**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:59:57 2010
May 17 03:01:05 <Bmyers_> u  use mac RagingMind
May 17 03:01:28 <sugardave> If I let my wife have a Pixi, I'd get her that app, because she can't ever remember how long we've been married
May 17 03:01:54 <JenP> LOL
May 17 03:02:05 <Bmyers_> how many wife can you register in that program?
May 17 03:02:08 <Bmyers_> s
May 17 03:02:16 <Bmyers_> ives
May 17 03:02:19 <sugardave> all of them
May 17 03:02:21 <JenP> when i was married i had our wedding durring thanksgiving holiday so it would be easy to remember
May 17 03:02:24 <Bmyers_> u know what i mea
May 17 03:02:24 <RagingMind> Bmyers_, I use one fairly often, but I don't own one
May 17 03:02:49 <Bmyers_> what do u use it for?
May 17 03:02:50 <sugardave> RagingMind: a wife, you mean?
May 17 03:02:56 <Bmyers_> dartboard?
May 17 03:03:01 <RagingMind> sugardave, a mac
May 17 03:03:02 <JenP> lol
May 17 03:03:05 <sugardave> HEH
May 17 03:03:17 <sugardave> ooo, caps-lock and everything
May 17 03:03:17 <RagingMind> I think my boyfriend would object if I had a wife
May 17 03:03:25 <sugardave> RagingMind: maybe not
May 17 03:03:33 <Bmyers_> try asking him
May 17 03:03:43 <Bmyers_> might be into it.
May 17 03:03:48 <Bmyers_> some sick guys like that
May 17 03:03:51 <Bmyers_> sick sick sick..
May 17 03:03:59 <JenP> uh huh
May 17 03:04:01 <sugardave> the pervs
May 17 03:04:04 <JenP> lol
May 17 03:04:25 <RagingMind> just FYI for some perspective.  I'm a guy
May 17 03:04:34 <JenP> lol we know
May 17 03:04:39 <JenP> i'm pretty much the only girl
May 17 03:04:47 <Bmyers_> you are?
May 17 03:04:55 <JenP> how about a super feminie guy?
May 17 03:05:01 <JenP> that could be your wife
May 17 03:05:09 <RagingMind> :(
May 17 03:05:20 <haeffb_pre> and were still not sure about JenP
May 17 03:05:30 * sugardave tries to put the genie back in.
May 17 03:05:37 <RagingMind> you'd be amazed at how much people will just overlook
May 17 03:05:41 <JenP> i want my wife to be all butched out...i can't haven't anyone stealing my lipstick
May 17 03:05:50 <sugardave> JenP: lol
May 17 03:06:03 <Bmyers_> you'd love arizona
May 17 03:06:22 <JenP> arizona = hot...JenP doesn't do hot weather
May 17 03:06:32 <sugardave> "but it's a dry heat"
May 17 03:06:47 <Bmyers_> you dont have to "do" anything. it's hot all on its own
May 17 03:06:48 <JenP> i don't care what you want to call it...it's still hot
May 17 03:06:55 <JenP> lol
May 17 03:07:03 <Bmyers_> cold blows..
May 17 03:07:09 <JenP> nope...i want cold. so i can wear real fur
May 17 03:07:09 <Bmyers_> dont have to shovel heat..
May 17 03:07:21 <oil> lol
May 17 03:07:23 <Bmyers_> i have my own fur
May 17 03:07:24 <sugardave> JenP: ANIMAL KILLER
May 17 03:07:54 <Bmyers_> gr is in 282nd place..
May 17 03:07:57 <RagingMind> JenP, what part of the world are you in?
May 17 03:08:02 <JenP> sugardave: I'm not an animal killer...I'm a true earth loving angel...i believe in the ULTIMATE recycling
May 17 03:08:12 <JenP> RagingMind: San Diego, CA
May 17 03:08:15 <sugardave> JenP: I know, I'm just messing with ya :P
May 17 03:08:26 <JenP> i know...(fl)
May 17 03:08:27 <sugardave> I don't care if people wear fur coats
May 17 03:08:48 <RagingMind> I prefer leather
May 17 03:08:49 <halfhalo> PIE
May 17 03:08:54 <JenP> i do...it always makes me want to rub them...
May 17 03:09:00 <sugardave> I love pie
May 17 03:09:01 <JenP> usually doesn't go over well
May 17 03:09:03 <sugardave> I need some pie
May 17 03:09:04 <Bmyers_> well, under the fur is leather..
May 17 03:09:09 <JenP> lol
May 17 03:09:15 <JenP> i want cookies
May 17 03:09:22 <RagingMind> cheesecake!
May 17 03:09:33 <haeffb_pre> pie?
May 17 03:09:34 <sugardave> I think I will have ice cream with some cherry Dr. Pepper syrup
May 17 03:09:36 * JenP gonna go turn oven on to make cookies
May 17 03:09:40 <sugardave> since I have no pie
May 17 03:10:42 <RagingMind> I had a thing of mountain dew syrup for a while... lost it in a move though
May 17 03:11:05 <Bmyers_> dew is nasty stuff
May 17 03:11:07 <JenP> mountain dew 'syrup' I didn't know they had that
May 17 03:11:13 <sugardave> what is the value/traedoff of doing initializations in the assistant creator/constructor function versus doing it all in .setup?
May 17 03:11:24 <RagingMind> JenP, the stuff that gets mixed at the soda fountains
May 17 03:11:34 <JenP> ah kkk
May 17 03:11:57 <sugardave> RagingMind: this isn't fountain syrup, it comes in a squeeze bottle like a dessert topping
May 17 03:12:04 <sugardave> and it's delicious
May 17 03:12:11 <RagingMind> ah... that's not nearly as fun
May 17 03:12:16 <haeffb_pre> this.controller not available yet in constructor...?
May 17 03:12:42 <sugardave> RagingMind: true, but it's just a short drive to Waco, TX to get a boatload of fountain syrup
May 17 03:13:15 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: other than that...since it's the case, WHY would you do anything in there that you wouldn't do in setup?
May 17 03:14:56 <haeffb_pre> private vars?
May 17 03:15:35 * haeffb_pre didn't know there would be a quiz
May 17 03:15:55 <sugardave> heh, I'm just trying to get back in the swing of things
May 17 03:20:24 <JenP> k guys i'll ttyl
May 17 03:20:26 <JenP> nite all
May 17 03:27:46 <haeffb> sugardave: Generally, all I do in the constructor is save refs to any parameters passed
May 17 03:44:44 <sugardave> haeffb: ah, that would be the answer
May 17 10:59:03 <warpdesign_> hello
May 17 11:07:25 <warpdesign_> what happens if I add an event listener to an object, and later remove the object from the DOM without removing the event listener first ?
May 17 12:11:47 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign_: The universe collapses on itself!
May 17 12:15:43 <warpdesign_> Roy-Pre101: arrgg! fortunately you told me ;)
May 17 12:16:05 <warpdesign_> I'm just asking if it's a resource hog or not..
May 17 12:29:03 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign_: I believe it won't get freed properly.
May 17 12:29:27 <Roy-Pre101> you will need to remove the listener before the node can be collected.
May 17 12:32:51 <warpdesign_> Roy-Pre101: ok
May 17 12:45:11 <rwhitby> any webOS 1.4.2 users here who are waiting for the availability of patches?
May 17 12:50:45 <Roy-Pre101> 1.4.2?
May 17 12:51:44 <bpadalino> att pre
May 17 12:53:06 <warpdesign_> hmm.. what's new in 1.4.2 ? :)
May 17 12:53:37 <Roy-Pre101> Ah, didn't realize it was running 1.4.2
May 17 12:54:56 <Roy-Pre101> Did you finally get the doctor, Rod?
May 17 12:55:00 <rwhitby> yep
May 17 12:55:05 <rwhitby> building patchesnow
May 17 12:55:31 <rwhitby> missed our 24 hour windows since release, but I was camping :)
May 17 12:57:53 <haeffb> gaaa...why is my EVDO so slow this morning?
May 17 14:08:34 <Bmyers_> 1.4.2?
May 17 14:39:21 <haeffb_pre> 1.4.2 is AT&T specific with no other changes to the core webOS, as I understand it...
May 17 15:05:50 <Bmyers_> ah, thanks haeffb_pre
May 17 16:34:43 <Nyceane> ello
May 17 16:34:54 <Nyceane> i m almost there!
May 17 16:40:40 <HattCzech> is there a way to use a function in a page when using elements from an object (#{object})?
May 17 16:45:44 <haeffb_pre> formatters
May 17 17:09:22 <haeffb_pre> #{objectFormatted}
May 17 17:31:36 <BeerSerc> Hi there. Is there a way to force the update 1.4.0 to 1.4.1? My problem is the following, I have an O2 Germany Pre, but I live in Switzerland. Does'nt matter if I put an O2 sim or my swisscom sim into the pre, Updates reports, my webos is latest version, 1.4.0.
May 17 17:41:00 <phil_bw> BeerSerc, I don't have an answer for ya but I have a feeling that someone in #webos-internals may have an idea
May 17 17:41:34 <BeerSerc> phil_bw: thx, will try
May 17 17:44:59 <HattCzech> haeffb_pre: could you give me a bit more detail (or a reference)? that sounds exactly like what i need...
May 17 17:53:34 <swisstomcat> evening
May 17 17:55:29 <warpdesign> how can I easily call (open) a browser from withing my app ?
May 17 17:56:43 <MetaView> service request
May 17 17:56:49 <MetaView> look in the docs
May 17 17:56:54 <warpdesign> ok, thanks
May 17 17:58:00 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 17 17:58:52 <swisstomcat> wohoo, my second app is in the app catalog: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory
May 17 17:59:51 <HattCzech> should i make my app com.hattczech.app.appname or just com.hattczech.appname ?
May 17 18:00:26 <warpdesign> hey swisstomcat !
May 17 18:01:00 <swisstomcat> hattczech: whatever you like
May 17 18:01:25 <swisstomcat> i don't use .app.appname, just appname (and appname.beta for the beta)
May 17 18:01:34 <HattCzech> is there a standard? i had it as just appname, but saw that palm recommended app.appname
May 17 18:01:55 <swisstomcat> there is not standard as far as i know
May 17 18:01:58 <HattCzech> but what else would it be if not an app? and it would still have a unique name
May 17 18:02:12 <HattCzech> okay, i'll stick with appname only, then
May 17 18:02:40 <swisstomcat> as long as it's unique and you're not using a used domain name you should be fine
May 17 18:03:39 <HattCzech> okay, cool
May 17 18:04:15 <warpdesign> anyone with a pix or pre willing to test a little game ?
May 17 18:10:28 <warpdesign> ok, no one :)
May 17 18:10:38 <Nyceane> warpdesign, you dont have a pre or pixi either? lol
May 17 18:10:42 <Nyceane> i thought i m the only one
May 17 18:10:48 <warpdesign> Nyceane: no
May 17 18:11:00 <warpdesign> Nyceane: I wouldn't be asking if it was the case ;)
May 17 18:11:40 <Nyceane> lol
May 17 18:11:55 <Nyceane> i m trying to win the competition just so i can buy myself a palm =_=
May 17 18:12:03 <Nyceane> i already bought an android
May 17 18:12:17 <Nyceane> and got stuck with their 2 year contract +_+
May 17 18:12:50 <swisstomcat> it's chuqui .. hide the puppies!
May 17 18:13:02 <Nyceane> bow to chuqui
May 17 18:14:28 <chuqui> morning
May 17 18:14:31 <chuqui> and afternoon.
May 17 18:14:33 <Nyceane> morning to you chuqui
May 17 18:14:35 <HattCzech> oh cool, i'm guessing this is the same chuqui that allowed me early access?
May 17 18:14:38 <chuqui> and evening,
May 17 18:14:43 <Nyceane> thanks for all the hard work on removing reviews
May 17 18:14:58 <Nyceane> chuqui, is it possible to remove all the 0 start reviews for all the apps?
May 17 18:15:11 <swisstomcat> which would not have been necessary if a bug was fixed ;)
May 17 18:15:19 <chuqui> I've done one pass through. Will doanother pass later. We'll see.
May 17 18:15:37 <Nyceane> I just dont believe its fair to have 0 star ratings 0_o
May 17 18:15:57 <swisstomcat> "report a problem" in the app catalog leaves an anonymous 0 star review instead of notifiying the developer or palm about the problem :(
May 17 18:16:06 <HattCzech> chuqui: would you be able to answer a question about the contacts crud? or would that not be your area?
May 17 18:16:23 <chuqui> if it's really simple and you use small words? maybe.
May 17 18:16:27 <HattCzech> haha
May 17 18:16:33 <Nyceane> i mean, during the weekend, bunch of people couldnt download,  i was hammered on my new app by the 0 star reviews =-(
May 17 18:16:49 <HattCzech> i'm wondering why i can't use the contacts crud to get user information based on their id?
May 17 18:17:06 <chuqui> nyceane: I know. I was there... I've alreday moved a bunch of reviews. I plan on doing a second pass later
May 17 18:17:20 <Nyceane> chuqui, thank you so much
May 17 18:17:27 <Nyceane> chuqui, you are the man!
May 17 18:18:26 <HattCzech> i'm thinking it has something to do with accounts?
May 17 18:25:59 <HattCzech> so for some background info... i use the contacts picker to select a contact and store the id... the contact is changed or updated... and i try to pull the information based on the stored id... and it fails and tells me the contact doesn't exist
May 17 18:47:02 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui_napping: Hope you're recovering from the weekend
May 17 18:48:03 <swisstomcat> hi roy-pre101
May 17 18:48:16 <swisstomcat> animalmemory has been released: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory
May 17 18:48:29 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Great!
May 17 18:49:02 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui_napping: When you're back, do you know if there are already images of all the different widgets?  I want to put up images on webos101.com
May 17 18:50:28 <chuqui_napping> roy-pre101 I don't think so, no
May 17 18:51:43 <Roy-Pre101> OK, thanks
May 17 18:51:58 <Roy-Pre101> trying to con someone else into doing the captures...
May 17 18:52:21 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: Do you have the style matters app installed? :)
May 17 18:52:58 <HattCzech> i don't believe so
May 17 18:53:54 <HattCzech> Roy-Pre101: why do you ask/
May 17 18:54:28 <Roy-Pre101> Just trying to find someone who can do screen captures of the various widgets for upload to the documentation on webos101.com
May 17 18:55:09 <HattCzech> ah okay
May 17 18:56:41 <VincentLaw> Roy-Pre101: I do
May 17 18:57:28 <Roy-Pre101> VincentLaw: Could you be talked into taking some screen captures and cutting out the various widgets listed here:  http://webos101.com/Widgets ?
May 17 18:58:38 <VincentLaw> cutting out?
May 17 19:01:41 <VincentLaw> I don't think I'd be willing to go in and photoshop these images, but I wouldn't mind sending you a zip of the screenshots
May 17 19:04:17 <Nyceane> question, am I allowed to use celeberties?
May 17 19:04:23 <Nyceane> I mean, are they copyrighted?
May 17 19:04:25 <Nyceane> like michael jordan
May 17 19:04:46 <Nyceane> I am trying to make a NBA Profiles and stats, I am just wondering if I am allowed to use it
May 17 19:05:58 <Nyceane> can I use the name Michael Jordan in my app name?
May 17 19:09:01 <HattCzech> his name isn't copyrighted, so i'd think so
May 17 19:10:52 <Roy-Pre101> He's a public figure.
May 17 19:11:02 <Roy-Pre101> VincentLaw: I just meant crop the images.
May 17 19:11:09 <Roy-Pre101> So it's not a full shot of the app.
May 17 19:11:17 <Roy-Pre101> Just the widget in question
May 17 19:12:08 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, probably the easiest way is on the emulator, screen capture just the widget (if you're on a mac it's easy.  With PC you probably have to use a screen capture tool...)
May 17 19:16:39 <VincentLaw> Roy-Pre101: I have it installed on my pre actually
May 17 19:18:04 <Roy-Pre101> Any help is appreciated.
May 17 19:22:56 <Roy-Pre101> Pretty brilliant!  http://www.gizmag.com/steve-durnin-ddrive-d-drive-infinitely-variable-transmission-geared/15088/
May 17 19:24:42 <Roy-Pre101> although, not quite as brilliant as the report first claims
May 17 19:30:00 <PuffTheMagic> any Ares users here?
May 17 19:34:20 <Roy-Pre101> PuffTheMagic: I use it
May 17 19:36:17 <PuffTheMagic> Roy-Pre101: i cant seem to use this.controller.get() with ares
May 17 19:36:32 <Roy-Pre101> What are you trying to do?
May 17 19:36:52 <PuffTheMagic> change the state of a toggle button
May 17 19:37:04 <PuffTheMagic> from a service callback
May 17 19:37:08 <PuffTheMagic> OnSuccess method
May 17 19:37:28 <Roy-Pre101> Two things you could do:
May 17 19:37:38 <Roy-Pre101> Assign a name to the toggle button model
May 17 19:39:16 <Roy-Pre101> Or, use this.$.<togglebutton name>.(something here I don't know what for toggle button)
May 17 19:40:46 <HattCzech> what's the heirarchy of css styles? if i do "title left" does left override title or vice versa?
May 17 19:40:48 <Roy-Pre101> Might even work with this.$.toggleButton1.model.value = false;  Not sure
May 17 19:41:30 <PuffTheMagic> i gave it a name
May 17 19:41:34 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: Good question!  I believe it's the style that is most tightly bound.
May 17 19:41:48 <Roy-Pre101> PuffTheMagic: After that, you just call the modelChanged(this.modelName)
May 17 19:42:29 <HattCzech> well an issue just popped up with a list of mine (the spacing is off now) and i don't remember changing the html of it
May 17 19:43:06 <HattCzech> there's extra padding between the checkbox on the left and the text
May 17 19:44:01 <PuffTheMagic> this.$.owc_toggle.model.value = payload.onWhenConnected;
May 17 19:44:01 <PuffTheMagic> 		modelChanged(this.$.owc_toggle_model);
May 17 19:44:03 <PuffTheMagic> liek that?
May 17 19:47:48 <Roy-Pre101> um...
May 17 19:48:12 <Roy-Pre101> Did you mean this.owc_toggle_model ?
May 17 19:48:27 <Roy-Pre101> And for the assigned model name you don't need the .$
May 17 19:48:53 <Roy-Pre101> this.owc_toggle_model.value = x;
May 17 19:49:01 <joetweeply> PuffTheMagic: when in ares you can give a widget a model name
May 17 19:49:04 <Roy-Pre101> this.controller.modelChanged(this.owc_toggle_model)
May 17 19:49:13 <PuffTheMagic> joetweeply: i did that too
May 17 19:49:24 <PuffTheMagic> it fails before the modelChanged part though
May 17 19:50:03 <Roy-Pre101> ToggleButton added to webOS101.com
May 17 19:50:37 <joetweeply> any logging output?
May 17 19:51:53 <PuffTheMagic> i cant seem to set the value still
May 17 19:53:52 <PuffTheMagic> this.owc_toggle.model.value = payload.onWhenConnected;
May 17 19:53:54 <PuffTheMagic> does not work
May 17 19:54:28 <joetweeply> no no
May 17 19:54:33 <zigulle> hi
May 17 19:54:34 <joetweeply> in ares you set the modelName
May 17 19:54:40 <joetweeply> so it's "modelName"
May 17 19:54:52 <joetweeply> in the assistant you use : this.modelName.value = .... whatever
May 17 19:56:31 <zigulle> does anyone knows, where the ipkg database for apps ist located on the pre
May 17 19:57:44 <Roy-Pre101> itls owc_toggle_model (if that was the name)
May 17 19:57:55 <Roy-Pre101> It's
May 17 19:58:12 <swisstomcat> zigulle: i'd ask on #webos-internals
May 17 19:58:28 <HattCzech> they don't have a list to the ipks, though
May 17 19:58:42 <HattCzech> list=link*
May 17 19:58:49 <zigulle> swisstomcat: thanx, will do so
May 17 19:59:57 <PuffTheMagic> this.modelName.value = is not working
May 17 20:00:14 <PuffTheMagic> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'value' of object
May 17 20:01:06 <joetweeply> maybe it does not have a value...
May 17 20:03:05 <Roy-Pre101> PuffTheMagic: What did you put in the modelName field?
May 17 20:03:15 <oil> lol
May 17 20:03:20 <PuffTheMagic> owc_toggle_model
May 17 20:03:25 <PuffTheMagic> oil: shutup
May 17 20:03:36 <Roy-Pre101> then please do it how I said to do it twice before.
May 17 20:03:36 * oil can't help it
May 17 20:03:46 <PuffTheMagic> Roy-Pre101: I have i believe
May 17 20:03:59 <Roy-Pre101> this.owc_toggle_model.value = xxx?
May 17 20:04:04 <PuffTheMagic> 		this.owc_toggle_model.value = payload.onWhenConnected;
May 17 20:04:04 <PuffTheMagic> 		this.controller.modelChanged(this.owc_toggle_model);
May 17 20:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> 		this.owc_toggle_model.value = payload.onWhenConnected;
May 17 20:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> 		this.controller.modelChanged(this.owc_toggle_model);
May 17 20:04:50 <PuffTheMagic> oops
May 17 20:05:01 <PuffTheMagic> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'value' of object
May 17 20:05:51 <joetweeply> what kind of widget is this owc_toggle_model?
May 17 20:05:58 <PuffTheMagic> togglebutton
May 17 20:05:59 * oil assumes toggle
May 17 20:06:28 <Roy-Pre101> PuffTheMagic: Something else is going on.
May 17 20:07:20 <Roy-Pre101> PuffTheMagic: Try creating a new project with just a toggle button.
May 17 20:07:37 <oil> lol
May 17 20:07:39 <Roy-Pre101> wait a second...  Where are you calling this from?
May 17 20:07:45 <PuffTheMagic> Roy-Pre101: all this app has is a toggle button
May 17 20:08:06 * oil checks to make sure this channel is being logged before going back to work :)
May 17 20:09:38 <HattCzech> does the emulator not have special characters for localization?
May 17 20:09:38 <MetaView> strange error msg
May 17 20:10:17 <HattCzech> like the ~n for spanish?
May 17 20:10:39 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: It does have them.
May 17 20:10:40 <sugardave> oil: it is logged
May 17 20:10:45 <HattCzech> my emulator has blocks for those special characters...
May 17 20:10:56 <HattCzech> do i need to install the language for my computer or something?
May 17 20:10:59 <pivotalcog> Emulator does localization, if the region / language is selected.
May 17 20:11:09 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: Your file probably doesn't have the UTF flag.
May 17 20:11:10 <pivotalcog> No, you don't need to install a language pack.
May 17 20:11:12 * sugardave wonders if any bash.org worthy things may be found in the log.
May 17 20:11:15 <oil> sugardave: good :)
May 17 20:11:33 <HattCzech> ahhhh, and where would i set that flag?
May 17 20:11:34 <pivotalcog> Yeah, you need to set the character encoding to UTF-8 in your IDE
May 17 20:11:42 <pivotalcog> For the affected files.
May 17 20:12:27 <HattCzech> western european... wtf? i didn't set that
May 17 20:12:37 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: That's default.
May 17 20:12:46 <Roy-Pre101> (depending on your OS)
May 17 20:12:54 <pivotalcog> If you aren't using an IDE, then however your text editor encodes a file to UTF-8.
May 17 20:12:57 <HattCzech> okay, i'll try it now
May 17 20:13:03 <HattCzech> komodo edit
May 17 20:13:06 <HattCzech> is what i'm using
May 17 20:13:25 <pivotalcog> I'm an Eclipse person, so....
May 17 20:13:25 <HattCzech> and like magic, that works
May 17 20:13:27 <HattCzech> thanks
May 17 20:13:39 <HattCzech> i tried eclipse, but komodo was just so much easier
May 17 20:13:49 <HattCzech> (and i had used eclipse before)
May 17 20:14:40 <HattCzech> should i convert all my files to UTF-8?
May 17 20:14:58 <pivotalcog> I'm glad I could help. Never tried Komono, but looks interesting. Re: UTF-8, only the ones with special characters....
May 17 20:15:16 <pivotalcog> At least that's what we're doing (the strings.json files for non-English locales).
May 17 20:16:31 <HattCzech> okay, i'll do that
May 17 20:16:35 <HattCzech> thanks for the help
May 17 20:16:46 <pivotalcog> For sure.
May 17 20:17:32 <HattCzech> syntax question... is it "Copyright (c) 2010, HattCzech" or "(c) Copyright 2010, HattCzech" or either?
May 17 20:19:00 <Solix> you don't need the/both.. (c) or copyright, but you can use both or either.. google DCMA
May 17 20:19:06 <Roy-Pre101> The first
May 17 20:19:56 <pivotalcog> http://www.benedict.com/info/Law/Notice.aspx (copyright notice example)
May 17 20:20:19 <pivotalcog> Full blown reference from USPTO (PDF): http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.pdf
May 17 20:20:53 <pivotalcog> US Copyright Office, rather. Apparently there was a reorg.
May 17 20:22:09 <HattCzech> so either the "Copyright (c) 2010..." or "(c) 2010..."
May 17 20:22:27 <swisstomcat> i'm using the first
May 17 20:22:37 <HattCzech> i think it looks better like that
May 17 20:26:09 <PrimerFender> 	hello, anyone familiar with Mojo? I have been trying (and failing) to read the value of an IntegerPicker widget :-/
May 17 20:27:03 <swisstomcat> can you show some code, primerfender?
May 17 20:30:04 <HattCzech> should i localize my app title in the page header?
May 17 20:30:52 <PrimerFender> var gradeValue = this.controller.get("integerPickerGrade").value;
May 17 20:31:33 <swisstomcat> hattczech: probably not
May 17 20:31:43 <PrimerFender> I just want to throw it in a variable and show it in an errorDialog just to see that i am getting the right number, but I can't seem to figure out the "right" way to access the value
May 17 20:31:50 <swisstomcat> primerfender: you have to reference the interpicker's model
May 17 20:32:08 <swisstomcat> can you post the setup-code of the integerpicker?
May 17 20:32:10 <pivotalcog> HattCzech, which header? We're using the appinfo.json files in the resource folders.
May 17 20:32:35 <PrimerFender> BTW, I'm in Ares...
May 17 20:32:53 <pivotalcog> HattCzech: There's a title property in the appinfo.json file. It can be localized, if need be.
May 17 20:32:57 <HattCzech> yeah, so am i... the title in the appinfo will remain the same
May 17 20:33:12 <HattCzech> but the palm-page-header title i was considering localizing
May 17 20:33:20 <pivotalcog> Ah.
May 17 20:33:22 <PrimerFender> the modelName I have specified is modelIntegerPickerGrade and I have tried the above code replacing "integerPickerGrade" with the modelname
May 17 20:33:31 <pivotalcog> I would say it's up to you, in that case.
May 17 20:33:52 <pivotalcog> But wouldn't you want it to match what's in the appinfo file?
May 17 20:34:04 <HattCzech> and i don't suppose the appinfo files inherit the base appinfo?
May 17 20:34:35 <HattCzech> the app name will match (where the carrier string is), so the header could be localized for asthetic purposes
May 17 20:34:41 <swisstomcat> primerfender: not sure about ares, but it might be this.modelIntegerPickerGrade.value
May 17 20:34:46 <HattCzech> aesthetic*
May 17 20:34:58 <pivotalcog> Never tried. I do know that if a resource isn't present for a given locale, it will default back to the base file.
May 17 20:35:24 <pivotalcog> Not sure if it's "all or nothing" with the appinfo.json files.
May 17 20:37:09 <HattCzech> sweet, looks like the appinfo inherits the original... so you don't need title, vendor, etc (unless it varies)
May 17 20:37:12 <HattCzech> icon, main, and other things might need to change, though
May 17 20:37:54 <HattCzech> hmmm, wait a second
May 17 20:38:18 <HattCzech> no, seems to work
May 17 20:38:34 <HattCzech> although i'm confused on how the icon is working :/
May 17 20:38:38 <PrimerFender> swisstomcat: holy crap thank you, that was it: var gradeValue = this.modelIntegerPickerGrade.value;
May 17 20:39:40 <HattCzech> hmmm, i won't test that theory quite yet
May 17 20:39:51 <HattCzech> cuz the log is telling me i'm still en_us
May 17 20:39:55 <HattCzech> not es_us
May 17 20:43:51 <PrimerFender> is it becauase the model is actually outside the scope of the controller? and I should stop thinking in an OO world where objects contain data and functions on data, at least as it pertains in this case?
May 17 20:44:17 <Roy-Pre101> The object does contain the model, but not like that.
May 17 20:44:26 <Roy-Pre101> In ares you don't use this.controler.get() either.
May 17 20:44:34 <Roy-Pre101> You use this.$.<object name>
May 17 20:44:50 <Roy-Pre101> I think you can use this.$.myObject.model to get the model but I didn't test this theory.
May 17 20:44:59 <PrimerFender> I will try
May 17 20:45:25 <pivotalcog> HattCzech, what you say about the localization of the appinfo.json is correct. It just takes from the default if a localized version isn't present.
May 17 20:45:41 <HattCzech> but what about the icons?
May 17 20:45:56 <HattCzech> i didn't supply a path for the localized version, but it still worked...
May 17 20:46:04 <HattCzech> oh, wait... let me check that again
May 17 20:46:10 <pivotalcog> Are they different icons?
May 17 20:46:18 <pivotalcog> Otherwise, it will just pick up the base version.
May 17 20:50:21 <HattCzech> well, the location won't be correct
May 17 20:50:24 <HattCzech> it will be the same icon
May 17 20:50:38 <HattCzech> but i'm referencing an icon that doesn't exist
May 17 20:50:44 <HattCzech> but it's still working :/
May 17 20:50:49 <swisstomcat> hattczech: i usually just use a strings.json in the resources/lang directory. did not translate an appinfo.json yet
May 17 20:51:09 <HattCzech> okay, so sounds like it does inherit
May 17 20:51:24 <swisstomcat> it just uses the base version if a localized version doesn't exist
May 17 20:52:45 <HattCzech> now i just need me some icons and i can submit this mofo
May 17 20:53:05 <pivotalcog> So, swiss, we were attempting to determine if the localized version of an appinfo.json will "inherit" properties from the base version? That is, if there's a property in the base version and not in the localized version, will the localized version that the properties form the base version?
May 17 20:53:25 <swisstomcat> i think so
May 17 20:53:35 <swisstomcat> because i've never used a localized appinfo.json
May 17 20:53:41 <swisstomcat> and everything worked
May 17 20:54:05 <pivotalcog> Well, that's the question, actually, if there's also a localized appinfo.json file and a base one....
May 17 20:54:08 <HattCzech> hmmm, my keywords don't want to work
May 17 20:54:20 <HattCzech> that's the only thing i tried to localize
May 17 20:54:24 <swisstomcat> ah, i see the question
May 17 20:54:32 <pivotalcog> Will the localized version interpolate the "missing" properties from the base version.
May 17 20:54:34 <pivotalcog> ?
May 17 20:54:40 <swisstomcat> example?
May 17 20:55:41 <pivotalcog> Well, say the "support" property doesn't exist in the es_us appinfo.json file but does in the main appinfo.json file.
May 17 20:56:22 <pivotalcog> Will the app take what's in the main file or the localized one? I've never tried it. Easy enough to test, if I weren't otherwise occupied....
May 17 20:56:36 <swisstomcat> good question
May 17 20:56:55 <swisstomcat> i'm off
May 17 20:56:57 <swisstomcat> good night
May 17 20:58:03 <HattCzech> i just tried... it appears to take the base appinfo data
May 17 20:58:13 <HattCzech> let me try all fields and see if that changes
May 17 21:00:43 <HattCzech> hmmm, maybe it's the way i call the variable?
May 17 21:00:50 <HattCzech> title worked
May 17 21:00:58 <HattCzech> but vendor didn't
May 17 21:01:31 <PrimerFender> Roy-Pre101: this worked, var gradeValue = this.$.integerPickerGrade.value;
May 17 21:01:50 <Roy-Pre101> Intriguing.
May 17 21:01:58 <PrimerFender> which is the name in the valuePropertyName  I have specifid for the picker in Ares
May 17 21:02:25 <PrimerFender> so it looks to me like valuePropertyName is bound to the value value in the model and is referenced by the name value.
May 17 21:02:28 <Roy-Pre101> Ares provides a number of shortcuts.
May 17 21:02:34 <pivotalcog> HattCzech, Interesting.... <eyebrow goes up>
May 17 21:02:48 <PrimerFender> I will try to change the name of the value to something other than value and see if I get the correct value
May 17 21:03:15 <Roy-Pre101> That will be interesting to know.
May 17 21:04:06 <Roy-Pre101> I bet you could set the value name to 'node' and all hell would break loose.  Also, I'd be curious to know if you can set it and call modelChanged on this.$.integerPickerGrade
May 17 21:04:16 <PrimerFender> nevermind, changing valuePropertyVale from value to doubleCouponValue and referencing it did not work
May 17 21:07:24 <HattCzech> ohhh, this is really interesting
May 17 21:07:39 <PrimerFender> I am confusing myself now :-D leaving the modelName property in Ares blank means I can do var gradeValue = this.$.integerPickerGrade.model.value;
May 17 21:08:16 <pivotalcog> Do share, HattCzech....
May 17 21:08:28 <PrimerFender> but, if I specify a modelName such as modelIntPick, then both the above AND var gradeValue = this.$.integerPickerGrade.modelIntPick.value; does not work
May 17 21:08:48 <HattCzech> i have title set to "TXT Group" in the main appinfo... and "TXT Grupo" in the es localized one...
May 17 21:09:07 <Roy-Pre101> PrimerFender: Interesting stuff.
May 17 21:09:28 <Roy-Pre101> Can you add something to webos101.com regarding accessing the model properties on Ares?  We get that a lot
May 17 21:09:29 <HattCzech> using Mojo.appInfo.title gives me "TXT Group" in the palm page header... but the app title is "TXT Grupo" (carrier string area)
May 17 21:09:35 <Roy-Pre101> There's an ares section somewhere.
May 17 21:09:37 <oilsworkn> lets be honest, TXT Grupo should be in the main one
May 17 21:09:57 <HattCzech> hahaha
May 17 21:10:08 <HattCzech> for spanish, yes :)
May 17 21:10:29 <oilsworkn> no, for english
May 17 21:10:32 <oilsworkn> its a much better name
May 17 21:10:45 <Tibfib> +!
May 17 21:10:50 <Tibfib> ...+1
May 17 21:11:07 <pivotalcog> HattCzech, apparently, that's a known thing: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=63666b0b6c0c4aefebd9981fcced1fd8&lastaction=logout&f=80&t=4810
May 17 21:11:44 <HattCzech> neither is vendor
May 17 21:11:49 <oilsworkn> "Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:52 am" 0 replys
May 17 21:11:54 <HattCzech> but how would you localize it?
May 17 21:12:04 <oilsworkn> that about sums up my experience with posting on palms official forums
May 17 21:12:08 <HattCzech> hahaha
May 17 21:12:23 <HattCzech> yeah, i asked chuq a question earlier... no response :/
May 17 21:12:34 <HattCzech> (he was in the channel)
May 17 21:12:37 <pivotalcog> strings.json.
May 17 21:12:42 <PrimerFender> Roy-Pre101: I will be glad to :-)
May 17 21:12:42 <pivotalcog> Is how you localize it.
May 17 21:12:56 <Roy-Pre101> PrimerFender: thanks!
May 17 21:12:57 <pivotalcog> $L(Mojo.appInfo.title)
May 17 21:13:13 <oilsworkn> yeah, $L
May 17 21:13:14 <pivotalcog> Granted, it's a workaround.
May 17 21:13:15 <HattCzech> that's retarded... what's the point of the localized appinfo then?
May 17 21:13:19 <HattCzech> (tried that, didn't work)
May 17 21:13:26 <oilsworkn> (thats how we do it in prewares)
May 17 21:13:47 <pivotalcog> Point of appinfo is for the email and url help options, mostly, for us.
May 17 21:14:07 <HattCzech> yeah, i'm using it my help view
May 17 21:14:41 <pivotalcog> The other is the copyright notices, etc, etc.
May 17 21:15:39 <HattCzech> yeah, where can i get a blurb about the "as is" stuff to put at the bottom?
May 17 21:16:19 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: I don't think there's a good localization section on webos101.com
May 17 21:16:53 <oilsworkn> lol
May 17 21:17:04 <HattCzech> hehehe, i'm guessing you'd like me to put something up there? :)
May 17 21:17:21 <BigBiff> afternoon all
May 17 21:17:44 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech: Oh, you could?  Great!  ;)
May 17 21:17:55 <Tibfib> lol
May 17 21:17:55 <oilsworkn> i never take time to even comment my code, little own post about it somewhere
May 17 21:18:06 <Roy-Pre101> little own?
May 17 21:18:15 <Roy-Pre101> let alone?
May 17 21:18:25 <oilsworkn> let alone
May 17 21:18:30 <oilsworkn> thats it
May 17 21:18:34 <Tibfib> HAH!
May 17 21:18:50 <joetweeply> damn this stupid code narf
May 17 21:18:52 <oilsworkn> nor can i type, obviously
May 17 21:18:55 <HattCzech> i don't have time right now, but i will try to put it up soon
May 17 21:19:12 <BigBiff> question - is it possible to have multiple filterlists in a scene  - like placed in drawers
May 17 21:19:34 <oilsworkn> that would be crazy
May 17 21:19:46 <BigBiff> well i've got multiple lists
May 17 21:19:52 <BigBiff> collapsible
May 17 21:20:05 <BigBiff> not sure how the filterlist works with that
May 17 21:20:08 <oilsworkn> i tried to use a filterlist once, i could never get it to work as i wanted it, and ended up recreating it with a normal list and a textfield
May 17 21:20:31 <BigBiff> so just use a filterfield would work better, then ya think?
May 17 21:20:45 <oilsworkn> which you could do, have the one text field filter the multiple lists
May 17 21:20:50 <HattCzech> okay, so here's (part of) the answer
May 17 21:20:58 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com/FilterList
May 17 21:21:08 <HattCzech> i think that the localized appinfo won't work unless you have all required fields
May 17 21:21:19 <HattCzech> so it does NOT inherit from the original appinfo
May 17 21:21:27 <BigBiff> i've got a filterlist working in a practice app
May 17 21:21:32 <HattCzech> it just uses the base appinfo
May 17 21:21:52 <BigBiff> just not with my multiple collapsible lists
May 17 21:21:55 * oilsworkn sticks with his own filtering :)
May 17 21:22:08 <oilsworkn> works good enough for preware
May 17 21:22:41 * BigBiff looking at preware
May 17 21:22:56 <oilsworkn> BigBiff: the pkg-list scene specifically
May 17 21:23:07 <BigBiff> ya - checkin it out now
May 17 21:23:55 <BigBiff> widget that seems like alot of work - progress pill
May 17 21:24:10 <warpdesign> I need some pre owners to test a little game
May 17 21:24:20 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign: I'll test
May 17 21:24:28 <warpdesign> great !
May 17 21:24:38 <warpdesign> Roy-Pre101: do you have a pre or a pixi ?
May 17 21:24:47 <BigBiff> oil - is that a filterlist or just a filterfield?
May 17 21:25:55 <BigBiff> i like the way that it takes over the the upper header - never noticed that
May 17 21:25:57 <joetweeply> see it just needs one nervous breakdown to work again
May 17 21:25:58 <BigBiff> snazzy
May 17 21:26:14 <oilsworkn> its a text field
May 17 21:26:15 <oilsworkn> and a list
May 17 21:26:32 <oilsworkn> i think im basically doing everything those other widgets do, but manually
May 17 21:26:49 <oilsworkn> because those other widgets didn't want to play nice
May 17 21:27:15 <BigBiff> i got the filterlist working, but i must say, i dont understand it - the items arent setup initially.....weird
May 17 21:27:24 <Nyceane> my app's rating is still 0.5 =-|
May 17 21:27:35 <Nyceane> most of them complaining about not loading on saturday
May 17 21:27:46 <HattCzech> Nyceane: looks like chuq didn't help much, huh?
May 17 21:28:09 <HattCzech> (i'm only irritated because he didn't answer my question, or try)
May 17 21:28:52 <HattCzech> oil, have you thought about doing any compression on the js side for speed improvements?
May 17 21:29:04 <HattCzech> (if there are any speed improvements)
May 17 21:29:16 <oilsworkn> no
May 17 21:29:34 <oilsworkn> you leave my whitespace out of it!
May 17 21:29:56 <HattCzech> hahahaha, i'm just wondering if it would speed things up on webos?
May 17 21:30:03 <HattCzech> (i'm considering doing it for mine)
May 17 21:30:10 <oilsworkn> idk
May 17 21:30:39 <Roy-Pre101> warpdesign: Pre
May 17 21:31:15 <BigBiff> ok, so back to the question, slightly modified
May 17 21:31:32 <BigBiff> would multiple filter fields in a scene be dumb?
May 17 21:31:42 <oilsworkn> lol
May 17 21:32:04 <BigBiff> and - how would they work with collapsed lists?
May 17 21:32:21 <BigBiff> or how would one work? - i havent seen that before
May 17 21:33:33 <BigBiff> this sounds like a couple hours of work for something i probably wont like
May 17 21:33:34 <oilsworkn> like i said, i could never get filter stuff to work, so im not much help with that question
May 17 21:33:44 <warpdesign> ok
May 17 21:33:46 <warpdesign> cool
May 17 21:33:52 <warpdesign> let me remove some debug and pack it..
May 17 21:33:53 <BigBiff> you know, what's so hard about scrolling?
May 17 21:34:09 <BigBiff> so it takes .0004 seconds longer
May 17 21:34:41 <BigBiff> will i get sued for causing arthritis?
May 17 21:34:51 <HattCzech> yes, yes you will
May 17 21:34:52 <HattCzech> :)
May 17 21:35:10 <BigBiff> cool - then my home remedy app will get some play
May 17 21:35:28 <BigBiff> oh wait, i dont have a home remedy app
May 17 21:35:32 <BigBiff> crap
May 17 21:38:39 <HattCzech> does anyone have a software license clause i could throw at the bottom of my app?
May 17 21:38:50 <HattCzech> "this software is provided as is... blah blah"
May 17 21:39:13 <oilsworkn> lol
May 17 21:39:17 <oilsworkn> looks good to me
May 17 21:39:59 <HattCzech> lol
May 17 21:42:35 <PrimerFender> ok, now how come I can't do the same thing for a textfield? this.$.textFieldName.value; does not work. Seems inconsistent
May 17 21:43:22 <oilsworkn> this.$?
May 17 21:43:26 <oilsworkn> thats ares magics?
May 17 21:43:42 <PrimerFender> apparently
May 17 21:44:02 <Roy-Pre101> oilsworkn: yes
May 17 21:44:05 <PrimerFender> i don't know what this OR $ refers too, but it worked for the intPicker lol
May 17 21:45:19 <Roy-Pre101> PrimerFender: I believe that it's a different field for text
May 17 21:45:30 <HattCzech> $ is usually jquery stuff
May 17 21:46:02 <HattCzech> which i liked being able to do at first
May 17 21:46:14 <oilsworkn> ares has jquery?
May 17 21:46:15 <HattCzech> made things smaller
May 17 21:46:33 <HattCzech> well the $('object') style is jquery
May 17 21:46:37 <HattCzech> i don't know if ares has it
May 17 21:46:45 <oilsworkn> prototype also has $ function
May 17 21:46:47 <sugardave> it's still prototype, huh?
May 17 21:46:57 <Roy-Pre101> yeah, but this.$ is different.
May 17 21:47:00 <HattCzech> maybe that's prototype then
May 17 21:47:01 <sugardave> yeah
May 17 21:47:02 <oilsworkn> obviously
May 17 21:47:04 <HattCzech> yeah
May 17 21:47:11 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, textField is a 'value' so surprised it doesn't work the same.
May 17 21:47:18 <HattCzech> let me rephrase that, then...
May 17 21:47:38 <HattCzech> the $('object') style is USED in jquery... it could be something else entirely
May 17 21:48:24 <oilsworkn> http://api.prototypejs.org/dom/dollar/
May 17 21:49:14 * sugardave waits for the hummingbird water to boil.
May 17 21:49:59 <oilsworkn> hummingbird water?
May 17 21:50:12 <sugardave> well, hummingbird feeder "juice"
May 17 21:50:15 <sugardave> sugar water
May 17 21:50:29 <sugardave> wife has been on me to put up the feeder
May 17 21:50:33 <sugardave> then she couldn't find it
May 17 21:50:38 <sugardave> so now we have a new one
May 17 21:50:47 <sugardave> that means we'll find the old one tomorrow
May 17 21:51:02 <oilsworkn> then you'll have two
May 17 21:51:14 <sugardave> that's right~
May 17 21:51:54 <pandora--> sooooooo I just saw "Mobile Hotspot by Palm,Inc" in the appstore on my Sprint Pre
May 17 21:51:58 <pandora--> anyone else?
May 17 21:52:22 <oilsworkn> if you install the leaked version, you get updates through the catalog
May 17 21:52:28 <sugardave> haha
May 17 21:52:32 <sugardave> awesome
May 17 21:52:32 <pandora--> I tapped it very happily, then it told me "This is not available for your carrier" and it wouldn't let me do anything else. so I restarted the appstore
May 17 21:52:35 <pandora--> now it's not there!
May 17 21:52:51 <pandora--> oilsworkn: nah I have commercial stock build on my Pre
May 17 21:53:06 <pandora--> crazy, it was there long enough for me to get all excited that I finally get it on sprint
May 17 21:53:14 <pandora--> then *poof* no longer in appstore!
May 17 21:53:16 <pandora--> nooooooooooooooes
May 17 21:53:48 <sugardave> maybe a glimpse of things to come?
May 17 21:54:12 <pandora--> I certainly hope so
May 17 21:54:30 <pandora--> you guys don't see it in your appstore in 'whats new' ?
May 17 21:55:32 <sugardave> my phone is upstairs and I'm a lazy bastard
May 17 21:56:01 <pandora--> indeed
May 17 21:56:43 * oilsworkn doesn't see it
May 17 21:56:43 <pandora--> http://www.precentral.net/
May 17 21:56:44 <pandora--> hehe
May 17 21:56:52 <pandora--> apparently... that's the deal
May 17 22:28:23 <rwhitby> ah, cool, they ran my release delay numbers
May 17 22:29:06 <rwhitby> http://www.precentral.net/webos-firmware-carrier-numbers
May 17 22:29:29 <warpdesign> Roy-Pre101: still there ?
May 17 22:55:59 <Tibfib> aww...shucks. is there an undoTextIndexer()? lol
May 18 00:04:35 <Tibfib> why would results.rows.length return 0 every time? http://webos.pastebin.com/mtX6jWcF ...like when I check author = "bob"; and then author = "bob"; again they both come out as length == 0...any ideas?
May 18 00:20:33 <Tibfib> no ideas guys?
May 18 00:26:58 <catalystmedia> Hey guys how do you force a launch to app and log at a certain log level?
May 18 00:32:15 <pivotalcog> framework_config.json
May 18 00:32:29 <pivotalcog> {
May 18 00:32:29 <pivotalcog> "logLevel":99
May 18 00:32:29 <pivotalcog> }
May 18 00:32:34 <pivotalcog> for logging.
May 18 00:36:41 <rwhitby> is there anyone here who can give me a 5 minute primer on debugging mojo apps from MacOSX?  I need to be able to single-step through the javascript of a built-in palm app.
May 18 00:38:49 <catalystmedia> pivotalcog: I was hoping there was a way to do it without changing the framework config. Like launching with palm-launch and forcing a certain log level. Maybe it's not possible :S
May 18 00:46:15 <pivotalcog> Well, there's some information here: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1565&Itemid=63
May 18 00:46:54 <haeffb> catalystmedia: I don't know of a way to do that.
May 18 00:47:17 <haeffb> you can change system log level on the device (or presumably emu) to display a different log level, but the app has to be setup do log at that level as well...
May 18 00:47:37 <pivotalcog> Mojo.Log.currentLogLevel
May 18 00:47:43 <pivotalcog> But not sure if you can set that.
May 18 00:48:25 <catalystmedia> Thanks guys! I think you're right that there's not a way to do it from palm-launch. Oh well. I needed it for a novice user without access to the source code to help me debug so I can't tell them to change the framework_config.json haha
May 18 00:48:54 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: Hey, I was going to ask if you could update the appinfo.json page with info on how you added the app alias.
May 18 00:48:54 <haeffb> and they can't install an .ipk... ?
May 18 00:49:51 <catalystmedia> haeffb: I'm sure they could, but the problem is the error occurs at random sometimes a reinstall clears the error so I can't see what went wrong... :S
May 18 00:50:02 <catalystmedia> Roy-Pre101: Can do! Do you have a link to the page?
May 18 00:50:10 <Roy-Pre101> for you, I'd get the link
May 18 00:50:13 <pivotalcog> You can use http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1805 palm-log --system-log-level=  LEVEL to  set the level
May 18 00:50:34 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com/Appinfo.json
May 18 01:04:21 <catalystmedia> Hey thanks Roy! I'm heading out now, but I will update it. I promise!
May 18 01:04:47 <catalystmedia> Also, thanks pivotalcog: I really appreciate it :D I'll be using tha tin a sec!
May 18 01:21:46 <Tibfib> wooot! I have 4 "won't update" 0 star reviews. Go Palm!
May 18 01:22:31 <JenP> Hi all
May 18 01:23:08 <Tibfib> howdy
May 18 01:23:54 <JenP> hi Tibfib
May 18 01:26:45 <Roy-Pre101> Tibfib: Lucky you!
May 18 01:27:10 <Tibfib> Roy-Pre101: I feel so special!
May 18 01:27:47 <JenP> why?
May 18 01:27:48 <Tibfib> ...I'm seeing em on myappbox.com so they might be cleared out in the catalog...pre is dead so I can't check
May 18 01:28:11 <Tibfib> "wooot! I have 4 "won't update" 0 star reviews. Go Palm!" from a min before you came..hah
May 18 01:28:29 <JenP> oh no
May 18 01:33:18 <TheSavaLord> hello
May 18 01:33:31 <JenP> hello
May 18 01:33:41 <TheSavaLord> finally lol
May 18 01:34:00 <TheSavaLord> had to register and verify my nickname
May 18 01:35:21 <BigBiff> anyone know where i can find the different methods of the scene scroller?
May 18 01:35:25 <BigBiff> i've looked
May 18 01:35:39 <Tibfib> BigBiff: they are the same as a regular scroller?
May 18 01:35:41 <BigBiff> scrollTo() is about all i've scene
May 18 01:35:46 <BigBiff> i dunno
May 18 01:35:53 <Tibfib> pretty sure they are
May 18 01:35:58 <BigBiff> okdoke
May 18 01:36:09 <Tibfib> the tricky part is referencing the screen scroller to use the methods
May 18 01:37:05 <sugardave> the scene scroller is supposed to be a regular old scroller
May 18 01:37:16 <BigBiff> this.controller.getSceneScroller().mojo.putmyelement at the top of the page()
May 18 01:37:27 <BigBiff> pretty sure that'll work
May 18 01:37:30 <BigBiff> hehe
May 18 01:37:40 * Tibfib hasn't been able to get this.controller.getSceneScroller() to work
May 18 01:38:16 <BigBiff> i was afraid of that - i've only scene people using scrollTo with it
May 18 01:38:22 <BigBiff> scene? seen
May 18 01:39:30 <Tibfib> heh
May 18 01:47:44 <PrimerFender> Does mojo/ares have a trim() for javascript?
May 18 01:49:55 <TheSavaLord> does patchers come here. or internals
May 18 01:52:53 <rwhitby> TheSavaLord: -internals
May 18 01:53:57 <TheSavaLord> thanks Rod
May 18 02:25:07 <Tibfib> anyone got a quick online game they play while waiting for alarm timers to go off? :)
May 18 02:27:00 <Roy-Pre101> Online? Umm...  tons of crap on Facebook.
May 18 02:27:06 <Roy-Pre101> That way lies insanity.
May 18 02:28:24 * Tibfib is playing good 'ol freecell
May 18 02:35:51 * haeffb uses this.controller.getSceneScroller()
May 18 02:36:31 <haeffb> 	var scroller = this.controller.getSceneScroller();
May 18 02:36:34 <haeffb> 	scroller.mojo.revealTop(0);
May 18 02:36:49 <Tibfib> hmm, I only tried in a single-stage app
May 18 02:36:55 <Tibfib> maybe it works in multi-stage?
May 18 02:37:02 <haeffb> shouldn't make a difference
May 18 02:37:15 <Tibfib> _shouldn't_
May 18 02:39:18 <BigBiff> grrr - scrollTo() suxTo()
May 18 02:39:36 <Tibfib> lol
May 18 02:42:13 <JenP> how do i get data from a sql dB into an array? isn't it that way already?
May 18 02:43:02 <BigBiff> hmmm, i did that a few days ago but with php
May 18 02:43:48 <JenP> well i'm using the protoChart library to try and make a chart
May 18 02:44:31 <JenP> so i've got my data from the dB i just don't know how i make the values come out in the right format
May 18 02:45:56 <BigBiff> i've got the php code but not sure that will help
May 18 02:46:28 <JenP> in this case i don't think so.
May 18 02:46:33 <JenP> how's your coding going?
May 18 02:46:56 <BigBiff> going well - the server stuff was a cinch
May 18 02:47:13 <JenP> what do you have left?
May 18 02:47:17 <BigBiff> now if i could get my scene to scroll up
May 18 02:47:19 <BigBiff> hehe
May 18 02:47:25 <JenP> lol
May 18 02:47:39 <JenP> it's not doing that naturally?
May 18 02:47:48 <BigBiff> what's left? make it look pretty
May 18 02:48:09 <JenP> well pretty's the best part!
May 18 02:48:16 <haeffb> BigBiff: still waiting to see it... :)
May 18 02:48:20 <BigBiff> pretty is not my strength
May 18 02:48:38 <haeffb> JenP: what you did before was in an array.
May 18 02:48:41 <BigBiff> haeffb: still not pretty enough for anyone but me
May 18 02:49:03 <BigBiff> hehe
May 18 02:49:23 <JenP> haeffb: i'm just not sure how i'm suppose to make the data [1, ##] out of it
May 18 02:49:25 <BigBiff> but soon
May 18 02:49:40 <JenP> BigBiff: maybe i can help...
May 18 02:49:46 <BigBiff> hopefully next week
May 18 02:50:16 <haeffb> what is the data [1, ##]
May 18 02:50:36 <JenP> the way it wants the output
May 18 02:51:06 <haeffb> BigBiff: I spent many years working as a "hydraulics engineer" for a state DOT...so I'm interested in seeing your app. Real-time display of stream gage data on a mobile device is pretty cool to me.
May 18 02:51:07 <JenP> http://pastebin.com/uXTB3cLW
May 18 02:51:28 <BigBiff> cool
May 18 02:51:54 <JenP> BigBiff: I have no idea what haeffb just said means...but i'm pretty good at pretty...LOL
May 18 02:51:56 <haeffb> a 2-dimensional array... ?
May 18 02:52:05 <JenP> yes!?!
May 18 02:52:08 <BigBiff> hehe
May 18 02:52:23 <haeffb> what are you charting?
May 18 02:52:34 <JenP> it's an emotions log
May 18 02:52:41 <JenP> there's emotion name and intensity
May 18 02:53:08 <JenP> well there's more then that but that's the basics
May 18 02:53:32 <haeffb> so, it's always 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and some intensity level for each?
May 18 02:53:58 <JenP> i believe so
May 18 02:54:24 <haeffb> what columns are in the DB?
May 18 02:54:33 <haeffb> #
May 18 02:54:33 <haeffb>                                 this.chartData.push(Object.clone(results.rows.item(i)));
May 18 02:54:33 <haeffb> #
May 18 02:55:04 <JenP> http://pastebin.com/XeZ9Vdhp
May 18 02:55:11 <JenP> that's my db structure
May 18 02:55:57 <JenP> i don't think I need the second data array in the chart
May 18 02:57:17 <haeffb> so, you're getting the data from logTable: log_id, emotion_id, person_id, intensity, timestamp
May 18 02:57:23 <JenP> yes
May 18 02:57:44 <JenP> i only really care about emotion_id & intensity
May 18 02:58:13 <JenP> well and date...that would make sense so they can see how their mood fluctuates
May 18 02:58:41 <haeffb> and each object in the this.chartData array is {log_id: "xxxx", emotion_id: "xxxx", person_id: "xxxx", intensity: "xxxx", timestamp: "xxxxx"}
May 18 02:59:08 <JenP> yes
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