**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 24 02:59:56 2010
May 24 03:00:56 <haeffb> testing new wirc
May 24 03:01:34 <renegaid> there is a new one?
May 24 03:02:06 <rwhitby> renegaid: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/14591298420
May 24 03:02:17 <renegaid> wirc is pretty good. would be good if it had an option to hide join part
May 24 03:02:40 <haeffb> wish I could remember which colors I had been using
May 24 03:03:26 <haeffb_pre> maybe this is better
May 24 03:03:39 <renegaid> I wish the pre had word suggestions. I remember my windows phone had that. barely ever had to type a whole word
May 24 03:03:55 <rwhitby> renegaid: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC/ticket/26
May 24 03:04:30 <rwhitby> (I'd like it too)
May 24 03:04:51 <haeffb> I just wish tab-complete would work consistently in wirc
May 24 03:06:33 <haeffb_pre> rwhitby:  worked that time
May 24 03:06:49 <haeffb_pre> renegaid: for you too...
May 24 03:10:23 <haeffb> sufficient indemnification warning?  "REMEMBER, THIS IS THE BETA VERSION OF DONE! Things could go wrong. Horribly wrong. BP WRONG. Use at your own risk."
May 24 03:10:42 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: I can disable the mayor updates.  I turned off location updates a while ago.
May 24 03:11:42 <Roy-Pre101> Normally don't get two mayorships in one day.  Usually don't even get one a week but I will disable them.
May 24 03:42:57 <Tibfib> what the heeeeck just happened
May 24 03:52:36 <Roy-Pre101> What are folks up to?
May 24 03:53:43 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: converting naughty homebrew apps to plugins
May 24 03:54:01 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: My initial opinion: libpdl is oversimplified to the point where it's just plain bad
May 24 03:54:57 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm...  Explain.
May 24 03:55:02 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: designing SkyNet
May 24 03:55:12 <Roy-Pre101> What homebrew apps, btw?
May 24 03:55:26 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet
May 24 03:55:44 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: homebrew apps that don't need root access
May 24 03:56:00 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: many of the homebrew services and apps use lunaservice (LS) apis, which is the same stuff that native palm services use. it allows a ton of flexibility
May 24 03:56:17 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: Currently I'm working on zcorder, as I thought it would be the easiest to convert
May 24 03:56:37 <rwhitby> heh, I doubt that.
May 24 03:58:15 <Roy-Pre101> There's no microphone API yet so I'm doubting it!
May 24 03:58:31 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: Why?
May 24 03:58:39 <zsoc> There's no /SDK/ API
May 24 03:58:42 <Roy-Pre101> Why is there no microphone API?
May 24 03:58:43 <TheSavaLord> just had some homemade biscuits & gravy
May 24 03:58:44 <zsoc> what does that have to do with what I'm doing?
May 24 03:58:50 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: I mean why does it affect zcorder?
May 24 03:59:23 <Roy-Pre101> I don't know!  I don't know how you're accessing the microphone and if it'll work the same way sandboxed.
May 24 03:59:39 <TheSavaLord> wondering when the zcorder app volume be fixed
May 24 03:59:55 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: Yes, it works sandboxed.
May 24 04:00:10 <Roy-Pre101> good, good
May 24 04:00:14 <zsoc> TheSavaLord: when a webos phone gets a better microphone
May 24 04:00:44 <TheSavaLord> it's low for the media part also
May 24 04:00:58 <zsoc> TheSavaLord: not if you turn the volume up while recording.
May 24 04:01:12 <zsoc> it's a Pulse Audio 'feature'.
May 24 04:01:30 <zsoc> I've had many people tell me that the microphone recording was actually surprisingly sensitive. Maybe it's your device.
May 24 04:02:15 <TheSavaLord> well when I up the volume it gets distorted
May 24 04:02:22 <PrimerFender> I'm making a clock, and it doesn't appear my calendar reminders are popping up when my app is running. This is on the emulator. Just tried on my device and it seems to work fine.
May 24 04:02:39 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: I'm leaving everything about zcorder identical, except for the apis which involve sending data back and forth. Before it was between service and app, now it's between mojo and plugin, there's a pretty sizable difference in how it's handled.
May 24 04:02:49 <zsoc> TheSavaLord: find a sweet spot? It's beta :p
May 24 04:03:13 <Tibfib> zsoc: oh, pdk will get you what you need to be palm-approved?
May 24 04:03:27 <TheSavaLord> I'm not griping just stating
May 24 04:03:59 <zsoc> Tibfib: I don't get to decide that unfortunately. zcorder will work within PDK parameters for submission, and will function in PDK jail, but that doesn't mean palm will accept it
May 24 04:03:59 <TheSavaLord> I stil like it
May 24 04:04:15 <zsoc> it uses all sorts of various headers, libs, and methods, and I don't know how they'll react to it.
May 24 04:04:36 <TheSavaLord> wonder if someone will come out with an audio editor to crop audio files
May 24 04:05:28 <renegaid> wish there was a video player that supported xvids etc
May 24 04:06:19 <TheSavaLord> that too
May 24 04:06:27 <Tibfib> zsoc: ah, they probably will as long as you follow the rules. They aren't apple.
May 24 04:07:19 <zsoc> xvid is doable
May 24 04:07:26 <TheSavaLord> so who downloaded the free ringtones app
May 24 04:07:27 <zsoc> cropping files is crazy doable
May 24 04:07:34 <zsoc> i need to quit my job and clone myself a few times
May 24 04:08:05 <TheSavaLord> yeah if they can crop vid files inside pre
May 24 04:08:46 * PrimerFender likes zsoc's idea
May 24 04:09:26 <TheSavaLord> avi has so many codecs thou
May 24 04:10:01 <zsoc> TheSavaLord: they are all supported by Gstreamer and ffmpeg. webOS uses Gstreamer and ffmpeg, therefore they are all supported
May 24 04:10:02 <TheSavaLord> not everything is xvid dvix is as popular
May 24 04:10:39 <TheSavaLord> just not handled?
May 24 04:11:00 <zsoc> more or less yes
May 24 04:11:17 <zsoc> the versioning of a lot of the core libs are 'stable' rather than 'feature full'
May 24 04:12:03 <TheSavaLord> so that could be patchable
May 24 04:12:50 <zsoc> not patchable no
May 24 04:13:14 <zsoc> but someone could release a PDK app that stores the necessary add-ons in the app folder and registers them in tricky and intelligent manors
May 24 04:15:28 <TheSavaLord> well I wish I was smart enough
May 24 04:17:40 <zsoc> Just steal other peoples work. It's easier that way.
May 24 04:17:44 <TheSavaLord> anyways that free ringtone app by James H. is awesome
May 24 04:18:30 <TheSavaLord> even does hard to find songs
May 24 04:20:41 <TheSavaLord> like Misery Shows (act 2) by Trouble
May 24 04:23:41 <renegaid> there is a ring tone app
May 24 04:26:03 <TheSavaLord> yeah by the same guy who did the flash cards app
May 24 04:26:22 <TheSavaLord> it's on the beta feed
May 24 04:26:51 <TheSavaLord> or let me find the tweet for it
May 24 04:28:22 <renegaid> what is the name of it
May 24 04:31:16 <TheSavaLord> let me look in preware
May 24 04:33:08 <TheSavaLord> try looking for Music Ringtones
May 24 04:34:39 <renegaid> tried ringtones nothing came up
May 24 04:38:14 <TheSavaLord> I need to find the link in tweetme then
May 24 04:41:09 <TheSavaLord> found it. do you have twitter client I can retweet it or you can follow me and look in my tweets
May 24 04:45:05 <renegaid> can't you send the link. I don't use twitter
May 24 04:46:57 <TheSavaLord> trying now
May 24 04:47:14 <HattCzech_away> anyone here speak german?
May 24 04:48:09 <renegaid> what is the name of the app
May 24 04:51:40 <TheSavaLord> free ringtones I really need to get the link give me a min
May 24 04:51:48 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Are you on the nightly builds of Adium?
May 24 04:52:33 <Roy-Pre101> brb
May 24 04:54:29 <Roy-Pre101> Bah, that didn't get it either.  brb again.
May 24 04:54:36 <TheSavaLord> RT @anotherguy: @palm @GBflipfan How about the new app, Free Music Ringtones by PalmFlashCards - James Harris http://bit.ly/bJQHFD /Awesome!
May 24 04:54:48 <TheSavaLord> there is the link
May 24 04:56:04 <TheSavaLord> link still works
May 24 04:57:54 <renegaid> yea. I don't see this in preware at all though
May 24 04:58:25 <Roy-Pre101> renegaid: May be excluded from the public feed
May 24 04:59:06 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: I can't log in to gchat with the latest adium.  Don't know if it was from updating or if it's adium in general.
May 24 04:59:08 <renegaid> an app like this would get a lot of downloads. seems really good
May 24 04:59:39 <renegaid> adium?
May 24 04:59:41 <TheSavaLord> yeah kinda strange maybe a feed that isn't connected to preware. it was tweeted by either anotherguy or palm
May 24 05:02:12 <Roy-Pre101> There we go.
May 24 05:02:21 <TheSavaLord> IM client
May 24 05:02:45 <renegaid> adium is out for webos?
May 24 05:03:21 <renegaid> I am sure this ringtone app isn't going to be free.
May 24 05:03:54 <TheSavaLord> adium is probably a closed beta
May 24 05:04:54 <renegaid> is it any good?
May 24 05:05:13 <renegaid> do you need to keep an app open for it to work
May 24 05:05:33 <TheSavaLord> don't know I'm not in it. I just did a search on google
May 24 05:07:48 <Roy-Pre101> adium is a Mac app. :P
May 24 05:08:58 <TheSavaLord> actually what about Mundu IM
May 24 05:09:55 <renegaid> strange that the pre has no good I'm apps for msn
May 24 05:10:52 <TheSavaLord> well they have the patch for the messenger and then they have IM+
May 24 05:11:38 <TheSavaLord> Mundu IM should be out soonish
May 24 05:12:25 <TheSavaLord> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/02/mundu-im-coming-to-webos/
May 24 05:12:30 <renegaid> im+ sucks from what I hear and the patch works but not the best option espeically when it breaks with updates
May 24 05:13:08 <renegaid> mundo im was announced simce oct
May 24 05:13:11 <TheSavaLord> well IM+ works better now considering they dropped the price
May 24 05:13:24 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: tweetdeck will remove foursquare checkins from your feed, too. ;)
May 24 05:13:33 <TheSavaLord> and updated it
May 24 05:13:36 <renegaid> you need to keep the app open though
May 24 05:13:42 <Roy-Pre101> You asked and I just read this:  http://lifehacker.com/5544179/tweetdeck-removes-update-annoyances-with-global-filters
May 24 05:13:54 <renegaid> it went from 10 bucks to a buck
May 24 05:16:37 <TheSavaLord> I use it
May 24 05:52:05 <swisstomcat> morning
May 24 06:21:24 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Morning!
May 24 06:21:49 <swisstomcat> this time difference thing is odd sometimes :)
May 24 10:48:22 <jettero> I recall finding a way to get the scene to scroll to a certain widget, but I can't find it atm...
May 24 10:59:42 <swisstomcat> hi
May 24 11:47:04 <swisstomcat> hrmm
May 24 11:47:10 <swisstomcat> this is still confusing
May 24 12:04:23 <swisstomcat> anyone awake yet?
May 24 12:05:38 <haeffb> yes
May 24 12:06:07 <swisstomcat> morning
May 24 12:06:20 <swisstomcat> "this" still has me head-scratching from time to time
May 24 12:06:53 * Templarian yawns.
May 24 12:06:53 <swisstomcat> say i do the following in setup
May 24 12:06:56 <swisstomcat> this.dragStartHandler = this.dragStart.bindAsEventListener(this);
May 24 12:07:04 <haeffb> yes.
May 24 12:07:43 <swisstomcat> inside of dragStart i can access variables defined in setup e.g this.startX=0;
May 24 12:08:41 <haeffb> yes.
May 24 12:09:06 <swisstomcat> Mojo.Log.info(this.startX); gives 0
May 24 12:09:48 <haeffb> inside of dragStart you can access all the properties/methods of the sceneAssistant, since you bound the sceneAssistant (this) to it
May 24 12:09:56 <swisstomcat> yes
May 24 12:10:04 <haeffb> but it's not working?
May 24 12:10:16 <swisstomcat> now i do the following inside dragStart
May 24 12:10:17 <swisstomcat>    this.startX = event.pointerX(event.down);
May 24 12:11:50 <haeffb> ok.
May 24 12:12:52 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 24 12:13:39 <swisstomcat> Mojo.Log.info(this.startX) gives 0 and NaN after setting the new value
May 24 12:14:41 <haeffb> hmm
May 24 12:14:44 <swisstomcat> *facepalm*
May 24 12:15:08 <swisstomcat> event.pointerX(event.down); was in fact NaN :)
May 24 12:15:15 <swisstomcat> it has to be Event.pointerX(event.down);
May 24 12:15:30 <swisstomcat> the problem was not with "this" :)
May 24 12:15:51 <nebula> facepalm, love it.
May 24 12:16:25 <warpdesign> hi
May 24 12:16:33 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 24 12:16:41 <warpdesign> what mac software would you recomend to make screencasts of webos apps ?
May 24 12:17:06 <swisstomcat> i saw that question on developer.palm.com
May 24 12:19:07 <haeffb> hmmmmm!
May 24 12:19:07 <haeffb> do tell!
May 24 12:19:44 <warpdesign> hmm.. let's dig the forum then
May 24 12:20:28 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6383&hilit=video
May 24 12:22:18 <swisstomcat> i've added it to webos101.com .. before you ask, roy-pre101 :)
May 24 12:28:57 <warpdesign> thanks swisstomcat
May 24 12:29:07 <warpdesign> seems like quicktime will do the trick
May 24 12:29:24 <warpdesign> just need to find something to crop the video to the virtualbox window
May 24 12:34:12 <swisstomcat> haeffb: shall i send that strings.json again without the html-entities?
May 24 12:37:28 <haeffb> sure. also, add "Enable Notifications" and "Daily Review Time" and "Notification Settings" and "Use Folder/Context"...
May 24 12:41:32 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: There's something on webos101.com about screencast software.
May 24 12:41:39 <swisstomcat> oh :)
May 24 12:41:42 <Roy-Pre101> Well, about the palm skin over the emulator
May 24 12:42:11 <swisstomcat> i've added it here: http://webos101.com/Application_Distribution
May 24 12:42:29 <Roy-Pre101> Need to spend time on the front page.  Jen's left it in a bit of a messy state rightnow
May 24 12:43:47 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com/Tools
May 24 12:43:57 <Roy-Pre101> Feel free to rearrange.
May 24 12:53:31 <swisstomcat> cool, just made my own swipe scene work inside the app
May 24 12:54:21 <swisstomcat> gesture^^
May 24 12:55:29 <Roy-Pre101> I wonder if I have forward swipe up on webos101.com?
May 24 12:57:43 <Roy-Pre101> Nope, apparently not filled in yet.
May 24 12:58:40 <swisstomcat> i'm defining my own swipe based on dragstart,dragging,dragend
May 24 13:01:19 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com/Mojo.Event.forward
May 24 13:01:47 <HattCzech_work> morning all
May 24 13:02:02 <swisstomcat> morning
May 24 13:02:03 <HattCzech_work> or (your time of day) all
May 24 13:02:30 <HattCzech_work> hey swisstomcat, what's "Developer Website" in german?
May 24 13:02:47 <HattCzech_work> (just added a real link in my program)
May 24 13:02:57 <swisstomcat> "Entwickler Webseite" could work
May 24 13:03:06 <HattCzech_work> okay, thanks
May 24 13:03:09 <swisstomcat> sounds a bit strange tho
May 24 13:05:03 <swisstomcat> hrmm
May 24 13:05:03 <HattCzech_work> ohhh
May 24 13:05:09 <HattCzech_work> what would you suggest?
May 24 13:05:14 <swisstomcat> how long does a metadata update take?
May 24 13:05:20 <swisstomcat> (e.g just app description)
May 24 13:05:40 <HattCzech_work> i haven't done one yet, so i'm not sure
May 24 13:05:41 <swisstomcat> HattCzech Webseite
May 24 13:05:50 <HattCzech_work> i've heard like a day
May 24 13:06:10 <swisstomcat> it just says 'ready for review', not even 'metadata update'
May 24 13:06:53 <swisstomcat> anyone want to test the new moo features?
May 24 13:07:02 <HattCzech_work> my guess is it shouldn't take too long
May 24 13:08:14 <HattCzech_work> i will use your suggestion, swisstomcat
May 24 13:08:17 <HattCzech_work> thanks
May 24 13:14:54 <swisstomcat> anyone up for testing moo?
May 24 13:16:39 <HattCzech_work> if i had time i would
May 24 13:17:06 <swisstomcat> :)
May 24 13:17:54 <nebula> moo.
May 24 13:22:48 <jettero> haeffb_pre: I documented my widget assistance hack
May 24 13:22:54 <jettero> haeffb_pre: thought you might like to know
May 24 13:27:06 <haeffb_pre> thanks! I have to change this ugly pink hilight in wirc, though. ugh!
May 24 13:27:52 <haeffb_pre> say something to me...
May 24 13:27:59 <swisstomcat> something
May 24 13:28:10 <swisstomcat> haeffb_pre: something
May 24 13:28:12 <swisstomcat> :D
May 24 13:28:25 <haeffb_pre> much better
May 24 13:34:18 <Roy-Pre101> jettero: You don't have to jam up words to make a WikiWord to make a new page.
May 24 13:34:24 <Roy-Pre101> You can put spaces in them
May 24 13:37:03 <Roy-Pre101> jettero: Thanks for the addition, though!
May 24 13:37:10 <Roy-Pre101> Interesting stuff
May 24 13:38:10 <Roy-Pre101> It would be interesting to run a script to pull out all the exposed methods of widgets and compare to Palm documentation.  I'm pretty sure there are big gaps in the docs
May 24 13:57:24 <jettero> Roy-Pre101: 30 minutes source diving will show you quite a few functions not shown
May 24 13:57:42 <jettero> that's a project I can get behind though ... finding methods ... Perhaps I'll write an app for it
May 24 14:00:09 <Roy-Pre101> jettero: Excellent idea!
May 24 14:09:36 <thalunil> this messaging app (jabber and friends) is all the time online, as is the mail app. how can i disable the messaging app being online? this is annoying
May 24 14:10:24 <HattCzech_work> hey swisstomcat, how many numbers do you use in phone numbers?
May 24 14:10:53 <Roy-Pre101> thalunil: Set your status to Offline for messaging.
May 24 14:10:54 <swisstomcat> here is an example number: 078 123 45 67
May 24 14:11:10 <swisstomcat> or: 052 343 12 34
May 24 14:11:24 <HattCzech_work> does that include the country code?
May 24 14:11:51 <HattCzech_work> for US... +1 234 567 8901
May 24 14:11:51 <thalunil> HattCzech_work: no. its missing
May 24 14:11:54 <HattCzech_work> okay
May 24 14:11:56 <HattCzech_work> thansk
May 24 14:11:58 <HattCzech_work> thanks*
May 24 14:12:13 <thalunil> HattCzech_work: in .ch 078 is "Wallis", i assume? or mobile :)
May 24 14:12:29 <swisstomcat> mobile
May 24 14:12:37 <swisstomcat> 079 078 076 are mobile
May 24 14:12:41 <thalunil> HattCzech_work: ty for the offline tip, i tried that and had the assumption that after a phone restart the messaging app is online - again
May 24 14:12:51 <swisstomcat> +41 78 123 45 67
May 24 14:12:55 <HattCzech_work> +1 (for us)... 234 (for city)... 567 8901 (individual number)
May 24 14:12:59 <swisstomcat> would be including the country code
May 24 14:13:40 <HattCzech_work> interesting, so you remove the leading 0?
May 24 14:13:49 <swisstomcat> yes
May 24 14:14:16 <HattCzech_work> i like the way that works
May 24 14:14:36 <HattCzech_work> here, you can't tell what kind of number it is... (mobile or land)
May 24 14:15:23 <thalunil> is it?
May 24 14:15:24 <HattCzech_work> 800 and 866 mean toll-free, but that's mostly all we get
May 24 14:15:26 <thalunil> this is annoying
May 24 14:16:08 <thalunil> in .de you can tell the difference between GSM/landline, but you cant find out which operator is providing this prefix
May 24 14:17:38 <swisstomcat> since numbers can be ported, you can't say anymore
May 24 14:17:46 <thalunil> right
May 24 14:17:56 <swisstomcat> 078 is usually orange
May 24 14:17:58 <swisstomcat> 079 swisscom
May 24 14:18:03 <swisstomcat> 076 sunrise
May 24 14:18:21 <HattCzech_work> what about transferring numbers?
May 24 14:18:28 <HattCzech_work> what if you switched carriers... could you keep your number?
May 24 14:18:33 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 24 14:18:44 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool
May 24 14:32:01 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: some more quick translations (for screenshots)... friends, family, work
May 24 14:32:19 <swisstomcat> freunde,familie,geschäft
May 24 14:32:25 <HattCzech_work> thanks
May 24 15:17:49 <HattCzech_work> warpdesign: ping
May 24 15:30:50 <BigBiff> morning
May 24 15:31:05 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: i just submitted an update to my app (with your translations)
May 24 15:31:46 <swisstomcat> cool
May 24 15:31:58 <HattCzech_work> thanks for your help
May 24 15:32:06 <HattCzech_work> and i just realized i didn't give you credit
May 24 15:32:16 <HattCzech_work> (which i will)
May 24 15:32:19 <swisstomcat> $100 will do too :)
May 24 15:32:27 <HattCzech_work> hahahah if only i made that much :)
May 24 15:32:35 <HattCzech_work> so far, i'm up to $2
May 24 15:32:44 <BigBiff> is there anything complicated about using a default webos icon in a command menu?
May 24 15:32:59 <BigBiff> i mean, do i have to set it up manually in the css?
May 24 15:33:06 <HattCzech_work> i believe you do
May 24 15:33:14 <BigBiff> ugh
May 24 15:33:17 <HattCzech_work> i'm not entirely sure, as i copied the file and set mine up
May 24 15:33:22 <swisstomcat> it's pretty easy
May 24 15:33:27 <swisstomcat> i even made my own icons
May 24 15:33:37 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat is hardcore
May 24 15:34:07 <BigBiff> ya, i guess i'll just copy paste the css
May 24 15:34:08 <swisstomcat> shall i give you an example?
May 24 15:34:13 <BigBiff> nah
May 24 15:34:45 <BigBiff> i just didnt know if i could use a "icon": x-mojo something menu-new-thing
May 24 15:34:52 <BigBiff> heh
May 24 15:36:03 <BigBiff> did you create your own sprite? or use separate images for 'selected', etc
May 24 15:36:28 <swisstomcat> i used another menu-icon .. a sprite
May 24 15:40:13 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to get into palm's "featured" list in the app catalog?
May 24 15:41:02 <swisstomcat> not sure but i heard you need a certain amount of stars (>4.5) and you have to pay?
May 24 15:44:43 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, okay
May 24 15:44:54 <HattCzech_work> so far, i've got a 4.9, so that's good :)
May 24 15:45:14 <HattCzech_work> as for the paying... :/ hmmm
May 24 15:46:48 <swisstomcat> like i said, i'm not 100% about that  .. just heard something
May 24 15:47:19 <HattCzech_work> fair enough
May 24 15:47:23 <HattCzech_work> there's the guy to ask
May 24 15:47:30 <swisstomcat> yup
May 24 15:47:33 <chuqui> morning, all
May 24 15:47:38 <swisstomcat> morning chuq
May 24 15:47:39 <HattCzech_work> hey chuqui, how do apps get into the featured list?
May 24 15:47:43 <HattCzech_work> morning, chuqui
May 24 15:47:51 <BigBiff> ahh, actually, they are built-in
May 24 15:47:57 <BigBiff> no styling needed
May 24 15:48:00 <HattCzech_work> BigBiff: awesome
May 24 15:48:09 <chuqui> there's a group that manages that list. Send me email with the app info and request, I'll forward it into them.
May 24 15:48:22 <swisstomcat> is it true that you have to pay to be on that list?
May 24 15:48:32 <swisstomcat> or did i mishear that
May 24 15:48:34 <HattCzech_work> BigBiff: you didn't include any images or anything? what did you do?
May 24 15:48:48 <BigBiff> icon:'new'
May 24 15:48:54 <BigBiff> icon:'refresh'
May 24 15:49:01 <chuqui> not yet.
May 24 15:49:08 <swisstomcat> chuq: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=6798&start=50
May 24 15:49:21 <HattCzech_work> very cool
May 24 15:51:09 <BigBiff> ewwww, it puts the wrong fade underneath the menus - i need palm-dark
May 24 15:51:26 <BigBiff> weird
May 24 15:54:33 <chuqui> swisstomcat do me a favor and get me that info in email. It makes it easier for me to get into the tracking wiki and pass around to the team in a useable pacakge
May 24 15:54:38 <HattCzech_work> chuq, direct e-mail to you? or the generic one?
May 24 15:55:01 <swisstomcat> which part do you need, chuq? just the numbers?
May 24 15:55:08 <chuqui> pdc@ would be best
May 24 15:55:25 <chuqui> just the numbers would work, a little background would be better.
May 24 15:55:33 <swisstomcat> allright, will do
May 24 15:55:40 <swisstomcat> to pdc
May 24 15:57:38 <chuqui> thx
May 24 16:00:07 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: sent the e-mail
May 24 16:00:14 <chuqui> got it.
May 24 16:00:21 <HattCzech_work> awesome, thanks
May 24 16:00:32 <swisstomcat> message sent
May 24 16:00:51 <swisstomcat> let me know if you need more information
May 24 16:03:02 <swisstomcat> hey halfhalo
May 24 16:03:07 <halfhalo-work> hola
May 24 16:03:17 <halfhalo-work> first day back at work in a looong time
May 24 16:03:30 <halfhalo-work> and now I need to scrounge up a Tramsit 4 key
May 24 16:03:31 <swisstomcat> i'm the only one that doesn't have to work?
May 24 16:03:44 <swisstomcat> official day off
May 24 16:03:47 <halfhalo-work> nice
May 24 16:04:02 <swisstomcat> i'm working on an ares project
May 24 16:04:05 <halfhalo-work> I would take today off but I need the money
May 24 16:04:26 <halfhalo-work> Heh, I still have not stuck the dev tools back on any of my computers
May 24 16:05:24 <swisstomcat> hrmm
May 24 16:05:24 <swisstomcat> this.$.gps1.startTracking();
May 24 16:05:26 <swisstomcat> oops
May 24 16:05:27 <halfhalo-work> And time for my T400's windows install to go byby
May 24 16:05:39 <swisstomcat> Object gps1: Palm.Mojo.Gps has no method 'GetCurrentPosition'
May 24 16:05:54 <halfhalo-work> I blame chuq
May 24 16:06:14 <swisstomcat> how do i find out which methods Palm.Mojo.Gps has?
May 24 16:06:27 <swisstomcat> oops
May 24 16:06:29 <swisstomcat> my bad
May 24 16:06:29 <halfhalo-work> No idea....
May 24 16:06:35 <swisstomcat> getCurrentPosition
May 24 16:06:52 <halfhalo-work> Now who the hell is buying a crapload of books for the kindle on my account....
May 24 16:07:04 <swisstomcat> wow, it works :)
May 24 16:08:21 <halfhalo-work> nice
May 24 16:08:31 <swisstomcat> 3 lines of code
May 24 16:11:15 <halfhalo-work> thats 4 lines to many
May 24 16:16:20 <HattCzech_work> chuq, another random question for you... how does the app catalog calculate package size? it seems quite a bit larger than it should be...
May 24 16:16:46 <swisstomcat> good question
May 24 16:29:09 <Nyceane> chuqui, are you here?
May 24 16:29:14 <Nyceane> I have a review "Hilarious but needs to stay at a high pitch at all times or atleast a feature to let you chose how loud you want it. Plus it should stay on until you turn it off. I trick so many dumb black people at my job. And the jews are even worse, fuck em"
May 24 16:29:20 <Nyceane> would you please remove that? =_=
May 24 16:29:38 <chuqui> I'll get it next time I moderate reviews.
May 24 16:30:21 * swisstomcat wonders
May 24 16:30:50 <halfhalo-work> We need a "Worlds Dummest Review" thread on the dev forums
May 24 16:31:55 <oilsworkn> i think the best one is "this app sucks, failed to install"
May 24 16:32:16 <halfhalo-work> hah
May 24 16:32:50 <Nyceane> chuqui, thanks =)
May 24 16:32:54 <oilsworkn> AKA: "for some reason its letting me review this with 0 stars even though it never actually downloaded and I've never tried it"
May 24 16:33:05 <halfhalo-work> Its a feature, you see
May 24 16:33:14 <swisstomcat> those are the "report a problem" reviews :)
May 24 16:33:16 <chuqui> np
May 24 16:33:24 <oilsworkn> lol
May 24 16:33:25 <HattCzech_work> i got an amusing one... nothing too horrible...
May 24 16:33:37 <chuqui> our app review design kinda sucks. FWIW.
May 24 16:33:47 <swisstomcat> can we quote you on that? ;)
May 24 16:33:58 <halfhalo-work> Well, theres only one direction it can go.. up!
May 24 16:33:59 <oilsworkn> I've never cared much about my reviews
May 24 16:34:17 <oilsworkn> the best ones are "i wish it did feature X"
May 24 16:34:21 <HattCzech_work> "If you add a person by accident you can't delete. Palm has a max of 10 people. This is a great app. I have a 32 person dist group, had to break down into 4 diff sub groups. If I could delete people added by accident it would be a 5 star."
May 24 16:34:23 <oilsworkn> not knowing the feature was already there
May 24 16:34:37 <HattCzech_work> apparently this person never knew how to swipe?
May 24 16:34:45 <halfhalo-work> ewww
May 24 16:34:46 <halfhalo-work> swiping
May 24 16:34:52 <halfhalo-work> sounds nasty
May 24 16:35:00 <swisstomcat> "The greatest ap in the world! A "must have"!!!"
May 24 16:35:00 <HattCzech_work> that's just wiping ;)
May 24 16:35:27 <oilsworkn> A+++++ would download again
May 24 16:35:45 <halfhalo-work> "Hey baby, I would love to swipe you"
May 24 16:35:48 <HattCzech_work> "Perfect."
May 24 16:35:52 <HattCzech_work> hahahaha
May 24 16:36:22 <swisstomcat> chuq: i though you removed those reviews a long time ago? "This is a test report. This is not a real bug. Please disregard." and "Foo bar baz" (mid-march)
May 24 16:36:56 <halfhalo-work> Oh God
May 24 16:37:04 <halfhalo-work> Altitude works on my work computer
May 24 16:37:07 <halfhalo-work> I am so screwed
May 24 16:39:42 <HattCzech_work> chuq, so is there a reason for the abnormally large file size of apps?
May 24 16:40:00 <halfhalo-work> The app is "big boned"?
May 24 16:40:01 <halfhalo-work> :p
May 24 16:40:06 <swisstomcat> heh
May 24 16:40:09 <HattCzech_work> heheh
May 24 16:40:11 <BigBiff> it's the big brother code they throw in
May 24 16:40:18 <swisstomcat> maybe it has something to do with fat32 cluster size?
May 24 16:40:19 <BigBiff> 'mark of the beast'
May 24 16:40:33 <BigBiff> so they can track you
May 24 16:40:54 <HattCzech_work> uh oh, we'd better watch out
May 24 16:41:41 <BigBiff> u just THOUGHT the gps was kinda glitchy
May 24 16:41:54 <BigBiff> they know....
May 24 16:43:55 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: i see it in the emu as 1165K, but on my device (through catalog) as 2912K
May 24 16:43:58 <BigBiff> anyone know how i can fix the menu-fade to be dark?
May 24 16:44:15 <swisstomcat> strange
May 24 16:44:36 <swisstomcat> emulator might be setup different
May 24 16:44:45 <HattCzech_work> and even then, the package itself is only 69.7K
May 24 16:44:50 <swisstomcat> check it on the phone (terminal)
May 24 16:45:24 <HattCzech_work> how do i check filesize? and just of the directory?
May 24 16:46:36 <BigBiff> nvmind - found it in the forum
May 24 16:47:09 <BigBiff> tibfib always has the answer
May 24 16:48:54 <HattCzech_work> hmmm... 1.9MB on cryptofs
May 24 17:04:03 * BigBiff gotta learn cookies
May 24 17:04:41 <oilsworkn> cookies are great
May 24 17:05:02 <rolsworth> that ringtone app was hot
May 24 17:05:07 <rolsworth> anyone tried it
May 24 17:05:17 <oilsworkn> hm?
May 24 17:06:21 <HattCzech_work> ringtone app?
May 24 17:07:42 <rolsworth> yea
May 24 17:08:07 <rolsworth> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.jamesharris.freeringtonesbeta
May 24 17:08:18 <rolsworth> it no longer works after i updated it
May 24 17:08:30 <rolsworth> i wonder if i didn't install the update it would continue working
May 24 17:08:45 <rolsworth> very well developed app
May 24 17:09:04 <swisstomcat> ah, a new app by mr. flashcards
May 24 17:09:12 <oilsworkn> in the description: "This will be a FREE app to everyone. Sorry, but this was a private Beta that was leaked so it has been disabled."
May 24 17:09:22 <rolsworth> that dude make some good change on that flashcards app
May 24 17:09:44 <rolsworth> i did not know it was a leak
May 24 17:11:14 <rolsworth> i thought the palm hot app thing woul dhave attracted more developers
May 24 17:12:56 <HattCzech_work> rolsworth: the hot apps thing?
May 24 17:13:16 <rolsworth> http://palmhotapps.com/
May 24 17:13:17 <HattCzech_work> rolsworth: you said that, sorry, i can't read
May 24 17:13:31 <BigBiff> oilsworkn: is it possible to access the phone's vibrate without knowing anything about webos internals?
May 24 17:13:33 <HattCzech_work> it attracted me, i just didn't have time to work on apps :/
May 24 17:13:44 <HattCzech_work> and i finally got one out there on friday
May 24 17:13:48 <HattCzech_work> and it's doing well so far
May 24 17:14:07 <HattCzech_work> BigBiff: yeah, i think you can
May 24 17:15:02 <oilsworkn> yeah, i have no clue
May 24 17:15:04 <BigBiff> i think i'd end up breaking the phone
May 24 17:15:04 <oilsworkn> never tried
May 24 17:15:13 <oilsworkn> though aren't there "massage" apps?
May 24 17:15:16 <oilsworkn> that just vibrate
May 24 17:15:21 <BigBiff> yes
May 24 17:15:43 <BigBiff> but to intercept an incoming message notification would be more complex i imagine
May 24 17:15:46 <HattCzech_work> var serviceRequest = new Mojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.vibrate/vibrate', { parameters: {period: 0, duration: 250 }});
May 24 17:16:14 <HattCzech_work> BigBiff: surprisingly, not too difficult, but only allowable in the palm namespace
May 24 17:16:25 <BigBiff> right
May 24 17:16:28 <HattCzech_work> meaning no app catalog or regular distribution method
May 24 17:16:34 <BigBiff> i c
May 24 17:16:56 <HattCzech_work> i use that service request in the palm namespace, so it MIGHT not work normally
May 24 17:17:22 <BigBiff> so to be able to dynamically change the vibrate function - would require a patch probably
May 24 17:17:55 <HattCzech_work> the vibrate function for what?
May 24 17:18:02 <HattCzech_work> messages, email? something else?
May 24 17:18:06 <BigBiff> actually, i think there was a messaging app that kinda did that
May 24 17:18:14 <HattCzech_work> i made one
May 24 17:18:19 <HattCzech_work> which is why i know about it :)
May 24 17:18:23 <HattCzech_work> txt manager
May 24 17:18:29 <BigBiff> ahh, yours
May 24 17:18:31 <BigBiff> hehe
May 24 17:18:42 <HattCzech_work> soon to be updated to work in conjuction with txt group (which was just pushed to the app catalog)
May 24 17:19:12 * BigBiff searching
May 24 17:19:29 <HattCzech_work> txt manager allows for custom sms tones and vibrations
May 24 17:19:41 <BigBiff> cool
May 24 17:19:57 <HattCzech_work> sadly, i have to have a dash icon open at all times
May 24 17:20:13 <BigBiff> i guess that was my question
May 24 17:20:28 <BigBiff> it would have to remain open to intercept them
May 24 17:20:34 <HattCzech_work> correct
May 24 17:21:23 <HattCzech_work> background apps aren't completely headless (unless they're timer-based or something)
May 24 17:21:34 <BigBiff> cant find it in preware
May 24 17:22:17 <BigBiff> txt group?
May 24 17:22:25 <BigBiff> manager
May 24 17:22:27 <BigBiff> gotit
May 24 17:22:28 <HattCzech_work> precentral feed: txt manager, app catalog: txt group
May 24 17:22:41 <HattCzech_work> i plan to update txt manager soon
May 24 17:25:02 <BigBiff> cool
May 24 17:25:24 <HattCzech_work> what were you wanting to do?
May 24 17:25:56 <BigBiff> id like to create different 'rhythms' of vibration for different messages
May 24 17:26:07 <BigBiff> it'd be cool to have presets
May 24 17:26:13 <BigBiff> beethoven's fifth
May 24 17:26:15 <BigBiff> etc
May 24 17:26:17 <oilsworkn> lol
May 24 17:26:25 <BigBiff> hehe
May 24 17:26:27 <HattCzech_work> that would be quite impressive
May 24 17:26:43 <BigBiff> william tell
May 24 17:26:55 <BigBiff> imperial march
May 24 17:27:06 <BigBiff> (when the wife mms)
May 24 17:27:13 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
May 24 17:28:30 <BigBiff> you could do it HattCzech
May 24 17:28:48 <BigBiff> i'd pay
May 24 17:29:06 <oilsworkn> lol
May 24 17:29:08 <BigBiff> hehe
May 24 17:29:21 <HattCzech_work> i'll try... but that sounds like a good amount of time
May 24 17:29:37 <HattCzech_work> if you can help me get into the top 21 apps, i'll do it :)
May 24 17:29:45 <BigBiff> yes - lot of time for probly not so much reward
May 24 17:30:32 <HattCzech_work> i'm used to that ;)
May 24 17:30:37 <BigBiff> (my app with this feature comes out tomorrow for 9.99)
May 24 17:30:42 <BigBiff> hah
May 24 17:30:44 <BigBiff> jk
May 24 17:30:50 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
May 24 17:31:13 <HattCzech_work> i want to do something like that for my app, just haven't had time
May 24 17:31:32 <HattCzech_work> needed something in the catalog to get working... then try to combine it with txt manager
May 24 17:31:52 <HattCzech_work> step 1) release app ... step 2) ... step 3) profit!
May 24 17:32:34 <BigBiff> i'm still working on step 1
May 24 17:32:53 <BigBiff> stuck in an infinite loop
May 24 17:33:20 * oilsworkn would rather be stuck at step 3
May 24 17:33:27 * HattCzech_work agrees
May 24 17:33:39 <HattCzech_work> damn that tricky step 2
May 24 17:34:16 <BigBiff> preware 2.99
May 24 17:34:34 <oilsworkn> lol
May 24 17:34:39 <BigBiff> at&t customers will pay - they're rich
May 24 17:34:41 <BigBiff> hehe
May 24 17:34:45 <HattCzech_work> hahahah, true
May 24 17:34:53 <BigBiff> 199 palm pre
May 24 17:34:54 <HattCzech_work> they pay twice as much as me
May 24 17:36:34 <BigBiff> how many preware installs to date oilsworkin?
May 24 17:39:58 <oilsworkn> hella?
May 24 17:40:26 <rolsworth> i wonder how hell the pre is doing on ATT
May 24 17:40:31 <rolsworth> I have not seen any ads
May 24 17:41:01 <BigBiff> i cant imagine it'd be very good
May 24 17:41:02 <nebula> i heard one on the radio here
May 24 17:41:12 <BigBiff> is it still $199?
May 24 17:42:00 <rolsworth> makes no seni thought it was 149
May 24 17:42:39 <BigBiff> either way
May 24 17:42:42 <rolsworth> it had a good rating on att website
May 24 18:15:28 <swisstomcat> cool
May 24 18:15:43 <swisstomcat> first app with ares went well, google maps with custom markers in like 1 hour
May 24 18:17:20 <HattCzech_work> nice
May 24 18:17:48 <swisstomcat> pulls the custom markers from a webservice that does a search around your current position
May 24 18:26:07 <pandora--> is there a good way I can link someone to an app in the appstore? some web view?
May 24 18:26:37 <swisstomcat> one sec
May 24 18:27:30 <swisstomcat> i use this: http://pastie.org/974936
May 24 18:27:49 <swisstomcat> it will open the app-catalog with your app
May 24 18:29:43 <pandora--> er, no i mean so I can IM/email someone like "hi, here's my app I was telling you about <magic link>"
May 24 18:30:09 <pandora--> swisstomcat: but, also good to know, that seems useful too :)
May 24 18:30:17 * oilsworkn would just send "magic link"
May 24 18:30:18 <swisstomcat> oh
May 24 18:30:24 <pandora--> oil: heh
May 24 18:30:39 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=<app-id>
May 24 18:30:59 <oilsworkn> "The application is not currently available. Please try again later."
May 24 18:31:00 <oilsworkn> xD
May 24 18:31:07 <pandora--> yeah, that's what I got
May 24 18:31:21 <swisstomcat> which link did you use?
May 24 18:31:27 <pandora--> my app is a $ app in the store, so i figured maybe the webchannel didn't work for that
May 24 18:31:40 <oilsworkn> no, it works
May 24 18:31:40 <oilsworkn> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=ws.junk.dotgame
May 24 18:31:41 <pandora--> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/error.php?packageid=mobi.rtag.ibored
May 24 18:31:41 <oilsworkn> :)
May 24 18:32:02 <swisstomcat> first one works, second one doesn't
May 24 18:32:11 <oilsworkn> well, error.php vs index.php xD
May 24 18:32:28 <swisstomcat> oh
May 24 18:32:44 <pandora--> haha
May 24 18:33:05 <pandora--> ok, well even with index.php
May 24 18:33:08 <pandora--> doesn't work
May 24 18:33:15 <swisstomcat> mobi.rtag.ibored?
May 24 18:33:18 <pandora--> yeah
May 24 18:33:27 <oilsworkn> yeah it does
May 24 18:33:27 <oilsworkn> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=mobi.rtag.ibored
May 24 18:33:36 <BigBiff> swisstomcat: how did you get custom markers to work in google maps?
May 24 18:33:48 <swisstomcat> i can post some code
May 24 18:34:04 <pandora--> oil: er... weird. that worked
May 24 18:34:07 <BigBiff> is it specific to the query?
May 24 18:34:32 <swisstomcat> var latlng = new google.maps.LatLng(lat, lon);
May 24 18:34:32 <swisstomcat> new google.maps.Marker({position: latlng, map: this.$.map1.map});
May 24 18:38:29 <swisstomcat> that's about it
May 24 18:38:36 <oilsworkn> magical
May 24 18:38:47 <swisstomcat> although i'm having some troubles with setting the title of the market
May 24 18:38:48 <swisstomcat> market
May 24 18:38:50 <swisstomcat> marker
May 24 18:38:52 <swisstomcat> hrmm
May 24 18:39:41 <BigBiff> yes, i havent been able to make the title say exactly what i want - it always tries to find some business with a close name
May 24 18:40:00 <BigBiff> i've tried (title) - like the wiki says
May 24 18:40:06 <swisstomcat> yeah, me too
May 24 18:40:11 <BigBiff> but ( shows up
May 24 18:40:13 <BigBiff> heh
May 24 18:40:15 <swisstomcat> all i get is Exception
May 24 18:41:12 <BigBiff> i dont think most of the google params are excepted anyway
May 24 18:41:19 <BigBiff> accepted
May 24 18:41:24 <BigBiff> grammamamamr
May 24 18:41:34 <swisstomcat> it's not the normal map object?
May 24 18:42:18 <BigBiff> i cant get driving directions to happen from my service call either
May 24 18:43:11 <BigBiff> wow it's almost 3
May 24 18:43:33 <BigBiff> i gotta do some work
May 24 18:43:47 <swisstomcat> real work you mean? :)
May 24 18:43:54 <BigBiff> pull weeds, fold towels
May 24 18:43:58 <BigBiff> heh
May 24 18:44:30 <BigBiff> my wife wants me to be productive while i'm on summer vacation
May 24 18:44:35 <BigBiff> it's just CRAzy
May 24 18:44:47 <oilsworkn> lolol
May 24 18:45:20 <BigBiff> ok, i'll figure out my map issues later, heh
May 24 18:46:00 <swisstomcat> important things first
May 24 18:47:28 <oilsworkn> programming is more important then weeds or towels, lets be honest here
May 24 18:47:48 <swisstomcat> not everyone will agree on that, sadly
May 24 18:48:04 <oilsworkn> that just means they're wrong
May 24 18:48:17 <oilsworkn> :)
May 24 18:48:38 <swisstomcat> i'll tell em oil said so
May 24 18:49:17 <swisstomcat> hrmm, why doesn't try/catch work
May 24 18:49:25 <oilsworkn> it does
May 24 18:49:37 <swisstomcat> i still get Error: Exception, palmInitFramework338:2520
May 24 18:49:41 <halfhalo-work> I use it for fish all the time!
May 24 18:49:46 <swisstomcat> heh
May 24 18:49:59 <swisstomcat> doesn't seem to work for bugs tho
May 24 18:50:13 <halfhalo-work> Try {Catch Fish;}Catch {Go to supermarket}
May 24 18:51:11 <pandora--> damn i hate pulling weeds
May 24 18:51:16 <pandora--> or any yardwork
May 24 18:51:18 <swisstomcat> use burn em
May 24 18:51:23 <pandora--> this is why I'm in a condo :)
May 24 18:51:29 <swisstomcat> or pour concrete into the garden
May 24 18:51:39 <oilsworkn> just let the weeds grow, and tell everyone you're trying to be more natural
May 24 18:51:47 <pandora--> if I ever buy a house, it's going to come with a gardener... or no deal.
May 24 18:52:29 <oilsworkn> besides, if you go out side you might burn
May 24 18:52:42 <pandora--> heh
May 24 19:07:39 <swisstomcat> or bitten
May 24 19:07:44 <swisstomcat> or break your leg
May 24 19:12:21 <pandora--> i hurt my back sleeping last week
May 24 19:12:24 <pandora--> how lame is that?
May 24 19:12:36 <swisstomcat> sleep is not healthy
May 24 19:12:42 <pandora--> didn't even have to go outside to get hurt
May 24 19:13:10 <pandora--> which, really, is even funnier, cause I do some pretty extreme sports and rarely get hurt.
May 24 19:13:30 <pandora--> but sleeping? bam. tweaked back.
May 24 19:14:11 <LoneStar99> good afternoon all
May 24 19:15:31 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
May 24 19:17:02 <LoneStar99> hi swisstomcat
May 24 19:17:04 <DogWater> http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hpslatewebos/
May 24 19:17:26 <swisstomcat> why would i want to dual boot?
May 24 19:17:31 <DogWater> Faster
May 24 19:17:55 <swisstomcat> webos is fast enough
May 24 19:18:11 <LoneStar99> win7 would bloat the slate
May 24 19:18:14 <DogWater> Yes, Windows 7 isn't
May 24 19:18:29 <DogWater> and by having two options available by default more people are exposed to webos
May 24 19:18:49 <nebula> webOS is going to be sexy on a tablet
May 24 19:19:09 <swisstomcat> yup
May 24 19:19:09 <nebula> you can quote me on that, too.
May 24 19:19:29 <swisstomcat> why win7 on a slate?
May 24 19:19:56 <hucksy> because its M$ certified
May 24 19:20:17 <nebula> emphasis $
May 24 19:28:44 <pandora--> doooo not wannnnnt (win7 on slate)
May 24 19:29:30 <swisstomcat> me neither
May 24 19:30:07 <pandora--> webos, built from the ground up to run on different form factors than PCs, and with multitouch support with totally different application design paradigms from the PC world
May 24 19:30:23 <pandora--> just like apple put iphone OS on the iPad... kind of made sense in a way
May 24 19:30:33 <swisstomcat> yup
May 24 19:30:37 <pandora--> webos to the slate makes a lot of sense to me, more than win7
May 24 19:31:10 <nebula> windows is bloatware for a tablet/slate
May 24 19:36:15 <CTLAdvance> I disagree, Windows 7 would be great on a tablet that had the correct hardware
May 24 19:36:27 <CTLAdvance> However I think we need to move away from the atom...
May 24 19:37:03 <mischko> That's the wrong petition. It should be a petition to not have Win7 on Slate at all.
May 24 19:37:21 <pandora--> mischko: agreed
May 24 19:37:40 <pandora--> but, it was announced that HP will have webos on the slate and coming out in October
May 24 19:37:48 <pandora--> sooo i think we can skip that petition
May 24 19:37:57 <mischko> Last I heard in the news, HP had ditched Win7 on their Slate and actually going to WebOS. No?
May 24 19:38:00 <LoneStar99> webos on a tablet would be suffice
May 24 19:38:09 <swisstomcat> that's what i heard too
May 24 19:38:11 <renegaid> webos at this point does not have the app support for a slate
May 24 19:38:17 <swisstomcat> would make sense if they want to double down on webos
May 24 19:38:19 <CTLAdvance> HP didnt confirm webOS
May 24 19:38:30 <swisstomcat> renegaid: how so?
May 24 19:39:21 <CTLAdvance> I have been using a tablet PC for a while running windows 7, touch input is very good.
May 24 19:39:34 <CTLAdvance> I wish I knew enough to mod it and get rid of the keyboard
May 24 19:39:49 <pandora--> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100521PD200.html
May 24 19:39:53 <CTLAdvance> basically inset the monitor in the base
May 24 19:40:06 <renegaid> webos has no doc editing plus more
May 24 19:40:40 <swisstomcat> it's something that could be created if necessary
May 24 19:40:58 <swisstomcat> but i think tablets are for consumation of media and information
May 24 19:41:10 <swisstomcat> not necessary to create
May 24 19:42:45 <mischko> pandora--, that's a paid-subscriber-link?
May 24 19:43:33 <CTLAdvance> What I have seen from digitimes does not confirm it... only speculation
May 24 19:44:01 <pandora--> mischko: no
May 24 19:44:15 <CTLAdvance> And I think Windows 7 would make an excellent device if they would only move away from stupid atom processors and use a HC LION battery
May 24 19:44:44 <pandora--> fixed link... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/05/23/1813201/HP-Confirms-Slate-To-Run-WebOS
May 24 19:44:49 <pandora--> followed the links through there
May 24 19:46:09 <swisstomcat> new apps have to be created for tablets
May 24 19:46:12 <mischko> I'd REALLY like Flash to run on it some time SOON!
May 24 19:46:24 <swisstomcat> just forget all desktop stuff
May 24 19:46:42 <swisstomcat> widgets need to be different
May 24 19:47:23 <LoneStar99> current webos apps would have to be modified for webos tablet i assume...
May 24 19:47:32 <swisstomcat> probably
May 24 19:47:39 <pandora--> sure
May 24 19:47:43 <swisstomcat> since it's normal orientation is landscape
May 24 19:47:50 <CTLAdvance> technically any app you built for webOS so long as you used % instead of px will work on tablet just fine
May 24 19:47:55 <CTLAdvance> did you read this
May 24 19:48:00 <CTLAdvance> source is digitimes
May 24 19:48:01 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/hp-slate-isnt-rumored-to-be-switching-from-windows-7-to-webos/
May 24 19:48:17 <Mousey> huh
May 24 19:48:31 <CTLAdvance> I also read the digi times article and didnt see anything confirming webOS except speculation
May 24 19:49:59 <Mousey> oh
May 24 19:53:49 <CTLAdvance> I would like to see a webOS tablet though... and since any windows 7 tablet will most likely have an atom I wont buy it
May 24 19:54:55 <swisstomcat> just forget about windows :)
May 24 19:55:03 <CTLAdvance> Sorry no can do :)
May 24 19:55:14 <halfhalo-work> pie
May 24 19:55:29 <halfhalo-work> Well, apparently the only thing open on my campus is Burger King
May 24 19:55:31 <halfhalo-work> bleh
May 24 19:55:34 <CTLAdvance> I will probably end up with a new hp laptop with a touch screen
May 24 19:55:41 <swisstomcat> too used to it?
May 24 19:55:55 <halfhalo-work> Bleh, don't like the hp touch laptops
May 24 19:56:01 <halfhalo-work> well, more like laptop
May 24 19:56:35 <halfhalo-work> Would rather go with the acer AS1810TZ
May 24 19:56:38 <CTLAdvance> Just like the reliability better than anything linux based. Seems I get to many broken patches and installs for some unkown reason and end up starting from scratch
May 24 19:57:05 <CTLAdvance> Even with webOS I didnt use any patches for a long time
May 24 19:57:08 <renegaid> i wonder if palm would release another device before the year is up
May 24 19:57:25 <halfhalo-work> Hell, I have no patches on my pre as it is
May 24 19:58:39 <swisstomcat> i only have 3 patches
May 24 19:58:47 <HattCzech_work> halfhalo-work: none!?
May 24 19:58:52 <HattCzech_work> :)
May 24 19:58:53 <halfhalo-work> Nope
May 24 19:58:58 <swisstomcat> i don't have any reliability problems with my linux install .. rock stable *knock on wood*
May 24 19:58:59 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: only 3!?
May 24 19:59:02 <halfhalo-work> My sprint pre is a clean install
May 24 19:59:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 24 19:59:13 <swisstomcat> batter icon %, launcher pages
May 24 19:59:20 <HattCzech_work> i just feel like the patches make it nicer
May 24 20:00:16 <halfhalo-work> I hate burger king
May 24 20:00:53 <sugardave> blasphemy
May 24 20:01:01 <CTLAdvance> I think the patches do make it nicer. I dont even have preware installed
May 24 20:02:51 <halfhalo-work> you should all buy altitude
May 24 20:02:59 <HattCzech_work> altitude?
May 24 20:03:14 <halfhalo-work> its a computer game
May 24 20:03:17 <halfhalo-work> addicting
May 24 20:04:35 <HattCzech_work> i don't need any more addictions right now :)
May 24 20:04:42 <HattCzech_work> but i appreciate the offer
May 24 20:07:07 <mischko> anyone heard any eta on Adobe Flash?
May 24 20:07:34 <renegaid> nope
May 24 20:07:51 <renegaid> webos fell off the spotlight with flash. they have since switched to android
May 24 20:07:54 <dawm_> adobe flash for webos is coming out the same day as dukenukem forever
May 24 20:08:08 <renegaid> remember when flash was first announced the pre was at the center?
May 24 20:08:31 <renegaid> pre was suppose to be the first device with flash beta.
May 24 20:08:34 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 24 20:08:42 <swisstomcat> someone was asleep at the wheel
May 24 20:08:52 <renegaid> i heard it slows the browser down by a lot
May 24 20:08:55 <mischko> I _hope_ that HP buying WebOS will re-ignite that effort.
May 24 20:09:01 <swisstomcat> i think palm just overstreched their resources
May 24 20:09:20 <renegaid> i don't want flash enabled on all sites. i only want to test it on one site
May 24 20:09:31 <swisstomcat> you can see it for example in the app catalog progress, or the lack of :)
May 24 20:10:28 <renegaid> i really thought the app catalog would have been better after a YEAR
May 24 20:10:48 <swisstomcat> there were almost no enhancements
May 24 20:11:13 <swisstomcat> there was one screenshot of a different app catalog at the developer days .. but nothing was heard about it
May 24 20:11:35 <HattCzech_work> maybe with 1.4.5?
May 24 20:11:51 <swisstomcat> i don't think so
May 24 20:12:03 <HattCzech_work> maybe with 1.5? :)
May 24 20:12:10 <HattCzech_work> heheh
May 24 20:12:16 <swisstomcat> my lips are sealed
May 24 20:13:36 <mischko> As much as I like WebOS, it seems the apps are really immature for it.  That makes it rather difficult to compete.  That would be fine if there was a strong focus on fixing the apps up but there doesn't seem to be.
May 24 20:13:59 <swisstomcat> the built in apps?
May 24 20:14:04 <mischko> yes
May 24 20:14:13 <swisstomcat> yeah, not many updates on those either
May 24 20:14:26 <mischko> You have to install patches to get decent functionality. That should  not be the long-term fix action here.
May 24 20:14:55 <renegaid> palm needs to get out of the other category. There is  Iphone, Blackberry, Android and then Other.
May 24 20:15:13 <renegaid> i have not installed any patches
May 24 20:15:13 <mischko> They really need some focus.  It seems to be lacking.
May 24 20:15:15 <swisstomcat> resource contraints, it seems
May 24 20:15:35 <renegaid> can't think of any patch I would need.
May 24 20:15:51 <mischko> renegaid, I suspect you are the renegade in this case.
May 24 20:16:33 <mischko> There are some things a patch won't fix, too. Such as no speed dial buttons in the phone app.  PalmOS had that.
May 24 20:16:49 <dawm_> theres speed dial
May 24 20:16:56 <mischko> There's no speed dial button screen.
May 24 20:17:08 <mischko> like there was on the Palm Centro, for instance.
May 24 20:17:09 <CTLAdvance> Did someone say dukenukem forever
May 24 20:17:20 <mischko> CTLAdvance, only in passing.
May 24 20:17:21 <dawm_> CTLAdvance, yeah it comes out the same day aso Flash for webOS
May 24 20:17:35 <CTLAdvance> Sweet
May 24 20:17:38 <CTLAdvance> never
May 24 20:17:54 <dawm_> mischko, a patch could add a list of the speed dial contacts
May 24 20:18:00 <CTLAdvance> I am sure flash for webOS will drop Q4 after HP owns Palm and they have more money to invest
May 24 20:18:06 <CTLAdvance> thats really why the went to android
May 24 20:18:17 <mischko> dawm_, sure but the point is that the apps are feature-poor and patches should not be needed.
May 24 20:18:17 <CTLAdvance> it is growing fast
May 24 20:18:25 <renegaid> why did they go to android?
May 24 20:18:30 <dawm_> mischko, they cant think of everything
May 24 20:18:33 <CTLAdvance> mischkoyes I agree
May 24 20:18:39 <CTLAdvance> like the add or delete pages patch
May 24 20:18:44 <CTLAdvance> that should be built in
May 24 20:18:57 <renegaid> I bet people are barely making any money on android
May 24 20:18:58 <mischko> dawm_, they don't have to think of everything, just look at the prior PalmOS which they owned, or look at the competitino.
May 24 20:19:11 <CTLAdvance> Yeah android is bad for devs I guess
May 24 20:19:19 <CTLAdvance> you can also return the apps if you dont like them
May 24 20:19:22 <mischko> who wants to work in Java?
May 24 20:19:28 <CTLAdvance> for up to 24 hours
May 24 20:19:42 <CTLAdvance> Most of their apps are bad java apps
May 24 20:19:52 <CTLAdvance> there are only a few good devs pushing good design
May 24 20:19:57 <swisstomcat> funny thing, the first version of webos was based on java apps .. similar to android
May 24 20:20:22 <CTLAdvance> The wierd thing I am seeing is most people bought a droid and all they do to me is complain on how they cant get rid of it
May 24 20:20:30 <CTLAdvance> or regret buying it
May 24 20:20:36 <swisstomcat> there are many java devs who can jump right in .. same as many web devs can jump right into webos
May 24 20:20:39 <mischko> I'd like to see a smart-phone OS that was Adobe Flex based. I think that would be even better than what WebOS is doing now.
May 24 20:20:55 <CTLAdvance> I think its designed to fit a really IT or nerdy cliche like Windows Mobile
May 24 20:21:09 <CTLAdvance> even though thats not what google wanted i am sure
May 24 20:21:14 <swisstomcat> and palm would have to bet on adobe for their core technology?
May 24 20:21:35 <CTLAdvance> yeah flex would be bad
May 24 20:21:38 <swisstomcat> andy rubin brought in dalvik and the java stuff
May 24 20:21:42 <mischko> swisstomcat, good point.  I think what they came up with is probably the best balance but I'd like to see Flex all the same.
May 24 20:21:44 <swisstomcat> from his other company
May 24 20:22:06 <swisstomcat> mischko: would be as bad as using silverlight
May 24 20:22:12 <CTLAdvance> Java is ok, its slowly dying thanks to oracle
May 24 20:22:34 <mischko> swisstomcat, yup.  It'd be nice if Flex was all based on open source.
May 24 20:22:49 <swisstomcat> imagine chrome web store on android
May 24 20:23:00 <halfhalo-work> Titanium = OS flex equiv
May 24 20:23:04 <swisstomcat> i wonder why google doesn't get that huge possibility
May 24 20:24:25 <CTLAdvance> I believe chrome webstore is only a way to militarize the web... think of how much free content that will become paid for the app
May 24 20:24:55 <CTLAdvance> I want to see how that plays out before I put support for it
May 24 20:25:12 <haeffb_pre> oil: my Pre is getting HOT with wirc running
May 24 20:25:34 <swisstomcat> crx files are similar to ipk files .. look at the manifest and how similar it is to appinfo.json
May 24 20:25:44 <swisstomcat> the idea is the same
May 24 20:25:48 <mischko> halfhalo-work, Titanium sounds a lot like the stack currently on WebOS.
May 24 20:25:48 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I saw that already
May 24 20:26:41 <CTLAdvance> Except now you are moving from a device scale to browser on pc and mac
May 24 20:26:48 <CTLAdvance> I dont like that
May 24 20:27:04 <mischko> I want to see things move AWAY from Html, CSS and Javascript. The combination is so kludgy.
May 24 20:27:17 <CTLAdvance> Move to what>
May 24 20:27:24 <swisstomcat> only the tools are kludgy
May 24 20:27:26 <swisstomcat> but improving
May 24 20:27:46 <swisstomcat> imagine a flash dev tool that outputs canvas/svg code
May 24 20:27:53 <mischko> Flex is the best I've seen but yes, it's all kludgy.  There are no really outstanding alternatives on the horizon.
May 24 20:28:23 <CTLAdvance> swiss apps are kludgy too...
May 24 20:28:29 <CTLAdvance> devs and html is improving
May 24 20:28:44 <swisstomcat> heh, which swiss apps are you talking about?
May 24 20:28:52 <CTLAdvance> you
May 24 20:28:54 <CTLAdvance> :)
May 24 20:28:59 <swisstomcat> :P
May 24 20:29:04 <CTLAdvance> nice
May 24 20:29:07 <CTLAdvance> hah
May 24 20:29:08 <swisstomcat> i'm a bot, not an app
May 24 20:29:09 <CTLAdvance> oy
May 24 20:30:53 <swisstomcat> GWT shows a possible direction too
May 24 20:32:06 <mischko> GWT = Google Web Toolkit?
May 24 20:32:11 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 24 20:32:19 <swisstomcat> java->js "translator"
May 24 20:32:54 <mischko> That would require writing in java. IMO, that's not better.
May 24 20:33:07 <swisstomcat> it's one possible direction
May 24 20:33:12 <swisstomcat> there are lots of java devs
May 24 20:33:32 <mischko> true. I feel sorry for all of them. (I'm a Python dev.)
May 24 20:35:47 <CTLAdvance> See you need to forget anything google. Its sole purpose is to make google money, while providing a false feeling of innovation
May 24 20:36:02 <CTLAdvance> eventually everything google produces will be slinging google ads
May 24 20:36:05 <pandora--> mischko: hehe. I'm a javadev
May 24 20:36:07 <CTLAdvance> Android is next
May 24 20:36:13 <mischko> CTLAdvance, I agree totally.
May 24 20:36:13 <pandora--> webos is my fun side stuff
May 24 20:36:18 <pandora--> but, dayjob... javadev
May 24 20:36:29 <swisstomcat> which company is not here to make money?
May 24 20:36:38 <swisstomcat> forget microsoft,apple too?
May 24 20:36:44 <mischko> Google and Apple are the two 900-pound gorillas in this industry.  That's why I'm supporting WebOS.
May 24 20:36:48 <CTLAdvance> Well for example Palm is a device hardware provider
May 24 20:36:56 <swisstomcat> even palm needs to make money
May 24 20:36:56 <CTLAdvance> what does google sell to make money
May 24 20:36:58 <CTLAdvance> hardware?
May 24 20:36:59 <CTLAdvance> no
May 24 20:37:00 <CTLAdvance> ads
May 24 20:37:03 <swisstomcat> services
May 24 20:37:11 <mischko> I have no problem with a company making money but I hate advertisements.
May 24 20:37:18 <CTLAdvance> Google makes most of its income from ads
May 24 20:37:21 <CTLAdvance> not services
May 24 20:37:24 <mischko> Even if they fund innovation.
May 24 20:37:26 <CTLAdvance> they tried services and failed
May 24 20:37:37 <swisstomcat> and there's not false feeling of innovation at google
May 24 20:37:50 <swisstomcat> i see real innovation
May 24 20:37:57 <swisstomcat> but of course they want to make money
May 24 20:37:57 <CTLAdvance> Google Chrome, Chrome OS, Android, Google TV will all be hosting normal ads
May 24 20:38:16 <mischko> They certainly innovate.  Just too bad it's all to push advertising.
May 24 20:38:57 <mischko> If everyone turned all the advertising off with Firefox's Optimize Google plugin, the world would change.
May 24 20:39:18 <CTLAdvance> YEah and google stock would fail...
May 24 20:39:54 <swisstomcat> firefox gets money from google
May 24 20:39:58 <swisstomcat> mozilla that is
May 24 20:40:03 <mischko> Sure they do. That would change also.
May 24 20:40:14 <mischko> Lots would change, but it's something we will never see.
May 24 20:40:18 <CTLAdvance> The only reason so much hype is behiond google is because of the name. If they werent one of the first successful search engines they wouldnt be making headlines
May 24 20:40:42 <CTLAdvance> I must admit I like the business model, do absolutely nothing and make a ton of money
May 24 20:41:19 <swisstomcat> who's business model is that?
May 24 20:41:24 <CTLAdvance> Google
May 24 20:41:31 <BigBiff> as long as i get to keep my google docs, i dont care what they do
May 24 20:41:36 <swisstomcat> they sit there and twiddle their thumbs?
May 24 20:41:41 <BigBiff> that was a life changer for me
May 24 20:41:50 <CTLAdvance> For the most part and let the OS community handle their business
May 24 20:42:16 <swisstomcat> really?
May 24 20:42:31 <mischko> I'd disagree with your depiction of them.  They do a lot of work and very good work. I just don't like the fact that it's oriented toward advertising.
May 24 20:42:38 <swisstomcat> who runs their server farms?
May 24 20:43:05 <BigBiff> north korea
May 24 20:43:11 <CTLAdvance> Do you feel you are really benefiting from their server farms?
May 24 20:43:16 <swisstomcat> sure
May 24 20:43:28 <swisstomcat> google maps,google earth, google calendar, google search
May 24 20:43:57 <mischko> The stuff they make is fantastic.
May 24 20:44:55 <mischko> I guess it's safe to say I like everything I see there except the advertisements.
May 24 20:45:18 <swisstomcat> how would they make money without ads?
May 24 20:45:39 <mischko> I'm not arguing their need for the ads.  I just turn them off.
May 24 20:46:00 <CTLAdvance> They could sell their services...
May 24 20:46:05 <swisstomcat> who would pay?
May 24 20:46:08 <CTLAdvance> which would be interesting experiment
May 24 20:46:13 <mischko> Selling services is generally a losing proposition.
May 24 20:46:28 <swisstomcat> i disagree
May 24 20:46:45 <swisstomcat> you just have to find the services people are willing to pay for
May 24 20:46:48 <swisstomcat> hardware is cheap
May 24 20:46:51 <swisstomcat> too cheap
May 24 20:46:54 <CTLAdvance> Thats my point they built search, maps, etc etc and now they just sit on it, I get more ads per search every day it seems and they make incredible profits
May 24 20:47:20 <mischko> People seem very unwilling to pay for services.
May 24 20:47:29 <mischko> They will use them when they are free.  Pay is another story.
May 24 20:47:31 <CTLAdvance> I dont think anyone would pay
May 24 20:47:40 <CTLAdvance> some would
May 24 20:47:47 <CTLAdvance> but not enough to sustain a business
May 24 20:47:52 <mischko> exactly.
May 24 20:48:51 <CTLAdvance> would you pay $5 a month for ad free google?
May 24 20:48:54 <mischko> This country's (I'm in US) move from a Gross National Product toward a Gross National Service doesn't strike me as a Good Thing.
May 24 20:49:17 <mischko> CTLAdvance, no.  That's extortion.
May 24 20:49:34 <CTLAdvance> Is it really
May 24 20:49:46 <mischko> Well, it feels like it at any rate. :)
May 24 20:49:50 <CTLAdvance> :)
May 24 20:50:32 <swisstomcat> it's chuq .. quick, hide the puppies
May 24 20:50:41 <CTLAdvance> and the birds
May 24 20:51:01 <CTLAdvance> chuq snaps birds like he is insane
May 24 20:51:16 <halfhalo-work> Puppies you say...
May 24 20:51:58 <swisstomcat> hide em
May 24 20:52:06 <halfhalo-work> They be hidden
May 24 20:52:53 <halfhalo-work> except one
May 24 20:52:59 <halfhalo-work> but he's devil dog
May 24 20:53:20 <CTLAdvance> I love when I google tips to eating healthy google suggests "tips to eating her out" #googlefail
May 24 20:53:36 <CTLAdvance> gotta love it...
May 24 20:53:38 <swisstomcat> hehe
May 24 20:53:45 <swisstomcat> so much for artificial intelligence
May 24 20:53:56 <LoneStar99> lol
May 24 20:54:22 <swisstomcat> probably based on your prior search history, ctladvance ;)
May 24 20:54:45 <oilsworkn> they know you better then you do
May 24 20:55:27 <mischko> CTLAdvance, it didn't give me such search results.
May 24 20:55:36 <swisstomcat> neither here
May 24 20:57:30 <pandora--> lol
May 24 20:58:06 <pandora--> wow no kidding
May 24 20:58:14 <halfhalo-work> http://silentsight.homelinux.org/Leo.jpg
May 24 20:58:15 <CTLAdvance> Thats what I was thinking
May 24 20:58:17 <halfhalo-work> DEVIL DOG
May 24 20:58:18 <pandora--> it's in #2 suggested for "tips to eating"
May 24 20:58:23 <CTLAdvance> its not mine someone else in the office
May 24 20:58:32 <CTLAdvance> ill have to check his pc when he leaves
May 24 21:00:14 <swisstomcat> how do you do take screenshots on the device again?
May 24 21:00:41 <CTLAdvance> orange sym p
May 24 21:00:53 <CTLAdvance> what do we call orange now? Option
May 24 21:00:55 <swisstomcat> thanks
May 24 21:00:55 <CTLAdvance> ?
May 24 21:00:58 <oilsworkn> orange
May 24 21:00:58 <swisstomcat> grey :)
May 24 21:01:03 <CTLAdvance> grey :)
May 24 21:01:09 <halfhalo-work> Pink?
May 24 21:01:15 * oilsworkn will always call it orange
May 24 21:01:30 * halfhalo-work gets paint to make his blue
May 24 21:01:54 <swisstomcat> use nail polish to make it pink ;)
May 24 21:09:30 <renegaid> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/official-hp-slate-will-run-webos/
May 24 21:10:57 <renegaid> probably fake
May 24 21:11:13 * Tibfib can't wait for webos tablet
May 24 21:11:40 <renegaid> i can't say tablets interest me but I would liek to see webos get some more support
May 24 21:12:20 <swisstomcat> if it's really confirmed is hard to say
May 24 21:12:31 <swisstomcat> that it's running webos is more clear
May 24 21:13:38 <Tibfib> I'm not a huge fan of tablets, but I'm willing to let a webOS one try and change my mind :)
May 24 21:13:44 <halfhalo-work> Here are some statistics:
May 24 21:13:58 <halfhalo-work> Number of hard drives that contain backups of all my webos stuff: 1
May 24 21:14:18 <halfhalo-work> Number of hard drives that my dog stole: 1
May 24 21:14:32 <Tibfib> :O
May 24 21:14:47 * Tibfib started backing up his source with zumodrive
May 24 21:14:47 <swisstomcat> :(
May 24 21:15:00 <halfhalo-work> Number of webos apps that I have code for thats more recent than 3 months: 0
May 24 21:15:19 <swisstomcat> does ares use this.$.button.setDisabled(true); or this.$.button.mojo.deactivate(); or both?
May 24 21:15:31 <halfhalo-work> Number of broken ipk's that I have: alot
May 24 21:15:33 <swisstomcat> how can a dog steal a hard drive?
May 24 21:15:42 <halfhalo-work> It was sitting on my desk
May 24 21:16:15 <halfhalo-work> I had used it to copy all my data from my laptop in preparation of wiping it
May 24 21:16:29 <halfhalo-work> and.... god a call saying the dog had grabbed it
May 24 21:17:09 <swisstomcat> and subsequently lost it?
May 24 21:17:21 <halfhalo-work> Not before chewing on it
May 24 21:18:19 <swisstomcat> bad dog
May 24 21:18:23 <halfhalo-work> http://silentsight.homelinux.org/Leo.jpg
May 24 21:18:36 <swisstomcat> doesn't look like a bad dog
May 24 21:18:46 <halfhalo-work> He is a little thief
May 24 21:19:02 <swisstomcat> any thoughts on that ares q?
May 24 21:19:46 <halfhalo-work> I would think it would not be mojo... but I have no idea if thats right
May 24 21:20:28 <swisstomcat> haven't used ares much
May 24 21:20:32 <swisstomcat> until today
May 24 21:23:59 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: want an updated version of mojo messenger?
May 24 21:24:12 <Tibfib> err more of, can you help make sure the timezones work?
May 24 21:24:27 * halfhalo-work would take a look at it if he had a version.... and then try and break it
May 24 21:25:03 <Tibfib> hah, I need his swiss timezone :)
May 24 21:25:25 <mischko> I have a patch that I need to forcibly uninstall. It won't update and won't uninstall in Preware.
May 24 21:25:46 <Tibfib> mischko: see #webos-internals
May 24 21:26:20 <mischko> Tibfib, what's the breakdown on subjects between #webos and #webos-internals?
May 24 21:26:28 <Tibfib> #webos: palm sdk stuff
May 24 21:26:41 <Tibfib> #webos-internals: patches, preware, etc.
May 24 21:26:47 <oilsworkn> #webos-internals: fun, fun, fun
May 24 21:26:49 <oilsworkn> aw
May 24 21:26:51 <mischko> So #webos is more for app developers.
May 24 21:27:00 <Tibfib> yep!
May 24 21:27:03 <mischko> k
May 24 21:27:04 <mischko> thanks
May 24 21:27:17 <HattCzech_work> anyone use admob in their apps?
May 24 21:27:36 * oilsworkn points out to HattCzech_work that ads suck
May 24 21:27:54 * HattCzech_work agrees, but has to get some money somewhere
May 24 21:28:47 <HattCzech_work> anyway, i noticed that admob has a geo stats thing that's pretty cool
May 24 21:28:55 <HattCzech_work> but sadly doesn't break down the US into states
May 24 21:29:05 * halfhalo-work is bored at work
May 24 21:29:26 * oilsworkn is not
May 24 21:29:31 <oilsworkn> boss is on vacation
May 24 21:29:40 <oilsworkn> so its like im on vacation
May 24 21:29:54 <halfhalo-work> same here, but theres nothing to do besides that...
May 24 21:30:54 <oilsworkn> go and handle preware ticket #13 :)
May 24 21:30:57 <halfhalo-work> I want to try to remake my file/chat app but im being to lazy
May 24 21:30:58 * oilsworkn doesnt want to do it
May 24 21:31:18 <Tibfib> halfhalo-work: I still need your help on upload
May 24 21:31:37 <Tibfib> feeling _that_ bored?
May 24 21:31:39 <halfhalo-work> Well, I can tell you what to do but I have no code besides what I whip up now
May 24 21:31:43 <halfhalo-work> show me what you got
May 24 21:32:23 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/13
May 24 21:32:25 <oilsworkn> :)
May 24 21:32:26 <swisstomcat> tibfib: sure, go ahead
May 24 21:36:11 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: sent
May 24 21:37:33 <warpdesign_> how would I close a dialog opened using showDialog() ? (I mean, not from the dialog itself..)
May 24 21:37:48 <swisstomcat> close()?
May 24 21:38:25 <HattCzech_work> hey warpdesign_ , do you have time for me to steal 5 minutes of your time?
May 24 21:39:31 <warpdesign_> well, how ? I don't have any reference to this dialog..
May 24 21:40:01 <swisstomcat> close it from where?
May 24 21:40:11 <warpdesign_> from the method which opened it
May 24 21:40:12 <warpdesign_> this.controller.showDialog({
May 24 21:40:12 <warpdesign_>     template: 'dialogs/sample-dialog',
May 24 21:40:13 <warpdesign_>     assistant: new SampleDialogAssistant(this),
May 24 21:40:13 <warpdesign_>     preventCancel:true
May 24 21:40:13 <warpdesign_> });
May 24 21:40:23 <warpdesign_> it's created like thos
May 24 21:40:24 <warpdesign_> this
May 24 21:40:39 <warpdesign_> so no reference is being stored here
May 24 21:41:23 <warpdesign_> alright, got it
May 24 21:41:29 <warpdesign_> showDialog returns a reference
May 24 21:41:32 <HattCzech_work> and the final answer was?
May 24 21:41:33 <warpdesign_> but it's not documented..
May 24 21:41:35 <HattCzech_work> ahhh okay
May 24 21:41:41 <warpdesign_> sigh...
May 24 21:41:50 <HattCzech_work> like many things in webOS ;)
May 24 21:44:15 <swisstomcat> document it at webos101.com
May 24 21:44:46 <warpdesign_> well, I don't have time to document yet.. but I'm building a list
May 24 21:44:55 <warpdesign_> I'll write about it when my app is released
May 24 21:45:25 <warpdesign_> delays are too short: I can write about everything I find out, rewrite css missing for some widgets in dark mode, debug,... ;)
May 24 21:55:34 <warpdesign_> HattCzech_work: btw, sorry, not now, maybe later though. What is it about ? translation ?
May 24 21:55:43 <HattCzech_work> yeah
May 24 21:55:50 <HattCzech_work> and that's fine
May 24 22:08:03 <warpdesign_> ok
May 24 22:46:54 <swisstomcat> good night
May 24 23:15:35 <qwertypo> Hello
May 24 23:15:58 <Roy-Pre101> qwertypo: qwertypo!
May 24 23:16:13 <qwertypo> Is there any way to install apps from the App Catalog inside the WebOs SDK?
May 24 23:16:26 <qwertypo> *Emulator
May 24 23:19:25 <qwertypo> Is there a way?
May 24 23:23:04 <kevinskocik> No.
May 24 23:44:49 <kevinskocik> How's everyone doing?
May 24 23:47:57 <reality9110> Anybody have a good example of using mojo.view.render?  I've got an array and I need to render that SOB onto the screen inside of a horizontal slider
May 24 23:53:14 <haeffb> reality9110: just a sec
May 24 23:57:04 <haeffb> reality9110: http://www.pastie.org/975434
May 24 23:57:11 <JenP> hi all
May 24 23:57:44 <reality9110> So for that, would I just make the array my object:?
May 24 23:57:47 <reality9110> Hey Jen
May 24 23:57:51 <haeffb> hey JenP
May 24 23:58:00 <JenP> hi doc hi haeffb!
May 24 23:58:07 <haeffb> well....what's in the array?
May 24 23:58:19 <reality9110> It's a list array
May 24 23:58:21 <haeffb> you need to have properties that fill in the template
May 24 23:58:30 <haeffb> array of objects?
May 24 23:58:32 <reality9110> Yes
May 24 23:59:05 <haeffb> loop thru the array, and get/fill a different element for each row in the array
May 24 23:59:56 <haeffb> you could dynamically add the elements
May 24 23:59:57 <reality9110> Say what?
May 25 00:00:39 <haeffb> infoElement = this.controller.get("dashsyncinfo");
May 25 00:00:52 <haeffb> you need a different element for each row in the array...
May 25 00:01:40 <reality9110> Oh damn
May 25 00:02:12 <haeffb> it shouldn't be that tough.
May 25 00:02:19 <haeffb> appendChildElement or something.
May 25 00:02:21 <reality9110> I'm a programming idiot
May 25 00:02:59 <reality9110> Last time I did something like this, I just did it all manually
May 25 00:03:25 <sugardave> array object properties to some created div, append it to the target, repeat
May 25 00:03:49 <haeffb> <div id='myDiv'></div> is in your html
May 25 00:04:07 <haeffb> fillUpElement = this.controller.get('myDiv');
May 25 00:04:18 <haeffb> for (i=0; ...) {
May 25 00:05:30 <haeffb> ...something goes here.... appendChild(...)
May 25 00:05:44 <haeffb> Mojo.View.render
May 25 00:05:46 <haeffb> }
May 25 00:05:53 <reality9110> Another issue is listening to the divs.  For instance, I'm not going to have the url just sitting there, so how is it going to keep track of the url for the push to the next scene?
May 25 00:06:05 <sugardave> fillupElement.appendChild()....do you NEED to do Mojo.View.render?
May 25 00:06:48 <sugardave> I've only played with it a little bit, so don't know when it's appropriate/better
May 25 00:07:06 <reality9110> Just looking for some way to make a horizontal slider with station name/station image that when you click on it, sends you to where you need to go in the application.
May 25 00:07:20 <reality9110> Kind of like the Palm App Catalog
May 25 00:10:25 <reality9110> Yeah.  I don't think this is going to work out properly because of the click handling
May 25 00:10:35 <sugardave> reality9110: somehitng like this for the setup? http://webos.pastebin.com/M0TiGfme
May 25 00:10:58 <sugardave> then you'd need to add listener code in that loop OR one listener and the handler would need to determine which target was clicked
May 25 00:11:55 <reality9110> Quite complex
May 25 00:11:58 <reality9110> For me at least.
May 25 00:12:10 <sugardave> which part?
May 25 00:12:20 <reality9110> The click handling
May 25 00:12:50 <sugardave> do you want to avoid multiple listeners or do you care?
May 25 00:13:08 <reality9110> I just need the thing to work.  I don't care if it's the ugliest code on the face of the planet.
May 25 00:13:30 <reality9110> Because, let's face it, if you look at the RadioTime code, it already *is* the ugliest code on the face of the planet.
May 25 00:13:53 <reality9110> And I'm proud of it
May 25 00:13:54 <reality9110> hehe
May 25 00:14:01 <sugardave> so, I have no real example, but you'd set a listener on horizontalDiv, and then SOMEwhere in the event object would be the real div that was clicked
May 25 00:14:16 <sugardave> and then you could determine what to do, etc.
May 25 00:16:06 <reality9110> What I wouldn't give for a horizontal list function right now
May 25 00:16:47 <haeffb> yeah, now that I've done it, Mojo.View.render is kinda pointless. It's just as easy to manually fill the divs by id and .innerHTML
May 25 00:16:47 <sugardave> I guess you've already looked at the app catalog app and their horizontal scroller?
May 25 00:17:12 <reality9110> Yes
May 25 00:17:39 <reality9110> They get away easy because it's just an img with the img.src being the url of the app catalog application
May 25 00:17:47 <sugardave> haeffb: I'm sure there are good reasons to use it: complex objects/layouts
May 25 00:19:44 <reality9110> Can somebody pull up accuweather really quickly and tell me if clicking on the daily horizontal slider pulls up a different screen?
May 25 00:23:36 <reality9110> Yeah, looks like it does in the code.  I can use that as a template.
May 25 00:28:56 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Couldn't you use a horizontal scroller of some variety?
May 25 00:29:12 <reality9110> Roy-Pre101: That's what I am doing
May 25 00:29:20 <Roy-Pre101> Ah, good.
May 25 00:29:29 <Roy-Pre101> I wish I could fix my vertical snap scroller. :(
May 25 00:40:35 <dawm|laptop> Templarian:  .. tried to download the addon (had to reinstall on the macbook) and it keeps saying its missing an install script
May 25 00:40:54 <Templarian> dawm|laptop: You're the only one.
May 25 00:41:03 <dawm|laptop> what the poop
May 25 00:41:19 <Templarian> Tons of people have it working on all the OS flavours.
May 25 00:41:35 <dawm|laptop> yeah i had b2 installed before no problems
May 25 00:42:39 <Templarian> Maybe download with another browser?
May 25 00:44:00 <dawm|laptop> i think thats the ticket
May 25 00:44:18 <Templarian> ticket?
May 25 00:44:28 <dawm|laptop> chrome for some reason renamed it to .zip and even tho i renamed it back to .xpi it didnt like it
May 25 00:44:40 <Templarian> Oh yea, IE does the same thing.
May 25 00:44:47 <Templarian> I think I have a note it may do that.
May 25 00:45:03 <Templarian> XPI is just a zip container so they do that, which is dumb.
May 25 00:45:11 <dawm|laptop> yeah
May 25 00:45:27 <dawm|laptop> works now ;D
May 25 00:45:31 <Templarian> :)
May 25 00:46:35 <dawm|laptop> now ill be able to keep my self occupied while im waiting in CLT for a flight home tomorrow.. gotta fly to CLT for a day of training, but my return flight doesnt leave until almost 4hrs after training is over
May 25 00:48:01 <dawm|laptop> nice
May 25 00:48:13 <dawm|laptop> someone deleted a bunch out of the dropbox
May 25 00:49:28 <dawm|laptop> dropbox noobs
May 25 00:51:36 <JenP> hi again
May 25 00:53:02 <Templarian> hello JenP.
May 25 00:53:09 <JenP> hi Templarian
May 25 00:54:36 <sugardave> reality9110: are you still messing with a horizontal scroller and how to put a listener that will do something based on which element in the scroller was tapped?
May 25 00:54:55 <sugardave> with a single listener/event handler?
May 25 00:55:10 <JenP> what's wrong with this statement? var tables = getElementByClass('amtable');
May 25 00:55:27 <sugardave> getElementsByClassName?
May 25 00:55:45 <JenP> yeah
May 25 00:55:54 <JenP> dammit s/b class
May 25 00:56:13 <JenP> no i had it right
May 25 00:56:21 <sugardave> okay...is it prototype
May 25 00:56:22 <sugardave> ?
May 25 00:56:37 <JenP> getElementsByClass....um idk....
May 25 00:56:56 <JenP> probably not, well that sucks
May 25 00:57:36 <sugardave> well, it might be javascript base, but I don't think it is
May 25 00:59:53 <sugardave> JenP: prototype's would be like document.getElementsByClassName('amtable');
May 25 01:00:12 <JenP> oh thanks sugardave
May 25 01:01:06 <sugardave> if Mojo supports $$, the shortcut is $$('.amtable');
May 25 01:04:25 <sugardave> reality9110: you can make a horizontal scroller and put a regular Mojo.Event.tap listener on it.  Then, you have your loop code that goes through the array and makes a new div element to append into the scroller.  Then, you get to which div was clicked from event.target in the handler function of the scroller listener
May 25 01:08:33 <renegaid> is it possible to get a gpu accelerated Ui or is that not possible
May 25 01:09:33 <haeffb> this.controller.document.getElementsByName('notesDrawer');
May 25 01:09:34 <sugardave> you mean right now or at some point later?
May 25 01:11:37 <haeffb> getElementsById or getElementsByTagName
May 25 01:12:22 <haeffb> prototype is getElementsByClassName
May 25 01:12:52 <renegaid> both
May 25 01:14:25 <JenP> ah kk...
May 25 01:14:29 <JenP> brb making dinner
May 25 01:24:40 <sugardave> renegaid: no for now, maybe later
May 25 01:33:33 <LoneStar99> good evening everyone
May 25 02:11:45 <dkwiebe> greetings. I've modified my dns servers on my pre to use opendns  The results from console via novaterm are what I would expect.  However, when I use the browser the dns records don't seem to apply.  any suggestions?
May 25 02:12:21 <zsoc> dkwiebe: did you modify it with my package?
May 25 02:12:25 <zsoc> (that's what she said)
May 25 02:12:43 <dkwiebe> lol
May 25 02:12:51 <dkwiebe> I was testing it.
May 25 02:13:00 <zsoc> dkwiebe: has it proved useful what-so-ever? :)
May 25 02:13:25 <dkwiebe> But, I discovered this "problem" during my testing.
May 25 02:13:53 <dkwiebe> It looks like Bell allows dns requests to go through but when the webpage is loaded it goes through a proxy server
May 25 02:14:04 <zsoc> Are you saying the browser is still using the carrier's dns?
May 25 02:14:15 <dkwiebe> Here's the weird thing.
May 25 02:14:20 <zsoc> I didn't experience that, but I was testing on wifi
May 25 02:14:35 <dkwiebe> If I set my dns server to return no entry at all the page won't load.
May 25 02:15:00 <reality9110> Traffic is usually proxied by the carrier
May 25 02:15:03 <dkwiebe> However, the browser doesn't query the ip address that my nameserver tells it too.
May 25 02:16:06 <reality9110> And Bell Canada is terrible about it
May 25 02:16:10 <dkwiebe> So instead of returning a "blocked" page I will have to return nothing.
May 25 02:16:17 <dkwiebe> Bell Canada is terrible about a lot of things. :)
May 25 02:17:16 <reality9110> dkwiebe: If you load up my app, RadioTime, there's like a 50% chance that Bell blocks our servers completely
May 25 02:17:32 <dkwiebe> really, wow!  That's pretty bad
May 25 02:18:15 <reality9110> I have about 4000 support emails from Bell Canada people.
May 25 02:18:20 <dkwiebe> zsoc: I'm not sure but I'll be as good as my word. :)
May 25 02:18:49 <dkwiebe> reality9110:  That's rather painful.  Unfortunately, we don't have that many options.
May 25 02:19:12 <reality9110> Yeah
May 25 02:19:51 <zsoc> dkwiebe: huh?
May 25 02:20:53 <dkwiebe> zsoc: Yes, it was helpful.
May 25 02:20:57 <zsoc> dkwiebe: I guess what I'm asking, does it work over wifi?
May 25 02:22:00 <dkwiebe> zsoc: I was testing so many things today. :)  I'll check tomorrow and post back.
May 25 02:22:07 <zsoc> hahaha ok
May 25 02:22:15 <dkwiebe> I think so though.  It seems to work just fine.  It's just that the traffic gets proxied
May 25 02:29:40 <rolsworth> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/248265-music-ringtones-free-official-thread.html
May 25 02:37:14 <Tibfib> anyone work with the download manager service?
May 25 02:37:32 <Tibfib> specifically the upload part
May 25 02:46:01 <rolsworth> that ringtone app is impressive
May 25 02:50:09 <George_e> I have a question about the developer registration process.
May 25 02:50:49 <George_e> If someone is signing up for an open-source account and wants to distribute all of their apps for free, are they still required to sign up with a payment processor?
May 25 02:54:41 <Tibfib> I believe so
May 25 02:56:08 <halfhalo> Woot
May 25 02:56:13 <halfhalo> Logitech E3 meetup
May 25 02:58:16 <George_e> :)
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