**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 02 02:59:57 2010
Jun 02 03:00:39 <BigBiff> oooh, new daily show
Jun 02 04:44:21 <renegaid> the app catalog only has 2300   apps? I thought it was a lot more
Jun 02 04:54:33 <rwhitby> 2319 here
Jun 02 05:04:00 <LoneStar99> got 2715 including web disto
Jun 02 05:04:50 <rwhitby> yeah, web as 320 or so, and beta has 90 or so,
Jun 02 05:08:10 <LoneStar99> are any of the apps in the beta good?
Jun 02 05:08:26 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 02 05:08:40 <Tibfib> I'll be  putting my mojo messenger app into the beta feeds
Jun 02 05:08:54 <Roy-Pre101> Tibfib: Slip me a copy.
Jun 02 05:08:54 <Tibfib> whether it's good or not is up to debate though
Jun 02 05:09:08 <Roy-Pre101> Tibfib: nevermind
Jun 02 05:09:11 <Tibfib> Roy-Pre101: you might be getting one from Ryan
Jun 02 05:09:15 <Roy-Pre101> did
Jun 02 05:09:17 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 02 05:09:24 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: will check out the beta feed
Jun 02 05:09:32 <Roy-Pre101> I asked then saw the e-mail
Jun 02 05:09:47 <Tibfib> Be warned, a fair amount of bugs remain... Will be working on em for tomorrow
Jun 02 05:09:53 <LoneStar99> next release of app will add beta feeds
Jun 02 05:10:14 <Tibfib> well I'm off.
Jun 02 05:10:16 <Tibfib> night folks
Jun 02 08:40:52 <Famic> when I push a new scene, what happens to the current one ? does it trigger it's .cleanup() ?
Jun 02 11:41:27 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Jun 02 12:04:39 <swisstomcat> whoa, moo has jumped up to #94 of hotapps
Jun 02 12:22:16 <rwhitby> nice
Jun 02 12:23:24 <swisstomcat> 10k downloads in 4 days
Jun 02 12:23:34 <swisstomcat> and all that after an update
Jun 02 12:46:25 <nt4cats> 'lo all.  I noticed a problem in the palm catalog feed, not sure what the correct channel is to report the issue
Jun 02 12:49:36 <nt4cats> ... okay, I just checked the "Developer Portal RSS Feeds" forum and I am seeing something very much like an issue that is already reported there.  I'll add a comment to that issue in case this is something different ...
Jun 02 12:49:51 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewforum.php?f=66?
Jun 02 12:49:58 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 02 13:52:52 <HattCzech_work> morning
Jun 02 13:53:12 <HattCzech_work> oh, how i wish i could respond to reviews
Jun 02 13:54:17 <swisstomcat> morning hattczech
Jun 02 13:54:46 <swisstomcat> make the users leave feedback to you personally. that way you can respond
Jun 02 13:55:12 <HattCzech_work> how?
Jun 02 13:55:20 <swisstomcat> i have a feedback form in my app
Jun 02 13:55:29 <HattCzech_work> i gave them my e-mail address if they want to...
Jun 02 13:55:47 <swisstomcat> i have a "send and e-mail" too, but that doesn't get used that much
Jun 02 13:56:26 <HattCzech_work> but then i get stuff like "The update gave it an ad, & now it doesn't even work. Thanks for the downgrade."
Jun 02 13:56:52 <HattCzech_work> well, no, the update made improvements... ads were already there... and you probably just don't know what you're doing
Jun 02 13:57:15 <swisstomcat> people always complain about missing options in my app .. but they don't see the preferences menu
Jun 02 13:57:46 <HattCzech_work> i'm 95% sure "it doesn't even work" means they didn't go select the users to send messages to... since it was added in the new version (and mentioned on my site)
Jun 02 13:58:05 <HattCzech_work> urg...
Jun 02 13:58:15 <HattCzech_work> how are your downloads coming along?
Jun 02 13:58:19 <swisstomcat> very good
Jun 02 13:58:30 <swisstomcat> moo went up to #94 in the hotapps
Jun 02 13:58:32 <HattCzech_work> hoe many more have you gotten?
Jun 02 13:58:39 <HattCzech_work> sweet
Jun 02 13:59:23 <HattCzech_work> i hope yours continues to go up
Jun 02 13:59:24 <swisstomcat> 1700 more yesterday
Jun 02 13:59:37 <swisstomcat> 43k unique downloads
Jun 02 13:59:40 <swisstomcat> total
Jun 02 13:59:50 <swisstomcat> i get lame reviews too "this app sucks"
Jun 02 13:59:57 <HattCzech_work> and i hope i can get some updates out and knock out some of the other "useless" apps ;) (like the emoticons one)
Jun 02 14:00:48 <HattCzech_work> you're 1/2 way there :) hopefully your dl rate stays high
Jun 02 14:01:57 <swisstomcat> another one "this is retarted"
Jun 02 14:02:09 <swisstomcat> another one "bug"
Jun 02 14:02:21 <swisstomcat> and at least "best. app. ever."
Jun 02 14:03:11 <swisstomcat> how is group-sms doing?
Jun 02 14:04:48 <HattCzech_work> not bad
Jun 02 14:04:53 <HattCzech_work> about 1/2 way to top 200
Jun 02 14:04:58 <HattCzech_work> 10300 unique
Jun 02 14:05:07 <swisstomcat> when was it released?
Jun 02 14:05:30 <HattCzech_work> may 21st
Jun 02 14:05:39 <swisstomcat> that's very good
Jun 02 14:05:50 <swisstomcat> moo was released end of january
Jun 02 14:06:10 <HattCzech_work> yeah, as long as it continues at the current rate, i'll be good :)
Jun 02 14:06:41 <HattCzech_work> but at least you're well within the top 200 :) free money for you
Jun 02 14:06:58 <HattCzech_work> (well not free, since you worked on the app, but still)
Jun 02 14:07:41 <swisstomcat> my paid app is not doing as well
Jun 02 14:08:36 <HattCzech_work> which one is that
Jun 02 14:08:37 <HattCzech_work> ?
Jun 02 14:09:31 <swisstomcat> animal memory
Jun 02 14:10:25 <HattCzech_work> how much money have you made on it?
Jun 02 14:10:58 <swisstomcat> 64 sales .. not much
Jun 02 14:11:40 <HattCzech_work> :/ sorry to hear that... hopefully that will increase for you
Jun 02 14:12:34 <swisstomcat> yeah, i have some ideas for improvment
Jun 02 14:13:21 <HattCzech_work> so why are the apps under two different names?
Jun 02 14:14:50 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Jun 02 14:15:57 <HattCzech_work> for the developer
Jun 02 14:16:06 <swisstomcat> two different names?
Jun 02 14:18:45 <HattCzech_work> markus as one... thinmachine as the other...
Jun 02 14:18:53 <swisstomcat> ah
Jun 02 14:19:00 <swisstomcat> thinmachine was founded after moo
Jun 02 14:19:15 <swisstomcat> and moo is under a different account (open-source)
Jun 02 14:20:42 <HattCzech_work> ahhh okay
Jun 02 14:20:51 <HattCzech_work> is thinmachine just you?
Jun 02 14:21:23 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 02 14:22:18 <HattCzech_work> cool
Jun 02 14:24:22 <HattCzech_work> i wish i would have had time to make my app prior to last month
Jun 02 14:24:33 <HattCzech_work> then maybe i'd hit the top 20 ;)
Jun 02 15:04:43 <Famic> how can I get more info on what bothers webos in my app ? it was working quite fine, I updated some parts, and now I get a grey screen instead of my second scene
Jun 02 15:05:05 <Famic> I'm having hard time tracking the issue and/or getting back to a working state
Jun 02 15:14:40 <haeffb_pre> go to the Palm dev site and lookup 'Mojo.Log'
Jun 02 15:14:49 <haeffb_pre> and palm-log
Jun 02 15:21:17 <bougyman> anyone jumping ship to the EVO on friday?
Jun 02 15:24:08 <Solix> hello, anyone know how, or an app, that one can disable the palms mobile hotspot "notification chime"..?  aside from muting the entire phone, or turning the volume down?? (it chimes when con/disconnecting each time. THANKS!!
Jun 02 15:26:20 <Solix> i know its probably my laptop running ubuntu, wirelessly, i c/should probably look into that, but for the sake, i would still appreciate being able to manually turn that chime off. :)
Jun 02 15:29:02 <Solix> just for wiw, i lost my hotspot, due to some app/upgrade, it would say "contact your service, your not allowed to share internet", (not true), so i called verizon, started the walkthrough, (pull battery), and she was going to list my phones apps, a loud Alarm started going off in their bulding,she appologized and said they needed to evactuate..... lol
Jun 02 15:29:32 <Solix> in the meantime, i performed a restore, etc, and got it back, but i didnt know they could look at the apps installed.. :/    :)
Jun 02 15:29:38 <Solix> i'll be quite now. :)
Jun 02 15:45:06 <Famic> what are we supposed to do on "cleanup" exactly? set all vars to undefined ?
Jun 02 15:48:22 <haeffb_pre> all I do is 'stopListening'
Jun 02 15:55:12 <Roy-Pre101> Famic: Just make sure to unlisten
Jun 02 15:55:53 <maik> ya, i do that when my wife asks me to clean too
Jun 02 15:56:03 <Famic> I didn't really use mojo, everything went thourgh jquery. Not sur what listerners it sets up
Jun 02 15:56:10 <maik> er, oh.  #webos, right
Jun 02 16:01:36 <HattCzech_work> yay! finally updated content... now i push a real update through
Jun 02 16:02:34 <Solix> lol maik :)  cheers
Jun 02 16:04:20 <Roy-Pre101> maik: lol
Jun 02 16:11:13 <HattCzech_work> anyone here speak french?
Jun 02 16:12:55 <Famic> yep
Jun 02 16:13:09 <HattCzech_work> you do, Famic?
Jun 02 16:13:30 <HattCzech_work> would you be willing to proof-read my app translation?
Jun 02 16:13:31 <Famic> I live in Paris ;)
Jun 02 16:13:46 <Famic> if it's not too long, sure
Jun 02 16:13:57 <HattCzech_work> do you have access to an emulator or french device?
Jun 02 16:14:07 <Famic> I see too many bogus translations in the app catalog :/
Jun 02 16:14:14 <Famic> both
Jun 02 16:14:29 <HattCzech_work> i got warpdesign to translate... i just want a once-over once it's packages
Jun 02 16:14:34 <HattCzech_work> packaged*
Jun 02 16:15:55 <Famic> anyone can tell me how to publish an app for beta testing ?
Jun 02 16:16:10 <Famic> my mastermind seems to be working now
Jun 02 16:16:12 <HattCzech_work> that i do not know
Jun 02 16:16:15 <chuqui> fanic -- first, find a live chicken and four black candles.....
Jun 02 16:23:12 <Roy-Pre101> Famic: Beta is easy, but I've not done it.
Jun 02 16:23:25 <Roy-Pre101> Just go to My Apps
Jun 02 17:14:12 <Famic> Roy-Pre101: we need to pay to hand out apps for download ? o_O
Jun 02 17:14:32 <Famic> I went to "my apps" and began the procedure...
Jun 02 17:15:11 <Famic> I have no idea what "Tax identification Number" they want, and the next section is "payment" :D
Jun 02 17:15:32 <Roy-Pre101> Payment shouldn't be required for web apps.
Jun 02 17:16:39 <Famic> I think I'm gonna dig into the preware side of things
Jun 02 17:20:04 <chuqui> okay, policy note for app reviews: the word "skank" is acceptable usage, but is considered substandard. Our preferred term is "bimbo"
Jun 02 17:22:07 <halfhalo_pre> ?
Jun 02 17:22:23 <halfhalo_pre> that's pretty funny
Jun 02 17:22:50 <chuqui> moderating athe app reviews is SUCH fun...
Jun 02 17:23:48 <sk4jc> wow that is funny
Jun 02 17:24:07 <halfhalo_pre> hire little code monkeys to do it
Jun 02 17:24:57 <chuqui> they DID. me.
Jun 02 17:25:42 <halfhalo_pre>  lol
Jun 02 17:25:48 <Famic> any of you know how to get an homebrew app onto preware catalog ?
Jun 02 17:26:07 <halfhalo_pre> it's more work than the web distro
Jun 02 17:32:30 <sk4jc> famic: you could contact precentral and add it to their feed
Jun 02 17:41:15 <halfhalo_pre> soo
Jun 02 17:41:30 <halfhalo_pre> how bout them new att plans
Jun 02 17:50:31 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jun 02 17:50:59 <halfhalo_pre> hola
Jun 02 17:53:58 <chuqui> actually, I think the AT&T plans make sense...
Jun 02 17:54:05 <swisstomcat> hey chuqui
Jun 02 17:54:06 <chuqui> and I like that tethering is coming. finally.
Jun 02 17:54:32 <pandora--> oh it is?
Jun 02 17:54:36 <pandora--> even for sprint?
Jun 02 17:54:39 <chuqui> to AT&T.
Jun 02 17:54:43 <pandora--> grr
Jun 02 17:54:54 <chuqui> tethering is a carrier decision. not up to the phone.
Jun 02 17:55:06 * pandora-- blames hp!
Jun 02 17:55:12 <pandora--> :P
Jun 02 17:55:18 <chuqui> so I'm hoping once iPhone OS 4.0 ships and tethering hits the iPhone I'll also see it on the Palm ATT phones.
Jun 02 17:55:37 <chuqui> (but I honestly don't know. in my position, I don't ASK, because thaty way I don't have to lie...)
Jun 02 17:55:48 <pandora--> lol
Jun 02 17:55:52 <halfhalo_pre> bah
Jun 02 17:55:55 <halfhalo_pre> lying
Jun 02 17:56:00 <halfhalo_pre> so underrated
Jun 02 17:57:00 <chuqui> actually, one of the key questions they asked me when I interviewed here was "what will you do if we ask you to lie for the company?"
Jun 02 17:57:15 <halfhalo_pre> if the pp was for tmo I would be happy
Jun 02 17:57:24 <chuqui> that led to a fascinating 45 minute discussion on the topic.
Jun 02 17:57:42 <halfhalo_pre> hah
Jun 02 17:58:48 <chuqui> (short answer: I lie. longer answer, which is what took 45 minutes -- how to avoid getting to that situation in the first place, and how to handle the problems you create when you do it if it's unavoidable)
Jun 02 17:58:51 <HattCzech_work> that is an interesting topic
Jun 02 17:59:11 <chuqui> but I much prefer "I can't say" to lying. or as I like to say, "look! a puppy!"
Jun 02 17:59:16 <HattCzech_work> i like the long answer better :)
Jun 02 17:59:23 <halfhalo_pre> I like sprint but the lack of service at my house pisses me off.  and I don't lie.  I... misdirect
Jun 02 17:59:28 <HattCzech_work> "oh! a piece of candy!"
Jun 02 17:59:47 <chuqui> I would NEVER misdirect. (and that's a lie)
Jun 02 17:59:58 <halfhalo_pre> lol
Jun 02 18:00:08 <pandora--> halfhalo_pre: totally. f'in sprint service blows goat nads.
Jun 02 18:00:33 <HattCzech_work> hahah, i have no issues with sprint service
Jun 02 18:00:40 <HattCzech_work> and i'm in a 4g area
Jun 02 18:00:47 <HattCzech_work> and i pay less than $50 a month :)
Jun 02 18:01:07 <halfhalo_pre> oh, one block above me, full bars
Jun 02 18:01:08 <chuqui> reality about carriers: they all work well in some areas and suck in others. No carrier has perfect service. So you need to figure out which ones work well where.
Jun 02 18:01:15 <pandora--> I'm in the boonies... you know LOS ANGELES.
Jun 02 18:01:17 <halfhalo_pre> one below me?  full bars
Jun 02 18:01:30 <halfhalo_pre> my house?  hah...
Jun 02 18:02:25 <halfhalo_pre> only tmo and vzw have service at my house
Jun 02 18:02:37 <HattCzech_work> halfhalo_pre: move ;)
Jun 02 18:02:43 <halfhalo_pre> bah
Jun 02 18:02:49 <HotDP> Is there someone out there who can help me with localization and Ares?
Jun 02 18:04:50 <HotDP> Seems like i shall make some kind of .json file, but where and so on i can't find?
Jun 02 18:06:00 <HattCzech_work> strings.json
Jun 02 18:06:48 <HattCzech_work> resources/(two_letter_language)_(two_letter_country)
Jun 02 18:06:51 <HattCzech_work> that's the folder
Jun 02 18:06:59 <HattCzech_work> then you need strings.json and appinfo.json
Jun 02 18:07:31 <HotDP> Ok, ares don't mare the resources folder but i guess i shall make it myself then
Jun 02 18:07:52 <HotDP> Is there a list of "two_letter_language" ?
Jun 02 18:09:04 <HattCzech_work> not really
Jun 02 18:09:09 <HattCzech_work> but the ones i know of are...
Jun 02 18:09:29 <HattCzech_work> de_de, es_es, es_mx, es_us, fr_fr
Jun 02 18:10:24 <HotDP> thanks
Jun 02 18:10:36 <HotDP> The english one is?
Jun 02 18:10:46 <HattCzech_work> default? :)
Jun 02 18:11:01 <HattCzech_work> i don't have one for english
Jun 02 18:11:08 <HotDP> I dont understand
Jun 02 18:11:27 <HattCzech_work> my app is written in english, so it defaults to english
Jun 02 18:11:31 <HotDP> I type $L("My text here");
Jun 02 18:11:41 <HattCzech_work> if there is no localization, it defaults
Jun 02 18:11:49 <HotDP> So when i choose english it will show "My text here" ?
Jun 02 18:11:54 <HattCzech_work> correct
Jun 02 18:11:56 <HotDP> BUT
Jun 02 18:12:10 <HotDP> If nother reagion it will use My text here as key for the translation?
Jun 02 18:12:15 <HattCzech_work> yes
Jun 02 18:12:25 <HotDP> I think i understand :)
Jun 02 18:12:29 <HotDP> thanks alot
Jun 02 18:12:43 <HotDP> i will try it right away
Jun 02 18:12:47 <HattCzech_work> so strings.json will have "My text here": "Something else in another language"
Jun 02 18:12:54 <HattCzech_work> np
Jun 02 18:12:56 <HotDP> Aha
Jun 02 18:13:03 <HotDP> Do you use google translate? :D
Jun 02 18:13:13 <HotDP> i mean spanish :S
Jun 02 18:13:16 <HotDP> i dont have a chance
Jun 02 18:14:44 <CTLAdvance> You can also use microsoft translator
Jun 02 18:15:00 <HotDP> But that is what you do and then hope it does a good job?
Jun 02 18:15:12 <HattCzech_work> find someone that knows the language
Jun 02 18:15:16 <HattCzech_work> and is willing to help
Jun 02 18:15:18 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Jun 02 18:15:23 <CTLAdvance> cant beat a lingual
Jun 02 18:15:24 <HattCzech_work> a few people in here were willing to help me out
Jun 02 18:15:41 <CTLAdvance> just make sure to translate what they give you so its not like
Jun 02 18:15:42 <HattCzech_work> but if it's not going to be a free app, you might have a bit more difficulty
Jun 02 18:15:45 <CTLAdvance> my app sucks dont use it
Jun 02 18:16:26 <HotDP> When i use thoose translation tools for my own contry to english it fails so much
Jun 02 18:16:32 <HotDP> And no it will not be free :S
Jun 02 18:16:41 <HotDP> choose*
Jun 02 18:17:00 <HotDP> the 50$ to palm should go to spell chek :D
Jun 02 18:17:13 <HattCzech_work> hahaha, true
Jun 02 18:17:18 <HattCzech_work> i'm willing to help with grammatical issues if you have them
Jun 02 18:17:27 <HattCzech_work> your english seems good to me
Jun 02 18:17:35 <HotDP> To spanish?
Jun 02 18:17:51 <HattCzech_work> my spanish is mediocre
Jun 02 18:17:55 <HotDP> cool
Jun 02 18:17:57 <HattCzech_work> i asked someone to look over mine
Jun 02 18:18:29 <HotDP> I don't have them yet, but thanks alot! i will contact you when i have. I can see you are here often :)
Jun 02 18:18:44 <HattCzech_work> heheh, i am indeed
Jun 02 18:18:51 <HotDP> (its not alot) just some disclaimer and stuff :P
Jun 02 18:19:57 <HattCzech_work> i'll do my best, and if i can't do it right, i have someone here at work who speaks spanish :)
Jun 02 18:20:05 <HattCzech_work> brb
Jun 02 18:20:11 <HotDP> thanks alot :)
Jun 02 18:20:25 <HotDP> I can help you with german then, if needed hehe
Jun 02 18:23:01 <swisstomcat> i can also help with german
Jun 02 18:23:20 <Famic> anyone wanna give me feedback about my MasterMind game ? you can get it from http://www.lindicible.com/contents/palm/com.lindicible.palm.pre.mistermind_0.7.8_all.ipk
Jun 02 18:25:08 <swisstomcat> let me test it
Jun 02 18:25:33 <HotDP> HattCzech_work, it does not work
Jun 02 18:26:32 <HotDP> I give the label $L("Beer");
Jun 02 18:26:38 <HotDP> (in ares)
Jun 02 18:26:56 <HotDP> And it just shows that and not Beer ?
Jun 02 18:28:32 <HotDP> Its like it does not work when i do it from ares?
Jun 02 18:28:41 <HotDP> I works when i set a alert box
Jun 02 18:31:32 <HattCzech_work> HotDP: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1705 try that
Jun 02 18:31:37 <HattCzech_work> (for reference)
Jun 02 18:31:48 <HotDP> I have read that
Jun 02 18:31:50 <HattCzech_work> hmmm
Jun 02 18:32:00 <HotDP> And as i said it works if i set it in the code
Jun 02 18:32:11 <HattCzech_work> so it works in alerts, but where are you trying to use it where it doesn't work?
Jun 02 18:32:15 <swisstomcat> can you post the code is not working?
Jun 02 18:33:02 <HotDP> Its not code
Jun 02 18:33:24 <HotDP> I set the label value in Ares "frontend/designer"
Jun 02 18:33:29 <HotDP> and that is not working
Jun 02 18:33:38 <swisstomcat> aha
Jun 02 18:33:40 <swisstomcat> that might not work
Jun 02 18:34:01 <HotDP> Dammit?
Jun 02 18:34:13 <HotDP> That is kind of crap?
Jun 02 18:35:31 <swisstomcat> i'm sure there's a way to do it
Jun 02 18:35:58 <HattCzech_work> is there a list of commandMenu icons?
Jun 02 18:40:13 <HotDP> dont understand?
Jun 02 18:40:24 <HattCzech_work> (not related to what you're doing)
Jun 02 18:40:37 <HattCzech_work> commandMenu icons... i was wondering if there was a list of icon names
Jun 02 18:41:56 <HattCzech_work> where i wouldn't have to include the image
Jun 02 18:42:09 <HattCzech_work> i remember someone was playing with them, but i don't remember who... :/
Jun 02 18:47:49 <HotDP> I guess i have to set all translations from the code
Jun 02 18:49:38 <HotDP> What is : es_es, es_mx, es_us ?
Jun 02 18:49:59 <halfhalo_class> this computer is soooooo slow..........
Jun 02 18:51:37 <HattCzech_work> spanish
Jun 02 18:51:44 <HotDP> all 3?
Jun 02 18:51:53 <halfhalo_class> si
Jun 02 18:51:54 <HattCzech_work> spanish_spain, spanish_mexico, spanish_us
Jun 02 18:52:03 <HattCzech_work> i use the same file for all
Jun 02 18:52:27 <swisstomcat> i usually use resources\de resources\fr
Jun 02 18:52:50 <swisstomcat> if you don't have country specfic translations
Jun 02 18:54:03 <HattCzech_work> ...?
Jun 02 18:54:12 <HattCzech_work> so i could have ONE file for spanish?
Jun 02 18:54:33 <swisstomcat> i assume so, resources\es
Jun 02 18:55:19 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, i shall test that
Jun 02 18:55:40 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to 'gray-out' or 'disable' a commandMenu item?
Jun 02 18:56:03 <swisstomcat> let me check for an example
Jun 02 18:56:15 <HattCzech_work> nevermind, just figured it out
Jun 02 18:56:17 <HattCzech_work> disabled: true
Jun 02 18:56:27 <HattCzech_work> i was trying enabled: false :)
Jun 02 18:56:35 <swisstomcat> disabled=true
Jun 02 18:56:59 <swisstomcat> this.commandMenuModel.items[0].disabled = true;
Jun 02 18:57:12 <swisstomcat> depending how your command-menu is structured
Jun 02 19:00:09 <HattCzech_work> indeed, thanks
Jun 02 19:01:11 <halfhalo_class> I heart fast dl speeds
Jun 02 19:01:33 <HattCzech_work> boo, i was hoping that changing to just es (instead of the 3) would reduce package size... not so much
Jun 02 19:02:14 <halfhalo_class> Bah
Jun 02 19:03:33 <halfhalo_class> To go to lunch at ignition tomorrow or to not go to lunch at ignition tomorrow....
Jun 02 19:03:38 <halfhalo_class> I mean, its free food
Jun 02 19:03:46 <swisstomcat> free food sounds good
Jun 02 19:03:55 <halfhalo_class> But they also used the acronym DLG
Jun 02 19:04:05 <halfhalo_class> Its a toss up
Jun 02 19:07:32 <Famic> anyone wanna give me feedback about my MasterMind game ? you can get it from http://www.lindicible.com/contents/palm/com.lindicible.palm.pre.mistermind_0.7.10_all.ipk (updated since last link)
Jun 02 19:11:32 <HattCzech_work> anyone know where the emoticons are hiding? (images)
Jun 02 19:14:15 <BigBiff> what images are you looking for?
Jun 02 19:14:30 <HattCzech_work> the images for emoticons used in the messaging app
Jun 02 19:15:09 <BigBiff> yikes
Jun 02 19:15:19 <dirs> hi
Jun 02 19:15:20 <halfhalo_class> Spamspamspam
Jun 02 19:16:48 <dirs> i'm doing an app and PDL to manipulate and image. everything was fine but now I want to use a resized versions of the image so I'm using the /var/luna/data/extractfs thing
Jun 02 19:17:24 <halfhalo_class> Yay!
Jun 02 19:17:27 <halfhalo_class> Doctor done!
Jun 02 19:17:38 <dirs> but now, my c (PDL) code are outputing strange caracters
Jun 02 19:17:55 <dirs> :/ some one know if extractfs will not work with fopen??
Jun 02 19:18:09 <halfhalo_class> Random guess:  Its not reading the file type correctly
Jun 02 19:18:34 <dirs> fopen(filename, "rb");
Jun 02 19:19:02 <halfhalo_class> Considering I have no idea hwo to program in c....
Jun 02 19:25:24 <HotDP> I am noob to timer, if i would like to write to console every 1 sec should 	setInterval(console.log("test"), 1000); not work? (it does not)
Jun 02 19:25:31 <BigBiff> ok HattCzech, you got me curious - and i cant find them either
Jun 02 19:25:44 <BigBiff> that's just mean - like getting a song stuck in someone's head
Jun 02 19:26:07 <halfhalo_class> Ok, biggest complaint of the phone setup process: No wifi
Jun 02 19:26:14 <halfhalo_class> Grrrr
Jun 02 19:27:40 <BigBiff> actually, i got no emoticons at all in the emu
Jun 02 19:39:39 <luke-jr> how can I inhibit sleep via SSH?
Jun 02 19:39:50 <luke-jr> and/or is SIGSTOP powerd a bad idea?
Jun 02 19:40:21 <swisstomcat> i'd ask in #webos-internals
Jun 02 19:50:28 <swisstomcat> json rocks :)
Jun 02 19:51:00 <luke-jr> ...
Jun 02 19:51:10 <halfhalo_class> Well, it does!
Jun 02 19:51:42 <swisstomcat> i'm using yql to get query rss feeds .. output to json .. evalJSON()  .. done
Jun 02 19:51:55 <halfhalo_class> ewww
Jun 02 19:51:58 <halfhalo_class> evalJSON
Jun 02 19:52:09 <swisstomcat> not good?
Jun 02 19:52:16 <halfhalo_class> I don't like it
Jun 02 19:52:28 <halfhalo_class> iirc it has perf issues and security issues sometimes
Jun 02 19:52:36 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 02 19:52:43 <swisstomcat> the source is trusted
Jun 02 19:53:01 <halfhalo_class> then it should be fine
Jun 02 19:53:20 <swisstomcat> think so too
Jun 02 19:53:53 <halfhalo_class> Ido you have sanitize set?
Jun 02 19:58:01 <halfhalo_class> oh god
Jun 02 19:58:04 <halfhalo_class> hulu is opening
Jun 02 19:59:32 <HattCzech_work> ...? opening?
Jun 02 19:59:44 <halfhalo_class> on my desktop
Jun 02 20:01:12 <halfhalo_class> And... wipeout
Jun 02 20:01:15 <halfhalo_class> oh god
Jun 02 20:01:24 <halfhalo_class> its to crappy to not what
Jun 02 20:01:36 <HattCzech_work> why does it seem like google buying admob killed my fill rate?
Jun 02 20:01:46 <halfhalo_class> Because google is evil?
Jun 02 20:03:47 <HattCzech_work> 5/27 - 97.66%, 5/28 - 94.58%, 5/29 - 97.67%, 5/30 - 89.33%, 5/31 - 32.09%, 6/1 - 29.39%, 6/2 (so far) - 35.93%
Jun 02 20:04:05 <HattCzech_work> W... T... F...?
Jun 02 20:04:26 <halfhalo_class> Its apples fault
Jun 02 20:07:32 <HattCzech_work> them and their iAd
Jun 02 20:11:51 <luke-jr> what would be the recommended language to write a script for WebOS? I need to do raw TCP and DBus
Jun 02 20:15:42 <HotDP> There more i work with WebOS you more i like it! there have been some good employees at palm
Jun 02 20:16:18 <halfhalo_class> Dont let them hear that thought, we would never hear the end of it
Jun 02 20:16:19 <halfhalo_class> :p
Jun 02 20:16:50 <Famic> I wish they had used jquery instead of old prototype :p
Jun 02 20:17:04 <halfhalo_class> I wish I had more coke
Jun 02 20:17:27 <halfhalo_class> GRRR PEPSI SUCKS!
Jun 02 20:17:37 <Famic> damn junkie
Jun 02 20:17:46 <halfhalo_class> Yup
Jun 02 20:17:50 <halfhalo_class> Your point is?
Jun 02 20:18:00 <halfhalo_class> And more specifically, insane junkie with weapons
Jun 02 20:18:04 <Famic> my point is that pepsi is way better than coke
Jun 02 20:18:14 * halfhalo_class gets his emergency hatchett
Jun 02 20:18:17 <swisstomcat> luke-jr: c/c++
Jun 02 20:18:35 <luke-jr> swisstomcat: anything I can use to avoid compiling?
Jun 02 20:18:50 <swisstomcat> wait for javascript-services
Jun 02 20:18:58 <swisstomcat> or phyton
Jun 02 20:18:59 <halfhalo_class> I heart js services
Jun 02 20:19:14 <halfhalo_class> heartheartheart
Jun 02 20:19:39 <swisstomcat> i've yet to play with node.js, but it looks super cool
Jun 02 20:19:56 <Famic> swisstomcat: did you try the mistermind ?
Jun 02 20:20:05 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 02 20:20:20 <Famic> any comment ?
Jun 02 20:20:59 <luke-jr> Python ships with WebOS?
Jun 02 20:22:19 <swisstomcat> i thought it was available, but probably not shipping with it
Jun 02 20:22:30 * halfhalo_class is playing with node.js
Jun 02 20:23:00 <HattCzech_work> luke-jr: i'm pretty sure you can install it through optware
Jun 02 20:24:50 <Tibfib> aww man. countdown isn't going to make top 221 by end of june :'(
Jun 02 20:25:03 <luke-jr> how can I search optware?
Jun 02 20:25:07 <HotDP> :D
Jun 02 20:25:07 <halfhalo_class> doitdoitdoit
Jun 02 20:25:29 <swisstomcat> of course you'll always have people that say that js is not a real language
Jun 02 20:25:42 <swisstomcat> luke-jr: preware :)
Jun 02 20:25:54 <luke-jr> ...?
Jun 02 20:26:00 <swisstomcat> moo shot up to #94 in hotapps
Jun 02 20:26:20 <swisstomcat> luke-jr: preware shows you the optware fees
Jun 02 20:26:23 <swisstomcat> feeds
Jun 02 20:26:43 <luke-jr> I don't have a GUI
Jun 02 20:27:05 <HattCzech_work> i don't know if preware gives you all optware options
Jun 02 20:27:12 <HattCzech_work> but you can do it through the command line
Jun 02 20:27:52 <luke-jr> how?
Jun 02 20:28:19 <oil> only some optware is setup for preware
Jun 02 20:29:29 <luke-jr> ....
Jun 02 20:30:36 <HotDP> DAMMIT! should header text be set like this: this.$.label1.setLabel("TITLE TEXT");
Jun 02 20:32:00 <HotDP> this.$.headername.setLabel("NameofHeaderchange); even?
Jun 02 20:33:30 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Jun 02 20:33:45 <HotDP> night
Jun 02 21:01:38 <halfhalo_class> I has a js webserver
Jun 02 21:18:32 <pandora--> halfhalo_class: orly?
Jun 02 21:18:33 <pandora--> why?
Jun 02 21:18:38 <halfhalo_class> si
Jun 02 21:18:45 <halfhalo_class> because it was the node.js example
Jun 02 21:18:47 <pandora--> like.... tomcat server running js in Java6?
Jun 02 21:18:56 <pandora--> or a webserver written in js?
Jun 02 21:19:01 <halfhalo_class> webserver written in hs
Jun 02 21:19:02 <halfhalo_class> js
Jun 02 21:19:28 <pandora--> heh
Jun 02 21:19:31 <pandora--> that's funny to me
Jun 02 21:19:44 <halfhalo_class> Mostly because node.js is supposed to be similar to js services iirc
Jun 02 21:30:33 <HattCzech_work> for anyone that was wondering... /usr/palm/emoticons is where the images for emoticons are stored
Jun 02 21:34:46 <HattCzech_work> now does anyone know if i can reference them without having them stored within my app?
Jun 02 21:35:02 <Tibfib> HattCzech_work: I don't think you can
Jun 02 21:35:21 <HattCzech_work> how irritating :/
Jun 02 21:35:35 <Tibfib> are you using runTextIndexer for emoticons?
Jun 02 21:35:58 <HattCzech_work> i don't know what runTextIndexer is... so no?
Jun 02 21:36:05 <HattCzech_work> but now i'm intrigued
Jun 02 21:36:28 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1861&Itemid=250#.runTextIndexer
Jun 02 21:38:03 <HattCzech_work> i'm reading some of the forum posts you have in the dev forums
Jun 02 21:38:30 <HattCzech_work> still only palm namespace?
Jun 02 21:38:31 <Tibfib> HattCzech_work: do PalmSystem.runTextIndexer(textVar); then textVar.replace(/file:\/\/\/usr\/palm\/emoticons\//gi, "images/emoticons/");
Jun 02 21:38:51 <Tibfib> Just put the emoticons into images/emoticons/ locally
Jun 02 21:39:11 <Tibfib> credit to catalystmedia for figuring it out
Jun 02 21:40:52 <HattCzech_work> i want it to look like the symbol menu... have you played with anything like that?
Jun 02 21:41:24 <Tibfib> nope
Jun 02 21:41:43 <halfhalo_class> Rahrahrah
Jun 02 21:41:51 <HattCzech_work> alrighty, i'll start playing around
Jun 02 22:08:28 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to do a multi-column list selector?
Jun 02 22:29:15 <MiX-MaN> what would be the best way to fully ensure everything is erased and restored back to the original condition?
Jun 02 22:29:45 <MiX-MaN> i wanna get rid of what ever is causing this huge power drain :\
Jun 02 22:31:32 <rwhitby> backup data, full erase, backup to clear your palm profile, then webOS doctor.
Jun 02 22:32:10 <MiX-MaN> thanks :D thats pretty much what i was gonna try
Jun 02 22:32:49 <MiX-MaN> im guessing i should create a new palm account also?
Jun 02 22:32:54 <MiX-MaN> to prevent all the apps from restoring
Jun 02 22:33:03 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 02 22:41:51 <MiX-MaN> aight.. i'll give it a go.. thanks
Jun 02 22:42:35 <BigBiff> is there a semi-accurate count of the number of pre's and pixi's actually in use?
Jun 02 22:42:49 <BigBiff> google doesnt return much
Jun 02 22:47:59 <CTLAdvance> no
Jun 02 22:48:08 <CTLAdvance> no sales numbers have been released as far as I know
Jun 02 22:49:58 <pandora--> yeah that would be /really/ good to know
Jun 02 22:50:07 <pandora--> my company has asked me a handful of times. i have no idea.
Jun 02 22:59:36 * HattCzech_work thinks 345,621
Jun 02 22:59:45 * HattCzech_work really has no idea
Jun 02 23:07:15 <HattCzech_work> nobody knows about multi-column list selectors? :/
Jun 02 23:12:58 <haeffb> what are multi-column list selectors?
Jun 02 23:19:40 <Nyceane> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/hp-palm-webos/
Jun 02 23:19:42 <Nyceane> lol
Jun 02 23:21:23 <HattCzech_work> like the symbol list
Jun 02 23:22:43 <haeffb> don't think that's a list selector
Jun 02 23:22:52 <haeffb> just a div that's popped up
Jun 02 23:22:55 <HattCzech_work> do you know what it is and how i can make one?
Jun 02 23:22:58 <HattCzech_work> hmmm...
Jun 02 23:24:35 <HattCzech_work> would you happen to know how that's called? is it a widget?
Jun 02 23:27:16 <vibol> Wow. HP CEO Mark Hurd: We didn't buy Palm to be in the smartphone business. And I tell people that, but it doesn't seem to resonate well. We bought it for the IP. The WebOS is one of the two ground-up pieces of software that is built as a web operating environment...We have tens of millions of HP small form factor web-connected devices...Now imagine that being a web-connected environment where now you can get a common look and feel and a co
Jun 02 23:58:08 <haeffb> HattCzech_work: no I don't think it's a widget.
Jun 02 23:58:43 <halfhalo_T400> So, in playing with node.js I made two small things
Jun 02 23:59:03 <haeffb> lies
Jun 02 23:59:18 <halfhalo_T400> One's a client the other is a server
Jun 03 00:00:12 <halfhalo_T400> and the client sends the server a uniqueid (think nuid), carrier, model, os ver, app name, and app ver
Jun 03 00:00:30 <halfhalo_T400> and the server tracks and records it
Jun 03 00:01:12 <halfhalo_T400> while the client isn't on the device, it should function pretty identical to the js services we do get
Jun 03 00:03:08 <halfhalo_T400> I wanted it to be a service so I could write it once and be done with it
Jun 03 00:16:16 <egaudet> is there a trick to getting good audio performance?  Like a sound for each tap to actually come through in sorta-real-time
Jun 03 00:44:33 <PurpleZero> Hey everyone, curious if anyone has any insight into a way to create vertical radio buttons?
Jun 03 00:50:27 <egaudet> what's the official API for vibrate?
Jun 03 00:51:02 <Roy-Pre101> PurpleZero: Going to have to use HTML for that.  There's no Mojo shortcut AFAIK.
Jun 03 00:51:58 <PurpleZero> thanks for the tip roy
Jun 03 01:02:30 <reality9110> Anybody know of a program that allows ajax requests responses to be analyzed?
Jun 03 01:15:38 <pandora--> reality9110: i use firebug in firefox
Jun 03 01:15:55 <pandora--> reality9110: but... on webos dev, i just dump it to the console
Jun 03 01:22:12 <reality9110> The response is continuous though
Jun 03 01:22:19 <reality9110> So I don't think that will console.log
Jun 03 01:28:37 <pandora--> what do you mean the response is continuous?
Jun 03 02:22:45 <LoneStar99> anyone here have an HP laptop?
Jun 03 02:22:57 <halfhalo> somewhere....
Jun 03 02:23:27 <halfhalo> someWHERE, over the rainbow!
Jun 03 02:23:56 <LoneStar99> my laptop is mostly connected to ac adapter, but the battery only charges sometimes...
Jun 03 02:24:19 <halfhalo> No idea if hp has charge levels set up
Jun 03 02:24:24 <halfhalo> my thinkpad does
Jun 03 02:24:38 <halfhalo> It won't charge the laptop unless its under a set percentage
Jun 03 02:25:00 <LoneStar99> oh have not noticed that on mine...
Jun 03 02:25:26 <LoneStar99> thinking something is beginning to fail
Jun 03 02:25:37 <halfhalo> possible
Jun 03 02:25:52 <halfhalo> I usually break my power adapters within 2 years
Jun 03 02:26:49 <LoneStar99> have had this machine less than a year...
Jun 03 02:27:06 <halfhalo> I have no idea
Jun 03 02:27:13 <halfhalo> go ask at forums.notebookreview.com
Jun 03 02:28:08 <LoneStar99> yeah doing some searches now
Jun 03 02:29:40 <LoneStar99> might be a windows issue
Jun 03 02:42:32 <LoneStar99> halfhalo:  seems to be an issue with HP laptops and possibly windows
Jun 03 02:51:46 <JenP> hi all
Jun 03 02:58:40 <haeffb> what up, JenP?
Jun 03 02:58:56 <JenP> haeffb hi! Decide on your vacation place?
Jun 03 02:59:06 <haeffb> Murrel's Inlet, SC
Jun 03 02:59:25 <JenP> cool!
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