**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 03 02:59:57 2010
Jun 03 03:00:12 <haeffb> we were there two years ago and had a good time
Jun 03 03:01:19 <JenP> nice! you can see how much it's changed
Jun 03 03:04:32 <haeffb> some sunrise photos from the last trip... http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/SCSunrises#
Jun 03 03:05:04 <JenP> oh that's so pretty
Jun 03 03:05:08 <JenP> when do you go?
Jun 03 03:05:16 <haeffb> July
Jun 03 03:05:44 <JenP> oh that's not gonna be nice
Jun 03 03:07:04 <haeffb> too hot?
Jun 03 03:07:28 <JenP> in SC?
Jun 03 03:07:47 <haeffb> yeah. no hotter than MO
Jun 03 03:08:04 <JenP> but you'll be by the water which is really nice
Jun 03 03:09:18 <JenP>  how's done doing?
Jun 03 03:09:51 <haeffb> rocketing up the charts to #200
Jun 03 03:10:04 <JenP> OMG that's awesome!
Jun 03 03:11:33 <haeffb> I need to get another update ready to go...keep it in "whats new"
Jun 03 03:11:50 <JenP> yes i know how that one feels
Jun 03 03:12:12 <JenP> how long does it take for them to reject a submittal if you request it?
Jun 03 03:13:24 <haeffb> it's never worked for me.
Jun 03 03:13:40 <JenP> hmmm that sucks.
Jun 03 03:14:16 <haeffb> Done 0.2.0 is "ready for review" but it looks like they're using it
Jun 03 03:14:38 <halfhalo> heh
Jun 03 03:14:43 <JenP> maybe it's about to be released?
Jun 03 03:15:47 <halfhalo> Only good car they have ever made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16hPBsw2Uy4&feature=player_embedded
Jun 03 03:29:23 <Amaranth> Hmm, Google Voice login is proving to be harder than I expected
Jun 03 03:29:50 <Amaranth> Bought myself a Pre Plus thinking "eh, I can just build a GV client for it and it'll be just as good as my android phone"
Jun 03 03:31:08 <Amaranth> Also, what NDA?
Jun 03 03:35:32 <halfhalo> Exactly!
Jun 03 03:37:49 <dpivs> hey gang.  anything interesting today?
Jun 03 03:40:56 <dpivs> where'd everyone go?
Jun 03 03:41:06 <halfhalo> the carnival
Jun 03 03:41:57 <dpivs> hey halfhalo, i thought something was wrong with my irc client, haha.  usually i see a message saying someone's logging on or off, but nothing tonight.
Jun 03 03:56:24 <HattCzech> anyone know how the symbol picker in webos is handled? (so that i might do something similar?)
Jun 03 04:58:34 <LoneStar99> another day without a new update, guess tomara is the day
Jun 03 04:59:30 <pandora--> os update?
Jun 03 05:00:37 <LoneStar99> neah app update
Jun 03 05:00:56 <LoneStar99> been slacking off
Jun 03 05:01:48 * rwhitby is considering releasing an app catalog app on the 2 July, cause then there won't be any updates of any other apps cause the hot apps contest will be over
Jun 03 05:02:06 <halfhalo> heh
Jun 03 05:02:21 <rwhitby> you'll sit at the top of the most recent apps for at least a week
Jun 03 05:03:35 <LoneStar99> yeah, but the app is ranked a 1
Jun 03 05:03:38 <LoneStar99> lol\
Jun 03 05:04:22 <LoneStar99> update is almost ready, but need to finalize some features and fix bugs
Jun 03 05:14:04 <LoneStar99> sorry not ranked 1 rated a 1
Jun 03 05:15:26 <LoneStar99> just thinking of building a totally new app, but sure, what it can do or provide
Jun 03 05:15:58 <LoneStar99> that consumers would like
Jun 03 05:17:02 <LoneStar99> will be right on the microphone api when it is availablr
Jun 03 05:20:40 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  how is your development going?
Jun 03 05:22:23 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: which development?
Jun 03 05:22:40 <LoneStar99> preware
Jun 03 05:23:33 <rwhitby> haven't touched Preware in at least a week I think
Jun 03 05:23:51 <halfhalo> tsktsktsk
Jun 03 05:24:33 <rwhitby> halfhalo: ah, that's a good thing.  it means that no-one is complaining about anything
Jun 03 05:25:17 * halfhalo pull-starts the bullshit complaining engine
Jun 03 05:25:37 <rwhitby> halfhalo: heh - you think I listen to one person complaining?
Jun 03 05:26:01 * halfhalo starts up the cloning machine.  Better yet, starts up a blog.
Jun 03 05:26:25 <LoneStar99> on the other end of complaining, my other app is featured right now, so that is great
Jun 03 05:26:38 <rwhitby> halfhalo: make sure you put some obsolete preware installation instructions that refer to the Package Manager Service on that new blog
Jun 03 05:27:06 <halfhalo> Oh I will.  And it shall be labeled 'The complaining blag'
Jun 03 05:28:05 <Megatherium> Have any of you here used a Pre with Linux, by any chance?
Jun 03 05:28:23 <halfhalo> What is this 'linux' you speak of?
Jun 03 05:28:31 <LoneStar99> Megatherium: rwhitby is your man
Jun 03 05:28:40 <halfhalo> Is that like windows?
Jun 03 05:28:46 <halfhalo> I like windows....
Jun 03 05:28:47 <rwhitby> halfhalo: yes, only better :)
Jun 03 05:29:22 <Megatherium> Yes, it's exactly like Windows, but with a different name, and used by hackers, terrorists, and crazy men with large imposing beards. (like Brian Blessed or Santa Claus)
Jun 03 05:29:24 <LoneStar99> windows is all i have right now, so can't be the sour apple
Jun 03 05:29:31 * halfhalo can act stupid forever after 'training' during his stint as in an it support role
Jun 03 05:30:17 <halfhalo> I like windows… I have a super new version… windows 95
Jun 03 05:31:09 <Megatherium> If it's not too much trouble: is there any reason any of you might know of that a Pre in USB mode wouldn't be detected by your standard Linux distro? (Ubuntu, in this case)
Jun 03 05:31:11 <rwhitby> halfhalo: 0.95?  you should get 3.1 - it's much better than 0.95
Jun 03 05:31:21 <halfhalo> hmmmmm
Jun 03 05:31:51 <halfhalo> True story:  Webserver logs still report theres at least 100 windows 95/98 computers on my camput
Jun 03 05:31:53 <halfhalo> campus
Jun 03 05:31:55 <rwhitby> Megatherium: usually cause novacomd isn't running
Jun 03 05:32:55 <LoneStar99> windows me is the shit
Jun 03 05:32:57 <Megatherium> I could've sworn that I installed it, but just in case I'm horribly wrong, I'll check again, thanks.
Jun 03 05:33:45 <rwhitby> Megatherium: check the palm developer forums - there's bound to be a thread on it
Jun 03 05:34:06 <Megatherium> I'll rummage around.
Jun 03 05:36:55 <LoneStar99> time 2 check the BP live feed
Jun 03 05:42:20 <LoneStar99> the BP leak is not their fault necessarily, the regulators and an industry problem, no other petroleum company has come to the plate to help, meaning they all have no answers to what occured
Jun 03 05:42:50 <LoneStar99> and they all drill just as risky wells
Jun 03 05:44:46 <Amaranth> rwhitby: USB mode wouldn't need novacomd would it? It should just show up as a boring mass storage device
Jun 03 06:00:22 <rwhitby> Amaranth: yeah, you're right - I missed the USB mode part of the question
Jun 03 06:12:55 <HotDP> Good morning
Jun 03 06:15:52 <LoneStar99> guten tag
Jun 03 06:17:59 <HotDP> Guten tag ;)
Jun 03 06:19:49 <HotDP> the damn hp news made my feelings about developing for webos a little on hold :s
Jun 03 06:21:45 <LoneStar99> HotDP:  it is the best thing that could happened
Jun 03 06:22:17 <HotDP> "HP CEO: 'We didn't buy Palm to be in the smartphone business'"
Jun 03 06:23:47 <HotDP> http://www.precentral.net/hp-ceo-we-didnt-buy-pal-mto-be-smartphone-business
Jun 03 06:24:51 <LoneStar99> it was bought so it can be mote brilliant
Jun 03 06:25:33 <HotDP> So you don't belive what he is saying?
Jun 03 06:25:38 <rwhitby> yawn
Jun 03 06:27:14 <Amaranth> Weird
Jun 03 06:27:35 <LoneStar99> it was bought so they can compete with android and iphone
Jun 03 06:27:59 <Amaranth> The galx value you get from the GV mobile page is the same as the auth token you get from the standard google login service
Jun 03 06:33:15 <HotDP> LoneStar99 , i know they said that. But what about that statement?
Jun 03 06:34:51 <rwhitby> I'd like to see the transcript of the whole presentation before believing some tech blog dude(who is probably getting money from Microsoft or Google)'s  excerpt from it.
Jun 03 06:35:19 <rwhitby> (the original report, not PreCentral)
Jun 03 06:35:20 <LoneStar99> HotDP: not sure what to say other than he is full of shit
Jun 03 06:36:17 <HotDP> I sure hope you are right :( I just got a bad feeling..
Jun 03 06:42:22 <LoneStar99> palm probably has more patents in the mobile sector than apple has ever applied for
Jun 03 06:42:55 <LoneStar99> 6,000+ patents
Jun 03 06:44:12 <LoneStar99> if HP does kill the brand I will go
Jun 03 06:45:03 <efuse> rwhitby
Jun 03 06:45:08 <efuse> your platform is dead
Jun 03 06:45:10 <efuse> get over it ;)
Jun 03 06:45:30 <LoneStar99> apple never sued Palm b/c Apple was infinging on Palm's patents
Jun 03 06:46:24 <LoneStar99> efuse: you might be right, so are you gonna feed Google or Apple?
Jun 03 06:47:00 <efuse> gooooooogle
Jun 03 06:47:12 <efuse> lesser evil
Jun 03 06:47:18 <HotDP> I am not worried about webos, BUT i am about smartphones with WebOS
Jun 03 06:47:19 <LoneStar99> cool go with android
Jun 03 06:47:27 <efuse> on the 4th i will
Jun 03 06:47:42 <LoneStar99> goodluck
Jun 03 06:47:53 <efuse> pre-ordered, shouldn't be a problem
Jun 03 06:48:15 <geist> whatdya get?
Jun 03 06:48:28 <efuse> evo
Jun 03 06:48:40 <LoneStar99> efuse: what you doing on webos, when you can be developing your brilliance at android
Jun 03 06:48:49 <efuse> lol
Jun 03 06:49:11 <LoneStar99> yeah this is webos not android
Jun 03 06:49:32 <geist> i'm partial to the N1, but that looks like a nice fone
Jun 03 06:49:37 <geist> same guts, mostly
Jun 03 06:49:44 <LoneStar99> do yourself a favor and develop a killer app with android
Jun 03 06:50:06 <efuse> yeah?
Jun 03 06:50:10 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 03 06:50:19 <LoneStar99> start now
Jun 03 06:50:34 <LoneStar99> waisting time here efuse
Jun 03 06:50:39 <efuse> lolllollolol
Jun 03 06:50:56 <LoneStar99> go build a java killer app for android
Jun 03 06:51:02 <efuse> hahahah
Jun 03 06:51:42 <LoneStar99> maybe an android phone that communicates with a toaster and the coffee make
Jun 03 06:51:44 <LoneStar99> r
Jun 03 06:52:54 * HotDP thinks LoneStar99 got a point!
Jun 03 06:54:13 <LoneStar99> then you will have google toast, with google coffee, and then google buys starbucks, so they can make an intelligent breakfast
Jun 03 06:57:59 <LoneStar99> a breakfast that perphaps talks back and tells: your calories, salt, etc. remember you are on google time. google knows more than everyone on this planet...
Jun 03 06:58:13 <LoneStar99> fuck google
Jun 03 06:58:58 <LoneStar99> i use yahoo search, and find everything there, without yahoo trying to rule the world
Jun 03 06:59:14 <HotDP> lol
Jun 03 06:59:20 <HotDP> i dont hope you are serius?+
Jun 03 06:59:31 <HotDP> i thought Bing was the shit :)
Jun 03 07:01:02 <LoneStar99> yahoo will soon be using bing algorithims
Jun 03 07:05:55 <LoneStar99> HotDP: you from switzerland?
Jun 03 07:07:26 <HotDP> No i am from Denmark
Jun 03 07:07:48 <HotDP> why did you think switzerland?
Jun 03 07:14:04 <LoneStar99> HotDP:  it was just a guess
Jun 03 07:14:26 <HotDP> ok :) i am from a none Palm country :s
Jun 03 07:15:01 <LoneStar99> have a palm but just use it for development
Jun 03 07:15:53 <HotDP> Where you from and why only for development?
Jun 03 07:16:57 <LoneStar99> US, cause do not believe in mobiles monthly plans
Jun 03 07:17:15 <HotDP> So what do you use then?
Jun 03 07:17:36 <LoneStar99> mycricket.com
Jun 03 07:19:43 <HotDP> oki
Jun 03 07:19:43 <LoneStar99> the only reason i build apps for webos, is b/c it is a great mobile dev  os
Jun 03 07:21:57 <LoneStar99> google is a great company, but do not ever want to rely on them for everything, as most are doing
Jun 03 07:22:40 <LoneStar99> google just needs to buy 3 companies, then everyone will be google
Jun 03 07:23:15 <LoneStar99> starbucks, twitter, mcdonalds, and forgot one facebook
Jun 03 07:23:29 <geist> yay mcgoogle
Jun 03 07:23:44 <geist> mcstarfacetwitoogle
Jun 03 07:23:45 <LoneStar99> yeah - they are almost there
Jun 03 07:23:49 <rwhitby> do you want buzz with that?
Jun 03 07:24:16 <HotDP> When you say like that i thnk it is funny
Jun 03 07:24:33 <HotDP> Google said they made android so Apple did not rule trhem all
Jun 03 07:24:49 <HotDP> but now you say that Google rule them all?
Jun 03 07:25:02 <geist> not true. they started android before apple shipped
Jun 03 07:25:06 <geist> long before
Jun 03 07:26:24 <LoneStar99> remember googles CEO was on the board of apple, so he knew what was going on with apple
Jun 03 07:26:52 <geist> he can't materially use that
Jun 03 07:26:55 <LoneStar99> that is why steve jobs is pissed at google
Jun 03 07:27:04 <LoneStar99> well he did
Jun 03 07:27:21 <geist> that's a pretty bold accusation
Jun 03 07:27:32 <HotDP> A little "off topic" have there ever been any Palm Employees on this chanel`?
Jun 03 07:27:37 <LoneStar99> yeah it is, but it only makes sense
Jun 03 07:27:45 <geist> <-- palm employee
Jun 03 07:28:15 <geist> LoneStar99: at the time he'd step out of the room. he was not present at any of the board meetings that discussed any iphone stuff
Jun 03 07:28:16 <HotDP> Ok, cool
Jun 03 07:28:48 <geist> or so that was the official story. that's what is required of the position
Jun 03 07:28:49 <LoneStar99> geist: how do we know?
Jun 03 07:28:58 <geist> how do you know the opposite?
Jun 03 07:29:26 <geist> it's a funny business. essentially everyone knows what everyone else is doing
Jun 03 07:29:34 <LoneStar99> b/c it is the only thing that makes sense
Jun 03 07:29:37 <geist> but the key is you can't materially act on it, unless you can find another way to 'know'
Jun 03 07:29:53 <geist> but anyway, it's moot. android got started somewhat before iphone
Jun 03 07:31:29 <LoneStar99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone  2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) 2008
Jun 03 07:31:44 <geist> that was when it was released
Jun 03 07:31:54 <geist> i know 100% for a fact when android got started and when iphone got started
Jun 03 07:31:58 <geist> because i was *there*
Jun 03 07:33:23 <geist> though for the most part they overlapped, and both knew
Jun 03 07:33:25 <LoneStar99> http://uoid.me/resign1 2009 Eric Schmidt resigned
Jun 03 07:34:46 <rwhitby> HotDP: there are usually at least 5 Palm employees idling here
Jun 03 07:35:49 <LoneStar99> like Steve Jobs said: we did not enter the search market, google entered the phone market
Jun 03 07:36:25 <geist> what did happen to android is they were pretty far along the way when iphone came out and kind of pull the rug out from underneath em
Jun 03 07:36:41 <geist> since now you have to be touchpanel based or you suck, etc
Jun 03 07:36:48 <geist> so they had a bit of a reset
Jun 03 07:36:50 <HotDP> Ok i have never heard anything and sometimes there is nothing going on in here. But that is good news. So they have a feeling about what there is talking about
Jun 03 07:37:11 <LoneStar99> perphaps, but Mr. Schmidt knew what he was doing at the time
Jun 03 07:37:19 * geist shrugs
Jun 03 07:37:45 <geist> knowing and acting on what you know are completely different things
Jun 03 07:38:03 <geist> like i said, everyone mostly knows what everyone else is doing here in silicon valley
Jun 03 07:38:17 <geist> it's the details that actually matter
Jun 03 07:39:00 <LoneStar99> i agree, but not when the ceo is on the board of another company
Jun 03 07:39:50 <LoneStar99> which is developing something which your own company releases 6 months later as an alpha
Jun 03 07:40:09 <geist> bold accusation, man
Jun 03 07:40:32 <geist> and you should also add 'and had been working on for 3 years prior'
Jun 03 07:41:09 <geist> it's not like they suddenly busted out android because he saw some demo of an iphone
Jun 03 07:41:16 <geist> they had been working on that for a long time
Jun 03 07:41:37 <geist> anyway, why i am defending this i dont know. it's late.
Jun 03 07:42:07 <LoneStar99> bold, but maybe what u are saying is true, maybe what i am saying is true
Jun 03 07:42:29 <geist> well, except the part where you're wrong :)
Jun 03 07:42:52 <LoneStar99> i can't
Jun 03 07:42:53 <geist> reality is much more boring than fantasy
Jun 03 07:43:32 <geist> what really was going on was everyone saw the writing on the wall at the same time and started trying to develop their own solution for the newly expanding smartphone market
Jun 03 07:43:42 <geist> most of them got shelved after a couple years
Jun 03 07:43:51 <geist> a few made it
Jun 03 07:44:02 <LoneStar99> we all have opinions, and that is what counts
Jun 03 07:45:49 <LoneStar99> will say if android was being built 3 years prior, the ceo of google should have neve been on the board
Jun 03 07:46:09 <LoneStar99> conflict of interest
Jun 03 07:46:13 <geist> i was personally in a weird position through a lot of that. i had worked at Danger with a lot of the founding team of Android, and watched a bunch of them leave to go there. It was secret from it's inception (2005), but I regularly keep up with them
Jun 03 07:46:28 <geist> so for the most part i've known exactly what's going on there
Jun 03 07:46:36 <LoneStar99> the ceo of google broke federal laws
Jun 03 07:46:37 <geist> at the same time i went to work at Apple on iphone at the same time
Jun 03 07:46:43 <geist> which of course was super secret
Jun 03 07:47:14 <geist> LoneStar99: conflict of interest is not illegal. acting on it is
Jun 03 07:47:36 <geist> if even that is
Jun 03 07:47:41 <LoneStar99> he acted on it, hence android is out
Jun 03 07:47:55 <geist> i give up
Jun 03 07:52:43 <HotDP> Is it easy to create context menu?
Jun 03 07:56:56 <HotDP> hmm is it called sub-menu`?
Jun 03 07:57:37 <LoneStar99> sub-menu of the main menu on the right?
Jun 03 07:59:14 <HotDP> I just want a "popup" menu when i press a panel, i have seen it in other apps
Jun 03 07:59:25 <HotDP> dont know what it is called?
Jun 03 08:00:24 <LoneStar99> HotDP: have build apps, but use my own UI when it comes to Pop ups etc
Jun 03 08:01:15 <HotDP> I don't understand? you don't use small "context menues" but push new scenes?
Jun 03 08:01:42 <HotDP> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/8/8e/Browser-add-open-url-menu-option-1.png
Jun 03 08:01:52 <HotDP> that is what i am looking for
Jun 03 08:03:25 <LoneStar99> have used one, but it is custom code
Jun 03 08:03:51 <HotDP> what is it called? so i can search for it?
Jun 03 08:04:56 <HotDP> I think i found it
Jun 03 08:05:58 <LoneStar99> http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/public/1019/en/images/2/L/bas_172.png
Jun 03 08:06:15 <LoneStar99> similar to a context but custom
Jun 03 08:06:47 <HotDP> cool
Jun 03 08:08:15 <LoneStar99> assuming you where looking for more webos look
Jun 03 08:29:02 <LoneStar99> adios HotDP need to get some sleep before, i am a hated man
Jun 03 11:43:04 <swisstomcat> hey
Jun 03 12:03:44 <HotDP> hey swisstomcat
Jun 03 12:03:53 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Jun 03 12:07:41 <swisstomcat> wow, 12455 moo downloads in the last 6 days :)
Jun 03 12:08:09 <HotDP> Nice, what app?
Jun 03 12:08:11 <haeffb> being featured is good
Jun 03 12:08:26 <swisstomcat> how do you get featured?
Jun 03 12:08:30 <swisstomcat> hotdp: Moo
Jun 03 12:09:08 <HotDP> omg
Jun 03 12:09:18 <HotDP> where did you get the ideer from ?
Jun 03 12:09:21 <haeffb> how did you get featured?
Jun 03 12:09:34 <haeffb> as far as I know, it just "happens"
Jun 03 12:11:32 <HotDP> If you do alot for the comunity you can get featured
Jun 03 12:11:41 <HotDP> is what i have read
Jun 03 12:19:41 <haeffb> Done 0.2.0 now in app catalog...
Jun 03 12:21:59 <HotDP> what app are you doing?
Jun 03 12:48:12 <swisstomcat> haeffb: how is the german version coming along?
Jun 03 13:03:19 <Frankk_webos> hi everybody
Jun 03 13:03:50 <Frankk_webos> I have a question on variables scope in prototype activation function
Jun 03 13:04:39 <Frankk_webos> I pass some parameters from a scene to another in a new app i'm working on
Jun 03 13:04:51 <Frankk_webos> there parameters are valid in the setup function.
Jun 03 13:05:01 <Frankk_webos> I would like to use them in the activate function
Jun 03 13:05:25 <Frankk_webos> I know I have to use bind to use in a handler function of an event
Jun 03 13:05:34 <Frankk_webos> but how to use them in activate function?
Jun 03 13:05:48 <Frankk_webos> can someone help me please?
Jun 03 13:05:50 <Frankk_webos> thank you.
Jun 03 13:06:04 <swisstomcat> hi
Jun 03 13:06:35 <swisstomcat> how do you pass the parameters?
Jun 03 13:06:38 <swisstomcat> can you post the code?
Jun 03 13:06:55 <Frankk_webos> function RisultatoAssistant(photo1_path, photo2_path) {
Jun 03 13:06:56 <Frankk_webos> 	   this.photo1_path=photo1_path;
Jun 03 13:06:56 <Frankk_webos> 	   this.photo2_path=photo2_path;
Jun 03 13:06:56 <Frankk_webos> }
Jun 03 13:07:25 <Frankk_webos> I can access these values in the setup function
Jun 03 13:08:15 <swisstomcat> where are you calling the other scene?
Jun 03 13:08:53 <swisstomcat> can you post that code too?
Jun 03 13:09:01 <Frankk_webos> I am calling "risultato" scene from a "foto2" scene, here is the code
Jun 03 13:09:27 <Frankk_webos> 	Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("risultato", this.photo1_path, this.photo2_path);
Jun 03 13:09:50 <swisstomcat> looks good
Jun 03 13:10:23 <Frankk_webos> the values are actually passed, in fact i can use them in the setup function of "risultato" scene
Jun 03 13:10:31 <swisstomcat> yes
Jun 03 13:11:31 <swisstomcat> but you can't use them in the activate function?
Jun 03 13:11:51 <Frankk_webos> but if I do: Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("2: "+this.photo1_path); in activate function I get "2: undefined"
Jun 03 13:13:34 <Frankk_webos> I think i'm missing something related to variables scope
Jun 03 13:13:35 <swisstomcat> strange
Jun 03 13:13:37 <swisstomcat> that should work
Jun 03 13:14:11 <swisstomcat> if you do Mojo.Log.info(photo1_path); in setup you can see the correct value?
Jun 03 13:14:42 <Frankk_webos> I tryed with an error dialog and I see the correct value in setup
Jun 03 13:17:11 <swisstomcat> it should work
Jun 03 13:17:19 <swisstomcat> i'm doing the same
Jun 03 13:18:01 <Frankk_webos> i think i found the problem.
Jun 03 13:18:05 <Frankk_webos> typo, sorry
Jun 03 13:18:11 <Frankk_webos> i'm going to test
Jun 03 13:19:30 <Frankk_webos> yes, working now, sorry for the disturb
Jun 03 13:37:51 <swisstomcat> good you found the error
Jun 03 13:47:48 <swisstomcat> haeffb: how is the german version coming along?
Jun 03 14:01:54 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how the symbol picker is handled and how i might do something similar? haeffb suggested it was a popped-up div... but does anyone have some examples?
Jun 03 14:04:31 <swisstomcat> not really
Jun 03 14:04:45 <swisstomcat> you could check out the virtual keyboard
Jun 03 14:06:03 <Bmyers> morn'n
Jun 03 14:06:55 <BigBiff> aye
Jun 03 14:08:26 <Bmyers> hi BigBiff haeffb_pre
Jun 03 14:09:25 <BigBiff> howdy howdy
Jun 03 14:09:26 <HattCzech_work> i wonder if oil is around...
Jun 03 14:09:30 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 03 14:09:44 <HattCzech_work> morning
Jun 03 14:11:39 <Bmyers> anyone see what HP's CIO had to say about HP being in the smartphone business?
Jun 03 14:11:58 <Bmyers> he said they are not going to be in the smartphone business
Jun 03 14:14:39 <BigBiff> that doesn't bode well
Jun 03 14:14:41 <swisstomcat> read the latest article
Jun 03 14:15:02 <swisstomcat> CEOs say the darndest things: 'Smartphones are  just another connected device to us
Jun 03 14:15:10 <swisstomcat> http://www.precentral.net/ceos-say-darndest-things-smartphones-are-just-another-connected-device-us
Jun 03 14:15:14 <swisstomcat> of course the damage has already been done
Jun 03 14:15:32 <BigBiff> 1 mill webos users vs 90 mill iphones
Jun 03 14:19:30 <haeffb_pre> morning
Jun 03 14:19:35 <CTLAdvance> Morning
Jun 03 14:19:43 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I saw what the CIO said as well
Jun 03 14:20:00 <CTLAdvance> I almost think its more inclined to mean slate like devices with phone capabilities
Jun 03 14:20:07 <CTLAdvance> like a 4 or 5 inch slate phone
Jun 03 14:20:20 <swisstomcat> way to punch your current customers in the face
Jun 03 14:20:27 <swisstomcat> to say something like this
Jun 03 14:20:29 <swisstomcat> :(
Jun 03 14:20:33 <CTLAdvance> They arent their current customers yet
Jun 03 14:20:39 <swisstomcat> even worse
Jun 03 14:20:40 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Jun 03 14:20:54 <swisstomcat> your future customers
Jun 03 14:21:23 <CTLAdvance> Yeah and even worse is my device is now a year old
Jun 03 14:21:31 <CTLAdvance> And I am looking to get something new
Jun 03 14:21:36 <CTLAdvance> and no new devices are out
Jun 03 14:21:50 <CTLAdvance> so again I have to get something other than a palm device
Jun 03 14:22:00 <CTLAdvance> I think alot of people will leave now
Jun 03 14:22:08 <CTLAdvance> unfortunately
Jun 03 14:22:32 <BigBiff> well at least we haven't heard of palm factory employees killing themselves like the apple/dell factory in china
Jun 03 14:22:44 <CTLAdvance> They have no upgrade option at this point if they still have there pre, except to get a berry, winmo or worse android
Jun 03 14:23:25 <CTLAdvance> foxconn... yeah
Jun 03 14:24:07 <BigBiff> 'sign zi papers!'
Jun 03 14:24:47 <swisstomcat> why jump ship already after just one year?
Jun 03 14:24:59 <CTLAdvance> What I dont like is that the CIO said they werent really behind smartphones
Jun 03 14:25:29 <CTLAdvance> which regardless of what the CEO says, if your CIO says something it usually bodes bad for the sector. CIO still hold weight
Jun 03 14:25:55 <CTLAdvance> So well probably see a tablet, or printer before a phone. That is unless they have something in the pipe
Jun 03 14:26:48 <swisstomcat> the CEO said both things
Jun 03 14:27:03 <swisstomcat> "Smartphones are just another connected device  to us"
Jun 03 14:27:11 <swisstomcat> but i agree, the damage is done already
Jun 03 14:27:58 <swisstomcat> and from palm .. we hear nothing
Jun 03 14:28:26 <HattCzech_work_> we can only hope that they're saving something... BIG
Jun 03 14:28:48 <CTLAdvance> What I think is bad mojo for the webos community, is the fact that pre 1 owners are now off contract and there is nothing to upgrade to.
Jun 03 14:29:01 <CTLAdvance> or will be starting in 3 days
Jun 03 14:29:14 <swisstomcat> how can you be off contract?
Jun 03 14:29:19 <swisstomcat> doesn't it just go on?
Jun 03 14:29:24 <CTLAdvance> device launched on 6/6 for sprint
Jun 03 14:29:35 <CTLAdvance> and most people now get a 1 year upgrade option
Jun 03 14:29:53 <BigBiff> as for marketing, you can't turn on a tv without seeing an ad for that little windows phone
Jun 03 14:30:05 <swisstomcat> kin?
Jun 03 14:30:12 <CTLAdvance> the kin has a nice front end
Jun 03 14:30:12 <BigBiff> ya
Jun 03 14:30:17 <CTLAdvance> drag everything to the spot
Jun 03 14:30:26 <CTLAdvance> its not complicated
Jun 03 14:30:30 <swisstomcat> we as devs can't make apps for kin
Jun 03 14:30:38 <CTLAdvance> I bet they sell millions for its dumb factor
Jun 03 14:30:45 <BigBiff> yup
Jun 03 14:31:15 <BigBiff> especially the 16-24 yr old demo
Jun 03 14:31:37 <CTLAdvance> yeah but even the older generation who still use regular phones
Jun 03 14:31:44 <CTLAdvance> who want to get connected
Jun 03 14:32:41 <CTLAdvance> it would be smart for Palm to drop a new phone with disgusting specs tegra 2 maybe? after the apple event next week
Jun 03 14:32:58 <swisstomcat> hard to say
Jun 03 14:33:00 <CTLAdvance> but I doubt that will happen
Jun 03 14:33:11 <swisstomcat> palm is in the quiet position until the merger is over
Jun 03 14:33:27 <CTLAdvance> yeah, I agree
Jun 03 14:33:38 <swisstomcat> which is not good
Jun 03 14:33:50 <HattCzech_work_> agreed... not good at all
Jun 03 14:34:07 <CTLAdvance> Unfortunately like I said, I bet many people who bought the sprint pre who now qualify for the early upgrade, will get something like an evo
Jun 03 14:34:09 <HattCzech_work_> new iphone being announced/released soon... palm needs to announce something
Jun 03 14:34:36 <HattCzech_work_> i have been considering an evo :/
Jun 03 14:35:32 <swisstomcat> unwiredben (palm) : There's nothing I can say right now (we're in a quiet period, the deal  hasn't completed, and this is all way above my pay grade)
Jun 03 14:35:34 <CTLAdvance> I am waiting for windows phone 7 series on sprint if we dont get another webos dev soon
Jun 03 14:36:55 <swisstomcat> good luck writing html5 apps for windows phone 7
Jun 03 14:37:17 <CTLAdvance> What is most likely is a new device being kept under lock and key (a lock box maybe) and ready to release once HP completes the purchase
Jun 03 14:37:27 <HattCzech_work_> CTLAdvance: HOPEFULLY
Jun 03 14:37:28 <CTLAdvance> that way they can get it out by the holiday maybe
Jun 03 14:37:32 <HattCzech_work_> i would really like that
Jun 03 14:38:00 <CTLAdvance> unfortunately I may have already used my upgrade credit by then
Jun 03 14:39:32 <HattCzech_work_> i'll hold out a bit longer
Jun 03 14:41:37 <CTLAdvance> I will probably buy some sort of tablet to hold me over
Jun 03 14:42:01 <CTLAdvance> Windows Embeded 7 tablets look sweet.
Jun 03 14:42:40 <swisstomcat> ctladvance: same thing here ... good luck with web/html5 apps
Jun 03 14:43:05 <CTLAdvance> on which?
Jun 03 14:43:37 <CTLAdvance> hopefully they will have a nice toolkit for visual studio
Jun 03 14:44:00 <swisstomcat> both
Jun 03 14:44:03 <HattCzech_work> i waited a whole week to get the pre :) but looks like i'm eligible as of tuesday (6/1) for an upgrade
Jun 03 14:44:09 <swisstomcat> win7 mobile/win embedded
Jun 03 14:44:19 <swisstomcat> how's the browser on those?
Jun 03 14:44:28 <swisstomcat> <ie9? probably
Jun 03 14:44:32 <swisstomcat> fail
Jun 03 14:45:16 <CTLAdvance> ie9 is actually really good
Jun 03 14:45:28 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 03 14:45:28 <CTLAdvance> if you have used the release they gave us
Jun 03 14:45:37 <CTLAdvance> oh I see the <
Jun 03 14:45:37 <swisstomcat> that was not my point
Jun 03 14:45:39 <CTLAdvance> :D
Jun 03 14:45:45 <CTLAdvance> yeah I know
Jun 03 14:45:48 <swisstomcat> it's not on win7 mobile/win embedded
Jun 03 14:46:09 <CTLAdvance> No it will be the best of 8 (at least its secure)
Jun 03 14:46:17 <swisstomcat> and then?
Jun 03 14:46:18 <CTLAdvance> IE9 will probably come once its released
Jun 03 14:46:25 <swisstomcat> css3/canvas/svg/...
Jun 03 14:46:29 <CTLAdvance> I am sure well get some native apps like ff
Jun 03 14:46:37 <swisstomcat> how?
Jun 03 14:46:56 <swisstomcat> i thought it's silverlight only
Jun 03 14:47:03 <CTLAdvance> well wp7 is based on silver... but they will have the ability for native apps
Jun 03 14:47:04 <swisstomcat> that's what they said
Jun 03 14:47:20 <CTLAdvance> just like palm did
Jun 03 14:47:23 <swisstomcat> for 3party apps too?
Jun 03 14:47:32 <swisstomcat> 3rdparty
Jun 03 14:47:43 <CTLAdvance> windows 7 embeded will be just like ce except its based on its new embeded system which is based on windows 7
Jun 03 14:48:00 <CTLAdvance> They will def have a visual studio plugin for this for embeded apps
Jun 03 14:48:00 <swisstomcat> it's based on windows ce
Jun 03 14:48:17 <swisstomcat> sure
Jun 03 14:48:31 <CTLAdvance> they took a lot of core pieces of 7 and made it their next version of ce
Jun 03 14:48:40 <swisstomcat> but then you'll have to code in java for android, objective-c for iphone, silverlight for winmobile
Jun 03 14:48:48 <CTLAdvance> yeah :/
Jun 03 14:48:55 <swisstomcat> see my point?
Jun 03 14:48:58 <CTLAdvance> oh yeah
Jun 03 14:49:04 <CTLAdvance> I agree, its a pain in the arse
Jun 03 14:49:23 <swisstomcat> at least there's phonegap
Jun 03 14:49:28 <CTLAdvance> you will need a good set of ref material for when your switching back and forth
Jun 03 14:49:29 <swisstomcat> and similar stuff
Jun 03 14:49:57 <swisstomcat> webos,android,iphone,bb all have a great browser
Jun 03 14:50:20 <swisstomcat> why can't MS have one too?
Jun 03 14:50:39 <CTLAdvance> The problem MS hays is that they lost the head nerd in charge
Jun 03 14:50:39 <swisstomcat> would make life easier
Jun 03 14:50:41 <swisstomcat> and switching platform too
Jun 03 14:50:53 <CTLAdvance> if gates was still the ceo things would be different
Jun 03 14:51:32 <Megatherium> No, Gates or not, MS's stuff has rarely ever been good.
Jun 03 14:51:49 <CTLAdvance> hah thats why they are around 95% market share
Jun 03 14:51:53 <CTLAdvance> k thanks
Jun 03 14:52:38 <Megatherium> CTLAdvance: No, that was due to a combination of smart business practices, luck, possibly illegal activities and their competitors fighting amongst themselves.
Jun 03 14:53:18 <Megatherium> For example, the Mac platform pretty much could've owned computing pretty early on, but Jobs and his closed hardware obsession killed that option. (sounds familiar, no?)
Jun 03 14:53:31 <CTLAdvance> Lets face it, in the beginning there were many competitors, OS2, apple, xerox, a few others
Jun 03 14:53:43 <CTLAdvance> the market went to who built a better product for users
Jun 03 14:53:53 <CTLAdvance> however
Jun 03 14:54:25 <swisstomcat> oh, how i remember os/2 :)
Jun 03 14:54:30 <Megatherium> What utter nonsense. Windows was barely usable until NT 3.5 came along, and the home versions sucked for years after.
Jun 03 14:55:11 <swisstomcat> who cares what os you have if you have a good browser? :) (for most stuff)
Jun 03 14:55:37 <CTLAdvance> I have to disagree with that. Windows machines were always more stable than macs in my opinion and usage than any of our apple machines were
Jun 03 14:55:42 <CTLAdvance> until xp and osx
Jun 03 14:55:42 <pandora--> swisstomcat: it's certainly getting to there
Jun 03 14:55:50 <CTLAdvance> then they swapped
Jun 03 14:55:56 <Megatherium> OS/2 was mismanaged by IBM, Amiga went broke due to bad management, Apple was obsessed over staying closed, BeOS died due to Microsoft threatening OEMs (and later had to pay a large settlement to keep it out of court), RiscOS got ignored when Acorn spun off ARM, and so on...
Jun 03 14:56:17 <pandora--> heh
Jun 03 14:56:22 <CTLAdvance> nice
Jun 03 14:56:25 <pandora--> Be was awesome
Jun 03 14:56:53 <Megatherium> Oh, and NeXT suffered due to overpriced hardware, but eventually became OS X.
Jun 03 14:57:03 <pandora--> true
Jun 03 14:57:17 <pandora--> i bought mine blackmarket style
Jun 03 14:57:22 <Megatherium> While none of those alternatives was perfect, most of them beat the crap out of Microsoft's offerings.
Jun 03 14:57:34 <pandora--> so it was like $20 for a NeXT Color slab with monitor
Jun 03 14:57:53 <pandora--> and my IRIX Indigo2
Jun 03 14:57:57 <pandora--> and Indy
Jun 03 14:58:02 <CTLAdvance> If windows was so horrible, you would see a huge shift in market share from windows to either ubuntu and or mac. However you havent seen that and according to you, windows has sucked since its inception
Jun 03 14:58:08 <pandora--> oh SGI... so sad
Jun 03 14:58:46 <Megatherium> CTLAdvance: It was horrible... emphasis on was. Now it's okay, and the competition's also died down. Plus it has inertia from market penetration.
Jun 03 14:58:46 <swisstomcat> there is not big shift in market share because people don't like to change
Jun 03 14:58:57 <swisstomcat> how many people know the alternatives?
Jun 03 14:59:02 <Megatherium> Few.
Jun 03 14:59:07 <swisstomcat> how many people know the alternatives to IE?
Jun 03 14:59:23 <swisstomcat> how many people have windows and got iphones?
Jun 03 14:59:24 <CTLAdvance> Apple is huge, you cant fart without seeing an apple ad or commercial
Jun 03 14:59:35 <CTLAdvance> IE is a different story, IE is just wrong at this point
Jun 03 14:59:37 <swisstomcat> how many people have windows and got androids?
Jun 03 14:59:48 <CTLAdvance> when the world moves to different standards then your using you need to support them
Jun 03 15:00:08 <Megatherium> I predict this whole closed App Store thing is gonna come back and bite Apple in the butt a few years down the road.
Jun 03 15:00:12 <CTLAdvance> MS should have updated IE 8 by now to support CSS3, and HTML5
Jun 03 15:00:23 <swisstomcat> ie9 isn't out until 2011
Jun 03 15:00:26 <swisstomcat> bah
Jun 03 15:00:37 <swisstomcat> well, no more windows for me
Jun 03 15:00:38 <CTLAdvance> what I think is interesting for apple, is are they going to move osx in the same direction
Jun 03 15:00:45 <swisstomcat> that's the only thing you can do
Jun 03 15:01:05 <CTLAdvance> android is different
Jun 03 15:01:14 <CTLAdvance> android is selling because its backed by google
Jun 03 15:01:16 <Megatherium> CTLAdvance: If that happens, it'll kill the Mac pretty quickly. People have very different expectations of a phone vs a computer.
Jun 03 15:01:26 <CTLAdvance> otherwise its not much different than windows mobile user wise
Jun 03 15:01:37 <CTLAdvance> I know its got different back end, but really
Jun 03 15:02:08 <CTLAdvance> Megatherium I agree, but jobs would do it if he could.
Jun 03 15:02:19 <CTLAdvance> I do think you will see a mac app store eventually
Jun 03 15:02:33 <swisstomcat> that could be
Jun 03 15:02:40 <swisstomcat> since there's an ubuntu store too
Jun 03 15:02:49 <swisstomcat> the rise of app stores
Jun 03 15:02:59 <Megatherium> A Mac App Store is fine. Such as a store as the only option to get anything on the machine will drive people away from the Mac in droves.
Jun 03 15:03:23 <Megatherium> Such a store*
Jun 03 15:03:44 <swisstomcat> and there's the chrome store
Jun 03 15:03:47 <swisstomcat> for web apps
Jun 03 15:03:58 <swisstomcat> standards are needed
Jun 03 15:04:59 <CTLAdvance> yeah I agree, if they lock it down... not good
Jun 03 15:05:27 <swisstomcat> there's more choice than just mac or windows
Jun 03 15:05:30 <CTLAdvance> the chrome store is a bad idea in my opinion
Jun 03 15:05:41 <swisstomcat> it's similar to the palm app store
Jun 03 15:05:46 <CTLAdvance> especially if everyone decides its genius to charge for their app and then kill the site itself
Jun 03 15:05:48 <swisstomcat> even technically
Jun 03 15:05:57 <CTLAdvance> I understand that
Jun 03 15:06:05 <CTLAdvance> but we are talking two different things
Jun 03 15:06:17 <CTLAdvance> palm has device apps which make the device usable
Jun 03 15:06:21 <swisstomcat> right
Jun 03 15:06:29 <CTLAdvance> then google comes in and tries to militarise the browser
Jun 03 15:07:00 <CTLAdvance> which I would assume alot of it is free, however I think alot of people will try and charge for their apps
Jun 03 15:07:17 <swisstomcat> yeah, i wonder how that is going to work out (even technically)
Jun 03 15:07:19 <CTLAdvance> until they cant sell them and make them free which 70% of android apps are
Jun 03 15:07:30 <CTLAdvance> yeah not sure
Jun 03 15:07:45 <CTLAdvance> its an interesting experiment, but I am not sure I like it
Jun 03 15:07:55 <swisstomcat> we'll see how it works out, it's not ready for release yet
Jun 03 15:08:06 <swisstomcat> i'm conflicted about it
Jun 03 15:14:53 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jun 03 15:49:23 <LoneStar99> morning everyone
Jun 03 15:52:02 <pandora--> mornin
Jun 03 15:53:16 <pandora--> woo submitted another app to the store
Jun 03 15:53:26 <pandora--> after much rebranding at the request of palm
Jun 03 15:54:15 <LoneStar99> pandora: great which app is this?
Jun 03 15:55:20 <pandora--> Yammer client
Jun 03 15:57:08 <pandora--> yammer's api is the most retarded api i've ever coded against
Jun 03 15:57:32 <LoneStar99> is available on the app cat yet?
Jun 03 15:57:58 <LoneStar99> really never heard of yammer, but sounds interesting
Jun 03 15:59:35 <LoneStar99> ok reading on yammer
Jun 03 15:59:51 <LoneStar99> microblogging client for businesses...
Jun 03 16:09:08 <pandora--> LoneStar99: yup
Jun 03 16:09:18 <pandora--> LoneStar99: they've been growing really quickly
Jun 03 16:09:26 <pandora--> my company uses them too
Jun 03 16:09:52 <pandora--> it's cool, it's a private 'twitter' for your company
Jun 03 16:10:05 <pandora--> so teams can use that to keep other people/teams updated on stuff
Jun 03 16:10:14 <pandora--> or outages, or new deals, etc.
Jun 03 16:10:35 <pandora--> and it's all private to the company, so you don't have to be careful of what you're saying as you would in a public forum
Jun 03 16:13:54 <pandora--> it was frustrating not having a Yammer client for palm (they have iphone/bb/android)
Jun 03 16:14:01 <pandora--> so i wrote one
Jun 03 16:15:46 <LoneStar99> pandora: sounds awesome
Jun 03 16:15:57 <LoneStar99> is it avaliable now?
Jun 03 16:19:28 <pandora--> my app? no
Jun 03 16:19:32 <pandora--> just resubmitted it today
Jun 03 16:19:45 <LoneStar99> oh ok, so in a few days
Jun 03 16:19:57 <pandora--> Palm didn't like the original name
Jun 03 16:19:57 <LoneStar99> what is its title?
Jun 03 16:20:12 <pandora--> and Yammer didn't like that I used "similar colors" to their branding
Jun 03 16:20:13 <LoneStar99> what was the original name?
Jun 03 16:20:20 <pandora--> so I had to redo... all the branding lol
Jun 03 16:20:25 <pandora--> it was "Palmmer"
Jun 03 16:20:36 <pandora--> Palmmer: Yammer for Palm
Jun 03 16:20:40 <LoneStar99> lol awesome name
Jun 03 16:20:44 <pandora--> Palm did not approve :P
Jun 03 16:20:47 <pandora--> REJECTED.
Jun 03 16:20:52 <LoneStar99> =(
Jun 03 16:21:01 <pandora--> but, to resubmit i had to make a new app, which means I paid the $50 twice
Jun 03 16:21:02 <LoneStar99> it was a very catchy name
Jun 03 16:21:12 <pandora--> trying to get a refund for Palmmer's submission
Jun 03 16:21:19 <LoneStar99> no way, u paid $50 twice?
Jun 03 16:21:28 <halfhalo> That seems wrong
Jun 03 16:21:36 <LoneStar99> i think they should return $50
Jun 03 16:21:40 <pandora--> yeah, you can't change the ipk name within the same "application"
Jun 03 16:21:49 <halfhalo> ah
Jun 03 16:21:52 <pandora--> so i had to make a new application in the portal to upload the newly renamed ipk
Jun 03 16:22:00 <pandora--> weak
Jun 03 16:22:06 <halfhalo> the ipk name should mean didly squat, only the app name methinks
Jun 03 16:22:27 <LoneStar99> did not know that you lose $50 bucks if an app is rejected...
Jun 03 16:22:34 <pandora--> then Yammer is like "ok, we're approving you, but our marketing team would like to see the logo looking less like our logo, maybe a different color pallette?"
Jun 03 16:22:41 <pandora--> *sigh*
Jun 03 16:23:03 <pandora--> fine. you get orange logos yammer.
Jun 03 16:23:06 <pandora--> haha
Jun 03 16:23:23 <pandora--> LoneStar99: well, only if it's rejected for a brand infringing Name
Jun 03 16:23:36 <pandora--> LoneStar99: anything else you could change/fix/update without creating a NEW application in the portal
Jun 03 16:23:39 <LoneStar99> wow interesting
Jun 03 16:23:39 <halfhalo> bbl shoolz
Jun 03 16:24:27 <chuqui> if you have an app rejected and want to od a different app, if you use the same AppID< you can use the previous app you paid for and not need to pay a new fee. Youc an change everything out BUT the appID and put a new app in the place.
Jun 03 16:24:40 <chuqui> since nobody "sees" the appID, no reason not to.
Jun 03 16:27:12 <LoneStar99> morning chuqui
Jun 03 16:27:29 <chuqui> mornin'
Jun 03 16:29:37 <HattCzech_work> has anyone used localization with keys?
Jun 03 16:29:44 <HattCzech_work> i just tried it, and it didn't work
Jun 03 16:31:48 <HattCzech_work> uhhh...? now i'm more confused
Jun 03 16:32:14 <HattCzech_work> removed the key, but now it works with it
Jun 03 16:44:15 <pandora--> chuqui: yeah, but I was rejected for the 'name' of the app, which is also in the appid, I thought it safer on my part to be 100% compliant with Palm's request to rename
Jun 03 16:44:38 <pandora--> just to be safe and not have any more snags
Jun 03 16:45:09 <chuqui> pandora makes sense. but when we've had trademark issues with apps in the past, we haven't forced them to update the appID. FYI
Jun 03 16:46:32 <pandora--> reviewer didn't give me much direction with the rejection notice
Jun 03 16:46:46 <pandora--> if I knew that, I would have left it as-is
Jun 03 16:46:57 <pandora--> but, played it safe
Jun 03 16:47:19 <pandora--> but good to know :)
Jun 03 16:47:37 <pandora--> I just want it to hit the appstore
Jun 03 16:47:50 <pandora--> it's been quite the pain in the ass to get approved so far
Jun 03 16:47:54 <pandora--> by yammer too
Jun 03 16:48:05 <pandora--> they also had to review it
Jun 03 16:49:33 <PackratDragon> I have a general question about the PalmPre & WebOs.  I know that the OS behind the PalmPre is a form of lynix.  Does this mean that if I write a Lynix application, it can run as a native ap on the Pre?
Jun 03 16:52:22 <BigBiff> http://www.precentral.net/x-server-coming-webos-bringing-along-openoffice     ?
Jun 03 16:52:33 <BigBiff> ok, so im curious
Jun 03 16:52:55 <BigBiff> how many of you have apps on other platforms - and
Jun 03 16:53:08 <BigBiff> how well do they do vs webos
Jun 03 16:53:18 <BigBiff> as far as # of installs
Jun 03 16:53:46 <halfhalo_pre> applesauce
Jun 03 16:54:10 * BigBiff getting ready to feed baby applesauce
Jun 03 16:54:18 * BigBiff thinks of a nursing home
Jun 03 16:54:35 * BigBiff chin stubble on old lady
Jun 03 17:05:54 <LoneStar99> PackratDragon:  with the PDK you should be able to
Jun 03 17:12:25 <Rick_work> BigBiff  other platforms have more phones, but also have more competition.  it's a wash
Jun 03 17:14:04 <dunivan> hey hey
Jun 03 17:14:22 <BigBiff> that's what i figure too
Jun 03 17:15:38 <LoneStar99> no other apps other than webos
Jun 03 17:15:42 <Megatherium> Well, I wonder what the long-term future of WebOS phones is, given what the HP CEO said yesterday. It was a bit vague, really, so I'm not sure how it's going to play out.
Jun 03 17:15:44 <HattCzech_work> anyone use php and mysql for data collection from apps?
Jun 03 17:16:09 <LoneStar99> symbian, seems to have a promising os for mobile development
Jun 03 17:16:21 <Rick_work> They're unlikely to DROP the phones.
Jun 03 17:16:24 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: php here
Jun 03 17:16:33 <halfhalo_pre> same
Jun 03 17:16:40 <halfhalo_pre> and now node.js
Jun 03 17:16:44 <BigBiff> still lots of people out there using treos / centros
Jun 03 17:17:19 <HattCzech_work> i haven't played much with php, so i'm wondering where i would store my mysql connection information to keep it secure?
Jun 03 17:17:41 <BigBiff> php is stupid
Jun 03 17:17:43 <HattCzech_work> as easy as it is to just have the variables in the php file, that doesn't seem like a good idea ;)
Jun 03 17:17:47 <halfhalo_pre> I use a mysql class
Jun 03 17:17:48 <BigBiff> :-p
Jun 03 17:17:59 <maik> you're stupid!
Jun 03 17:18:02 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 03 17:18:05 <maik> :D
Jun 03 17:18:16 <BigBiff> 1.74-1.64=0
Jun 03 17:18:24 <BigBiff> php math
Jun 03 17:18:26 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 03 17:19:14 <HattCzech_work> i agree... because 1.74=1, 1.64=1, therefore 1-1=0 :)
Jun 03 17:19:14 <halfhalo_pre> my class handles everathang
Jun 03 17:19:20 <HattCzech_work> (when dealing with ints)
Jun 03 17:19:22 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 03 17:20:02 <BigBiff> speaking of php - i need a cheap vds to run my loooong scripts
Jun 03 17:20:18 <halfhalo_pre> how long is long
Jun 03 17:20:26 <HattCzech_work> back in a bit... lunch
Jun 03 17:20:37 <BigBiff> 12-15 minutes
Jun 03 17:20:47 <halfhalo_pre> wow... doing what?
Jun 03 17:20:52 <BigBiff> of course, that's running it on my comp as LAMP
Jun 03 17:21:20 <BigBiff> updating info for a few thousand items - 2 curl sessions each
Jun 03 17:21:29 <BigBiff> then putting the data into sql
Jun 03 17:22:05 <halfhalo_pre> I thick
Jun 03 17:22:09 <halfhalo_pre> think
Jun 03 17:22:15 <halfhalo_pre> a cron job is needed
Jun 03 17:22:57 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: http://pastebin.com/B6hZS6Zi
Jun 03 17:22:58 <BigBiff> i've talked to a few vds reps and they say they fear the sql will melt down
Jun 03 17:23:13 <BigBiff> but i figure, if it works on my little laptop....
Jun 03 17:23:43 <BigBiff> well, i need the cron to perform the operation(long operation) several times per day
Jun 03 17:23:49 <halfhalo_pre> ehhhhhhhh
Jun 03 17:24:31 <BigBiff> i know it's possible, but i wanna keep it under $10/month
Jun 03 17:24:38 <BigBiff> that's hard to find
Jun 03 17:25:00 <halfhalo_pre> I want a node.js server...
Jun 03 17:25:09 <halfhalo_pre> because it's cool
Jun 03 17:26:01 <BigBiff> and speaking of hp, i grow weary of reinstalling wifi driver every week
Jun 03 17:26:21 <halfhalo_pre> hp uses intels, no ?
Jun 03 17:26:29 <BigBiff> yes
Jun 03 17:26:45 <halfhalo_pre> that's more of an intel issue
Jun 03 17:27:00 <BigBiff> yes
Jun 03 17:27:28 <BigBiff> speaking of intel, i grow weary of reinstalling wifi driver every week
Jun 03 17:27:40 <halfhalo_pre> much better
Jun 03 17:28:02 <BigBiff> hehe
Jun 03 17:41:13 <LoneStar99> my hp laptop sometimes does not charge
Jun 03 17:41:47 <LoneStar99> "Plugged In, Not Charging"
Jun 03 17:44:16 <halfhalo_pre> what's the batt at
Jun 03 17:47:07 <LoneStar99> halfhalo_pre: it works now, but after some days of the laptop being on, the "Plugged In, Not Charging" problem begins
Jun 03 17:47:29 <LoneStar99> a restarting OS seems to fix it
Jun 03 18:27:58 <pandora--> bigbiff left...
Jun 03 18:28:13 <pandora--> but, my "other platforms" applications do much better
Jun 03 18:28:20 <pandora--> because "other" in my case is JavaME
Jun 03 18:28:31 <pandora--> and there's like 18 bajillion JavaME devices in the world
Jun 03 18:28:41 <pandora--> but it's harded to make money on those
Jun 03 18:28:53 <pandora--> so, more installs but less money than webos apps
Jun 03 18:30:57 * millenomi listens intensely as he's planning to go cross-platform. 
Jun 03 18:31:11 <millenomi> (aw, gone)
Jun 03 18:37:28 <zefanjas> hello...does anyone has success with a submenu with an own template and the scenes popupSubmenu method?
Jun 03 18:41:42 <LoneStar99> zefanjas: is there a visual example of what you are trying to do?
Jun 03 18:43:21 <zefanjas> LoneStar99, yes something like in the mail app when you tap on the top header.
Jun 03 18:44:46 <LoneStar99> the stardard email app in webos?
Jun 03 18:46:21 <zefanjas> LoneStar99, jpp
Jun 03 18:48:03 <halfhalo_class> oh god....
Jun 03 18:48:11 <LoneStar99> u are trying to add your own words in the submenu
Jun 03 18:48:44 <LoneStar99> like options i mean
Jun 03 18:49:19 <zefanjas> LoneStar99, yes, I want to change the default font-size, but not in every submenu, only in one.
Jun 03 18:50:19 <LoneStar99> zefanjas:  have not messed with changing font size in submenu
Jun 03 18:50:45 <zefanjas> hmm
Jun 03 18:53:44 <Tibfib> zefanjas: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7420 see this topic
Jun 03 18:53:58 <Tibfib> has css reference sheet and inspector
Jun 03 18:54:10 <HattCzech_work> LoneStar99: haven't gotten to the js (app) side of the php stuff, looking for more info on the server side...
Jun 03 18:56:16 <zefanjas> Tibfib, thanks, but I want to change only one specific subMenu. The others should display in the default way.
Jun 03 19:00:02 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: what type of code do you need?
Jun 03 19:00:16 <LoneStar99> for the server side
Jun 03 19:00:28 <HattCzech_work> i'm just wondering where my variables go for dbname, dbuser, and dbpass
Jun 03 19:03:10 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: will paste some code
Jun 03 19:03:19 <HattCzech_work> okay, cool... thanks
Jun 03 19:03:40 <HattCzech_work> is there some base php file i need or do i store it in the php.ini?
Jun 03 19:09:49 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: http://pastebin.com/yuGESswm & http://pastebin.com/i2nkhhLE
Jun 03 19:12:00 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: there are many ways to define db parameters, but that is how i have been doing it for years
Jun 03 19:14:59 <HattCzech_work> so the variables do go in the php file?
Jun 03 19:15:06 <HattCzech_work> (or an included php file)
Jun 03 19:16:26 <LoneStar99> yeah variables in php file and then include it on all other php files
Jun 03 19:16:59 <HattCzech_work> i just figured that was too "open" or insecure
Jun 03 19:26:57 <LoneStar99> yeah, it probably is, but never had problems
Jun 03 19:27:18 <HattCzech_work> okay
Jun 03 19:28:54 <LoneStar99> as long as your server is secure you should not have any problems
Jun 03 19:29:42 <LoneStar99> with php passwords and usernames can always be found, it is a matter of securing your server
Jun 03 19:30:36 <HattCzech_work> and how do i test to see if my server is secure?
Jun 03 19:30:43 <LoneStar99> but then again, it goes for anything, java, c, c++ etc...
Jun 03 19:31:10 <HattCzech_work> (i was actually planning to ask a friend who does network security)
Jun 03 19:32:43 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: yeah ask him, then let me know what he recommends
Jun 03 19:33:23 <HattCzech_work> will do
Jun 03 19:33:24 <HattCzech_work> thanks for the help
Jun 03 19:34:17 <LoneStar99> no problem, let me know if you need php code for something
Jun 03 19:35:39 <HattCzech_work> i'm learning as i go, but it's like most other programming languages
Jun 03 19:36:01 <LoneStar99> yeah i have alot of php code, so let me know
Jun 03 19:36:14 <HattCzech_work> cool, thanks
Jun 03 19:36:15 <HattCzech_work> the mysql side is a bit trickier
Jun 03 19:36:30 <LoneStar99> can help with that also
Jun 03 19:37:40 <LoneStar99> ok time for luhcn
Jun 03 19:40:26 <swisstomcat> evening
Jun 03 19:45:15 <Amaranth> never would have thought google voice would be so difficult :/
Jun 03 19:45:43 <HebrewzHammer> think again!
Jun 03 19:45:51 <Amaranth> I'll make this work
Jun 03 19:45:52 <HebrewzHammer> and again and again and again
Jun 03 19:45:54 <Amaranth> I have no choice
Jun 03 19:46:05 <Amaranth> It's either make this work or buy a new phone
Jun 03 19:46:06 <HebrewzHammer> and then one more time
Jun 03 19:46:15 <HebrewzHammer> ouch
Jun 03 19:46:30 <Amaranth> The new mobile interface should make it easier
Jun 03 19:46:50 <Amaranth> But I can't seem to figure out exactly what it wants, think I'm going to have to setup a MITM and sniff the traffic
Jun 03 19:57:08 <Amaranth> hmm, it seems google may be intentionally screwing me
Jun 03 19:57:44 <Amaranth> They keep setting the gvx cookie back to EXPIRED but somehow Firefox is still able to send the proper value in a POST
Jun 03 20:04:02 <LoneStar99> google voice has an api?
Jun 03 20:04:46 <warpdesign> hi
Jun 03 20:05:01 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign & lonestar
Jun 03 20:05:45 <LoneStar99> hi swiss
Jun 03 20:13:03 <Amaranth> LoneStar99: if you call "pretending to be a user logging in to the mobile site" and then using their REST/JSON interface an API, sure
Jun 03 20:13:36 <Amaranth> The mobile site should have made this easier since we already have the right User-Agent and it provides proper JSON feeds for things
Jun 03 20:14:58 <LoneStar99> Amaranth:  does it provide some sound functionality?
Jun 03 20:15:19 <Amaranth> sound functionality?
Jun 03 20:16:39 <Amaranth> odd, my phone doesn't seem to have a 'log' command
Jun 03 20:16:50 <Amaranth> does console.log just stick things in to syslog?
Jun 03 20:17:31 <Amaranth> oh, oops, I disabled logging on my phone :/
Jun 03 20:21:49 <LoneStar99> Amaranth: will check out the site
Jun 03 20:23:32 <LoneStar99> at voice.google.com but do not see anything about developers...
Jun 03 20:41:06 <Amaranth> yay I got it to sign in
Jun 03 20:41:14 <Amaranth> LoneStar99: It's not an official API
Jun 03 20:41:22 <Amaranth> LoneStar99: It's just potentially easier to use
Jun 03 20:41:37 <Amaranth> And hopefully less likely to change
Jun 03 20:42:09 <Amaranth> Oh, and it lets you do callouts directly instead of getting a call in first by calling a GV bridging number and having it redirect you to the person you actually called
Jun 03 20:43:46 <LoneStar99> wow nice
Jun 03 20:51:15 <MetaView> updating the leader board site must be such a difficult task...
Jun 03 20:51:26 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 03 20:51:27 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 03 20:51:32 <swisstomcat> it's a manual process
Jun 03 20:51:38 <MetaView> I don't understand they wrote some import/export scripts for the datas
Jun 03 20:51:52 <MetaView> well, why do they have computers and programmers?
Jun 03 20:52:29 <MetaView> where is the deal to extract the download counts fro mthe accounts and update the numbers in the db?
Jun 03 20:53:43 <swisstomcat> who knows
Jun 03 20:55:58 * HattCzech_work thinks it should be realtime
Jun 03 20:56:02 <HattCzech_work> :)
Jun 03 20:56:17 <HattCzech_work> or at least close
Jun 03 21:00:00 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 03 21:00:02 <swisstomcat> interesting
Jun 03 21:00:13 <swisstomcat> "HP has no say in that -- this is legal/financial requirements set by the SEC and the federal government. We have to be really careful what we say until the deal closes so as to not open up questions about tampering with the deal. HP, as it turns out, as the buyer, has many fewer restrictions on what they can say than Palm, the seller. 
Jun 03 21:00:13 <swisstomcat> I will say that I spent some time last night chatting with our PR people and they're in contact with the PR people at HP about this."
Jun 03 21:00:28 <swisstomcat> regarding that statement from the hp ceo
Jun 03 21:01:08 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7425
Jun 03 21:01:58 <Megatherium> Hmmm, interesting.
Jun 03 21:03:14 <Megatherium> One way or the other, if they end up not making any more phones themselves, they really ought to license out WebOS to phone manufacturers. Having used all 4 major mobile OSes over the past year, it's pretty much the best of 'em by quite a bit.
Jun 03 21:05:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 03 21:05:15 <swisstomcat> also for a developer, not just user
Jun 03 21:06:02 <Megatherium> I'm a bit surprised that neither Apple nor Google has tried to copy certain WebOS features (like card multitasking). It must be an IP thing.
Jun 03 21:09:39 <swisstomcat> i'm surprised that google doesn't think about a chrome web store for android
Jun 03 21:10:00 <swisstomcat> maybe they are but it's not in a releaseable state right now
Jun 03 21:10:28 <Megatherium> Yeah, if we do end up seeing any such thing, I expect it in the latter half of this year.
Jun 03 21:10:58 <swisstomcat> we could get a broader reach for web apps that way
Jun 03 21:11:42 <LoneStar99> palm not being in the mobile market anymore would totally suck
Jun 03 21:12:37 <LoneStar99> for webos to end up only in stupid printers would be the worst thing ever
Jun 03 21:13:02 <Megatherium> Yep. On the other hand, I think with some tweaks it'd be the perfect tablet OS.
Jun 03 21:13:46 <LoneStar99> Megatherium:  yeah
Jun 03 21:15:13 <rkcr> I've got a question - I've found the /templates/ directory in the Palm refcode, is there any way to access these templates in code or are they just samples?
Jun 03 21:20:18 <Nyceane> swisstomcat
Jun 03 21:20:30 <Nyceane> swisstomcat, i m on the news lol. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/hp-palm-webos/
Jun 03 21:20:43 <Nyceane> =_= gotta watch my mouth when i get interviewed next time =-|
Jun 03 21:20:55 <Nyceane> majority of the stuff i said was promoting webos
Jun 03 21:21:16 <LoneStar99> nice Nyceane
Jun 03 21:21:44 <Nyceane> man, peol has been bashing the crap out of me
Jun 03 21:21:48 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 03 21:22:02 <swisstomcat> that's you?
Jun 03 21:22:04 <Nyceane> just making sure chuqui isn't here
Jun 03 21:22:06 <Nyceane> yah
Jun 03 21:22:16 <chuqui> nope. I'm not here.
Jun 03 21:22:23 <Nyceane> oh man, don't ban me =-(
Jun 03 21:22:34 * halfhalo_class gets popcorn
Jun 03 21:22:35 <swisstomcat> i didn't like that article
Jun 03 21:22:54 <Nyceane> he had like half an hour interview with me after the conference
Jun 03 21:22:58 <swisstomcat> “I made some of the crappiest apps for the Pre, and Palm is giving me  $1,000 for each,” ??
Jun 03 21:23:11 <swisstomcat> :(
Jun 03 21:23:16 <Nyceane> yah -_-
Jun 03 21:23:26 <MetaView> Playboy covers...
Jun 03 21:23:30 <Nyceane> i said that verbally at the conference when he wanted a topic
Jun 03 21:23:40 <chuqui> why should I ban you?
Jun 03 21:23:58 <swisstomcat> the later part of the article doesn't come through when you start with somthing like that
Jun 03 21:24:00 <Nyceane> duno =-|  for being quoted by the media
Jun 03 21:24:12 <Nyceane> =-|
Jun 03 21:24:27 <chuqui> hey, you're allowed to have an opinion. And besides, that's WIRED. I just assumed you were either misquoted or taken out of context.
Jun 03 21:24:29 <Nyceane> i know, half an hour with of interview he started with something that wasn't even in the interview
Jun 03 21:24:31 <swisstomcat> you think you've been misquoted?
Jun 03 21:24:51 <swisstomcat> i liked the second part of the interview
Jun 03 21:24:53 <Nyceane> no, i was talking to him during the conference, i told him how palm's downloads were just awesome
Jun 03 21:25:04 <Nyceane> some of my crappiest app could get huge amount of downloads
Jun 03 21:25:14 <Nyceane> thats what i was referencing
Jun 03 21:25:35 <Nyceane> i've been making good apps now, it takes chunk of time
Jun 03 21:25:49 <Nyceane> I won the snaptic award during snaptic conference, thats how I met him
Jun 03 21:26:00 <MetaView> but that's the same for any platform: crappiest apps get the most download
Jun 03 21:26:03 <Nyceane> and I spent entire memorial day weekend to port that award winning software into palm
Jun 03 21:26:27 <Nyceane> MetaView, i know, i was making my apps based on most amount of downloads off other platforms
Jun 03 21:26:29 <swisstomcat> chuqui: do you know anything about webos 1.4.1.3?
Jun 03 21:26:37 <Nyceane> and that was just intergral part of learning
Jun 03 21:26:46 <chuqui> 1.4.1.3?
Jun 03 21:26:56 <swisstomcat> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2489893#post2489893
Jun 03 21:27:05 <swisstomcat> a gsm pixi plus running 1.4.1.3
Jun 03 21:27:19 <swisstomcat> shouldn't you know? :)
Jun 03 21:27:56 <chuqui> of course I should know. doesn't mean I do.
Jun 03 21:28:09 <swisstomcat> apparently
Jun 03 21:28:19 <chuqui> it looks like they needed to roll in a specific bug fix. I'll try to get details.
Jun 03 21:28:30 <swisstomcat> ok, thanks
Jun 03 21:29:12 <Nyceane> chuqui, any idea if palm is going to improve their gps speed and performance anytime soon?
Jun 03 21:30:32 <chuqui> if it makes you feel better, I've had my disagreements with publications over what I actually said, too. it happens. And this is WIRED.
Jun 03 21:31:00 <chuqui> nothing we've said anything about, nyceane. what's the issue?
Jun 03 21:31:23 <Nyceane> chuqui, just wanted you to know i appreciate the platform a lot and i really did not mean to bash the platform like that -_-
Jun 03 21:31:37 <Nyceane> i appreciate palm's hard work on making UI simple and clean
Jun 03 21:31:38 <chuqui> nyceane -- don't sweat it
Jun 03 21:31:44 <Nyceane> chuqui, thanks =)
Jun 03 21:31:45 <swisstomcat> too bad wired made an article with it
Jun 03 21:32:02 <Nyceane> I know, he said he'll do an article for my pick up sport app
Jun 03 21:32:06 <swisstomcat> wish they'd just left out the first part
Jun 03 21:32:14 <Nyceane> hopefully i can redeem myself in some way
Jun 03 21:32:22 <swisstomcat> didn't he ask you if it was ok to post it?
Jun 03 21:32:30 <Nyceane> swisstomcat, the first part was not even part of the interview
Jun 03 21:32:33 <swisstomcat> like a "good to publish"?
Jun 03 21:32:38 <swisstomcat> i see
Jun 03 21:32:46 <chuqui> just write good apps.
Jun 03 21:32:47 <swisstomcat> we have to bash wired then
Jun 03 21:33:00 <Nyceane> no, dont worry about it, some publicity is always good
Jun 03 21:34:01 <Nyceane> it gives exposure, and a lot of people will jump on board
Jun 03 21:34:12 <swisstomcat> yeah, we need positive exposure
Jun 03 21:34:19 <rkcr> Crappy apps make you money on Palm?
Jun 03 21:34:20 <Nyceane> this is some postive exposure
Jun 03 21:34:24 <rkcr> I've been spending too much time on my app!
Jun 03 21:34:33 <Nyceane> rkcr, me too, on my good apps
Jun 03 21:34:37 <Nyceane> those are hello world apps
Jun 03 21:35:16 <swisstomcat> how many people have just read the first article regarding "HP CEO "we didn't buy PALM to get into the smartphone biz"
Jun 03 21:35:24 <MetaView> hm, Poland leads the worldcup...
Jun 03 21:35:39 <rkcr> LOl
Jun 03 21:35:47 <swisstomcat> how many developers were irritated by that statement?
Jun 03 21:35:54 <rkcr> I like how the hottest apps are filled with people taking books out of copyright and selling them for $1.
Jun 03 21:36:13 <MetaView> on the appcat?
Jun 03 21:36:29 <Nyceane> "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Jun 03 21:36:31 <MetaView> I wonder how the manage to get the 5 star reviews without any review
Jun 03 21:36:33 <Nyceane> thats mass media =)
Jun 03 21:36:47 <swisstomcat> metaview: yeah, probably a bug
Jun 03 21:37:01 <MetaView> http://www.metaviewsoft.de/Soccer2010 I miss swiss :D
Jun 03 21:37:28 <swisstomcat> well, i have a german device
Jun 03 21:37:42 <swisstomcat> what can i do :)
Jun 03 21:39:02 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: read the article about the HP CEO, he seems like an ass
Jun 03 21:39:20 <Nyceane> they fired fioana
Jun 03 21:39:24 <swisstomcat> which one?
Jun 03 21:39:29 <MetaView> swisstomcat: set the country to swiss in Soccer2010
Jun 03 21:39:34 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 03 21:39:36 <MetaView> in the beta version
Jun 03 21:39:45 <swisstomcat> ok, i'll do
Jun 03 21:39:54 <MetaView> but you need 2 users fro mswiss to be counted
Jun 03 21:39:59 <MetaView> sry :)
Jun 03 21:40:05 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Jun 03 21:40:20 <swisstomcat> that HP CEO statement was ill timed
Jun 03 21:40:21 <MetaView> maybe you have 2 devices?
Jun 03 21:40:26 <swisstomcat> yeah, 3 even
Jun 03 21:40:49 <MetaView> well, then... It's the deviceID which counts
Jun 03 21:40:59 <swisstomcat> great
Jun 03 21:41:33 <swisstomcat> where do i set the country?
Jun 03 21:41:38 * MetaView waits for swiss climbing for the win
Jun 03 21:41:53 <swisstomcat> maybe i have an old version
Jun 03 21:41:59 <MetaView> in settings, you need the last version fro mbeta feeds
Jun 03 21:42:01 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: a good ceo does not make such bold statements, before a deal has been finalized
Jun 03 21:42:05 <MetaView> wait...
Jun 03 21:42:17 <LoneStar99> New HP CEO is an Idiot
Jun 03 21:43:00 <swisstomcat> it's not a statement to make developers happy with the future course of the platfor .. and you could see that from the developer reactions
Jun 03 21:43:03 <swisstomcat> platform
Jun 03 21:43:08 <MetaView> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.metaviewsoft.soccer2010beta
Jun 03 21:43:31 <swisstomcat> hold on
Jun 03 21:44:09 <swisstomcat> hey, the pre plus is available in switzerland
Jun 03 21:45:12 <swisstomcat> "As best I can tell from looking at build logs, this OS release should be equivalent to 1.4.1.1 with some firmware modifications needed for better UMTS operation on O2's network. There were no changes to components that affect application development from what I've seen."
Jun 03 21:45:43 <swisstomcat> regarding 1.4.1.3
Jun 03 21:50:58 <swisstomcat> good night, i'm off
Jun 03 21:51:19 <LoneStar99> gn swisstomcat
Jun 03 21:52:05 <HattCzech_work> night
Jun 03 21:52:16 <Amaranth> arg, stupid webOS
Jun 03 21:52:25 <Amaranth> I'd kill for a proper socket interface
Jun 03 21:52:37 <Amaranth> Or even a way to not automatically follow redirects
Jun 03 21:53:51 <Amaranth> Oh, it's prototype automatically following redirects, it seems
Jun 03 21:54:34 <Amaranth> or not, stupid stackoverflow
Jun 03 22:01:31 <vibol> does anyone know when webOS will support WebM?
Jun 03 22:04:17 <Nyceane> how long does reviews usually take?
Jun 03 22:04:31 <Nyceane> its been taking longer than usual -_- i submitted on sunday and still havnt gotten approved yet
Jun 03 22:06:37 <HattCzech_work> Nyceane: mine took a while as well this week, i'd think by tomorrow
Jun 03 22:11:23 <Nyceane> i am trying to release my new app so i can redeem my reputation being a palm basher =-|
Jun 03 22:11:42 <LoneStar99> Nyceane: palm basher! boo!
Jun 03 22:11:45 <MetaView> then hurry up :)
Jun 03 22:11:47 <LoneStar99> JK
Jun 03 22:12:10 <Nyceane> i submitted on monday
Jun 03 22:12:15 <Nyceane> actually tuesday
Jun 03 22:12:38 <Nyceane> i mean redeem myself from a palm basher
Jun 03 22:12:39 <Nyceane> =_=
Jun 03 22:12:44 <Nyceane> man, people hates me right now
Jun 03 22:12:47 <MetaView> They should make this support stuff easier, entering always the same details for 6 or 8 countries is just overwork...
Jun 03 22:14:37 <HattCzech_work> MetaView: i agree
Jun 03 22:14:54 * HattCzech_work is one of those haters
Jun 03 22:15:04 <HattCzech_work> but not really, just wanted to say that
Jun 03 22:22:38 <rolsworth> does palm pdk allow porting compiled C code iphone to Palm's Web OS?
Jun 03 22:23:41 <Robdor> rolsworth: As in the actual object files produced by the iPhone compiler?
Jun 03 22:24:23 <rolsworth> I guess so
Jun 03 22:24:35 <rolsworth> i am not a developer but was reading something about porting iphone apps
Jun 03 22:24:54 <Robdor> Ah, the source of the C file.  Yes, with some caveats.
Jun 03 22:25:27 <Robdor> As long as the C program isn't using any apple only libraries it can be ported fairly easily.
Jun 03 22:25:28 <MetaView> as you can't write your whole iPhone app in C you will have usually 2 parts: the logic in C and the UI in ObjectivC
Jun 03 22:29:49 <Nyceane> objective C is just sooo hard to learn =-|
Jun 03 22:29:54 <Nyceane> I've tried to get into it so many times
Jun 03 22:34:10 <catalystmedia> So how/when does Palm send out payments for app downloads?
Jun 03 22:34:17 <catalystmedia> What's the usual time between payments?
Jun 03 22:39:42 <HattCzech_work> anyone know if there's a way to select multiple people from the people picker?
Jun 03 22:43:47 <pandora--> catalystmedia: it's like, a month after the end of the first month you made a sale
Jun 03 22:43:51 <pandora--> catalystmedia: something like that
Jun 03 22:44:47 <catalystmedia> Dang, that'll be the end of June I believe :P Maybe they should do it every 2 weeks or every month :) Either way, that's fine :)
Jun 03 22:44:52 <catalystmedia> Thanks for the info pandora--
Jun 03 22:47:13 <pandora--> heh
Jun 03 22:47:29 <pandora--> it's something like that, i don't recall 100%, but it's pretty close
Jun 03 22:50:14 <Tibfib> catalystmedia: got emoticons to work based on your reg exp... been meaning to tell you
Jun 03 22:51:13 <catalystmedia> Tibfib: Great :) I'm glad you got it working. I'm hoping Palm will change the permissions on that folder so there's no need to do it. Not too big of a deal though ;)
Jun 03 22:57:30 <HattCzech_work> catalystmedia, Tibfib: where are you using emoticons?
Jun 03 22:58:23 <catalystmedia> HattCzech_work: When you tap a tweet in TweetMe and it has a smiley (e.g. :) :P, etc.) it will show an emoticon instead of plain text
Jun 03 23:00:20 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, okay
Jun 03 23:00:35 <HattCzech_work> thanks
Jun 03 23:01:01 <HattCzech_work> would you happen to know how to popup a menu similar to the symbol menu?
Jun 03 23:05:35 <catalystmedia> HattCzech_work: Hmm, not sure on that one.
Jun 03 23:05:46 <catalystmedia> You could just design and create your own. I'd use -webkit-border-image and then put a list widget in that div that has all your items. Position it fixed to the screen.
Jun 03 23:06:23 <HattCzech_work> hmmm... that might work
Jun 03 23:06:41 <HattCzech_work> i'll have to figure out the columns, though
Jun 03 23:21:49 <Amaranth> so it looks like I can probably make this app using the PDK
Jun 03 23:22:02 <Amaranth> First step: make a linux PDK
Jun 03 23:23:08 <pandora--> is there an easy way to capture outgoing (raw) http traffic from the emulator?
Jun 03 23:23:26 <pandora--> some linux tool to capture http traffic and dump to a log?
Jun 03 23:23:38 <Amaranth> pandora--: wireshark
Jun 03 23:23:53 <Amaranth> It doesn't do https, of curse
Jun 03 23:23:58 <Amaranth> s/curse/course/
Jun 03 23:24:10 <pandora--> shit
Jun 03 23:24:13 <pandora--> i actually need https
Jun 03 23:24:57 <Amaranth> pandora--: Time to setup a customer MITM proxy and edit the emulator's hosts file
Jun 03 23:25:00 <Amaranth> grr
Jun 03 23:25:05 <Amaranth> s/customer/custom/
Jun 03 23:25:35 <pandora--> MITM?
Jun 03 23:25:41 <Amaranth> man in the middle
Jun 03 23:25:54 <Amaranth> Basically the emulator will make the secure connection to your app thinking it's talking to the site
Jun 03 23:26:14 <pandora--> doh
Jun 03 23:26:27 <Amaranth> So you need to make an app that handles SSL and HTTP and forwards the requests to the actual site
Jun 03 23:26:43 <Amaranth> you can probably put something together in python pretty quickly
Jun 03 23:27:13 <pandora--> *nods*
Jun 03 23:27:17 <pandora--> groovy to the rescue
Jun 03 23:27:30 <pandora--> i'm better in groovy than python
Jun 03 23:30:20 <halfhalo> node.js!
Jun 03 23:30:35 <Amaranth> well, python already has nice http servers and clients for you to extend
Jun 03 23:30:50 <halfhalo> so does node.js.  And node.js is js
Jun 03 23:30:53 <halfhalo> which is win
Jun 03 23:31:44 <Amaranth> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/442473-simple-http-server-supporting-ssl-secure-communica/
Jun 03 23:37:50 <pandora--> halfhalo: what?
Jun 03 23:38:04 <halfhalo> node.js
Jun 03 23:38:06 <halfhalo> its awesome
Jun 03 23:38:11 <pandora--> lol yes i gathered that
Jun 03 23:38:23 <halfhalo> its supposed to be similar to the js services were getting on device as well
Jun 03 23:44:04 <Amaranth> so it seems my main problem is that calling XMLHttpRequest doesn't store cookies (or at least not somewhere I can access them) and automatically follows redirects so I can't snag them from the headers
Jun 03 23:44:28 <Amaranth> Should document.cookie contain the cookies received from an XMLHttpRequest?
Jun 04 00:08:23 <BigBiff_> hah
Jun 04 00:08:34 <BigBiff_> reading some of the earlier dialogue
Jun 04 00:08:51 <BigBiff_> Nyceane: i dont care what you said, but.....
Jun 04 00:09:09 <BigBiff_> can you teach me to code an app in an hour? :-)
Jun 04 00:12:28 <BigBiff_> that's some skillz
Jun 04 00:22:40 <lemketron-away> pandora--: I believe there is a way to capture network activity using VBoxManage, but I've not yet been able to get it to work.
Jun 04 00:23:13 <rwhitby> lemketron-away: tcpdump on the host on the guest interface?
Jun 04 00:37:33 <pandora--> lemketron-away: ah neat
Jun 04 00:39:19 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: ping
Jun 04 00:55:19 <haeffb> Is there anyway to be notified when the screen is locked?
Jun 04 00:59:22 <Amaranth> pandora--: Those suggestions won't help you, you'll just get encrypted data
Jun 04 01:00:01 <pandora--> Amaranth: yeah, i don't think it's on my end anyways, I've deflected the blame :)
Jun 04 01:03:15 <halfhalo> testest
Jun 04 01:03:24 <halfhalo> weeewt
Jun 04 01:09:11 <Amaranth> Ok so I'm pretty sure this is a bug in webOS at this point
Jun 04 01:09:54 <Amaranth> If  an HTTP response gives a 301 and redirects you it doesn't put the cookies from that response in document.cookie
Jun 04 01:10:56 <Amaranth> Although it obviously works in the actual browser since you can sign in to the Google Voice mobile site
Jun 04 01:11:31 <Amaranth> I'm one stupid cookie away from a fully working library to access Google Voice. Now I know what the gvDial dude was talking about
Jun 04 01:15:29 <pandora--> lol
Jun 04 01:45:01 <rolsworth> to this day i don't know what google voice is
Jun 04 01:45:08 <rolsworth> never cared to look it up
Jun 04 01:49:29 * haeffb thinks it's something about Google controlling the voices in your head
Jun 04 01:57:01 <rwhitby> haeffb: I thought it was Google's way to listen to the voices in your head
Jun 04 01:57:17 <rwhitby> since they know everything else about you already ...
Jun 04 01:58:09 <LoneStar99> rolsworth: google voice is a service which serves as a voicemail,, transcribes voice messages, all in a service with looks like gmail
Jun 04 01:58:53 <LoneStar99> as of 6 months ago the transcribing service was like 10% accurate
Jun 04 01:58:59 <rolsworth> not something that wouod interest me
Jun 04 02:00:07 <rolsworth> i don't get the importance of such an app
Jun 04 02:00:34 <rolsworth> instead of listening to my voice mail i could read it. Why?
Jun 04 02:00:53 <rwhitby> not read, search.
Jun 04 02:01:10 <rwhitby> and it's mainly so *Google* can search it
Jun 04 02:01:24 <rwhitby> to provide you more targetted ads.
Jun 04 02:01:25 <LoneStar99> and it texts you the transcription if you would like
Jun 04 02:01:57 <rolsworth> everything about google is about ads
Jun 04 02:02:27 <rwhitby> rolsworth: yep, as it should be, since that's their primary business model.
Jun 04 02:21:03 <JenP> hi all!
Jun 04 02:21:05 <pandora--> hihj
Jun 04 02:21:11 <pandora--> er. hihi
Jun 04 02:21:20 <JenP> hi pandora--
Jun 04 02:23:46 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Jun 04 02:23:58 <JenP> hi rod!
Jun 04 02:24:02 <Amaranth> Google Voice is for more than voicemail
Jun 04 02:24:16 <Amaranth> I have one phone number that goes to whatever phone I happen to be using or close to
Jun 04 02:24:37 <Amaranth> And I can answer the call on my home phone to save minutes on my cell then switch it over to the cell if I need to leave the house
Jun 04 02:24:41 <Amaranth> oh, and free SMS
Jun 04 02:25:25 <Amaranth> It's only a stupid voicemail service if you insist on keeping your cell phone number because then it's just a forwarding service
Jun 04 02:26:52 <Tibfib> Amaranth: I use it for voicemail...
Jun 04 02:27:03 <Tibfib> And the free sms when my pre isn't working
Jun 04 02:33:38 <Amaranth> looks like I get to do PDK development on my windows machine :/
Jun 04 02:34:40 * haeffb only has the one phone
Jun 04 02:35:39 <Amaranth> haeffb: Well, it has some nice uses there too
Jun 04 02:36:01 <Amaranth> You can block callers, setup custom voicemail greetings per caller or per contact group, etc
Jun 04 02:36:42 <Amaranth> And I can randomly jump between service providers without trying to port a phone number (not possible with prepaid anyway) and everyone can just keep calling the same number
Jun 04 02:41:14 <LoneStar99> Amaranth: has the transcription gotten better since about 6 months ago?
Jun 04 02:41:42 <Amaranth> LoneStar99: Eh, I can usually tell what someone is talking about so long as they don't use proper nouns
Jun 04 02:42:48 <LoneStar99> Amaranth: once at a bar had a friend call, and b/c of background noise the transcription was just plain funny, made no sense
Jun 04 02:43:27 <LoneStar99> but i am sure under proper situations it might would be more accurate
Jun 04 02:43:46 <LoneStar99> also not sure if it would work well with folks with deep accents
Jun 04 02:46:35 <LoneStar99> time to roll, catch you all in a few hours
Jun 04 02:55:06 <haeffb> check for app updates: http://github.com/jdfsoftware/puchk
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