**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 06 02:59:56 2010 Jun 06 03:02:03 really? from ad revenue? Jun 06 03:02:21 yup Jun 06 03:02:29 wow Jun 06 03:02:42 crazy huh? Jun 06 03:02:51 so reality was right all along... Jun 06 03:02:58 sell an app and thats all the money you'll ever make from it Jun 06 03:03:51 I dunno...I can't see how the ad networks actually make any money off these mobile ads. Jun 06 03:03:58 You ever click an ad? Jun 06 03:04:11 all the time ;) Jun 06 03:04:38 not in other ppl's apps but sure yeah in mine.. Jun 06 03:04:44 in somebody else's app Jun 06 03:10:03 u should try a freebie ad app Jun 06 03:12:33 just put a free version of Done! out there Jun 06 03:12:54 could work Jun 06 03:13:13 how many unique dls? Jun 06 03:14:28 277 for the paid Jun 06 03:15:31 not to bad. wonder what a free ad supported one might do Jun 06 03:15:47 you could at least do a beta one for free. no $50 sport there Jun 06 03:16:03 * haeffb is open source Jun 06 03:16:20 no $50 for anything Jun 06 03:19:35 ? Jun 06 03:20:14 if you say its open source you dont have to pay $50 to post the app? Jun 06 03:27:31 you not only have to say it's open source, it actually has to be open source :) Jun 06 03:28:20 and then not complain when someone takes it, changes the name, and then puts it back in the app catalog under their own name, cause open source specifically allows that Jun 06 03:29:00 rwhitby: true Jun 06 03:29:11 but I'll leave bad reviews if you do that to me... :) Jun 06 03:29:47 yep, that's exactly why it doesn't happen often - public opinion soon works out who was the original author Jun 06 03:43:28 Bmyers: you have to have an open source palm dev account as well Jun 06 03:43:52 i.e. I have two dev accounts Jun 06 04:36:55 morning all Jun 06 04:44:54 haeffb_pre: when do you need your translations done by? Jun 06 10:25:27 moin Jun 06 12:12:52 hi MetaView Jun 06 12:13:30 morn'n Jun 06 12:14:36 I just released MyDone! in opensource. I hope it does well.. Jun 06 12:17:05 I expect it will. Did you price it at $3.22 ? Jun 06 12:18:25 yup Jun 06 12:18:41 to high ya think? Jun 06 12:22:25 nah, perfect marketing strategy Jun 06 12:22:51 looks like a beautiful day here, gonna go drag the boat outta the shed. Jun 06 12:24:31 gonna rain here for sure. i dont think boating is in my future today unless the rains dont stop at all Jun 06 12:24:40 anyone knows how to store info onto the palm for later use in an app ? Jun 06 12:25:14 cookie, depot or SQLite database are your three options Jun 06 12:25:31 or cloud based Jun 06 12:25:41 "onto the palm" Jun 06 12:25:49 yeah yeah.. Jun 06 12:25:59 I'm just willing to store preferences for a game so I suppose cookie will be enough Jun 06 12:26:08 what's "depot" though ? Jun 06 12:26:10 cookie will be perfect for that Jun 06 12:26:19 cookie x 2 Jun 06 12:26:25 depot is a wrapper around SQLite Jun 06 12:26:43 all the pain with half the power Jun 06 12:26:50 lol Jun 06 12:26:51 or so "they" say Jun 06 12:26:55 sounds tempting :D Jun 06 12:58:16 hello Jun 06 13:02:13 bmyers: need sql help Jun 06 13:05:55 :) Jun 06 13:06:43 * MetaView sits on the balcony and writes a webos app Jun 06 13:07:01 "lazy on a sunny afternoon" Jun 06 13:12:34 ? Jun 06 13:12:45 whats up haeffb Jun 06 13:12:52 trying to figure out how to do a join Jun 06 13:14:12 just rewrote the 360° apple demo in html 4 with a pre instead of iphone ;) Jun 06 13:14:13 ah. Jun 06 13:14:53 what do u have so far? Jun 06 13:14:54 select a.* from a join b on a.id=b.id where b.name="1" Jun 06 13:17:31 having issues because I have identical column names in the two tables. Jun 06 13:17:40 task.id, folder.id Jun 06 13:18:08 you can rename the stuff on the fly Jun 06 13:18:20 select task.id as TASKID Jun 06 13:18:45 so that you and/or dont get confused Jun 06 13:19:14 Ok. Can't use select * anymore... Jun 06 13:19:30 i NEVER use select * Jun 06 13:22:21 so, I have task.id, task.label, task.folder and folder.id, folder.label Jun 06 13:22:27 anyone used snapElements in scroller definition? Jun 06 13:22:35 task.folder == folder.id Jun 06 13:23:00 from task join folder on task.id=folder.id Jun 06 13:23:27 select task.id as taskid, folder.id as folderid ... Jun 06 13:23:30 I want the result to have id, label, folder, folderID, folderLabel Jun 06 13:23:37 ok. Jun 06 13:24:01 select task.id as id, task.label as label, folder.id as folderID, folder.label as folderLabel Jun 06 13:24:03 select task.id as id, folder.id as folderId... Jun 06 13:24:08 yes Jun 06 13:24:18 should work ok for ya Jun 06 13:24:42 how to get the array of elements for snapElements? Jun 06 13:25:20 can I give them all the same name and get an array then? Jun 06 13:25:31 do I have to set up alias for columns that are unique to one table? Jun 06 13:25:44 no Jun 06 13:25:48 select task.id as id, parent, .... Jun 06 13:25:53 cool. Jun 06 13:26:07 but you need to write folder.parent Jun 06 13:27:00 or even better select t.id as id, f.parent from task t join folder f on t.folder=f.id Jun 06 13:27:08 MetaView: I think there is a prototype func that does a name => array deal for you right? Jun 06 13:27:17 (not id) Jun 06 13:27:20 hm, ok, will check it Jun 06 13:27:58 or one that find all elements that have a certain style applied to them Jun 06 13:28:29 getElementsByClassName is depreciated Jun 06 13:28:42 replaced by? Jun 06 13:28:57 getElementsByClassNamePlease ? Jun 06 13:29:03 :) Jun 06 13:29:44 no clue :) Jun 06 13:29:52 DoublePlease maybe... Jun 06 13:30:24 PPWFSOT (pulp fiction quote) Jun 06 13:32:16 http://www.prototypejs.org/api/utility/dollar-dollar Jun 06 13:34:18 thx Jun 06 13:36:14 yw Jun 06 13:44:07 if some task.folder has an id that doesn't exist in folders, and I'm selecting folder.sortorder as sortorder, how do I give it a default value for sortorder? Jun 06 13:44:31 i.e. task's folder is "no folder" which doesn't exist in the folders table Jun 06 13:52:59 it is possible to upload a file direct from /tmp/capture/digvisionsappdoinapps.jpg ? Jun 06 13:53:20 oops Jun 06 13:53:25 for example, Jun 06 13:53:31 I mena, from /tmp ?? Jun 06 13:53:34 mean* Jun 06 14:01:57 my scroller doesn't scroll, it's outside a dynamic list, maybe I have to tell him somehow how big the list is? Jun 06 14:05:15 haeffb: not sure if u found something yet but you could try this : http://sqlite.awardspace.us/syntax/sqlitepg09.htm Jun 06 14:05:20 I used height 100%, width 100% Jun 06 14:07:53 haeffb: forgot to set the size of the scroller, now it works Jun 06 14:19:26 out to boat... Jun 06 14:21:44 have fun haeffb Jun 06 14:21:47 c u l8r Jun 06 15:15:08 is there a way to reset the default css rules ? Jun 06 15:15:23 it seems *{margin:0; padding:0;} is not enough here :( Jun 06 15:15:49 and I get an unexpected bigger font size in a ol li Jun 06 15:18:44 ol li? Jun 06 15:19:08 ordered list / list item Jun 06 15:19:12 stanley Jun 06 15:19:14 ahh Jun 06 15:20:41 damn webos , screwing all my layout with rules coming out of nowhere Jun 06 15:20:53 the inspector should tell you specifically what's being styled by default Jun 06 15:21:05 what inspector ? Jun 06 15:21:18 it's with the sdk Jun 06 15:22:01 I'd link, but I'm on irc pre Jun 06 15:22:04 BigBiff: it does, doesn't it? "computed styles" Jun 06 15:22:19 yes Jun 06 15:22:29 BigBiff: found it, but it says "Disconnected. If you get disconnected as soon as you start Palm Inspector, make sure that the app is ready for inspection." Jun 06 15:22:38 how is it supposed to work ? Jun 06 15:22:52 Famic: palm-launch has a flag to put it in inspect mode Jun 06 15:22:54 before you run inspector Jun 06 15:22:59 k Jun 06 15:23:23 palm-launch -i com.whatever Jun 06 15:24:24 Famic: you can change styling values from within the inspector as well Jun 06 15:24:38 looks nice Jun 06 15:24:43 ya Jun 06 15:24:45 except that it didn't notice I went to another scene Jun 06 15:25:06 it's slow Jun 06 15:25:32 bah, I forget how to manually launch java applications Jun 06 15:25:46 java (something) MyJava.jar Jun 06 15:25:56 eck, java Jun 06 15:26:08 outa my league Jun 06 15:26:23 just trying to launch webos Quick Installer in Linux Jun 06 15:26:29 not having good luck yet Jun 06 15:26:35 isn't the shown markup supposed to update when I push a new scene? Jun 06 15:27:24 it should show both scenes now...2 scene scrollers Jun 06 15:27:44 but it can be glitchy Jun 06 15:27:49 Famic: yes, but I seem to recall a change a few versions back where it just appends the new scenes Jun 06 15:27:57 also, right-click -> refresh is helpful Jun 06 15:28:05 or reload Jun 06 15:28:09 whatever it's called Jun 06 15:28:10 ok got it now :) Jun 06 15:30:21 I was never able to alter css shortcuts from within inspector Jun 06 15:30:34 Happy Birthday, webOS Jun 06 15:30:40 is that today? Jun 06 15:30:43 padding: 10 15 Jun 06 15:30:44 neat! Jun 06 15:30:53 there doesn't seem to be anything inherited to change the font-size according to that inspector Jun 06 15:30:57 but it still changes Jun 06 15:31:45 what's the class? title? label? Jun 06 15:32:59 ooo bbl Jun 06 15:34:14 the paragraphs get their padding from file:///usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/338/stylesheets/global-base.css Jun 06 15:34:24 is there a way to override those defaults ? Jun 06 15:35:31 I mean reset all defaults and manually define what I need for css Jun 06 15:35:47 defaults are more a problem than a solution to me Jun 06 15:37:22 I suck at CSS, but I think what you have to do is override the classes in your own stylesheet Jun 06 15:38:05 sure, but replacing all defaults in painful. What I want is remove them all at once and then define the rules I need Jun 06 15:38:25 I don't think so Jun 06 15:38:35 I mean, I don't think you can do it that easily Jun 06 15:38:43 :( Jun 06 15:44:23 it's been a really long time since I've used Preware....does it normally take greater than 10 minutes to update just the palm-catalog feed? Jun 06 15:49:01 nope, not even the first time I used it Jun 06 15:53:22 suck Jun 06 16:03:45 argh...removed old preware can't install new preware Jun 06 16:03:57 I thought this shit was made for stupid people to be able to easily use Jun 06 16:04:33 * Templarian is watching as his pre turns on and off randomly... hmm. Jun 06 16:04:56 * sugardave goes to a ballet recital. Jun 06 16:42:57 how would you guys translate something that's "brash" ? Jun 06 16:43:49 you want an english translation for an english word ? o_O Jun 06 16:54:51 mother of pealr? Jun 06 16:55:34 for any palm folk here Jun 06 16:55:45 doubt it Jun 06 16:55:48 its sunday Jun 06 16:55:55 http://www.palm.com/us/search/developer.html <- "blog" links to pdnblog.com which is squatted Jun 06 16:56:38 Actually, I think the blogs just broken Jun 06 16:57:25 d.p.c/blog is fine tho Jun 06 17:04:31 tehe Jun 06 17:05:35 can i put a 2d array in a cookie? Jun 06 17:05:43 I think so.... Jun 06 17:05:46 websockets are cool Jun 06 17:06:55 is there a string size limit in a cookie Jun 06 17:07:02 i want to put a json object as string in there Jun 06 17:07:08 yeah, but I don't know what it is Jun 06 17:07:09 i dont think an array will cut it Jun 06 17:07:31 JSON.stringify should work to store it methinks Jun 06 17:08:53 Famic: did you work out your styling woes? Jun 06 17:09:50 BigBiff: I overrode the problematic rules with more specific selectors Jun 06 17:10:04 not the solution I was looking for, but it does the job Jun 06 17:10:05 excelent Jun 06 17:10:09 I'm digging into cookies now Jun 06 17:10:19 fun Jun 06 17:10:28 * halfhalo is playing with websockets Jun 06 17:10:34 about css I wish I could wipe out all rules and simply set my own rules though Jun 06 17:11:07 way easier than figuring out all the rules I need to override Jun 06 17:11:14 yes...the default css is often problematic Jun 06 17:12:02 styling variable length floating divs in lists has been my nemesis Jun 06 17:13:21 I still can't get them to work right - making the .selected class reach the row dividers correctly Jun 06 17:14:14 what's the issue ? Jun 06 17:14:55 I've got some rows where floating divs will be multiline Jun 06 17:15:56 .selected class doesn't go all the way to the row divider on a few of those Jun 06 17:16:33 but I really haven't messed with it yet ti correct the behavior Jun 06 17:17:34 if you can put it on a webpage I can take a look at it Jun 06 17:17:39 it has to do with the different float's padding not lining up Jun 06 17:18:25 tough to take a scrnshot-have to 'tap' Jun 06 17:19:49 plus I need to make it look purtier....dont want it public in current form :-) Jun 06 17:21:55 anyone know how to popup a submenu with html content? Jun 06 17:22:55 Hello,, Does anyone here has any idea regarding google app engines? If i want to run an application on pre in that environment,, Is it possible? Jun 06 17:23:05 anyone has any experience regarding this? Jun 06 17:23:37 appengine is a serverside thing by google .. Jun 06 17:23:53 rohit2: yeah anything serverside will work Jun 06 17:24:21 json or xml Jun 06 17:24:57 Is there any application already there on these lines,,?? I'd like to see it please.. Jun 06 17:25:50 LoneStar99: do you know how to popup a submenu with html content? Jun 06 17:26:10 http://webos101.com/Accessing_Web_Services Jun 06 17:26:53 HattCzech: no submenu experience Jun 06 17:27:03 dang, alright Jun 06 17:27:09 thanks anyway Jun 06 17:28:23 HattCzech: do you have a picture of what you want? Jun 06 17:28:43 something similar to the symbol popup menu Jun 06 17:28:52 how it overlays everything Jun 06 17:29:20 (and has an array of little buttons) Jun 06 17:29:33 do you want it to look like webos or custom? Jun 06 17:29:40 like webos Jun 06 17:29:48 no clue Jun 06 17:30:01 i basically want a list to popup, but that looks like the symbol popup Jun 06 17:30:26 no idea really Jun 06 17:33:59 ah well, the trickiness continues Jun 06 17:34:32 webos is all about listening Jun 06 17:35:00 do you want to build a dynamic system of symbols? Jun 06 17:35:07 yeah Jun 06 17:36:06 i basically want to duplicate the symbol menu Jun 06 17:37:56 will the symbols always be the same or will they change Jun 06 17:38:01 same Jun 06 17:39:41 if you want the same I am sure that it is an open concept Jun 06 17:41:18 need to go paint with my sister Jun 06 17:41:59 i'm getting a bit closer Jun 06 17:42:06 it's the popup i think i'll have issues with :) Jun 06 18:54:12 can someone tell me how to stop menu items from being auto capitolized Jun 06 18:57:35 http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Style_the_app_menu_.28In_this_case.2C_remove_capitalization.29: Jun 06 18:58:36 well... I don't know what menu you want but that is the basic idea. you just need to find out the id or class of the menu you want to remove capitalization from Jun 06 19:57:02 okay...working now? Jun 06 19:57:36 anyone see me? Jun 06 19:57:40 no Jun 06 19:57:56 awesome, totally invisible Jun 06 19:58:14 to the ladies dressing room! Jun 06 20:00:07 anyone have chrome and feel like testing something for me? Jun 06 20:15:39 hi Jun 06 20:15:46 hallo Jun 06 20:15:52 :) Jun 06 20:18:49 i'm developing an app and I need to resize a image and upload it. so I use the webkit (webview) hack way. Jun 06 20:18:49 I need to upload, but the hack only works with PNG. there is some other technique to resize a jpg? Jun 06 20:19:03 No idea Jun 06 20:19:14 hm Jun 06 20:28:01 will try to do in PDL Jun 06 21:36:09 good night Jun 06 23:04:27 ok, this channel needs some chat, so heres first in 1.5 hrs Jun 06 23:05:11 chatchatchat Jun 06 23:05:37 heh. I ran off bmyers and warpdesign Jun 06 23:05:55 hi BigBiff Jun 06 23:06:56 chatty chat chat Jun 06 23:07:04 hi haeffb Jun 06 23:07:07 hi JenP Jun 06 23:08:02 how's it going? Jun 06 23:09:52 just got in from boating Jun 06 23:09:56 beautiful day Jun 06 23:10:02 gah Jun 06 23:10:05 very cool Jun 06 23:10:08 stupid irc js thingie Jun 06 23:10:21 need to prepare some food...bbiab Jun 06 23:10:33 byes Jun 06 23:11:03 my shiny irc client is having buffer issues Jun 06 23:11:14 and by shiny, I mean pos Jun 06 23:11:20 lol Jun 06 23:11:38 BUT its using websockets and node.js, which means its shiny Jun 06 23:17:15 oh Jun 06 23:17:21 I feel retarted now Jun 06 23:31:09 lol Jun 06 23:39:03 so new iphone tomorrow? Jun 06 23:42:59 yay! Jun 06 23:43:08 oh... I mean, boo! Jun 06 23:43:12 :) Jun 06 23:50:42 meh Jun 06 23:52:16 hehe Jun 07 00:31:49 one more successful ballet recital done Jun 07 00:32:51 is that code for something? Jun 07 00:33:02 nope :D Jun 07 00:33:24 oh… oh god Jun 07 00:33:30 cops marathon Jun 07 00:33:46 oh, anyone have chrome and want to help me with something? Jun 07 00:34:00 I have iron, it's chromium Jun 07 00:34:11 just go here: http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client.html Jun 07 00:34:22 testing the websockets connection again Jun 07 00:34:33 nothing Jun 07 00:34:35 you can see it connecting to irc if you look at the console Jun 07 00:34:38 just a blank page Jun 07 00:34:43 look at the console Jun 07 00:34:45 oh Jun 07 00:34:47 and it worked Jun 07 00:35:01 6 Jun 17:34:24 - Initializing client with transport "websocket" Jun 07 00:35:01 6 Jun 17:34:24 - Client 6845702668651938 connected Jun 07 00:35:15 pretty slick :D Jun 07 00:35:17 yup Jun 07 00:35:23 real time as well Jun 07 00:35:33 coolio Jun 07 00:35:52 yup Jun 07 00:35:59 and everything is written in js Jun 07 00:37:25 using websockets is stupidly simple Jun 07 00:37:46 good, I've never done any socket programming Jun 07 00:37:49 like, holy crap I could do that in my sleep Jun 07 00:38:30 on the server there is a grand total of three listeners: onClientConnect, on ClientDisconnect, onclientMessage Jun 07 00:38:50 and the server has two ways to send data, to a specific client or to all of them Jun 07 00:39:16 on the client you have on connect, on disconnect, and on message Jun 07 00:39:48 and to send a message all it is is socket.send(string) Jun 07 00:41:17 I have a wrapper class on both ends to stringify and parse json to send it Jun 07 00:42:41 only issue is the pipe will close when no data is sent through it after a while Jun 07 00:46:16 halfhalo: let BP know...they could use a solution that closes pipes Jun 07 00:46:30 true.... Jun 07 00:46:32 :p Jun 07 00:47:46 hallo Jun 07 00:56:37 anyone know a way to increase the amount of memory available for apps for the pixi? I couldn't find a patch via preware and according to jstop I start running into the card error at ~30 MB Jun 07 00:57:19 30 MB seems awfully low even for the pixi... Jun 07 00:58:26 hello Jun 07 00:58:35 LoneStar99: no hurry for translations Jun 07 00:58:38 hi Jun 07 00:58:54 Bmyers: ping Jun 07 00:59:22 this works: CASE WHEN t.folder=0 THEN '0' ELSE f.sortorder END as sortorder, Jun 07 01:00:02 anyone? :( Jun 07 01:00:13 haeffb; k Jun 07 01:00:13 not a clue Jun 07 01:00:40 no idea Jun 07 01:06:03 haeffb: u need russian translations? Jun 07 01:11:49 is the Pre in russia? Jun 07 01:46:04 is there anyway to disable the screen timeout? Jun 07 01:46:38 nm Jun 07 01:46:41 found it Jun 07 02:43:36 haeffb haeffb_pre pong Jun 07 02:44:50 got the sql working Jun 07 02:45:13 yeah cool.. CASE eh? Jun 07 02:46:52 yep, worked like a charm Jun 07 02:47:52 on the select * thing. you should avoid that. bad mojo.. Jun 07 02:47:57 thanks Jun 07 02:48:04 really? Jun 07 02:48:51 even when I want it all? Jun 07 02:49:04 i gave it up about 10-12 years ago. Jun 07 02:49:18 in PHP in can really cause problems. Jun 07 02:49:51 but when you add to the table you usually have to go back thru all your code and fix stuff Jun 07 02:50:25 really it up to you but I stay away from it Jun 07 02:50:52 can get confusing if you have similarly named cols' in tables Jun 07 02:51:03 which is common Jun 07 02:51:12 ok. off the soap box... Jun 07 02:51:17 so how was boating? Jun 07 02:51:37 boating was good. great day Jun 07 02:52:34 tornado watches here kept me onshore Jun 07 02:53:20 we had tornado/t-storm warnings fri & sat evenings Jun 07 02:53:31 big hail fri Jun 07 02:55:04 hail is not fun. Jun 07 02:55:12 got git working yesterday... Jun 07 02:55:24 yeah in komodo? Jun 07 02:55:34 surprised my truck not damaged Jun 07 02:55:34 or eclipse? Jun 07 02:55:38 eclipse Jun 07 02:55:49 egit Jun 07 02:56:03 of course Jun 07 02:56:36 don't know if there's anything for komodo Jun 07 02:56:59 komo ide maybe. not sure about edit, could be Jun 07 02:57:32 starting to really like eclipse now that I know how to do some stuff Jun 07 02:57:50 it's a good editor. I like it for C and stuff Jun 07 02:57:54 validation, git, outlines... Jun 07 02:58:05 yeah outlines are great Jun 07 02:58:18 wish there was something like that for komo Jun 07 02:59:07 hows done doing? get some decent sales this weekend? Jun 07 02:59:33 I dunno...sales updates seem sporadic Jun 07 02:59:49 may reports are out, tho **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 02:59:56 2010