**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 08 02:59:56 2010
Jun 08 03:00:53 <halfhalo> js wirc or gtfo
Jun 08 03:01:05 <halfhalo> you heard me, get the fridge out
Jun 08 03:01:23 <oil> lol
Jun 08 03:01:24 <halfhalo> I need to sweep under it
Jun 08 03:01:33 <oil> well, we know how to do plugins
Jun 08 03:01:43 <oil> i haven't seen anything about the js services
Jun 08 03:01:49 <haeffb> ya, y'all have been busy
Jun 08 03:01:49 <oil> though, why change what we already have working
Jun 08 03:02:02 <halfhalo> because node.js is fun
Jun 08 03:07:12 <haeffb> this is cool: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7483
Jun 08 03:11:17 <oil> still no ssl support though xD
Jun 08 03:18:54 <rolsworth> i was messing with the HTC 4G today and damn I am happy i did not waste an upgrade on one
Jun 08 03:19:07 <rolsworth> the screen looks to be 16bit
Jun 08 03:23:08 <oil> no retinal technology?
Jun 08 03:23:19 <oil> lol
Jun 08 03:29:14 <rolsworth> how could they put a 16bit screen i don't understand
Jun 08 03:29:51 <rolsworth> when i did the comparison the pre screen looks crisp and clear while the Evo pictures looked washed out.
Jun 08 03:43:41 <Chriswebos> what are the available sounds for alarms?
Jun 08 03:46:51 <destinal> oil: yup, it's retina compatible -- you can use retinas with a palm pre, no special equipment required!  (those palm folks are geniuses)
Jun 08 03:47:06 <BigBiff> no idea Chris
Jun 08 03:47:17 <BigBiff> but Colbert just sold 1mill more iphones
Jun 08 04:17:11 <BigBiff> yikes
Jun 08 04:17:19 <BigBiff> i havent had a scope issue in awhile
Jun 08 04:21:48 <BigBiff> any sql gurus still awake?
Jun 08 04:53:16 <codeslaw> yo
Jun 08 05:06:06 <sk1tt1sh> hello
Jun 08 05:06:37 <sk1tt1sh> i have a question regarding com.palm.messaging
Jun 08 05:11:29 <sk1tt1sh> well if anyone here knows: I was wondering in the MmsWapCodePageForJWap.class if this is all sprint specific stuff, or should it work for all carriers?
Jun 08 05:12:18 <sk1tt1sh> or, lol, if that is even where carrier specifics is done. (Im terrible at java :( )
Jun 08 05:20:54 <Amaranth> so it seems the OS X PDK install only supports 1.4.0, not 1.4.1.1?
Jun 08 05:38:37 <HattCzech> anyone here think they can help me with some php?
Jun 08 05:40:00 <BigBiff> i hate php - but i'll take a look
Jun 08 05:40:18 <BigBiff> paste?
Jun 08 05:40:48 <HattCzech> just figured it out
Jun 08 05:41:01 <HattCzech> couldn't understand the structure i returned from my sql table
Jun 08 05:41:25 <HattCzech> $var[0]['label'] finally worked
Jun 08 05:41:44 <BigBiff> ahh
Jun 08 05:41:51 <BigBiff> i'm stuck on sqlite
Jun 08 05:42:04 <HattCzech> i'm reasonable with sql
Jun 08 05:42:09 <HattCzech> what are you trying to do?
Jun 08 05:42:17 <BigBiff> make a favs page
Jun 08 05:42:29 <BigBiff> i've got the data IN the db
Jun 08 05:42:52 <codeslaw> anyone here able to help with a Makefile issue
Jun 08 05:42:54 <BigBiff> but i'm not getting it out
Jun 08 05:43:11 <HattCzech> where are you trying to use the data?
Jun 08 05:43:17 <HattCzech> and how are you trying to pull it?
Jun 08 05:43:32 <BigBiff> throw it in a list
Jun 08 05:44:23 <BigBiff> actually, it's saying the db is empty - guess i didnt insert correctly somehow
Jun 08 05:44:33 <HattCzech> have you checked out this... http://www.webos101.com/Getting_JSON_From_An_External_MySQL_Database
Jun 08 05:45:21 <BigBiff> ya - that part is fine
Jun 08 05:45:48 <BigBiff> i'm passing an item from a list to a new scene, displaying all of it's info
Jun 08 05:46:02 <BigBiff> then i want to put that into sql
Jun 08 05:46:32 <BigBiff> i think i have it set up correctly
Jun 08 05:48:30 <BigBiff> sqlite i should say
Jun 08 05:48:42 <HattCzech> i'm still trying to figure all that stuff out as well
Jun 08 05:59:14 <codeslaw> anyone else ever try what the they think is the exact same thing 20 times only to find it works on the 21st?
Jun 08 05:59:55 <BigBiff> in my case it's not working on the 51st try
Jun 08 06:00:27 <BigBiff> i have a command menu that will not fire in one scene - setup  exactly the same way as in other scenes
Jun 08 06:00:41 <BigBiff> really aggravating
Jun 08 06:01:27 <BigBiff> i'm giving up - going to bed
Jun 08 06:01:29 <BigBiff> later all
Jun 08 06:22:36 <sk1tt1sh> see ya
Jun 08 06:23:29 <HotDP> Good morning
Jun 08 06:24:38 <sk1tt1sh> howdy
Jun 08 06:25:06 <HotDP> Anyone know when you get money from app store when you have a paid app?
Jun 08 06:26:52 <sk1tt1sh> ask nicely
Jun 08 06:26:58 <sk1tt1sh> lol jk jk sorry
Jun 08 06:43:56 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 08 06:49:51 <codeslaw> OHMYGOD
Jun 08 06:49:54 <codeslaw> 5 hours
Jun 08 06:49:56 <codeslaw> she works
Jun 08 06:50:12 <codeslaw> i dont even know what i changed
Jun 08 06:50:25 <codeslaw> i feel like i did the same thing 10 times in a row
Jun 08 06:56:48 <swisstomcat> morning codeslaw
Jun 08 06:57:13 <codeslaw> morning swiss
Jun 08 06:57:26 <codeslaw> though in actuality i'm about to go to sleep
Jun 08 06:57:28 <swisstomcat> what are you working on these days?
Jun 08 06:57:35 <codeslaw> PDK version of paintr
Jun 08 06:57:40 <swisstomcat> oh, cool
Jun 08 06:57:47 <swisstomcat> making good progress?
Jun 08 06:57:59 <codeslaw> just barely got the base engine running and displaying
Jun 08 06:58:17 <swisstomcat> you'll have multitouch
Jun 08 06:58:17 <swisstomcat> and image saving
Jun 08 06:58:25 <codeslaw> yes
Jun 08 06:58:32 <codeslaw> though, if i go hybrid, multitouch doesn't work yet =/
Jun 08 06:59:09 <codeslaw> right now, just going to build out the full engine side of things. if hybrid apps remain gimped, i'll have to try and make a UI in c++
Jun 08 07:00:12 <swisstomcat> yikes
Jun 08 07:00:12 <swisstomcat> i hope hybrid apps will work out well
Jun 08 07:00:12 <swisstomcat> at some point :)
Jun 08 07:02:07 <swisstomcat> maybe we'll get flash before working hybrid apps .. who knows
Jun 08 07:04:49 <codeslaw> ha that would be ironic
Jun 08 07:05:01 <codeslaw> i could have this whole thing built in flash by now
Jun 08 07:05:16 <codeslaw> but... flash would suffer the same multitouch issues
Jun 08 07:05:20 <codeslaw> if it ran as a web app
Jun 08 07:05:26 <codeslaw> all touch events get piped through webkit
Jun 08 07:05:34 <codeslaw> which is why its broke with hybrid apps currently
Jun 08 07:07:10 <swisstomcat> i hope they fix that
Jun 08 07:07:48 <swisstomcat> implement the more advanced multitouch version that webkit on the iphone&android uses
Jun 08 07:07:58 <swisstomcat> instead of mouseup/down/move
Jun 08 07:16:20 <codeslaw> indeed
Jun 08 07:16:23 <codeslaw> ok off to bed
Jun 08 07:16:25 <codeslaw> talk to you later
Jun 08 07:16:43 <swisstomcat> cu
Jun 08 07:16:44 <swisstomcat> sleep well
Jun 08 07:16:54 <oil> swisstomcat: wirc is working as a hybrid right now
Jun 08 07:17:00 <oil> (an unreleased version)
Jun 08 07:17:02 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 08 07:18:19 <swisstomcat> cool beans
Jun 08 07:25:05 <rohit2> hello can anyone give some pointers regarding using google app engine with python for a cloud app on webos?
Jun 08 07:25:32 <swisstomcat> hi rohit2
Jun 08 07:26:03 <rohit2> hi swisstomcat
Jun 08 07:28:34 <rohit2> please help me out if you can :)
Jun 08 07:36:25 <rohit2> sorry i got disconnected,, please repeat the answer if you replied
Jun 08 07:37:22 <HotDP> he did not reply
Jun 08 07:38:59 <rohit2> ok.. can anyone please pass any pointers regarding using python with google app engine to have webOS application on cloud??
Jun 08 08:17:16 <rwhitby> lemketron: ping
Jun 08 10:37:35 <Simpson_2> hi all
Jun 08 10:37:46 <Simpson_2> is there already any work done on a VOIP client for webos ?
Jun 08 10:44:33 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jun 08 10:50:03 <warpdesign> hi there
Jun 08 10:52:08 <swisstomcat> hey warpdesign
Jun 08 11:10:54 <Simpson_2> is there already any work done on a VOIP client for webos ?
Jun 08 11:45:52 <BigBiff> anyone awake?
Jun 08 11:58:44 <haeffb> hey BigBiff
Jun 08 12:05:10 <BigBiff> hi haeffb
Jun 08 12:15:55 <swisstomcat> hi
Jun 08 12:15:58 <swisstomcat> everyone
Jun 08 12:16:22 <swisstomcat> simpson2: apparently, i saw some posts in the precentral forum
Jun 08 12:18:31 <Simpson_2> swisstomcat, okay I've been reading on them as well,nothing usable yet unfortunatly
Jun 08 12:18:38 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 08 12:18:55 <Simpson_2> I'll have to keep my nokia e51 close then ;)
Jun 08 12:19:49 <BigBiff> wow, i cant even push a scene now
Jun 08 12:20:19 <BigBiff> Cannot read property 'stageController' of undefined
Jun 08 12:21:38 <swisstomcat> where?
Jun 08 12:24:07 <BigBiff> wtf
Jun 08 12:24:22 <swisstomcat> post some code? maybe it's just a typo?
Jun 08 12:24:30 <BigBiff> ok, maybe theres a typo - i'm goin nuts
Jun 08 12:25:16 <BigBiff> this.controller.stageController.pushScene('favs', favArray, "Favorites");
Jun 08 12:26:08 <swisstomcat> this.controller.pushScene("xyz")?
Jun 08 12:28:00 <BigBiff> cannot call method 'pushScene' of undefined
Jun 08 12:28:36 <BigBiff> it's somethin dumb
Jun 08 12:28:40 <swisstomcat> something is messed up with this in that case
Jun 08 12:28:51 <swisstomcat> can you post some more code .. where is that pushscene called?
Jun 08 12:31:17 <BigBiff> after a db transaction
Jun 08 12:31:20 <BigBiff> hmm
Jun 08 12:31:38 <BigBiff> do i have to close the db?
Jun 08 12:31:47 <BigBiff> like in php?
Jun 08 12:31:48 <haeffb_pre> no
Jun 08 12:32:00 <haeffb_pre> soinds like a scope problem
Jun 08 12:32:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 08 12:32:20 <BigBiff> ya, with the array - that's what i'm thinkin
Jun 08 12:32:20 <haeffb_pre> 'this' is undefined
Jun 08 12:32:37 <swisstomcat> why don't push the scene in a callback from the transaction?
Jun 08 12:33:02 <swisstomcat> e.g if transaction went trough ok -> callback - push scene
Jun 08 12:33:10 <swisstomcat> unless you already do that
Jun 08 12:33:23 <BigBiff> then i lose the array - i cant set this.array[i] = results.rows.items(i)
Jun 08 12:33:35 <BigBiff> it doesnt like 'this'
Jun 08 12:33:58 <BigBiff> ahh, i'll pass it
Jun 08 12:34:09 <BigBiff> duh
Jun 08 12:35:09 <Bmyers> JS halitosis
Jun 08 12:35:28 <swisstomcat> this is confusing
Jun 08 12:35:34 <swisstomcat> :)
Jun 08 12:35:39 <Bmyers> (out of scope)
Jun 08 12:35:42 * rwhitby got some palm stickers in the mail today :)
Jun 08 12:36:18 <swisstomcat> nice
Jun 08 12:37:39 <Bmyers> any frenany francophones here today?
Jun 08 12:37:45 <Bmyers> francophone
Jun 08 12:39:05 <swisstomcat> ask warpdesign
Jun 08 12:39:27 <swisstomcat> unless francophone refers to a type of mobile phone :)
Jun 08 12:41:02 <Simpson_2> is there any reason why the tasks on the Pre are not 'syncable'
Jun 08 12:41:39 <swisstomcat> good question
Jun 08 12:42:25 <swisstomcat> you can use other services for tasks tho (e.g toodledo)
Jun 08 12:42:46 <Simpson_2> I've setup 'Lotus Notes Traveler' to work with the pre now, just to find out that tasks are not syncable per design
Jun 08 12:42:53 <Simpson_2> while EAS supports it
Jun 08 12:42:58 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 08 12:57:18 <BigBiff> i've lost all scope :(
Jun 08 12:58:20 <swisstomcat> in a philosphical way?
Jun 08 12:58:47 <BigBiff> in every way
Jun 08 12:59:12 <BigBiff> can you call it implicitly? MyAssistant.controller.stageController.pushScene
Jun 08 12:59:13 <swisstomcat> post some code .. then we might be able to help
Jun 08 12:59:45 <swisstomcat> good question
Jun 08 12:59:56 <BigBiff> cause that doesnt work either, heh
Jun 08 13:00:03 <swisstomcat> try it?
Jun 08 13:06:39 <BigBiff> tabs are jacked in the paste , but:  http://www.pastebin.org/318434
Jun 08 13:07:29 <swisstomcat> you definitly use scope if you do it that way
Jun 08 13:07:46 <BigBiff> ya, 'this' is totally dead after the db transaction
Jun 08 13:08:04 <BigBiff> and i dont know why
Jun 08 13:08:47 <BigBiff> i've tried that=this within the function
Jun 08 13:09:02 <BigBiff> to call that.controller...etc
Jun 08 13:09:32 <BigBiff> i think steve jobs gave my sdk a virus
Jun 08 13:10:52 <swisstomcat> StatesAssistant.prototype.pushFavs(); kills your scope
Jun 08 13:11:19 <swisstomcat> how many times do you call gotoFavs btw?
Jun 08 13:11:28 <swisstomcat> severals times in the life of the app?
Jun 08 13:11:41 <swisstomcat> because you open the database every time you call gotoFavs and that's bad
Jun 08 13:11:51 <swisstomcat> i read
Jun 08 13:12:16 <BigBiff> this.pushFavs() did not work
Jun 08 13:12:53 <swisstomcat> StatesAssistant.prototype.pushFavs().bind(this); would work but it's ugly
Jun 08 13:13:25 <swisstomcat> whoops
Jun 08 13:13:30 <BigBiff> what i've got is getting me to that function, the error is on the controller
Jun 08 13:13:45 <swisstomcat> bind will get you the right scope
Jun 08 13:13:55 <BigBiff> cannot read property 'stageController' of undefined
Jun 08 13:14:10 <BigBiff> i'll give it a go
Jun 08 13:15:04 <BigBiff> i should have .bind(this) within the dbtransaction as well right?
Jun 08 13:16:56 <swisstomcat> not really, because you have no functions you call in there
Jun 08 13:17:16 <swisstomcat> but mind that pushFavs is called even when the transaction fails
Jun 08 13:17:17 <BigBiff> i originally was trying to push the scene from within
Jun 08 13:17:58 <BigBiff> to a different scene, passing the array - my paste is a generic scene that has no args
Jun 08 13:22:38 <BigBiff> wow
Jun 08 13:22:58 <BigBiff> ok so - the button that i was using for this...
Jun 08 13:23:07 <BigBiff> originally had a different handler
Jun 08 13:23:38 <BigBiff> i set it to this handler just to test the sql - i didnt bind it
Jun 08 13:23:53 <BigBiff> i knew it was something dumb
Jun 08 13:24:23 <BigBiff> srry swisstomcat - that was a waste of 20 minutes
Jun 08 13:24:29 <BigBiff> hah
Jun 08 13:26:16 <BigBiff> wouldnt have gotten it without your bind reminder
Jun 08 13:26:29 <swisstomcat> oh well
Jun 08 13:26:49 <BigBiff> i hate being dumb
Jun 08 13:27:14 <BigBiff> ok, thx for your time - daughter's now beggin for comp (i hate moshi monsters)
Jun 08 13:52:36 <HattCzech_work> morning
Jun 08 13:57:14 <swisstomcat> morning hattczech .. how is txt-group doing?
Jun 08 13:59:18 <Simpson_2> swisstomcat, interesting enough on my Notes Traveler installation actualy can push tasks over activesync ( tested it with a nokia ), so I really wonder why tasks on the palm aren't synced
Jun 08 14:00:22 <warpdesign_> hi
Jun 08 14:00:30 <swisstomcat> i think it's a limitation, simpson2
Jun 08 14:00:46 <warpdesign_> anyone knows if webos supports -webkit-backface-visibility css property ?
Jun 08 14:01:41 <swisstomcat> i thought there was a chart of supported css properties
Jun 08 14:02:38 <swisstomcat> somewhere
Jun 08 14:03:06 <Simpson_2> :)
Jun 08 14:03:26 <Simpson_2> swisstomcat, so one should create that ?
Jun 08 14:08:43 <swisstomcat> probably
Jun 08 14:11:04 <HattCzech_work> yay, web chat is working again
Jun 08 14:11:11 <HattCzech_work> hopefully for longer than 5 minutes
Jun 08 14:11:56 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: i need some ideas on how i can "register" devices
Jun 08 14:12:21 <HattCzech_work> i was thinking a one-time thing... but then i feel there would be some way to circumvent it or something
Jun 08 14:12:52 <HattCzech_work> (granted, there will always be some way to do that, but i just don't want it to be easy)
Jun 08 14:14:36 <swisstomcat> i do registration for my apps
Jun 08 14:15:21 <swisstomcat> but i also have an option to skip registration
Jun 08 14:15:30 <swisstomcat> registration rate is approx. 50%
Jun 08 14:34:04 <HattCzech_work> my registration will remove ads (if they've donated)
Jun 08 14:34:28 <HattCzech_work> but i'm wondering if i should verify periodically?
Jun 08 14:34:36 <HattCzech_work> or possibly every time?
Jun 08 14:35:15 <HattCzech_work> (as in... check to see if they've registered, if they have, don't load ads... if they haven't... send request to admob)
Jun 08 14:38:35 <swisstomcat> ah, i remember that discussion
Jun 08 14:38:38 <swisstomcat> does it work?
Jun 08 14:41:23 <HebrewzHammer> Anyone else having problems with Palm Backup? Mine wouldn't update so I turned it off to delete the old profile and start new and now it has just been sitting there showing me the spinner for 20min. now
Jun 08 14:45:02 <JenP> hi all
Jun 08 14:45:20 <swisstomcat> hi jenp
Jun 08 14:45:36 <JenP> hi swisstomcat
Jun 08 14:47:25 <HattCzech_work> for the most part, it works :)
Jun 08 14:47:33 <HattCzech_work> i just don't know how much of a load my server can handle
Jun 08 14:47:55 <HattCzech_work> i should have a testing version of the app for you soon (if you have time) :)
Jun 08 14:48:01 <swisstomcat> how many users do you have?
Jun 08 14:48:41 <HattCzech_work> 0
Jun 08 14:48:51 <HattCzech_work> oh, wait... 1 (including me)
Jun 08 14:48:52 <HattCzech_work> :)
Jun 08 14:49:06 <HattCzech_work> oh, you mean people that use the app?
Jun 08 14:49:28 <HattCzech_work> there are about 4000 requests a day to admob
Jun 08 14:49:28 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 08 14:49:32 <swisstomcat> because of serverload
Jun 08 14:50:09 <HattCzech_work> so about 3 requests a minute
Jun 08 14:50:31 <swisstomcat> let me check my stats
Jun 08 14:50:56 <HattCzech_work> and what kind of server do you have? (mine's a personal at-home NAS) :)
Jun 08 14:51:20 <swisstomcat> ISP shared server
Jun 08 14:51:40 <HattCzech_work> i have a friend with a server that i might be able to piggy-back on
Jun 08 14:51:41 <swisstomcat> i had 54k hits in may for registration
Jun 08 14:53:02 <HattCzech_work> what does registration for your app provide?
Jun 08 14:53:29 <swisstomcat> to see how many users i have
Jun 08 14:56:11 <HattCzech_work> do you ask them or just do it automatically?
Jun 08 14:56:47 <swisstomcat> i don't ask them
Jun 08 14:56:52 <swisstomcat> which is not 100% ok, i know
Jun 08 14:57:26 <swisstomcat> i need a privacy policy that states the fact
Jun 08 14:57:30 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jun 08 15:07:05 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to use virtualbox through a proxy?
Jun 08 15:10:34 <HattCzech_work> anyone here somewhat familiar with php?
Jun 08 15:54:28 <warpdesign_> yes HattCzech_work
Jun 08 15:54:37 <warpdesign_> (familiar with php)
Jun 08 15:57:58 <HattCzech_work> i think i got it figured out... but thanks
Jun 08 15:58:21 <warpdesign_> ok, nop :)
Jun 08 17:07:14 <Famic> how can I trigger the back gesture ?
Jun 08 17:08:41 <Tibfib> Famic: what do you mean?
Jun 08 17:08:47 <Tibfib> like pop the scene?
Jun 08 17:09:04 <Famic> I suppose so... make a button do the exact same thing a back gesture would naturally do
Jun 08 17:09:57 <Tibfib> this.controller.stageController.popScene()?
Jun 08 17:10:35 <Tibfib> something like that...http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1872&Itemid=244#.popScene
Jun 08 17:12:17 <Famic> I was really looking for a trigger, so that if anything else gets bound to the back gesture it applies as well, but I'll go with this for now. thanks
Jun 08 17:19:32 <Tibfib> I see what you mean.
Jun 08 17:20:08 <Tibfib> maybe event = {}; event.type = Mojo.Event.back; this.handleCommand(event)?
Jun 08 17:34:10 <BigBiff> scope still killin me
Jun 08 17:39:36 <BigBiff> how do you get 'this' recognized in an inner function
Jun 08 17:45:07 <pandora--> BigBiff: bind it?
Jun 08 17:48:19 <BigBiff> ya, just not sure which end to bind-this is not my strong suit
Jun 08 17:49:21 <Tibfib> BigBiff: I don't think you can
Jun 08 17:49:40 <BigBiff> of course I'm not at comp now, so no experimenting
Jun 08 17:59:11 <errade> .
Jun 08 17:59:22 <pandora--> .
Jun 08 17:59:37 <pandora--> errade: good work Casey.
Jun 08 18:00:10 <errade> My work is always good :)
Jun 08 18:00:28 <Tibfib> maybe function funcname(){ //dostuff }.bind(this) ?
Jun 08 18:00:38 * pandora-- nods
Jun 08 18:03:05 <rohit2> Hello,, any idea about google gears and their working with webOS apps
Jun 08 18:03:08 <rohit2> ??
Jun 08 18:04:46 <bsiegel> most of google gears functionality is already included with html5 and/or the mojo sdk
Jun 08 18:05:00 <bsiegel> in fact chrome no longer uses gears, it's all html5 now
Jun 08 18:06:02 <rohit2> ok,, thanks,, and any idea of google appengine using python and webos app?? I found related stuff for GAE with java..
Jun 08 18:07:28 <bsiegel> if you run web services on appengine (regardless of what language you use to make them) you can communicate with it using a standard xmlhttprequest
Jun 08 18:09:34 <rohit2> okay,, thnks,,
Jun 08 18:26:15 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jun 08 18:29:03 <warpdesign> rehi ;)
Jun 08 18:43:52 <Simpson_2> okay this might be a very stupid question, but how do I manage and arrange applications in the launcher ??
Jun 08 18:44:06 <Simpson_2> every tutorial I look for seems to end up at a developer site
Jun 08 18:45:57 <swisstomcat> you can drag the applications around
Jun 08 18:48:35 <Simpson_2> i just seem to drag the cards
Jun 08 18:48:41 * Simpson_2 obviously misses something
Jun 08 18:50:30 <bsiegel> tap and hold on the app's icon and you will be able to drag it to other positions / pages
Jun 08 18:51:41 <Simpson_2> ah ;)
Jun 08 18:51:51 <Simpson_2> is there a reference somewhere ???
Jun 08 18:52:07 <swisstomcat> the manual? :)
Jun 08 18:52:32 <Simpson_2> with my phone thats a) in a foreign language, and 2) only 4pages
Jun 08 18:53:24 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 08 18:53:45 <swisstomcat> i wonder if there's an online manual
Jun 08 18:53:47 <swisstomcat> let me check
Jun 08 18:54:00 <bsiegel> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/learn/page_en.html
Jun 08 18:54:15 <bsiegel> those should be the same animations that the Help app uses
Jun 08 18:55:36 <swisstomcat> here it is
Jun 08 18:55:37 <swisstomcat> http://learning.palm.com/
Jun 08 18:55:42 <swisstomcat> self pacing learning guide
Jun 08 18:57:32 <Simpson_2> excellent
Jun 08 19:02:19 <Simpson_2> and how to remove a application ?
Jun 08 19:03:29 <swisstomcat> list apps... in the menu
Jun 08 19:03:33 <swisstomcat> you can remove it from there
Jun 08 19:03:51 <BigBiff_> hah - finally got it
Jun 08 19:03:54 <swisstomcat> and there is a shortcut too i think with the orange/grey button
Jun 08 19:04:30 <Simpson_2> ack
Jun 08 19:04:33 <Simpson_2> thx
Jun 08 19:04:57 <pandora--> Simpson_2: yeah, in grid view, just hold the orange/grey key and tap the application
Jun 08 19:06:42 <Simpson_2> yup works thx !
Jun 08 19:10:01 <BigBiff_> that = this = fixed
Jun 08 19:16:10 <Bmyers> warpdesign ping
Jun 08 19:16:52 <warpdesign> pong Bmyers
Jun 08 19:17:09 <Bmyers> hey. i heard from someone you're a French speaker?
Jun 08 19:17:38 <Bmyers> oui?
Jun 08 19:21:24 <HotDP> What is an good alternativ to Radio Button?
Jun 08 19:21:39 <JenP> HotDP a slider
Jun 08 19:21:53 <pandora--> yeaj
Jun 08 19:21:58 <Bmyers> hey JenP didnt see you there in the corner..
Jun 08 19:22:04 <HotDP> Damn radio button bug in Ares :S
Jun 08 19:22:08 <JenP> yawn...cause i just woke up
Jun 08 19:22:29 <Bmyers> napping time at work? that new job comes with some nice perks
Jun 08 19:22:53 <JenP> smiles...no took the day off. Needed a little stress free time
Jun 08 19:23:07 <HotDP> You  have to choose between two values, and i can see the slider has "alot" of values?
Jun 08 19:23:25 <Tibfib> list selector?
Jun 08 19:23:36 <JenP> slider has a lot of values? i thought it's a yes/no item
Jun 08 19:23:50 <JenP> ohhhh yeah list selector like tibfib said
Jun 08 19:23:58 <Tibfib> or if you need yes/no use a toggle
Jun 08 19:24:20 <pandora--> yeah
Jun 08 19:24:27 <pandora--> toggles are easy to work with
Jun 08 19:24:50 <HotDP> OMG.. sorry guys but am ready explode
Jun 08 19:24:51 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 08 19:24:56 <HotDP> DAMN ARES!
Jun 08 19:24:58 <swisstomcat> sliders have several values
Jun 08 19:25:11 <HotDP> There is a bug where i can't edit the JSON data with translations
Jun 08 19:25:22 <swisstomcat> did you get any comments on that bug?
Jun 08 19:25:24 <HotDP> So Radio Button AND the list item wont work :S
Jun 08 19:25:32 <HotDP> Not a single reply!
Jun 08 19:25:46 <Bmyers> speaking of translations. i need a tester for a french version of my app
Jun 08 19:25:48 <swisstomcat> not good
Jun 08 19:26:11 <HotDP> its not good for my health :(
Jun 08 19:26:15 <HotDP> What can i do/use?
Jun 08 19:27:04 <swisstomcat> you can't just use english for now?
Jun 08 19:27:29 <HotDP> So the whole app is translation but not two radio buttons?
Jun 08 19:28:38 <HotDP> Is there anything i can set from behind?
Jun 08 19:29:15 <HotDP> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=7445 if any palm people here
Jun 08 19:31:02 <swisstomcat> i just bumped it, hotdp
Jun 08 19:31:17 <HotDP> Thank you
Jun 08 19:31:30 <swisstomcat> can't you edit the code that does the widget setup yourself?
Jun 08 19:31:46 <swisstomcat> or is that hidden by ares?
Jun 08 19:31:52 <HotDP> hidden :(
Jun 08 19:31:59 <HotDP> I can't see it anywhere
Jun 08 19:32:10 <HattCzech_work> is there an 'encode' to make an alert dialog display html content?
Jun 08 19:33:01 <hemna> what is the best way to do a log of an object and see the object's structure instead of simply seeing [object object] in the app's log ?
Jun 08 19:33:18 <HattCzech_work> Mojo.Log.info("%j", object);
Jun 08 19:33:23 <hemna> thanks
Jun 08 19:33:31 <HattCzech_work> no problem
Jun 08 19:35:10 <swisstomcat> hotdp: you could also export your project and just use a regular editor to program further
Jun 08 19:36:02 <HotDP> I know.. but i am afraid of that :)
Jun 08 19:36:20 <swisstomcat> it's not that hard
Jun 08 19:36:23 <swisstomcat> and we can help
Jun 08 19:36:42 <JenP> totally like the regular editor better
Jun 08 19:37:16 <swisstomcat> although i've used ares for one quick app and i just had to write a few lines
Jun 08 19:37:27 <Bmyers> hey JenP .how is your French?
Jun 08 19:37:29 <HotDP> regular editor? the thing i like with Ares is the "drag and drop" of controls
Jun 08 19:37:47 <HotDP> and that is not possible in other ways right?
Jun 08 19:37:48 <JenP> Bmyers: don't know french sorry
Jun 08 19:38:04 <JenP> HotDP: no it's not possible.
Jun 08 19:38:26 <swisstomcat> hotdp: it's not possible .. but you can start with ares and then continue .. you should be fine if you don't have huge layout changes
Jun 08 19:38:39 <haeffb_pre> adding controls is such a small part of developing an app...
Jun 08 19:38:40 <swisstomcat> since the layout is "only" html/css at the end
Jun 08 19:38:43 <HotDP> That might be a good ideer
Jun 08 19:38:56 <HotDP> Is there any intelisense?
Jun 08 19:39:03 <JenP> Bmyers: which app are you localizn
Jun 08 19:39:11 <Bmyers> hey haeffb_pre , you must speak alot of French down there..
Jun 08 19:39:32 <haeffb_pre> oui
Jun 08 19:39:33 <swisstomcat> hotdp: there's eclipse .. and komodo edit
Jun 08 19:39:46 <swisstomcat> i still use gedit :)
Jun 08 19:39:52 <Bmyers> VI RULES!!!!
Jun 08 19:40:16 <JenP> VI rules???
Jun 08 19:40:22 <swisstomcat> but i should start to run jslint before doing palm-package .. that would help with stupid errors
Jun 08 19:40:22 <haeffb_pre> pencil & paper & my secretary transcribes the code
Jun 08 19:40:26 <pandora--> I actually do use VI
Jun 08 19:40:38 <pandora--> all 5 of the apps i've done for webos were done in 100% vim
Jun 08 19:40:40 <pandora--> :)
Jun 08 19:40:44 <Bmyers> it's on the device
Jun 08 19:41:03 <pandora--> yeah that helps too
Jun 08 19:41:06 <HotDP> swisstomcat , what setup shall i go for
Jun 08 19:41:22 <swisstomcat> hotdp: depends on you .. do you know eclipse?
Jun 08 19:41:26 <swisstomcat> there's choice
Jun 08 19:41:40 <swisstomcat> notepad,gedit,komodo,eclipse,vi .. you name it
Jun 08 19:42:39 <Bmyers> JenP: guyrules or Regles Guy!
Jun 08 19:42:57 <Bmyers> I already have the rules in french. just need to do the app
Jun 08 19:42:58 * haeffb_pre likes eclipse
Jun 08 19:43:09 <HotDP> I got educated long ago in eclipse when i lerned OOP in Java
Jun 08 19:43:17 <haeffb_pre> men commandments?
Jun 08 19:43:18 <HotDP> But uses VS on work
Jun 08 19:43:38 <Bmyers> something like that...
Jun 08 19:43:42 <swisstomcat> you could even use notepad++
Jun 08 19:44:01 <JenP> Bmyers: cool!
Jun 08 19:44:15 <haeffb_pre> new app
Jun 08 19:44:31 <JenP> Bmyers: so where is VI on our phone? I've never heard of it...
Jun 08 19:44:38 <Bmyers> i need someone to help with the app tho. my french is uh
Jun 08 19:44:42 <Bmyers> mairde
Jun 08 19:44:49 <JenP> LOL
Jun 08 19:44:59 <swisstomcat> i think warpdesign would be the one to talk to .. or loic_m
Jun 08 19:45:18 <Bmyers> i tried asking warpdesign but he didnt answer
Jun 08 19:45:26 <swisstomcat> probably busy
Jun 08 19:45:40 <Bmyers> he pong'd me
Jun 08 19:46:12 <HattCzech_work> is there a way to put two buttons next to each other using the standard palm classes?
Jun 08 19:47:27 <JenP> HattCzech_work: yeah just assign your id's and in css set the widths
Jun 08 19:48:01 <HattCzech_work> so i need to define it in css?
Jun 08 19:48:19 <JenP> just the widths for those ids
Jun 08 19:48:58 <JenP> #fixedWidthL{
Jun 08 19:48:58 <JenP> 	float:left;
Jun 08 19:48:58 <JenP> 	width:150px!important;
Jun 08 19:48:58 <JenP> 	height:75px;
Jun 08 19:48:58 <JenP> }
Jun 08 19:50:42 <HattCzech_work> ok, cool, thanks
Jun 08 19:50:44 <JenP> http://pastebin.com/ymkAmGB6
Jun 08 19:50:51 <JenP> HattCzech_work that's how i do it
Jun 08 19:52:47 <HattCzech_work> that worked, thanks
Jun 08 19:53:07 <JenP> cool
Jun 08 19:59:13 <JenP> FYI guys this is the most awesome cable covers. you can paint them to match your wall
Jun 08 19:59:14 <JenP> http://www.omnimount.com/Products/Specialty_Products/Cable_Management/
Jun 08 20:02:35 <warpdesign> !important is bad :)
Jun 08 20:02:43 <Bmyers> Jenp: if you are ssh'd in to your device, type vi
Jun 08 20:03:05 <JenP> ssh'd?
Jun 08 20:03:23 <Bmyers> novacom ?
Jun 08 20:03:34 <JenP> oh kkk
Jun 08 20:03:39 <JenP> warpdesign: why bad?
Jun 08 20:03:57 <warpdesign> cause it bypasses any other definition
Jun 08 20:04:11 <warpdesign> so you have to have something badly written to have to use it
Jun 08 20:05:20 <JenP> hmmm...well it works without important too...wonder why i used it....
Jun 08 20:06:27 <HotDP> Do you people think we will se new hardware tomorrow?
Jun 08 20:06:40 <swisstomcat> what is tomorrow?
Jun 08 20:06:42 <Bmyers> that was yesterday
Jun 08 20:06:44 <pandora--> wednesday
Jun 08 20:06:46 <Bmyers> iphone 4
Jun 08 20:06:47 <pandora--> monday
Jun 08 20:07:00 <HotDP> Developer day tomorrow?
Jun 08 20:07:00 <Bmyers> yeah then..
Jun 08 20:07:04 <Bmyers> gets blurry
Jun 08 20:07:28 <Bmyers> warpdesign got time to laugh at my lack of french ?
Jun 08 20:08:44 <swisstomcat> developer day?
Jun 08 20:09:03 <HotDP> Yer
Jun 08 20:11:25 <warpdesign> Bmyers: oui, je t'écoute ;)
Jun 08 20:13:57 <warpdesign> JenP: then remove it :)
Jun 08 20:14:10 <JenP> warpdesign: i did
Jun 08 20:17:06 <Bmyers> warpdesign on the phone. just a sec
Jun 08 20:25:36 <swisstomcat> night, i'm off
Jun 08 20:25:53 <Tibfib> is the dev portal really doing a countdown for maintenence a month away?
Jun 08 20:25:58 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: night
Jun 08 20:26:24 <swisstomcat> dev portal maintenance?
Jun 08 20:26:37 <Tibfib> check out the forums
Jun 08 20:27:56 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 08 20:28:00 <swisstomcat> 07/06/2010
Jun 08 20:28:10 <swisstomcat> better earlier than never
Jun 08 20:36:01 <Bmyers> warpdesign have your heard / seen the app called guyrules ?
Jun 08 20:38:07 <warpdesign> no
Jun 08 20:38:09 <warpdesign> I have no phone
Jun 08 20:38:20 <warpdesign> so I probably haven't seen it ;)
Jun 08 20:41:03 <HotDP> Uncaught TypeError: Object 2010-06-08T20:33:57Z has no method 'getTime' <-- why?
Jun 08 20:42:36 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to setInitialFocusedElement on a customdialog? i want it to be null
Jun 08 20:43:30 <Tibfib> HotDP: I'd say your object has no method 'getTime' :)
Jun 08 20:43:45 <HotDP> Ahh thanks :P
Jun 08 20:44:06 <Bmyers> warpdesign : have an emulator?
Jun 08 20:44:08 <HotDP> I found out that when you save date in a cookie it converts it to string so i have to convert it back
Jun 08 20:44:09 <Tibfib> you gotta give us more information... like are you using it with a date object
Jun 08 20:44:51 <Tibfib> oh I see
Jun 08 20:45:34 <HotDP> did not know..
Jun 08 20:45:35 <HotDP> sry
Jun 08 20:45:52 <Tibfib> hah no problem. I'm just messing with you
Jun 08 20:47:28 <Tibfib> you could store the date using d.toString(). then do d = new Date(stringDate);
Jun 08 20:47:48 <warpdesign> Bmyers: sure
Jun 08 20:49:13 <Bmyers> ok. pm me your email addy and I'll send you the engrish ver so u know what I'm doing
Jun 08 20:49:20 <Bmyers> warpdesign ^^
Jun 08 20:49:57 <Tibfib> Oh if anyone is wondering... brilliant timezone solution: have all dates in date.toUTCString()... then create new Date(date.toUTCString()) and the times will be localized.
Jun 08 20:50:27 <codeslaw_> nice
Jun 08 20:50:31 <Tibfib> tis how I get around them with my chat app
Jun 08 20:50:32 <codeslaw_> great news everybody!
Jun 08 20:50:35 <warpdesign> good to know
Jun 08 20:50:44 <warpdesign> I'm off to bed
Jun 08 20:50:45 <warpdesign> good night
Jun 08 20:50:48 <Tibfib> cya
Jun 08 20:50:56 <Tibfib> codeslaw: que?
Jun 08 20:51:00 <codeslaw_> great
Jun 08 20:51:02 <codeslaw_> news
Jun 08 20:51:09 <codeslaw_> jk
Jun 08 20:51:10 <codeslaw_> but
Jun 08 20:51:26 <codeslaw_> i just finished the custom alpha blitter mod for SDL
Jun 08 20:51:38 <codeslaw_> and ported a baby version of the paintr engine to c++
Jun 08 20:51:46 <Tibfib> whoa nice
Jun 08 20:51:51 <codeslaw_> and it finally works
Jun 08 20:52:27 <Tibfib> impressive. going to wait for hybrid apps or go full pdk?
Jun 08 20:52:40 <codeslaw_> i don't know =/
Jun 08 20:52:49 <codeslaw_> i mean, probably hybrid
Jun 08 20:53:07 <codeslaw_> its just that i would really like to utilize some nice multitouch gestures
Jun 08 20:53:22 <codeslaw_> but hyrbid apps will have the same crippled touch events that we get in the SDK
Jun 08 20:53:30 <codeslaw_> drag radius, etc
Jun 08 20:53:57 <codeslaw_> but then... trying to build a full, complex UI in C++...
Jun 08 20:54:33 <codeslaw_> i've already waited so long to work on the pro version, waiting for features that i need
Jun 08 20:54:38 <codeslaw_> and i hate to wait even longer
Jun 08 20:54:56 <codeslaw_> so i dont know.  just gonna keep moving forward on getting the full engine over
Jun 08 20:56:04 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how to setInitialFocusedElement on a customdialog? i want it to be null
Jun 08 20:58:56 <JenP> HattCzech_work: try  focusMode: Mojo.Widget.focusSelectMode
Jun 08 20:59:26 <halfhalo_class> Holycrap its hot
Jun 08 20:59:28 <JenP> autoFocus: true,
Jun 08 20:59:59 <JenP> halfhalo_class: yeah suppose to get up in the tripple digits today
Jun 08 21:00:12 <HattCzech_work> JenP: is that when i call the dialog?
Jun 08 21:00:30 <JenP> that's in your dialog's setup
Jun 08 21:02:34 <haeffb_pre> HattCzech_work: interesting question...
Jun 08 21:02:42 <HattCzech_work> that didn't work
Jun 08 21:02:51 <JenP> pastebin
Jun 08 21:07:38 <HattCzech_work> http://webos.pastebin.com/WEig7tYz
Jun 08 21:12:59 <JenP> oh you need to add an focus statement in your activate function
Jun 08 21:13:48 <JenP> HattCzech_work see if that works...i've got to run an errand be back later if you still need help
Jun 08 21:21:58 <HotDP> When i am inside MainAssistant.prototype = { how can i call a method within MainAssistant.prototype = { ?
Jun 08 21:32:35 <haeffb_pre> this.myMethod()
Jun 08 21:37:06 <HotDP> thx
Jun 08 21:43:08 <haeffb> HattCzech_work: you are passing the scene controller to the custom dialog?
Jun 08 21:44:48 <HattCzech_work> yup
Jun 08 21:47:34 <haeffb> and saving it as ... this.sceneController?
Jun 08 21:48:44 <HattCzech_work> yup
Jun 08 21:49:03 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, no, sceneAssistant
Jun 08 21:50:19 <HattCzech_work> but i tried this.sceneAssistant.controller.setInitial... and this.sceneAssistant.setInitial...
Jun 08 21:50:37 <haeffb> and this.sceneAssistant.setInitialFocusedElement(null); doesn't work. ?
Jun 08 21:50:42 <HattCzech_work> sadly, no
Jun 08 21:50:52 <haeffb> then, I'd say you're hosed.
Jun 08 21:50:53 <HattCzech_work> worked for a real scene, but not this custom dialog one
Jun 08 21:51:06 <HattCzech_work> that's what i thought
Jun 08 21:51:19 <haeffb> have you tried setting focus to an element on the main scene?
Jun 08 21:51:36 <HattCzech_work> can i do that?
Jun 08 21:52:01 <HattCzech_work> i don't have any fields on that that i think i'd be able to focus
Jun 08 21:54:24 <haeffb> hide one
Jun 08 21:54:30 <hemna> any best practices for filling out items in a List from ajax requests ?
Jun 08 21:54:32 <haeffb> I don't know if that'll work or not
Jun 08 21:58:34 <JenP_Away>  /nick JenP
Jun 08 21:59:27 <JenP> hi all
Jun 08 21:59:45 <HotDP> hi
Jun 08 22:00:03 <JenP> hiya
Jun 08 22:00:14 <JenP> haeffb: ping
Jun 08 22:00:22 <haeffb> pang
Jun 08 22:00:54 <JenP> so i need to send a special command in sql to reference a foreign key?
Jun 08 22:01:40 <haeffb> uh...I dunno
Jun 08 22:01:45 <haeffb> what foreign key?
Jun 08 22:03:05 <JenP> one sec i'll pastebin
Jun 08 22:04:45 <HotDP> good night
Jun 08 22:06:19 <JenP> darnit pastebins acting weird
Jun 08 22:06:25 <JenP> i'm gonna reboot brb
Jun 08 22:09:55 <halfhalo_class> /join #webos-test
Jun 08 22:10:01 <halfhalo_class> ...
Jun 08 22:11:42 <haeffb> HattCzech_work: I can't figure a way to do it.
Jun 08 22:11:48 <JenP> hi all!
Jun 08 22:12:09 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 08 22:12:23 <HattCzech_work> neither could i
Jun 08 22:12:28 <HattCzech_work> at least i'm not the only one :)
Jun 08 22:12:31 <HattCzech_work> thanks for trying
Jun 08 22:12:36 <oilsworkn> couldn't figure out what?
Jun 08 22:12:38 <halfhalo_class> wakkawakkawakka
Jun 08 22:13:05 <halfhalo_class> oilsworkn, you behind a firewall right now?
Jun 08 22:13:23 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 08 22:13:43 <oilsworkn> why?
Jun 08 22:13:47 <halfhalo_class> oh, oh, oh, wanna test something?  Try going to http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client.html in either chrome or safari 5?
Jun 08 22:14:15 <halfhalo_class> I want to see if it breaks due to firewalls
Jun 08 22:14:32 <oilsworkn> why would it?
Jun 08 22:14:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 08 22:14:37 <halfhalo_class> websockets
Jun 08 22:14:37 <oilsworkn> anyways, it appears to have worked
Jun 08 22:14:40 <oilsworkn> i see the messages of me in there
Jun 08 22:14:48 <halfhalo_class> yup
Jun 08 22:14:49 <oilsworkn> joined webos-test apaprently
Jun 08 22:14:52 <halfhalo_class> yup
Jun 08 22:15:03 <oilsworkn> due to working on wirc i can read that :)
Jun 08 22:15:08 <halfhalo_class> Lol
Jun 08 22:15:17 <haeffb> oilsworkn: how to setInitialFocusedElement(null) in a custom dialog
Jun 08 22:15:20 <halfhalo_class> Not the fact that its been parsed at all?
Jun 08 22:16:01 <oilsworkn> oh, dialogs are dirty
Jun 08 22:16:57 <haeffb> got some raspberries turning ripe
Jun 08 22:17:36 <JenP> darnit for some reason i cant get pastebin to work
Jun 08 22:17:40 <haeffb> HattCzech_work: the only thing I didn't try was adding a hidden textField at the top of the customDialog to see if it would get the focus...
Jun 08 22:17:47 <haeffb> http://www.pastie.org
Jun 08 22:18:15 <JenP> thanks haeffb1
Jun 08 22:18:16 <HattCzech_work> it's not horribly important, just irritating
Jun 08 22:18:33 <JenP> http://www.pastie.org/997054
Jun 08 22:18:55 <hemna> What is the trick for keeping scope inside the Ajax.Request onSuccess ?
Jun 08 22:18:57 <JenP> haeffb line 38 is the foreign key i'm just not sure how i should be referencing it
Jun 08 22:20:38 * haeffb doesn't even know what a foreign key is in SQL.
Jun 08 22:20:44 <haeffb> need sugardave or Bmyers
Jun 08 22:20:57 <haeffb> or some other SQL guru
Jun 08 22:21:01 <JenP> oh...basically i'm just trying to get catagories to work for me
Jun 08 22:21:41 <JenP> so how do i get one table to reference another?
Jun 08 22:22:07 <haeffb> oh, I think I did that over the weekend...
Jun 08 22:22:18 <hemna> you have to declare columns of one table as a foreign key of a column from another table
Jun 08 22:22:27 <haeffb> ...but you're still using sugardaves DB wrapper
Jun 08 22:22:39 <hemna> it's good for cascade deletes and data integrity
Jun 08 22:22:42 <JenP> yeah
Jun 08 22:22:43 <hemna> db wrapper?
Jun 08 22:23:51 <JenP> yeah sugardave put together a db.js to try and make things easier
Jun 08 22:24:01 <hemna> oh?   url? :)
Jun 08 22:24:07 <Tibfib> it's on webos101.com
Jun 08 22:24:13 <hemna> ok htnx
Jun 08 22:24:14 <haeffb> hemna, .bind(this) the db.Transaction
Jun 08 22:24:17 <hemna> err thnx even
Jun 08 22:24:41 <Tibfib> http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database to be exact
Jun 08 22:26:07 <hemna> cool, I'm just now getting to the point of needing to store stuff in a db.
Jun 08 22:26:14 <hemna> working on my first webos app
Jun 08 22:26:21 <haeffb> hemna: er, I mean .bind(this) the onSuccess function
Jun 08 22:26:55 <haeffb> for example: http://www.pastie.org/997066
Jun 08 22:26:58 <JenP> so haeffb how did you make your one to many tables work?
Jun 08 22:27:10 <haeffb> LEFT OUTER JOIN
Jun 08 22:27:29 <hemna> just adding .bind(this) to the declaration keeps the scope?
Jun 08 22:28:13 <haeffb> JenP: http://www.pastie.org/997070
Jun 08 22:28:45 <JenP> wow!
Jun 08 22:28:45 <haeffb> you're binding the "this" of the object calling the onSuccess to the onSuccess function.
Jun 08 22:29:16 <haeffb> tasks is one table
Jun 08 22:29:20 <haeffb> folders is another
Jun 08 22:29:28 <haeffb> tasks is aliased as t
Jun 08 22:29:32 <haeffb> folders is aliased as f
Jun 08 22:29:44 <haeffb> t.title is the title column from the tasks table
Jun 08 22:29:53 <haeffb> ..etc...
Jun 08 22:30:05 <JenP> kk
Jun 08 22:30:51 <haeffb> so, for each row in tasks, I'm also pulling in the data from folders where task.folder = folder.id
Jun 08 22:30:57 <haeffb> folders.id
Jun 08 22:31:52 <haeffb> 'cept if t.folder = '0' then I'm using a default value of '0' for f.sortorder
Jun 08 22:35:49 <JenP> hmm kk gonna have to process this
Jun 08 22:37:55 <hemna> haeffb, thanks!   man that makes things so much easier.
Jun 08 22:40:24 <haeffb> JenP: SELECT c.card_name, c.balance, c.interest, cat.cat_name FROM cardInfoTable c LEFT OUTER JOIN catagoryTable cat ON c.cat_id=cat.cat_id
Jun 08 22:40:31 <haeffb> something like that might work
Jun 08 22:40:43 <JenP> agreed. thank you
Jun 08 22:41:30 <JenP> i just don't know where i'd even put that
Jun 08 22:45:19 <haeffb> where you are wanting to retrieve the data... however you call the db...that's the SQL request you use.
Jun 08 22:47:43 <JenP> well i thought it would be something like this
Jun 08 22:47:45 <JenP> transaction.executeSql("CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS cardInfoTable card_id INTEGER, card_name TEXT, balance TEXT, interest TEXT, monthly_Payment TEXT, notesTEXT, FOREIGN KEY (cat_id) REFERENCES catagoryTable(cat_id))",[]);
Jun 08 22:49:25 <haeffb> REFERENCES?
Jun 08 22:49:57 <JenP> yeah if you look at depot.js
Jun 08 22:50:04 <JenP> line 730 they use it
Jun 08 22:51:33 * haeffb doesn't know enough about SQLite syntax to really even be dangerous
Jun 08 22:51:43 <haeffb> Tibfib: thanks for the .ipk.
Jun 08 22:51:53 <haeffb> haven't had a chance to install yet
Jun 08 22:53:09 <haeffb> but, JenP: you're doing things differently than depot.js when you use sugardave's db wrapper
Jun 08 22:53:16 <JenP> i know
Jun 08 22:54:24 <Tibfib> haeffb: oh, forgot I sent it to you :) let me know what you think
Jun 08 22:54:36 <haeffb> so, find some of your code where you pull info from DB, then adapt it to use that SELECT statement
Jun 08 22:55:39 <JenP> i'm trying :-d
Jun 08 22:56:11 <haeffb> kk
Jun 09 01:23:33 <rolsworth> anyone know what the new webos update will ad?
Jun 09 01:23:56 <alexfner> yes
Jun 09 01:24:05 <alexfner> mrs. butterworths syrup on every app!
Jun 09 01:24:14 <JenP> mmmm syrup....
Jun 09 01:24:32 <rolsworth> seriously
Jun 09 01:24:37 <alexfner>  you load up the app and before you can use it you have to clean off the syrup
Jun 09 01:24:37 <haeffb> PDK apps
Jun 09 01:24:53 <rolsworth> i don't like how palm is so secrective
Jun 09 01:25:03 <alexfner> join the early access program
Jun 09 01:25:05 <rolsworth> isn't pdk apps already there
Jun 09 01:25:08 <alexfner> less secrets
Jun 09 01:25:15 <alexfner> but still many secrets
Jun 09 01:25:21 <haeffb> only for select developers
Jun 09 01:25:37 <rolsworth> but the sdk was already released
Jun 09 01:25:40 <alexfner> there's just not a big enough following to steal a palm phone from an engineer in the bar
Jun 09 01:25:56 <alexfner> people would see it and just not know what it is
Jun 09 01:26:05 <alexfner> it doesn't have the brand recognition to be stealable
Jun 09 01:26:11 <rolsworth> i fear for palm
Jun 09 01:26:16 <alexfner> don't
Jun 09 01:26:27 <alexfner> they've got a new sugardaddy, HP
Jun 09 01:26:34 <alexfner> haha I cannot believe I just said that
Jun 09 01:26:46 <alexfner> I mean, they don't yet, but they will soon, prolly
Jun 09 01:26:50 <rolsworth> not sure what hp would do for palm
Jun 09 01:26:55 <alexfner> $
Jun 09 01:27:20 <rolsworth> te new updates ad pdk
Jun 09 01:27:28 <rolsworth> can you tlel me what that means
Jun 09 01:27:35 <alexfner> games games games!?!
Jun 09 01:27:55 <rolsworth> i fond mobile games to suck
Jun 09 01:28:03 <rolsworth> the most i could play is card ace
Jun 09 01:28:13 <rolsworth> what about apps
Jun 09 01:28:50 <rolsworth> do you think a new webos device would be out before the year is up
Jun 09 01:29:10 <alexfner> before the year is up, sure
Jun 09 01:29:13 <rolsworth> I am eligible for an upgrade but there is nothing out there for me
Jun 09 01:29:29 <alexfner> soon?  don't count on it, going to have to wait for the Palm to become HPalm
Jun 09 01:29:39 <rolsworth> why do you think that?
Jun 09 01:31:19 <alexfner> it's all hush hush, no one wants to do anything that could screw up the deal.  Also it will probably be notably cheaper, and palm will have better carrier relations to launch it's next phone under HP, who will have the ability to push it out fast, and all over the globe for cheaper
Jun 09 01:32:37 <alexfner> I don't work for palm or anything
Jun 09 01:32:39 <alexfner> just my speculation
Jun 09 01:37:15 <rolsworth> i am still seeign palm pre commercial
Jun 09 01:38:38 <rolsworth> at this point it's going to be hard for Palm to sell phones on any of the 3 carriers. Too much competition and sales reps are pushing other devices
Jun 09 01:39:07 <alexfner> meh, I think they're in it for the end game
Jun 09 01:54:09 <alexfner> hmm
Jun 09 01:54:10 <alexfner> question time
Jun 09 01:54:15 <pandora--> jes?
Jun 09 01:54:29 <alexfner> I'm setting the style.top and style.left of divs dynamically
Jun 09 01:54:58 <alexfner> problem is, they seem to not want to be changed after being set the first time
Jun 09 01:55:04 <alexfner> they are position: fixed;;
Jun 09 01:55:08 <alexfner> any suggestions?
Jun 09 01:55:48 <alexfner> It's all in javascript
Jun 09 01:55:50 <alexfner> no adding classes
Jun 09 01:55:55 <alexfner> I cannot because it's dynamic
Jun 09 02:20:30 <haeffb> ugh. why does my list have a delete button but no cancel button on swipeToDelete ?
Jun 09 02:21:51 <alexfner> yes!
Jun 09 02:32:17 <BigBiff_> hah - i never realized about viewmenus
Jun 09 02:32:22 <BigBiff_> i just set one up manually
Jun 09 02:32:29 <BigBiff_> jeez
Jun 09 02:32:57 <BigBiff_> no
Jun 09 02:33:02 <BigBiff_> not viewMenu
Jun 09 02:35:08 <alexfner> what?
Jun 09 02:35:10 <alexfner> hmm?
Jun 09 02:36:19 <BigBiff_> hehe - button in the header
Jun 09 02:36:21 <BigBiff_> not a viewMenu
Jun 09 02:36:29 <BigBiff_> guess i did have to set it up manually
Jun 09 02:42:42 <haeffb> lists were inside groups inside a "palm-body-text" div, which made the lists too narrow to fit both "Delete" and "Cancel" inside the group.
Jun 09 02:42:58 <alexfner> there's a lot of monologues going on here
Jun 09 02:44:19 <BigBiff_> it's good to think out loud
Jun 09 02:44:24 <BigBiff_> ;-)
Jun 09 02:44:48 <alexfner> yeah
Jun 09 02:44:54 <alexfner> well here's my thoughts:
Jun 09 02:45:08 <alexfner> I'm filling with rage because this isn't working and nothing I do seems to indicate why
Jun 09 02:45:10 <BigBiff_> took me 3 hours to use that=this    this morning
Jun 09 02:45:10 <alexfner> no erros
Jun 09 02:45:18 <alexfner> no errors being returned
Jun 09 02:45:29 <alexfner> everything should be getting executed, but it's not all there
Jun 09 02:45:33 <alexfner> so I fill with rage
Jun 09 02:45:55 <BigBiff_> ive never set 'styles' with js
Jun 09 02:46:00 <BigBiff_> just changed classes
Jun 09 02:46:00 <rick-home> alexfner  I have a suggestion
Jun 09 02:46:08 <alexfner> well I've gotten them to change
Jun 09 02:46:12 <alexfner> that's not the problem
Jun 09 02:46:26 <BigBiff_> just sayin - as usual i'm no help
Jun 09 02:46:30 <alexfner> ah I see
Jun 09 02:46:34 <BigBiff_> :)
Jun 09 02:46:34 <rick-home> you have code that isn't executing???
Jun 09 02:46:39 <alexfner> seems like it
Jun 09 02:46:58 <rick-home> ok,  do you have code somewhere above it that you absolutely know is executing?
Jun 09 02:47:00 <alexfner> it's supposed to throw logs to the console when it gets to this section of code
Jun 09 02:47:10 <alexfner> yeah, most of the code is executing
Jun 09 02:47:15 <rick-home> kk
Jun 09 02:47:23 <alexfner> I've been moving console.log("work"); around to try and find why it isn't
Jun 09 02:47:27 <alexfner> :D
Jun 09 02:47:28 <rick-home> alexfner I have a really good suggestion.
Jun 09 02:47:32 <alexfner> go ahead
Jun 09 02:47:47 <rick-home> have you ever used the stand alone debugger associated with Ares?
Jun 09 02:47:53 <alexfner> no
Jun 09 02:47:55 <alexfner> hmm
Jun 09 02:48:05 <rick-home> it allows you to set a breakpoint and to single step your code.
Jun 09 02:48:10 <alexfner> guide me friend!
Jun 09 02:48:21 <alexfner> :)
Jun 09 02:48:45 <rick-home> http://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/debug.html
Jun 09 02:49:49 <rick-home> you do NOT have to do that tho, you can use the stand alone debugger instead
Jun 09 02:50:15 <rick-home> http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug
Jun 09 02:50:30 <alexfner> hah I actually think I just found the problem
Jun 09 02:50:41 <alexfner> I was adding to a section of code that had been made obsolete
Jun 09 02:50:41 <rick-home> well, now you have an important resource.
Jun 09 02:50:45 <alexfner> and should have been commented
Jun 09 02:50:50 <alexfner> I do I do!
Jun 09 02:50:52 <alexfner> :D
Jun 09 02:51:19 <rick-home> ares.palm.com/AresDebug allows you to load ANY SCRIPT on your emulator, execute it, set breakpoints, inspect variables, single step etc etc
Jun 09 02:51:33 <rwhitby> rick-home: yeah, I can't wait until that works for the device
Jun 09 02:52:14 <rick-home> which is going to happen in "a forthcoming version of WebOS"
Jun 09 02:52:31 <rick-home> and without it, it's STILL freaking wonderful even just on the emulator
Jun 09 02:52:32 <alexfner> version 2!
Jun 09 02:52:39 <alexfner> I've got version 2 of webOs don't tell anyone!
Jun 09 02:52:45 <alexfner> it enables the biometric scanner on your phone
Jun 09 02:52:52 <alexfner> so you can go around and collect dna samples
Jun 09 02:53:16 <rick-home> I can neither confirm or deny any information about when that particular item might be available on the device rather than the emulator :-)
Jun 09 02:54:25 <alexfner> and there's a com.palm.cupcakemaker app that bakes cupcakes right in your very own oven!
Jun 09 02:54:58 <alexfner> All you do is press start, and 30 min later you have an array of cupcake types with all different frostings and fillings!
Jun 09 02:55:47 <alexfner> these new features are crazy, you guys are going to love them
Jun 09 02:55:50 <BigBiff_> hmm - eventTarget.target - looks nifty
Jun 09 02:57:51 <JenP> is anyone having problems updating their apps in the app catalog?
Jun 09 02:58:00 <alexfner> no?
Jun 09 02:58:04 <alexfner> my update went out today...?
Jun 09 02:58:09 <alexfner> do you mean downloading updates?
Jun 09 02:58:18 <alexfner> or sending them to Palm and getting them approved?
Jun 09 02:58:37 <JenP> updating... once i hit submit i get a blank screen
Jun 09 02:58:51 <JenP> and when i go back to myapps it said incomplete
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 09 02:59:57 2010