**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 10 02:59:57 2010 Jun 10 03:00:49 i don't think that helps as that is the default location, or am i reading it wrong? Jun 10 03:01:32 i think the problem is it's looking for the template in app/views, when i need it to look at app/core/views Jun 10 03:02:00 so what i usually do when i need to call a template like that the path in pushscene is ../core/view/foo Jun 10 03:06:32 meppum: would not think using another path would work... Jun 10 03:07:22 yeah. that's what it looks like. i mean it works in pushscene because there is a parameter called scenetemplate, but in this case there doesn't seem to be a place to define it, so i'm sorta out of luck Jun 10 03:07:39 meppum: it's not that hard to roll your own help scene rather than the pushAppSupportInfoScene... Jun 10 03:07:52 true Jun 10 03:08:01 i was just annoyed Jun 10 03:08:14 looks like i'll just roll my own Jun 10 03:09:01 i use the default help scene which has a link to a video tutorial Jun 10 03:09:16 SDL, as it turns out, is not very fast on the phone Jun 10 03:09:27 opengl is speedy, SDL.. not so much Jun 10 03:10:12 fyi, that's all Jun 10 03:11:00 LoneStar99: thanks for the help Jun 10 03:13:04 meppum: sorry could not be of more help Jun 10 03:13:27 LoneStar99: it's cool. clarification is help enough Jun 10 03:13:29 Hey all Jun 10 03:13:33 oil: ping Jun 10 03:13:51 i do'nt mind rolling my own, i just want to make sure i'm not wasting my time if the feature is already supported natively Jun 10 03:14:57 alright folks Jun 10 03:15:01 I'm here to learn about the pdk Jun 10 03:15:05 I've got the sdk down Jun 10 03:15:07 it's pdk time Jun 10 03:15:56 haeffb: when do you need the translations by? Jun 10 03:16:26 oiloiloiloil Jun 10 03:16:36 before Christmas for sure Jun 10 03:16:56 can have them done by tommorrow afternoon Jun 10 03:17:03 alexfner: it's spelled differently Jun 10 03:17:10 oil: I hear that you're in the gulf of mexico these days? Jun 10 03:17:13 that will work, too. Jun 10 03:17:14 HAHAHAH Jun 10 03:17:22 one last question guys, the docs say that the app icon should be 48x48, but if you pull the default ones off of the pre it looks like they are 64x64 Jun 10 03:17:25 so which is it? Jun 10 03:17:27 what's spelled differently? Jun 10 03:17:29 * oil is screwing everything up there Jun 10 03:17:36 64 Jun 10 03:17:45 thanks Jun 10 03:17:47 48 goes in... app catalog? Jun 10 03:17:52 ohhhhhhh Jun 10 03:17:53 oil: so you are around? Jun 10 03:17:55 makes sense Jun 10 03:17:57 thanks Jun 10 03:17:57 64x64 Jun 10 03:18:11 ? Jun 10 03:19:02 oil: What is the link to Prewares git? Jun 10 03:19:14 where they all are :) Jun 10 03:19:45 google preware git: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=shortlog Jun 10 03:20:09 oil: it's been six months, remember Jun 10 03:20:18 haeffb: jfgi moment Jun 10 03:20:24 haeffb: kesne doesn't know how to google Jun 10 03:20:36 I forgot Jun 10 03:20:43 ... how to google? Jun 10 03:20:45 xD Jun 10 03:20:45 http://www.google.com Jun 10 03:21:05 no links to letmegooglethatforyou? Jun 10 03:21:11 you all fail Jun 10 03:21:56 I said JFGI moment Jun 10 03:22:48 http://www.jfgi.org/index.aspx?page=1 Jun 10 03:23:07 Just Fucking Google It Jun 10 03:23:28 Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis Jun 10 03:23:32 close, though. Jun 10 03:24:34 what is google "pac-man" Jun 10 03:25:17 google.com/pacman Jun 10 03:25:48 wahahahahaha Jun 10 03:25:57 if you click insert coin 2x Jun 10 03:26:01 you get mrs pacman Jun 10 03:26:07 redid the desktop interface to the irc thingie Jun 10 03:26:12 played with wasd i believe Jun 10 03:26:14 oil: thanks Jun 10 03:26:33 Hi all Jun 10 03:27:15 oil, you got time to answer a stupid question? Jun 10 03:27:34 yes? Jun 10 03:27:38 lies Jun 10 03:27:44 Hi rick-home! Jun 10 03:27:47 tell me in english what it is that Govnah does? Jun 10 03:27:58 uh Jun 10 03:28:18 Hi max. Jun 10 03:28:20 it changes settings in the kernel Jun 10 03:28:37 that pertain to governors Jun 10 03:28:41 rick-home: hello! Jun 10 03:28:44 on what basis? Or do you get to set rules? or is it just command driven. Jun 10 03:28:49 Hi kesne Jun 10 03:29:14 its dynamic Jun 10 03:29:15 oil: what are the default styles for a popup? Jun 10 03:29:17 based on what the kernel supports Jun 10 03:29:29 right. But let me try again. Jun 10 03:30:01 Let's say we're talking about Govnah adjusting clock speed. On what basis does it do that? Is it on the basis of human commands, or do you set trigger points, or what? Jun 10 03:30:29 This… is interesting Jun 10 03:30:43 js is ignoring part of my objects Jun 10 03:30:50 govnah doesn't change the clock speed Jun 10 03:31:03 Ok, give me an example of something that it DOES change then. Jun 10 03:31:10 the settings for governors Jun 10 03:31:17 the governors in the kernel are what changes the clock speeds Jun 10 03:31:31 ok.... Jun 10 03:31:32 based on those settings applied Jun 10 03:31:36 and whatever else it looks at Jun 10 03:31:44 like screenstate changing based on the screen on/off Jun 10 03:31:47 the governor does that Jun 10 03:31:53 give me an example of a setting that it would set... Jun 10 03:31:56 govnah just tells the kernel to use that screenstate governor Jun 10 03:32:09 and to use the off speed of x and the on speed of x Jun 10 03:32:09 use it for what? Jun 10 03:32:25 use it to adjust the speed Jun 10 03:32:31 ok, let me try this again then. Jun 10 03:32:37 question time Jun 10 03:32:41 lol Jun 10 03:32:50 palm-log, palm-package, pdk- etc. are all returning command not found Jun 10 03:32:54 but the pdk and sdk are installed Jun 10 03:32:56 rick-home: i only understand enough to be dangerous :) Jun 10 03:32:58 tried reinstalling Jun 10 03:32:58 Advanced kernals contain within them rule based systems which can control parameters like clock speed. Jun 10 03:33:02 any suggestions? Jun 10 03:33:17 rick-home: right Jun 10 03:33:35 for example, it is possible that a rule based system might exist which uses a temperature setting to increase and decrease clock speed. Jun 10 03:34:03 yeah Jun 10 03:34:11 i dont see why not Jun 10 03:34:13 Govnah is a user interface program to allow an end user to easily adjust the trigger points of the various state-rules that the kernal supports. Jun 10 03:34:16 it changes it based on screen on or off Jun 10 03:34:22 right Jun 10 03:34:48 is there a list somewhere of the various state rules that exist in the current kernal that Govnah can set? Jun 10 03:35:25 and, in those rules, can Govnah set what the resultant clock speed, or something would BE, or are those parameters hard wired into the kernal at this time? Jun 10 03:35:58 Is there a way to see if a specific scene is on top? Jun 10 03:35:59 the service gets what can be changed from the kernel and passees it to govnah Jun 10 03:36:10 there is a somewhat list of settings on the wiki page for govnah Jun 10 03:36:47 Hmmmm I was trying to do a lot of cleaning on the wiki today, and couldn't make hide nor hair of the Govnah page. It's a hopeless jumble, but with this I might have a chance. Jun 10 03:36:51 if (...activeScene.sceneName == 'myScene') Jun 10 03:37:14 ooh. nice. lemme try that Jun 10 03:37:15 Is it also the case that the Govnah provides an interactive real-time graph of the various states it is tracking? Jun 10 03:37:36 it only logs speed, temp, load Jun 10 03:37:40 or rather that the kernal is tracking? Jun 10 03:37:46 ok. Jun 10 03:37:50 if (this.controller.stageController.activeScene().sceneName === 'intro') Jun 10 03:37:54 any suggestions on palm-package, palm-log, etc. not working? Saying "command not found" Jun 10 03:38:01 yeah, a lot of the stuff on the wiki was there for me to develop from Jun 10 03:38:05 not in your path? Jun 10 03:38:06 since i didn't really understand wtf Jun 10 03:38:25 like the design/load reduction section Jun 10 03:38:37 and the governor settings section Jun 10 03:38:44 is there so i had an idea of what to do Jun 10 03:38:59 haeffb: perfect, thanks Jun 10 03:39:21 not in my path Jun 10 03:39:29 how does I add to my path? :D Jun 10 03:39:40 well, the wiki says "The "Governor" regulates the kernel as it controls the CPU speed." Jun 10 03:39:49 the governor does Jun 10 03:39:59 govnah changes the governors settings Jun 10 03:40:05 which the governor uses Jun 10 03:40:21 ok, I'm going to try re-writing the sumnmary. Jun 10 03:40:23 Pray for me. Jun 10 03:40:26 lol Jun 10 03:40:35 milominderbinder or whatever that guys name is wrote that Jun 10 03:40:35 heh Jun 10 03:40:37 alexfner: go to your sdk/bin directory and try to run them Jun 10 03:40:40 it used to say "an app that does stuff" Jun 10 03:40:43 yeah they work Jun 10 03:40:53 haeffb: they work, just cannot reference outside of that Jun 10 03:41:10 rick-home: brb Jun 10 03:41:10 what OS? Jun 10 03:41:44 mac osx 10.6 Jun 10 03:41:50 just upgraded :( Jun 10 03:42:19 google says: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2621/os_x_change_path_environment_variable/ Jun 10 03:43:09 that's what I was looking for Jun 10 03:43:16 many thanks, many thanks *hugs* Jun 10 03:48:32 if (repeatStore == undefined){ <--- this is a valid statement right? Jun 10 03:50:11 maybe better: if (!repeatStore) { Jun 10 03:50:33 depending on what possible values of repeatStore Jun 10 03:50:39 and remember Max, if you're comparing against undefined always alwasy use === Jun 10 03:50:51 tripple equals got it Jun 10 03:51:02 unless you just want to check if it's "falsey" in which case !repeatstore is better. Jun 10 03:51:44 well i'm trying to check for a value out of the dB. in this case i know it's undefined Jun 10 03:52:43 but i'm not getting my expected results Jun 10 04:07:46 grrr filterList Jun 10 04:09:02 grrr Jun 10 04:10:13 did you c the webos101 info? Jun 10 04:12:21 ya Jun 10 04:12:30 i dont understand the function to retrieve the list Jun 10 04:12:37 Someone go please and look at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Govnah and see if it makes sense now. Jun 10 04:12:46 i set the updated item back into the array Jun 10 04:13:06 for bla bla this.list[i] = itemUpdated Jun 10 04:13:23 normally at this point i need modelChanged Jun 10 04:13:37 but.... i dont get the retrieval function Jun 10 04:13:47 get = understand Jun 10 04:14:12 yep, can't do that wit / filterList Jun 10 04:14:23 call your filter function instead Jun 10 04:14:27 right Jun 10 04:14:57 JenP -- could you go look at Govnah in the wiki and see if what I wrote is in english please? Jun 10 04:15:09 huh? Jun 10 04:15:16 Govnah? what's that Jun 10 04:15:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Govnah Jun 10 04:15:24 kk Jun 10 04:15:26 read the summary please? Jun 10 04:15:27 (or, more like noticeUpdatedItems) Jun 10 04:15:33 on it Jun 10 04:15:40 http://www.pastebin.org/322546 Jun 10 04:18:39 not worky? Jun 10 04:20:07 * BigBiff embarrassimg Jun 10 04:20:10 ng Jun 10 04:20:12 type Jun 10 04:20:14 o Jun 10 04:20:19 got it workin Jun 10 04:21:01 tosh.0 is distracting me Jun 10 04:21:45 I want to blow up the pdk Jun 10 04:21:54 this isn't working like advertised! Jun 10 04:22:25 i wouldn't bother with the pdk until the next release .. i haven't been successful with compiling anything and it seems symbols are all sortsa missing Jun 10 04:22:30 at least for hybrid apps Jun 10 04:22:38 if you're straight openGL .. works like a charm Jun 10 04:23:15 well as some of you know, the pdk is *in flux* and there isn't good docs right now for the flux Jun 10 04:23:39 so following the directives ain't gonna do nothing! Jun 10 04:23:39 indeed Jun 10 04:24:08 ok, i believe im finally done tinkering with this little app Jun 10 04:24:19 haeffb: i may actually send this to you now Jun 10 04:25:29 cool Jun 10 04:28:15 Can someone besides JenP please go look at the summary of Govnah and see if it reads as english for normal people? (Don't worry about it being technically correct, I'll beat up oil about that.) Jun 10 04:28:22 i'm working on it now Jun 10 04:30:47 oil everywhere! Jun 10 04:30:58 * halfhalo gets his lighter Jun 10 04:32:19 rick-home I did some basic clean up. I'm checking readability now Jun 10 04:34:41 hey i prefixed my responses with a warning i wasn't the expert on how it worked outside of govnah :) Jun 10 04:34:57 hi oil Jun 10 04:34:59 you did. Jun 10 04:35:06 * oil bbl Jun 10 04:35:12 never the less, would you go read it over and see if it makes sense to you? Jun 10 04:35:16 well crud puppies. Jun 10 04:36:34 i'm readding it now... Jun 10 04:38:12 kk rick done editing Jun 10 04:38:47 I think the first sentence is wrong Max. Jun 10 04:38:48 oil: so has anyone been making BP jokes in your presence? Jun 10 04:39:24 oil made it clear that Govnah doesn't do the controlling, the governors do the controlling.... Jun 10 04:40:13 So, I think that the first sentence should be "Advanced webOS kernels have mechanisms to control..." Jun 10 04:40:36 kk change it Jun 10 04:40:47 oh good. rwhitby. Would YOU be so kind as to go look at the summary of Govnah in the wiki, and see if I lied.... Jun 10 04:43:29 rick-home: what's Govnah? Jun 10 04:43:42 ha ha ha.... Jun 10 04:59:33 Critical Mass v2.1 available Jun 10 04:59:38 if anyone cares: http://bit.ly/9Jga48 Jun 10 04:59:50 that's just the link I used to shorten it on twitter Jun 10 04:59:57 if you don't trust that Jun 10 05:00:06 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.alexhaefner.chainrxn Jun 10 05:19:49 nite all Jun 10 05:34:19 haeffb: you still up? Jun 10 05:42:25 hmmmm…. what the hell is dry steam Jun 10 05:47:39 sounds dirty Jun 10 05:47:56 hey people - filterList with a spinner in the row - anyone? Jun 10 06:13:56 in the list row, or the filter box? Jun 10 06:28:01 good morning Jun 10 07:28:26 hi Jun 10 08:12:56 hi warpdesign Jun 10 09:47:54 Do you think Google Navigation is comming to WebOS? Jun 10 09:53:48 time will tell ;) Jun 10 10:21:48 morning all Jun 10 10:23:16 morning Jun 10 12:35:24 morning Jun 10 12:35:57 * rwhitby is working on a new MetaDoctor feature which can take a full backup of a device Jun 10 12:36:42 Good morning Jun 10 12:36:54 * HotDP like that feature Jun 10 12:39:43 takes quite a while to transfer the whole lot at about 3.5MiB/s Jun 10 12:40:55 usb 2.0 ? Jun 10 12:48:13 warpdesign: ping Jun 10 13:49:49 hola Jun 10 13:54:46 yes Jun 10 13:59:41 hi haeffb Jun 10 14:00:30 needed to add a: if(this.filter){ } to the filterList updater Jun 10 14:00:42 works well now Jun 10 14:00:55 but Jun 10 14:01:02 spinner in filterList? :( Jun 10 14:01:36 not so good - normally spinner will take on the model of the list, but in this case... Jun 10 14:02:06 any suggestions? Jun 10 14:04:54 i could try to setup the spinner widget for each row with a loop, using this.list[i].someUniqueModelID as the model Jun 10 14:05:05 but that seems a bit extreme Jun 10 14:06:42 spinner should still be able tto use list model Jun 10 14:09:23 your list still *has* a model, you just don't use nodelChanged to update it anymore Jun 10 14:20:21 nodelChanged? Jun 10 14:24:48 setting a property of value = true or false in list did not activate spinner Jun 10 14:25:46 ok, i gotta meeting with principal - later all Jun 10 14:25:50 anyone would know how I could check what makes Luna randomly reboot ? Jun 10 14:32:03 Bmyers: sorry. noodleChanged Jun 10 14:33:11 We have a working xAuth implementation in SpazCore now. If you want to get this working on webOS (shouldn't be too hard), we're having a hackathon Saturday in #spaz Jun 10 14:33:28 :) Jun 10 14:33:56 SpazCore xAuth example: http://github.com/funkatron/spazcore/blob/auth/examples/example_auth.html Jun 10 14:38:18 what's a good way to store high scores for a game ? Jun 10 14:38:59 I suppose cookies won't stand an update Jun 10 14:39:17 there is an sqlite or something, but I can't find the link about it Jun 10 14:45:05 :S did not know update deleted cookie :S thought it was uninstall only Jun 10 15:00:50 got it Jun 10 15:00:58 had to call modelChanged after all Jun 10 15:05:12 what's up everyone Jun 10 15:22:54 does anyone here using a feed for with their app use a cdn? Jun 10 15:24:40 ert, lemme rephrase so it makes sense in english, "does anyone here that uses an external xml/json feed for their app use a cdn?" Jun 10 15:34:25 Famic: http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database Jun 10 15:34:38 i use a more simplistic approach, though Jun 10 16:06:38 morning everyone Jun 10 16:07:05 hi lonestar99 Jun 10 16:07:29 howdy dpivs Jun 10 16:07:54 hey lonestar99: would i be incorrect in assuming you're from TX? Jun 10 16:14:29 correct Jun 10 16:15:38 southern tejas' Jun 10 16:19:27 i was just asking because I read that In n' Out is expanding to TX, but i thought they were already out there. Ever have an in n' out burger? Jun 10 16:20:27 they haven't made it here, yet. Jun 10 16:20:37 i really want to find a group to start a Del Taco franchise here. Jun 10 16:20:49 we're inundated with burger places, many better than In n Out. Jun 10 16:21:00 but as far as mexican we have nothing that would compete with Del Taco. Jun 10 16:23:14 where are you bougyman? Jun 10 16:23:24 arlington, tx Jun 10 16:23:40 i grew up in central california, though, plenty familiar with in n out. Jun 10 16:25:12 dpivs: really in' an oud is expanding to TX? where u read that? Jun 10 16:25:26 lemme find the link lonestar99 Jun 10 16:25:51 dpivs: lived in sourthern cali for 8 years+ Jun 10 16:26:01 http://huff.to/awrDre Jun 10 16:26:21 HattCzech_work: what's your approach for storage ? Jun 10 16:27:06 i do a mojo depot with an object Jun 10 16:27:19 let me pull up my code... Jun 10 16:28:10 wow interesting love them in and our burgers Jun 10 16:29:18 LoneStar99: they have a Burger Street anywhere near you? Jun 10 16:29:27 if you like in n out, you'll love Burger Street. Jun 10 16:29:33 they're a bit pricey, but worth every penny.. Jun 10 16:29:38 no burger street Jun 10 16:29:42 damn. Jun 10 16:30:00 i actually prefer Carl's Jr. to in n out, too. Jun 10 16:30:22 i like the small size of the in n out burgers Jun 10 16:32:01 i like whataburger also Jun 10 16:33:09 haha, really bougyman? i like carls too. the only burger place i'm not fond of is jack in the box. burger st, they don't have that here i think. Jun 10 16:34:14 i've heard carl's is good... Jun 10 16:34:31 i've never had them... but one of the guys here at work LOVES the place Jun 10 16:47:19 hdhxyejcyjeyj Jun 10 16:47:53 why is it the ratio of grape to non grape jolly ranchers is always 50%? Jun 10 16:50:34 woo!! "Yalm" is live in the appcatalog today Jun 10 16:50:40 finally Jun 10 16:53:36 great pandora, do u have the direct link? Jun 10 16:54:11 ewwww, links... Jun 10 16:55:19 anyone developing anything on the PDK? Jun 10 16:55:49 heeeellll no Jun 10 16:56:23 I'm focusing om js only Jun 10 16:57:19 I think I probably will Jun 10 16:57:39 speaking of which, gotta update my web client to read the new message format andhandle files Jun 10 16:57:45 i was thinking about it as well Jun 10 16:57:48 pdk? nah, makes me wanna learn C though. probably won't figure it out quick enough though. Jun 10 16:58:19 Tibfib: same here, thinking of PDK Jun 10 16:59:53 I'm going to make my pro chat app pdk... It will just be a simple script that tells my server that your account is pro Jun 10 17:00:31 Tibfib: I got push file transfer working using node.js and a websocket cient Jun 10 17:00:46 with your pre app? Jun 10 17:00:46 installing PDK now Jun 10 17:01:14 nah, not on pre yet. that needs js services first. Jun 10 17:01:35 Ah, nice Jun 10 17:02:52 push chat and push file transfers ftw Jun 10 17:03:11 I'm just going to use the mojo messaging service Jun 10 17:03:45 that's xmpp, right? I have a bridge I could use for that Jun 10 17:03:58 damn PDK not supported on win7 64 bit =( Jun 10 17:04:35 halfhalo: I don't even know. Haven't really looked into how it works :D Jun 10 17:04:54 (because I know it's release is a far way off) Jun 10 17:06:39 So what is everyone working on these days? Jun 10 17:06:52 websockets will make me happy Jun 10 17:07:14 Tibfib: need to update an app, which is not selling Jun 10 17:07:36 countdown puzzles is like 217 :'( Jun 10 17:08:02 too bad the contest got extended... would have had $1000 Jun 10 17:08:18 LoneStar99: It's funny that the PDK doesn't support win7 64 bit, but one of the prizes of the PDK hot apps contest is a win7 64 bit laptop. :) Jun 10 17:08:23 I can have 10x the amount of websocket real time clients as ajax clients on the same hardware Jun 10 17:10:53 Rodbor: that is ridiculous.... Jun 10 17:11:12 heh Jun 10 17:11:26 Robdor: gonna try installing it on 64 bit anyways Jun 10 17:11:58 all my systems are 64bit Jun 10 17:12:00 LoneStar99: let me know how it goes... running 64bit here as well Jun 10 17:13:22 Tibfib: will do, Jun 10 17:19:54 hola again Jun 10 17:20:13 ok - delete a list item, and it deletes from sql Jun 10 17:20:31 what's the row delete function/command called? Jun 10 17:20:50 if(?) {delete from db} Jun 10 17:22:21 DELETE FROM table WHERE columnn = 'value' Jun 10 17:22:47 right.... but if(?) Jun 10 17:22:55 If what? it exists? Jun 10 17:23:14 i dont know what to call the list row swipe to delete function Jun 10 17:23:51 Oh mojo side? Jun 10 17:23:54 ya Jun 10 17:25:00 I don't know what it is... but you could just re-make your list with the sql table... Jun 10 17:26:34 if(event.item. isSwipedOff) Jun 10 17:26:36 heh Jun 10 17:28:41 LoneStar99: http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/yalm Jun 10 17:28:56 direct link for Yalm Jun 10 17:31:21 I'm confused, does webOS 1.4 have flash or not Jun 10 17:31:37 no flash Jun 10 17:31:46 just on the camera ;-) Jun 10 17:32:13 lol Jun 10 17:32:20 savior of the universe Jun 10 17:33:00 Mojo.Event.listDelete Jun 10 17:38:32 Tibfib: so i setup a handler to capture the default Mojo listDelete Jun 10 17:38:56 Anyone here familiar with the rom verifyer in webosdoctor.jar? Jun 10 17:39:07 will i have to respecify the array splice? within that, or will it still happen as a default mojo event Jun 10 17:39:55 so in other words - does that handler add to the default event, or does it replace it? Jun 10 17:40:04 pandora: looks like a great app! Jun 10 17:42:11 BigBiff: you need to listen on listDelete event Jun 10 17:42:18 LoneStar99: (in regards to the PDK on win7 x64) seriously it doesn't work? Jun 10 17:42:40 in the handler fcn, delete from the list model & delete drom sql Jun 10 17:43:08 LoneStar99: thanks, Yammer as a company/service has been doing great. they just didn't put out an official Palm app. so hopefully I'll get at least a few sales Jun 10 17:44:53 btw, there seems to be some issues with the listDelete and propertyChange events Jun 10 17:45:09 (if you use both of them on the same list, things get weird sometimes) Jun 10 17:45:29 I will paypal some one to help me with my issue lol Jun 10 17:45:32 that's what i fault Jun 10 17:45:37 HattCzech_work: read the docs some months ago and today and they state no support for 64bit Jun 10 17:45:43 fault = thought Jun 10 17:46:11 HattCzech_work: giving it a try on 64 win 7 anyways, maybe the ocs have not been updated Jun 10 17:46:30 having no handler at all, the default pops it from the list - so adding a handler means i have to set it up manually - i'll give it a go Jun 10 17:46:34 pandora--: 4 downloads so far... ;) not bad Jun 10 17:46:55 pandora: great 4 sales so far!! Jun 10 17:47:09 BigBiff: it may remove it from the list... but does it remove it from storage? Jun 10 17:47:12 pops it from the list but not from the list model... Jun 10 17:47:17 ahh, ic Jun 10 17:47:23 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/10279252.stm Jun 10 17:47:57 didnt realize that - cause my scene doesnt 'pop' when navigated away Jun 10 17:48:38 HattCzech_work: whoa sweet Jun 10 17:48:44 i was very confused - thought mojo did all that automatically somehow - now i know "-) Jun 10 17:49:46 anyone know when chuq does his review cleaning? Jun 10 17:50:33 i want my 4.8 rating back so it looks like 5 stars, not 4.5 :) Jun 10 17:52:02 Does the ipkg require some sort of signing to be used? Jun 10 17:52:04 HattCzech_work: i want my 5.0 rating back =( Jun 10 17:52:36 which app? Jun 10 17:53:16 sk1tt1sh: I'm pretty sure you'd have better luck in -internals... Jun 10 17:53:29 they have no useful suggestions either :( Jun 10 17:53:45 gotta work off that $50 submission fee Jun 10 17:53:47 go go go Jun 10 17:54:27 i have a few scripts in my ipk that's built and looks like other ipks but when i put it in the sprint.tar in the webosdoctor and run it the rom verify fails on those even though they copy and work Jun 10 17:54:28 sk1tt1sh what's your IPKG question again? I just got here. Jun 10 17:54:30 HattCzech_work: yeah, I'm down to 4.5 on iHate411 now Jun 10 17:54:34 boo Jun 10 17:55:09 Rick_work: basically i have some scripts i'm adding to webosdoctor and copying through that during docotor and rom verify fails on the files Jun 10 17:55:12 anyone know of online web security testing tools? Jun 10 17:56:13 is there something in rom verifyer I need to change or is it a problem with the ipk? Jun 10 17:57:31 I'm not sure how the rom-verifier works. But I have a suggestion which will let you tell yourself. Jun 10 17:58:30 If you just put an ipk with no scripts in it in the jar, does THAT blow the rom-verifier? or is it the presence of the scripts....??? Jun 10 17:59:24 also, have you looked at this page? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_Signing Jun 10 18:01:40 HattCzech_work: buildasearch app Jun 10 18:02:05 ahhh okay Jun 10 18:02:26 working on the PDK now, trying to get it work on 64bit Jun 10 18:03:50 hopefully it will Jun 10 18:05:27 HattCzech_work: so far no looking good Jun 10 18:05:29 OMG! Jun 10 18:05:35 THANK YOU FOR THAT LINK! Jun 10 18:05:35 no = not Jun 10 18:05:37 Hahahaha Jun 10 18:11:42 anyone here developing on the PDK? Jun 10 18:12:13 and has simple app running successfully? Jun 10 18:13:16 LoneStar99: I have a simple one here: http://github.com/robmerrell/pdk_chipmunk_test Jun 10 18:13:36 you're welcome? Jun 10 18:13:52 that's why we set up a wiki with good search tools.... Jun 10 18:14:29 Rick_work: why would you need to sign an application? Jun 10 18:14:42 Robdor: but u using 32bit? Jun 10 18:15:32 If it's a binary app, and has scripts, the either palm or preware requires that it be signed so that we can track-back if anyone puts out malware. Pure JS apps do not require signing, but to run scripts or to have PDK or WIDK functionality you have to sign them. Jun 10 18:16:02 LoneStar99: 64 bit Mac. Jun 10 18:19:00 Robdor: K Jun 10 18:48:21 hrm well it doesn't seem to mind that they're not signed save the webosdoctor fails. Jun 10 18:48:36 if I install my ipk from cmdline it works fine lol Jun 10 18:53:12 so do most of you guys work for palm? Jun 10 18:54:58 this launcher page of my apps is getting really crowded Jun 10 18:55:06 is there a way to add more pages? Jun 10 18:56:47 more than the 3 that are there? Jun 10 18:57:07 hrm, i know the patches can let you change the grid layout Jun 10 18:57:19 to do 4-5 across, etc Jun 10 18:59:02 ooh Jun 10 18:59:57 hmm Jun 10 19:00:06 I saw those patches in preware Jun 10 19:00:18 don't wanna do too much patching though Jun 10 19:00:29 just show battery percent in top bar Jun 10 19:03:53 evening Jun 10 19:06:53 Anyone have a new title idea for Mojo Messenger? Jun 10 19:08:17 Mojo Messenger is not allowed? Jun 10 19:08:19 didnt work wweak Jun 10 19:08:34 I think it is... just could be confused with mojo messaging service Jun 10 19:08:51 yeah Jun 10 19:09:14 Tibfib's Cool Messenger :) Jun 10 19:09:37 make a contest to find a new name Jun 10 19:10:13 Not a bad idea Jun 10 19:10:48 HattCzech_work: ok got PDK to display sample on Palm Pre! Jun 10 19:11:04 Windows 7 64Bit!! Jun 10 19:11:05 awesome Jun 10 19:11:22 so it is "supported"? Jun 10 19:12:50 according to this http://uoid.me/64bit1 Jun 10 19:12:56 It is not Jun 10 19:12:58 hi lonestar Jun 10 19:13:06 hi swisstomcat Jun 10 19:13:08 everyone trying out the pdk now? Jun 10 19:13:46 to get a new laptop :) Jun 10 19:13:47 swisstomcat: yeah testing if it works on win 7 64bit and it seems to work thus far Jun 10 19:13:52 lol Jun 10 19:14:22 just wating for the Microphone API =) Jun 10 19:14:38 you'll get that without using the PDK Jun 10 19:15:35 i think so, but will need to install some complex backend to compare voice files Jun 10 19:15:49 guess that is where the PDK will come into play Jun 10 19:19:17 can eclipse be used to develop in C/C++? Jun 10 19:19:55 i think so Jun 10 19:20:55 swisstomcat: have u messed with the PDK? Jun 10 19:21:02 not yet Jun 10 19:21:11 i tried to install it but i failed (on linux) Jun 10 19:21:20 i'll wait for the next release Jun 10 19:22:42 k Jun 10 19:23:15 swisstomcat: did you try using wine on linux? Jun 10 19:23:39 no Jun 10 19:23:52 i have a virtual xp machine i could use Jun 10 19:25:10 oh that may work Jun 10 19:27:06 ooh, i should try that in wine Jun 10 19:28:07 yeah it may work Jun 10 19:29:57 * pandora-- runs upstairs to try Jun 10 19:31:00 hey codeslaw Jun 10 19:31:05 anyone use visual studio? Jun 10 19:31:21 hey swisstomcat Jun 10 19:31:30 ping Robdor Jun 10 19:34:30 hi codeslaw Jun 10 19:34:33 LoneStar99: i use it here at work Jun 10 19:34:37 u using the the PDK right? Jun 10 19:34:48 hmm, well it's installing nicely in wine Jun 10 19:34:57 and downloading the extra packages within the installer Jun 10 19:35:10 pandora: nice Jun 10 19:35:24 codeslaw: u suing the PDK is that right? Jun 10 19:35:28 LoneStar99: yes Jun 10 19:35:35 what IDE are u using? Jun 10 19:35:41 none Jun 10 19:35:54 textmate + command line Jun 10 19:36:01 swisstomcat: do you use txt group? (or just when i ask you to test?) :) Jun 10 19:36:03 codeslaw_: pong Jun 10 19:36:11 hey Robdor Jun 10 19:36:15 thanks for replying on forums Jun 10 19:36:17 hattczech: no i don't use it Jun 10 19:36:39 okay, if you ever choose to, let me know and i'll remove ads for you Jun 10 19:36:41 i don't send many SMS Jun 10 19:36:44 HattCzech_work: there is a free visual studio version is that right? Jun 10 19:36:52 there is indeed Jun 10 19:36:54 yeah, express Jun 10 19:37:00 i think 2010 was just released Jun 10 19:37:07 but i'm using 2008 right now Jun 10 19:37:08 ok VS express, Jun 10 19:37:14 the free versions are pretty reasonable Jun 10 19:37:20 right on will download it later Jun 10 19:37:56 Robdor: figured out glBegin/glEnd have been deprecated.. know of a sample for using glDrawElements for a textured quad? Jun 10 19:38:35 codeslaw_: Yeah, you have to use vertex arrays instead. Let me see if I can dig something up in my bookmarks about those. Jun 10 19:39:20 was going full forward with SDL blitting, until i got it running on the device, and it chokes like hell Jun 10 19:39:45 Here is a basic introduction of vertex arrays: http://pandorawiki.org/OpenGL_ES_1.1_Tutorial Jun 10 19:39:57 even modified the custom rgba->rgba blitter from SDL_gfx for additive blending, way too slow on the phone Jun 10 19:40:03 sweet, i'll check it out Jun 10 19:40:22 I couldn't get smooth animations from SDL. I think it had to do with SDL not supporting sub-pixel positioning. Jun 10 19:40:43 ya, very choppy Jun 10 19:40:50 but deceptive, because it runs like butter on my mac Jun 10 19:41:05 so i was giddy for 2 days before compiling for the phone Jun 10 19:44:37 brb coffee break Jun 10 19:44:40 hi Jun 10 19:45:18 hi warpdesign Jun 10 19:45:38 hi warpdesign Jun 10 19:49:30 codeslaw_: fantastic idea. Jun 10 19:49:40 better yet, i'm just taking my laptop to the coffee shop Jun 10 19:52:59 lame. pdk install failed in wine Jun 10 19:53:07 brb.. going to coffeeshop Jun 10 19:58:06 what kind of cool apps can a brotha expect from the introduction of the pdk Jun 10 19:58:37 more 3d games Jun 10 19:58:40 ;o Jun 10 19:59:13 hybrid apps with javascript/html/css parts and c/c++ plugins Jun 10 19:59:31 yes Jun 10 19:59:36 soon enough Jun 10 19:59:54 hopefully before fall Jun 10 20:01:49 sounds like a good time to have bought a palm pre huh Jun 10 20:02:06 it's always a good time to have a pre man! Jun 10 20:02:12 yeah Jun 10 20:02:25 exciting times Jun 10 20:02:37 I hope so Jun 10 20:02:46 I'm watching the app front like a hawk Jun 10 20:03:19 woot Jun 10 20:03:31 pandora--: why install PDK in wine? running linux? Jun 10 20:03:33 are you a developer, torchie? Jun 10 20:03:44 I'm a developer but not a webOS developer Jun 10 20:03:46 codeslaw_: just cause :) Jun 10 20:04:00 torchie: mobile developer tho? Jun 10 20:04:03 codeslaw_: I also have a macbook, but that's only incidental, I'm a linux guy. Jun 10 20:04:10 trying to lean towards mobile dev Jun 10 20:04:16 pandora--: word Jun 10 20:04:20 * pandora-- is a mobile developer Jun 10 20:04:23 right now I'm doing OSX Jun 10 20:04:29 codeslaw_: yups. vim ftw. Jun 10 20:04:34 if you know web development then it sohuld be easy, torchie Jun 10 20:04:42 well I know a little CSS, javascript, html etc Jun 10 20:04:44 also if you know c/c++/sdl Jun 10 20:04:49 and some C++, SDL, opengl Jun 10 20:04:54 very good Jun 10 20:05:00 i dunno.. vim is cool, never got good at it, but used emacs all through college Jun 10 20:05:04 you should feel right at home with the PDK then, torchie Jun 10 20:05:29 are there fast SVG rendering apis? Jun 10 20:05:38 webkit Jun 10 20:05:41 no SVG support yet Jun 10 20:05:45 codeslaw_: I started using vim in '99, and i've used it for coding ever since Jun 10 20:05:52 codeslaw_: it's just faster than IDEs for me Jun 10 20:06:16 i hear that, only IDE i use is Flex Builder for my dayjob Jun 10 20:10:34 oy I think I might have a picture too big or something Jun 10 20:10:45 going into the wallpapers section of my photos freezes the phone Jun 10 20:11:16 oy Jun 10 20:11:25 well it's weird Jun 10 20:11:25 right now only the middle bar is working Jun 10 20:11:31 erm the middle button Jun 10 20:11:39 so I can zoom in and out but I can't flick off the card Jun 10 20:12:03 torchie: that happened to me once, i just had to wait a while. i think it was generating a preview size image or indexing or something Jun 10 20:14:08 urgh, been stuck for a while Jun 10 20:14:54 Robdor: from that tutorial, ‘GL_QUADS’ was not declared in this scope Jun 10 20:16:41 did you include the header with the opengl jazz Jun 10 20:16:48 ya Jun 10 20:16:54 turns out quads aren't supported in GL ES Jun 10 20:16:57 have to use 2 triangles Jun 10 20:17:39 oh yeah Jun 10 20:17:48 I heard something about that with iphone dev too Jun 10 20:18:10 two triangles being faster than one quad and such, as well Jun 10 20:18:26 alright think I gotta reset the phone Jun 10 20:18:30 codeslaw_: heheh Jun 10 20:18:37 or not. Jun 10 20:18:45 word Jun 10 20:19:07 I used to do a lot of 3d modelling stuff Jun 10 20:19:35 mostly game stuff, lots of fun Jun 10 20:19:49 yeah I'd love to make some human models Jun 10 20:19:54 not super detailed ones though Jun 10 20:20:00 talkin like playstation-level Jun 10 20:20:05 codeslaw_: Yeah, ES uses triangle strips instead of quads. Jun 10 20:20:07 just love the way ps1 graphics look lol Jun 10 20:20:34 hah Jun 10 20:21:09 dreamcast humans are pretty fun too Jun 10 20:21:10 good night everyone Jun 10 20:21:55 night Jun 10 20:22:26 low poly stuff like this? http://www.pandora.la/game/images/hydrostatic_creature6.jpg Jun 10 20:22:38 some of my game models from years ago :) Jun 10 20:23:58 I was mostly a character/weapons modeller for mod teams Jun 10 20:24:18 very nice Jun 10 20:24:27 pandora--: That looks great. I've tried 3d modeling, but I generally at artsy thing so I gave up on it pretty quickly. Jun 10 20:24:27 which game/games? Jun 10 20:25:05 Operation takedown, Hydrostatic, some other random doom3/quake3/halflife mods Jun 10 20:26:03 weapons stuff was fun, like these http://www.pandora.la/game/optd/images/optd_bg1_wb.jpg Jun 10 20:29:00 totally dig stuff like that Jun 10 20:32:58 sweet Jun 10 20:33:11 i played with some models, but that was q2 Jun 10 20:34:45 hey ben! Jun 10 20:35:05 hide the puppies guys Jun 10 20:37:26 uh oh. Jun 10 20:37:34 the touchscreen's not working Jun 10 20:37:53 Just testing a little IRC client someone gave me... Jun 10 20:37:53 OH THE HUMANITY!!! Jun 10 20:38:05 Hah Jun 10 20:38:18 well that's pretty cool Jun 10 20:38:35 yeah, I just got to see it in person. ;-) Jun 10 20:38:38 always good to have the most essential input method on a device suddenly not work Jun 10 20:38:41 I hate css. I really do. I can't get these divs to work with each other Jun 10 20:39:19 * lemketron ponders how far those bits had to travel electronically to span the one foot between Ben's device and my desktop Jun 10 20:39:22 I mean, I solved the hard part days ago, which was getting the irc to connect to websockets. Yet I cant make a simple non crap interface for it for the life of me Jun 10 20:42:22 oh son of a.... Stupid box had wrong class name Jun 10 20:50:09 Save for small positioning tweaks, I think the interface is almost done: http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client_2.html# Jun 10 20:58:36 god this is not good Jun 10 20:59:42 wait what Jun 10 20:59:45 now touchscreen works Jun 10 21:00:28 phew Jun 10 21:00:30 close call. Jun 10 21:02:14 ok, now its coming together nicely Jun 10 21:05:05 alright now it's doing this really scary thing Jun 10 21:05:14 where the touchscreen only works right when the USB is connected Jun 10 21:05:37 lol Jun 10 21:05:41 wow Jun 10 21:05:59 i'm laughing with you Jun 10 21:06:02 right? heh Jun 10 21:06:58 what the heeeeeeeeeeeck Jun 10 21:07:16 this is extremely uncool Jun 10 21:18:07 bleh Jun 10 21:19:12 god now it's just randomly not working Jun 10 21:29:54 ok i think it works again Jun 10 21:29:59 * torchie crosses fingers Jun 10 21:32:26 lol Jun 10 21:32:48 crackin me up Jun 10 21:34:16 this ain't crackin me up :( Jun 10 21:37:40 how do make the text in a text field align to the right instead of the left? Jun 10 21:38:45 text-align: right ? Jun 10 21:40:02 having an issue getting a text field .focus() working after I handle a button's tap event Jun 10 21:40:10 focus() seems to do nothing Jun 10 21:40:29 hemna: i mean... i want the cursor of a text input box Jun 10 21:40:32 to start on the right Jun 10 21:40:39 and i want the text to expand out left Jun 10 21:41:01 oh...yah I think there is a way to do that...with css Jun 10 21:41:31 direction: rtl; Jun 10 21:41:56 thanks let me try Jun 10 21:43:21 hmm Jun 10 21:43:24 that was almost right Jun 10 21:43:28 no dice ? Jun 10 21:43:37 the text expands right to left Jun 10 21:43:40 which is right Jun 10 21:43:45 and its now right aligned Jun 10 21:43:52 but the cursor stays on the far left Jun 10 21:43:58 seems sorta weird Jun 10 21:44:17 I'm not sure how to force the cursor to the right side of a text field Jun 10 21:46:30 so when i search for cursor all i get is mouse cursor stuff Jun 10 21:46:41 is the text position cursor called anything else? Jun 10 21:47:25 I think the only controls on cursor in css is the style of cursor Jun 10 21:47:38 wait vs text, etc Jun 10 21:49:23 what is the name of the blinky thing? Jun 10 21:49:32 hehe blinky thing? :P Jun 10 21:49:40 the what? Jun 10 21:50:12 the thing that indicates where the next character will appear Jun 10 21:50:18 in a text box Jun 10 21:50:21 or on a terminal Jun 10 21:50:55 so in Chrome I get the cursor on the right hand side of the text box Jun 10 21:51:10 Jun 10 21:51:26 cursor goes to rhs and text comes out right to left Jun 10 21:51:31 isn't that what you wanted? Jun 10 21:51:42 yeah that is Jun 10 21:51:48 its not what is happening on my phone Jun 10 21:51:53 oh Jun 10 21:51:54 the cursor is on the left Jun 10 21:52:02 webkit bug? Jun 10 21:52:07 idk Jun 10 21:52:25 wahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Jun 10 21:52:27 hahahahahaha Jun 10 21:52:28 ha Jun 10 21:52:28 i mean mojo css could be messing with stuff Jun 10 21:53:53 works in konqueror Jun 10 21:54:01 could be a mojo issue then Jun 10 21:54:03 alright Jun 10 21:54:03 f Jun 10 21:54:06 figured it out Jun 10 21:54:17 apparently the touchscreen not working is related to a loose battery Jun 10 21:54:35 ugg. There is no color in this right now Jun 10 21:55:28 I mean, it works even with its UI issues, but bleh Jun 10 21:56:58 urgh. Jun 10 22:01:58 and at times when I slide the phone down the battery menu slides down... Jun 10 22:07:47 ok so Jun 10 22:08:05 every time I slide the phone down the touchscreen stops working and I need to plug it in for it to start again Jun 10 22:11:30 anyone else had this issue? Jun 10 22:13:08 what issue? Jun 10 22:13:27 * halfhalo_class added colors to his web irc interface Jun 10 22:13:33 to freaking bland without em Jun 10 22:13:43 colors? Jun 10 22:13:55 yup, for usernames Jun 10 22:14:05 ah Jun 10 22:14:06 oil: touchscreen stops working when sliding down Jun 10 22:14:06 I totally did not just cut and paste the list from wirc though Jun 10 22:14:08 at all Jun 10 22:14:15 starts working again when phone gets plugged in Jun 10 22:14:27 torchie: ive never had that happen Jun 10 22:14:46 halfhalo_class: so what you're saying is... Jun 10 22:14:48 I still have to finish the ui, but the basic layout is there Jun 10 22:14:52 cool Jun 10 22:14:54 you totally cut and pasted from wirc? Jun 10 22:14:57 Yes Jun 10 22:15:00 wait, no Jun 10 22:15:01 lol Jun 10 22:15:04 dammit -_- Jun 10 22:15:17 * oilsworkn right-clicks>view-source Jun 10 22:15:31 to what.... Jun 10 22:15:31 well that might work if i remembered where it was Jun 10 22:15:31 lol Jun 10 22:15:33 :p Jun 10 22:15:38 http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client_2.html# Jun 10 22:15:40 New version Jun 10 22:15:46 though, the nick colors in wirc are randomized Jun 10 22:15:53 I know Jun 10 22:15:55 not from that list in the css/listselects Jun 10 22:15:56 Same with this Jun 10 22:16:46 I have to finishthe resize stuff Jun 10 22:16:59 so you're doing all this in the browser Jun 10 22:17:07 with the plan to move it to webos when jsservices are implemented? Jun 10 22:17:25 The actual irc connection class is an indepentent file Jun 10 22:18:09 Its the one that is doing all the parsing with the exception of the message formatting for the client Jun 10 22:19:02 And I really am not wanting to make the resize function "pretty" Jun 10 22:19:09 Its going to be a huge pain in the rear Jun 10 22:20:45 I'm going to make it so the userlist (empty box on the right) dynamically expands according to how many users there are, up to a certain point so it doesn't cause the page to scroll, and if there are no users for the message window to expand to take up the whole thing Jun 10 22:21:45 anyone know where palm HQ is? Jun 10 22:22:02 Not the address, but its a cool building Jun 10 22:22:15 * oilsworkn was about to say "in the USA" Jun 10 22:23:51 55 Industrial Way, Brisbane, CA 94005 ? Jun 10 22:24:01 no Jun 10 22:24:09 okay then Jun 10 22:24:25 its in sunnyvale Jun 10 22:25:07 hmmm, well someone is using my app from that location Jun 10 22:25:17 mua ha ha... ha... Jun 10 22:30:05 i wonder if palm tests out apps that are "in review" by allowing people to use them before they hit the catalog Jun 10 22:30:26 "hey, anyone using this app, try the new version, if it breaks, we'll deny it" Jun 10 22:30:32 seems like it might work Jun 10 22:44:21 home Jun 10 23:23:15 hi warpdesign_ Jun 10 23:38:16 torchie, you still alive? Jun 10 23:38:24 yeah Jun 10 23:38:33 go get your phone replaced Jun 10 23:38:36 my first pre did that Jun 10 23:38:45 huh. Jun 10 23:38:50 i figured out that wiggling the usb port would revive the screen Jun 10 23:39:15 the thing is this is a used device I got from someone else Jun 10 23:39:15 but any serious jolt to the pre would make the touchscreen stop working Jun 10 23:39:32 off contract Jun 10 23:39:35 maybe contact palm? Jun 10 23:39:45 theres a 1yr warranty i think Jun 10 23:39:47 wouldn't it already be out of warrranty? Jun 10 23:40:10 you could check the inservice date on the phone (i cant recall what #code it is tho) Jun 10 23:40:42 does anyone know what key combo generates Mojo.Char.f1 Jun 10 23:40:47 but yeah you dont have to plug in the usb, just have to wiggle the usb port. they never told me what the cause was but i got my device replaced Jun 10 23:41:01 well I just ran the doctor Jun 10 23:41:07 and now the touchscreen doesn't work at all Jun 10 23:41:11 so yeah. Jun 10 23:41:17 its a hardware issue Jun 10 23:41:34 and you know, I used to like sliders Jun 10 23:42:10 sounds like you bought a defective phone Jun 10 23:42:37 im on my 2nd pre and im just too lazy to take it back in for a replacement, as theres a sizable crack starting from the usb port , but its just bordering the screen so its just cosmetic at this point Jun 10 23:45:02 dawm: if its not holding your usb cable in well enough any more could argue "mechanical failure" Jun 10 23:45:18 wonder how many mechanical failures pixis have Jun 10 23:45:52 oh it holds the usb just fine, the crack is on the outer casing starting from one of the corners of the usb opening Jun 10 23:46:40 i guess ive dropped it a few too many times and its landed in such a way to stress that area, but atleast the crack turned south and borders the screen instead of running across it Jun 10 23:49:27 probably have to look into a hero Jun 10 23:54:48 dawm: usb crack is a VERY common problem Jun 10 23:56:50 test Jun 10 23:57:13 unwiredben: eh? Jun 10 23:58:20 unwiredben: didn't work Jun 10 23:58:40 unwiredben: any other non-game hybrids in play at the moment? Jun 10 23:59:00 (apart from the samples of course) Jun 11 00:03:26 team fortress 2 for mac! Jun 11 00:03:31 downloading now Jun 11 00:04:02 ;o Jun 11 00:04:22 sounds awesome but give that it didn't even run well for me on bootcamp... i guess I'd need a new mac Jun 11 00:04:42 runs good for me, but this is an 8core pro Jun 11 00:05:00 this is an 06 macbook :D Jun 11 00:05:01 rwhitby: can't say :) Jun 11 00:05:13 half life 2 in bootcamp crashed every time I went through a door Jun 11 00:05:37 unwiredben: you can mark an app as Pre-only in the catalog, right? Jun 11 00:05:47 treo pro activated Jun 11 00:05:49 * torchie cries Jun 11 00:06:03 yes you an Jun 11 00:06:05 can Jun 11 00:06:31 but it will be a while before hybrids are allowed in catalog Jun 11 00:06:32 hybrid apps are a PITA Jun 11 00:06:43 the whole system needs more testing Jun 11 00:07:01 oh neat, it's unwiredben Jun 11 00:07:03 oh, he just left Jun 11 00:07:04 :( Jun 11 00:07:11 hehe Jun 11 00:07:43 unwiredben: GLES question Jun 11 00:07:54 he left Jun 11 00:07:59 yargh! Jun 11 00:18:03 Amaranth: yeah, I'm sticking with C services over dbus for the moment Jun 11 00:18:20 too bad I can't ship that Jun 11 00:18:22 :P Jun 11 00:18:36 well, not through the official app catalog ... Jun 11 00:20:40 debating if I should try to go used again Jun 11 00:22:08 what are your options? Jun 11 00:22:18 we're good at giving bad advice... Jun 11 00:22:23 ooh I love bad advice Jun 11 00:22:27 well here's the dealie yo Jun 11 00:22:35 just contacted the guy and he'll refund me Jun 11 00:22:40 done with my day job....time to head home and work on my webos app :P Jun 11 00:22:50 so there's $80 right there Jun 11 00:23:42 I've got graduation money up the wazoo but I don't wanna spend so much on a phone that I wouldn't be able to get a netbook in case of emergency Jun 11 00:24:07 (or renew my sprint contract lol) Jun 11 00:25:47 then again would an evo 4G be worth contract renewal Jun 11 00:25:56 no it would not... Jun 11 00:26:05 hold out for a new webOS device Jun 11 00:26:38 talk to Palm about warranty first Jun 11 00:26:43 a new first generation webOS slider huh Jun 11 00:29:02 are u in a 4G area? Jun 11 00:29:43 I heard orlando will eventually have 4G Jun 11 00:29:46 which is where I'm going in the fall Jun 11 00:30:06 I wish I could just not pay and not get 4G because 3G was working pretty damn good already Jun 11 00:36:17 evening Jun 11 00:37:01 why, yes, it is... Jun 11 00:37:53 steve miller band...fly like an eagle...playing in nerdvana Jun 11 00:38:17 to the sea Jun 11 00:38:35 it's a premonition....an omen Jun 11 00:39:00 * BigBiff_pre really need to go to beach Jun 11 00:39:21 don't we all... Jun 11 00:39:39 I'm too po this summer Jun 11 00:39:51 day care sux Jun 11 00:40:58 torchie: go to chat and talk to Palm about your Pre... http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/supportservices/page_en.html Jun 11 00:41:22 ehh too much trouble Jun 11 00:41:51 well wait Jun 11 00:41:55 is the live chat like Jun 11 00:41:57 instant messaging Jun 11 00:43:36 probably still too much trouble Jun 11 00:48:32 damn it palm support Jun 11 00:48:43 "my touchscreen is broken. how do I get to the serial number?" Jun 11 00:48:46 "open device info Jun 11 00:48:47 " Jun 11 00:50:17 with a wrench? Jun 11 00:57:25 so it's still under warranty Jun 11 00:57:30 but I dunno man Jun 11 01:01:25 whoa Jun 11 01:01:35 advance exchange request Jun 11 01:01:36 sounds badass Jun 11 01:01:52 they send you a refurb and instructions on how to ship back the broken one Jun 11 01:02:22 hi all! Jun 11 01:02:37 gah the palm site is so hard to navigate Jun 11 01:02:37 moop Jun 11 01:02:46 anyone have a link to the page that shows what SDL modules are available? Jun 11 01:02:47 there's gotta be a catch Jun 11 01:03:03 like I'm gonna call the voice team and they're gonna be like HAHA did you talk with simon? Jun 11 01:03:07 oh man that guy's such a kidder Jun 11 01:03:30 he just jokes around about our customer service policies Jun 11 01:03:36 torchie: iirc they need a cc number as collateral or something Jun 11 01:04:30 what happens if I send them my device, it successfully reaches them, and upon closer inspection they find that for whatever reason the warranty does not cover it? Jun 11 01:04:52 will the card be charged? Jun 11 01:05:28 most likely they ship it back after a phone call saying so. but if it's hardware it's covered Jun 11 01:06:05 I just don't want trouble Jun 11 01:06:10 unless, you know, dropped it in a pool or whatnot Jun 11 01:06:20 speaking of that Jun 11 01:06:26 I can't seem to find the water damage sticker on this thing Jun 11 01:06:30 * halfhalo_pre is still on his launch day pre Jun 11 01:08:59 is it visible to the naked user? Jun 11 01:09:11 no idea Jun 11 01:10:10 * halfhalo_pre is board Jun 11 01:10:29 torchie: there are two of them Jun 11 01:11:08 one on the comms board, one on the omap board Jun 11 01:11:17 rwhitby: you get my last message? Jun 11 01:11:28 torchie: see my Pre disassembly messages for details Jun 11 01:11:31 halfhalo_pre: yes, thanks. Jun 11 01:12:15 well if I disassembled the device it wouldn't be under warranty would it Jun 11 01:12:44 so they've done a dastardly thing and hidden the water damage indicators from the user :( Jun 11 01:13:13 rwhitby: i'll send you what looks to be a tracking number tomorrow morning or whenever I get home tonight Jun 11 01:14:12 torchie: they're in plain sight on the boards Jun 11 01:14:21 but you need to get to the boards first :) Jun 11 01:16:51 people are giving me weird looks because I have two things of fries... Jun 11 01:17:26 nobody else is here, but I bet I'd get strange looks for this smoked ribeye Jun 11 01:18:04 torchie: do it. It's a good option Jun 11 01:20:40 well Jun 11 01:20:56 what's the lifetime of the sprint pre? Jun 11 01:21:23 not like durability but in obsolescence Jun 11 01:21:57 hard to say .. but at least for the next few updates since there's no new hardware announced yet Jun 11 01:22:11 given that the more powerful version of the phone was just released on three better received carriers, I feel like app support may drop on sprint pre Jun 11 01:22:47 it just has more flash and more RAM .. processing power is still the same Jun 11 01:23:11 yeah but you never know, devs might rock apps that use 400MB RAM somehow Jun 11 01:23:38 sounds a little absurd, but ok Jun 11 01:23:42 lol Jun 11 01:24:02 absurd enough to avoid a $110 pre to finish off a sprint contract with smooth sailing? Jun 11 01:24:50 i don't know what you're asking Jun 11 01:26:26 well Jun 11 01:26:44 good evening everyone Jun 11 01:27:26 more absurd than that Jun 11 01:27:30 my sprint contract ends next year Jun 11 01:27:45 I got this pre for $80, it broke but it's under warranty, and palm's advance exchange program is $30 to have a refurbished device in its place Jun 11 01:28:16 * halfhalo_pre heard a 5 cylinder 2.4L Turbocharged volvo engine start up and it made him hapy Jun 11 01:28:39 option #2 is to be refunded by the guy I bought it from and sit on my butt Jun 11 01:28:43 torchie: they won't replace it for free ? Jun 11 01:28:49 they will but I'm impatient Jun 11 01:29:03 lol Jun 11 01:29:07 is your patience worth $30 ? Jun 11 01:29:15 I'd say so Jun 11 01:29:28 so then you aren't paying for the pre Jun 11 01:29:34 you're paying for your lack of patience Jun 11 01:29:46 tis truly a virtue eh Jun 11 01:29:57 so you already thought the pre was worth $80 .. and if you think impatience is worth $30 . then i guess you have your answer Jun 11 01:30:11 good point Jun 11 01:30:39 time to make the call and hope for the best Jun 11 01:30:40 but what about the children?!? Jun 11 01:30:48 !!! Jun 11 01:30:56 they'll just have to STARVE Jun 11 01:32:25 pre's probably cooler than a samsung moment anyway Jun 11 01:32:56 anyone know how to convert screen coords to GL coords in 2d orthogonal mode? Jun 11 01:33:06 mmmmmmmmmmm Jun 11 01:33:08 i.e. mouse coords Jun 11 01:33:16 pre ford volvo............ Jun 11 01:33:30 alright gonna have to think of a cool joke to start the customer service call with Jun 11 01:34:17 the moment sucks Jun 11 01:34:42 torchie: a man carrying a sheep walks into his bedroom where is wife is reading. Jun 11 01:34:54 sucks huh Jun 11 01:34:58 "this is the cow I have to sleep with when you have a headache" the man says. Jun 11 01:35:19 Woman replies "Well if you had half a brain you'd realize that was a sheep" Jun 11 01:35:39 so the man says "If YOU had half a brain, you'd know I was talking to the sheep" Jun 11 01:36:26 ummmmm..... someone just rode by on a gas scooter Jun 11 01:36:41 which is odd, since I'm in a bookstore Jun 11 01:36:57 i'd say Jun 11 01:37:10 two men walk into a bar. the third one ducked Jun 11 01:37:30 oh, wait. You said "cool joke" Jun 11 01:39:18 sooo... guess what movie is out tonight Jun 11 01:45:01 yeah I was gonna say "do I get bonus points for calling you guys on a treo?" Jun 11 01:45:06 but they snuck up on me Jun 11 01:45:29 like right after I pressed the "palm pre service" button a person was on the other end Jun 11 01:45:39 so all I could muster up was "whoa you're a human!" Jun 11 01:46:11 well, I would go that far Jun 11 01:46:21 so $400 hold charge Jun 11 01:46:57 ah Jun 11 01:47:22 apparently the carrier may be able to do something under manufacturer's warranty Jun 11 01:47:52 that's what most peeps did Jun 11 01:48:17 walk in, say it's messed up, get a refurb Jun 11 01:48:31 really? Jun 11 01:48:39 it couldn't have been that simple Jun 11 01:50:52 my friend did it Jun 11 01:51:12 but it was two days after launch so he had to wait a day and got it new Jun 11 01:51:37 I guess I'll see what sprint's dealie is tomorrow Jun 11 01:51:50 given that pre isn't the limelight phone anymore Jun 11 01:53:39 * halfhalo_pre has a sprint pre, vzw pre plus, another sprint pre Jun 11 01:54:37 halfhalo_pre: is pimp Jun 11 01:54:52 lol Jun 11 01:54:58 word Jun 11 01:55:24 I have a broken sprint pre and a working sprint treo pro Jun 11 01:55:30 in other words, I have two broken phones Jun 11 01:55:43 I may end up giving the plus up to my parents since my moms phone is dying (dont want to renew contract) and getting an att pixi Jun 11 01:56:06 Can we use freetype in PDK apps? Jun 11 01:57:41 family gatherings are weird for me... have a cousin at sprint and another at verizon Jun 11 01:59:31 weird? should be like christmas Jun 11 02:00:36 did I mention their dad is a chp captian and brothers are in the lapd and chp? Jun 11 02:00:52 must have slipped my mind Jun 11 02:10:29 haeffb: what does "use folder" mean Jun 11 02:11:26 if they have selected to view tasks by folders, then filter by a specific folder, and create a new task, use that folder for the new task Jun 11 02:13:39 haeffb: ok trying to figure out a correct translation for it Jun 11 02:13:59 the English isn't very good...don't fret too much Jun 11 02:14:09 k Jun 11 02:38:04 Howdy Jun 11 02:52:36 haeffb: more than half way done.. Jun 11 02:52:45 kesne: hello! Jun 11 02:53:05 Hello! Jun 11 02:53:06 How goes it? Jun 11 02:56:22 good, here translating some files **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 11 02:59:57 2010