**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 14 02:59:57 2010 Jun 14 03:12:39 is it possible to reload the content of a div using prototype? Jun 14 03:15:23 torchie: webos-internals.org has been doing native development on webOS devices well before PDK was even thought of, and definitely before the 3D games were done. There are over 1300 command line linux packages that we have compiled up for the Pre. Jun 14 03:16:38 are all of those command line packages available in preware? Jun 14 03:26:56 they are available by the Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer in Preware Jun 14 03:59:30 sounds... different Jun 14 05:38:33 I wish I had valgrind... Jun 14 06:04:21 hey when you sign up as a palm dever and you choose to be open source, does that mean you cannot sell your apps? Jun 14 06:04:53 open source and selling are not mutually exclusive Jun 14 06:05:33 ok so then can i submit an open app and sell it for a fee? Jun 14 06:05:41 or are open apps required to be free? Jun 14 06:05:54 drPodder ($0.99) is open source Jun 14 06:06:03 ok great Jun 14 06:06:04 thx Jun 14 06:06:13 Note that anyone can take your open source app, put their name on it, and sell it for half-price :) Jun 14 06:06:26 (as long as they also comply with the open source license) Jun 14 06:06:30 ya Jun 14 06:06:37 is there a min price? Jun 14 06:06:45 hmm - good question Jun 14 06:06:53 Free is a good minimum :) Jun 14 06:07:50 xsism: what's your open source background? Jun 14 06:08:19 i've run an operating system development community for about 7-8 years Jun 14 06:08:27 working in assmebly and C/C++ Jun 14 06:08:42 i currently am a web developer in PHP and whatever else Jun 14 06:08:49 i am fluent in js/css/html Jun 14 06:08:57 i run a vps for my clients Jun 14 06:09:18 ive never actually published code to a group really other than hobby work Jun 14 06:09:26 what about you? Jun 14 06:09:57 xsism: which community? Jun 14 06:10:10 www.osdever.net Jun 14 06:10:21 bona fide os development Jun 14 06:10:34 xsism: 25 years of open source development, most recently with nslu2-linux.org, openembedded.org, openmoko.org and webos-internals.org Jun 14 06:11:00 wow Jun 14 06:11:02 very cool Jun 14 06:13:53 what IDE do you use? Jun 14 06:14:13 i like eclipse but there isnt much info on deving for webos in eclipse Jun 14 06:19:43 I use Emacs Jun 14 06:20:06 text mode usually Jun 14 06:20:35 often in an OSX iTerm window, ssh'd into a linux virtual machine Jun 14 06:21:26 i've looked into that Jun 14 06:21:36 any tips on getting it setup and learning it? Jun 14 06:21:40 a cheat sheet naybe? Jun 14 06:21:42 maybe Jun 14 06:21:48 im on windows atm Jun 14 06:30:24 what linux machine are you ssh'd into? Jun 14 06:40:05 an ubuntu 10.4 instance inside virtualbox running on my Mac laptop Jun 14 06:40:21 lol Jun 14 06:40:34 i setup ubuntu 9.10 in vbox yesterday Jun 14 06:40:51 gtma Jun 14 06:40:58 or gmta Jun 14 06:42:04 how do i get into c syntax mode in emacs? Jun 14 06:48:43 morning Jun 14 06:50:02 Good morning swisstomcat> Jun 14 06:50:19 hi hotdp Jun 14 06:56:43 gnite all ;) Jun 14 07:38:19 hi there Jun 14 07:43:12 hi warpdesign Jun 14 07:45:44 what's up ? Jun 14 07:49:45 swisstomcat: u gonna be up for a while Jun 14 07:50:05 puffthemagic: probably :) it's 9:50am Jun 14 07:50:13 great Jun 14 07:50:18 can you join #wirc Jun 14 07:50:23 and help out oil Jun 14 07:50:35 sure Jun 14 08:28:08 * oil needs someone who's client supports dcc chat Jun 14 08:29:08 well, i can use another client Jun 14 08:29:20 which one is good? Jun 14 08:30:28 xchat? Jun 14 10:13:47 hi warpdesign_ Jun 14 10:14:35 or warpdesign__ Jun 14 10:16:15 hey Bmyers Jun 14 10:16:36 how are you doing out there? Jun 14 10:16:55 good Jun 14 10:16:57 you ? Jun 14 10:17:44 ok i guess. been better Jun 14 10:18:38 really ? Jun 14 10:18:38 do you use PHP? Jun 14 10:18:48 I do Jun 14 10:19:54 is there a trick to outputting special characters for French? Jun 14 10:19:59 or Euro Jun 14 10:20:08 what do you mean ? Jun 14 10:20:31 in the app i sent u , 2 categories dont show up? Jun 14 10:20:38 just use utf8 and there shouldn't be any problem Jun 14 10:21:20 in the db u mean? Jun 14 10:24:04 well, in php as well Jun 14 10:24:13 what's wrong for you ? the db and/or php output ? Jun 14 10:24:28 the best thing to do is to use utf8 everywhere Jun 14 10:39:56 rehi Jun 14 11:00:11 rehi swisstomcat Jun 14 12:47:41 hi templarian Jun 14 12:47:49 just installed komodo edit and your addon Jun 14 12:47:54 finally :) Jun 14 12:48:52 morn'n haeffb_pre Jun 14 12:49:33 hello Jun 14 12:52:35 templarian: the only think i'm stuck at is how to import my current development directory as projects Jun 14 12:54:16 The wiki explains it. Jun 14 12:54:27 But simple create a new project and replace the src/ folder Jun 14 12:54:46 that's how i understood the help in the wiki Jun 14 12:54:53 I have it force you to be organized (plus it makes git/svn easier). Jun 14 12:55:15 but i'd like to import my current projects that are in /home/tomcat/palm-development Jun 14 12:55:58 one directory per project Jun 14 12:56:02 no way to do that? Jun 14 13:00:21 hmm, think i figured it out :) Jun 14 13:05:30 this is cool .. thank you, templarian :) Jun 14 13:05:44 if i keep using it i'll donate Jun 14 13:07:15 * Templarian was doing work stuff, good to see it worked. Now to get ready before a long consulting thing. arg. Jun 14 13:42:44 morning Jun 14 13:43:38 Glad you didn't say good Jun 14 13:45:08 no ? Jun 14 13:46:11 no, stupid memory corruption and no valgrind :/ Jun 14 13:49:28 sounds bad Jun 14 13:53:49 http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog the download count. is that for uniq downloads or does a update also count? :( Jun 14 13:58:23 hi, i want know if exists one method to update my application , my app of word cup with on palm store is buged, i fixed this but package with fiexed not update on palm store, I'm losing a lot donwloas and received numerous bad reviews. Jun 14 13:59:31 looking http://www.myappbox.com/a/com.arctic.worldcup2010/ Jun 14 14:01:58 morning all Jun 14 14:06:16 hi HattCzech Jun 14 14:09:03 anestesya: you have to submit the fix to Palm through the dev portal and await their review Jun 14 14:10:13 yes, but.. review its long time Jun 14 14:10:16 =/ Jun 14 14:10:26 4 days Jun 14 14:20:20 LoneStar99: you around? Jun 14 14:21:27 rehi Jun 14 14:21:39 hey swisstomcat, what's the german word for "cancel"? :) Jun 14 14:21:44 (morning, btw) :) Jun 14 14:21:52 krebs Jun 14 14:21:55 ;) Jun 14 14:22:06 morning hattczech Jun 14 14:22:14 cancer=krebs Jun 14 14:22:18 cancel=abbrechen Jun 14 14:22:39 stupid google translator Jun 14 14:22:44 that would have been ALL wrong Jun 14 14:23:10 mein hute ere hat abbrechen Jun 14 14:23:17 sp Jun 14 14:23:36 heh Jun 14 14:23:43 i don't understand a word Jun 14 14:23:55 what did google translate say? Jun 14 14:28:11 stornieren was #1 Jun 14 14:29:03 that works too Jun 14 14:29:15 as a word Jun 14 14:29:24 but is probably never used in an app Jun 14 14:32:13 okay Jun 14 14:32:39 morning evone Jun 14 14:33:44 morning Jun 14 14:42:33 LoneStar99: "cancel" is "cancelar" in spanish, right? Jun 14 14:43:03 and warpdesign__: "cancel" is "annuler" in french? Jun 14 14:43:12 HattCzech_work, yep Jun 14 14:43:34 ok cool Jun 14 14:52:11 any thoughts on how i could phrase "donations remove ads" in the app catalog? Jun 14 14:52:39 i'm setting it up so it's $1 per device, but should i explicitly say that? Jun 14 14:58:02 anyone? thoughts? Jun 14 15:00:29 what was the question? Jun 14 15:02:49 HattCzech_work: yeah Jun 14 15:03:26 cancelar = cancel Jun 14 15:05:34 have same 20 lines of code that are called 3 in 3 diffrent functions , do not want to rewrite the same 20 lines 3 times, what do you all recommend? Jun 14 15:07:21 function Jun 14 15:07:36 swisstomcat: any thoughts on how i could phrase "donations remove ads" in the app catalog? [09:52] i'm setting it up so it's $1 per device, but should i explicitly say that? Jun 14 15:07:56 LoneStar99: set it up so it can be called with arguments Jun 14 15:08:30 maybe something like "at least $1 per device" Jun 14 15:10:55 let me find some good wording... Jun 14 15:15:08 "your generous contribution of $1 or more will provide you with hours of ad-free entertainment." Jun 14 15:15:59 "now gimme a dollar, dammit" Jun 14 15:16:55 translation may be tricky... Jun 14 15:18:32 HattCzech: are you able to make $ on the ads? Jun 14 15:18:50 yeah, but not much Jun 14 15:18:57 cool Jun 14 15:19:25 sugardave: i like that... although entertainment may be more for games, but good phrasing Jun 14 15:19:39 how would I call the following function "FirstAssistant.prototype.sortable = function() { }" Jun 14 15:19:52 heh, I didn't know what genre your app is :D Jun 14 15:20:03 swisstomcat: do you have time to verify my translations in my new version? Jun 14 15:20:11 group texting Jun 14 15:20:12 a bit, yes Jun 14 15:20:26 "entertainment" = "group texting" and done! :) Jun 14 15:20:29 LoneStar99: make a standalone .js with the funtcion you want in it as a var, include it in your sources.json, and then you should be able to call that var function anywhere Jun 14 15:22:11 HattCzech_work: "Done Un Dolar o Muerte" Jun 14 15:22:25 give me a dollar or die? :) Jun 14 15:22:51 not sure on the "done", but i know i'm close :) Jun 14 15:23:34 HattCzech_work: yeah lol Jun 14 15:23:36 lol Jun 14 15:24:10 Actually "donate a dollar or death" Jun 14 15:24:44 anyone here using komodo? Jun 14 15:24:59 i am Jun 14 15:25:05 sugardave: done the steps above but get an error... Jun 14 15:25:16 "Donations of $1 or more will remove advertisements (anything additional can be used for multiple devices)." does that work Jun 14 15:25:17 ? Jun 14 15:25:23 can you view the logs with the webos extension, hattczech? Jun 14 15:26:15 LoneStar99: paste your .js, your sources.json, and the assistant with the code throwing the error Jun 14 15:26:31 which logs are you referring to, swisstomcat? Jun 14 15:26:40 the log of an app Jun 14 15:26:49 i use putty Jun 14 15:26:56 they ones you get when you call palm-log Jun 14 15:27:12 i thought maybe there's a logviewer integrated into the webos extension for komodo Jun 14 15:27:30 here is the one to ask :) Jun 14 15:27:39 ohhh, i haven't used it if there is... Jun 14 15:27:40 i use... Jun 14 15:27:42 tail -f /var/log/messages | sed 's/^.\+ com.hattczech.txtgroup: \(.\+\), palmInit\(.\+\)/\1/' Jun 14 15:27:51 keeps my logs easy to read Jun 14 15:28:09 HattCzech_work: what's that sed do? Jun 14 15:28:10 templarian: is there a logviewer in the komdodo webos extension? Jun 14 15:28:30 i'll show u... one sec... Jun 14 15:28:31 I just use tail -f /var/log/messages | grep -i [part of my app id] Jun 14 15:28:38 sugardave: http://pastebin.com/GwfWMZLs Jun 14 15:29:14 HattCzech_work: your verbiage above sounds good Jun 14 15:29:53 LoneStar99: line 8 (your definition in sort.js) should be more like: var sortable = function () {....} Jun 14 15:30:00 2010-06-14T15:29:21.058159Z [1013581] qemux86 user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.hattczech.txtgroup: Info: TA==> TxtgroupAssistant, palmInitFramework338:2520 Jun 14 15:30:00 Info: TA==> TxtgroupAssistant Jun 14 15:30:08 that's what the sed does ;) Jun 14 15:30:26 HattCzech_work: nice, I never took time to learn sed/awk :( Jun 14 15:30:44 i did a quick look over to make logs readable :) Jun 14 15:30:49 cuz it was painful before Jun 14 15:30:59 indeed Jun 14 15:31:24 cat /dev/null > /var/log/messages, restart test, vi in a WIDE screen terminal, etc. Jun 14 15:31:32 it's not very efficient Jun 14 15:32:16 swisstomcat: yes just type "log" Jun 14 15:32:34 It filters it for your application if I recall. Jun 14 15:32:38 sugardave: how would I call "var sortable = function (){}" in my code? Jun 14 15:33:23 asuming sort.js is included in sources.json before the assistant you want to use it in....you just call it: sortable(); Jun 14 15:35:04 sugardave: getting "[20100614-08:30:11.434323] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'get' of undefined, app/assistants/sort.js:8" Jun 14 15:35:09 okay Jun 14 15:35:16 templarian: typing that and enter gives a popup "removed into function" Jun 14 15:35:17 that means this.controller is not defined Jun 14 15:35:21 change to this Jun 14 15:35:33 swisstomcat: in the little command box? Jun 14 15:35:35 Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get(...) Jun 14 15:35:45 templarian: yes, inside the webos extension Jun 14 15:36:05 Then just do it the old school way. Jun 14 15:36:17 :) Jun 14 15:39:07 ok, thanks Jun 14 15:39:42 sugardave: would I change "this.gotResults.bind(this)," Line 36 to "Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().gotResults.bind(this)" ? Jun 14 15:40:37 no, the 'this.controller.get('sBox').show();' to 'Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get('sBox').show(); Jun 14 15:41:52 AND the last one you have there...this.controller.get('res-t').innerHTML to Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get('res=t').innerHTML Jun 14 15:42:17 sugardave: sorry, changed it but now get the following error: "[20100614-08:37:27.422928] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'bind' of undefined, app/assistants/sort.js:36" Jun 14 15:42:30 paste just sort.js Jun 14 15:43:22 http://pastebin.com/SUhaW8YH Jun 14 15:44:17 LoneStar99: you don't have a function for gotResults or failure defined Jun 14 15:44:31 this.gotResults doesn't exist Jun 14 15:44:44 nor does this.failure Jun 14 15:45:12 warpdesign__: you around>? Jun 14 15:45:45 yep Jun 14 15:46:09 sugardave: you are right let me fix that Jun 14 15:46:24 of course I'm right! :P Jun 14 15:49:53 lol Jun 14 16:02:07 sugardave: got it working thanks, tons more still to do... Jun 14 16:02:17 one step closer Jun 14 16:09:49 yeah Jun 14 16:34:54 i could use a css tip Jun 14 16:35:03 i have 2 div's that i want stacked Jun 14 16:35:05 I could use all of them Jun 14 16:35:06 i have that Jun 14 16:35:10 but they are way to far apart Jun 14 16:35:16 not sure how i bring them closer together Jun 14 16:35:28 it's either going to be margin or padding Jun 14 16:35:36 one is for inside the content box Jun 14 16:35:44 one is for outside (I think padding) Jun 14 16:35:54 so try negative padding? Jun 14 16:35:56 that sounds right Jun 14 16:36:04 margin inside, padding outside Jun 14 16:47:27 anybody using admob? Jun 14 16:48:28 i'm running into a problem where if i change the test_mode to 'false' then all of a sudden the requests to admob result in fails. Jun 14 17:11:40 is there any info anywhere about the event param passed to the cleanup function? Jun 14 17:13:39 PuffTheMagic: not sure there is one... Jun 14 17:16:59 dpivs: i am using admob Jun 14 17:17:27 hi HattCzhech_work: did you find any issues in switching from test_mode: true to false? Jun 14 17:17:35 you sure it fails? Jun 14 17:17:46 it may not show an ad, but that doesn't mean it fails Jun 14 17:18:05 my impression rate is less than 50% lately Jun 14 17:18:15 (meaning i send a request, and they DON'T send me an ad) Jun 14 17:19:13 I'm pretty sure, i mean, the div where the ad should show comes up blank, and in the log i get the 'ad request fail' message. Jun 14 17:19:51 hmm, then yeah, that would be an issue :) Jun 14 17:20:13 yeah i emailed the admob people, but who knows when they'll decide to respond, right? Jun 14 17:20:52 give me a few mins, and i'll check over my code and let you know Jun 14 17:20:56 what's even more bizarre is that once in a while the ad does show, this is like once a day or something. Jun 14 17:21:07 thanks HattCzech_work Jun 14 17:25:46 okay, dpivs, that does sound kinda like the impression rate... :/ Jun 14 17:26:02 i don't know if mine fail or not when i turn off test mode Jun 14 17:26:11 but i know they show up less than 1/2 the time Jun 14 17:26:34 oh man, hahaha, really? so this is pretty normal huh? Jun 14 17:26:51 AdMob.ad.initialize({pub_id: "id_num", bg_color: "#e4e4e2"}); Jun 14 17:26:57 i do that in my appassistant Jun 14 17:27:21 AdMob.ad.request({onSuccess: (function(ad) { this.controller.get('admob_ad').insert(ad); }).bind(this)}); Jun 14 17:27:28 and that in my main stage Jun 14 17:27:47 if you check on your stats page... you can check your impression rate Jun 14 17:28:09 which means you send a request and they don't send an ad back, so it won't pop up an ad Jun 14 17:28:47 ah, i see. Jun 14 17:29:36 so end of may, my fill rate (requests/ impressions) was like 95% Jun 14 17:29:41 but now it's like 40-45% Jun 14 17:30:16 so some of my app reviews are like "i hate ads! this isn't free!" blah blah... and others say "are we using the same program? no ads here!" Jun 14 17:30:17 ahahah Jun 14 17:30:46 hahaha that is pretty funny. Jun 14 17:31:21 but if it shows up once a day, then you probably have it coded properly Jun 14 17:31:27 just admob is slacking Jun 14 17:31:38 http://www.admob.com/reporting/sites/ and login Jun 14 17:31:41 HattCzech_work: thanks for your help, i guess I'll just have to live with it for now. and maybe shoot admob a few emails once in a while. Jun 14 17:32:31 no problem Jun 14 18:03:18 hey guys Jun 14 18:03:29 yo Jun 14 18:03:50 is there any known/easy way to "share" something on facebook from within a webos app? Jun 14 18:03:51 so i released a crappy app on android, and got over bunch of downloads within matter of hours Jun 14 18:03:57 people like to download crappy apps... Jun 14 18:04:03 Nyceane: hehe Jun 14 18:04:09 what's the app? Jun 14 18:04:17 vindows wista Jun 14 18:04:21 just a bsod app Jun 14 18:04:30 i got 1000 downloads in matte rof 8 hours Jun 14 18:04:46 i spent a lot of times building pickup sports, and i barely, barely have 1000 downloads on android Jun 14 18:05:07 its kind of not fair that you work hard on something and it doesnt pay off, work on a crappy app people give you response Jun 14 18:05:29 but oh well, i can't change the human nature, its not up for me to judge Jun 14 18:06:36 lol Jun 14 18:06:51 just have to find a way to make money on the crappy apps Jun 14 18:08:21 i am =_= Jun 14 18:08:31 wired even made an article about me doing that Jun 14 18:15:00 nyceane: more dlds on android apps or webos? Jun 14 18:17:03 pandora: you can use the installed facebook app to share something Jun 14 18:56:31 italy or paraguay? Jun 14 18:56:39 i say italy or a tie Jun 14 18:58:46 italy Jun 14 18:58:49 no question Jun 14 19:03:18 yeah Jun 14 19:03:42 deutschland killed australia yesterday Jun 14 19:08:10 Well, the Australian players still looked pretty alive after the match *g* Jun 14 19:09:39 wow paraguay just scored wow Jun 14 19:09:56 wow Jun 14 19:10:28 RamsesFSFE: problem with the game germany had possession of the ball like 60% of the time Jun 14 19:11:15 LoneStar99: IMHO, that wasn't a problem ;-) Jun 14 19:12:03 That and the fact that the austrailians were just flat out-classed, they kept trying to pass laterally and handing the ball to the Germans... Every time they got CLOSE to the goal, the Germans walked away with the ball. Jun 14 19:13:12 rick_work: did notice that Jun 14 19:38:50 quick ? for anyone that has played much with the app catalog and/or feeds.....can you access the app catalog with a special URL/arg to display only the list of applications by a certain publisher....like com.somecompany.* ? Jun 14 19:40:32 i don't think so Jun 14 19:41:50 lame....have a potential job and one of the requirements is a "more apps" page that is "similar to the platform's app store" Jun 14 19:41:57 was hoping I could save some time :D Jun 14 19:43:09 consume the feed on your server and make a small webservice Jun 14 19:44:17 I could do that (I tried the full feed thing once and it broke my Drupal) but I will probably just have them put up a list (they host on Amazon) and then I'll do some lame mockup HTML around that that will go to the app catalog Jun 14 19:45:18 don't worry, I will have harder questions soon :D Jun 14 19:45:37 a job to develop an app for someone? Jun 14 19:45:59 yeah, short project, seemed very simple until I got the requirements document Jun 14 19:46:05 I'm writing up my proposal now Jun 14 19:46:08 heh Jun 14 19:51:26 sugardave: i have all the information from the app catalog in a database Jun 14 19:52:31 LoneStar99: nice...this is forward-lloking, though, so we don't know what the app IDs are going to be yet, etc. Jun 14 19:52:31 sugardave: the feeds are to large to use them directly Jun 14 19:53:05 LoneStar99: I'll say...I couldn't set my proider's php memory limit high enough to process the full feed when I was messing around with it Jun 14 19:53:21 have a server which every couple of hours, parses the feeds, and inserts them into a SQL DB Jun 14 19:54:02 inserts data from the feeds into mysql Jun 14 19:54:31 that's what I was trying to do, but wa using Drupal's feed aggregator module for it...I"m sure it's buggy Jun 14 19:54:52 do not have all the information, but just enough information for each app: price, title, description, icon, screenshot, region, and package name Jun 14 19:55:09 and published date Jun 14 19:56:46 when trying to test the feeds: all my browsers crash Jun 14 19:57:28 so, this is a ringtone app....I presume by now there are many of you whom I can rely on for technical questions should they arise Jun 14 19:59:26 * sugardave hears crickets. Jun 14 20:01:44 yeah a few Jun 14 20:03:24 sugardave: ringtones brings up 26 results Jun 14 20:04:21 i'm in! Jun 14 20:04:23 yeah, the good news is I don't have to care about the competition...this guy is in iPhone/BB already since May '09. He just needs a webOS dev to give him a skeleton Jun 14 20:05:19 haeffb_pre: awesome Jun 14 20:05:44 haeffb_pre: welcome back Jun 14 20:05:49 would be if I knew anything... Jun 14 20:06:47 haeffb_pre: you have worked on the command menu right? Jun 14 20:07:20 yes he has, that's right! Jun 14 20:07:28 AND he knows how to change the icons on them Jun 14 20:07:40 that will be one for me to pester I'm sure Jun 14 20:08:18 yes he has Jun 14 20:09:34 haeffb_pre: what size do the icons have to be? and do i need to mess with CSS? Jun 14 20:10:16 32 ? Jun 14 20:10:38 use the ones in the SDK images dir & modify as needed Jun 14 20:11:07 & css is needed Jun 14 20:11:28 haeffb_pre: do you have a code sample of the css needed? Jun 14 20:13:07 .cmd-icon-up { background-image: url(../images/menu-icon-up.png); } Jun 14 20:14:43 thanks swisstomcat Jun 14 20:20:15 what is the option in command menu setup to make menu look like app cat style? Jun 14 20:20:27 draw 1-1 Jun 14 20:22:16 LoneStar99: I can help later tonight... Jun 14 20:23:28 ok thanks haeffb_pre Jun 14 20:23:36 oh yeah u are on your pre Jun 14 20:23:44 dumb me Jun 14 20:31:41 haeffb_pre: for the round command menu buttons you are right 3zpx-32px" Jun 14 20:42:12 anyone got metrix to work? Jun 14 20:42:25 i cant claim any of my apps that ive got metrix 'installed' on Jun 14 20:48:02 weird thing happened today Jun 14 20:48:10 i turned the phone on, and it said 4:00 Jun 14 20:48:15 then it said 3:59 Jun 14 20:48:20 then it said 4:00 Jun 14 20:48:33 i was like.. wtf was that Jun 14 20:48:52 it's just a jump to the left Jun 14 20:59:35 And then a step to the right Jun 14 20:59:51 dawm: my guess... time got adjusted from atomic clock after you looked at it... then went forward a minute :) Jun 14 21:00:12 it shouldnt do that Jun 14 21:00:36 also.. they really need to throw a wrench icon or soemthing in the header bar letting me know im in devmode.. Jun 14 21:00:43 for the past month ive been in devmode.. Jun 14 21:00:50 all this time my backups arent being backed up Jun 14 21:00:55 ooh, thats a good idea Jun 14 21:01:02 YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!! BARELY made it into the top free apps! Jun 14 21:01:04 that can be done with a patch, i believe Jun 14 21:01:07 dawm: holy crap, I didn't know that Jun 14 21:01:20 yeah backups dont get sent if its in devmode Jun 14 21:01:32 HattCzech_work: grats! Jun 14 21:01:35 backups for what don't get sent when in devmode? Jun 14 21:01:41 the phone Jun 14 21:01:45 the palm profile backups Jun 14 21:01:46 thanks, sugardave Jun 14 21:01:49 hmmm Jun 14 21:01:54 so mine hasn't been updated since... Jun 14 21:02:01 the first day i got the phone? Jun 14 21:02:13 nah, new webOS version install Jun 14 21:02:19 yah Jun 14 21:02:23 or a manual backup Jun 14 21:02:29 ahhh, interesting Jun 14 21:02:31 it just wont auto backup daily if in dev mode Jun 14 21:02:34 i don't really use it anyway Jun 14 21:02:41 google contacts works better :) Jun 14 21:03:00 yeah i use google contacts Jun 14 21:03:14 but if i replace my phone i dont want to have to setup all the accts again :P Jun 14 21:03:59 what do you mean? Jun 14 21:04:07 add 1 google account... bam! all contacts Jun 14 21:04:17 say my phone got br0ked Jun 14 21:04:20 i take it in and get a new one Jun 14 21:04:36 load up my palm profile and all my accts are instantly readded, and apps i had from the catalog redownloaded Jun 14 21:04:47 without me doing anything but putting in my palm profile login info Jun 14 21:04:56 hmm, okay Jun 14 21:05:08 i started deleting all of my contacts in the palm profile Jun 14 21:05:29 HebrewzHammer: don't forget to put your hands on your hips Jun 14 21:05:32 the palm profile isnt just the palm profile contact Jun 14 21:05:36 +s Jun 14 21:05:45 i know Jun 14 21:06:03 but the contacts i have in there are out of date, so i update the info with proper info from google Jun 14 21:06:14 oooh Jun 14 21:06:20 i thought you were making a scenerio Jun 14 21:06:48 nah, just my situation Jun 14 21:06:55 the apps make it nice Jun 14 21:07:02 unless you're trying to do a clean install Jun 14 21:07:16 then all of the ones you downloaded start installing and you're like NOOO!!! Jun 14 21:07:41 but aside from that, i don't have too much use for the palm profile Jun 14 21:08:53 you may think that, but im sure you have your phone tweaked (aside from patches/homebrew) to your liking which is far from what it was out of the box Jun 14 21:09:11 preferences and etc Jun 14 21:13:22 sugardave: You bring your knees in tight Jun 14 21:14:04 Pfft, hardly any international sales for Match 'Em... What's up with that? Jun 14 21:16:13 dawm: surprisingly, not too much Jun 14 21:16:17 patches, yeah Jun 14 21:16:38 so i need to get preware on there and update those as quickly as possible when i doctor :) Jun 14 21:19:07 roy-pre101: that's what i heard from other users as well :( Jun 14 21:19:33 bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (deep breath) BZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz (greetings from the vuvuzela) Jun 14 21:19:42 lepetata! Jun 14 21:20:16 wth is vuvuzela? Jun 14 21:20:36 look it up on youtube Jun 14 21:21:26 But it's the pelvic thrust Jun 14 21:24:18 Now I know what a vuvuzela is. Jun 14 21:25:04 swisstomcat: you know how to align the command menu in the center? Jun 14 21:26:19 roy-pre101: apparently it's the most annoying thing of the world cup Jun 14 21:26:23 lonestar: not yet Jun 14 21:26:50 yeah trying to figure it out also Jun 14 21:27:02 even used inscpector, but still can't figure it out Jun 14 21:28:10
? :) Jun 14 21:29:14 not sure... Jun 14 21:29:20 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3525&start=0 Jun 14 21:30:48 Time to add something to webos101.com I think! Jun 14 21:31:06 swisstomcat: .palm-menu-group {} Jun 14 21:31:15 i knew you were going to say that, roy-pre101 :) Jun 14 21:31:46 Yeah, I've been quiet for a couple weeks now so I needed to get started again. Jun 14 21:31:48 lonestar Jun 14 21:31:52 its sooooper easy Jun 14 21:32:43 swisstomcat, LoneStar99: still trying to align command menus? Jun 14 21:32:57 lonestar is Jun 14 21:33:06 Roy-Pre101: I will write it up in the snipplets Jun 14 21:33:08 items: [ {}, { yourstuff }, {} ] Jun 14 21:33:12 yup Jun 14 21:33:22 just how dawm described it Jun 14 21:33:29 it's kinda stupid, but that works Jun 14 21:33:40 it automatically trys to fill the width Jun 14 21:33:47 so you make it think it has neighbors Jun 14 21:33:54 what's more fun is that items SLIGHTLY shift when you update them sometimes Jun 14 21:34:04 dawm: thanks noticed it can also be done with css ".palm-menu-group {margin-left:20px}" Jun 14 21:34:19 lone will that work in landscape? :P Jun 14 21:34:34 goodnight everyone Jun 14 21:34:37 (in my case, i wanted an item in the middle and on the right... so i had {}, {}, {item1}, {}, {item2} Jun 14 21:34:40 GN swisstomcat Jun 14 21:34:42 night Jun 14 21:34:53 i stole the {},{mystuff},{} from one of the palm apps way way back Jun 14 21:34:56 HattCzech_work: ok got it Jun 14 21:34:57 thanks Jun 14 21:34:59 wtf.. Jun 14 21:35:08 why aint live meeting doing anything.. its supposed to isntall Jun 14 21:36:11 That really drives them insane Jun 14 21:40:12 what.. Jun 14 21:40:31 new xbox360.. with wifi.. omg i feel so behind.. Jun 14 21:47:59 Let's do the time warp again! Jun 14 21:48:13 oh man.. Jun 14 21:48:18 new xbox360 looks soo nize Jun 14 21:48:43 wifiN, 250gb (removable), hdmi, optical audio.. and its quiet.. Jun 14 21:49:55 red ring still there? :) Jun 14 21:50:04 maybe Jun 14 21:50:20 but i'd have a new warranty.. already used my warranty up on my pre Elite sytem.. Jun 14 21:50:24 that sounds like a PS3.... Jun 14 21:50:35 i want to hear about the new PS3s :) Jun 14 21:50:38 bought it 2months before the Elite came out.. and before the price drop Jun 14 21:50:49 so 20gb hdd, no hdmi Jun 14 21:50:53 ouch Jun 14 21:51:22 and ive got a hdmi port just begging to be used :P Jun 14 21:51:24 * sugardave is still rockin' his original 60GB launch PS3. "Albeit with 1/2 TB HDD now." Jun 14 21:51:36 i bought one of the PS3 slims Jun 14 21:51:42 does it overheat? Jun 14 21:51:45 needed a Bluray player for when i got a larger tv Jun 14 21:51:51 the ps3 slim? nope Jun 14 21:52:00 xbox makes more heat Jun 14 21:52:09 I'm thinking about getting one for a blu-ray player and so I don't have to move imperator when someone wants to watch tv and I want to play Jun 14 21:52:51 cool, that's good to know Jun 14 21:53:41 i wanted a slim PS3, but it didn't have wireless-n Jun 14 21:53:41 stupid dev portal!! Jun 14 21:53:43 so i passed Jun 14 21:54:12 my PS3 doesn't have it either...I only have G at the house anyway and a 15Mbps pipe, so it doesn't matter Jun 14 21:54:19 it does have 1 GB wired Jun 14 21:55:33 ugh Jun 14 21:55:52 trying to update my beta app so its in the feed so i can try out metrix.. but damn portal aint working right.. Jun 14 21:58:19 Is metrix pretty light? Jun 14 21:59:28 yeh Jun 14 21:59:51 ive got my own analytics going on in my apps but id rather let someone else do all the work for me :P Jun 14 22:00:06 since i dont feel like making a proper front end to manage the data Jun 14 22:00:25 metrix huh? Jun 14 22:00:27 hmmm Jun 14 22:00:33 link? Jun 14 22:00:42 metrix.webosroundup.com Jun 14 22:00:43 http://metrix.webosroundup.com Jun 14 22:00:51 thanks Jun 14 22:01:22 I'd add it but my app is already data intensive.. Jun 14 22:02:00 ahh, thanks Jun 14 22:02:13 will metrix be free? Jun 14 22:02:24 i like the bulletins and expire features (which i plan to use) Jun 14 22:02:29 looks like it plans to be free Jun 14 22:02:31 its free now Jun 14 22:02:32 it sounds like a query for info from the device like i'm doing to check for ads Jun 14 22:02:44 yeah Jun 14 22:02:49 its nduid, and DeviceInfo dump Jun 14 22:03:10 one part of me is like :D and the other part is like D: Jun 14 22:03:41 so they host all of the info? Jun 14 22:03:50 cuz i'm doing that right now with my home server Jun 14 22:04:00 HattCzech_work, yes Jun 14 22:04:23 hmmm Jun 14 22:04:51 2839 people have used version 1.0.3 of my app Jun 14 22:05:11 and i can probably do all sorts of other info Jun 14 22:05:22 if only the geolocation info worked better Jun 14 22:05:27 count installs, re-installs, launches, etc. Jun 14 22:05:47 that would be useful Jun 14 22:05:59 that's what mine can do :D Jun 14 22:06:11 there's looks better, though Jun 14 22:06:16 theirs Jun 14 22:06:18 sheesh Jun 14 22:06:42 well when you have more than one person working on it, you can usually do a bit more :) Jun 14 22:07:01 yeah, sucks for me :D Jun 14 22:07:12 want to team up? :) Jun 14 22:07:31 "when our powers combine"... Jun 14 22:07:36 haha Jun 14 22:07:54 I would if I could carve out some time to actually work on it Jun 14 22:08:08 okay, good, we're on the same page Jun 14 22:08:11 hell, your in my town aren't you? Jun 14 22:08:16 carving time = go to bed at 3am Jun 14 22:08:20 yep Jun 14 22:08:23 indeed, which is why i mentioned it Jun 14 22:08:37 (that's what i did all of last week) Jun 14 22:08:41 i'm very tired Jun 14 22:09:09 on the plus side, i can hopefully get $1k out of it Jun 14 22:09:38 and if i had time to write a luna service, i might make it to the $10k mark Jun 14 22:09:51 but that's a lot more complicated than i wanted it to be Jun 14 22:10:21 which part of town do you live in, sugardave? Jun 14 22:10:41 far east....I'm on the road to Weberville a little bit north and east of the airport Jun 14 22:10:59 technically outside the city limits in Del Valle Jun 14 22:12:02 ugh Jun 14 22:12:05 i hate you dev portal Jun 14 22:12:13 ahhh, i'm also east, but off 290 going towards manor Jun 14 22:12:31 still in the city, but apparently in manor isd Jun 14 22:12:35 you're not very far...catch 973 south from 290 and you end up about 2 miles from here Jun 14 22:13:13 excellent... step 1) join forces... step 2) ???... step 3) profit! Jun 14 22:13:20 brilliant! Jun 14 22:14:18 problem with metrix is that it would need to be bundled with the initial version of the app Jun 14 22:14:38 otherwise the info is obscured, like mine :) Jun 14 22:15:06 that's an issue with mine, too....doesn't give good data on a later version add....not sure how to combat that, really Jun 14 22:17:46 HattCzech_work, thats the only thing that sucks but some data is better than no data Jun 14 22:18:19 true Jun 14 22:18:33 but Jun 14 22:18:41 i plan to add more to mine later... but that's when i have time :) Jun 14 22:18:44 as long as the user didnt install and then uninstall Jun 14 22:18:56 you eventually will get their data, just not the true install date Jun 14 22:19:22 mine stores the install timestamp and just records the number of launches Jun 14 22:19:26 so each user gets 1 row Jun 14 22:19:36 nwo tahts v2 of mine :P Jun 14 22:19:50 v1 wasnt so clean, and its a row for each launch :P Jun 14 22:19:57 I remember ;) Jun 14 22:20:05 it still works Jun 14 22:20:07 but its a mess Jun 14 22:20:30 and in the case of metrix or any system open to more than one dev, the tables will get HUGE Jun 14 22:20:41 yeah Jun 14 22:21:12 the data from v2 (which stores more information) has already passed the db size of v1 Jun 14 22:21:19 and theers only 1 app in v1 and 1 app in v2 Jun 14 22:21:56 (more info) 8,337 records vs 33,126 records Jun 14 22:22:18 i can imagine on a larger scale.. with more apps the db's gonna be large Jun 14 22:23:06 its been a little over a month and my db is already 5mb from 1 app w/ 9060 Downloads* Jun 14 22:23:49 43360 launches on Sprint, 3596 on ROW, 1047 on Bell, 11516 on VZW, 287 on ATT Jun 14 22:24:04 er no 26913 for sprint Jun 14 22:24:07 mine is a row for each launch Jun 14 22:24:10 43k total Jun 14 22:24:27 right now i have 4762 launches Jun 14 22:24:53 if mine was still row per launch, is be at 43360 rows instead of 8338 Jun 14 22:24:55 hmmm, carrier would be good info Jun 14 22:25:29 HattCzech_work, dont forget device Jun 14 22:25:35 true Jun 14 22:25:40 and versions Jun 14 22:25:54 i know how many pre vs pixi users there are on sprint using my app Jun 14 22:25:59 but mine was for ad removal, so i just wanted deviceId for now Jun 14 22:26:14 ahh Jun 14 22:26:29 so yah dev portal is br0ked.. will have to wait to play with metrix another day Jun 14 22:26:39 * sugardave was also working on a system to let devs switch between ad network providers "on the fly" without re-spinning apps Jun 14 22:26:47 i'm wondering if i should join... :/ Jun 14 22:26:58 HattCzech_work, its free :P Jun 14 22:27:12 true, but that also gives them access to my app data :) Jun 14 22:27:22 bah.. its just numbers :P Jun 14 22:27:24 which i need to figure out if i trust them Jun 14 22:27:27 HattCzech_work: check them out, note what you don't like/what's missing...then we can work on something better later Jun 14 22:27:29 hehehe Jun 14 22:27:31 :D Jun 14 22:27:48 hahaahah, nice Jun 14 22:27:59 i just need to get away from using my NAS as a server ;) Jun 14 22:28:19 im gonna go play some illegal wow Jun 14 22:28:23 ttyl Jun 14 22:28:29 but it had php/mysql and ran linux, so i used it Jun 14 22:28:33 adios Jun 14 22:42:08 just got my new pre! Jun 14 22:42:21 it comes in a different box than any I've seen Jun 14 22:43:04 it's got yellow sprint logos on the side and the pre in the picture has a picture of a lake Jun 14 22:44:41 torchie: great! Jun 14 22:44:51 is that like a reissue or something? Jun 14 22:45:08 * sugardave submits his proposal. Jun 14 22:45:15 anybody in here use elance or the like? Jun 14 22:49:24 no idea what elance is Jun 14 22:49:42 electronic lance of some sort? to virtually poke people? Jun 14 22:50:25 heh, no that would be awesome, though Jun 14 22:50:45 it's a freelancer site where you can take skills tests as a provider or post projects as a buyer Jun 14 22:51:15 ohhh, i just did something like that Jun 14 22:51:27 took two tests on a site called "proveit" Jun 14 22:51:41 so that some recruiter could submit me to a company Jun 14 23:12:13 hey, anyone interested in some webos job ? Jun 14 23:12:31 depends on what it is :) Jun 14 23:12:38 and how much time it'll take Jun 14 23:12:48 and how much i can make :) Jun 14 23:12:55 hey guys, whats a good way to promote good apps? Jun 14 23:13:09 it just seems the longer i spend on making an app, the less downloads i have Jun 14 23:13:11 have a look: http://www.crunchboard.com/opening/detailjob.php?jid=8254&BXID=593d8cfe7389325f182364833612dbe6Na Jun 14 23:13:13 facebook? :/ Jun 14 23:13:17 :) Jun 14 23:13:26 HattCzech_work, been doing that, i only have 300 friends tho Jun 14 23:13:42 my crappy apps are getting 1000 downloads a day Jun 14 23:13:43 seems like to be so rare I wanted to share it here :) Jun 14 23:13:46 while my good apps barely get 100 Jun 14 23:14:00 one thing i did it linking crappy app to good apps, but that doesnt help that much Jun 14 23:14:10 my only app got around 1500 downloads in 1+week Jun 14 23:14:17 that's through the web channel Jun 14 23:14:23 =_= Jun 14 23:14:35 i get that with stuff like tiger wood's mistresses within hours Jun 14 23:14:53 Nyceane: i'm not sure if there's much you can do... the good apps get overlooked by the lame ones :) sadly Jun 14 23:15:03 i really don't know how to promote good apps, i m getting so use to apps getting adoption like no other Jun 14 23:15:21 yah, but i was very consistant at getting crappy apps out Jun 14 23:15:24 warpdesign_: too bad i'm not in the bay area Jun 14 23:15:43 Nyceane: so put ads in your crappy apps Jun 14 23:15:46 but they serve no purpose, so they are adopted widely Jun 14 23:15:47 HattCzech_work: ha, too bad Jun 14 23:16:14 then the useful ones get overlooked because a smaller portion of people use them Jun 14 23:16:28 the lame "oh, check this out" apps will do well Jun 14 23:18:34 2 examples in the top 20 free apps... emoticons and flashlight Jun 14 23:19:17 i did, i allocate 50% of my admob's ads to my own good apps Jun 14 23:20:20 do the admob ads actually help you with downloads? Jun 14 23:20:32 i'm just using them right now to generate a tiny amount of revenue Jun 14 23:20:36 hmm, not much Jun 14 23:20:40 CTR rate is pretty low Jun 14 23:20:49 yeah, mine's at like 2% Jun 14 23:20:54 and i dont really want to pay other apps for them to download my app Jun 14 23:21:05 do you host inhouse ads? Jun 14 23:21:06 and i figure if i want to promote my own apps, i can add it into my code Jun 14 23:21:16 i don't have any setup Jun 14 23:21:22 are they free? Jun 14 23:21:35 yah Jun 14 23:21:42 hmmm, i might start, then Jun 14 23:21:58 basically hosting your own ads Jun 14 23:22:27 so i just add one to house ads? Jun 14 23:22:41 yah, and turn house ads on Jun 14 23:22:59 well, when i get past 1 app, i will do that :) hehe Jun 14 23:25:06 wow.. already 1:30am here Jun 14 23:25:10 time to get some sleep Jun 14 23:25:13 good night Jun 14 23:25:53 HattCzech_work, why dont you release your app to app catalog? Jun 14 23:26:08 i use undocumented api Jun 14 23:26:13 HattCzech_work, you can put my app as your house ads =D this way whenever there is no ads it will show up my ads Jun 14 23:26:19 the one that i can release i have Jun 14 23:26:24 and just made it into top 221 Jun 14 23:26:47 wow, i have 3 apps in top 221 Jun 14 23:26:50 hahaha, you're already getting a few g's... there's no need for ME to give you more :) Jun 14 23:26:52 4th one is about to be there in no time Jun 14 23:27:02 no, i m talking about my good app =_ Jun 14 23:27:06 i know Jun 14 23:27:13 my good app only have 1600 downloads Jun 14 23:27:28 but if yours makes it in there and bumps mine out, i won't be too happy :) Jun 14 23:27:43 its not gona make it there in 2 weeks Jun 14 23:27:51 i need people to start using the system Jun 14 23:27:53 "pickup sports" Jun 14 23:27:57 mine's only been in there 3 Jun 14 23:28:25 i checked it out... but i don't play sports like that... my sports are scheduled Jun 14 23:29:27 this is pretty much scheduled =) Jun 14 23:33:44 heheh, well i joined a social club where it's a tournament-style set of games Jun 14 23:33:51 softball and volleyball Jun 14 23:34:15 you need more than a few people for those (well, softball at least) Jun 14 23:43:50 well, i'm off... adios Jun 14 23:45:06 adios =) Jun 14 23:48:51 it'd be funny if someone gave 'featured apps' one star and said it didn't download. i'm too chicken to do it though. Jun 14 23:49:31 lol Jun 14 23:54:25 what if I review it as: Jun 14 23:54:43 0 star "Sucks, doesn't have iHate411 or Yalm in the featured apps" Jun 14 23:54:51 i'd be a genius right? Jun 14 23:55:29 haha Jun 14 23:55:44 boom! instantly featuring my own apps in the featured apps app Jun 14 23:56:32 er Jun 14 23:56:33 hm Jun 14 23:56:38 actually, I should be in there Jun 14 23:56:45 under the "social apps" category Jun 14 23:56:50 wonder how I can contact them about this Jun 14 23:56:58 Yalm is the first Yammer client for WebOS Jun 14 23:57:13 (yammer == professional twitter) Jun 15 00:43:43 LoneStar99: still working on command menus? Jun 15 00:51:12 Wow. Samsung Galaxy S with a slide out keyboard and 4G coming to Sprint Jun 15 00:53:07 With a 4 inch amoled screen Jun 15 00:56:24 Samsung Galaxy S Physical Keyboard 4G more like "good thing I haven't bought an evo yet" Jun 15 00:56:53 Yes. I have an EVO, but didn't have to pay for it. But, this is something I'll definitely be grabbing. Jun 15 00:57:32 http://androidcommunity.com/exclusive-more-pictures-of-the-galaxy-s-pro-20100614/ Pictures Jun 15 00:58:14 On testing, the standard Samsung Galaxy S got 7 hours of video playback. Jun 15 00:59:17 Hopefully they don't throw on that $10 fee as well Jun 15 00:59:40 is it android? Jun 15 00:59:47 Yes Jun 15 00:59:48 ah yeah 2.1 Jun 15 00:59:52 damn nice Jun 15 01:01:48 Evo just has a ridiculously large screen Jun 15 01:01:58 It's not that bad Jun 15 01:02:00 I like my phones to go in my pocket Jun 15 01:02:01 It's pocketable. Jun 15 01:02:04 meh Jun 15 01:02:19 my Pre is pocketable Jun 15 01:02:24 iphones are borderline IMO Jun 15 01:02:31 so Evo is man-purse material for me Jun 15 01:03:09 The Samsung is bigger than the Iphone Jun 15 01:05:38 7:25 of straight video Jun 15 01:06:49 Oh, and a front facing camera as well Jun 15 01:09:17 haeffb: think I got the command menu issue sorted out, hopefully be able to push out the new update sometime tonight Jun 15 01:39:14 oh man i just realized i submitted an app to the web distribution channel without turning off logging. Jun 15 01:41:03 meh Jun 15 01:41:57 yeah, it's open source anyway. Jun 15 01:42:19 dpivs: device doesn't log warning or info unless they specifically turn it on. Jun 15 01:44:12 ah, ok, thanks haeffb that's good then. either way i guess. just one of those things that'll probably end up bothering me more then any user, haha. Jun 15 01:50:15 rwhitby: Nice work on the memory stuff. Jun 15 01:54:05 E3 yelled at me for my flip flops.... Jun 15 02:01:09 Roy-Pre101: not fully there yet, but compcache modules are now compiled for uber and I'm working on getting govnah to be able to enable and disable them Jun 15 02:02:14 Roy-Pre101: there's still a missing piece of the puzzle regarding the lowmemnotify stuff which I don't understand yet. We have a patch which turns it off completely, but I'd actually like Uber to still do a TMC error before your kernel crashes from running out of memory *and* swap Jun 15 02:06:23 rwhitby: Yes, that would be polite. Jun 15 02:09:28 good evening Jun 15 02:09:43 hi BigBiff Jun 15 02:20:48 hmm, decided to actually tweak some code this evening Jun 15 02:20:52 bad idea Jun 15 02:21:19 haeffb: help with filterList? Jun 15 02:29:57 nvmd Jun 15 02:30:03 not a filterList issue Jun 15 02:30:15 ok Jun 15 02:30:17 well - i figured out the flissue Jun 15 02:30:48 when deleting an item without swiping, and utilizing array.splice, this.controller.modelChanged has to be called Jun 15 02:31:21 sql Jun 15 02:31:37 REPLACE INTO - i thought this would prevent duplicate entries Jun 15 02:32:47 if your table has a primary key Jun 15 02:34:45 i see Jun 15 02:34:47 NOT NULL Jun 15 02:34:49 yes? Jun 15 02:35:12 var sqlCreateFoldersTable = "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS 'folders' " + Jun 15 02:35:12 "(id INTEGER, label TEXT, privy INTEGER, archived INTEGER, " + Jun 15 02:35:12 "sortorder INTEGER, modified INTEGER, value INTEGER PRIMARY KEY); GO;"; Jun 15 02:35:27 value is my primary key. Jun 15 02:35:52 if I REPLACE INTO this table with a record with a value that is already in the table, that record will be updated Jun 15 02:36:07 if the value doesn't already exist, a new record is created Jun 15 02:36:33 thx - i'll add it Jun 15 02:40:40 heh - i forgot that original table is still on emu after upgrade Jun 15 02:40:48 must delete it first **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 02:59:57 2010