**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 02:59:57 2010 Jun 15 03:08:41 wow Komodo just crash, first time ever... Jun 15 03:08:54 crashed Jun 15 03:09:04 dununununununununun BATMAN Jun 15 03:15:24 dang, still no secret area Jun 15 03:15:34 ? Jun 15 03:16:10 *shrug* Jun 15 03:42:58 evening, all Jun 15 03:49:40 eving HattCzech Jun 15 04:51:55 very silent here tonight Jun 15 04:58:47 indeed Jun 15 05:02:13 taking a break from coding, till tommorrow, will release app update tommorrow Jun 15 05:05:23 HattCzech: you in austin? Jun 15 05:05:33 i am Jun 15 05:05:59 *oh no, they're on to me!* Jun 15 05:06:06 why do you ask? Jun 15 05:09:18 earlier saw a thread with u and sugardave about 290 etc... went to college at st.edwards Jun 15 05:11:39 290 the interstate Jun 15 05:12:35 if you are the wikileaks dude, the pentagon is looking for you =) Jun 15 06:04:43 anyone else in socal tonight? Jun 15 06:04:51 some good quakes down by san diego Jun 15 06:05:05 i felt one of them all the way up here in LA Jun 15 06:07:16 really what are the numbers by San Diego? Jun 15 06:16:48 LoneStar99: 5.9 Jun 15 06:16:57 and about 10 aftershocks between 3-4 Jun 15 06:19:12 wow Jun 15 06:19:30 miss san diego already Jun 15 06:25:33 pandora: the weirdest sound i have heard was in SD, and it turns out to be an earthquake Jun 15 06:27:52 hehe Jun 15 06:30:54 it sounded like the most electrical power ever coming as a wave Jun 15 06:34:17 hard to explain, but stocked about the next release of my app Jun 15 08:03:33 hi all Jun 15 08:06:31 is there a way to user alternative online calendars ? Jun 15 08:39:54 anybody still awake? Jun 15 10:27:46 morn'n warpdesign__ Jun 15 10:29:58 hey Bmyers Jun 15 10:31:47 guess its not morning there Jun 15 10:36:07 it is, indeed ;) Jun 15 10:39:46 is there any1 working on allowing caldav calendars in webos ? Jun 15 10:43:32 what's up Bmyers ? Jun 15 10:43:51 still working on my FR version. Jun 15 10:43:58 thanks for your help yesterday Jun 15 10:44:17 no problem :) Jun 15 10:44:44 i had a few other issues with the app so i was cleaning that up b4 sending you a copy Jun 15 10:46:26 what r u up to warpdesign__ Jun 15 10:57:30 Bmyers, you are translating webos ? Jun 15 10:57:44 an app yes Jun 15 10:58:16 ah, not the whole OS :) Jun 15 10:59:22 not much Bmyers Jun 15 10:59:48 Simpson_2: no. holding off on that one for the moment Jun 15 11:00:05 warpdesign__ : working I guess? Jun 15 11:00:39 Bmyers, yep Jun 15 11:01:05 what is your day job? Jun 15 11:15:14 working on websites Jun 15 11:15:19 I'm a contractor Jun 15 11:15:28 right now I improve/fix Sfr's websites Jun 15 11:27:02 Sfr's? Jun 15 11:28:38 yes Jun 15 11:28:43 french mobile phone carrier Jun 15 11:29:03 much like orange Jun 15 11:29:33 Is it worth the trubble to translate the app to french and spanish? Jun 15 11:31:08 what kind of app ? Jun 15 11:31:29 we have no information about sales figures in europe, but it could be interesting anyway Jun 15 11:37:23 Yer. Because i have one app that is english only and it has only minimal in spain and franch. So i wonder it is how it is or if it is not translated? Jun 15 12:01:53 Hi there Jun 15 12:02:12 hi amiroo Jun 15 12:03:16 the soccer match is not that exciting, so i thought you guys have an idea how to pass parameters to webservice in ares Jun 15 12:13:08 everyones watching soccer, ha? Jun 15 12:16:03 <-- at work Jun 15 12:22:32 soccer what ? Jun 15 12:22:44 world cup Jun 15 12:23:17 boring game anyway Jun 15 12:32:38 Anyone here with experiences on ajax web service in ares? Jun 15 12:32:42 having this problem Jun 15 12:32:43 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=7623 Jun 15 13:51:11 morning, all Jun 15 13:52:16 morn Jun 15 15:49:14 morning all Jun 15 15:51:59 morning Jun 15 15:52:52 the ONE day I needed the netbook someone else takes it.... Jun 15 15:56:11 morning Jun 15 15:57:12 sweeet… got valve and logitech today Jun 15 15:57:46 I _may_ have won this contract Jun 15 16:12:47 maik: ping Jun 15 16:13:29 stupid paypal Jun 15 16:13:44 yes, PayPal is stupid Jun 15 16:13:55 but a necessary stupid, I'm afraid Jun 15 16:19:21 What you say about PayPal, how dare you... sugardave Jun 15 16:19:54 E3 videos: http://qik.com/video/7733486 Jun 15 16:20:00 Yes, I am the crazy person Jun 15 16:20:59 halfhalo: i guess you don't have the handle "halfhalo" for nothing Jun 15 16:21:27 yup Jun 15 16:22:09 do all the videos on the phone automatically have those sprint watermarks? Jun 15 17:00:17 would the PDK be sufficient enough to create a QRcode reader ? Jun 15 17:04:15 I believe the camera API that is coming out in the fall is required for a bardcode/QRcode reader to work. I know there's a QRcode reader now but it is really buggy and almost never works for me. Jun 15 17:11:55 HebrewzHammer: camera API? where'd you read about that? Jun 15 17:12:41 Tman: http://www.precentral.net/webos-get-mic-camera-api-faster-services-plenty-more-fall Jun 15 17:13:33 HebrewzHammer: sweet thanks Jun 15 17:24:22 sugardave: pong Jun 15 17:24:33 hey! Jun 15 17:24:43 are you supermaik on elance? Jun 15 17:24:53 yes... Jun 15 17:25:00 how'd you know? :D Jun 15 17:25:04 HAHA Jun 15 17:25:15 we were invited to the same project Jun 15 17:25:27 just getting to know my competitors ;) Jun 15 17:25:33 elance? how does that compare to RAC? Jun 15 17:25:44 I don't know what RAC is :D Jun 15 17:25:47 oh nice. i keep thinking i should put in a bid but i've been so busy lately with buying a house, etc Jun 15 17:26:08 rentacoder :p Jun 15 17:26:08 maik: ah, I was wondering....I'm the only one at the moment, so I would suggest you blow it off ;) Jun 15 17:26:17 ok, you convinced me Jun 15 17:26:21 hehe Jun 15 17:26:32 what did you bid, out of curiousity Jun 15 17:26:48 Hey friends. Quick question. How do I know the country of a phone? Jun 15 17:26:55 Tman: I haven't ever successfully won a contract yet with elance, though I've only submitted proposals for 2 Jun 15 17:27:07 maik: I'll tell you when he's accepted my proposal :D Jun 15 17:27:12 heh, ok Jun 15 17:27:38 Tman: and obviously I've never used RAC Jun 15 17:27:58 I am pulling from the app catalog RSS, and I am looking at the locale right now, but is there a better way? Jun 15 17:28:12 ask the employer some questions first and get a professional conversation going before you bid.. works great ;) Jun 15 17:28:35 Tman: absolutely, seems to be working well with this one...he just hasn't hit the button yet :P Jun 15 17:28:51 but he has sent me most of the stuff I told him I would need before I could start Jun 15 17:29:14 cool, sounds like you got it then Jun 15 17:29:24 yeah, hope so Jun 15 17:30:10 lyht: unkown Jun 15 17:30:21 somebody should set up a service that maps carriers to countries Jun 15 17:30:27 carrier strings Jun 15 17:31:21 Guess I can go see how app scoop is doing it Jun 15 17:33:39 afternon Jun 15 17:33:46 non? Jun 15 17:33:53 noon Jun 15 17:54:10 Anyone know what this error means? Uncaught Error: require Failed: unbalanced call to PerfTimer pause/resume 'scene#assistantSetup', palmInitFramework338:10583 Jun 15 18:01:55 halodrio Jun 15 18:17:04 brazil or n.korea Jun 15 18:17:09 3-0 brazil Jun 15 18:19:11 evening Jun 15 18:21:40 yop Jun 15 18:22:05 yo Jun 15 18:22:45 Hum y'a des gens qui parlent français ? Jun 15 18:22:50 (l'espoir fait vivre) Jun 15 18:22:53 warpdesign Jun 15 18:23:11 hallo swisstomcat Jun 15 18:23:17 lo lonestar Jun 15 18:23:22 ping warpdesign_ Jun 15 18:23:31 Jmenbalek: je suis maik! Jun 15 18:23:35 that's about all the french i know :( Jun 15 18:23:35 i have a little problem with meta doctor , people for help me ? Jun 15 18:23:44 maik ? Jun 15 18:23:47 warpdesign speak french/is from france Jun 15 18:23:52 ah xD Jun 15 18:23:55 I'm having troubles registering an app at developer.palm.com Jun 15 18:23:58 thank's man Jun 15 18:23:58 Jmenbalek: swisstomcat parles francais Jun 15 18:24:09 jmenbalek: #webos-internals would be the correct channel for the meta doctor Jun 15 18:24:16 no, i don't speak french :) Jun 15 18:24:18 pon swisstomcat Jun 15 18:24:27 ok , en bonus on s'fou d'ma gueule :-) Jun 15 18:24:41 warpdesign: meet jmenbalek Jun 15 18:24:43 swisstomcat: german? Jun 15 18:24:49 lonestar: yeah Jun 15 18:24:53 Jmenbalek: hey, how do you spell the sound the a cow makes? Jun 15 18:24:57 ok got confused Jun 15 18:25:03 np Jun 15 18:25:10 la vanche Jun 15 18:25:15 Palm app registration problem: I finish the process, click on submit, but get an HTTP 500 message. I try again, but get a message that app is already uploaded. I delete app, try again, and get HTTP 500 message again at end of process. Jun 15 18:25:16 la vache qui rit Jun 15 18:25:18 Any ideas? Jun 15 18:25:47 wla2000: contact chuqui Jun 15 18:25:47 wla2000: i've heard of app submission problems in the developer forum Jun 15 18:25:47 Die Kuh lacht Jun 15 18:25:50 wla2000: 500 is a problem on their end. i'm not sure you can do much to fix it Jun 15 18:26:30 wla2000: go to the developer.palm.com forum or write to pdc@palm.com .. let me find the thread Jun 15 18:26:37 Got the problem yesterday evening and this morning. So you think everybody is experiencing this and webOS app submissions have cme to a halt? Jun 15 18:26:50 wla2000 app submission is kinda borked right now. There's a status thread here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=32991#p32991 Jun 15 18:27:04 there you go Jun 15 18:27:06 Ok thank you I'll look there Jun 15 18:27:08 maik , joke ? Jun 15 18:27:09 engineering's working on it, I'll update that thread as I find out new info. Jun 15 18:27:32 Jmenbalek: no. that we we spell it is moo. i asked a native french speaker how he spells it once and it was funny, i wanted to verify with you Jun 15 18:27:35 I don't recommend people try to submit apps right now. The interface to paypal is Not Happy. Jun 15 18:28:06 How can we cheer up the interface? Jun 15 18:28:17 pay more? Jun 15 18:28:17 telling bad jokes? Jun 15 18:28:56 Never really understand the up and downs of AdMob... Jun 15 18:29:05 xD Jun 15 18:29:14 http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg Jun 15 18:29:45 Ok - I just looked at the thread. I'm sharp enough to create a little Palm app but not sharp enough to look at the developer forum. Jun 15 18:30:02 that's why you came here :) Jun 15 18:30:15 which was a sharp move Jun 15 18:30:18 Took me all morning to figure out how to get in here! Jun 15 18:30:35 I haven't used IRC in a very long time. Jun 15 18:30:51 the nickserv registration is kind of bad Jun 15 18:31:09 Now that I've mastered that process, will I ever use it again? Jun 15 18:31:24 yes Jun 15 18:31:48 this channel is a good source of information Jun 15 18:32:24 Yes it did work for me this time, so I'll probably try it again in future. Of course when I do that I won't need to re-do the nickserv registration process Jun 15 18:32:46 nope Jun 15 18:32:56 but you need to identify Jun 15 18:33:03 and I usually forget about it Jun 15 18:33:17 then I speak into the NIL-device Jun 15 18:33:18 Yes that will be a good gotcha when the time comes Jun 15 18:33:32 You have one of those too? Jun 15 18:33:46 /dev/null Jun 15 18:33:46 Except mine's the bit-bucket Jun 15 18:34:01 Next to the spitoon Jun 15 18:34:11 the PDK sample app always crashes here on VS2008 Jun 15 18:39:58 How can I check if I have OpenGL 2.0 support in my gfx driver? Jun 15 18:40:59 is there a test program for opengl? Jun 15 18:41:49 MetaView: which ups and downs were you referring to with admob? Jun 15 18:43:24 this time: requests went down from 10k to 2k other times it usually was the eCPM Jun 15 18:44:51 ahhh, i'm just irritated about the fill rate Jun 15 18:45:10 it was like 95% the first week i used it... now i'm lucky to get 45% Jun 15 18:45:22 I'm still at over 90% Jun 15 18:45:51 LUCKY! GOSH! Jun 15 18:46:07 HM Jun 15 18:46:15 i wonder how i could get mine to increase? :/ Jun 15 18:46:21 no clue Jun 15 18:46:35 but I also have internal ads activated Jun 15 18:47:02 ahhh... hmmm Jun 15 18:47:24 i only have one app... so that's not useful for me yet Jun 15 18:47:45 germany ~92% Jun 15 18:48:15 us ~46% Jun 15 18:48:28 and actually I have 2 apps/websites Jun 15 18:48:41 one is active, I use this code for all my apps with ads Jun 15 18:48:50 and one which isn't allowed, somehow Jun 15 18:49:24 hmmm Jun 15 18:57:12 OpenGL 1.4 Jun 15 18:57:26 I need a new laptop just for PDK dev? Jun 15 18:58:49 !buy laptop with 4:3 non-glaring(?) display Jun 15 18:59:15 does it have an integrated graphics chip? Jun 15 18:59:19 or dedicated? Jun 15 19:07:44 MetaView: interested in a 16:9 15" matte display laptop? Jun 15 19:08:16 i've been trying to sell it since I got my macbook a few months ago Jun 15 19:08:22 was my primary development laptop Jun 15 19:17:57 Hi there Jun 15 19:18:09 hi Jun 15 19:18:22 Here is a nice half time questoin for you guys Jun 15 19:18:46 anyone an idea how to pass parameters to webService in Ares? Jun 15 19:20:23 hi Jun 15 19:20:36 hi Jun 15 19:20:51 you mean like get/post parameters? Jun 15 19:21:25 yeah. i want to pass the get parameters to it Jun 15 19:21:55 i can use static get parameters Jun 15 19:22:13 i have not used ajax for that but if you use ajax.request you just append the parameters to the url Jun 15 19:22:37 e.g new Ajax.Request('http://somewhere.com/bla.php?a=b&c=f' Jun 15 19:22:39 yeah but in ares the url is set in the settings area Jun 15 19:22:51 that does work Jun 15 19:23:08 but i want to change them dinamicly Jun 15 19:23:20 i'd suggest using Ajax.Request then Jun 15 19:23:24 here is what i try to do Jun 15 19:23:24 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=7623 Jun 15 19:23:29 but i have not used ares that much yet Jun 15 19:23:34 too bad Jun 15 19:23:51 yeah, i saw that post Jun 15 19:23:54 does the webserivce widget have a model? Jun 15 19:27:35 Ajax.Request? how does this work? do you have a link or something? Jun 15 19:27:48 moment Jun 15 19:27:49 normal httpRequest? Jun 15 19:28:00 Tibfib: did you ever get an answer about the PerfTimer question? Jun 15 19:28:33 I saw that if timing is enabled in framework_config AND I was using certain events from a WebView Jun 15 19:28:42 but I have no idea what cuased it Jun 15 19:28:49 I had to turn the shit off to make my code work, though Jun 15 19:29:10 amiroo: it's ajax.request from the prototype framework Jun 15 19:29:15 http://webos101.com/Getting_JSON_From_An_External_MySQL_Database Jun 15 19:29:18 here is one example Jun 15 19:29:21 scroll down Jun 15 19:29:33 thanx Jun 15 19:29:46 http://webos101.com/Accessing_Web_Services Jun 15 19:29:49 another one Jun 15 19:30:24 oh json results Jun 15 19:30:28 ok Jun 15 19:30:35 thank you. i try that Jun 15 19:37:15 * sugardave hits the forums for the first time in a while. "Damn leakers." Jun 15 19:38:25 leakers? Jun 15 19:39:38 leakers... Jun 15 19:39:56 apparently someone leaked NDA stuff Jun 15 19:39:59 but hey, what did he/they told? Jun 15 19:40:08 not sure Jun 15 19:40:13 nothing very new, or? Jun 15 19:40:22 haven't gone to precentral in a while, either Jun 15 19:40:37 no, I think it's probably what I saw mentioned in chat earlier, mic/camera API, etc. Jun 15 19:40:38 haven't read the article, only saw the headline Jun 15 19:40:49 it's the point more than the info Jun 15 19:40:55 oh, didn't even know this :D Jun 15 19:40:58 now we don't get to hear fun stuff anymore Jun 15 19:41:41 pandora--: I rather like 4:3 instead of 16:9 Jun 15 19:42:41 a lot of femals from ex-soviet union try to contact me over ICQ Jun 15 19:42:58 heh Jun 15 19:43:10 didn't remember I know so many Jun 15 19:57:15 oh cool let me just go ahead and run th... Segmentation Fault Jun 15 19:58:37 right on, I got the project Jun 15 19:58:56 now it's time to find out if I'm a real webOS developer or not ;) Jun 15 19:59:42 how does one find that out? Jun 15 20:00:33 well, hopefully by getting paid by the client and a "awesome!" response or something like that :D Jun 15 20:00:55 sugardave: congrats Jun 15 20:00:58 nice Jun 15 20:01:14 thanks! Jun 15 20:01:19 I can use the extra money, for sure Jun 15 20:08:10 great sugardave Jun 15 20:14:29 so i have this filter list eh Jun 15 20:14:46 i pass disabled:true in teh attributes Jun 15 20:14:52 but it still eating my back gestures Jun 15 20:15:10 as in, it wont pop the scene, it kind of pops back to itself Jun 15 20:15:34 wow n.korea just scored on brazil Jun 15 20:15:41 what!? Jun 15 20:15:44 whoa Jun 15 20:15:45 yeah Jun 15 20:15:53 awesome gol Jun 15 20:16:04 2:+ Jun 15 20:16:06 2:1 Jun 15 20:16:25 yeah Jun 15 20:16:39 brazil is up? Jun 15 20:16:45 yeah Jun 15 20:16:48 word Jun 15 20:22:04 codeslaw: my fliterlist doesn't eat back gestures Jun 15 20:22:27 =( Jun 15 20:23:41 i have some stuff messing with command events i might need to add something to check wether its disabled or not Jun 15 20:29:15 ping warpdesign_ Jun 15 20:44:08 yep swisstomcat Jun 15 20:44:34 can you have a look over in #webos-internals? Jun 15 20:45:04 g'night Jun 15 20:45:45 warpdesign_ some troubles with a SFR device Jun 15 20:46:17 hmm.. Jun 15 20:46:26 sure, but I'm afraid I won't be of much help ;) Jun 15 20:49:52 sugardave: so what was the project that you got? Jun 15 20:50:04 and is this step 1 in progress? Jun 15 21:11:20 goodnight everyone Jun 15 21:11:42 swisstomcat: night! Jun 15 21:16:52 which color would do you all like more "http://admin.work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/colors.png" left or right Jun 15 21:19:32 LoneStar99: password protected Jun 15 21:21:08 Tibfib: can you try again Jun 15 21:24:36 hmmm... idk. I think I like the grey better Jun 15 21:30:56 Tibfib: ok, thanks finalizing the update Jun 15 21:46:13 any has experience with Ajax.Request? Jun 15 21:46:18 yes. lots Jun 15 21:46:19 anyone Jun 15 21:46:22 cool Jun 15 21:46:26 sure Jun 15 21:46:34 acutllay i wanted to use ares webservice Jun 15 21:46:44 but i can't change the parameters dinamicly Jun 15 21:46:56 so i use ajax.request for the first time Jun 15 21:47:08 amiroo; i have ajax experience Jun 15 21:47:25 what u trying to do? Jun 15 21:47:26 cool. so many people ;-) Jun 15 21:47:43 so its my first try. i initialized the request params Jun 15 21:47:50 but don't know how to execute it Jun 15 21:48:00 http://www.slideshare.net/fpatton/marinacci-josh-intro-to-web-os-palm-dev-day page 48 Jun 15 21:48:07 hello Jun 15 21:48:42 I just bought a palm pixi. I'm wondering if I can delete multiple / all emails at once after reading the necessary ones Jun 15 21:49:13 one at a time Jun 15 21:49:24 haeffb: is there a patch for that? :) Jun 15 21:49:34 there may well be... Jun 15 21:49:47 (i don't delete e-mails, so i am not sure) Jun 15 21:50:26 I don't read them, only delete Jun 15 21:52:20 is preware or filecoaster better? Jun 15 21:52:20 any idea what i missed? somthing like this.$.request.execute(); Jun 15 21:53:42 preware Jun 15 21:53:49 amiroo: http://www.webos101.com/Accessing_Web_Services Jun 15 21:54:58 thanks. but i wnat to have xml results Jun 15 21:55:26 and i already use the part "processing web service using prototype" Jun 15 21:55:54 but it's just the initialisation, isn't it? Jun 15 21:56:46 amiroo: it's hard to help if we don't know what you're doing. And we don't know what you're doing. Jun 15 21:57:29 hmmm i guess you are right. sorry Jun 15 21:57:44 DrJan: preware Jun 15 21:59:20 thank you guys. i misunderstood something Jun 15 21:59:23 it works now Jun 15 21:59:40 there is no need for execution or anything like that Jun 15 21:59:46 Thank you guys :-) Jun 15 22:10:30 Hey what's the developer.palm app redirect url? Jun 15 22:15:05 for mobile devices or app website? Jun 15 22:15:33 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid= Jun 15 22:17:45 anyone know if i can update an app, or the web service affecting updates also? Jun 15 22:57:03 anyone know why trying to read Pre w/Sprint 1.4.1.1 NV with requestnvitemread ds_mip_ss_user_prof returns only the TX Diag and not the RX codes? Trying to get my shared secrets to enable full rate data Jun 15 23:01:39 anybody live in LA wana go see pablo francisco with me tonight? Jun 15 23:13:23 if i lived in LA :/ Jun 15 23:14:01 maik: hey I won Jun 15 23:14:07 sugardave: nice! Jun 15 23:14:08 how much? Jun 15 23:14:24 he put in between $500 and $1K Jun 15 23:14:27 ya Jun 15 23:14:29 I hit him at $700 Jun 15 23:14:37 nice, i was thinking 750 at first ;) Jun 15 23:14:39 this app is pretty damn simple Jun 15 23:14:49 yeah, I wanted to make sure I got it Jun 15 23:14:52 :D Jun 15 23:14:54 hah, that's what i thought too Jun 15 23:15:01 just no time :/ Jun 15 23:15:31 hardest thing for me is the HTML design for his art....but I have all of you guys to help me with that ;) Jun 15 23:16:02 haha Jun 15 23:16:07 i'll help...for a price ;) Jun 15 23:16:14 :P Jun 15 23:16:18 help? what? Jun 15 23:16:20 nah, honestly i haven't done anything with webos for a good 4 or 5 months Jun 15 23:16:20 * pandora-- waves Jun 15 23:16:34 me neither, really...time to get the dust off Jun 15 23:16:44 i just thought of a couple good app ideas that i want to work on, but again there's a severe lack of time Jun 15 23:16:59 I am familiar with the absence of time machines Jun 15 23:17:05 i finished Yalm a few weeks ago and haven't done much since Jun 15 23:17:08 heh Jun 15 23:17:13 sugardave, what did u win? Jun 15 23:17:18 gotta add some more features to it though Jun 15 23:17:28 Nyceane: a job to write a webOS app Jun 15 23:18:10 lol Jun 15 23:18:38 i was able to do one app for work Jun 15 23:18:44 which was a nice change of pace from J2ME Jun 15 23:19:04 pandora--: that's cool...my job keeps me far away from development Jun 15 23:19:09 * oilsworkn would do apps for work if i wasn't the only one here with a pre Jun 15 23:19:14 sugardave: sorry to hear that Jun 15 23:19:40 oilsworkn: everyone at my company is android or iphone (TuneWiki) Jun 15 23:19:52 since those are our top downloaders of TuneWiki Jun 15 23:20:40 sugardave, NICE!!! Jun 15 23:20:44 NICE!!! Jun 15 23:21:02 pandora--, you wana go watch pablo francisco with me tonight? Jun 15 23:21:17 what does that even mean? Jun 15 23:21:24 i have no idea what or who that is Jun 15 23:21:25 lol Jun 15 23:21:46 my favorate comedian =-| and my girlfriend doesnt wana drive up from orange county Jun 15 23:22:03 i'll pay for the tix, and i m not expecting anything from u =-| Jun 15 23:22:12 other than some webos help Jun 15 23:22:56 * haeffb finishes adding ability to turn fields on/off in Done task scene Jun 15 23:23:12 * sugardave gets the beer iced down. Jun 15 23:23:28 lol Jun 15 23:23:39 Nyceane: where at? Jun 15 23:23:55 improv at hollywood Jun 15 23:24:08 beer already iced. I shall drink one to celebrate sugardave's big win Jun 15 23:24:22 drink two! Jun 15 23:24:47 ah damn Jun 15 23:25:01 yeah I passed up going to E3 because I didn't feel like driving to the convention center Jun 15 23:25:06 yeah. one to celebrate finishing my task as well Jun 15 23:25:10 I think i'm gonna pass on driving to hollywood too Jun 15 23:25:15 ooo... I wanna drink Jun 15 23:25:16 lol =( Jun 15 23:25:20 and I have a lot of studying to do tonight Jun 15 23:25:26 so no go for me :) Jun 15 23:25:45 sugardave: so step 1 in is progress, right? :) Jun 15 23:25:50 win bid... Jun 15 23:26:13 are there many jobs on elance for webos stuff? Jun 15 23:27:18 HattCzech_work: I searched webOS and got zero hits, some old Palm OS stuff, though Jun 15 23:27:37 I took the Palm Pre dev skills test, so they asked me to submit a bid Jun 15 23:28:19 hmmm Jun 15 23:28:24 i don't understand how stuff like elance pays so little for work Jun 15 23:28:26 it's weird Jun 15 23:28:32 what was the project? and how long you think it'll take you? Jun 15 23:29:07 it's a skeleton app so he can clone it to multiple versions of the same type of app...I figure about 3 weeks of a couple hours here and there Jun 15 23:29:20 it's mostly about getting my reputation built up Jun 15 23:29:41 * pandora-- nods Jun 15 23:29:45 the renowned sugardave needs a reputation? Jun 15 23:30:07 Bmyers: there's an ENTIRE world beyond #webOS....it's a scary place ;) Jun 15 23:30:15 lol Jun 15 23:30:39 ? you gonna start writing icrap? Jun 15 23:31:17 hey hey hey now Jun 15 23:31:26 I wrote iHate411 and iBored Jun 15 23:31:28 sugardave: so you're going to create another brighthouse labs? Jun 15 23:31:32 i... hate... you... Jun 15 23:31:34 :) Jun 15 23:31:35 definitely NOT Jun 15 23:31:37 bahhhhhhh lol Jun 15 23:31:49 ugh fucking brighthouse Jun 15 23:31:54 only kidding. i will start on iapps soon enough Jun 15 23:31:55 who is brighthouse? Jun 15 23:32:03 probably we'll see 6-10 apps from this skeleton Jun 15 23:32:05 the walmart of webos apps Jun 15 23:32:19 i mean, is the guy behind brighthouse known? here in irc? Jun 15 23:32:35 is there a purpose for the apps? (aka can you give more info about the company?) Jun 15 23:32:36 fucking hate that shit Jun 15 23:32:37 lol Jun 15 23:32:41 at one point I think I had him pegged, but I forget who it was Jun 15 23:32:50 hahahaa damnit!! Jun 15 23:32:53 i'm only asking because i'd like to do some on-the-side stuff, but i don't want to be nickel and dimed Jun 15 23:33:25 it's a ringtone app, he's going to try to make money on ads Jun 15 23:33:46 well, it's a thought :) Jun 15 23:34:01 i've made $40 in 25 days Jun 15 23:34:09 apparently they do a booming business on iPhone...he's expanding to BB, Android, and webOS Jun 15 23:34:11 better rate than my savings account Jun 15 23:34:34 $0 -> $40 = infinite return rate! Jun 15 23:34:39 heh Jun 15 23:34:50 that's cool Jun 15 23:35:36 * sugardave submerges. Jun 15 23:36:46 i'm not sure how long my app will be in the top 221 :/ only on day 2 and teetering on the edge Jun 15 23:38:28 HattCzech_work: on ads? Jun 15 23:38:52 ...? Jun 15 23:39:01 top 221 of hot apps... $40 on ads Jun 15 23:39:06 HattCzech_work: you made $40 on ads? Jun 15 23:39:07 ah Jun 15 23:39:09 if that answers the question you were asking? Jun 15 23:39:11 HattCzech_work: which app? Jun 15 23:39:12 yeah Jun 15 23:39:15 txt group Jun 15 23:39:23 crazy Jun 15 23:39:27 thats cool Jun 15 23:40:08 yeah Jun 15 23:40:16 * haeffb can't reconcile Done's placement on the hot apps list with # of sales on dev portal Jun 15 23:40:21 hopefully it'll pay for the cost of submission Jun 15 23:40:42 i was wondering about that haeffb Jun 15 23:40:43 yeah that's all i'm looking for to start with at least Jun 15 23:40:45 haeffb: how many sales did you get? Jun 15 23:40:56 you got $1200 worth? Jun 15 23:41:07 not according to the dev portal Jun 15 23:41:19 of course, it's going to be a bit behind actual downloads... Jun 15 23:41:20 then how r u at that with done!? Jun 15 23:41:21 HattCzech_work: even a shit app i had at 1.99 got back more than the submission fee before i pulled it due to excessive shittyness Jun 15 23:41:53 well, I take that back. 407 DL's at $3.23 = $12xx Jun 15 23:42:06 haeffb: which app? Jun 15 23:42:10 Done! Jun 15 23:42:15 i can never remember who wrote what Jun 15 23:42:18 ahhhhhh very nice Jun 15 23:42:39 i think my best selling app is ibored Jun 15 23:42:58 yeah 1,402 @$1.99 Jun 15 23:43:05 u program on a mac pandora? Jun 15 23:43:12 sometimes Jun 15 23:43:17 hackintosh? Jun 15 23:43:29 depends on if i'm working on my couch or in my home office Jun 15 23:43:30 haha Jun 15 23:43:40 couch == macbook, home office == ubuntu desktop Jun 15 23:43:54 macbook 15 or 17? Jun 15 23:44:04 i work from home, so i'm a couch coder pretty often Jun 15 23:44:06 15" Jun 15 23:44:18 just got the macbook recently Jun 15 23:44:23 replaced my linux laptop Jun 15 23:44:38 so you devel'd iapps on your ubuntu? Jun 15 23:44:39 which still works, but nobody wants to buy it Jun 15 23:44:44 lol yeah Jun 15 23:44:49 i'm not a mac guy AT ALL Jun 15 23:45:06 i own a mac because i got tired of stealing my wife's macbook to do iphone dev Jun 15 23:45:07 i kind thought your pretty much had to have a mac to devel iapps Jun 15 23:45:11 hahaha Jun 15 23:45:12 ah Jun 15 23:45:15 i c Jun 15 23:45:26 i don't like the mac as much as linux Jun 15 23:45:43 but, was learning iphone crap to keep my skills sharp as a well rounded mobile developer Jun 15 23:45:43 thats like borrowing your wifes minivan just so you can speed with getting a ticket Jun 15 23:45:50 (without) Jun 15 23:45:50 hahaha Jun 15 23:46:22 anyone have any experience with phonegap? Jun 15 23:46:46 anyone?...... anyone?? Jun 15 23:46:46 though, i wrote ihate411 and ibored about 5 years ago, originally. in j2me and long before iphone dev Jun 15 23:46:55 i've looked at it, but never actually tried it Jun 15 23:47:17 i'm off, adios guys Jun 15 23:47:21 laters Jun 15 23:47:27 i might have a whack at it in 14 days or so Jun 15 23:48:23 nice, let me know what you think Jun 15 23:49:19 http://www.getjar.com/mobile/19093/ibored-240x320/ Jun 15 23:49:31 there we go, there's the java version of ibored :) Jun 15 23:49:55 it's actually opensourced for java because I wasn't selling it Jun 15 23:50:07 cool Jun 15 23:52:36 anyone run quaatro in europe? Jun 15 23:56:58 Hey all Jun 15 23:57:04 Anybody here? Jun 15 23:57:57 sup Jun 15 23:58:08 Hey Nyceane Jun 15 23:58:09 nope Jun 15 23:58:15 er..wait...yep Jun 15 23:58:25 Does anybody know how to make an app active? Jun 15 23:58:44 For example, I have a dashboard, and when the user taps it, I want to bring my app to focus Jun 16 00:03:00 yes Jun 16 00:04:09 serviceRequest to palm://com.palm.applicationManager with the launch parameter and your appID Jun 16 00:04:33 has anyone here done work with oAuth Echo to upload images to Twitpic et al? Jun 16 00:05:35 for example: http://www.pastie.org/1006217 Jun 16 00:15:20 any way to sort app catalog apps by both rating and popularity Jun 16 00:15:32 sort by rating and there's stuff with a single five star review sitting at the top Jun 16 00:19:52 kinda useless, if you ask me Jun 16 00:21:08 needs a "best stuff goes at the top of the page" setting Jun 16 00:21:27 user should click on "hottest apps" and be like WHOA THESE APPS ARE HOT Jun 16 00:31:12 torchie: I find it hard to disagree Jun 16 00:31:24 cool, i said something agreeable Jun 16 00:50:32 radiotime's pretty fly Jun 16 00:50:54 haeffb: I tired that, and it didn't work Jun 16 00:50:59 The app is already open Jun 16 00:51:07 then you didn't do it right Jun 16 00:51:40 I'm pretty sure I did Jun 16 00:51:42 I even try/catched it Jun 16 00:53:15 kesne: pastebin Jun 16 00:53:54 http://www.pastie.org/1006254 Jun 16 00:55:17 your appAssistant.handleLaunch have something like this... http://www.pastie.org/1006255 Jun 16 00:55:56 should have? Jun 16 00:56:02 Or is that a quetsion? Jun 16 00:56:04 should have Jun 16 00:56:11 it was a question Jun 16 00:56:17 I think this breaks: Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene(this.sceneArgs); Jun 16 00:56:27 I don't have an app assistant Jun 16 00:56:44 how do you have a dashboard w/o an app assistant? Jun 16 00:57:00 You don't need an app assistant Jun 16 00:57:50 dashboard or banner? Jun 16 00:57:59 dashboard Jun 16 00:58:06 Banner is easy as hell Jun 16 00:58:10 One line of code Jun 16 00:58:42 dashboard is a different stage. how do you have two stages w/o an app assistant? Jun 16 00:58:54 I'm magic? Jun 16 00:59:16 I really don't know Jun 16 00:59:19 I just did it Jun 16 00:59:22 well, use more magic to make the tap work! Jun 16 00:59:26 this.login = new Mojo.Model.Cookie("ooptionsu"); usernames = this.login.get(); if (usernames) { this.appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); this.notificationCreatedHandler = this.notificationCreated.bind(this, "Logged In. Tap To View Updates."); this.appController.createStageWithCallback({ name: "myDashboard", lightweight: true }, this.notificationCreatedHandler, "dashboard"); Jun 16 00:59:55 That launches it Jun 16 00:59:59 I have no idea Jun 16 01:00:02 I really don't Jun 16 01:01:25 the entire checkers source is a huge mess of code Jun 16 01:01:44 It's a miricle anything works Jun 16 01:02:10 take a look at this: http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Jun 16 01:02:36 kesne doesn't like reading Jun 16 01:02:38 I guess it isn't multi-stage Jun 16 01:02:39 he like being told what to do Jun 16 01:02:49 oil is correct, by-the-way Jun 16 01:02:49 xD Jun 16 01:03:09 I'm a lazy ass who steals code from other coders and makes it work Jun 16 01:04:26 oh, well, in that case there are bunches of open-source multi-stage apps Jun 16 01:04:41 Haha Jun 16 01:04:43 I'm kidding :P Jun 16 01:04:50 * haeffb takes a new approach Jun 16 01:04:59 kesne: read this: http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Jun 16 01:05:12 * haeffb tells kesne what to do to see if it works Jun 16 01:05:27 Why would I do that though? Jun 16 01:05:30 It's already working Jun 16 01:05:37 I would break so much by doing that Jun 16 01:05:46 if it were working, you wouldn't be here Jun 16 01:06:28 * haeffb 's logic is irrefutable Jun 16 01:07:00 * haeffb has been downing beers for the past three hours... Jun 16 01:07:17 0 cards open Jun 16 01:07:21 open game demo Jun 16 01:07:25 "sorry you have too many cards" Jun 16 01:07:52 "too many cards" is code for "we've leaked too much memory" Jun 16 01:08:02 "reboot and try again" Jun 16 01:11:41 fair nuff Jun 16 01:11:53 this askme app that kinda sucks makes me wonder Jun 16 01:12:05 is there anything like a cool yahoo answers type app or what Jun 16 01:14:28 anyone here use ipkg-build? Jun 16 01:15:05 Anybody in Los Angeles? Jun 16 01:18:01 Nyceane: several million people, last I heard Jun 16 01:18:12 heh Jun 16 01:18:39 Nyceane: you, me, and the paratroopers guy i know are are really close Jun 16 01:21:56 i need to learn how to make a signature and key file for ipkg-build, anyone mind lending me a hand? Jun 16 01:24:20 Anybody here in Portland? Jun 16 01:26:02 pandora--, i need to find paratrooper to go to pablo francisco with me Jun 16 01:26:11 i have an hour and half left and i havnt found anybody Jun 16 01:26:20 any blind date you can set me up with? i dont even mind if shes fat Jun 16 01:26:37 lol Jun 16 01:26:51 hmmm Jun 16 01:27:00 i actually don't know many single chicks Jun 16 01:28:27 i dont care if they are not single, i m not single myself Jun 16 01:28:39 i m not looking to score tonight =D Jun 16 01:30:00 heh Jun 16 01:55:42 Does anybody know how to close a dashboard from the app? Jun 16 02:03:06 NVM, figured it out Jun 16 02:42:03 hi all Jun 16 02:43:15 hey JenP! Jun 16 02:43:33 hey kesne...enjoying summer break? Jun 16 02:43:40 not yet Jun 16 02:43:44 This is my last week Jun 16 02:43:56 ah Jun 16 02:43:56 JenP: see if you can get kesne to read this: http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Jun 16 02:44:09 Trust me, as soon as summer break starts, I'll start diving deeping into dev Jun 16 02:44:15 kesne ready haeffb's article Jun 16 02:44:23 or you'll be grounded.... Jun 16 02:44:25 LOL Jun 16 02:44:26 haeffb: you have a funny name Jun 16 02:44:32 Haha :P Jun 16 02:44:48 Once upon a time there was a pot. Jun 16 02:44:56 The pot happened across a kettle. Jun 16 02:45:14 "Wow," the pot said, "that kettle looks black." Jun 16 02:45:26 What happened next!? Jun 16 02:45:30 end of story Jun 16 02:45:33 go to bed Jun 16 02:45:34 ... Jun 16 02:45:34 * JenP runs to get a blanky...it's story time!!! Is there a princess? Jun 16 02:45:39 JenP, are you from LA? Jun 16 02:45:42 I don't get it Jun 16 02:45:46 heheheh Jun 16 02:45:48 San Diego Jun 16 02:46:00 I'm heading to disneyland in august Jun 16 02:46:12 JenP: have fun with that quake yesterday? Jun 16 02:46:13 :) Jun 16 02:46:18 sucks =-( Jun 16 02:46:21 so much fun! Jun 16 02:46:24 lol Jun 16 02:46:30 i felt it all the way up in LA Jun 16 02:46:30 I have never seen a cat freak out like mine did Jun 16 02:46:36 man, i cant find anybody to go see pablo francisco with me tonight Jun 16 02:46:37 hahaha Jun 16 02:46:40 it was only 5.3 Jun 16 02:47:02 Hey, that's how tall I am! Jun 16 02:47:03 5.7 Jun 16 02:47:17 but either way, decent size quake in my book Jun 16 02:47:23 pish....easy.....wake me when we're over 8 Jun 16 02:47:27 lol Jun 16 02:47:30 i hate earthquakes Jun 16 02:47:39 3.x and I'm freaking out Jun 16 02:47:40 :( Jun 16 02:47:43 LOL Jun 16 02:47:46 you're funny Jun 16 02:47:46 I love them Jun 16 02:47:49 * pandora-- born and raised in CA Jun 16 02:47:53 I genuinely love the feeling of them Jun 16 02:47:53 still not used to them Jun 16 02:47:58 aacckkk Jun 16 02:48:01 nooooo Jun 16 02:48:17 i usually have to leave the house for a while afterwards Jun 16 02:48:18 what's not to like? Jun 16 02:48:22 i have 12 minutes left, guess i m out of luck lol Jun 16 02:48:23 =-| Jun 16 02:48:31 kesne: you know, the feeling that you're about to die Jun 16 02:48:37 I love that Jun 16 02:48:39 Nyceane: too bad man Jun 16 02:48:48 12 mins? Jun 16 02:48:49 kesne: i like that feeling in other situations Jun 16 02:48:53 just not in earthquakes Jun 16 02:48:58 pandora--: protip: don't value life, and it's quite fun Jun 16 02:49:01 i m gona hang out with my ex this weekend, just to give shit to my girlfriend not showing up =D Jun 16 02:49:04 i do some pretty dangerous stuff, but quakes freak me the hell out Jun 16 02:49:12 i'd like to see a tornado Jun 16 02:49:21 kesne: heh you should see the shit I do sometimes ;) Jun 16 02:49:26 I'd like to see a volcano . Jun 16 02:49:26 JenP: no, you wouldn't. not in person Jun 16 02:49:39 but they look sooo cool on TV Jun 16 02:49:47 haeffb: are you black? Jun 16 02:49:58 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs331.snc3/29156_396087816169_500696169_3968372_7625342_n.jpg Jun 16 02:50:06 kesne! Jun 16 02:50:08 me playing on the weekends just a few weeks back Jun 16 02:50:10 kesne: it's past your bedtime. Jun 16 02:50:13 LOL Jun 16 02:50:16 see, that's ok... earthquakes... not ok Jun 16 02:50:33 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs435.ash1/24054_384940926169_500696169_3725912_6030935_n.jpg Jun 16 02:50:35 haha Jun 16 02:50:39 that dude has a rope... Jun 16 02:50:41 is that a yes? Jun 16 02:50:58 see? doesn't make sense that I hate quakes Jun 16 02:51:12 haeffb the articles good Jun 16 02:51:29 I know. kesne refuses to read it Jun 16 02:51:45 Actually, I've already read it Jun 16 02:52:09 lies! Jun 16 02:52:17 LOL Jun 16 02:52:30 * haeffb borrows halfhalo's lines Jun 16 02:52:39 haeffb: what about rope? Jun 16 02:52:39 now kesne...we'd like you to write a 600 word paper summary of what you read Jun 16 02:53:17 Ha Jun 16 02:53:22 600 words? That's it? Jun 16 02:53:58 smiles...well if you're volunteering I'm sure there are some articles we need written on webos101 Jun 16 02:54:00 what article is this? Jun 16 02:54:06 Ugh Jun 16 02:54:07 http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications#Create_an_AppAssistant.prototype.handleLaunch.28.29 Jun 16 02:54:14 I'm terrible at writing Jun 16 02:54:26 though I own a fake news website for my school Jun 16 02:54:44 that's even more reason to do it. It will help you grow...grins Jun 16 02:55:01 Haha Jun 16 02:55:03 heh Jun 16 02:55:06 http://bigstorynews.com Jun 16 02:55:09 Big Story News Jun 16 02:55:13 get it, BS News? Jun 16 02:55:32 LOL you are young Jun 16 02:56:28 pandora--: the rope makes it easy. without the rope would be dangerous. Jun 16 02:56:34 haeffb is the article incomplete? Jun 16 02:56:54 you ref senario 3....where's one and two? Jun 16 02:57:12 haeffb: lol that's 170 feet down, and half of it was a free hang, I'd like to see someone do that without ropes and not die :) Jun 16 02:57:25 JenP: I'm 16 :P Jun 16 02:57:39 kesne i know how old you are... Jun 16 02:57:47 i expect so much more from you young man Jun 16 02:58:25 haeffb this would be a great opp for a few screen shots Jun 16 02:59:26 JenP: Your handleLaunch() method needs to handle at least three scenarios: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 16 02:59:56 2010