**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 25 02:59:57 2010 Jun 25 03:00:01 example: function AddweightAssistant(argFromPusher) { Jun 25 03:00:02 } Jun 25 03:00:02 AddweightAssistant.prototype = { Jun 25 03:00:02 setup: function() { Jun 25 03:00:02 Ares.setupSceneAssistant(this); Jun 25 03:00:02 }, Jun 25 03:00:02 cleanup: function() { Jun 25 03:00:03 Ares.cleanupSceneAssistant(this); Jun 25 03:00:03 }, Jun 25 03:00:18 whats that site i can use to paste code so it doesn't spam chat? Jun 25 03:00:36 pastebin.com Jun 25 03:00:42 thanks Jun 25 03:00:47 There's a few of em Jun 25 03:01:11 ahh see you didnt paste enough Jun 25 03:01:18 theres numerous syntax's ;p Jun 25 03:02:15 yeah, guess its sort of like an array of functions.. i just want to declare a variable thats visible to all of them Jun 25 03:04:23 ive got a name for an app, but no idea what to use it for ;p Jun 25 03:04:45 anybody know a way to add a class to an alertDialog? Jun 25 03:04:58 .addClassName ? Jun 25 03:05:12 I mean as part of its "setup" Jun 25 03:05:27 overwrite its base style i guess Jun 25 03:05:55 I've done it already for a showDialog, but I need to change THIS dialog slightly Jun 25 03:05:57 http://pastebin.com/d4bTqcmB - this works... lets assume i want to add a TotalsDb object to it... where do i put it and how? Jun 25 03:06:12 I need to look at some Prototype magic, I guess Jun 25 03:06:34 or look in the css, in the refcode/framework Jun 25 03:07:11 it's #palm-dialog-box, but that's for any dialog that you popup Jun 25 03:07:18 showDIalog, showAlertDialog, etc. Jun 25 03:07:29 soo.. what kinda game could i make for the name 'Are you Yeti?' Jun 25 03:07:46 not a game... Dating App Jun 25 03:07:53 port that one where you try to throw the penguins, I think that's a yeti Jun 25 03:09:43 heh, my daughter would like a game where you DRESSED a yeti Jun 25 03:09:59 but I don't think I'd buy it :p Jun 25 03:12:06 http://www.igarchive.com/flashgames/?play=4098&game=Yeti+Bloody+Penguin Jun 25 03:12:10 soooooooooooooooooooo old Jun 25 03:14:03 hehe, same class as strongbad Jun 25 03:18:17 DELETED! Jun 25 03:19:20 :O Jun 25 03:22:32 Bleh Jun 25 03:22:39 I can't get my darn setTimeouts to work Jun 25 03:24:06 maybe you need a timeout Jun 25 03:24:29 ? Jun 25 03:24:32 I fixed it Jun 25 03:24:42 i was making a joke Jun 25 03:24:43 Okay, the website should now use much, much CPU and network resources Jun 25 03:24:54 more? Jun 25 03:25:04 less Jun 25 03:25:06 Heh Jun 25 03:25:09 my bad Jun 25 03:25:16 It used to ping the server constantly Jun 25 03:25:34 Now it does it every 5 seconds, and I also fixed up some of the animation code to make it smarter Jun 25 03:25:55 21.8mb memory usage Jun 25 03:26:08 dawm: right now? Jun 25 03:26:14 spikes of 23-33% cpu on image change Jun 25 03:26:25 22.1mb memory Jun 25 03:26:32 dawm: did you refresh? Jun 25 03:26:42 i just opened it up in chrome Jun 25 03:26:54 Oh, well try a real browser Jun 25 03:27:00 theres a memory leak for sure ;p Jun 25 03:27:08 22.5mb Jun 25 03:27:54 I'm not seeing that Jun 25 03:27:55 Hmm Jun 25 03:27:58 23mb Jun 25 03:29:12 heh Jun 25 03:29:25 it says you have an unexpected token on line one of cookies.js Jun 25 03:29:58 Hmm Jun 25 03:30:00 Let me look Jun 25 03:30:27 Oh Jun 25 03:30:34 I'm trying to include the file Jun 25 03:30:38 And it doesn't exist Jun 25 03:30:50 twas damn residue code from KSO Jun 25 03:31:09 it also says, Resource interpreted as script but transferred with MIME type text/html. Jun 25 03:31:20 ok, i've created a better example... i want to create an object of type TotalsDb in MainAssistant that I can access from all the methods in the MainAssistant class... how should I go about defining a TotalsDb object there? http://pastebin.com/KcB0XgUF Jun 25 03:33:16 EmmettLollis: what are you attempting? Jun 25 03:33:34 I look and your code and see Ares stuff, and my brain goes flatline Jun 25 03:33:44 i want to use my TotalsDb class/object from the MainAssistant class Jun 25 03:34:01 heh Jun 25 03:34:19 var TotalsDb = function() {all that other stuff}; inside your MainAssistant should do it... Jun 25 03:34:23 this.db = TotalsDb Jun 25 03:35:50 dawm: what is that you're talking about exactly? Jun 25 03:36:45 somebody should port that catapault game.... Jun 25 03:36:57 if i put that in the line after MainAssistant.prototype = { it tells me that MainAssistant is not defined Jun 25 03:37:13 :/ Jun 25 03:37:31 thats what i get for trying to get all object oriented Jun 25 03:39:29 t Jun 25 03:39:31 EmmettLollis: no, outside of MainAssistant anything...put it at the top of your file...or even in stage-assistant.js Jun 25 03:40:17 I just got bumped out of the $10k winnings today in the Hot Apps Competition! Sales are still good though...but the 50% off sale certainly has changed the landscape. Jun 25 03:40:31 rbredow: ouch Jun 25 03:40:53 All the paid apps in the top 21 positions are now more than $3. All the new ones are more than $5. Jun 25 03:40:56 it's okay, I have nothing in the hunt Jun 25 03:41:13 Not sure a $2 app stands a chance..but I just added a few new levels tonight to keep things interesting. Jun 25 03:41:20 good luck! Jun 25 03:41:27 http://www.awfulgames.com/games/catapult/ Jun 25 03:41:29 Thx! Jun 25 03:41:49 oh! Jun 25 03:42:05 dawm: re-do Ski Free...it ha a yeti in it at the end that eats the siier Jun 25 03:42:07 skiier Jun 25 03:42:48 you could use the accelerometer for the jumps and turns, etc. Jun 25 03:43:59 rbredow: I noticed some time ago that the top paid apps were all >> $1 Jun 25 03:44:50 Yup. I priced Paratrooper at $2 after reading a long time ago on Precentral that they were guessing that was around the sweet spot for a "casual" app. Maybe I should have gone a bit higher... Jun 25 03:44:57 But I'm happy that a lot of people have and seem to like the game. Jun 25 03:46:26 Some would also suggest it's not polite of Palm to change the terms of the game while it's in progress...this is the second time they've done so. Jun 25 03:46:38 first time was extending the deadline. Jun 25 03:46:42 3rd time's a charm? Jun 25 03:47:17 ok i tried putting "var totalsDb = TotalsDb; in the scene assistant at the top.. got a 6 line error message Jun 25 03:47:54 I would have won $10k if they had stuck to the original deadline. I *probably* would have won $10k if they hadn't run a sale for the last 10 days. That said, Palm has been awesome to me and has helped promote Paratrooper in just about every way they could have--so I can't really complain that's for sure. Jun 25 03:48:04 var totalsDb = new TotalsDb(); Jun 25 03:48:22 EmmettLollis: ooops Jun 25 03:48:45 ok, totalsDb = new seems to get me moved on to the next bug Jun 25 03:48:46 haha Jun 25 03:48:54 so i guess that line works Jun 25 03:48:55 lol Jun 25 03:49:06 haeffb: oh, dialog guru, how does one add a class name to an alertDialog that doesn't exist yet? Jun 25 03:49:17 i thought for sure that 100 lines of fresh code would work off the bat Jun 25 03:49:22 css class? Jun 25 03:50:06 yeah, I have special css overriding #palm-dialog-box for my custom dialog....but, I need to show another dialog in the same scene and my overrides really f that one up Jun 25 03:50:11 since AlertDialog is created by the framework, you probably have to use javascript Jun 25 03:52:22 custom dialog = showDialog() ? Jun 25 03:52:44 where you define the .html and can use whatever class you want? Jun 25 03:52:48 yeah, and then I want to use a showAlertDialog (well, first) Jun 25 03:53:00 like my-palm-dialog-box ? Jun 25 03:53:44 in other words, don't override the defaults, copy & modify them to do what you need - leave palm's alone Jun 25 03:53:46 well, the problem seems that the wrapper #palm-dialog-box keeps adding this ugly blank div thing at the bottom of my scene, so I moved it with top: 481px Jun 25 03:55:09 it's probably going to be easier to make this one a showDialog as well Jun 25 03:56:42 http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3180068 Jun 25 03:56:47 as long as you don't need errorDialog or alertDialog anywhere in the app... Jun 25 03:57:18 * sugardave crosses his fingers. Jun 25 03:57:34 actually, this is the last thing to do for this app Jun 25 03:57:42 ah, I know what I'll do Jun 25 04:08:02 rbredow: sorry to hear that you got bumped Jun 25 04:08:20 i'm trying to work my way back into the top 221 Jun 25 04:08:31 i was only there for 2 days Jun 25 04:08:33 HattCzech: Thanks. Still holding out hope! :) Jun 25 04:08:51 i hope you get back in there Jun 25 04:08:56 you deserve it more than some of the others Jun 25 04:09:08 *co emoticons ugh* Jun 25 04:09:25 Thanks. I just added a few new levels to the game so hopefully that'll peak some more interest. Jun 25 04:10:04 when did you submit? Jun 25 04:10:30 Anyone else rooting for "Free Music Ringtones" to win the free column? I love Pandora, but I'd love even more to see an individual developer take the big prize. Jun 25 04:10:38 i am Jun 25 04:10:41 The new levels? Just submitted this evening so it's going to be tight. Jun 25 04:10:46 sent james an e-mail earlier wishing him luck Jun 25 04:11:05 (and congratulating him on #2) Jun 25 04:11:29 James and I have exchanged in-game mentions of each others apps (on the MOTD screen) to see if we can help each other out. Hope it helps him! Jun 25 04:11:51 yeah, i saw an ad for yours in the app Jun 25 04:13:35 Hey! Jun 25 04:15:40 Hey! to you too Jun 25 04:18:17 HattCzech: Does Keen Studios use less resources for you now? Jun 25 04:19:19 looks better, only bumps up to 33% when the images change Jun 25 04:19:29 30mb in ram, though Jun 25 04:19:54 ehhh, maybe only 15mb Jun 25 04:22:23 Mannnnn I hope James wins... I don't want pandora to Jun 25 04:22:45 that would be awesome Jun 25 04:23:30 Pandora is great...but $100k to an indie developer would be awesome. Jun 25 04:26:25 * Tibfib wonders if he should release the alpha of mojo messenger to try and get in on hot apps....hmmmmmm Jun 25 04:26:42 Probably bad move long term... Jun 25 04:26:58 go for it Jun 25 04:27:11 you'll only be out there a few days Jun 25 04:27:15 shouldn't make an impact Jun 25 04:27:31 unless it's another free music ringtones, then you're in Jun 25 04:27:44 hmmmmmm....idk.... Jun 25 04:28:19 pandora is about twice the downloads of free music at the moment, isn't it? Jun 25 04:28:20 I'd hate to discourage future users from using the app because the alpha isn't perfect Jun 25 04:28:36 rwhitby: probably :( Jun 25 04:28:37 rwhitby: do you know how to determine the unique count? Jun 25 04:28:45 cuz total downloads doesn't mean much :/ Jun 25 04:28:58 Actually. I don't think it is Jun 25 04:29:00 Maybe stick a "message of the day" on there warning people about it's "alpha" status. Jun 25 04:29:01 HattCzech: I don't. but total downloads relativity between the two is indicative Jun 25 04:29:14 free music has only been out a month Jun 25 04:29:16 in css what does .class1.class2 indicate? has both or element.class1 is a parent of element.class2? Jun 25 04:29:22 A lot of Pandora's downloads were before the hot apps competition though. Jun 25 04:29:34 yeah, that's why i'm wondering Jun 25 04:29:39 Because helicopter game was ahead of pandora earlier, and now fmr has passed it Jun 25 04:29:44 rbredow: ah, that's true. I hope James can overtake. Jun 25 04:29:47 I think it's close. Jun 25 04:30:23 It would be really cool to see the actual numbers that go into the hot apps competition...I wonder how close a lot of these races are. Jun 25 04:30:32 I've downloaded fmr on each of my 6 working devices :) Jun 25 04:30:51 With as much switching around there is from day-to-day, I'll bet it's pretty interesting. Jun 25 04:31:23 rwhitby: What do I have to do to get you to buy paratrooper 6 times too! :) Jun 25 04:31:23 It is a pretty perfect app for a mobile device Jun 25 04:31:49 * Tibfib is sad that the contest extended a month... my app would have made it Jun 25 04:31:49 I don't even use music ring tones, but the app is so slick I like FMR anyway. Jun 25 04:32:12 tibfib: Me too. What was your app? Jun 25 04:32:16 hmmmm.... I need to download more apps.... Jun 25 04:32:29 rbredow: heh me too, my ringer switch is always off... Jun 25 04:32:37 rbredow: countdown puzzles, my first app Jun 25 04:33:01 Bad code, decent-ish game Jun 25 04:34:05 tibfib: I haven't tried it yet...downloading now. Jun 25 04:34:25 rbredow: I've downloaded paratrooper :) Jun 25 04:34:36 Heh, I just performed a three-way rotate of email addresses and palm profiles :) Jun 25 04:34:36 tibfib: Thanks! Jun 25 04:34:56 rwhitby: That's awesome...that took 3 phones, right? Jun 25 04:35:35 Got a new Pre Plus today, activated in the US, so now I can move the profile I've been using to buy apps (originally from a Sprint Pre) onto a device that I can use as a phone in my country, and continue to buy apps with it from the US app catalog :) Jun 25 04:35:47 nice Jun 25 04:35:47 rbredow: Paratrooper is your app? Jun 25 04:35:54 dkirker: Yup. Jun 25 04:35:54 rbredow: yeah, that took three phones and four email addresses Jun 25 04:36:14 rbredow: It looks pretty cool. I have been dying to spend some money on apps. I think I am going to download it. :) Jun 25 04:36:24 rbredow: I can Jun 25 04:36:30 dkirker: That would be great for me! Jun 25 04:36:41 rbredow: I can only buy your app on two devices, and I've done that. Jun 25 04:36:42 rwhitby: nice... haven't found the geo-filtering code yet? Jun 25 04:36:55 rwhitby: That's super nice of you...seriously. Thanks. Jun 25 04:37:05 rbredow: Check your download count, then wait 5 minutes, and check it again. :D Jun 25 04:37:06 Tibfib: there is no geo-filtering. app catalog access is based purely on country of first activation of the hardware device. Jun 25 04:37:23 rwhitby: well have you found the code that effects it? Jun 25 04:37:24 rbredow: I already had it on one. Jun 25 04:37:31 Tibfib: no, it's server side. Jun 25 04:37:39 aww, shucks Jun 25 04:37:54 I probably seem a little desperate these days. When I see people on the street with a Palm Pre, I ask them if they have ever heard of Paratrooper. The funny thing is that most of them actually have at least the free version! :) Jun 25 04:38:04 hehe Jun 25 04:38:33 from what I can tell, there is a record for your hardware device which is independent from the profiles, and it travels from profile to profile. it's the country of first activation of the hardware device which determines which app catalog you see Jun 25 04:39:19 rwhitby: so what happens if you move? Jun 25 04:39:29 stuck with the original catalog? Jun 25 04:39:55 HattCzech: ye Jun 25 04:39:56 p Jun 25 04:40:11 also applies to phones that are sold second hand Jun 25 04:40:20 that kind of sucks Jun 25 04:40:29 haeffb_pre: .myclass [x-mojo-element=_Dialog] .palm-dialogbox { /*the stuff* } Jun 25 04:40:35 Tibfib: Your countdown game is awesome. Really nicely done. Jun 25 04:40:58 rbredow: Downloaded! Now I am going to play. :) Jun 25 04:41:02 I wanted to add a "level submission" system to paratrooper--I have the level editor done I just haven't set up the back-end system to handle all the submissions. That's a big job. Jun 25 04:41:11 dkirker: Let me know if/when you get stuck! :) Jun 25 04:41:22 lol Jun 25 04:42:34 rbredow: thanks! It was pretty easy for a game like countdown Jun 25 04:42:45 Tis fairly basic Jun 25 04:42:56 Paratrooper seems like it would be tough Jun 25 04:43:29 ooooooooo!!!!! 100 points!! Jun 25 04:43:53 I think the level-editor was the hardest part and I put a lot of time into it. But there are lots of ways to make unsolveable levels so I needed to make the player pass the level before submitting. Then a ranking systems, etc. Just never got it all done. Jun 25 04:44:01 Would make the game super-cool though with the level editor exposed. Jun 25 04:44:10 I actually still build all the levels on the Pre. Jun 25 04:44:26 rbredow: hah that's awesome Jun 25 04:44:28 hmmmm... i'm doing an sqlite "select * from tbl_totals where date = ?",[searchDate] -- it comes back with an error that the table alreay exists... why would the table existing be an error when i do a search? Jun 25 04:44:29 dkirker: A perfect landing I see! Jun 25 04:44:59 Goner! Jun 25 04:45:00 rbredow: something the blocked game does is not let you submit it until you have tested and beaten the level Jun 25 04:45:12 Exactly...I'd need that for sure. Jun 25 04:46:21 Shouldn't be hard...just a bit of coding. There are about 25 options that define the level settings (in addition to the sprites) and some of the options are only valid in some cases. None of it's hard--but it's a lot to get "perfect". Jun 25 04:47:28 Hello Jun 25 04:47:32 some 1 here? Jun 25 04:47:36 yes Jun 25 04:48:24 hello Jun 25 04:48:39 do you know how I can retrieve the name of a picture? Jun 25 04:49:01 i have tried inSender.Name Jun 25 04:49:08 rbredow: ugg. one of my least favorite parts of coding Jun 25 04:49:08 but that dosent work Jun 25 04:50:04 Tibfib: I thought it would be be more fun to do it with Mojo. After 2 nights of playing with it, I dropped that idea. Jun 25 04:51:00 is inSender a DOM element? Jun 25 04:51:18 rbredow: I think it would be really sweet if you got it working... have a submissions rating system and a featured challenge of the day Jun 25 04:51:35 if it's an you can get at it with inSender.src (well you can get the source that way) Jun 25 04:51:36 I dont know Jun 25 04:51:39 Agreed 100% Jun 25 04:51:45 there is little to none documentation Jun 25 04:51:51 for iSender in ares Jun 25 04:51:57 inSender Jun 25 04:52:05 Object.toJSON(inSender) Jun 25 04:52:28 * Tibfib wants to make a better game with a sweeeeeeet online community Jun 25 04:52:37 Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(inSender)); is better Jun 25 04:52:44 have it tie in with Mojo Messenger :) Jun 25 04:52:54 lol Jun 25 04:52:57 what does that do? Jun 25 04:53:01 just logs? Jun 25 04:53:21 needhelpwithwebO: it will log out all the properties of inSender so you can find what you need Jun 25 04:53:28 takes an Object and prints it as a JSON string so you can see it's properties/methods Jun 25 04:53:40 s/it's/its/ Jun 25 04:53:47 I like to use: http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ for my logging... although be warned it can freeze up if you have lots of stuff coming in Jun 25 04:57:31 Please excuse me while I do some channel testing (maintenance later). The channel should operate fine during this period. Jun 25 04:59:22 any german speakers here? Jun 25 05:00:00 ~seen swisstomcat Jun 25 05:00:25 no infobot in here >.< Jun 25 05:00:33 hehehe, unfortunately :) Jun 25 05:00:52 Anyone else see a very large discrepancy between the "reconciled downloads" and actual users for their paid app? Jun 25 05:01:02 dkirker is about to add infobot Jun 25 05:01:20 google translate: "Translation in progress" (english) -> "Translation in progress" (german) ...? does that seem right? Jun 25 05:01:21 I see about a 50% "breakage" rate on Paratrooper. Jun 25 05:01:29 sugardave: Who own's infobot? Jun 25 05:01:36 rwhitby? Jun 25 05:01:53 (that's my guess, he can confirm or deny) Jun 25 05:01:58 dkirker-test: die Jun 25 05:02:44 dkirker: not sure about that.... Jun 25 05:02:54 no, infobot is owned by TimRiker Jun 25 05:03:04 I need to remove this silence option... dkirker-test cannot speak Jun 25 05:03:21 dkirker: if you give approval, TimRiker will be happy to have infobot visit this channel too Jun 25 05:03:38 What features does infobot offer? Jun 25 05:03:47 ~seen is probably the most useful one Jun 25 05:03:54 and s/text/replacement/ Jun 25 05:04:01 and ~botsnack ;) Jun 25 05:04:01 and that Jun 25 05:04:15 you mean ~botsmack ;) Jun 25 05:04:25 Ah, ok. I have seen bots in other channels that do this. Jun 25 05:04:27 dkirker: infobot help author says: (mailto:lenzo@ri.cmu.edu) Jun 25 05:04:28 heheheh Jun 25 05:04:31 and things like ~faq or ~webos-doctor or any other factoid you want to add to it Jun 25 05:04:41 I am fine with infobot sitting in here. Jun 25 05:04:46 cool :D Jun 25 05:05:45 here goes nothing on the require ident mlock... Jun 25 05:06:01 test Jun 25 05:06:40 hey, I can see the inSender having the property Name, however if I do, var s = inSender.Name it gets me undefined.. Jun 25 05:06:57 in debug i can see inSender having the name set to pic1 Jun 25 05:07:00 needhelpwithwebO: pastebin the logging results Jun 25 05:07:16 i can't log with areas Jun 25 05:07:21 ares Jun 25 05:08:16 hmmm as cool as ares is, I don't think it's that useful yet.... now develop and deploy on tablet...mmmmm Jun 25 05:08:20 are there any SQLite experts in the house? Jun 25 05:09:08 EmmettLollis: depends on what you need... I'm an expert on *trying* to get it to work. Jun 25 05:09:33 anyone play with mysql? Jun 25 05:09:47 i'm doing a select statement and it keeps erroring out telling me that the table already exists... duh! i know it exists, thats why i'm querying it Jun 25 05:09:49 english can be stored as utf8_general_ci... what about german? Jun 25 05:10:06 here is the code: http://pastebin.com/KBm42950 Jun 25 05:10:32 tried commented out query and the commented out one, both same result Jun 25 05:10:43 here is what I am trying to do...http://pastebin.com/ip3KeBPz Jun 25 05:10:54 I believe that's why UTF8 is popular, it can hold most languages: http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/4.1/unicode.html Jun 25 05:11:02 But I'm not really an expert on it. Jun 25 05:12:13 hmmm....check to make sure your table is created properly... it might be an error on what happens before you make that query. Jun 25 05:12:24 @EmmettLollis Jun 25 05:12:59 i created the table and had a successful call to "insert" a record Jun 25 05:13:34 hmm, going to try something Jun 25 05:13:52 I wonder if somehow the comment is messing it up? Jun 25 05:13:59 I doubt it... Jun 25 05:14:31 hmmm Jun 25 05:14:39 so i can query my table in english... Jun 25 05:14:39 well the comment came after the error since i wanted to try a select * from table Jun 25 05:14:52 but when i query spanish... i get null for the item value Jun 25 05:15:01 so i don't know if it's the query or php Jun 25 05:15:21 php? Jun 25 05:15:58 hrm, what does "cannot call method 'transaction' of null" mean? Jun 25 05:16:24 that your db isn't defined Jun 25 05:16:32 hi MetaView Jun 25 05:16:34 MetaView: google translate: "Translation in progress" (english) -> "Translation in progress" (german) ...? does that seem right? Jun 25 05:16:36 must have commented out the wrong thing Jun 25 05:16:37 that this.dbHandle doesn't exist Jun 25 05:16:58 Errr... well not that it doesn't exist... but that's kind of the error Jun 25 05:17:14 Where are the Spinner images on the device? Jun 25 05:20:36 very odd... the error comes up way after the read function is over but i dont call the db anywhere after that Jun 25 05:21:19 okay, so it is php Jun 25 05:23:48 now the error vanished but i get no data... i hope it doesn't act like this when i release it, ugh Jun 25 05:25:54 EmmettLollis: http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef0133f0784471970b-pi Jun 25 05:26:34 hahahah Jun 25 05:26:40 perfect for this situation Jun 25 05:28:59 hrm Jun 25 05:30:52 Oooh, i'm actually receiving data :D Jun 25 05:31:36 test Jun 25 05:31:41 sweet! Jun 25 05:32:11 rwhitby: problem solved! Jun 25 05:32:55 dkirker: nice. thx Jun 25 05:33:23 I wish that my mods would talk to me before they set modes on the channel... Jun 25 05:33:34 hi all Jun 25 05:33:40 hi JenP Jun 25 05:33:41 hey JenP Jun 25 05:33:42 dkirker: you work at palm then? Jun 25 05:33:47 hi rod! Jun 25 05:33:50 I was here when it was set...the channel was getting flooded with thousands of logins/logouts Jun 25 05:33:55 I can't remember who set it, though Jun 25 05:34:01 Tibfib: no. I interned there for a couple summers (and hope to again next summer). Jun 25 05:34:12 dkirker: ah, nice Jun 25 05:34:24 sugardave: they had a good reason, but it doesn't need to remain permanent. Jun 25 05:34:54 and sadly, the mode does not show up in the info command to ChanServ Jun 25 05:34:55 Sheesh, who decided what unicode characters to include in the default font? Jun 25 05:35:07 dkirker: ah, that sucks Jun 25 05:52:42 Anyone know if webos can read from a rdb file? Using an http get? I figures it should... Jun 25 06:00:19 hi Jun 25 06:00:24 hey MetaView Jun 25 06:00:52 HattCzech: Translation in progress is hard to translate: Übersetzung in Arbeit Jun 25 06:00:57 could fit Jun 25 06:01:20 i figured google was wrong :) heheh Jun 25 06:01:32 thanks Jun 25 06:01:44 luckily, it's on the server side, so no biggie if it needs to change Jun 25 06:01:49 care to test? Jun 25 06:01:57 ugh, i've got a function where a read in a record and return a structure.. if i look at the data within the read function it's there, however when i call the function and put results in a variable the variable is blank... here is the code: http://pastebin.com/B7iwHWQj Jun 25 06:02:48 hi MetaView Jun 25 06:02:56 actually the log line that shoes rec= says "object Object" Jun 25 06:03:01 shows* Jun 25 06:03:40 HattCzech: yes Jun 25 06:04:50 i think i could use a good javascript book Jun 25 06:07:20 or w3schools Jun 25 06:08:11 checking it out, thanks Jun 25 06:09:00 w3schools is best web developing resource out there! Jun 25 06:09:36 awesome Jun 25 06:09:37 EmmettLollis: Object.toJSON(rec) and see what's in there Jun 25 06:09:52 ok i'll try that Jun 25 06:10:06 nice sunny morning here Jun 25 06:10:07 update a div with the output if you can't log Jun 25 06:11:24 weird.. the structure is correct but it's blank Jun 25 06:11:26 hmm Jun 25 06:12:12 MetaView: it's 1am here... heh. Jun 25 06:12:39 Not much sun here... I should go to bed. night all Jun 25 06:12:41 yeah, we stay up too late :) Jun 25 06:12:53 tib.. where are you located? Jun 25 06:12:59 Kansas! Jun 25 06:13:04 looks like topeka, ks :) Jun 25 06:13:05 sweet. i'm in tulsa Jun 25 06:13:09 Almost Jun 25 06:13:20 that's what swbell tells me ;) Jun 25 06:13:24 i used to live in Pittsburg, KS Jun 25 06:13:29 down in manhattan, an hour west of topeka Jun 25 06:13:37 ahhh okay Jun 25 06:14:53 yep yep, night all Jun 25 06:16:52 it is late, so i'm off as well Jun 25 06:17:02 g'night all (morning to some of you) ;) Jun 25 06:17:12 night hatt Jun 25 06:18:16 what would cause my code to run unsequentialy? Jun 25 06:18:25 I think that it is bed time for me as well. 'Night all. Jun 25 06:18:37 later dkirker Jun 25 06:19:05 n8 Jun 25 06:20:57 can a try/catch mess up the order that code is ran? Jun 25 06:23:05 or sqlite? Jun 25 06:24:54 EmmettLollis: Check out webos101.com Jun 25 06:25:00 There are some javascript resources there. Jun 25 06:26:33 EmmettLollis: all OnSucces/OnFailure etc run out of order to the main code Jun 25 06:26:45 Oooh Jun 25 06:30:21 maybe the Synchronize function will help Jun 25 06:36:55 bbl Jun 25 06:41:17 EmmettLollis: good f-ing luck with Synchronize Jun 25 06:41:35 it is hard to understand how to use it properly from the docs Jun 25 06:42:09 I thought I had a handle on it, but it fails miserably when running in an app-assistant instead of a stage-assistant, so not very useful Jun 25 06:42:09 i just tried setting a variable for function start/end but that didn't work, ugh Jun 25 06:42:14 no Jun 25 06:42:35 you have to kind of 'chain' your onSuccess calls to call the next thing if you want to wait for db responses Jun 25 06:43:11 ouch Jun 25 06:43:13 like, you can do youe data read in the stage-assistant, and the onsuccess is what pushes your first scene, then your data is ready Jun 25 06:43:31 there are probably other strategies, but that one works for me Jun 25 06:43:46 trying something... Jun 25 06:46:27 hrm Jun 25 06:47:05 well if i chain it then i get rid of the reason i turned my db functions into an object in the first place... must be another method.. checking into it Jun 25 06:48:15 EmmettLollis: you can still use db objects to encapsulate/re-use things, but you have to manage the asynchronicity of it all Jun 25 06:48:42 like Roy-Pre101 said, you should look at webos101, there is some good basic db stuff there Jun 25 06:49:05 will check it out Jun 25 06:49:33 I even have a basic set of db helper objects there Jun 25 06:49:45 oh sweet Jun 25 06:49:54 http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects Jun 25 06:50:29 dbColumn is 'meh', you don't have to make individual vars for each one, just use it in the dbTable columns array Jun 25 06:51:38 FYI: http://webos101.com/Cross-App_Launching Jun 25 06:51:48 fresh meat? Jun 25 06:51:49 (that's not for EmmettLollis but for everyone writing apps) Jun 25 06:51:51 yay! Jun 25 06:52:00 I've added a bunch of stuff lately. Jun 25 06:52:05 Sorta. Jun 25 06:52:48 I'll have to peruse some tomorrow, just sent this guy a first draft of the application, so I can take a break from coding while he dinks with it Jun 25 07:05:58 perl -pi -e 's:[^<]+::gi' index.html Jun 25 07:06:00 err Jun 25 07:06:02 sorry Jun 25 07:06:04 wrong window Jun 25 07:49:49 Hey guys.... Anybody awake right now who can help just a bit with the "Saved Package List" of Preware?? Jun 25 08:23:25 Roy-Pre101: Govnah does cross-app launching with ModeSwitcher :) Jun 25 08:26:45 rwhitby: Document away! Jun 25 08:30:33 Roy-Pre101: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Govnah#Relaunching_for_Cross-App_Integration Jun 25 08:30:43 Roy-Pre101: two-way launching :) Jun 25 08:32:01 I gotta say, this Preware Saved Package List and Save/Restore works pretty well. I've never had to use it seriously before, and it just works :) Jun 25 08:32:42 Interesting... I had problems with the saved package list, myself. It chokes and stops when a package cannot be reloaded. I suppose I should have done a bug report but I haven't had time to reproduce it. Jun 25 08:33:06 Roy-Pre101: what stopped the package from being reloaded? Did you have all the required feeds enabled? Jun 25 08:33:35 I believe some apps no longer existed in the feeds. Jun 25 08:34:10 It is also possible that some were alpha feed items. Jun 25 08:34:36 yeah, you want to have the alpha feeds enabled. Jun 25 08:35:11 I need sleep. I'll look at porting the docs over shortly if you don't beat me to it. Jun 25 08:35:44 I may have to change that table layout. Jun 25 08:35:46 Roy-Pre101: um, why copy? just link Jun 25 08:36:05 I will do both, a summary of the parameters and a link to the source. Jun 25 08:36:11 cool Jun 25 08:36:24 sleeping now. Jun 25 10:24:00 supp Jun 25 10:34:50 hi Jun 25 10:50:05 does anyone have much details on the next update. To many card error on Bell/Sprint pre and GPU acceleration on GUI? Jun 25 11:03:27 where should that information come from ? Jun 25 12:56:24 hello Jun 25 12:56:27 some1 here? Jun 25 12:59:38 yes Jun 25 13:01:18 bbl Jun 25 13:01:29 how do u set a Picture to not show in ares Jun 25 13:01:41 inSender.showing = false? Jun 25 13:04:49 how do u set a Picture to not show in ares Jun 25 13:04:50 inSender.showing = false? Jun 25 13:07:34 morning Jun 25 13:09:18 morning Jun 25 13:11:50 i'm not too familiar with ares Jun 25 13:12:02 otherwise i'd give you an answer Jun 25 13:16:28 it should be Jun 25 13:16:36 the same way u do it in eclipse i guess Jun 25 13:16:46 how do u set a button not visible? Jun 25 13:21:30 .hide() i think Jun 25 13:21:42 haven't done it with a button, but that should work Jun 25 13:22:01 hide works Jun 25 13:22:27 or display:'none' in css Jun 25 13:31:43 brb Jun 25 13:40:17 morning all Jun 25 13:40:45 hi jenp Jun 25 13:40:56 hi BigBiff_pre Jun 25 13:46:09 is there any place Jun 25 13:46:14 were i can find information about Jun 25 13:46:18 how to trigger an event Jun 25 13:46:21 after on tap Jun 25 13:46:35 what kind of event? Jun 25 13:47:19 well, I have an event that changes a picture after tap Jun 25 13:47:41 the problem is that if I want to display a picture Jun 25 13:47:48 and then change it after 3 seconds Jun 25 13:47:56 the event needs to finish first Jun 25 13:48:14 so i can change the picture Jun 25 13:48:29 what about putting a timer on the action? Jun 25 13:48:39 heh Jun 25 13:48:41 http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band Jun 25 13:48:46 look at all the videos of fail Jun 25 13:51:24 speaking of fail I've been getting really scared Jun 25 13:51:38 why torchie? Jun 25 13:51:48 this is the third day in a row my pre hasn't rung for a daily calendar event Jun 25 13:51:55 turn the phone on, I don't even see the event Jun 25 13:52:19 like it just doesn't have a notification or anything Jun 25 13:52:22 weak Jun 25 13:52:29 you can only have 36months of XBL service stackked up Jun 25 13:52:34 has anyone heard of a new Pre coming out for sprint yet? Jun 25 13:53:00 JenP: not yet... but i hope they give us something soon Jun 25 13:53:03 I haven't heard anything Jun 25 13:53:40 darn...my phones on its last leg so i'm trying to hold out till the next release. Jun 25 13:53:53 :d Jun 25 13:53:56 Jenp Jun 25 13:53:58 here is my method Jun 25 13:53:58 http://paste-it.net/public/beea19c/ Jun 25 13:54:31 if I am in the second try Jun 25 13:54:38 the user will never see the //change img source Jun 25 13:54:47 because it will be overwrite.. Jun 25 13:54:58 so I want to display //change img source Jun 25 13:55:09 and then change the imgsource.. Jun 25 13:55:23 all in 1 tap.. Jun 25 13:55:56 so needhelpwithwebO: maybe use the command menu and give the user left /right navigation? Jun 25 13:56:34 im not following at all Jun 25 13:56:59 weird seeing no 'this' :) Jun 25 13:57:15 damn it I thought I left this when I left treo pro Jun 25 13:57:19 theres this.getName, this.matchImg ..etc Jun 25 13:57:31 ahh Jun 25 13:57:38 those are other things that happen Jun 25 13:57:55 BigBiff_pre, but you're wright unless hes got a bunch of globals Jun 25 13:57:59 the main this is that I am unable to show an image until the Tap event ends.. Jun 25 13:58:06 ya Jun 25 13:58:15 wtf.. wright? doh Jun 25 13:58:34 i just woke up so forgive me :P Jun 25 13:58:53 yeah Jun 25 13:59:00 maybe because it is a web Jun 25 13:59:08 it needs to refresh to show image? Jun 25 13:59:12 no Jun 25 13:59:25 me 2 :) Jun 25 13:59:44 me 3 Jun 25 13:59:45 i still dont understand this..maybe some documentation on events will help.. Jun 25 13:59:49 hmm - drPodder won't download webOSroundup Podcast #4 for me Jun 25 14:01:02 * BigBiff_pre is very lost.. as usual Jun 25 14:01:10 me too Jun 25 14:01:19 hehe Jun 25 14:01:22 maybe WebOS is not for me Jun 25 14:01:23 lol Jun 25 14:01:40 nah, Jun 25 14:06:43 needhelpwithwebO: JenPs suggestion should work of using a setTimeout() Jun 25 14:07:14 for 2nd image change Jun 25 14:08:01 only problem is, how long does it take the image to render? Jun 25 14:08:28 (cant see the source on me pre) Jun 25 14:08:47 is it pulling from the web? Jun 25 14:09:54 computer issues... need to restart... brb Jun 25 14:09:55 maybe setup a preload image function, so when an image loads the second one loads in the background Jun 25 14:10:01 well Jun 25 14:10:05 what happen is that Jun 25 14:10:15 when the user clicks I should show an image Jun 25 14:10:30 and if the image dosent match the previous iamge Jun 25 14:10:40 then I need to revert back to the original image Jun 25 14:10:44 in other words... Jun 25 14:10:56 tap 1) image = 1 Jun 25 14:11:05 tap # 2) image = 2 Jun 25 14:11:11 image 1 != image 2 Jun 25 14:11:19 so change back to original image.. Jun 25 14:11:29 the problem is that I need to show image 2 Jun 25 14:11:42 before reverting back to the original image.. Jun 25 14:11:48 this is a tic tac toe game. Jun 25 14:12:01 ya, setTimeout Jun 25 14:12:11 agreed Jun 25 14:12:14 have code example? Jun 25 14:13:34 have you seen this? http://www.jsmadeeasy.com/javascripts/Games/Tic-Tac-Toe/index.htm Jun 25 14:14:24 lol no.. Jun 25 14:14:35 but i was talking about the setTimeout example Jun 25 14:14:37 in mojo Jun 25 14:14:38 i kinda like this one better http://www.java2s.com/Code/JavaScript/Page-Components/Tictactoe.htm Jun 25 14:16:19 setTimeout is just vanilla javascript Jun 25 14:16:22 maybe on tap event do this -->this.controller.window.setTimeout(this.waitForPicLoad.bind(this), 2500); Jun 25 14:16:56 cool Jun 25 14:17:02 very l33t command JenP Jun 25 14:17:42 BigBiff_pre hows the app coming? you ready to release? Jun 25 14:18:06 hehe, haven't had a comp for a week Jun 25 14:18:19 oh no. what happened? Jun 25 14:18:24 haven't worked on apps for about 3 Jun 25 14:18:34 motherboard Jun 25 14:18:38 dead Jun 25 14:19:21 oh that sucks Jun 25 14:19:51 hp sposed to replace, but they'll probably determine it's my fault so.. Jun 25 14:20:08 we'll see Jun 25 14:20:23 lol Jun 25 14:20:49 other app is close, still more photoshop work thoug Jun 25 14:21:00 +h Jun 25 14:21:54 I still don't think my river ap is 'pretty' enough for acceptance Jun 25 14:22:53 well let me know when you want me to look at pretting it up Jun 25 14:23:17 we'll do :) Jun 25 14:24:00 will? we'll? Jun 25 14:29:22 kk gotta run errands ttyl Jun 25 14:38:27 anyone know metaview's real name? (got an e-mail that i think is from him, but need to confirm) Jun 25 14:42:01 or any german speakers around? Jun 25 14:44:23 is anyone around? Jun 25 14:56:00 ooohhh... e-mail confirming that i submitted my app Jun 25 14:59:02 wow. Jun 25 14:59:16 maybe they'll email you when it's published as well... Jun 25 15:00:29 when you update an app on the appCatalog, does it need to be reviewed or is it instantly available ? Jun 25 15:00:53 reviewed Jun 25 15:01:20 each time you submit an app or update an app, it gets reviewed Jun 25 15:01:32 usually takes 2-4 days Jun 25 15:04:19 can you disable the app while it is being reviewed ? For example if you need to make an important fix and want to prevent people from downloading it while it isn't fixed Jun 25 15:18:08 good morning Jun 25 15:19:47 good afternoon Jun 25 15:24:32 mornin Jun 25 15:24:36 mmmmm coffee Jun 25 15:24:56 diet coke? Jun 25 15:24:59 hmm Jun 25 15:25:05 yarr Jun 25 15:26:02 Famic: re: disabling existing app while new version is reviews, I don't think you can do that Jun 25 15:26:19 why would you do that ? :) Jun 25 15:26:24 not through Palm app catalog anyway...if you're doing it all from the cloud, then you can do whatever you please Jun 25 15:26:27 hello friends Jun 25 15:26:43 hi dpivs Jun 25 15:26:49 hi sugardave Jun 25 15:27:19 hello friends ans sugardave Jun 25 15:27:20 and Jun 25 15:27:47 too bad they didn't think about it. They should learn from Apple about release control. Jun 25 15:27:55 sugardave, any idea where the large spinner image is on the device? I want to use is as a low res image for my ImageViewer widget, while the high res image pulls down over the air Jun 25 15:28:18 sugardave... do you ever sleep? Jun 25 15:37:57 hemna: I don't....but I might be able to find it Jun 25 15:38:02 EmmettLollis: I do, just not much Jun 25 15:38:49 Sleep? Who needs that? :P Jun 25 15:39:10 morning chuqui! Jun 25 15:39:16 morning! Jun 25 15:40:56 chuqui up early Jun 25 15:41:24 HattCzech_work did you ever get your chuq question answered...? Jun 25 15:42:41 hemna: [SDK installation dir]/share/refcode/images/activity-loop-grey-48x48.png is one of them Jun 25 15:43:02 hemna: there are others, looks like they do a bunch of fancy "tall graphics layouts" and switch offsets a lot Jun 25 15:43:52 ah ok. probably to reduce file system loading....it's easier to load 1 image, cache it and offset into that image for the one you want I suppose Jun 25 15:44:04 actually about normal for me... Jun 25 15:44:28 there's also a 'white' one, and one grey and white with no size associated with them Jun 25 15:45:01 * sugardave pees in haeffb's coffee while he's not looking. Jun 25 15:45:28 eewwww Jun 25 15:45:57 hey, what are foes for? Jun 25 15:46:49 target practice! Jun 25 15:47:18 I think this app is almost done...need to add a couple of good-looking scroll fades and one more popup notice when the ringtone has finished downloading Jun 25 15:47:31 I get to go to the wonderful world of frys to pick up a new video card today... Jun 25 15:48:03 fry's is always fun. Jun 25 15:48:33 * haeffb needs css help! Jun 25 15:48:43 I love Fry's, but the employees are crap Jun 25 15:48:54 ooo, haeffb I can mess you up real good Jun 25 15:48:57 yup Jun 25 15:49:06 i love fries, but the burgers are crap Jun 25 15:49:18 sorry, i'm not sure why i couldn't resist Jun 25 15:49:18 sugardave: haha that's true, that's why I rarely talk to them. Jun 25 15:49:23 maik: you obviously don't have Whataburger where you are Jun 25 15:49:30 Whenever I go to Fry's, It either takes me 20 minutes to get out or 3 hours Jun 25 15:49:32 trying to add a div with {width: 55px; height: 100%; float: left;} to subtasks in my tasks list Jun 25 15:49:45 to make them indented by 55px Jun 25 15:50:03 thats to much work Jun 25 15:50:05 but unless I put something in that div it doesn't show up Jun 25 15:50:14 height 1px Jun 25 15:50:45 halfhalo: yeah, set height to the actual height of the space Jun 25 15:50:50 but I don't want other stuff to wrap below them Jun 25 15:51:39 then make a div inside the div with a height of 1px and a width of 1px Jun 25 15:51:51 OR, use position: absolute, left: 55px; on the other element Jun 25 15:52:01 thats to much effort Jun 25 15:52:10 it's 2 lines of css Jun 25 15:52:20 2 lines of to much effort Jun 25 15:52:21 no, there's a bunch of other elements Jun 25 15:52:27 oh Jun 25 15:53:13 Hello? Jun 25 15:53:27 * sugardave would wrap everything he wanted to the right in one div and position that div accordingly. Jun 25 15:53:40 nope :( Jun 25 15:54:04 or margin-left 55px; // that's only ONE line of CSS :P Jun 25 15:54:18 http://img59.imageshack.us/i/capturenef.png/ Jun 25 15:54:22 maik: oh, that's too bad. I'm sorry Jun 25 15:54:31 Hey I heard flash player was release June 21st when will we get it for webos? Jun 25 15:54:44 when I get my money Jun 25 15:55:05 halfhalo: okay, so which part is bad? Jun 25 15:55:07 Anybody knows? Jun 25 15:55:09 er haeffb Jun 25 15:55:20 thx :/ Jun 25 15:55:25 palmpreuser1001: you can bet SOMEbody in this channel knows Jun 25 15:55:34 whats bad of what…. Jun 25 15:55:39 I'm looking at you, chuqui Jun 25 15:55:42 halfhalo: mis-send Jun 25 15:55:47 knows what ? Jun 25 15:55:51 ….. Jun 25 15:56:32 warpdesign_: when Flash is coming to make everything suck^H^H^H^Hawesome Jun 25 15:56:39 http://img651.imageshack.us/i/captureqet.png/ Jun 25 15:56:50 (combs hair) Jun 25 15:57:03 difference between two captures is adding '-' into the div Jun 25 15:57:19 I'm tired of waiting for flash seeing android has it Jun 25 15:57:20 which makes it do what I want, but with the '-' in there. Jun 25 15:57:38 Was it a hoax or what? Jun 25 15:57:56 hi Jun 25 15:57:58 Sugardave: what up? Jun 25 15:58:04 haeffb: the bottom two with the checkboxk to the right of the line? Jun 25 15:58:12 palmpreuser1001: l i v i n Jun 25 15:58:16 yep, want subtasks indented by 55px Jun 25 15:58:54 what's causing that one on top to wrap like that? the icon? Jun 25 15:59:02 oh! Jun 25 15:59:04 that's a parent Jun 25 15:59:06 I see Jun 25 15:59:08 Sugardave: Oh that's that huh lol Jun 25 15:59:18 hm.. it's nice these "-" ;) Jun 25 16:00:10 no, these '-' sucks. Jun 25 16:00:21 Should we make the switch to evo or wait for palm's next update which we hadn't seen in 3 months thus far Jun 25 16:00:30 haeffb: are those different object? I mean does the template render them from a different line than the parent? Jun 25 16:00:31 but the indent doesn't happen unless I put something in there... Jun 25 16:00:39 yes Jun 25 16:00:55 each is a different item in the list Jun 25 16:01:18 hang on, let me put up an example of my question Jun 25 16:01:18 tasks can have a parent property --> which points to the id of the parent task. Jun 25 16:01:38 do use parentFormatted to add a css class to indent. Jun 25 16:01:46 s/do/so Jun 25 16:02:05 wasn't a webos update imminent ? Jun 25 16:02:10 heard about that a few days ago Jun 25 16:02:13 how imminent Jun 25 16:02:19 I think it'll come july 1st Jun 25 16:02:50 it'll come july 4th to celebrate our independence from alien invaders. Jun 25 16:02:54 torchie: how do you knw? Jun 25 16:03:08 well that's when the PDK hot apps program starts right Jun 25 16:03:16 palmpreuser1001: nobody knows except Palm and they won't say. Jun 25 16:03:17 and the new update is apparently big on PDK Jun 25 16:03:42
Jun 25 16:04:01 chuqui: what's palm's policy on app catalog apps launching com.palm apps not creating by palm? Jun 25 16:04:11 created* Jun 25 16:04:13 Palm doesn't exist n e more...last I heard was HP bought it and that's that..spell da end for webos! Jun 25 16:04:21 add another class in there on the subtask line and do the css magic with that Jun 25 16:04:22 bbl Jun 25 16:04:25 http://webos.pastebin.com/DA6CQdYq Jun 25 16:04:28 where parentFormatted resolves to : {width: 55px; height: 100%; float: left;} Jun 25 16:05:20 I'm so glad I'm eligible for full upgrade with sprint my contract is up this month but should I make the switch or no? Jun 25 16:05:54 http://webos.pastebin.com/dcfCZQb1 Jun 25 16:06:24 contract is up? or eligible for upgrade? Jun 25 16:06:35 palmpreuser1001: that is entirely your decision. Personally, I don't see another mobile OS out there that would make me switch from webOS... Jun 25 16:06:50 i'm with haeffb on that one Jun 25 16:07:20 so, sugardave: the question is why does that div not get added unless it contains text? Jun 25 16:07:20 yeah I'm not so keen on the android interface or internals really Jun 25 16:07:21 haeffb: http://webos.pastebin.com/Qt7xDa2v Jun 25 16:07:35 that's the css I use, it's basically the opposite of what you are trying to do Jun 25 16:07:54 anytime it's a foler item in the list, I float right a graphic and then pad it back to the left slightly Jun 25 16:08:00 Haeffb: before webos came.. What mobile OS did you work with? Jun 25 16:08:18 palm for years. winMob for about a year. Jun 25 16:08:29 yeah I had a centro then a treo pro Jun 25 16:08:32 have played with android, but not used it on a regular basis Jun 25 16:08:40 all I have to say is windows mobile isn't something you work with Jun 25 16:08:45 it's something you work against Jun 25 16:09:07 oh, it was great flashing new ROMs every other week.... :) Jun 25 16:09:15 haeffb! you should be ashamed of yourself using 'id' in your item template Jun 25 16:09:22 yeah, yeah. Jun 25 16:09:28 id's ok, just not for a widget. Jun 25 16:09:28 WinMob when I started but before that I had the tmobile sidekick if you call that a smartphone Jun 25 16:10:03 Never used palm tho until I used the palm treo 750 that how I ended up here. Jun 25 16:10:14 this is my first mobile os. i've used palms for a while though. Jun 25 16:10:51 but I prolly should clean that up. Jun 25 16:11:32 sugardave: I have two icons floated left and up to two icons floated right. and text in between. Jun 25 16:11:35 haeffb: if you set an actual height instead of 100% does it change the look? Jun 25 16:12:34 son of a sugardave! that did it! Jun 25 16:12:40 heh Jun 25 16:13:15 HattCzech_work: got my email? Jun 25 16:13:16 how long does it take to review a paid app normally? Jun 25 16:13:26 hours to weeks Jun 25 16:13:30 frick Jun 25 16:13:40 Haeffb: but what I'm askin is..what made you switch to webos when there are other smartphones like nokia is, winmob and android..why webos? Jun 25 16:13:51 I think the outside is days now, but I'm just going on my last exeperiences Jun 25 16:14:05 it's been 3 :( Jun 25 16:14:10 well, 2.5 i guess Jun 25 16:14:45 And I bought a lot of apps from the app catalogue then I care to admit ...cuz some useless some helped but overall aw man.. It gets better with technology.. Isn't palm pre getting old now? Jun 25 16:14:56 I decided to get a Pre because I enjoyed PalmOS on my Treo755p, and I read a bunch of cool stuff about it AND it seemed like a good way to break into app dev for a non-programmer like myself Jun 25 16:15:14 it's only a year old Jun 25 16:15:54 heh. i bought a Pre because i hated winmo and i hated PalmOS, but WebOS looked sexy Jun 25 16:16:10 and turns out it was a dream to develop for, for a semi-programmer like myself :D Jun 25 16:16:15 win! Jun 25 16:16:21 mmm. I can't believe that it has been a year. It feels like longer (well, I guess for me the Pre has existed for longer). Jun 25 16:16:33 yes, us mortals had to wait Jun 25 16:16:33 and i really wanted an iPhone, but fuck at&t, and gsm service sucks around here Jun 25 16:16:48 the iphone is only available through at&t in the us ? Jun 25 16:16:53 and now i don't want an iphone at all Jun 25 16:16:54 yeah, AT&T and me...well, we don't get along that well Jun 25 16:16:58 warpdesign_: yes Jun 25 16:17:07 didn't know that Jun 25 16:17:09 funny Jun 25 16:17:10 * dkirker toasts to the Pre and webOS Jun 25 16:17:11 though you can buy an unlocked one and use it on t-mobile Jun 25 16:17:16 * dkirker drinks his milk Jun 25 16:17:23 it is available from all 3 french carriers here Jun 25 16:17:42 palmpreuser1001: I bought a Pre after I downloaded the SDK and ran the emulator and was blown away by how awesome it was... :) Jun 25 16:17:42 such is life in the states Jun 25 16:17:48 my idiot sister-in-law got an iPhone about 3 months ago....I was like "wtf, you KNOW I develop apps on the Palm platform and etc. etc." Jun 25 16:17:53 on the contrary, the pre/pixi are exclusive to one.. Jun 25 16:17:54 she's a brand-whore Jun 25 16:18:10 hah, now that's funny Jun 25 16:18:25 sugardave: It's alright. I had to wait for the Pre Plus on Verizon before I could actually own a Pre. So I was teased for a whole year. :( Jun 25 16:18:33 well I used to hold iphone 4 as the best phone ever for the materials and design alone Jun 25 16:18:52 except you cannot hold it if your left-handed :p Jun 25 16:18:52 dkirker: yeah...I like the Plus but I didn't want to swtich carriers....sprint does well for me here Jun 25 16:18:58 but since the screen cracks and reception issues Jun 25 16:19:00 I'm not so sure Jun 25 16:19:17 sugardave: whole family is on Verizon. Almost ever last one of them. I'm kinda stuck for now. Jun 25 16:19:24 * sugardave hopes Sprint/Palm are good to us. Jun 25 16:19:30 hehe Jun 25 16:19:36 haha sugardave, my sister-in-law got an iphone too. but she was already on att and pre plus hadn't come yet so i couldn't give her a good reason not to :( Jun 25 16:19:37 i'm really excited for the next WebOS phone, that will likely be the deciding factor of whether or not i move to android Jun 25 16:19:38 same for me, don't want to switch carrier, so i have to wait Jun 25 16:19:41 here's to hoping for palm's next slider to have a tank-iron mechanism Jun 25 16:19:53 tank-iron? Jun 25 16:20:02 tank iron! Jun 25 16:20:02 do you all think they will be a next phone ? I'm not so sure Jun 25 16:20:08 but they have to release it fast anyway Jun 25 16:20:08 dpivs: even more insulting...she had to MOVE from Verizon to AT&T Jun 25 16:20:10 slide a billion times and nary a scratch to be present! Jun 25 16:20:14 !google tank-iron Jun 25 16:20:41 a'ight, work time. Talk to everyone in a bit! Jun 25 16:20:42 sugardave: haha, oh man. Jun 25 16:20:51 dkirker: ciao Jun 25 16:20:54 I've been with sprint/palm forever Jun 25 16:21:02 ciao sugardave Jun 25 16:21:05 and by "forever" I mean since centro, lol. Jun 25 16:21:20 so maybe not forever Jun 25 16:21:21 I think I'm in year 3 on Sprint Jun 25 16:21:24 <3 Centro Jun 25 16:21:40 centro was awesome Jun 25 16:21:52 I loved my Treo755p...bad-ass paperless geocaching setup Jun 25 16:21:54 durable, reliable, still had a little fight in it Jun 25 16:22:10 oooo! 2 or 3 more years until my ten year with the PalmOS :) Jun 25 16:22:11 treo pro was absolute bullcrap though Jun 25 16:22:34 couldn't count on the thing to take a call or for the alarm to ring in the morning Jun 25 16:22:49 was the current Palm CEO at Palm before webos was created ? or was he brought here for it ? Jun 25 16:22:53 just curious Jun 25 16:22:56 torchie: didn't run PalmOS, did it? I think I got the last phone that ran it Jun 25 16:22:57 he was there Jun 25 16:23:00 He came after webOS Jun 25 16:23:05 sugar yeah, it was winmo 6.1 Jun 25 16:23:06 oh really ? Jun 25 16:23:09 didn't know that Jun 25 16:23:10 he was there Jun 25 16:23:10 welll Jun 25 16:23:14 is jon rubenstein still current? Jun 25 16:23:16 he started in 2006 Jun 25 16:23:25 when was webos started ? Jun 25 16:23:31 Ed was there for the pre-public stuff, IIRC Jun 25 16:23:32 2007-ish Jun 25 16:23:39 ok Jun 25 16:23:55 yeah ed was before pre Jun 25 16:24:06 man, that was 3 years ago... I just barely remember Jun 25 16:24:10 and a little during Jun 25 16:24:12 still remember David Nagel Jun 25 16:24:12 yes ed wasn't doing a good job Jun 25 16:24:17 sort of? Jun 25 16:24:21 have a picture with him in munich :) Jun 25 16:24:23 wasn't doing a good job ? Jun 25 16:24:25 why is that ? Jun 25 16:24:28 jon left apple in 2006 and joined in 2007 Jun 25 16:24:32 * haeffb started with Palm on an m505 Jun 25 16:24:43 uhhh do you not remember palm in 2005-2008 Jun 25 16:24:48 * MetaView started with a m100 in 2002(?) Jun 25 16:24:49 i started with the zire lol Jun 25 16:24:56 200something Jun 25 16:25:12 I never used any palm stuff before playing with the sdk early this year Jun 25 16:25:18 black and white, no backlight, but that thing had pocketC and a game boy emulator and god was it awesome Jun 25 16:25:19 HattCzech_work: I haven't tried it yet, but I bet my workaround for setting cross-app variables as contacts will work Jun 25 16:25:32 had heard about palm os though, mostly through the buyout of BeOS.. but that was a long time ago :) Jun 25 16:25:44 we should make a BeOS phone Jun 25 16:25:47 a haiku phone! Jun 25 16:25:57 OS/2 Jun 25 16:26:01 Question: I'm using the webview widget. It looks like you can only pass a URL. How can I pass it HTTP Post? Jun 25 16:26:16 and lost interest when i discovered they would ditch beos and just use some components and the engeeners.. Jun 25 16:26:25 hope the same won't happen with palm/hp now Jun 25 16:26:36 yeah I'm scared that there just aren't gonna be webOS phones anymore Jun 25 16:26:39 I don't think webOS is going anywhere Jun 25 16:26:43 I hope not, anyway Jun 25 16:26:45 I mean if there was a tablet that'd be fly Jun 25 16:26:57 torchie, indeed Jun 25 16:27:03 but tablets don't fit in pockets Jun 25 16:27:07 true Jun 25 16:27:07 oh, BeOS... i tried that :) Jun 25 16:27:13 MetaView: yes, thanks Jun 25 16:27:28 unfortunately, i pushed out an update before making those changes Jun 25 16:27:33 so they'll go in 1.0.8 Jun 25 16:28:15 urg... webchat doesn't want to work for me today... it won't show me recent messages... i have to scroll manually... anyone know how to fix that? Jun 25 16:28:37 or maybe working now? Jun 25 16:28:42 hmmm, okay, nevermind Jun 25 16:29:06 arg! no, still does it sporadically Jun 25 16:29:27 * sugardave points and laughs at HattCzech_work. Jun 25 16:29:53 * HattCzech_work cries and runs to the bathroom Jun 25 16:30:01 haha Jun 25 16:32:24 Torchie: iphone 4? Wth!!!! Is that a joke? Jun 25 16:33:26 nope Jun 25 16:33:52 so Jun 25 16:33:58 any guesses when palm/hp will announce a new phone Jun 25 16:34:10 and how they are going to handle new resolutions like 960x480? Jun 25 16:34:17 with backwards compatability Jun 25 16:34:48 every interaction I've ever had with an iphone has been extremely fast/smooth, intuitive, and reliable Jun 25 16:35:50 deliciousmorsel: I guess we can look at how gracefully webOS adapted to the resolution of the pixi Jun 25 16:36:01 nah its not the same Jun 25 16:36:05 cause that didn't do anything Jun 25 16:36:05 really? Jun 25 16:36:05 960 is quite a big change Jun 25 16:36:16 imagine doing 16pt font Jun 25 16:36:18 we only lost 80px of height on the Pixi Jun 25 16:36:22 on that dpi Jun 25 16:36:27 you wouldn't be able to read it Jun 25 16:36:34 the dpi on the pixi is so similar to the pre Jun 25 16:36:35 it works Jun 25 16:36:39 well if they just double the pixels they'd be okay, the only problem would be upscaled images right? Jun 25 16:36:51 but the dpi is soooo dense on the iphone4/driodX etc Jun 25 16:36:57 that it would have to scale old apps x2 Jun 25 16:37:04 or you wouldn't be able to read anything Jun 25 16:37:15 well how would they do that Jun 25 16:37:17 its a browser Jun 25 16:37:23 would they just use webkit zoom? Jun 25 16:37:30 I guess Jun 25 16:37:31 cause that would slow the processing down Jun 25 16:37:39 then again the new device would have to have a WAYYYY faster proc Jun 25 16:37:52 so it might not matter cause old apps are designed for the slow ones on the pre and pixi Jun 25 16:37:57 brb, this irc thing is irritating me to no end Jun 25 16:39:03 the v2 PRe Jun 25 16:39:24 i'm hoping for a TI Omap 3630 Jun 25 16:39:27 The Pre Squared Jun 25 16:39:28 mmmmm Jun 25 16:39:33 all the specifications have been squared Jun 25 16:39:33 yes lol Jun 25 16:39:38 there is now 65 gigabytes of RAM Jun 25 16:39:40 let's hope it scrolls this time around Jun 25 16:39:52 the camera would still blow Jun 25 16:39:54 hahah Jun 25 16:40:02 I like the camera on the pre :( Jun 25 16:40:06 unless you dd the resolution Jun 25 16:40:10 squred Jun 25 16:40:11 not the mp Jun 25 16:40:31 how about squaring the lens quality Jun 25 16:40:34 my iphone 3g back in the day was comparable Jun 25 16:40:41 3gs is better Jun 25 16:40:46 4 is tons better Jun 25 16:40:56 * torchie shrug, Jun 25 16:40:57 3g was a year old when it had an equal camera to the pre Jun 25 16:41:02 centro and treo pro had crappy cameras Jun 25 16:41:09 3 mp with flash is a godsend in comparison Jun 25 16:41:13 lol true Jun 25 16:41:25 it really is a huge HUGE diference between the treo and even treo pro Jun 25 16:41:40 yeah I think it was the 650 that had a .3 mp? Jun 25 16:41:48 640x480 Jun 25 16:41:50 right? Jun 25 16:41:56 yeah Jun 25 16:42:00 though, Jun 25 16:42:03 I'm caring less and less about the resolution of the image I get and more about the clarity of the image Jun 25 16:42:13 same Jun 25 16:42:14 like when I take pictures of things I like to see them Jun 25 16:42:14 and focus ability Jun 25 16:42:15 the Evo 4g Jun 25 16:42:18 awful camera Jun 25 16:42:21 one of the worst Jun 25 16:42:25 yeah is there any phone with a macro mode yet Jun 25 16:42:27 they just tried to slam 8mp into it Jun 25 16:42:37 because I was playing with this cybershot that had it and it was awesome Jun 25 16:42:50 iphone can kinda do macro Jun 25 16:42:56 maybe the nexus? i just see those barcode tags and it can focus on those really close Jun 25 16:42:57 gettin all close up to things, sometimes I need to take a picture of a typed page Jun 25 16:42:58 you have to be at least 4 inches away Jun 25 16:43:11 at 4 inches it can focus decently Jun 25 16:45:30 i dont think this will work but i was wondering if in javascript you can pass an argument by reference and update it? Jun 25 16:45:54 yea Jun 25 16:46:08 its always by ref if its an aobject Jun 25 16:46:26 there's always the cd-rom lens macro hack Jun 25 16:46:32 hahaa Jun 25 16:46:39 what if you used a blu-ray lens Jun 25 16:46:44 would that make it even better? Jun 25 16:46:46 lol Jun 25 16:46:48 so i can pass an argument MyData, update it in the function and read the updated variables after the function is called? Jun 25 16:47:15 thats how models for widgets work Jun 25 16:47:22 you give it an object Jun 25 16:47:27 and you retain it Jun 25 16:47:27 awesome Jun 25 16:47:28 if MyData is global or in the scope of the function you're accessing it in Jun 25 16:47:31 it does async modification Jun 25 16:47:39 then you just look at your retained version Jun 25 16:48:19 reason i was asking is i was going to pass my list to the function so it could update onSuccess in the db class Jun 25 16:48:19 EmmettLollis: by default, all javascript variables are passed be reference....I think. at least most of them are Jun 25 16:48:57 sounds awesome Jun 25 16:48:59 :D Jun 25 16:49:01 EmmettLollis: technically, you can just pass the items array and update that...arrays are definitely passed by reference Jun 25 16:49:12 ok cool Jun 25 16:49:53 depending on where you're doing it, though, calling modelChanged might be tricky Jun 25 16:50:38 I like to use the long method: Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().modelChanged(theModel); Jun 25 16:50:45 and it should work anywhere Jun 25 16:51:18 ahh chaining Jun 25 16:51:26 that assumes that the activescene owns the model Jun 25 16:51:28 right? Jun 25 16:51:32 true Jun 25 16:51:33 or the widget Jun 25 16:51:51 but hopefully it does, otherwise why would you be calling modelChanged? Jun 25 16:51:59 lol i dunno Jun 25 16:52:01 just saying Jun 25 16:52:02 hehe Jun 25 16:52:59 EmmettLollis: if you want to be super-picky, pass a reference to the scene controller, too Jun 25 16:55:03 canon t1i for $420 at fry's!? Jun 25 16:55:14 is that why someone said they were going there earlier? Jun 25 16:55:27 HattCzech_work: is that cheap? Jun 25 16:55:50 OMG Jun 25 16:55:52 really? Jun 25 16:55:58 where did you see that deal? Jun 25 16:56:29 apparently the dallas, tx fry's Jun 25 16:56:38 i'm going to check the one in austin here soon Jun 25 16:56:43 lamers Jun 25 16:56:50 dpivs: yeah, that's a pretty nice deal Jun 25 16:57:15 amazon has it for $700 Jun 25 16:58:47 be back shortly... going to check it out Jun 25 16:59:16 all these books are flooding the market Jun 25 17:00:45 hmmm....so virtualpageheight/width attributes for the webView are deprecated, but if I remove them, it ignores my scroller area Jun 25 17:02:50 set the width/height in the scroller... not in the webview... Jun 25 17:02:57 it is set there Jun 25 17:03:11 I mean, I have set the height/width of the scroller already Jun 25 17:03:18 ah well... worth a shot :) Jun 25 17:03:33 that's what I was think of Jun 25 17:03:34 if I don't put something in virtualpageheight, though, it just ignores it completely and you can scroll up forever Jun 25 17:03:42 ooooh Jun 25 17:04:05 of course, viewport meta is not set in the source...will have to call the guy and arrange for some testing Jun 25 17:04:07 I haven't used a webview yet... sorry I can't help... Jun 25 17:04:12 np Jun 25 17:04:26 does webview support http post.. I only see a URL parameter Jun 25 17:04:35 Guest14800: I don't think it does Jun 25 17:04:57 you would have to go to the form and have user's enter their to make it post, I think Jun 25 17:05:04 users enter there Jun 25 17:05:06 holy crap Jun 25 17:05:42 it's like my brain is stuck in homophone mode Jun 25 17:05:55 thanks sugardave. That really stinks.. Jun 25 17:06:19 Guest14800: I could be totally wrong, but the methods don't appear to be parameter friendly for post Jun 25 17:09:20 if you want to change the css style of widget during run time. Can you do something $('widget').style = ? Jun 25 17:09:47 $('…').setStyle({}); Jun 25 17:09:52 more like $('widget').style.[whatstyle] = ''; Jun 25 17:09:59 but, yes Jun 25 17:10:10 $('…').setStyle({fontSize: '12px' , color: 'blue'}); Jun 25 17:10:22 yeah Jun 25 17:10:25 that works Jun 25 17:10:29 but i'd suggest just adding classes and removing them Jun 25 17:10:36 keep yourself more organized Jun 25 17:11:08 you can even do webkt-transitions to make it tween Jun 25 17:11:11 if you do that Jun 25 17:11:16 well either way you can Jun 25 17:12:15 cool! exactly what I was wanting to do.. You guys rock. Jun 25 17:12:21 One of the challenges that I have is determining what methods exist on object during debugging? Any tips? Jun 25 17:13:03 Guest14800: are you using straight Mojo or Ares? Jun 25 17:13:23 straight Mojo. I'm willing to use Ares if that helps Jun 25 17:13:27 no Jun 25 17:13:29 hang on a sec Jun 25 17:13:51 http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Jun 25 17:14:01 That is what I use for debugging Jun 25 17:14:42 Guest14800: http://webos.pastebin.com/jYFxX0NR Jun 25 17:14:49 those are my simple debug methods Jun 25 17:14:52 sugardave: Note that virtualpageheight and virtualpagewidth attributes are deprecated. The supported method for controlling the size of content within a WebView is to use a viewport meta tag in the target HTML file. Jun 25 17:14:57 debuugObject(object) will do what you want Jun 25 17:15:27 DaveSoft: yeah, I saw that....I have to call the guy who I'm writing this app for and arrange for some HTML changes and testing time Jun 25 17:15:45 Guest14800: note that all those debugs will go to /var/log/messages Jun 25 17:15:57 so, you can put a tail on it to see it in real-time or look at the log later Jun 25 17:16:14 DaveSoft: thanks Jun 25 17:16:20 np Jun 25 17:17:16 thanks! Jun 25 17:17:32 you bet Jun 25 17:19:52 pandora--: You logged out minutes before I needed to talk to you about Yalm Jun 25 17:22:33 I began updating my app in the appCatalog but didn't send the right .ipk. Now I have One published app and one Submitted app (status incomplete). Can I safely "delete" the incomplete app and try again ? Jun 25 17:23:18 yeah or you can restart the submission Jun 25 17:23:25 rather finish Jun 25 17:24:09 I just want to replace the ipk file, but there is no input field anymore :/ Jun 25 17:24:38 then you should just delete it and restart a new submission Jun 25 17:25:02 bbiab gonna play more blur Jun 25 17:27:08 any Prototype gurus around? Jun 25 17:27:33 sugardave: The debug is great. I was expecting to see setStyle but it does not show. Jun 25 17:27:38 does webos have anything like an error console Jun 25 17:27:57 * haeffb wants to use indexOf with an array of objects but only one key: value pair from the object. Jun 25 17:28:15 eh? Jun 25 17:28:35 haeffb: try #prototype Jun 25 17:28:48 your just trying to get the index of something Jun 25 17:28:57 by an identifier inside an object in the array? Jun 25 17:29:02 yep Jun 25 17:29:04 cause that wont work Jun 25 17:29:08 you'll have to loop Jun 25 17:29:12 I am looping Jun 25 17:29:13 indexOf only does a === check Jun 25 17:29:19 I don't want to loop Jun 25 17:29:28 if there's an easier way Jun 25 17:29:33 well indexof does a loop Jun 25 17:29:34 lol Jun 25 17:29:38 but there isn't really Jun 25 17:30:17 you'll have to loop Jun 25 17:33:20 ok, I'm looping. Jun 25 17:39:17 deliciousmorsel: what does === do in js? Jun 25 17:40:29 value AND type Jun 25 17:41:16 pandora--: Yalm came up in the podcast. Jun 25 17:41:30 I tried to talk to you before the podcast to get some feedback on the future direction Jun 25 17:42:11 shoot how do you copy text from a web page? Jun 25 17:44:17 so no canon t1i at the austin fry's Jun 25 17:44:23 unfortunately Jun 25 17:46:29 I'm wondering if I should build in a simple twitter poster just to make it easier to tweet from my app. I'll be calling Twee but cycling through all the apps will be a pain. Jun 25 17:47:01 Not sure I want to try to figure out he oauth stuff. Jun 25 17:54:01 oh no! there's another brighthouse for books! Jun 25 17:54:06 appbookshop! Jun 25 17:54:14 make it stop!!! Jun 25 17:54:18 Guest14800: you would see setStyle on an HTML element, I thinbk Jun 25 17:55:06 pandora--: Douglas Crockford indicates you should always use === and never == Jun 25 17:55:31 i've been doing that, but i never knew why Jun 25 17:59:24 * oilsworkn only uses === when appropriate :) Jun 25 18:02:19 well, I use !==, too :P Jun 25 18:03:22 This is awesome I'm using wirc from preware Jun 25 18:04:11 oilsworkn hates wirc Jun 25 18:04:41 But strange it opens up another card while I'm n this chatbox. What will happen if I close the first card ..will I be disconnected? Jun 25 18:04:55 not in the released version Jun 25 18:05:02 the next one it will kill the app if you toss the server card Jun 25 18:05:50 Oh Jun 25 18:06:07 So there's another version of wirc coming up? Jun 25 18:07:03 Oilsworkn: Hey I'm just a noob w advance skills why do you gate wirc? Jun 25 18:07:08 so when is === and !== appropriate? Jun 25 18:07:14 *hate Jun 25 18:07:22 HattCzech_work: all the time Jun 25 18:07:39 Oilsworkn at BP..lol Jun 25 18:07:53 ? Jun 25 18:08:03 HattCzech_work: ALWAYS and forever Jun 25 18:08:17 == and != is the devil Jun 25 18:08:37 like eval Jun 25 18:08:55 why on EARTH does it take 4 days to reject an app updated Jun 25 18:08:58 thats just STUPID Jun 25 18:09:09 So guys..wht the diff between palm's sdk and pdk Jun 25 18:09:16 okay, i'll continue the way i have been (which is aways using them) Jun 25 18:09:39 Bmyers: rejected for what? Jun 25 18:09:49 requested by me Jun 25 18:10:19 Bmyers: I know, right...on Mercury it takes a fraction of the time Jun 25 18:10:24 ohh, yeah, i've been told that requesting a rejection is generally a bad idea Jun 25 18:10:25 submitted an app updated and saw a problem. immediately submitted a reject and that was days ago Jun 25 18:10:36 THATS STUPID Jun 25 18:10:43 JUST PLAIN DUMB Jun 25 18:10:46 Bmyers: agreed Jun 25 18:10:53 NO TECHNICAL REASON FOR IT Jun 25 18:11:00 also lame that you have to upversion again when you submit Jun 25 18:11:06 that too Jun 25 18:11:07 but that's another problem entirely Jun 25 18:11:10 it happened to me a long time ago Jun 25 18:11:20 I thought they would have fixed it by now Jun 25 18:11:25 oops Jun 25 18:11:41 chuqui: what' Jun 25 18:11:50 urg... let me finish typing this time Jun 25 18:12:11 I guess only the useless questions go unanswered am I rite :-/ Jun 25 18:12:11 chuqui: what's palm's policy on app catalog apps launching com.palm homebrew apps? Jun 25 18:12:32 I'm not sure. Jun 25 18:12:53 palmpreuser1001: the pdk lets you write C or C++ (and more? I don't do those) applications Jun 25 18:12:56 chuqui: WTF it the app submission process STILL SO BROKEN Jun 25 18:12:57 you can request a rejection? crazy Jun 25 18:13:16 4 days for palm to do nothing? Jun 25 18:13:20 seems rather long Jun 25 18:13:31 stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid Jun 25 18:13:37 that Jun 25 18:13:37 is Jun 25 18:13:39 stupid Jun 25 18:13:54 breathe Jun 25 18:14:04 pisses me off Jun 25 18:14:09 it dumb Jun 25 18:14:09 chuqui: anyone else around from palm that would know? Jun 25 18:14:18 Sugardave: so uh are you open freelancer? Jun 25 18:14:19 it's obvious that its dumb Jun 25 18:14:27 drop me an email, I'll ask and get back to you. Jun 25 18:14:34 but there it is plain as day STILL Jun 25 18:14:36 okay, thanks Jun 25 18:15:31 palmpreuser1001: it depends :D Jun 25 18:17:14 hi all Jun 25 18:17:38 hi JenP Jun 25 18:18:07 Wht kind of work do you do..what apps have you worked on for the palm pre? Jun 25 18:18:07 * JenP waves Jun 25 18:18:14 JenP: what is up?!? Jun 25 18:18:27 Haefb!!!! Jun 25 18:18:42 I'm in DMV hell Jun 25 18:19:00 i'm in palm app submission hell Jun 25 18:19:10 bill!!! Jun 25 18:19:16 both are too stupid to fix broken processes Jun 25 18:19:29 JENP Jun 25 18:19:35 LOL Jun 25 18:20:05 although DMV most certainly has more experience ignoring glaring problems Jun 25 18:20:08 Bmyers: ask chuq nicely in an email to fix the rejection Jun 25 18:20:27 I have been here for 3 he's! Jun 25 18:20:42 DMV here in Macon takes me about 4 minutes usually. Jun 25 18:21:03 Bmyer: what got rejected? Jun 25 18:21:17 DMV a place for conservatist..watch out! Jun 25 18:21:34 * JenP stocks tongue out at haefb Jun 25 18:21:48 sticks Jun 25 18:22:52 You wouldn't believe I saw a pic of obama with a hitler mustache on his face. Lol hilarious why do people do tht? Jun 25 18:23:40 palmpreuser1001: because they have nothing better to do :/ Jun 25 18:23:44 haefb: hows Done doing? Jun 25 18:23:51 All the negative things in the world I wonder if everybody had a palm pre would there be peace all of the sudden lol Jun 25 18:23:59 Done is #99 Jun 25 18:24:12 awesome!!! Jun 25 18:24:13 JenP: nothing got rejected. thats my point. it should take DAYS FOR ME TO SAY 'NEVER MIND' PROGRAMMICALLY Jun 25 18:24:25 SHOULDNT take.. Jun 25 18:24:32 Dkirker: lol you maybe rite Jun 25 18:24:42 counting down the days till i get my EVO Jun 25 18:25:16 really? I rejected an app & it cleared in an hour Jun 25 18:25:27 really. Jun 25 18:25:39 can u ask them to reject mine? Jun 25 18:25:54 yup Jun 25 18:26:11 doesnt matter much now anyway. an update would go thu for the app cat until the hotapps is over Jun 25 18:26:17 infact I had to ask for the app to be rejected twice in one day Jun 25 18:26:17 lol Jun 25 18:26:20 dkirker: hey..whats your progress on this...? http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/dkirker/4588117745/ Jun 25 18:26:22 palmpreuser1001: Probably. Jun 25 18:26:35 palmpreuser1001: I'm more of a hobbyist but I am currently being a freelancer for somebody else Jun 25 18:26:38 i did it thru the stupid app submit page Jun 25 18:26:44 right after i submitted it Jun 25 18:26:50 I have a couple of apps in the catalog, nothing special Jun 25 18:26:52 shouldnt takes days Jun 25 18:26:52 me too Jun 25 18:26:53 palmpreuser1001: It is coming along nicely. :) Jun 25 18:27:13 sugardave! Jun 25 18:27:16 should be instant Jun 25 18:27:19 hi JenP! Jun 25 18:27:29 days > instant Jun 25 18:27:34 * JenP waves from DMV hell Jun 25 18:27:52 oh man, we can do ours over the Internet here Jun 25 18:27:59 bmyers agreed Jun 25 18:28:59 nope...have to change my name...apparently you must physically show them your divorce decree Jun 25 18:29:15 dkirker has agreed to let me test his stuff if I can get an Asterisk box going Jun 25 18:29:18 gonna drop your slave name finally? Jun 25 18:29:29 I guess I could run it in a vbox? Jun 25 18:29:36 oh & NOT a copy of it either Jun 25 18:29:44 sugardave: yeah, that would possibly work Jun 25 18:29:46 JenP: oh, that is different Jun 25 18:29:47 dkirker: those words are just askin for more to elaborate than jus "coming along nicely" Jun 25 18:29:51 Bmyers: yup Jun 25 18:30:01 Hell I mean WHEN? Jun 25 18:30:21 palmpreuser1001: lol. Well, I can't really talk about the progress at the moment. Jun 25 18:30:26 LOL Jun 25 18:30:44 I am hoping to have things done (Beta stage) by August Jun 25 18:30:50 Damn Jun 25 18:30:57 Well.... Jun 25 18:31:16 most stuff, at least. Jun 25 18:31:27 Well that's a start I'll give you that Jun 25 18:31:45 JenP: what number of ticket did you draw? Jun 25 18:31:56 basically, I want it ready so that when Palm adds more APIs I can add them and run like hell :) Jun 25 18:31:57 dkirker: thanks :-) Jun 25 18:32:23 b057 Jun 25 18:32:31 what number are they on? Jun 25 18:32:31 JenP: not good Jun 25 18:33:00 tickets rotate A1-H# Jun 25 18:33:10 you're screwed. you might save time by finding a new hubby with the same last name to save time Jun 25 18:33:14 I'm B057 Jun 25 18:33:40 yup... Jun 25 18:34:20 better start speed dating or facebooking or something Jun 25 18:34:35 oh snap Jun 25 18:34:47 heh Jun 25 18:34:56 dkirker: Well if I had to ask for a patch wether u r allowed 2 discuss it or not could you have don't so without a waiting for api? Jun 25 18:35:02 hahaha...yeah...guys in here are NOT my type Jun 25 18:35:10 oops. #95 now Jun 25 18:35:13 they're patient.... Jun 25 18:35:54 *dont **done (stupid autocorrect Jun 25 18:36:12 yeah...it feels like any second somes gonna whip out a fun & go nuts Jun 25 18:36:43 do you have your video app loaded and minimized? Jun 25 18:36:49 o o o best part I get to sit by the screaming baby & mom with a cold Jun 25 18:36:52 because that kind of footage can make some money Jun 25 18:37:09 that's a good thing. Jun 25 18:37:15 lol Jun 25 18:37:21 I'm guessing its the mic api are waitin for right? Jun 25 18:37:24 Screaming babys are GREAT. Babys with mom's with colds are double points. Jun 25 18:37:27 Rick! Jun 25 18:37:32 Max. Jun 25 18:37:48 hiyah! Jun 25 18:37:56 Rick_work: hola Jun 25 18:38:17 Sugardave: I need a freelancer for webos Jun 25 18:38:36 don't say for writing a SIP client Jun 25 18:39:03 LOL Jun 25 18:39:14 hehe Jun 25 18:39:17 Smart bastard! Jun 25 18:39:33 sip is a lot of talk Jun 25 18:39:44 i don't know of many people that have /actually/ had to do it Jun 25 18:40:54 palmpreuser1001 what do you need a freelancer to DO??? Jun 25 18:41:06 hehehe Jun 25 18:41:51 I was gonna say make an app for a website or somethin like that Jun 25 18:42:15 well gotta go...batteries dying....ttyl Jun 25 18:42:38 what kind of website? Jun 25 18:43:22 palmpreuser1001: yup. I need the mic, BADLY! Jun 25 18:43:38 http://www.hamiltonwebcaptel.com/ Jun 25 18:44:07 Seeing they made an app for the iphone Jun 25 18:44:07 We need an app for palm pre Jun 25 18:46:53 pandora--: did someone answer the === question fro you? Jun 25 18:48:33 If you don't know what a web captel is you can ask questions here Jun 25 18:50:07 Or better yet sprintcaptel.com Jun 25 18:50:16 deliciousmorsel: i don't think so Jun 25 18:50:25 i can Jun 25 18:50:32 it does a type strict check Jun 25 18:50:34 so in js Jun 25 18:50:36 1 == true Jun 25 18:50:39 but Jun 25 18:50:49 1 === true : its false Jun 25 18:50:53 ah Jun 25 18:50:55 gotcha Jun 25 18:51:01 so like 1 == '1' Jun 25 18:51:06 but not 1 === '1' Jun 25 18:51:08 yeah Jun 25 18:51:10 simple enough Jun 25 18:51:15 * pandora-- nods Jun 25 18:52:22 anyone know if you can use the iPhone headphones on a Palm Pre Jun 25 18:52:26 and be able to answer a call Jun 25 18:52:28 is it possible to have mojo widgets on a scene without adding them to the html file? Jun 25 18:52:31 http://zammetti.com/blog/2010/06/25/palm-evo-or-iphone-4-0-my-feeling-is/ Jun 25 18:52:39 with the headphone buttons Jun 25 18:53:02 like creating with document.write() or something? Jun 25 18:53:06 MetaView: can you set a div's innerHTML to add the widget? Jun 25 18:53:13 MetaView: surely Jun 25 18:53:18 nope, not that way Jun 25 18:53:26 appendChild them somewhere Jun 25 18:53:27 document.write? lol Jun 25 18:53:32 append Jun 25 18:53:46 append? Jun 25 18:53:46 https://www.sprintcaptel.com Jun 25 18:53:58 what deliciousmorsel said Jun 25 18:54:04 ok, will give it a try, but were would I call it? Jun 25 18:54:14 in the constructor? or the setup? Jun 25 18:54:39 whenever you want to render/instantiate it Jun 25 18:55:02 MetaView: yes it will work, I don't remember the exact details Jun 25 18:55:18 webos101 webview page has an example of late instantiation Jun 25 18:55:47 oh Jun 25 18:55:53 ook, I look Jun 25 18:57:26 deliciousmorsel: if they're just on/off buttons, I bet it would work Jun 25 18:57:39 the iphone head phones has up and down Jun 25 18:57:42 and a middle button Jun 25 18:57:49 so volume up and down and answer/pause music Jun 25 18:58:02 the palm pre needs this if it doesn't have it Jun 25 18:58:04 sugardave: remeber where to find it? Jun 25 18:58:40 MetaView: http://webos101.com/WebView#Advanced_Example Jun 25 18:58:47 woo i gained one spot on the hot apps Jun 25 18:59:12 sugardave: thx Jun 25 18:59:21 today my UberAppCat was approved Jun 25 18:59:43 awesome, so it's an app that wraps the app catalog? Jun 25 19:00:01 yes Jun 25 19:00:04 it's free Jun 25 19:01:02 cool, I will check it out Jun 25 19:02:48 Deliciousmorsel: what app? Jun 25 19:03:02 Twee Jun 25 19:03:04 hey all! Jun 25 19:03:08 Freelancer n e 1? Jun 25 19:03:15 deliciousmorsel: I LOVE the new version of Twee Jun 25 19:03:36 woot thanks Jun 25 19:03:46 Oh I have twee lite but becuz I already bought tweetme Jun 25 19:03:47 i worked on it every night for a month Jun 25 19:03:53 complete rewrite Jun 25 19:04:06 Looks like it Jun 25 19:04:20 * haeffb goes to buy twee Jun 25 19:04:21 I do wish that the CSS3 scroller thing at the bottom moved smoother Jun 25 19:04:22 twee was coded as a demo originally Jun 25 19:04:36 so it was coded pretty poorly Jun 25 19:04:40 so i needed to rewrite it Jun 25 19:04:46 Checkers is coded super poorly Jun 25 19:04:48 yeah I wished it was smoother too Jun 25 19:04:53 But I really don't want to redo it Jun 25 19:04:59 i was like … i'lll just do it Jun 25 19:05:00 I think I've figured it out Jun 25 19:05:03 and it was 90% done in a week Jun 25 19:05:08 and i was like … sweet Jun 25 19:05:10 Ah...no wonder :-/ Jun 25 19:05:12 to make the ultimate claim of durability of a device Jun 25 19:05:13 took 3 weeks to do the last 10% Jun 25 19:05:19 it was awful Jun 25 19:05:20 Heh Jun 25 19:05:21 you have to make it Jun 25 19:05:23 It always does Jun 25 19:05:24 so that it will not blend Jun 25 19:05:57 Hehe Jun 25 19:05:59 * haeffb gets distracted reading reviews of Done! Jun 25 19:06:19 deliciousmorsel: Maybe you could animate it, and then display the new content? Jun 25 19:06:22 Twee2 is written to work with basically any resolution Jun 25 19:06:26 have they ever done a Will it Blend and whatever they put in there just didn't blend? Jun 25 19:06:37 torchie: no Jun 25 19:06:43 weak Jun 25 19:06:46 i'm under the impression a tablet might come out Jun 25 19:06:47 Deliciousmorsel: My first glimpse of using twee wasn't very good tho not until I purchased tweetme. But the only downside with tweetme is not as fast as twee so we still she's some light on your app Jun 25 19:06:56 device manufacturers need to kick their ass Jun 25 19:07:05 is there a way to pin buttons to the bottom of a scene? Jun 25 19:07:13 TweetMe is a lot 'funner' UI Jun 25 19:07:30 agreed Jun 25 19:07:31 deliciousmorsel: also: you should use oauth Jun 25 19:07:33 HattCzech_work: aside from command menu? Jun 25 19:07:33 TweetMe was very well designed Jun 25 19:07:38 it is Oauth Jun 25 19:07:43 Twee1 is not Jun 25 19:07:47 Twee2 is OAuth Jun 25 19:07:49 Oh? Jun 25 19:07:50 new twee? Jun 25 19:07:53 yessir Jun 25 19:08:01 XAuth baby Jun 25 19:08:05 Oh Jun 25 19:08:05 no pin code Jun 25 19:08:09 That's good Jun 25 19:08:13 Twitter approved me for it Jun 25 19:08:18 Nice Jun 25 19:08:22 So there is a twee2 on the app catalogue already? Jun 25 19:08:26 i complained bout the user experience and they added me Jun 25 19:08:31 haeffb: yeah, the regular buttons Jun 25 19:08:34 yes Twee2 is on the catalog Jun 25 19:08:39 free to all Twee owners Jun 25 19:08:40 still rocking tweefree Jun 25 19:08:45 the giant clunky ones ;) Jun 25 19:08:45 TweeFree will not be updated Jun 25 19:08:49 aww Jun 25 19:08:55 I don't have a credit card Jun 25 19:08:59 You just tweeted that Jun 25 19:09:01 i'm updating it to havea deprecation notice since its basic auth Jun 25 19:09:03 torchie: how old are you? Jun 25 19:09:04 and am still deciding between clients Jun 25 19:09:17 kes: old enough to be your grandson Jun 25 19:09:21 use CSS to position it there... Jun 25 19:09:29 torchie: Somehow I doubt that.... Jun 25 19:09:34 ooh. Jun 25 19:09:46 Consitering I'm the child of this community. Jun 25 19:09:59 If you have to decide which Twitter client is best… Twee2 vs TweetMe IMO Jun 25 19:10:11 Aww that sucks balls I want to try it before I buy it.. Tweetme looks tempting to the eyes of the beholder and was 1.50 when I bought it a while back before they raised the price of the app Jun 25 19:10:12 I'm 17 Jun 25 19:10:18 haeffb: is there a standard css style already defined? like 'bottom'? (tried that, didn't work) Jun 25 19:10:21 I've been using Tweed lately Jun 25 19:10:22 How much is twee app anyway? Jun 25 19:10:27 $3 Jun 25 19:10:27 but the image posting method sucks Jun 25 19:10:30 well $1.50 right now Jun 25 19:10:36 in the USA Jun 25 19:10:41 it's like, "what is all this stuff about an email address and a this and a that and blah blah" Jun 25 19:10:46 deliciousmorsel: I have webOS running at tablet resolutions, you want to test out your "It works on any resolution" idea? Jun 25 19:10:54 sure Jun 25 19:10:58 modify the VM? Jun 25 19:11:02 Yep Jun 25 19:11:05 Lots and lots Jun 25 19:11:06 can you tell me where to do that? Jun 25 19:11:11 even on my old winmo twitter client i just selected the image and it uploaded and shortened the url... Jun 25 19:11:19 There's a file that has the resolution Jun 25 19:11:20 Let me look Jun 25 19:11:24 sweet thank you Jun 25 19:11:35 i have not tested it on a different resolution Jun 25 19:11:36 kesne, take screenshots! Jun 25 19:11:38 Twee cost 1.50 in usa... Hell where are you now? Jun 25 19:11:38 however i did program it for one Jun 25 19:11:42 Though I did a lot more work on it. Jun 25 19:11:52 i'm in the USA Jun 25 19:11:56 deliciousmorsel: username & password field should have focusMode: Mojo.Widget.focusSelectMode attribute Jun 25 19:11:59 torchie: I'm younger than you, by-the-way Jun 25 19:12:00 good OLD UTAHHHH Jun 25 19:12:03 I'm off the app catelogue brb Jun 25 19:12:06 kesne: it's about time Jun 25 19:12:22 torchie: heh Jun 25 19:12:24 haeffb what does that do? Jun 25 19:12:28 and on Twee2 right? Jun 25 19:12:36 * MetaView is still using Classic to twitter Jun 25 19:12:42 like so many Jun 25 19:12:43 lol Jun 25 19:12:47 there were twitter apps on palm OS? Jun 25 19:12:48 deliciousmorsel: I did a ton of other work on the VM though, so it won't be very pretty looking just bumping up the res. Jun 25 19:12:56 when the field gets focused, existing text is selected Jun 25 19:12:57 yes, one, from me :) Jun 25 19:12:58 ahh Jun 25 19:13:03 oh ho! Jun 25 19:13:09 kesne: mediafire it? Jun 25 19:13:10 plans for a webOS version? Jun 25 19:13:12 the full v Jun 25 19:13:14 vm* Jun 25 19:13:23 Uh utah aint bad but I hate hearing someone say it.. It sounds retarded Jun 25 19:13:25 deliciousmorsel: Well, the apps look fine, but the rest of WebOS doesn't Jun 25 19:13:27 torchie: yes, plan, but no time Jun 25 19:13:31 haeffb: ahhh will d oit Jun 25 19:13:32 so if I enter wrong password, tap the password field & it's selected so I don't have to backspace repeatedly to delete it Jun 25 19:13:36 i'm writing it down Jun 25 19:13:45 deliciousmorsel: you'll see Jun 25 19:13:58 Kesne: "the rest of webos doesn't" care to elaborate? Jun 25 19:13:58 first try of createNode and append Node didn't work... Jun 25 19:14:20 deliciousmorsel: Like, the launcher, the background, quick launch bar Jun 25 19:14:23 etc etc etc etc etc Jun 25 19:14:27 yeah makes sense Jun 25 19:14:33 palm hardcoded the values? Jun 25 19:14:38 at 320px? Jun 25 19:14:39 wid Jun 25 19:15:01 yessir Jun 25 19:15:08 ah lol Jun 25 19:15:10 Not in webOS 2, but in any public version they did Jun 25 19:15:11 love it. Jun 25 19:15:19 webos 2 you say? Jun 25 19:15:21 you have webos2? Jun 25 19:15:23 in the calendar also a lot of stuff is hardcoded to fixed width Jun 25 19:15:25 do you work for palm? Jun 25 19:15:28 No, I just like to freak you guys out Jun 25 19:15:31 lol Jun 25 19:15:34 you goose! Jun 25 19:15:34 pwnd. Jun 25 19:15:34 Hehe Jun 25 19:15:46 so mediafire teh full vm? Jun 25 19:15:54 so we can have goodies? Jun 25 19:16:11 Well, it's on my other computer Jun 25 19:16:27 ahh k Jun 25 19:16:36 anyone write an app extracotr? Jun 25 19:16:38 extractor Jun 25 19:16:40 So in the mean time, I'll give you some instructions on how to set the blah Jun 25 19:16:49 can you put it on the wiki? Jun 25 19:17:05 Webos 2 why the hell they talkin about? Is this in the works of the devs right now? Jun 25 19:17:12 app extractor? Jun 25 19:17:23 no dude we're on webOS 5 Jun 25 19:17:33 webos 5.1* Jun 25 19:17:37 the other 4 versions in between were never publicly released Jun 25 19:17:43 Actually, It's 5.1.1.1 Jun 25 19:17:45 .1 Jun 25 19:17:46 yeah Jun 25 19:17:47 lol Jun 25 19:17:47 but each one was described by the engineers as "orgasmic" Jun 25 19:17:58 and 5.1.1.3 will be an improvement on that Jun 25 19:18:09 the built in projector is SICK Jun 25 19:18:20 imagine projecting your tweets on your roof Jun 25 19:18:22 i'm building a dock Jun 25 19:18:25 you wake up Jun 25 19:18:30 look up at the ceiling Jun 25 19:18:36 all the tweets you missed while you slept Jun 25 19:18:37 I personally like the 5.7" screen the most Jun 25 19:18:51 That should be sweet Jun 25 19:18:55 I love how they made the screen holographic and resizeable Jun 25 19:19:06 through pinch-and-zoom™ Jun 25 19:19:07 pinch and zoom the physical screen ftw Jun 25 19:19:19 Heh Jun 25 19:19:28 from 1 inch to 5 feet in 3 seconds Jun 25 19:19:35 deliciousmorsel: You on a mac or a PC? Jun 25 19:19:38 if this stuff ends up on a rumor blog, you all die... Jun 25 19:19:40 (ducking) Jun 25 19:19:44 lol Jun 25 19:19:44 lol Jun 25 19:19:47 HEY CHUQ Jun 25 19:19:54 I feel sick, I think I'm gonna CHUQ! Jun 25 19:19:56 when can i get my dev discount Jun 25 19:20:01 for AT&T Jun 25 19:20:02 lol Jun 25 19:20:04 * haeffb goes to start a rumor blog... Jun 25 19:20:12 (goes back into hiding) Jun 25 19:20:12 heheheh Jun 25 19:20:13 HattCzech_work: did you figure out the button on the bottom solution yet? Jun 25 19:20:52 deliciousmorsel: Bist du ein mac oder ein PC? Jun 25 19:21:04 sugardave: does it have to be outside the scroller, or will position: absolute; be sufficient? Jun 25 19:21:15 mac Jun 25 19:21:23 BLARG! Jun 25 19:21:37 I really don't want to go turn on my mac Jun 25 19:21:49 deliciousmorsel: need more whitespace between tweets. Jun 25 19:22:12 Very funny about the projector Jun 25 19:22:30 Very very very funny shut up you all Jun 25 19:22:36 Uploading article about this to webosroundup now! Jun 25 19:22:47 lol Jun 25 19:22:51 (what are we talking about?) Jun 25 19:22:54 Roy-Pre101 I just submitted tips to PreCentral Jun 25 19:22:57 HP deal to close first week of July...per Precentral Jun 25 19:23:01 so palmpreuser1001 what device do you use? Jun 25 19:23:03 Roy-Pre101: I hate you, by the way Jun 25 19:23:04 a palm pre? Jun 25 19:23:17 1001 palm pre's Jun 25 19:23:26 Deliciousmorsel: yes Jun 25 19:23:27 kesne: I know that you're afraid to admit the love. It's OK. Jun 25 19:23:36 the deal hasn't already closed? Jun 25 19:23:48 * kesne loves Roy. Jun 25 19:24:09 chuqui: We need a way to check if an app is installed. Jun 25 19:24:23 roy-pre101 (starts typing) Jun 25 19:24:31 Roy-Pre101: we do Jun 25 19:24:44 sugardave: i decided to make it a dialog instead Jun 25 19:25:08 Apparently there's already an API for it, just need it exposed to us. Jun 25 19:25:48 if it were just one button I'd make it ouside the scroller and use position: fixed; bottom: 0px; Jun 25 19:26:04 chuqui: dev devices please Jun 25 19:26:04 Roy-Pre101: Just use it Jun 25 19:26:05 or put the button in a div and make the div have that style Jun 25 19:26:11 I'm using a palm pre Jun 25 19:26:14 oh Jun 25 19:26:17 i wouldn't of guessed Jun 25 19:26:21 I have a Palm Pre and a Pixi Jun 25 19:26:27 Two pixi's, three pre's Jun 25 19:26:29 i have a sprint palm pre without service Jun 25 19:26:31 dellciosumorsel if I could influence that to get them out faster, I would. Jun 25 19:26:32 and i had to hactivate it Jun 25 19:26:38 good enough thanks chuq Jun 25 19:27:15 haeffb: it might work inside a scroller Jun 25 19:27:17 chuqui: "Jake also reports that Klein was especially enthusiastic about great things that are coming." What would make the VP of investor relations "enthusiastic?" Jun 25 19:27:22 time for food. back later... Jun 25 19:27:37 that's cold Jun 25 19:27:41 haeffb: You scared him off! Chuqui's are skittish! Jun 25 19:27:45 haeffb I'm just happy my paychecks aren't going to bounce. Jun 25 19:27:51 Chuqies? Jun 25 19:27:55 Hactivate it oh good fur you. Let me guess you illegally clone esn nbr too right? Jun 25 19:28:08 love working with you guys, but not for free. Jun 25 19:28:20 ;) Jun 25 19:28:37 chuqui_napping: that hurts. especially when we're pretty close to doing this for free... :) Jun 25 19:28:44 Don't f*q with Chuq! Jun 25 19:29:13 DaveSoft: Thanks for the update to webos101.com! Jun 25 19:29:23 whoa, twee 2! Jun 25 19:29:26 just looked it up in the catalog Jun 25 19:29:32 torchie: That app sucks. Jun 25 19:29:38 You guys are wonderful entertainers Jun 25 19:29:46 torchie: Just kidding. It's great! Get it. Jun 25 19:29:50 hey, I took a paycut to come to palm. I'm doing my part... (grin) Jun 25 19:29:53 lol Jun 25 19:29:55 well one thing Jun 25 19:29:57 ahahh Jun 25 19:29:59 how efficient is the image posting? Jun 25 19:30:00 i just erad that Jun 25 19:30:00 No chance of finding freelancer here am I? Jun 25 19:30:02 I talked about it last night on the webOSroundup podcast. Jun 25 19:30:13 Roy-Pre101 you freaked me out Jun 25 19:30:16 can I get that podcast on my pre Jun 25 19:30:24 torchie: Yes you can! Jun 25 19:30:42 use drPodder Jun 25 19:30:43 ftw Jun 25 19:30:57 WebOSRoundup SUCKS! Jun 25 19:31:09 sugardave: you're good with extremely long function calls... Jun 25 19:31:11 Have to add the feed manualy to drPodder ('til he updates) or it's featured on Stitcher. Jun 25 19:31:15 how do i showDialog from anywhere? Jun 25 19:31:15 :( Jun 25 19:31:24 kesne: That's it, we're pulling the Checkers article. Jun 25 19:31:25 I really need to hook up some kind of payment method to the app catalog Jun 25 19:31:39 Roy-Pre101: I kid, I kid Jun 25 19:31:50 torchie: get a prepaid Paypal card Jun 25 19:31:55 OK, optometrist appointment now. I've been looking forward to this. Jun 25 19:32:01 you can do that? Jun 25 19:32:02 Roy-Pre101: quick question Jun 25 19:32:06 torchie: Yep Jun 25 19:32:11 you run webosroundup? Jun 25 19:32:18 I heard you could hook up your bank account to paypal Jun 25 19:32:29 HattCzech_work: Quick. Part of the team, yes. Jun 25 19:32:32 HattCzech_work: hmmm, haven't tried it yet, though I had thought about it in this app Jun 25 19:32:38 HattCzech_work: you need a reference to a scene assistant Jun 25 19:32:40 any way to publicize my app, txt group? :) Jun 25 19:32:45 i'd love to make it into the top 221 Jun 25 19:32:56 deliciousmorsel: Sometimes the Twee icon disappears from the notification area when I still have unread stuff. Jun 25 19:33:00 haeffb: i can do that... i will test now Jun 25 19:33:25 and then the assistant's controller... Jun 25 19:33:38 Roy-Pre101: that could potentially happen if Twitter is having api issues Jun 25 19:33:41 HattCzech_work: Send something to tips@webosroundup.com and we'll probably post it. We do post 'press releases' for devs. Jun 25 19:33:41 its a bug Jun 25 19:33:57 deliciousmorsel: I think Twee removes the icon if it auto-refreshes before I tap the icon and then removes it. Jun 25 19:34:09 err, parse that into English, I gotta run Jun 25 19:34:14 Hattczech_work: try using twitter Jun 25 19:34:30 Roy-Pre101: did you guys do a something on an app named guyrules? Jun 25 19:34:33 HattCzech_work: they also post whatever you ask if you tell them to Jun 25 19:34:41 i got a bump the other day and wondering from what Jun 25 19:34:48 Deliciousmorsel: have you tried downloading tweetme ? Jun 25 19:35:14 i personally own tweed and badkitty thats it Jun 25 19:35:27 my palm is not my main device however Jun 25 19:35:28 I like multiple accounts Jun 25 19:35:43 i dont even have service on my palm Jun 25 19:35:44 deliciousmorsel: Hey me too! Jun 25 19:35:47 cause its a sprint Jun 25 19:35:54 I have service on two of my palm's Jun 25 19:35:57 Well then there's no way to ever conquer the competition if you don't know your rivals Jun 25 19:36:00 badkitty eh Jun 25 19:36:01 But I have an Evo as my main phone Jun 25 19:36:07 badkitty is hawt Jun 25 19:36:19 palmpreuser1001: is that why i have the number one twitter app on the palmhotapps? Jun 25 19:36:27 how do u like the EVO Jun 25 19:36:33 sprint palm pre's my primary :o Jun 25 19:36:34 deliciousmorsel: how do you get twee's scroller to work so well? (like keeping position with new messages) Jun 25 19:36:35 i am getting one in a few weeks Jun 25 19:36:43 evo = sex Jun 25 19:36:44 I used a friend's evo but it didn't feel as smooth Jun 25 19:36:45 Tibfib: basic math Jun 25 19:36:56 and task management was like eeeeeeeh Jun 25 19:37:04 Deliciousmorsel: what nbr is tweetme? Jun 25 19:37:17 deliciousmorsel: so do you have the app scroll it to where was with new messages? Jun 25 19:37:20 torchie: well you're just some kid, who cares about you Jun 25 19:37:28 TweetMe is 26 Jun 25 19:37:32 Twee2 is 8 Jun 25 19:37:35 Tweed is 11 Jun 25 19:37:47 Bad Kitty is 58 Jun 25 19:37:48 evo is way to big. It's not a phone Jun 25 19:37:51 hey roy do i have to have a disqus account just to enter a comment on the blog? Jun 25 19:37:53 WebOS 2.0 and new phone on it's way... Jun 25 19:38:09 also I made a large amount of my sales of Twee before the palm hot apps started Jun 25 19:38:14 so says swisstomcat Jun 25 19:38:16 haeffb: seriously? Jun 25 19:38:31 i'd use my palm phone more Jun 25 19:38:33 if it was faster Jun 25 19:38:37 its just tooo slow Jun 25 19:38:40 yeah Jun 25 19:38:44 deliciousmorsel: overclock! Jun 25 19:38:46 http://tinyurl.com/34kbkms Jun 25 19:38:47 the slowdown, it's scary Jun 25 19:38:49 i should. Jun 25 19:38:51 also Jun 25 19:38:52 Mines at 1.2GHz currently Jun 25 19:38:53 battery Jun 25 19:38:58 speed + battery. Jun 25 19:39:22 also has anyone else's pre been restarting when using the music app Jun 25 19:39:47 everythingpre is still up? Jun 25 19:39:47 We should expect great new products, and Teri was especially enthusiastic about the launch of webOS 2.0 and new hardware to go with it, but she didn’t offer any details. Jun 25 19:39:59 key word there is Jun 25 19:40:01 SHOULD Jun 25 19:40:02 look, a checkers ad: http://www.webosroundup.com/ Jun 25 19:40:10 who is this teri Jun 25 19:40:14 but that would have been 6 months ago Jun 25 19:40:16 is she our new overlord Jun 25 19:40:25 VP of Investor Relations at Palm Jun 25 19:40:30 palmpreuser1001: i did tweet about it Jun 25 19:40:48 anyone else care to help me out and retweet? deliciousmorsel? do you have a twitter account? Jun 25 19:41:10 and i need a "developer" twitter account... haven't made one yet Jun 25 19:41:16 I have one Jun 25 19:41:17 @deliciousmorsel Jun 25 19:41:18 @keenstudios Jun 25 19:41:36 @gomlsoftware Jun 25 19:41:41 @kesne gets you random crap that usually has nothing to do about dev Jun 25 19:41:52 this will give me an excuse to log in to twitter Jun 25 19:42:20 @haeffb Jun 25 19:42:33 now, just to figure out how to use it... Jun 25 19:42:45 @tibfib Jun 25 19:42:59 * haeffb is to small to have a "developer" twitter account Jun 25 19:43:08 preposterous Jun 25 19:43:22 ooooo! follow time! :) Jun 25 19:44:30 @ucantellifheslying Jun 25 19:44:49 @dkirker (personal) and @openmobl Jun 25 19:44:53 @cf_torchie Jun 25 19:44:59 everyone else is doing it! Jun 25 19:45:01 @webosroundup Jun 25 19:45:02 @wemakehitapps Jun 25 19:45:09 @dawm // @biocandy Jun 25 19:45:13 @yungbpc2009 Jun 25 19:45:31 dawm: nobody cares Jun 25 19:45:37 so...what am I looking/waiting for? Jun 25 19:45:48 iuno Jun 25 19:45:56 hey kesne i hope checkers doesnt eat cpu like your website ;P Jun 25 19:46:12 Sugardave: find me a freelancer Jun 25 19:46:27 sugardave: you're reposting about my app ;) Jun 25 19:46:28 www.elance.com Jun 25 19:46:37 i made it short enough to retweet Jun 25 19:46:58 HattCzech_work: did you send me a message or something (I suck at Twitter, it's true) Jun 25 19:47:16 just search for @HattCzech Jun 25 19:47:30 okay, got it Jun 25 19:48:11 dawm: even more, actually Jun 25 19:48:20 Deliciousmorsel: does your app have the tweetlonger attached in case I want to tweet longer than 120 characters? Jun 25 19:48:21 And the new version doesn't Jun 25 19:48:28 If you use a real browser, at least Jun 25 19:49:06 HattCzech_work: my whopping _4_ followers will surely push you over the edge Jun 25 19:49:19 one of them is me :D Jun 25 19:49:28 it does not have Twitlonger Jun 25 19:49:34 sugardave: 5 now :) Jun 25 19:49:39 woo! Jun 25 19:49:43 i'm following people like there's no tomorrow. Jun 25 19:50:03 hahaha Jun 25 19:50:04 don't expect to hear a lot from me, I forget to log in all the time Jun 25 19:50:16 i was hoping deliciousmorsel would RT as well ;) Jun 25 19:50:29 sugardave: 6 Jun 25 19:50:43 man, I've doubled my popularity in a matter of minutes Jun 25 19:50:59 lol Jun 25 19:51:23 sugardave, so you mean you nwo have 2 followers? Jun 25 19:51:28 sugardave: I'm making a point _not_ to follow you Jun 25 19:51:36 hehe Jun 25 19:52:00 kesne: it doesn't take much effort to follow sugardave: he's only had one tweet since April Jun 25 19:52:04 and that was today. Jun 25 19:52:09 yep Jun 25 19:52:12 that's what I'm saying Jun 25 19:52:23 I forget to use it and/or feel I don't have much to say Jun 25 19:52:49 because I know you should only use Twitter for important conversations Jun 25 19:52:51 * haeffb uses it to follow openCongress, englishscope24, and various palm/webos stuff Jun 25 19:52:54 sugardave: I'm following you with all 5 of my twitter account, or at least i will be Jun 25 19:53:47 Bah Jun 25 19:53:50 I'm lazy Jun 25 19:53:51 deliciousmorsel: what's that little yellow hilight that shows up briefly under the tweets icon? Jun 25 19:53:52 three will have to do Jun 25 19:53:59 ugh quicken wont open.. gonna try a reboot Jun 25 19:54:32 Whoa, Palm's been building in tablet support Jun 25 19:55:03 kesne: what makes you say that? Jun 25 19:55:13 hmmm, so webosroundup will add it to the queue, but that might be after the competition is over Jun 25 19:55:24 Tibfib: Working with webOS 1.3 compared to 1.4 on bigger screens Jun 25 19:55:26 kesne, screenshots! screenshots! Jun 25 19:55:27 or i can pay... but that'll be more than i've actually made on the app :/ Jun 25 19:55:38 1.4 has build in better support for some apps, and basic features Jun 25 19:55:43 torchie: NO! Jun 25 19:55:54 bbbut Jun 25 19:55:56 i love you Jun 25 19:56:01 haha torchie Jun 25 19:56:07 Hey, 4000th game of Checkers online about to be played Jun 25 19:57:30 oh, and one porn star... Jun 25 19:57:33 YES Jun 25 19:57:35 It was me! Jun 25 19:57:46 ugh I'm following too many people Jun 25 19:58:10 so Twee2 as a tablet Jun 25 19:58:10 http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1450/screenshot20100625at156.png Jun 25 19:58:25 hottttt Jun 25 19:58:26 yeah!!! home! Jun 25 19:58:42 lol Jun 25 19:58:43 nice. Jun 25 19:58:53 JenP: congratulations! Jun 25 19:58:55 so, to change resolutoins, you just... Jun 25 19:58:58 "320x480" huh Jun 25 19:59:06 http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4050/screenshot20100625at155g.png Jun 25 19:59:23 oh my god that's nice Jun 25 19:59:32 there better be a webos tablet Jun 25 19:59:34 http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6126/screenshot20100625at157.png Jun 25 19:59:37 deliciousmorsel: Are those hi-res graphics or does it not scale Jun 25 19:59:42 JenP: glad you made it out alive. Jun 25 19:59:44 that reminds me i should really upgrade my copy of virtualbox. Jun 25 19:59:49 hey, that's me! Jun 25 19:59:55 that's purty Jun 25 19:59:57 oh I would love a webos tablet Jun 25 20:00:12 it'd have to have better battery life than ipad though Jun 25 20:00:15 dpivs: I don't think that webOS emulators support the latest versions Jun 25 20:00:33 imagine, the 24 hour tablet Jun 25 20:00:43 torchie: shut up Jun 25 20:00:54 aww. Jun 25 20:01:16 oh no, hes back Jun 25 20:01:19 :P Jun 25 20:01:23 shhh.... Jun 25 20:01:30 hey sugarDave Jun 25 20:01:30 hey man do you need help Jun 25 20:01:40 with webO Jun 25 20:01:41 needhelpwithwebO: heya Jun 25 20:01:41 how does one closes or terminates an app inside the emulator? Jun 25 20:01:43 oh really kesne? bummer, i guess i'll hold off then. Jun 25 20:02:04 true story bro Jun 25 20:02:12 needhelpwithwebO: press 'home' i think Jun 25 20:02:18 I hate oregon. Jun 25 20:02:24 that acts like the button on the phone Jun 25 20:02:29 press one on your number pad Jun 25 20:02:36 then flick the card away Jun 25 20:02:38 yes home = navi button Jun 25 20:02:44 esc will minimize and you can drag it off the top of the screen Jun 25 20:02:47 home and escace only makes the view smaller ( not car view) Jun 25 20:02:52 esc = back gesture Jun 25 20:03:03 ah, yeah Jun 25 20:03:05 press the number 1 on your number pad Jun 25 20:03:05 ooops Jun 25 20:03:13 deliciousmorsel: If you tweet those screenshots and do a shoutout to @webosroundup or @precentral, you might get a nice post Jun 25 20:03:36 alternatively, palm-launch -c com.example.app I think closes it Jun 25 20:03:53 i just tweeted them Jun 25 20:03:59 without the shoutout Jun 25 20:05:06 * haeffb retweeted Jun 25 20:05:53 In webOS 1.4.1.1 and later, headless apps will be terminated 60 seconds after their last stage closes (or 60 seconds after launching, if no stage is ever opened). Jun 25 20:06:02 deliciousmorsel: how many dl's has twee gotten? Jun 25 20:06:41 so, if I do a background sync - set a timer for 50 sec & if the sync hasn't finished, launch a dashboard stage. Good idea or not? Jun 25 20:06:57 lol i have flicken card outside the windows Jun 25 20:06:59 and it comes back Jun 25 20:06:59 haeffb: sounds good Jun 25 20:07:18 needhelpwithwebO: you need to work on your technique...I have to use this touchpad thing Jun 25 20:07:31 you can drag it just near the top of the emu screen, then let go...it will finish Jun 25 20:07:41 and it can be slow, too Jun 25 20:07:46 practice practice practice! Jun 25 20:08:01 kesne: Twee total has had a lot Jun 25 20:09:34 deliciousmorsel: Like, 100,000+? Jun 25 20:09:48 ohh Jun 25 20:09:52 no Jun 25 20:09:53 lol Jun 25 20:09:55 tweefree has Jun 25 20:09:56 the trick is to grab the card at the bottom.. Jun 25 20:10:09 deliciousmorsel: Oh alright Jun 25 20:10:09 and then move it up Jun 25 20:10:11 Twee would not allow me to leave my job Jun 25 20:10:17 Heh Jun 25 20:10:17 it does not make that much money Jun 25 20:10:31 If checkers were a paid app, I'd have a lot of money Jun 25 20:11:43 isn't there a paid version? Jun 25 20:12:49 deliciousmorsel: Yeah, but we're phasing it out Jun 25 20:13:00 deliciousmorsel: And it only sold about 1000 copies Jun 25 20:13:16 still not bad Jun 25 20:13:18 how much was it? Jun 25 20:13:36 0.99 Jun 25 20:13:47 Checkers free has, well Jun 25 20:13:59 263,369 downloads Jun 25 20:14:40 thats more than TweeFree Jun 25 20:14:54 ;o Jun 25 20:15:01 Checkers has been insanely popular Jun 25 20:15:30 Checkrse is 104 Jun 25 20:15:33 TweeFree is 102 Jun 25 20:15:40 you were one of the first apps out Jun 25 20:15:41 Checkers is older Jun 25 20:15:41 right? Jun 25 20:15:44 Yeah Jun 25 20:15:45 deliciousmorsel: that's just since hot apps Jun 25 20:15:48 yes Jun 25 20:15:50 i know Jun 25 20:15:53 Unfortunetly Jun 25 20:15:57 We want to be higher Jun 25 20:16:04 admob blows on webos Jun 25 20:16:08 i make good money on my iphone stuff Jun 25 20:16:11 no money on webos Jun 25 20:16:21 deliciousmorsel: how so? (and compared to?) Jun 25 20:16:26 i don't disagree, just wondering Jun 25 20:16:38 ahhh, okay Jun 25 20:16:50 * haeffb has emulator running in 640x800 Jun 25 20:17:16 haeffb: what file do you edit? Jun 25 20:17:27 Feeds Free has ads Jun 25 20:17:33 lots of requests for ads Jun 25 20:17:35 Checkers has no ads Jun 25 20:17:38 but almost none get filled Jun 25 20:17:45 cause no one does advertising on webos Jun 25 20:17:48 :| Jun 25 20:17:55 its a bad market Jun 25 20:17:57 I should start an advertising thing on webOS Jun 25 20:18:04 I need to finish my damn iPhone apps Jun 25 20:18:08 under Windows Jun 25 20:18:23 iphone is fun to program for Jun 25 20:18:24 find your user directory Jun 25 20:18:27 but so is webos Jun 25 20:18:30 i'm torn Jun 25 20:18:35 I prefer webOS Jun 25 20:18:39 I get stuff done faster Jun 25 20:18:40 .VirtualBox/Machines Jun 25 20:18:41 well except on webos there isn't a good device anymore Jun 25 20:18:53 I edited the Pixi resolution one. Jun 25 20:18:56 just mediocre devices Jun 25 20:19:07 replaced 320 with 640 & 400 with 800 Jun 25 20:19:09 YOU'RE a mediocre device Jun 25 20:19:10 :( Jun 25 20:19:17 torchie: shuddup Jun 25 20:19:20 run virtualbox & select that machine Jun 25 20:19:25 haeffb: thanks Jun 25 20:19:27 hey i want palm to do well Jun 25 20:19:38 and webos Jun 25 20:19:41 they just need to listen Jun 25 20:19:44 and blow peoples minds Jun 25 20:19:46 make sure you're not running that machine when you edit. VB will overwrite your changes. Jun 25 20:19:51 so out of curiosity....what's everyones preference Komodo or Eclipse for developing Jun 25 20:19:56 and for god sakes, stop being so slow to release shit Jun 25 20:20:03 komodo Jun 25 20:20:06 Eclipse Jun 25 20:20:14 neither Jun 25 20:20:23 yeah I suppose Jun 25 20:20:29 Vim + Coda Jun 25 20:20:29 I like notepad Jun 25 20:20:29 more mind blowings are definitely in order Jun 25 20:20:32 haeffb: clever. :-) Jun 25 20:20:55 deliciousmorsel: i use coda too! Jun 25 20:20:56 notepad++ Jun 25 20:20:59 lemketron: any way to get launcher & such to work correctly? Jun 25 20:21:03 TextWrangler Jun 25 20:21:03 deliciousmorsel: hi-5. Jun 25 20:21:14 dpivs: *raises hand* Jun 25 20:21:24 dpivs: ***smack*** Jun 25 20:21:39 haeffb: not in the current emulator... Jun 25 20:22:11 I liek to play guitarz Jun 25 20:22:13 but that shouldn't stop you from making your own apps resolution independent... and Ares is pretty helpful in that regard too. Jun 25 20:22:50 lemketron: the reason I made the change was to test my apps on different resolutions... Jun 25 20:23:14 ...so what I've done should allow that, right? Jun 25 20:23:16 Fun Fact: Keen Studios Online uses wordpress for everything Jun 25 20:23:33 you're playing checkers against other users registered in a wordpress install Jun 25 20:23:37 should I upgrade to WP 3.0? Jun 25 20:24:09 Yes Jun 25 20:24:11 YES YES YEs Jun 25 20:24:25 lol Jun 25 20:25:13 so since i added in the Support scene of my twitter app, the ability to follow my acccount Jun 25 20:25:17 i've had 100 new followers Jun 25 20:25:22 33 per day on average Jun 25 20:25:28 not bad Jun 25 20:25:55 not bad Jun 25 20:26:39 not bad Jun 25 20:26:43 deliciousmorsel: did you have the x-app launch with {follow: "@haeffb"} ? Jun 25 20:27:02 yeah Jun 25 20:27:16 looks like I need to change a couple of images, and I'm golden Jun 25 20:28:17 emulator behaves a bit "funny" in this mode Jun 25 20:29:43 some things are optimized for 320 wide, with variable height. Jun 25 20:29:58 * Tibfib has lots to do before his app is table ready Jun 25 20:30:10 tablet...hah Jun 25 20:30:25 Mine would take about a solid week of work Jun 25 20:30:26 yeah, my apps would not be anywhere close to tablet ready Jun 25 20:31:46 is dawm here? Jun 25 20:32:31 * haeffb needs to learn -webkit-border Jun 25 20:32:46 What's there to learn? Jun 25 20:32:52 Protip: use it on button Jun 25 20:32:53 s Jun 25 20:32:57 Hey Jun 25 20:32:58 lemketron: some taps & drags are misinterpreted Jun 25 20:33:04 I use it on divs Jun 25 20:33:13 well, -webkit-border-radius Jun 25 20:33:23 kesne: use it on my background images Jun 25 20:33:33 so that they will scale to new resolutions Jun 25 20:33:39 Why background images? Jun 25 20:33:43 0.o Jun 25 20:33:46 Why is it so hard to port webos to a tablet.. Jus adjust the resolution to fit how hard can tht be? Jun 25 20:33:58 palmpreuser1001: you haven't seen my code Jun 25 20:34:01 Who said it was hard? Jun 25 20:34:16 palmpreuser1001: they hardcoded the width in the os Jun 25 20:34:24 It Jun 25 20:34:27 at least that what i've seen in their vm Jun 25 20:34:29 who said it hasn't already been done & is just waiting for HP & Palm to finish the deal? Jun 25 20:35:04 deliciousmorsel: not in the OS. In the launcher. Jun 25 20:35:26 word Jun 25 20:35:31 oh noes Jun 25 20:35:34 chile is losing Jun 25 20:35:38 bah Jun 25 20:35:48 mexicans here to mow the neighbors lawn Jun 25 20:35:55 oops. Scrims aren't big enough Jun 25 20:36:59 haeffb: wouldn't that be illegal? Jun 25 20:37:30 what be illegal? Jun 25 20:37:33 (collaborating before the deal is finished) Jun 25 20:37:40 yes its illegal Jun 25 20:37:47 by law its supposed to be business as usual Jun 25 20:37:52 never happens though Jun 25 20:37:52 Palm can develop whatever they want. Jun 25 20:38:02 when the company i worked for was being purchased by adobe Jun 25 20:38:03 but you can't spell illegal without legal! Jun 25 20:38:10 adobe ran meetings like 3 times a week Jun 25 20:38:16 and they didn't own us yet Jun 25 20:38:25 they don't have to collaborate to make the OS work with different resolutions. Jun 25 20:39:29 and there's nothing that prevents HP (or any other company) from coming to Palm and saying "we need an OS for this device..." Jun 25 20:39:54 anyone ever have Aptana stop formatting you .js files? Jun 25 20:39:56 partnership agreements would need to be put in place Jun 25 20:40:02 otherwise its not business as usual Jun 25 20:40:03 lol Jun 25 20:40:26 & maybe they did so months ago. Jun 25 20:40:33 * haeffb is just speculating. Jun 25 20:42:56 So it takes as many people to talk alot of sh!t to get things started?? Jun 25 20:43:09 That's crazy! Jun 25 20:43:19 Move your arse people Jun 25 20:43:52 labeled dividers don't display correctly in 640x800 mode Jun 25 20:44:57 Whoever designed Jot It app needs to work on it a little more Jun 25 20:49:00 hmmm Jun 25 20:49:06 Whoever designed Twee needs to work on it a little more Jun 25 20:49:10 sugardave: i'm not sure if the dialog was a better idea Jun 25 20:49:16 it's hard to load those on launch :/ Jun 25 20:49:17 yeah that dude is a jerk Jun 25 20:49:19 so you better not tell him Jun 25 20:49:27 he might chan spam Jun 25 20:49:45 chan spam? Jun 25 20:49:46 http://shar.es/mIR3s Jun 25 20:49:54 This message goes out to all fans of Web OS. Stop worrying and speculating. When the deal closes I'm sure you'll hear about lots of great things from HP, until then just know this... We all absolutely love it, we love using Web OS. It's simply fantastic. Instead of worrying you should think about developing Apps on it as soon as possible. Jun 25 20:49:54 Have a great weekend! Jun 25 20:49:55 so how can i get precentral to retweet about my app? Jun 25 20:50:24 HattCzech_work: ask nicely Jun 25 20:50:35 HP CTO of Gaming Division Jun 25 20:50:48 who do i ask? Jun 25 20:50:59 HattCzech_work: @precentral Jun 25 20:50:59 HattCzech_work: make a good app Jun 25 20:51:02 i requested to have my app featured... no response yet Jun 25 20:51:07 what app Jun 25 20:51:07 link? Jun 25 20:51:15 txt group Jun 25 20:51:21 one sec Jun 25 20:51:36 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.hattczech.txtgroup Jun 25 20:52:04 it's no twee, but i figure it's useful Jun 25 20:52:06 donationware Jun 25 20:52:12 dude you should sell it! Jun 25 20:52:18 if its useful, people will pay Jun 25 20:52:40 ehhh, maybe Jun 25 20:52:56 i was just tired of the crappy group messaging programs Jun 25 20:53:03 exactly Jun 25 20:53:06 if yours is better Jun 25 20:53:09 hook yourself up Jun 25 20:53:21 donationware is noble Jun 25 20:53:30 but noble doesn't equate to cash in your pocket Jun 25 20:53:40 cash in your pocket means you will develop more features Jun 25 20:53:42 very true Jun 25 20:53:43 cause your rewarded Jun 25 20:53:54 and then the app just keeps getting better Jun 25 20:53:55 i'll try to sell one of my ideas Jun 25 20:53:59 cuz i know people will pay for it Jun 25 20:54:09 sell idea? Jun 25 20:54:13 produce the idea Jun 25 20:54:15 sell taht Jun 25 20:54:18 but i need more APIs for it to work under the app catalog Jun 25 20:54:32 HattCzech_work: I know the CSS now to manipulate the styles of individual dialog boxes Jun 25 20:54:36 HattCzech_work: make is sexier Jun 25 20:55:06 HattCzech_work: how do you expect to sell it if you, yourself can not produce it? Jun 25 20:55:16 oh, i can produce it Jun 25 20:55:23 i can't get it into the catalog :) Jun 25 20:55:26 YET Jun 25 20:56:00 ahhh Jun 25 20:56:23 palm needs to open up access for me to throw it in the catalog Jun 25 20:56:34 media realted? Jun 25 20:56:36 related* Jun 25 20:57:01 nope Jun 25 20:57:22 p0rn? Jun 25 20:57:29 i guess porn is media Jun 25 20:57:29 hahaha, no Jun 25 20:57:29 pr0n? Jun 25 20:57:31 calendar related Jun 25 20:57:33 * pandora-- is back Jun 25 20:57:35 oh yes Jun 25 20:57:48 Did sombody say porn? Jun 25 20:59:10 sugardave: AlertDialog & ErrorDialog? Jun 25 20:59:59 between regular and alert so far...didn't try Error, but I assume it will work Jun 25 21:00:32 error = error Jun 25 21:00:32 urg, this does not want to work for me Jun 25 21:01:05 HattCzech_work: .myClass [x-mojo-element=_Dialog] .palm-dialog-box {} Jun 25 21:01:09 er haeffb Jun 25 21:01:25 and _AlertDialog Jun 25 21:01:37 sweet. Jun 25 21:01:37 I would guess _ErrorDialog for the other one Jun 25 21:01:48 document on webos101... Jun 25 21:02:03 good idea :D Jun 25 21:02:42 anyone have a good example of using drawers? Jun 25 21:03:16 where should I put something like that? Jun 25 21:04:17 I found it Jun 25 21:06:05 JenP: Myles Jun 25 21:06:16 kk i'll opener up Jun 25 21:06:17 no, wait, that's drawers in a list Jun 25 21:06:17 thanks Jun 25 21:06:27 might be overkill. Jun 25 21:07:37 just a little bit... i was looking for simpler Jun 25 21:10:42 JenP: in the Myles support scene, look at the copyright div Jun 25 21:10:54 it behaves much like a drawer. Jun 25 21:11:04 thanks Jun 25 21:12:25 the div with id='license' is shown/hidden with a tap on the div with id='copyright' Jun 25 21:15:09 and, of course, there' Jun 25 21:15:18 s UIWidgets app. Jun 25 21:15:30 nodnod looking at it now Jun 25 21:41:11 never pays to be a quitter Jun 25 21:42:25 never? Jun 25 21:42:34 unless you're tiger wood's wife? Jun 25 21:42:40 well.. Jun 25 21:43:28 eh.. there's exceptions to every rule right? Jun 25 21:43:28 :D Jun 25 21:43:40 is dawm around? Jun 25 21:44:00 I pretty much live black an white Jun 25 21:44:09 all extremes Jun 25 21:45:32 Is it 5pm yet? Jun 25 21:45:56 yes, you can start drinking Jun 25 21:46:22 lol Jun 25 21:46:29 only 2:45 here Jun 25 21:46:53 well, any time after 11 Jun 25 21:47:01 good to go Jun 25 21:47:10 yeah, 2:45 here too Jun 25 21:47:15 :( Jun 25 21:47:17 summertime guidlines Jun 25 21:47:43 I haven't had any yet Jun 25 21:47:55 oops Jun 25 21:48:04 probably no drinking tonight for me Jun 25 21:48:07 mms Jun 25 21:48:18 maybe wine, maybe Jun 25 21:48:59 well, I just got back from losing all the wisdom teeth Jun 25 21:49:16 so I'm starting the party now Jun 25 21:49:29 oooo, I remember having that happen Jun 25 21:49:52 hide the puppies, call a firetruck Jun 25 21:49:59 I had my lowers pulled during my sophomore year of high school, and my uppers pulled just last year. Jun 25 21:50:27 I haven't had mine pulled Jun 25 21:50:35 ya, lets just say I waited til later in life Jun 25 21:50:48 better to do it young Jun 25 21:51:18 I would have been in trouble if I hadn't had them pulled. I think the lower were impacted, and the upper would have had no room. Jun 25 21:51:34 By brother got his removed Jun 25 21:51:39 Just a few months ago Jun 25 21:51:53 I got lucky. Minimal swelling. :) Jun 25 21:51:56 HattCzech_work, are you here? Jun 25 21:52:01 2 were impacted, never caused any probs Jun 25 21:52:10 o well Jun 25 21:52:21 eat them! :o Jun 25 21:53:15 eat your teeth?? Jun 25 21:53:21 nom nom nom Jun 25 21:53:32 <-- crazy Jun 25 21:53:38 supercrunchy Jun 25 21:53:50 I just wassa stop bleeding Jun 25 21:53:54 wanna Jun 25 21:54:03 scotch will help that Jun 25 21:54:08 the blood is the best part! very tasty. :) Jun 25 21:54:14 out :( Jun 25 21:54:21 tsk tsk tsk Jun 25 21:54:34 :( Jun 25 21:54:36 * pandora-- shares his GlenFarclas Jun 25 21:54:37 ouch, scotch sounds painful Jun 25 21:55:17 * BigBiff_pre swirling, smelling Jun 25 21:55:31 * BigBiff_pre sipping Jun 25 21:55:41 heh Jun 25 21:55:50 it burns! Jun 25 21:56:50 Nyceane: yeah Jun 25 22:00:54 BigBiff_pre: don't you have opiates? Jun 25 22:01:14 mixing those with alcohol is probably a bad idea... Jun 25 22:01:28 I do, but haven't partakes yet Jun 25 22:01:29 probably Jun 25 22:01:35 Sedorox: /n Jun 25 22:01:43 ? Jun 25 22:01:51 damn autofill Jun 25 22:06:09 whos got opiates? Jun 25 22:08:13 whoa...my vertical scroller allows a webview to be drug horizontally Jun 25 22:08:19 that's not good Jun 25 22:09:00 hehe, it just wants to roam free Jun 25 22:09:10 have a heart! Jun 25 22:09:16 it's weird, you can't drag it left or right Jun 25 22:09:22 only diagonally or vertically Jun 25 22:09:45 so who wants to hire me as a webos consultant Jun 25 22:10:04 zsoc_wirc: are you cheap? Jun 25 22:10:24 sugardave: dirty cheap Jun 25 22:11:07 oh wait...it lets you start only vertically, then turns free, I guess....wtf? Jun 25 22:11:37 zsoc_wirc: well, I'd hire you, but I have no current need or money Jun 25 22:12:00 zsoc_wirc: can you tell me what the next webOS device will be? Jun 25 22:12:03 sugardave: thank you for the sentiment Jun 25 22:12:11 zsoc, will you talk in an indian accent and tell me to restart my comp first? Jun 25 22:12:19 haeffb: I said webos consultant, not clarevoyant Jun 25 22:12:33 BigBiff_pre: you don't even have to ask Jun 25 22:12:49 great! Jun 25 22:13:10 bah. I don't need someone to tell me what has already happened. I can use Google for that. Jun 25 22:14:47 adios all Jun 25 22:16:23 Hello Jun 25 22:16:27 someone 1 from palm here Jun 25 22:16:39 why is your server crashing on me ? Jun 25 22:16:41 You must finish or delete your current submission before you can submit a new IPK. Jun 25 22:16:46 hi there Jun 25 22:16:52 but I dont have any submission Jun 25 22:16:55 doesn't sound likes its crashing Jun 25 22:16:59 sounds like a bug Jun 25 22:17:03 a bug? Jun 25 22:17:03 crashing != bug Jun 25 22:17:05 where? Jun 25 22:17:18 "You must finish or delete your current submission before you can submit a new IPK." Jun 25 22:17:21 hey deliciousmorsel, just wanted to say, great work on your apps. Jun 25 22:17:26 thanks! Jun 25 22:17:45 I just open Jun 25 22:17:47 a new account Jun 25 22:17:56 how I can have a pending submission Jun 25 22:18:00 ???? Jun 25 22:18:06 I'm still looking for a Twitter app that does everything I need :-( None of the current ones have all the features. Jun 25 22:18:30 and I ask a friend to try to publish using his account and the same error Jun 25 22:18:37 most of the webos dev's do it part time Jun 25 22:18:48 so its hard for us to spend all the time working on new features Jun 25 22:18:55 but we try our hardest Jun 25 22:18:59 deliciousmorsel: heh, don't need to tell me about that :) Jun 25 22:19:17 can some1 tweet palm to check if their web is working properly? Jun 25 22:19:18 if palm had 5x the amount of users Jun 25 22:19:23 i think we could have some fulltime developers Jun 25 22:19:28 which means more amazing apps Jun 25 22:19:36 deliciousmorsel: Twee is getting pretty close Jun 25 22:19:45 what features are you looking for? Jun 25 22:20:19 deliciousmorsel: one feature suggestion: in the tweet single message view, as well as the arrow in the top right, how about allowing swipe left and right to move through the tweets? Jun 25 22:20:29 already in the works Jun 25 22:20:30 :D Jun 25 22:20:31 (swipe on the body of the tweet that is) Jun 25 22:20:33 yup Jun 25 22:20:48 and the other one was make it easier to see conversations Jun 25 22:21:05 oops, now I see that - forget that one Jun 25 22:21:20 ahh lol Jun 25 22:21:24 i was going to ask. Jun 25 22:21:28 how can i make it better Jun 25 22:22:01 deliciousmorsel: ok, one last one (and this might be PEBKAC too) - can i see in the mentions list which tweets I've already retweeted? Jun 25 22:22:46 same for the search results list Jun 25 22:22:52 you can see your retweets as long as you use the official retweet on the bird icon and retweeted by me Jun 25 22:23:07 but i dont know any ui that does that for you Jun 25 22:23:11 except twitter.com's Jun 25 22:23:16 they don't provide a method for that Jun 25 22:23:20 at least not that i know of Jun 25 22:23:26 i will look into it Jun 25 22:23:29 cause i'd like that too Jun 25 22:23:35 tweed seems to mark a mention as being retweeted Jun 25 22:23:42 interesting Jun 25 22:23:48 i may just not know Jun 25 22:24:03 tweed guys are lucky Jun 25 22:24:09 that and search results that go earlier than 24 hours is the only advantage of tweed vs twee I can see for my usage patterns Jun 25 22:24:14 the developers get paid salary to work onthose apps lol Jun 25 22:24:20 indeed :) Jun 25 22:24:56 that's why I'm giving you the inside information on how to get @webosinternals to use Twee exclusively ;) Jun 25 22:25:04 You must finish or delete your current submission before you can submit a new IPK. Jun 25 22:25:08 can someone explain Jun 25 22:25:11 what is going on.. Jun 25 22:25:15 lol Jun 25 22:25:38 needhelpwithwebO: did you email palm? Jun 25 22:25:42 deliciousmorsel: I'm currently running Tweed, BadKitty, TweetMe and Twee for various things. Jun 25 22:25:54 TweetMe is too fancy (and slow because of that) Jun 25 22:26:04 BadKitty can't search more than 24 hours Jun 25 22:26:06 tweetme is fancy Jun 25 22:26:09 i only have 2 hours Jun 25 22:26:10 i like the design Jun 25 22:26:15 before my contest is done Jun 25 22:26:21 palm wont email before that.. Jun 25 22:26:25 fyi tweed is a twitter partner Jun 25 22:26:37 they helped write the twitter backend Jun 25 22:26:44 they have some inside knowledge there too Jun 25 22:26:47 I personally prefer apps that use the Palm default styles. I hate apps that go too fancy, cause as a developer I know that the app could be responding to me faster if it was not fancy. Jun 25 22:27:09 not necessarily true Jun 25 22:27:20 some of the palm stuff is bloated Jun 25 22:27:37 its written to be generic and account for many one-off things Jun 25 22:27:37 true, it depends mainly on the resulting render tree from the CSS Jun 25 22:27:45 developers can code directly for their needs and not bloat it Jun 25 22:29:59 ... Jun 25 22:30:02 deliciousmorsel: agreed. but few developers go fancy for that reason :) Jun 25 22:30:04 what a frustation Jun 25 22:30:09 work so much Jun 25 22:30:14 to be out of the competition Jun 25 22:30:14 lol Jun 25 22:30:37 needhelpwithwebO: how many dl's does you app currently have? Jun 25 22:31:17 0 Jun 25 22:31:27 the palmhotapps competition right? Jun 25 22:31:53 needhelpwithwebO: if it's a different competition, just release it under a different appid in the web feed Jun 25 22:32:25 i have try Jun 25 22:32:26 if there's something stuck in your current account, create a second account Jun 25 22:32:32 different app id Jun 25 22:32:42 but it always displays the same Jun 25 22:32:43 You must finish or delete your current submission before you can submit a new IPK. Jun 25 22:32:57 needhelpwithwebO: I had the same prob. Clear your cache Jun 25 22:33:10 does it show anything on that page? Jun 25 22:33:15 screen shot the my apps page Jun 25 22:33:16 for us Jun 25 22:34:47 clear the cache Jun 25 22:34:49 same thing.. Jun 25 22:35:28 deliciousmorsel: thx for the feeds update too Jun 25 22:35:34 yup Jun 25 22:35:45 i didn't know google was getting rid of SID authentication Jun 25 22:35:55 needhelpwithwebO: the other thing I tried was using a different browser Jun 25 22:35:56 luckily it was easy to fix Jun 25 22:36:00 and i added mark as unread Jun 25 22:36:11 deliciousmorsel: Feeds is used exclusively by @webosinternals for RSS reading :) Jun 25 22:36:14 btw if you hold the title while viewing an article, it will mark it as unread Jun 25 22:36:17 lol Jun 25 22:36:18 I need a WebView master Jun 25 22:37:51 deliciousmorsel: oh, that's nice Jun 25 22:44:34 JenP Jun 25 22:44:38 do u work at Palm? Jun 25 22:44:43 nooooo Jun 25 22:45:30 whyy Jun 25 22:45:31 did you get me your screenshot Jun 25 22:45:40 of the my apps page Jun 25 22:45:43 so i can help Jun 25 22:45:50 why what? Jun 25 22:47:11 hey, is anybody really good with web design? Jun 25 22:48:08 people are Jun 25 22:49:20 and interested in 2 hour work for $100 =-D Jun 25 22:49:47 how do you know it will only take 2 hours? Jun 25 22:49:52 mmmm, dinner time Jun 25 22:50:11 deliciousmorsel, cuz its 1 page design with 2 buckets, a good designer can finish it in 2 hours Jun 25 22:50:27 it has BUCKETS? Jun 25 22:50:34 well, just 2 divs Jun 25 22:50:36 with some designs Jun 25 22:50:39 sections Jun 25 22:50:50 yah Jun 25 22:51:02 do you need design or code Jun 25 22:51:09 design, psd Jun 25 22:51:19 also a good designer doesn't charge 50$ an hour Jun 25 22:51:27 they charge 3-4x Jun 25 22:51:38 and don't usually do projects less than $500 Jun 25 22:51:41 good designer charges Jun 25 22:51:46 what needs to be charge Jun 25 22:51:49 no more, no less Jun 25 22:52:07 JenP are u the one that does the twitter app? Jun 25 22:52:12 which app have u develop? Jun 25 22:52:19 nooo i think that deliciousmorsel Jun 25 22:52:45 which app have u develop? Jun 25 22:53:05 i m really considering no overhead, just a background + 2 place to put the stuff Jun 25 22:53:17 in fact, i dont even need the 2 place to put the stuff, just a background Jun 25 22:53:18 99 design it Jun 25 22:53:40 good idea Jun 25 23:12:54 JenP wrote all the good apps Jun 25 23:12:59 we can all go home now Jun 25 23:13:08 * sugardave picks up his ball. Jun 25 23:13:11 heh Jun 25 23:13:15 what the heck?....no i didnt Jun 25 23:13:18 looks like i've got to do some more work on Yalm Jun 25 23:13:28 another developer is releasing a Yammer client in a few weeks Jun 25 23:13:40 now i have to fight for you share of yammer customers Jun 25 23:13:49 you want we should "persuade" them not to? Jun 25 23:13:58 perrrrrrfect :) Jun 25 23:13:59 :O Jun 25 23:14:02 hahaha Jun 25 23:14:03 hehehe Jun 25 23:14:16 they put more time in styling Jun 25 23:14:41 Jenp wrotes all those hot babes free apps? Jun 25 23:14:41 but, i have some inside scoops on stuff, I think I still have the edge for a while Jun 25 23:14:47 lol Jun 25 23:14:48 nice Jun 25 23:14:56 i m using my palm's bonus money before I even got them =| Jun 25 23:14:59 LOL Jun 25 23:15:08 Nyceane: don't do that Jun 25 23:15:28 why not? lol Jun 25 23:16:06 hehe Jun 25 23:17:16 you know, if you are a chick programmer, just take a bunch of bikini shots of yourself and post an app about you Jun 25 23:17:22 and you'd get famous =) Jun 25 23:17:32 eh that's what 4chan is for Jun 25 23:17:33 but free Jun 25 23:18:02 JenP wrote all the good apps --> like which ones? Jun 25 23:18:05 Hey it's JenP! Jun 25 23:18:17 Kesne!!! School out? Jun 25 23:18:29 Did somebody say 4chan? Jun 25 23:19:38 needhelpwithwebO: debtfree, tastytoons, sinpaper & helped design interface with other devs Jun 25 23:19:59 wao Jun 25 23:20:07 Yes, school is out! Jun 25 23:20:14 It took me 1 hour for a hello world app Jun 25 23:20:19 maybe webOS is not for me Jun 25 23:20:20 lol Jun 25 23:20:24 Yeah!!! We have wiki homework for you LOL Jun 25 23:20:45 needhelpwithwebO: no you can do it. Everyone here is great about helping Jun 25 23:21:08 just look at the Earthworm Jim app Jun 25 23:21:08 JenP: You made Tasty Toons? Jun 25 23:21:09 lol Jun 25 23:21:21 i made the app...not the artwork Jun 25 23:22:22 JenP: The app seems a little... erm.... interesting. Jun 25 23:22:41 LOL well that's the censored one...you should of seen how it started out Jun 25 23:23:37 JenP, how are you? Jun 25 23:23:51 Nyceane: I'm great how are you? Jun 25 23:24:00 its been a while since we were here last time =) Jun 25 23:24:05 oh? care to elaborate? Jun 25 23:24:16 work....crazy crazy work.... Jun 25 23:24:30 and they tried to call me in again while I was at the DMV Jun 25 23:24:58 but i missed you alll.... Jun 25 23:25:13 we miss you too, i even made an app just for you Jun 25 23:25:37 OH? and what that? Jun 25 23:25:48 * JenP wishes it's about shoes... Jun 25 23:26:11 the icon of it is a shoe Jun 25 23:26:19 really? what's it do? Jun 25 23:26:31 it helps you to find pickup games around your area Jun 25 23:26:43 what's a 'pickup' game? Jun 25 23:27:18 a pickup game is a casually assembled, non spontenous game of any sports Jun 25 23:27:29 oh that's cool! Jun 25 23:27:36 it promotes physical, mental as well as social wellness of a person Jun 25 23:27:39 what kind of shoe? sneaker Jun 25 23:27:47 yah Jun 25 23:27:52 thats the icon of my app Jun 25 23:28:04 wao Jun 25 23:28:07 that tastytoons Jun 25 23:28:10 smiles...i like something with a little more heel Jun 25 23:28:12 app is kind of..jumm Jun 25 23:28:14 well a lot more hell Jun 25 23:28:17 cant find a word for it.. Jun 25 23:28:41 needhelpwithwebO: again i didn't draw any of those pics Jun 25 23:29:29 lol Jun 25 23:39:01 dawm dawm dawm Jun 25 23:40:23 curses! foiled by emu host mode and webview widgets Jun 25 23:53:15 rwhitby: your changes without compcache works the best for me Jun 25 23:58:55 bhuey: so just the TMC calculation adjustment and nothing else? Jun 26 00:00:11 rwhitby: I love you Jun 26 00:14:48 Anybody in here? Jun 26 00:25:17 D': Jun 26 00:29:13 :o Jun 26 00:49:41 MetaView: uberappcat most definitely does not work Jun 26 00:49:53 spinner scrim foevahhhh Jun 26 00:52:09 yeah, no worky mang Jun 26 01:12:29 hey I just tried out uberappcat today Jun 26 01:12:33 yeah forever spinner Jun 26 01:12:35 am disappoint Jun 26 01:32:30 :D Jun 26 01:39:41 anyone here? Jun 26 01:48:38 I'm here Jun 26 01:48:42 darling Jun 26 01:51:27 torchie: I hate you Jun 26 01:51:53 but I have at least 5 different voice clips! Jun 26 01:51:58 here, pull the string Jun 26 01:54:22 *pulls* Jun 26 01:55:07 I'm here Jun 26 01:55:09 darling Jun 26 01:55:20 * kesne pulls again Jun 26 01:55:34 * thynctank coughs awkwardly Jun 26 01:55:36 reach for the sky! Jun 26 02:02:52 uber lag Jun 26 02:06:31 dawm! Jun 26 02:06:41 dawm: I updated Keen Studios' website Jun 26 02:07:27 BRB **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 26 02:59:57 2010