**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 01 02:59:57 2010 Jul 01 03:08:41 Hey all Jul 01 03:08:45 dawm Jul 01 03:08:49 Did you install it? Jul 01 03:09:12 no i just got the email (i think?) and my pre is on the otherside of the room ;p Jul 01 03:12:50 DO Jul 01 03:12:51 It Jul 01 03:12:52 NOW Jul 01 03:14:42 JenP: got your shoes picked out yet? Jul 01 03:15:15 Hey it's JenP Jul 01 03:21:33 haeffb: No, not yet. I was going to look later. Jul 01 03:22:10 look at if ( event.keycode = xxx && event.metakey === true) Jul 01 03:22:19 yeah... Jul 01 03:22:23 kk Jul 01 03:23:21 I was wondering if there were Mojo events for that. Jul 01 03:23:56 But, yeah, I was going to resort to that. I wanted to have it appear in the menu with the good shortcut. Jul 01 03:25:37 Anyone know how to fake buttons using HTML/CSS? Having an image appear pressed? Jul 01 03:35:05 hrm Jul 01 03:40:02 unzip/inflate in JS? http://github.com/augustl/js-inflate Jul 01 03:40:17 I can get the zip container open, but can't seem to inflate things... Jul 01 03:40:22 anybody else seen this, tried it? Jul 01 03:40:28 What's the difference between a Slider and a ProgressSlider? Jul 01 03:41:53 a slider is a sliding frame Jul 01 03:41:56 so you can add additional stuff Jul 01 03:42:10 a progressSlider is a graphical 0-100% progress bar Jul 01 03:43:40 yessssssssss 3 $50 refunds from palm Jul 01 03:43:44 thanks palm! Jul 01 03:44:02 why'd you get those? Jul 01 03:44:13 i only got 1, but i only paid once ;p Jul 01 03:44:21 app catalog submission fee Jul 01 03:44:26 they refunded faster than ithought they would Jul 01 03:44:34 you had to pay $50 for each submitted app Jul 01 03:44:35 ? Jul 01 03:44:48 until yesterday Jul 01 03:44:53 yeah if it was submitted to the app catalog (not the beta or web) Jul 01 03:44:56 that's dumb Jul 01 03:45:10 how much do the iphone apps people charge? Jul 01 03:45:19 well if its submitted to the app cat, it goes to a reviewer to test it Jul 01 03:45:22 iunno, but you can't homebrew on the iphone Jul 01 03:45:39 adding an entry barrier on a device people can release free software on is kinda dumb Jul 01 03:45:52 it reduces your profit levels because it deters people from submitting Jul 01 03:46:05 keeps the apps quality up though Jul 01 03:46:34 you can still review the apps Jul 01 03:47:00 lol class action suit against apple over the iphone4 antenna issue Jul 01 03:47:12 yea, wasn't too bright of them Jul 01 03:47:34 i got into an arguement with a guy who would suck job's dick if he offered Jul 01 03:47:48 and the guy went on and on about how awesome the 4 is supposed to be Jul 01 03:48:26 i kept mocking him, because 90% of the stuff he pointed out, my palm treo 600 did 8 years ago Jul 01 03:50:25 wow, i had no idea that it takes 6 years to run webosdoctor Jul 01 03:50:41 crap, it's 2016 already? Jul 01 03:50:45 so the world didn't end? Jul 01 03:51:05 sugardave: Did you get that JS thing working? Jul 01 03:51:07 horah! Jul 01 03:51:11 * Wolvenhaven passes out beer Jul 01 03:51:26 kesne: not yet, deep in the debugging phase...trying to figure out bitwise operators Jul 01 03:51:31 kesne, i never got an email with the updated version Jul 01 03:51:38 dawm: let me see... Jul 01 03:51:42 kesne: I have the js-unzip working Jul 01 03:51:46 just not js-inflate Jul 01 03:52:14 sugardave: What's the difference? Jul 01 03:53:39 "ZIP is just a container", then the compressed data is in it, usually compressed with deflate Jul 01 03:54:03 Ah Jul 01 03:54:06 so there's this weird js-inflate some guy wrote, and it's just returning '' when I use it Jul 01 03:54:15 But JS can't access files? Jul 01 03:54:29 you get the zip via ajax or however you can Jul 01 03:54:38 in my case with ajax Jul 01 03:54:58 Hmmmm Jul 01 03:57:55 hmm.. maybe undeflate Jul 01 03:58:00 or not Jul 01 03:58:30 i should be working on my app right now but i'm running webosdoctor on a friends phone Jul 01 03:59:45 maybe I should test with a simpler input file Jul 01 04:04:02 webos doctor is up to the s's! Jul 01 04:07:29 No one has an idea on the button images? Jul 01 04:07:57 Roy-Pre101: What' Jul 01 04:07:59 roy Jul 01 04:07:59 s Jul 01 04:08:00 i didn't see the question Jul 01 04:08:00 i know Jul 01 04:08:00 the Q Jul 01 04:08:04 i found it out the other day Jul 01 04:08:19 you can do two different classes with background images and swap the class names on tap Jul 01 04:08:27 no Jul 01 04:08:32 i tried that Jul 01 04:08:40 ;p theres a built in way Jul 01 04:08:49 super-fancy CSS people use one image of both states and move it around Jul 01 04:08:50 oh Jul 01 04:08:57 * sugardave uses blunt tools. Jul 01 04:09:20 you need to css classes yourbutton and yourbutton.selected Jul 01 04:09:34 and add this to the element x-mojo-touch-feedback="spontaneous" Jul 01 04:10:03 it will apply .selected when pressed/held and remove it when released or no long above Jul 01 04:10:14 no longer above Jul 01 04:10:27 same way the button widget behaves Jul 01 04:13:35 heres a snipplet Jul 01 04:13:36 http://pastie.org/1026158 Jul 01 04:14:16 my button_register is 1 image, with both up and down states (up on top, down on bottom) Jul 01 04:14:55 and zero javascript Jul 01 04:19:31 dawm: Thank you! I suspected .selected was the way to go. Jul 01 04:19:41 yeah me too Jul 01 04:19:57 but then i dug in the refcode and found the x-mojo attribute that made it work Jul 01 04:22:12 hrm Jul 01 04:22:38 walmart.com has ipod touch 8gb for 170~ doubt thats an in-store price Jul 01 04:46:08 damn, I feel so close, but I may have to shelve it for now Jul 01 04:50:37 this is tempting, wish it was still on sale tho Jul 01 04:50:37 http://www.amazon.com/Dual-Monitor-Stand-clamp-monitors/dp/B002R9HQLI/ref=cm_cmu_up_thanks_hdr Jul 01 05:12:24 dawm: that seems like a good price Jul 01 05:12:30 * dohtem proposes a "Goodbye Palm" celebration Jul 01 05:12:48 raise your glasses! Jul 01 05:17:00 dawm Jul 01 05:17:04 dawm dawm dawm Jul 01 06:07:12 oh. webos 1.4.5 ? Jul 01 06:14:45 hey google fixed the pre page! Jul 01 06:14:56 are webOS phones not gonna be palm branded anymore? :( Jul 01 06:21:30 Nobody knows! :O Jul 01 06:44:53 Good morning Jul 01 06:49:58 Does any know when the "reports" under "my apps" is ready for a month? Jul 01 06:50:44 give it a few days Jul 01 06:50:49 I'm out folks Jul 01 06:50:52 I need to sleep Jul 01 06:52:13 Good ngight Jul 01 06:53:00 when you have an app in the catalog how often does it update your download count? Jul 01 06:56:28 Is it paid? Jul 01 06:57:18 If Jul 01 06:57:20 "Reporting lag - It typically takes 3-5 days for credit card transactions to settle." Jul 01 06:57:30 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2061 Jul 01 06:58:31 thanks, i appreciate the info Jul 01 06:58:44 now i should really finish my app so i can get it out there Jul 01 06:58:50 it might help lol Jul 01 07:19:57 Hello Jul 01 07:29:20 are application logs saved anywhere that we can view them if an app crashes on a customer? Jul 01 07:55:55 Can anyone tell me whow often devs get paid for their apps in the catalog? Jul 01 07:58:59 i have heard that it is once a month if you have over 100 buks Jul 01 08:10:08 Found it, it's kinda loosely worded but within 60 days of the end of each month Jul 01 08:27:08 projectAlarum, do you have link? Jul 01 09:03:59 anyone here use PhoneGap? Jul 01 09:33:08 hello Jul 01 09:53:11 good morning Jul 01 11:56:20 hi all I got the pre with 1.4.5... I somehow can't login into my icq account selecting AIM in the messenger and then typing in my icqid and my password... anyone got the same issues that icq doesn't run selecting the aim plugin in the palm messaging app? Jul 01 12:00:01 you might want to dump ICQ anyway Jul 01 12:02:26 lol Jul 01 13:42:17 morning all Jul 01 13:42:54 are you guys able to download webos 1.4.5 ? I am seeing the "download in progress" since about 4hours without any progress :( Jul 01 13:49:18 btw, what's new in webos 1.4.5 ? Jul 01 13:49:42 not much, but I hear it might bring a better battery life Jul 01 13:51:06 good ! Jul 01 13:58:36 Famic: mine still says i'm up to date Jul 01 13:58:52 sounds like europe is getting it sooner than US Jul 01 13:59:11 i'm jealous :) Jul 01 13:59:13 HattCzech_work: you must have a normal Pre, not a Pre+ Jul 01 13:59:24 ahhh, yes, i do Jul 01 13:59:47 old timers can wait ;p Jul 01 14:00:26 hehehe Jul 01 14:00:41 ;) Jul 01 14:31:52 when do I get my HP webOS tablet? Jul 01 14:32:00 & new phone? Jul 01 14:33:36 is preware installer working on 1.4.5 Jul 01 14:34:16 @Wolvenhaven: no I can't dump icq until all my contacts move to another platform... I would love to see them all on the google service Jul 01 14:47:40 mornin Jul 01 15:02:54 morning, pandora-- Jul 01 15:03:24 looks like i made the top 221... thanks to everyone who helped me promote it! i am very grateful! Jul 01 15:03:41 you didnt make it Jul 01 15:03:42 its a lie Jul 01 15:04:00 i hope palm mails me a cake Jul 01 15:04:04 thats what i want Jul 01 15:04:27 OR Jul 01 15:04:29 even better Jul 01 15:04:36 a briefcase full of the money in cash Jul 01 15:04:52 i've always wanted that Jul 01 15:05:59 hahaah Jul 01 15:06:10 a large briefcase with $1 bills Jul 01 15:06:25 just to make you THINK you're rich ;) Jul 01 15:06:46 or a super small briefcase with 1 $1000 bill Jul 01 15:07:22 woo 292 Jul 01 15:19:26 morning Jul 01 15:21:40 HattCzech_work: congrats Jul 01 15:21:49 thanks Jul 01 15:21:50 (if you made it) Jul 01 15:22:01 yeah, need the final verdict Jul 01 15:22:05 sweet! Jul 01 15:22:07 but i was 217 as of last night Jul 01 15:22:24 ah, now that codeslaw is here.... Jul 01 15:22:33 HattCzech_work: did you go to El Caribe last night? Jul 01 15:22:39 haha Jul 01 15:22:42 unfortunately, no Jul 01 15:22:43 let's hear it Jul 01 15:22:44 :D Jul 01 15:22:48 i will hopefully go on friday Jul 01 15:22:53 ah, cool Jul 01 15:23:29 my gf wasn't very hungry, so we to la madeleine so she could get a salad Jul 01 15:23:44 I need to arrow up for a bit and see if any of you saw this last night Jul 01 15:24:12 unzip/inflate in JS? http://github.com/augustl/js-inflate Jul 01 15:24:22 and same url js-unzip Jul 01 15:24:33 * haeffb_pre hates bug reports that I can't reproduce.. Jul 01 15:24:43 I can majke js-unzip open a zip container, but I can't seem to make js-inflate work Jul 01 15:25:18 has anybody else seen this/messed around with it? Jul 01 15:26:07 not i Jul 01 15:26:15 but it might be something i play with soon Jul 01 15:27:33 i have an unrelated question... is there a way for me to store a png image in a database, pull it through an ajax request to php, and display it in a list? Jul 01 15:27:39 my js-inflate just returns a blank string....it's hell trying to debug it Jul 01 15:27:57 sure Jul 01 15:28:10 how do i display the image? Jul 01 15:28:14 but why store in a db and not just filesystem? Jul 01 15:28:35 can we get a tablet announcement plz Jul 01 15:28:49 i'm pretty sure i can do most of the storing in the db (as blob) and pulling in through ajax, but i don't know how to display it Jul 01 15:29:00 sugardave: do you have txt group installed? Jul 01 15:29:06 HattCzech_work: no, I don't text Jul 01 15:29:09 :D Jul 01 15:29:19 oh, okay, well i use it for export Jul 01 15:29:22 deliciousmorsel: +1 Jul 01 15:29:27 oh, Mojo db Jul 01 15:29:35 so i can dynamically update the export list Jul 01 15:29:35 I thought you meant remote Jul 01 15:29:40 it is remote Jul 01 15:29:59 okay, I think I get it now Jul 01 15:30:03 when someone tries to export, it hits my server for an available list of apps Jul 01 15:30:21 so, there is discussion about base-64 encoding your png before saving it in the db Jul 01 15:30:32 for now, i'm linking to the icon, instead of just sending the icon Jul 01 15:30:33 then you'd decode it, etc...there's a forum post on it somewhere Jul 01 15:30:48 interesting Jul 01 15:31:48 there's probably some PHP magic you could do to reconstruct the png, and then just get at it "normally" Jul 01 15:33:20 so would i just do something like or something? Jul 01 15:33:37 well, I just thought of something Jul 01 15:33:37 you'd have to specify its base64 content Jul 01 15:33:44 you're serving this from PHP Jul 01 15:34:05 src="data:image/jpeg;base64,DATA Jul 01 15:34:06 " Jul 01 15:34:08 that Jul 01 15:34:12 that's what I mean Jul 01 15:34:25 but image/png Jul 01 15:34:26 not jpb Jul 01 15:34:27 jpg Jul 01 15:34:28 lol Jul 01 15:34:54 * sugardave has to call the refinance people. Jul 01 15:35:47 refi people? Jul 01 15:35:57 lower rate for your house? Jul 01 15:36:30 awesome, deliciousmorsel... i'll try that Jul 01 15:36:52 so i will need to encode it before sending it? Jul 01 15:37:04 but i can still store it as a blob, right? Jul 01 15:37:05 i'd suggest doing that Jul 01 15:37:10 HattCzech_work: yeah, dropping .75 Jul 01 15:37:14 because having javascript encode it will be SLOW Jul 01 15:37:52 it's going to shave about $250 off my note Jul 01 15:37:56 * sugardave is stoked. Jul 01 15:39:23 nice Jul 01 15:39:33 sugardave: they won't touch my upsidedown loan. not with a 10 foot pole. Jul 01 15:39:40 i refinanced last year and got like 1.25 off of mine Jul 01 15:39:43 sugardave: los angeles real estate is aweseome. Jul 01 15:40:15 and in theory, i can refi again after 6 months (with no fees or anything) Jul 01 15:40:22 pandora--: that's one good thing about living here, home prices didn't skyrocket when everyone else did Jul 01 15:40:27 well, not in the ghetto-lite Jul 01 15:40:31 sugardave: where? Jul 01 15:40:35 texas? Jul 01 15:40:37 Austin, TX Jul 01 15:40:38 yep Jul 01 15:40:50 * pandora-- nods Jul 01 15:40:55 oh texas Jul 01 15:40:56 lol Jul 01 15:40:59 just bought a house in austin Jul 01 15:41:08 codeslaw: cool, whereabouts? Jul 01 15:41:10 HattCzech_work: why does it need to be stored in a DB (the png) Jul 01 15:41:13 except, instead of doing another refi, i just want to move :) Jul 01 15:41:27 I hate moving Jul 01 15:41:27 east of Berkman, south of 290 Jul 01 15:41:28 codeslaw: it doesn't have to be, but i figure it would be easier Jul 01 15:41:40 sugardave: luckily my condo is covered by the renters that live there, so I don't have to worry about the fact that the value is WAY below what I paid for the place Jul 01 15:41:44 codeslaw: you're close to me Jul 01 15:41:45 are these images you are downloading, or shipping with the app? Jul 01 15:41:45 berkman berkman berkman...trying to remember Jul 01 15:41:51 that sounds close to here Jul 01 15:41:57 sugardave: east of Cameron road Jul 01 15:41:59 east of springdale, north of 290 Jul 01 15:42:01 pandora--: nice Jul 01 15:42:16 sugardave: whats property tax like in tx Jul 01 15:42:16 ? Jul 01 15:42:17 damn, all the Austin webOS devs live in the ghetto-lite ;) Jul 01 15:42:20 downloading the images Jul 01 15:42:27 truth Jul 01 15:42:37 hahaah, we can't afford anything better :( Jul 01 15:42:46 i gave away a TON of old crappy furniture, by leaving it on the curb Jul 01 15:42:48 heheh Jul 01 15:42:50 everything was taken within 3 hours Jul 01 15:42:54 wow Jul 01 15:43:19 pandora--: too high. I'm not even sure what my current rates are. Unfortunately, I'm del valley ISD for that tax, and they are WAY highere than austin district for some reason Jul 01 15:43:41 codeslaw: we do that shit all the time....my wife: "Put it on the curb" Jul 01 15:43:42 hmm Jul 01 15:43:46 mine was around 3% i think Jul 01 15:43:48 haha ya Jul 01 15:43:59 HattCzech_work: it's about 3 or so out here, too Jul 01 15:44:40 pandora--: actually, mine is closer to 2.25% Jul 01 15:44:57 * haeffb_pre mortgage rate is 4.5% Jul 01 15:45:03 :P Jul 01 15:45:03 dannngs Jul 01 15:45:35 could get down to 4 if I refi again Jul 01 15:45:37 I started at 9.75, dropped to 6 in 2003, now going to be 5.25 Jul 01 15:45:43 i'm not sure what my tax % is in LA, i just know that i paid a LOT last year Jul 01 15:45:44 holy shit Jul 01 15:45:45 9.75 Jul 01 15:45:46 keep in mind my credit score SUCKS Jul 01 15:45:49 yeah Jul 01 15:45:51 it blew Jul 01 15:45:53 thats awful Jul 01 15:45:55 daaaaamn Jul 01 15:45:56 i'm at 5.75 Jul 01 15:45:58 have been Jul 01 15:46:00 the whole time Jul 01 15:46:03 0-down, though Jul 01 15:46:04 awful for this market, but rates will go up in a few years Jul 01 15:46:10 i want to refi to 5 Jul 01 15:47:03 pandora--: tax paid / appraised value = tax rate :D Jul 01 15:47:43 hrm... 1.3% Jul 01 15:47:47 doesn't seem so bad Jul 01 15:47:56 so, I re-fi to 30 years again, but paying the same note I am now pays off in about 17 years Jul 01 15:48:05 sugardave: genius :) Jul 01 15:48:09 pandora--: yeah, but the appraisal value is what? Jul 01 15:48:37 prop taxes: assesses @ 33% of appraised value, tax is like 5.5% of that... Jul 01 15:48:57 sugardave: 422k Jul 01 15:49:03 so 1.8% Jul 01 15:49:47 pandora--: right, mine is only ~$120K...so the tax must be higher or the state government can't waste more money Jul 01 15:49:47 2.1985% Jul 01 15:49:57 f'ing manor isd looks like the highest of the school districts Jul 01 15:50:12 HattCzech_work: DVISD is pretty high, too Jul 01 15:50:16 Hi everybody Jul 01 15:50:26 sup rob Jul 01 15:50:41 hey Robdor Jul 01 15:51:04 sugardave: kinda wanna sell this place so i can move out of CA Jul 01 15:51:05 yeah, DVISD is 3rd highest Jul 01 15:51:29 dripping springs is 2nd Jul 01 15:52:04 pandora--: we also don't have state income taxes Jul 01 15:52:05 :D Jul 01 15:52:21 which is very nice :) Jul 01 15:52:24 sugardave: gahhhh Jul 01 15:52:27 but, you do have the perpetual Dick Head, I mean Rick Perry as the governor Jul 01 15:52:35 so, you must weigh that Jul 01 15:52:36 but you have high property taxes eh? Jul 01 15:52:47 i love CA. lived here all my life, but damn it's getting retarded. Jul 01 15:52:58 and if you don't want to be in the middle of a bunch of evangelists, Austin is pretty much the only place to be Jul 01 15:53:11 hahahaha Jul 01 15:53:19 hahaha, sugardave... how true, how true Jul 01 15:53:21 "Apple looking to hire antenna engineers" Jul 01 15:53:27 heh Jul 01 15:53:29 oops Jul 01 15:53:29 not sure how he managed yet another term... but somehow Jul 01 15:53:47 i got to meet Rick Perry once... Jul 01 15:53:49 webos dudes have to stop making fun of Apple like webos is better Jul 01 15:54:02 had to fight back the words "douche bag" Jul 01 15:54:11 but it is better... Jul 01 15:54:24 HattCzech_work: the ONLY good thing about the oil spill....IF it manages to make it to a Texas shore, he's done. Rick Perry unequivocally stated that there will be no oil from the spill affecting Texas Jul 01 15:54:30 if my battery lasted long enough on my pre to make a call, then maybe we could start comparing antenna's with the iphone 4 Jul 01 15:54:33 somehow, with hurricane season and all, I think he's wrong Jul 01 15:54:45 hopefully that soundbite will be played a lot after it happens Jul 01 15:54:52 and he'll get his bitch ass run out on a rail Jul 01 15:55:07 that would be nice Jul 01 15:55:57 deliciousmorsel: oh...the hardware.... Jul 01 15:56:13 deliciousmorsel: lol i know right? Jul 01 15:56:24 deliciousmorsel: mine lives on a touchstone for most of the day Jul 01 15:56:44 and my wife's Pixi reboots like twice a day randomly Jul 01 15:56:49 weak Jul 01 15:56:56 mine too...especially since i'm wircing Jul 01 15:57:04 haeffb_pre: pixi? Jul 01 15:57:10 lol Jul 01 15:57:16 my wifes Pixi never reboots Jul 01 15:57:20 yeah her pixi reboots during phone calls, opening apps, weird Jul 01 15:57:33 pandora--: no...battery on Pre Jul 01 15:57:34 haeffb_pre: really?? man. yeah i'm planning on getting hers replaced Jul 01 15:57:40 chuqui: no connect from hp.com? :D Jul 01 15:57:46 haeffb_pre: yeah. my pre battery is weak Jul 01 15:57:56 sugardave: hahah Jul 01 15:58:17 chuqui: Congrats on the dawn of a new day! Jul 01 15:58:24 thanks! Jul 01 15:58:30 I'm looking forward to it. Jul 01 15:58:39 now....WHERE IS MY $5?! :P Jul 01 15:59:00 WHERE IS MY TABLET!?!? Jul 01 15:59:11 oh, that's better Jul 01 15:59:15 & PHONE!?!?! Jul 01 15:59:41 phhht. Jul 01 16:00:08 and dammit, I want my money-fartng unicorn, too Jul 01 16:00:22 @adora got that. Jul 01 16:00:33 i'm waiting for webos enabled printer ink cartridges Jul 01 16:00:34 * sugardave shakes his fist at Adora. Jul 01 16:01:01 my gf used to work in HP finance, and printer ink cartridges have their entire own division Jul 01 16:01:08 due to the ridiculous profits they produce Jul 01 16:01:17 yeah, it's pretty crazy Jul 01 16:01:26 my wife almost ruined our HP all-in-one Jul 01 16:01:36 she dropped an ink cartridge then tried to use it Jul 01 16:01:41 fried the printhead Jul 01 16:01:51 damndest thing I"d ever seen Jul 01 16:02:43 crazy Jul 01 16:05:59 i wonder if i hold my palm differently or put a bumper on it, it will get better battery life Jul 01 16:07:55 by your hand not blocking the signal? Jul 01 16:09:10 hahah Jul 01 16:22:04 Hello Jul 01 16:22:11 no Jul 01 16:36:11 when will palm annouce the winners? =-| Jul 01 16:36:23 winners of what? Jul 01 16:36:29 webos hot apps Jul 01 16:37:10 k Jul 01 16:42:43 are there any palm phones without a keyboard? Jul 01 16:45:11 oauth people: I'm playing around with some stuff and learning how this is supposed to work. I thought I just need to send my token/secret pair during the get request token phase, but the test system shows it is also sending a "nonce"...how do I know what the hell that should be? Jul 01 16:46:33 i think it's just the millis timestamp Jul 01 16:46:44 it was for my implementation at least (and it worked) Jul 01 16:47:10 Yalm uses oauth to auth users with their Yammer account Jul 01 16:47:42 well, there's timestamp....nonce looks to be alphanumeric, though Jul 01 16:47:51 I wonder if it's generated based on timestamp Jul 01 16:47:59 * sugardave delves deeper. Jul 01 16:48:15 is there onscreen keyboard with webOS? Jul 01 16:48:19 no Jul 01 16:48:29 there's a patch for it in PreWare, though Jul 01 16:48:38 preware? Jul 01 16:49:10 http://www.preware.org/ Jul 01 16:50:11 I am coming from iPhone, but always have loved the WebOS interface and interactions Jul 01 16:50:40 So WebOS is based on Linux Jul 01 16:50:55 yes Jul 01 16:51:06 pandora--: "The Consumer SHALL then generate a Nonce value that is unique for all requests with that timestamp", so I make it Jul 01 16:51:10 and therefore open Jul 01 16:51:31 sugardave: :) Jul 01 16:51:49 i just used millis timestamp for it Jul 01 16:52:23 pandora--: probably good enough UNLESS you had two people at the exact moment in time getting getting a request token :D Jul 01 16:52:26 unlikely Jul 01 16:54:10 NetLarIrvine: yes, the system is very open...if you want to get more into the linux side/internals, head over to #webos-internals Jul 01 16:54:22 those guys are geniuses Jul 01 16:54:39 we just do Mojo/JavaScript here :D Jul 01 16:54:51 ok Jul 01 16:55:07 Is there a more general room for the palm and the phone? Jul 01 16:55:23 that I'm not sure of Jul 01 16:56:36 pandora--: so what difficulty rating would you give to making oauth work in a webOS app? Jul 01 16:56:59 minimal, I got it working pretty easily for Yalm Jul 01 16:57:13 though, they allow use of cleartext since it's through https Jul 01 16:57:24 did you have to do any workarounds with embedded webviews, catch clicks, etc? Jul 01 16:58:31 nope, i just poped a browser window for them, with instructions "Yalm is about to open a browser window, once you authorize Yalm, you will be given a 4 digit code, type that code into the textfield here to continue" basically Jul 01 16:58:42 ah, okay Jul 01 16:58:43 thanks Jul 01 17:04:38 hello friends! Jul 01 17:04:44 rehi Jul 01 17:04:53 hi sugardave Jul 01 17:20:13 anybody working on the spaz client? Jul 01 17:20:53 I've been known to do that Jul 01 17:24:32 oh, haha, funkatron: i was just looking at one of your notes on the spaz github page. Jul 01 17:26:36 feel free to ask, here or in #spaz Jul 01 17:29:01 cool, thanks funkatron, i was just curious about how to participate, but i'm guessing i can find the answers on the spaz site? Jul 01 17:29:23 http://help.getspaz.com/faqs/general-25/contribute Jul 01 17:29:32 awesome, thanks Jul 01 17:29:44 we have hackathons frequently. next one is July 10 Jul 01 17:31:04 so, what is is called when you want to take two things (like timestamp and nduid), smash them together somehow to come up with something, and then armed with the new value and either one of the original items, extract the other? Jul 01 17:31:30 magic? Jul 01 17:31:37 no, the other one Jul 01 17:35:14 bob? Jul 01 17:38:31 I think it's "hashing" Jul 01 17:38:35 * sugardave reads. Jul 01 17:42:44 or checksum Jul 01 17:45:49 Hey Jul 01 17:47:42 * haeffb_pre calls everyone/thing 'bob' when I can't remember the name Jul 01 17:49:40 * sugardave considers just concatenating nduid+timestamp and calling it "good enough." Jul 01 17:50:23 will chuqui tell us when they will annouce it? Jul 01 17:50:36 chuqui: will you tell us when they announce it? Jul 01 17:53:19 I figure I'd keep it a secret and see who's pating attention. Jul 01 17:54:35 good plan Jul 01 17:54:51 you'll get more emails that way Jul 01 17:58:09 lol Jul 01 17:58:42 I just want to know whether I won because I've already spent some of my winning money =-| Jul 01 18:07:22 Nyceane: you never heard about not counting your chickens before they've hatched? Jul 01 18:07:51 and what if they pay you two months down the road? then what? Jul 01 18:08:20 risk/gambling is alright IF you can afford to lose :D Jul 01 18:14:53 BAH Jul 01 18:14:56 BELHEh Jul 01 18:21:37 Whats up kesne Jul 01 18:21:50 Hey it's CTLAdvance! Jul 01 18:22:01 I want a webOS Calculator Jul 01 18:23:44 anybody have IE7? Jul 01 18:24:17 I have IE9 Jul 01 18:28:41 hi Jul 01 18:28:41 Bonjour mes ami Jul 01 18:28:46 bon jour Jul 01 18:28:48 :) Jul 01 18:28:55 Anyone in here use canvas? Jul 01 18:28:57 kesne: there are calculators for webos Jul 01 18:29:07 * MetaView points on himself Jul 01 18:29:17 Have you used Ares IDE? Jul 01 18:29:18 MetaView: I mean a calculator running webOS Jul 01 18:29:28 Anivrom: no Jul 01 18:29:41 kesne: ok, ok, sounds very useful Jul 01 18:29:48 Have you been able to use widgets ontop of canvas? Jul 01 18:29:49 :P Jul 01 18:29:56 MetaView: did you get the new IPK? Jul 01 18:30:56 yes, but haven't install it yet Jul 01 18:31:12 Anivrom: yes, you can stack them over each other Jul 01 18:31:21 use z-order to bring them on top Jul 01 18:32:13 spaz doesn't work well on my system Jul 01 18:32:30 chuqui: were you able to get someone to look at that forum link i sent you yesterday? Jul 01 18:32:36 ok but when using Ares IDE you create the widgets at designtime. But canvas is created at runtime, so the problem is when I create the canvas at runtime it pushes the widgets down by the canvas height pixels Jul 01 18:33:00 no, use CSS to position the widgets Jul 01 18:33:16 class="mywidgetclass" Jul 01 18:33:34 I'm new to html and CSS. I only have a native programming background. Could you point me in the right direction on that one? Jul 01 18:33:37 then ion your CSS position:absolute; top:.... etc Jul 01 18:34:43 use google and try to find some tutorials, it took me some weeks to understand the basics of this CSS Jul 01 18:35:19 at the end the canvas is just another html element and you can stack and position any html element Jul 01 18:36:01 how would I access the widgets in html if they are created at dev-time. They arent in the html anywhere that I can see. Jul 01 18:36:52 Since I'm not actually coding them in there. ARES does that for me Jul 01 18:37:46 Grrr Jul 01 18:37:59 Onlive needs to hurry up an get my account set up Jul 01 18:40:16 Isn't there a property of canvas that can live in harmony with widgets right from initialization? I'm thinking of some attribute in the CSS Jul 01 18:40:43 your widgets have an id? Jul 01 18:41:26 Probably but I don't know because ARES creates the widgets thus there doesn't seem to be any HTML code associated with the initialization of them Jul 01 18:41:27 use this.controller.get("id").setStyle() or this.controller.get("id").addClass() Jul 01 18:41:48 the canvas has an ID Jul 01 18:41:48 how would you access the values of your widgets? Jul 01 18:44:23 I think this.controller."widgetname"."property Jul 01 18:45:39 then you might use this.controller.widgetname.setStyle() Jul 01 18:45:45 The thing is I want to be able to position my widgets in design-time and not have to "reposition" them in the code on initialization. Jul 01 18:46:06 then set the CSS style accordingly Jul 01 18:46:28 Hmm ok what style would give me that behaviour Jul 01 18:46:29 make position: fixed and give it a z-order Jul 01 18:46:33 google Jul 01 18:46:34 Ok Jul 01 18:46:54 there are millins of tutorial: how to layout with CSS Jul 01 18:47:53 :P I'm trying to avoid googling CSS because I don't plan on using it too extensively and I don't want to open pandoras box and have to fight through millions of unrelated tutorials but I guess I should just bite the bullet and learn it anyways. Jul 01 18:48:28 Anivrom: you're going to have to learn at least a little bit if you want your app to look reasonable Jul 01 18:49:55 That's why I'm using ARES :P So I can make it visually pleasing in Designtime :P ok Thanks for the help guys <3 Jul 01 18:50:17 i have a question about webviews: do they support clicking email addresses? Jul 01 18:56:06 So if I'm understanding this correctly, if I search hard enough, there is a way through styles I can make it so the canvas element doesn't push other widgets down to make itself fit when it is initialized? Jul 01 18:56:52 yes Jul 01 18:57:10 look at MapTool, it uses html-div's over canvas Jul 01 18:57:47 I'm assuming it has something to do with the property position: fixed? Jul 01 19:00:18 I suppose it would be more efficient to set the canvas element as fixed than the individual widgets scattered across my app? Jul 01 19:00:32 rather than* Jul 01 19:04:12 hey is anyone watching the palm vid with the hp cto? Jul 01 19:04:29 too much english for me, I'm too tired/lazy to follow :) Jul 01 19:04:49 :P Jul 01 19:04:49 as MetaView says in English :D Jul 01 19:04:54 hi MetaView ! :D Jul 01 19:05:07 Anivrom: IIRC I set the stripes on top to fixed Jul 01 19:05:13 hi dkirker Jul 01 19:05:50 now we have 2 weeks to prepare for the next contest :) Jul 01 19:06:03 but only 140 prices are not very much... Jul 01 19:06:06 which won't include me :'( Jul 01 19:06:10 * dkirker sobs Jul 01 19:14:02 * MetaView is fighting with Spaz Jul 01 19:14:27 lol Jul 01 19:14:30 good afternoon Jul 01 19:14:39 I'm sorry you're having such trouble with it, MetaView. If you have time and want to submit a dump of your messages.log, that might give me a clue Jul 01 19:15:03 So, Spaz is using titanium, eh? Jul 01 19:15:10 no, it's not the message log, it's the new tweets downloading Jul 01 19:15:29 MetaView: but the debugging info may give me a clue about why it's not downloading. 8) Jul 01 19:15:36 halfhalo_class: not yet! Jul 01 19:16:06 Heh, I havent used titanium in a long while, but am back to it for ipad stuff Jul 01 19:16:12 halfhalo_class: this is the roadmap right now, as it is: http://funkatron.com/site/comments/building-the-future-of-spaz/ Jul 01 19:16:32 evening Jul 01 19:16:41 actually I'm coming until thisA.mytl.addItems(no_dupes); in my_timeline_assistant.js and then I see a lot of calls to renderer but the code usually never goes behind this thisA.mytl.addItems(no_dupes); Jul 01 19:16:42 couple dates have changed tho Jul 01 19:17:46 I wonder if maybe the OS is killing the function?, will see what happens if I disable this call Jul 01 19:19:07 MetaView: I suppose it is possible, but I have no idea why it would be so slow unless you were running a very old version, or something was wrong with your unit (like very low memory). I can only guess Jul 01 19:19:24 but if you're using a debugger, that would tell you as much as I could. please tell me if you find something Jul 01 19:19:44 version is directly compiled fro mthe source Jul 01 19:19:46 a couple guys are working on converting that to a mojo list widget tho. you could probably fix the problem by helping them 8D Jul 01 19:20:22 not adding the tweets let it goes through Jul 01 19:21:02 okay, so something there Jul 01 19:21:24 yeah, why? I dunno. but I'm willing to bet it the conversion to MojoList will fix it Jul 01 19:21:36 when that will happen depends on people helping out Jul 01 19:28:38 how can i get a webview to support clicking an email address? Jul 01 19:30:13 never tried Jul 01 19:33:00 how about detecting when they click something? it's not working for me Jul 01 19:35:44 funkatron: i see there are 2 different template styles: dark and light, any way to switch between them? Jul 01 19:35:58 MetaView: I don't think I implemented the UI fully yet Jul 01 19:37:32 Chriswebos: I don't know how webview renders content, but look @ Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer() Jul 01 19:39:01 Chriswebos: there is an attribute or model property called interrogateClicks or something like that Jul 01 19:39:11 use that to intercept them, event.stop, then do what you want Jul 01 19:39:25 and mailto: links should open the email app Jul 01 19:39:28 Hi all! Jul 01 19:39:34 hi JenP Jul 01 19:39:42 hmm...let me check that out Jul 01 19:42:30 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/200289/hp_closes_palm_deal_confirms_webos_tablet.html Jul 01 19:42:35 pretty cool Jul 01 19:42:48 JenP: SUPAR PUMPED Jul 01 19:43:07 i know huh! Jul 01 19:43:42 * oil wants to see how webos works on a tablet before being pumped Jul 01 19:43:58 its great for a one-handed device Jul 01 19:44:17 I just think it will be fun Jul 01 19:44:32 hey all! Jul 01 19:44:52 dawm or dawm|laptop: did I even send you that thing? Jul 01 19:45:03 nope Jul 01 19:45:42 D: Jul 01 19:45:47 I'll send you an updated file today Jul 01 19:47:11 damn, I'll really have to learn C/C++ now Jul 01 19:49:09 sugardave: why do you say that? Jul 01 19:49:28 the white theme is not that bad, the font isa bit narrow Jul 01 19:49:52 well, I just assume that there will be a lot more I'll be able to do on a tablet or netbook hardware more easily Jul 01 19:50:00 I guess it depends on how awesome the js services get Jul 01 19:50:01 egaudet Jul 01 19:50:09 whats up, love the vkb! Jul 01 19:50:25 has there been anywork done to create a clear the ram app Jul 01 19:50:30 my dad just got an ipad for work, it's so dumb Jul 01 19:50:44 lol Jul 01 19:51:46 i'm with sugardave. Jul 01 19:52:21 that's a long road Jul 01 19:52:44 Ugh I can't figure this out for the life of me. Jul 01 19:53:08 Anivrom: so you're dead? Jul 01 19:53:19 Pretty much. Jul 01 19:53:21 "I feel fine!" Jul 01 19:54:07 Looked all over google and can't figure out how to create a canvas element so it sits "underneath" widgets. Jul 01 19:54:23 heh Jul 01 19:54:36 look for CSS zorder Jul 01 19:54:41 I tried that Jul 01 19:54:46 or is it z-order Jul 01 19:54:52 its z-index Jul 01 19:55:00 Anivrom: did you give it a negative number? Jul 01 19:55:04 yep Jul 01 19:55:19 how about giving the widget a really high one Jul 01 19:55:27 The widgets are created in design-time in ARES and the canvas is created in runtime. Jul 01 19:55:57 when you create the canvas element, change the z-index of the widget to be higher than the canvas Jul 01 19:56:12 Whats the code to do that again? Jul 01 19:56:13 :P Jul 01 19:56:25 this.controller.get('canvasId').style,zindex = 1000; i think Jul 01 19:56:34 lemme find out what z-index is changed to Jul 01 19:56:38 it might be zIndex Jul 01 19:57:01 z-index Jul 01 19:57:05 Don't I have to change the position of the canvas element to fixed? Jul 01 19:57:32 or absolute Jul 01 19:57:36 hmmm Jul 01 19:58:46 .canvas {position: fixed; top: 0px; z-index: 1} .widget {position: fixed; top: 0px; z-index: 10000} Jul 01 19:58:49 ought to do it Jul 01 19:59:01 The problem I'm having is I have the widgets positioned properly on the screen in Design time, then when I create a canvas in the main-scene.html it "pushes" the widgets down by 320 pixels which is the height of the canvas element in landscape Jul 01 19:59:16 this.controller.get('canvasId').style.zIndex = 1000; is how to change at runtime Jul 01 20:00:02 oh, you're using Ares Jul 01 20:00:05 yea Jul 01 20:00:08 ooops Jul 01 20:00:36 well, that CSS should still be valid, just assign those class names to the canvas and the widget Jul 01 20:00:36 set the canvas css to position absolute, and set its location with top/left Jul 01 20:00:39 should work Jul 01 20:00:50 I LOVE CSs Jul 01 20:01:21 I'm getting better at it Jul 01 20:01:21 Dawm: did that, I want the canvas elements zindex to be -1 instead of 1000 as per your example Jul 01 20:01:42 i was just giving a value Jul 01 20:01:45 ah Jul 01 20:02:01 Anyways I did all that in teh css and linked it just fine but it still no worky Jul 01 20:02:14 bummer Jul 01 20:02:24 whats the elements position? Jul 01 20:02:40 this.controller.get('canvasId').style.position = 'absolute'; Jul 01 20:03:06 zindex might not work if its placement is relative Jul 01 20:03:30 shouldnt the widgets position be fixed so the canvas element ignores it? Jul 01 20:03:43 cause when the canvas elemtn is created it pushes all widgets down Jul 01 20:03:49 yes, that's what I said ^^^^^ Jul 01 20:04:03 so set canvas position to absolute and widgets to fixed Jul 01 20:04:04 yeah cause the canvas gets stacked above them Jul 01 20:04:17 if its absolute its not gonna push anything around Jul 01 20:04:23 or you could also have canvas fixed if you needed it Jul 01 20:04:25 to be Jul 01 20:04:26 and should sit behind with zindex -1 Jul 01 20:04:49 i have a command menu setup, it displays properly but my StageAssistant handleCommand isn't being called... do i need to bind it somewhere? Jul 01 20:05:03 dawm|laptop: Planet Eaters uses a lot of CSS stuff Jul 01 20:05:09 Like the progress bars and such Jul 01 20:05:11 All CSS Jul 01 20:05:19 i think it needs to be in the sceneAssistant EmmettLollis Jul 01 20:05:41 oh, for each scene? Jul 01 20:06:01 nah, there's a way to just define it in the stageAssistant Jul 01 20:06:06 let me look at my src, i do it for ringwhere Jul 01 20:06:16 but you can do it in each scene Jul 01 20:06:24 to make sure things are working right :D Jul 01 20:06:29 i think Jul 01 20:06:39 if you have handlecommand in the sceneAss Jul 01 20:06:42 hey, is there a good tower defense game on webOS? Jul 01 20:06:43 it overrides Jul 01 20:06:59 funkatron: yes Jul 01 20:07:00 the examples i have put it in the stage assistant Jul 01 20:07:06 there is one at leastr Jul 01 20:07:40 i only have mine in my appAssistant Jul 01 20:08:24 Hmm I have widget div to fixed and zindex to 1, and canvas to absolute and zindex to -1 and now its just a blank screen now.. wtf Jul 01 20:09:41 I miss Sentinel 2 and Geo Defense from my iPhone Jul 01 20:10:02 oh, reviews are amusing Jul 01 20:10:35 "App works fine. I haven't downloaded latest update because it adds advertisements." Jul 01 20:10:48 how to detect if one tap on the touch bar beneath the screen? Jul 01 20:10:57 uhhh... ads were in EVERY version :) haha Jul 01 20:11:02 hmm, if i put it in my scene assistant it still doesn't work :/ Jul 01 20:11:04 metatap? Jul 01 20:11:12 MetaView: dump the events on handleCommand Jul 01 20:11:15 log it Jul 01 20:11:21 and see what happens when you hit it Jul 01 20:11:26 isn't there a key? Jul 01 20:11:29 in the view thats currently active at the time Jul 01 20:11:31 i think there is Jul 01 20:11:46 Mojo.Event <— check that file Jul 01 20:12:00 something like that Jul 01 20:13:24 HattCzech_work: I intentionally avoid reading reviews Jul 01 20:13:32 which might explain some things, but Jul 01 20:13:39 it just makes my life more stressful 8) Jul 01 20:13:48 HP CTO Phil McKinney "Our interest is in the phone business" Jul 01 20:13:56 HP CTO Phil McKinney "Palm will become the seed of innovation for our global mobile platforms" Jul 01 20:13:59 funkatron: that's a good and bad idea Jul 01 20:14:01 nice and clear! Jul 01 20:14:09 i read them and get irritated sometimes Jul 01 20:14:18 but others have given me some pretty good improvement ideas Jul 01 20:14:51 HattCzech_work: well, I can get away with it because I intentionally don't want to gain from my app other than enjoying the dev process Jul 01 20:15:02 funkatron: for spaz, are you deving seperate desktop, mobile, and web based clients? Jul 01 20:15:04 but most normal people should probably pay attention to it Jul 01 20:15:29 halfhalo_class: Desktop and mobile right now. some consideration is being given to going web for touch-based clients Jul 01 20:15:46 heheheh, normal developer = oxymoron Jul 01 20:16:02 halfhalo_class: the issue is basically maximizing the # of platforms it can be on with the very limited dev resources we have Jul 01 20:16:23 Alas success but now there's a new problem. When the orientation of teh screen changes my div of widgets disappears again, but if I dont touch it it loads just like Designtime Jul 01 20:16:31 MetaView: if you look @ keydown or keyup event... event.metakey: true Jul 01 20:17:08 Hey all :) Jul 01 20:17:29 Any ideas? Jul 01 20:17:41 any dev's got some free time to work on cleaning up some code and getting ready for GPL? Jul 01 20:17:48 are you using a neg attribute? Jul 01 20:17:56 Yeah, all I was going to say was... why not do a singular service and then just build the clients for all of the platforms after that. And for webos and titanium, just package the service in the app to make it client side only. Jul 01 20:18:03 spdsktr: no never Jul 01 20:18:10 hey mr. palmflashcards Jul 01 20:18:23 hello good sirs and mrs's Jul 01 20:18:26 dunivan: was that directed towards me? Jul 01 20:18:29 lol Jul 01 20:18:56 I have what I need to clean out of FMR ready, but figured someone might like to clean things up a bit more Jul 01 20:19:21 spdsktr: what's left that's not good for GPL? Jul 01 20:20:05 swisstomcat: No, it's fine fro GPL, but figured someone might wanna just clean up some things Jul 01 20:20:22 example? Jul 01 20:20:24 so your still throwing in the towel james? Jul 01 20:20:32 I literally just commented out some things and a hack job to bring resources local instead of the web service it ran on Jul 01 20:21:02 It's not so much throwing in the towel, just a shift in my priorities, and a shift in the future of the app Jul 01 20:21:23 <- Josh (Biocandy Labs) btw Jul 01 20:21:49 I would basically, just like to pas the torch Jul 01 20:22:05 i can understand that motivation Jul 01 20:22:17 i can take a look tomorrow Jul 01 20:22:25 at the code Jul 01 20:22:33 thats probably the best solution Jul 01 20:22:51 swisstomcat: cool Jul 01 20:22:59 uh oh Jul 01 20:23:07 anyone elses dropbox get a little emptier? Jul 01 20:23:10 :P Jul 01 20:23:18 I have her all packaged up and ready to go. The only real thing begging for cleanup is the Send To App scene Jul 01 20:24:02 haeffb_wirc: thx Jul 01 20:24:27 dawm|laptop: oh no! early access sdk gone? Jul 01 20:24:55 HattCzech_work: yeah, prolly means its gonna get pushed to the public Jul 01 20:25:23 i wonder which build Jul 01 20:27:06 we should get 1.4.5 official now that it is out on 2 carriers in Europe Jul 01 20:27:11 it's public, so no more beta Jul 01 20:27:20 'Application updates are available' Jul 01 20:27:30 thats just apps fo Jul 01 20:27:32 foo Jul 01 20:28:14 webos 1.4.5 SDK now released for all developers Jul 01 20:28:24 now i just want 1.4.5 on my phone :) Jul 01 20:28:31 webosdev tweet Jul 01 20:28:40 i wonder what build Jul 01 20:29:13 ahh Jul 01 20:29:17 its the same as the early access Jul 01 20:29:21 465 Jul 01 20:29:22 build 465 Jul 01 20:29:27 webOS 1.4.5 SDK now released for all developers. more info here: http://bit.ly/cCzs8q Jul 01 20:29:28 yeah Jul 01 20:30:09 You know, Chuq did say 465 would be final Jul 01 20:30:49 hrm Jul 01 20:31:05 it says new pdk samples on git but i dont see em Jul 01 20:31:36 okay...serviceRequest is a method of the scene controller...but what if I want to get nduid in the stage controller before pushing my first scene? Jul 01 20:31:41 swisstomcat: thanks for getting my app noticed in the german-speaking community Jul 01 20:31:51 how can the pdk be in official release when there is still no linux version for it Jul 01 20:32:02 sugardave: i do the deviceId get from appcontroller... let me pull the code Jul 01 20:32:10 hattchzech_work: did it work? Jul 01 20:32:10 gracias Jul 01 20:32:15 They arent required to support linux on an official release :) Jul 01 20:32:23 swisstomcat: looks like it did... i got to #317 :) Jul 01 20:32:27 no but they stated it in the FAQs Jul 01 20:33:26 New sample apps that demonstrate PDK functionality have been uploaded to Palm's GitHub repository . Jul 01 20:33:50 • 64-bit versions of Windows are not currently supported. Jul 01 20:33:51 • PDK development on Linux is not currently supported. Jul 01 20:33:58 doh! Jul 01 20:34:16 bah Jul 01 20:34:30 i had to setup a windows machine for pdk stuff Jul 01 20:34:40 ive got my macbook Jul 01 20:34:49 but i have no idea what im doing in c Jul 01 20:34:50 The PDK includes its own tools to support development and debugging of plug-ins for webOS apps, and (like the webOS SDK) will allow development on the Windows, Mac and Linux platforms (though only Windows and Mac are supported in the public beta). Jul 01 20:34:51 :P Jul 01 20:35:08 "will allow" being the key phrase Jul 01 20:35:26 the stuff in the parentheses is the thing i bitch about Jul 01 20:35:50 hey i love my webos and i love coding in the sdk.. yet i do wanna have my full pdk codage going Jul 01 20:35:54 as with everything on the intarwebs, they might not have updated that line of wording yet Jul 01 20:36:09 sugardave: there is a Mojo.Controller version... Jul 01 20:36:20 ah, just on Controller? Jul 01 20:36:24 will check it, thanks Jul 01 20:36:26 they wouldn't state it if it were a lie... would they? Jul 01 20:36:52 dave, what are you doing Jul 01 20:36:52 not sure exactly...have to look @ my code...at home Jul 01 20:37:03 sugardave: http://webos.pastebin.com/WzX8jHck Jul 01 20:37:27 goodnight everyone Jul 01 20:37:33 an exciting day! Jul 01 20:37:47 night Jul 01 20:37:59 ya, what HattCzech_work said! Jul 01 20:38:24 oh yah.. Jul 01 20:38:26 oh, and swisstomcat, that was #217, btw :) haha Jul 01 20:38:37 oh, cool .. you made it! Jul 01 20:38:45 dave Mojo.Controller.* is pretty much the same as this.controller Jul 01 20:38:52 not the caps Jul 01 20:38:55 note Jul 01 20:39:06 Mojo.Service.Request Jul 01 20:39:35 and for some reason, you have to declare it as a variable (or at least the way i implement it) Jul 01 20:40:34 oh, duh Jul 01 20:40:43 new Mojo.Service.Request Jul 01 20:40:46 HattCzech_work: thanks Jul 01 20:41:02 so there Jul 01 20:41:10 wtf is fushigi Jul 01 20:41:12 's some ad implementation for you :) hehe Jul 01 20:41:23 dawm|laptop: essentially trying to run a scene controller method without having a scene controller Jul 01 20:41:29 but this is better Jul 01 20:41:29 heres what my command menu stuff looks like.. displays properly but commands dont work: http://pastebin.com/9DHYfqwF Jul 01 20:41:39 sugardave: one stage? Jul 01 20:42:14 HattCzech_work: yeah Jul 01 20:42:18 it works great Jul 01 20:42:47 yeah, the multi-stage thing messes with so much stuff Jul 01 20:42:54 I just wanted to fire the call in my stage assistant before pushing the first scene, this works well Jul 01 20:42:55 EmmettLollis: thats similar to how i do it Jul 01 20:43:06 it doesn't show the log entry for handleCommand so evidently it's not being called Jul 01 20:43:28 shouldn't handleCommand be bound somewhere? Jul 01 20:43:37 does your sceneassistant have a handlecommand function? Jul 01 20:44:08 yeah, thats the 2nd function in the code Jul 01 20:44:29 and the pastie is from your stageAss? Jul 01 20:44:34 neat, PDK and SDK are included in the same install now Jul 01 20:44:36 yes Jul 01 20:44:38 no Jul 01 20:44:44 not from stage assistant Jul 01 20:44:50 from my main scene Jul 01 20:44:55 oh ok Jul 01 20:44:59 well if your in the scene Jul 01 20:45:06 you dont need the fancy getActiveScene() Jul 01 20:45:07 i tried in stage assistant first Jul 01 20:45:15 ok Jul 01 20:45:21 Yeah this is nice... Jul 01 20:45:24 you have codebits that shouldnt be there Jul 01 20:45:34 just remove the this.controller = .... line Jul 01 20:46:15 Oooh. i think it's calling it now Jul 01 20:46:23 actually got an error from handleCommand :d Jul 01 20:46:25 :D Jul 01 20:46:29 lol Jul 01 20:47:06 looks like handleCommand i Jul 01 20:47:24 s a method of your setup() Jul 01 20:47:40 not a method of the Assistant Jul 01 20:47:56 it works! thanks dawm Jul 01 20:48:11 do I even have the tap coordinates in keydown event? Jul 01 20:48:23 haeffb, they are 2 seperate functions Jul 01 20:48:37 means, can I distingush between left and right from the middle? Jul 01 20:48:43 grouped together in a prototype array.. i guess that would be the term Jul 01 20:48:58 it would be terrific Jul 01 20:49:01 if its not a term it should be Jul 01 20:49:50 ok...hard to tell on this tiny screen... Jul 01 20:50:11 heh Jul 01 20:50:12 MetaView: don't know, didn't look Jul 01 20:50:14 yeah, plus i didn't paste all the code Jul 01 20:50:56 EmmettLollis: I may soon become your competition... Jul 01 20:51:22 how so? Jul 01 20:51:23 ...in the calorie tracking field. Jul 01 20:51:51 just stumbled across something I looked at months ago & forgot about Jul 01 20:52:06 cool Jul 01 20:52:35 not cool....I destroy my competition!!! Jul 01 20:52:37 did they take down the leaderboard Jul 01 20:52:43 :) Jul 01 20:53:16 Anyone know if they took down the hot apps leaderboard for webos sdk Jul 01 20:53:25 yeah they did Jul 01 20:53:31 their doing an audit on the results Jul 01 20:54:04 nice Jul 01 20:54:46 This official release came just intime Jul 01 20:54:58 Fresh install on our dev machines Jul 01 21:00:54 has anyone heard if a new phone will be coming out for Sprint anytime soon? Jul 01 21:01:42 yeah Jul 01 21:01:43 nothing official, only rumors Jul 01 21:01:49 its called the Palm Post Jul 01 21:02:09 Palm Gran Prix Jul 01 21:02:35 Palm 5G Jul 01 21:02:40 with 1 more G Jul 01 21:02:43 has a front facing camera with software called FacePalm too Jul 01 21:02:44 Palm iPK Jul 01 21:02:50 I need the more GBs Jul 01 21:02:51 yeah facepalm ftw Jul 01 21:03:00 LOL Jul 01 21:03:11 and the wi-fis Jul 01 21:03:16 hahaha Jul 01 21:03:24 can someone tell me how to center the items in the commandmenu? Jul 01 21:03:30 My wife calls WiFi "wee fees" Jul 01 21:03:38 Chriswebos, in your items, put {}, your items, {} Jul 01 21:03:39 add {} around the item you want to center Jul 01 21:03:45 spdsktr: is she French? Jul 01 21:03:47 what dawm said Jul 01 21:03:53 sugardave: Honduran Jul 01 21:03:57 ah Jul 01 21:04:31 sugardave: she also used so say "front head" instead of "forehead", so idk about her :) Jul 01 21:04:32 i love the island line Jul 01 21:04:37 if they remove like 30 apps, my other app would make it =D Jul 01 21:04:37 lol Jul 01 21:05:01 coolness!!! thanks guys... Jul 01 21:05:02 they should still give out free palms =-| Jul 01 21:05:03 it has an app will build you an island and transforms into a jet and flys you there Jul 01 21:05:10 putting out another app real quick Jul 01 21:05:27 someone actually suggested hot apps winners should get free dev phones too, which would be cool Jul 01 21:05:37 Nyceane: use the rest of the money you haven't spent to get one Jul 01 21:05:49 that would be cool Jul 01 21:05:49 dawm: that was hilarious Jul 01 21:05:50 spdsktr, id be down if it was a sprint compatible pre+ Jul 01 21:05:52 HattCzech_work, did you make it in the end? =-D Jul 01 21:06:03 HattCzech_work, money is more liquid than palm pre =-| Jul 01 21:06:05 it appears i did Jul 01 21:06:07 dawm: amen to that! I want a +, but I am not leaving sprint Jul 01 21:06:09 i might buy a used one Jul 01 21:06:15 #217 Jul 01 21:06:29 i want the one with the bigger gbs Jul 01 21:06:34 nice Jul 01 21:06:45 money is only as liquid as you let it be ;) Jul 01 21:07:05 'my sister says walgreens has them'... LOLz Jul 01 21:07:10 lol Jul 01 21:07:11 yeah, my contract is too good to switch carriers... $50/month FTW! Jul 01 21:07:13 lol Jul 01 21:09:28 How many dev's would be interested in a podcast aimed at you? Jul 01 21:10:08 looks like the 1.4.5 SDK is official now? Jul 01 21:10:18 I want the plus with the bigger bgs and the apps on tmo Jul 01 21:11:26 spdsktr: I would be interested. I'm always looking for more podcasts to listen to during my commute. Jul 01 21:11:37 halfhalo, what are bgs? Jul 01 21:11:54 i think you need the evo if you want bigger bgs (backgrounds) Jul 01 21:11:55 like gbs, but wifis Jul 01 21:12:07 or the beegees Jul 01 21:13:29 yeah Jul 01 21:13:37 1.4.5 sdk is out and official Jul 01 21:14:04 when beeing root with the help of novaterm: how can I edit files? Jul 01 21:14:25 nano vim and aaaa vi works Jul 01 21:14:30 VI my friend :) Jul 01 21:14:51 anyone want to buy a VisorPrism? its old, hasnt been charged in like.. 8yrs and includes original box Jul 01 21:15:23 I still have my palm III Jul 01 21:15:40 heh, I have a Handspring Visor at home somewhere Jul 01 21:16:35 * oilsworkn has no need for a paper weight Jul 01 21:16:38 :) Jul 01 21:16:58 halfhalo_class: i think i still have my IIIxe somewhere Jul 01 21:17:45 I broke my newer m300. Used that for years until I got an ipaq.... which I broke like right after i got it Jul 01 21:17:55 the x was for extra ram (8MB!!!) Jul 01 21:18:05 RAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM Jul 01 21:19:05 i think i can beat you all with archaic PDAs Jul 01 21:19:19 I had the developer edition linux Agenda VR3 Jul 01 21:19:21 :D Jul 01 21:19:25 Robdor: any specific topics of interest? getting one started with some of the best webOS dev's there is Jul 01 21:20:39 * HattCzech_work smiles and nods at pandora-- Jul 01 21:20:45 i have no idea what that is ;) Jul 01 21:21:30 so will it be called HP Developer Day next year? Jul 01 21:22:14 HattCzech_work: haha Jul 01 21:22:26 HattCzech_work: it was the first commercially available linux pda Jul 01 21:22:29 dohtem: No, it's still Palm Jul 01 21:22:54 ah Jul 01 21:23:16 ahhh, i remember there were a couple linux pdas that i wanted Jul 01 21:23:26 but HS money couldn't afford it :) Jul 01 21:24:31 HattCzech_work: HS money bought me a palm III, but yeah, agenda vr3 came later Jul 01 21:24:52 remember the sharp zaurus? Jul 01 21:24:59 yeah Jul 01 21:25:01 i always wanted one Jul 01 21:25:59 dohtem: yeah, i think that's the one i wanted Jul 01 21:26:30 I still remember the first Windows CE device I saw. I had a wtf moment. Jul 01 21:26:55 a friend was in the army, stationed in Japan and he bought it out there Jul 01 21:27:01 *here Jul 01 21:35:32 hi. anyone there? Jul 01 21:35:45 mayyyyyyyyyybe Jul 01 21:36:00 ja Jul 01 21:36:06 i'll take it as a yes. :) So I have a basic question i was hoping someone could answer. How do you debug a PDK c++ app on the device? Jul 01 21:36:22 please don't say WinGDB -- tried it, getting constant crashes... unusable in its current form. Jul 01 21:36:37 partnerinflight: have you tried outsourcing to india? Jul 01 21:36:55 hehehe. yeah. i work for a fairly large software company that outsources a lot to india... ;) Jul 01 21:37:03 but this particular project is my own Jul 01 21:37:16 heh Jul 01 21:37:43 basically i think i need to configure arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gdb Jul 01 21:37:45 but i have no idea how Jul 01 21:37:59 there must be a tutorial on how to do this that i missed... Jul 01 21:38:00 ok, I'm off - Spaz looks already much nicer and has some of the feature I want ;) Jul 01 21:38:10 g'night Jul 01 21:38:17 partnerinflight: compile your code with -g and just use gdb on the device ? Jul 01 21:38:25 you can attach to the LunaSysMgr PID Jul 01 21:38:34 you should be abl eto set your breakpoint you want Jul 01 21:38:58 so definitely compiling with -g... but what about seeing the source file... gdb on the device means no involvement from host, or what? Jul 01 21:39:25 (i come entirely from Windows/VisualStudio world... know zip about gdb) Jul 01 21:40:03 oh, you want to do remote debugging so you can step through the local source ? Jul 01 21:40:11 ideally, yes Jul 01 21:41:06 well, usually with -g, you're able to see the source ... inline .. without having the source on the device Jul 01 21:41:31 but you're talking on the device itself, right? Jul 01 21:41:45 seems like a painful way to step through source... Jul 01 21:41:57 yes, running gdb on the device itself .. gdb has a way to do remote debugging, but i've never done it Jul 01 21:42:06 http://docs.hp.com/en/9375/gdb.pdf - might be a good thing to read? amusing it's on HP's website Jul 01 21:42:42 that seems very helpful, thanks!! Jul 01 21:43:13 i'm still hoping the WinGDB folks get their act together and make a product that actually does what's advertised. that would make life much easier for us windows people Jul 01 21:43:58 http://code.google.com/p/beaverdbg/ - that might be helpful ? Jul 01 21:44:21 looks like it's supported by Windows and is a GDB front end Jul 01 21:46:07 heeeeeeyyyyy. that looks VERY promising Jul 01 21:47:00 if it works, maybe you should let Palm know or at least write up some instructions for others to use ? Jul 01 21:47:39 i'll give it a shot. if i succeed i'll write something up Jul 01 21:48:21 awesome Jul 01 21:48:29 good luck with your debugging endeavors Jul 01 21:49:55 thanks. :) just installed it. trying to figure out how to configure. Jul 01 21:52:33 so i think the issue is how to configure CodeSourcery's gdb debugger to target the remote platform. reading the pdf to see if i can figure it out... Jul 01 21:58:33 nice now facebook works just by changing the hosts entry :) Jul 01 21:58:36 yeeehaaa Jul 01 21:58:52 I also installed fb chat spoof Jul 01 21:59:16 I wonder why palm doesn't ship this killerfeature out of box... Jul 01 22:04:18 man, i piled up $7000 credit card debt, and hoping for the Palm hotapp rescue to pay off my credit cards =D Jul 01 22:05:35 Nyceane: here's a good lesson: don't spend what you don't have ;) keeps the debt very low Jul 01 22:06:07 Dave ramsey FTW Jul 01 22:07:06 hehehe Jul 01 22:07:47 Hey guys what's the current solution for text using canvas? Jul 01 22:08:03 text in a div floating above the canvas? Jul 01 22:08:22 ^_^ Jul 01 22:21:58 :O Jul 01 22:26:40 When is Palm paying that hitapp money Jul 01 22:27:39 *hotapp Jul 01 22:29:12 eventually Jul 01 22:30:03 somediy Jul 01 22:32:25 interesting tidbit: 1278021373000 sent as a parameter in launchParams actually results in 2147483647 being passed to handleLaunch Jul 01 22:32:41 '' + 1278021373000 works Jul 01 22:34:10 * haeffb assumes some sort of overflow problem for numbers passed thru the framework Jul 01 22:40:21 hmm, who ships a battery completely dead? Jul 01 22:40:34 I thought they were usually stored and shipped at about 40% Jul 01 22:46:27 hey Jul 01 22:46:32 i can't seem to uninstall my palm webos sdk Jul 01 22:46:35 any ideas? Jul 01 22:47:58 which os ? Jul 01 22:48:03 mac Jul 01 22:48:17 what happens when you run the uninstall script from the dmg ? Jul 01 22:48:41 the palm sdk don't appear to be installed via this installer Jul 01 22:48:44 aborting logout Jul 01 22:49:06 weird Jul 01 22:49:12 worked well for me Jul 01 22:49:13 :( Jul 01 22:49:30 i just reinstlled the sdk/pdk Jul 01 22:49:38 uninstall script worked just fine Jul 01 22:50:00 im happy to see that the pdk template was properly added to xcode, cause it wasnt before Jul 01 22:51:19 hehe Jul 01 22:51:21 http://www.handhelditems.com/iphone-case-with-inner-circle-design-clear-blue-p-137238.html Jul 01 22:51:28 Uninstalling the SDK manually shouldn't be hard Jul 01 22:51:29 reminds me of pixi Jul 01 22:52:01 Eh, I think the bumper is the best case if you're going to get an iPhone 4 Jul 01 22:52:10 yah tried again Jul 01 22:52:20 Amaranth, how do i uninstall it manually Jul 01 22:52:25 its kind of connected to eclipse too Jul 01 22:52:33 ah, right Jul 01 22:52:42 I just use the command line stuff Jul 01 22:52:46 so.... *shrug* Jul 01 22:52:58 What happens when you try to run the installer? Jul 01 22:53:29 it just says updgrade upgrade upgrade install Jul 01 22:53:30 lol Jul 01 22:53:47 So it won't do the install? Jul 01 22:53:48 i guess i dont really have to uninstall =D Jul 01 22:53:53 it did Jul 01 22:54:01 Now run the uninstaller :) Jul 01 22:54:06 lol =| Jul 01 22:54:13 i m used to follow instructions Jul 01 22:55:23 eh...SDK install page says "install VB 3.2.6" but the download button gets 3.1.6 Jul 01 22:56:49 so, which is correct? Jul 01 22:57:43 i downloaded 3.2.6 Jul 01 22:57:52 and it seems to run very well Jul 01 22:59:57 alright, so i need to use pdk Jul 01 23:00:00 whats new in pdk? Jul 01 23:00:10 different methods for PDL calls Jul 01 23:00:15 better pixi support Jul 01 23:02:58 adios all Jul 01 23:25:03 how can i grab the html code rendered in a webview element? Jul 01 23:57:21 Who's got a good app I can talk about on the podcast tonight? Jul 02 00:13:32 Roy-Pre101: i think my app is pretty good haha, but i'm biased. Jul 02 00:13:44 ditto here Jul 02 00:13:54 Which are they? Jul 02 00:14:03 oh wait, you're looking for a good app Jul 02 00:14:09 :D Jul 02 00:14:12 fast url pro Jul 02 00:14:13 that rules mine out Jul 02 00:14:21 Something worth talking about. What does Fast URL Pro do? Jul 02 00:14:39 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.guylabs.fasturlpro, it saves URLs for people on the go. Jul 02 00:14:52 and lets them view them in the webos browser, email to someone, or sms. Jul 02 00:15:26 mine is just a diet tracker (unfinished) Jul 02 00:16:33 i'm trying to get my free version, fast url lite on the app catalog too. it exists in the web feed as 'fast url' Jul 02 00:16:56 I'll play with it next week, if I can remember, and see if I want to talk about it! Jul 02 00:17:16 Roy-Pre101: have you checked out Email Companion? Jul 02 00:17:32 cool, i can send you the ipk if you want Roy-Pre101 Jul 02 00:17:41 Nope, I haven't tried it. What's it do? Jul 02 00:17:54 dpivs: Sure, send me the .ipk Jul 02 00:18:00 It adds several features to the email for the Pre Jul 02 00:18:08 k, i'm guessing i can find your email addy on pre101? Jul 02 00:18:21 stuff like auto BCC, text alerts, email lists, view all unreads for a given day Jul 02 00:18:25 pre101@ Jul 02 00:18:30 it'll soon have auto reply Jul 02 00:18:54 it also sorts emails by contacts...allows you to flag emails by address or keyword so you know when one comes in Jul 02 00:18:57 Chriswebos: Is this in the App Catalog? Jul 02 00:19:20 it's in HB...app catalog won't allow it since it uses undoc'd apis Jul 02 00:19:30 I was guessing that... Jul 02 00:19:31 i'm trying to get an activator in HB Jul 02 00:19:44 finally got my help to load up, what a pain Jul 02 00:19:48 please check it out...i was hoping precentral would say something about it Jul 02 00:19:53 Maybe we can try it out in our HB section next week. I'll want to play with something like that a lot more. Downloading it now. Jul 02 00:20:20 Great...i know it has a few tweaks needed, but it's pretty good. Jul 02 00:22:44 Roy-Pre101: pre101@webosroundup.com, right? Jul 02 00:23:03 dpivs: @pre101.com Jul 02 00:23:14 oh, funky alright. Jul 02 00:23:27 roy@w...com Jul 02 00:23:33 but use pre101 Jul 02 00:26:39 Roy-Pre101: cool, just sent it over, thanks for giving it a look. Jul 02 00:30:01 Glad to! Jul 02 00:30:25 Roy is the man Jul 02 00:57:23 hrm Jul 02 00:58:58 really? Jul 02 01:07:11 lemketron: SDK install page instructions say "Download VB 3.2.6" but the download link is for 3.1.6 Jul 02 01:07:21 for Windows Jul 02 01:17:23 anyone messed with the PDK at all? i just reinstalled it and trying to compile the sample apps and im getting a ton of errors about libs not being found.. did they not fix the sample app build scripts? Jul 02 01:17:33 doesnt help im a total noob either Jul 02 01:18:38 Lolol Jul 02 01:18:57 dawm|laptop: you need to set up the libs Jul 02 01:25:51 i didnt with the early release sdk Jul 02 01:27:01 gah, why does every 2D OpenGL engine I find do crazy stuff? Jul 02 01:27:35 They either use boost or glfw or it would take a long to port it as to write my own code Jul 02 01:29:01 I'm rewatching season 1 of lost Jul 02 01:36:09 why oh why isn't my fiber hooked up yet? downloading 250MB over evdo is painful. Jul 02 02:08:09 good evening everyone Jul 02 02:08:19 Those running Linux - do you see novacomd VM and memory usage growing continuously over time, even when you haven't been using it? Jul 02 02:21:09 i'm so close to ready for release :) Jul 02 02:22:21 hello pplz Jul 02 02:22:28 hi Anivrom Jul 02 02:22:35 got a super noob question that I can't find an answer to in documentation Jul 02 02:23:04 How do I change the text of a label or button during runtime Jul 02 02:23:21 I know with button I can use innerHTML but is there an easier way Jul 02 02:23:23 EmmettLollis: need testers? Jul 02 02:23:30 and labels I just can't seem to figure it out Jul 02 02:24:16 haeffb.. those are called paid downloaders.. lol jk Jul 02 02:24:58 Anyone? :P I know you guys know this. Jul 02 02:25:56 i've got one more report to add, then maybe some help screens Jul 02 02:26:08 then demo video Jul 02 02:26:14 then get rejected by palm Jul 02 02:26:31 Anivrom: don't do Ares Jul 02 02:26:50 oh i might know Anivrom.. let me check Jul 02 02:27:02 Even if I didn't do ares I still don't know Jul 02 02:27:21 bah Jul 02 02:27:34 I come from VB/AS3 background so I need visual designtime Jul 02 02:27:35 :P Jul 02 02:27:41 Anivrom: this.$.mealsHeader.setLabel(headerString); Jul 02 02:27:47 that does the text on a header Jul 02 02:27:59 Hmmm ok I was doing setLabel = "text" Jul 02 02:28:13 PDL_Init .. wasnt fixed in the pdk.. comment it out and now the sample app works Jul 02 02:29:18 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'setLabel' of object (app/assistants/main-assistant.js:29) Jul 02 02:29:45 while executing this code this.controller.petMsg.setLabel("new text"); Jul 02 02:29:54 am I not using it right? Jul 02 02:30:58 this.controller('petMsg').setLabel('new text'); Jul 02 02:31:16 this.controller.get('petMsg')... Jul 02 02:31:16 sorry Jul 02 02:31:26 works both ways Jul 02 02:31:51 Hmm so I need to "get" an object everytime I want to edit the properties of one? Jul 02 02:32:04 or use EmmettLollis version Jul 02 02:32:08 this.$... Jul 02 02:32:37 i have both versions in my code... i just like this.$ since its shorter Jul 02 02:32:37 What does the $ mean? I googled it but it was far from helpful. Jul 02 02:33:04 There's practically no documentation on mojo/palm stuff out there. Jul 02 02:33:24 practically Jul 02 02:33:28 might be some kind of pointer, not sure what the official term would be Jul 02 02:33:39 What does it point to? Jul 02 02:34:09 i'm guessing controller Jul 02 02:34:13 :P ok Jul 02 02:34:32 universally when programming webos? Jul 02 02:35:26 no, it's an Ares thing Jul 02 02:35:30 yeah Jul 02 02:35:35 haeffb is right Jul 02 02:35:42 er, a Prototype thing Jul 02 02:36:15 ah. Well it works now, I was putting setLabel = "blah" which is apparently not the right syntax even though in EVERY other language it makes sense Jul 02 02:36:17 :P Jul 02 02:36:45 how can i grab the html code rendered in a webview element? Jul 02 02:37:51 * haeffb trying the SKD 1.4.5 install for the second time Jul 02 02:37:57 Chriswebos: why would you want to? Jul 02 02:38:16 i need to parse out the email address in the html Jul 02 02:38:36 Chriswebos: Why not just ajax it? Jul 02 02:38:51 where's the html code coming from? Jul 02 02:39:19 well, i want the html in a webview so i can have the tap-zoom...html code coming from a website Jul 02 02:39:31 Ok so apparently this.controller.petMsg.setLabel doesn't work but this.$.petMsg.setLabel works fine.... wtf? Jul 02 02:39:56 i guess i could do the ajax, then do an openurl...but i don't wanna do a double ping of the url if i can do it more elegantly Jul 02 02:41:17 because this.controller.get('petMsg').setLabel is the correct syntax ? Jul 02 02:41:33 ah... pretty gary Jul 02 02:42:05 SDK didn't like it when I installed somewhere other than the default path... Jul 02 02:42:08 I'm learning HTML CSS and JAVASCRIPT all at the same time from migrating to webOS Jul 02 02:42:30 although js isnt that hard since I know the concepts Jul 02 02:42:32 Anivrom: I learned it all at the same time as well. Just keep chugging away... Jul 02 02:43:15 Atleast I have patient friends such as yourself, willing to answer my petty requests for knowledge Jul 02 02:43:24 <:D Jul 02 02:43:32 * haeffb wonders if there are any new eclipse tools for 1.4.5 Jul 02 02:44:00 I'm also new to IRC, how do I do thoughts like that? Jul 02 02:44:05 * is thinking Jul 02 02:44:08 lol Jul 02 02:44:42 haeffb: any ideas on how i could get the html? Jul 02 02:45:10 / me Jul 02 02:45:22 * Anivrom is thinking Jul 02 02:45:23 yay Jul 02 02:45:33 woooo! Jul 02 02:45:42 * Anivrom choo choo's like a train Jul 02 02:45:48 Chriswebos: nope, haven't used webview Jul 02 02:46:11 * how do you do that? Jul 02 02:46:17 My wife is slaving me to build a pet game for webOS since there aren't any and they are her favourite kind of games. So she can hog my phone Jul 02 02:46:27 * Chriswebos something Jul 02 02:46:28 Chriswebos: type / me Jul 02 02:46:30 :P Jul 02 02:46:57 * Chriswebos actually learned something Jul 02 02:46:59 * kesne is supprised at the amount of noobs in this room Jul 02 02:47:00 Btw is there a shortcut to put someones name infront when you want to address them specifically? Jul 02 02:47:13 Everyones gotta start somewhere kesne :'( Jul 02 02:47:16 * Anivrom sobs Jul 02 02:47:29 * Chriswebos isn't too much of a noob...just didn't read the manual Jul 02 02:47:33 Hehe Jul 02 02:47:46 lol Jul 02 02:47:50 Actually, are there pet games on webos? Jul 02 02:47:56 it's called tab completion Jul 02 02:48:09 so if i type ani [TAB] it will autocomplete to Anivrom Jul 02 02:48:17 :D!!!! Jul 02 02:48:24 Wolvenhaven: Thanks! Jul 02 02:48:48 you can also hit tab to scroll through people with similar names Jul 02 02:48:50 what's a pet game? Jul 02 02:49:04 a tab tab tab Jul 02 02:49:05 like tamagachi or something similiar. Jul 02 02:49:14 i loved those things when i was a kid Jul 02 02:49:17 where you take care of it Jul 02 02:49:45 Yea I'm in the process of building one as per request from my wife. Like I said, she's enslaving me Jul 02 02:52:32 my Pre is disgruntled. Jul 02 02:52:47 unhappy that my emu has a newer version of webOS than it does. Jul 02 02:53:30 So apparently palm has flash now and we are just waiting for it to be released? Jul 02 02:53:38 i'm so stoked for that Jul 02 02:53:55 really huh Jul 02 02:54:18 That's what I read today. It's been shipped to palm on the 22nd of some month Jul 02 02:55:50 chances of it hitting the first gen pre high? Jul 02 02:56:30 Well it's already been demo'd so it's technically possible. I don't see why it wouldn't Jul 02 02:56:51 I feel like support's just gonna drop hard for first gen Jul 02 02:57:54 I really hope not because I JUST got my pre for 0 dollars on contract and I don't feel like spending hundreds just to upgrade **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010