**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010 Jul 02 03:02:30 yeah I just got pre hand-me-down from a friend that went to evo 4G Jul 02 03:02:51 lucky duck Jul 02 03:03:24 I wish Bell carried Pre+ though, Too Many Cards gets old fast Jul 02 03:03:50 definitely Jul 02 03:04:27 no cards open, try to start app -> "too many cards" Jul 02 03:04:45 sorry gotta restart the phone! Jul 02 03:04:49 3 hours after iphone 4g came out there were complaints about 0 bars from holding it on a certain corner Jul 02 03:04:52 el oh el? Jul 02 03:05:05 The solution: dont hold it on that corner or get a case Jul 02 03:05:20 I went to the apple store today to try an iphone 4 Jul 02 03:05:29 and dang it all, I forgot to test the reception issue Jul 02 03:05:33 :P Jul 02 03:05:46 too busy trying to see the pixels lol Jul 02 03:30:36 47,000 engineers at HP Jul 02 03:43:11 really? Google only has 20,000 employees. Quite the contrast Jul 02 03:48:27 is HP really that big Jul 02 03:48:31 woo Jul 02 03:48:48 has anyone had issues playing movies around 600+ MB in size Jul 02 03:48:58 how the heck do I change the label property of my label thats on the main scene from my game.js file. Jul 02 03:56:09 pass the widget to the game.js Jul 02 03:56:18 I think I did that Jul 02 03:57:01 myVar = this.controller.get('myLabel') Jul 02 03:57:06 I created a variable in the global declarations section called petMsgBind and then in main-assistant I have game.petMsgBind = document.getElementById("petMsg"); Jul 02 04:10:37 i wonder if palm will announce a new device Jul 02 04:11:18 at some point in time in the future, i'm willing to say yes Jul 02 04:11:37 Well I just got my Pre so I'd feel so outdated :( Jul 02 04:29:49 Alright I've had enough head bashing/debugging/googling for the night. Cya tomorrow guys, with another onslaught of questions Jul 02 04:30:03 Hi all! Jul 02 04:47:04 hi JenP Jul 02 04:47:13 hi EmmettLollis Jul 02 04:47:17 how are you? Jul 02 04:47:26 good how are you? Jul 02 04:47:50 very good... i just need to finish my help system and go over the checklist.. then i'll be ready to submit Jul 02 04:48:24 oh that's great! Jul 02 04:48:45 which app? Jul 02 04:49:46 my diet app Jul 02 04:49:54 sweet! Jul 02 04:50:40 :D Jul 02 04:51:35 is there a standard to help topics after the initial page? Jul 02 04:51:43 seems like there are many versions Jul 02 04:51:48 not that i know of Jul 02 04:52:06 some people send you to their website Jul 02 04:52:12 some document within the app Jul 02 04:52:22 personally i hate being sent to the website Jul 02 04:52:36 i want to design it in the Ares gui but it wont let me go past 480 pixels Jul 02 04:52:54 really? that's weird Jul 02 04:53:14 i can set a different height but the interface wont scroll Jul 02 04:53:34 unless i'm missing something Jul 02 04:54:06 hmm...i haven't really played in Ares but if you want to pastebin your stuff i'll take a look Jul 02 04:55:04 well, the gui part can be viewed but its completely foreign to normal webos code Jul 02 04:55:24 eekk then i'm definetly not your girl Jul 02 04:55:36 i can just manually code the layout Jul 02 04:56:59 oh well that's cool Jul 02 04:57:56 i need to learn how anyway Jul 02 04:58:31 smiles...you can do it! Jul 02 04:59:01 * JenP whips out her cheerleading gear Jul 02 04:59:19 8) Jul 02 04:59:22 * rwhitby has a mental picture Jul 02 04:59:34 LOL hi rod! Jul 02 04:59:38 hey JenP Jul 02 04:59:44 Help systems... hmmm Jul 02 05:00:39 It's quite surprising that the USA doesn't have 1.4.5 yet. I gave Palm the go-ahead after I woke up this morning. Jul 02 05:01:00 It's all AT&T man Jul 02 05:01:17 LOL...totally Jul 02 05:01:19 so you reckon they're holding all US back cause of AT&T ? Jul 02 05:01:49 Yup Jul 02 05:01:58 Sprint is the easiest, they will whip it out in no time Jul 02 05:02:07 * JenP wonders about AT&T conspiracy theories Jul 02 05:02:11 Verizon is slow as hell, but AT&T is holding out this time Jul 02 05:02:17 i hope they include the iphone feature with the antenna blockage Jul 02 05:02:23 Time will tell how much they hold us up in the future Jul 02 05:02:29 Makes sense to hold back the whole USA. Easier for patriotic vehemence to be focused over the oceans instead of internally. Jul 02 05:02:49 yeah, give the Europeans something to gloat over us for once :) Jul 02 05:03:05 GIGGLES Jul 02 05:04:34 I mean that in a positive way, they have been shafted from almost day 1 Jul 02 05:04:49 And anyone else in the world who bought an unlocked German device to protest against the carriers controlling the whole US mobile ecosystem being allowed to do so by consumers accepting carrier subsidies. Jul 02 05:05:18 Exactly Jul 02 05:05:44 <-- finally sending out his welcome/thank you emails and it feels good! Jul 02 05:20:44 can a textField be non-edit? Jul 02 05:22:21 non-edit? like a label? Jul 02 05:22:31 you have a point Jul 02 05:22:45 oh...wasn't making a point...asking a question... Jul 02 05:22:51 you could probably lock one down Jul 02 05:22:58 the answer is yes like a label Jul 02 05:23:02 if you want to add an edit button or something Jul 02 05:23:16 nah, just static text.. i think a label will work Jul 02 05:23:19 is for the help docs Jul 02 05:23:35 oh heck i just put it in a regular div for display Jul 02 05:23:42 why make it complicated Jul 02 05:24:17 it's inside a group Jul 02 05:24:26 can it be done that way? Jul 02 05:24:42 hmmm let me look at how i do mine Jul 02 05:25:06 ok Jul 02 05:25:42 http://pastebin.com/asGWTxTw Jul 02 05:25:54 it's pretty simple but it may serve your needs Jul 02 05:26:29 wow, thats quite a help file Jul 02 05:27:07 lol yeah i guess so Jul 02 05:27:16 http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/11dfb3b6-08d7-42d1-a1ce-3693227e683e Jul 02 05:27:23 that's what it looks like Jul 02 05:27:54 not sure if that helps or not Jul 02 05:32:28 sweet Jul 02 05:33:02 i'm going to give my text in group idea a run, if i have too much trouble with it i'll do the one you suggested Jul 02 05:33:20 np Jul 02 05:33:36 i enjoy making things harder than they need to be Jul 02 05:33:38 :) Jul 02 05:33:55 LOL i do that whether i try or not Jul 02 05:34:55 label is out since it messes with caps Jul 02 05:37:41 it's JenP! Jul 02 05:37:53 Kesne!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 02 05:38:01 Isn't it past your bedtime? Jul 02 05:38:05 :P Jul 02 05:38:09 How goes it?> Jul 02 05:38:27 (fl) great! 4 day weekend Jul 02 05:38:37 fl? Jul 02 05:39:30 it's the little girl smiley face winking... Jul 02 05:40:04 I don't see it Jul 02 05:40:20 it's cause your so young...censorship...LOL Jul 02 05:40:26 :P Jul 02 05:40:34 smiles...how are you? Jul 02 05:40:48 It would be weird to say that tasty toons is my favorite app, right? Jul 02 05:41:01 LOL Jul 02 05:41:20 Is that a yes? Jul 02 05:41:26 yup one of those is me...about 5 years ago Jul 02 05:41:37 What do you mean Jul 02 05:41:51 one of the girls drawn is me Jul 02 05:41:52 I'm tired, so you have to explain everything Jul 02 05:41:57 oh really? Jul 02 05:42:00 LOL Jul 02 05:42:17 Did you ever think you'd be in a soft-core porn app? Jul 02 05:42:29 * oil is suddenly curious about this app Jul 02 05:42:32 LOL Jul 02 05:42:56 hehe Jul 02 05:43:14 The app reminds me of all of the toon porn out there Jul 02 05:43:16 tasty toons you say? Jul 02 05:43:19 * oil waits for screenshot Jul 02 05:43:24 not that i've seen it... Jul 02 05:43:25 LOL Jul 02 05:43:32 i'll never tell... Jul 02 05:43:38 I'm just guessing, ya know Jul 02 05:43:40 Heh Jul 02 05:43:40 uh huh...ofcourse Jul 02 05:44:07 * oil contacts author of app Jul 02 05:44:15 yeah.... Jul 02 05:44:16 so kesne you gonna try C++ and play with the pdk Jul 02 05:44:30 JenP: Have been for months, why? Jul 02 05:44:41 changing the topic...LOL Jul 02 05:44:45 lol Jul 02 05:45:09 oil: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.sinacism.tastytoons Jul 02 05:45:22 lol Jul 02 05:45:33 yup neither of those is me Jul 02 05:45:45 Darn Jul 02 05:46:05 hrm, how do you insert an ' into a text field? Jul 02 05:46:08 JenP: How old are you anyways? Jul 02 05:46:13 lol Jul 02 05:46:15 37 Jul 02 05:46:26 kesne is like 12 Jul 02 05:46:39 9 oil you're being generous Jul 02 05:46:39 EmmettLollis: I'm going to pretend like I know and give you fake code Jul 02 05:46:42 lol Jul 02 05:46:44 Hehe Jul 02 05:46:47 lol Jul 02 05:47:19 cool... i thought it would be '' but aparently not Jul 02 05:47:21 To insert a ' into a text field, you just use the code $('textfieldid').insertChar("'") Jul 02 05:47:51 or if you're doing it like blarg = 'asdf'asdf' Jul 02 05:47:51 I look about as old as Dieter Jul 02 05:47:56 you need to escape it with a \ Jul 02 05:48:00 er / Jul 02 05:48:02 one of em Jul 02 05:48:05 Or both Jul 02 05:48:09 I like to use both Jul 02 05:48:10 no, not both Jul 02 05:48:11 lol Jul 02 05:48:13 thanks oil Jul 02 05:48:21 or you could always use "" Jul 02 05:48:25 and ignore the ' problem Jul 02 05:48:26 'asdf/\/\/\/\/\'asdf' Jul 02 05:48:34 ^^ Like that Jul 02 05:48:36 as long as you dont want to put " inside the ""'s Jul 02 05:48:42 yeah but i have both ' and " in my text Jul 02 05:48:51 so escape one of them Jul 02 05:48:52 lol Jul 02 05:49:01 So JenP: Which one is you? Jul 02 05:49:05 haha Jul 02 05:49:14 i'm wearing red... Jul 02 05:49:15 * oil would download it if it was free Jul 02 05:49:27 Half of them are wearing red.... Jul 02 05:49:27 oh there's a tastytoons 2 coming out Jul 02 05:49:32 lol Jul 02 05:49:33 smiles.....I know Jul 02 05:49:39 I know too Jul 02 05:49:42 I own the app Jul 02 05:49:58 and there's a really cool one coming..."Tasty Weather Toons" Jul 02 05:50:05 whole new meaning to naked weather girl Jul 02 05:50:10 Hah Jul 02 05:50:12 hmm Jul 02 05:50:19 I just wish they were wearing less clothing Jul 02 05:50:33 * kesne will probably regret this conversation when he is applying for a job Jul 02 05:50:33 they were...Palm made him cover them up Jul 02 05:50:39 haha Jul 02 05:50:40 LOL Jul 02 05:50:44 lol Jul 02 05:50:48 Wait, were they really? Jul 02 05:50:58 YES Jul 02 05:51:13 So, you should send me the link the the originals. or just email them to me Jul 02 05:51:23 kesne is creepier then i originally thought Jul 02 05:51:28 Heh Jul 02 05:51:30 i have had to send pics in and ask if they are ok a few times now Jul 02 05:51:53 oil: it's late Jul 02 05:51:54 LOL Jul 02 05:51:59 oil: and I'm kidding Jul 02 05:52:06 yeah, you say that now Jul 02 05:52:15 Hey, aren't you supposed to be in the gulf? Jul 02 05:52:55 You all should add me on facebook Jul 02 05:53:11 That way I get the sweet satisfaction of clicking "ignore" Jul 02 05:53:21 hahahhahaha Jul 02 05:53:44 can't ignore me, i don't have facebook Jul 02 05:53:48 so hah Jul 02 05:54:45 D: Jul 02 05:55:35 JenP: say, do you have a facebook? Jul 02 05:55:55 yes...but I don't serve minors...21 and up club...LOL Jul 02 05:55:55 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/Titlescreen.png Jul 02 05:56:09 lol Jul 02 05:56:11 JenP: I have ID, I swear it isn't fake Jul 02 05:56:31 uh huh...yeah i'm not stupid enough to fall for that twice Jul 02 05:56:36 Hah Jul 02 05:57:51 Am I following you on twitter? Jul 02 05:58:09 idk i have an account but i do not use it Jul 02 05:58:13 lol Jul 02 05:58:16 Hah Jul 02 05:58:23 Figures Jul 02 05:58:33 you would just get adorable pics of my new cat Jul 02 05:58:34 I feel like such a creeper Jul 02 05:58:39 LOL Jul 02 05:58:43 I feel like a 46 year old male Jul 02 05:58:50 and you're a 16 yr old girl Jul 02 05:58:59 you hope i'm a girl! Jul 02 05:59:19 haha Jul 02 05:59:43 Hah Jul 02 05:59:50 See, I actually don't know Jul 02 06:00:00 smiles...i know Jul 02 06:00:10 and i truly love it Jul 02 06:00:49 Now make me a sandwich. Jul 02 06:00:59 ha! go mow my lawn Jul 02 06:01:02 I like your "website": http://sinacismgraphics.com/ Jul 02 06:01:10 JenP: But I'm not mexican Jul 02 06:01:27 Bad! Bad! Kesne! Jul 02 06:02:04 Bwahahahah Jul 02 06:02:11 I need to sleep Jul 02 06:02:14 It's been a long day Jul 02 06:02:15 And I get my new mac tomorrow Jul 02 06:02:26 goto bed Jul 02 06:03:12 NO Jul 02 06:03:13 MAKE ME Jul 02 06:03:22 Did somebody say new computer? Jul 02 06:03:26 ooo oooo ooo!! Jul 02 06:03:29 lol Jul 02 06:03:41 * dkirker hugs his MacBook Pro Jul 02 06:03:58 I get my MacBook Pro tomorrow Jul 02 06:04:03 yay \o/ Jul 02 06:04:15 JenP: How about you come to bed with me, then I'll go to bed Jul 02 06:04:18 Jul 02 06:04:33 dkirker: How old is yours? Jul 02 06:04:41 total stalker boy Jul 02 06:04:54 PRINCE ZUKO! Jul 02 06:04:56 I have two. One from Spring 2006 and one from Fall 2009 Jul 02 06:05:09 dkirker: Cool! Jul 02 06:05:40 TY LEE! Jul 02 06:05:51 alright, back in a bit. Need to entertain the guests. Jul 02 06:06:16 JenP: I think I'm going to bed Jul 02 06:06:26 For realzsy Jul 02 06:06:27 * JenP tucks you in Jul 02 06:06:35 * kesne slaps JenP. Jul 02 06:06:39 THAT'S WHAT YOU GET! Jul 02 06:06:50 Actually, you could probably beat me up. Jul 02 06:06:51 LOL good nite kesne Jul 02 06:06:52 True story Jul 02 06:07:17 Turns out upper-middle class scrawny white kids can't fight Jul 02 06:07:20 Who knew!? Jul 02 06:07:36 LOL Jul 02 06:07:54 The bruises on my face say I didn't. Jul 02 06:08:10 ohhhhhh Jul 02 06:08:54 EmmettLollis how's the help scene coming along? Jul 02 06:09:07 eh, i almost had it the way i wanted it Jul 02 06:09:24 "had"? Jul 02 06:09:48 but when i disable the text field to keep from having a cursor in it, i lose the text color Jul 02 06:10:26 ? can't you use a css class to give you the color you want? Jul 02 06:12:06 imagine i could Jul 02 06:14:09 well guys i'm out for the nite...talk to you tomorrow Jul 02 06:14:17 what i'm going for is something like the help screen in topple ball Jul 02 06:14:21 later JenP Jul 02 06:14:29 nite Jul 02 06:25:02 morning Jul 02 06:27:37 morning Jul 02 06:42:42 morning swisstomcat Jul 02 07:01:50 morning hotdp, emmettlollis Jul 02 07:02:03 how goes it swisstomcat? Jul 02 07:02:10 good Jul 02 08:31:56 anyone alive? Jul 02 08:32:34 I have a quick problem that I need help with... Jul 02 08:38:41 sure Jul 02 08:38:43 go ahead Jul 02 08:39:45 I have a listener for the keydown event Jul 02 08:40:40 ok Jul 02 08:40:50 it fires, and works well.. I'm capturing the back-swipe gesture. when I hit esc in the emulator (to make the gesture fire) everything works great, but the showAlertDialog method pops up the dialog and then immediately pops it down Jul 02 08:41:18 and on the device? Jul 02 08:41:30 I think that the event.stop(); method that I'm using might not be working, so it pushes the dialog, propagates the event and close the dialog... Jul 02 08:41:41 hmmm, I haven't tried it on device, hold one moment pls while I try Jul 02 08:43:28 hmmm, doesn't appear to fire the correct event for the gesture... let me connect putty to it and do some debugging, and I'll be back in a few minutes. Thanks for the suggestion Jul 02 08:52:39 i'll be around Jul 02 10:04:05 I figured it out, swisstomcat :) Jul 02 10:04:14 great Jul 02 10:05:55 It was too much work to get putty working on my phone, so I kept playing with it in the emulator. I was trying to capture keydown/up/press events and then trying to event.stopPropagation and event.prevenDefault() them... I ended up adding a handleCommand prototype to my scene and it was able to stop the event... not sure why it didn't work in the event's callback... weird Jul 02 13:16:44 hi there :) Jul 02 13:24:13 *Hi Jul 02 13:25:31 hi warpdesign Jul 02 13:31:13 okay, so i'm almost positive i'm getting a 0-star review from a competitor's app... because they keep updating it to be at the top Jul 02 13:31:17 and it says the same thing Jul 02 13:32:18 btw, morning all :) hhe Jul 02 13:35:03 HattCzech_work i have tryed the same Jul 02 13:35:15 Its lame Jul 02 13:35:21 what app is it? Jul 02 13:36:28 the content this time around is slightly different... but says the same "no quick texts or help. website and e-mail only means of support. no help at all. crap app, updated twice still no change except bigger and more advertisements" Jul 02 13:36:33 txt group Jul 02 13:37:00 the review currently on top Jul 02 13:39:57 HattCzech_work: have you discussed witj chuq? Jul 02 13:40:15 not yet, i plan to bring it up if i see him on today Jul 02 13:40:21 i wasn't SURE about it until now Jul 02 13:40:29 i just thought i saw it move up a couple of times Jul 02 13:40:38 now i know it has Jul 02 13:44:24 hey, I have a question: can the pre/pixi be handled with the left hand ? :) Jul 02 13:44:32 does palm allow that ? Jul 02 13:45:32 hehe Jul 02 13:46:07 If I step on the LEFT side of my gas pedal I run out of gas. Ford says its a software issue: gas gauge shows more gas than there really is. Jul 02 13:46:09 warpdesign_: i've had no problems ;) Jul 02 13:46:18 If I step on the LEFT side of my gas pedal I run out of gas. Ford says its a software issue: gas gauge shows more gas than there really is. Jul 02 13:46:34 Until today their solution was "step on only the RIGHT side of the gas pedal", but now they say a softeare fix is coming in a few weeks. Jul 02 13:46:40 The "fix" will make the gauge reflect the actual amount of fuel remaining. So does that mean I can step on the pedal any way I want then? Jul 02 13:46:52 Sse, if it was cars and not a smartphone you'd be laughing your ass off about how stupid this explanation really is, fanboy or not. Jul 02 13:47:04 (from @fzammetti) Jul 02 13:47:17 nice :) Jul 02 13:48:39 well, if it was a smartphone by microsoft, people would laugh tpp... Jul 02 13:48:41 too* Jul 02 13:51:17 HattCzech_work, good to know :) Jul 02 13:51:38 what competitor, hattczech? Jul 02 13:53:51 heh, someone should write an app which sends bad reviews Jul 02 13:54:38 I wonder if anyone has full desktop access to the app catalog web services yet Jul 02 13:55:36 "full desktop access" ? Jul 02 13:56:03 yeah, being able to perform the same transactions on the app catalog from a desktop machine as you can using the app catalog client on a webOS device. Jul 02 13:56:12 should be pretty easy to do Jul 02 13:56:17 would be interesting to try Jul 02 13:56:47 then you could write a cron job to update your bad reviews every day Jul 02 13:56:59 (and your good ones for your own apps of course) Jul 02 13:57:42 and to download the Appible LLC open source book apps, repackage them, and upload them back into the app catalog for free. Jul 02 14:01:04 ah, right Jul 02 14:11:23 How the hell is everybody? Jul 02 14:11:53 * haeffb_pre predicts the beginning of "cron wars" Jul 02 14:12:09 fantastic Jul 02 14:17:03 weee Jul 02 14:19:47 swisstomcat: i'm not sure which one, probably the one who created multi-message lite, since i took his spot in the top 221 Jul 02 14:20:12 Palm finally confirmed we're working on a slate. Mockup may not be drawn to scale: http://bit.ly/cdeViO Jul 02 14:20:23 (via @adora) Jul 02 14:21:42 the j@ckpot ideas person is my guess Jul 02 14:22:12 swisstomcat: NOT FUNNY! Jul 02 14:23:25 :) Jul 02 14:27:21 he he Jul 02 14:27:22 nice :) Jul 02 14:27:37 I'll take the person handling the slate ;) Jul 02 14:30:26 *rimshot* Jul 02 14:31:52 brb, firefox restart Jul 02 14:36:44 yay! payday! Jul 02 14:36:59 I smell a new Palm Pixi+ for dkirker in the near future :) Jul 02 14:37:35 yay Jul 02 14:37:41 you mean palm app payday? Jul 02 14:38:51 nope Jul 02 14:38:59 * dkirker doesn't have any apps in teh store yet :( Jul 02 14:41:04 I wonder if I can walk into an AT&T store and get a Pixi for $300 without a contract. Their website says that a non-gophone account must be had. Jul 02 14:48:20 dkirker: $339.99 from HP Jul 02 14:49:53 plus $4.99 S&H Jul 02 14:51:43 no S&H from wirefly.com Jul 02 14:52:18 $299 from Amazon Jul 02 14:52:42 free shipping too Jul 02 14:52:47 no taxes in most states Jul 02 14:58:51 what else can we spend dkirker's money on? Jul 02 15:05:59 Hello allllllllllllll <3 Jul 02 15:07:15 pretty sweet all flu apps are on sale... well most of them :P Jul 02 15:07:22 glu* Jul 02 15:11:55 haeffb_pre: hehe Jul 02 15:13:18 $339 at RadioShack Jul 02 15:13:27 well well, I'll just have to do down at lunch Jul 02 15:15:46 * haeffb_pre busy downloading glu games... Jul 02 15:17:03 lol. I'm thinking the same thing. once I get i'm gonna go nuts on glu too Jul 02 15:17:25 once I get off EVDO* Jul 02 15:18:22 every time I see that I think EVOO Jul 02 15:18:24 makes me wish I didn't forget how to program in C++ :/ Jul 02 15:20:33 what's wrong w/ evdo? Jul 02 15:21:28 hey someone wanna do me a favor Jul 02 15:21:36 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/developer-phones.html Jul 02 15:21:45 every time you see what? Jul 02 15:22:02 call them and ask them why its cheaper to buy the phones from amazon or the carrier directly and its cheaper then their "discounted" price Jul 02 15:22:51 EVDO just looks so much like EVOO... I guess no one in here watches Rachel Ray Jul 02 15:23:21 deliciousmorsel: good question Jul 02 15:24:17 gah! TMC! Jul 02 15:25:02 To order, just call 866.751.7256 Jul 02 15:28:53 hello friends! Jul 02 15:56:12 hey chuqui ... i think i have a disgruntled competitor making negative reviews on my app... should i send you an e-mail about it? Jul 02 15:58:17 so many cards Jul 02 15:58:22 not enough cards! Jul 02 15:59:19 yes, please send email. Jul 02 15:59:39 hi chuqui Jul 02 16:01:20 hey... happy friday Jul 02 16:02:14 hi dpivs & chuqui Jul 02 16:02:31 hi haeefb_pre, what's going on Jul 02 16:02:54 counting down to holiday. 4.5 hours... Jul 02 16:03:13 updating some end of FY stuff Jul 02 16:07:17 haeffb_pre: counting down until your boss gives you extra work, that has to be finsished until tomorrow 4hours Jul 02 16:07:59 my boss leaves in 23 mins... Jul 02 16:08:23 well he is going to find something anyway Jul 02 16:26:27 anyone know if payments have been made this month? Jul 02 16:27:15 june payments? Jul 02 16:29:06 didn't see any yet .. neither the reports Jul 02 16:33:28 sorry may payment... Jul 02 16:35:59 yes, may Jul 02 16:36:31 haeffb_pre: how many days ago? Jul 02 16:36:39 have not received it... Jul 02 16:43:39 ok have to have a minium of $100 Jul 02 16:44:35 LoneStar99: a minimum of $100? oh man do i have a ways to go. Jul 02 16:44:48 bye Jul 02 16:45:29 dpivs: you will get there! Jul 02 16:45:45 LoneStar99: haha, thanks. Jul 02 16:46:41 ok, need to go clean all the leaves from "Alex" chat later Jul 02 16:47:57 hey, anyone have an onlive account? Jul 02 16:48:30 what is that? Jul 02 16:48:46 streaming game service Jul 02 16:48:53 oh, nope Jul 02 16:57:21 halfhalo: Is onLive still in invite-only mode? Jul 02 16:59:33 erg, almost time to drive to Houston Jul 02 16:59:37 Houston sucks Jul 02 17:00:17 sugardave: good luck in h-town Jul 02 17:00:44 LoneStar99: made it through Alex, I see? how was it? Jul 02 17:04:43 hmm...the 'Updates' app takes WAY longer than 3 seconds to start :P Jul 02 17:07:04 wow, i think the only thing i have left to do with my app is an icon Jul 02 17:07:24 YAY! Jul 02 17:07:24 onlive is sorta in invite only Jul 02 17:07:45 They still stick you in a queue, but everyone is getting an invite Jul 02 17:08:01 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/07/more-time-for-half-time.html Jul 02 17:09:44 what is onlive? Jul 02 17:09:53 streaming game service Jul 02 17:09:58 oh Jul 02 17:10:03 games render in the cloud and sent down to your pc Jul 02 17:10:41 I'm just not sure how responsive that's going to be... Jul 02 17:10:48 Im using it now Jul 02 17:10:52 Its not laggy at all Jul 02 17:11:03 how many people do you think are using it? Jul 02 17:11:25 Totally random guess? quarter of a million Jul 02 17:11:53 interesting....maybe a miracle will occur :D Jul 02 17:11:59 try it Jul 02 17:12:04 it works well Jul 02 17:12:16 I have no gaming rig PC, I'm console only now in my old age Jul 02 17:12:16 Better than I thought it would, IE no visible lag Jul 02 17:12:40 If it can run aero it can run onlive Jul 02 17:12:56 wtf is aero? Jul 02 17:13:11 window vista/7 prettyness desktop engine Jul 02 17:13:22 and all intel macs can basically play it Jul 02 17:13:31 oh....not sure, I've got ubuntu 10.04 Jul 02 17:13:36 will probably run it Jul 02 17:13:58 yeah, if it can run compiz it can... but no linux client yet. Jul 02 17:15:33 interesting, never ran compiz before...it just totally changed all my terminal settings, though Jul 02 17:15:41 hah Jul 02 17:15:50 but its purdy now! Jul 02 17:15:51 !!! Jul 02 17:16:41 it looks the same :P Jul 02 17:17:12 I have to reboot after this last kernel update anyway Jul 02 17:17:28 it always jacks with my nvidia x server, I always forget to run the config, etc. Jul 02 17:17:30 i need a catagory for my apps fb fan page... i'm thinking religious organization Jul 02 17:17:31 spend 10 minutes Jul 02 17:17:48 EmmettLollis: for your carb counter? Jul 02 17:17:53 yes Jul 02 17:18:42 i started going over the checklist last night.. had to add in a kabillion transitions Jul 02 17:19:07 I like to use the default transitions :D Jul 02 17:19:23 oh crap, forgot to change the icons on tap Jul 02 17:20:10 time to drive Jul 02 17:27:47 word up guys and gals Jul 02 17:29:36 my pre's CPU just hit 55 degrees while downloading super k.o 2 on wifi @ 500mhz... should I be worried? lol Jul 02 17:36:34 my CPU just hit 55 celcius while downloading super k.o 2 on wifi, should I be worried? lol Jul 02 17:39:48 hey haeff you there? Jul 02 17:40:40 is there an example of changing an icon to indicate its been tapped before loading a new scene? Jul 02 17:41:44 I think everyone is afk. Jul 02 17:42:15 Yup. I has a coloring book, which wins over almost everything else Jul 02 17:45:37 EmmettLollis: something like using a .selected class... Jul 02 17:46:02 * haeffb_pre impatiently waiting for new phone announcement... Jul 02 17:46:13 ahh, so just css it? Jul 02 17:46:27 same Jul 02 17:46:31 yeah, same as lists Jul 02 17:46:33 new phone needs to be here nao Jul 02 17:46:35 i keep forgetting the "web" part of webos Jul 02 17:46:37 new phone announcement would be awesome. Jul 02 17:46:41 stupid fail whale :( Jul 02 17:48:05 have you heard about the slate announcement? Jul 02 17:49:35 slate announcement? Jul 02 17:50:07 @adora: Palm finally confirmed we're working on a slate. Mockup may not be drawn to scale: http://bit.ly/cdeViO Jul 02 17:50:12 i read that microsoft is cancelling the "kin" after 2 months Jul 02 17:50:26 yeah Jul 02 17:50:27 swisstomcat: the big webOS blanket? haha. Jul 02 17:50:36 found it pretty funny too Jul 02 17:50:57 that gigantic webOS slate will satisfy the 'bigger is better' crowd. Jul 02 17:50:58 lonestar99: wonder how much money they sinked into that hole (danger,pink,kin,etc.) Jul 02 17:51:10 dpivs: it has a folding screen! Jul 02 17:51:36 swisstomcat: oh, that's a good one. folding, rollable, you can drop it repeatedly. Jul 02 17:51:41 swisstomcat: yeah carazy Jul 02 17:52:06 and t-mobile is also gonna dicontinue the "danger" Jul 02 17:52:11 18months lost for porting the danget os to winCE Jul 02 17:52:14 danger Jul 02 17:52:33 swisstomcat: you where porting it? Jul 02 17:52:41 heh Jul 02 17:53:06 engadget had a good piece about the failure of the kin Jul 02 17:53:12 and where it came from Jul 02 17:53:33 do you have the link? Jul 02 17:55:00 let me check Jul 02 17:55:22 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/what-killed-the-kin/ Jul 02 17:55:58 i hate how that thing looks like a pre. i'm glad it's dead! j/k, about the being dead part. Jul 02 17:56:17 Verizon is to blame for it methinks Jul 02 17:56:19 MS. doesn't care about money...they give the stuff away Jul 02 17:56:27 make it a 10/mo data plan, then it would have sold Jul 02 17:56:33 haeffb_pre, yep Jul 02 17:56:47 it was too late to the market Jul 02 17:56:53 the hardware support years back, if it was broke, they didnt ask for it back and just sent out a new one Jul 02 17:56:59 ie mice, keyboards, controllers ..etc Jul 02 17:57:11 3 minutes till wc stream starts up Jul 02 17:57:59 i calculated it the other day MS has made about $18 billion from 150 million sales of windows 7 Jul 02 17:58:49 with a pocket like that do not think the Kin or Danger failures will hurt abit Jul 02 17:59:08 and MS doesn't do short term Jul 02 17:59:17 they do long term Jul 02 18:00:47 it hurts them in terms of lost time, not lost money Jul 02 18:01:06 * halfhalo_class wants natal/kinect for pc's already Jul 02 18:02:44 is funkatron here? Jul 02 18:03:14 EmmettLollis: there is an example on webos101 code snippets Jul 02 18:03:42 thanks haeffb Jul 02 18:03:51 swisstomcat: that assumes they didn have other people to work on other things... Jul 02 18:05:17 good point Jul 02 18:07:50 ok, onlive does not like my mbp Jul 02 18:10:27 throw it in the trash and buy an hp Jul 02 18:10:38 Psh, I have a lenovo Jul 02 18:10:46 Just wanted to see how it worked Jul 02 18:11:09 Thre is no lag on my T400, but theres a second lag on the mbp Jul 02 18:11:37 I think its more the fact that my mbp is epicly screwed up rather than onlive is Jul 02 18:12:06 Since I'm sitting on a big fat pipe, and a computer next to it works fine Jul 02 18:12:15 mmmmm. gotta love 100Mb internets Jul 02 18:24:03 oh dang, dev forums looks reorganized. Jul 02 18:25:30 hp always messin wirh stuff! Jul 02 18:31:20 holy crap Jul 02 18:31:34 Emergency Lights has 171 downloads Jul 02 18:31:46 at 70% of $0.99 that's $119 Jul 02 18:32:00 i thought "meh, maybe i'll make a couple bucks" Jul 02 18:32:02 your app? Jul 02 18:32:04 ya Jul 02 18:32:06 cool Jul 02 18:32:10 ya, i'm excited Jul 02 18:32:32 hey that is exciting Jul 02 18:33:31 yay maik! Jul 02 18:33:49 cool maik! Jul 02 18:34:03 Nice Jul 02 18:36:21 Hey you guys know what language .controller comes from. The concept is new to me and I wanna study it further Jul 02 18:36:35 What's up folks? Jul 02 18:37:09 anyone submitted a new app, without the $50 fee? Jul 02 18:37:12 holiday Jul 02 18:37:14 not yet Jul 02 18:37:23 roy-pre101: good work on the webosroundup app Jul 02 18:37:33 anivrom: Not sure what you're talking about. Jul 02 18:37:37 swisstomcat: Thanks! Jul 02 18:38:05 I'm pretty pleased with it, too. Jul 02 18:38:21 anivrom: it probably comes from MVC programming ... model/view/controller Jul 02 18:38:38 I want to rearrange the button layout to be 2x2 until we add some more buttons... Not sure how to get it to layout properly so it works nicely in landscape. Jul 02 18:38:38 This.controller.'command' Jul 02 18:38:56 That concept is really common to almost all object oriented languages. Jul 02 18:39:02 But it's javascript so I would study that. Jul 02 18:39:22 i don't think mvc has anything to do with oo Jul 02 18:39:35 it's more how you structure an app Jul 02 18:39:43 in any language (e.g ruby) Jul 02 18:39:47 Um I don't think its common in pop because its not in C or VB evn Jul 02 18:40:02 Oop* not pop Jul 02 18:40:21 C is not OO. Jul 02 18:40:22 cool app Roy-Pre101, i like the horizontal scrolling. Jul 02 18:40:36 C++ I meant to say Jul 02 18:40:38 Neither is VB. But C does have object chaining like that. Jul 02 18:41:02 VB is oo lol Jul 02 18:41:13 ... Jul 02 18:41:29 Visual basic is very object oriented Jul 02 18:41:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller Jul 02 18:41:43 it's a design pattern Jul 02 18:42:20 can i run SDK 1.4.5 on VirtualBox 3.0.10? Jul 02 18:42:33 or does it have to be the new 3.6 etc... Jul 02 18:42:53 VB is not generally considered an OO language. It has some OO support. Jul 02 18:43:23 Unless you mean VB.NET Jul 02 18:43:43 Even vb Jul 02 18:43:44 ripkin.com Jul 02 18:43:58 er Jul 02 18:43:59 http://kinrip.com/ Jul 02 18:44:02 my bad Jul 02 18:44:55 lmao --> "Kin, you're the Betamax of phones but the iPhone of my heart." Jul 02 18:45:33 I've actually been programming in vb for about 5 years and have no html css js knowledge so programming on webos is proving to be a challenge Jul 02 18:45:37 In any case.... swisstomcat is correct... the controller is part of the MVC pradigm. The controller is merely a collection of related objects and methods. Jul 02 18:46:05 damn 500 alleged customers, that is so bad Jul 02 18:47:26 This is the docs for SceneController, which every scene gets: Jul 02 18:47:26 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1874&Itemid=244 Jul 02 18:47:32 anivrom: just worry about the javascript. You can hack the HTML and CSS Jul 02 18:49:07 Well I've already run into problems doing things I want to do because of a lack of Css knowhow Jul 02 18:49:58 I'm current 'enrolled' in w3schools css Jul 02 18:50:42 :P good thing I love to soak up knowledge or I'd prolly have quit be now Jul 02 18:54:43 I'm so used to MSDN and intellisense giving you uage/samples/syntax on a silver platter. Completely different with webos Jul 02 18:54:59 Usage* Jul 02 18:55:06 which editor are you using? Jul 02 18:55:32 komodo edit is pretty nice (with syntax checks/highlighting) Jul 02 18:55:53 Ares. I need the visual design time atm cause I don't know css and html well enoug to go blind Jul 02 18:56:06 ah, i see Jul 02 18:56:57 at least you'll find many tutorials for html/css Jul 02 18:57:17 And most of you guys are pros that write paid apps in your sleep in notepad so I'm not finding help too easily on cerain topics :P Jul 02 18:57:18 it's not really webos specific Jul 02 18:57:30 we all started somewhere Jul 02 18:58:07 it's all web technologies, which makes it reusable Jul 02 18:58:29 not only in webos Jul 02 18:58:30 Yea. Atleast I understand the concepts from my native experience. Jul 02 18:59:11 Yea I have built some websites but again dreamweaver and heavy googling ftw on that one Jul 02 19:00:40 Oh yea and I know flash/as3 so that helps with some specific concepts not present in vb Jul 02 19:00:48 anivrom: Check out some stuff on webos101.com and add your own experiences starting from a VB background. Jul 02 19:00:58 It will help others coming behind you. Jul 02 19:01:33 if you know as3 then you'll be right home with html5-canvas for graphics Jul 02 19:01:40 Thanks for the tip Jul 02 19:01:44 it's almost the same syntax-wise Jul 02 19:02:28 Yea I'm building a game and I'm using canvas Jul 02 19:03:21 Canvas is the easy part... Interfacing with css/html/prototype is the hard part Jul 02 19:04:28 Problem I get stuck on is talking between scenes Jul 02 19:04:55 And all the binding necessary to avoid dynamic caching Jul 02 19:05:37 Took me 45 min yesterday to figure out how to update text on a button and label... On the same scene. Jul 02 19:06:27 webos101 could really use some Ares info Jul 02 19:07:04 Swisstomcat: thanks for the mvc link, ill definitely ceck it out when I get home Jul 02 19:08:11 haeffb_pre: I've started an Ares section. It needs a lot more help though. Jul 02 19:08:14 understanding scopes in javascript is hard at first Jul 02 19:08:49 Apparently Jul 02 19:08:55 There's a decent article on webos101.com about binding. Jul 02 19:10:08 Hey look! my new mac! Jul 02 19:10:53 * anivrom frowns down upon kesne for purchasing a mac. Jul 02 19:11:01 which mac Jul 02 19:11:05 it makes a difference Jul 02 19:11:22 halfhalo_class: was it you that said your wife had a pixi? Jul 02 19:11:26 might have been haeffb Jul 02 19:11:28 forget... Jul 02 19:11:38 Macbook Pro Jul 02 19:11:40 * halfhalo_class is in college and does not have a wife Jul 02 19:12:15 anivrom: I need to program to the iPhone somehow? Jul 02 19:12:17 halfhalo_class: there's nothing wrong with macs Jul 02 19:12:28 halfhalo_class: heh Jul 02 19:12:36 I never said there was, but some are just horrible overpriced Jul 02 19:12:45 You can't program in windows? Jul 02 19:12:47 Hell, I have a mini at home and an older mbp here Jul 02 19:13:25 haeffb_pre: hey, around? Jul 02 19:14:05 sweeeeet Jul 02 19:14:08 new valve web api Jul 02 19:14:14 ya Jul 02 19:14:34 haeffb_pre: you said your wife had a pixi right? Jul 02 19:14:51 halfhalo_class: Do you get excited at the possiblity of a webOS app anytime you hear of a new API? :) Jul 02 19:14:59 I know, I do... Jul 02 19:15:01 ya Jul 02 19:15:04 oh Jul 02 19:15:04 i..totally misread Jul 02 19:15:04 anivrom: there's nothing wrong with macs Jul 02 19:15:04 :) Jul 02 19:15:09 I already HAVE a steam community webos app Jul 02 19:15:21 in the catalog? Jul 02 19:15:25 nah Jul 02 19:15:31 Not yet, at least Jul 02 19:15:42 haeffb_pre: is it a pixi or a pixi plus? Jul 02 19:15:44 Gotta clean it up first Jul 02 19:15:58 pixi sprint Jul 02 19:16:01 But its in the web catalog methinks.... cant remember Jul 02 19:16:10 haeffb_pre: ok thanks Jul 02 19:17:08 * dohtem is debating whether to take the dev phone on vacation this weekend. The Javascript book is already coming Jul 02 19:19:18 ooooo Jul 02 19:19:23 openid steam... Jul 02 19:19:59 http://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/ Jul 02 19:20:23 Looking at DNA throug the yes of a cider. Super interesting Jul 02 19:20:37 Wow bloody autocorrect Jul 02 19:20:49 Through the eyes of a coder Jul 02 19:27:59 hi Jul 02 19:28:10 hi metaview Jul 02 19:29:27 will steam let you change your account e-mail address yet? Jul 02 19:34:31 Any if you guys live near toronto? Jul 02 19:35:11 Of* Jul 02 19:35:33 across the lake Jul 02 19:35:54 * swisstomcat = europe Jul 02 19:36:04 :P Jul 02 19:36:23 Across the lake where? Jul 02 19:36:29 Rochester, NY Jul 02 19:37:07 Ah I've been to watkins glen/geneva area Jul 02 19:37:21 yeah, somewhat close to here Jul 02 19:37:41 About an hour Jul 02 19:37:49 I've got a question about an app. I work at a resteraunt/theater and they give us these shitty windows mobile handhelds to take orders on Jul 02 19:38:15 the handhelds use the windows mobile remote desktop client. is there anyway for me to do that on webOS? Jul 02 19:39:03 wowo Jul 02 19:39:10 they use rdp for order management? Jul 02 19:39:58 That's pretty high tech...$ Jul 02 19:42:26 that's high tech backwards Jul 02 19:43:06 there are some remote clients, garage .. but i don't think RDP Jul 02 19:43:07 ok, there we go Jul 02 19:43:13 stupid ethernet Jul 02 19:43:29 sorry, i was using a java client and it freezed up on me Jul 02 19:43:33 but yea, its neat Jul 02 19:43:47 im not certain of the technical aspects of how it works but I launch remote desktop Jul 02 19:44:03 the ip adress is prepopulated, type in a username and pw and everything works Jul 02 19:44:27 execpt these handhelds are AWFUL. terrible battery life and they freeze up all the time. Jul 02 19:44:35 theres a way, but its hacky Jul 02 19:44:36 any ideas on an app that could emulate this? Jul 02 19:45:17 yea? Jul 02 19:45:18 Wait... I wonder... rdesktop in xserver... Jul 02 19:45:36 metaview: html5factory.ch Jul 02 19:46:00 im sorry, what? Jul 02 19:46:25 i would imagine an app on a handheld would work as client/server, not as a remote desktop to a server .. how wierd is that Jul 02 19:46:33 I'm thinking there would be a way to do it via homebrew stuff, but I don't have my pre to test it Jul 02 19:47:21 how would you go about doing it? Jul 02 19:48:06 Using X-server from preware and launching the native rdesktop app, but beyond that can't tell you until I try it myself Jul 02 19:48:07 make a new app that runs on the pre and talks to the server (like an ordinary web-client to a web-server) :) Jul 02 19:48:32 Using.... WEBSOCKETS! Jul 02 19:48:35 haha, thats a bit over my head Jul 02 19:48:45 do you think I could do this on iOS? Jul 02 19:48:53 ive got an ipod touch laying around Jul 02 19:48:57 Yeah Jul 02 19:49:07 They have many rdp clients on it Jul 02 19:49:16 * halfhalo_class was looking at them yesterday Jul 02 19:49:18 most of the apps ive seen require you to install a reciever on the computer Jul 02 19:49:36 RDP apps shouldn't Jul 02 19:49:39 rdp client would be possible with the pdk Jul 02 19:49:57 but.... no one has made one Jul 02 19:50:01 could you suggest an rdp app? Jul 02 19:50:12 there is none yet Jul 02 19:50:19 an RSP app for iOS Jul 02 19:50:26 For iOS he means I think Jul 02 19:50:26 RDP* Jul 02 19:50:28 no cvlue about ios Jul 02 19:50:45 I think he was asking halfhalo Jul 02 19:50:48 I can't, because I just went with LogMeIn Ignition so I could tie all my families remote desktop stuff together Jul 02 19:51:43 no worries, i googled. Jul 02 19:52:13 why isn't there any place where all event-fields are described? Jul 02 19:53:59 night everyone Jul 02 19:54:20 Nighty Jul 02 19:54:58 so any news on the c40? the rumor thread mentioned somethign about a release today Jul 02 19:55:06 Metaview: cause palms documentation ducks? Jul 02 19:55:13 sucks? Jul 02 19:56:02 I'm uninstalling autocorrect. Flippin annoying Jul 02 20:02:41 Any idea why it won't let me uninstall 3000 autoreplace words patch? Doesn't say much in ipk log Jul 02 20:06:56 MetaView: because you haven't written it yet.. Jul 02 20:07:00 webos-internals is probably the better place to ask Jul 02 20:26:09 urg, app reviewers didn't help me out :/ Jul 02 20:29:12 is dawm here? Jul 02 20:29:24 HattCzech_work: what number did you end up being? Jul 02 20:30:29 217 after the final update :) Jul 02 20:30:39 (assuming the audit confirms that) Jul 02 20:42:40 * sugardave_pre tries to figure out wirc. Jul 02 20:45:11 ha Jul 02 20:45:14 have fun with that Jul 02 20:47:46 I just meant using it :O Jul 02 20:48:07 I thought the user list was a new card Jul 02 20:48:14 it isn't Jul 02 20:48:57 so who got layed off Jul 02 20:52:23 haeffb_pre: if I would know it, I wouldn't ask :) #event Jul 02 20:52:29 i got the first 4 words you said Jul 02 20:53:40 sugardave_pre: welcome to the club Jul 02 20:55:27 deliciousmorsel1: Not me! Jul 02 20:55:42 lol woo Jul 02 20:55:46 but you dont work at palm Jul 02 20:56:42 I don't either and I didn't get laid off...coincidence? Jul 02 20:57:31 * dkirker knows a couple of Palm friends that are no longer there Jul 02 20:57:38 but I suspect that they did not get laid off Jul 02 20:58:20 lemketron: still around? Jul 02 20:58:35 in what sense? Jul 02 20:58:43 unlaid Jul 02 20:58:46 off Jul 02 20:58:50 :) Jul 02 20:59:13 still here. :-) Jul 02 20:59:39 * dkirker now has a Pixi Plus :D Jul 02 20:59:47 * dkirker is an addict Jul 02 20:59:47 I believe everyone else in the tools group and/or devsupp are as well. Jul 02 21:00:04 did you see my msg about VB 3.1.6 vs 3.2.6 last night? Jul 02 21:00:22 sweet Jul 02 21:00:40 no, I had to scroll down to see what you wanted. ;-) Jul 02 21:01:06 wait, message where? Jul 02 21:01:38 here Jul 02 21:02:05 the SDK install page srill links to 3.1.6 Jul 02 21:02:11 still Jul 02 21:02:17 it didnt for me Jul 02 21:02:22 it took me to 3.2.6 Jul 02 21:02:24 though it says 3.2.6 Jul 02 21:02:46 weird. Jul 02 21:02:58 windows? Jul 02 21:03:07 yep Windows 7 Business 64bit Jul 02 21:03:57 I used the upgrade link inside the VB dialog instead Jul 02 21:05:35 lemketron: They'd better NOT touch the WebKit team and Greg. :) Jul 02 21:07:54 * haeffb_pre confirms it's 3.2.6 now... Jul 02 21:08:25 so what's the problem with VBox? Jul 02 21:10:08 Should be 3.2.6 everywhere. Jul 02 21:16:20 last night the download button took me to 3.1.6 but today is ok$ Jul 02 21:19:06 cool. I love bug reports that resolve as "not a bug". ;-) Jul 02 21:19:25 "Works fine on my machine." ;-) Jul 02 21:19:30 lemketron: what do you work on again? Jul 02 21:21:24 Palm Emulator (and other internal and external tools) Jul 02 21:21:29 (i only ask because you mentioned bugs, and i have a few) Jul 02 21:21:36 The emulator has no bugs. Jul 02 21:21:43 hehehe, that's good to hear ;) Jul 02 21:22:28 could you have someone look at this? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7675 Jul 02 21:22:29 Actually, I might be "stunned" to discover that I'm calculating the bug count incorrectly... Jul 02 21:22:36 lol Jul 02 21:26:58 HattCzech: not sure about that one, but I'll see if I can get someone to look at it for you. Jul 02 21:31:22 is there any actual info about the time webos gives a function before terminating it? Jul 02 21:31:48 MetaView: do you use TXT Group (Gruppen-SMS)? Jul 02 21:31:56 no Jul 02 21:32:18 okay, then logistics question... Gruppen-SMS or Gruppen SMS ? (hyphen or no?) Jul 02 21:32:20 If I need to send an SMS I try to use the WebSMS app Jul 02 21:32:40 with - Jul 02 21:33:01 but it's not strict Jul 02 21:33:14 that's the way it is, i just wanted to make sure :) Jul 02 21:33:17 I don't know if there is a rule for this Jul 02 21:33:30 both variants look ok for me Jul 02 21:33:47 but I would prefer with - to make it more clear they are connected Jul 02 21:34:01 fair enough Jul 02 21:36:18 does plam novacom come with the new SDK? Jul 02 21:37:18 Anyone know the changelog for new IS update? Jul 02 21:37:28 OS* Jul 02 21:38:15 yeah I wanna see that Jul 02 21:39:03 I'd jizz in my pants if flash was there but I know that's not gonna hapen Jul 02 21:39:25 anivrom: after months of installin the SDK, having troulbe getting 1.4.5 running correctly Jul 02 21:39:39 1.4.5 changelog - HP logo shows on boot! Jul 02 21:39:46 *just as planned* Jul 02 21:40:31 uberappcat updat! Jul 02 21:41:00 yes, it is Jul 02 21:41:48 now it also works on the first run and I also process the update feeds now Jul 02 21:41:54 Lonestar99: so what are you saying? Update is glitched? Jul 02 21:42:11 means you should get almost just in time updated and new apps Jul 02 21:42:39 The pixi hurts to open. :( Jul 02 21:43:23 anyone running the new 1.4.5 SDK on Windows7 64bit? Jul 02 21:44:21 i am at home Jul 02 21:46:07 dkirker: its not a slider!!!! Jul 02 21:46:23 lol Jul 02 21:46:38 I should be working and not playing with this thing... :/ Jul 02 21:46:46 palm-generate does not work on command line - any thought? Jul 02 21:46:55 bah. You should always take time to play with new toys. Jul 02 21:47:03 make sure it's included in your windows path folder list Jul 02 21:47:26 and i know there's some funky stuff related to java being installed... (32-bit vs 64-bit) Jul 02 21:47:41 LoneStar99: I had the same problem when I tried to install to a different path than default on 32-bit Jul 02 21:47:44 HattCzech_work: i guess you are right Jul 02 21:47:46 but i'm heading out... good luck... i may be on later if you still don't have it fixed Jul 02 21:48:01 adios all Jul 02 21:48:08 haeffb: ok let me try and reinstall sgain Jul 02 21:48:41 I'm enough of a conformist that I uninstalled and let it go with the default Jul 02 21:49:29 when you send an update for your app does it show up as a second app until it gets approved? Jul 02 21:49:49 in my apps? Jul 02 21:49:51 yes Jul 02 21:49:53 ya Jul 02 21:49:53 ok Jul 02 21:50:09 haeffb: will leave default on reinstall Jul 02 21:50:17 90% sure that will fix it Jul 02 21:56:42 m00r Jul 02 22:23:02 Does anyone have experience with cross app launch methods? Or just service handling in general? Jul 02 22:25:15 ACTION  Jul 02 22:26:23 :O Jul 02 22:27:32 oilsworkn: you Jul 02 22:28:06 oilsworkn: it seems a 'cross app launch' is just invoking the applicationManager launch method with some varied and extra json elements.. is this sort of accurate? Jul 02 22:28:26 or is it a function of pushScene? Jul 02 22:28:27 does WebOS 1.4.5 automatically install into virtualbox? Jul 02 22:28:39 What's that website called? Webos101.com? Jul 02 22:28:52 yeah Jul 02 22:29:02 zsoc: cross-app as-in, the scene from the other app appears in your app? Jul 02 22:29:26 i've never actually attempted that Jul 02 22:29:27 oilsworkn: no... Palm's definition of cross app, like: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1693&Itemid=20 Jul 02 22:29:38 it basically seems to just launch anothing core app, but with varied settings Jul 02 22:30:08 yeah, it probably goes to handleLaunch in the appassistant Jul 02 22:30:17 hi all Jul 02 22:30:28 hey Jul 02 22:30:35 hiya oil Jul 02 22:30:52 oilsworkn: handleLaunch? Is that a method separate from Launch? Jul 02 22:31:19 zsoc: have you looked at the camera app code to see how it handles it? Jul 02 22:31:26 oilsworkn: I'm trying to use a cross-app launch method, but in a PDK app, and obviously I can't use pushScene :p, the docs claim it's possible but it doesn't attempt to describe how Jul 02 22:31:30 oilsworkn: i've captured dbus Jul 02 22:31:47 hmmm Jul 02 22:31:54 pdk app as in, not hybrid? Jul 02 22:31:57 correct Jul 02 22:32:00 sdl gui Jul 02 22:32:02 i dont think you can cross-app launch like that Jul 02 22:32:06 from it Jul 02 22:32:18 i could be entirely wrong Jul 02 22:32:25 "The same services that are available to JavaScript apps are also available to Plug-in apps," Jul 02 22:32:30 but you don't pushScenes/etc in sdl apps Jul 02 22:32:46 I thought that at first as well, but PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback seems like it should uh.. sort of work Jul 02 22:33:05 it may work to talk to a service like gps Jul 02 22:33:08 oilsworkn: thats why i was thinking of trying to invoke the Launch method of applicationManager using PDL_ServiceCall Jul 02 22:33:11 or ipkgservice Jul 02 22:33:15 but that camera cross-app launch Jul 02 22:33:22 pushes the camera scene ontop of your current scene Jul 02 22:33:25 in the same stage as your app Jul 02 22:33:27 oh Jul 02 22:33:31 i thought it was a different stage? Jul 02 22:33:34 hmm.. i see then Jul 02 22:33:51 this.controller.stageController.pushScene( { appId :'com.palm.app.camera', name: 'capture' }, { sublaunch : true, filename: filestring }); Jul 02 22:33:51 So I /could/ invoke Launch, but it would be an entirely different stage and app... Jul 02 22:34:01 right Jul 02 22:34:11 and you wouldn't be notified of it having taken a pic i dont think Jul 02 22:34:17 oilsworkn: what about those other elements? those are the ones i really need control of, the filename: thing Jul 02 22:34:21 it seems like you're trying to get around the lack of camera access apis :) Jul 02 22:34:38 oilsworkn: i'm trying to "get around it" without doing something palm wouldn't agree with, yes, lol. Jul 02 22:34:46 lol Jul 02 22:34:48 I have plently of ways of 'getting around it' :p Jul 02 22:34:51 palm is picky ;) Jul 02 22:36:15 kesne, ? Jul 02 22:36:47 tgif Jul 02 22:37:03 ACarback: agreed :P Jul 02 22:37:29 * oilsworkn wishes friday was yesterday Jul 02 22:37:40 lol Jul 02 22:37:57 3 day weekend tho :) Jul 02 22:38:12 (for the US at least) Jul 02 22:38:40 my boss is jehova whitness Jul 02 22:38:48 always tries to get me to work on holidays because he doesn't celebrate them Jul 02 22:38:49 i know! so happy about that. i got more responsibilities recently so I've been extra busy. Jul 02 22:39:38 my company is only open when the gov't is open. you can show up on monday, but you'll be the only one. Jul 02 22:39:43 oilsworkn: ouch Jul 02 22:40:10 so as far as he knows, i go out of town for every holiday Jul 02 22:40:18 lmao Jul 02 22:40:26 I want to edit the text of a label on the main stage from my game.js file. I have // game.petMsgBind = this.controller.get("petMsg"); // in the mainassistant and am using this code in game.js // this.petMsgBind.setLabel("test"); // what am I doing wrong? Jul 02 22:40:28 woot my coke rewards app finally got approved for the catalog Jul 02 22:40:52 dawm: cool beans. congrats. Jul 02 22:41:24 oilsworkn: somehow i'm sure he knows :) lol Jul 02 22:41:38 yeah congrats. that app looks great Jul 02 22:41:43 shush! Jul 02 22:42:02 com.mycompany.testapp Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'setLabel' (app/game.js:46) repeats in debug Jul 02 22:42:21 "i can't be here monday, ill be out of town going door to door telling people about satan" Jul 02 22:42:49 oilsworkn: Tell him the flying spaghetti monster will hunt down his soul. Jul 02 22:42:53 lol Jul 02 22:43:06 sometimes he wont be here because he's out "whitnessing" thats what they call it Jul 02 22:43:19 more like harrasement. Jul 02 22:43:29 * dohtem misses living in a gated community Jul 02 22:43:40 get a big dog Jul 02 22:44:52 anyone? :P Jul 02 22:45:56 Anivrom: the problem is that your HTMLDivElement has no method "setLabel" Jul 02 22:46:06 hey girl Jul 02 22:46:09 whassaaaaap Jul 02 22:46:16 hey man Jul 02 22:46:37 maybe try..... .update('test') instead Jul 02 22:46:37 ? Jul 02 22:46:47 Oh but it does... I use the method setLabel in the mainassistant to change the label text just fine. Its when I'm using it in game.js it throws the error Jul 02 22:47:24 so you extended the dom to add setLabel? Jul 02 22:47:29 ... Jul 02 22:47:30 * oilsworkn has never seen setLabel before Jul 02 22:47:31 idk lol Jul 02 22:47:36 Avirom: Yeah, I noticed you can't really update stuff correctly from non-assistant files. If someone knows how, please let us know :) Jul 02 22:47:38 is petMsg a widget? Jul 02 22:47:43 commandPlay: function(inSender, event) { Jul 02 22:47:43 this.$.petMsg.setLabel("Play clicked!"); Jul 02 22:47:47 oh Jul 02 22:47:48 this.$ Jul 02 22:47:50 Yea petMsg is a label widget Jul 02 22:47:59 i dont know jack about areas crap Jul 02 22:47:59 Whats the difference? Jul 02 22:48:01 but anyways Jul 02 22:48:06 try Jul 02 22:48:29 this.petMsgBind.mojo.setLabel('test'); Jul 02 22:48:54 ACarback: i do crap outside my assistants in a bunch of apps Jul 02 22:49:26 Hmmm, what is the proper way to go call to a widget in the active scene? Jul 02 22:49:40 i dont know the "proper" way to do anything Jul 02 22:49:44 i can tell you what works though :) Jul 02 22:49:49 lol, good enough Jul 02 22:50:10 i simply tell my object about my assistant Jul 02 22:50:27 this.myObject.listAssistant = this; Jul 02 22:50:28 Please share Jul 02 22:50:35 then the object can access listAssistant.controller/etc Jul 02 22:50:51 updated code is throwing same error Jul 02 22:51:07 Anivrom: i dont know what to tell you then Jul 02 22:51:10 with mojo.setLabel Jul 02 22:51:20 except, ask someone who knows ares ways of doing things Jul 02 22:51:41 Wonder why they are so different to work with. Jul 02 22:51:52 Its almost like an entirely different syntax just for ares Jul 02 22:52:24 ares includes other stuff that straight mojo apps don't Jul 02 22:52:34 in an attempt to make it easier Jul 02 22:52:37 i assume Jul 02 22:52:52 ACarback: did that make any sense? Jul 02 22:52:59 Too bad there's virtually ZERO documentation........................... Jul 02 22:53:41 I told Palm they need to hire me, train me on webOS development, and I would gladly be their documentation slave Jul 02 22:54:01 well someone's gotta do it Jul 02 22:54:14 for n00bs like me Jul 02 22:54:14 oilsworkn: yeah, i get the gist of what you're doing Jul 02 22:54:17 thanks Jul 02 22:54:18 Anivrom: look for Rick_home he's working on a book on it Jul 02 22:54:31 it works great in preware/govnah/wirc ;) Jul 02 22:54:59 normally i hate documentation but I'd love to help palm and other developer out by writing webos docs Jul 02 22:55:12 * oilsworkn hates writing docs Jul 02 22:55:26 Why can't it be as simple as sending the object reference to game.js and then using the object like its any other object.... Jul 02 22:55:33 That's how logical ppl would do it Jul 02 22:55:33 i prefer to point to code and say, "just do it like that!" Jul 02 22:55:54 Anivrom: it should be that easy Jul 02 22:55:54 But if there is no code to "point to"... then what Jul 02 22:57:09 Which is why I learned VB and AS so fast. MSDN was as easy as 123 to learn code from. Usage examples for every property method class etc Jul 02 22:57:15 in fact, you're sending the html object reference to your game object Jul 02 22:57:20 thats correct Jul 02 22:57:22 I know I am Jul 02 22:57:28 and it says its not a method Jul 02 22:57:30 the problem is with how you're using the html object Jul 02 22:57:31 right Jul 02 22:57:44 even though it works just fine in the mainassistant Jul 02 22:57:46 Same code Jul 02 22:58:05 and in non-areas this.controller.get('widgetid').mojo.method() is how you access widget methods Jul 02 22:59:33 well, how you access them after the widget is setup Jul 02 22:59:42 When I change the code to mainLoop : function() { Jul 02 22:59:42 this.$.petMsgBind.setLabel("test"); Jul 02 22:59:42 }, it throws // com.mycompany.testapp Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'petMsgBind' of object (app/game.js:47) instead of setLabel Jul 02 23:00:11 Which I guess makes sense Jul 02 23:00:47 ahh Jul 02 23:00:51 Success Jul 02 23:00:55 lol Jul 02 23:01:10 petMsgBind.update('test') Jul 02 23:01:17 * oilsworkn said that so long ago, hahaha Jul 02 23:01:26 And I thought I tried it ! Jul 02 23:01:29 Guess not... Jul 02 23:01:32 rofl Jul 02 23:02:55 MMnnnn my wife makes the BEST pizza Jul 02 23:03:09 brb Jul 02 23:11:39 well that was simple Jul 02 23:11:52 now to wait for the update to hit the catalog.. :/ Jul 02 23:12:10 lol Jul 02 23:12:27 * oilsworkn hasn't updated his catalog apps in like months Jul 02 23:12:54 i just moved one from the web feed to the catalog, and now i just fixed a bug people have reported Jul 02 23:13:56 nice Jul 02 23:14:00 they changed the copyright footer Jul 02 23:14:19 © 2010 Palm, Inc., a subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company. Jul 02 23:14:20 Palm, Pixi, Pre, Touchstone, and webOS are trademarks of Palm, Inc. Jul 02 23:14:20 All screen images simulated. Jul 02 23:30:21 wirc ftw? Jul 02 23:30:54 power outage! Jul 02 23:33:10 lol Jul 02 23:34:31 can I set 2 intervals for my app? say 1 to move a character in small increments and another to advance the frame at a slower rate? Jul 02 23:34:47 lol dumb question Jul 02 23:34:55 I Jul 02 23:35:08 so i bout a ipod touch 8gb today (online), since theres more books for making games for the iphone/ipod and apparently its really easy to port back to webos, im gonna take a stab at making an iphone game for the purpose of porting it to webos.. Jul 02 23:35:09 I'll just put a second line of code binding it to another function I would presume :P Jul 02 23:35:14 you can have as many intervals as you want Jul 02 23:35:28 you assign it a 'keeper' Jul 02 23:35:39 interval1 = setInterval(...); Jul 02 23:35:41 this.mainLoopInterval = setInterval(this.mainLoopBind, 300); thats my main Jul 02 23:35:43 Yea Jul 02 23:35:45 I got it Jul 02 23:35:46 interval2 = setInterval(...); Jul 02 23:35:49 and to stop Jul 02 23:35:58 clearInterval(interval1); Jul 02 23:36:05 clearInterval(interval2); Jul 02 23:36:25 Is that a good way of doing things for a game though? I need the character to walk fluidly across the screen but want the frames to animate slower than that. Jul 02 23:36:47 whatever makes it work Jul 02 23:36:49 So I figure I'll set up a timer with if statments Jul 02 23:36:58 I wanna be efficient though Jul 02 23:37:05 or one timer really fast and only render the frames every other run Jul 02 23:38:01 Setup a counter and make it loop to say 10 and if num = 10 then num = 1 and advance the frame and render Jul 02 23:46:43 * haeffb wishes I would learn to thoroughly test my apps before submitting to the catalog. Jul 02 23:47:01 haeffb what happened? Jul 02 23:47:09 lol Jul 02 23:47:10 haeffb: I think we all need to work on that Jul 02 23:47:16 nothing. I just get impatient. Jul 02 23:47:33 too ingrained in the 'throw shit at the wall and see what sticks' method... Jul 02 23:47:42 smiles... Jul 02 23:47:49 what up JenP? Jul 02 23:47:55 spagetti does that when its done Jul 02 23:48:06 not much. How about you? Big plans for the fourth? Jul 02 23:48:10 s/shit/spaghetti Jul 02 23:48:19 lol Jul 02 23:48:31 not really. Preparing for vacation in South Carolina Jul 02 23:48:52 cool! Jul 02 23:49:01 you? Jul 02 23:49:05 hello dave Jul 02 23:49:12 Jul 02 23:49:21 house full of kids this weekend...all girls...all teens.... Jul 02 23:49:45 here's an offtopic question Jul 02 23:49:56 sssshhhhh... kesne might be listening Jul 02 23:50:03 lol Jul 02 23:50:03 jenp, better have backup Jul 02 23:50:13 hi sugardave_pre!!! Jul 02 23:50:18 does anyone know what HAL stands for; from the movie 2001: a space odyessy(sp?) Jul 02 23:50:28 hello Jul 02 23:50:36 yeah if i hear another "Twilight" recap I may go into cardiac arrest Jul 02 23:50:46 Well Jul 02 23:50:53 HAL is a one-letter shift of IBM Jul 02 23:50:57 Originally they approached IMB Jul 02 23:51:00 gah Jul 02 23:51:02 Beat me to it Jul 02 23:51:08 heh dave got it Jul 02 23:51:15 * dawm|laptop hands sugardave_pre a cookie. Jul 02 23:51:18 They wanted to product place IBM but they said no so they shifted it Jul 02 23:51:20 :P Jul 02 23:51:25 And then IBM regretted it Jul 02 23:51:42 heh, my employer Jul 02 23:51:46 there's my fragmented explanation Jul 02 23:51:56 * Anivrom puts on smug look Jul 02 23:52:35 man the press on a new tablet is exciting Jul 02 23:52:52 HAL (Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic Computer) Jul 02 23:52:54 Clarke more directly addressed this issue in his book The Lost Worlds of 2001:[4] Jul 02 23:52:58 i hate not keeping up on tweets.. i dont feel like reading far back enough but then i end up having to to find out what went on.. Jul 02 23:53:05 As is clearly stated in the novel (Chapter 16), HAL stands for Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer. However, about once a week some character spots the fact that HAL is one letter ahead of IBM, and promptly assumes that Stanley and I were taking a crack at the estimable institution ... As it happened, IBM had given us a good deal of help, so we were quite embarrassed by this, and would have changed the name had we spotted the coincid Jul 02 23:53:22 I like mine better Jul 02 23:53:26 :P Jul 02 23:53:36 SHOW OFF :( Jul 02 23:53:45 he googled Jul 02 23:53:47 cheat Jul 02 23:54:09 Although it is often conjectured that the name HAL was based on a one-letter shift from the name IBM, this has been denied by both Clarke and 2001 director Stanley Kubrick.[1] In 2010: Odyssey Two, Clarke speaks through the character of Dr. Chandra, who characterized this idea as: "[u]tter nonsense! [...] I thought that by now every intelligent person knew that H-A-L is derived from Heuristic ALgorithmic".[2][3] Jul 02 23:54:18 wikipedia ftw Jul 02 23:54:32 ftl cheater Jul 02 23:54:50 phhhtt. rules? what rules? Jul 02 23:54:54 omg, proven to be unintelligent by wikipedia Jul 02 23:54:55 confusia say " you go to jail NOWWW bad boy" Jul 02 23:55:01 * sugardave_pre is ashamed. Jul 02 23:55:30 i always thought it was Happy Animal Laughter Jul 02 23:56:00 that was the second choice Jul 02 23:56:12 and 2nd is Hardware Abstraction Layer Jul 02 23:56:25 * haeffb wonders what it would have been like to be alive 20 years ago when you couldn't just ask google... Jul 02 23:56:36 heh Jul 02 23:56:38 i remmber days before google Jul 02 23:56:54 AOL had one i used alot Jul 02 23:57:00 WebSpider or something Jul 02 23:57:17 but the big one was altavista Jul 02 23:57:21 or av Jul 02 23:57:21 ya, actually having to read books... what nonsense Jul 02 23:57:26 archie Jul 02 23:57:28 profusion was the best before google Jul 02 23:57:33 gopher Jul 02 23:57:47 wow altavista is still around Jul 02 23:57:55 in 1990 I was running Windows 3.1...AOL prolly didn't exist. Jul 02 23:57:55 I don't remember any of those Jul 02 23:58:05 aol existed Jul 02 23:58:09 gopher.umn.edu Jul 02 23:58:12 hell i ran CompuServe in DOS Jul 02 23:58:19 prodigy, baby Jul 02 23:58:34 compuserve, vic20 300bps Jul 02 23:58:45 wow, fancy Jul 02 23:58:49 * sugardave_pre is old. Jul 02 23:58:51 1983 Jul 02 23:59:00 yep Jul 02 23:59:12 What would I do without JSLint :O Jul 02 23:59:13 on a tandy Jul 02 23:59:15 i had a commodore pc.. 8086 ftw Jul 02 23:59:23 * haeffb used a computer from Montgomery Ward that did "task switching" before Windows Jul 02 23:59:41 doh! Jul 02 23:59:52 my dad wrote a book on our trs80 Jul 03 00:00:00 if only I had paid more attention to peek and poke Jul 03 00:00:12 wish we still had it Jul 03 00:00:17 amazon just now refunds some money from an item i returned.. i coulda used that money a few hours ago when i bought something with paypal.. Jul 03 00:00:30 i had a trs80 Jul 03 00:00:50 ti99/4a Jul 03 00:00:52 ZENITH EZ PC for the freakin WIN Jul 03 00:00:57 I loved that thing Jul 03 00:01:01 i remember spending an hour or two typing in commands just to see some pretty graphic come on the screen Jul 03 00:01:24 GOTO 20 Jul 03 00:01:25 I still have my com128 and amiga 1k Jul 03 00:01:26 i miss my c64 tho.. many many hours lost in that Jul 03 00:01:33 Had to load dos off disk first then you had to load the mouse driver off disk even though battlechess was the only game that used the mouse Jul 03 00:01:36 Long before windows Jul 03 00:01:39 sugardave_pre <-- pack rat Jul 03 00:01:49 heh Jul 03 00:01:57 my favorite game for C64 was ALF Jul 03 00:02:12 battlechess Jul 03 00:02:13 and Double Dare Jul 03 00:02:19 love that game Jul 03 00:03:16 went from trs80 to a kaypro Jul 03 00:03:56 downgrade Jul 03 00:04:16 battlechess is freakin awesome lol. LIVE combat Jul 03 00:04:17 i first learned about unplugging the power supply when playing around inside a computer when i unplugged the 720k floppy drive on my IBM PS/2 while the system was on.. small spark and then dead computer Jul 03 00:04:55 but we got a 486 so it was a FTW situation.. Jul 03 00:05:05 went from a 8087 to 486 Jul 03 00:08:53 crap.. missed xplay and aots.. good thing they rerun it like crazy! Jul 03 00:20:27 anyone around which knows german? Jul 03 00:22:03 Wonder why it says it can't connect to the device when I try and turn debug mode on even if my phones plugged in Jul 03 00:22:14 but the emulator works in debug mode Jul 03 00:24:04 huh Jul 03 00:49:41 anyone get errors about kernel driver when starting the emulator with fresh 1.4.5 SDK install? Jul 03 00:50:33 bartholemew: what OS you using? Jul 03 00:50:46 xp Jul 03 00:50:54 did upgrade the VirtualBox? Jul 03 00:51:25 yes Jul 03 00:52:03 right now i'm uninstalling and reinstalling everything over on my dev machine ... Jul 03 00:52:29 btw, i assume that palm believes it's ok that the virtual box install issues multiple warnings about not passing windows xp logo testing? Jul 03 00:54:05 lonestar did you have a trouble free install of 1.4.5? (if so what OS?) Jul 03 00:54:32 acutally just installed it a while ago Jul 03 00:55:03 had some issues, installing to a custom path, so uninstalled restarted and Jul 03 00:55:19 installed in the default path and everything works now Jul 03 00:55:46 hmm, i just now tried something i didn't do the first time ... just finished virtual box reinstall and before installing sdk, i deleted my sdk VM from virtual box this time ... Jul 03 00:56:14 i don't think install instructions said you should do that, but i'm trying it Jul 03 00:57:24 had to delete the VM once and reinstall Jul 03 00:57:49 btw when i installed virtual box the first time (& also subsquent times), my next xp reboot came up & said it found new hardware, but it couldn't find a driver for it ... although that didn't seem to break anything w/the emulator or w/windows LAN connection Jul 03 00:57:51 some weird errors began to occur out of nowhere Jul 03 00:58:35 bartholemew: not sure only used Vista and Win7 with emulator stufff Jul 03 01:00:09 restarting emulator on new install; fingers crossed .... Jul 03 01:00:28 good luck Jul 03 01:00:37 looks like it worked. cool. Jul 03 01:00:44 maybe the old VM was the problem. Jul 03 01:05:42 yeah probably so Jul 03 01:07:57 maybe i should RTFM for VirtualBox ... ;) Jul 03 01:10:18 oh well Jul 03 01:10:37 it sucks to read alot of info, when you can just ask others for advise Jul 03 01:12:34 yep. ;) well since i followed the SDK install instructions i expected it to work; they didn't have anything in there about deleting the old VM Jul 03 01:12:55 anyway, working now ... off to do some reading ... Jul 03 01:13:41 cool Jul 03 01:16:15 whoops. there actually is a troubleshooting page; it's just one link down from main install page. RTFM for me. Jul 03 01:25:22 I really don't like how the UI renders in WebOS 1.4 and up. Is there a way to make sure that the widgets are all loaded before the scene appears on the page? Jul 03 01:27:32 oh crap heh.. i have a js game running in chrome since yesterday on autoplay.. score is up to 210,935,520 Jul 03 01:28:22 reality9110: do you mean that splash screen with app icon? Jul 03 01:29:01 No. I mean that when I push a scene, the list widget gets setup after the scene is loaded. Jul 03 01:29:11 It's not rendering in the scene's setup. Jul 03 01:29:13 i never had that problem Jul 03 01:29:14 oh ok Jul 03 01:29:25 have not used list widget yet Jul 03 01:29:35 It's really obvious if you use a drawer widget Jul 03 01:29:49 The drawer is rendered open...and then closes Jul 03 01:31:56 It just looks ugly Jul 03 01:32:05 console.log("console") is the correct syntax correct? Jul 03 01:32:29 Anivrom: yes Jul 03 01:32:35 And where does it output to? Jul 03 01:33:43 reality9110: have not used the drawer widget... Jul 03 01:34:01 To the term Jul 03 01:34:12 LoneStar99: Use more widgets! Jul 03 01:34:59 reality9110: lol Jul 03 01:35:03 yeah I should Jul 03 01:35:59 gonna build a new app, so maybe the drawer will come in handy Jul 03 01:36:17 I think Palm really wants PDK apps Jul 03 01:36:30 They asked me to port over to the PDK Jul 03 01:37:39 what is your app again? Jul 03 01:37:46 RadioTime Jul 03 01:37:53 hm... i'm unsure how the pdl would help that Jul 03 01:37:55 reality9110: PDK apps seem interesting, but only native PDK apps are supported, was thinking of a Hybrid, but completely supported yet Jul 03 01:38:14 zsoc: If anything, it would lose functionality Jul 03 01:38:29 but you could make it /look/ prettier with /a lot/ of work :> Jul 03 01:38:50 I'm not a fan of c/c++ Jul 03 01:39:04 it's the only thing i'm good at lol Jul 03 01:39:06 Mainly because I don't understand it Jul 03 01:39:20 thats funny, i can't stand abstracted languages, they drive me nutty :> Jul 03 01:39:42 reality9110: any apps in the emulator that use the drawer widget? Jul 03 01:40:02 LoneStar99: I'm sure there's one in the sample Jul 03 01:40:35 I have no idea how to bridge the UI with the c++ code Jul 03 01:41:26 And I look at c/c++ code and my eyes go crossed Jul 03 01:41:29 reality9110: i would assume a hybrid app... but still learning about PDK stuff Jul 03 01:41:30 reality9110: agar is a nice widget library for sdl Jul 03 01:41:35 it would be a huge pain tho Jul 03 01:41:41 otherwise, hybrid :) Jul 03 01:41:53 Hybrid does nothing for me. Jul 03 01:42:40 I can't access metadata so what's the point? Jul 03 01:43:09 If I could, I'd add things like "Buy this song now" or real time weather/traffic RDS updates Jul 03 01:45:15 i would assume the only apps that would be C/C++ would be games, and maybe some sort of intense drawing program Jul 03 01:46:02 I'd just like to see jquery Jul 03 01:47:45 i thought, i read, you can install a PDK app in the emulator as of 1.4.5 is that right? Jul 03 01:49:26 No idea. I'm still on 1.4.0 Jul 03 01:49:42 k Jul 03 01:49:48 let me read more Jul 03 01:50:16 just upgraded to 1.4.5 a few hours ago Jul 03 01:52:06 1.4.5's out? Jul 03 01:52:27 yeah i beleive as a few days ago Jul 03 01:52:41 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1588&Itemid=55 Jul 03 02:02:29 ooh Jul 03 02:02:41 iphone.g4tv.com awesome Jul 03 02:02:53 since they dont have an app for us.. Jul 03 02:10:48 :( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 03 02:59:56 2010