**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 04 02:59:57 2010 Jul 04 03:08:37 let's hope so Jul 04 03:08:42 and how about some 1.4.5 lovin on sprint Jul 04 03:08:50 Bell too :/ Jul 04 03:08:59 Hope it fixes more than breaks Jul 04 03:09:04 I think I'm having an issue with wirc where my pre is... still connected to the network after closing all the cards Jul 04 03:09:31 yea I think that's an issue, you know about the #wirc channel right? Jul 04 03:09:40 I did not know about that channel Jul 04 03:09:49 all things wird Jul 04 03:09:51 wirc Jul 04 03:09:54 apparently :P Jul 04 03:10:06 oil hangs in there I think Jul 04 03:10:21 all the wirc authors do Jul 04 03:10:34 lol Jul 04 03:10:36 killer app imo Jul 04 03:10:39 word Jul 04 03:10:42 oil: hey Jul 04 03:10:42 badass irc client Jul 04 03:10:44 :P Jul 04 03:11:04 hey Jul 04 03:11:21 torchie: worth a mention in there on your bug, maybe its a known issue Jul 04 03:11:37 yeah I'm in there Jul 04 03:11:41 yeah, that happens with the service Jul 04 03:11:53 where it stays connected in the background Jul 04 03:12:02 wont be an issue with the next release Jul 04 03:12:11 no service to stay connected in the background Jul 04 03:12:19 tossing the main card kills the plugin Jul 04 03:12:32 since we switched from service to plugin Jul 04 03:12:39 so should I toss the main card before the channel cards? Jul 04 03:12:43 no Jul 04 03:12:45 well Jul 04 03:12:46 in 030 Jul 04 03:12:55 in 024 its best to close the server list last Jul 04 03:13:08 but it still just happens sometimes Jul 04 03:58:44 hrm.. weird.. my ipod just left hongkong.. apple doesnt keep a supply here in the states? Jul 04 04:04:26 quick question.. looking at this image, can you tell me how you disable sound effects? Jul 04 04:04:28 http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/public/3908/en/images/1/L/mycokerewards_2010-28-06_224015.png Jul 04 04:05:37 hit the upper right audio thing ? Jul 04 04:05:53 bingo Jul 04 04:06:15 so i guess the answer is yes, i can tell you Jul 04 04:06:16 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/252227-app-request.html#post2538439 Jul 04 04:06:28 this guy apparently isnt so obvious Jul 04 04:11:15 dawm_: this.ctx.drawImage(this.playerPet.imgRight[this.playerPet.animationFrame],this.playerPet.petX,this.playerPet.petY); thats the line causing the DOM exception Jul 04 04:11:56 Would it make a difference that I split it up into 2 lines for readability? Jul 04 04:12:11 i dont see a problem unless one of those vars doesnt exist Jul 04 04:12:20 They exist and it draws fine Jul 04 04:12:28 Jsut get a log everytime Jul 04 04:12:38 very odd Jul 04 04:12:44 And not everytime either Jul 04 04:13:17 Otherwise it would be flooded, only about 6 times, animation is 3 frames couple times a second Jul 04 04:13:55 Don't know why it throws exception only some of the time. But its not breaking my app so I'm just gonna ignore it for now Jul 04 04:14:09 lol Jul 04 04:14:14 :P Jul 04 04:14:30 welp im off to bed, gotta get up for work in like... 4hrs Jul 04 04:15:06 Yea I have church in the morning... Gotta play the drums, not gonna be pretty Jul 04 04:15:40 *due to lack of sleep, not lack of skill... erm Jul 04 04:17:16 although the latter is definately argueable somedays :P Jul 04 04:17:20 goodnight Jul 04 04:59:53 external (3rd Party) api authentication via WebOS? Jul 04 05:00:47 sorry any one messed with external (3rd Party) apis authentication via WebOS? Jul 04 05:36:14 very quite this weekend Jul 04 06:27:44 finally Jul 04 06:32:56 hi Jul 04 06:34:10 I'm searching through the API reference of pdk/sdk and wonder wether it is possible to block calls from certain numbers. Is this possible? Jul 04 06:37:10 I thought about registering a callback for a service, but didn't found anything related to incoming calls. Jul 04 07:16:15 hi all Jul 04 07:28:28 JenP :D Jul 04 07:28:35 welcome back Jul 04 07:28:36 hi EmmettLollis Jul 04 07:29:03 thanks Jul 04 07:29:36 i need to come up with a cool icon Jul 04 07:29:51 what's your app? Jul 04 07:29:58 the diet one? Jul 04 07:30:03 calorie/carb/weight tracker Jul 04 07:30:04 yes Jul 04 07:30:46 how about a scale? Jul 04 07:30:56 yeah, thats where i'm leaning Jul 04 07:31:48 it would distinguish it from the other ones Jul 04 08:26:24 Hello! Jul 04 08:31:18 hello DelphiMarkus Jul 04 08:31:53 I've got a problem with installation of the eclipce plugin. I've got Eclipse 3.5.2 and it says that it can't download "com.palm.pdt.aptana" and my browser says also "File not found". So I can't install the plugin. Jul 04 08:32:59 i didn't have any problems installing but i am running 3.4.2 Jul 04 08:33:31 Hm... I've got fedora... Maybe there is a 3.4.x-version in the repos... Jul 04 08:39:05 There is no 3.4 in the repos. OK, then from eclipse.org. I hope it works then... Jul 04 08:40:26 not sure if it will fix your problem but worth a try Jul 04 08:41:29 i'm out.. Jul 04 10:33:14 hi all Jul 04 10:33:36 i have a simple question about the capabilities of the pdk Jul 04 10:33:41 any1 might help me? Jul 04 10:36:02 question is: is it possible to add new chatprotocols or even other communication types to the messaging application of the webos? like... add your very own chat, completely integrated? Jul 04 12:38:18 I was looking at the API reference of PDK/SDK and did not found anything related to an incoming call. Is it possible to register a callback for incoming calls to block certain calls? Jul 04 15:09:36 hi all Jul 04 15:09:53 hi JenP Jul 04 15:10:04 hi BigBiff Jul 04 15:17:59 hi Jul 04 15:20:10 hi MetaView Jul 04 15:31:56 hmm, ubercalendar failed to install Jul 04 15:32:13 guess I'll leave the developer a bad review Jul 04 15:34:40 * BigBiff doesn't know what a 'hunk' is Jul 04 15:35:34 time to restart Jul 04 15:35:37 ? Jul 04 15:35:37 hehe Jul 04 15:35:48 how will you leave a bad review? eh? Jul 04 15:35:49 :) Jul 04 15:35:59 oh I'll find a way Jul 04 15:36:00 just install all your calendar patches Jul 04 15:36:09 so do you think it's a developer issue or the app catalog issue Jul 04 15:36:21 definitely developer Jul 04 15:36:23 it's a french issue Jul 04 15:36:30 lol Jul 04 15:36:48 it works fine for soccer champions.... :p Jul 04 15:36:57 oooh Jul 04 15:37:07 low blow Jul 04 15:37:10 foul Jul 04 15:37:23 no kidding, if you get an hunk error then you still have another patch in the calendar installed Jul 04 15:37:59 oh ic so uninstall the old patches? Jul 04 15:38:23 yes Jul 04 15:38:29 ahh Jul 04 15:40:30 MetaView, have you written other patches? or just calendar Jul 04 15:41:05 * BigBiff wonders how difficult they are to write Jul 04 15:41:32 I haven't spent much time on internals page Jul 04 15:42:32 I wrote "2G/3G in device menu" Jul 04 15:42:40 and Create Birthday events Jul 04 15:42:54 cool Jul 04 15:43:10 it's not hard to write the patch, it's a bit difficult to create a working patch file Jul 04 15:43:25 I c Jul 04 15:43:32 and touching html-files is a box of pandorra Jul 04 15:44:04 html file exist usually in every language, means you would ned to edit them for each language Jul 04 15:44:18 eww Jul 04 15:44:20 but then you have the US-devices which only have english and spanish installed Jul 04 15:44:31 which means, the patch doesn't work for them Jul 04 15:44:53 if you don't edit the other languages, people in europe can't use the patch Jul 04 15:45:13 you would need an US patch and a ROW patch Jul 04 16:24:13 anyone know if a wiimote can be hacked to a phone? Jul 04 16:24:56 you want to turn your wiimote into a phone? good god, man! are you insane? Jul 04 16:25:23 if a shoe can be a phone .. a wiimote surely can Jul 04 16:25:26 the gaming possibilities would be cool Jul 04 16:25:40 2 accelerometers Jul 04 16:26:12 and now with the new devices having hdmi Jul 04 16:26:53 turn any lcd into a smartboard without a computer Jul 04 16:27:25 that would be very handy/cheap Jul 04 16:47:39 haeffb: I need a good rib/butt rub recipe Jul 04 16:48:36 any good ones online you know of? Jul 04 16:49:38 nothing in particular. I usually just throw some stuff together... Jul 04 16:50:14 Meat tenderizer, any ole seasoning, and beer = the perfect recipe Jul 04 16:50:22 ya me too, I need something different Jul 04 16:50:38 brining overnight Jul 04 16:51:28 ugh i hate sql! Jul 04 16:51:44 JenP: why is that? Jul 04 16:52:28 for the past 4 days i've been trying to get this update function working. No matter how i rewrite the statements it always fails Jul 04 16:52:56 what's the statement? I work with SQL every day of my life Jul 04 16:54:17 http://pastebin.com/xbEmV7qm Jul 04 16:55:14 woops scratch that Jul 04 16:55:16 http://pastebin.com/VwXZn8Uc Jul 04 16:55:59 textual values must be enclosed in ' Jul 04 16:56:10 update table set column = 'text data' Jul 04 16:56:23 then double escape ' with '' Jul 04 16:56:49 kk Jul 04 16:57:14 the double escape is for textual data that contains a ' fyi Jul 04 16:57:50 ? Jul 04 16:58:16 let's say some enters a names like "Joe's Name" Jul 04 16:58:25 right Jul 04 16:58:43 the ' in Joe's will throw off the encapsulation, so you have to replace Joe's with Joe''s for the sql to work Jul 04 16:59:03 update table set column = 'Joe''s Name' Jul 04 16:59:18 ok Jul 04 16:59:33 so ,notes = 'notesUpdate' Jul 04 16:59:51 s/b ,notes = 'notesUpdate"' Jul 04 17:00:11 that doesn't seem right Jul 04 17:00:54 ... notes = '" + model.value + "' ... Jul 04 17:01:19 I have a function I run all data through to do the escaping Jul 04 17:02:45 http://pastebin.com/EyNApJL1 Jul 04 17:02:55 this was my second attempt at trying to do the update Jul 04 17:03:44 which also fail miserably Jul 04 17:04:29 print the SQL statement before executeing to make sure it look sright Jul 04 17:04:44 kk Jul 04 17:04:58 but you are running the WHERE on the card_id column, but using the index of the list as that value, the two are most likely not going to match Jul 04 17:05:35 they do. it comes over from a cookie Jul 04 17:05:42 do not forget the closing ' Jul 04 17:05:49 palm memos app is Jul 04 17:05:52 absolute bullcrap Jul 04 17:06:09 the closing '? Jul 04 17:07:25 I updated your paste bin code with the first few fixed Jul 04 17:08:19 i think you need to paste the link for me to see them Jul 04 17:08:32 http://pastebin.com/LFuz8DaD Jul 04 17:09:13 oh ...kk thanks i'll try that Jul 04 17:12:05 never again am I doing copy/paste with the gesture area Jul 04 17:13:57 never? Jul 04 17:14:26 not until they make undo Jul 04 17:14:40 also how do you get to desktop facebook from touch facebook? I'm stuck on touch Jul 04 17:16:03 torchie: try "notes" app from catalog? Jul 04 17:16:19 no credit card Jul 04 17:18:23 JenP: do you get the 'results' in the log? Jul 04 17:19:17 U used to but now it's not working at all...i'll let you know when i've got it working again Jul 04 17:19:22 semi working Jul 04 17:21:48 Jenp: Are you using the Palm Log? You can do a Mojo.Log.info(sql) to see the SQL Jul 04 17:22:22 yup using log ...it's just now it's saying it can't set up the widgets Jul 04 17:22:32 opps Jul 04 17:23:54 INSERT OR REPLACE INTO -----?---- is REPLACE INTO the same as UPdate? Jul 04 17:26:28 * haeffb_pre uses replace into instead of insert & update Jul 04 17:33:45 replace is good for just fixing data, but updating a whole record should use update, it's computationally less intensive Jul 04 17:33:51 ok i think i've got it...my card id and index id no longer match when i update the info. Jul 04 17:34:10 what's the better way to get the correct cardid on listTap? Jul 04 17:34:17 yeah, you were using the index from the rows, and not the IS from the database Jul 04 17:34:39 store the id as a value in the list model, then pull and use it in the ontap Jul 04 17:35:03 good idea thanks Jul 04 17:35:05 brb Jul 04 17:39:24 Hey all! Jul 04 17:41:42 I hate iPhone development Jul 04 17:41:46 webOS is betterz Jul 04 17:41:48 zzzz Jul 04 17:44:06 kesne: is the iPhone highly restrictive? Jul 04 17:44:57 heh, never even tried iPhone dev Jul 04 17:45:22 objective c is kind of neat .. and the interface builder works pretty nicely for the gui stuff Jul 04 17:45:44 but the memory management stuff can be a little cumbersome for some people Jul 04 17:46:13 The potential behind it is really great Jul 04 17:46:15 amazing docs Jul 04 17:46:16 etc Jul 04 17:47:33 if you haven't seen it, there's a stanford university course given in january that's on itunes university Jul 04 17:47:44 lots of good tips given by those guys Jul 04 17:51:10 happy Independence Day, my fellow Americans Jul 04 17:51:59 sugardave: indeed, same to you Jul 04 17:52:26 happy 4th! Jul 04 17:53:10 :the party was yesterday man! Jul 04 17:53:12 Feliz Cuatro de Julio! Jul 04 17:54:30 Feliz cumpleanos America Jul 04 17:59:50 Yeah - Will have a shot of Whiskey for American Independence since 1988 from the chinese Jul 04 18:00:29 after winning the battle of Shanghai Jul 04 18:01:57 getting all my facts from facebook blogs Jul 04 18:02:42 Lonestar: are you a SDF member? Jul 04 18:03:38 oauth is pissing me off Jul 04 18:04:39 k\t: "SDF" ? Jul 04 18:05:53 LoneStar99: http://sdf.lonestar.org Jul 04 18:07:00 sugardave: was messsing with some oauth stuff yesterday, this is a far as i got http://urloid.com/OA/example/ Jul 04 18:07:44 k\t: no I am not, is it cool? Jul 04 18:07:48 LoneStar99: thanks, I finally got the initial requestRequestToken to work properly, but having hell with the next step Jul 04 18:08:33 well i don't find SDF _cool_ but SDF can be worthwhile... Jul 04 18:08:34 sugardave: you using a javascript library or server side programming language? Jul 04 18:08:45 js Jul 04 18:09:07 k\t: seems interesting, my favorite OS is FreeBSD Jul 04 18:09:19 and WebOS Jul 04 18:09:19 cool Jul 04 18:09:28 heh, =) Jul 04 18:10:28 k\t: will look into SDF seems very interesting Jul 04 18:11:17 LoneStar99: trust me, SDF can be _very_ handy at times... ;) Jul 04 18:11:17 sugardave: same here, will mess more with oauth in a few days need to work on other code first Jul 04 18:11:49 right on! Jul 04 18:19:12 preferred way to get source off the phone in the absence of ssh/sftp? Jul 04 18:21:56 novaterm ? Jul 04 18:24:16 Internalz? Jul 04 18:26:06 internalz? Jul 04 18:32:25 will anything bad come of renaming my pre-as-flash-drive volume? Jul 04 18:32:42 re Jul 04 18:32:45 from "PALM PRE" to something else Jul 04 18:33:39 probably not Jul 04 18:33:44 sweet Jul 04 18:33:49 BigBiff_pre ? Jul 04 18:33:57 ya Jul 04 18:34:02 want to connect a phone and a wiimote? Jul 04 18:34:05 renamed to Jul 04 18:34:07 PALM PRIX Jul 04 18:34:11 sure Jul 04 18:34:26 LJP for PalmOS exists with a wiimote interface :) Jul 04 18:34:44 cool Jul 04 18:34:49 link? Jul 04 18:34:51 !google LJP wiimote Jul 04 18:34:52 how well does LJP for palmOS run? Jul 04 18:35:01 on a Pre? not very well Jul 04 18:35:03 on webos Jul 04 18:35:04 oh. Jul 04 18:35:22 there is only a limited amount of RAM in Classic Jul 04 18:35:40 at least Duke3D didn't start because of too less ram Jul 04 18:35:40 and classic = $ Jul 04 18:36:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKgGtcEmmiA Jul 04 18:36:12 yeah :( Jul 04 18:36:19 it's even my video :) Jul 04 18:36:20 though it's almost worth it if you use quicken Jul 04 18:36:26 not that I'm cheap, it's just that there are no app catalog gift cards Jul 04 18:37:00 I use classic just only for 2TwitMe... Jul 04 18:39:01 I'd love quicken for webos Jul 04 19:05:35 moo Jul 04 19:05:44 boo Jul 04 19:05:56 poo Jul 04 19:26:50 /nick JenP Jul 04 19:27:08 hi all Jul 04 19:30:10 * haeffb_pre full of ribs & fixins Jul 04 19:30:37 hi JenP, haeffb_pre and sugardav1 and everyone else! Jul 04 19:30:40 lol i went to get doughnuts for the girls....$150 later... Jul 04 19:30:44 hi dkirker! Jul 04 19:30:45 time for one of sugardave's naplunches Jul 04 19:30:51 lol Jul 04 19:31:47 hey dkirker Jul 04 19:31:54 mmmm... nap. mmmm.... lunch. Jul 04 19:32:02 nah, I'm still in Houston on crappy DSL Jul 04 19:32:03 mmmm... STEAK! Jul 04 19:32:17 mmmm.... crappy DSL. Jul 04 19:32:20 wait, nasty! Jul 04 19:32:22 * sugardav1 had some deer steak last night. "Tasty!" Jul 04 19:32:24 LOL Jul 04 19:32:54 time to finish getting ready and get this Independence Day party started! Jul 04 19:33:37 http://img.ly/1CXy Jul 04 19:34:54 each flag represents a service member killed in the line of duty...freedom isn't free. Jul 04 19:41:32 haeffb_pre: almost free if the flags are made in china... Jul 04 19:41:39 bad joke... Jul 04 20:11:39 hi Jul 04 20:13:02 anyone here have experience with getsatisfaction? Jul 04 20:13:28 getsatisfaction? not i Jul 04 20:13:39 hi JenP! Jul 04 20:13:51 hi EmmettLollis! Happy 4th Jul 04 20:14:04 thanks, you too! Jul 04 20:16:39 i'm signing up for getsatisfaction but i don't know weither to use my app name or my name for company name Jul 04 20:19:27 what's getsatisfaction? Jul 04 20:23:22 http://www.getsatisfaction.com Jul 04 20:25:02 yeah that one Jul 04 20:26:10 oh cool Jul 04 20:26:48 i was going to just to a fb fan page for support but it doesn't look very good on the phone Jul 04 20:46:21 is there a way i can customize what apps launch from the main little bar at the bottom that currently has phone/contacts/email/launcher Jul 04 20:46:29 i want the web browser instead of contacts Jul 04 20:48:22 techrush: yes Jul 04 20:48:51 is it something in preware or a setting somewhere im missing ? Jul 04 20:48:57 you have to drag one off Jul 04 20:49:00 before you can drag one on Jul 04 20:49:18 open the launcher, tap and hold the icon that you want to remove from the dock, and drag it into the launcher Jul 04 20:49:26 oh :) Jul 04 20:49:35 that bugged me too Jul 04 20:49:36 then reverse the steps for the one that you want to add :) Jul 04 20:51:36 it seems I lost all internet connection on my Pre. Any idea what could have gone wrong ? Jul 04 20:55:00 hm.. actually I can get webpages with the browser, but all apps including appCatalog seem locked out Jul 04 21:01:04 question: results.rows.item(i).card_name; what is 'i' suppose to represent in the dB Jul 04 21:02:14 JenP: looks like the index of the item you want in that row... Jul 04 21:03:13 ok we'll here's my question if i already know the card id i want do i then do results.rows.item(cardId).card_name; Jul 04 21:03:48 nah Jul 04 21:03:55 index is a numeric value Jul 04 21:04:04 id a is string Jul 04 21:04:26 well if i = parseInt(cardid) Jul 04 21:04:48 not sure I get you right anyway, I'm only making wild guesses ;) Jul 04 21:04:57 smiles...me too Jul 04 21:06:32 you might want to do a "for" loop on results.rows.item and check the card_name Jul 04 21:07:02 you think? Jul 04 21:07:25 this is the brute force method... there probably is something smarter to do Jul 04 21:07:53 where does this result come from ? Jul 04 21:07:56 html5db ? Jul 04 21:08:03 yeah Jul 04 21:08:15 can't you ask for the card_name in sql ? Jul 04 21:08:34 SELECT * FROM mydb WHERE card_name = xxx Jul 04 21:08:47 yes. true i'll try that Jul 04 21:32:50 hi Jul 04 21:45:17 hi warpdesign Jul 04 21:46:39 what's up here ? Jul 04 21:47:16 not much Jul 04 21:54:15 PAR-TY! Jul 04 21:54:28 That's what's up in here :D Jul 04 21:54:45 lol hi dkirker Jul 04 21:54:53 hi JenP! Jul 04 21:55:00 LOL Jul 04 21:55:12 hey, nice: ) Jul 04 21:55:43 * haeffb_pre playing jump o'clock Jul 04 21:56:34 seems to be best of the $0.50 glu games Jul 04 21:56:54 it's a cool one but i still the crossword puzzle app the best Jul 04 21:58:02 is that glu? Jul 04 21:58:10 idk Jul 04 21:59:32 nope. $5.00 at half price Jul 04 22:00:05 it's really good Jul 04 22:01:33 got it Jul 04 22:01:48 you'll like it Jul 04 22:03:27 N.O.V.A ? Jul 04 22:03:34 ? Jul 04 22:04:07 another game...anyone tried it? Jul 04 22:04:15 not i Jul 04 22:04:23 * haeffb_pre loading up for 18 hours on the road Jul 04 22:07:30 allo allz Jul 04 22:10:38 * oil played like the first level of nova Jul 04 22:10:50 is it good? Jul 04 22:10:57 Was thinking of getting it Jul 04 22:11:21 well, it helped me see im not fond of fps on mobile Jul 04 22:11:27 lol Jul 04 22:11:28 lol Jul 04 22:11:36 i guess if i was really, really bored i might pick it up again Jul 04 22:12:10 super k.o 2 isn't too bad. controls are good. Jul 04 22:13:21 sql question guys:if i do this--> viewsql = 'SELECT * FROM cardInfoTable WHERE card_id=' + getCardId + ';'; Jul 04 22:14:07 how do i pull out the individual data from it? e.g. card_name = viewsql.card_name; ? Jul 04 22:14:50 or would it be card_name = results.rows.item(0).card_name; Jul 04 22:15:57 oh! that worked yeah!! Jul 04 22:16:50 I love it when a comes together :P Jul 04 22:18:04 smiles... Jul 04 22:18:11 oops.... when a plan* Jul 04 22:21:17 wait that didn't work...sigh Jul 04 22:39:03 woot Jul 04 22:39:14 hey dawm|laptop Jul 04 22:39:18 just added the palm developer day youtube vids to frontrow Jul 04 22:39:29 no more having to use youtube to watch them Jul 04 22:39:43 awesome Jul 04 22:42:00 does sqlite return an array? when you do SELECT*FROM .... WHERE....x=y; Jul 04 22:44:55 not an array...an object Jul 04 22:45:44 then how do i pull the individual data out of it? name = x.name? Jul 04 22:46:16 viewsql = 'SELECT * FROM cardInfoTable WHERE card_id=' + getCardId + ';'; <--- returns the row with data i want Jul 04 22:47:25 results.rows.item(0) gives you an object Jul 04 22:47:38 right Jul 04 22:48:10 with key/value pairs tjat correspond to your table columns Jul 04 22:49:18 so, card_name = results.rows.item(0).card_name should do it Jul 04 22:50:05 yeah but it was giving me the same data each time. regardless of what row i selected Jul 04 22:50:19 try a Mojo.Log.info('result %j', results.rows.item(0)); Jul 04 22:50:26 kk Jul 04 22:50:56 or loop through results.rows.length Jul 04 22:59:21 ok i think i see what's wrong. the card id isn't coming over with a list tap Jul 04 23:14:23 man.. why does flash have to be so craptacular on my macbook.. i just wanna watch these presentations but after 5-8minutes it gets all choppy Jul 04 23:14:32 fully buffered too Jul 04 23:14:49 which presentations ? Jul 04 23:15:22 the palm devday ones, im a bit behind, never knew they were posted Jul 04 23:15:40 ahh, yeah - damned flash Jul 04 23:16:12