**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 07 02:59:56 2010 Jul 07 03:00:05 webOS-info: css Jul 07 03:00:05 css is, like, terrible Jul 07 03:00:14 there. that's better Jul 07 03:00:36 css is black magic Jul 07 03:00:45 webOS-info: css is also black magic Jul 07 03:00:45 okay, Tibfib. Jul 07 03:02:08 webos-info: forget css Jul 07 03:02:08 kesne: I forgot css Jul 07 03:02:31 nooooooo Jul 07 03:02:52 webOS-info: slap Jul 07 03:02:52 * webOS-info slaps the whipping boy Jul 07 03:04:04 nickometer ACarback Jul 07 03:04:13 Is there a good dashboard tutorial out there? Jul 07 03:04:17 :O Jul 07 03:04:20 Where is it? Jul 07 03:04:20 oh Jul 07 03:04:25 webos-info: nickometer ACarback Jul 07 03:04:25 'ACarback' is 14% lame, kesne Jul 07 03:04:27 webOS-info: webos101 Jul 07 03:04:27 somebody said webos101 was a community-driven wiki resource for webOS developers. http://www.webos101.com/ Jul 07 03:04:43 webOS-info: nickometer dkirker Jul 07 03:04:43 'dkirker' is 0% lame, dkirker Jul 07 03:04:48 webOS-info: nickometer Tibfib Jul 07 03:04:48 'Tibfib' is 0% lame, Tibfib Jul 07 03:04:51 \o/ Jul 07 03:04:58 * Tibfib high fives dkirker Jul 07 03:05:01 lol Jul 07 03:05:01 :D Jul 07 03:05:08 \o/\o/ Jul 07 03:05:19 guess that falls under multi-stage apps? Jul 07 03:05:21 webOS-info: nickometer kesne Jul 07 03:05:21 'kesne' is 0% lame, dkirker Jul 07 03:05:26 not bad Jul 07 03:05:30 sorry ACarback :( Jul 07 03:06:02 hemna: yep! Jul 07 03:06:08 heh ok thanks Jul 07 03:06:26 webOS-info: nickometer hemna Jul 07 03:06:26 'hemna' is 0% lame, hemna Jul 07 03:06:30 0%! Jul 07 03:06:39 hemna: I'm a dashboard pro Jul 07 03:07:00 hemna: let me rephrase, I'm a non-multi-stage dashboard pro Jul 07 03:07:11 heh Jul 07 03:07:24 can you have dashboards on a non-multi-stage app? Jul 07 03:07:40 I need to add a background task to my app that fetches data every 15 minutes....then updates the main app model and shows some crap in a dashboard Jul 07 03:07:41 Nope Jul 07 03:07:49 Tibfib: technically, it is a multistage app if there is a dashboard Jul 07 03:07:56 I have several stages already Jul 07 03:08:02 just no dashboard for the background updates Jul 07 03:08:05 kesne: ohh, I misread your post Jul 07 03:08:10 just add a loop Jul 07 03:08:24 Tibfib: I'm the only dev that's managed to make a non-multi-stage dashboard Jul 07 03:08:29 hemna: yeah i did that yesterday Jul 07 03:09:11 I was thinking of a setTimeout function to do the 15 minute interval fetches Jul 07 03:09:38 Or set interval Jul 07 03:09:44 not sure what the "proper" way to do the dashboard though Jul 07 03:11:29 hemna: use webos alarms Jul 07 03:11:40 hmm ok Jul 07 03:11:42 alarms = lame way to do everything Jul 07 03:11:44 that's new to me as well Jul 07 03:12:12 alarms = the best way Jul 07 03:13:10 http://webos101.com/Alarms Jul 07 03:13:26 *click* Jul 07 03:13:48 alarms = a cheap way Jul 07 03:14:09 People user alarms if they don't know how to program it themselves Jul 07 03:14:12 kesne, what is the "non cheap" way? Jul 07 03:14:19 Intervals! Jul 07 03:15:13 webOS-info: kesne Jul 07 03:15:13 Tibfib: what? Jul 07 03:15:43 errr, webOS-info: kesne Jul 07 03:16:00 it has to be first? Jul 07 03:16:01 kesne Jul 07 03:16:04 webOS-info: kesne? Jul 07 03:16:04 don't listen to kesne Jul 07 03:16:08 Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhh Jul 07 03:16:30 ?! Jul 07 03:16:36 * hemna is confused Jul 07 03:16:58 hemna: use alarms, they are easy, are saved on reboot and work well Jul 07 03:18:14 webos-info: kesne Jul 07 03:18:14 it has been said that kesne is god, and knows more about multi-stage applications than tibfib. Jul 07 03:18:21 Listen to webOS-info Jul 07 03:18:24 webOS-info: forget kesne Jul 07 03:18:24 Tibfib: I forgot kesne Jul 07 03:19:01 kesne: have you made a multi-stage app? Jul 07 03:19:05 Yessir Jul 07 03:19:09 what one? Jul 07 03:19:25 Isn't released Jul 07 03:22:49 mah new bot Jul 07 03:22:53 it be shiny Jul 07 03:23:53 it only knows two commands, but thats all it needs Jul 07 03:24:30 all it needs is this ash tray....and this chair....but that's all it needs.... Jul 07 03:24:37 and may/may not use the palm catalog feeds Jul 07 03:41:09 Lolol Jul 07 03:51:59 Ugh Jul 07 03:54:59 Anybody know how to set the focus of a textbox Jul 07 03:55:59 webOS-info: snippets Jul 07 03:55:59 snippets are found at http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets Jul 07 04:01:57 hmm Jul 07 04:02:03 so when .xxx comes out next year Jul 07 04:02:06 i'm going to buy xxx.xxx Jul 07 04:04:11 heh Jul 07 04:04:28 i won't do anything with it Jul 07 04:04:35 i just want a palindrome domain Jul 07 04:04:39 so anyone willing to trade a pre touchstone back for a pixi plus one? Jul 07 04:05:25 cause someone took moc.com and ten.net and gro.org Jul 07 04:05:38 yl.ly? Jul 07 04:05:44 ti.it? Jul 07 04:06:03 ofni.info? Jul 07 04:06:10 yea Jul 07 04:06:34 ofni.info isn't used Jul 07 04:07:14 moc.com expired Jul 07 04:07:40 ten.net is still being squatted on Jul 07 04:10:29 ugh education web servers suck Jul 07 04:11:23 specifically ap central Jul 07 04:11:46 sorry, that was random/off topic Jul 07 04:14:11 lol Jul 07 04:14:23 we've been discussing buying palindrome domain names Jul 07 04:14:28 you're more on topic than us Jul 07 04:14:37 heh Jul 07 04:14:55 moc.com? Jul 07 04:16:25 intersting Jul 07 04:16:28 I want one! Jul 07 04:16:29 +e Jul 07 04:16:43 moctod.com Jul 07 04:16:55 so far my list is Jul 07 04:16:57 moc.com, ten.net, gro.org, xxx.xxx, ude.edu, and oc.co.uk(and subdomain ku onto it) Jul 07 04:17:20 vog.gov is probably taken Jul 07 04:17:35 vt.tv Jul 07 04:17:38 em.me Jul 07 04:17:47 i want major ones Jul 07 04:17:54 all the country codes and stuff is too much Jul 07 04:17:56 mf.fm, zib.biz Jul 07 04:18:38 I want ku.oc.co.uk Jul 07 04:19:03 no, mine Jul 07 04:19:06 :P Jul 07 04:19:08 i thought of it Jul 07 04:19:09 :O Jul 07 04:20:19 bah, why would a site invite a few hundred thousand to log in at the same time and not be prepared for that Jul 07 04:20:33 frustrating Jul 07 04:21:09 bot shall be AWESOME Jul 07 04:21:28 oc.co.uk is up Jul 07 04:21:49 webOS-info: chuq Jul 07 04:21:49 * webOS-info hides the puppies Jul 07 04:21:50 I still am failing at finding a good db for it though Jul 07 04:21:56 I just need a simple key value Jul 07 04:22:12 cookie? Jul 07 04:22:41 for more than a thousand objects? not feasible Jul 07 04:23:37 heh, my battery is decreasing perfectly inversely to the temp Jul 07 04:23:58 must be an omen Jul 07 04:24:25 10 more either direction and I'm dead Jul 07 04:27:04 Hey guys, quick question, what must I do to allow the images inside my app to be set as wallpaper? I want a menu similar to the one that appears when you view photos in the included photo app Jul 07 04:27:19 any thoughts? Jul 07 04:27:59 :O Jul 07 04:29:10 why is noodb out of date for node.js… its exactly what I need Jul 07 04:36:37 poo Jul 07 04:36:41 have to use mysql Jul 07 04:37:06 is "if(empty(var)){ } " proper javascript syntax? Jul 07 04:45:51 I've never used empty() in Javascript. I'm not sure Jul 07 04:46:03 Wouldn't you do if (var == undefined) { Jul 07 04:46:08 or if (var) { Jul 07 04:46:09 ? Jul 07 04:46:37 found this instead and works "if(typeof(var)=="undefined"){}" Jul 07 04:47:47 elyon: yeah empty() is from php, so was not sure if it would work in js Jul 07 04:58:35 How do you put HTML in an alert dialog Jul 07 04:58:38 ? Jul 07 05:06:45 this is full of fail and modules right now. Not necessarily in that order. Jul 07 05:07:44 time to restart to get this working Jul 07 05:11:30 I'm going to sue someone Jul 07 05:11:34 lol Jul 07 05:11:39 what's your deal? Jul 07 05:12:12 Can't find a good working db connector for node.js Jul 07 05:15:21 I sort of feel the same way. "Jellyroids" won't compile. It's like ... what's the deal? Jul 07 05:15:23 :) Jul 07 05:17:54 I just learned that haXe has a compile target for C++. I am SO excited Jul 07 05:28:16 mn nhe;kher;k heran qerkhjherbjn'wrb Jul 07 05:28:19 * halfhalo died Jul 07 06:06:36 what would cause a list "swipe to delete" to just show "delete" but not "cancel"? Jul 07 06:07:18 nothing like posting your question to a Google group only to figure it out about 15 seconds later Jul 07 06:07:23 grr Jul 07 06:07:39 always fun Jul 07 06:14:03 found it.. my list wasn't wide enough to display the cancel button Jul 07 06:36:51 morning Jul 07 07:17:44 hi there Jul 07 07:23:06 hi warpdesign Jul 07 07:23:14 hi noaXess Jul 07 07:39:13 hi swisstomcat Jul 07 07:39:20 hey Jul 07 07:39:27 hows it going? Jul 07 07:40:53 good Jul 07 07:41:26 i'm just about ready to submit my app to the catalog Jul 07 07:41:32 cool Jul 07 07:41:37 now that the summer sale is almost over Jul 07 07:41:42 always a great moment Jul 07 07:42:22 indeed Jul 07 07:42:43 how did the beta go? Jul 07 07:43:04 the beta is called version 1.0 Jul 07 07:43:59 i've had it kicked around a bit and made some changes but i never put a beta out there Jul 07 07:46:31 i usually do .. to collect feedback Jul 07 07:49:44 i'm trying to figure out if getsatisfation.com is going to be any more usefull than just redirecting to a fb fan page Jul 07 07:49:51 what's the app? Jul 07 07:50:06 it's a diet tracking app Jul 07 07:50:21 ah right, I remember you talking about it previously Jul 07 07:50:39 yeah, i planned to be done with it like a week or two ago Jul 07 07:50:48 i keep tweaking it Jul 07 07:51:26 was almost ready to put it out yesterday but i found out someone already had the name i planned on using Jul 07 07:51:37 good thing about beta is that you can just push updates and be ready in 2 hours Jul 07 07:51:59 what beta? is it in the app catalog? Jul 07 07:52:50 or something like preware? Jul 07 07:54:10 in the app catalog Jul 07 07:54:29 you submit an app, but not to the catalog instead to beta Jul 07 07:54:44 hmm Jul 07 07:55:10 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.inorbit.tutsplus.beta Jul 07 07:55:12 one example Jul 07 07:55:43 cool, i used to get a lot of hits from tutsplus Jul 07 07:55:57 i made a little app Jul 07 07:56:18 is that one yours? Jul 07 07:56:28 yeah Jul 07 07:56:49 do you run the site also? Jul 07 07:57:38 no Jul 07 07:57:45 i'm not affiliated with tutsplus Jul 07 07:58:03 ahh damn, i was going to ask you to list my tutorials in bold at the top of each page Jul 07 07:58:23 heh Jul 07 07:58:33 my ad income is hitting a new low Jul 07 07:58:57 i was down to bi-monthly for payments... now i'm tri-monthly Jul 07 07:59:39 i used to get $800+/mo Jul 07 08:01:30 i was getting featured a lot back then... now it's a rat-race Jul 07 08:13:11 so what's new ? :) Jul 07 08:13:41 i've got some hardware for you Jul 07 08:18:01 hi warpdesign Jul 07 08:48:17 if you put an app in the catalog can you raise the price if demand goes up? Jul 07 08:49:50 sure Jul 07 08:50:00 awesome Jul 07 08:50:08 any experience with Metrix? Jul 07 08:50:17 not yet Jul 07 08:50:19 i have my own system Jul 07 08:50:35 oh nice Jul 07 08:54:16 Hello Jul 07 08:54:41 hi HotDP Jul 07 08:55:27 Some good news today? Jul 07 08:55:34 hi hotdp Jul 07 08:56:01 the only good news i have is that i'm almost ready to put my app out there Jul 07 08:56:26 Thats good:) Jul 07 08:56:39 Any good Palm News? hi swisstomcat Jul 07 08:57:04 didn't hear any yet Jul 07 08:57:27 wow, total (not unique) downloads of moo just went over 100k :) Jul 07 08:57:56 Gratz :) Jul 07 08:58:07 Have you seen any money yet? Jul 07 08:58:21 I got the 50$ fee back Jul 07 08:58:38 me too, just today Jul 07 08:59:16 100k is nice Jul 07 08:59:34 now if they would all just donate a dollar :) Jul 07 09:00:02 hehe thats the different between paid and free Jul 07 09:00:19 If they should donate you would not have 100k downloads Jul 07 09:00:26 right Jul 07 09:00:31 yeah Jul 07 09:01:34 wow, metrix is pretty easy to use.. got it right off the bat Jul 07 09:01:44 metrix? Jul 07 09:02:09 http://metrix.webosroundup.com Jul 07 09:02:32 i'm just using it for user stats but it's got some other features Jul 07 09:03:31 just copied about a dozen files over, added about 3 lines of code and done Jul 07 09:04:59 ah, the june sales report is in Jul 07 09:06:03 i should be over $100 now Jul 07 09:06:35 nice Jul 07 09:06:42 Yer i saw numbers yesterday Jul 07 09:06:55 i am over 100 buks but nothing on my account yet :S Jul 07 09:07:01 would like to get paid Jul 07 09:08:36 Metrix looks nice! Jul 07 09:08:53 sure does Jul 07 09:09:24 has some features for trial runs also Jul 07 09:09:33 so you can expire after the trail period Jul 07 09:09:47 trial Jul 07 09:10:18 tnemom cixelsid Jul 07 09:10:20 i don't understand? Jul 07 09:10:23 yeah, that's a good idea Jul 07 09:10:50 put a 30 day trial of your pay app out there Jul 07 09:11:08 gets people used to it so they want to pay when the trial is over Jul 07 09:11:34 Finally updated my blog: http://blog.openmobl.com/2010/07/movox-sipper-webos-voip-update.html Jul 07 09:12:33 i like the new name Jul 07 09:13:03 It was a stroke of genius, and surprisingly did not appear to be in use. :D Jul 07 09:13:12 i hear ya there Jul 07 09:13:27 the name i've been developing my app under was suprisingly taken Jul 07 09:13:33 had to come up with a new name Jul 07 09:14:59 ugh, now to see if my student loan payment posted so that it is not 1 day late... :| Jul 07 09:15:22 bills suck Jul 07 09:15:52 no kidding. Jul 07 09:17:43 I tried to make the payment at 2am yesterday, was told to make the payment at least 1 day before due, but could not schedule the payment for the same day (so sched payment by the 6th, which I wanted to do). So I had to schedule the payment on the due date. :( Jul 07 09:17:56 SWEET! Jul 07 09:18:12 pending :/ Jul 07 09:18:45 my credit is so bad that nothing could sink it lower Jul 07 09:18:49 i think it's negative Jul 07 09:19:19 I have no credit, really. Can't get a cc... Jul 07 09:19:32 Basically, I need to pay off more loans, or get a cc to get a cc... Jul 07 09:19:45 yeah, it's hard to get that initial credit without a co-signer Jul 07 09:20:04 you can get one of those store credit cards Jul 07 09:20:08 some of them report Jul 07 09:20:18 like jc penny's or whatever Jul 07 09:21:14 alright, bed time. Work in 6 hours. Jul 07 09:21:17 good night! Jul 07 09:21:23 later dkirker Jul 07 09:21:35 möVox? Jul 07 09:21:39 night Jul 07 09:21:47 yup, that's the new name :) Jul 07 09:22:02 hmm, i'd like to use the bulletin board on metrix but i don't have the page to edit the BB message so i can see if it works Jul 07 09:22:35 oh well, maybe that can come with v1.0.1 Jul 07 09:23:43 should i kill all my logging before i publish or just leave it? Jul 07 09:23:49 brb Jul 07 09:27:50 bbl Jul 07 09:28:04 EmmettLollis, i kill me log, because of visibilty of the code later and i have and maybe performance? Jul 07 09:35:48 i was just wondering, i didn't know if it was saved somewhere to retrieve in case of user issues Jul 07 09:38:48 not what i know of Jul 07 09:40:42 cool... glad i made my own logging routine, just have to comment out 2 lines Jul 07 09:41:16 sweet 2,023 lines of code not counting the auto-generated stuff Jul 07 09:42:04 in on file? :) Jul 07 09:42:13 i had 1800 i one file :S not good.. Jul 07 09:50:34 i've got over 1000 lines in my sql js Jul 07 09:51:28 my assistants are under 200 lines ea... some under 50 Jul 07 09:52:28 i could probably kill 500 or so lines of code by getting rid of duplicate stuff but i'm tired of breaking my app Jul 07 09:53:17 now what i need is a giant button that comes up on startup that says "share this app" Jul 07 09:53:27 or better... to continue, share Jul 07 09:54:48 so are there review sites i can submit to? Jul 07 10:00:14 review? Like precentral? Jul 07 10:00:47 guess that would be a good place Jul 07 10:26:04 rehi Jul 07 10:26:19 hi Jul 07 10:26:50 EmmettLollis, you have to do something speciel to get reviewed there Jul 07 10:27:27 like a fart app? Jul 07 10:27:47 lol jk Jul 07 10:33:01 No Jul 07 10:33:08 something speciel for precentral Jul 07 10:33:19 i have read it a back ago. Help with stuff Jul 07 10:36:19 cool Jul 07 10:37:03 so like contributing to the community or something Jul 07 10:38:25 is there a place for royalty free music to be used in a demo video? Jul 07 10:54:18 correct Jul 07 11:04:26 time to make my demo video Jul 07 11:23:32 wow, i think i'm ready to submit my app now... i must be missing something Jul 07 11:24:34 hehe Jul 07 11:24:40 have you tested it alot Jul 07 11:24:41 ? Jul 07 11:25:26 do you want to have it tested? Jul 07 11:27:47 i've done a lot of testing on it so far.. i've had a couple of users test it also Jul 07 11:28:14 but i'm sure i'll find plenty of bugs when joe user gets it :/ Jul 07 11:28:32 i use betas for that Jul 07 11:28:57 got almost 1000 downloads for tuts+ beta Jul 07 11:30:07 I had to pull the break once when i saw a bug just when i have submitted it. It was hell.. Jul 07 11:30:38 yeah, i had that too :( Jul 07 11:34:16 theres some decent music on royaltyfreemusic.com Jul 07 11:35:03 expensive though Jul 07 11:36:44 compose your own ;) Jul 07 11:37:15 i would have to invest in some strings Jul 07 11:37:29 random composer :P Jul 07 11:37:56 swisstomcat: 38 German sales vs 472 US in June Jul 07 11:38:08 not bad Jul 07 11:38:23 i got 2 sales in france and 2 in germany Jul 07 11:38:24 1 Mexico, 9 Canada Jul 07 11:38:42 17 UK, 3 France Jul 07 11:39:32 38 users and no translation complaint :) Jul 07 11:39:47 :) Jul 07 11:40:15 how do you translate an app? Jul 07 11:40:19 * haeffb needs to put together a sales reporting spreadsheet Jul 07 11:40:28 I send it to swisstomcat Jul 07 11:41:03 you need to use $L('My String') for every string in your app. Jul 07 11:41:16 then create a strings.json file for each language Jul 07 11:41:21 really? thats all? Jul 07 11:41:25 oh Jul 07 11:41:53 with "My English String": "My Other Language String" Jul 07 11:42:25 and if you hardcode any strings in .html, you have to create a new .html for each language Jul 07 11:42:32 i have 1 from Ireland :) Jul 07 11:43:17 hmm, might be worth it Jul 07 11:43:37 except i abbreviate some words for space Jul 07 11:43:42 might be hard to translate those Jul 07 11:43:47 yeah, you have to do that too Jul 07 11:43:48 yep Jul 07 11:44:16 i'll go with the "send it to swisstomcat" option Jul 07 11:44:19 http://www.thinmachine.ch/en/service.html Jul 07 11:44:28 my experience thus far is there aren't enough (xxx language) users to make it worthwhile. Jul 07 11:45:19 will be interesting to see if the next devices will have a more international reach with HP's backing Jul 07 11:45:35 i can sell apps but not buy them for example Jul 07 11:45:43 for instance, my German sales are 10% of my US sales. Figure some of those would still use the app in English Jul 07 11:46:13 so would I be better off spending time improving the app versus spending time translating? Jul 07 11:46:18 would be interesting to ask those users Jul 07 11:46:33 do you have user registration? Jul 07 11:46:45 I have one German user who wants me to add an option to change the language BACK to English Jul 07 11:46:59 i think i'll go ahead and stick with english on my app for now Jul 07 11:47:02 tired of breaking it Jul 07 11:47:02 depending on the app you might be able to reach more users with a localized version Jul 07 11:47:06 done is problably one of them Jul 07 11:47:22 translation won't break it Jul 07 11:47:35 what's your app again? Jul 07 11:47:44 diet tracking Jul 07 11:47:46 its a diet tracking ap Jul 07 11:47:58 how would you translate the food db? Jul 07 11:48:16 good point Jul 07 11:48:22 not much use to use english foods in europe tho Jul 07 11:48:23 just replace everything with the word food Jul 07 11:48:24 for most users Jul 07 11:48:36 food 2grams Jul 07 11:48:39 food 3 grams Jul 07 11:48:41 yup Jul 07 11:48:43 food 4grams Jul 07 11:48:48 that works :) Jul 07 11:48:49 food 2 servings Jul 07 11:49:12 food 2 servings, didn't eat everything Jul 07 11:49:32 if you have a localized food database you definitly reach more people Jul 07 11:49:34 version 1.0 doesn't have a food db built in but i'm thinking it will be the first upgraded release Jul 07 11:50:07 i have the db downloaded... just a pain to stick it in the app right now Jul 07 11:50:38 use an online db? Jul 07 11:51:14 the federal one i have doesn't have a query i can use from what i can tell Jul 07 11:51:19 they just hand out the db Jul 07 11:51:36 host it on your server? Jul 07 11:51:45 that i could probably do Jul 07 11:51:47 haeffb, i will agree with you! after i have made translated versions i have not sold more Jul 07 11:52:01 cache the most used content locally Jul 07 11:52:21 I will prepare it for translations but not make em before webos 2.0 or better distrubutions Jul 07 11:52:53 it depends on the app i think Jul 07 11:53:13 * haeffb off to work...later Jul 07 11:53:15 guess i should get started submitting my app Jul 07 11:53:19 later haeffb Jul 07 11:53:29 go4it Jul 07 11:53:40 i shall! Jul 07 11:55:53 eh, how do i know the minimum required webOS version? Jul 07 11:57:52 depends what you use in your app e.g audio Jul 07 11:58:02 no audio Jul 07 11:58:08 and most users should be on 1.4.0 by now Jul 07 11:58:21 true Jul 07 11:58:27 not sure about telcel Jul 07 11:58:39 everyone should be on 1.3.5 Jul 07 11:59:32 i dont think i use anything special in my app Jul 07 11:59:46 just lists, textfields and integer pickers Jul 07 12:00:33 that should work in any version Jul 07 12:00:47 hi everyone Jul 07 12:00:50 since everyone should be on 1.3.5 at least, you could use that Jul 07 12:00:54 hi giotto Jul 07 12:01:02 cool Jul 07 12:02:04 I'd have an interesting question :) Bought a Palm Pre in the US, now I'm in Europe and want to update the software to 1.4.x from 1.3.1 . How can I do that? The update doesn't show up in the update list Jul 07 12:02:31 eh, company name? just my name? Jul 07 12:02:44 if you don't have a company, yes Jul 07 12:03:03 cool Jul 07 12:03:10 giotto: at&t? Jul 07 12:03:39 swisstomcat: sprint Jul 07 12:04:00 how would a sprint device work in europe? Jul 07 12:04:06 guess this whole update thing is tied to the carrier Jul 07 12:04:21 probably not very well Jul 07 12:04:32 no it doesn't work :) It's a testing device for app development. We bought it in the US, but now I'm back to the EU Jul 07 12:04:51 wow, only 2,000 characters for a description Jul 07 12:05:10 giotto: i would use the webosdoctor then Jul 07 12:05:24 or even the webos internals metadoctor to bypass activation Jul 07 12:05:34 yeah, meta-doctor Jul 07 12:05:48 i'm using a verizon pre plus as a dev device here in europe Jul 07 12:06:52 I guess it was activated, it just couldn't connect to the carrier network here in the EU Jul 07 12:07:03 thanks for the tip for the webos doctor, checking it out now! Jul 07 12:07:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jul 07 12:07:44 http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webos-internals.org%2Fwiki%2FWebos_Doctor_Versions&ei=CW40TNjBPIXgOMLn7M0I&usg=AFQjCNE1Xrv9uTzlZczj-DvvsnxKwf2mXA Jul 07 12:07:48 whoops Jul 07 12:08:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Jul 07 12:08:06 use that link Jul 07 12:08:33 thanks! Jul 07 12:11:00 egaudet, around ? Jul 07 12:16:11 damn it's early Jul 07 12:16:12 ughhhh Jul 07 12:19:50 * swisstomcat glances at watch ... 2:20pm Jul 07 12:20:52 :) Jul 07 12:36:56 hmm, what youtube category would a smartphone app demo be under? Jul 07 12:37:28 see what others have? Jul 07 12:38:50 looking, can't find the catagory Jul 07 12:39:32 youtubhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmHm4oP8vg0 Jul 07 12:40:06 Category:GamingTags:paratroopers webos palm pre pixi Jul 07 12:40:28 my pre updated to 1.4.5 and now the majority of patches doesn't work anymore Jul 07 12:40:33 is that expected behaviour ? Jul 07 12:40:49 i'd ask in #webos-internals Jul 07 12:42:52 odd.. category doesn't show up when i view the vids Jul 07 12:43:27 i guess it would be a "how to" Jul 07 12:43:55 or sci/tech Jul 07 12:44:42 Gaming Jul 07 12:44:49 that's what i saw Jul 07 12:45:13 you have to select the two arrows to see the category (near the description) Jul 07 12:47:11 ahh Jul 07 12:53:38 1.4.5.1 yet? Jul 07 12:54:31 not yet apparently Jul 07 12:56:09 weak Jul 07 12:57:14 patience :) Jul 07 13:01:28 no Jul 07 13:03:55 good things come to the ones that wait Jul 07 13:04:17 no Jul 07 13:04:28 :P Jul 07 13:05:30 my app is submitted :D Jul 07 13:05:42 what app? Jul 07 13:05:46 yay Jul 07 13:05:50 congrats Jul 07 13:06:01 it sure seems like it took longer to fill out the online paperwork than it took to make the thing Jul 07 13:06:16 Slimphoria Tracker... diet tracking app Jul 07 13:06:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1OpT5A5AL4 - demo Jul 07 13:07:32 checking out the video Jul 07 13:07:36 sweet Jul 07 13:07:52 paid app? Jul 07 13:07:58 yes Jul 07 13:09:19 for the low low price of 50 cents during the summer promo Jul 07 13:09:20 looking good Jul 07 13:09:28 thanks Jul 07 13:10:30 * EmmettLollis awaits the rejection email Jul 07 13:14:10 Do any one know a app that got rejected? Jul 07 13:14:24 mine will be the first Jul 07 13:15:03 EmmettLollis, i am looking at the demo Jul 07 13:15:09 What is the weight? Jul 07 13:15:11 kg? Jul 07 13:15:26 whatever measurement you want Jul 07 13:15:33 doesn't make a difference to the app Jul 07 13:16:02 I don't understand Jul 07 13:16:15 so i can type 20000 because it is gram Jul 07 13:16:17 ? Jul 07 13:16:22 sure Jul 07 13:16:27 ok Jul 07 13:16:47 gl :) Jul 07 13:16:53 might make for some funky looking reports though Jul 07 13:17:01 thanks Jul 07 13:27:41 wow, facebook is down for me Jul 07 13:28:31 ok its back Jul 07 13:28:34 bbl Jul 07 13:29:37 facebook? Jul 07 13:31:20 it's a social networking site Jul 07 13:32:37 a social network? like a lan? Jul 07 13:33:03 sort of. but different Jul 07 13:33:45 interesting Jul 07 14:10:36 and then firefox4 crashed :) Jul 07 14:12:44 morning Jul 07 14:12:52 morning hattczech Jul 07 14:19:21 i'm going to sleep now.. when i wake up i expect to see thousands of dollars from palm Jul 07 14:19:33 is the pre plus 600mhz? Jul 07 14:20:03 not sure Jul 07 14:31:50 bbl Jul 07 14:40:18 webOS-info: bigbiff Jul 07 14:40:18 McFly! Jul 07 14:40:30 yo sugardave! Jul 07 14:40:34 hihi Jul 07 14:40:40 hello Jul 07 14:48:03 * sugardave nails the generic Ajax request with OAuth. "Momentum is shifting." Jul 07 14:49:55 ooo, maybe my morning meeting has been canceled Jul 07 14:50:14 * sugardave crosses his fingers. Jul 07 14:52:18 * EmmettLollis wonders if 22hrs is too long to be awake Jul 07 14:52:45 yes Jul 07 14:52:56 thanks Jul 07 14:53:07 I aim to please Jul 07 14:53:14 i submitted my app Jul 07 14:53:22 the carb counter? Jul 07 14:53:26 yes Jul 07 14:53:35 how much are you charging for it? Jul 07 14:53:47 dollar Jul 07 14:53:56 for now Jul 07 14:54:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1OpT5A5AL4 demo Jul 07 14:54:16 cool, I might grab it for my wife, she's been low-carb dieting for a bit to try and get away from pre-diabetes Jul 07 14:54:33 it works Jul 07 14:54:49 i about died when my diabetes set in Jul 07 14:55:01 still took me a year to quit the mt dew Jul 07 14:55:05 hmm is there any1 who actualy got this virtual keyboard working ? Jul 07 14:55:26 virtual keyboard? Jul 07 14:55:50 my mom lost a leg and still wont change her diet Jul 07 14:55:53 SimpsonTP: I tried it way back, didn't like it too much Jul 07 14:56:02 EmmettLollis: that's like my mother-in-law Jul 07 14:56:06 hmm okay Jul 07 14:56:09 and ubercalendar ? Jul 07 14:56:28 since 1.4.5 it fails :( Jul 07 14:56:31 she's about had a heart attack, she's diabetic, she bitches about all the medication....but damn, she won't listen to a word Jul 07 14:56:50 * sugardave is on 1.4.1.1 Jul 07 14:56:52 still Jul 07 14:56:59 * sugardave shakes his tiny fists. Jul 07 14:57:27 why are they so slow to update to 1.4.5? Jul 07 14:57:34 A Jul 07 14:57:35 T Jul 07 14:57:36 & Jul 07 14:57:36 T Jul 07 14:57:52 primadonnas Jul 07 14:58:07 i dont get it Jul 07 14:58:42 something about wanting to be "special" with the 1.4.3 "exclusivity" while they "test to make sure" 1.4.5 is good enough for their precious network? Jul 07 14:58:45 who knows Jul 07 14:58:53 I blame them Jul 07 14:59:06 i'm on sprint Jul 07 14:59:38 yeah, me, too....but we're supposed to be getting releases at about the same time, so when one carrier drags its ass, we all suffer Jul 07 14:59:41 I guess Jul 07 14:59:54 ahh Jul 07 15:00:30 so att doesn't want to take clout away from the iphone by upgrading the palms Jul 07 15:00:42 that's what I think Jul 07 15:00:49 makes sense Jul 07 15:01:01 but isn't iphone about to be/already on another provider? Jul 07 15:01:20 yeah, i think its supposed to be verizon Jul 07 15:01:27 dun dun dun Jul 07 15:01:37 I smell fear at AT&T Jul 07 15:01:48 and sprint's ceo isn't backing palm at all Jul 07 15:01:56 bastard Jul 07 15:02:07 in fact he's been dissing it Jul 07 15:02:17 somebody needs to shut that guy up Jul 07 15:02:26 yeah they do Jul 07 15:02:32 palm should sue him Jul 07 15:02:33 I'm looking at you, HP! Jul 07 15:03:01 a CEO should NEVER badmouth a product on their service Jul 07 15:03:12 no, they shouldn't Jul 07 15:04:45 ok, going to attempt this sleep thing again Jul 07 15:04:57 good luck Jul 07 15:05:04 you guys should elect me as CEO of Sprint... Jul 07 15:05:14 when i wake up i will find a million dollars from palm in my paypal Jul 07 15:05:15 * sugardave elects haeffb_pre. Jul 07 15:05:17 ...I'll take car Jul 07 15:05:22 e of you Jul 07 15:05:34 * EmmettLollis votes haeffb_pre Jul 07 15:05:36 EmmettLollis: 60-day net, sorry Jul 07 15:06:06 woohoo! I win! 1 vote to 0 zero votes Jul 07 15:06:16 so assuming i make over $100 in july i wont get paid till sept? Jul 07 15:06:17 hehe Jul 07 15:06:27 EmmettLollis: something like that Jul 07 15:06:43 he's been awake a long time....think Rip Van Winkle Jul 07 15:06:44 thats worse than adsense Jul 07 15:06:59 they paid early in the beginning, but I haven't made over $100/month in a while Jul 07 15:07:05 so not sure what it's like now Jul 07 15:07:27 may receipts paid in late june Jul 07 15:07:40 that's not too bad Jul 07 15:07:40 ok, that sounds more like adsense Jul 07 15:08:03 june reports were released like yesterday Jul 07 15:08:16 expect payment late july Jul 07 15:08:28 I made $3 on Yule Log in June Jul 07 15:08:30 amazing Jul 07 15:08:34 woo! Jul 07 15:08:35 wow Jul 07 15:08:58 wait, is that a christmas app? Jul 07 15:09:05 sure Jul 07 15:09:14 you need to release a whole series of log apps... Jul 07 15:09:26 new year log Jul 07 15:09:26 saw a log Jul 07 15:09:31 easter log Jul 07 15:09:42 MLK day log Jul 07 15:09:42 haeffb_pre: good idea, but I'm seriously going to blow everyone's mind with the Yule Log update Jul 07 15:09:52 prepare to be amazed Jul 07 15:10:20 never a day goes by without I'm amazed about something Jul 07 15:12:32 i just realized.. my app logo could be taken to resemble a pair of breasts Jul 07 15:13:15 or it could be that i've been up 22 hours Jul 07 15:20:34 EmmettLollis: don't worry, more people will download it if it looks like boobs Jul 07 15:20:44 that seems to be the trend Jul 07 15:21:18 webOS-info: bananas Jul 07 15:21:18 * webOS-info goes bananas on sugardave Jul 07 15:21:37 webOS-info: chewbacca Jul 07 15:21:37 hemna: sorry... Jul 07 15:21:41 dang Jul 07 15:22:22 webOS-info: chewbacca Jul 07 15:22:22 Wookies do NOT live on Endor! Jul 07 15:23:19 yay! update made it through Jul 07 15:23:34 chaching Jul 07 15:23:43 * HattCzech_work taps fingers Jul 07 15:23:45 excellent Jul 07 15:23:56 :P Jul 07 15:24:32 i'm just glad they didn't block it for my export feature :) Jul 07 15:24:42 shhh Jul 07 15:24:55 has anyone had problems getting eclipse to update the webos sdk plugin to 1.4.5? Jul 07 15:25:16 appamajig: no, but I'm running the 2nd-to-last beta version Jul 07 15:25:54 hmmm... maybe i should upgrade my eclipse and see if that helps Jul 07 15:27:10 it seems weird that in eclipse when I try to install Palm WebOS SDK from inside eclipse that it only shows the 1.4.1 ver... shouldn't it show the 1.4.5 version on a clean install of the plugin? Jul 07 15:27:31 it should have upgraded the already installed one Jul 07 15:27:44 if you did 'update software' or whatever it is called Jul 07 15:28:00 I'm still learning some eclipse Jul 07 15:29:16 right, but it failed... the first time it popped up I almost did it, but decided to cancel because didn't want to restart eclipse. Then when I tried to do it later it wasn't there... I started eclipse with the -clean parameter and it popped up to install again and failed on some dependency or something like that... Jul 07 15:29:33 so I've tried uninstalling, reinstalling the plugin a couple of times... all that jazz... no luck so far Jul 07 15:30:05 thing is, I'm developing a non-pdk app, so I wonder if I even need to worry about it much Jul 07 15:32:08 hmmm, my app update doesn't want to install :/ Jul 07 15:34:00 pandora--: you around? Jul 07 15:35:53 hi Jul 07 15:37:16 hi MetaView Jul 07 15:37:23 you are the ubercalendar guy right ? Jul 07 15:37:53 ubercalendar is great Jul 07 15:38:08 if it works...... Jul 07 15:38:30 I can't believe I didn't install it and haefb's agenda until a few days ago Jul 07 15:38:42 +f Jul 07 15:39:03 you can't get it to work? Jul 07 15:39:14 it stopped working after 1.4.5 update Jul 07 15:39:34 * BigBiff wouldn't know about update :( Jul 07 15:40:01 yes Jul 07 15:40:11 any known issues with 1.4.5 ? Jul 07 15:40:21 ( palmos version 1.4.5 that is ) Jul 07 15:40:25 the patch file from the precentral thread? Jul 07 15:40:35 uhm ? Jul 07 15:40:35 no, the patch is still compatible Jul 07 15:40:56 so I need a patch to make it work ? Jul 07 15:41:11 UC is also part of AUPT -> after a OS update there are empty patches in preware until the compatibility is proofed Jul 07 15:41:19 UC is a patch Jul 07 15:41:25 ah okay Jul 07 15:41:54 the patch file from precentral thread is also much better and more current Jul 07 15:42:05 more features, more options Jul 07 15:42:08 you have a link ? Jul 07 15:42:28 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/245177-ubercalendar-enhanced-calendar-patch.html Jul 07 15:44:44 does the new update mean better apps or does it all have to do with gaming? Jul 07 15:45:01 I don't understand why palm is focusing so much on gaming Jul 07 15:45:18 apps don't typically come with OS updates, they are decoupled from that Jul 07 15:45:44 MetaView, is there a howto to install as well ? Jul 07 15:46:05 MetaView: you don't update it in the git repo Jul 07 15:46:05 ? Jul 07 15:46:30 they are having some kind of pdk competition. I assume that's just games Jul 07 15:47:09 you assume wrong, a PDK app is just one that's not written in JavaScript Jul 07 15:47:14 it could be anything Jul 07 15:47:18 rolsworth: doesn't have to be games, but that's the primary use Jul 07 15:47:39 well, not primary use, just most common use Jul 07 15:47:57 ja Jul 07 15:48:08 and better opengl boob jiggle apps Jul 07 15:48:12 naturally Jul 07 15:48:16 freaking awesome Jul 07 15:48:17 SimpsonTP: you need WebOSQuickinstall and then you just install it :) Jul 07 15:48:35 HattCzech_work: don't know where to do it there... Jul 07 15:48:37 ah crap didn't bring a cable to work ;) Jul 07 15:48:42 howdidodi Jul 07 15:49:06 MetaView: it's okay, neither do i :) Jul 07 15:49:23 isn't the competition all about games? Jul 07 15:49:24 i tried before and had some issues with git, so i gave up for a while :) Jul 07 15:49:28 rolsworth: nope Jul 07 15:49:38 it's all about who has the most downloads Jul 07 15:49:39 the pre needs some better apps. Jul 07 15:49:47 so make some Jul 07 15:49:49 I am sure that's what I read Jul 07 15:49:59 I can't Jul 07 15:50:03 which apps Jul 07 15:50:16 needs im apps Jul 07 15:50:16 you're typing right now... that's the basis for programming Jul 07 15:50:38 irc cliens Jul 07 15:50:46 document editor Jul 07 15:50:47 it has those Jul 07 15:50:49 I'm apps with free boobs Jul 07 15:50:49 damn noprocrast Jul 07 15:50:51 ! Jul 07 15:51:00 rolsworth: the competition is about _PDK apps_ NOT just games Jul 07 15:51:04 I know about wirc. I am using it now afterall Jul 07 15:51:12 rolsworth: check out preware and what's available through homebrew Jul 07 15:51:23 oh, okay Jul 07 15:51:33 that's just one app and there is one I'm app that is terrible Jul 07 15:51:44 boobs, you we need more boobs Jul 07 15:51:54 is there an app for this? Jul 07 15:51:55 how many IM apps does one really need? Jul 07 15:52:15 just one if it has boobs Jul 07 15:52:21 I wonder if palm already has these pdk apps and just waiting for the update to release them Jul 07 15:52:23 BoobIm Jul 07 15:52:24 and a tip calc included Jul 07 15:52:44 stripper tip calculator Jul 07 15:52:48 have you used im+ ? piece of crap software Jul 07 15:52:51 next super app Jul 07 15:52:56 rolsworth: no, I don't IM Jul 07 15:53:01 BigBiff: lol Jul 07 15:53:10 well many people do Jul 07 15:53:13 so to me, IM apps are just as much a waste as games are to you Jul 07 15:53:16 and many peo-ple game Jul 07 15:53:20 rolsworth: IM apps is somthing which wasn't possible before 1.4.5 Jul 07 15:53:32 you need sockets for IM apps Jul 07 15:53:48 I was using android the other day and there were tons of really good Im apps with most free Jul 07 15:54:06 webOS-info: bananas Jul 07 15:54:06 * webOS-info goes bananas on sugardave Jul 07 15:54:14 * MetaView writes down the next project: an iCal importer... Jul 07 15:54:21 why do you say they were not possible? Jul 07 15:54:32 there is one in the catalog. Jul 07 15:54:33 you need sockets Jul 07 15:54:42 this one is using a webservice Jul 07 15:54:46 rolsworth: and by your own admission it sucks Jul 07 15:54:47 which kinda sucks Jul 07 15:54:51 so.... Jul 07 15:54:52 yeah Jul 07 15:55:03 webOS-info: boobs Jul 07 15:55:03 BigBiff: what? Jul 07 15:55:13 webOS-info: pie Jul 07 15:55:13 * webOS-info sings she's my cherry pie! Jul 07 15:55:14 webOS-info: give me boobs` Jul 07 15:55:14 MetaView: excuse me? Jul 07 15:56:16 rolsworth: the other option for you if there is no IM app that passes your quality standards is to write your own Jul 07 16:14:31 maybe one day a quality im app will be released. not sure if I'll still be using the pre though Jul 07 16:14:43 eligible for an upgrade Jul 07 16:14:57 write one, get rich Jul 07 16:15:05 buy an iPhone Jul 07 16:15:08 or an Android Jul 07 16:15:12 or a Blackberry Jul 07 16:18:05 PalmOS had IM+, which isn't bad at all Jul 07 16:18:25 i have IM+ on my iPad Jul 07 16:18:35 the backgrounds on it are retarded Jul 07 16:18:36 * MetaView goes and tries IM+ light on its Pre Jul 07 16:18:42 but other than that, its good Jul 07 16:18:45 the backgrounds? Jul 07 16:18:52 yeah behind the convo Jul 07 16:18:58 it has a water-bubble background Jul 07 16:19:01 that i can't change Jul 07 16:19:09 skype messenger for pre someday :( Jul 07 16:19:11 and the contrast of the text on it, makes it difficult to read Jul 07 16:19:17 it's like the only one I use Jul 07 16:20:46 it is bad. you need to keep the app open for it to work and the interface is ugly and beyond barebone Jul 07 16:22:01 what? Jul 07 16:31:28 you have to keep the card open for it to work. it cannot run in the background. the interface is also terrible and sometimes it does not work at all. look at the reviews Jul 07 16:33:16 IM+ light? Jul 07 16:33:29 I have no problem to let the card open Jul 07 16:33:48 it's a light version and free like beer, no complaints so far Jul 07 16:34:01 what free version? Jul 07 16:34:19 there is no free version. what are you talking about Jul 07 16:34:35 IM+ light for WebOS? Is free Jul 07 16:35:00 they sold it for 10 bucks then dropped it to 99 cents. Jul 07 16:35:02 now I see it for 2.00 Jul 07 16:35:12 not the light version, at least in Germany Jul 07 16:35:36 then that is something new. Jul 07 16:36:22 light or paid the app is terribe. barely has 2 stars Jul 07 16:38:06 no free version here Jul 07 16:45:46 :O Jul 07 16:46:25 IM+ light isn't available in US... Jul 07 16:48:20 i am determined to have my PDK app ready for this contest Jul 07 16:48:31 and i barely started it yesterday Jul 07 16:51:47 codeslaw: What does it do? Jul 07 16:51:57 I was gonna make a PDK Tip Calculator Jul 07 16:52:31 music step sequencer Jul 07 16:52:54 sahweet Jul 07 16:53:10 IF i can get it done in time ={ Jul 07 16:53:23 of course, i could release it a week or two later and still have ample time Jul 07 16:54:17 brb lunch Jul 07 16:56:10 wanna something funny Jul 07 16:56:22 i got flash on my iPad before my Palm Pre Jul 07 16:56:27 never thought i'd see the day Jul 07 17:00:47 LOL Jul 07 17:00:49 er Jul 07 17:00:50 lol Jul 07 17:00:55 er Jul 07 17:00:56 eheh. Jul 07 17:01:59 hrm? Jul 07 17:04:59 yeah I was going for 'lol' but had caps on Jul 07 17:05:52 1.4.5.1 rumored for today... maybe later today? Jul 07 17:05:54 * pandora-- hopes Jul 07 17:06:46 on sprint? Jul 07 17:06:47 :D? Jul 07 17:06:52 yeah sprint Jul 07 17:07:58 bah Jul 07 17:09:05 :O Jul 07 17:09:16 pie Jul 07 17:09:36 pie?!? Where?! Jul 07 17:09:56 there Jul 07 17:10:24 * torchie Updates Jul 07 17:10:26 oh, bot now parses ze rss feeds correctly into js objects automagically Jul 07 17:10:28 * torchie refresh refresh refresh refresh Jul 07 17:20:22 the bot knows app and dev as it's commands, and gives you info about an app or a dev Jul 07 17:21:21 halfhalo_pre: example? Jul 07 17:21:43 none on me Jul 07 17:22:12 but the command would be -app "your app name" Jul 07 17:22:31 and it would give you info from the palm rss feeds Jul 07 17:22:45 and a download link Jul 07 17:24:47 cool Jul 07 17:25:18 direct message or just mention the bot? Jul 07 17:25:50 just say it in a normal message Jul 07 17:26:02 there will be a prefix it looks for Jul 07 17:26:09 okay Jul 07 17:26:38 * torchie refresh refresh Jul 07 17:26:58 torchie: let me know when the update hits (if it does) :) Jul 07 17:27:07 I hope it does Jul 07 17:27:09 that way i don't have to refresh as often Jul 07 17:27:11 I'd be so sad if not :( Jul 07 17:27:16 yeah, me too Jul 07 17:27:41 sprint = tonights the night? Jul 07 17:27:51 July 7 Jul 07 17:27:59 thats tonight for me Jul 07 17:28:05 "tonight?" Jul 07 17:28:14 well they always roll out their updates at night Jul 07 17:28:18 oh word? Jul 07 17:28:19 6-10pm Jul 07 17:28:27 yeah that makes sense Jul 07 17:28:36 * torchie paces about the room Jul 07 17:29:02 :O Jul 07 17:29:47 anyword when verizon gets it? Jul 07 17:29:57 or are they the ones fixing a bug (gps i bet) Jul 07 17:30:13 i dr'd in prep for it ha ha Jul 07 17:34:13 webos-info: kesne Jul 07 17:34:13 * webOS-info hides Jul 07 17:34:46 ah still needs a db system for my bot though Jul 07 17:35:07 webos-info: kesne Jul 07 17:35:07 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness. Jul 07 17:35:12 That's better Jul 07 17:35:51 lies Jul 07 17:36:52 webos-info: chuq Jul 07 17:36:52 * webOS-info hides the puppies Jul 07 17:36:56 Hehe Jul 07 17:37:40 waka waka Jul 07 17:42:29 webOS-info: -app com.hattczech.txtgroup Jul 07 17:42:29 HattCzech_work: sorry... Jul 07 17:42:54 name, not id? Jul 07 17:43:05 webOS-info: -app TXT Group Jul 07 17:43:05 HattCzech_work: excuse me? Jul 07 17:43:23 webOS-info: app Notes Jul 07 17:43:23 Amaranth: huh? Jul 07 17:43:49 it's going to be a diffbot Jul 07 17:43:57 webos-info: -app com.hattczech.txtgroup Jul 07 17:43:57 -app com.hattczech.txtgroup is a terrible app, made by some strange man Jul 07 17:44:02 :O Jul 07 17:44:31 hahaahha, thanks kesne ;) Jul 07 17:44:44 halfhalo_pre: okay Jul 07 17:44:55 I love bots Jul 07 17:45:03 thank god I made my irc class generic though Jul 07 17:45:13 In a seemingly unrelated note, I hate PHP Jul 07 17:45:14 if you submit a pay app do they email you when the app is available in the catalog? Jul 07 17:45:29 EmmettLollis: I don't think so Jul 07 17:45:54 so just have to keep searching the app catalog on the phone till it shows up? Jul 07 17:46:04 php is fun! Jul 07 17:46:14 PHP is usefull Jul 07 17:46:16 I love it Jul 07 17:46:19 but I hate it Jul 07 17:46:27 just wait until the support emails start showing up Jul 07 17:46:31 I love it Jul 07 17:46:57 php is just incredibly easy for me Jul 07 17:47:12 but haven't used it in a while Jul 07 17:47:22 using node.js and rails for work and fun Jul 07 17:49:42 I use JS too much Jul 07 17:49:47 I use it for like, everything now Jul 07 17:50:08 I use it serverside! Jul 07 17:50:19 Heh Jul 07 17:50:32 I really like Coda Jul 07 17:51:17 I like coke Jul 07 17:51:20 /win Jul 07 17:52:03 coke as in the drug? Jul 07 17:52:08 lol Jul 07 17:52:24 coke as in drank Jul 07 17:52:28 Oh Jul 07 17:52:38 I was gonna back you up there, but I dislike the drink Jul 07 17:52:45 doesnt that make your mouth go numb? Jul 07 17:52:53 The drink? Jul 07 17:52:56 Or the drug? Jul 07 17:52:59 coda is the best Jul 07 17:53:09 dunivan: +1 Jul 07 17:53:11 i really wanna port it to webos Jul 07 17:53:16 both probably Jul 07 17:53:17 ? Jul 07 17:53:17 I use it everday for work Jul 07 17:53:24 Port it to webOS? Jul 07 17:53:34 an integrated html/ftp prog like coda for webos Jul 07 17:53:41 so I can make quick changes from my phon Jul 07 17:53:41 e Jul 07 17:53:52 A desktop mac application on webOS? I have a feeling that wouldn't work out Jul 07 17:54:04 oh, I made an app like that Jul 07 17:54:09 wirc is a desktop app Jul 07 17:54:13 slight issue with it though Jul 07 17:54:24 wirc isn't an HTML editor Jul 07 17:54:31 It's just a IRC chat client Jul 07 17:54:32 it wiped all files when you saved it Jul 07 17:54:39 well no, but os x is a unix build Jul 07 17:54:50 halfhalo_pre: That's the best Jul 07 17:55:02 stupid broken php middle layer Jul 07 17:55:04 What are we talking about? Jul 07 17:55:11 wirc a desktop app? Jul 07 17:55:31 whether one can port coda or a like os x app to webos Jul 07 17:55:33 i say yes Jul 07 17:55:46 dunivan: Of course somebody could Jul 07 17:55:49 but why? Jul 07 17:55:56 it might get one run though and tmc out Jul 07 17:55:56 It'd be a pain in the ass Jul 07 17:55:57 wirc is NOT a desktop app Jul 07 17:56:09 +1 Jul 07 17:56:15 To what that halfhalo dude said Jul 07 17:56:19 ohh i thought it was Jul 07 17:56:22 my b Jul 07 17:56:32 HA Jul 07 17:58:39 Ugh Jul 07 17:58:43 My dog is whining Jul 07 17:58:49 He's in the garage Jul 07 17:58:54 and he never shuts Jul 07 17:58:55 up Jul 07 17:59:25 my dog is like that Jul 07 17:59:33 but he's always on my bed Jul 07 17:59:37 and biting me Jul 07 17:59:40 Heh Jul 07 17:59:57 my dogs great 14 lbs of barking power Jul 07 18:00:01 My brother is tutoring somebody, so we put him in the garage so he doesn't bug them Jul 07 18:02:06 Ugh Jul 07 18:02:15 I need to design a scores page Jul 07 18:04:58 do it in asm Jul 07 18:08:33 asm? Jul 07 18:08:58 bah. tell users to write them down with pencil & paper Jul 07 18:09:12 * Tibfib agrees with haeffb_pre Jul 07 18:09:13 less work for you Jul 07 18:09:41 Hah Jul 07 18:09:47 I've got the server running Jul 07 18:09:49 assembly Jul 07 18:10:04 Just need to add in the UI Jul 07 18:12:56 * Tibfib might be able to make money with "sponsored" and Jul 07 18:13:01 "featured" rooms Jul 07 18:13:10 too bad the quote and enter button are right by each other Jul 07 18:13:23 (in mojo messenger) Jul 07 18:18:41 damnit i want 1.4.5.1 on mahhh fonnneee Jul 07 18:21:38 Tibfib: What's your userbase like? Jul 07 18:22:05 kesne: it is still in private beta. Jul 07 18:22:19 I don't WANT a big userbase Jul 07 18:22:59 Why not? Jul 07 18:23:16 because it's still being tested Jul 07 18:23:56 Bigger userbase = more bugs found Jul 07 18:24:18 well to be honest, it's features that are not ready yet, not bugs. Jul 07 18:24:31 Once I get the features out, I'll go public beta and start testing bugs Jul 07 18:24:32 Ah Jul 07 18:24:50 You sure the server can take it? Jul 07 18:25:05 we'll see Jul 07 18:26:04 That's why I tested KSO with 1500 user beta test :P Jul 07 18:26:18 I'm kind of in alpha Jul 07 18:27:07 Meh Jul 07 18:27:12 Alpha, beta, it's all the same Jul 07 18:27:22 Though granted, I alpha tested with 20 users, heh Jul 07 18:28:28 hah! Jul 07 18:29:17 I think I'll be fine with hosting... I'm just waiting for more users to purchase more bandwith and and a dedicated hosting IP Jul 07 18:29:33 Ah Jul 07 18:29:42 Users = Money? Jul 07 18:29:56 eventually Jul 07 18:30:02 How so Jul 07 18:30:21 pro accounts Jul 07 18:30:24 sponsored rooms Jul 07 18:30:30 Pro accounts? xD Jul 07 18:30:36 oh yeah! Jul 07 18:30:43 Tibfib: what kind of setup does server use? Jul 07 18:30:55 dkirker: just using godaddy Jul 07 18:31:08 KSO runs on a VPS Jul 07 18:31:30 I mean to run mojo messenger. Jul 07 18:31:42 dkirker: just php and mysql Jul 07 18:31:53 * torchie refresh Jul 07 18:31:55 Uh oh Jul 07 18:32:05 Tibfib: I might be able to help you out with server resources. Jul 07 18:32:07 be careful with that Jul 07 18:32:17 dkirker: alright Jul 07 18:32:23 kesne: why? Jul 07 18:32:38 tibfib: it puts strain on the database Jul 07 18:32:53 in fact, some hosts ban using mySQL databases for chatrooms Jul 07 18:33:05 heh, nice Jul 07 18:37:21 sup Jul 07 18:37:45 kesne: I think I'll be okay. If I get in trouble I'll look for other storage methods Jul 07 18:37:57 I may use couchDb, although hots could have the same problem Jul 07 18:37:58 codeslaw: Hello! Jul 07 18:38:02 codeslaw: howdy! Jul 07 18:38:09 greetings all Jul 07 18:38:12 hi codeslaw Jul 07 18:38:23 tibfib: best storage method imo is no storage method at all Jul 07 18:38:34 Keep everything local on the device Jul 07 18:38:49 doesn't work for chat rooms Jul 07 18:38:59 Yessir it does Jul 07 18:39:02 how? Jul 07 18:39:05 Create a php file Jul 07 18:39:11 and use APE Jul 07 18:39:22 It'd take a few days to get working right Jul 07 18:39:40 It Jul 07 18:39:47 IMO, local storage + online backup with synch Jul 07 18:39:48 It'd take a lot of days to get working right hah Jul 07 18:40:01 4 days tops Jul 07 18:40:08 what codeslaw said Jul 07 18:40:20 You just relay info back to the client Jul 07 18:40:23 Don't keep anything Jul 07 18:40:42 Only issue with that is you don't get chat logs Jul 07 18:40:54 your a chat log Jul 07 18:40:56 well, online storage can have a nice benefit. Viewing from a website. Jul 07 18:41:15 halfhalo_class: lol Jul 07 18:41:19 looog, looog, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood. Jul 07 18:41:34 dkirker: which was in the plans Jul 07 18:41:42 Tibfib: :) Jul 07 18:42:55 hmm, tough decision. Jul 07 18:43:46 Personally, I use php and mySWL Jul 07 18:43:46 I'd probably do store-and-forward with a MySQL archive system for backups and web viewing. Jul 07 18:43:53 Not to be confused with mySQL Jul 07 18:44:15 http://blog.laptopmag.com/htc-droid-incredible-vs-palm-pre-plus - vote! Jul 07 18:45:45 already voted twice... Jul 07 18:46:03 I still don't think APE would work with chat rooms as they are now, since mine are not quite the typical chat room. Jul 07 18:46:54 It's not irc. It's texting multiple people. Jul 07 18:47:14 (as in you can get messages when you aren't in the room) Jul 07 18:48:13 So is the goal to provide a way to send previously sent messages to a new subscriber? Say, I subscribe to the webOS list, I expect I'll get all of the new messages, but do I see all of the old ones too? Jul 07 18:48:31 dkirker: yep Jul 07 18:48:46 that actually sounds really cool Jul 07 18:48:56 users just download the messages from the sql table (which are cleaned out every weekly/daily) Jul 07 18:49:11 Ok, that makes sense. Jul 07 18:49:25 yep Jul 07 18:49:42 private messages are deleted when you download them, for storage space and privacy Jul 07 18:50:18 heh every weekly/daily...silly me Jul 07 18:51:26 lol http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133622476652994 Jul 07 18:52:03 yeah, just saw that. Pretty cool. Jul 07 18:52:41 I honestly don't think he'd like it. He couldn't do half the cool stuff he's done Jul 07 18:52:55 sometimes it is better to be on the outside Jul 07 18:53:13 Palm is actually pretty damn fun, but he would be limited. Jul 07 18:53:32 hahah Jul 07 18:53:40 Hey, is anyone here familiar with using gcc? Jul 07 18:53:46 He would be able to do some of the stuff that he does, but not all of it, since he would be on a specific team. Jul 07 18:53:48 hah, don't get me wrong... I still want to work/intern for palm Jul 07 18:53:50 so who is jason robitaille? Jul 07 18:54:08 pandora--: webos quick install developer Jul 07 18:54:16 Tibfib: It is so awesome! :D Apply online in the fall. With any luck, I'll be back next summer. Jul 07 18:54:43 dkirker: hmm, would they hire a 16/17 year old? hah! Jul 07 18:56:17 Tibfib: Probably, for an internship. I know one guy that was there a few summers ago that had not been in college yet (kid interned at Apple the previous summer with me and he was still in high school). Jul 07 18:56:35 that would be a sweet summer Jul 07 18:56:41 The downer: You cannot commercially develop apps and sell them in the catalog. :( Jul 07 18:57:08 So no PDK people here? :) Jul 07 18:57:17 dave balmer joined palm and he can still sell his app... he can't make more Jul 07 18:57:20 elyon2: I am using the PDK. Jul 07 18:57:51 Tibfib: Yeah. Which is why I am working on moVox (SIPper's new name) this summer, instead of being at Palm. :) Jul 07 18:58:03 I've got a C++ project that compiles with VS C++, and I've got the sample PDK app that compiles with VS C++ Jul 07 18:58:31 I was able to compile the "simple" app for the phone, using buildit.cmd, but I can't get it to compile my other project for me Jul 07 18:58:49 There's about 60 files, which complicates things a bit :) Jul 07 18:59:01 So do I need to pass a reference to each .cpp file explicitly? Jul 07 18:59:10 And if so, do I need to use a certain order? Jul 07 18:59:12 dkirker: hah, I see Jul 07 19:00:10 elyon2: hmmm. What kind of errors? I don't really have experience with VS. But with gcc you can set a flag that tells gcc to compile all of the files and link them, vs. compiling individually and linking later. Jul 07 19:00:34 Yeah, so it compiles great with VS C++, now I'm trying GCC Jul 07 19:00:47 So by default it expects each file to not require other files? Jul 07 19:00:55 So would that be the -combine flag, or another one? Jul 07 19:01:05 -c or something? (I'm new to figuring out its options) Jul 07 19:01:11 1 sec Jul 07 19:01:50 erg Jul 07 19:02:11 elyon2: -c will compile files -o will compile if needed and run the linker. Jul 07 19:02:14 decodeURIComponent nor unescape changes & to just &...what do I use? Jul 07 19:02:15 The general patter is something like this: $CC $CPPFLAGS $LDFLAGS -o $OUTFILE $SRC $LIBS Jul 07 19:02:36 Here's what I have now: Jul 07 19:02:37 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc %DEVICEOPTS% -o %OUTFILE% %SRC% -I src -I"%HXCPP%\include" -I"..\bin\include" -I"%PALMPDK%\include" -I"%PALMPDK%\include\SDL" -L"%PALMPDK%\device\lib" -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined %LIBS% Jul 07 19:03:31 hmmm, what error do you get? compile errors, link errors? Jul 07 19:03:46 "undefined reference to ..." Jul 07 19:04:16 What libs are you linking against? Jul 07 19:04:32 The order of the libs can be crucial. Jul 07 19:04:57 It's using SDL, GL, PDL Jul 07 19:05:00 The default stuff Jul 07 19:05:12 Then I have the project specific includes, plus the PDK includes Jul 07 19:05:21 GL ES 1.1 or 2? Jul 07 19:05:38 2, it looks like Jul 07 19:05:50 However most of the errors seem to be related to my own code names. Jul 07 19:05:59 Hold on ... it's spitting out the giant error list ... :) Jul 07 19:06:08 * dkirker ducks back to work for a little bit. "Gotta get stuff done." Jul 07 19:06:23 GLESv2 is the lib you need to use, not GL. Jul 07 19:06:40 Yeah, stuff like "undefined reference to 'neash::display::Shape_obj::++register ()" Jul 07 19:07:08 My %HXSRC% variable includes all of the .cpp files in my src directory Jul 07 19:07:24 Including src\neash\display\Shape.cpp Jul 07 19:07:51 LIBS is still set to "-lSDL -lGLESv2 -lpdl" from the example Jul 07 19:08:15 It looks like it can't find the object files gcc is creating when running the linker. Try adding a -lsrc, or whatever directory those are created in. Jul 07 19:08:37 so -lsrc ../src or something like that? Jul 07 19:09:31 LIBS should be something like "-lSDL -lGLESv2 -lpdl -lwherever_.o_file_are" Jul 07 19:11:22 Hrm Jul 07 19:11:28 It keeps telling me "cannot find" Jul 07 19:11:33 What path is it expecting? Jul 07 19:11:42 Relative to the .cmd file, or somewhere else? Jul 07 19:11:44 -L Jul 07 19:12:37 Okay, -Lsrc did something Jul 07 19:12:50 Still have "undefined reference" errors, though Jul 07 19:13:02 Hey Jul 07 19:13:03 All Jul 07 19:13:38 Oops, I meant -L, not -l Jul 07 19:14:02 No, I don't think that's working. It does the same thing even if I type in nonsense Jul 07 19:14:18 This feels so close. C++ is amazing, though Jul 07 19:14:23 "How to compile in 50 easy steps" Jul 07 19:14:26 ;) Jul 07 19:14:32 omnomnomnom Jul 07 19:14:36 Frosted Flakes! Jul 07 19:14:39 nomnom Jul 07 19:14:44 pewpew pewpew Jul 07 19:14:53 webOS-info: bananas Jul 07 19:14:53 * webOS-info looks at sugardave and says "banana banana banana!" Jul 07 19:15:04 sugardave! Jul 07 19:15:09 elyon2: -L tells gcc linker where to look for libraries that you specifiy with -l Jul 07 19:15:11 kesne Jul 07 19:15:15 sugardave Jul 07 19:15:21 if you need compiled objects to be linked in you need to list them individually Jul 07 19:15:23 kesne Jul 07 19:15:29 oh, right! Jul 07 19:15:30 okay Jul 07 19:15:31 sugardave Jul 07 19:15:40 So there's already an -L in there for the PDK directory Jul 07 19:15:52 I'll try copying some files so they're in the same directory Jul 07 19:15:54 webOS-info: gun Jul 07 19:15:54 gun is pewpew pewpew Jul 07 19:16:05 webOS-info: botsnack Jul 07 19:16:05 thanks Tibfib :) Jul 07 19:16:11 hey! Jul 07 19:16:18 that wasn't working yesterday Jul 07 19:16:27 it would just print :) Jul 07 19:16:27 elyon2: Are you compiling and linking in different steps? Jul 07 19:16:28 webos-info: kesne Jul 07 19:16:28 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness. Jul 07 19:16:29 webOS-info: botsmack Jul 07 19:16:29 * webOS-info smacks Tibfib Jul 07 19:16:33 HAHAHHA Jul 07 19:16:55 it needs a $target or something Jul 07 19:17:03 that's great! who did that one? Jul 07 19:17:04 I can't make it do it Jul 07 19:17:17 sugardave: yeah,,, we need a slap XXXXX Jul 07 19:17:38 lart Jul 07 19:17:50 lart, slap, etc Jul 07 19:17:57 kick Jul 07 19:17:58 lick Jul 07 19:18:05 webOS-info: slap Jul 07 19:18:05 * webOS-info slaps the whipping boy Jul 07 19:18:10 haha Jul 07 19:18:17 Heh Jul 07 19:18:19 Hmm, maybe this does need to be broken into multiple steps Jul 07 19:18:24 webos-info: webos Jul 07 19:18:24 it has been said that webos is arguably the worst mobile platform there is, both in terms of usability and for development. Jul 07 19:18:29 Nobody has fixed that? Jul 07 19:18:34 dangit. Jul 07 19:18:38 webOS-info: forget webos Jul 07 19:18:38 Tibfib: I forgot webos Jul 07 19:18:51 webos-info: pie Jul 07 19:18:51 * webOS-info sings she's my cherry pie! Jul 07 19:19:02 webOS-info: webos is awesome|magical|scary Jul 07 19:19:02 OK, Tibfib. Jul 07 19:19:23 webOS-info: Mojo Jul 07 19:19:23 rumour has it Mojo is magic Jul 07 19:19:25 webos-info: sugardave Jul 07 19:19:25 sugardave is haeffb's arch-foe Jul 07 19:19:41 webOS-info: dr. pepper Jul 07 19:19:41 dr. pepper is the official beverage of webOS developers. Jul 07 19:19:43 webos-info: chuq Jul 07 19:19:44 * webOS-info hides the puppies Jul 07 19:19:50 I LOVE dr. pepper Jul 07 19:19:55 webOS-info: puppy Jul 07 19:19:55 LOOK A PUPPY!! Jul 07 19:20:51 I wish that the webOS emulator were more like the iPhone one Jul 07 19:20:52 kesne: where was that graph about infobot and efficiency? Jul 07 19:20:58 Let me grab it Jul 07 19:20:58 elyon2: you said %HXSRC% but showed using %SRC% in your make line Jul 07 19:21:09 webOS-info: webOS-info Jul 07 19:21:09 i am a bot. Jul 07 19:21:10 s/make/build/ Jul 07 19:21:50 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 07 19:22:02 warpdesign: graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 07 19:22:06 hah. Jul 07 19:22:12 webOS-info: graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 07 19:22:12 OK, Tibfib. Jul 07 19:22:34 webos-info: graph Jul 07 19:22:34 i think graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png Jul 07 19:22:50 ok Tibfib ;) Jul 07 19:22:50 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001104028311&ref=ts Jul 07 19:23:40 you should get facebook.com/webos Jul 07 19:23:58 kesne: I like how its relationship is "it's complicated" Jul 07 19:23:58 deliciousmorsel: What do you mean? Jul 07 19:23:59 Oh Jul 07 19:24:00 Yeah Jul 07 19:24:06 Tibfib: Heh Jul 07 19:24:25 the short username Jul 07 19:24:58 egaudet_work: Yeah, I defined an extra variable, because the extra source file list was so long Jul 07 19:25:16 When I compile the project, it creates a Build.xml file Jul 07 19:25:32 Then it passes it through it's own compiler, which generates the .cpp and .h files Jul 07 19:25:50 however, it also passes that onto the Visual Studio C++ compiler for Windows Jul 07 19:26:03 But it includes an iphone option, assumably to pass it to the iphone sdk instead Jul 07 19:26:21 Maybe what I need to do is try and figure out if there is a way I can configure that tool to pass through the GCC compiler instead Jul 07 19:26:37 the Build.xml file seems to have information regarding dependencies, linking and such Jul 07 19:26:47 So maybe I just need to go back a step Jul 07 19:27:08 I am excited though! I'm so close to being able to write Actionscript and compile it as C++ on the phone Jul 07 19:29:15 I need username suggestions Jul 07 19:29:36 kensesucks? Jul 07 19:29:40 :P Jul 07 19:29:45 For my palm webos account Jul 07 19:29:51 palm.webos taken Jul 07 19:29:57 palmwebos is too Jul 07 19:30:00 lol Jul 07 19:30:03 webos, palm, etc is Jul 07 19:31:18 :O Jul 07 19:31:58 palmweboskillsiphone? Jul 07 19:32:26 kense? Jul 07 19:32:29 it also eats the iPhone for breakfast! :) Jul 07 19:32:31 or huejazz Jul 07 19:32:34 ;o Jul 07 19:33:01 http://www.facebook.com/palmweboseatsiphonesforbreakfast Jul 07 19:33:06 heywood.jablome Jul 07 19:33:19 kesne: I LOVE IT! :D Jul 07 19:33:29 lol. nice Jul 07 19:33:35 Add me as a friend! :D Jul 07 19:33:55 lol Jul 07 19:34:18 To join the Palm network I need a work email Jul 07 19:34:21 jon@palm.com? Jul 07 19:34:28 lol Jul 07 19:34:35 webos@palm.com? Jul 07 19:34:43 thisisntkesne@palm.com? Jul 07 19:34:47 hahah Jul 07 19:34:49 yes Jul 07 19:34:59 or tibfib@palm.com Jul 07 19:35:15 jonnyboy@palm.com Jul 07 19:36:52 rubenstein should totally rock an offish email a la jobs Jul 07 19:37:07 and to differentiate, give extremely long responses to simple questions Jul 07 19:38:22 * Tibfib has got zero coding done today Jul 07 19:38:32 * halfhalo_class has got zero coding done in a month Jul 07 19:38:51 gottttten. Jul 07 19:39:10 * sugardave plods along in OAuth land. Jul 07 19:39:50 * halfhalo_class stabs sugardave for kicks Jul 07 19:40:07 webOS-info: bananas Jul 07 19:40:08 * webOS-info goes bananas on sugardave Jul 07 19:40:12 D: Jul 07 19:40:18 haha Jul 07 19:40:26 NOOOO!!!!! I have a meeting at 1! But the world cup is still on! Jul 07 19:40:50 Who is going to win? Germany? Jul 07 19:40:56 No idea Jul 07 19:41:05 stupid stream keeps pausing as well Jul 07 19:41:06 MetaView: Germany! Jul 07 19:41:17 but it still sounds like 0:0 Jul 07 19:41:29 no cheering nothing on the streets yet Jul 07 19:41:35 nooooooo, stop talking about it Jul 07 19:41:41 (dvr'd) Jul 07 19:42:24 GERMANY ONE!!! Jul 07 19:42:27 oh, wait Jul 07 19:42:28 :p Jul 07 19:42:53 sugardave: still trying to get that phone? Jul 07 19:44:17 oh, that was close? Jul 07 19:44:25 yup Jul 07 19:44:31 kesne: no, different project Jul 07 19:44:48 you don't need to watch, just open the window and listen :D Jul 07 19:45:10 I have no windows Jul 07 19:45:13 sugardave: for PDK? Jul 07 19:45:15 :( Jul 07 19:46:53 kesne: nah, you guys and your silly little contests :P Jul 07 19:46:57 I don't do PDK Jul 07 19:47:19 For what then? Jul 07 19:47:32 it's a secret, shhhh Jul 07 19:47:56 OH GOD A SECRET! Jul 07 19:48:09 Ah, so close Jul 07 19:48:15 I wish I understood the GCC compiler better Jul 07 19:48:27 what's wrong? Jul 07 19:48:31 Turns out there's an XML file which defines all the compiler flags Jul 07 19:48:45 So I could do haxe -cpp -Dwebos and have it pass it all to GCC for me Jul 07 19:49:02 I just need to figure out what values GCC needs Jul 07 19:49:05 g++ Jul 07 19:49:09 And how to translate it to this XML file :) Jul 07 19:49:11 bbiaf Jul 07 19:49:17 xml is easy Jul 07 19:49:28 gcc takes a xml file? Jul 07 19:49:46 didn't know that option Jul 07 19:50:05 i do not believe so Jul 07 19:50:08 Here's what the file looks like: Jul 07 19:50:08 http://pastie.org/1034848 Jul 07 19:50:12 No, this is for a build tool Jul 07 19:50:25 Which takes haXe code, turns it into C++, then passes it to the compiler Jul 07 19:50:46 So the XML file tells it, depending on the platform and the export target, whether to use cl.exe, or g++, etc. Jul 07 19:51:03 ok, and then uses the vars in the xml file to feed them as arguments to gcc Jul 07 19:51:14 If I can figure out how to add a "webos" option (like they have an "iphone" option), then I'll be able to compile haXe projects for the phone Jul 07 19:51:17 Yeah Jul 07 19:51:19 gcc just takes a long list of arguments and options and switches Jul 07 19:51:25 I tried doing the compile by hand, using a batch file Jul 07 19:51:35 But I came to realize that it must compile in multiple steps Jul 07 19:51:46 So figuring out how to work with the system, rather than around it, is a better way to go Jul 07 19:52:05 It's sweet, though. haXe is very similar to Actionscript, but it lets you compile to PHP, JS, C++, Flash ... Jul 07 19:52:33 So it handles garbage collection, blitting and other stuff like that automatically in C++ Jul 07 19:52:49 So you can just create objects, move them around, handle mouse events, etc. Jul 07 19:54:27 WOO HOO Jul 07 19:56:25 Roy-Pre101! Jul 07 19:56:30 You should just go by pre101 Jul 07 19:57:31 webOS-info: Roy-Pre101 Jul 07 19:57:32 Roy is the creator of webOS101: http://www.webos101.com/ Jul 07 19:59:46 http://www.webos101.com/User:Kesne Jul 07 20:00:35 1:0 ? Jul 07 20:00:55 kesne: Nice Palm webOS facebook user. Jul 07 20:01:09 Hehe Jul 07 20:01:44 got my ipod touch a day early.. i love fedex Jul 07 20:03:17 I hate them Jul 07 20:07:41 somebody shoot me... please... Jul 07 20:07:50 nah Jul 07 20:07:57 I will Jul 07 20:08:05 But you're buying the gun Jul 07 20:08:10 lol Jul 07 20:08:31 I'm in California. I can't wait ten days. I must be shot NOW! Jul 07 20:11:07 dawm dawm dawm dwm Jul 07 20:12:50 dawm Jul 07 20:13:38 http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2010/07/kin-fusing-kin-clusion-to-kin-and-fy11.html Jul 07 20:13:42 wow... Jul 07 20:15:15 lolollol Jul 07 20:27:05 haha, microsoft really messed up with the kin :) gotta love it Jul 07 20:27:18 I had almost the same reaction as the guy who wrote that article Jul 07 20:27:34 it does what?? really? I guess, it's not for me... we'll see if it works out Jul 07 20:31:08 Is there any way to handle spaces in a command line? Jul 07 20:31:17 "command with spaces" Jul 07 20:31:21 If I use %PALMPDK% it says "file\ Jul 07 20:31:23 well, yeah Jul 07 20:31:29 But I'm using XML Jul 07 20:31:32 Jul 07 20:31:42 %20 Jul 07 20:31:43 ? Jul 07 20:31:46 I got nothing Jul 07 20:31:49 I'll try it Jul 07 20:31:53 far too advanced for me Jul 07 20:32:05 Well, I copied the files out of program files, to get rid of spaces Jul 07 20:32:09 But now I get errors like this: Jul 07 20:32:21 undefined reference to 'g_main_loop_run' Jul 07 20:32:24 in libpdl.so Jul 07 20:32:27 etc. Jul 07 20:33:23 you could use the old path, but instead of the environement variable, hardcode it and use Microsoft's fancy 8.3 naming convention for no spaces Jul 07 20:34:00 C:\Progra~1\Palm\etc... Jul 07 20:35:59 hmmm... try putting quotes around it? so something like value="""mydir""" ? Jul 07 20:36:32 elyon2: missing the allow-shlib-undefined Jul 07 20:36:38 in a command prompt you can put quotes around a directory that has spaces... it used to be required when windows first adopted a directory structure that allowed spaces Jul 07 20:38:42 swisstomcat has a competitor Jul 07 20:39:00 'Jubgle Sounds' Jul 07 20:39:10 jungle, even Jul 07 20:39:23 Okay, lost my connection there Jul 07 20:39:34 I just got around the spaces thing, so that's cool Jul 07 20:39:50 Ba ba ba Jul 07 20:39:54 I was able to do Jul 07 20:40:06 Then reference it as ${PALMPDK} Jul 07 20:40:26 ah, cool Jul 07 20:40:31 I'm still getting undefined reference errors from all three of the libraries, though Jul 07 20:40:50 I wonder if there's something else I'm missing? Jul 07 20:40:59 I see a reference for json, one for sqlite3 ... Jul 07 20:41:54 does it specify the line that causes the error? is it caused by code that is referencing a library that isn't referenced into the projecT? Jul 07 20:41:59 szdfxcghvjbklm;'. Jul 07 20:43:24 usually when you get an undefined reference it tells you what reference is undefined... Jul 07 20:43:50 Here's an example: Jul 07 20:44:12 elyon2: are you using -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined Jul 07 20:44:30 C:\Program Files\Palm\PDK\device\lib/libSDL.so: undefined reference to 'PSoftContext2D::RenderToTexture(PSoftPixmap*)' Jul 07 20:45:22 I'm getting: Jul 07 20:45:41 cc1plus.exe: error: unrecognized command line option "-WI,--allow-shlib-undefined" Jul 07 20:45:49 l Jul 07 20:45:53 Maybe it doesn't like that it appears to be doubled up Jul 07 20:45:53 lowercase L Jul 07 20:46:22 Hah! Jul 07 20:46:24 Ever so much closer Jul 07 20:46:37 Now I'm getting 'hxcpp.h: no such file or directory' Jul 07 20:46:42 Which is a lot more reasonable Jul 07 20:46:56 Thanks for your help! Jul 07 20:47:04 not in any of the searched include paths, additional ones can be added with -I (capital i) Jul 07 20:47:06 I totally mistyped that as an i instead of an l Jul 07 20:48:25 Ugh Jul 07 20:52:03 hey =D Jul 07 20:52:06 how are you Jul 07 20:52:54 stupid c++ always bustin my chops Jul 07 20:53:10 I WILL HAVE THIS NUMBER AS A STRING, DAMN YOU Jul 07 20:54:29 sprintf() ? Jul 07 20:54:41 yes, got it Jul 07 20:55:01 but took me a sec Jul 07 20:55:02 It's a typed language... Jul 07 20:55:10 very aware of this Jul 07 20:55:16 just a question of what you used to Jul 07 20:55:28 I hate JS for not being typed Jul 07 20:55:36 well, AS3 is strongly typed Jul 07 20:55:39 but also dynamic Jul 07 20:55:42 so i can do Jul 07 20:55:56 MetaView: what's a typed language? Jul 07 20:56:12 var test:String = "hi there " + 1000 + " times!"; Jul 07 20:56:20 anyhow Jul 07 20:56:28 i crank out the logic for my app really quick Jul 07 20:56:34 and get hung up on small stupid crap Jul 07 20:56:38 like string->int Jul 07 20:56:48 which is what i would expect Jul 07 20:57:13 evening Jul 07 20:57:18 MetaView: nevermind, wikipedia Jul 07 20:57:19 welcome to the joy of c++ ;) Jul 07 20:57:21 sup swiss Jul 07 20:57:23 hi again swisstomcat Jul 07 20:57:37 wow, spain did it .. the octupus was right Jul 07 20:57:43 DANG Jul 07 20:57:53 spain, spain, spain. i was suprised myself Jul 07 20:58:05 they were out playing germany the whole first half it seemed Jul 07 20:58:17 swisstomcat: "Jungle Sounds" Jul 07 20:58:41 yeah, saw it Jul 07 20:58:47 Hey codeslaw ... Jul 07 20:58:55 sup elyon2 Jul 07 20:58:57 I'm on my way to getting haXe to compile as C++ for the Palm Jul 07 20:58:59 what do they call an unfinished program, before alpha, beta, etc? Jul 07 20:59:03 they had many chances but only made one into a goal Jul 07 20:59:05 Heard of haXe before? Jul 07 20:59:05 hey not a bad idea Jul 07 20:59:10 alpha Jul 07 20:59:10 i have indeed Jul 07 20:59:16 before alpha Jul 07 20:59:21 pre-alpha? Jul 07 20:59:26 before pre-alpha Jul 07 20:59:29 Seems like it may be the "missing link" for pushing Flash-type content Jul 07 20:59:50 I've gotten it to compile with Visual Studio, I'm just working out the connection to G++ to compile for the phone Jul 07 20:59:53 never tried compiling to C++ Jul 07 21:00:27 torchie: what is this, some kinda game? Jul 07 21:00:36 torchie: proof of concept Jul 07 21:00:37 lol Jul 07 21:00:45 sandbox test Jul 07 21:00:46 before pre pre pre-alpha? Jul 07 21:00:46 haxe is something to eat :) Jul 07 21:00:54 lol Jul 07 21:01:07 Okay, so I'm getting this message now: Jul 07 21:01:17 haxe is Eisbein but rather fried than cooked Jul 07 21:01:39 "ld.exe: warning: libnapp.so, needed by C:\Program Files\Palm\PDK\device\lib/libSDL.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) Jul 07 21:02:37 codeslaw: I'll share the BuildCommon.xml file if I get this to work Jul 07 21:02:49 It includes Windows, Mac and iPhone as export targets Jul 07 21:02:56 So I'm working out the details to get it to publish for the Pre Jul 07 21:03:00 some of those messages can be ignored Jul 07 21:03:08 elyon2: awesome Jul 07 21:03:15 Okay. That's what the ignore flag is for? Jul 07 21:04:31 Does the touchstone charger not work if it's plugged into the computer? Must it be connected to a wall socket? Jul 07 21:05:30 Yeah, USB doesn't provide enough power Jul 07 21:05:35 I think it needs an amp Jul 07 21:05:45 USB can sometimes be 1/10 of an amp, I think Jul 07 21:06:25 USB devices can request higher power output Jul 07 21:06:57 bummer.. looks like I need another USB cable then. :( Jul 07 21:08:38 when does Palm transfer funds to the paypal account ? Jul 07 21:09:03 for paying apps you develop Jul 07 21:13:08 After 6 months, or $600, I believe Jul 07 21:13:17 after $100 Jul 07 21:13:41 afaik Jul 07 21:13:45 Hah! Getting closer Jul 07 21:13:58 anyone know that what that number is for euros? Jul 07 21:13:59 Turns out the build file was trying to compile each cpp file first Jul 07 21:14:01 100 Jul 07 21:14:18 so I added the -c flag, and now it's running along! Jul 07 21:14:24 However, one of the files threw this error: Jul 07 21:14:34 "printf" was not declared in this scope Jul 07 21:14:43 What do you think that means? Jul 07 21:14:52 you have no console stub Jul 07 21:14:58 so it's 6 monthes or $100 before they send anything ? Jul 07 21:15:01 you have no debug output Jul 07 21:15:23 Okay, I'm trying to compile without the debug flag Jul 07 21:15:24 printf is usually defined in the libc Jul 07 21:15:33 it's 100 euros as well Jul 07 21:15:42 never heard anything about 6 months wait Jul 07 21:16:10 what about it never makes it to $100 or 100 € ? Jul 07 21:16:17 i should probably get my app translated if i am going to ever make the limit in euros Jul 07 21:16:33 sk4jc: www.thinmachine.ch/en/service.html Jul 07 21:16:34 sk4jc: translation is not the only thing Jul 07 21:16:46 most apps, sucks big when translated Jul 07 21:17:34 the most apps translated poorly when used in languages other Jul 07 21:17:40 i will have to get a quote Jul 07 21:17:53 im not totally setup for localization though Jul 07 21:17:59 i've translated a few apps already Jul 07 21:18:05 Is -g the flag I would need to enable debugging? Jul 07 21:18:19 yes Jul 07 21:18:24 Hmm Jul 07 21:18:28 done,whendle,match'em Jul 07 21:18:33 Still giving me trouble about printf Jul 07 21:18:52 comment it out Jul 07 21:19:04 Good call ;) Jul 07 21:19:14 you don't have a standard out where printf would be able to output Jul 07 21:20:57 Umm, I'm not sure Jul 07 21:21:01 I've never done this before Jul 07 21:21:13 Perhaps it would be handled if I was running it in FlashDevelop Jul 07 21:21:18 I'm just using a command line for now Jul 07 21:21:24 Okay, it's gotten further Jul 07 21:21:37 error: 'uint64_t' does not name a type Jul 07 21:21:56 typedef uint64_t long long Jul 07 21:22:06 Where would I put that? At the head of that file? Jul 07 21:22:56 in a general header file Jul 07 21:23:17 the type uint64_t might be used everywhere Jul 07 21:23:35 Yeah, here's the line: Jul 07 21:23:36 typedef uint64_t __int64; Jul 07 21:23:50 So that's saying that __int64 is of type uint64_t, and the system doesn't know what that means? Jul 07 21:24:00 include Jul 07 21:24:14 no, it says, whenever I use type uint64_t I really mean __int64 Jul 07 21:24:22 which doesn't makes it better Jul 07 21:24:30 or it's the other way around... Jul 07 21:24:48 other way Jul 07 21:25:05 ok Jul 07 21:25:07 type define as Jul 07 21:25:08 night everyone Jul 07 21:25:39 err nevermind I said that, doesn't make anything clearer lol Jul 07 21:26:50 Okay, so printf and sprintf problems Jul 07 21:26:54 Are those both for debugging? Jul 07 21:27:07 How would I create a stub file to keep those from throwing errors? Jul 07 21:27:19 or definition of some kind ... Jul 07 21:27:27 Or should I just comment it out? Jul 07 21:27:39 sprintf? is to convert an anything into a string Jul 07 21:27:43 you should have it Jul 07 21:27:44 hmm Jul 07 21:27:53 maybe you need to link with libc? Jul 07 21:27:53 fread, fopen are throwing errors too Jul 07 21:27:56 stdio Jul 07 21:28:01 link with libc Jul 07 21:28:17 the include file is Jul 07 21:28:18 Is that a -I option, or is that a #include in one of the files? Jul 07 21:28:46 the compiler will complain if the function isn't declared, that's you need the include file Jul 07 21:29:02 Okay, cool. Should I include that instead of , or in addition? Jul 07 21:29:04 the linker will complain if he doesn't find the function, that's you need the correct library Jul 07 21:29:09 in addition Jul 07 21:29:13 Jul 07 21:29:18 Jul 07 21:29:28 don't need to link with anything for printf Jul 07 21:31:22 just include stdio.h Jul 07 21:31:39 no, you need libc Jul 07 21:31:44 or you will not have printf Jul 07 21:32:05 without libc you will almost have nothing Jul 07 21:32:19 it's automatic Jul 07 21:32:21 not a manual link Jul 07 21:32:41 depends on the enviroment Jul 07 21:32:53 on PalmOS you never had a standard c lib Jul 07 21:32:58 You have to do extra work to _not_ lnk to libc in every environment I've worked in Jul 07 21:33:17 work with PalmOS :) Jul 07 21:33:20 And the environment we care about in here is Linux :) Jul 07 21:33:25 No thank you Jul 07 21:33:35 MetaView, using gnu compiler? Jul 07 21:33:41 using gcc, yes Jul 07 21:34:00 that's some ridiculous environment they gave lol Jul 07 21:34:35 egaudet: I suppose they didn't want to enforce a choice on you for such an embedded environment Jul 07 21:34:37 Great! Thanks! I never would have figured this out on my own Jul 07 21:34:41 you run into lots of issues when trying to link a libc of a different version Jul 07 21:34:46 Now it all compiles fine, but it's looking for a linker now Jul 07 21:35:02 For Windows development, it calls link.exe with some flags Jul 07 21:35:10 but then I have no idea the environments of palmos so I'm sure they had reason Jul 07 21:35:12 How would this work with a G++ compiler? Jul 07 21:35:27 elyon2, compiler compiles into objects Jul 07 21:35:33 linker links objects into executable Jul 07 21:35:39 elyon2: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7827 Jul 07 21:36:29 So I probably call the same executable, but with a different command line option? Jul 07 21:36:40 Like instead of -c for compile, I pass something else to link? Jul 07 21:37:01 I know the PDK example does it all in one step, but I'm sure it's possible to do in separate steps like this ... Jul 07 21:37:01 elyon2: Are you on OS X or Windows? Jul 07 21:37:04 Windows Jul 07 21:37:09 Oh Jul 07 21:37:09 gnu compiler will automatically pass to linker if you don't use -c Jul 07 21:37:18 Well, you can use ld directly, I suppose Jul 07 21:37:19 I'm compiling a big list of files Jul 07 21:37:30 But it's better to do gcc foo.o bar.o -o myapp Jul 07 21:37:31 When it passes it to the linker, it throws errors, because it cant find the other files Jul 07 21:37:49 gcc -o binary one.c two.c three.c ... works Jul 07 21:38:12 unless you have nonstandard rules for building objects, the most basic case as above should work Jul 07 21:38:21 * Amaranth prefers making .o files Jul 07 21:38:31 That way you don't have to compile everything when you change one file Jul 07 21:38:32 I do too Jul 07 21:39:47 elyon2: So just use g++ foo.o bar.o -o myapp after compiling your files to .o and it'll run the linker for you Jul 07 21:39:58 Of course you need to include the linker flags Jul 07 21:40:14 copy those from the batch file Jul 07 21:41:49 Okay, I'll give it a try Jul 07 21:49:14 Alright, so right now it's working like this: Jul 07 21:49:32 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -oMain file.o file.o ... Jul 07 21:49:36 And it's throwing errors Jul 07 21:49:47 I have all the right flags when compiling. Which of those flags do I need when linking? Jul 07 21:50:15 There's the cpu settings, includes, libraries ... Jul 07 21:50:24 Which are used when compiling, and which are used for linking (or for both)? Jul 07 21:58:36 almost Jul 07 21:58:41 Well, I think it's linking fine Jul 07 21:58:57 I copied over most of the same compiler flags, and it's exporting a single file, like it did with the sample app before Jul 07 21:59:14 I tried packaging it up and putting it on the device, but the app doesn't start Jul 07 21:59:23 For some reason, using SSH into my phone doesn't work Jul 07 21:59:34 So I guess there isn't really a way for me to figure out why it doesn't run Jul 07 22:00:03 novaterm Jul 07 22:00:04 man.. iApps almost all suck Jul 07 22:00:21 Okay, well here's a question ... Jul 07 22:00:28 We'll start with the small stuff first Jul 07 22:00:34 no visual feedback on button clicks. not app menu, no gestures.. im using an ipod touch but i cant imagine using an iphone after using my pre Jul 07 22:00:40 So the example app was called simple.cpp, and created simple after compiling Jul 07 22:00:57 My project is Main.cpp, and exported Main. I renamed it simple and tried to use the same script as the example Jul 07 22:00:59 awesome Jul 07 22:01:07 beavis and butthead new series! Jul 07 22:01:11 Would I need to set "main" to "Main", or keep it as "simple"? Jul 07 22:01:30 ? Jul 07 22:01:32 in appinfo.json Jul 07 22:01:39 whatever the name of the binary is Jul 07 22:01:48 it doesn't have to be the same as the .cpp btw Jul 07 22:01:49 i really hate not having a back gesture Jul 07 22:02:17 Okay, so if I rename the output file to "simple", then it should be "simple" in appinfo? Jul 07 22:02:25 yes Jul 07 22:02:29 yep Jul 07 22:03:08 Hmm, that's strange Jul 07 22:03:17 novaterm should be available from the command line, right? Jul 07 22:03:23 Or do I use putty to communicate with the phone? Jul 07 22:03:44 novaterm is not included but can be downloaded Jul 07 22:03:58 I've used putty to connect with the emulator on port 5522, but I haven't gotten it to work with the phone, even after installing the 1.4.5 webOS doctor and the dropbear library Jul 07 22:04:11 phone is 10022 Jul 07 22:04:17 or 1022 Jul 07 22:04:24 yeah 1022 looks right Jul 07 22:04:28 hah! Jul 07 22:04:31 Let's see this ... Jul 07 22:04:53 hm Jul 07 22:04:58 -sh: log: not found Jul 07 22:05:03 Is there no logger on the device? Jul 07 22:06:20 If I use the code that comes with the PDK, "plink -P 10022", etc Jul 07 22:06:24 It doesn't like the password Jul 07 22:06:35 If I use putty myself, and connect to 10022 myself, that is working now Jul 07 22:06:55 But I'm not sure what I can do, since it says log is not found Jul 07 22:07:38 still no 1.4.5.1 ? Jul 07 22:07:41 sad. Jul 07 22:07:46 was looking forward to it today Jul 07 22:07:54 http://www.mikeonads.com/2008/07/13/using-your-browser-url-history-estimate-gender/ Jul 07 22:09:25 well, it was right Jul 07 22:09:31 what percent? Jul 07 22:09:54 100% male Jul 07 22:10:08 really? Jul 07 22:10:15 i feel less manly Jul 07 22:10:18 lol Jul 07 22:10:19 i got 87% Jul 07 22:10:34 100% here too Jul 07 22:10:55 haha Jul 07 22:11:37 93%, my wife uses my browser sometimes Jul 07 22:11:46 I'm 50/50 Jul 07 22:11:57 ... but I guess that's because I use it half the time Jul 07 22:12:16 good cover Jul 07 22:12:19 lol Jul 07 22:12:36 The other 50% is probably all the times my wife visits Etsy :) Jul 07 22:13:20 dammit preware, why are the feeds not in an easy to parse format where I can just be like "bitch, parse!" Jul 07 22:13:26 So is there a logger on the phone? Jul 07 22:13:34 Can you SSH and call log, like normal? Jul 07 22:13:40 the feeds are in an easy to parse format Jul 07 22:13:49 Or do you need to use some other app on the device to get debug feedback Jul 07 22:13:51 check out packages.js and package.js, they parse it easily :) Jul 07 22:13:58 and they are in standard format for ipkg Jul 07 22:14:24 not easy enough. IE no effort Jul 07 22:14:49 name: value\n Jul 07 22:14:51 is not easy enough? Jul 07 22:14:55 no Jul 07 22:14:59 with two newlines between packages Jul 07 22:15:39 See, with the palm packages I just go feed=xml2object(xml), then feed.items.each Jul 07 22:15:48 easy peasy Jul 07 22:15:54 lol Jul 07 22:16:44 making another catalog? Jul 07 22:16:45 * haeffb wonders if pressing this "upgrade automatically" to WP 3.0 button was a mistake... Jul 07 22:16:57 elyon2: palm-log should get the phone log output Jul 07 22:17:03 You might be able to do transport.responseText.split ('\n\n') Jul 07 22:17:03 noish Jul 07 22:17:16 haeffb: are you running elegant themes? Jul 07 22:17:18 palm-log: not found Jul 07 22:17:18 its for an irc bot Jul 07 22:17:21 yep Jul 07 22:17:24 I think I'm connected to the phone ... Jul 07 22:17:28 haeffb: make sure you update your theme Jul 07 22:17:29 Putty on port 10022 Jul 07 22:17:36 then just put a tail on /var/log/messages Jul 07 22:17:39 seems to still be working so far Jul 07 22:17:41 irc bot running through feeds nice Jul 07 22:17:42 just copy the parser code from packages/package.js Jul 07 22:17:45 I meant palm-log works from the sdk install platform Jul 07 22:17:47 yeah Jul 07 22:18:10 Its only going to listen to two commands, which would be ~app and ~dev Jul 07 22:19:08 simple, but nice Jul 07 22:19:44 halfhalo_class: will it work by title or app id? or both? Jul 07 22:19:52 both Jul 07 22:19:56 nice Jul 07 22:20:50 well, it can't even parse the feeds xD Jul 07 22:21:01 it can parse the palm feeds Jul 07 22:21:10 its to good for the rest Jul 07 22:21:11 :p Jul 07 22:21:17 lol Jul 07 22:23:01 Hmm Jul 07 22:23:24 I'm tailing /var/log/messages, but nothing seems particularly useful Jul 07 22:23:57 It does say "CORE INF INF failed: unsupported limit" Jul 07 22:24:04 I'm not sure if that means anything Jul 07 22:24:52 elyon2: are you writing to Mojo.Log.info or Mojo.Log.error Jul 07 22:24:53 ? Jul 07 22:25:36 or, you are writing PDK apps, don't you specify your own stdout or something? Jul 07 22:26:51 Umm ... Jul 07 22:26:54 I have no idea :) Jul 07 22:27:02 It's a PDK app Jul 07 22:27:23 I've never tried logging an SDK app from the device ... I guess palm-log from a command line would let me do that? Jul 07 22:27:38 I'm just using putty to watch the phone, to try and figure out why the SDK app doesn't launch Jul 07 22:27:50 the icon highlights, but it doesn't open a stage or anything Jul 07 22:29:50 no idea about PDK apps...with regular mojo I can tail -f the messages | grep my.app.id....OR use palm-log -f my.app.id from the command line of the HOST machine Jul 07 22:30:00 if you use palm-log with the phone attached Jul 07 22:30:09 you have to set the level with palm-log first Jul 07 22:30:28 or you will only see info messages or error messages I forget which one Jul 07 22:30:52 but this works because Mojo apps and Mojo.Log.info or Mojo.Log.error always go to /var/log/messages Jul 07 22:30:55 webOS-info: how about palm emulator? Jul 07 22:30:55 palm emulator is awesome Jul 07 22:31:03 heh Jul 07 22:31:09 lol Jul 07 22:31:39 you could try conosle.log() and see if it goes to messages, but that's JS Jul 07 22:32:39 printf Jul 07 22:32:59 oh, it's that, then, is it? Jul 07 22:33:01 :P Jul 07 22:34:45 syslog Jul 07 22:35:31 tail -f /var/log/messages | grep the.app.id is working well Jul 07 22:35:33 :P Jul 07 22:35:51 And palm-log worked too, but I think it's providing nothing because the app doesn't explicitly call any log messages Jul 07 22:35:57 right Jul 07 22:36:04 zsoc! Jul 07 22:36:05 Hmm Jul 07 22:36:23 kesne: 'ello Jul 07 22:36:28 need to put some try/catch equivalents in and see what's happening Jul 07 22:37:35 exec (/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palmdts.app.simplepdk/simple,/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palmdts.app.simplepdk/simple (null) (null)) Jul 07 22:37:56 OH GOD THE NULLS! Jul 07 22:37:59 That's the last line it reports, after setting home and mounting various things Jul 07 22:38:04 Yeah! That's what I wonder :) Jul 07 22:38:07 THE NULLS! THEIR KILLING EVERYTHING! Jul 07 22:39:12 * haeffb uses null spray Jul 07 22:39:13 webOS-info: bananas Jul 07 22:39:13 * webOS-info goes bananas on sugardave Jul 07 22:39:17 more like "the nothing" Jul 07 22:39:54 * Tibfib wonders if he's the only one that tries to do shift+backspace on his computer Jul 07 22:40:28 webOS-info zsoc Jul 07 22:40:28 hmmm... zsoc is hungarian Jul 07 22:40:43 thot so Jul 07 22:40:43 .. is that a... fake infobot? Jul 07 22:40:44 :p Jul 07 22:43:38 omg Jul 07 22:43:52 stupid iphone apps Jul 07 22:44:02 your an iphone app Jul 07 22:44:06 theres no common order to things like screen rotation.. Jul 07 22:44:25 each one seems to choose their own.. weak! Jul 07 22:45:07 Does heat affect battery life? Jul 07 22:45:12 yes Jul 07 22:45:24 oh wait, you want an authorative answer Jul 07 22:45:25 nm Jul 07 22:45:31 so does using it Jul 07 22:46:02 halfhalo_class: YOUR A TROLL Jul 07 22:46:09 yup Jul 07 22:48:13 kesne: I believe that heat does affect battery life Jul 07 22:48:26 How much? Jul 07 22:48:28 just as cold does Jul 07 22:48:45 so does wirc Jul 07 22:49:03 kesne: I have no idea, wtf, I'm an amateur webOS developer, not a semiconductor expert Jul 07 22:49:24 wirc affects it A LOT. (in technical terms) Jul 07 22:49:38 haeffb: the PDK version of wirc is much nicer on your battery Jul 07 22:50:06 * haeffb patiently waiting on 1.4.5.1. Jul 07 22:50:06 haeffb: no watch D: Jul 07 22:50:07 Lies Jul 07 22:50:08 LIES Jul 07 22:50:10 kesne: how much heat are we talking? Jul 07 22:50:11 ITS ALL LIES Jul 07 22:50:27 zsoc: 100 degrees Jul 07 22:50:28 ok, not so patiently. but waiting nonetheless Jul 07 22:50:57 kesne: 100 degrees Fahrenheit? Jul 07 22:51:02 Though I'm talking about on a laptop Jul 07 22:51:03 And yes Jul 07 22:51:06 kesne: 100 MORE degrees? Jul 07 22:51:21 No, just 100 degrees f Jul 07 22:51:24 heh Jul 07 22:51:28 kesne: .... no. Jul 07 22:51:49 * zsoc|away notes the core temp of his laptop is currently 135 degrees Jul 07 22:51:50 No? It won't effect battery life? Jul 07 22:52:07 kesne: 100 degrees is barely warm by laptop standards Jul 07 22:52:12 Heh Jul 07 22:52:54 ok later Jul 07 22:52:55 But won't it be harder for it to disperse heat in 100 degree temp? Jul 07 22:53:12 kesne: wait are you saying it's 100 degrees /around/ the laptop? Jul 07 22:53:16 kesne: that is generally bad yes Jul 07 22:53:23 Why though? Jul 07 22:53:30 i would worry about your harddrive more than your battery Jul 07 22:53:49 your bits are getting all stretched out Jul 07 22:54:16 heh Jul 07 22:54:22 kesne: lithium ion batteries are intercalated Jul 07 22:54:40 Okay, because I know what that mans Jul 07 22:54:42 *means Jul 07 22:55:05 anybody use wptouch WP plugin? Jul 07 22:55:07 webOS-info: lmgtfy Jul 07 22:55:07 lmgtfy is go to http://www.google.com Jul 07 22:55:18 kesne: it would not affect a '1 time use' lithium, but the intercalated compound isn't as heat resistant Jul 07 22:55:37 I really wonder, with how badass the Notes app looks... why did palm give us such a dumbed down notes implementation? Jul 07 22:55:58 Notes is exactly the kind of app the native notes should have been Jul 07 22:56:27 kesne: in practicality, it means there's no good way to guess how exactly it would affect it in your individual case, especially since li-ion mechanism of functionality is so small Jul 07 22:56:41 Alright Jul 07 22:56:47 But in general, it's a bad idea? Jul 07 22:56:52 haeffb: I do Jul 07 22:57:10 1.9.x or wptouch pro ? Jul 07 22:57:48 1.9.x Jul 07 22:57:50 I'm cheap Jul 07 22:57:55 Loop, anivrom Jul 07 22:58:39 *look Jul 07 22:58:44 Hey guys, whats the syntax for adding array elements to array elements such as myArray[0].x = 30; myArray[0].y = 30. How would I set this up Jul 07 22:58:52 Hey KESNE! <3 Jul 07 22:59:03 webos-info: anivrom Jul 07 22:59:04 hmmm... anivrom is lame. Jul 07 22:59:07 ouch Jul 07 22:59:18 indeed Jul 07 22:59:28 Anyone have a answer to my question? Jul 07 22:59:32 Anivrom: this is assuming your array items are objects that have properties x and y? Jul 07 23:00:17 sugardave: Umm no... the array is a property of an already created object Jul 07 23:00:38 Syntax is object1 : { property1 : [ ]} Jul 07 23:00:53 I want property1 to have x and y properties Jul 07 23:01:06 then why an array and not an object? Jul 07 23:01:07 Is this possible in JS Jul 07 23:01:14 of course it is possible Jul 07 23:01:28 anything's possible with JS!! Jul 07 23:01:57 object1.property1[x] = 30; Jul 07 23:02:01 for instance Jul 07 23:02:02 For semantic purposes I want to hold the object1 object inside my enviroment object Jul 07 23:03:19 okay, I don't know what that means, but if I wanted an associative array of properties somewhere, I'd probably use an object instead Jul 07 23:03:24 My object is enviroment : {lights : [ ]} for instance. I want lights to have x and y properties such as lights[0].x Jul 07 23:03:26 or w/e Jul 07 23:03:45 oh Jul 07 23:03:47 like this Jul 07 23:04:16 environment.lights.push({x: 30, y: 30}); Jul 07 23:04:38 lights becomes an array of objects with x and y properties Jul 07 23:04:43 sweet Jul 07 23:04:51 Anivrom: this is assuming your array items are objects that have properties x and y? Jul 07 23:04:55 from earlier Jul 07 23:04:55 ;) Jul 07 23:05:36 Cause I wanna keep track of x,y coordinates for multiple copies of an object on the screen... the object would be lights and each lights array element would have its own x,y properties Jul 07 23:05:58 More specifically multiple images to be drawn to the screen Jul 07 23:07:20 so your code would accomplish this right? Jul 07 23:07:22 var environment = {}; Jul 07 23:07:30 environment.lights=[]; Jul 07 23:07:50 enviroment : {lights : [ ]} Jul 07 23:07:51 environment.lights[0].x=30; Jul 07 23:08:09 I don't have to declare the x property in any special way? just assign it? Jul 07 23:08:18 yeah, JS is really loosely typed Jul 07 23:08:30 sweet. so no funny stuff. Jul 07 23:08:33 MyObject.newVar = "hello"; MyObject.newVar = 10012; Jul 07 23:09:18 ok so basically just enviroment.lights[0].x = 40; without any need for x to be declared previously Jul 07 23:09:26 right Jul 07 23:09:33 good stuff. Jul 07 23:09:43 Btw hows that OAuth coming along? Jul 07 23:09:45 use my syntax to push a whole object when you know both x and y Jul 07 23:10:27 oauth, it's pretty much in the can for this as far as the 'does it work' phase Jul 07 23:10:38 now I'm making the app do things with data Jul 07 23:10:41 in the can meaning good to go? :P Jul 07 23:10:41 exciting stuff :P Jul 07 23:11:03 yeah, the initial request to access token stuff is working well Jul 07 23:11:04 If you are expecting values to be missing, you can later use if (environment.lights && environment.lights[0] && environment.lights[0].x) Jul 07 23:11:14 I'll need to go back and cover the error cases Jul 07 23:11:21 or if (environment.lights[0].x == undefined) Jul 07 23:11:27 but in 100% no-problem environment, it's working as designed Jul 07 23:11:35 a basic if () will check if the object exists or not Jul 07 23:11:43 undefined is a comparison operator? didnt know that Jul 07 23:11:55 I guess because its loosely typed Jul 07 23:12:27 well I don't have to worry about that cause if lights[i] exists then x.y will too since they will be declared at the same time via sugardaves code snippet Jul 07 23:12:40 You might have to use triple = sometimes, too, depending Jul 07 23:12:47 if ("hello") will eval to true Jul 07 23:12:50 Yea I found that out via jslint Jul 07 23:12:50 Since the value exists Jul 07 23:12:58 But if ("hello" === true) will be false Jul 07 23:13:57 In visual basic its a little more technical to get more properties inside array elements which is why I thought it would be more complicated Jul 07 23:14:54 ALWAYS USE === Jul 07 23:14:58 AND !== Jul 07 23:15:05 jslint wont let me use anything but Jul 07 23:15:10 checks type and value Jul 07 23:16:26 Anivrom: the beauty is that your array elements are just objects...and if you wanted to name your lights, you could just use a keyed array instead Jul 07 23:16:37 makes it easier to change their values Jul 07 23:16:55 * Anivrom watched that one fly over his head after keyed array was brought up Jul 07 23:17:01 like thyis Jul 07 23:17:02 this Jul 07 23:17:43 var newArray = new Array(); newArray['lightName'] = {x: 30, y: 40} Jul 07 23:17:47 instead of push Jul 07 23:18:19 Whats the benefit? custom labeling of array elements Jul 07 23:18:25 ? Jul 07 23:18:35 depends on what you're doing I suppose Jul 07 23:18:49 if you want to change x or y for an arbitrary element, how do you do it? Jul 07 23:18:52 I would think that is quite a specific use but handy in some circumstances Jul 07 23:19:14 Hmm true enough Jul 07 23:19:21 you can loop through Jul 07 23:19:30 but that sucks Jul 07 23:19:33 you'd have to declare a property of each element gicving it a name and loop Jul 07 23:20:46 the benefit of that is you can loop like normal by using the counter as the index Jul 07 23:21:02 If you name the element such as your example you couldnt could you? Jul 07 23:21:28 for (index in newArray) {...} Jul 07 23:21:53 I know but var newArray = new Array(); newArray['lightName'] = {x: 30, y: 40} means there is no numeric index correct? Jul 07 23:22:03 right Jul 07 23:22:11 so you couldnt loop through that array Jul 07 23:22:17 yes you can Jul 07 23:22:24 haeffb just had it Jul 07 23:22:55 So it has both a character and numeric index at the same time? Jul 07 23:23:12 but you have to be careful, because for (x in y) will loop thru all the properties of the object, include properties in the object's prototype. Jul 07 23:23:18 not per index, no Jul 07 23:23:41 so you use something like if (newArray.hasOwnProperty(index) {...} Jul 07 23:23:51 herm not getting this... say you define the first element [0] to be named "first" and try and loop through your array in the loop Jul 07 23:24:17 discombobulate: theres a weekly limit on cap codes? Jul 07 23:24:34 how can you tell what app/stage is displayed at one time? Jul 07 23:24:50 in the loop you could not use a numeric counter as the index in the parent array Jul 07 23:25:02 i mean, how do i see if stageA is on screen or not? Jul 07 23:25:47 Is there a method to get the total number of elements in an array? I can't see it in any array tutorials Jul 07 23:25:58 it's not a numeric counter Jul 07 23:25:59 Should I just keep a global counter? Jul 07 23:26:06 array.length Jul 07 23:26:12 ty :) Jul 07 23:27:02 Btw is there alot of lag issues when using multiple interval Timers and if so whats the number where it starts to become a problem Jul 07 23:27:02 instead of for (index in newArray) {...} maybe it helps if I say for (name in newArray) {...} Jul 07 23:27:13 and understand that newArray.name1 is the same as newArray[name1] Jul 07 23:27:37 Right I get that part but if you wanted to loop through newArray and not name1 Jul 07 23:27:46 anybody having issues with Templarian's webOS add-on for Komodo? Jul 07 23:28:47 I read in the developer page that there's alot of overhead with using multiple interval timers, anyone encounter this? Jul 07 23:28:49 bryan, whats the prob? Jul 07 23:29:09 I'm currently using 3 and it will prolly go up, although only 1 is a fast timer and teh other ones are +5 seconds each Jul 07 23:29:26 my main loop is 20 or so a second Jul 07 23:29:36 dawm|laptop: I can't package, install, and open my app on the emulator (v1.4.5) Jul 07 23:29:54 what os Jul 07 23:30:07 1.4.5.465 Jul 07 23:30:07 i use komodo and the addon in windows and on mac with zero issues Jul 07 23:30:13 no i mean what OS are you running Jul 07 23:30:17 lol Jul 07 23:30:20 xp Jul 07 23:30:38 can you run the palm tool from the commandline? Jul 07 23:31:09 i dont know how the addon does its magic, but if it uses the commandline tools and they arent in your PATH its not gonna work Jul 07 23:31:52 aye, thanks for pointing that out, I did install the SDK to a different drive * do'h * Jul 07 23:32:58 was that the problem? Jul 07 23:33:19 that would do it Jul 07 23:35:08 actually, the path variables never got changed Jul 07 23:35:23 oh well, changing them... * shrugs * Jul 07 23:38:20 so did everyone get their winnings from the hotapps contest? Jul 07 23:38:29 no Jul 07 23:38:34 Did you get something dawm? Jul 07 23:38:35 ok good Jul 07 23:38:38 no i didnt Jul 07 23:38:42 but i saw a bunch of tweets Jul 07 23:38:46 How much are you gonna get though? Jul 07 23:38:53 1k? Jul 07 23:38:54 1k Jul 07 23:38:55 nice Jul 07 23:38:59 which app Jul 07 23:39:11 Swap&Drop (aka PreJeweled) Jul 07 23:39:16 Anivrom: for (x in newArray) will loop through all properties in newArray Jul 07 23:39:37 its horribly neglected, i need to work on it again, thinking of doing a complete rewrite Jul 07 23:39:48 was my first app and first real use of js Jul 07 23:39:55 dawm|laptop: I know how you feel Jul 07 23:39:55 anybody know how to get Mojo to tell you what app is primary on screen? (so you can see if yours isn't) Jul 07 23:39:58 Ok so what I said earlier, the label or an element doesn't affect the ability to loop through the array and still read that labeled element by index Jul 07 23:40:03 so its coding is horrible Jul 07 23:40:12 dawm|laptop: i haven't Jul 07 23:40:24 compared to ringwhere or mycokerewards, swap&drop looks like it shouldnt even work Jul 07 23:40:25 label of* Jul 07 23:40:38 i know the drag function works.. but its totally not how they intended it to be used heh Jul 07 23:41:03 you can't go by "index" where index = 0, 1, 2 Jul 07 23:41:07 Care to explain how you used it compared to how its intendex? Jul 07 23:41:25 the days just arent long enough for me to get everything done i need to get done Jul 07 23:41:38 so if you labeled the first element "first" you can't also point to it by array[0]? Jul 07 23:41:41 dawm|laptop: that's why they make multiple days Jul 07 23:41:46 no, you can't Jul 07 23:41:58 it's array['first'] Jul 07 23:42:00 dawm|laptop: yeah, I hear ya Jul 07 23:42:02 man Jul 07 23:42:03 ah so that sucks... you can't use labeled array elements in loops Jul 07 23:42:18 you can use loops, just not by an integer index. Jul 07 23:42:18 webos is so superior to iOS.. but people just dont see it Jul 07 23:42:38 right... but then you have to have some way of being able to point to the text label in a loop Jul 07 23:42:44 i keep flicking and gesturing on my itouch and it doesnt do anything :( Jul 07 23:42:47 for (x in array) Jul 07 23:42:50 dawm|laptop: yea really Jul 07 23:43:03 Ugh nvm. Going in circles. Jul 07 23:43:04 most apps dont have UI feedback when pressing buttons Jul 07 23:43:09 dawm|laptop: from alot of angles Ares makes the iOS dev experience look lame too... even if more from a tech viewpoint atm ... Jul 07 23:43:20 if (x === 'first') doSomething Jul 07 23:43:35 if (x === 'second') doSomethingElse Jul 07 23:43:39 right... so you need a table for the loop which is cycle intensive Jul 07 23:43:54 rather have numberic indexes and just remember :P Jul 07 23:44:02 remember which is which Jul 07 23:44:16 no, you don't need a table Jul 07 23:44:22 you need an if tabnle Jul 07 23:44:23 table Jul 07 23:44:24 adios all Jul 07 23:45:10 no, you pass the "name" to the function and if x === name, do aweseome stuff Jul 07 23:45:21 plus you would have to know what each label is so you can hardcode it into the if otherwise you have to setup an array just for the labels lol Jul 07 23:45:26 somehow you have to know which thing you're dealing with Jul 07 23:45:41 which defeats the purpose imo Jul 07 23:45:56 I'd rather just do clever code dealing with the counter and index Jul 07 23:47:09 * torchie Updates Jul 07 23:47:18 * torchie refresh refresh refresh Jul 07 23:48:39 Anivrom: the if (x === 'first') was just an example Jul 07 23:48:41 http://www.w3schools.com/js/js_loop_for_in.asp Jul 07 23:49:06 for (x in object) will loop through ALL properties of an object Jul 07 23:49:12 with x as the property name Jul 07 23:49:16 one by one Jul 07 23:49:58 I get that :P I know how to use for statements, we're just not understanding each other on the custom label of array elements bit Jul 07 23:50:10 So don't worry about it, doesn't sound like something I would need to implement anyways Jul 07 23:50:11 :) Jul 08 00:09:55 hmm is there a scroll region widget kinda like a div where it handles scrolling routines? Jul 08 00:10:16 hey we have a handful of SoCal devs in here right? Jul 08 00:10:24 and a handful around san diego Jul 08 00:10:33 how was that quake just now? :) Jul 08 00:10:41 i felt it all the way up in santa monica Jul 08 00:16:37 Anivrom: scroller Jul 08 00:17:08 ah. and that supports horizontal scrolling as well? Jul 08 00:19:13 Nvm got the answer.. guess I should have RTFM Jul 08 00:19:54 wow, palm pre plus beating the droid... http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/07/palm-pre-plus-to-square-off-vs-htc-incredible-in-laptop-mags-world-cup-mania/ Jul 08 00:32:17 Does anyone know what "Error: Could not load module" could be caused by? Jul 08 00:32:28 It's a runtime error of a C++ application, run directly from /media/internal Jul 08 00:32:45 elyon: seems to happen when it can't load a module: hope that helps :) Jul 08 00:34:00 hah Jul 08 00:34:32 I'm a complete C++ newbie, so I don't know if this would be an error in how things were linked, or if I missed a flag, or ... Jul 08 00:34:55 seems like it could be caused by a lot of different things, without understanding it well Jul 08 00:35:13 did you try googling the error in quotes? Jul 08 00:38:22 how long does it take an app to show up in the catalog after it's been published? Jul 08 00:40:25 day or so Jul 08 00:40:40 * torchie updates Jul 08 00:40:43 * torchie refresh! Jul 08 00:40:49 does it cost 50 bucks to submit a free (non open source) app as well? Jul 08 00:41:01 really? i thought my wait was almost over Jul 08 00:41:25 do they just update the feed to the phones every so often? Jul 08 00:42:37 Approvals tend to take two to three days Jul 08 00:42:42 But recently its been slower Jul 08 00:42:48 My last update has been waiting for 8 days Jul 08 00:42:52 what's the app catalog approval process like? Jul 08 00:42:59 It doesn't cost anything to submit apps anymore Jul 08 00:43:06 oh really?? Jul 08 00:43:19 Mostly makes sure you don't have back buttons, aren't using private APIs, and to make sure you are following the basic terms of service stuff Jul 08 00:43:23 sweet.. is that a permanent change or just promo like the dev fee waive Jul 08 00:43:30 Permanent, that I know of Jul 08 00:43:38 No developer fee, ever, no submission fee Jul 08 00:43:41 mine was awaiting review, now it says published Jul 08 00:43:44 They refunded all the fees they charged Jul 08 00:43:52 Oh, okay. If its your first app, you should see it in a day Jul 08 00:44:10 If its already installed, you will probably be able to update it soon, but the app catalog will not be updated in its description for about a day Jul 08 00:44:45 cool, does it show up for everyone at once or is it a downloaded list that only updates to the phone every once in a while? Jul 08 00:45:21 i know metrix desn't see it yet Jul 08 00:45:56 every day Jul 08 00:46:08 If it shows as published today, it should show up for everyone tomorrow Jul 08 00:46:23 nicee Jul 08 00:46:27 That's how it normally works Jul 08 00:46:36 If it shows up as published, you can pretty much open up the catalog and and click the cart button and update the app there Jul 08 00:46:38 It will show up under "newest apps", and when you search for it Jul 08 00:46:44 Right Jul 08 00:47:01 I've updated a beta app and within minutes the update has been available on my pre Jul 08 00:48:14 nice Jul 08 00:48:45 Yeah, it is slick. I love the beta feeds. The last perfect step would be a password option Jul 08 00:51:33 so i should start seeing download counts in 3-5 days then Jul 08 00:51:59 assuming people download it Jul 08 00:52:05 heh, yeah Jul 08 00:53:40 hey, i'm listed in "whats new" Jul 08 00:54:45 i reset my pre, i guess that refreshed the list Jul 08 00:56:23 EmmettLollis: i noticed it earlier when I was browsing the catalog Jul 08 00:56:38 oh sweet Jul 08 00:56:45 metrix still doesn't see it Jul 08 00:56:59 it only sees the unpublished version Jul 08 00:58:43 soon, i'll be rich... a hundredare Jul 08 01:02:24 lol Jul 08 01:03:09 haha Jul 08 01:03:10 http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/dogreactionvivuzela.gif Jul 08 01:05:00 dawm|laptop: heh, I saw that on youtube Jul 08 01:05:10 whatevs ;p Jul 08 01:05:23 it is better on youtube Jul 08 01:06:20 metrix has issue i swear Jul 08 01:06:27 its reporting a version i havent even made yet Jul 08 01:08:02 slimphoria. nice! Jul 08 01:08:20 you've invented time travel Jul 08 01:08:22 rejoice Jul 08 01:09:29 one thing ive noticed about the app store (apple) their free app suck and theres not enough free apps that do stuff.. unlike webos Jul 08 01:10:34 Ugh don't you hate it when your app won't start but the log viewer is devoid of errors... now I have to track it down blind Jul 08 01:10:59 Anivrom: extra comman in appinfo.json ? Jul 08 01:11:01 comma Jul 08 01:11:13 I don't edit the json file, im using ares Jul 08 01:11:23 ugh. Jul 08 01:11:26 :D Jul 08 01:11:28 haeffb: it wont package with a bad appinfo.json Jul 08 01:11:57 nice, my app is on one device and 2 pre's Jul 08 01:12:00 * haeffb can't purchase slimphoria Jul 08 01:12:41 Anivrom: your app won't launch, but "tail -f /var/log/messages" won't tell you why? Jul 08 01:12:54 Hey all Jul 08 01:13:00 hi kesne Jul 08 01:13:18 i know haeffb... $50 is kind of steep for an app Jul 08 01:13:55 What app? Jul 08 01:13:57 lemketron: how would I access that if I'm using ares Jul 08 01:14:01 my app Jul 08 01:14:11 Go to the log viewer Jul 08 01:14:11 Slimphoria Tracker Jul 08 01:14:13 and show the system log Jul 08 01:14:18 50 cents Jul 08 01:14:45 oh someone with verizon has it Jul 08 01:14:53 i made a sale!! Jul 08 01:14:55 lemketron: nope, nothing in system either. Jul 08 01:15:29 Have you tried any of the ares tutorials? Jul 08 01:15:36 nope....catalog won't let me purchase it Jul 08 01:15:39 Tried them for what? Jul 08 01:15:44 EmmettLollis: Is it in the main cat? Jul 08 01:15:54 to build an app and verify that it launches Jul 08 01:16:05 https://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/userguide.html Jul 08 01:16:10 kesne yes Jul 08 01:16:18 I can't seem to find it Jul 08 01:16:19 link? Jul 08 01:16:50 lol, I've been working on this app for about 4 days, it's launched hundreds of times, it stopped working after adding some code, but no errors. It won't update canvas but displays the html objects Jul 08 01:17:11 it's under new apps in the catalog... not sure how to find a link for it Jul 08 01:17:24 Oh... "displays the html objects" -- I thought you said it wasn't launching. Jul 08 01:17:46 lemketron: oops, yea that was kinda misleading Jul 08 01:18:09 I thought you said $50 Jul 08 01:18:42 * lemketron has to head home... Jul 08 01:18:55 heh i was joking Jul 08 01:19:05 it's perfectly ok to assign multiple objects the same zIndex right? Jul 08 01:19:08 its 50 cents Jul 08 01:20:40 i have 3 users, one is me Jul 08 01:23:27 :/ Jul 08 01:23:31 no irc client for ipad.... Jul 08 01:23:42 well,no free irc Jul 08 01:23:55 start coding :P Jul 08 01:24:03 colloquy's not free? Jul 08 01:24:37 1.99 Jul 08 01:24:49 wirc ftw :) Jul 08 01:25:02 rgr that. Jul 08 01:25:33 heh, just going to code an interface for my existing irc thing Jul 08 01:26:34 got to run for a bit... bbiab Jul 08 01:27:51 wish the pre had a dedicated camera button.. Jul 08 01:27:54 oil: what are you doing here? Jul 08 01:28:05 My parents just put you in my car Jul 08 01:28:24 aww, colloquy is free on mac Jul 08 01:28:30 oil: is wIRC going to be free? Jul 08 01:28:37 its in preware! Jul 08 01:28:38 wirc already is free Jul 08 01:28:40 I use Colloquy Jul 08 01:28:43 adium Jul 08 01:28:45 well yes. the catalog version Jul 08 01:28:53 oh Jul 08 01:29:00 It'll be $1000 Jul 08 01:29:07 i think we were gonna do .99 in the catalog Jul 08 01:29:10 :O Jul 08 01:29:20 Why would I pay for it when I can get it for free? Jul 08 01:29:22 good, you deserve some money Jul 08 01:29:26 to support development Jul 08 01:29:36 I'll buy it. Jul 08 01:29:37 Ha Jul 08 01:29:41 I won't Jul 08 01:29:54 well, kesne is a jerk, so, no surprise there Jul 08 01:30:01 Because i'm a REAL american! Jul 08 01:30:22 Damn straight kense! Jul 08 01:30:55 Tibfib: Quick question on the timer sync... In 'real life' can you set the timer callback that low? I thought the limit was 5 minutes. That not true anymore.? Jul 08 01:31:22 Roy-Pre101: hmmm, what are you referring to? Jul 08 01:31:34 http://webos101.com/Alarms Jul 08 01:31:47 the alarm service is min of 5 mins Jul 08 01:31:51 You can only set it to IN of 5 mins Jul 08 01:31:55 at can be whenever Jul 08 01:33:02 Roy-Pre101: is that what you were wondering? Jul 08 01:33:09 Look, it's a dkirker! Jul 08 01:33:26 yes it is Jul 08 01:33:37 'evening everyone Jul 08 01:33:38 palm has said they are pushing the in minimum lower soon so it can be easier to test. Jul 08 01:33:40 Tibfib: Yes, that article says 'for testing, set delay to .5 minutes. Jul 08 01:33:58 Which I thought wouldn't work. Jul 08 01:34:25 Or are you saying 'in' requires 5 minutes but 'at' can be anything? Jul 08 01:34:39 That's correct Jul 08 01:34:58 Intriguing! Jul 08 01:35:09 I should add that to that page. Jul 08 01:35:22 You should test to make sure but I'm pretty sure that's right Jul 08 01:36:59 I will definitely test it. Any idea what the response lag is on the alarm? Jul 08 01:37:07 Man, I just can't figure out why my app halts after drawing the html elements and never gets to the canvas code. It doesn't throw ANY errors.... Jul 08 01:37:23 Anivrom: wrap it in a try/catch Jul 08 01:37:30 Anivrom: Are you sure? What oil said... Jul 08 01:37:51 wrap what in a try catch? my code is 800 lines across 4 js files :S Jul 08 01:37:54 or if you're testing on-device Jul 08 01:37:57 PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgrJS debug Jul 08 01:38:01 before you tail the log Jul 08 01:38:02 I only test on device atm. Jul 08 01:38:13 I'm using ARES I don't know what all that is Jul 08 01:38:32 Anivrom: Use the ares debugger on the emulator. you can step through the code if you have to. Jul 08 01:38:35 bah, stupid error handling...who needs it? Jul 08 01:38:54 oil: Can you add the pmlogctl thing to webos101.com? Jul 08 01:38:57 Currently my emulator freezes on command line loading. Jul 08 01:39:04 oh, im sure i could Jul 08 01:39:16 but, that sounds like a bunch of work Jul 08 01:39:17 lol Jul 08 01:39:22 i dont even have an account Jul 08 01:39:37 I mean freezes while loading the command line bootup stuff. Gotta restart then Jul 08 01:39:54 maybe here: http://webos101.com/Best_Practices Jul 08 01:40:07 Should make a debugging page, I guess. Jul 08 01:40:55 WHAT? you can log(var, object)? Jul 08 01:41:17 what? Jul 08 01:41:17 * oil always uses alert()l Jul 08 01:41:19 lol Jul 08 01:41:42 check out the best practices link Jul 08 01:41:52 yeah Jul 08 01:42:08 I just added some stuff to best practices Jul 08 01:42:11 i usually for x in object alert object[x] Jul 08 01:42:13 But I didn't add that line from Oil. Jul 08 01:42:22 I guess I could stick it there as-is. Jul 08 01:42:31 yeah, I don't use that %j thing Jul 08 01:42:39 but you can Jul 08 01:42:51 Roy-Pre101: I'm going to add the ares logger Jul 08 01:42:58 OK. Jul 08 01:43:13 If you're in there, add this to the debugging on device: PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgrJS debug Jul 08 01:43:24 Tibfib: add 'PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgrJS debug' command too :) Jul 08 01:43:28 I figured out why my PDK app isn't running Jul 08 01:43:31 oil: Is that only for the device? Jul 08 01:43:37 elyon: Yay? Jul 08 01:43:39 It says "cannot load module nme@nme_filter_image__2 Jul 08 01:43:50 I know that the name of the code is specific to my project ... Jul 08 01:43:58 But maybe someone knows what might cause that type of problem? Jul 08 01:43:59 what is hte ares debugger url? Jul 08 01:44:05 Roy-Pre101: i think so Jul 08 01:44:08 If it was linked wrong, or compiled wrong, or ... Jul 08 01:44:10 i think the emu is always at debug Jul 08 01:44:16 for logging Jul 08 01:45:52 I'm a big C++ newbie, so I don't know what to look for Jul 08 01:49:26 Tibfib: It's on the Ares page Jul 08 01:49:32 (on webos101.com Jul 08 01:49:33 ) Jul 08 01:52:04 * torchie update refresh etc. Jul 08 01:52:05 :( Jul 08 01:57:53 no word on update yet huh? Jul 08 01:58:10 I don't know why it isn't available yet... Jul 08 01:58:41 :/ Jul 08 02:08:07 Bell doesn't have teh 1.4.5 update yet :( Jul 08 02:09:19 neither does sprint Jul 08 02:09:29 maybe the guy who was about to press the OTA button got shot Jul 08 02:09:52 by an apple exec Jul 08 02:10:02 sniped by jobs Jul 08 02:10:35 Sniped with the onboard gun i'm sure the iphone 4g has somewhere behind a backdoor Jul 08 02:10:49 'backdoor' Jul 08 02:31:22 Hey all Jul 08 02:31:25 Anivrom! Jul 08 02:31:56 webos-info: anivrom Jul 08 02:31:56 anivrom is best friends with Kesne. Jul 08 02:32:08 Well in that case, How's it going anivrom! Jul 08 02:42:38 is dawm here? Jul 08 02:42:39 lol Finally got these glitches worked out, im on the road again! Jul 08 02:42:46 no Jul 08 02:42:47 dawm|laptop maybe? Jul 08 02:42:48 Oh Jul 08 02:50:37 Anybody want to beta test? Jul 08 02:50:43 what's the deal sprint :( Jul 08 02:50:44 depends on the app Jul 08 02:50:52 Anivrom: a gam! Jul 08 02:50:56 Count me in Jul 08 02:50:57 s/gam/game Jul 08 02:51:05 torchie: What? Jul 08 02:51:11 i'll beta test a gam Jul 08 02:51:37 I saw the news that said sprint's releasing 1.4.5.1 update today Jul 08 02:51:49 zsoc: Will you test a game? Jul 08 02:51:54 torchie: rumors mate Jul 08 02:51:56 kesne: not as interesting Jul 08 02:52:10 zsoc: damn, well okay then Jul 08 02:52:11 mak gam Jul 08 02:52:17 tst gam Jul 08 02:52:36 gam is jive slang for leg Jul 08 02:54:02 gnite folks Jul 08 02:56:34 discombobulate, inform me of what the weekly limit is for cap codes so i can implement something Jul 08 02:59:47 hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 02:59:57 2010