**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 12 02:59:57 2010
Jul 12 03:04:28 <kesne> Hey all!
Jul 12 03:05:07 <Anivrom> word up
Jul 12 03:05:46 <torchie> ey dawg
Jul 12 03:12:11 <Anivrom> Mmmmnn pomegranite seeds in a bowl
Jul 12 03:15:09 <torchie> pomegranate hell yeah
Jul 12 03:15:27 <torchie> OMG tweed shows followers
Jul 12 03:15:29 <Anivrom> They were on sale, 1 dollar for a bad of them
Jul 12 03:15:36 <Anivrom> bag*
Jul 12 03:29:26 <EmmettLollis> if you update info on an app it stays in the catalog while they approve the changes right?
Jul 12 03:31:10 <Tibfib> yes
Jul 12 03:34:54 <EmmettLollis> sweet
Jul 12 03:46:42 <EmmettLollis> wow, 125 web pages mention my app
Jul 12 03:47:05 <EmmettLollis> even a tiger woods page lol
Jul 12 03:47:54 <kesne> How do you know?
Jul 12 03:50:02 <Wolvenhaven> so i know this is totally off topic, but do any of you guys brew beer?
Jul 12 03:50:23 <Anivrom> Wanted to. its uber cheap to do it that way
Jul 12 03:50:36 <Wolvenhaven> i just bought a full kit for it
Jul 12 03:50:39 <kesne> Just added a new feature to checkers
Jul 12 03:51:15 <Anivrom> kesne: moving pieces? I might actually download it now!
Jul 12 03:51:17 <Anivrom> :P
Jul 12 03:51:18 <kesne> Tap a username in the chat area and you can PM them
Jul 12 03:51:28 <Anivrom> nice feature.
Jul 12 03:51:32 <kesne> Just a handy little way to get stuff done faster
Jul 12 03:51:42 <kesne> Before you had to do it in the list of users
Jul 12 03:51:48 <kesne> Now you don't have to
Jul 12 03:51:58 <kesne> I'm also working on making the list searchable
Jul 12 03:52:14 <kesne> And eventually add a friend system, but that's a while out
Jul 12 03:59:49 <Anivrom> Hmm any idea why this code isnt working? I works in my code at another location O_o
Jul 12 03:59:55 <Anivrom> this.Status.ZZZCoord.push({
Jul 12 03:59:55 <Anivrom> 				x: 0,
Jul 12 03:59:55 <Anivrom> 				y: 0,
Jul 12 03:59:55 <Anivrom> 				leftright: 1
Jul 12 04:00:09 <Anivrom> })
Jul 12 04:00:22 <Anivrom> says X is not defined
Jul 12 04:00:22 <BigBiff> ;
Jul 12 04:01:48 <Anivrom> nvm fixe.d
Jul 12 04:03:35 <Anivrom> haeffb: That emulator hack worked
Jul 12 04:06:10 <Anivrom> somewhat...
Jul 12 04:08:16 <BigBiff> ahh haeffb, sand and surf treating you well?
Jul 12 04:08:46 * BigBiff is terribly jealous
Jul 12 04:42:18 <Anivrom> goodnight
Jul 12 05:09:16 <benklop> hi, asked this over in webos-internals but it looks like this is really the right place..
Jul 12 05:09:30 <benklop>  i'm thinking about writing an app to control a mythtv frontend, i'm wondering - can an app connect to some random port at some random address and send/recieve info from it? telnet..
Jul 12 05:09:48 <benklop>   if I use the PDK, can I still do the rest of the app using the sdk? (in html/js?)
Jul 12 05:10:09 <benklop> i thought there was some sort of limitation there
Jul 12 05:10:14 <EmmettLollis> you can mix and match PDK i believe though i dont know if its elegible for the contest
Jul 12 05:10:53 <benklop> at the moment i dont care about the contest.. this will be for personal use first :)
Jul 12 05:11:24 <EmmettLollis> i've heard that some people use ajax to communicate
Jul 12 05:11:24 <benklop> no way theres enough mythtv ppl out there that use webos to make this a winner
Jul 12 05:11:36 <EmmettLollis> you never know
Jul 12 05:12:24 <benklop> use ajax? to communicate with a port that is running a telnet type interface?
Jul 12 05:12:37 <halfhalo> make a server component
Jul 12 05:12:41 <EmmettLollis> dont know enough about that part
Jul 12 05:14:45 <benklop> halfhalo: i guess that would work, but it needs to talk to a server installed within a private network using an insecure protocol - it would need to be a server component installed and running inside the private network or on the firewall at least
Jul 12 05:15:19 <EmmettLollis> i have a question: does palm have any widgets for apps that aren't in the hot apps contest?
Jul 12 05:16:15 <BigBiff> what do you mean?
Jul 12 05:16:40 <EmmettLollis> under the "promote your app" stuff in the contest they have a widget you can embed on your website
Jul 12 05:16:50 <EmmettLollis> kind of like a facebook badge
Jul 12 05:16:53 <BigBiff> aaahhhhhhh
Jul 12 05:17:02 <kesne> Hey all
Jul 12 05:17:05 <kesne> I need some help
Jul 12 05:17:12 <EmmettLollis> whats up kesne
Jul 12 05:17:13 <kesne> I've got a filterList, but it isn't working
Jul 12 05:17:14 <BigBiff> no clue
Jul 12 05:17:19 <EmmettLollis> i need help also... mental help
Jul 12 05:17:20 <oil> lol
Jul 12 05:17:35 <kesne> Well, it's working
Jul 12 05:17:40 <BigBiff> kesne: ok
Jul 12 05:17:44 <kesne> But it isn't updating
Jul 12 05:18:09 <kesne> I have a loop that updates the content, and I guess that Filter Lists don't like lists that update lots?
Jul 12 05:18:25 <kesne> Or am I mistaken?
Jul 12 05:18:35 * oil has never used a filter list in any of his apps
Jul 12 05:18:38 <BigBiff> you can update filterlists all you want
Jul 12 05:18:42 <EmmettLollis> are you calling ListChanged?
Jul 12 05:18:57 <kesne> oil: preware?
Jul 12 05:19:01 <EmmettLollis> i think thats the method
Jul 12 05:19:02 <kesne> No, what's that?
Jul 12 05:19:04 <oil> 0 filter lists
Jul 12 05:19:07 <BigBiff> call the filter function directly
Jul 12 05:19:13 <kesne> oil: really?
Jul 12 05:19:17 <oil> really
Jul 12 05:19:57 <BigBiff> oil, you kinda made ur own version of a filterlist right?
Jul 12 05:20:07 <oil> cause i couldn't get it to work
Jul 12 05:20:08 <kesne> I try to update the content in the list, but it won't update
Jul 12 05:20:08 <oil> lol
Jul 12 05:20:42 <BigBiff> kesne: webos 101 spells it out pretty well
Jul 12 05:20:47 <kesne> I know
Jul 12 05:20:53 <kesne> but I can't get it working
Jul 12 05:21:00 <kesne> I update the list using this: this.newmodelatt.items = jsonData.users;
Jul 12 05:21:00 <kesne> 		this.controller.modelChanged(this.newmodelatt);
Jul 12 05:21:03 <oil> kesne never learned how to fix his own problems through google :)
Jul 12 05:21:09 * oil tried to teach him
Jul 12 05:21:14 <oil> but his googlefu was too weak
Jul 12 05:21:27 <kesne> I tried to google this
Jul 12 05:21:29 <BigBiff> modelChanged won't work
Jul 12 05:21:30 <oil> lol\
Jul 12 05:21:34 <kesne> Why not?
Jul 12 05:21:41 <oil> i remember reading something like that
Jul 12 05:21:44 <kesne> How should I update it?
Jul 12 05:21:46 <oil> after you change hte model, don't call modelChanged
Jul 12 05:21:50 <oil> but call the filter function directly
Jul 12 05:21:55 <kesne> Okay
Jul 12 05:22:01 <oil> or so i read
Jul 12 05:22:03 <oil> never used it
Jul 12 05:22:21 <Amaranth> Writing code to draw filled arcs is way too much fun
Jul 12 05:22:28 <kesne> So call this.filterFunction(this);?
Jul 12 05:22:46 <oil> idk
Jul 12 05:23:02 <kesne> That didn't work
Jul 12 05:23:06 <halfhalo> oil: question:  where the hell does wirc parse returned whois commands...
Jul 12 05:23:16 <oil> uh
Jul 12 05:23:21 <oil> the nick object?
Jul 12 05:23:24 <kesne> BigBiff: Ideas?
Jul 12 05:23:31 <Amaranth> You calculate the position of the segments you're going to draw to fake the arc then use them as coordinates for a triangle fan and bam, filled arc
Jul 12 05:25:13 <oil> last time i tried arcs in webos canvas it didn't work good
Jul 12 05:25:22 <oil> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Drawing_shapes#arc_example
Jul 12 05:25:29 <oil> made http://i27.tinypic.com/2vakp5f.png
Jul 12 05:26:08 <halfhalo> oil: thanks.  Now i have to find where you split up the crap to params… :/
Jul 12 05:26:38 * oil wonders how much of halfhalos irc thing is copy/paste from wirc :)
Jul 12 05:26:46 <halfhalo> 80%
Jul 12 05:26:51 <halfhalo> no, wait, 90%
Jul 12 05:26:56 <halfhalo> :p
Jul 12 05:26:59 <oil> lol
Jul 12 05:27:04 <halfhalo> naw, just the regex
Jul 12 05:27:13 <halfhalo> since i suck at it
Jul 12 05:27:24 <oil> lol
Jul 12 05:29:29 <halfhalo> ok, no idea where the hell it is…  guessing time!
Jul 12 05:29:43 <oil> where what is?
Jul 12 05:29:49 <halfhalo> the regex
Jul 12 05:30:01 <oil> its just the numeric events
Jul 12 05:30:07 <oil> a few in the 300 range
Jul 12 05:30:11 <oil> we send to nick.js
Jul 12 05:30:45 <halfhalo> yeah, got that, but where do you split it up into params
Jul 12 05:31:28 <oil> they're the same as every event
Jul 12 05:31:51 <halfhalo> yeah, im trying to find it
Jul 12 05:33:19 <halfhalo> I think getting the whois stuff parsed is my last big thing thats not done before I start to work on the new client for wargames
Jul 12 05:35:57 <halfhalo> OR I can cheat and just split the string by spaces and ignore the is logged in as portion of the program
Jul 12 05:36:23 <BigBiff_pre> wow I was just typing away
Jul 12 05:36:45 <BigBiff_pre> not knowing the 404 was apongst me
Jul 12 05:36:48 <EmmettLollis> brb reboot
Jul 12 05:37:28 <BigBiff_pre> kesne: did you get it?
Jul 12 05:38:18 <BigBiff_pre> I blame oil for disconnection
Jul 12 05:38:22 <kesne> BigBiff_pre: I gave up
Jul 12 05:38:23 <halfhalo> same
Jul 12 05:38:36 <oil> 030 supports 404
Jul 12 05:38:36 <kesne> It's the 6th time I've tried to add it in
Jul 12 05:38:46 <kesne> The issue is that it doesn't look right
Jul 12 05:38:48 <halfhalo> 404filenotfound
Jul 12 05:39:03 <kesne> I figure that adding in my "Profile Finder" will do the trick
Jul 12 05:39:12 <oil> http://www.mirc.net/raws/?view=404
Jul 12 05:39:26 <oil> "Returned when you try to send a message to a channel, but the server refuses to let you send the message due to channel MODE settings. When this reply is returned, nothing is seen on the channel to indicate you attempted to say something. "
Jul 12 05:39:35 <halfhalo> ohhh…. yeah, mine just goes FAIL
Jul 12 05:39:51 <BigBiff_pre> I was saying (as I was disconnected), webos 101 leaves off a few things
Jul 12 05:39:51 <oil> 030 pops a message letting you know about the 404
Jul 12 05:40:21 <halfhalo> lies
Jul 12 05:40:33 * BigBiff_pre doesn't blame oil
Jul 12 05:40:41 <kesne> When there's something strange
Jul 12 05:40:45 * BigBiff_pre blames bp
Jul 12 05:40:46 <kesne> In the neighborhood
Jul 12 05:40:50 <kesne> Guess who it is?
Jul 12 05:40:56 <kesne> Ghost Nappa!
Jul 12 05:41:16 <halfhalo> just for kicks building wirc fromsrc
Jul 12 05:41:30 <oil> lol
Jul 12 05:41:58 <BigBiff_pre> wow, nothing faster than running programs backed up onto an external hd
Jul 12 05:42:00 <halfhalo> i lied.  lazyness
Jul 12 05:42:16 <kesne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8MO2ShVBV0
Jul 12 05:43:46 <oil> i can't believe i watched as much of that as i did
Jul 12 05:43:59 <kesne> Heh
Jul 12 05:44:00 <halfhalo> MY EYES
Jul 12 05:44:03 <halfhalo> THEY BURN
Jul 12 05:44:08 <kesne> Why would they?
Jul 12 05:44:13 <halfhalo> acid
Jul 12 05:44:21 <kesne> oil: It's really funny
Jul 12 05:44:28 <kesne> I'm off to bed
Jul 12 05:44:31 <kesne> Night everyone!
Jul 12 05:44:53 <oil> mommy and daddy must have told him to get off the computer, haha
Jul 12 05:45:02 <BigBiff_pre> hehe
Jul 12 05:45:09 <halfhalo> ha
Jul 12 05:48:50 <halfhalo> im out.  Got work/class tomorrow
Jul 12 06:15:30 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
Jul 12 06:20:15 <BigBiff_pre> hello
Jul 12 06:22:50 <BigBiff_pre> I'm out. bed time
Jul 12 06:52:38 <TheSavaLord> is there a huge spit
Jul 12 06:52:41 <TheSavaLord> split
Jul 12 06:53:41 <TheSavaLord> what happened wit webos-internals
Jul 12 07:09:36 <TheSavaLord> mundu IM sucks more then IM+ does
Jul 12 07:13:32 <TheSavaLord> welcome back jhojho
Jul 12 07:21:23 <HotDP> Hello
Jul 12 10:37:01 <warpdesign_> good morning
Jul 12 10:41:24 <HotDP> Morning warpdesign
Jul 12 11:11:24 <HotDP> Do someone know when HP will talk today at mobilebeat?
Jul 12 11:54:26 <haeffb> good morning #webos
Jul 12 11:57:19 <EmmettLollis> good morning
Jul 12 12:00:49 <HotDP> Do someone know when HP will talk today at mobilebeat?
Jul 12 12:02:20 <haeffb> http://events.venturebeat.com/mobilebeat2010/agenda/
Jul 12 12:02:31 <EmmettLollis> hi haeffb
Jul 12 12:03:19 <haeffb> hey EmmettLollis
Jul 12 12:03:28 <EmmettLollis> hows the beach?
Jul 12 12:03:34 <haeffb> sandy
Jul 12 12:03:40 <haeffb> and awesome
Jul 12 12:03:42 <EmmettLollis> thats a good sign
Jul 12 12:03:54 <haeffb> sunrises have been a bit blah so far
Jul 12 12:04:32 <EmmettLollis> ahh
Jul 12 12:04:47 <EmmettLollis> at least it rises though
Jul 12 12:05:18 <haeffb> yes, that is good.
Jul 12 12:05:22 <EmmettLollis> the sky was dark this morning, not a bird in the trees - fuel
Jul 12 12:08:05 <EmmettLollis> good song
Jul 12 12:09:01 <EmmettLollis> i put an ad up for my app over my whole site
Jul 12 12:09:05 <haeffb> sounds dark
Jul 12 12:09:25 <EmmettLollis> not nearly as dark as reality is sometimes
Jul 12 12:09:28 <EmmettLollis> gah
Jul 12 12:09:48 <EmmettLollis> i've come to the realization that i need some self respect
Jul 12 12:17:28 <HotDP> haeffb, do you know what time that will be the "good speach" ?
Jul 12 12:17:42 <HotDP> 8:45am - 9:15am ?
Jul 12 12:18:43 <haeffb> HotDP: that'd be my guess, but I have no particular knowledge other than looking at the agenda.
Jul 12 12:18:57 <HotDP> Can you tell me in how many hours that is?
Jul 12 12:19:07 <HotDP> (time differense you know) :S
Jul 12 12:19:53 <haeffb> 8:45 am california time
Jul 12 12:20:58 <haeffb> oh. it's 8:20 EDT now...so...11:45 here woujld be in 3:25...
Jul 12 12:23:59 <HotDP> 3 hours and 25 minuts?
Jul 12 12:30:40 <haeffb> yep
Jul 12 12:30:50 <HotDP> thanks
Jul 12 12:31:08 <HotDP> Then i just neeed to find a live blog or something and chips
Jul 12 12:32:04 <haeffb> precentral will be there & reporting live...
Jul 12 12:33:10 <EmmettLollis> i need to put out a new app
Jul 12 12:35:04 <Guest2714> How long does it take, in general, for Palm to Approve an application submitted to App Catalog ?
Jul 12 12:35:11 <EmmettLollis> about 24 hours
Jul 12 12:35:20 <EmmettLollis> maybe same day if you get it in early
Jul 12 12:35:23 <Guest2714> and for Rejection ?
Jul 12 12:35:35 <EmmettLollis> i dont think they reject anyone lol
Jul 12 12:36:33 <Guest2714> No i mean, I gave an update to my app but then found a major issue with that built so requested an Rejection on that update
Jul 12 12:36:35 <EmmettLollis> probably the same amount of time
Jul 12 12:36:41 <EmmettLollis> oh not sure
Jul 12 12:36:54 <EmmettLollis> seems like it would be the same but idk
Jul 12 12:37:09 <Guest2714> i did that on Friday - 9th July
Jul 12 12:37:17 <Guest2714> n it is still showing "Rejection Pending..."
Jul 12 12:37:28 <EmmettLollis> surely it would get done today
Jul 12 12:37:35 <EmmettLollis> just my opinion
Jul 12 12:37:37 <Guest2714> n I am not even able to send my fixed update any more
Jul 12 12:37:57 <Guest2714> n i'm getting bad reviews for the same :(
Jul 12 12:38:07 <EmmettLollis> i thought reviews was broken
Jul 12 12:38:16 <EmmettLollis> i haven't been able to leave one for a week
Jul 12 12:38:35 <Guest2714> i see the reviews on myappbox.com by search for my app
Jul 12 12:38:42 <EmmettLollis> oh
Jul 12 12:38:53 <EmmettLollis> which app is it?
Jul 12 12:39:05 <Guest2714> Mundu IM
Jul 12 12:39:26 <EmmettLollis> nice app, i was excited about that one
Jul 12 12:39:47 <EmmettLollis> can you leave a review in the reviews saying that you're working to fix the problem?
Jul 12 12:39:55 <Guest2714> I'm ready with my update with most user issues resolved, but unable to upload my updated version :(
Jul 12 12:40:44 <EmmettLollis> i think they would get to it today, probably early since you did it friday
Jul 12 12:41:16 <EmmettLollis> i submitted my app on weds morning and it came online about 7pm that night CST
Jul 12 12:41:58 <EmmettLollis> i dont know what alternate contact methods there are
Jul 12 12:42:05 <EmmettLollis> seems like there was an email addy somewhere
Jul 12 12:42:06 <Guest2714> that we already conveyed thru our support team..
Jul 12 12:42:56 <Guest2714> exactly I too digged for alternate contact method but cudnt find any... thats when I got acquainted with this IRC channel
Jul 12 12:43:21 <EmmettLollis> i think there are some palm people that come in and out of here
Jul 12 12:44:38 <EmmettLollis> what kind of issues are you having with the app?
Jul 12 12:45:05 <HotDP> Anyone know who makes "ScienceApps" ?
Jul 12 12:45:39 <haeffb> Guest2714: email pdc@palm.com and let chuq know that you need to have your rejection request approved
Jul 12 12:46:25 <Guest2714> thanks haeffb  :)
Jul 12 12:47:40 <Guest2714> I had added few wrong client side checks which prevented ppl from adding their accounts other than @hotmail.com @live.com and @msn.com
Jul 12 12:48:21 <Guest2714> so most ppl with other domain like @hotmailde / @hotmail.co.us get Invalid username / password and were not able to login
Jul 12 12:48:43 <haeffb> I know many people were looking forward to Mundu IM
Jul 12 12:48:44 <Guest2714> so many users were just not able to login
Jul 12 12:48:49 <EmmettLollis> ahh
Jul 12 12:48:55 <EmmettLollis> hard to test for that
Jul 12 12:49:17 <EmmettLollis> yeah, i'm looking forward to the fb chat
Jul 12 12:49:29 <Guest2714> yea... a small overlook costs many bad reviews
Jul 12 12:49:47 <EmmettLollis> kind of a pain when i use the full fb site to chat on my pre
Jul 12 12:50:22 <Guest2714> FB chat does works on mundu im
Jul 12 12:50:24 <EmmettLollis> maybe early week is the best time to release since it gives a few days in case of emergency
Jul 12 12:50:50 <Guest2714> i understand... n this was our first release, we working on implementing most user feedback
Jul 12 12:51:19 <EmmettLollis> i think your app will do well
Jul 12 12:51:28 <Guest2714> but if app approval and rejections takes such long we miss on our time lines due to it :(
Jul 12 12:52:14 <EmmettLollis> yeah, kind of have to work that in
Jul 12 13:09:10 <BigBiff_pre> morning all
Jul 12 13:09:34 <haeffb> hello BigBiff_pre
Jul 12 13:10:01 <BigBiff_pre> hot day in sc today, I see
Jul 12 13:10:23 <BigBiff_pre> good for swimming
Jul 12 13:11:12 * BigBiff_pre cannot procrastinate any longer
Jul 12 13:11:36 <BigBiff_pre> gotta start writing curiculum today
Jul 12 13:11:43 <HotDP> Alot app's have the feature to share some information via sms or facebook. Is that easy to do?
Jul 12 13:12:58 <CTLAdvance> not hard
Jul 12 13:22:59 <HotDP> but it is not a standart "control" ?
Jul 12 13:26:49 <pandora--> nope
Jul 12 13:27:10 <pandora--> easy, but not standard
Jul 12 13:27:52 <EmmettLollis> good morning pandora--
Jul 12 13:28:15 <HotDP> pandora do you have a good source/documentation?
Jul 12 13:28:28 <HotDP> I am thinking about the icons that all people use for sms ect.
Jul 12 13:33:34 <pandora--> i just used facebook's docs
Jul 12 13:33:38 <pandora--> gotta go!
Jul 12 14:05:16 <HattCzech_work> morning all
Jul 12 14:05:56 <BigBiff_pre> morning
Jul 12 15:33:41 <sugardave> is anyone else having trouble with the app catalog?
Jul 12 15:42:59 <halfhalo> hey!  appserv didn't die over night!
Jul 12 15:44:01 <sugardave> Android App Inventor looks interesting...now the Ares people will have a cross-platform advantage :D
Jul 12 15:44:06 <halfhalo> sure, it may have spouted a ton of SyntaxErrors, but who cares?
Jul 12 15:44:51 <sugardave> I can update my installed apps from the updater, but I still cannot access the app catalog....wtf?
Jul 12 15:45:01 <halfhalo> doctor?
Jul 12 15:45:06 <sugardave> erg
Jul 12 15:45:48 <sugardave> oh, hey, it's back...thatis weird...been broken for 12+ hours
Jul 12 15:46:48 <halfhalo> nice
Jul 12 15:47:09 <halfhalo> i should make a buffer for this server… and error recovery
Jul 12 15:48:16 <halfhalo> wtf?  Why is … showing as a control char in my terminal
Jul 12 15:54:00 <anivrom> Allo all
Jul 12 15:56:20 <Tibfib> anyone think a new phone will be announced today?
Jul 12 15:56:43 <Tibfib> or slate
Jul 12 15:58:29 <Tibfib> anyone watchibng liveblog?
Jul 12 15:58:49 <halfhalo> ?
Jul 12 15:59:01 <Tibfib> precentral.net
Jul 12 15:59:07 <Tibfib> mobile beat
Jul 12 15:59:16 <halfhalo> eh
Jul 12 15:59:45 <anivrom> Hmm its a pain as it is to cross develop for pixi
Jul 12 16:18:53 <codeslaw> hey
Jul 12 16:19:06 <codeslaw> anyone know why css clipping would just make my div dissapear
Jul 12 16:19:19 <codeslaw> hey
Jul 12 16:19:40 <codeslaw> anyone know why css clipping would make my div disappear?
Jul 12 16:32:29 <sugardave> codeslaw: overzealous clipping?
Jul 12 16:32:33 * sugardave shrugs.
Jul 12 16:32:49 <codeslaw> nah, just a regular rect, 500 by 500
Jul 12 16:50:40 <Aurash91> http://twitter.com/Au_ash/status/18367532103
Jul 12 16:51:06 <Aurash91> Mobile beat lasts untill tomorrow, think we have any hope?
Jul 12 16:53:16 <hemna> hrmm, I'm seeing something quite odd in my app
Jul 12 16:53:19 <hemna> I have a list
Jul 12 16:53:28 <hemna> when I click on a list item it goes to the new scene
Jul 12 16:53:30 <hemna> I go back to the list
Jul 12 16:53:43 <hemna> then if I click on an item, I get 2 requests to push the new scene
Jul 12 16:53:49 <hemna> the next time I get 3
Jul 12 16:53:50 <hemna> , etc
Jul 12 16:55:19 <halfhalo_pre> are you poping the new scene properly?
Jul 12 16:55:32 <hemna> afaik yah
Jul 12 16:55:55 <Tibfib> Aurash91: nah
Jul 12 16:56:00 <hemna> I'm just using the back swipe
Jul 12 16:56:01 <sugardave> hemna: that's happened to me before, and again most recently
Jul 12 16:56:07 <sugardave> but I'm not sure what fixed it
Jul 12 16:56:09 <Tibfib> hemna: make sure you stop listening to the list
Jul 12 16:56:15 <sugardave> oh I know
Jul 12 16:56:23 <Tibfib> Oh, are you listening to it on the activate?
Jul 12 16:56:25 <hemna> http://webos.pastebin.com/JEMVz36m
Jul 12 16:56:34 <sugardave> I had missed a bind(this) on my Ajax I was doing before the scene push
Jul 12 16:56:35 <Tibfib> listen on the setup
Jul 12 16:56:48 <hemna> I add the listener during activate and remote listeners during deactivate
Jul 12 16:56:55 <sugardave> so the ajax onsuccess was getting called +1 times each time you go back and tap again
Jul 12 16:57:10 <Tibfib> this.listAddHandler isn't defined
Jul 12 16:57:29 <hemna> well I didn't paste that
Jul 12 16:57:53 <hemna> this is an issue with taping on an existing item in the list
Jul 12 16:58:57 <discombobulate> niiice.. national park service director of emergency services emailed me to thank me for my app
Jul 12 16:59:04 <Tibfib> not sure then... just make sure you are listening correctly
Jul 12 16:59:15 <Tibfib> discombobulate: nice! what's your app?
Jul 12 16:59:16 <sugardave> discombobulate: what app?
Jul 12 16:59:23 <discombobulate> Track-It Hurricane Tracker
Jul 12 16:59:30 <sugardave> cool
Jul 12 16:59:59 <discombobulate> offered the assstance of himself and everyone in his emergency management office if i needed anything
Jul 12 17:00:33 <hemna> dang
Jul 12 17:00:38 <discombobulate> good way to start a monday
Jul 12 17:00:40 <sugardave> hemna: I'm not sure about this, but I don't ever put the bindAsEventListener(this) part in my listen call if I want to stop listening later
Jul 12 17:00:47 <sugardave> discombobulate: that's awesome
Jul 12 17:00:53 <hemna> the listTapHandler is getting called more than once...for some reason...but only after the first time
Jul 12 17:01:08 <sugardave> because it's not stopping the listen, I'd guess
Jul 12 17:01:11 <hemna> how do you do it?
Jul 12 17:01:12 <sugardave> so, two listeners
Jul 12 17:01:14 <sugardave> then three
Jul 12 17:01:41 <hemna> I'm guessing the stopListening call isn't working
Jul 12 17:01:55 <sugardave> var this.listTapHandler = this.whateverTheTapFunctionIs.bindAsEventListener(this);
Jul 12 17:02:08 <sugardave> then only use this.listTapHandler in both listen and stopListening
Jul 12 17:02:15 <sugardave> er not var
Jul 12 17:02:23 <sugardave> just this.listTapHandler = blah
Jul 12 17:03:07 <halfhalo_pre> THE NULLS!
Jul 12 17:03:45 <hemna> ok I'll try that
Jul 12 17:05:56 <hemna> ok that seems to have fixed it
Jul 12 17:05:59 <hemna> phew...thanks
Jul 12 17:07:35 <sugardave> np
Jul 12 17:07:46 <codeslaw> how many iphone ports do you think we'll see with the pDK contest?
Jul 12 17:07:53 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: any news on the hot apps front?
Jul 12 17:07:59 <sugardave> 2 metric assloads?
Jul 12 17:08:02 <chuqui> nope. stay tuned
Jul 12 17:08:30 <codeslaw> i've got a nice little app coming, but doubt it's chances against a slew of fine-tuned, team-developed apps
Jul 12 17:08:57 <sugardave> "Exclusive to webOS!"
Jul 12 17:09:12 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw: so team up with me and sugardave? :)
Jul 12 17:09:26 <sugardave> oh man, you don't want me for PDK apps :P
Jul 12 17:09:31 <codeslaw> wheres the killer app idea?
Jul 12 17:09:34 <discombobulate> it won't be fine tuned of sugardave is involved!
Jul 12 17:09:36 <discombobulate> j/k
Jul 12 17:09:40 <sugardave> heh
Jul 12 17:09:53 <HattCzech_work> oh, sugardave... i went to el caribe... it was alright :)
Jul 12 17:10:02 <codeslaw> haha
Jul 12 17:10:16 <sugardave> oh?  damn...did you get the thing I recommended...I alwys love that
Jul 12 17:10:29 <codeslaw> what do you recommend there
Jul 12 17:10:37 <HattCzech_work> i did... and it was pretty good, but nothing that amazed me
Jul 12 17:10:39 <sugardave> the pollito relleno off the interior menu
Jul 12 17:10:48 <HattCzech_work> the salsas were okay... the guac was kinda bland...
Jul 12 17:11:08 <sugardave> ah, I can't eat guacamole, I think I've developed an allergy to avocadoes
Jul 12 17:11:09 <sugardave> sucks
Jul 12 17:11:13 <codeslaw> oh man
Jul 12 17:11:18 <codeslaw> sorry to hear that
Jul 12 17:11:23 <HattCzech_work> oh, well that sucks
Jul 12 17:11:29 <sugardave> yeah it does, I love that shit
Jul 12 17:11:35 <HattCzech_work> i recently started eating it...
Jul 12 17:11:41 <HattCzech_work> and found out i like it a lot
Jul 12 17:11:53 <discombobulate> yeah that really sucks
Jul 12 17:12:03 <discombobulate> i have an avocado tree in my backyard thats taller than my house
Jul 12 17:12:07 <discombobulate> love avocados
Jul 12 17:12:23 * HattCzech_work heads over to discombobulate's place to get some avacados
Jul 12 17:12:23 <sugardave> well, sorry it didn't work out for you...like I said, I don't get out much :D
Jul 12 17:12:34 <discombobulate> size of softballs
Jul 12 17:12:48 <HattCzech_work> sweet awesomeness!
Jul 12 17:13:06 <codeslaw> discombobulate: cali?
Jul 12 17:13:12 <discombobulate> south florida
Jul 12 17:13:18 <codeslaw> mmm
Jul 12 17:13:35 <HattCzech_work> well, sugardave... if you do get out again... try la condesa on 2nd street
Jul 12 17:13:50 <HattCzech_work> a bit pricey, but if you get appetizers, it's amazing
Jul 12 17:13:52 <codeslaw> i'll trade you a basket of homegrown plums for a basket of avocados
Jul 12 17:14:16 <HattCzech_work> definitely get the street corn... and salsas
Jul 12 17:14:44 <HattCzech_work> i'd say guac because it's really good... but since you can't eat it, those will work
Jul 12 17:15:15 <discombobulate> if shipping wasn't such a mission, that'd be a hell of a deal
Jul 12 17:16:00 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw: you have plums?
Jul 12 17:16:10 * HattCzech_work heads to codeslaw's place too
Jul 12 17:16:30 <alexfner> guys
Jul 12 17:16:33 <alexfner> did you read the news!
Jul 12 17:16:38 <codeslaw> well, not here in austin... my dad's place in el paso has 2 plum trees, 2 fig trees,  1 peach tree
Jul 12 17:16:41 <alexfner> HP announces webOS tablet!
Jul 12 17:16:46 <codeslaw> WAHT
Jul 12 17:16:51 <discombobulate> figured that was coming
Jul 12 17:17:07 <alexfner> okay okay, I might have slightly exaggerated that
Jul 12 17:17:12 <alexfner> there was no announcement
Jul 12 17:17:12 <codeslaw> precentral has nothing
Jul 12 17:17:16 <codeslaw> i hate you
Jul 12 17:17:18 <alexfner> :D
Jul 12 17:17:22 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: alright, will check it out
Jul 12 17:17:26 <discombobulate> heh
Jul 12 17:17:41 <halfhalo_pre> murder time!
Jul 12 17:17:43 <discombobulate> alexfner has joined the 'do not believe' list
Jul 12 17:17:57 <codeslaw> indeed
Jul 12 17:18:04 * HattCzech_work slaps alexfner
Jul 12 17:18:32 <discombobulate> carls je. footlong cheeseburger
Jul 12 17:18:36 <discombobulate> thats a bit much
Jul 12 17:19:25 <codeslaw> hows it even possible
Jul 12 17:19:40 <HattCzech_work> do they just reshape the burger?
Jul 12 17:19:57 <HattCzech_work> a meat log instead of a patty?
Jul 12 17:20:04 <discombobulate> http://fastfood.ocregister.com/2010/07/10/carls-jr-testing-foot-long-cheeseburger-sonics-new-footlong/67709/
Jul 12 17:20:55 <codeslaw> looks pretty disgusting
Jul 12 17:21:09 <deliciousmorsel> omg lunch today
Jul 12 17:21:10 <deliciousmorsel> for sure
Jul 12 17:21:13 <HattCzech_work> lol
Jul 12 17:21:23 <deliciousmorsel> everyone loves liquid smoke flavor!
Jul 12 17:21:54 <discombobulate> the double down from kfc looked bad too
Jul 12 17:21:58 <discombobulate> but is quite good
Jul 12 17:22:13 <deliciousmorsel> tooooo salty
Jul 12 17:22:17 <codeslaw> i knew that double down would be good
Jul 12 17:22:22 <codeslaw> it can't NOT be god
Jul 12 17:22:33 <codeslaw> still wouldnt order it
Jul 12 17:25:40 <halfhalo_pre> hail bejesus
Jul 12 17:29:52 <dkirker> 'morning everyone!
Jul 12 17:30:32 <sugardave> hey dkirker
Jul 12 17:30:48 <dkirker> howdy sugardave
Jul 12 17:32:52 <CTLAdvance> good afternoon everyone
Jul 12 17:33:01 <dkirker> I can't wait to get sound support in moVox working. :) I'm already excited that the background support works so nicely.
Jul 12 17:33:03 <CTLAdvance> or day/evening/night/morning etc etc
Jul 12 17:33:13 <dkirker> good morning/afternoon CTLAdvance
Jul 12 17:33:31 <kesne> Hey all!
Jul 12 17:33:48 <dkirker> hi kesne. Just in time for the god afternoon/morning/evenings!
Jul 12 17:34:02 <kesne> Heh
Jul 12 17:34:03 <alexfner> so how does one get back on the "do believe" list
Jul 12 17:34:36 <CTLAdvance> whats the do believe list
Jul 12 17:37:27 <halfhalo_pre> you never get back on
Jul 12 17:38:02 <CTLAdvance> is this the we can take you seriously for help list?
Jul 12 17:38:24 <halfhalo_pre> no, the new model list
Jul 12 17:42:35 <alexfner> oh god there are so many lists
Jul 12 17:42:43 <alexfner> and I feel like we don't yet have a repository for them
Jul 12 17:43:54 <kesne> http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7830/screenshot20100712at103.png
Jul 12 17:44:05 <kesne> That play button is made with CSS
Jul 12 17:44:38 * haeffb wants new devices
Jul 12 17:44:46 * haeffb getting impatient
Jul 12 17:45:22 <CTLAdvance> whats the css code for that
Jul 12 17:45:33 <CTLAdvance> I would assume its css3
Jul 12 17:45:54 <kesne> Nope :D
Jul 12 17:45:56 <kesne> Well
Jul 12 17:46:01 <kesne> The circle around it is
Jul 12 17:46:07 <kesne> but the actual arrow isn't
Jul 12 17:46:17 <CTLAdvance> The arrow an img
Jul 12 17:47:05 <kesne> LIES
Jul 12 17:48:14 <kesne> The arrow is CSS
Jul 12 17:48:15 <kesne> :O
Jul 12 17:49:01 <CTLAdvance> I was asking you... oy
Jul 12 17:49:07 <kesne> OH
Jul 12 17:49:09 <kesne> font-size: 0px; line-height: 0%; width: 0px;border-top: 10px solid #009100;border-bottom: 10px solid #009100;border-left: 10px solid #003700;border-right: 10px solid #009100;float: left; z-index: 2; margin-left: -25px; margin-top: 10px;
Jul 12 17:49:14 <kesne> That's the CSS I use for it
Jul 12 18:04:02 <alexfner> seems like too much css
Jul 12 18:04:08 <alexfner> you guys and your css!
Jul 12 18:04:38 <alexfner> soon you'll realize that it's all about images!  They are the futurE!
Jul 12 18:04:51 <alexfner> why make things in css when I can make them in canvas?
Jul 12 18:04:56 <alexfner> seems like a better deal to me
Jul 12 18:08:14 <kesne> Why use canvas when you can do it in CSS?
Jul 12 18:08:23 <kesne> Making a canvas to make an arrow would be a little much
Jul 12 18:10:33 <discombobulate> it's all about the .bmp
Jul 12 18:11:48 <torchie> people
Jul 12 18:11:54 <torchie> there's a <video> tag now
Jul 12 18:12:02 <torchie> don't you want brilliant animations
Jul 12 18:32:44 <CTLAdvance> yeah I am moving away from canvas now...
Jul 12 18:33:23 <kesne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-Ruwv6rrM
Jul 12 18:34:13 <alexfner> don't move away
Jul 12 18:34:15 <alexfner> move towards
Jul 12 18:34:35 <alexfner> name one thing you can't do with canvas?
Jul 12 18:34:39 <alexfner> and I'll fight you
Jul 12 18:34:45 <pandora--> alexfner: easy
Jul 12 18:34:50 <pandora--> you can't do 'easy' with canvas :)
Jul 12 18:35:12 <elyon> Hey, does anyone recognize what this means? "Could not load module std@get_env__1"
Jul 12 18:35:28 <elyon> C++
Jul 12 18:35:37 <kesne> You can't do high-res procedural 3D graphics at 60 FPS in canvas
Jul 12 18:36:48 <kesne> fight that, bitch
Jul 12 18:36:51 <elyon> Depends on your processor, I suppose ;)
Jul 12 18:37:10 <kesne> Okay, so if you happen to have a supercomputer at your house, then fine
Jul 12 18:37:41 <anivrom> Eylon: however in efficient it would be, its technically possible
Jul 12 18:37:52 <anivrom> -in
Jul 12 18:38:04 <dohtem> halfhalo!
Jul 12 18:38:13 <kesne> halfhalo!
Jul 12 18:38:23 <webos-info> halfhalo!
Jul 12 18:38:29 <elyon> In Flash, I can throw 3D, physics, sound, animation, graphics ... all together, fairly easily
Jul 12 18:38:30 <other_guy> halfhalo!
Jul 12 18:38:34 <halfhalo_class> you rang?
Jul 12 18:38:42 <elyon> Whether or not Canvas can technically accomplish any of those tasks ...
Jul 12 18:38:51 <elyon> I can't see myself being interested in it for anything other than a tech demo
Jul 12 18:38:57 <elyon> Just because you CAN doesn't mean you should
Jul 12 18:38:57 <anivrom> Flash isn't javascript though.
Jul 12 18:39:09 <kesne> elyon: The issue that I have with doing intense stuff in flash is that weak computers can't take it
Jul 12 18:39:12 <elyon> Like using a wrench to hammer nails
Jul 12 18:39:19 <elyon> It's all about optimization
Jul 12 18:39:37 <kesne> protip: you won't be able to use flash in a webOS app
Jul 12 18:39:38 <elyon> For example, not rendering every frame in 3D
Jul 12 18:39:52 <elyon> And using lightweight renderers, then using a high quality render on the last frame
Jul 12 18:40:07 <elyon> Or pushing objects to their own 3D stage, so you only have to render one or two at a time
Jul 12 18:40:17 <elyon> Not yet, anyway
Jul 12 18:40:26 <anivrom> Speaking of which, kesne you gonna fix that horizontal tearing on planet eater before 1.0?
Jul 12 18:40:27 <elyon> But I'm working on haXe for Palm, and I'm making good progress
Jul 12 18:40:51 <kesne> anivrom: Nope
Jul 12 18:41:00 <bougyman> haXe for palm, the js output?
Jul 12 18:41:16 <alexfner> guys
Jul 12 18:41:19 <alexfner> everything you've listed
Jul 12 18:41:22 <alexfner> I can do in canvas
Jul 12 18:41:30 <alexfner> with the occasional help of <audio>
Jul 12 18:41:30 <anivrom> Lol
Jul 12 18:42:35 <anivrom> What I'm saying is it's possible, however terribly ineficient due to js not being a compiled  language
Jul 12 18:43:11 <bougyman> not being compiled isn't the impediment that it once was.
Jul 12 18:43:25 <anivrom> And I don't know whethe canvas uses gpu directly
Jul 12 18:43:27 <elyon> The C++ output
Jul 12 18:43:33 <elyon> You can already try the Javascript output
Jul 12 18:43:33 <alexfner> canvas does
Jul 12 18:43:51 <kesne> alexfner: so you can do high-res 3D graphics at 60fps?
Jul 12 18:43:55 <alexfner> hellz yes
Jul 12 18:44:03 <elyon> I'm just thinking about workflow, too
Jul 12 18:44:11 <kesne> Canvas isn't that great
Jul 12 18:44:15 <elyon> With Flash, I can set it all up graphically. Fire up FlashDevelop and add some functionality
Jul 12 18:44:22 <kesne> People need to accept that Flash is the future
Jul 12 18:44:26 <anivrom> I love canvas for its native feel in a js bodysuit
Jul 12 18:44:27 <alexfner> I am the future
Jul 12 18:44:37 <alexfner> but no one accepts that
Jul 12 18:44:45 <elyon> Maybe if I could use tools like I have for Flash, and export to Canvas ... maybe
Jul 12 18:44:56 <elyon> haXe might do that. I'm not sure if it uses Canvas or not
Jul 12 18:45:07 <alexfner> how about this
Jul 12 18:45:12 <anivrom> Yea canvas needs gui IDE
Jul 12 18:45:15 <elyon> (Any C++ people here? I need help with std.so)
Jul 12 18:45:21 <alexfner> if I make a tool so that you can edit and create canvas applications in the browsser
Jul 12 18:45:24 <alexfner> then will you believe?
Jul 12 18:46:01 <elyon> Well, and if everyone starts using Opera, so it works ...
Jul 12 18:46:02 <bougyman> kesne: flash is more likely to die than be the future.
Jul 12 18:46:18 <elyon> Flash is moving into "real" 3D, I hear
Jul 12 18:46:24 <elyon> They're probably gunning after the likes of Unity
Jul 12 18:46:35 <kesne> Everybody that thinks that flash will die clearly hasn't been online in quite a while
Jul 12 18:46:41 <alexfner> well canvas is moving to real 3d too
Jul 12 18:46:53 <bougyman> kesne: sure I have, lots of places put flash in, get complaints, remove flash.
Jul 12 18:46:54 <alexfner> webgl
Jul 12 18:46:55 <anivrom> Flash is amazingly simple to use and AS3 is simple as well.
Jul 12 18:47:03 <bougyman> others obviously ignore the complaints.
Jul 12 18:47:16 <kesne> bougyman: have you been online lately?
Jul 12 18:47:17 <elyon> With Flash, I can copy and paste from Photoshop, then take one minute to add (X, Y, Z, alpha) tweens
Jul 12 18:47:19 <bougyman> see: facebook.
Jul 12 18:47:22 <kesne> Flash works nicely
Jul 12 18:47:28 <kesne> No reason to complain
Jul 12 18:47:28 <alexfner> elyon
Jul 12 18:47:28 <pandora--> chuqui: alive? is there any way to update my email address in the dev portal?
Jul 12 18:47:35 <alexfner> we can do all of that with the canvas!
Jul 12 18:47:36 <bougyman> flash works horribly on some sites, in some browsers.
Jul 12 18:47:37 <anivrom> TweenMax ftw
Jul 12 18:47:44 <kesne> If people complain about flash, they are an idiot
Jul 12 18:47:45 <chuqui> pandora drop me an email, I'll fix you up.
Jul 12 18:47:54 <kesne> bougyman: More an issue of the developer
Jul 12 18:47:55 <alexfner> "If people complain about flash, they are an idiot
Jul 12 18:48:00 <alexfner> "If people complain about flash, they are an idiot" /facepalm
Jul 12 18:48:04 <bougyman> they're an idiot because flash crashes their browser on a major social networking site?
Jul 12 18:48:06 <elyon> I'm just thinking ... if Canvas can do all that, there aren't tools and libraries developed around it that let you get from A to B so quickly and easily
Jul 12 18:48:17 <alexfner> right
Jul 12 18:48:20 <alexfner> but there can be
Jul 12 18:48:23 <codeslaw> badly written flash crashes
Jul 12 18:48:24 <alexfner> I've tried to work on it
Jul 12 18:48:25 <kesne> bougyman: Yes
Jul 12 18:48:27 <codeslaw> properly written flash works
Jul 12 18:48:35 <codeslaw> badly written <software> crashes
Jul 12 18:48:40 <alexfner> I am just not sure what would/would not be useful in a canvas framework
Jul 12 18:48:42 <codeslaw> properly written <software> works
Jul 12 18:48:43 <kesne> Like I said, it's not an issue with flash
Jul 12 18:48:49 <kesne> it's an issue with the develop
Jul 12 18:48:50 <kesne> er
Jul 12 18:49:01 <bougyman> there are a lot of issues with flash, from a developer standpoint.
Jul 12 18:49:05 <elyon> http://www.eldoradostone.com/outdoor/designtool/
Jul 12 18:49:10 <elyon>  That's 3D, that's physics
Jul 12 18:49:14 <anivrom> I'm making a game in canvas for webos currently and find it just fine
Jul 12 18:49:15 <elyon> That's 3D models from Maya
Jul 12 18:49:23 <codeslaw> sure flash has problems, but everything does
Jul 12 18:49:25 <elyon> I can't do that in Canvas. If ever, not yet.
Jul 12 18:49:33 <elyon> Snap and build
Jul 12 18:49:41 <bougyman> information embedded in flash is invisible to search engines, until you overcome that it's going to be an uphill battle to get sites to move to flash.
Jul 12 18:49:46 <alexfner> you can do that in canvas
Jul 12 18:49:48 <codeslaw> bougyman: wrong
Jul 12 18:49:53 <codeslaw> google indexes internal swf content
Jul 12 18:50:05 <codeslaw> also, if you are doing it right, you are loading external content, also indexed by google
Jul 12 18:50:08 <elyon> Try moving the camera, or dragging something like the 135 degree cabinet
Jul 12 18:50:08 <bougyman> you also lose w3c validation.
Jul 12 18:50:12 <anivrom> Bougyman: I develop with flash with no issues
Jul 12 18:50:29 <alexfner> elyon: http://07055944295.com/solvalou.php
Jul 12 18:50:34 <bougyman> then there's the ad-blocking stuff that stupidly blocks flash embeds.
Jul 12 18:50:49 <elyon> Then I generate a PDF from the browser, and save it to your hard drive when you're done
Jul 12 18:50:59 <alexfner> elyon: http://www.canvasdemos.com/userdemos/toxicgonzo/3dobjviewer.html
Jul 12 18:51:17 <kesne> I think bougyman just has issues with flash
Jul 12 18:51:22 <codeslaw> alexfner: jus tlook at the framerates
Jul 12 18:51:34 <bougyman> i have a general issue with proprietary non-standards web, yes.
Jul 12 18:51:35 <kesne> maybe a traumatic past involving flash?
Jul 12 18:51:36 <codeslaw> this is untextured, mind you
Jul 12 18:51:39 <alexfner> They're pretty good :D
Jul 12 18:51:39 <bougyman> but these issues are specific to flash.
Jul 12 18:51:48 <kesne> Oh, he's one of those people
Jul 12 18:51:58 <elyon> hah
Jul 12 18:51:59 <codeslaw> canvas is non standard
Jul 12 18:52:00 <elyon> Opera FTW
Jul 12 18:52:07 <codeslaw> css transforms are still proprietary
Jul 12 18:52:08 <elyon> I thought, "frame rates are pretty good"
Jul 12 18:52:17 <alexfner> yeah
Jul 12 18:52:19 <elyon> Then I remembered I was using Opera, not Firefox
Jul 12 18:52:38 <alexfner> and that eldorado stone thing you sent me crashed flash :( firefox 4 beta 1
Jul 12 18:52:56 <alexfner> I'm using ff4b1 and getting really decent framerates
Jul 12 18:53:20 <elyon> Did the Eldorado Stone site work for anyone else?
Jul 12 18:53:32 <bougyman> crashed chrome here.
Jul 12 18:53:33 <elyon> I guess I haven't heard of it crashing anyone's browser before
Jul 12 18:53:34 <codeslaw> the web is in transition, things are shifting around, getting more in line with their core competencies
Jul 12 18:53:41 <alexfner> besides, that's rendering in a 2d context
Jul 12 18:53:47 <alexfner> if we take a look at some webgl demos
Jul 12 18:53:50 <elyon> What OS are you guys using?
Jul 12 18:53:53 <alexfner> that's where it's really impressive
Jul 12 18:53:57 <alexfner> mac osX 10.6
Jul 12 18:54:10 <codeslaw> alexfner: all flash 3D is rendered in a 2d context
Jul 12 18:54:11 <bougyman> ubuntu lucid here.
Jul 12 18:54:17 <alexfner> no I understand
Jul 12 18:54:19 <alexfner> that
Jul 12 18:54:22 <alexfner> but I am saying
Jul 12 18:54:33 <alexfner> I'm not fighting flash
Jul 12 18:54:37 <codeslaw> not using the native "3d" browser contexts?
Jul 12 18:54:47 <alexfner> it's just, there are some really impressive uses of canvas
Jul 12 18:54:48 <codeslaw> i.e. -moz-context3d
Jul 12 18:54:55 <codeslaw> ya i agree
Jul 12 18:54:57 <alexfner> and it's evolving at a much faster rate than flash
Jul 12 18:55:14 <codeslaw> makes sense that it is
Jul 12 18:55:21 <codeslaw> flash has had a long time to mature
Jul 12 18:55:25 <codeslaw> canvas is just a baby
Jul 12 18:55:29 <kesne> Canvas is god
Jul 12 18:55:32 <alexfner> a baby with tiny feet
Jul 12 18:55:37 <alexfner> wearing booties
Jul 12 18:55:37 <kesne> webos-info: flash
Jul 12 18:55:42 <alexfner> can't even walk
Jul 12 18:55:47 <alexfner> just crawling around
Jul 12 18:55:53 <webos-info> Flash is good for everything, and does not suck.
Jul 12 18:56:10 <anivrom> It has a lot of potential. Just needs a grphic ide
Jul 12 18:56:19 <kesne> Guess that settles it folks
Jul 12 18:56:20 <alexfner> it's not good for hosting parties
Jul 12 18:56:27 <alexfner> canvas has hosted many parties
Jul 12 18:56:30 <codeslaw> adobe has plans to export flash content to JS/HTML
Jul 12 18:56:33 <alexfner> canvas is the man
Jul 12 18:57:03 <anivrom> I can't wait for flash on webos...............
Jul 12 18:57:19 <alexfner> anyways I'm getting 20fps on that 3d model demo
Jul 12 18:57:24 <kesne> anivrom: why?
Jul 12 18:57:31 <kesne> It's not like you can use it in an app
Jul 12 18:57:53 <anivrom> You can put it on a website and use it that way
Jul 12 18:58:02 <anivrom> Build the app on the desktop
Jul 12 18:58:02 <kesne> A view view
Jul 12 18:58:04 <kesne> That's ugly
Jul 12 18:58:12 <alexfner> anyone using ff4b1?
Jul 12 18:58:28 <kesne> I'm using ff4b2
Jul 12 18:58:38 <alexfner> OH NICE
Jul 12 18:58:42 <alexfner> IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET
Jul 12 18:58:49 <alexfner> YOU MUST HAVE FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS
Jul 12 18:59:09 <kesne> I DO
Jul 12 18:59:51 <discombobulate> hrm
Jul 12 19:00:26 <elyon> Okay, would anyone here be able to help me a little with C/C++ stuff?
Jul 12 19:00:56 <alexfner> only a little
Jul 12 19:01:09 <elyon> I've gotten a lot farther than before
Jul 12 19:01:19 <elyon> My libraries are building and loading, but its trying to load std.so
Jul 12 19:01:30 <elyon> Which makes me wonder if I had a bad include or something?
Jul 12 19:01:44 <elyon> "Cannot load module std@get_env"
Jul 12 19:02:23 <elyon> I just tried compiling with -nostdlib, but now it's throwing compiler errors about "LoadFunc" not being defined
Jul 12 19:04:18 <alexfner> 0_o
Jul 12 19:04:27 <elyon> Yeah
Jul 12 19:04:36 <elyon> I've gotten very far, though!
Jul 12 19:05:04 <elyon> haXe relies on a framework library, and I've gotten it to compile. It's been tricky for a C++ newbie to figure out everything so far
Jul 12 19:05:11 <elyon> Since no one has compiled the library for Palm before
Jul 12 19:05:22 <elyon> But it's loading it up now, and I'm stuck on this error
Jul 12 19:05:39 <elyon> Feels like I'm almost there, though
Jul 12 19:05:48 <elyon> Most of this stuff is figuring out the right compiler flags
Jul 12 19:14:54 <anivrom> Brownie points for any that can tell me the benefit of event bubble vs event capture :O
Jul 12 19:15:41 <anivrom> dawm|pre: hey!
Jul 12 19:16:25 <BigBiff> hmm
Jul 12 19:16:51 <dawm|pre> anivrom; you get my reply message last night?
Jul 12 19:17:56 <BigBiff> anyone know of any site hosting for teachers that combines wiki functionality and the ability to use js for other pages?
Jul 12 19:18:05 <anivrom> Yea. Thanks :)
Jul 12 19:18:15 <BigBiff> I know, random question
Jul 12 19:18:39 <dawm|pre> I dunno, search for free nonprofit hosting
Jul 12 19:18:49 <sugardave> anivrom: capture phase lets you get events and stop them before they bubble up to other elements
Jul 12 19:18:53 <jettero> when you submit an app and it says that you can't change free to paid later... how do you handle things like betas (where it should be free at first); change the name later?
Jul 12 19:18:58 <sugardave> or I have it reveresed
Jul 12 19:18:59 <BigBiff> ya I've been looking all morning
Jul 12 19:19:02 <sugardave> but that is the point
Jul 12 19:19:30 <dawm|pre> jettero, submit two, one that's got a beta name and a normal one
Jul 12 19:19:31 <CTLAdvance> jettero - just launch a new app
Jul 12 19:19:40 <CTLAdvance> exactly dawm
Jul 12 19:19:49 <dawm|pre> like I have com.biocandy.ringwhere and com.biocandy.ringwherebeta
Jul 12 19:19:55 <anivrom> Hmmm how would you go about capturing an event in the stack if the listener is not bound to that object?
Jul 12 19:20:07 <CTLAdvance> also that way you can have a beta release which may be unstable while most users can go for the gusto full v
Jul 12 19:20:33 <sugardave> anivrom: something something something, DOM, something something something
Jul 12 19:21:24 <anivrom> Hrmm I can't think of a time it would be useful but then again I dnt use html too much
Jul 12 19:21:31 <CTLAdvance> we cant listen to system level stuff can we now with JS in webOS. Its still simple old javascript... or did I miss something (services?)
Jul 12 19:22:12 <sugardave> anivrom: check out the docs on the commander chain, it talks about bubble vs. capture, I think
Jul 12 19:22:26 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: pojs
Jul 12 19:22:31 <sugardave> plain old javascript
Jul 12 19:22:34 <anivrom> sugardave: thanks
Jul 12 19:22:37 <jettero> what if I foolishly didn't put the word beta in the app name ... can I add that later, like with a beta update?
Jul 12 19:22:45 <sugardave> jettero: nope
Jul 12 19:23:05 <CTLAdvance> no - just add
Jul 12 19:23:08 <jettero> It looks like it lets you change the name on an update though.. doesn't help?
Jul 12 19:23:10 <CTLAdvance> notbeta in the new one
Jul 12 19:23:17 <elyon> Once you use a name, its used
Jul 12 19:23:18 <jettero> maybe Full or something
Jul 12 19:23:24 <CTLAdvance> you have to have the same package id
Jul 12 19:23:29 <CTLAdvance> com.company.appname
Jul 12 19:23:29 <elyon> SO you can change it later, but the original will still be taken if you try to upload a new package
Jul 12 19:23:35 <sugardave> names and package names are locked forever
Jul 12 19:23:45 <CTLAdvance> sug you can change teh app name
Jul 12 19:23:50 <sugardave> well, yeah
Jul 12 19:23:52 <CTLAdvance> only thing that is consistant is the id
Jul 12 19:23:55 <sugardave> but you can't use it for another app
Jul 12 19:24:02 <sugardave> roy tried this the other day
Jul 12 19:24:03 <CTLAdvance> what
Jul 12 19:24:05 <anivrom> Hmm little OT but anyone good with light trucks? Lol wondering why my sprinters turbo is cuttin out.
Jul 12 19:24:28 <CTLAdvance> you can replace the app entirely with a different app so long as the id stays the same
Jul 12 19:24:33 <CTLAdvance> you cant have duplicates however
Jul 12 19:24:41 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: pretty sure....if you change the app name and try to submit another app with the old (changed) name
Jul 12 19:24:48 <sugardave> just name, not id
Jul 12 19:24:48 <jettero> k, so the name is pretty much reserved forever once you submit something?
Jul 12 19:24:53 <sugardave> yes
Jul 12 19:24:56 <sugardave> that is the size of it
Jul 12 19:24:56 <jettero> cool cool
Jul 12 19:24:58 <CTLAdvance> because its a retarded turbo instead of a super charger
Jul 12 19:25:31 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Jul 12 19:26:20 <anivrom> Man these hobos in toronto are starting to get coordinated one on each corner giving each other hand signals and such
Jul 12 19:28:08 <anivrom> CTLAdvance: turbos yield better overall HP and better at low speeds. I know all this cause gran turismo told me ;)
Jul 12 19:29:02 <CTLAdvance> A supercharger will give you more horsepower off of the line as the turbo pick up more once you are moving
Jul 12 19:29:19 <anivrom> Joking! I read the wiki <_< lol
Jul 12 19:29:32 <CTLAdvance> oy
Jul 12 19:30:20 <anivrom> Well there is a bit of 'lag' but it makes up for it once you get going. That's why you put a lower stage for the lower end of gear ratio and another for higher :P
Jul 12 19:32:26 <anivrom> But you're right if you don't want the fuss and want instant power SC is prolly more than enough
Jul 12 19:34:04 <CTLAdvance> Actually I believe the turbo is a safer bet, as you can really damage the engine with a full blown super charger.
Jul 12 19:34:14 <dohtem> does my app *need* a handleLaunch method?
Jul 12 19:34:18 <CTLAdvance> turbo has less of a risk factor from what I understand
Jul 12 19:34:35 <CTLAdvance> no - not if you have a simple stage assistant
Jul 12 19:34:50 <dohtem> ah, thought so.
Jul 12 19:36:10 <dohtem> thanks
Jul 12 19:36:20 <anivrom> Hmm not too sure on that one but since its directly hooked up to the engine it would put a bit more wear and tear than a turbo running on exhaust fumes
Jul 12 19:37:06 <CTLAdvance> Thats what I am talking about
Jul 12 19:37:29 <anivrom> Yea prolly a fair assumption
Jul 12 19:37:39 <CTLAdvance> I thought about putting a SC on my truck a while ago, but I need to wait until the warranty runs out
Jul 12 19:37:51 <anivrom> Lol
Jul 12 19:37:55 <halfhalo_class> EVerything needs a turbocharge3r
Jul 12 19:38:05 <halfhalo_class> EVERYTHING
Jul 12 19:38:10 <digitalpowers> is there anyone here who is working with the pdk, and more specifically opengl es on the pdk.  I am looking for a decent set of reference material and hopefully some tutorials that will actually compile.  So ... if anyone knows of any, please share :D
Jul 12 19:38:15 <CTLAdvance> nah not a tubo
Jul 12 19:38:20 <CTLAdvance> I want to harness raw power
Jul 12 19:38:32 <CTLAdvance> I am think a full super chager with air scoops
Jul 12 19:38:43 <CTLAdvance> not just a wimpy blower motor in the air intake
Jul 12 19:39:30 <CTLAdvance> digital powers - I have a good book on it
Jul 12 19:39:45 <anivrom> Lol yea. Just don't get suckered into a ram-air like some grandprix's have. Practically useless if you do the math.
Jul 12 19:39:54 <CTLAdvance> I havent found much helpful material, however the Open GL site is the best I have seen
Jul 12 19:39:59 <CTLAdvance> ramair is a joke
Jul 12 19:40:19 <CTLAdvance> I think chevy had a few cars that came with that if I am correct
Jul 12 19:40:33 <discombobulate> so if i sent someone the .ipk for my app, could they just install it from email on the device?
Jul 12 19:40:37 <halfhalo_class> My car wont take a turbo/supercharger easily
Jul 12 19:40:44 <halfhalo_class> stupid toyota
Jul 12 19:40:50 <anivrom> I find it funny how they even bother putting the fecal on the outside.
Jul 12 19:41:08 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jul 12 19:41:09 <sugardave> discombobulate: you used to be able to do that, but I'm not sure it works anymore...they can use palm-install with it
Jul 12 19:41:15 <CTLAdvance> Ford sells several kits for my engine
Jul 12 19:41:35 <CTLAdvance> or better yet go with a bigger engine from the factory
Jul 12 19:41:37 <discombobulate> ah.. i'm not sure if they are that smart
Jul 12 19:41:54 <sugardave> oh
Jul 12 19:41:56 <sugardave> ooops
Jul 12 19:42:05 <anivrom> My car is already a high performance automobile. Don't need any of that stuff
Jul 12 19:42:25 <anivrom> It goes 0-60...
Jul 12 19:42:27 <anivrom> Sometimes
Jul 12 19:42:31 <discombobulate> heh
Jul 12 19:42:44 <discombobulate> mine goes 0-60 quick.. it's the 60-0 that worries me
Jul 12 19:43:13 <halfhalo_class> Mine goes to 0-60-speedbump-60-0
Jul 12 19:43:27 <discombobulate> sounds speedy
Jul 12 19:43:39 <halfhalo_class> yup
Jul 12 19:43:41 <discombobulate> if you paint it red, it will be even faster, just so you know
Jul 12 19:43:44 <halfhalo_class> eh
Jul 12 19:43:55 <halfhalo_class> I like black, thank-you-very-much
Jul 12 19:44:01 <discombobulate> just sayin!
Jul 12 19:44:08 <anivrom> Don't forget the homer patneted speed holes
Jul 12 19:44:10 <discombobulate> lots of people don't know the red = speed trick
Jul 12 19:44:18 <discombobulate> oh man, don't get me started on speed holes
Jul 12 19:44:24 * anivrom leaves to get his pickaxe
Jul 12 19:44:30 <discombobulate> and racing stripes increase steering
Jul 12 19:44:32 <halfhalo_class> OR if its a volvo 850/s70, dark green
Jul 12 19:45:00 <CTLAdvance> My truck is red
Jul 12 19:45:10 <CTLAdvance> and it goes 0-60 quite fast
Jul 12 19:45:23 <CTLAdvance> and it goes 0-60 almost as fast towing 9400 lbs
Jul 12 19:45:23 <sugardave> +5HP for every sponsor sticker you have
Jul 12 19:45:52 <CTLAdvance> I am plastered up with BP decals
Jul 12 19:46:01 <sugardave> hahaha
Jul 12 19:46:04 <CTLAdvance> ok maybe not
Jul 12 19:46:27 <CTLAdvance> I found out that BP fuel burns really well though. Excellent milage, and performance
Jul 12 19:46:37 <anivrom> Oh and +50 coolness for every car audio brand sticker
Jul 12 19:47:04 <discombobulate> don't forget the ipod apple sticker
Jul 12 19:47:11 <discombobulate> those things increase value like crazy
Jul 12 19:47:18 <CTLAdvance> oy
Jul 12 19:47:22 <anivrom> Even thoug I have a nice sound system in my car. No stickerd thoug
Jul 12 19:47:36 <CTLAdvance> yeah I have 0 stickers on my truck
Jul 12 19:47:40 <CTLAdvance> corny
Jul 12 19:47:41 <halfhalo_class> bass makes cars go faster
Jul 12 19:47:42 <CTLAdvance> err
Jul 12 19:48:39 <discombobulate> i have 2 stickers on my jeep. one says 'drive it like you stole it' and one says 'vote for ron paul'
Jul 12 19:48:45 <anivrom> If (pre = true && wIRC = true) {typos = "inevitable"}
Jul 12 19:48:54 <halfhalo_class> I have no stickers.  At all
Jul 12 19:49:08 <discombobulate> keepin it real
Jul 12 19:49:09 <anivrom> Oops ==*
Jul 12 19:49:24 <anivrom> Oops ===*
Jul 12 19:49:59 <BigBiff> bass makes necks redder
Jul 12 19:50:09 <BigBiff> :-p
Jul 12 19:50:14 <anivrom> Negative!
Jul 12 19:50:14 <discombobulate> my pre won't use wirc unless i'm on wifi
Jul 12 19:50:33 <discombobulate> is that common?
Jul 12 19:50:40 <BigBiff> ya, ud better have solid 3g if no wifi
Jul 12 19:50:42 <CTLAdvance> bass makes skulls roll... as in "kick his ass seabass"
Jul 12 19:51:17 <anivrom> I'm in a truck all day with  12v AC inverter which powers my wall jack which allows me to "maintain" a steady charge with wIRC
Jul 12 19:51:18 <CTLAdvance> old movie joke fail
Jul 12 19:51:41 <BigBiff> heh
Jul 12 19:52:06 <BigBiff> vaguely recall the reference
Jul 12 19:52:26 <egaudet_work> discombobulate: do you have preferred interface set?
Jul 12 19:52:53 <BigBiff> bah, moodle's kinda weak
Jul 12 19:52:54 <anivrom> Discombobulate: I think its in preferences
Jul 12 19:53:16 <anivrom> Yea that one
Jul 12 19:53:54 <anivrom> Megaman = win
Jul 12 19:55:55 <anivrom> Am I a geek cause I listen to megaman soundtracks for fun?
Jul 12 19:56:27 <anivrom> That music is freakin epic though. Especially 3
Jul 12 19:57:15 <CTLAdvance> anivrom - you might like bitshifter
Jul 12 19:59:36 * anivrom has expediantly started rockin out to bitshifter
Jul 12 19:59:57 <anivrom> 8 bit is king
Jul 12 20:01:11 <elyon> Hey, does anyone know how to use gdb?
Jul 12 20:02:01 <elyon> Linux debugging?
Jul 12 20:02:15 <egaudet_work> man gdb
Jul 12 20:02:21 <egaudet_work> personally I just use printf and syslog
Jul 12 20:02:52 <elyon> I have a compiled program which doesn't run
Jul 12 20:03:02 <elyon> I just need to get a little more insight as to why its failing
Jul 12 20:03:20 <elyon> There's a million files, so trying to add trace statements probably wouldn't help me ... I don't even know how it all fits together :)
Jul 12 20:10:10 <CTLAdvance> anyone seen windows phone 7?
Jul 12 20:10:23 <anivrom> :O
Jul 12 20:10:48 <anivrom> What devices use windows arm.... Haven't heard of any
Jul 12 20:22:35 <kesne> Hey all!
Jul 12 20:23:12 <anivrom> sugardave: good doc. Now I have a little direction when I need to use the back gesture
Jul 12 20:25:54 <anivrom> Bitshifter is amazing.
Jul 12 20:27:35 <dawm> anivrom, my htc mogul had an arm processor
Jul 12 20:29:17 <anivrom> Dawn: um I don't exactly know the correlation O_o
Jul 12 20:29:33 <dawm> <anivrom> What devices use windows arm.... Haven't heard of any
Jul 12 20:29:38 <anivrom> Ah
Jul 12 20:30:04 <dawm> not sure if were talking about the same stuff tho ;p
Jul 12 20:30:08 <dawm> kinda late to the conv
Jul 12 20:30:16 <anivrom> :P
Jul 12 20:30:23 <kesne> dawm!
Jul 12 20:31:34 <anivrom> Bag my workplace has zero reception practically. Gonna get dc'ed while I do my offload bit :O
Jul 12 20:35:43 <14WAAXOO2> Test
Jul 12 20:35:52 <halfhalo_class> hi
Jul 12 20:35:56 <14WAAXOO2> Ooo so mysterious
Jul 12 20:35:56 <BigBiff> icles
Jul 12 20:36:06 <14WAAXOO2> Who am I? :O
Jul 12 20:36:19 <halfhalo_class> I dunno, havent looked at my location thing yet
Jul 12 21:07:25 <warpdesign> msg nickserv identify warpdesign aqwzsx
Jul 12 21:07:35 <halfhalo_class> FAIL
Jul 12 21:07:37 <warpdesign> yep
Jul 12 21:07:39 <warpdesign> snif
Jul 12 21:07:40 <pandora--> wow
Jul 12 21:07:41 <pandora--> nice
Jul 12 21:09:17 <warpdesign> I knew this would happen :)
Jul 12 21:09:22 <warpdesign> this really sucks :)
Jul 12 21:09:33 <pandora--> heheh
Jul 12 21:10:06 <warpdesign> anyway, someone to test an app on a real device ?
Jul 12 21:10:19 <14WAAXOO2> Lmfao
Jul 12 21:22:40 <kesne> I need somebody to look at a UI
Jul 12 21:22:49 <hemna> I left my eyes at home
Jul 12 21:24:34 <elyon> Who needs what tested?
Jul 12 21:26:46 <warpdesign> nah, nobody left his eyes at home ;)
Jul 12 21:26:56 <kesne> I do
Jul 12 21:27:06 <kesne> I need to figure out this UI
Jul 12 21:27:52 <halfhalo_class> your a UI
Jul 12 21:31:23 <pandora--> halfhalo_class: ehhhhhhh
Jul 12 21:31:33 <kesne> *you're
Jul 12 21:31:43 <pandora--> kesne: ty.
Jul 12 21:31:47 <kesne> I HATE pizels
Jul 12 21:32:11 <halfhalo_class> I hate the fact I have to use an html table right now
Jul 12 21:40:45 <kesne> I love tables!
Jul 12 21:45:26 <zsoc> halfhalo_class: you never need to use html tables
Jul 12 21:45:29 <zsoc> css ftw
Jul 12 21:46:01 <halfhalo_class> level of effort of using tables for this: 1.  Level of effort of using css for this: 99/
Jul 12 21:46:20 <zsoc> css does not require effort, your just bad at it
Jul 12 21:46:28 <zsoc> (seewatididther?)
Jul 12 21:46:31 <halfhalo_class> it does when the entire site is a table
Jul 12 21:46:38 <halfhalo_class> and I'm to lazy to do anything bout it
Jul 12 21:48:35 <halfhalo_class> yay php server which has no error messages or log which i have to dev on right now!
Jul 12 21:50:11 <warpdesign> so, no one to test a new app ?
Jul 12 21:51:05 <kesne> I made an arrow with CSS
Jul 12 21:51:12 <pandora--> warpdesign: what's the app?
Jul 12 21:52:05 <warpdesign> little solitaire game
Jul 12 21:53:38 <halfhalo_class> DIE IN A FIRE PHP
Jul 12 21:54:23 <warpdesign> lol
Jul 12 21:54:27 <warpdesign> what's wrong with php ?
Jul 12 21:54:35 <halfhalo_class> its being retarted
Jul 12 21:57:52 <sugardave> I'm beginning to feel that way about XML
Jul 12 21:58:05 <halfhalo_class> xml is easy if you have ze dom
Jul 12 21:58:27 <sugardave> well, this is some lame-ass plist -> xml iphone abomination
Jul 12 21:58:46 <sugardave> and I'm having trouble saying get tag when it's text is "this"
Jul 12 21:59:04 <sugardave> that's all I want to do, find one tag out of 302 of them
Jul 12 21:59:40 <halfhalo_class> getElementbyTagName?
Jul 12 21:59:55 <halfhalo_class> GetElements*
Jul 12 22:00:05 <sugardave> right, that gets me all the tags of type 'key'...but then I want to find just one of those
Jul 12 22:00:15 <sugardave> <key>The One</key>
Jul 12 22:01:31 <pandora--> sugardave: xpath
Jul 12 22:01:41 <halfhalo_class> why not just run through it and do an if statement on each
Jul 12 22:01:47 <halfhalo_class> SCREW XPATH
Jul 12 22:01:51 <sugardave> halfhalo_class: there are a lot of them
Jul 12 22:01:54 <halfhalo_class> that shit be complicated
Jul 12 22:02:03 <sugardave> xpath...I've dealt with that somewhat in my real job
Jul 12 22:02:14 <sugardave> pandora--: got a link to study up how to do it in my code?
Jul 12 22:02:24 <halfhalo_class> As long as its not like a bazillion of them, then it shouldn't matter
Jul 12 22:02:25 <pandora--> xpath is a very powerful way to do exactly what you're looking to do
Jul 12 22:02:30 <pandora--> without all the for looping
Jul 12 22:02:38 <tim> How can I invoke a Linux command from my Palm Pre app?
Jul 12 22:02:45 <halfhalo_class> you dont
Jul 12 22:02:53 <sugardave> tim: use Terminal?
Jul 12 22:02:57 <sugardave> oh in your app
Jul 12 22:02:58 <sugardave> nope
Jul 12 22:03:03 <zsoc> tim: you can, but it won't make it into the app catalog
Jul 12 22:03:15 <tim> That's fine, I don't need it to get into the app catalog.
Jul 12 22:03:27 <zsoc> tim: ok, then you can, but you're asking in the wrong channel ;) #webos-internals
Jul 12 22:03:36 <tim> I'll go there then.  Thanks.
Jul 12 22:04:15 <halfhalo_class> xpath is like the regex of xml.  It will burn
Jul 12 22:04:32 <sugardave> ah, .evaluate()
Jul 12 22:07:13 <halfhalo_class> your .evaluate()
Jul 12 22:08:03 <elyon> Yeah, I wish XML in Javascript was like Actionscript 3
Jul 12 22:08:26 <elyon> It was recommended as the new standard, but it got voted down, probably because of the work involved in implementing it
Jul 12 22:09:07 <HattCzech_work> best support e-mail ever...
Jul 12 22:09:09 <elyon> for each (var author in xml.Books.Book.Author)
Jul 12 22:09:12 <elyon> done
Jul 12 22:09:22 <halfhalo_class> email smemail
Jul 12 22:09:25 <HattCzech_work> "What a pity! Such a beautifully designed app. but it's worthless."
Jul 12 22:09:35 <BigBiff> eww, I can't do for each statements
Jul 12 22:09:36 <elyon> What was that for?
Jul 12 22:09:41 <HattCzech_work> and they sent me this because?
Jul 12 22:09:46 <HattCzech_work> TXT Group
Jul 12 22:09:49 <BigBiff> they mess with my head
Jul 12 22:10:14 <sugardave> collection.each(function(){});
Jul 12 22:10:31 <BigBiff> there ya go
Jul 12 22:10:32 <elyon> Well, it's nice in AS3 with everything strongly typed
Jul 12 22:10:36 <BigBiff> prototype
Jul 12 22:11:23 <elyon> for each (var button:Sprite in buttons) { button.x = 100; button.y = 100; }
Jul 12 22:12:10 <elyon> Much nicer than for (var i:uint = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) { var button:Sprite = buttons[i] as Sprite; button.x = 100; button.y = 100; }
Jul 12 22:14:12 <warpdesign> ok, guess I'll do it myself then ;)
Jul 12 22:17:05 <halfhalo_class> ah needs ah new server
Jul 12 22:23:53 <haeffb> where's my new webos device?
Jul 12 22:24:09 <BigBiff> I've got it
Jul 12 22:24:38 <Anivrom> Did they announce any yet?
Jul 12 22:24:45 <BigBiff> haeffb: advice - take phone out of pocket before entering ocean
Jul 12 22:25:04 <Anivrom> and be disconnected from teh cloud? no chance
Jul 12 22:26:01 <BigBiff> well, the centro sucks when full of seawater. but the pre is probably fine cause it's newer
Jul 12 22:26:13 <sugardave> oh, my big O'Reilly book has some xpath in it
Jul 12 22:26:16 * sugardave reads.
Jul 12 22:26:30 <halfhalo_class> fff 20 a month for slicehost
Jul 12 22:27:16 <BigBiff> I never got xpath to work on one of my ajaxofiles
Jul 12 22:27:33 <BigBiff> was weird
Jul 12 22:27:38 <BigBiff> I'm weird
Jul 12 22:31:48 <sugardave> it's a good thing they decided to make xpath use 1-indexed arrays
Jul 12 22:31:49 <sugardave> gah
Jul 12 22:44:01 <sugardave> pandora--: any hint for if my xml response returns DOM Exception 9 when I try to evaluate it?
Jul 12 22:47:06 <kesne> I can't figure out how to format this damn CSS
Jul 12 22:47:10 <kesne> I want to use a table
Jul 12 22:50:19 <kesne> Anybody want to help me with this CSS?
Jul 12 22:54:06 <sugardave> I can try
Jul 12 22:56:22 <BigBiff> kesne: paste, sugardave will solve it, but I'd like to see
Jul 12 22:56:38 * Anivrom grabs popcorn
Jul 12 22:56:40 <kesne> Hah
Jul 12 22:56:52 <sugardave> voyeurs
Jul 12 22:57:07 <kesne> I need to make a table-like layout
Jul 12 22:57:12 <BigBiff> Anvirom is supposed to be starting on my sat tracker
Jul 12 22:57:28 <Anivrom> lol
Jul 12 22:57:39 <BigBiff> chop chop
Jul 12 22:58:44 * haeffb needs a webos tablet for the beach
Jul 12 22:58:58 <haeffb> don't want sand in my keyboard
Jul 12 22:59:15 * BigBiff is on the outside looking in
Jul 12 23:00:33 <BigBiff> webos tablet with kendle screen for sunlight
Jul 12 23:01:16 <warpdesign> kesne: what's wrong ?
Jul 12 23:01:28 <kesne> I'm already working with dave :P
Jul 12 23:01:38 <warpdesign> i'd like to know too ;)
Jul 12 23:01:53 <BigBiff> ya, let us in
Jul 12 23:02:03 <BigBiff> cmon guuuuys
Jul 12 23:02:21 <BigBiff> aww gee I never get to play
Jul 12 23:02:59 * BigBiff puts hands in pockets, kicks sand with chuck taylors
Jul 12 23:03:43 <sugardave> n00b isn't using prototype :P
Jul 12 23:04:02 <warpdesign> well, good for him :p
Jul 12 23:04:03 <BigBiff> .pluck()
Jul 12 23:04:35 <elyon> Just curious ... how do you guys feel about Prototype vs. jQuery?
Jul 12 23:04:47 <elyon> Obviously webOS uses Prototype, so it seems better to work with what's already there ...
Jul 12 23:05:07 <warpdesign> well, guess prototype is better for real apps
Jul 12 23:05:09 <BigBiff> I don't know jquery, so obviously prototype is superior
Jul 12 23:05:10 <elyon> But in other projects, I've always liked jQuery. I'd be curious to hear how you feel about the two, outside of webOS
Jul 12 23:05:27 <warpdesign> jQuery being better for sites
Jul 12 23:05:52 <sugardave> BigBiff: +1
Jul 12 23:06:01 <BigBiff> because I fear/dont like things I don't understand
Jul 12 23:06:01 <Tibfib> +2!
Jul 12 23:06:04 <warpdesign> prototype implements stuff which make JavaScript look more like traditionnal object languages
Jul 12 23:06:12 <warpdesign> jQuery doesn't change that at all
Jul 12 23:06:15 <BigBiff> true dat
Jul 12 23:06:24 <elyon> jQuery has seemed to perform better when I do sites ..
Jul 12 23:06:28 <elyon> But maybe that is the difference
Jul 12 23:06:36 <elyon> Since a normal site might be a mix of, say, CSS, HTML, PHP, JS
Jul 12 23:06:42 <elyon> Working in that environment well
Jul 12 23:06:48 <warpdesign> that being said, I love jQuery
Jul 12 23:06:50 <elyon> Versus a Javascript-only approach
Jul 12 23:07:08 <BigBiff> jquery has some animations built in, rigt?
Jul 12 23:07:11 <elyon> I work way better with webOS when I use Class.create
Jul 12 23:07:17 <elyon> And a lot of extensions that are nice
Jul 12 23:07:26 <BigBiff> like .hide, etc
Jul 12 23:07:29 <elyon> $('my-div').corner ();
Jul 12 23:07:42 <warpdesign> my app uses jQuery for selectors/dom manipulation and standard js for everything else
Jul 12 23:07:55 <warpdesign> didn't take (have) the time to learn prototype yet
Jul 12 23:08:16 <BigBiff> aren't the selectors pretty similar?
Jul 12 23:08:26 <elyon> Seemed like jQuery basically is a newer, more advanced version of Prototype
Jul 12 23:08:37 <warpdesign> no idea
Jul 12 23:08:40 <elyon> but maybe not with the class structure, OOP changes Prototype brings
Jul 12 23:08:54 <warpdesign> iirc $ shortcut only selects by id with prototype
Jul 12 23:08:57 <BigBiff> and the snazzy enumerables
Jul 12 23:09:02 <warpdesign> and dom manipulation is quite different
Jul 12 23:10:17 <elyon> Hmm, here's an interesting comparison
Jul 12 23:10:18 <elyon> Prototype does what a ?framwork? is supposed to do. It is a layer between the HTML dom objects the developer and functionality is done through a set of classes.
Jul 12 23:10:18 <elyon> JQuery is, for lack of better word, a straight DOM manipulator. It also provides a layer between the JavaScript and HTML, but it is more direct and simpler so it is rather provided as a ?library? than a ?framework?.
Jul 12 23:10:18 <elyon> I guess which one to pick largely depends on the developer because neither could really go wrong. It is really about how you look at HTML frontend coding, or whether you are more comfortable with treating the HTML dom as an individual entity and Javascript as UI helper; or JavaScript as a UI driver and HTML is a product of it.
Jul 12 23:10:18 <elyon> I personally enjoyed using JQuery and I like it a lot. And I believe JavaScript should stay small in the whole HTML UI design and not to be too complicated.
Jul 12 23:10:26 <elyon> That makes sense
Jul 12 23:10:38 <elyon> Javascript complementing HTML, versus driving it, like in a webOS app
Jul 12 23:11:09 <elyon> That difference was kind of the hardest part of learning how to do webOS applications
Jul 12 23:11:14 <elyon> It's kind of a different paradigm
Jul 12 23:11:35 <BigBiff> anyone use prototype for web design?
Jul 12 23:11:37 <elyon> Most of the time my dynamic elements in websites are driven by PHP, not Javascript
Jul 12 23:11:55 <BigBiff> php is not my friend
Jul 12 23:12:09 <elyon> I wasn't really into it until I started using Concrete5
Jul 12 23:12:12 <elyon> Which is awesome
Jul 12 23:12:24 <warpdesign> well, other difference is that JavaScript is based on prototype/objects.. and prototype tries to bring more traditionnal object with classes, inheritance,.. to JavaScript
Jul 12 23:12:26 <elyon> You can code a static HTML page ...
Jul 12 23:12:35 <elyon> Then enhance it with some CMS features
Jul 12 23:12:38 <BigBiff> mainly because the ? is my least favorite punctuation
Jul 12 23:12:44 <BigBiff> :p
Jul 12 23:13:04 <elyon> Totally better than working with a big, full-featured theme, and trying to strip it down without breaking the CMS
Jul 12 23:13:05 <warpdesign> sure, but if your page needs to call the server (php) for every interaction, it's kinda slow..
Jul 12 23:13:08 <elyon> Like others I've tried to use
Jul 12 23:13:16 <elyon> Caching
Jul 12 23:13:27 <elyon> Plus, drag-and-drop reusable content blocks are nice
Jul 12 23:14:13 <elyon> http://www.concrete5.org/about/builders-tour/
Jul 12 23:14:21 <BigBiff> I swear I've never been on a website with drag/drop
Jul 12 23:14:33 <BigBiff> except for trying to learn it
Jul 12 23:14:36 <torchie> ye
Jul 12 23:14:57 <elyon> You click to login
Jul 12 23:14:59 <elyon> You see the page
Jul 12 23:15:02 <elyon> You click "add block"
Jul 12 23:15:07 <elyon> you choose the one you want, like image
Jul 12 23:15:16 <elyon> You browse thumbnails of the images you have in the file manager
Jul 12 23:15:17 <elyon> Click add
Jul 12 23:15:26 <elyon> You see it on the page instantly
Jul 12 23:15:27 <elyon> CLick done
Jul 12 23:15:31 <elyon> It's the live site
Jul 12 23:15:36 <elyon> Works really well with clients
Jul 12 23:15:58 <elyon> Way better than "add a post here, then tag it with this category, then it appears on this other place on the site ..."
Jul 12 23:16:23 <elyon> And it doesn't break every time there's a new version
Jul 12 23:16:33 <kesne> BigBiff: did you mention prototype
Jul 12 23:17:12 * BigBiff points to dave
Jul 12 23:18:18 <BigBiff> woh
Jul 12 23:18:33 <BigBiff> protify in jquery is cool
Jul 12 23:19:28 <BigBiff> it steals prototype enumerables
Jul 12 23:19:43 <BigBiff> kinda dirty
Jul 12 23:20:12 <BigBiff> steal? steel?
Jul 12 23:38:56 <harley_> Hi, I think this is the right place to ask. But where can I find development tools for PalmOS, you know, the palm operating system for palm pilots?
Jul 12 23:39:09 <dawm> lol @ precentral for being slow :P
Jul 12 23:39:12 <BigBiff> eek
Jul 12 23:39:24 <dawm> http://www.precentral.net/bing-mobile-search-works-great-webos-video
Jul 12 23:39:37 <torchie> bing looked kinda sexy on mobile
Jul 12 23:39:41 <torchie> it's the background picture
Jul 12 23:39:41 <dawm> i already 'patched' to add Bing and Yahoo!
Jul 12 23:39:43 <dawm> http://twitpic.com/22tq8q
Jul 12 23:39:54 <BigBiff> ya
Jul 12 23:39:56 <torchie> the thing about it thought
Jul 12 23:39:58 <Tibfib> harley_: ummm, I have no idea where you can find that information
Jul 12 23:40:05 <torchie> is it's Just Not Googleâ„¢
Jul 12 23:40:05 <dawm> Palm already had it in, they just didnt add the 1 line to include it in the UI
Jul 12 23:41:47 <BigBiff> I needs some webOS-info
Jul 12 23:42:02 <dawm> its kinda sad
Jul 12 23:42:06 <dawm> google is falling behind
Jul 12 23:42:20 <BigBiff> I'd say they'll manage
Jul 12 23:42:22 <dawm> and their solution is to buy whoever is ahead, or to copy
Jul 12 23:42:52 <kesne> who is webos-info?
Jul 12 23:43:15 <BigBiff> dundunduuuuuuun
Jul 12 23:44:17 <BigBiff> webOS-info: who is kesne ?
Jul 12 23:44:17 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness.
Jul 12 23:44:36 <kesne> Is he really back?
Jul 12 23:44:41 <kesne> webos-info: sugardave
Jul 12 23:44:41 <webOS-info> hmmm... sugardave is haeffb's arch-foe.
Jul 12 23:44:45 <kesne> YES!
Jul 12 23:44:48 <torchie> falling behind who?
Jul 12 23:44:50 <kesne> Who revived him?
Jul 12 23:44:54 <torchie> 
Jul 12 23:45:03 <EmmettLollis> webOS-info: kesne
Jul 12 23:45:03 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness.
Jul 12 23:45:33 <kesne> webos-info: status
Jul 12 23:45:33 <webOS-info> Since Mon Jul 12 14:58:07 2010, there have been 0 modifications and 4 questions.  I have been awake for 4 hours, 47 minutes, 26 seconds this session, and currently reference 97 factoids. Addressing is in require mode.
Jul 12 23:45:53 <harley_> So there's no dev-tools anymore for palm PDAs? I mean, I have a tungsten E, and I would really like to develop for it.
Jul 12 23:46:46 <BigBiff> I'm sure the tools are still around somewhere
Jul 12 23:47:05 <BigBiff> smithsonian? :p
Jul 12 23:47:52 <BigBiff> it's all C based isn't it?
Jul 12 23:48:38 <harley_> How much backwards compatibility do you think they have with older versions? Such as 5.2.1 and 3.1?
Jul 12 23:48:43 <harley_> Yeah I think
Jul 12 23:49:03 <harley_> Does gcc include palm?
Jul 12 23:49:09 <harley_> I don't think so, but...
Jul 12 23:49:13 <Anivrom> harley_: check the smithsonian institute for decrepid/retired/stoneage technology
Jul 12 23:49:29 <Anivrom> They might have something they can dust off for ya :)
Jul 12 23:49:31 <dawm> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/12/apple-drops-consumer-reports-discussion-threads-down-memory-hole/
Jul 12 23:50:12 <Mousey> rlly?
Jul 12 23:50:17 <harley_> I can't tell if that's a joke or it's serious
Jul 12 23:50:37 <dawm> harley_, both
Jul 12 23:50:55 <Anivrom> lol
Jul 12 23:51:17 <harley_> Yeah I don't know how to respond to that
Jul 12 23:51:59 <Anivrom> Having said that I still have a tungsten T2 which I love. I went through many bad days with that thing ticking by my side
Jul 12 23:52:27 <harley_> And screen whining?
Jul 12 23:52:36 <Anivrom> Hmm?
Jul 12 23:52:42 <haeffb> webOS-info: woohoo!
Jul 12 23:52:42 <webOS-info> haeffb: what?
Jul 12 23:52:57 <haeffb> webOS-info woohoo! is webos-info is back!!!
Jul 12 23:52:57 <webOS-info> OK, haeffb.
Jul 12 23:53:05 <haeffb> webOS-info: woohoo!
Jul 12 23:53:06 <webOS-info> well, woohoo! is i am back!!!
Jul 12 23:53:15 <harley_> HI!
Jul 12 23:53:34 <harley_> Do YOU know where I can find palmOS dev utils?!
Jul 12 23:53:45 <Anivrom> harley_: did you try googling it?
Jul 12 23:53:47 <haeffb> who, me?
Jul 12 23:53:48 <haeffb> nope
Jul 12 23:54:11 <Anivrom> That would be a GREAT place to start :)
Jul 12 23:54:17 <harley_> For a few months now. No avail.
Jul 12 23:54:22 <Anivrom> Oh :P
Jul 12 23:54:23 <harley_> Lots of broken pages
Jul 12 23:55:20 <Anivrom> http://www.netmeister.org/palm/PalmMisc/PalmMisc.html
Jul 12 23:55:24 <Anivrom> lol!
Jul 12 23:55:58 <Anivrom> He leaves AS I'm pasting him a relevant link which I found in google in - About 545,000 results  (0.24 seconds) -
Jul 12 23:56:34 <BigBiff> bah, pre browser thinks a drag is multitouch
Jul 12 23:57:03 <BigBiff> unless I have a phantom finger
Jul 12 23:57:11 <Anivrom> those are weird eh?
Jul 12 23:57:19 <BigBiff> which would be cool
Jul 12 23:57:26 <Anivrom> I read an article in scientific american mind about phantom limbs.
Jul 12 23:57:58 <Anivrom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_limb
Jul 12 23:58:05 * BigBiff thinks of  bad joke
Jul 12 23:58:22 <Anivrom> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=phantom-limb-cure-retrain-brain
Jul 12 23:58:47 <BigBiff> so ur saying I had 11 digits and one was removed at birth?
Jul 12 23:59:01 <Anivrom> O_o
Jul 12 23:59:17 <BigBiff> I bet it was growing from my elbow
Jul 12 23:59:23 <Anivrom> o_O
Jul 13 00:00:11 <BigBiff> so anyway, kepler
Jul 13 00:00:33 <Anivrom> O_O
Jul 13 00:01:47 <MrUnagi> anyone here know how to tether sprint palm pre over bluetooth or usb on os x?
Jul 13 00:01:54 <Anivrom> ô_Ó
Jul 13 00:02:38 <BigBiff> orbital mechanics
Jul 13 00:02:38 <BigBiff> still waiting
Jul 13 00:02:58 <Anivrom> don't hold your breathe :P
Jul 13 00:04:03 <dawm> hehe
Jul 13 00:04:12 <dawm> someone on facebook referred to the iPhone as the iPaid2Much
Jul 13 00:04:28 <zsoc> MrUnagi: if os x supports usbnet, then freetether will work
Jul 13 00:04:51 <Anivrom> dawm: you seem to be mighty interested in the iphone4, hope you're not abandoning us :P
Jul 13 00:05:00 <dawm> no
Jul 13 00:05:08 <dawm> im just catching up on the internets news
Jul 13 00:05:18 <dawm> i have a ipod touch and i hate it with a passion
Jul 13 00:05:21 <dawm> no gestures!
Jul 13 00:05:23 <Anivrom> there's way too much news to catch up on.
Jul 13 00:05:34 <Anivrom> You don't know what you got till it's gone when it comes to the pre...
Jul 13 00:05:45 <Anivrom> webOS is so far advanced.
Jul 13 00:06:04 <dawm> people just dont know about it
Jul 13 00:06:08 <dawm> or what they're missing
Jul 13 00:06:11 <Anivrom> Mhmm
Jul 13 00:06:18 <dawm> multitasking vs webos multitasking..
Jul 13 00:06:27 <dawm> oh my driod can do that.. no sir it cannot
Jul 13 00:06:30 <BigBiff> agreed
Jul 13 00:06:50 <Anivrom> The card system is ingenious and intuitive
Jul 13 00:07:18 <Anivrom> I couldnt figure out how to navigate on the iphone cause I didnt get the concept of... 1 button must do EVERYTHING
Jul 13 00:07:59 <Anivrom> Almost as if I was using a ghetto mac 1 button mouse
Jul 13 00:08:31 <dawm> it just doesnt make sense to me
Jul 13 00:08:43 <dawm> its now the 4th gen OS/Device
Jul 13 00:08:51 <dawm> and its got retarded navigation
Jul 13 00:08:56 <elyon> "Multitasking done right," they say
Jul 13 00:09:07 <Anivrom> Hmmm this.petStatus.ZZZCoord.length--; seems to chop off the first array element and not the last... pretty gay.
Jul 13 00:09:17 <dawm> if you consider multitasking only doing 1 thing while making a call.. then yes
Jul 13 00:09:22 <Anivrom> lol
Jul 13 00:09:24 <elyon> I wonder when people will get that it's obstinateness, not innovation
Jul 13 00:09:41 <elyon> Just because "your" way is "the" way doesn't mean it's genius
Jul 13 00:10:14 <dawm> HPalm needs to do better marketing, or give everyone a webOS device that will self destruct after 2days
Jul 13 00:10:21 <Anivrom> rofl
Jul 13 00:10:39 <Anivrom> A month of massive tv commercials would prolly go far
Jul 13 00:10:44 <BigBiff> I like that idea
Jul 13 00:10:46 <dawm> im sick of the argument that webos has no apps
Jul 13 00:10:47 <elyon> Well, it kind of bugs me when I go into a wireless store
Jul 13 00:10:57 <dawm> it has plenty of apps.. inwhich you can have open all at the same time
Jul 13 00:11:07 <dawm> iOS has tons of apps.. but you can only use 1 at a time
Jul 13 00:11:07 <elyon> Every time, I see some guy saying, "Well, this Android phone here ... and this dumb phone here ..."
Jul 13 00:11:12 <BigBiff> apple marketing = genius
Jul 13 00:11:12 <elyon> and they skip right over the Palm
Jul 13 00:11:17 <elyon> It's like ... dude.
Jul 13 00:11:23 <Anivrom> Iphone has better apps at the upper end of the scale, but it has 90,000 apps at the lowest end of the scale
Jul 13 00:11:34 <dawm> whats the point of having x-illion apps if you can only use one?
Jul 13 00:11:35 <elyon> If having the biggest app catalog makes it the right platform ...
Jul 13 00:11:42 <elyon> Why are people buying Macs instead of PCs?
Jul 13 00:11:45 <elyon> Riddle me that
Jul 13 00:11:59 <elyon> I mean, I love Windows ... but not "just because" it has the biggest app catalog ever.
Jul 13 00:12:03 <dawm> well honestly.. now its because of the iPhone
Jul 13 00:12:17 <Anivrom> how do I chop off the last element in an array?
Jul 13 00:12:20 <dawm> before it was because of the iPod
Jul 13 00:12:25 <Anivrom> this.petStatus.ZZZCoord.length--; doesn't work
Jul 13 00:12:32 <Anivrom> it appears to chop off the first..
Jul 13 00:12:34 <elyon> Isn't it pop()?
Jul 13 00:12:37 <Anivrom> ah..
Jul 13 00:12:42 <Anivrom> yes ty
Jul 13 00:12:56 <dawm> or you can slice
Jul 13 00:13:06 <BigBiff> pluck
Jul 13 00:13:18 <BigBiff> maybe not pluck
Jul 13 00:14:23 <elyon> Is anyone here familiar with compiling shared libraries in C++?
Jul 13 00:14:26 <elyon> Using GCC?
Jul 13 00:14:30 <Anivrom> dkirker: I always read your name as dirker a.k.a dirka dirka!
Jul 13 00:15:58 <Anivrom> ok... now my app broke...
Jul 13 00:16:07 <Anivrom> Just from putting .pop();
Jul 13 00:16:39 <elyon> var hello = [ "hello", "there" ];
Jul 13 00:16:42 <elyon> hello.pop ();
Jul 13 00:16:49 <BigBiff> ooh, without()
Jul 13 00:16:50 <elyon> Mojo.Log.info (hello);
Jul 13 00:16:52 <Anivrom> I know it's usage :P
Jul 13 00:17:12 <Anivrom> its*?
Jul 13 00:17:20 <BigBiff> never used that one
Jul 13 00:17:55 <elyon> That's how you create an array, then remove the last item
Jul 13 00:18:12 <elyon> Is that kind of like how you are using it?
Jul 13 00:18:15 <Anivrom> ah it broke cause of some simultaneous code changes uncompleted. thoughtCount instead of this.thoughtCount
Jul 13 00:18:23 <elyon> ah :)
Jul 13 00:18:45 <BigBiff> this=that.bind(this)
Jul 13 00:19:01 <Anivrom> My log in ares doesn't update sometimes so when I check the log for errors it wont show unless I click off and then on again -_-
Jul 13 00:19:05 <Anivrom> screws me over sometimes
Jul 13 00:19:40 <Anivrom> What do you expect for 1.0 :P
Jul 13 00:19:51 <elyon> Error: Could not load module webOS@go_go_gadget_superphone
Jul 13 00:20:05 <BigBiff> heh
Jul 13 00:20:16 <elyon> I would have tried Areas, except that Opera got the brush
Jul 13 00:20:19 <pandora--> chuqui: ping?
Jul 13 00:20:25 <elyon> And I'm like, "No way!"
Jul 13 00:20:28 <chuqui> ping
Jul 13 00:20:29 <elyon> And Ares is like, "Way!"
Jul 13 00:20:37 <BigBiff> if bp engineers wouldve been using webos...
Jul 13 00:20:42 <elyon> So I'm like, "Forget that! I'll use FlashDevelop. Ka-chow!"
Jul 13 00:21:02 <Anivrom> :P
Jul 13 00:21:06 <elyon> I'm not going to install a new browser for Ares
Jul 13 00:21:06 <pandora--> chuqui: thanks :)  is there a way to update my email info in my developer account?  i'm moving my hosting off the domain i have that email going to...
Jul 13 00:21:35 <elyon> I think you just resubmit your application, with your updated meta data
Jul 13 00:21:48 <pandora--> no, i mean in my palm developer account
Jul 13 00:21:54 <pandora--> not the app meta data
Jul 13 00:22:22 <elyon> Ah, I see
Jul 13 00:22:30 <elyon> Yeah, it lets you change your password, but not your email
Jul 13 00:22:37 <pandora--> yeah :(
Jul 13 00:22:50 <pandora--> i'm most definitely not getting any emails from that domain anymore, shut down
Jul 13 00:22:56 <pandora--> so i need to update my account
Jul 13 00:23:06 <elyon> Maybe you need to create a new developer account, and transfer ownership of the app somehow?
Jul 13 00:23:18 <pandora--> blech I hope not
Jul 13 00:23:26 <pandora--> chuqui: has all the answers though :D
Jul 13 00:23:32 <chuqui> pandora send me email, I'll get it updated for you.
Jul 13 00:23:44 <pandora--> thanks
Jul 13 00:23:56 <chuqui> it's what I do.
Jul 13 00:24:04 <chuqui> (to avoid real work)
Jul 13 00:24:35 <Anivrom> Ok so turns out my brain isnt working today and I actually need to chop off the FIRST element.
Jul 13 00:24:45 <elyon> shift ()
Jul 13 00:25:01 <elyon> shift (), unshift (), pop (), push ()
Jul 13 00:26:45 <Tibfib> w3schools.com has this info
Jul 13 00:27:09 <Anivrom> http://www.hunlock.com/blogs/Mastering_Javascript_Arrays
Jul 13 00:27:22 <Anivrom> reading again. read it once but forgot most
Jul 13 00:28:27 <elyon> this.processQueue (this.queuedItems.shift ());
Jul 13 00:29:16 <elyon> this.fixMyCPlusPlusLibraries ();
Jul 13 00:29:28 <elyon> Error: Could not find module magic@wand__0
Jul 13 00:29:45 <elyon> printf 'sigh'
Jul 13 00:37:53 <sugardave> dammit, has anyone gotten xpath to work with some arbitrary responseXML?
Jul 13 00:40:40 <alexfner> question time
Jul 13 00:40:45 <alexfner> I am embarassed
Jul 13 00:40:51 <alexfner> but I cannot set the label of a button in ares
Jul 13 00:40:57 <Anivrom> in runtime?
Jul 13 00:41:00 <alexfner> the button label is buttonOne
Jul 13 00:41:05 <alexfner> set and event listener
Jul 13 00:41:07 <alexfner> etc
Jul 13 00:41:09 <Anivrom> dynamically?
Jul 13 00:41:13 <alexfner> it just isn't referencing properly
Jul 13 00:41:15 <alexfner> yessir
Jul 13 00:41:21 <Anivrom> From an external .js?
Jul 13 00:41:23 <alexfner> this.$.buttonOne.label = "blah";
Jul 13 00:41:34 <alexfner> For some reason isn't working
Jul 13 00:41:35 <Anivrom> from an external js?
Jul 13 00:41:39 <alexfner> no
Jul 13 00:41:42 <alexfner> same file
Jul 13 00:42:37 <Anivrom> try .setLabel = "jfkl"
Jul 13 00:43:11 <alexfner> no dice
Jul 13 00:44:07 <Anivrom> I had this exact same problem
Jul 13 00:44:22 <Anivrom> And I don't remember how I fixed it. I know the syntax is different if you are referencing from an external js
Jul 13 00:45:16 <kesne> http://api.appcelerator.net/p/pages/app_page?token=P4mThzw4
Jul 13 00:48:20 <lemketron> alexfner:  Try this.$.buttonOne.setLabel = "blah"
Jul 13 00:48:47 <palmpreuser1001> Egaudet oh damn
Jul 13 00:49:07 <palmpreuser1001> I wish somebody could point me to keyboss
Jul 13 00:49:13 <alexfner> lemketron: tried it, no dice
Jul 13 00:49:21 <lemketron> didn't see the point about "external js".  What do you mean?
Jul 13 00:49:31 <palmpreuser1001> What's the friggin preware feed?
Jul 13 00:49:45 <egaudet> webos-internals-testing and webos-kernels-testing   make sure you agree to alpha testing
Jul 13 00:49:58 <kesne> So apparently there is a community thriving on chat in Checkers
Jul 13 00:50:05 <kesne> Lots of people just sit in the chatroom
Jul 13 00:50:09 <palmpreuser1001> I thought it was
Jul 13 00:50:11 <zsoc> kesne: it's all it's good for really
Jul 13 00:50:22 <lemketron> alexfner:  what is "this" in your external js?
Jul 13 00:50:34 <alexfner> it isn't external JS
Jul 13 00:50:38 <Anivrom> The only way I can seem to update a label from an external js is by binding the label first game.petMsgBind = this.controller.get("petMsg");
Jul 13 00:50:42 <alexfner> it's the MainAssistant.prototype
Jul 13 00:50:43 <kesne> zsoc: what?
Jul 13 00:50:48 <kesne> I did not understand that message
Jul 13 00:50:54 <Anivrom> then using this.petMsg.update("text");
Jul 13 00:51:08 <Anivrom> SEems to be the only way to do it
Jul 13 00:51:16 <Anivrom> I tried eveyr combination
Jul 13 00:51:43 <Anivrom> But the syntax doesn't work if you're in the main assistant where the label is
Jul 13 00:51:46 <Anivrom> Weird.
Jul 13 00:53:56 <lemketron> alexfner:  Are you trying this in a callback that you did not bind to "this" ?
Jul 13 00:54:03 <alexfner> nope
Jul 13 00:54:23 <Anivrom> Ares is completely MESSED up when it comes to changing properties of objects.
Jul 13 00:54:35 <Anivrom> widgets* that is
Jul 13 00:54:41 <alexfner> yeah really
Jul 13 00:54:47 <alexfner> it's counterintuitive for me
Jul 13 00:54:48 <lemketron> Actually, it's really simplified and less typing than with regular mojo but the syntax is not as well documented as it could be
Jul 13 00:54:56 <alexfner> I spent a long time trying to figure it out
Jul 13 00:54:57 <alexfner> just got it
Jul 13 00:55:04 <alexfner> that's what I mean
Jul 13 00:55:05 <lemketron> what was the problem?
Jul 13 00:55:07 <alexfner> the docs are really lacking
Jul 13 00:55:13 <lemketron> yes, we're working on that.  :-(
Jul 13 00:55:18 <Anivrom> for instance, changing .src = "blah" dooesn't actually update the img and you can't call modelChanged so you have to use
Jul 13 00:55:18 <Anivrom> 			this.controller.get("cmdPlay").firstChild.src = ("images/icons/play.png");
Jul 13 00:55:23 <alexfner> my syntax
Jul 13 00:55:30 <alexfner> this.$.buttonOne.setLabel("foo");
Jul 13 00:55:41 <lemketron> that should work
Jul 13 00:55:46 <Anivrom> It doesn't lol
Jul 13 00:55:55 <alexfner> yes it does
Jul 13 00:55:56 <lemketron> well, it depends on where you're doing it
Jul 13 00:56:00 <alexfner> speak for yourself haha
Jul 13 00:56:03 <alexfner> it works for me
Jul 13 00:56:08 <alexfner> it was just a pain to find that
Jul 13 00:56:08 <lemketron> then what's the problem?
Jul 13 00:56:10 <lemketron> ah
Jul 13 00:56:14 <alexfner> I just found it
Jul 13 00:56:34 <Anivrom> <Anivrom> try .setLabel = "jfkl"
Jul 13 00:56:34 <Anivrom> <alexfner> no dice
Jul 13 00:56:40 <Anivrom> O_o
Jul 13 00:56:43 <alexfner> that doesn't work
Jul 13 00:56:45 <lemketron> alexfner: that's precisely what I suggested above.
Jul 13 00:56:46 <Anivrom> ah :P
Jul 13 00:56:49 <alexfner> setLabel("etc"); does
Jul 13 00:57:02 <Anivrom> minor syntax adjustment :P
Jul 13 00:57:11 <lemketron> eeks, right. sorry
Jul 13 00:57:19 <lemketron> missed that.
Jul 13 00:57:30 <Anivrom> Anyhow if you tried using that code in an external js it wouldn't work
Jul 13 00:57:36 <lemketron> this.controller.get can also work, but assigning .src doesn't trigger the update as Anivrom figured out
Jul 13 00:57:36 <alexfner> well sure
Jul 13 00:57:46 <lemketron> setLable does the right thing.
Jul 13 00:57:54 <lemketron> set<Member>
Jul 13 00:58:03 <Anivrom> You have to use .update("asdf"); in an external js
Jul 13 00:58:09 <lemketron> s/setLable/setLabel/
Jul 13 00:59:22 <kesne> Who is lemketron? I've always wanted to know
Jul 13 00:59:34 <Anivrom> a super swell guy
Jul 13 01:00:09 <BigBiff> webOS-info: lemketron
Jul 13 01:00:09 <webOS-info> BigBiff: huh?
Jul 13 01:00:18 <Tibfib> The bot is back!!
Jul 13 01:00:26 <kesne> webos-info: kesne
Jul 13 01:00:26 * webOS-info bows down before his greatness.
Jul 13 01:00:38 <kesne> webos-info lemketron
Jul 13 01:00:38 <webOS-info> kesne: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 01:00:45 <Tibfib> webOS-info: lemketron is ruby in disguise
Jul 13 01:00:46 <webOS-info> ...but lemketron is a super swell guy...
Jul 13 01:01:19 <lemketron> lol
Jul 13 01:01:32 <Anivrom> Tibfib: ruby weapon?
Jul 13 01:02:26 <Tibfib> Anivrom: hah, the (old) ceo of palm
Jul 13 01:02:43 <Anivrom> oh :P thought that might have been a FF7 reference
Jul 13 01:02:58 * lemketron is not ruby
Jul 13 01:03:29 <rwhitby> not yet, anyway.
Jul 13 01:03:54 <halfhalo_class> dundundundunnnnnnnnnnn
Jul 13 01:04:01 <Anivrom> the metamorphisis will come at stage six, week 14.
Jul 13 01:04:12 <Anivrom> its all top secret.
Jul 13 01:05:55 <lemketron> shhhhhh!
Jul 13 01:06:59 <halfhalo_class> I need deltaco for dinner
Jul 13 01:08:19 <Anivrom> MMMnnnnn
Jul 13 01:10:04 <alexfner> I think I will burn the poorly documented dropbox API up
Jul 13 01:10:57 <BigBiff> Anvirom: M = E - e sin E
Jul 13 01:11:06 <BigBiff> chop chop
Jul 13 01:12:03 <Anivrom> You practically have it done, just a little more I have faith in you
Jul 13 01:12:13 <BigBiff> lol
Jul 13 01:12:16 <Anivrom> :D
Jul 13 01:12:22 <BigBiff> curses
Jul 13 01:16:00 <Anivrom> Mmmmmnnn orville redenbachers extra buttery... *chomp*
Jul 13 01:17:16 <Bmyers> hi all
Jul 13 01:17:27 <Anivrom> Hey!
Jul 13 01:18:02 <Bmyers> how r things?
Jul 13 01:18:14 <Anivrom> fantastic.
Jul 13 01:18:30 <Bmyers> really. well that is good
Jul 13 01:19:00 <Bmyers> anyone seen haeffb tonight or is he still on vacation?
Jul 13 01:19:13 <Anivrom> He's around
Jul 13 01:19:18 <Anivrom> Well was
Jul 13 01:19:25 <Anivrom> an hour or 2 ago
Jul 13 01:19:35 <Bmyers> drunken stooper by now prolly
Jul 13 01:20:06 <Bmyers> i would be if i was him
Jul 13 01:20:23 <BigBiff> I'm way ahead of u
Jul 13 01:20:29 <alexfner> friends
Jul 13 01:20:33 <Bmyers> hey Big
Jul 13 01:20:40 <alexfner> lets go head on against the dropbox API
Jul 13 01:20:43 <alexfner> let's do it!
Jul 13 01:20:52 <BigBiff> yowdy
Jul 13 01:25:48 <BigBiff> hmm, pre run on virgin mobile?
Jul 13 01:26:03 <zsoc> no
Jul 13 01:26:07 <BigBiff> $25 /mo sounds nice
Jul 13 01:26:22 <BigBiff> virgin = sprint network
Jul 13 01:26:32 <Anivrom> really?
Jul 13 01:26:42 <BigBiff> suposedly
Jul 13 01:26:48 <BigBiff> +p
Jul 13 01:28:18 <zsoc> it will not work on virgin mobile, period
Jul 13 01:28:31 <zsoc> it's a proprietary mvno and requires tons of specific routing
Jul 13 01:29:59 <BigBiff> well darn
Jul 13 01:31:09 <kesne> Back
Jul 13 01:32:00 <BigBiff> webOS-info: hack my pre for virgin mobile
Jul 13 01:32:00 <webOS-info> BigBiff: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 01:32:22 <Anivrom> webOS-info follow me
Jul 13 01:32:23 <webOS-info> Anivrom: excuse me?
Jul 13 01:32:45 <BigBiff> webOS-info: I need money
Jul 13 01:32:45 <webOS-info> BigBiff: sorry...
Jul 13 01:33:33 <BigBiff> heh, it's wirc magic 8 ball
Jul 13 01:36:05 <kesne> YAY!
Jul 13 01:36:37 <Anivrom> The problem with clicking update all button is you don't know what teh heck changed in all the apps it updates.
Jul 13 01:39:20 <palsch> Yeah, I avoid the update-all now
Jul 13 01:39:36 <palsch> Dangerous
Jul 13 01:40:11 <Anivrom> although pretty tedious to read through all the changelogs for the 20 apps you have to update. especially if you miss a day or two
Jul 13 01:40:47 <elyon> Is this what they call DLL hell?
Jul 13 01:40:52 <palsch> Well, most don't matter too much
Jul 13 01:40:58 <elyon> I cannot get these libraries to match up
Jul 13 01:41:00 <elyon> What a pain
Jul 13 01:41:34 <Anivrom> eylon: You are just not having a fun time with C++, nothing but issues
Jul 13 01:41:40 <palsch> You can just hit update on most individual ones, but it's always worth checking you aren't breaking your favs
Jul 13 01:42:00 <elyon> Hah, yeah :)
Jul 13 01:42:08 <elyon> Well I got everything to compile! I'm compiling
Jul 13 01:42:10 <palsch> Like the new test wirc build ONLY FOR 1.4.5
Jul 13 01:42:18 <Anivrom> lol.
Jul 13 01:42:19 <elyon> But when the application loads the library file, it doesn't find the symbols its looking for
Jul 13 01:42:46 <elyon> So its there ... but it isn't there.
Jul 13 01:42:47 <Tibfib> palsch: I thought it was only in the testing feed...not true?
Jul 13 01:42:50 <Anivrom> Bell still hasn't released 1.4.5
Jul 13 01:43:03 <Tibfib> Neither has SPRINT...sigh
Jul 13 01:43:11 <elyon> I have 1.4.5, but it messed up and won't let me talk on the phone without a headset or speaker phone
Jul 13 01:43:17 <Anivrom> ............
Jul 13 01:43:18 <palsch> Yeah, but I use testing feed most of the time
Jul 13 01:43:18 <Anivrom> wow
Jul 13 01:43:22 <elyon> It's an alpha build, though, so I'm anxious for when it comes out
Jul 13 01:43:31 <elyon> I'm sure the "real" version has that fixed
Jul 13 01:43:50 <elyon> I installed it to do this C++ stuff
Jul 13 01:43:54 <elyon> Ugh .. so close.
Jul 13 01:44:09 <elyon> When it WORKS, happy days will be here again!
Jul 13 01:44:21 <Anivrom> So what exactly are you making eylon? A flash-like player?
Jul 13 01:44:23 <elyon> Like building games for my phone
Jul 13 01:44:32 <elyon> Have you heard of haXe before?
Jul 13 01:44:40 <Anivrom> Nope but its flash-like correct?
Jul 13 01:44:45 <Anivrom> I'll google it later
Jul 13 01:44:57 <elyon> It used to let you write Flash-like code, and publish to PHP or Neko, a server-side language they made
Jul 13 01:45:03 <elyon> I was like, "Okay, sure .."
Jul 13 01:45:10 <elyon> But since then they added Javascript and C++ support
Jul 13 01:45:34 <elyon> So once I get this library to sync, that means I can use Actionscript 3 code and libraries ... practically verbatim ... and run it as a C++ app on webOS
Jul 13 01:46:01 <Anivrom> wow. so I can port some flash games I have already made directly to webOS?
Jul 13 01:46:14 <elyon> I could settle for JS support now, but I'm sure that 1) C++ runs faster on the phone, and 2) its eligible for the PDK contest
Jul 13 01:46:16 <elyon> http://ncannasse.fr/blog/physaxe
Jul 13 01:46:24 <elyon> There's Box2D, for haXe
Jul 13 01:46:31 <elyon> Or Away3D has a haXe version
Jul 13 01:46:49 <elyon> I think the main difference is that you can't use an FLA ... I think you need to load the images as bitmaps
Jul 13 01:47:00 <Anivrom> hmmm
Jul 13 01:47:01 <elyon> C++ might not have video support built in, either
Jul 13 01:47:13 <elyon> But other than that, it's sound, graphics, animation ... C++, without writing C++
Jul 13 01:47:17 <elyon> and all that that implies
Jul 13 01:47:31 <elyon> I'm not having a fun time right now
Jul 13 01:47:35 <elyon> BUT ... I only need to do this once
Jul 13 01:47:49 <elyon> If I can get this working, I can write in haXe (AS3, basically), instead.
Jul 13 01:48:11 <sugardave> woo, basic xpath testing works
Jul 13 01:48:12 <Anivrom> I wouldn't know where to begin with that stuff... so far beyond my area of knowledge
Jul 13 01:48:13 <elyon> Then Adobe can take their sweet, sweet time and I won't be so anxious
Jul 13 01:48:35 <elyon> Yeah, you could pretty much take an existing Flash game and port it to webOS using haXe
Jul 13 01:48:45 <elyon> The same code compiles and runs in Flash
Jul 13 01:48:45 <Anivrom> nice
Jul 13 01:49:04 <elyon> The big hurdle is that the framework has never been compiled for Palm before
Jul 13 01:49:12 <elyon> So I've gone through all the steps to make that happen ... almost
Jul 13 01:49:17 <Anivrom> thats handy since I don't know C++ but I know AS3
Jul 13 01:49:22 <elyon> I'm missing a compiler flag or something, so it isn't syncing up
Jul 13 01:49:41 <elyon> And it handles a lot of things like, say, transparency, memory management, blitting ...
Jul 13 01:49:46 <Anivrom> webos-internals guys seem really good at C++ stuff, you should ask them.
Jul 13 01:49:52 <Anivrom> #webos-internals
Jul 13 01:49:54 <elyon> Stuff you don't need to worry about in Flash, but do have to worry about if you're working with C++
Jul 13 01:49:57 <elyon> Ah, great tip!
Jul 13 01:50:04 <elyon> I don't know why I didn't think of that :)
Jul 13 01:50:16 <Anivrom> Your brain is fried with C++
Jul 13 01:50:35 <elyon> I think so :S
Jul 13 01:50:53 <Wolvenhaven> yea
Jul 13 01:51:01 <Wolvenhaven> but flash is a horrible language
Jul 13 01:51:16 <Anivrom> ahem... AS3 is a great language.
Jul 13 01:51:31 <elyon> AS1/AS2 is very much like Javascript
Jul 13 01:51:33 <Anivrom> simplistic models.
Jul 13 01:51:39 <elyon> AS3 is way better
Jul 13 01:51:50 <Anivrom> Yea I started in AS3 so I only know about that.
Jul 13 01:51:57 <elyon> Especially when its paired with FlashDevelop
Jul 13 01:52:03 * Wolvenhaven shudders
Jul 13 01:52:04 <elyon> The completion and compile time errors are awesome
Jul 13 01:52:20 <elyon> I don't ever run an app, and have it fail and wonder why
Jul 13 01:52:31 <elyon> I don't ever have a reference that magically equals nothing
Jul 13 01:52:37 <elyon> Because of a spelling error or something silly
Jul 13 01:52:47 <Anivrom> Mhmm
Jul 13 01:52:48 <elyon> I don't have my apps explode because of a stray comma (not usually)
Jul 13 01:52:58 <elyon> It's such a better experience than I've had working with Javascript
Jul 13 01:53:03 <elyon> And with working with PHP
Jul 13 01:53:08 <elyon> And with working with C# even
Jul 13 01:53:22 <Anivrom> How is C#?
Jul 13 01:53:23 <elyon> Though that might fall to personal preferences.
Jul 13 01:53:36 <elyon> Well, big thing is a love it when my IDE feels lightweight
Jul 13 01:53:44 <elyon> Visual Studio feels better to me than Eclipse, but ...
Jul 13 01:53:51 <Wolvenhaven> c# is java c++
Jul 13 01:53:52 <elyon> It's pretty cool. I like it better than Visual Basic
Jul 13 01:53:52 <Anivrom> Visual studio is amazing
Jul 13 01:54:06 <Anivrom> Visual basic is my area of expertise
Jul 13 01:54:09 <Anivrom> Well used to be
Jul 13 01:54:17 <elyon> It's good for writing Windows apps, but I wouldn't want to write web apps with C# and Silverlight instead of Flash and AS3
Jul 13 01:54:19 <Anivrom> Havent coded in it in a while
Jul 13 01:54:33 <Wolvenhaven> hell dude, flash doesn't work in linux
Jul 13 01:54:37 <Wolvenhaven> so it's not much of a difference
Jul 13 01:54:51 <egaudet> learn C
Jul 13 01:55:02 <kesne> I want Coda!
Jul 13 01:55:04 <kesne> :(
Jul 13 01:55:14 <Anivrom> CUDA for webOS is what I say
Jul 13 01:55:19 <Wolvenhaven> flash needs to die a horrible painful death
Jul 13 01:55:26 <elyon> http://asantoso.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/flex-3-sdk-command-line-development-with-example-on-linux/
Jul 13 01:55:26 <Anivrom> I read an article recently about an initiative in that vein
Jul 13 01:55:35 <kesne> Wolvenhaven needs to die a horrible painful death
Jul 13 01:55:57 <Wolvenhaven> it is one of the most abused languages out there
Jul 13 01:55:58 <elyon> I'm not talking about compiling with Flash CS5 or something
Jul 13 01:56:09 <elyon> Flex SDK
Jul 13 01:56:12 <Wolvenhaven> and resource hog+coding abuse makes it a really really shitty thing to implement anything in
Jul 13 01:56:14 <Anivrom> elyon, ask your question
Jul 13 01:56:18 <Anivrom> They will answer
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 13 15:10:14 2010
Jul 13 15:15:53 <codeslaw> oledo
Jul 13 15:15:59 <codeslaw> yo
Jul 13 15:16:16 <codeslaw> anyone built a mobile website before?
Jul 13 15:32:02 <Slydog43> im looking for a way to list all contacts from a palm profile.  (like homebrew birthdays)  is there anyway to do this without using a palm domain id?
Jul 13 15:33:38 <haeffb_pre> nope
Jul 13 15:34:47 <Slydog43> if palm want people to develop for WebOS they really need more API's.   Every idea I have cant be done yet, so depressing
Jul 13 15:35:55 <deliciousmorsel> use the PDK
Jul 13 15:37:05 <haeffb_pre> you still can't access calendar/contact info through PDK afaik
Jul 13 15:38:22 <Slydog43> thought that my PDK app would be sandboxed not to read the Palm.db file
Jul 13 15:38:39 <Slydog43> or whatever it was called cant remember
Jul 13 15:39:02 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: ping
Jul 13 15:40:41 <haeffb_pre> webOS-info: naplunchover
Jul 13 15:40:42 * webOS-info turns up the lights and tosses pillows in the corner
Jul 13 15:41:19 <Slydog43> Can I access /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 from a PDK app?
Jul 13 15:41:44 <Slydog43> or SDK?
Jul 13 15:54:11 <sugardave> haeffb-pre: I'm not at naplunch...yet.  Instead, I'm in a stupid meeting
Jul 13 15:54:38 <haeffb-pre> stupid meetings suck
Jul 13 15:56:00 <sugardave> indeed
Jul 13 15:57:04 <haeffb-pre> I am implementing 'custom lists' in Done. user can configure a custom list to display selected folders, contexts, etc...choose tasks due today or tomorrow, etc.
Jul 13 15:57:49 <haeffb-pre> need to save the custom list 'config' in database.
Jul 13 15:58:35 <haeffb-pre> but since, for instance, the list can be set to display an arbitrary number of folders out of an arbitrary numberof folders in thr account...
Jul 13 15:59:20 <sugardave> JSON string of array representing the folder info, then you'll need to parse it on read to populate their list, etc.
Jul 13 15:59:46 <BMyers> hi haeffb-pre sugardave et al
Jul 13 15:59:54 <sugardave> BMyers: morning
Jul 13 16:00:00 <haeffb-pre> ...it gets complicated.
Jul 13 16:00:01 <haeffb-pre> BMyers!
Jul 13 16:00:01 <haeffb-pre> that's what I was thinking...store a string list of folder id's
Jul 13 16:00:25 <sugardave> yes, it is bad database usage, but it works
Jul 13 16:00:37 <BMyers> morn'n sugardave ( for you in another timezone)
Jul 13 16:00:57 <haeffb-pre> with a delimiter for string.split
Jul 13 16:01:29 <haeffb-pre> or does toJSON, etc provide a better way?
Jul 13 16:01:52 <sugardave> well, it just makes a serialized string, when you read it out, eval it and it's an object again
Jul 13 16:02:47 <sugardave> so if you have an object with an array in it of the ids, you just read it, eval it, and then you have the array again
Jul 13 16:02:52 <sugardave> split works, though
Jul 13 16:03:48 <BMyers> what the heck r u guys working on?
Jul 13 16:03:59 <haeffb-pre> then I could create the whole list config as one object with folders property, contexts property, etc...
Jul 13 16:04:00 <BMyers> sounds complicated
Jul 13 16:04:08 <sugardave> haeffb-pre: yep
Jul 13 16:04:16 <haeffb-pre> custom lists in Done
Jul 13 16:04:37 <BMyers> ah.
Jul 13 16:04:39 <haeffb-pre> allow the user to choose which folders, etc to display
Jul 13 16:05:13 <kesne> Ugh
Jul 13 16:05:22 <sugardave> I had been working on an OAuth project, but now it's time to work on Hired Gun 2, Electric Boogaloo
Jul 13 16:05:27 <haeffb-pre> show folders x and z but not y
Jul 13 16:05:27 <haeffb-pre> contexts, goals, due next week, etc
Jul 13 16:05:30 <kesne> Nothing like having your gmail account locked up to start your morning
Jul 13 16:06:11 <BMyers> i'm so behind now. feel like I'm starting over again.
Jul 13 16:06:23 <haeffb-pre> complicated by the fact that folders can be deleted...
Jul 13 16:06:25 <raghuk> hi guys ... i am unable to use popScenesTo(targetScene) ... what i need to pass as targetScene? string or object?
Jul 13 16:06:26 <haeffb-pre> ...from the device or on the web
Jul 13 16:06:39 <sugardave> raghuk: string
Jul 13 16:06:58 <sugardave> raghuk: or maybe a controller object can be used instead
Jul 13 16:07:05 <sugardave> can't remember off the top of my head
Jul 13 16:07:38 <kesne> Apparently, I sent out emails to everybody in my contact list
Jul 13 16:07:43 <haeffb-pre> BMyers:  sorry 'bout your loss...
Jul 13 16:08:37 <haeffb-pre> raghuk: I think it's a scene name string
Jul 13 16:09:09 <haeffb-pre> but I also am not sure
Jul 13 16:09:25 <BMyers> thx haeffb-pre.
Jul 13 16:10:27 <BMyers> how's your "vacation" going so far?
Jul 13 16:12:03 <haeffb-pre> good
Jul 13 16:12:25 <haeffb-pre> mostly sitting on the beach
Jul 13 16:12:29 <raghuk> i ahve tried to give string ... all scenes popup and gives me a blank scene
Jul 13 16:13:13 <haeffb-pre> had to run up to Wilmington NC this morning...headed back to MB now
Jul 13 16:13:39 <haeffb-pre> raghuk: what do the docs say?
Jul 13 16:13:51 <soul1> Hey can anyone please tell me how does mojo.log works?? Where are the messages displayed?
Jul 13 16:14:19 <sugardave> soul1: they go in /var/log/messages
Jul 13 16:14:34 <sugardave> soul1: you can use palm-log, also
Jul 13 16:14:46 <raghuk> targetScene should be an object
Jul 13 16:14:49 <sugardave> but I usually novaterm or ssh into the emulator and put a tail on /var/log/messages
Jul 13 16:15:04 <haeffb-pre> palm-log -d tcp -f com.my.app
Jul 13 16:15:25 <sugardave> raghuk: this will pop you back to the first scene: stageController.popScenesTo(stageController.getScenes().first());
Jul 13 16:15:25 <haeffb-pre> if on emulator
Jul 13 16:16:46 <raghuk> sugardeve: let me try
Jul 13 16:17:29 <sugardave> note stageController is a var in my code, so you need it somehow
Jul 13 16:18:09 <soul1> sugardave: I m pretty new to webos so can u please tell me where is var/log/messages??
Jul 13 16:18:33 <sugardave> soul1: okay, it will be on the emulator's filesystem
Jul 13 16:18:36 <HattCzech_work> soul1: on the device
Jul 13 16:18:41 <sugardave> do you know how to use novaterm?
Jul 13 16:19:23 <BMyers> dont forget sugardave wizbang logging thingie
Jul 13 16:19:47 <sugardave> palm-log?
Jul 13 16:20:03 <BMyers> no your wrote some .js helper thing didnt u?
Jul 13 16:20:09 <sugardave> oh, my debug stuff?
Jul 13 16:20:11 <sugardave> yeah
Jul 13 16:20:13 <BMyers> for objects and stuff
Jul 13 16:20:30 * HattCzech_work listens in
Jul 13 16:20:36 <BMyers> pretty nice little util
Jul 13 16:20:44 <BMyers> (once again)
Jul 13 16:20:56 <raghuk> sugardave: it worked ... one more .. is their a way to find out targetScene exists in the stack or not?
Jul 13 16:21:21 <HattCzech_work> better than logging the object and tailing it? ;)
Jul 13 16:21:49 <sugardave> soul1: here is a debug library I like to use: http://webos.pastebin.com/vkgcE0da
Jul 13 16:22:01 <sugardave> debugObject will print one line per property (no recursion)
Jul 13 16:22:21 <sugardave> raghuk: hmmm....I"m sure you can, but don't know the best way to go
Jul 13 16:23:41 <raghuk> sugardave: may be i'll loop through scenes
Jul 13 16:23:50 <sugardave> raghuk: you could try poking around with stageController.getScenes()
Jul 13 16:23:51 <sugardave> yeah
Jul 13 16:24:21 <pandora--> any news on 1.4.5.1?
Jul 13 16:24:31 <kesne> You're 1.4.5.1
Jul 13 16:24:37 <pandora--> oh snaps
Jul 13 16:24:46 <pandora--> kesne: *your
Jul 13 16:24:53 <kesne> No, you're
Jul 13 16:24:54 <pandora--> kesne: at least use proper idiot grammar
Jul 13 16:24:58 <kesne> Oh
Jul 13 16:24:59 <kesne> Sorry
Jul 13 16:25:02 <pandora--> ;)
Jul 13 16:25:09 <pandora--> heheh
Jul 13 16:25:09 <sugardave> webOS-info: updates
Jul 13 16:25:09 <webOS-info> updates are getting here when they get here.
Jul 13 16:25:10 <haeffb_wirc> lunch @ 2 Dogs A'walkin
Jul 13 16:25:19 <kesne> I have webOS 1.4.5.1.1.1.1
Jul 13 16:25:25 * pandora-- jealous
Jul 13 16:26:46 <pandora--> man they said it was going to be out on the 7th
Jul 13 16:26:51 <pandora--> what happened with that??
Jul 13 16:26:54 <kesne> webos-info: updates
Jul 13 16:26:54 <webOS-info> updates are getting here when they get here. or a myth
Jul 13 16:27:05 <sugardave> fail
Jul 13 16:27:18 <kesne> webos-info: chuq
Jul 13 16:27:18 * webOS-info hides the puppies
Jul 13 16:27:21 <sugardave> pandora--: ask chuqui
Jul 13 16:27:26 <kesne> webos-info: puppies
Jul 13 16:27:26 <webOS-info> Puppies are fluffy. I love fluffies
Jul 13 16:27:27 <pandora--> webOS-info: unacceptable. we, here on the internets, have extra expectations of entitlement. they have to recognize that...
Jul 13 16:27:27 <webOS-info> pandora--: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 16:27:32 <sugardave> >:}
Jul 13 16:27:42 <kesne> webos-info: FOLLOW THIS!
Jul 13 16:27:42 <webOS-info> kesne: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 16:27:43 <pandora--> hah
Jul 13 16:27:55 <kesne> chuqui
Jul 13 16:28:05 <kesne> It's chuck with a q.
Jul 13 16:28:05 <chuqui> good morning, all. I see my evil plan to start a cult continues to grow... bwa ha ha
Jul 13 16:28:16 <pandora--> heh
Jul 13 16:28:34 <chuqui> remember, everyone who joins my cult gets a uniform.
Jul 13 16:28:37 <chuqui> and cookies.
Jul 13 16:28:47 <chuqui> and for a really special day, grape cool-aid.
Jul 13 16:29:02 <kesne> :D
Jul 13 16:29:02 <digitalpowers> what sort of uniform, i might be interested
Jul 13 16:29:10 <halfhalo> bbl
Jul 13 16:29:11 <sugardave> that's my question
Jul 13 16:29:12 <kesne> A thong?
Jul 13 16:29:16 <sugardave> though I love Kool-Aid....
Jul 13 16:30:03 * sugardave imagines eating cookies and drinking Kool-Aid while hopping around on one thong.
Jul 13 16:30:07 <digitalpowers> so long as the shirt isnt red, i dont want to die on our first cultie mission
Jul 13 16:30:22 <BMyers> hmm. gonna be tuff for me to get updates now on my pre
Jul 13 16:30:42 <sugardave> BMyers: what did you do to it?
Jul 13 16:31:16 <BMyers> sugardave i broke it by buying an htc evo
Jul 13 16:31:22 <sugardave> doh!
Jul 13 16:31:29 <sugardave> how do you like the HTC?
Jul 13 16:31:36 <BMyers> i REALLY like it
Jul 13 16:31:43 <BMyers> it's stupid fast
Jul 13 16:31:51 <pandora--> i played with one at a sprint store the other day, it's seexxxyyy
Jul 13 16:31:54 <BMyers> ludicrous speed
Jul 13 16:31:56 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: BMyers has defected, kill
Jul 13 16:31:56 <webOS-info> digitalpowers: excuse me?
Jul 13 16:32:08 <sugardave> "She's gone from suck to blow!"
Jul 13 16:32:31 <BMyers> i was due for a phone upgrade.
Jul 13 16:32:35 <BMyers> on my plan
Jul 13 16:32:57 <BMyers> radio shack doesnt even sell palm anymore much less a next gen pre
Jul 13 16:33:06 <sugardave> I can upgrade now if I want to...but I'm holding out for a new webOS phone (HURRY UP HPALM)
Jul 13 16:33:21 <digitalpowers> but what about all the rumors of a webos phone will testicular fortitude, i figure it is worth a wait at least
Jul 13 16:33:22 <deliciousmorsel> HAHAH
Jul 13 16:33:22 <BMyers> sugardave.. you're turning blue
Jul 13 16:33:25 <deliciousmorsel> new phone?
Jul 13 16:33:26 <hemna> so I'm getting a free palm pre plus at work, but not on a network that I like.   is there a way to use the phone as a wifi only device w/o registering it with the carrier?
Jul 13 16:33:32 <sugardave> sprint early adopters need some love
Jul 13 16:33:40 <pandora--> sugardave: right?
Jul 13 16:33:50 <pandora--> sugardave: I dropped ATT to switch to sprint for the Pre
Jul 13 16:34:01 <BMyers> the evo is so f'n cool.
Jul 13 16:34:05 <pandora--> :(
Jul 13 16:34:06 <sugardave> now THAT is dedication
Jul 13 16:34:08 * pandora-- want
Jul 13 16:34:22 <sugardave> BMyers: been deving for it yet?
Jul 13 16:34:28 <BMyers> my first non palm device since my motorola startek
Jul 13 16:34:29 <digitalpowers> i really just want an EVO with webos
Jul 13 16:35:12 <pandora--> heheh
Jul 13 16:35:18 <BMyers> sugardave, starting to now. i looked at driod platform a few years back
Jul 13 16:35:28 <BMyers> just need to get up to speed
Jul 13 16:35:32 <BMyers> (again)
Jul 13 16:35:52 <sugardave> ah, I think I may look into one of the cross-platform IDEs in a few weeks and see what I can see
Jul 13 16:36:01 <BMyers> phonegap?
Jul 13 16:36:08 <digitalpowers> does android allow any c coding or is it all java?
Jul 13 16:36:13 <sugardave> phonegap and titanium I think is the other one
Jul 13 16:36:14 <sugardave> or
Jul 13 16:36:25 <sugardave> may just blow off iphone and look at android app inventor
Jul 13 16:36:28 <hemna> has anyone tried writing w/ phonegap?
Jul 13 16:36:58 <BMyers> phonegap is mostly js and stuff. it makes sense for a webos programmer to look at it
Jul 13 16:37:17 <BMyers> driod is java unless you want to hack some native stuff
Jul 13 16:37:46 <sugardave> BMyers: yeah, I think Titanium is the same (according to kesne, owner/operator of Brightouse Labs)
Jul 13 16:38:04 <BMyers> kesne is the BHL guy?
Jul 13 16:38:17 <sugardave> oh damn, thought he was here
Jul 13 16:38:18 <sugardave> no
Jul 13 16:38:22 <sugardave> he isn't the guy :D
Jul 13 16:39:01 <BMyers> oh man. dont get me start on BHL
Jul 13 16:39:12 <BMyers> 'ed ^
Jul 13 16:39:54 <BMyers> so I'm out of luck getting OS updates on my pre without a sprint plan for it eh?
Jul 13 16:40:28 <sugardave> I think you could doctor it with a new one?
Jul 13 16:40:43 <BMyers> oh yeah. maybe so...
Jul 13 16:40:57 <BMyers> i bet there is a way to do it from my evo
Jul 13 16:40:59 <BMyers> :)
Jul 13 16:41:02 <sugardave> hah
Jul 13 16:41:06 <BMyers> it's THAT good..
Jul 13 16:41:19 <sugardave> it has an app that will build you an island
Jul 13 16:41:39 <BMyers> i could use an island right now...
Jul 13 16:41:56 <BMyers> i'm surprised noone else here has used phonegap tho
Jul 13 16:42:23 <BMyers> write once, distribute many.. what a concept..
Jul 13 16:42:24 <sugardave> I just haven't carved out time to make myself look at it
Jul 13 16:42:35 <sugardave> I did look at some slides yesterday
Jul 13 16:42:41 <BMyers> it's js css and html.. poor docs for the palm side tho
Jul 13 16:42:51 <sugardave> it seems there are a couple of areas where platform-specific work might be involved
Jul 13 16:42:59 <sugardave> depending on the app type
Jul 13 16:42:59 <BMyers> for sure..
Jul 13 16:43:23 <BMyers> as always.. totally depends on the app..
Jul 13 16:43:30 <BMyers> you doing any pdk stuff yet?
Jul 13 16:43:31 <sugardave> it might be a good thing to look at for my new project
Jul 13 16:43:35 <sugardave> haha
Jul 13 16:43:36 <sugardave> no
Jul 13 16:43:45 <BMyers> oh your world domination project?
Jul 13 16:43:53 <BMyers> or a different one?
Jul 13 16:44:47 <haeffb_wirc> BMyers: is it true you can't get more than 20 yards from a power source with Evo?
Jul 13 16:44:56 <sugardave> it's a project supporting the world domination project
Jul 13 16:45:59 <BMyers> haeffb_wirc I still have my 50 lbs battery pack i used for the pre. same connector..
Jul 13 16:46:40 <sugardave> are you going to hack your evo to use a touchstone?
Jul 13 16:46:40 <BMyers> i dont think power consumption is as bad as it's reviewed but it's no iphone.
Jul 13 16:47:17 <pandora--> BMyers: better or worse than Pre?
Jul 13 16:47:18 <BMyers> i would think that there will be a powermat/touch deal for the evo soon
Jul 13 16:47:29 <BMyers> pandora-- as far as?
Jul 13 16:47:52 <pandora--> battery
Jul 13 16:48:05 <pandora--> power consumption
Jul 13 16:48:45 <BMyers> no worse i dont think. the pre is no power sipping device either. i could barely make it thru the day on my pre without constantly looking for my next power fix...
Jul 13 16:49:32 <pandora--> BMyers: yeah, mine spends a lot of time on a touchstone on my desk
Jul 13 16:49:44 <BMyers> on the up side. the evo is stupid fast. LOTS of awesome features..
Jul 13 16:50:13 <BMyers> pandora-- exaclty. if you use sprint nav you can pretty much count on recharging it or get lost in traffic.
Jul 13 16:50:50 <BMyers> but more than that, you have access to the hardware..
Jul 13 16:51:06 <pandora--> lol
Jul 13 16:51:21 <BMyers> mic, camera etc.. things that palm are still dragging their heels on
Jul 13 16:51:49 <BMyers> developers can write cool apps when you can get at the hardware
Jul 13 16:52:25 <haeffb_wirc> how many cards can you have running...?
Jul 13 16:52:36 <BMyers> the voice typing thing is cool too. you talk, it types..
Jul 13 16:52:44 <halfhalo_pre> I say max cards is 12
Jul 13 16:52:55 <halfhalo_pre> on pre, not plus
Jul 13 16:53:02 <BMyers> 12?
Jul 13 16:53:11 <BMyers> depends on the cards...
Jul 13 16:53:23 <halfhalo_pre> after that it starts getting laggy for me
Jul 13 16:53:25 <BMyers> 1 spring nav card and you're pretty much not doing anything else
Jul 13 16:53:42 <discombobulate> hrm
Jul 13 16:53:56 <discombobulate> my app has been in review since june 28th... is this normal?
Jul 13 16:54:11 <BMyers> june 28th of 2010?
Jul 13 16:54:11 <pandora--> discombobulate: update or initial submission?
Jul 13 16:54:15 <halfhalo_pre> no, but when is it eve normal with palm?
Jul 13 16:54:20 <sugardave> haha
Jul 13 16:54:23 <BMyers> :)
Jul 13 16:54:24 <discombobulate> initial
Jul 13 16:54:26 <Tibfib> discombobulate: probably... palm has been kind of crazy lately
Jul 13 16:54:40 <discombobulate> i was jus wondering if i should be bitching, or not :D
Jul 13 16:54:56 <BMyers> the pdk hotapps thing clogs up the process i am sure
Jul 13 16:54:57 <halfhalo_pre> that answer is always yes
Jul 13 16:55:01 <Tibfib> well, I guess it's not typical... but it is kind of expected now
Jul 13 16:55:02 <pandora--> mine has been in review for 2 days, just as an update though
Jul 13 16:55:05 <sugardave> discombobulate: whatever you do, do NOT request to cancel
Jul 13 16:55:22 <discombobulate> i submitted before the free submits, and paid my $50 (which i got back)
Jul 13 16:55:25 <BMyers> prolly right there sugardave. thats a bad thing to do
Jul 13 16:55:32 <discombobulate> and my free app already passed two updates
Jul 13 16:55:43 <discombobulate> yeah, i won't make that mistake twice sugardave :)
Jul 13 16:55:49 <sugardave> heh
Jul 13 16:55:58 <haeffb_wirc> discombobulate: email chuqui  with details
Jul 13 16:56:04 <sugardave> discombobulate: did you send chuqui-mail?
Jul 13 16:56:07 <BMyers> not sure if i got my app submittal fees back yet. should look at that..
Jul 13 16:56:16 <pandora--> i did
Jul 13 16:56:22 <discombobulate> not yet, i didn't wanna complain unless it was abnormal
Jul 13 16:56:22 <chuqui> yawn... stretch... someone need me?
Jul 13 16:56:46 <chuqui> discombobulate email me with the details. that's not normal.
Jul 13 16:56:52 <chuqui> I'll get the team to look.
Jul 13 16:57:19 <chuqui> we've been having a fight with the gremlins again. I think we've got it back to a draw.
Jul 13 16:57:27 <BMyers> chuqui is there a george carlin list of words that are not allowed in app (not the app cat screen shot but in the app itself) ?
Jul 13 16:57:38 <sugardave> you have to trick them into the sunlight
Jul 13 16:57:44 <discombobulate> thank you chuqui, will do
Jul 13 16:58:04 <BMyers> i had an app rejected by adora for bad words. i requested a list from her but heard nothing back..
Jul 13 16:58:05 <halfhalo_pre> I though all the gremlins died in that fire
Jul 13 16:58:42 <BMyers> so either my app should ship or palm owes me a list of words they want removed.
Jul 13 16:58:50 <chuqui> bmyers nothing formal. I tend to recommend PG-13. catch me private if you want to discuss specific words? and email me, I"ll ping adora to resend her feedback.
Jul 13 16:59:28 <digitalpowers> chuqui: i sent an email asking for early access to the 1.4.5 pdk stuff to the pdc email addy, was that the right way to go about it or do i have to try something else if i am to have any luck with it?
Jul 13 16:59:35 <sugardave> chuqui: hey one more ?....any news on adult ategories?
Jul 13 16:59:43 <BMyers> pg 13 and there's like 10 hot-boobs apps that made the hotapps finals? seriously?
Jul 13 16:59:45 <chuqui> digitalpowers when?
Jul 13 17:00:03 <digitalpowers> chuqui: just yesterday, so i am not being impatient, just curious if that was the right way to go about it
Jul 13 17:00:05 <hemna> hot-boobs apps?   url?
Jul 13 17:00:07 <hemna> :P
Jul 13 17:00:08 <chuqui> sugardave no, nothing new on adult categories. it's disappeared into legal, and we haven't dislodged it.
Jul 13 17:00:15 <sugardave> cold-boobs would be R
Jul 13 17:00:26 <pandora--> heh
Jul 13 17:00:26 <hemna> cold boobs could be better though
Jul 13 17:00:31 <BMyers> sugardave, it's a figure of speech silly
Jul 13 17:00:32 <pandora--> +1
Jul 13 17:01:03 <BMyers> search the app cat for hot and you'll see what i mean
Jul 13 17:01:35 <BMyers> picture porn is ok but construction-site words are taboo?
Jul 13 17:01:38 <chuqui> digitalpowers send me your request again. we have nothing happening in early access right now, so I'm not in a hurry to add folks, but I'll get it in. I don't see it offhand.
Jul 13 17:01:45 <sugardave> chuqui: someone should remind the lawyers that time = money
Jul 13 17:01:58 <sugardave> (and probably lots of it)
Jul 13 17:02:11 <BMyers> sugardave, thats my app. you cant use that phrase without my express written consent
Jul 13 17:02:11 <hemna> lawyers know that better than anyone
Jul 13 17:02:27 <sugardave> "P
Jul 13 17:02:39 <BMyers> or i'll sick my lawyer on ya
Jul 13 17:02:39 <digitalpowers> chuqui: any subject in particular i should use?
Jul 13 17:02:41 <chuqui> discombobulate if you're flagged for 1.4.5, it's being held until we do  a full release of it to all carriers. so I think that's normal, but I'll check.
Jul 13 17:03:16 <discombobulate> yeah my mistake
Jul 13 17:03:34 <chuqui> bmyers words depend on context, too. send me an email, I'll escalate it as an appeal if you want.
Jul 13 17:03:48 <discombobulate> it's not supposed to be, i thought thats what i had, didn't realize
Jul 13 17:04:00 <chuqui> I wouldn't do lawyers. My lawyers would simply cause your lawyer to throw billable hours out both ears at you... (grin0
Jul 13 17:04:13 <funkatron> I'll escalate you
Jul 13 17:04:28 <digitalpowers> i like walking the wrong way down escalators ...
Jul 13 17:04:43 <chuqui> yo, funkatron.
Jul 13 17:04:44 <BMyers> ok chuqui. how could the context affect the outcome?
Jul 13 17:04:53 <sugardave> chuqui: he's picking on a smaller target with his lawyers, hobbyist app devs like myself who barely get by as it is
Jul 13 17:04:59 <sugardave> he'll get absolutely nothing ;)
Jul 13 17:05:04 <BMyers> i mean. BS is BS
Jul 13 17:05:28 <chuqui> bmyers context is huge. but without knowning the details (which I don't), it's hard to discuss properly.
Jul 13 17:05:55 <chuqui> discombobulate -- yeah, you're in the 1.4.5 pool.
Jul 13 17:06:10 <discombobulate> chuqui; can ya change that? ;)
Jul 13 17:06:11 <BMyers> chuqui any profane language in the app is not directed in a hateful way.
Jul 13 17:06:25 <chuqui> josh -- there you are. got your request. and found your previous. I'll get you in. Probably not today.
Jul 13 17:07:07 <digitalpowers> no worries, i am just sick of working around a few of the PDL calls that dont work but trying to rely on them so stuff will work when 1.4.5 comes out :)
Jul 13 17:07:43 <BMyers> i get the point tho chuqui. subjective reviewers can choose to reject app without any written protocol on the matter..
Jul 13 17:08:16 <Tibfib> chuqui: any new information on mojo messaging service?
Jul 13 17:08:37 <chuqui> don't mistake lack of published standards with lack of written protocol.
Jul 13 17:08:50 <chuqui> tibfib no new on that.
Jul 13 17:08:58 <digitalpowers> hey bmyers are you still going to be deving for webos or switch copmplely over to android
Jul 13 17:09:10 <chuqui> bmyers send me that email, I'll have the team review the rejection.
Jul 13 17:09:24 <sugardave> BMyers is going to guinea-pig phonegap for the channel and blog about it
Jul 13 17:09:30 <BMyers> no, i'll still develop for webos as long as it's worth while
Jul 13 17:09:39 <BMyers> sugardave . pretty much
Jul 13 17:09:48 * sugardave sees the future.
Jul 13 17:10:02 <digitalpowers> nice, were you trying to figure a way to keep your pre updated?
Jul 13 17:10:05 <BMyers> chuqui you want adora's reject email?
Jul 13 17:10:21 <chuqui> bmyers already asked for a copy from her
Jul 13 17:10:22 <BMyers> digitalpowers yes. it's not active anymore
Jul 13 17:10:35 <BMyers> chuqui would i not have the same copy then?
Jul 13 17:10:55 <discombobulate> so if i request rejection and resubmit with proper required webos version number, i'll be stuck in the depths of requested rejections hell huh?
Jul 13 17:11:20 <BMyers> discombobulate your reject request make take 'some time'
Jul 13 17:11:24 <digitalpowers> BMyers: if you use sprint i am 90% sure they dont charge you if you swap esn's online using their website, so you could just swap it over when you needed updates and then swap back afterwords (of cource i would double check that there is no cost if i were you)
Jul 13 17:11:37 <BMyers> digitalpowers really? cool...
Jul 13 17:11:42 <BMyers> that would be nice.
Jul 13 17:12:11 <haeffb_wirc> BMyers: really
Jul 13 17:12:15 <chuqui> discombobulate if you want to reject and resubmit, email me and I"ll ask the team to expedite.
Jul 13 17:12:30 <BMyers> there is a webos emu for the evo anyway.. i'll just use that..
Jul 13 17:12:31 <digitalpowers> BMyers: i know for my work they dont charge us we swap esn's out all the time, but we are government so it is possible we have a special deal
Jul 13 17:13:03 <haeffb_wirc> in fact i've never paid an activation fee to sprint in 6 years
Jul 13 17:13:05 <BMyers> digitalpowers. if there was a way to milk $$ from that, sprint would have dont it. it must be free..
Jul 13 17:13:43 <chuqui> bmyers which app was rejected?
Jul 13 17:13:51 <BMyers> guyrules
Jul 13 17:13:52 <chuqui> I want to see if I can look at the records.
Jul 13 17:14:03 <BMyers> com.guyrules.mobile
Jul 13 17:15:08 <BMyers> our book was published by andrews and mcmeel with the same sort of language.  they dont print smut.
Jul 13 17:15:51 <BMyers> chuqui , thanks for looking into it. i can send the email if you like. just have to dig it up
Jul 13 17:16:37 <chuqui> bmyers please do. I'll talk to the team and see waht I find out.
Jul 13 17:16:56 <BMyers> thanks. will do.
Jul 13 17:22:22 <discombobulate> so since i brought it up, i figured i'd clarify. my app submission is delayed due to my own fault, not palm's. long live palm. thank you very much.
Jul 13 17:22:23 <BMyers> chuqui : sent..
Jul 13 17:23:07 <chuqui> bmyers thanks.
Jul 13 17:23:50 <BMyers> chuqui : thank you for looking into it..
Jul 13 17:24:53 <chuqui> bmyers got it. I'll double check, but I believe the s--- word is a no-no under any circumstances.
Jul 13 17:26:49 <discombobulate> but.. it's in the dictionary!
Jul 13 17:26:59 <chuqui> yup. gotta draw the line somewhere. and it's on the wrong side.
Jul 13 17:27:07 <discombobulate> heh
Jul 13 17:28:05 <kesne> Guyrules!
Jul 13 17:28:35 <BMyers> chuqui you cant have the word shit in an app?
Jul 13 17:28:41 <BMyers> seriously?
Jul 13 17:29:01 <discombobulate> what was the context?
Jul 13 17:29:02 <BMyers> it's not in the screen shot for the app cat
Jul 13 17:29:09 <chuqui> seriously.
Jul 13 17:29:26 <chuqui> that word will get any app rejected.
Jul 13 17:30:43 <BMyers> like i said. i need a list of all the naughty words that are not allowed in app. I cant be resubmitting over and over again. palm want to play sensorship then they need to be clear on what is and what is not ok.
Jul 13 17:30:45 <maik> will having the word shit in any app seriously make it or break it?
Jul 13 17:31:10 <discombobulate> what does the app do?
Jul 13 17:31:24 <Tibfib> ...did anyone actually review that chuck norris app?
Jul 13 17:31:27 <maik> unless it's an app that plays the sound of the word so you can learn how to pronounce it
Jul 13 17:32:23 <palsch> Heh, reminds me of this
Jul 13 17:32:25 <palsch> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2442
Jul 13 17:33:28 <chuqui> bmyer obfuscation is an option. but you can't use that word in an app.
Jul 13 17:33:45 <BMyers> i cant guess at words that palm may not like. and my app has many many words in it..
Jul 13 17:34:44 <BMyers> provide me with a list of words to obfuse..
Jul 13 17:34:58 <chuqui> bmyers sorry, no list. people try to game lists.
Jul 13 17:35:04 <BMyers> going back and forth guessing is shit..
Jul 13 17:35:35 <chuqui> but you clearly understand the hierarchy of naughty words. Anything naughtier than shit is definitely out.
Jul 13 17:35:57 <BMyers> no, if palm wants to play FCC, then there must be a list..
Jul 13 17:36:14 <chuqui> bmyers sorry, we disagree.
Jul 13 17:37:03 <BMyers> but i'm sure you understand my position here. how can i know what palm reviewer i get and what he/she may not think is appropriate that day?
Jul 13 17:37:19 <BMyers> subjective doesnt work for that...
Jul 13 17:38:34 <chuqui> bmyers and I'm sure you understand my position here. you're a smart boy. I just told you how to judge our standards. Other devs figure it out without needing lists...
Jul 13 17:41:09 <BMyers> ya know. the app submittal process doesnt mention banned words in the app, just the screenshot for the app cat.
Jul 13 17:41:56 <maik> holy crap, seriously?  why do you _need_ the word shit in your application?
Jul 13 17:42:23 <kesne> BMyers: Banned words?
Jul 13 17:42:24 <BMyers> maik. i didnt think that. the content comes from ppl on the internet..
Jul 13 17:42:25 <halfhalo_pre> yes.
Jul 13 17:42:38 <maik> dynamically?
Jul 13 17:42:39 <halfhalo_pre> THIS IS THE INTERNETS PEOPLE!
Jul 13 17:42:48 <BMyers> it's not like i have SHIT in the app menu or something.
Jul 13 17:42:52 <kesne> Hah
Jul 13 17:43:06 <digitalpowers> maik: i think BMyers concern is not that word in particular is it not knowing what words are allowed, which makes some since but i can also see chuq's side of it if they make a list then people will make the list the law when they want it to be a guideline
Jul 13 17:43:09 <BMyers> it's the content, not the app that has a bad word
Jul 13 17:43:12 <kesne> chuqui: you know that one of my apps had the words shit, ass, hoe, and several others?
Jul 13 17:43:23 <maik> dp: fuck you.
Jul 13 17:43:27 <maik> i mean, hi
Jul 13 17:43:29 <digitalpowers> maik: your fired
Jul 13 17:43:43 <digitalpowers> pack up your crap, tuesday is your last day (next tuesday)
Jul 13 17:43:45 <halfhalo_pre> ooohhhhh... drama
Jul 13 17:43:46 <maik> you can't possibly keep a list of swear words
Jul 13 17:43:51 * halfhalo_pre gets popcorn
Jul 13 17:43:58 <maik> you can't fire me, i quit!
Jul 13 17:44:00 <kesne> BMyers: Download the content from the internet, and when Palm approves it, have at it
Jul 13 17:44:09 <maik> no, seriously.  next tuesday.
Jul 13 17:44:10 <digitalpowers> maik: i am going to miss you
Jul 13 17:44:13 <BMyers> no, i'm being made to guess what is on the list
Jul 13 17:44:14 * dohtem grabs a handful of halfhalo's popcorn
Jul 13 17:44:14 <maik> <3
Jul 13 17:44:22 <maik> come on guy
Jul 13 17:44:32 <kesne> That's what I did
Jul 13 17:44:38 <BMyers> no shit?
Jul 13 17:44:40 <kesne> Seriously, download Yo Dawg
Jul 13 17:44:49 <BMyers> ah, thats u?
Jul 13 17:44:59 <maik> BMyers: so is the content that may have swear words in it going to be updated by other users and it's going to be up to you to filter out the bad stuff?
Jul 13 17:45:13 <kesne> It's racist, and contains several instances of content that isn't allowed
Jul 13 17:45:16 <maik> or is it going to be released with swear words in it?
Jul 13 17:45:19 <kesne> Yep, I made Yo Dawg!
Jul 13 17:45:28 <chuqui> maik that's what a couple of other devs do with online content like that.
Jul 13 17:46:02 <kesne> Though Yo Dawg is basically gone
Jul 13 17:46:07 <BMyers> maik, yes. i can filter the content
Jul 13 17:46:15 <kesne> I don't support it, promote it, sponser it, or even admit to making it
Jul 13 17:46:23 <BMyers> u just did. ^^^
Jul 13 17:46:26 <Tibfib> BMyers: use pre-loaded content for the review... then let it go once the app is approved
Jul 13 17:46:38 <kesne> Well, usually
Jul 13 17:46:52 <BMyers> Tibfib, yeah pm me next time so chuqui isnt on to me...
Jul 13 17:47:02 <halfhalo_pre> I think with those apps a filter is needed with the option to filter out certain phrases.
Jul 13 17:47:30 <chuqui> bmyers like we haven't had devs try that before? Please, don't assume we're THAT STUPID or naive.
Jul 13 17:47:31 <BMyers> yeah, but hot chick apps are ok..
Jul 13 17:47:37 <maik> BMyers: so that's how your app works?  other people submit content?  then yes, it's pretty ridiculous for you to be responsible for that stuff
Jul 13 17:48:11 <BMyers> maik, i see the content before it goes out. but it's an app about guys and guy stuff.
Jul 13 17:48:17 <discombobulate> there's that 'slang dictionary' app.. i wonder if it's got the word shit in it.. you'd think some how it would have to
Jul 13 17:48:24 <BMyers> guys, (news flash here) swear. sometimes..
Jul 13 17:48:26 <Tibfib> BMyers: what if you put a warning in teh app description? Warning content is submitted by users and is unfiltered... would palm still disapprove it?
Jul 13 17:48:30 <maik> umm
Jul 13 17:48:34 <BMyers> yes there is..
Jul 13 17:48:36 <maik> what about Twitter or Facebook
Jul 13 17:48:41 <maik> you going to ban those apps?
Jul 13 17:48:56 <discombobulate> fine line
Jul 13 17:48:56 <kesne> HAHA
Jul 13 17:49:01 <Tibfib> Now that, is the best point I've heard
Jul 13 17:49:03 <BMyers> chuqui, was kidding with Tibfib... I dont think you're THAT stupid..
Jul 13 17:49:10 <kesne> Good point!
Jul 13 17:49:17 <BMyers> what about that shit?
Jul 13 17:49:19 <BMyers> :)
Jul 13 17:49:30 <kesne> What about This App Does Nothing?
Jul 13 17:49:36 <BMyers> facebook without swearing? might as well shut it down..
Jul 13 17:49:38 <chuqui> guys drink too much beer and piss on their friend's car tire in the parking lot, too. Doesn't mean we need to put it in an app
Jul 13 17:49:47 <kesne> yes it does!
Jul 13 17:49:52 <kesne> chuqui: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-Ruwv6rrM
Jul 13 17:50:01 <maik> releasing apps with static swear words in them is one thing, making devs responsible for how their users use their apps is completely different and can't possible be up to the dev to police
Jul 13 17:50:12 <oilsworkn> hey, i just realized that a year ago last sunday, i released my first webos app :)
Jul 13 17:50:15 <BMyers> ok chuqui. i appreciate your time looking into it.
Jul 13 17:50:22 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: xbox friends?
Jul 13 17:50:26 <discombobulate> congrats oil
Jul 13 17:50:27 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jul 13 17:50:28 <chuqui> well, guys, gotta go do a meeting. It's been. back later. ...
Jul 13 17:50:34 <funkatron> hah
Jul 13 17:50:39 <Tibfib> oil: nice
Jul 13 17:50:39 <discombobulate> later chuqui, thanks for your help
Jul 13 17:50:46 <kesne> When did funkatron get here?
Jul 13 17:50:48 <BMyers> but i still feel that if you're going to reject an app because of naughty words, there should be a list of naughty words. it's that simple. you're a smart boy, you should know that.
Jul 13 17:50:58 <Tibfib> Hahahaha
Jul 13 17:51:00 <maik> chuqui: i'd seriously address Twitter and Facebook if Palm is going to hold BMyers to that standard
Jul 13 17:51:01 <BMyers> hde left..
Jul 13 17:51:02 <funkatron> mmmmmmmm sometime
Jul 13 17:51:06 <kesne> BMyers: he got vegetowned
Jul 13 17:51:11 <maik> shit
Jul 13 17:51:32 <BMyers> it's already in the catalog as is anyway...
Jul 13 17:51:36 <maik> my point remains, though, a static list of swear words is impossible
Jul 13 17:51:40 <BMyers> shit and all...
Jul 13 17:51:53 <BMyers> i was submitting an update to the app...
Jul 13 17:52:09 <maik> the English language is too dynamic for that
Jul 13 17:52:15 <oilsworkn> lol, different reviewers care about different things
Jul 13 17:52:19 <BMyers> and it got rejected because of the word "shit" in the content
Jul 13 17:52:35 <maik> well wait...is it static content or not?
Jul 13 17:52:38 <BMyers> well, there is alot of content too so it may not have been seen previously
Jul 13 17:52:44 <maik> static per update i mean
Jul 13 17:52:58 <oilsworkn> fgrep -r shit . ?
Jul 13 17:53:01 <BMyers> even for as long as it takes to get something reviewed, i doubt the read ALL the content before shipping it
Jul 13 17:53:02 <maik> heh
Jul 13 17:53:21 <BMyers> dynamic cloud based content..
Jul 13 17:53:29 <maik> for your amusement: http://cursebird.com/
Jul 13 17:55:16 <BMyers> funny. busy site
Jul 13 17:55:57 <BMyers> better pull all 90 twitter apps from the app cat
Jul 13 17:56:03 <maik> and the average quality of tweets is what's expected from the people who regularly use such words
Jul 13 17:56:15 <maik> thatswhatimsayin' g
Jul 13 17:56:54 <oilsworkn> this reminds me of apple not allowing a dictionary in the catalog because of curse words
Jul 13 17:57:15 <maik> hah
Jul 13 17:57:18 <BMyers> i think i see the way around it but its just silly i have to do that.
Jul 13 17:57:32 <oilsworkn> what they need, is a rating system
Jul 13 17:57:42 <oilsworkn> "this app ok for your child"
Jul 13 17:57:50 <oilsworkn> "this app will make a sailor blush"
Jul 13 17:57:52 <oilsworkn> type of things
Jul 13 18:00:21 <oilsworkn> i mean, i would rather have content filtered then denied
Jul 13 18:00:30 <BMyers> the submittal process only mentions curse words in the screenshot for the app cat. they should their process.
Jul 13 18:00:52 <sugardave> instead of spending time policing content, they need to get their asses in gear for the adult content section(s)
Jul 13 18:00:54 <maik> "they should <verb1> their process."
Jul 13 18:01:03 <maik> hah
Jul 13 18:02:09 <BMyers> sugardave the hot babes apps are much more of a concern i think..
Jul 13 18:02:16 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 18:02:31 <BMyers> there are more of those than twitter apps but thats ok i guess.
Jul 13 18:03:19 <hemna> I'd be fully ok with a rating system
Jul 13 18:03:48 <hemna> have those ratings in the .ipk file as well so a parent can filter out packages that are rating above a certain level
Jul 13 18:03:58 <kesne> I should release my old HB apps
Jul 13 18:03:59 <BMyers> i have most of the reviewers nduid so i'll just adjust content accordingly..
Jul 13 18:04:19 <BMyers> :)
Jul 13 18:04:46 <kesne> xD
Jul 13 18:05:28 <BMyers> swap it out for the duckies and bunnies guyrules content for app reviewers..
Jul 13 18:05:33 * oilsworkn wishes 145 would drop already so people can play with new wirc :/
Jul 13 18:05:40 <kesne> Hehe
Jul 13 18:06:35 <BMyers> ah well...
Jul 13 18:06:48 <BMyers> time to go back to reality now anyone.
Jul 13 18:07:00 <oilsworkn> this isn't reality?
Jul 13 18:07:20 <BMyers> :)
Jul 13 18:07:44 <BMyers> i'll c u folks later..
Jul 13 18:08:12 <discombobulate> new wirc?
Jul 13 18:09:17 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jul 13 18:09:22 <oilsworkn> v0.3.0 = win
Jul 13 18:09:39 <discombobulate> nice
Jul 13 18:09:57 <oilsworkn> its a hybrid
Jul 13 18:10:14 <kesne> Hybrid apps == suck
Jul 13 18:10:29 <halfhalo_pre> to lazy to set up preware feeds properly
Jul 13 18:10:42 <oilsworkn> kesne only says that because hes jealous of wircs awesomeness
Jul 13 18:10:56 <kesne> I just use my computer
Jul 13 18:10:57 <discombobulate> wirc doesn't like being on 3g for me.. i blame verizon
Jul 13 18:11:04 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jul 13 18:11:30 <halfhalo_pre> I, on the other hand, say wirc sucks to be different
Jul 13 18:12:02 <oilsworkn> with _pre in your nick, lols
Jul 13 18:12:26 <halfhalo_pre> damn straight.
Jul 13 18:14:04 <elyon> Should a C++ application ever search for std.so? Does that mean it was built wrong?
Jul 13 18:14:59 <dohtem> isnt the standard libary included in every program?
Jul 13 18:15:24 <elyon> When I compile my library with -nostdlib, it doesn't seem to load properly
Jul 13 18:15:40 <elyon> When I compile without it, it seems to load, but then it asks for std.so
Jul 13 18:16:06 <elyon> Strange
Jul 13 18:16:13 <kesne> std
Jul 13 18:16:15 <dohtem> no idea why
Jul 13 18:16:23 <kesne> You're library has an STD
Jul 13 18:16:28 <kesne> </lame joke>
Jul 13 18:17:09 <dohtem> and you are "using namespace std" ?
Jul 13 18:17:20 * dohtem hasnt used c++ in a while
Jul 13 18:17:48 <dohtem> elyon ^
Jul 13 18:18:10 <elyon> Well, I think the namespace "std" is standard C stuff
Jul 13 18:18:23 <dirs> hi
Jul 13 18:18:24 <elyon> It says it cant find std@float_of_bytes now
Jul 13 18:19:47 <dirs> i did an app that upload camera photo, but as its large i've resized the photo with webkit.. ("WebId").mojo.resizeImage ... but webkit only save the file as PNG that is also "large"... it's possible to resize and upload an JPG image?
Jul 13 18:20:42 <codeslaw> hallo
Jul 13 18:20:46 <timofalltrades> hello!
Jul 13 18:20:57 <oilsworkn> hello?
Jul 13 18:21:21 <timofalltrades> question: email accounts are no longer honoring the "show emails" setting - accounts that are set to store for a few days have emails from several months ago.
Jul 13 18:21:28 <timofalltrades> Anyone seen this and have a solution?
Jul 13 18:21:51 <oilsworkn> i have seen it
Jul 13 18:21:56 <timofalltrades> I'd prefer to avoid the "remove and then readd accounts" method due to the time spent redownloading, etc...
Jul 13 18:21:57 <oilsworkn> i dont remember how i got it to go away
Jul 13 18:22:10 * oilsworkn was just about to say remove/readd accounts
Jul 13 18:22:11 <oilsworkn> haha
Jul 13 18:22:15 <timofalltrades> heh
Jul 13 18:22:51 <timofalltrades> if I were to do that, will it also remove calendar items, contacts, etc from the associated accounts?  one is exchange, one is gmail, others are imaps...
Jul 13 18:23:01 <dirs> I do not think you can not resize a JPG :/
Jul 13 18:23:49 <oilsworkn> i have no clue
Jul 13 18:23:57 <oilsworkn> i dont use calendar/contacts from my email accounts
Jul 13 18:24:15 <timofalltrades> hmm...
Jul 13 18:24:38 <timofalltrades> do you have your accounts set to "as emails arrive" by any chance?
Jul 13 18:24:57 <oilsworkn>  /me looks
Jul 13 18:25:19 <oilsworkn> yeah, all 3
Jul 13 18:25:26 <timofalltrades> I had it set that way briefly, then switched back.  I also had turned off the combined inbox option for a while so I could get notifications seperately.
Jul 13 18:25:28 <timofalltrades> hmm
Jul 13 18:25:46 <sugardave> the first Stupid Mojo Tricks entry: http://www.sugardave.com/blogs/sugardave/07-13-2010/webos-templates-full-scenes
Jul 13 18:27:07 <oilsworkn> sugar dave's place is kind of creepy
Jul 13 18:27:08 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 18:27:26 * oilsworkn has never done templates like that for the full scene
Jul 13 18:27:30 <sugardave> yeah, it's a hodge-podge of half-baked ideas
Jul 13 18:28:33 <oilsworkn> every time i see a wircer join a channel, i smile
Jul 13 18:28:44 <sugardave> heh
Jul 13 18:28:49 <misterikkit> I'm at work and too lazy to install a client
Jul 13 18:29:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 18:29:12 * oilsworkn is at work and using webchat as well
Jul 13 18:29:19 <misterikkit> is this the right place to discuss a Pre issue?
Jul 13 18:29:30 <oilsworkn> this is more of a development channel
Jul 13 18:29:40 <oilsworkn> but chances are people here will know the answer to your questions
Jul 13 18:30:24 <haeffb_wirc> but chances also are they won't tell you
Jul 13 18:30:33 <misterikkit> ok: I'm having a weird hardware issue with a standard palm charger
Jul 13 18:30:54 * haeffb_wirc doesn't have _pre in my nick...
Jul 13 18:31:13 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 18:31:17 <misterikkit> the charger works in my office, but in my bedroom, it doesn't
Jul 13 18:31:29 <misterikkit> the outlet is not attached to a light switch or anything
Jul 13 18:31:32 <rcube> :)
Jul 13 18:31:32 <sugardave> damn
Jul 13 18:31:37 <oilsworkn> misterikkit: i have no clue, lol
Jul 13 18:31:38 <sugardave> that was going to be my question
Jul 13 18:31:41 <oilsworkn> that certainly does suck though
Jul 13 18:31:57 <timofalltrades> this might be a silly question, but if you plug a light into the same socket, it works?
Jul 13 18:31:58 <misterikkit> the phone says it's charging when I go to bed and in the morning it's dead
Jul 13 18:32:20 <misterikkit> timofalltrades: I have a fan in that outlet that spins.
Jul 13 18:32:25 <timofalltrades> not using a 3-2 prong adapter or anything?  is one on a power strip?
Jul 13 18:32:40 <rcube> can someone point me to some help files demos examples? I am trying to take the accelerometer readings and use them to light up a scale on my screen, like an equalizer on a scale. I don't know how to draw an image to screen to do this. any help?
Jul 13 18:32:42 <timofalltrades> at the same time?  that might be screwing things  up a bit...
Jul 13 18:32:44 <misterikkit> no power strip. the palm usb adapter has only 2 prongs
Jul 13 18:32:55 <oilsworkn> preset-reset?
Jul 13 18:33:11 <misterikkit> oilsworkn: huh?
Jul 13 18:33:20 <misterikkit> oh, the outlet doesn't have a breaker in it
Jul 13 18:33:24 <oilsworkn> i know when i have my dev pre hooked up via usb and i reset it, it doesn't start charging again until i reseat the cable
Jul 13 18:33:42 <digitalpowers> rcube: are you hoping to do this using mojo or pdk?
Jul 13 18:33:45 <timofalltrades> (actually, I've seen that before - a fan that isn't working quite right, bad house wiring, etc can sometimes screw with the ac of things in the same outlet)
Jul 13 18:34:29 <misterikkit> timofalltrades: the fan was on overnight. I'll see what happens without.
Jul 13 18:34:37 <misterikkit> thanks for the input, ppl
Jul 13 18:35:25 <rcube> mojo bc I'm already displaying the accelerometer results to screen w sdk as per the online dev tut.
Jul 13 18:36:24 <digitalpowers> and you are looking to draw them now in a graphical way, you need to look into using canvas.  it lets you draw directly to the screen
Jul 13 18:37:14 <oilsworkn> :)
Jul 13 18:37:22 <digitalpowers> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1682
Jul 13 18:37:43 <dohtem> sugardave: I just read your first year experience with Mojo and webOS
Jul 13 18:37:55 <oilsworkn> oh?
Jul 13 18:38:01 <oilsworkn> how was it?
Jul 13 18:38:57 <dohtem> inspiring!
Jul 13 18:39:14 <oilsworkn> really?
Jul 13 18:39:40 <dohtem> well, I feel like I'm going down the same path
Jul 13 18:39:52 * oilsworkn tries to find post on his blogthing
Jul 13 18:42:25 <oilsworkn> my first year was nothing close to the same path :/
Jul 13 18:42:39 <rcube> sorry wirc bumped me off oil :(
Jul 13 18:42:45 <dohtem> heh
Jul 13 18:42:57 <oilsworkn> yeah, that happens
Jul 13 18:42:59 <oilsworkn> is it 030?
Jul 13 18:43:02 <rcube> looks like when I came out of roaming to evdo it disconnected
Jul 13 18:43:09 <oilsworkn> well, yeah
Jul 13 18:43:11 <oilsworkn> you switched networks
Jul 13 18:43:19 <oilsworkn> your only option is to reconnect
Jul 13 18:43:27 <anivrom> http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/china-seeks-to-reduce-internet-users-anonymity/article1638127/?service=mobile
Jul 13 18:44:03 <rcube> so there no time in irc for reconnection attempts I guess?
Jul 13 18:44:08 <anivrom> Unbelievable how some governments can be so paranoid and oppressive
Jul 13 18:44:32 <digitalpowers> rcube: when you switched networks you probably got a new ip as well which means to the irc server you are a different person, not a reconnect
Jul 13 18:44:32 <dohtem> HAIL MAO!
Jul 13 18:44:53 <oilsworkn> rcube, thats like unplugging your laptop from one network, and plugging it into another, irc isn't going to keep running there either
Jul 13 18:45:04 <rcube> ahhh. of course. thanks. makes sense
Jul 13 18:45:11 <halfhalo_class> regex needs to die again.
Jul 13 18:45:16 <oilsworkn> best to stick on evdo :)
Jul 13 18:46:30 * oilsworkn is shocked his regex mastery hasn't rubbed off onto halfhalo yet
Jul 13 18:46:54 <oilsworkn> maybe its because you just copy/pasted from wirc instead of understanding and duplicating :)
Jul 13 18:47:10 <halfhalo_class> I need to split a string using : into two parts
Jul 13 18:47:19 <halfhalo_class> Well, I can read regex but not make my own
Jul 13 18:47:34 <oilsworkn> (^:):(.*) or something
Jul 13 18:47:40 <oilsworkn> ^ = NOT
Jul 13 18:47:56 <oilsworkn> ^:*
Jul 13 18:48:13 <oilsworkn> all chars that are not : then a : then the rest of the chars
Jul 13 18:48:21 <digitalpowers> yarp
Jul 13 18:48:25 <digitalpowers> i <3 regex
Jul 13 18:48:37 <oilsworkn> well, something that simple
Jul 13 18:48:43 <oilsworkn> yo ucould just string.split(':')
Jul 13 18:48:45 <digitalpowers> but even more easierly you can just tokenize in most languages
Jul 13 18:48:49 <digitalpowers> rgr
Jul 13 18:49:05 <oilsworkn> which would give you an array of values
Jul 13 18:49:14 <rcube> did anybody have any advice re: drawing images to the screen? eventually I will need to use pdk for backend stuff (obd logging) but for now I am learning the ropes. I am just psting the accel results to the screen in text ala online tut on the dev site. seems like mojo suffices for a simple drawing, no?
Jul 13 18:49:14 <digitalpowers> i couldnt remember the javascript equivelent of strtok
Jul 13 18:49:29 <halfhalo_class> Well, I was thinking split but don't want it to split if there is a : in the values
Jul 13 18:49:39 <oilsworkn> ah
Jul 13 18:49:46 <oilsworkn> rcube: canvas?
Jul 13 18:49:51 <digitalpowers> rcube: yeah use canvas http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1682
Jul 13 18:50:38 * oilsworkn goes to lunch YAY
Jul 13 18:50:39 <rcube> ok. I'll have a look. thanks.
Jul 13 18:52:06 <rcube> ok canvas looks good. are there good tuts out there?
Jul 13 18:53:06 <anivrom> Canvas doesntdo text too well
Jul 13 18:53:52 <anivrom> I don't even know if text is supported on webos yet.
Jul 13 18:54:01 <rcube> sorry meant to say I'm showing text now but will translate the readings to a graphical scale instead. canvas is good for this, NoOneButMe ?
Jul 13 18:54:25 <rcube> NoOneButMe: ?? that was a weird corection. hmm
Jul 13 18:54:33 <digitalpowers> rcube: that page i linked you has a link to a tutorial from mozilla on using canvas, i havent gone through it myself but it looks decent enough
Jul 13 18:54:46 <rcube> oh. musta missed it
Jul 13 18:55:06 <digitalpowers> rcube: it has a couple links right at the top :)
Jul 13 18:55:17 * digitalpowers goes to get some arbys
Jul 13 18:55:36 <rcube> doh
Jul 13 18:55:48 <rcube> thanks digitalpowers :)
Jul 13 18:56:34 <anivrom> Canvas is great for simple things.
Jul 13 18:57:23 <anivrom> I'm building a game in canvas from the ground up. Relatively simple to code. No new concepts
Jul 13 19:07:48 * digitalpowers is back with a stakehouse club (or 2)
Jul 13 19:07:55 <maik> steakhouse
Jul 13 19:08:04 <digitalpowers> rgr what he said
Jul 13 19:08:11 <maik> vampire-killer house
Jul 13 19:08:38 <digitalpowers> no it is stake because it kills my unholy hunger!
Jul 13 19:08:43 <maik> hah
Jul 13 19:20:13 <sugardave> dohtem_: first year worked out well for me, your mileage may vary :D
Jul 13 19:21:57 <halfhalo_class> grah... cant get the regex to work still.
Jul 13 19:22:12 <halfhalo_class> !!!
Jul 13 19:22:15 <halfhalo_class> just did!
Jul 13 19:23:13 <halfhalo_class> ish
Jul 13 19:25:35 <halfhalo_class> and.... there we go
Jul 13 19:28:37 <Eq> is there a way to dynamically set min and max values for integer picker?
Jul 13 19:33:55 <pandora--> any of you have the problem where your "updates" app ALWAYS shows that you have updates available?
Jul 13 19:34:17 <pandora--> i tap the button and it goes to the list of applications, but they're all already up to date
Jul 13 19:34:54 <kesne> I'm back!
Jul 13 19:36:59 <pandora--> really? nobody has that problem?
Jul 13 19:38:55 <HattCzech_work> pandora--: i do
Jul 13 19:39:47 <digitalpowers> pandora--:  i have the same problem, it always tells me there are updates available
Jul 13 19:40:02 <HattCzech_work> i'm checking now... oh! more updates! :)
Jul 13 19:40:17 <pandora--> http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/253866-app-catalog-fix-says-app-updates-but-no-app-update.html
Jul 13 19:40:20 <pandora--> we're not alone...
Jul 13 19:40:28 <HattCzech_work> oh, it wasn't lying this time... there was an app update
Jul 13 19:40:47 <HattCzech_work> oh cool, foursquare beta
Jul 13 19:41:19 <HattCzech_work> anyone use netstat?
Jul 13 19:41:28 <HattCzech_work> it doesn't seem to work properly for me
Jul 13 19:42:24 <torchie> you know what my problem with the updates app is
Jul 13 19:42:32 <torchie> it doesn't say that webOS 1.4.5.1 is available
Jul 13 19:42:34 <torchie> >:(
Jul 13 19:42:56 <pandora--> lol
Jul 13 19:43:01 <pandora--> i have that problem too!
Jul 13 19:43:13 <pandora--> i'm trying the solution from the thread right now...
Jul 13 19:43:56 <HattCzech_work> torchie: agreed
Jul 13 19:44:06 <torchie> :D
Jul 13 19:45:15 <HattCzech_work> oil: you around?
Jul 13 19:45:24 <HattCzech_work> (and no, not in the gulf)
Jul 13 19:45:41 <oil> yeah
Jul 13 19:46:04 <halfhalo_class> lies
Jul 13 19:46:04 <HattCzech_work> who works/worked on terminal
Jul 13 19:46:05 <HattCzech_work> ?
Jul 13 19:46:16 <oil> i added the keyhelp scene :)
Jul 13 19:46:22 <oil> but
Jul 13 19:46:24 <oil> a bunch of people
Jul 13 19:46:29 <halfhalo_class> this script is taking an extremely long time to run....
Jul 13 19:46:33 <oil> i dont know if the original developers are even still around
Jul 13 19:46:40 <halfhalo_class> as in.... like a minute per entry....
Jul 13 19:46:41 <HattCzech_work> that's what i was wondering
Jul 13 19:46:45 <oil> i think destanial was the last to work on it?
Jul 13 19:46:52 <HattCzech_work> cuz i'd love to see it as a hybrid
Jul 13 19:47:03 <HattCzech_work> where is destinal?
Jul 13 19:47:24 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/terminal.git;a=summary
Jul 13 19:47:26 <HattCzech_work> wow, 35 days ago :/
Jul 13 19:47:31 <oil> lol
Jul 13 19:47:47 <torchie> speaking of that,
Jul 13 19:48:04 <torchie> let's get git-core on ipkg-opt
Jul 13 19:48:05 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, so they did it and i didn't notice? urg
Jul 13 19:48:07 <oil> HattCzech_work: i dont think it could even be a hybrid
Jul 13 19:48:12 <pandora--> yeahhhh that didn't work at all
Jul 13 19:48:13 <pandora--> damnit
Jul 13 19:48:16 <oil> well
Jul 13 19:48:20 <oil> it IS a browser plugin
Jul 13 19:48:28 <oil> but its not jailed like a propper hybrid app
Jul 13 19:48:29 <halfhalo_class> yay force quiting chrome!
Jul 13 19:48:38 <oil> if it was jailed, it probably wouldnt work
Jul 13 19:48:42 <HattCzech_work> hmmm
Jul 13 19:48:45 <egaudet_work> terminal hybrid would not have root  privs though
Jul 13 19:49:09 <oil> yeah, that would be no good
Jul 13 19:49:46 <Eq> is there a way to dynamically set min and max values for integer picker?
Jul 13 19:50:31 <HattCzech_work> Eq: probably
Jul 13 19:51:08 <timofalltrades> oil: through the magic of... gremlins, maybe?  now when I switched "show email" setting to something new, it actually synched and got rid of old files.  (Looks like its purging attachments as well.)
Jul 13 19:51:23 <oil> lol
Jul 13 19:51:34 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, attributes, not model, eh? maybe not as easy as i thought
Jul 13 19:51:41 <timofalltrades> possibly might have been because /var was at 100%, although since email is part of that, it would be awfully nice to use the email app to clear space...
Jul 13 19:51:44 <timofalltrades> oi vey
Jul 13 19:54:20 * HattCzech_work wants 1.4.5.x so i can use wIRC 0.3.0 :)
Jul 13 19:54:33 <HattCzech_work> it keeps taunting me in preware
Jul 13 19:54:52 <oil> haha
Jul 13 19:55:36 <torchie> word
Jul 13 19:55:57 <torchie> I hear 3D game TMC with nothing open disappears automagically
Jul 13 19:56:22 <HattCzech_work> that would be good
Jul 13 19:56:40 <HattCzech_work> i think they should just skip 1.4.5 and push out 1.5 ;)
Jul 13 19:56:55 <Tibfib> except that 1.5 is like 3-4 months away
Jul 13 19:57:07 <oil> they haven't bread enough unicorns to send one with each copy of 1.5
Jul 13 19:57:16 <oil> thats the REAL reason for delay
Jul 13 19:57:29 <timofalltrades> breaded unicorns wouldn't be much use anyway
Jul 13 19:57:30 <timofalltrades> ;)
Jul 13 19:57:35 <HattCzech_work> bred, FYI ;)
Jul 13 19:57:44 <timofalltrades> heh
Jul 13 19:57:56 <oil> whatever
Jul 13 19:58:06 <oil> how often do i use the past tense of breed?
Jul 13 19:58:07 <Tibfib> lol, isn't breaded for food?
Jul 13 19:58:09 <oil> once, ever?
Jul 13 19:58:14 <HattCzech_work> mmm, breaded unicorn... haven't had that before... sounds tasty... is it deep fried, too?
Jul 13 19:58:18 <timofalltrades> Tib: exactly
Jul 13 19:58:25 <HattCzech_work> oil: valid point
Jul 13 19:58:25 <timofalltrades> Hatt: of course!
Jul 13 19:58:36 <Tibfib> lol
Jul 13 19:58:41 <timofalltrades> I think there's bacon involved too
Jul 13 19:58:52 <HattCzech_work> mmm, now i really want some
Jul 13 19:59:03 <oil> the other white meat
Jul 13 19:59:18 <timofalltrades> Chaaaarrlliiieee!
Jul 13 19:59:24 <HattCzech_work> hahhaah... VERY white meat
Jul 13 19:59:24 <oil> oh god
Jul 13 19:59:27 <timofalltrades> (sorry - vague reference)
Jul 13 19:59:30 <oil> those videos are hilarious
Jul 13 19:59:33 <timofalltrades> HAH
Jul 13 19:59:45 * oil wants to go to candy mountain
Jul 13 19:59:46 <timofalltrades> they're disturbing, more like.
Jul 13 19:59:54 <oil> "oh crap, my kidney!"
Jul 13 19:59:57 <timofalltrades> heh.  look for spoonfingers too - another odd one
Jul 13 19:59:59 <HattCzech_work> leopluridons!?
Jul 13 20:00:00 <timofalltrades> heh
Jul 13 20:00:37 <timofalltrades> maybe 1.5 is on the candy mountain
Jul 13 20:01:31 <b0bben> good evening peeps
Jul 13 20:01:41 <timofalltrades> evenin'
Jul 13 20:02:02 <b0bben> anybody has contact details to developer of tweetme ?
Jul 13 20:02:09 <b0bben> his page is down (tweetmeapp.com)
Jul 13 20:02:33 <b0bben> i wanna buy it, but i'm in unsupported country, so i wanna send him money thru paypal :)
Jul 13 20:02:40 <b0bben> i need that app badly! ;)
Jul 13 20:02:48 <Tibfib> b0bben: sometimes he is in here
Jul 13 20:02:58 <Tibfib> his twitter is catalystmedia I think
Jul 13 20:03:07 <b0bben> o rly? what's his nick?
Jul 13 20:03:13 <Tibfib> catalystmedia
Jul 13 20:03:14 <b0bben> kewl, gonna check that out
Jul 13 20:03:37 <b0bben> thx Tibfib
Jul 13 20:03:56 <Tibfib> b0bben: np
Jul 13 20:04:29 <b0bben> what's up with palm and not allowing us in unsupported countries to buy shit of appcatalog?
Jul 13 20:05:11 <b0bben> that's just stupid...i can download all the free ones, so it's not like they afraid of extra support needs or stuff like that
Jul 13 20:05:36 <Tibfib> taxes
Jul 13 20:06:17 <b0bben> EU shouldn't be affected then...UK/DE ppl can buy, same rules apply to us in sweden for example
Jul 13 20:06:25 <torchie> are there any app stores that support all countries out of the gate
Jul 13 20:06:35 <b0bben> are there any official statements on this issue?
Jul 13 20:06:38 <oil> torchie: the internet :)
Jul 13 20:06:42 <torchie> oh yeah
Jul 13 20:06:49 <oil> lol
Jul 13 20:06:53 <oil> download.com
Jul 13 20:06:53 <torchie> now if only all game consoles could be region free
Jul 13 20:07:25 <b0bben> torchie: yeah, that shit is stupid...region coding == works of teh devil (and greedy bastards)
Jul 13 20:07:31 <halfhalo_class> god dam chrome... 6 minutes to get back up due to it
Jul 13 20:10:38 <b0bben> halfhalo_class: due to what? stop with the cliffhangers :)
Jul 13 20:11:35 <halfhalo_class> script bombing out
Jul 13 20:16:22 <torchie> yeah seriously
Jul 13 20:16:31 <torchie> if you're gonna region code your system
Jul 13 20:16:35 <torchie> you better localize every
Jul 13 20:16:36 <torchie> single
Jul 13 20:16:38 <torchie> product
Jul 13 20:19:22 <kesne> http://fonefrenzy.com/2010/07/13/interview-webos-developer-keen-studios-talks-up-checkers-2-and-webos-development/
Jul 13 20:20:55 <halfhalo_class> jesus chrome is eating up all the memory
Jul 13 20:21:40 <b0bben> halfhalo_class: what page are you visiting?
Jul 13 20:22:57 <halfhalo_class> it was a local page im working on.  It just completely breaks chrome with what should be an easy task.  Chrome was eating 2.4GB of mem
Jul 13 20:28:12 <anivrom> O_o never heard of any browser taking 2.4 gb..
Jul 13 20:28:50 <Eq> is there a way to sync a calendar which i created in my application with new account , with google calendar?
Jul 13 20:29:58 <halfhalo_class> My virtual memory is just a tad out of control right now....
Jul 13 20:30:25 <halfhalo_class> 125GB
Jul 13 20:33:45 <b0bben> Eq: could you elaborate on that a little more? did you create a google cal account on your webos device after you created the event locally on the phone?
Jul 13 20:36:05 <Eq> ok
Jul 13 20:37:11 <Eq> i've created acount via createAccount of serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.accounts/crud'
Jul 13 20:38:07 <Eq> in the parameters section i've entered the exact account id of the newly created calendar at my google calendar account
Jul 13 20:38:37 <Eq> sync only sync the regular profile
Jul 13 20:39:16 <Eq> basically what i need is  away to sync a created calendar at my application with a google calendar
Jul 13 20:40:33 <timofalltrades> anyone here screwed with drop_caches?  http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_drop_caches.html
Jul 13 20:41:29 <Eq> also only device sync with google calendar , emulator not
Jul 13 20:41:32 <timofalltrades> there's a post in the forum claiming using a 3 setting does away with the TMC errors, but seems like it could be fraught w' peril to me...
Jul 13 20:41:34 <timofalltrades> http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/253693-phone-slow-do-so-tmc-does-not-come-up.html#post2537490
Jul 13 20:42:55 <b0bben> Eq: not sure you can force a sync...synergy should handle that for the user
Jul 13 20:43:04 <Eq> ok
Jul 13 20:43:19 <Eq> than its just a question
Jul 13 20:43:24 <b0bben> Eq: but again, i haven't worked with calender API at all so don't take my word for it
Jul 13 20:43:53 <b0bben> To prevent unauthorized use of private user data, this API provides access only to records created by your application; that is, you cannot access records owned by another application.
Jul 13 20:44:08 <b0bben> copied from calendar API page
Jul 13 20:44:14 <Eq> i know
Jul 13 20:44:31 <b0bben> sync is prolly a "private user data"
Jul 13 20:44:44 <b0bben> now, to get some sleep...
Jul 13 20:44:49 <b0bben> good luck Eq
Jul 13 20:45:04 <Eq> 10x
Jul 13 20:48:35 <timofalltrades> ciao all!
Jul 13 20:50:02 <codeslaw> interesting article on why people think coding in C yields much faster performance http://pl.atyp.us/wordpress/?p=2947
Jul 13 20:57:34 <HattCzech_work> anyone use google maps api?
Jul 13 20:58:05 <HattCzech_work> (and able to help me figure out why i'm getting REQUEST_DENIED?)
Jul 13 20:58:52 <codeslaw> because you've had too much to drink
Jul 13 20:58:55 <codeslaw> and it's time for you to leave
Jul 13 20:59:36 <Tibfib> HattCzech_work: you need to imbue your request with magic.
Jul 13 20:59:44 <codeslaw> before i call that 300lb bouncer with the IQ equal to his own age to deal with the problem
Jul 13 20:59:51 <codeslaw> this is 6th st, afterall
Jul 13 20:59:52 <HattCzech_work> heheh
Jul 13 21:00:24 <HattCzech_work> which is why i avoid 6th :) unless my bartender friend is working at aquarium
Jul 13 21:01:43 <codeslaw> i.... hate the aquarium
Jul 13 21:01:53 <codeslaw> and the library
Jul 13 21:02:00 <codeslaw> and DEFINETELY the blind pig
Jul 13 21:02:12 <codeslaw> definitely*
Jul 13 21:02:19 <HattCzech_work> flying pig?
Jul 13 21:02:28 <HattCzech_work> or is it blind pig?
Jul 13 21:02:32 <codeslaw> blind pig
Jul 13 21:02:37 <HattCzech_work> (never been there, have no clue)
Jul 13 21:02:44 <codeslaw> blows ass
Jul 13 21:02:51 <HattCzech_work> hahaha
Jul 13 21:02:56 <codeslaw> i like the gingerman
Jul 13 21:03:03 <codeslaw> halcyon
Jul 13 21:03:12 <HattCzech_work> halcyon is cool
Jul 13 21:03:21 <codeslaw> their coffee cocktails are wicked
Jul 13 21:03:25 <codeslaw> if not a little girly
Jul 13 21:03:28 <codeslaw> but
Jul 13 21:03:38 <codeslaw> i drink them in a manly fashion
Jul 13 21:03:56 <codeslaw> brb
Jul 13 21:08:44 <HattCzech_work> i get the thin mint (it has ice cream), and tastes friggin awesome
Jul 13 21:08:57 <HattCzech_work> it's like a mint-chocolate milkshake... with alcohol :)
Jul 13 21:09:07 <anivrom> codeslaw: nice link about 8
Jul 13 21:09:20 <anivrom> C too!
Jul 13 21:11:08 <anivrom> GC is such a pain. I wish you could turn it off and call it when you want to only
Jul 13 21:11:18 <codeslaw> ya
Jul 13 21:11:52 <anivrom> Sometimes it will trigger in my game and I have no clue why.
Jul 13 21:12:08 <codeslaw> could be other things as well
Jul 13 21:12:25 <codeslaw> thread scheduling
Jul 13 21:12:52 <codeslaw> the main loop in my app instantiates nothing, yet i get occaisonal hiccups
Jul 13 21:15:17 <anivrom> My main loop shifts an array once ina whileand that's it. Rest is if statements/ simple math.random and arithmetic
Jul 13 21:15:28 <HattCzech_work> dawm: you around?
Jul 13 21:15:32 <Tibfib> anivrom: what's your app?
Jul 13 21:15:47 <anivrom> Its a game.
Jul 13 21:16:04 <anivrom> Canvas game
Jul 13 21:16:38 <HattCzech_work> ahah! figured out the maps thing... excellent
Jul 13 21:16:42 * HattCzech_work taps fingers
Jul 13 21:16:50 <codeslaw> anivrom: reddit discussion on that article http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/cp3tq/its_faster_because_its_c/
Jul 13 21:18:55 <EmmettLollis> i finally got a support email
Jul 13 21:19:58 <HattCzech_work> EmmettLollis: what did it say?
Jul 13 21:20:37 <EmmettLollis> it was more of a feature request to add the ability to save frequent meals
Jul 13 21:22:14 <HattCzech_work> feature requests are good :)
Jul 13 21:22:31 <HattCzech_work> it means less thinking ;) hehe
Jul 13 21:22:50 <EmmettLollis> indeed
Jul 13 21:22:54 <anivrom> True true. Give the people what they want
Jul 13 21:23:14 <anivrom> Not what you 'think' they want :P
Jul 13 21:23:40 <EmmettLollis> at one point i was going to add a meal database but i didn't want to mess with it
Jul 13 21:23:45 <EmmettLollis> wanted to get my app out
Jul 13 21:25:21 <EmmettLollis> nice, the hot news anchor winked at me on my facebook wall
Jul 13 22:18:38 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: what are you good for?
Jul 13 22:18:39 <webOS-info> wish i knew, digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:18:50 <maik> webOS-info: docs?
Jul 13 22:18:50 <webOS-info> maik: i don't know
Jul 13 22:18:55 <maik> webOS-info: seen digitalpowers?
Jul 13 22:18:55 <webOS-info> digitalpowers was last seen on #webos 16 seconds ago, saying: webOS-info: what are you good for? [Tue Jul 13 18:18:39 2010]
Jul 13 22:19:01 <maik> webOS-info: your mom
Jul 13 22:19:01 <webOS-info> maik: excuse me?
Jul 13 22:19:18 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: help!
Jul 13 22:19:21 <maik> webOS-info: who owns you
Jul 13 22:19:21 <webOS-info> i don't know, maik
Jul 13 22:19:42 <maik> webOS-info: digitalpowers is <reply> zomg luser
Jul 13 22:19:42 <webOS-info> OK, maik.
Jul 13 22:19:46 <maik> digitalpowers:
Jul 13 22:19:48 <maik> digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:19:51 <maik> webOS-info: digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:19:51 <webOS-info> zomg luser
Jul 13 22:20:08 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: please dont be so mean
Jul 13 22:20:09 <webOS-info> digitalpowers: excuse me?
Jul 13 22:20:21 <Tibfib> do botsmack digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:20:34 <maik> digitalpowers: smack digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:20:39 <maik> heh
Jul 13 22:20:41 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: smack maik
Jul 13 22:20:42 <webOS-info> digitalpowers: what?
Jul 13 22:20:42 <maik> webOS-info: slap digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:20:42 <webOS-info> maik: excuse me?
Jul 13 22:20:47 <maik> useless
Jul 13 22:20:48 <Tibfib> botsmack
Jul 13 22:20:52 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: botsmack maik
Jul 13 22:20:52 <webOS-info> digitalpowers: excuse me?
Jul 13 22:20:57 <Tibfib> no person
Jul 13 22:21:01 <maik> botsmack
Jul 13 22:21:01 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: botsmack
Jul 13 22:21:02 * webOS-info smacks digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:21:07 * digitalpowers ouch
Jul 13 22:21:11 <Tibfib> webOS-info: botsnack
Jul 13 22:21:12 <webOS-info> thanks Tibfib :)
Jul 13 22:21:13 <maik> oh...hooray
Jul 13 22:21:18 <maik> hah
Jul 13 22:21:23 <digitalpowers> haha
Jul 13 22:21:23 <Tibfib> you can't do <action> person
Jul 13 22:21:31 <maik> webOS-info: would you do it for a.....botsnack!?
Jul 13 22:21:31 <webOS-info> thanks maik :)
Jul 13 22:21:50 <maik> ruh roh raggy
Jul 13 22:22:04 <digitalpowers> awsome is at http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:22:12 <digitalpowers> anyone know where i can find some awsome?
Jul 13 22:22:13 <maik> address heem
Jul 13 22:22:17 <digitalpowers> bah
Jul 13 22:22:28 <maik> webOS-info: digitalpowers quotes
Jul 13 22:22:28 <webOS-info> maik: what?
Jul 13 22:22:41 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: awsome is at http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:22:41 <maik> Tibfib: does he have docs anywhere?
Jul 13 22:22:42 <webOS-info> OK, digitalpowers.
Jul 13 22:22:48 <maik> webOS-info: awesome?
Jul 13 22:22:49 <webOS-info> awesome is codeslaw
Jul 13 22:22:50 <oilsworkn> oh great
Jul 13 22:22:51 <Tibfib> webOS-info: infobot docs
Jul 13 22:22:51 <webOS-info> Tibfib: what?
Jul 13 22:22:52 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: where is awsome?
Jul 13 22:22:52 <webOS-info> rumour has it awsome is at http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:22:53 <maik> hah
Jul 13 22:22:59 <Tibfib> webOS-info: documentation
Jul 13 22:22:59 <codeslaw> YA!!!
Jul 13 22:22:59 <webOS-info> Tibfib: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 22:23:03 <Tibfib> webOS-info: bot docs
Jul 13 22:23:04 <webOS-info> Tibfib: huh?
Jul 13 22:23:05 <codeslaw> you hear that?!
Jul 13 22:23:07 <maik> ooooh
Jul 13 22:23:10 <codeslaw> awesome is codeslaw...
Jul 13 22:23:14 <Tibfib> webOS-info: bot instructions
Jul 13 22:23:14 <webOS-info> Tibfib: excuse me?
Jul 13 22:23:18 <codeslaw> who taught him that? not me!
Jul 13 22:23:21 <Tibfib> webOS-info: infobot instructions
Jul 13 22:23:21 <webOS-info> infobot instructions are at http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html
Jul 13 22:23:25 <Tibfib> GOT It!
Jul 13 22:23:43 <maik> is he yours?
Jul 13 22:23:47 <Tibfib> nope
Jul 13 22:23:58 * oilsworkn feels like kicking webos-info out of the channel again
Jul 13 22:24:13 <maik> webOS-info: forget where awesome is
Jul 13 22:24:13 <webOS-info> maik, I didn't have anything matching where is awesome
Jul 13 22:24:26 <Tibfib> webOS-info: forget awesome
Jul 13 22:24:27 <webOS-info> Tibfib: I forgot awesome
Jul 13 22:24:27 <maik> webOS-info: literal awesome
Jul 13 22:24:27 <webOS-info> maik: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 22:24:35 <maik> awesome was codeslaw though
Jul 13 22:24:40 <maik> webOS-info: where is awesome?
Jul 13 22:24:41 <webOS-info> bugger all, i dunno, maik
Jul 13 22:24:44 <maik> hmm...
Jul 13 22:24:48 <maik> webOS-info: awesome?
Jul 13 22:24:48 <webOS-info> i haven't a clue, maik
Jul 13 22:24:54 <maik> lying sack of crap
Jul 13 22:25:12 <Tibfib> lol "05:24:36 <Tibfib> webOS-info: forget awesome"
Jul 13 22:25:26 <maik> yes i know
Jul 13 22:25:42 <maik> but previously if you said: webOS-info: awesome? he would say "awesome is codeslaw"
Jul 13 22:25:50 <maik> and if you asked "where is awesome" he would say what digitalpowers set
Jul 13 22:26:03 <codeslaw> webOS-info: awesome is codeslaw
Jul 13 22:26:03 <webOS-info> OK, codeslaw.
Jul 13 22:26:09 <codeslaw> webOS-info: awesome?
Jul 13 22:26:10 <webOS-info> awesome is codeslaw
Jul 13 22:26:10 <maik> fixed.
Jul 13 22:26:19 <codeslaw> webOS-info: codeslaw?
Jul 13 22:26:19 <webOS-info> hmmm... codeslaw is http://codeslaw.net
Jul 13 22:26:22 <Tibfib> webOS-info: awesome is at bash.org
Jul 13 22:26:23 <webOS-info> ...but awesome is codeslaw...
Jul 13 22:26:31 <maik> webOS-info: awesome is also http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:26:32 <webOS-info> okay, maik.
Jul 13 22:26:33 <codeslaw> don't confuse him
Jul 13 22:26:34 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: nickometer digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:26:34 <maik> :D
Jul 13 22:26:34 <codeslaw> he loves me
Jul 13 22:26:35 <webOS-info> 'digitalpowers' is 0% lame, digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:26:44 <maik> webOS-info: nickometer maik
Jul 13 22:26:44 <webOS-info> 'maik' is 0% lame, maik
Jul 13 22:26:52 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: i like you
Jul 13 22:26:53 <webOS-info> digitalpowers: sorry...
Jul 13 22:27:18 <digitalpowers> webOS-info: nickometer 133tn1ck
Jul 13 22:27:19 <webOS-info> '133tn1ck' is 99.30% lame, digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:27:30 <maik> webOS-info: digitalpowers++
Jul 13 22:27:34 <maik> webOS-info: karma digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:27:35 <webOS-info> digitalpowers has karma of 1
Jul 13 22:28:14 <maik> no, webOS-info, awesome is codeslaw|http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:28:20 <maik> hmm
Jul 13 22:28:30 <maik> webOS-info: awesome
Jul 13 22:28:30 <webOS-info> awesome is codeslaw or http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:28:38 <maik> webOS-info: forget awesome
Jul 13 22:28:38 <webOS-info> maik: I forgot awesome
Jul 13 22:28:44 <maik> webOS-info, awesome is codeslaw|http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:28:44 <webOS-info> OK, maik.
Jul 13 22:28:47 <maik> webOS-info: awesome
Jul 13 22:28:48 <webOS-info> it has been said that awesome is codeslaw
Jul 13 22:28:50 <maik> webOS-info: awesome
Jul 13 22:28:50 <webOS-info> i heard awesome was http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:28:52 <maik> :D
Jul 13 22:28:54 <codeslaw> haha
Jul 13 22:29:23 <Tibfib> webOS-info: graph
Jul 13 22:29:24 <webOS-info> graph is http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/graph.png
Jul 13 22:29:52 <maik> webOS-info: awesome is codeslaw|http://digitalpowers.com|no, $who, you're awesome!!
Jul 13 22:29:52 <webOS-info> ...but awesome is codeslaw|http://digitalpowers.com...
Jul 13 22:29:58 <maik> webOS-info: forget awesome
Jul 13 22:29:58 <webOS-info> maik: I forgot awesome
Jul 13 22:30:00 <maik> webOS-info: awesome is codeslaw|http://digitalpowers.com|no, $who, you're awesome!!
Jul 13 22:30:01 <webOS-info> OK, maik.
Jul 13 22:30:05 <maik> webOS-info: awesome
Jul 13 22:30:05 <webOS-info> awesome is no, maik, you're awesome!!
Jul 13 22:30:13 <maik> oh..wait
Jul 13 22:30:17 <maik> webOS-info: forget awesome
Jul 13 22:30:18 <webOS-info> maik: I forgot awesome
Jul 13 22:30:24 <maik> webOS-info: awesome is codeslaw|http://digitalpowers.com|<reply>no, $who, you're awesome!!
Jul 13 22:30:24 <webOS-info> OK, maik.
Jul 13 22:30:28 <maik> webOS-info: awesome
Jul 13 22:30:28 <webOS-info> no, maik, you're awesome!!
Jul 13 22:30:33 <maik> webOS-info: awesome
Jul 13 22:30:33 <webOS-info> well, awesome is codeslaw
Jul 13 22:30:51 <Mousey> you're all awesome
Jul 13 22:30:59 <oilsworkn> webOS-info: leave #webos
Jul 13 22:30:59 <webOS-info> goodbye, oilsworkn.
Jul 13 22:31:07 * oilsworkn whipes brow
Jul 13 22:31:19 <digitalpowers> oh sad panda
Jul 13 22:31:25 <maik> jerk
Jul 13 22:31:27 <Tibfib> hahahahahaahahahahahah
Jul 13 22:31:36 <oilsworkn> that was like 11 mins of spam
Jul 13 22:31:40 <oilsworkn> 0 of it related to webos
Jul 13 22:31:47 <maik> bitches
Jul 13 22:31:48 <halfhalo_class> grrrr json-template......
Jul 13 22:31:57 <Tibfib> I didn't know you could tell it to leave
Jul 13 22:32:02 <digitalpowers> ok oilsworkn i will be good
Jul 13 22:32:05 <oilsworkn> yeah, im just awesome like that
Jul 13 22:32:05 <maik> heh, ya
Jul 13 22:32:14 <oilsworkn> it was just a guess actually
Jul 13 22:32:15 <maik> /msg webos-info join #webos
Jul 13 22:32:18 <maik> :D
Jul 13 22:32:28 <sugardave> hmm...which is more effort...figuring out how the video player works with overlays/streaming/etc so I can embed videos in a scene or convince the client it would be better to use Palm's video player and deal with the separate card
Jul 13 22:32:46 <Tibfib> deal with separate card
Jul 13 22:32:51 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 22:33:07 <oilsworkn> yeah, use their thing
Jul 13 22:33:09 <maik> webOS-info: weather 99111
Jul 13 22:33:15 <maik> loser
Jul 13 22:33:57 <maik> webOS-info: nslookup www.palm.com
Jul 13 22:34:05 <webOS-info> www.palm.com is 216.66.8.49
Jul 13 22:34:11 <maik> ruh roh
Jul 13 22:34:14 <codeslaw> later peeps
Jul 13 22:34:23 <maik> webOS-info: nslookup www.palm.com
Jul 13 22:34:24 <webOS-info> www.palm.com is 216.66.8.82
Jul 13 22:34:28 <maik> haha
Jul 13 22:34:53 <oilsworkn> wow
Jul 13 22:34:59 <maik> i'm messaging that to him
Jul 13 22:35:01 <maik> DoS, here i come
Jul 13 22:35:07 <oilsworkn> now quit/join spam
Jul 13 22:35:09 <oilsworkn> so much better
Jul 13 22:35:17 <maik> ok, i'll stop
Jul 13 22:35:22 <maik> but in case you all want to
Jul 13 22:35:24 <maik> /msg webOS-info nslookup www.palm.com
Jul 13 22:35:27 <oilsworkn> only if there were some ops in this channel, lol
Jul 13 22:35:36 <zsoc> this is why we can't have nice things
Jul 13 22:35:42 <maik> rofl
Jul 13 22:35:47 <zsoc> s/can't have nice things/i don't talk in this channel/
Jul 13 22:35:49 <Tibfib> webOS-info: excuse
Jul 13 22:35:49 <webOS-info> Tibfib: what?
Jul 13 22:35:50 <digitalpowers> maik is really bored he recently quit his job and doesnt seem to think he has to work anymore
Jul 13 22:35:59 <maik> you like it
Jul 13 22:36:00 <digitalpowers> even though his 2 weeks arnt up yet
Jul 13 22:36:02 <oilsworkn> so what zsoc is saying, is zsoc is a nice thing?
Jul 13 22:36:15 <maik> so he thinks
Jul 13 22:36:15 <zsoc> oilsworkn: you are a genius
Jul 13 22:36:17 <maik> he/she
Jul 13 22:36:27 <oilsworkn> zsoc: i already knew that
Jul 13 22:36:29 <zsoc> maik: i prefer "s/he"
Jul 13 22:36:35 <maik> i was just about to say that
Jul 13 22:36:41 <maik> i didn't want to offend anyone's offensiveness though
Jul 13 22:38:23 <oilsworkn> or you could take it from futurama
Jul 13 22:38:25 <oilsworkn> and use "Schle"
Jul 13 22:39:59 <oilsworkn> though, i guess that only makes sense if you've seen "the beast with a billion backs"
Jul 13 22:40:16 <oilsworkn> one of the straight-to-dvd episodes
Jul 13 22:40:32 <BigBiff> b cartoon at best
Jul 13 22:40:51 <oilsworkn> O.O
Jul 13 22:41:00 <BigBiff> squidbillies ftw
Jul 13 22:42:20 <BigBiff> lots of webos vs android/iphone overtones in squidbillies
Jul 13 22:42:29 <oilsworkn> that makes it better?
Jul 13 22:42:38 * BigBiff is trying to stay on topic
Jul 13 22:42:42 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 22:42:49 <oilsworkn> well any topic is better then bot
Jul 13 22:47:03 <Bmyers> hi all
Jul 13 22:47:14 <sugardave> re-hi
Jul 13 22:47:38 <Bmyers> hey sugardave
Jul 13 22:49:26 <maik> webOS-info: convert 100USD to MXN
Jul 13 22:49:26 <webOS-info> maik: i'm not following you...
Jul 13 22:49:36 <maik> webOS-info: change 100USD to MXN
Jul 13 22:49:36 <webOS-info> maik: that doesn't look right
Jul 13 22:49:40 <maik> shutup
Jul 13 22:49:46 <kesne> :D
Jul 13 22:49:47 <maik> webOS-info: change 100 USD to MXN
Jul 13 22:49:48 <webOS-info> maik: Don't know about "100" as a currency
Jul 13 22:50:05 <maik> damn, you're stupid and buggy
Jul 13 22:50:08 <digitalpowers> maik: stop being a trouble maker
Jul 13 22:50:12 <maik> heh
Jul 13 22:50:19 <digitalpowers> crashin bots and takin names
Jul 13 22:50:41 <digitalpowers> hahahaha
Jul 13 22:50:49 <digitalpowers> kesne wins!
Jul 13 22:50:52 <maik> o1: awesome
Jul 13 22:50:52 <o1> well, awesome is http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 13 22:50:59 <maik> :D
Jul 13 22:51:17 <oilsworkn> idk, i just clicked that link, it doesn't seem very awesome
Jul 13 22:51:27 <maik> webos-info: what's the cube root of pi
Jul 13 22:51:30 <digitalpowers> cry
Jul 13 22:51:42 <webos-info> maik: Your mom
Jul 13 22:51:51 <oilsworkn> whats it do?
Jul 13 22:51:51 <maik> try http://officewarfare.net
Jul 13 22:52:23 <Bmyers> webos-info: 1 maik 0
Jul 13 22:52:24 <digitalpowers> dp is not much it is the site i "was" hosting Territory at but i have finally given up on territory
Jul 13 22:52:30 <maik> awe
Jul 13 22:52:42 <oilsworkn> im all "show me the map" its all "sorry working on it"
Jul 13 22:52:44 <oilsworkn> ;(
Jul 13 22:52:50 <digitalpowers> webos-info: fishslap maik
Jul 13 22:52:52 <maik> and i was like wut
Jul 13 22:52:57 <maik> and he was like wuuuuut
Jul 13 22:53:02 <maik> webos-info: insult digitalpowers
Jul 13 22:53:09 <digitalpowers> yeah the map is there but it is at showmap.aspx instead of map.aspx it has a couple buts i never ironed out
Jul 13 22:53:15 <maik> o1: tell digitalpowers to suck it
Jul 13 22:53:15 <o1> maik: sorry...
Jul 13 22:53:23 <webos-info> I also do money conversions
Jul 13 22:53:31 <digitalpowers> s/buts/bugs/
Jul 13 22:53:37 <maik> webos-info: convert 1 franc to mexinuggets
Jul 13 22:53:52 <webos-info> Digitalpower has penis breath
Jul 13 22:54:00 <maik> tab-completion is your friend
Jul 13 22:54:03 <digitalpowers> i have heard that about him
Jul 13 22:54:09 <webos-info> Darn
Jul 13 22:54:17 <maik> o snap
Jul 13 22:54:22 <webos-info> digitalpowers has penisbreath
Jul 13 22:54:30 <maik> kesne: i take it that's your bot then?
Jul 13 22:54:42 <webos-info> maik: no sir
Jul 13 22:54:46 <maik> hmm
Jul 13 22:54:46 <discombobulate> [06:54:35] <brian@utter>:~$ rm -rf infobot
Jul 13 22:54:47 <discombobulate> [06:54:38] <brian@utter>:~$
Jul 13 22:54:51 <maik> keeps quitting
Jul 13 22:54:58 <maik> ruh roh
Jul 13 22:55:03 <discombobulate>  problem. solved.
Jul 13 22:55:04 <digitalpowers> gasp! who told you that!?!? did oilsworkn tell you that!? he is a damn liar
Jul 13 22:55:15 <maik> discombobulate: but that's no fun :(
Jul 13 22:55:24 <oilsworkn> ?
Jul 13 22:55:36 <maik> i mean, sorry to DoS your bot and all, but infobots can be entertaining
Jul 13 22:55:53 <oilsworkn> s/entertaining/annoying/
Jul 13 22:56:08 <maik> if you really want to be awed by a bot though, check out Bucket on xkcd's irc network
Jul 13 22:56:11 <webos-info> oilsworkn is the lead developer at AppBookShop
Jul 13 22:56:18 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 22:56:18 <maik> oilsworkn: PERMISSION DENIED: NOT UR STATEMENT FOR TO BE REGEXING
Jul 13 22:56:31 <oilsworkn> is it making any money?
Jul 13 22:56:37 <oilsworkn> if so, id like to get a cut
Jul 13 22:57:00 <discombobulate> i'm not bothered.. i was doing it as a service, not as an annoyance..
Jul 13 22:57:09 <discombobulate> no problem though
Jul 13 22:57:34 <maik> discombobulate: i totally felt serviced and not annoyed
Jul 13 22:57:50 <digitalpowers> the urge to write my own really really agrivating irc bot is almost overwhelming
Jul 13 22:58:27 <digitalpowers> fear not though i have the follow through of a retired golfer
Jul 13 22:58:41 <BigBiff> lol
Jul 13 22:58:57 <discombobulate> eh, the idea was for it to handle simple webOS questions, not join/part flood and annoy half the channel.. it's a poorly scripted idea
Jul 13 22:59:08 <BigBiff> excellent analogy sir
Jul 13 22:59:12 <maik> hah
Jul 13 22:59:33 <oilsworkn> what, it just replies to everything with rand('your mom...','thats what she said','man kesne sucks')
Jul 13 22:59:50 <Tibfib> discombobulate: I think once people gets use to it, it'll be helpful
Jul 13 23:00:17 <digitalpowers> its really my fault i have to confess i had never used an irc bot before, i got excited, then maik had to show off and the rest is history
Jul 13 23:00:30 <maik> heh
Jul 13 23:00:34 <discombobulate> it's no ones fault
Jul 13 23:00:46 * oilsworkn blames maik
Jul 13 23:00:48 <maik> i think technically it's mine
Jul 13 23:00:51 <maik> haha
Jul 13 23:00:52 <discombobulate> it's the curse of the infobot
Jul 13 23:00:58 <maik> i was being a bit abusive
Jul 13 23:00:59 <discombobulate> too easy to abuse
Jul 13 23:01:14 <maik> fear not, i'm setting one up as we speak, though it will be mostly for entertainment
Jul 13 23:01:34 <maik> and you can tell it to shutup, and it will
Jul 13 23:17:15 <sugardave> woohoo, client is reasonable, I just shave about a week of time off this project
Jul 13 23:17:22 <sugardave> s/shave/shaved/
Jul 13 23:18:21 * oilsworkn gives sugardave a round of applause
Jul 13 23:19:35 <oilsworkn> i dont know if i would want to develop an app for a "client"
Jul 13 23:19:40 <oilsworkn> then it would seem too much like work
Jul 13 23:20:23 <sugardave> I like to use them as proving grounds for other ideas or things I haven't done yet
Jul 13 23:20:28 <sugardave> makes it seem less work-like
Jul 13 23:20:32 <oilsworkn> lol
Jul 13 23:28:16 <Bmyers> what r u working on sugardave?
Jul 13 23:28:39 <Bmyers> webos-info: what is sugardave working on?
Jul 13 23:28:39 * BigBiff thinks of 2001
Jul 13 23:29:00 <digitalpowers> sorry Bmyers we abused info bot and he went on strike
Jul 13 23:29:06 <maik> heh
Jul 13 23:29:12 <Bmyers> there is a bot union?
Jul 13 23:29:18 <maik> sugardave is working on a project he and i were both asked to bid on
Jul 13 23:29:29 <BigBiff> "what are you doing, dave"
Jul 13 23:29:44 <BigBiff> "nothing, hal"
Jul 13 23:29:48 <sugardave> maik: I wrapped that one up, this is repeat business :D
Jul 13 23:29:54 <maik> oh, nice
Jul 13 23:29:56 <Bmyers> maik, what sort app?
Jul 13 23:30:08 <maik> i can't even remember what the previous one was
Jul 13 23:30:08 <Bmyers> o there he is
Jul 13 23:30:19 <maik> something to get ringtones on your phone or something
Jul 13 23:30:30 <Bmyers> bigboob ringtones?
Jul 13 23:30:42 <BigBiff> tipcalc ringtones
Jul 13 23:31:02 <maik> free music ringtones?
Jul 13 23:31:13 <rwhitby> torchie: ipkg-opt has git already
Jul 13 23:31:20 <BigBiff> northern brunswick rugby highligt ringtones
Jul 13 23:31:22 <torchie> word!?
Jul 13 23:31:29 <torchie> hotttttt
Jul 13 23:31:49 <maik> heh
Jul 13 23:32:00 <rwhitby> torchie: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/
Jul 13 23:35:33 <halfhalo_pre> ewww, unpretty feeds
Jul 13 23:39:49 <torchie> rwhitby i love you
Jul 13 23:42:38 * rwhitby will accept a handshake ;)
Jul 13 23:42:59 * torchie high 5?
Jul 13 23:43:23 <rwhitby> sure
Jul 13 23:46:23 <cdm> :)
Jul 13 23:46:29 <cdm> rwhitby keeps it going
Jul 13 23:49:04 <rwhitby> anyone know if there is a recording of the keynote speech from yesterday?
Jul 13 23:50:55 <torchie> flexible displays lead exactly to what I'm hoping for for the next palm phone
Jul 13 23:51:13 <torchie> arc shaped device!
Jul 13 23:52:08 <sugardave> I want an ark-shaped device
Jul 13 23:53:07 <cdm> torchie: really?  Dude, it's years away
Jul 13 23:53:33 <cdm> biggest display makers in the world can *barely* keep up with AMOLED demand.
Jul 13 23:54:27 <cdm> plus, you have to remember, the display isn't the key for device shape.
Jul 13 23:54:29 <cdm> battery is key
Jul 13 23:54:53 <cdm> curved batteries are hard to make and generally not as power effecient.
Jul 13 23:56:24 <bpadalino> lithium-ion polymer batteries seem to have versatile battery shapes
Jul 13 23:56:28 <bpadalino> but i am not a battery expert
Jul 13 23:57:03 <Anivrom> LiPo's can change shape and not take a significant hit in charge hold
Jul 13 23:57:19 <Anivrom> I use them exclusively in my rc airplanes
Jul 13 23:58:47 <cdm> uh-huh.  Those aren't cellphones
Jul 13 23:59:08 <cdm> Spent a bunch of time talking with our battery guy on this for designs after we started pre.
Jul 13 23:59:55 <Anivrom> Erm... cell phones = lithium ion. bpadalino was talking about lithium polymer
Jul 14 00:00:08 <Anivrom> :P hence my reference to lipo
Jul 14 00:00:31 <sugardave> an ark-shaped phone, though...that could use a "standard" battery shape
Jul 14 00:01:43 <Anivrom> sugardave: What would you consider standard?
Jul 14 00:02:02 <sugardave> flat-ish and squar-ish
Jul 14 00:02:03 <Anivrom> a halfmooon shaped battery wouldn't be very efficient.
Jul 14 00:02:05 <Anivrom> ah
Jul 14 00:02:17 <sugardave> you know, it would fit in the base of the ark
Jul 14 00:02:21 <sugardave> like a commandment
Jul 14 00:02:26 <Anivrom> rgr
Jul 14 00:02:29 <torchie> cdm: my hopes! my dreams!
Jul 14 00:02:35 <Anivrom> Would be an ugly phone though
Jul 14 00:02:37 <BigBiff> or a pair of monkeys
Jul 14 00:02:38 <torchie> display manufacturing :(
Jul 14 00:02:43 <BigBiff> 2 by 2
Jul 14 00:02:48 <sugardave> right
Jul 14 00:03:16 <BigBiff> cylindrical
Jul 14 00:03:40 <Anivrom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9R-2X9Bl5w
Jul 14 00:05:18 <cdm> torchie: That's always the trouble with getting up with stuff from the labs in a public forum.
Jul 14 00:05:47 <cdm> Look for the first mention of OLED on slashdot/engadget and then look at the first phones to use it (NexusOne/Droid).
Jul 14 00:05:57 <cdm> big delta in time
Jul 14 00:08:22 <torchie> how's the sunlight visibility of it, that's what I'm worried about
Jul 14 00:12:01 <elyon> Does anyone know how payments work, for sold apps?
Jul 14 00:12:41 <elyon> I recall hearing that you can be paid every six months, or at $600, but I'm not sure how that factors into global sales, or if that happens automatically, or by request ...
Jul 14 00:16:18 <sugardave> elyon: net-60 on settled downloads as long as you have $100.  otherwise, at 6 months you get paid
Jul 14 00:25:09 <elyon> Thanks :)
Jul 14 00:39:20 <BigBiff> event 330
Jul 14 00:39:27 <BigBiff> sounds neat
Jul 14 00:42:12 <BigBiff> cool, 470
Jul 14 00:51:21 <BigBiff> heh, irc is funny. there can be 400 people on a channel and it's totally silent for hours
Jul 14 00:52:23 <BigBiff> I guess cause they're all like me and just sit in there idle for no reason
Jul 14 00:52:39 <marfpilf> hehe
Jul 14 00:53:01 <marfpilf> I'm just hoping someone blurts out the solution to my problem with KeyBoss ;)
Jul 14 00:53:51 * haeffb would settle for any shape, so long as it's a new webos device...
Jul 14 00:58:03 <sugardave> trying to figure out why min-height on a palm row seems to behave as a maximum
Jul 14 01:02:09 <sugardave> ah, bad attributes
Jul 14 01:31:28 <LoneStar99> hello all
Jul 14 01:31:50 <Anivrom> LoneStar99: velcome velcome
Jul 14 01:32:05 <LoneStar99> hallo Anivrom
Jul 14 01:34:45 <EmmettLollis> nice, i got a "horrible" review since my app doesn't have a feature thats not listed
Jul 14 01:37:55 <LoneStar99> EmmettLollis:  It happened to me also
Jul 14 01:38:36 <EmmettLollis> wonder if its other developes
Jul 14 01:38:39 <EmmettLollis> developers
Jul 14 01:38:46 <LoneStar99> a $1.99 review cost me thousands...
Jul 14 01:39:09 <LoneStar99> well atleast 1k
Jul 14 01:39:44 <LoneStar99> EmmettLollis: kinda sucks about that type of review "this app should have this and that"
Jul 14 01:40:07 <EmmettLollis> if i said "this app does X" and it didn't do X i could understand it
Jul 14 01:42:06 <LoneStar99> yeah totally
Jul 14 01:42:27 <EmmettLollis> i wonder how the review went through, i can't review anything
Jul 14 01:42:31 <LoneStar99> i hear you - gave up on my app after it never recovered
Jul 14 01:43:29 <EmmettLollis> someone gave it 4 stars and this @#$ gave it 0
Jul 14 01:44:11 <EmmettLollis> and they don't give us a way to respond
Jul 14 01:44:42 <LoneStar99> yeah sucks =(
Jul 14 01:47:43 <Anivrom> Guess trying to minimize 'fluff' and let users see more reviews faster
Jul 14 01:48:14 <EmmettLollis> it hasn't let me review anything for over a week
Jul 14 01:50:36 <torchie> this music player would be more awesome if it was an app store
Jul 14 02:07:07 <marfpilf> anyone run KeyBoss?
Jul 14 02:21:10 <rwhitby> marfpilf: egaudet is in #webos-internals
Jul 14 02:21:50 <dirs> hi, i'm heaving problems to upload a file, server expect every post param as a new chunk of data (multipart/form-data) but i think that webos isn't sending that way
Jul 14 02:22:08 <dirs> someone know how can I do that?
Jul 14 02:23:13 <Anivrom> mojo handles parsing of cookie data correct? all you have to do is say is this.cookie.put(name: this.Status.name);?
Jul 14 02:23:59 <marfpilf> thanks rwhitby
Jul 14 02:27:38 <LoneStar99> has anyone uploaded images from a device to a server (cloud)?
Jul 14 02:28:46 <EmmettLollis> i've put cookies by filling an object and placing/reading the object Anivrom
Jul 14 02:31:28 <Anivrom> so my sample code should work. I don't need to deal with parsing strings on read or write?
Jul 14 02:32:29 <EmmettLollis> i've done it as obj.name = "blah" cookie.put(obj)
Jul 14 02:32:42 <EmmettLollis> haven't tried it your way yet
Jul 14 02:33:14 <Anivrom> My way is according to a snippet on the web
Jul 14 02:33:25 <EmmettLollis> should work then
Jul 14 02:39:02 <tibfib> Okay, just semi-installed linux... what's the best IRC client?
Jul 14 02:39:07 <tibfib> (ubuntu)
Jul 14 02:40:02 <zsoc> tibfib: xchat imo, some prefer konversation but you'd have to download most of kde
Jul 14 02:40:19 <tibfib> alrighty, downloading xchat
Jul 14 02:40:48 <tibfib> thanks
Jul 14 02:40:48 <zsoc> sudo apt-get install ftw
Jul 14 02:45:00 <Anivrom> Hmmm so in order to have custom dialogs I need to create a new scene and then use that scene's name as the template?
Jul 14 02:45:13 <Anivrom> var helloDialog = this.controller.showDialog({
Jul 14 02:45:14 <Anivrom> template : "hello-dialog", assistant : new HelloAssistant(this),
Jul 14 02:45:14 <Anivrom> pre
Jul 14 02:45:23 <Anivrom> var helloDialog = this.controller.showDialog({
Jul 14 02:45:23 <Anivrom> template : "hello-dialog", assistant : new HelloAssistant(this),
Jul 14 02:45:23 <Anivrom> preventCancel : true
Jul 14 02:45:23 <Anivrom> });
Jul 14 02:45:28 <Anivrom> sorry for paste :/
Jul 14 02:45:45 <Anivrom> I need to setup a scene called hello correct?
Jul 14 02:46:41 <EmmettLollis> havent tried dialogs yet
Jul 14 02:46:58 <Tibfib> Hmmm, I'm digging ubuntu
Jul 14 02:47:37 <Anivrom> I ran linux years ago prolly when I was 13 or so, it was ok but too technical for me to appreciate back then.
Jul 14 02:48:05 <Tibfib> Something I'm already missing is aero snap
Jul 14 02:48:08 <Anivrom> Went through so many versions. Knoppix was cool.
Jul 14 02:49:32 <EmmettLollis> yay a good review
Jul 14 02:50:54 <EmmettLollis> lets say you have a free app with a sql database and a paid version.. is it possible to read in the database from the free version into the paid version?
Jul 14 02:51:20 <Anivrom> Doubt it. Apps are jailed into their apps directory I think
Jul 14 02:51:32 <Anivrom> based on ID
Jul 14 02:51:39 <Anivrom> from what I understand anyways
Jul 14 02:51:48 <EmmettLollis> yeah thats what i was thinking
Jul 14 02:51:56 <EmmettLollis> it prepends the app id or something
Jul 14 02:54:58 <discombobulate> hrm
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