**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 16 02:59:56 2010 Jul 16 03:06:24 well Jul 16 03:06:28 it's happened Jul 16 03:06:30 I've got nodejs Jul 16 03:06:40 and i've started work Jul 16 03:07:02 work on what? Jul 16 03:07:06 -ing on it Jul 16 03:07:15 nodejs as a websocket handler Jul 16 03:07:22 for html5 websockets Jul 16 03:07:42 it's a series of tubes, you see Jul 16 03:07:59 just don't hold it in your left hand Jul 16 03:08:05 or you won't be able to get any calls Jul 16 03:08:14 ah Jul 16 03:08:22 lol Jul 16 03:08:42 no no no you see Jul 16 03:08:44 it's okay Jul 16 03:08:49 we didn't fix the problem Jul 16 03:08:53 can't wait to hear the bs they spew tomorrow Jul 16 03:09:03 but we fixed deceptive signal displays that have been implemented on the iPhone since day 1 Jul 16 03:09:12 so now you really see what AT&T's network look slike Jul 16 03:09:31 seriously if anyone from palm is here Jul 16 03:09:42 I'm ready to be let into the loop on the new APIs Jul 16 03:09:45 so I can get started today Jul 16 03:09:54 and I'm talking, webOS 2.0 here! Jul 16 03:10:04 good luck bro Jul 16 03:10:16 wow. what are you on? random ramblings Jul 16 03:10:19 thanks, I figure someone has to ask! Jul 16 03:10:19 (they'll DEFINITELY let you in on the loop... because... you're YOU) :) Jul 16 03:10:21 yes Jul 16 03:10:21 about the future Jul 16 03:10:27 the future is power Jul 16 03:10:30 knowledge is power Jul 16 03:10:53 uh oh... someone found the sugar bowl :P Jul 16 03:11:00 lol I'm just givin you a hard time... please don't take me at all seriously Jul 16 03:11:05 I'm sitting in an 85 degree room the size of a closet, doing work Jul 16 03:11:12 you must understand the level of insanity I face right now Jul 16 03:11:16 lol I know how that is... it sucks Jul 16 03:13:36 * Tibfib bets apple will announce white iphone or new iPod touch and leave it at that Jul 16 03:13:55 divert and deflect Jul 16 03:14:09 woops, missed the apple discussion a little Jul 16 03:14:54 stinkin cdma tethering Jul 16 03:16:34 no no no Jul 16 03:16:49 apple is moving into a line of kitchen appliances Jul 16 03:17:02 iWave, revolutionizing the microwave all over again Jul 16 03:17:18 iToast, a toaster, but now with my GBs Jul 16 03:17:18 yeah? i want one! Jul 16 03:17:33 iStove, so hot, it will burn you Jul 16 03:17:36 youtube madtv irack Jul 16 03:17:45 the irack was pretty good Jul 16 03:17:51 it looked pretty stable to me though Jul 16 03:17:55 for sure Jul 16 03:17:58 i dunno why they were complaining Jul 16 03:18:10 it was pretty instable Jul 16 03:18:21 thats ok, just throw more money into it Jul 16 03:18:24 "you know we don't have an exit plan" Jul 16 03:18:25 well you just couldn't overload it Jul 16 03:18:40 "There IS no exit strategy" Jul 16 03:19:04 thanks for the correction :D Jul 16 03:20:23 I live to serve Jul 16 03:20:43 so yeah Jul 16 03:20:54 I have mobile dropbox access, supposedly outside the sandbox Jul 16 03:21:04 but dropboxes documentation just confuses me Jul 16 03:21:09 I've asked other to look at it Jul 16 03:21:14 it's really terribly documented Jul 16 03:21:26 no one has yet to figure out the correct workflow for mobile Jul 16 03:21:36 I'm talking about the auth workflow Jul 16 03:21:38 so if anyone knows Jul 16 03:21:49 there might be some *money* in it for you Jul 16 03:22:10 or maybe, maybe a *cookie*? Jul 16 03:23:29 there's terrible documentation all over webos. Jul 16 03:24:31 rofl Jul 16 03:24:34 madtv ftw Jul 16 03:25:53 well this may be true Jul 16 03:26:01 but I could figure that out Jul 16 03:26:05 ugh why wouldn't they make the pixi screen the same FREAKIN SIZE Jul 16 03:26:14 Anivrom Jul 16 03:26:17 they didn't make it that size Jul 16 03:26:29 so that on Thursday July 15, 2010, you could ask that question Jul 16 03:26:41 gay Jul 16 03:26:59 sexual preferences? Jul 16 03:27:02 how did we get there? Jul 16 03:28:05 oh my god Jul 16 03:28:06 yeah Jul 16 03:28:09 religion? Jul 16 03:28:12 how did we get there? Jul 16 03:28:17 I brought us there Jul 16 03:28:19 jesus christ Jul 16 03:28:22 I have to go Jul 16 03:28:24 either a skunk shot Jul 16 03:28:27 or something is burning Jul 16 03:28:33 skunk is burning Jul 16 03:30:37 I can never -ever- get anything to show up in a List in Ares Jul 16 03:30:55 is it a dynamic list or static? Jul 16 03:31:23 dynamic list items or static? Jul 16 03:31:33 neither ones will work Jul 16 03:31:37 ...... Jul 16 03:31:57 Are the list items going to change or stay the same for eternity? Jul 16 03:32:04 They will change. Jul 16 03:32:14 but I've been testing via static Jul 16 03:32:51 So I've got a array with some json Jul 16 03:32:58 good Jul 16 03:36:07 Is there an easy way to display the sample data which Ares supplies? Jul 16 03:37:13 Yea items property in the property view of widget Jul 16 03:37:18 click the json button Jul 16 03:37:24 acidhax: see above Jul 16 03:38:33 Yeah, that only displays in the browser, but once its run live -- it's blank Jul 16 03:39:45 ah Jul 16 03:54:10 oh thank god, found a site explaining it Jul 16 03:54:37 linky? Jul 16 03:54:50 http://www.chinchillatech.com/tutorials/webos-ares-tutorial-setting-up-a-basic-list/ Jul 16 03:55:41 anyhow, i gotta get to bed Jul 16 03:55:51 gnight Jul 16 03:55:52 Hey all Jul 16 03:56:02 hello Jul 16 03:56:03 Sup? Jul 16 03:59:52 who is webos-info? Jul 16 04:00:22 my bot still? Jul 16 04:01:20 yes Jul 16 04:04:46 back with hanging out with the ex Jul 16 04:06:46 doh Jul 16 04:09:50 http://www.arewefastyet.com/ Jul 16 04:10:18 I really hope that moz's new js engine knocks it out of the park Jul 16 04:15:13 * Tibfib prefers chrome Jul 16 04:15:26 ew Jul 16 04:15:38 I support google in most things, chrome isnt one of them Jul 16 04:16:02 * kesne uses safari Jul 16 04:17:54 It looks like I can't do this in my list template {details[0].title}. How do I access title when it's an object in an array? Jul 16 04:26:24 woo safari Jul 16 04:26:38 I'm trying Stainless right now Jul 16 04:26:49 and they derped the window management :( Jul 16 04:30:36 i love opera Jul 16 04:31:01 <3 anything WebKit powered Jul 16 04:31:15 lies Jul 16 04:31:23 opera is the most brilliant browser ever made, but people just deny it Jul 16 04:32:20 Opera is cool. Jul 16 04:32:50 weeeee Jul 16 04:33:34 i use irc from opera, and always have Jul 16 04:34:09 LoneStar99: someday I may have to install opera Jul 16 04:34:27 Tibfib: it is magic Jul 16 04:36:12 just wanted to see if it worked Jul 16 04:37:25 it works better than any other browserr Jul 16 04:39:12 from what I understand opera is faster than any other browser Jul 16 04:45:33 guys Jul 16 04:45:40 you aren't being very irrational Jul 16 04:45:56 which is great... that means you're all very rational Jul 16 04:46:17 webkit is the best, in all respects, and V8 is the best javascript engine, and I know this *SOLELY* because webOS uses them Jul 16 04:46:27 I heart v8 Jul 16 04:46:32 since it be what node uses Jul 16 04:46:35 where is the irrational brand support of the company we prop up Jul 16 04:46:41 ? Jul 16 04:46:44 where I ask you? Jul 16 04:47:40 wtf how can a simple google search of "tripevski" not come up with ANY results... Jul 16 04:48:27 have seen a thing or two in life Jul 16 04:49:26 I don't really don't understand your question, alexfner Jul 16 04:49:48 haha the double negative says I do understand your question... but rest assured that I do not Jul 16 04:49:51 honestly... this is unprecedented.. google not returning results. Jul 16 04:50:34 The worlds gonna collapse soon I'm sure of it. Laws of physics breaking down... gooogle.........nooooo Jul 16 04:58:42 hrm Jul 16 04:58:58 baskin robbins dropping 5 flavors Jul 16 04:59:17 sign of the world ending soon Jul 16 05:01:59 Hey all Jul 16 05:04:24 Is CTLAdvance here? Jul 16 05:08:39 physics? Jul 16 05:08:40 dead Jul 16 05:10:33 http://keen-studios.net/ Jul 16 05:14:05 Hmm any reason why I can't assign a hex colour to a variable and use it later as a colour value? Jul 16 05:14:21 Anivrom_: I don't see why not Jul 16 05:14:31 Are you having issues with it? Jul 16 05:14:43 yes., Jul 16 05:16:01 oh, you can't do that in Ares Jul 16 05:16:07 ......... Jul 16 05:16:09 j/l Jul 16 05:16:09 hardy hard Jul 16 05:16:11 har*( Jul 16 05:16:11 k, too Jul 16 05:18:37 nope aint workin Jul 16 05:19:04 where is the var and how are you trying to use it? Jul 16 05:19:31 this.frameStatus.happinessCol = "green"; Jul 16 05:19:41 this.ctx.fillStyle = this.enviroment.bondCol; Jul 16 05:19:51 this.ctx.fillStyle = this.enviroment.happinessCol; Jul 16 05:20:00 oops Jul 16 05:20:03 ooops Jul 16 05:20:05 Lawls. Teamwork Jul 16 05:20:08 clap clap clap Jul 16 05:21:29 webos-info: clap! Jul 16 05:21:30 Well gosh, I dunno... Jul 16 05:22:06 webos-info: clap! Jul 16 05:22:07 Well gosh, I dunno... Jul 16 05:22:11 webos-info: clap Jul 16 05:22:12 * webos-info clap clap clap! WOO! \o/ Jul 16 05:22:26 There we go Jul 16 05:22:30 just for you Anivrom_ Jul 16 05:22:35 what's up room? Jul 16 05:22:43 lol Jul 16 05:22:43 no much dex_pre Jul 16 05:22:48 hey dex Jul 16 05:22:51 cool cool kesne Jul 16 05:22:58 hey Jul 16 05:22:59 aww, oil left Jul 16 05:23:13 he went back to the gulf Jul 16 05:23:16 Haha Jul 16 05:23:25 You never fail to dissapoint me, halfhalo Jul 16 05:25:21 damn straight hippie Jul 16 05:25:25 i has vps makes me happy Jul 16 05:25:29 Until next time, hahaha! Jul 16 05:25:38 20 a month for 512mb ram, 16GB space Jul 16 05:25:57 cool Jul 16 05:26:01 Where'd you buy it? Jul 16 05:26:10 linode Jul 16 05:26:23 its sitting emtpy though, until i move my slicehost one Jul 16 05:26:42 i prefer slicehost tho Jul 16 05:27:29 Oh? Jul 16 05:27:33 slicehost is better? Jul 16 05:27:36 yeah Jul 16 05:27:47 lesser specs, but better overall setup Jul 16 05:28:04 and linode just recently bumped their specs, so slicehost should do the same soon as well Jul 16 05:28:30 I like x10 Jul 16 05:28:30 http://x10vps.com/ Jul 16 05:29:20 eh, not enough cpu for me Jul 16 05:30:07 Why not? Jul 16 05:30:14 your site getting tons and tons of hits? Jul 16 05:30:26 not so much php as node Jul 16 05:30:41 and php + apache will eat up that ram with persistent connections Jul 16 05:31:15 thats why I have nginx +php5-fcgi setup Jul 16 05:31:23 scales really well Jul 16 05:31:24 * oil didn't leave, thats what i do when i get home xD Jul 16 05:31:35 GO BACK TO THE GULF Jul 16 05:31:40 :p Jul 16 05:32:02 heh Jul 16 05:32:34 Thoughts on cloud hosting? Jul 16 05:33:14 eh, not needed unless your site is only used for brief periods or random loads a month Jul 16 05:33:22 ie idle for a long time then crazy hits Jul 16 05:33:31 Yeah Jul 16 05:33:39 you should look into node.js for you site though Jul 16 05:33:40 Keen Studios online really strains the database Jul 16 05:33:48 esp websockets Jul 16 05:33:54 good evening folks Jul 16 05:34:06 what the hell is it? Jul 16 05:34:10 what db are you using? Jul 16 05:34:35 mySQL Jul 16 05:34:43 how big is the db? Jul 16 05:34:49 let me check Jul 16 05:35:06 because it sounds like your having opt issues Jul 16 05:35:14 The game database is 12.88MB Jul 16 05:35:27 and its hurting for perf? Jul 16 05:35:28 The user database is.... Jul 16 05:35:51 Well, let me refrase, the amount of requests really hurts the server in general Jul 16 05:36:23 apache +php, right? Jul 16 05:37:09 Like I know Jul 16 05:37:16 I write apps, I don't deal with this Jul 16 05:37:25 and thats your problem! Jul 16 05:37:36 No, it isn't Jul 16 05:37:47 Some other guy does all my database and hosting stuff Jul 16 05:37:53 I just write the website and code Jul 16 05:38:03 That is still something that you need to consider when developing an application... Jul 16 05:38:06 you got hosting issues Jul 16 05:38:17 Lies Jul 16 05:38:24 your face has hosting issues Jul 16 05:38:44 my face has a vm on a grid cluster Jul 16 05:38:49 guys Jul 16 05:38:51 just get nodejs Jul 16 05:38:59 end of story Jul 16 05:39:01 your mom gets it Jul 16 05:39:09 yay! someone else who likes it! Jul 16 05:39:14 that doesn't make any sense Jul 16 05:39:20 imma download it soon Jul 16 05:39:26 I've been reading the docs for about an hour, just put it on a server Jul 16 05:39:33 and I am falling in love Jul 16 05:39:34 its amazing Jul 16 05:39:40 i know, right? Jul 16 05:39:41 can you link me guys Jul 16 05:39:45 right right right Jul 16 05:39:47 nodejs.org Jul 16 05:39:54 a commit earlier today in git screwed me Jul 16 05:40:03 broke it for most linux systems Jul 16 05:40:10 really? Jul 16 05:40:13 I'm not going to do it Jul 16 05:40:14 lol Jul 16 05:40:14 yeah Jul 16 05:40:15 I got it from git Jul 16 05:40:17 today Jul 16 05:40:19 because I don't run the backend Jul 16 05:40:23 :D Jul 16 05:40:29 around 3 hours ago... Jul 16 05:40:43 was looking at amazon ec2 but that stuff seems to be expensif Jul 16 05:40:50 went with a VPH Jul 16 05:40:55 kense, it would make it so you could have 100k people on it at one time Jul 16 05:41:09 slicehost is good for node Jul 16 05:41:19 Also, to answer your earlier questions, the user database is about 27mb, and the backup database has 25mb Jul 16 05:41:31 halfhalo: I wouldn't know where to start with installing/etc it Jul 16 05:41:34 then you are having db issues if its taking time Jul 16 05:41:38 went with linode Jul 16 05:41:54 if it gets to be too big for linode, at that point I think I'd be happy to have the problem Jul 16 05:41:56 but installed over ssh Jul 16 05:41:59 yeah, linode is nice Jul 16 05:41:59 and everything worked fine Jul 16 05:42:09 halfhalo: It works fine 90% of the time Jul 16 05:42:14 well, they started fixing it earlier Jul 16 05:42:27 The other times, it's my host just shitting on me Jul 16 05:42:39 never had that happen Jul 16 05:42:43 Cool Jul 16 05:43:03 * pandora-- is also with linode Jul 16 05:43:03 im on slicehost month to month for a month until I can move all my sites to a linode Jul 16 05:43:43 I'm on month to month with linode Jul 16 05:43:49 and let me tell you Jul 16 05:43:53 linode is month to month Jul 16 05:43:59 amirite? -_- Jul 16 05:44:00 lol Jul 16 05:44:06 i'm happy with linode so far Jul 16 05:44:16 slicehost has never gone down for me with my long lasting slice and my brand new one Jul 16 05:44:43 oh it wasn't anything to do with linode service Jul 16 05:44:50 linode works great in the 3 hours I've used it Jul 16 05:44:55 I was making a joke, somewhere in there Jul 16 05:44:59 look, it's late okay! Jul 16 05:45:01 lol Jul 16 05:46:07 would you happen to know what policy_file is in node? It's a string being applied to a net connection Jul 16 05:46:12 at some point Jul 16 05:46:19 ? Jul 16 05:46:23 the string looks kind of xmly Jul 16 05:46:25 what type of net? Jul 16 05:46:31 and link? Jul 16 05:46:33 Jul 16 05:46:57 i'm thinking of playing around with the PDK.. any good resources? Jul 16 05:47:11 ah Jul 16 05:47:13 EmmettLollis: developer.palm.com Jul 16 05:47:49 what is this node.js crap Jul 16 05:47:52 I just looked it up Jul 16 05:47:56 How would this help? Jul 16 05:48:01 It's the future Jul 16 05:48:08 i say ignore it Jul 16 05:48:11 pretty soon everything will be run by node.js Jul 16 05:48:15 Hah Jul 16 05:48:20 How would this help me? Jul 16 05:48:29 it'l probly be gone within a day Jul 16 05:48:31 it will become sentient in 2012 Jul 16 05:48:34 Even our cells will use it for client/server handoffs to the brain. Jul 16 05:48:42 lol Jul 16 05:48:48 you seen mah irc module? Jul 16 05:48:55 trillions of instances of node.js Jul 16 05:49:13 we didn't see it coming Jul 16 05:49:18 oh, yeah, fixed the issue I had in a commit 5 hours ago Jul 16 05:49:36 http://github.com/halfhalo/Node.js-IRC Jul 16 05:49:53 pulled that yesterday :P Jul 16 05:49:57 lol Jul 16 05:50:06 gotta finish my stack class Jul 16 05:50:38 irc in the browser? or irc socket for an application? Jul 16 05:50:53 irc connection class, so more the second Jul 16 05:51:08 verd Jul 16 05:51:22 I am hoping the new javascript services in 2.0 will mesh really well with node Jul 16 05:51:30 same Jul 16 05:51:35 thats why i started messing with it Jul 16 05:52:46 ha Jul 16 05:52:47 same Jul 16 05:52:51 we're like brothers! Jul 16 05:52:55 *creepy* Jul 16 05:53:01 Im out folks Jul 16 05:53:07 later Jul 16 05:53:07 good Jul 16 05:53:08 laterzzzzzzzzzzzz Jul 16 05:53:09 zzzz Jul 16 05:53:10 zzz Jul 16 05:53:11 zz Jul 16 05:53:12 z Jul 16 05:53:19 Should I take webos-info out too? Jul 16 05:53:26 yes Jul 16 05:53:30 D: Jul 16 05:53:34 Now I'm keeping him Jul 16 05:53:45 ill get dkirker to kick em Jul 16 05:53:51 LIES Jul 16 05:53:59 speaking of bots has dekan been behaving tonight? Jul 16 05:54:14 NO! Jul 16 05:54:23 He stole webos-info's botsnack Jul 16 05:54:23 no one asked YOU kesne, you got bot envey Jul 16 05:54:30 webos-info: botsnack Jul 16 05:54:30 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 16 05:54:31 OMNOMNOM. GOT DAT RITE DEKAN, IT'S MINE! Jul 16 05:54:49 dekan shut up Jul 16 05:54:58 webos-info: shut up Jul 16 05:54:59 DERP! Jul 16 05:55:05 Hah! Jul 16 05:55:05 hey you dont have to be mean to dekan, he is a good bot he only talks when talked to Jul 16 05:55:19 digitalpowers: Actually, no Jul 16 05:55:28 webos-info: on the other hand, yes Jul 16 05:55:28 DERP! Jul 16 05:55:41 Er, comma there Jul 16 05:55:45 Not : Jul 16 05:55:52 watch Jul 16 05:55:54 botsnack Jul 16 05:55:54 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 16 05:55:56 dkirker: Jul 16 05:55:58 er Jul 16 05:55:59 dkirker Jul 16 05:55:59 Dirka Dirka! Jul 16 05:56:02 see! Jul 16 05:56:09 haha :P Jul 16 05:56:18 you were speakign to him, you just didnt address him Jul 16 05:56:21 webos-info is a behaved bot Jul 16 05:56:24 he is just that smart Jul 16 05:56:35 webos-info: hello Jul 16 05:56:35 Oh hullo thur! Jul 16 05:56:44 see, he only talks when spoken to Jul 16 05:56:48 Night all Jul 16 05:56:53 gnight Jul 16 05:57:05 webos-info: lies Jul 16 05:57:06 DERP! Jul 16 05:57:13 webos-info: he is a real boy Jul 16 05:57:14 Roger Jul 16 05:57:28 webos-info: leave Jul 16 05:57:28 DERP! Jul 16 05:57:41 webos-info: die Jul 16 05:57:41 DERP! Jul 16 05:57:44 was callled a pathetic man Jul 16 05:57:48 webos-info: leave #webos Jul 16 05:57:48 Well gosh, I dunno... Jul 16 05:57:53 webos-info: die Jul 16 05:57:54 Well gosh, I dunno... Jul 16 05:58:00 hi LoneStar99 Jul 16 05:58:03 sigh Jul 16 05:58:15 dekan is the only bot we should have Jul 16 05:58:18 scoobysnack Jul 16 05:58:18 Scoobydoobeedoo! Jul 16 05:58:26 lol Jul 16 05:58:32 do not like to be called names Jul 16 05:59:10 hmmm Jul 16 05:59:13 decision Jul 16 05:59:26 be smart and not be in root group or be lazy and be in root group Jul 16 05:59:40 as i am reading through docs i often wish i had a jack in the back of my head the info could be downloaded through, is that odd? Jul 16 05:59:41 trying to build a great system Jul 16 06:00:31 kesne called me a pathetic man Jul 16 06:00:34 i vote option 2 Jul 16 06:00:36 dekan: sleep Jul 16 06:00:36 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Jul 16 06:00:56 dekan: sleep is ZZZZZZZZZZZZ Jul 16 06:00:56 Okay, Tibfib. Jul 16 06:01:54 what irc client do those of you who use windows use? Jul 16 06:02:03 trillian Jul 16 06:02:09 mIRC Jul 16 06:02:11 built a system in 2007 Jul 16 06:02:29 mIRC until the demo runs out :P Jul 16 06:02:43 teh demo never expires Jul 16 06:02:47 the system is being built Jul 16 06:02:48 oh schveet Jul 16 06:02:50 I'm on 100+ days Jul 16 06:03:26 im on… 0 Jul 16 06:03:28 It just kind of recommends buying it and takes a while to load Jul 16 06:03:29 ish Jul 16 06:03:35 dekan: shut up Jul 16 06:03:35 Okay, dkirker - be back in a bit! Jul 16 06:03:40 will not allow a dude like kesne tell me I am a has been Jul 16 06:03:47 kick both bots Jul 16 06:03:54 no, just webos-info Jul 16 06:04:25 man... whoever thought that Ares was a good idea should be dragged into the street and shot Jul 16 06:04:28 it makes me sad Jul 16 06:04:51 back to cooking my Mac & Cheese Jul 16 06:04:52 appamajig: some people like it Jul 16 06:04:53 yeah ares is a dirty red headed step child Jul 16 06:05:14 Ares are teh sex Jul 16 06:05:17 Just needs docs Jul 16 06:05:20 hardcore Jul 16 06:05:24 I know... but the text editor in it is so very frustratingly laggy, and unintuitive Jul 16 06:05:33 meh I don't mind Jul 16 06:05:37 Sometimes it gets laggy though Jul 16 06:05:52 You can download your project to desktop and code in a native IDE you know. Jul 16 06:05:57 Then just reupload the files again Jul 16 06:06:14 the whole experience with using Ares that I've had so far, has been an unhappy one Jul 16 06:06:17 Anivrom_: does it work right? Jul 16 06:06:25 reupload every time I want to test it? naah Jul 16 06:06:28 Like does the preview screen look right or whatever? Jul 16 06:06:34 yeah, it actually does Jul 16 06:06:37 Yea. Jul 16 06:06:42 The graphical part is great Jul 16 06:06:46 (after you reupload it...........) Jul 16 06:06:48 DRag and drop widgets Jul 16 06:06:50 Any idea how to work around this - http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/226406-list-item-template-variables.html Jul 16 06:06:50 oh. Jul 16 06:06:53 they did a really good job with a lot of it... but it feels so shabby Jul 16 06:06:57 Havent tried. Just stating the theory Jul 16 06:07:09 Anivrom_: heh, I've experimented with Ares Jul 16 06:07:10 I dare not try Jul 16 06:09:11 the concept is good... and the implementation actually is pretty good too... but when I'm typing in code, I feel like I've been left in the woods and the birds ate my breadcrumb trail back home... Jul 16 06:09:56 I wonder if there's much of a performance hit with Ares Jul 16 06:12:59 anyone? Jul 16 06:13:10 ? Jul 16 06:13:28 dohtem: ? huh Jul 16 06:13:42 appamajig: i dont think there is a proformance hit, i think you just have less control over the interface in the end Jul 16 06:14:13 one of the dev videos talks about the performance of ares.js as apposed to mojo.js Jul 16 06:14:25 I can't remember what they said about it though Jul 16 06:14:39 Anivrom_: trying to find a solution to this - http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/226406-list-item-template-variables.html Jul 16 06:15:15 hmmm... I don't see having toooo much less control... seems like you can do whatever you want with it, but it hides a lot of the code... Jul 16 06:16:09 It's all about documentation. It does everything straight mojo does but we don't know how to access all the features cause they havent documented it. Jul 16 06:16:20 if it is hiding code then that is code you cant modify, thereby gving you less control, it might be something you never desire to change in which case it is a good lessining of control Jul 16 06:16:24 And they changed it around so some things dont work like they do in mojo Jul 16 06:17:09 Changing syntax without telling programmers what the new syntax is = very bad Jul 16 06:17:28 digitalpowers: what if they have allowed you to change every possible object for property and models in the interface, in nice menus and drop-down boxes, and then they wrap it all in code that you don't see, and the widget is just setup for you? Jul 16 06:17:35 dohtem: rofl he says he fixed it but doesn't say why. Hate it when ppl do that Jul 16 06:17:51 i know Jul 16 06:17:57 ditialpowers: in that situation, you haven't lost any real control, they just dumbed it down for you Jul 16 06:19:22 YOU have not lost any real control, but that is not to say control wasnt lost, I might want whatever was lost. My only point was that if you arnt worried about it then it shouldnt worry you. I chose not to use it because I am OCD about knowing what is going on in my code. Jul 16 06:20:29 sorry missed your other comment, if they managed to extend everything in a nice wrapped way i suppose you havent lost anything but if it were possible i think you would end with what you started with Jul 16 06:21:15 digitalpowers: what do you mean, 'whatever was lost'??? nothign was lost... you have the same control as when you type in a setupwidget line... but you don't have to type it in, you just select the parameters in menus and stuff... no loss of control, only loss of the need to memorize all of the properties of the attribute and model objects that apply to each widget... I don' Jul 16 06:21:20 t see a loss of control Jul 16 06:22:19 appamajig: and if the tool was written well enough you are probably right, i just doubt it would be. dont mind me much i am old school i still think c is the best language :S Jul 16 06:22:49 dohtem: as far as finding a solution to having an array in a list object that will be shown in a list...? when you setup the list, you need to have a loop, that creates a specific parameter for each of the items in the array... give me an example of the problem that you're having... Jul 16 06:23:23 I thought of that but I was hoping I wouldnt have to do that Jul 16 06:23:25 parameter=object (ie item.myArr[0] become item.myArr0 instead) Jul 16 06:23:51 oh wait. Jul 16 06:24:15 ... so in the item template, you can't use #{myArr[0]}? Jul 16 06:26:08 digitalpowers: I don't like Ares, I prefer to type everything in myself... I'm helping someone else with an Ares problem... and Ares is driving me nuts :P so I completely understand why you want to type everything in... but Ares is a very well designed and thorough (other than documentation) IDE for creating webOS apps... it seems to not have any styling or control limitations... that I can see so far Jul 16 06:26:34 digitalpowers: and yeah... C is awesome :) Jul 16 06:26:37 webos-info: clap Jul 16 06:26:38 * webos-info clap clap clap! WOO! \o/ Jul 16 06:30:05 yay... my summer class is over :) I have a month and a half of concentrating on wrapping up my app :) Jul 16 06:30:21 nice Jul 16 06:30:37 i think i am go to bed, you folks have a good evening Jul 16 06:31:45 appamajig: are you suggesting that when I get my results in a JSON object, as I loop through each result to push them on my Model and grab the array params? Jul 16 06:49:03 dohtem: sry for bein late, I wasn't watchin :P My thought, is, you setup an array object that will be your items array that gets passed during the widget setup, in that loop, you will do something like ** myModel.items['myArr' + index] = myItems.myArr[index]; ** that will create objects named myArr0 through myArr(length of the array) that are in your items... then in the item template you would need to have #{myArr0} and #{myArr1} etc. Jul 16 06:51:01 so... two loops, one that will setup all of the items in myArr, and another to setup all of the myArr##Disp objects that _weren't_ in your array... Jul 16 06:51:23 Good morning Jul 16 06:51:26 it's a pain in the arse... I would look for a different way of storing the items to begin with Jul 16 06:51:34 goodmorning Jul 16 06:53:06 it is. Its the response I'm getting from the server and storing in an Ajax.Response.responseJSON object Jul 16 06:54:00 I'm not all that familiar with Ajax... can you paste one of the JSON objects so I can see what you're working with? Jul 16 06:54:24 (not the whole JSON object, just one of the entries) Jul 16 06:54:58 sure Jul 16 06:55:14 one min Jul 16 06:55:36 ... np... I'm kinda curious what data you're working with... this problem is very interesting to me... Jul 16 09:16:58 anyone have a preference for GIT or SVN? Jul 16 09:17:12 (and would be ok explaining their choice?) Jul 16 09:30:44 I use SVN Jul 16 09:31:59 That's what I ended up going with Jul 16 09:32:09 but I can still change to GIT if I decide to try it Jul 16 09:32:19 I've never used a versioning system like this... jumping in feet firt :P Jul 16 09:33:04 do you happen to use eclipse? if so, do you use a plugin to help manage it? Jul 16 09:35:42 no i dont use eclipse Jul 16 09:35:59 but there should be some good plugins used svn with eclipse 3 years ago Jul 16 09:37:33 cool, thanks for info :) Jul 16 09:41:51 I've a newbie question for you, hotdp... Jul 16 09:42:17 the name of my project is bubbleblaster (also the name of my app)... would I name the repository the same? or would it be something like... I dunno.. beta? Jul 16 09:42:56 Hmm Jul 16 09:43:10 I would :) Jul 16 09:43:20 you would name it something like betA? Jul 16 09:48:00 anyways, you're the shiznit - thanks! Jul 16 09:52:26 in my svn Jul 16 09:52:36 I have Jul 16 09:53:24 If i had a beta version i would create Jul 16 09:53:58 Or if i only had one version at the time i would only use becuase it would not be beta all the time Jul 16 09:54:46 hotdp: um wouldnt beta(tm) just be the trunk at a particular point in time? Jul 16 09:54:56 ie beta = revision foo Jul 16 09:54:57 Yer Jul 16 09:55:11 or a branch Jul 16 09:55:17 * swishy nods Jul 16 09:55:34 what's a trunk/branch? Jul 16 09:55:58 trunk is a version of the program (1.0)? branch is like a subversion (1.2)? Jul 16 09:56:42 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464417/how-to-use-svn-branch-tag-trunk Jul 16 09:56:49 thankyou :) Jul 16 09:57:03 webos-info: clap Jul 16 09:57:04 * webos-info clap clap clap! WOO! \o/ Jul 16 09:59:00 lol Jul 16 09:59:32 but my webos apps are small so i just have a trunk and use that all the time :p but at work we use branches Jul 16 10:00:52 I see, that was a good link Jul 16 11:24:59 showDialog makes the calling scene to scroll upwards is this a bug? Jul 16 11:29:37 showDialog makes the calling scene to scroll upwards is this a bug? Jul 16 12:05:46 once more Jul 16 12:53:03 * haeffb on the road back to Missouri.... Jul 16 12:56:17 On the road again Jul 16 12:56:20 very good song Jul 16 13:53:45 Have a nice weekend! Jul 16 13:58:35 good morning all Jul 16 14:05:28 where is my new webOS device? Jul 16 14:12:12 good morning HattCzech_work Jul 16 14:12:18 good morning everyone Jul 16 14:16:32 good morning dkirker. This is my first post using wIRC, so...contgrats? Jul 16 14:19:40 hola Jul 16 14:21:36 update? Jul 16 14:21:38 refresh? Jul 16 14:23:40 update what? refresh what? Jul 16 14:26:08 torchie: nothing for me :( Jul 16 14:26:18 my phone is still lying to me Jul 16 14:26:35 * torchie cry Jul 16 14:32:32 Kesne is off by two days now Jul 16 14:41:48 kesne is always off :) Jul 16 14:44:37 what's the deal whats the deal Jul 16 14:54:40 torchie looks like were not getting any more updates in the U.S. They are planning a new dice launch :-/ Jul 16 14:56:24 US left out in the cold for PDK apps? wow Jul 16 14:57:18 cool, not like I just got a pre two weeks ago or anything Jul 16 14:57:19 :( Jul 16 14:57:36 I'll just uber hax it on except mine will have blackjack and hookers Jul 16 14:57:51 what about blow? Jul 16 14:57:57 hookers like the blow Jul 16 14:57:59 you know? Jul 16 14:58:01 blow optional Jul 16 14:58:09 because we believe in choice! Jul 16 14:58:16 freedom, openness, integrity etc. Jul 16 14:58:18 liberal Jul 16 14:58:24 run the tape Jul 16 15:05:51 but wait you dont need 1.4.5 for pdk apps Jul 16 15:06:20 oh? I thought we did.... Jul 16 15:06:24 I was joking also before btw Jul 16 15:06:26 no Jul 16 15:06:34 there are plenty of pdk apps already out Jul 16 15:06:44 1.4.1 brought those Jul 16 15:06:59 then what the hell are we seeing people bitch about? Jul 16 15:07:06 1.4.5 brings them to the pixi I thought, and also adds some more support. Jul 16 15:07:11 oh Jul 16 15:07:12 right Jul 16 15:07:12 however we had pdk already Jul 16 15:07:13 Pixi Jul 16 15:07:16 isn't the issue Jul 16 15:07:32 that the PDK apps that were out before 1.4.5 were all exclusive to EA games, glu mobile, gameloft etc Jul 16 15:07:38 imo 1.4.5 is pointless unless you have a pixi Jul 16 15:07:42 The PDK apps that are out now were backported to use the libs shipped with 1.4.1. A PDK app written with the current libraries won't work with 1.4.1. Jul 16 15:07:43 and now is when they're opening it up to the devs? Jul 16 15:07:58 but thats not to say its not pointless, I am sure something good was done, it just not ground breaking Jul 16 15:08:03 I downloaded an app from the beta catalog that probably used PDK and it said it wasn't compatible with my version Jul 16 15:08:15 and apparently the new wIRC is PDK? Jul 16 15:09:18 "Application updates are now available" Jul 16 15:10:58 damn, I don't even have any of those Jul 16 15:11:16 * sugardave is going to watch this javascript game engine video. Jul 16 15:13:43 i apologize for being that dude, that talks shit Jul 16 15:17:30 was that dude taking shit? Jul 16 15:18:34 morning Jul 16 15:19:11 morning maik Jul 16 15:19:35 oi Jul 16 15:21:10 application updates are now available application updates are now available application updates are now available application updates are now available application updates are now available application updates are now available application updates are now available Jul 16 15:21:13 * torchie implodes Jul 16 15:21:25 hah Jul 16 15:21:39 somehow this is now a bad thing Jul 16 15:25:16 "very few JavaScript experts, especially with focus on gaming" Jul 16 15:25:21 hmm Jul 16 15:34:59 485 downloads of emergency lights Jul 16 15:35:00 huzzah Jul 16 15:35:16 though for the past three days counts are at 8/9/8 Jul 16 15:35:25 so it seems to have leveld out Jul 16 15:36:03 leveled* Jul 16 15:44:18 we gotta pump up the javascript developer base Jul 16 15:45:31 anyone recall what the attachment size limit is on gmail? Jul 16 15:45:35 is it 15mb? Jul 16 15:45:43 isn't almost anyone who develops for webos a javascript developer? Jul 16 15:45:50 unless you're strictly using ares Jul 16 15:46:41 maik: well, I guess then I'm an HTML5/CSS web dev, too....nope :P Jul 16 15:47:54 well ya, html/css/javascript. that's what webos development _is_ Jul 16 15:48:00 save for pdk stuff i guess Jul 16 15:48:10 so i should say _was_ Jul 16 15:48:55 I think I've done enough that I don't feel like a huge liar when I say I'm a JS developer :D Jul 16 15:49:04 but not so for HTML/CSS Jul 16 15:49:05 there.. sent off all the documents the bank needed to proceed with the loan.. Jul 16 15:49:07 heh Jul 16 15:49:29 dawm: WOO! Jul 16 15:49:40 what are you trying to get, dawm? Jul 16 15:50:07 a house Jul 16 15:50:57 awesome! good luck Jul 16 15:51:12 we just went through that whole process, closed in early june. Jul 16 15:51:33 house was listed on the 7th, offer accepted on the 10th ;D Jul 16 15:52:12 now im just waiting on the owner to get the city certificate (which involves inspections) Jul 16 15:52:21 it just sucks i keep paying out money Jul 16 15:52:40 EMD, Loan Process fees, My own Inspector .. Jul 16 15:55:16 ya, we've never had to sell as this is our first house. not looking forward to that, certainly Jul 16 15:55:49 oh im not selling, this is my first house Jul 16 15:56:33 oh Jul 16 15:56:41 i cant wait tho, gonna be so much closer to work, 2 garages ;D Jul 16 15:57:03 we didn't have to worry about inspections either, but that's more likely because it was a new development so we got to pick what the developer did and they put all of that crap into the loan Jul 16 15:57:10 sweet! Jul 16 15:57:19 yah this is 67yrs old Jul 16 15:57:35 umm...off topic, sorry. But whenever I check for updates it says I have application updates available. There are no updates available though. Is this because I homebrew? Does everyone who homebrews have this problem? Jul 16 15:57:54 killer, it checks for updates in the app catalog Jul 16 15:57:58 i have that problem Jul 16 15:57:59 homebrew isnt checked Jul 16 15:58:21 sometimes the app catalog doesnt fully update itself Jul 16 15:58:31 butif you go into app cat and click on the shopping bag, you may see updates Jul 16 15:58:43 i had that problem, damn app wouldn't update for nothing.. turned out they changed it from free to pay Jul 16 15:58:51 that too Jul 16 15:59:04 ive got a few 'test' copies of apps that are now paid Jul 16 15:59:14 i'm against that Jul 16 15:59:19 did they still show they needed an update? Jul 16 15:59:24 like on the application line? Jul 16 15:59:34 yeah Jul 16 15:59:43 it doesnt put into account if its paid or free as an update, it just looks at version #s Jul 16 15:59:46 "Update available" "Update failed" Jul 16 15:59:53 yeah in my case webos tells me i have updates but none of them have update available Jul 16 16:00:19 I open my app list in the app catalog multiple times each day to make sure I stay up to date. I thought it was glitched because I have homebrew apps/patches/ect. Jul 16 16:00:33 nah Jul 16 16:00:41 it references the app catalog feed Jul 16 16:00:46 hard to say what causes it Ki11er, although i do have some homebrew as well so who knows Jul 16 16:00:54 since homebrew isnt in that feed it doesnt check it Jul 16 16:01:13 unless you have a homebrew app thats also in the app cat Jul 16 16:01:18 for example destroids Jul 16 16:01:26 its both in homebrew and app cat, with the same name Jul 16 16:01:38 and worse, same app id. Jul 16 16:01:46 thats what i meant by name Jul 16 16:01:50 which Palm specifically told people not to do Jul 16 16:02:13 preware catches an update for it, then app cat does, but so far i havent had any issues Jul 16 16:02:22 i usually update it via preware then via app cat Jul 16 16:02:59 yeah i let preware handle my updates too Jul 16 16:04:56 its drizzling.... Jul 16 16:05:03 it's not too much of a problem, because I update with the app catalog and preware. and since I can still get system updates. I just think it's annoying that whenwver I look for the new update coming, it says I have app updates available. Jul 16 16:05:46 Ki11er: here's a tip. Just subscribe to precentral's RSS feed to save checking regularly for 1.4.5 ;) Jul 16 16:05:47 solution: stop looking for OS updates Jul 16 16:06:38 it was 106F yesterday and now its drizzling... Jul 16 16:06:57 cloud sweat Jul 16 16:07:22 how do I subscribe for RSS feeds? will it check every 5 mins or so? Jul 16 16:07:29 its supposed to be 100F today. I don't like this. IT SHOULD NOT BE DRIZZLING Jul 16 16:09:09 sugardaveis not so sweet :/ Jul 16 16:09:20 the hell.... Jul 16 16:09:28 I'm not an admin on this machine anymore... Jul 16 16:09:31 sugardave is* Jul 16 16:10:06 hey, I"m just trying to save you some headaches :D Jul 16 16:10:41 Ki11er: I think rwhitby meant to subscribe to the RSS in your desktop browser or similar Jul 16 16:11:28 halfhalo_class: h4xd! Jul 16 16:11:54 oh, ok. thanks :). Jul 16 16:14:37 oh,1 more thing. does anyone know where I can get my hands on the F105 Thunderchief kernal? Jul 16 16:15:32 Ki11er: that is better answered in #webos-internals Jul 16 16:15:59 oh, ok. Jul 16 16:16:59 this channel is generally used for Mojo development questions...and Ares and slowly PDK Jul 16 16:17:10 pdk rocks! Jul 16 16:17:20 I wish I knew Jul 16 16:18:05 virtual keyboard is mojo right? Jul 16 16:18:32 nah, that one is a patch, I think Jul 16 16:19:20 hrm Jul 16 16:21:28 mojo is a category in patches. Jul 16 16:23:23 I got to go right now. Nice talking to you. bye. Jul 16 16:26:19 Aves javascript game engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RRnyChxijA looks pretty interesting Jul 16 17:02:12 sugardave: aves? Jul 16 17:03:02 sugardave: if you meant Ares... I missed the part where that javascript game engine had anything to do with Ares or palm pre... :) it did look pretty cool though Jul 16 17:03:18 no, it's called Aves Jul 16 17:03:30 aaah :) I was confused lol Jul 16 17:03:32 I just thought it was badass Jul 16 17:04:31 yeah, that's pretty cool... but was he able to take advantage of hardware? did you he use opengl or direct3d? hmmm... might not be worth it's digital weight if you can't get more than 12 fps Jul 16 17:04:43 *shrug* I like the concept, though Jul 16 17:05:56 he talked about hardware-accelerated CSS, but they only used canvas to calculate transparency maps...he talks about how webGL isn't quite there yet....it's supposed to be for cross-platform desktop and mobile web apps Jul 16 17:07:27 cool! I hope it happens :) Jul 16 17:28:05 Hey all Jul 16 17:28:45 die Jul 16 17:29:00 i mean... what? Jul 16 17:29:30 lol hi kesne Jul 16 17:29:46 tourettes is a serious disease Jul 16 17:30:08 hey appamajig Jul 16 17:30:55 I had family come to visit... it set me back about a week :| Jul 16 17:31:27 haeffb~ Jul 16 17:31:30 Er, ! Jul 16 17:32:14 so node.js....this is something that I could run on my webhost and basically lets me write server-side javascript? Jul 16 17:32:27 node.js is terrible Jul 16 17:32:51 why? Jul 16 17:32:53 sugardave: depends on webhost Jul 16 17:32:57 and ignore kense Jul 16 17:33:12 (maybe it wasn't tourettes) Jul 16 17:33:28 halfhalo_class: I also already have a dedicated port where I have been experimenting with a Java MUD, so I have a good chance that it will run there Jul 16 17:33:42 well, it just depends if you can compile stuff Jul 16 17:33:50 kesne is scared of node.js? Jul 16 17:33:54 I can Jul 16 17:33:55 lol... MUDs ha! I haven't played a mud in like 15 years!... (I swear!) Jul 16 17:34:00 then you should be fine Jul 16 17:34:03 Ignore me Jul 16 17:34:08 we try Jul 16 17:34:31 bumper bumper bumper Jul 16 17:34:40 lol Jul 16 17:35:04 urgh full bars no data Jul 16 17:35:06 well, then, I think we've determined what I will be attempting today, then Jul 16 17:35:07 watadadeala Jul 16 17:35:09 then Jul 16 17:35:10 then Jul 16 17:35:22 if ya need help, just ring Jul 16 17:35:28 cool, thanks Jul 16 17:36:25 hrm Jul 16 17:36:31 I always wanted eclipse to stop at uppercase characters when using ctrl-left or ctrl-right... but now that it does... I'm bugged Jul 16 17:42:55 Today's game of the day: iPhone Bumper Bars. How many different ways can you hold you iPhone to ruin its signal. :P Jul 16 17:43:22 lol Jul 16 17:43:36 I'm so very very glad that this happened to the iPhone :) Jul 16 17:44:00 I've seen it happen to other phones. But it is fun to make fun of the iPhone. Jul 16 17:45:29 well... not just the signal thing... that's pretty normal for any phone (like you said)... but the fact that there has not been an iPhone that correctly displayed the signal... HHAHAHHAHA!!! Jul 16 17:45:33 makes me very very very happy Jul 16 17:45:47 displayed=expressed Jul 16 17:45:54 I tried doing it to my Pre... Jul 16 17:46:12 I haven't tried... were you able to affect your signal? Jul 16 17:48:03 mine didn't change Jul 16 17:48:14 5 bars... hold it however i want... still 5 bars Jul 16 17:48:18 mine either... but I don't have much to begin with in my office... Jul 16 17:48:31 it might have more of an affect if you're actually on a call... Jul 16 17:49:09 I'm also curious how often the display gets updated on the pre... it might only do it every 30 seconds or something when not on a call... to preserve battery... Jul 16 17:49:39 (how often the display gets updated = how often the signal strength display gets updated) Jul 16 17:50:11 I'm in a gooood mood today... no school for a month and a half :) Jul 16 17:50:29 I think that I just did it to my Pixi Jul 16 17:50:37 not the Pre, though Jul 16 17:50:46 you have one of each? Jul 16 17:50:53 it is hard to tell with this Pixi since I am in a weak AT&T area Jul 16 17:50:54 sugardave: ping Jul 16 17:50:57 yes Jul 16 17:51:05 or anyone, really... Jul 16 17:51:14 nice, that's a good setup... I need something like that so I can test my apps on everything... Jul 16 17:51:20 i liked apples solution for the problem Jul 16 17:51:20 present Jul 16 17:51:37 changing the code to now be accurate and not lie to you about your signal strength Jul 16 17:51:40 don't DO that Jul 16 17:51:44 ? you mean? Jul 16 17:51:45 like they've been doing all along Jul 16 17:51:47 free cases == everything better! Jul 16 17:51:47 lol Jul 16 17:52:00 in a SQLite query, how do I select everything EXCEPT one value in a column Jul 16 17:52:11 i.e folder != "test" Jul 16 17:52:14 I think they didn't lie simply because they would have gotten caught Jul 16 17:52:15 is != ?? Jul 16 17:52:25 steve jobs would lie to his mother if it would help him in some way Jul 16 17:52:33 select foo from bar where column != value Jul 16 17:52:35 SELECT * WHERE folder != 'test' Jul 16 17:52:39 Yeah Jul 16 17:52:41 sweet Jul 16 17:52:46 I missed the from part Jul 16 17:52:47 You people beat me to it :P Jul 16 17:52:57 what else is new? Jul 16 17:53:13 lies Jul 16 17:53:13 :O Jul 16 17:53:37 just needed the != part Jul 16 17:53:41 lol Jul 16 17:53:42 tada Jul 16 17:59:13 * sugardave compiles git on the webhost. Jul 16 18:01:01 ls Jul 16 18:01:04 oops Jul 16 18:01:08 ha Jul 16 18:01:11 fantasy factory is sooo good ;p Jul 16 18:04:48 my EVDO connection is a bit spotty on I-26 in South Carolina Jul 16 18:07:17 anyone using Ares having trouble connecting the debugger? Jul 16 18:07:23 it was working fine yesterday Jul 16 18:07:51 was 1.0.3 just pushed? Jul 16 18:08:02 apple has been launching ddos attacks at ares lately Jul 16 18:08:35 uh ok Jul 16 18:08:47 that's a pretty bold assertion Jul 16 18:10:06 I just tried, the daemon of govnah 0.5.7 still starts to eat cpu after some time Jul 16 18:12:53 I have no trouble installing/running/logging Ares <-> Emu, but entering debug fails. This bites Jul 16 18:22:33 geh. Looks like it's working in Chrome, but wasn't in Firefox Jul 16 18:24:07 but in Chrome I keep having some separate applet window stealing focus, great Jul 16 18:24:42 mac or pc Jul 16 18:24:48 mac Jul 16 18:24:59 from Firefox it was working fine yesterday Jul 16 18:25:08 ares really does not play well with chrome for mac Jul 16 18:25:26 your better off using safari than chrome Jul 16 18:25:29 I've had best luck with Firefox Jul 16 18:25:41 Safari has the annoyance that I can't paste into it Jul 16 18:25:56 and I'm going back/forth between Ares and a desktop editor Jul 16 18:25:58 somewhere on the dev site it states what browsers/system ares is compatible with Jul 16 18:26:04 chrome is only supported on pc Jul 16 18:26:12 but FF and Safari for both mac/pc Jul 16 18:26:18 huh never came across that Jul 16 18:26:36 yeah on chrome drag & drop doesnt work at all Jul 16 18:26:44 Chrome happens to allow pasting from outside the browser which would've been great Jul 16 18:26:58 http://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/userguide.html Jul 16 18:27:02 ah yeah that would suck for doing the layouts heh Jul 16 18:27:08 thanks Jul 16 18:27:13 Ares has been tested on: Jul 16 18:27:13 OSX: Safari 4.0+, Firefox 3.5+ Jul 16 18:27:13 Windows: Chrome 3, 4, Firefox 3.5+, Safari 4.0+ Jul 16 18:27:17 yeah so I see Jul 16 18:39:03 * sugardave compiles node. Jul 16 18:43:01 ls Jul 16 18:43:04 dammit Jul 16 18:43:05 again Jul 16 18:43:46 haha - you thought IRC was ssh Jul 16 18:44:24 heh Jul 16 18:44:24 maybe hes using bitchx Jul 16 18:44:34 hmm... what's bitchx? Jul 16 18:44:35 sugardave: /exec -o ls Jul 16 18:44:44 appamajig: classic CLI IRC client Jul 16 18:44:49 appamajig: a console irc client Jul 16 18:44:54 ah, ok Jul 16 18:44:56 lol Jul 16 18:45:01 geekcred++? Jul 16 18:45:14 heh Jul 16 18:47:38 we need to build a better tomorrow Jul 16 18:47:40 today Jul 16 18:47:59 you're right, cliche-king... we do! Jul 16 18:48:14 thank you thank you Jul 16 18:48:22 so send me your checks to my P.O. box Jul 16 18:48:28 and we'll start changing the world Jul 16 18:49:32 one check at a time? Jul 16 18:50:24 yep, I'll send the check right out! hmm... no money at the moment... I'll send it to you as soon as hell freezes over Jul 16 18:52:29 hmmm... lovin this inconsolata font... very readable Jul 16 18:55:31 ahoy, Roy Jul 16 18:55:52 nah, I'm using irssi, but I keep leaving the wrong window focused :P Jul 16 18:55:59 lol Jul 16 18:56:14 halfhalo_class: so, I started a hello world example...how do you stop node? just kill it? Jul 16 18:56:19 yup Jul 16 18:56:23 cool Jul 16 18:57:59 alright, success Jul 16 19:03:44 Uh oh Jul 16 19:06:52 so Jul 16 19:06:57 I had to fix the brakes on the car Jul 16 19:07:04 the brake line went Jul 16 19:07:10 and I was driving around thinking Jul 16 19:07:19 "hmm these brakes are a bit weird" Jul 16 19:07:35 ended up getting both control arms replaced Jul 16 19:08:10 and that's my story Jul 16 19:09:30 SQLite syntax: >= ? Jul 16 19:10:26 * kesne loves talking to seemingly-intoxicated people. Jul 16 19:10:40 haeffb: I think so Jul 16 19:11:37 haeffb: did != work? Jul 16 19:14:07 what is the best way to send messages via device? Jul 16 19:14:18 amiroo: what's the link? Jul 16 19:14:20 encryption wise I mean Jul 16 19:14:43 != works and >= works Jul 16 19:15:34 LoneStar99: Mojo has a builtin encrpytion with Mojo.Model.encrypt and Mojo.Model.decrypt, but I'm not sure how secure it is Jul 16 19:15:45 amiroo: you pasted that huge section of code, and it takes forever for it to send it all... it puts a delay in between each line... what's the pastebin link? Jul 16 19:17:17 sugardave: sending messages to the could Jul 16 19:17:23 cloud Jul 16 19:17:34 Simply attach your phone to a rocket Jul 16 19:17:40 and launch it into the cloud Jul 16 19:17:42 voila Jul 16 19:17:51 all your phones data is in the cloud Jul 16 19:17:52 yeah Jul 16 19:18:21 oh sorry for that Jul 16 19:18:22 http://pastebin.com/cTzsjRhZ Jul 16 19:18:22 got it? Jul 16 19:18:26 got it Jul 16 19:18:33 appamajig: cant't u even see this? Jul 16 19:18:36 good Jul 16 19:18:41 sorry for that Jul 16 19:18:57 messages need to be encrpyted or to they really Jul 16 19:19:38 can you decrypt server side? Jul 16 19:20:04 and how do you stop MIM attacks before the code is encrypted Jul 16 19:20:12 you don't Jul 16 19:20:29 right Jul 16 19:20:33 this is all flusterbating Jul 16 19:20:51 alexfner: yeah going server for sure Jul 16 19:20:59 Mojo's encrypt and decrypt is decent, but you have to seed it with a readable key Jul 16 19:21:08 LoneStar99: ? Jul 16 19:21:26 whoops Jul 16 19:21:32 I guess I don't understand how to message others Jul 16 19:21:34 so if someone gets hold of your key (ridiculously easy for anyone that obtains your app) and encrypted data, you're hooked Jul 16 19:21:51 alexfner: to send a private message on irc do /msg nickname message Jul 16 19:21:54 alexfner: /msg user your message Jul 16 19:21:59 ie. /msg maik hai Jul 16 19:22:07 right Jul 16 19:22:12 /msg sugardave hi, luser Jul 16 19:22:12 but not a private message Jul 16 19:22:13 pop quiz Jul 16 19:22:14 oh wait Jul 16 19:22:16 Wait Jul 16 19:22:17 I am confussed Jul 16 19:22:23 * sugardave smacks maik. Jul 16 19:22:29 Those messages that you just sent me Jul 16 19:22:33 * maik cowers Jul 16 19:22:36 were those private messages? Jul 16 19:22:37 or public? Jul 16 19:22:41 public Jul 16 19:22:41 alexfner: maybe I should make my own encryption code Jul 16 19:22:42 who sent you messages? Jul 16 19:22:43 right Jul 16 19:22:44 from me Jul 16 19:22:45 how do I do those Jul 16 19:23:04 alexfner: I can start typing a name and hit tab and it autocompletes them Jul 16 19:23:15 LoneStar99: Yeah but it'd be viewable on the device for anyone who grabs the code Jul 16 19:23:17 or, if you're not lazy, you can type out the whole thing and put a : at the end of it Jul 16 19:23:17 and my client highlights lines that start with my name Jul 16 19:23:22 okay Jul 16 19:23:29 alexfner: OMG PRIVATE MESSAGE Jul 16 19:23:29 just wanted to make sure I was doing it correctly Jul 16 19:23:34 haha Jul 16 19:23:39 maik: OH you! Jul 16 19:23:44 there you go Jul 16 19:24:05 I kept /msg Templarian early on because I hadn't been on IRC since some dumb terminals in 1992 Jul 16 19:24:14 and I thought I was getting pms Jul 16 19:24:16 a message system is being built Jul 16 19:24:17 PMs Jul 16 19:24:19 rather Jul 16 19:25:00 it can be called "chat" IM or whatever Jul 16 19:25:18 * Templarian looks around Jul 16 19:25:30 LoneStar99: Are you speaking of javascript services? Jul 16 19:25:33 oh Jul 16 19:25:34 nevermind Jul 16 19:26:11 It is a system Jul 16 19:26:20 hrm? Jul 16 19:26:33 a system of communication Jul 16 19:28:41 the first alpha will be released in 10 days Jul 16 19:29:01 a system of communication for what, LoneStar99 Jul 16 19:29:20 10 days maik Jul 16 19:29:29 what the heck are you talking about? Jul 16 19:29:31 a system of communication for 10 days maik? Jul 16 19:29:36 i'm afraid i don't get it Jul 16 19:29:44 you have gotten good at confusing us Jul 16 19:29:48 I mean, do you need C2-level government-strength encryption, or do you just want to keep people from sniffing cleartext? Jul 16 19:30:09 I'll also take my webOS tablet beta hardware so I can get to work on my apps fo rit Jul 16 19:30:09 FIPS compliance plz Jul 16 19:30:20 let me get right on that Jul 16 19:30:21 sugardave: fuckit might use it Jul 16 19:30:53 ? Jul 16 19:31:04 o_O Jul 16 19:31:18 Can only say, it is an IM Jul 16 19:31:54 okay, well, much like with oauth, I can't say js is a good choice for strong encryption Jul 16 19:31:57 but I'm no expert Jul 16 19:31:59 for sure Jul 16 19:32:29 oh god Jul 16 19:32:37 tried to figure out dropbox API for javascript Jul 16 19:32:42 needless to say, I haven't made it Jul 16 19:32:48 haha Jul 16 19:32:50 but I figure by this time next year Jul 16 19:32:54 *maybe* Jul 16 19:33:17 because of XHR, no one implements direct communication with dropbox through js Jul 16 19:33:18 * sugardave pets his node.js Hello World program. Jul 16 19:33:21 so much of the work Jul 16 19:33:24 is on my own Jul 16 19:33:30 sugar, also on Node now! Jul 16 19:33:34 don't you just love it! Jul 16 19:33:55 node.js ftw Jul 16 19:34:04 had the sype encryption code Jul 16 19:34:13 but lost it on a tab Jul 16 19:34:27 skype Jul 16 19:34:31 I don't know about ftw Jul 16 19:34:33 but at least ftt Jul 16 19:34:36 that's for the tie Jul 16 19:34:39 damn everybody is on node.js now Jul 16 19:34:48 I know, in just a days time! Jul 16 19:34:51 damn straight Jul 16 19:34:53 Now google is using node! Jul 16 19:34:55 what are you doing with it? Jul 16 19:35:24 I'm just starting to look at it, honestly Jul 16 19:35:31 http://cryptolib.com/ciphers/skype/ Jul 16 19:35:39 there we go Jul 16 19:35:39 I figure I will come up with something fun eventually Jul 16 19:35:39 ftt? >_> Jul 16 19:36:16 just building websockets right now Jul 16 19:36:22 need a server to manage communication Jul 16 19:36:25 use socket.io Jul 16 19:36:27 it is win Jul 16 19:36:28 node seemed to make the most since Jul 16 19:36:39 I'm working on something a bit more *custom* Jul 16 19:36:56 why..... websockets are websockets Jul 16 19:37:06 with the data handling though Jul 16 19:37:12 also using node to handle daters Jul 16 19:37:17 this is when my lack of learning socket programming is going to hurt Jul 16 19:37:28 btw it is not an official release of code Jul 16 19:37:29 just jump into it Jul 16 19:37:35 it's the best way to learn stuff Jul 16 19:37:39 true Jul 16 19:37:42 use it at your risk Jul 16 19:38:01 but... data handling should be seperate from the ws pipe. Jul 16 19:38:27 sure Jul 16 19:38:33 it will be in a seperate .js file :D Jul 16 19:38:53 no I mean Jul 16 19:38:57 I need something to grab that data Jul 16 19:39:01 no, i mean the pipe should make no difference to the rest of the application. Jul 16 19:39:04 and pipe it to a database Jul 16 19:39:09 err something Jul 16 19:39:17 ... Jul 16 19:39:18 I haven't quite worked out how I am going to implement what I am working on Jul 16 19:39:31 it's just sort of working itself out Jul 16 19:39:32 I was just saying use the socket.io module for the websocket server and client Jul 16 19:39:56 since it has fallbacks if the client doesn't support websockets Jul 16 19:40:01 oh Jul 16 19:40:03 ah client...so it is possible to get node.js libs in Mojo? Jul 16 19:40:04 well I am not worried about that Jul 16 19:40:13 I don't want fallbacks, like ajax bull Jul 16 19:40:19 its not ajax perse Jul 16 19:40:19 because that will consume a lot more data Jul 16 19:40:21 from headers Jul 16 19:40:25 any new word on 1.4.5 hitting the US? Jul 16 19:40:25 its long pull Jul 16 19:40:25 and be much slower Jul 16 19:40:32 yeah, still flusterbating Jul 16 19:40:32 and it works on the pre :p Jul 16 19:40:36 I need sockets man! Jul 16 19:40:46 they act the same Jul 16 19:40:48 the skype code is kinda weird Jul 16 19:40:48 I need sockets, I just need one more socket, come on man just give me one more socket! Jul 16 19:41:10 alright alright I'll look into it Jul 16 19:41:17 where can I find this here module Jul 16 19:41:19 built in? Jul 16 19:41:25 or does I have to go get it Jul 16 19:43:52 woooo Yalm update hit the store today Jul 16 19:44:06 still no update in the US? Jul 16 19:45:04 you have to get it Jul 16 19:45:12 but it is so fucking worth it its not even funny Jul 16 19:46:07 but I like funny Jul 16 19:46:12 is it rather depressing Jul 16 19:46:16 I don't like depressing Jul 16 19:46:54 it be on the github modules page (which is awesome) Jul 16 19:48:58 I love the idea of interacting with apis from node Jul 16 19:49:00 rather than client Jul 16 19:49:04 can't explain why Jul 16 19:49:06 so don't ask why Jul 16 19:54:00 * sugardave tries to put pieces together. "So in your node.js server programs, can you include other js libs like Prototype?" Jul 16 19:54:16 noish yes Jul 16 19:54:41 ... Jul 16 19:55:06 theres a prototypish extender module out there, and a few common.js things work, but anything that needs the dom will not work Jul 16 19:55:41 ah, okay Jul 16 19:59:13 hrm Jul 16 20:12:39 * CTLAdvance hopes sugardave can provide a nice link on node.js Jul 16 20:13:28 CTLAdvance: http://nodejs.org/ Jul 16 20:16:35 Yay! haXe is running on my phone! Jul 16 20:16:58 eylon, im onboard Jul 16 20:17:20 I'll have 1 license please Jul 16 20:17:22 It sure has been a steep learning curve jumping into C++ like this Jul 16 20:17:25 hah ;) Jul 16 20:17:50 I am using the graphics class to draw a circle, and then an enter frame handler to move it around Jul 16 20:18:01 It's working fine with SDL right now, but I want to get it running OpenGL Jul 16 20:18:16 It's failing to set the video mode ... probably something silly Jul 16 20:18:38 Then I'm going to see if I can get my hands on a more suitable demo, so I can test if sound and other features are working correctly Jul 16 20:18:58 Can you send me what you got so far? Jul 16 20:18:58 Unfortunately, I'm not able to load JPG and PNG files right now, since the jpeglib is throwing some kind of error Jul 16 20:19:24 I cant believe that we dont have 1.4.5 yet Jul 16 20:19:26 :) Jul 16 20:19:34 Oh ... do you have 1.4.5 on your phone? Jul 16 20:19:41 <--- has 1.4.5 Jul 16 20:19:46 I dont Jul 16 20:19:48 Okay, cool. Jul 16 20:19:55 Yeah, it won't run unless you're using 1.4.5 Jul 16 20:20:18 Anivrom: Let me see if I can post what I have Jul 16 20:20:19 so is there any sort of porting functionality atm? Jul 16 20:20:34 Porting to Palm, or to something else? Jul 16 20:20:38 palm. Jul 16 20:20:42 What code works? Jul 16 20:20:49 It's on the phone, displaying and moving my circle Jul 16 20:20:55 hmm Jul 16 20:21:04 circle from a symbol library? Jul 16 20:21:04 I haven't tested text, sound, jpg or png graphics Jul 16 20:21:19 var circle:Shape = new Shape (); Jul 16 20:21:23 ah Jul 16 20:21:45 I'm not sure yet if it works with symbols from a library, or if everything needs to be bitmaps Jul 16 20:22:11 Now that I've got it working at a base level, I've contacted the developer of hxcpp again to try and understand what it can and cant do Jul 16 20:22:20 elyon: how did you say you were moving the cicle again? Jul 16 20:22:23 It should, though, support loading images, playing sound Jul 16 20:22:37 addEventListener (Event.ENTER_FRAME, this_onEnterFrame); Jul 16 20:22:57 if (circle.x < 280) { circle.x ++ } Jul 16 20:23:01 That kind of thing Jul 16 20:23:15 It's messy, but its working Jul 16 20:23:23 not bad. Excellent work. You'll be finished just in time for flash to come out :P Jul 16 20:23:32 Although this is kinda different. Jul 16 20:23:33 It also opens two cards on the phone ... one black, and one with the graphics. Not sure why that's happening :) Jul 16 20:23:46 Well, I was told not to get my hopes up about Flash Jul 16 20:23:55 And this is eligible for the contest, too ;) Jul 16 20:24:09 I'm going to try and get physaxe running next Jul 16 20:24:17 ah. flash wont be able to run apps though from what I know. Jul 16 20:24:29 only web stuff Jul 16 20:24:34 I hope it will be able to Jul 16 20:24:44 I bet Adobe is trying to force them not to, unless they support AIR Jul 16 20:24:49 Which would be lame. Jul 16 20:25:02 I guess that encourages me more in making haXe work Jul 16 20:25:15 Almost the entire reason why I would want Flash running on the phone is to make apps with it Jul 16 20:25:21 Yea really Jul 16 20:25:25 Or to watch video, I suppose Jul 16 20:25:26 I can't wait to see what you can do. Jul 16 20:25:26 wow the sun website seems to be going downhill since oracle took over Jul 16 20:25:38 I don't wanna learn C so programming in AS3 would be great! Jul 16 20:25:57 Once I get physaxe running, I'm going to submit it to the app catalog as a demo Jul 16 20:26:11 So that way we can all test it and find any sort of edge cases which cause the system to fail Jul 16 20:26:29 So by the time I want to release a game, I don't get negative reviews because the game doesn't work on someone's phone :) Jul 16 20:26:39 it would be great Jul 16 20:26:47 Then I'm going to get my changes to the codebase integrated into hxcpp Jul 16 20:26:48 if a bunch of palm employees got together as a spoof Jul 16 20:26:48 good afternoon Jul 16 20:27:17 So then I can post a "How to", which involves installing haXe and hxcpp, and not modifying a bunch of files or compiling a bunch of C libraries Jul 16 20:27:22 and one of them dressed in a *just a bit to tight* black sweatshirt and tight blue jeans Jul 16 20:28:03 stood up on stage Jul 16 20:28:24 and... Jul 16 20:28:26 lost the idea Jul 16 20:28:27 gone Jul 16 20:28:31 damn Jul 16 20:28:38 that was going to be a good one Jul 16 20:29:04 Anvirom: I'm pleasantly surprised! Check out what I just stumbled over Jul 16 20:29:07 " Prerendering the explosion animation (currently vector animation from a swf) will make it MUCH faster for c++ (stop the slowdown on shoot), as i feel its vector animation code isnt anywhere as optimized as that in flash." Jul 16 20:29:26 Using vector animations from a SWF would rock! Jul 16 20:30:06 nice Jul 16 20:30:32 my wife is a vector beast. She uses illustrator like it's a third hand. Jul 16 20:30:46 4th hand* her third hand is for something else :P Jul 16 20:30:55 doing the disheS! Jul 16 20:30:58 joke Jul 16 20:31:04 oh noes! Jul 16 20:32:06 Having a bbq tonight oh yea. Jul 16 20:32:16 Burgs, dogs, vegie kabobs Jul 16 20:32:18 that sounds good Jul 16 20:32:22 mmm Jul 16 20:32:33 hickory smoked bullseye Jul 16 20:32:43 i've had some badass veggie kababs with marinated tofu on it Jul 16 20:33:15 I came across a post by the developer who created hxcpp, and got it running for the iPhone Jul 16 20:33:26 Didn't sound too happy about Apple's SDK changes ... I could imagine Jul 16 20:33:26 http://gamehaxe.com/2010/04/10/bravo-apple/ Jul 16 20:33:30 Kind of a fun post :) Jul 16 20:33:44 "Finally, Apple is doing away with those arrogant upstarts who think then can write a few lines in a high level language and call it a program." Jul 16 20:33:57 we usually paste our kabobs with honey garlic sauce Jul 16 20:34:12 paste them to what? Jul 16 20:34:23 Paste it with a brush :P Jul 16 20:34:26 "like all foreigners (who are responsible for all the terrorism in the world) these languages should be cleansed from all iPhones to maintain the iPhones mono-lingual purity. Putting such insidious diversity into a beautifully designed device can be shown to confuse consumers, most of whom don?t even know their device and been compromised by these so call ?high level? languages." Jul 16 20:34:29 to the bbq Jul 16 20:35:03 elyon: lol lovin the sarcasm Jul 16 20:35:25 "The new langages, such as haxe, are so terse that you do not even know when you are using a delegate. How can anyone possibly understand that code like: Jul 16 20:35:26 addEventListener(KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, function(event) { trace(event); }); Jul 16 20:35:26 Is supposed to do? I mean where is the delegate? Where is the class that implements the UITextFieldDelegate protocol? (And why must these languages continue to call things ?Interfaces? when they are clearly ?Protocols? ?)" Jul 16 20:36:32 oh great Jul 16 20:36:42 "I think Apple are right to ban code generators, such as the haxe c++ backend. While these produce code that could in theory be produced by hand, the code it robotic and lacks the ?soul? of hand written code. To err is human, and without the quirks introduced bu a human coding c++ we may as well hand the future over to SkyNet and let the machines run everything." Jul 16 20:38:06 Huh. That's interesting Jul 16 20:38:16 Steve Jobs quote from PreCentral: "And we're pretty good at making software, we showed that in the iPod... other people are good at it too, like Palm, but we brought great software to the smartphone space" Jul 16 20:38:37 ... I don't really understand what "space" Palm is bringing software into, if not the smartphone space ... Jul 16 20:38:44 great software which lies about signal strength? Jul 16 20:38:46 I think that's dumb, and that code generators are a useful tool... skynet is a silly hollywood creation... Jul 16 20:38:47 erm and palm brought BETTER software to the palm Jul 16 20:39:03 man i love the pdk btw Jul 16 20:39:07 to smartphones* Jul 16 20:39:13 this has suddenly made development for the phone a joy again Jul 16 20:39:35 I think Apple is a control freak company who needs to have their fingers in everyone else's business... and they call it their business (and their right to an extent) Jul 16 20:39:35 appamajig: That was written by the guy who created haXe C++ Jul 16 20:39:43 ooooh lol Jul 16 20:39:59 Apple put the kabosh on his whole project :( Jul 16 20:40:01 Poor guy. Jul 16 20:40:03 I thought that was your thought... seemed random and presumptuous Jul 16 20:40:06 :) sorry about that Jul 16 20:40:07 But now its running on Palm! Jul 16 20:40:18 Green skies and blue grass over here! Jul 16 20:41:20 "It can?t be said that Apple don?t like new langauges, after all, they championed the greatest NeXT Step in programming ever, Objective-C, it?s just that all the other languages are utter crap. Some of then do away with the beautiful square bracket, some use commas to separate function arguments and nearly all the modern ones perform ?Garbage Collection?. What a joke! Apple solved this problem years ago be simply not creating garbage in t Jul 16 20:41:21 place. Again, it is only those too lazy to learn about how to use allocation pools and correct reference counting that need anything as dirty as Garbage Collection." Jul 16 20:42:10 they also put the kabosh on poor adobe like they were ordained of god or something... Apple is bad business.. they quash the little guy, and are anti-competitive in general Jul 16 20:42:21 bah, you c++ people with all ur programming skills Jul 16 20:42:23 they have a great product... that would be greater in the hands of a company with morals Jul 16 20:42:42 Well, I have to admit, I'm a bit frustrated with Adobe, too, lately Jul 16 20:42:53 they have morals Jul 16 20:42:59 What with revoking the Palm version of Flash, then putting it out for Android Jul 16 20:43:01 i dont Jul 16 20:43:03 to make as much money for their shareholders as possible Jul 16 20:43:17 Hey Jul 16 20:43:19 all Jul 16 20:43:24 run! Jul 16 20:43:28 How's Jul 16 20:43:29 there goes the channel Jul 16 20:43:30 it Jul 16 20:43:31 going? Jul 16 20:43:37 lol Jul 16 20:43:55 Alright ladies, time to crack oopen the beer and start the bbq. bbl Jul 16 20:44:00 damn channels gone to hell again Jul 16 20:44:05 oilsworkin + kesne = oilsnotworkin Jul 16 20:44:12 lol Jul 16 20:44:18 * oilsworkn is workin right now Jul 16 20:44:20 < see Jul 16 20:44:26 hehe Jul 16 20:44:31 * oilsworkn has 2 monitors Jul 16 20:44:34 BigBiff_pre: you and me, we'll take over the world with JS alone Jul 16 20:44:36 at work Jul 16 20:44:44 YES Jul 16 20:44:48 js is fun Jul 16 20:44:50 i have... two Jul 16 20:45:29 if it can't be done with document.write + function() then it shouldn't be tried Jul 16 20:45:31 * elyon has 2 speakers Jul 16 20:45:50 dont forget eval() Jul 16 20:45:56 ah yes Jul 16 20:46:09 the not so evil eval Jul 16 20:46:15 eval is evil Jul 16 20:46:22 im evil Jul 16 20:46:38 it has its proper uses Jul 16 20:47:06 * haeffb using evalJSON Jul 16 20:47:08 var string = 'function(){console.log('EVIL');}'; Jul 16 20:47:09 Like: eval ("eval ('eval ()')"); Jul 16 20:47:11 string() Jul 16 20:47:12 :O Jul 16 20:47:35 evAl... evIl... coincidence? I think NOT! Jul 16 20:47:50 eval is short for evaluate Jul 16 20:47:54 not eviluate Jul 16 20:47:58 oh Jul 16 20:48:00 my bad Jul 16 20:48:12 I'd like to see a website setup exactly like a sdk app, just to see Jul 16 20:48:12 I thought it was ;) Jul 16 20:48:35 I wonder how much work it would be to port an SDK app with PhoneGap Jul 16 20:48:40 what do you mean? Jul 16 20:48:41 I don't think I could do it without prototype Jul 16 20:48:44 Same graphics Jul 16 20:48:47 Same behavior Jul 16 20:48:52 But running on a different platform Jul 16 20:49:06 my what do you mean was to "a website setup exactly like a sdk app" Jul 16 20:49:12 oh Jul 16 20:49:42 html + prototype setup() etc. Jul 16 20:50:00 If I could port an SDK app to another platform with PhoneGap, I'd consider it Jul 16 20:50:06 Uh oh Jul 16 20:50:11 But rewriting all the UI doesn't sound like fun Jul 16 20:50:26 oh sorry, I missed this part Jul 16 20:50:28 IT'S SO MUCH FUN! Jul 16 20:50:29 var string = 'function(){console.log('EVIL');}'; Jul 16 20:50:30 Plus, all those other platforms don't get fun goodies like multiple stages and notifications Jul 16 20:50:36 hah Jul 16 20:50:42 var func = new Function(string); Jul 16 20:50:45 func(); Jul 16 20:50:51 more obtuse than eval Jul 16 20:50:59 setup is basically what Jul 16 20:51:07 eval ("other platforms") = Fun.SO_MUCH Jul 16 20:51:09 document.observe("dom:loaded", function() { alert('SETUP!'); }); Jul 16 20:51:41 sarcasm (Fun.SO_MUCH) // returns true Jul 16 20:53:23 oilsworkn: yes, I know that it's short for evaluate... :) but in any case, I think that you just created a new word! eviluate: an appraisal of the evil in something; "he set a high eviluation on fornication" Jul 16 20:53:25 oil: I'm not sure I could write for the web without it being kinda webosish Jul 16 20:54:15 I need onLoad to be in this.setup Jul 16 20:54:23 etc. Jul 16 20:55:22 err.. the other way around, you get my point Jul 16 20:56:31 hmm Jul 16 21:01:29 haeffb: back from the beach Jul 16 21:01:34 ? Jul 16 21:03:48 hrmm, people still postin gps issues on forum Jul 16 21:04:10 * BigBiff_pre has never had an issue with accuracy Jul 16 21:04:12 appamajig: you there? Jul 16 21:04:41 appamajig: thanks again. I had to make a few changes but I got it working now. Jul 16 21:04:49 I guess verizon is the culprit Jul 16 21:05:22 * haeffb on I-40 Jul 16 21:05:50 east of knoxville I presume Jul 16 21:06:37 stay away from verizon Jul 16 21:06:38 right at knoxville Jul 16 21:06:52 trying to make Nashville for the evening Jul 16 21:06:59 ahh Jul 16 21:07:04 imagine how much you could savewith another carrier Jul 16 21:07:41 I do like sprint for some reason Jul 16 21:07:59 even though reception is bad at home Jul 16 21:08:29 I love sprint. same service would cost me 70 more with verizon. that's ridiculous Jul 16 21:09:04 what's frustrating is the one second surge to 5 bars, then back to one, then none Jul 16 21:09:25 then 5 on roaming (verizon) Jul 16 21:09:37 witch to roam. free Jul 16 21:09:44 right Jul 16 21:09:54 I get 5 bars outside at all times Jul 16 21:10:06 but, of course you can't switch during a call Jul 16 21:10:09 or they send you an airave free Jul 16 21:10:19 ? Jul 16 21:11:00 something from home works with internet. own personal cell tower Jul 16 21:11:27 right, but free? Jul 16 21:11:46 verizon signal is stronger but not worth me paying so much Jul 16 21:11:55 yes free Jul 16 21:13:15 so I guess I should call, I just assumed I was sol Jul 16 21:14:08 I'll call sprint after I drop dtv for dish here in a minute Jul 16 21:14:37 * BigBiff_pre is intrigued Jul 16 21:16:42 you may have to do some talking to get it free... Jul 16 21:17:02 YAY FOR AWESOME!!! Jul 16 21:17:15 ? Jul 16 21:17:35 anyone use digloo? Jul 16 21:18:05 halfhalo: ( found something that's awesome, and I'm stoked) Jul 16 21:18:21 just wanted to share my excitement a little... Jul 16 21:18:34 appamajig! Jul 16 21:18:39 dohtem! Jul 16 21:18:44 got it working Jul 16 21:18:54 sweet! I'm glad to hear it! Jul 16 21:19:06 was my function at all helpful? Jul 16 21:19:25 yeah. i had to make some changes but yup Jul 16 21:20:09 I expected as much... it was just to show you what I was thinking... did you use the style="display: #{review0disp}" part? I'm curious if you got it to work well for you... Jul 16 21:21:02 no, didnt use that Jul 16 21:21:32 i had to do items = {} after each push to the data model tho Jul 16 21:21:34 I use that in one of my lists... it's a store, and if the item has not been bought, then I set the display style for that item to show a dive that overlays "BOUGHT' in red on top of that item Jul 16 21:22:12 how many items are you dealing with? I know you get 20 in each result set... how many result sets do you get? Jul 16 21:22:40 Not sure if i want to deal with more than 20. Jul 16 21:23:18 i grab 20 for now but I can alway make another call for 21-40, 41-60 and so on Jul 16 21:24:40 20000000000011111111111 Jul 16 21:24:43 ... hmm ok... I was thinking about something, but probably doesnt' apply to your situation :) Jul 16 21:24:47 sorry, cat Jul 16 21:25:03 * dohtem issues a jihad for zsoc's cat! Jul 16 21:25:12 * appamajig lifts an eyebrow quizzically at zsoc Jul 16 21:25:26 lol did the cat jump on the keyboard? Jul 16 21:25:27 * haeffb gotta drive. later folks. Jul 16 21:25:32 20000000000000011111111111111111!!! FTW!!! Jul 16 21:25:32 appamajig: yes Jul 16 21:25:34 a good friend stopped drinking Jul 16 21:25:38 * appamajig waves goodby to haeffb Jul 16 21:25:41 damn, too late :P Jul 16 21:26:02 * appamajig farts in the general direction that haeffb went. Jul 16 21:26:26 lonestar99: does that mean you guys can't hang out anymore? Jul 16 21:26:48 yeah Jul 16 21:26:52 lol Jul 16 21:27:38 hi all! Jul 16 21:27:44 I'd like to issue a general apology to everyone in the room... my doc refilled my pain med scrip... I'm kinda loopy and random... Jul 16 21:27:51 * appamajig tips his hat to JenP Jul 16 21:28:06 JenP: word Jul 16 21:28:16 LOL hi guys Jul 16 21:28:32 i have come to hate the pdk and everything it stands for Jul 16 21:28:41 wow Jul 16 21:28:48 zsoc: that bad? Jul 16 21:28:48 lmao zsoc Jul 16 21:28:58 BLASPHEMY!!! Jul 16 21:28:58 so, I guess I'm not getting that tutorial, then Jul 16 21:29:03 :( Jul 16 21:29:16 It takes something I know, and am good at, and twists it around through rules and loopholes that make me want to tear my eyes out. Jul 16 21:29:28 LMAO Jul 16 21:29:31 so confused Jul 16 21:29:38 lol... sorry zsoc, I feel your pain Jul 16 21:29:43 (kindof) Jul 16 21:29:47 and Palm still hasn't released the headers to compile their SDL patch, which is being non-compliant with the GPL license and it's making my life more difficult. Jul 16 21:30:01 his life of trying to get around their lack of apis Jul 16 21:30:04 lol Jul 16 21:30:07 what sort of shenanigans are going on now Jul 16 21:30:08 heh Jul 16 21:30:11 hi JenP Jul 16 21:30:18 sugardave! Jul 16 21:30:21 * torchie updatesrefresh Jul 16 21:30:26 SHENANIGANS Jul 16 21:30:31 oilsworkn: i'm not 'getting around' anything. I'm making my app using their tools. Jul 16 21:30:31 torchie: don't bother Jul 16 21:30:35 man... Palm needs to hire a team of doc writers... it's nearly to the point of ridiculousness... Jul 16 21:30:52 they should reduce the team to one guy Jul 16 21:30:56 'one should be happy that a company is as open as they are Jul 16 21:31:08 it ain't always about the number of cooks in the kitchen Jul 16 21:31:13 ctl: yeah... they do get a bunch of points for that Jul 16 21:31:20 They should give the libpdl and libnapp source and i'll write the docs myself :P Jul 16 21:31:20 I wouldnt be surprised if they wrote their own core to abandon linux... Jul 16 21:31:26 but I doubt they will Jul 16 21:31:42 well if that core had better performance and better design than linux and was just as open Jul 16 21:31:45 would you Jul 16 21:31:46 I feel like Palm's trying to make things easy Jul 16 21:31:47 appamajig: why do you say that? Jul 16 21:31:47 TAKE THE PLUNGE Jul 16 21:31:58 Yes but it prob wouldnt be open Jul 16 21:31:59 Compared to other companies, who want to make things more complicated Jul 16 21:32:03 I'm the first one to praise palm generally, I'm just ranting. Jul 16 21:32:06 pandora: you mean about the docs? Jul 16 21:32:07 that would be the point Jul 16 21:32:20 So there's a specific thing you can't access through the PDL library? Jul 16 21:32:26 let's see some more open non-linux kernels! Jul 16 21:32:32 There's ton's of things you can't access through the pdl library :p Jul 16 21:32:34 * maik gives dekan a banana Jul 16 21:32:34 * dekan now contains a banana. Jul 16 21:32:45 dekan: you are a banana Jul 16 21:32:45 zsoc: Your mom is a banana! Jul 16 21:32:48 damn Jul 16 21:32:48 contains a banana huh Jul 16 21:32:53 dekan: inventory Jul 16 21:32:54 I am carrying a stick, an empty bottle, and a banana. Jul 16 21:32:54 guys Jul 16 21:32:55 I uh Jul 16 21:32:56 * JenP loves Palm almost as much as shoes Jul 16 21:33:03 miak: thats what she said Jul 16 21:33:04 dekan: drop that banana! Jul 16 21:33:04 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Jul 16 21:33:07 hahaha Jul 16 21:33:09 I was unplugging the things I didn't need from the power port Jul 16 21:33:13 to reduce phantom power drain Jul 16 21:33:13 It's JenP! Jul 16 21:33:14 dekan: give zsoc a banana Jul 16 21:33:14 I don't know Jul 16 21:33:17 hmm Jul 16 21:33:19 and I accidentally unplugged my alarm clock Jul 16 21:33:25 and it reset. Jul 16 21:33:25 kesne!!! Jul 16 21:33:28 dekan: it fucking prints money Jul 16 21:33:28 I don't know Jul 16 21:33:29 so i was wondering Jul 16 21:33:32 what time is it? Jul 16 21:33:32 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 16 21:33:34 haha Jul 16 21:33:35 * zsoc contains a banana Jul 16 21:33:36 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 16 21:33:45 I am going to murder someone Jul 16 21:33:52 pandora: because I'm exagerating :) they docs do need work... more examples and that sort of thing... but in general the docs that exist aren't bad... it's situations like with Ares... try using the Ares docs to create a calendar event lol Jul 16 21:33:53 halfhalo_class: start with the bots Jul 16 21:34:04 DROP banana Jul 16 21:34:22 * oilsworkn rarely looks at the docs anymore Jul 16 21:34:26 * maik gives dekan his Pre Jul 16 21:34:26 Okay, maik. Jul 16 21:34:30 * oilsworkn just copy/pastes from apps hes already written Jul 16 21:34:32 dekan: inventory Jul 16 21:34:32 * dekan contains a stick, an empty bottle, a banana, and maik's Pre. Jul 16 21:34:35 you don't need docs yo Jul 16 21:34:36 sweet Jul 16 21:34:38 webos-info: JenP Jul 16 21:34:38 Looky here: JenP is the creator of softcore porn apps. Jul 16 21:34:42 once you free yourself from dogma Jul 16 21:34:44 from doctrine Jul 16 21:34:47 from documentation Jul 16 21:34:48 you just fly. Jul 16 21:34:48 LOL Jul 16 21:34:49 oh Jul 16 21:34:50 oh, I will... Jul 16 21:35:05 is d e k a n really a bot Jul 16 21:35:06 that's retarded lol Jul 16 21:35:17 webos-info isn't a bot Jul 16 21:35:18 CTLAdvance: yar Jul 16 21:35:25 I'm not Jul 16 21:35:27 why is he still in here Jul 16 21:35:29 Really! Jul 16 21:35:33 webos-info: clap Jul 16 21:35:34 * webos-info clap clap clap! WOO! \o/ Jul 16 21:35:34 See! Jul 16 21:35:34 and now my dev device isn't turning on Jul 16 21:35:35 * zsoc sighs Jul 16 21:35:38 this just isn't my day Jul 16 21:35:42 feels bot-ish to me... Jul 16 21:35:49 webos-info fart Jul 16 21:35:52 You feel bot-ish to me Jul 16 21:36:05 you can tell? Jul 16 21:36:06 CTLAdvance Fart? Ewww, gross Jul 16 21:36:10 my master will not be happy with me for this Jul 16 21:36:18 it needs to prefix everything with [ROBOTVOICE] Jul 16 21:36:24 woo there it goes Jul 16 21:36:42 * appamajig gives zsoc a victory handshake. Jul 16 21:36:53 has anyone tried death grip on their pre Jul 16 21:36:55 * zsoc creates a bot that command-spams other bots Jul 16 21:36:59 * CTLAdvance is installing .net framework 4 Jul 16 21:37:01 (I discovered /me today... can you tell?) Jul 16 21:37:17 torchie: death grip? Jul 16 21:37:22 zsoc: My bot destroys other bots Jul 16 21:37:28 CTLAdvance: deving for WP7? Jul 16 21:37:35 do I have to bring ctlbot back online Jul 16 21:37:36 kesne: no one was talking to you Jul 16 21:37:40 all phones have it! Jul 16 21:37:43 all phones have death grip! Jul 16 21:37:44 :'( Jul 16 21:37:48 ctlbot has been offline since 2005 Jul 16 21:37:49 kesne: my bot has a very advanced AI that can solve problems and research in a nearly coherent manner Jul 16 21:37:55 torchie works for apple? Jul 16 21:37:59 that sounds like propaganda Jul 16 21:38:00 No Jul 16 21:38:01 lol Jul 16 21:38:04 infact I will have to get out my troll system Jul 16 21:38:13 torchie is an idiotic kid Jul 16 21:38:13 wow and thats still on an amd 256mhz Jul 16 21:38:15 oy Jul 16 21:38:19 Oh wait, that's me Jul 16 21:38:21 * oilsworkn has a feeling torchie is wearing a black turtleneck Jul 16 21:38:23 ctl: lol Jul 16 21:38:23 * Anivrom wonders what apple said in the press release Jul 16 21:38:32 the press release was kinda lame Jul 16 21:38:37 like they didn't west coast hustle anyone Jul 16 21:38:40 torchie knows, he was there Jul 16 21:38:41 Your mom was kinda lame Jul 16 21:38:41 chanting Jul 16 21:38:45 oops work calls...bye all Jul 16 21:38:46 * CTLAdvance is developing for windows 7 and eventually windows phone 7. however need to start my webos ide first Jul 16 21:38:48 I know, I was the jobs guy Jul 16 21:38:56 but anyway Jul 16 21:39:15 press release: "all phones have death grip, iphone is awesome, here's free bumpers and cool pictures of an anechoic chamber" Jul 16 21:39:17 to be honest, WP7 is looking pretty good Jul 16 21:39:25 and the dev tools kick ass Jul 16 21:39:28 still has "windows" and "phone" in the name Jul 16 21:39:30 i dunno man Jul 16 21:39:36 I think that WP7 probably will kick ass Jul 16 21:39:47 Microsoft pretty much has to, after the kin incident... Jul 16 21:39:48 I need to write a new bot Jul 16 21:39:53 Bing-Bot Jul 16 21:40:00 it's going to suck Jul 16 21:40:04 WP7 is looking very nice Jul 16 21:40:05 windows Jul 16 21:40:06 phone Jul 16 21:40:08 i've had two windows mobile phones Jul 16 21:40:12 and they both sucked so hard Jul 16 21:40:12 I have been trying to get one of their developer phones Jul 16 21:40:23 microsoft can't get anything right Jul 16 21:40:24 I had one... it didn't suck, but it was good either... Jul 16 21:40:30 microsoft can get Jul 16 21:40:34 Windows Mobile is #2 on my list after WebOS Jul 16 21:40:34 uh Jul 16 21:40:35 the xbox is their best "least fucked up thing" and it's still got issues Jul 16 21:40:44 microsoft can get DAT PAPER Jul 16 21:40:47 Wolvenhaven: you mean... other than like, windows, and visual studio? Jul 16 21:40:57 and thats winmo 6.1+ Jul 16 21:41:01 windows is horribly fucked up Jul 16 21:41:06 winmo 6.1 uuuuuugh Jul 16 21:41:07 and don't tell me it's not Jul 16 21:41:11 what? Jul 16 21:41:16 everyone knows that windows was a complete failure, that's why 70% of the worlds computers has it installed... Jul 16 21:41:19 you're kidding Jul 16 21:41:21 ok wlover... however you spell it Jul 16 21:41:30 yes its so messed up thats why the masses bought into it Jul 16 21:41:32 70% of the world's computers have windows installed Jul 16 21:41:37 and look at the state of the world now Jul 16 21:41:37 lol Jul 16 21:41:41 bam. Jul 16 21:41:42 actually globally its 93% Jul 16 21:41:49 appamajig, it's on 70% of the worlds computers because they have a good marketing team, it has nothing to do with software function Jul 16 21:41:53 (I was guessing :P ) Jul 16 21:41:54 I just blamed windows for modern society Jul 16 21:42:10 you're giving them too much credit Jul 16 21:42:16 all they created is the pc support business Jul 16 21:42:32 Yes linux only has linux trolls who want to stand out as they could never fit in so they use linux, non conformity Jul 16 21:42:37 but no market team Jul 16 21:42:38 MS created a ton of extremely anti-competative contracts which allowed them to dominate the market, it has nothing to do with functionality Jul 16 21:42:40 windows, while it has had many problems, is not horribly fucked up... *Shrug* that's just me Jul 16 21:42:45 if they create a reliable os, imagine howmany hard working techsupport people they would put on the breadline? Jul 16 21:42:55 man I don't want a linux marketing team Jul 16 21:42:58 I want a linux usability team Jul 16 21:43:10 linux marketing team = "this is the year os linux on the desktop" Jul 16 21:43:13 ... every year Jul 16 21:43:15 lol Jul 16 21:43:22 meanwhile the best linux distribution is Jul 16 21:43:24 (webos) Jul 16 21:43:29 lol Jul 16 21:43:38 i can't even list all the crap that's wrong with windows Jul 16 21:43:39 a lot of their products have been bad... I agree... but a lot of them weren't half bad... windows 2000 wasn't terrible for it's day... win 7 is pretty good (vista was sad...) Jul 16 21:43:46 y0 ppl Jul 16 21:43:46 Yeah this seems more stable then my ubuntu... seems like its down all the time Jul 16 21:43:47 and 90% of it right now is DRM or TC shit Jul 16 21:43:52 finally replacing with server 2008 Jul 16 21:44:11 MS is adding in more and more DRM and TC code every release Jul 16 21:44:15 TC? Jul 16 21:44:19 trusted computing Jul 16 21:44:27 lol I really don't get worked up about windows vs linux... for every person there's a need for software that's good for them Jul 16 21:44:30 I don't trust that Jul 16 21:44:30 vista was good Jul 16 21:44:35 you "rent" the computer from the comany and can only do approved things on it Jul 16 21:44:36 give linux to the masses and you'll have a massive crisis Jul 16 21:44:38 7 was good Jul 16 21:44:44 it will be sad Jul 16 21:44:55 try to get your mom to install an application on linux Jul 16 21:44:58 well of course you'd have a crisis Jul 16 21:45:00 linux is a kernel Jul 16 21:45:00 trusted computing is a hardware level root kit that controls the computer Jul 16 21:45:06 here's a kernel mom Jul 16 21:45:09 have fun Jul 16 21:45:10 "how do i get to the internet? I can't find the blue e...." Jul 16 21:45:11 torchie I mean, any of the linux distros Jul 16 21:45:16 lol Jul 16 21:45:18 linux at the current state will never make it for home use Jul 16 21:45:19 webOS is a linux distro Jul 16 21:45:21 you laugh Jul 16 21:45:21 :) Jul 16 21:45:26 ive heard that MORE THAN ONCE Jul 16 21:45:28 torchie and don't act like you didn't think that's what I meant Jul 16 21:45:34 and they were SERIOUS Jul 16 21:45:39 oh, it could work for home use Jul 16 21:45:42 i've installed ubuntu for people in their 70s, my computer illiterate mom, and my little sister, they all use it much easier than windows Jul 16 21:45:45 but it's not built for that Jul 16 21:45:48 and windows IS Jul 16 21:45:50 people get angry when you put them on hold so they dont hear you laughing Jul 16 21:45:50 remember the google thing Jul 16 21:45:59 where most people didn't know what a browser was Jul 16 21:46:07 because all they do is websurf and very basic things Jul 16 21:46:18 just imagine how they are now with this android vs iphone thing Jul 16 21:46:19 so why pay for an OEM? Jul 16 21:46:28 "iphone's a phone" Jul 16 21:46:31 "what's an android" Jul 16 21:46:31 why have the computer end up being on a botnet? Jul 16 21:46:45 basically ipad's gonna take over mang Jul 16 21:46:48 people should have to go to a class before they can get on the internets Jul 16 21:46:49 wolvenhaven: *Shrug* so you claim... good luck with all that... anyways... I'm out, I'm not going to argue with you guys, you're all too intense... Jul 16 21:46:54 get a license to use the internets Jul 16 21:46:55 like biggitty bam Jul 16 21:47:07 which claim appamajig? Jul 16 21:47:14 their home computer thats a bot in a botnet that they dont know how to fix costs companies tons of money Jul 16 21:47:22 the claim that only kids can see what's so great about cinnamon toast crunch Jul 16 21:47:42 ipad! Jul 16 21:47:46 apple solved the computer Jul 16 21:47:49 it's so useless Jul 16 21:47:51 it's thin Jul 16 21:47:52 solved!?!?!?1 Jul 16 21:47:54 WOW! Jul 16 21:47:56 it sbeautiful Jul 16 21:47:56 we have one Jul 16 21:47:59 by locking it down, lol Jul 16 21:48:00 we don't know what to do with it Jul 16 21:48:00 it goes anywhere and lasts all day Jul 16 21:48:06 oh Jul 16 21:48:07 apple approved experience" Jul 16 21:48:09 you could give it to me Jul 16 21:48:09 you guys will love this Jul 16 21:48:11 :D? Jul 16 21:48:23 although I'm a bit psyched for a webOS tablet if that ever happens while I'm alive Jul 16 21:48:31 so my college newspaper asked a bunch of kids what they thought of the ipad before it came out Jul 16 21:48:41 they printed the responces of 4 art majors Jul 16 21:48:52 about how "it's an amazing device, they've reinvented the computer" Jul 16 21:48:57 I don't see webos hitting tablets anytime soon Jul 16 21:48:57 well it is an amazing device Jul 16 21:49:02 they reinvented the computer Jul 16 21:49:05 "they made the koolaid even stronger!" Jul 16 21:49:06 for one webos lacks applications Jul 16 21:49:07 reinvted the fucking computer Jul 16 21:49:07 reinvted fucking the computer Jul 16 21:49:08 all 4 of them were like "i'd get down and suck job's cock" Jul 16 21:49:13 well i'm a compsci student Jul 16 21:49:17 art majors get laid though Jul 16 21:49:18 dekan: i see what you did there Jul 16 21:49:18 Not a bloody clue, sir. Jul 16 21:49:21 "red is the best flavor" Jul 16 21:49:22 so i wrote to the newspaper with this, and they printed it Jul 16 21:49:23 so I dunno Jul 16 21:49:38 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs457.ash1/25125_1364277541867_1079472750_31078984_6703986_n.jpg Jul 16 21:49:47 that was what i wrote the paper and had printed Jul 16 21:49:59 Wolvenhaven: you couldn't have rotated it first? Jul 16 21:50:27 art majors get laid more Jul 16 21:50:29 just sayin Jul 16 21:50:37 "[14:49] well i'm a compsci student" Jul 16 21:50:40 yea, to other art majors Jul 16 21:50:42 who can't rotate a pic, lol Jul 16 21:50:47 it was rotated Jul 16 21:50:52 iunno why the direct link isn't Jul 16 21:50:53 and wouldn't it make sense to interview both the compsci students and the art students Jul 16 21:50:56 that way you can get a sense of Jul 16 21:51:00 being at the crossroads Jul 16 21:51:05 of liberal arts and technology Jul 16 21:51:08 torchie: it's a college newspaper, remember Jul 16 21:51:15 no, because art majors are too stoned and stupid to understand Jul 16 21:51:21 you know, people love our phones Jul 16 21:51:36 the art majors at my school spend all day sitting on the decks of the art houses smoking cigarettes and talking Jul 16 21:51:37 why is webos so slow at opening apps? Jul 16 21:51:42 and today we have something really great for you Jul 16 21:51:43 they get a college degree for doing nothing Jul 16 21:51:54 torchie: christ, you really are steve jobs Jul 16 21:51:59 lol Jul 16 21:52:03 i told you Jul 16 21:52:06 Wolvenhaven: sounds nice Jul 16 21:52:12 friends enjoying each other's company Jul 16 21:52:22 * oilsworkn bets he has an apple logo tattoo Jul 16 21:52:30 with jobs face under it Jul 16 21:52:31 does steve jobs himself even have an apple logo tattoo? Jul 16 21:52:33 giving a thumbs up Jul 16 21:53:07 [17:45] the iphone could have a bug that randomly causes you to shit your pants and punch your grandpa in the balls, and apple fanboys would still insist it's the best thing ever Jul 16 21:53:14 well Jul 16 21:53:18 it's like this Jul 16 21:53:33 iphone, fighter jet, tigers, etc. Jul 16 21:53:39 you get the gist Jul 16 21:53:40 http://techiezlounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Steve-Jobs-and-Gates-on-iPhone-4.jpeg Jul 16 21:54:03 jobs and gates ... .jpg Jul 16 21:54:06 * oilsworkn already knows what image it is Jul 16 21:54:14 it's most excellent Jul 16 21:54:37 the best one was "i told them to call me if they have problems" Jul 16 21:54:39 radical! Jul 16 21:54:39 then the grin face Jul 16 21:54:42 cause it can't make calls Jul 16 21:54:53 hah you guys ever see the ceostevejobs twitter Jul 16 21:55:05 heh Jul 16 21:55:07 no Jul 16 21:55:19 pretty much a parody steve jobs and it's been on fire since the antenna thing Jul 16 21:55:36 "The only recall you'll get on your iphone is pressing redial." Jul 16 21:56:09 "Consumer Reports may be the best magazine there is but I can't recommend it because it won't open from the lefthand corner." Jul 16 21:56:42 see? it's like the same thing! Jul 16 21:57:33 well the whole antenna thing is not good for apple Jul 16 21:57:41 at least they're finally trying to clean the mess up Jul 16 21:57:49 personally, I'm disappoint Jul 16 21:57:54 even my friends who know nothing of tech were talking about it Jul 16 21:57:56 they could have hustled so hard Jul 16 21:58:10 they tried to make it go away with the distortion effect Jul 16 21:58:21 * sugardave is jealous of node.js's debug functions. Jul 16 21:58:22 RDF Jul 16 21:58:25 but jobs charisma alone wasn't enough this time Jul 16 21:58:59 I dunno I think they did a p gud job Jul 16 21:58:59 dekan: RDF? Jul 16 21:58:59 RDF is Reality Distortion Field Jul 16 21:59:22 of making it look like it's not their fault Jul 16 21:59:34 and saying the iphone is awesome Jul 16 21:59:44 iPhone4 is awesome Jul 16 21:59:48 if you don't want a phone Jul 16 22:00:00 LOLWALKER! Jul 16 22:00:42 ho ho Jul 16 22:00:50 hai sir Jul 16 22:00:55 so Jul 16 22:01:04 are the smartphone wars dramatic enough Jul 16 22:01:10 josh mentioned you'd be joining us Jul 16 22:01:10 to become the sequel to pirates of silicon valley Jul 16 22:01:20 he is a mentioner Jul 16 22:01:30 ya, all...mentiony Jul 16 22:01:45 who now what? Jul 16 22:02:13 halfhalo_class: dekan Jul 16 22:02:13 personally I think the best way to do damage control Jul 16 22:02:18 dekan: halfhalo_class Jul 16 22:02:18 I don't know anything about that. Jul 16 22:02:22 as i suspected Jul 16 22:02:28 I think ford is better than chevy Jul 16 22:02:32 is to claim both sides of the story true Jul 16 22:02:36 that'll knock em off their socks Jul 16 22:02:39 coke beats pepsi Jul 16 22:02:46 the iphone doesn't have a reception problem! Jul 16 22:02:52 * oilsworkn doesn't like coke OR pepsi Jul 16 22:02:52 but we are so sorry about it. Jul 16 22:02:54 sprite beats 7up Jul 16 22:02:55 * oilsworkn prefers drpepper Jul 16 22:02:59 dr pepper! Jul 16 22:03:09 mrpib beats drpepper Jul 16 22:03:13 and dr pepper kicks the shit out of mr pib Jul 16 22:03:16 only when mixxed with sprite Jul 16 22:03:19 wait, no Jul 16 22:03:22 drenuf Jul 16 22:03:28 i mean, he didn't go to soda school for 8 years to be second to a mr Jul 16 22:03:31 hes a doctor! Jul 16 22:03:56 yeah if someone was going to sell me a drink full of high fructose corn syrup Jul 16 22:04:00 I'd rather it be someone with medical experience Jul 16 22:04:11 see Jul 16 22:04:21 pepper sensei. Jul 16 22:04:42 I stand corrected Jul 16 22:04:42 is that drpepper in japan? Jul 16 22:04:52 i hope so Jul 16 22:04:57 but Mr. peanut? Jul 16 22:05:02 he's rich Jul 16 22:05:03 there is no dr peanut Jul 16 22:05:05 so its all good Jul 16 22:05:15 (wears a monacle) Jul 16 22:05:16 mr peanut should have buckled down and finished his degree Jul 16 22:05:28 steve jobs didn't buckle down Jul 16 22:05:29 family $ Jul 16 22:06:34 ok.. I need to know, what's the next 'aha' moment in business Jul 16 22:06:44 ? Jul 16 22:06:55 like when netscape went public Jul 16 22:07:04 I need a stock buyin Jul 16 22:07:38 bp? Jul 16 22:07:39 awe, netscape Jul 16 22:07:43 *tear* Jul 16 22:07:48 heh Jul 16 22:07:53 * oilsworkn hated netscape Jul 16 22:07:54 im glad it died Jul 16 22:08:02 lol me too Jul 16 22:08:05 or Jul 16 22:08:07 it was so bloated... Jul 16 22:08:12 what's the next google Jul 16 22:08:26 I need to know.. I need money Jul 16 22:08:27 unfortunately, not the palm pre :P Jul 16 22:08:31 keen studios? Jul 16 22:08:35 Hater Jul 16 22:08:38 LOL Jul 16 22:08:55 send your money to webos-internals Jul 16 22:08:59 and we'll send none of it back Jul 16 22:09:03 free of charge Jul 16 22:09:08 cool Jul 16 22:09:11 hmm Jul 16 22:09:13 send me an ipad Jul 16 22:09:16 I love the palm pre... best phone on the market as far as I'm concerned... so open, powerful... lots of greatness involved with the palm pre... but it's no the next google... it doesn't have the branding for it Jul 16 22:09:34 whos the industrial design guy? Jul 16 22:09:36 * oilsworkn is fine rooting for the underdog Jul 16 22:09:40 anthony kim Jul 16 22:09:45 especially when the underdog is so much more awesome then everything else Jul 16 22:09:51 you appear to also have the same love for ellipses Jul 16 22:10:01 * appamajig gives oilsworkn a high-five! Jul 16 22:10:17 I shall follow his career and invest Jul 16 22:10:21 ellipses? Jul 16 22:10:24 i want a webos phone that has beefier hardware Jul 16 22:10:28 kim Jul 16 22:10:29 appamajig: '...' is an ellipsis Jul 16 22:10:36 I just want a super nintendo emulator Jul 16 22:10:39 ah, lol... gotcha Jul 16 22:10:42 and a word process Jul 16 22:10:42 r Jul 16 22:10:42 more than one ellipsis is ellipses Jul 16 22:10:43 or Jul 16 22:10:55 torchie: reachin for the stars Jul 16 22:10:58 i have a computer for a word processor Jul 16 22:11:00 :D Jul 16 22:11:12 I knew that, but I didnt' remember that I did Jul 16 22:11:16 that reminds me, i need to get a good calendaring/todo system setup before i leave and abandon exchange Jul 16 22:11:36 any bump past the latest OMAP, A4, hummingbird feels a bit... Jul 16 22:11:39 ..masturbatory Jul 16 22:11:40 abandon exchange? Jul 16 22:11:44 are you sure the plural of ellipsis isn't ellipsi? Jul 16 22:11:47 blasphemy Jul 16 22:11:52 until we get to the next major jump Jul 16 22:11:54 ellipsum Jul 16 22:12:06 no, wait Jul 16 22:12:13 fail Jul 16 22:12:40 wait Jul 16 22:12:45 appamajig: yes, i'm sure Jul 16 22:12:47 theres a selfdestruct in the droid x? Jul 16 22:12:51 hi all! Jul 16 22:13:02 The Motorola Droid X: It doesn't have a gyroscope. Jul 16 22:13:35 http://blogs.computerworld.com/16551/motorola_droid_x Jul 16 22:13:44 yeah, you're right maik, but you don't get points for knowing that... Jul 16 22:13:46 the Droid X has a feature called "eFuse" in its processor that renders the phone useless if you try to install a custom ROM. Jul 16 22:13:46 no gyroscope Jul 16 22:13:50 andrew kim, not anthony, oops Jul 16 22:13:55 appamajig: the hell i don't Jul 16 22:13:55 eFuse? doesn't sound like a gyroscope Jul 16 22:14:05 i bought a mini2440 arm9 device can i install webos on it? Jul 16 22:14:13 I must track(stalk) his business moves Jul 16 22:14:14 maik: no, really, you don't... sorry, it's just the way it is. Jul 16 22:14:36 dekan: ATTACK appamajig Jul 16 22:14:36 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Jul 16 22:14:39 lol Jul 16 22:14:39 *sigh* Jul 16 22:14:45 you get points for that, though Jul 16 22:14:46 we'll call it a draw Jul 16 22:14:56 haha Jul 16 22:15:41 if you ever write an app that has to do something which may fail, please don't ever put an error message which states "Completed with an error" Jul 16 22:15:44 because it didn't fucking complete Jul 16 22:16:04 it should popup and say "An error didn't occur" Jul 16 22:16:14 lol true that Jul 16 22:16:15 "Failed miserably with an error" is much more accurate Jul 16 22:16:20 or maybe Jul 16 22:16:21 heh Jul 16 22:16:24 "WHAT DID YOU DO?" Jul 16 22:16:26 I like "died in a fire" Jul 16 22:16:27 i prefer to use the error message: ''Something happened.' Jul 16 22:16:44 or "It isn't incomplete" Jul 16 22:16:50 or Jul 16 22:16:53 and "I don't know where it's not" Jul 16 22:16:59 I think what they mean by that, is that it tried and failed and that it's done trying... and so the operation is complete, but it failed Jul 16 22:17:05 "my bad" Jul 16 22:17:09 "An error [error num] occured on line [line num]" Jul 16 22:17:11 "Well, this is embarrassing." Jul 16 22:17:16 but without actual numbers, just the brackets Jul 16 22:17:16 "Woopsies!" Jul 16 22:17:22 heh Jul 16 22:17:45 i got a spam message the other day that was like Jul 16 22:17:51 hey %name%, Jul 16 22:18:00 haha! those are the best Jul 16 22:18:15 I tried to reply once and explain what they were doing wrong... but it was a spoofed email anyway Jul 16 22:18:23 haha Jul 16 22:18:27 here's an informative one though Jul 16 22:18:33 "Not enough space on disk" Jul 16 22:18:38 "hello I am nice girl" <-- favorite email Jul 16 22:18:53 at first i thought "what the fuck, it's a fresh install on a 120GB drive" Jul 16 22:18:59 then i see it says 12.0Kb free Jul 16 22:19:07 KB* Jul 16 22:19:19 silly sendmail not being installed.... Jul 16 22:19:47 :O Jul 16 22:19:51 BEEEP BOOOOOOOP Jul 16 22:20:11 1.4.5 now? Jul 16 22:20:22 no Jul 16 22:21:00 how about now Jul 16 22:21:12 and..... Jul 16 22:21:17 now! Jul 16 22:21:21 no. Jul 16 22:21:33 whatabout......... Jul 16 22:21:35 WHAT Jul 16 22:21:38 no? Jul 16 22:21:39 oh. Jul 16 22:21:40 now! Jul 16 22:21:46 updates Jul 16 22:21:47 refresh Jul 16 22:22:00 dekan: is 1.4.5 out yet? Jul 16 22:22:00 NO! Jul 16 22:22:00 mayyyybeeeee Jul 16 22:22:03 1.4.5 is slow :x oh noes.. Jul 16 22:22:10 YAY ITS THERE! Jul 16 22:22:11 NOW!? Jul 16 22:22:17 I like 2.0.0 better Jul 16 22:22:54 digitalpowers: look what i found -> Jul 16 22:22:58 hm, ich pressd reboot buttom bevor 10 minutes :x boot screen... Jul 16 22:23:04 dekan: is 1.4.5 out now? Jul 16 22:23:04 NO! Jul 16 22:23:08 *sigh* Jul 16 22:23:10 now? Jul 16 22:23:29 what did you find maik? Jul 16 22:23:33 look -> Jul 16 22:23:37 webos-info: reason for delay Jul 16 22:23:38 Looky here: reason for delay is http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8109 Jul 16 22:23:38 wait, do you ahve a user list in pidgin? Jul 16 22:23:59 i do but it is small Jul 16 22:24:04 did you find a jake glasswalker? Jul 16 22:24:34 yup Jul 16 22:24:55 Jakeglasswalker: mega nickname highlight power go! Jul 16 22:25:19 lol Jul 16 22:26:58 dekan: something random Jul 16 22:26:58 me Galileo Galileo Galileo Figaro Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o Jul 16 22:27:04 * maik pats dekan Jul 16 22:27:04 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Jul 16 22:27:45 pdk hot app has begun Jul 16 22:28:09 rollsix Jul 16 22:28:09 3 Jul 16 22:28:13 yay dice! Jul 16 22:29:24 ugh Jul 16 22:29:42 * maik gives dekan torchie's disgust Jul 16 22:29:42 Okay, maik. Jul 16 22:29:51 dekan: inventory Jul 16 22:29:51 * dekan contains a stick, an empty bottle, a banana, maik's Pre, and torchie's disgust. Jul 16 22:29:52 KILL! KILL! Jul 16 22:29:58 halfhalo_class: you like it. Jul 16 22:30:10 no, i shall break it Jul 16 22:30:25 :D Jul 16 22:30:27 please do Jul 16 22:30:42 then i can tell the devs and work on fixing it :) Jul 16 22:30:48 which would give me something to do Jul 16 22:31:05 speaking of which... Jul 16 22:31:11 digitalpowers: what was i talking about adding the other day Jul 16 22:31:26 uhm Jul 16 22:31:27 every time i see torchies nick, i think of towelie Jul 16 22:31:39 idk why Jul 16 22:31:40 don't forget to bring a torch! Jul 16 22:31:40 i dont remember what you were going to add Jul 16 22:31:43 you better get the excuse plugin working for that bot now.... Jul 16 22:32:01 at least torchie wouldn't have to worry about fire when he gets high Jul 16 22:32:10 halfhalo_class: what does it do? Jul 16 22:32:19 you gotta use "you're a torch!" Jul 16 22:32:59 :D Jul 16 22:33:08 you're a torch! Jul 16 22:33:18 does that mean you're flaim? Jul 16 22:33:23 flaim=flamin Jul 16 22:33:38 lol Jul 16 22:33:42 you trying to say torchie is a homosexual? Jul 16 22:34:35 nah I'm jut fabulous Jul 16 22:34:45 lol! Jul 16 22:34:48 FABulous Jul 16 22:35:02 being fabulous does NOT mean you're a homosexual Jul 16 22:35:09 Mistah fab Jul 16 22:35:12 appamajig, flaim is fine Jul 16 22:35:12 saying fabulous, though, does. Jul 16 22:35:17 its pronouced the same ;p Jul 16 22:35:19 you're a torch! Jul 16 22:35:19 Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, torch! Jul 16 22:35:25 haha Jul 16 22:35:30 lol Jul 16 22:35:39 i hate dekan Jul 16 22:35:45 Me to Jul 16 22:35:50 webos-info is where it's at! Jul 16 22:35:53 heh Jul 16 22:35:53 dekan, when will you die? Jul 16 22:35:53 I don't know anything about that. Jul 16 22:35:57 webos-info clap Jul 16 22:36:00 webos-info: clap Jul 16 22:36:01 * webos-info clap clap clap! WOO! \o/ Jul 16 22:36:16 He only talks when talked to Jul 16 22:36:37 and he's a mirc bot, so feel free to exploit him Jul 16 22:37:23 mirc bot.. lol Jul 16 22:37:43 Hah Jul 16 22:37:45 i used to run a few eggdrop bots like.. 10+yrs ago Jul 16 22:37:54 He's on my computer I never use Jul 16 22:38:01 So thought why the hell not Jul 16 22:38:08 makes good sense Jul 16 22:38:15 dekan's on my Mini server Jul 16 22:38:32 For some reason, my computer hates staying awake unless I use a client like mIRC Jul 16 22:38:59 you could turn off sleep... Jul 16 22:39:40 or hire someone to constantly move the mouse Jul 16 22:39:50 i'll take that job Jul 16 22:40:10 i love the mountains Jul 16 22:40:10 i love the clear blue sky Jul 16 22:40:15 mirc is so........ Jul 16 22:40:21 ugly? is that the right word? Jul 16 22:40:31 kesne, just install VNC and pay someone :P Jul 16 22:40:42 yes, pay me! Jul 16 22:40:51 and i'll write an app to do it while i rake in the dough Jul 16 22:40:56 who is turbo24prg Jul 16 22:41:07 your mom Jul 16 22:41:35 hah Jul 16 22:43:25 friggen palms 'settled' download count is 300 off the actual.. Jul 16 22:43:28 still not a single signal attenuation video for palm pre Jul 16 22:43:29 i hate that Jul 16 22:57:33 so palm started the competition even though the masses cannot download pdk apps Jul 16 22:58:23 makes good sense, if you think about it Jul 16 22:58:29 anyone on bell? what kind of pdk apps are in the catalog. from what i hear it's just for games Jul 16 22:59:16 it makes sense to start a competition when the players cannot participate? Jul 16 22:59:57 "masses" doesn't include everywhere but the us? Jul 16 23:00:13 OH YOU CAUGHT ME! I WAS BEING SARACSTIC BUT YOU'RE TOO SLY! Jul 16 23:00:32 :D Jul 16 23:00:38 oh, wirc on bell, 030? Jul 16 23:01:03 well the bulk of webos users are in the USA Jul 16 23:01:36 Palm never released how many phones they sold. I wonder what the numbers look like Jul 16 23:03:08 Pandora got just over 2 million downloads. I wonder if there are at least 3 million webos users out there. I doubt it Jul 16 23:03:48 i wish emergency lights would get that many Jul 16 23:05:15 the app catalog search has been broken forever Jul 16 23:07:12 1.4.5 :( Jul 16 23:07:56 * oilsworkn frowns with pandora-- :( Jul 16 23:07:58 Guywhodoesnthave1.4.5saywhat? Jul 16 23:08:15 WHAT Jul 16 23:08:15 dekan: is 1.4.5 out yet? Jul 16 23:08:15 NO! Jul 16 23:08:24 * oilsworkn hands pandora tissue Jul 16 23:08:32 since the competition started anyone know what''s new in the catalog Jul 16 23:08:41 someday we'll find out that someway somehow Jul 16 23:08:47 palm sold 2 million phones in one day Jul 16 23:08:48 Barely anything is new. Jul 16 23:09:11 Guess what? Jul 16 23:09:14 do you not see the PDK apps until the update? Jul 16 23:11:54 botsnack Jul 16 23:11:54 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 16 23:12:06 i see nothing new in the catalog Jul 16 23:12:13 i want 1.4.5 Jul 16 23:12:16 still not seein it Jul 16 23:12:24 deliver unto me the ones of point four five Jul 16 23:13:37 heh Jul 16 23:13:40 and I will sweetly loving you Jul 16 23:13:47 you're a torch! Jul 16 23:13:47 Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, torch! Jul 16 23:13:49 grammar fail Jul 16 23:13:51 :P Jul 16 23:13:54 lol Jul 16 23:21:42 there's a tear... Jul 16 23:21:49 wich is a good mp3player for palmpre?:) Jul 16 23:21:58 BigBiff_pre: in the space-time continuum? Jul 16 23:22:13 tear rhymes with fear Jul 16 23:22:24 tear also rhymes with fair Jul 16 23:22:27 Music Jul 16 23:22:28 *think about it* Jul 16 23:22:30 :D Jul 16 23:22:42 there's a tear in my beer... Jul 16 23:22:43 there's music remix which adds lyrics and feels faster but Jul 16 23:22:50 hah Jul 16 23:22:51 cause im Jul 16 23:23:02 i have a thing for keeping everything default Jul 16 23:23:15 or TuneWiki which lets you search and find ANY lyrics (then play the youtube video for it) Jul 16 23:23:18 even if you don't have the music Jul 16 23:23:30 is that a music player? Jul 16 23:23:49 cause I'm cryin for ya dear Jul 16 23:24:00 alabama arkansas Jul 16 23:24:40 jambalaya and a crawfish pie and a.. Jul 16 23:25:33 :/ Jul 16 23:25:56 file gumbo Jul 16 23:26:08 cause tonight I'm gonna Jul 16 23:26:13 see my Jul 16 23:26:46 :( Jul 16 23:26:55 cherimeo Jul 16 23:27:45 people should listen to more hank williams sr. Jul 16 23:27:58 heh Jul 16 23:31:43 this ones for rwhitby.. Jul 16 23:31:48 ahem Jul 16 23:32:01 (mi mi mi) Jul 16 23:32:21 waltzing matilda, waltzing matilda Jul 16 23:32:21 * rwhitby likes gumbo Jul 16 23:32:49 (thats all I remember) Jul 16 23:33:01 BigBiff_pre: are you singing the New South Wales version, or the Queensland version? Jul 16 23:33:13 old school version Jul 16 23:33:48 waltzing matilda .. (with me?) Jul 16 23:34:00 can't remember those 2 words Jul 16 23:34:03 http://www.nla.gov.au/epubs/waltzingmatilda/2-Vers-Queensland.html Jul 16 23:34:48 unless you're from the sunshine state, you've probably never heard either of the Queensland versions. Jul 16 23:34:54 oh. that's beyond me. I just remember from the olympics.. Jul 16 23:35:57 damn aussie swimmers won the relay that year Jul 16 23:36:02 :o Jul 16 23:36:11 bastidges Jul 16 23:36:16 heh Jul 16 23:36:37 * BigBiff_pre still has that recorded Jul 16 23:38:19 my dad had a heart attack in australia in 98 Jul 16 23:38:43 dekan: is 1.4.5 out now!??!?!?! Jul 16 23:38:43 there for 6 weeks Jul 16 23:38:43 NO! Jul 16 23:38:53 :((( Jul 16 23:39:00 maik: excellent question Jul 16 23:39:11 try it now Jul 16 23:39:39 dekan: is 1.4.5 out now!??!?!?! Jul 16 23:39:39 NO! Jul 16 23:39:46 i hate you Jul 16 23:39:58 lol Jul 16 23:41:55 it's amazing what *right click* -> Install as Administrator will do for you Jul 16 23:42:03 s/Install/Run/ Jul 16 23:42:10 maik: Win7? Jul 16 23:42:15 ya Jul 16 23:42:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jlv8F9cerA&NR=1 -- Explain this!! Jul 16 23:42:35 dude... i'm pretty sure i'm the one who started that linking craze Jul 16 23:42:39 for that video Jul 16 23:42:58 i just saw it for the first time Jul 16 23:43:15 it was an arbitrary related video to something i watched a few days ago, so i linked to someone in another irc network Jul 16 23:43:17 where'd you find it? Jul 16 23:43:19 so basicall dohtem, if you add mentos to coke the sugars react together and cause it to bubble up wildly Jul 16 23:43:20 digitalpowers: remember that? Jul 16 23:43:27 maik: i do Jul 16 23:43:50 digitalpowers: I knew that.... I just dont get why it causes the girl to have an epileptic seizure Jul 16 23:44:02 467129758917032157839021578917589321758932153268975705735329563298563290569021569015603921759803217 Jul 16 23:44:05 ookie ookie ookie ookie ookie! Jul 16 23:44:08 or whatever the hell she says Jul 16 23:44:46 I can calculate pi to the 34212152145th decimal. be amazed Jul 16 23:44:56 dekan: rollsix Jul 16 23:44:56 6 Jul 16 23:44:59 lies Jul 16 23:45:12 Anivrom: but can you recite it to that extent? Jul 16 23:45:16 dekan: die in a fire! Jul 16 23:45:16 Can't talk, zombies! Jul 16 23:45:30 dohtem: i figured, i was just pretending not to understand Jul 16 23:45:38 maik: negative. not after this many beers O_O Jul 16 23:45:40 nyukie nyukie nyukie! Jul 16 23:45:45 heh Jul 16 23:45:57 heh, asian 3 stooges Jul 16 23:46:41 kesne: Jul 16 23:49:44 irc class v2 being built now Jul 16 23:49:54 how bout now!? Jul 16 23:51:22 Anivrom: Jul 16 23:51:35 Hey there buddy! Jul 16 23:51:43 Just seeing if you're still alive Jul 16 23:52:41 news Jul 16 23:53:42 ~news Jul 16 23:53:57 I am alive Jul 16 23:54:04 dekan: is 1.4.5 out now!??!?! Jul 16 23:54:04 NO! Jul 16 23:54:10 :( Jul 16 23:55:11 owned Jul 16 23:55:33 You need to diclipline your bot for talking to you that way Jul 16 23:55:39 dicipline too* Jul 16 23:56:43 Anivrom: you caused that... tread wisely Jul 16 23:56:59 my DNS server has died, I guess Jul 16 23:57:10 * maik cowers from dekan Jul 16 23:57:10 MWAHAHAHHAHAhaaaaaa Jul 16 23:58:45 sugardave: 8.8.4.4 ! Jul 16 23:59:55 woo home time. two more days of this crap and i'm out of here Jul 17 00:00:23 O_O Jul 17 00:12:22 uh oh.. palm database crash Jul 17 00:12:28 ? Jul 17 00:12:38 http://developer.palm.com/ Jul 17 00:12:46 Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL Jul 17 00:12:47 hah Jul 17 00:18:51 where is dawm? Jul 17 00:19:02 right here noob Jul 17 00:19:03 :) Jul 17 00:20:09 dawm: I use two clients Jul 17 00:20:21 yeah i know, i couldnt recall which had that sound Jul 17 00:20:35 I know Jul 17 00:20:42 tweetdeck Jul 17 00:20:47 It's only in the Future video though Jul 17 00:20:53 I remember to turn it off in the others Jul 17 00:21:00 heh Jul 17 00:21:13 i replayed that section cause i thought i was hearing things Jul 17 00:21:16 Also: I deleted my facebook, but somehow it keeps getting reactived Jul 17 00:21:24 lol Jul 17 00:22:57 kesne: haha Jul 17 00:23:04 ? Jul 17 00:23:05 your friend Jul 17 00:23:06 s Jul 17 00:23:08 they want you back Jul 17 00:23:10 FOREVER Jul 17 00:23:41 No Jul 17 00:24:05 whyd you drop facebook? Jul 17 00:24:37 DROP facebook Jul 17 00:24:39 his mom kep tdisclosing embarrassing personal information about his relationships Jul 17 00:24:41 with men. Jul 17 00:24:42 SELECT tumblr Jul 17 00:24:46 men like me Jul 17 00:24:46 Hah Jul 17 00:24:48 torchie Jul 17 00:24:48 Not quite Jul 17 00:24:54 babe, come back to bed Jul 17 00:24:57 Anivrom: lol Jul 17 00:25:05 kesne: why? Jul 17 00:25:05 I ditched it because I kept wasting my time Jul 17 00:25:30 I dunno man facebook feels like the one social network you don't give up on Jul 17 00:25:32 there's like Jul 17 00:25:35 real mofuggas on there Jul 17 00:25:38 that you meat Jul 17 00:25:40 in person Jul 17 00:26:11 true Jul 17 00:26:14 kesne: also true Jul 17 00:26:22 it can be a time waster Jul 17 00:26:48 I hate it Jul 17 00:26:52 blehbidy bleh Jul 17 00:26:54 but, yeah, these are people that I want to keep in touch with more frequently than once a year, etc that might live far away Jul 17 00:27:35 like real life friends Jul 17 00:29:35 yup Jul 17 00:29:51 i don't friend coworkers on there either Jul 17 00:29:57 that's what linkedin is for Jul 17 00:30:10 pandora--, that all depends on what industry your in Jul 17 00:30:17 no one at my work knows what linkedin is .. Jul 17 00:30:27 heh Jul 17 00:30:40 i'm a software engineer in los angeles Jul 17 00:30:44 everyone is on linkedin Jul 17 00:31:07 i never login there, but i'm on it and so is EVERYBODY here Jul 17 00:31:36 geez Jul 17 00:31:43 if you're a software engineer in los angeles Jul 17 00:31:59 it's best to be on every social network ever Jul 17 00:33:07 1.4.5.1 is out! Jul 17 00:33:10 i am dling now Jul 17 00:33:30 ohshits Jul 17 00:33:37 WHAT Jul 17 00:33:44 torchie: yeah, networking is a really good thing in the industry Jul 17 00:33:54 I'm a bit scared Jul 17 00:33:59 I feel like I'd never know enough people Jul 17 00:34:01 wait Jul 17 00:34:06 torchie: hah Jul 17 00:34:08 or have a strong enough connection Jul 17 00:34:10 it said it was going to dl, but when i clicked to do so Jul 17 00:34:14 it showed me my updates Jul 17 00:34:16 checking for updates... Jul 17 00:34:24 i am not kidding though it said there was an update Jul 17 00:34:26 not just to apps Jul 17 00:34:31 Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Application updates are now available Jul 17 00:34:35 * torchie strangles digitalpowers Jul 17 00:34:47 now i am getting "unable to connect" Jul 17 00:34:49 i see no 1.4.5.1 update liarface Jul 17 00:34:58 it was there! Jul 17 00:34:59 nice try damage controlling Jul 17 00:35:00 jumbuck = sheep Jul 17 00:35:00 i swear Jul 17 00:35:16 dekan: is 1.4.5 out yet? Jul 17 00:35:16 NO! Jul 17 00:35:18 * BigBiff_pre learned something today Jul 17 00:35:18 damn Jul 17 00:35:59 pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gayo... Jul 17 00:36:25 cause tonight we gonna have some fun Jul 17 00:36:38 on the bayeau Jul 17 00:36:45 Hello all! Jul 17 00:36:52 maaaaaaan Jul 17 00:36:55 MAAAAAAAN Jul 17 00:36:58 * torchie dies. Jul 17 00:37:03 MMMMMMMAAAAAAAANNNNNNN Jul 17 00:37:21 MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN Jul 17 00:37:33 lame Jul 17 00:37:41 false calendar event Jul 17 00:37:42 thanks digitalpowers, now the chan is depressed Jul 17 00:38:02 webos-info: is 1.4.5 out yet? Jul 17 00:38:02 GIVE IT A REST, WILL YA!? Jul 17 00:38:03 DERP! Jul 17 00:38:15 1.4.5.1 Jul 17 00:38:15 1.4.5.1 is never coming Jul 17 00:38:32 I'm hoping webOS 1.4.5.1 Jul 17 00:38:37 can fix my clock issue Jul 17 00:38:54 where I have a bit of difficulty telling the hour of the day Jul 17 00:39:11 you see I don't wear a watch Jul 17 00:39:20 so I rely on my cellphone as timepiece Jul 17 00:39:32 but as my cellphone was rendered unreliable by strange circumstance Jul 17 00:39:40 i often, in public, have to ask people: Jul 17 00:39:43 what time is it? Jul 17 00:39:43 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 17 00:39:48 ADVENTURE TIME Jul 17 00:40:12 wow.. its helpful when people comment their code, but when every comment has a typo it makes me wonder about the author Jul 17 00:40:38 heh, what code are you referring to Jul 17 00:40:46 scoobysnack Jul 17 00:40:47 Scoobydoobeedoo! Jul 17 00:40:50 webos-info: 1.4.5.1 out yet? Jul 17 00:40:51 no, not yet. :( Jul 17 00:41:06 dawm: I feel like you're reading my code. Jul 17 00:41:12 lol no Jul 17 00:41:24 palm code? ;) Jul 17 00:41:30 yerp ;p Jul 17 00:41:39 your mom is code Jul 17 00:42:44 x37 flies over at 947 ;-) Jul 17 00:45:41 Leverage is an awesome show. Jul 17 00:45:56 Jul 17 00:46:32 Palm is on the back burner with the carriers i am sure Jul 17 00:50:05 yes Leverage is Jul 17 00:53:43 * sugardave finds the mysql node.js libraries. "Danger." Jul 17 00:54:38 ehhh Jul 17 00:54:45 none of em work right for mw Jul 17 00:54:48 me Jul 17 00:55:14 just testing this one...I was able to read some tables Jul 17 00:56:00 the problem with node is that it changes like every week Jul 17 00:56:19 stop upgrading :D Jul 17 00:56:36 but then newer modules dont work Jul 17 00:56:40 ok, get nodules Jul 17 00:56:43 now Jul 17 00:56:46 it is amazing Jul 17 00:56:48 nodules? Jul 17 00:56:59 dynamic module loading Jul 17 00:57:05 ah, cool Jul 17 00:59:18 run! Jul 17 01:01:32 off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of RFC1459 Jul 17 01:03:00 yerp ;p 1459 aint that IRC? Jul 17 01:03:07 mebe.... Jul 17 01:03:09 :p Jul 17 01:03:09 er yerp was supposed to be wait Jul 17 01:03:23 1459 is the only RFC i remember ;p Jul 17 01:03:32 and i honestly cannot remember why Jul 17 01:03:34 redoing this: http://github.com/halfhalo/Node.js-IRC/blob/master/irc.js Jul 17 01:04:40 i think i wrote a irc client in VB back around VB4 Jul 17 01:05:03 lol Jul 17 01:05:11 mines in js so it wins Jul 17 01:05:31 vb4 came out in win95 days ;p Jul 17 01:05:49 weeeeeeeeee Jul 17 01:05:50 was annoying since you could make 16bit or 32bit Jul 17 01:06:01 i heart mah stack class Jul 17 01:06:18 soooo much easier to have things like userlists and whatnot Jul 17 01:07:13 hello Jul 17 01:07:21 no se ingles Jul 17 01:07:59 I'm looking for images I can use on my website to show off my app - kind of like this: http://www.palm.com/us/assets/images/products/phones/detail/pre/features/organized_connected.jpg Jul 17 01:08:12 is there a resource pack for that sort of thing? looking, but not finding... Jul 17 01:08:35 not really.... Jul 17 01:08:36 There are no official ones Jul 17 01:09:06 im adding softlinking to my node.js stack soon Jul 17 01:09:07 just homemad photoshop Jul 17 01:09:13 it will be epic Jul 17 01:09:17 Fair enough. Do you know what the deal is if I just photoshop one of Palm's images? law suit, or 'meh that's fine'? Jul 17 01:09:40 So is node.js just serverside js? Jul 17 01:09:48 I doubt a lawsuit Jul 17 01:09:48 yes, node.js is serverside js Jul 17 01:10:10 worst case, they'd ask you to take it down Jul 17 01:10:12 It's "meh, it's fine" Jul 17 01:10:15 They never care Jul 17 01:10:20 I doubt it thoug Jul 17 01:10:20 I've used images before Jul 17 01:10:35 I say steal Jul 17 01:10:40 do it Jul 17 01:10:48 do it Jul 17 01:11:03 DO IT Jul 17 01:11:06 Yeah, sounds like a plan. I'll email them and say "this is what I've done", so if they don't like it they can say. Jul 17 01:11:06 Ask dawm Jul 17 01:11:11 But i already stole the car.... Jul 17 01:11:15 email chuq Jul 17 01:11:16 huh? Jul 17 01:11:16 They really don't care Jul 17 01:11:18 he knows all Jul 17 01:11:23 They genuinely do not care Jul 17 01:11:27 :) cheers Jul 17 01:11:30 Technically you're supposed to get them approved Jul 17 01:11:43 but this is webos. Were chill like that Jul 17 01:11:49 make your own image Jul 17 01:12:09 I'm leaving for a bit Jul 17 01:12:10 later Jul 17 01:12:10 steal/modify Jul 17 01:12:15 aww Jul 17 01:12:42 http://www.biocandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ringwhere-swapndrop_splash.png Jul 17 01:14:58 dawm: nice Jul 17 01:15:59 i have a newer one that i was going to use for something, lets just say the gesture area works as it should ;P Jul 17 01:18:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCRE9qOgbug Jul 17 01:18:47 LOL Jul 17 01:20:26 I can use SDL_SetVideoMode with standard 2D, but it fails when I try to set it to OpenGL Jul 17 01:20:33 Does anyone know why that might happen? Jul 17 01:21:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGrHBpfqCo&feature=youtube_gdata Jul 17 01:21:49 nice Jul 17 01:23:02 elyon: you're doing it wrong Jul 17 01:23:22 What version of SDL do they use on the device? Jul 17 01:26:10 according to the forums Jul 17 01:26:16 its a hybrid of 1.2 and 1.3 Jul 17 01:26:29 with a roughly 10,000 line patch :> Jul 17 01:26:47 yah 1.2 heavliy patched Jul 17 01:27:07 If I do it like this, it says that "it cannot find a matching EGL config" Jul 17 01:27:09 screen = SDL_SetVideoMode(0, 0, 0, SDL_OPENGL); Jul 17 01:27:19 If I do the same with SDL_FULLSCREEN instead, it works Jul 17 01:28:08 Here's a question, though Jul 17 01:28:18 Do you always need to set SDL_GL_CONTEXT_MAJOR_VERSION? Jul 17 01:28:29 elyon: you only need it if you're using 1.1 Jul 17 01:28:31 it defaults to 2.0 Jul 17 01:28:34 When I tried to include that line from Palm's example, it said that it was not defined in the current context Jul 17 01:28:35 in my experience, unless it changed Jul 17 01:28:41 I get it Jul 17 01:28:55 The framework I'm using must have been created for devices which use 1.1 only Jul 17 01:28:59 I think it's all 1.1 code Jul 17 01:29:22 But it says that SDL_GL_CONTEXT_MAJOR_VERSION is undefined in the current context ... am I missing a header or something? Jul 17 01:45:31 does SDL on palm use the mouse functions for touchscreen input? Jul 17 01:54:00 it does indeed Jul 17 01:54:20 torchie: sdl does use mouse inputs for the touch screen Jul 17 01:56:59 hrm Jul 17 01:58:13 anything to know or do before installing a new version of the SDK? Jul 17 02:01:08 dohtem: just remove the old version Jul 17 02:03:54 what happens if you Jul 17 02:03:55 don't Jul 17 02:25:27 it's quiet around here.... too quiet.... Jul 17 02:28:48 ahhhhhhhhh! Jul 17 02:28:51 loud enough? Jul 17 02:28:53 botsnack Jul 17 02:28:53 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 17 02:33:52 hello all Jul 17 02:34:35 hello basm Jul 17 02:34:52 dekan: 101 Jul 17 02:34:52 haeffb: 101 Jul 17 02:35:07 dekan: 101 is http://www.webos101.com Jul 17 02:35:07 Okay, haeffb. Jul 17 02:35:12 dekan 101 Jul 17 02:35:17 dekan: 101 Jul 17 02:35:17 101 is http://www.webos101.com Jul 17 02:35:24 :O Jul 17 02:35:30 dekan: help Jul 17 02:35:30 So's your face. Jul 17 02:35:46 webos-info: 101 is http://webos101.com Jul 17 02:35:47 Roger Jul 17 02:35:52 webos-info: help is http://webos101.com Jul 17 02:36:03 webos-info: 101 Jul 17 02:36:03 Hah, that's easy, 101 is http://webos101.com Jul 17 02:36:08 battle bots? Jul 17 02:36:46 is anyone here familiar with developing in ares? Jul 17 02:36:47 webos-info: show haeffb webos help Jul 17 02:36:47 Well gosh, I dunno... Jul 17 02:36:50 Darn! Jul 17 02:36:58 basm: ask Anivrom Jul 17 02:37:00 webos-info: tell haeffb about help Jul 17 02:37:00 Factoid 'help' Does Not Exist Tibfib Jul 17 02:37:08 Oh Jul 17 02:37:21 webos-info: tell haeffb about webos help Jul 17 02:37:21 told haeffb about 'webos help' kesne Jul 17 02:37:23 kesne: pm or just on here? Jul 17 02:37:37 basm: I'm sure you'll get his attention either way Jul 17 02:37:42 kk Jul 17 02:39:16 can someone help me? Jul 17 02:39:16 http://webos101.com/ Jul 17 02:39:20 :P Jul 17 02:40:02 what kind of help is that? Jul 17 02:40:19 a good kind Jul 17 02:40:52 dekan: dev is http://developer.palm.com Jul 17 02:40:52 Okay, haeffb. Jul 17 02:41:26 dekan: ref is http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1654&Itemid=237 Jul 17 02:41:27 Okay, haeffb. Jul 17 02:41:33 dekan: forget dev Jul 17 02:41:33 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Jul 17 02:41:41 dekan: dev Jul 17 02:41:41 dev is http://developer.palm.com Jul 17 02:41:49 webos-info: show digitalpowers webos help Jul 17 02:41:50 Well gosh, I dunno... Jul 17 02:41:53 :O Jul 17 02:41:57 DARN it's tell Jul 17 02:42:11 webos-info: tell digitalpowers webos help Jul 17 02:42:11 Please Include The About Identifier Jul 17 02:42:17 Ugh Jul 17 02:42:23 dekan: lib is http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1852&Itemid=20 Jul 17 02:42:24 Okay, haeffb. Jul 17 02:42:25 webos-info: tell digitalpowers about webos help Jul 17 02:42:26 told digitalpowers about 'webos help' kesne Jul 17 02:42:53 dekan: lib Jul 17 02:42:53 lib is http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1852&Itemid=20 Jul 17 02:43:16 neato Jul 17 02:44:00 heh Jul 17 02:46:15 dekan: index is http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1784&Itemid=26 Jul 17 02:46:16 Okay, Tibfib. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 17 02:59:56 2010