**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 02:59:56 2010 Jul 20 03:00:09 does this do something in Safari or Chrome? http://almaer.com/webosplayground/ Jul 20 03:00:17 it works in chrome Jul 20 03:00:26 Thanks though! This damn bus ride home always drives me nuts... Jul 20 03:00:26 just takes a while Jul 20 03:00:46 something cool enough to install Chrome? Jul 20 03:00:57 haeffb: no, probably not Jul 20 03:01:06 ok :) Jul 20 03:01:29 It has a few widgets samples with the code and rendered widget Jul 20 03:04:01 ok, macports arm-elf-gcc does the same thing Jul 20 03:04:08 * Amaranth stabs hxcpp Jul 20 03:09:41 elyon: haxe itself seems to be dependent on those $ being there Jul 20 03:10:22 So haxe is generating them, the problem is hxcpp isn't stripping them out and I'm going to have to read and understand most of this 3000 line compiler to figure it out, I think Jul 20 03:12:01 hi Jul 20 03:12:16 anyone get the 1.4.5 update that lives in the US yet ? Jul 20 03:12:47 elyon: So I guess talk to hugh and see if he can do it :) Jul 20 03:12:58 techrush: Nope Jul 20 03:13:04 :[ Jul 20 03:13:30 techrush: You'll get it September 30th Jul 20 03:13:35 oh Jul 20 03:13:37 really ? Jul 20 03:13:49 I'll ask Jul 20 03:13:58 So it compiles with G++, but not with GCC? Jul 20 03:14:02 Is that the problem? Jul 20 03:15:07 elyon: No, it doesn't compile at all Jul 20 03:15:22 elyon: gcc has two meanings, sorry Jul 20 03:15:46 I was talking about the GNU Compiler Suite, that includes gcc and g++ Jul 20 03:16:12 No GCC for ARM I can find or compile will build this code Jul 20 03:16:15 So if you use either compiler, it fails because of the $ signs? Jul 20 03:16:17 gcc or g++ Jul 20 03:16:17 Okay Jul 20 03:19:40 according to gnu, the $ are not compatible with all assemblers Jul 20 03:20:31 your money is no good here Jul 20 03:28:12 nice one Jul 20 03:30:35 just spent 2 hours on the phone with sprint customer service with no luck.....webos doctor fixed me up in about 15 minutes :) Jul 20 03:30:38 should have known Jul 20 03:32:04 techrush: what was your problem? Jul 20 03:32:18 i spent a total of 5 hours with sprint support today. wow. Jul 20 03:32:51 sprint tv and navigation features stopped working after they ported my number Jul 20 03:40:13 alright so what are some cool apps Jul 20 03:40:21 everybody recommend their own Jul 20 03:42:14 ihate411 Jul 20 03:42:27 one of mine, pretty popular and cheap right now :) Jul 20 03:42:34 i use it all the time, personally Jul 20 03:43:50 i also wrote: Yalm, iBored, TuneWiki Lyrics Search Jul 20 03:46:30 yo yo Jul 20 03:47:37 Heyyo Jul 20 03:49:40 Hi, does anyone know the complete app id for the palm app catalog? Jul 20 03:50:21 how is the pdk competition coming Jul 20 03:51:30 dunno, don't have 1.4.5 yet :P Jul 20 03:51:50 Not much happenin on pdk Jul 20 03:56:10 can't figure out how to print "hello world" using PDK on the device... Jul 20 04:06:33 anyone know how I can reload a scene in the emulator with a command? Jul 20 04:08:07 LoneStar99: don't think you can via command line, but you could just add in a simple swapScene function Jul 20 04:08:34 WOO Jul 20 04:08:45 time to pray that this card'll work in the app catalog Jul 20 04:08:52 any visa should be fine, right? Jul 20 04:09:02 yay for torchie Jul 20 04:09:08 time to splurge Jul 20 04:09:12 splurge hard Jul 20 04:09:17 splurge the 20 dollars on this non reloadable card Jul 20 04:09:19 Tibfib: ok, thanks, have a webview, and it seems to always be cached, need to release it from cache Jul 20 04:09:21 oh and happy birthday Jul 20 04:09:22 !!! Jul 20 04:09:26 thank you :D Jul 20 04:10:56 LoneStar99: oh, hmm. Not sure how to solve that one Jul 20 04:11:28 dont think you can since the emulator is setup to emulate webos and webos doesn't have a way of doing that itself Jul 20 04:11:34 either Jul 20 04:14:08 Tibfib: found "clearCache" but not sure where to implement it Jul 20 04:14:18 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1935&Itemid=313 Jul 20 04:17:36 LoneStar99: this.controller.get("webview").mojo.clearCache() ? Jul 20 04:18:16 oops lol, I responded to this question: anyone know how I can reload a scene in the emulator with a command? Jul 20 04:18:22 Guess I should keep up with the convo Jul 20 04:18:49 and I wasn't thinking about command line :P double fail Jul 20 04:24:24 Tibfib: for some reason it is not working... Jul 20 04:27:33 LoneStar99: hmm, did you check logs? Jul 20 04:27:45 :O debugging magically started working while testing on the phone in ares. Jul 20 04:29:24 Tibfib: seems it needs to be placed in activate not setup.... Jul 20 04:35:43 oh, yeah. I think that's because the widget isn't setup yep...something like that Jul 20 04:35:46 night all Jul 20 04:48:31 is their any reason having my pixi in developer mode should cause UI lag ? Jul 20 04:49:50 Hey what isos do you guys have in your .VirtualBox\HardDisks folder? Jul 20 04:52:18 Jw, what does 'that' mean in js? Jul 20 05:00:04 if (this.Status.bond !== 0 && (this.State == "ting" || this.Direction === 0)) { stuff to execute} Jul 20 05:00:28 That will pass if bond doesn't = 0 and if either of the 2nd brackets are met? Jul 20 05:00:32 Am I able to do that? Jul 20 05:00:39 nested ifs like bedmas in math? Jul 20 05:06:12 Nvm did a test and got my answer of Yes Jul 20 05:15:42 Night guys, whoever's left Jul 20 05:29:16 yo Jul 20 05:30:18 so Jul 20 05:30:35 the greendot server still considers me to be under 18 Jul 20 05:30:45 so I discovered I could have activated the card anyway Jul 20 05:31:03 so I bought my first app! Jul 20 05:31:14 grats Jul 20 05:31:18 whatd you buy Jul 20 05:31:23 asphalt 5 Jul 20 05:31:27 ah Jul 20 05:31:32 now I'm getting the scratch word processor, that's a definite Jul 20 05:31:52 buy preware, buy preware. Jul 20 05:31:55 I guess since I have 10bux it's 2 games, two productivity Jul 20 05:32:01 wait a minute rwhitby Jul 20 05:32:08 wait a cotton pickin minute! Jul 20 05:32:16 preware is too expensive. Jul 20 05:32:42 OH MY GOD TWEE Jul 20 05:32:44 I CAN BUY TWEE Jul 20 05:32:51 1.50 Jul 20 05:33:17 yeah, I went from tweed to bad kitty to twee2 Jul 20 05:33:31 I've been alternating between tweed and spaz Jul 20 05:33:40 tweed's picture posting is kind of stupid Jul 20 05:33:48 spaz's interface is frustrating Jul 20 05:34:20 alright so I got asphalt, twee, and scratch Jul 20 05:34:52 think I can only get one more app Jul 20 05:36:12 Pronto Dial Jul 20 05:36:36 what's it do Jul 20 05:39:04 ehhh i dunno Jul 20 05:40:13 drpodder! Jul 20 06:17:59 ugh twee won't authorize me Jul 20 06:21:45 anyone here a dev? Jul 20 06:26:23 ya Jul 20 06:27:01 i am getting a surprising amount of performance out of SDL_Mixer Jul 20 06:31:04 ur a dev? Jul 20 06:32:00 Good morning Jul 20 06:32:00 good morning hotdp Jul 20 06:33:22 morning. dekan, are you a dev¿ Jul 20 06:33:42 most of us are Jul 20 06:33:53 dekan: are you a bot? Jul 20 06:33:53 i'm not a bot! kesne is a bot! Jul 20 06:34:10 what do you need Ki11er? Jul 20 06:37:30 I'd like a patch made. Jul 20 06:37:59 you probably want webos-internals this channel is mostly about mojo and pdk development Jul 20 06:38:22 idk how to get to that channel. Jul 20 06:53:54 dekan: how are you? Jul 20 06:53:54 Okay, hotdp. Jul 20 06:56:09 Hey, has anyone had trouble getting a PDK app to run? Jul 20 06:56:21 It runs from /media/internal, but doesn't run when I've packaged it up Jul 20 06:57:32 Oh, never mind Jul 20 06:57:34 got it Jul 20 07:01:23 good Jul 20 07:26:43 Didn't have the right file permissions set for the executable :) Jul 20 07:43:23 It will be some time before the link is populated, but I submitted a physaxe demo to the web distribution channel Jul 20 07:43:49 Everyone is probably asleep, but FYI :) Jul 20 07:44:31 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.eclecticdesignstudio.physaxedemo Jul 20 11:28:08 afternoon Jul 20 11:39:51 Hello swisstomcat Jul 20 11:40:13 hi hotdp Jul 20 11:41:00 Anything new? Jul 20 11:43:05 not much Jul 20 11:44:13 I am news hungry.. Jul 20 11:49:12 did you see all the posts about the mobilemonday yesterday? Jul 20 11:49:12 on webosroundup Jul 20 11:50:41 hallo noaXess Jul 20 11:50:46 hey Jul 20 11:50:50 did you see "Palm was hiring" Jul 20 11:51:24 yeah Jul 20 11:51:30 how's your pre plus, noaXess Jul 20 11:52:17 swisstomcat: can't get it @ O2 cause it's available in august Jul 20 11:53:10 :/ Jul 20 11:53:10 digitec? Jul 20 12:19:02 hmm, no pre plus at digitec either (available late july) Jul 20 12:31:28 noaXess: i might have a second-hand pre available Jul 20 13:08:55 I'm getting a lot of app store errors... is it on my end? Jul 20 13:11:24 let me check Jul 20 13:12:25 trying to hit http://developer.palm.com/apredirect/?packageid=net.thauvin.erik.webos.pingfm ... comes up to the warning trinagle with a bang in it Jul 20 13:12:55 but sometimes clicking on apps in the listing is giving me sorta the same deal... Jul 20 13:13:01 works here Jul 20 13:13:12 k Jul 20 13:13:19 I'll reboot and see if I still get that Jul 20 13:13:20 let me check some of my apps Jul 20 13:13:30 I was getting this last night a little too Jul 20 13:13:40 it was kinda on and off Jul 20 13:14:10 they all work Jul 20 13:14:38 trying one more time... Jul 20 13:14:50 (I hate rebooting and try to keep it to one a day or so) Jul 20 13:15:47 still throbbing... weird Jul 20 13:19:33 Can I dynamicaly add an object to my scene Jul 20 13:19:47 I have it all written out in a string Jul 20 13:20:18 that should work, yes Jul 20 13:22:51 if the Ev icon is there, regardless of color, I should get data right? Jul 20 13:52:59 morning all Jul 20 13:53:21 torchie, only if the letters are white Jul 20 13:53:53 in theory, it's still connected when they're black, but no data is flowing Jul 20 14:04:38 morning hattczech Jul 20 14:10:39 strange Jul 20 14:10:50 my pre's been in the habit of showing the gray ev icon Jul 20 14:10:58 and when I try to do something that requires data Jul 20 14:11:06 icon doesn't light up or anything, and I get connection errors Jul 20 14:37:39 I wonder who is leading the pdk competition Jul 20 14:45:01 heh Jul 20 14:45:05 how many pdk apps are there? Jul 20 14:47:10 I don't even know Jul 20 14:47:32 I don't even have the update Jul 20 14:48:29 wonder when they're going to give us 1.4.5 Jul 20 14:50:32 yeah, that long delay seems strange Jul 20 15:06:30 Hello Jul 20 15:06:41 good morning Jul 20 15:06:41 good morning digitalpowers Jul 20 15:06:45 I'm trying to find how to implement Universal Search in my app Jul 20 15:07:01 Any pointer, please? Jul 20 15:09:30 morning Jul 20 15:09:36 jcouto: a filtered list? Jul 20 15:10:18 I mean, I want to integrate Universal Search with my app Jul 20 15:10:26 I don't find the doc about this Jul 20 15:10:34 oh, i see Jul 20 15:11:48 i'd ask in the developer.palm.com forum Jul 20 15:11:54 it might be undocumented like synergy Jul 20 15:12:24 Hi all, I recently swapped my phone because the old one broke but before I turned it in I backed up my Palmdatabase.db3 file (Messaging history) and once I got the new phone I replaced this file with the old one and it worked beautifully. I am able to see all of my old text messages from before I swapped the phone but now I have a problem. For some reason the phone cannot save new text messages now. I see the preview of the message but when I ta Jul 20 15:12:59 Thanks, swisstomcat Jul 20 15:16:09 laterz Jul 20 15:19:09 Hey, how long does it take for an app to go up for web distribution? Jul 20 15:19:17 I thought it only took a couple hours Jul 20 15:50:45 elyon why web distro Jul 20 15:50:50 go for that catalog :) Jul 20 15:51:13 should only take a couple ours, usually around 2 Jul 20 15:55:55 morning, chuqui Jul 20 15:56:56 morning Jul 20 15:57:09 CTLAdvance: I figured I would go with web distribution, so people could try it out more quickly Jul 20 15:57:10 * halfhalo hides Jul 20 15:57:57 Oh, and it is a PDK app, so it would come under greater scrutiny Jul 20 15:58:19 I just want people to be able to see some physics knocking around :) Jul 20 15:58:47 1.4.5 hasn't been released in the US yet, so I'm not sure how long it would take for it to be approved for the app catalog Jul 20 15:59:02 But perhaps PDK apps for web distribution take longer than SDK apps? Jul 20 15:59:23 morning chuqui Jul 20 15:59:58 * CTLAdvance points to chuqui Jul 20 16:00:01 ask him Jul 20 16:00:11 (ducks) Jul 20 16:00:22 * CTLAdvance moves finger stay on target Jul 20 16:00:28 chuqui: Is there a difference in the process for PDK apps than SDK apps, for web distribution? Jul 20 16:00:56 omnomnom off to work Jul 20 16:01:00 no, not really. Jul 20 16:01:32 Okay. I submitted an app 8 or so hours ago, and I'm still waiting Jul 20 16:01:40 I guess I'm just anxious :) Jul 20 16:02:11 It does require 1.4.5 ... I don't know if that makes a difference Jul 20 16:05:22 they go through a scanning process to make sure they're not using any private apis, and it may be we still have the manual release button to push since 1.4.5 is still rolling out. Jul 20 16:05:41 (been out of the office a couple of days, not exactly sure whether we changed that or not) Jul 20 16:07:33 Ah, I see Jul 20 16:07:34 chuqui: seed me! Jul 20 16:07:46 Oh, right ... private apis Jul 20 16:07:47 that sounds vaguely dirty Jul 20 16:08:04 please :D Jul 20 16:08:44 Oh, sorry, not private apis Jul 20 16:08:55 Is freetype on the blacklist for libraries? Jul 20 16:10:27 chuqui: i emailed the pdc email asking for access to the webos dr 1.4.5 files since unwiredben said we could last night on the forum, if i do get access to them will you guys email the info to me or does it show up in the developer site somewhere? Jul 20 16:10:53 Well, whenever it works, the link will be http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.eclecticdesignstudio.physaxedemo Jul 20 16:11:05 I need to go through my emails. when I do, you'll get a note Jul 20 16:11:34 It's Flash code, running as a C++ app :) Jul 20 16:24:12 hrm Jul 20 16:33:42 suprised they haven't announced the winners yet Jul 20 16:37:17 alexfner: : ping Jul 20 16:37:51 deliciousmorsel: I'm not surprised , I don't put anything past any company even palm Jul 20 16:42:02 lol Jul 20 16:42:24 well the terms and conditions USED to read that the payment would go out for june's payment Jul 20 16:42:27 meaning july 20th Jul 20 16:42:40 however I just checked and they rewrote that section Jul 20 16:42:46 after the contest ended. Jul 20 16:42:53 they changed the terms of it. Jul 20 16:42:54 lol Jul 20 16:43:31 Well, as far as the app catalog goes ... Jul 20 16:43:44 Payment for sales in the month of June occurs by the end of August Jul 20 16:43:48 It's net 60 Jul 20 16:44:36 So maybe that is what they meant, if it said June's payment? Jul 20 16:44:36 actually thats incorrect Jul 20 16:44:43 Or that's what I was told Jul 20 16:44:45 on Jun 22nd Jul 20 16:44:49 i got my payment for May Jul 20 16:44:50 I haven't been paid yet :) Jul 20 16:44:57 May 21st Jul 20 16:45:02 I got my payment for April Jul 20 16:45:09 Well, three weeks is better than two months Jul 20 16:45:14 so ~20 days after the month ends Jul 20 16:45:20 That's cool. Well I think the terms allow for two months Jul 20 16:45:20 yes palm is great at getting payments out Jul 20 16:45:24 apple takes at least 60 days Jul 20 16:45:24 But three weeks is nice Jul 20 16:45:30 admob takes 40 days Jul 20 16:45:36 3 weeks is killer Jul 20 16:45:47 yeah the terms do probably allow for upto 2 months Jul 20 16:45:52 Wow, that would be cool if June came through soon Jul 20 16:46:05 That's the first month I had a paid app Jul 20 16:46:37 damn it Jul 20 16:46:54 i just noticed an email from AT&T saying I'd get a 50$ credit for completing a survey Jul 20 16:46:57 and i didn't do it Jul 20 16:46:58 lol Jul 20 16:47:11 a survey on my most recent palm cell phone purchase Jul 20 16:48:01 Hey, so I heard that the new version of Twee is cool ... Jul 20 16:48:11 i've heard that too Jul 20 16:48:14 But Twee Free is still the older version right? Jul 20 16:48:21 yeah TweeFree isn't being updated Jul 20 16:48:27 i'm pulling it from the catalog Jul 20 16:48:31 That makes sense. Ah, okay Jul 20 16:48:31 in a few days Jul 20 16:48:44 It's hard when you're your own worst competition :) Jul 20 16:48:51 yup lol Jul 20 16:49:15 i can't wait for the onslaught of emails when it stops working Jul 20 16:49:22 cause it uses Twitter's old API Jul 20 16:49:29 which will be turned off in august Jul 20 16:49:30 Now, does it remove it from ... oh, I see :) Jul 20 16:50:10 It's too bad you can't push out one final update, but remove it from the catalog Jul 20 16:50:16 So people upgrade, and the app warns them Jul 20 16:50:32 if i pushed out one final update it would to say "hey this is gonna stop working soon, please update to the paid version" Jul 20 16:50:36 Oh well. The price is still free Jul 20 16:50:40 Yeah Jul 20 16:50:50 yeah but free users are just as angry as paid people Jul 20 16:50:55 haha, true Jul 20 16:51:01 Even with paid people ... Jul 20 16:51:08 and some people have some crazy low iq's Jul 20 16:51:14 It's amazing how entitled we feel when we pay a buck for something Jul 20 16:51:27 I PAID $1.50 for THIS! Jul 20 16:51:33 I deserve the MOON! Jul 20 16:51:34 i get people like once a month saying they want refunds Jul 20 16:51:45 lol Jul 20 16:51:48 and i just tell them to call Palm since I never took their payment Jul 20 16:51:48 It's like the price of a double decker taco Jul 20 16:51:57 lol double decker ftw Jul 20 16:52:28 I ate this taco, and it was good, but it wasn't DOUBLE DECKER! I mean, not by my standards! Is a layer of beans REALLY cause to charge me extra over a normal taco? Jul 20 16:52:57 I want my money back. I ate it all, and I mostly liked it, but it doesn't meet my wonderful expectations! It didn't sing for me, so I deserve a refund Jul 20 16:53:10 No stars. Jul 20 16:53:14 Until you do Jul 20 16:53:40 lol Jul 20 16:54:14 I have two Bible applications on the app catalog ... Jul 20 16:54:25 any for sale? Jul 20 16:54:30 KJV? Jul 20 16:54:39 and sometimes people will buy the paid version, but then they'll be kind of frustrated because it didn't include a translation they wanted Jul 20 16:54:49 The irony is that the free version has just as many versions as the paid one Jul 20 16:55:13 so it has multiple versions? Jul 20 16:55:15 And that the translations they want are there ... they're just "online only", because I haven't been able to negotiate rights with the publilsher Jul 20 16:55:17 including king james? Jul 20 16:55:25 Oh, I made Bible Reader and Bible Reader Plus Jul 20 16:55:35 oh its plus Jul 20 16:55:38 what does plus get you? Jul 20 16:55:39 Not to be confused with Bible Reader KJV, ASV, etc ... Jul 20 16:55:56 you should make an iBooks app Jul 20 16:56:02 aka an ePub reader Jul 20 16:56:05 Yeah, it has ... umm ... 51? translations, plus 60 or so that are served through a website (internal browser) Jul 20 16:56:06 pretty simple Jul 20 16:56:11 it downloads apps... Jul 20 16:56:15 downloads ePubs Jul 20 16:56:17 and reads them Jul 20 16:56:21 The free version has the Bible, and it has 11 audio bibles Jul 20 16:56:24 i'd pay for a good ePub reader Jul 20 16:56:40 The plus version has notifications, reading plans, search, reports and a journal Jul 20 16:56:46 notifications? Jul 20 16:56:53 nightly notifications to remind you to read? Jul 20 16:56:55 Well, reminders Jul 20 16:56:58 Yeah Jul 20 16:57:00 word. Jul 20 16:57:12 The whole thing also uses the dashboard for audio playback, and for downloading chapters Jul 20 16:57:28 thats cool Jul 20 16:57:32 So it can download in the background while you read, instead of locking down your phone until it downloads an entire bible Jul 20 16:57:42 so are you gonna turn that source into an everything reader? Jul 20 16:57:46 Otherwise it just downloads and caches bibles one chapter at a time Jul 20 16:57:55 BYOB Jul 20 16:57:59 bring your own book Jul 20 16:58:06 Well, it could be adapted. Are there good resources for free books out there? Jul 20 16:58:12 Public domain stuff? Jul 20 16:58:14 yeah dude Jul 20 16:58:18 yeah tons of them Jul 20 16:58:28 http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page Jul 20 16:58:28 Or you're thinking something that would let you put your own stuff on /media/internal, and fire that up? Jul 20 16:58:31 Project Gutenberg is the place where you can download over 33,000 http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:No_Cost_or_Freedom%3F ebooks to read on your PC, http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:MobileReader_Devices_How-To. Jul 20 16:58:44 so you can go trhough gutenberg Jul 20 16:58:49 or type in your own url Jul 20 16:58:56 and it downloads the ePub file Jul 20 16:59:07 and you just put the final download location in a db Jul 20 16:59:18 so you can remember where its at Jul 20 16:59:26 and just parse the ePub Jul 20 16:59:30 I could call it "Brighthouse App Book Shop: Jul 20 16:59:48 Do you think that would be a good name for it? Jul 20 17:00:06 "Brighthouse App Book Labs Shop Plus" Jul 20 17:01:08 Well, if I really did it ... Jul 20 17:01:17 I might decide to host the content instead of ePub files Jul 20 17:01:23 Or ... how big is a book, do you think? Jul 20 17:01:41 I think Bible Reader turned out well, because everything is in a database Jul 20 17:01:48 So the phone requests a little at a time Jul 20 17:01:57 I could do the same thing with a normal book Jul 20 17:02:11 But then maybe provide standard ePub support as well Jul 20 17:02:17 100kb at most Jul 20 17:02:28 Really? Well if that's really the case, maybe that's fine Jul 20 17:02:32 its text Jul 20 17:02:35 and its based off HTML Jul 20 17:02:36 I guess the Bible is a lot bigger than most books :) Jul 20 17:02:38 its pretty simple Jul 20 17:02:42 yeah bible is huge Jul 20 17:02:46 Most Bibles are 1.2 MB + Jul 20 17:02:50 Maybe 6 MB Jul 20 17:03:03 And that isn't even Chinese, or other UTF-8 heavy languages Jul 20 17:03:18 yeah KJV is 2.2mb in ePub Jul 20 17:03:29 http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31709 Jul 20 17:03:30 It's been fun, though! I have a lot of languages working Jul 20 17:03:31 dl it Jul 20 17:03:43 and look at the ePub format Jul 20 17:03:44 I even got Hebrew to work, through a combination of images and Javascript Jul 20 17:03:52 Since webOS doesn't have font support Jul 20 17:03:54 hebrew lol Jul 20 17:03:56 speaking of bibles i wish i could use my olive tree bibles in one of the palm bible readers, anyone want to add that support? Jul 20 17:04:08 Which Bibles do you want to use? Jul 20 17:04:14 you know a ton about bibles Jul 20 17:04:24 i actually don't read very many religious stuff Jul 20 17:04:32 i just grew up in a very religious family Jul 20 17:04:44 but my bible knowledge doesn't extend beyond kjv Jul 20 17:04:48 Well, it's been a really interesting experience for me ... Jul 20 17:04:50 i have several kjv, nkjv some with strongs nubmers and dictionarys. but they are in the olive tree pdb format, which may be encrypted Jul 20 17:05:00 A lot of people have a lot of preferences when it comes to translations ... Jul 20 17:05:09 and I realize so many people don't have it in their language, or they have one or two Jul 20 17:05:23 In english we have all these acronyms, but in other languages, it is "the hungarian Bible" Jul 20 17:05:33 So I really have started to feel different about it ... Jul 20 17:05:45 And think I have the Bible in my language, I understand it, so I should read it and love people Jul 20 17:05:53 And not fight over names and translations Jul 20 17:06:05 i prefer to have a couple of translations myself, i like to keep an older english bible and a modern traslation but i really like to have strongs :) Jul 20 17:06:14 digitalpowers: Bible Reader has KJV, AKJV, MKJV .... Jul 20 17:06:20 Yeah, I'd like to add Strong's support Jul 20 17:06:44 My idea is that you would tap a verse, and it would isolate that verse ... Jul 20 17:06:45 that is the #1 thing missing from the webosd bibles imho Jul 20 17:06:49 HattCzech_work, are you here? =) Jul 20 17:06:55 Then every word you tap would show the strong's definition below it Jul 20 17:07:01 Then you could swipe back to see the whole chapter again Jul 20 17:07:09 Does that sound like it would work for you? Jul 20 17:07:16 do it do it do it Jul 20 17:07:23 that would be perfect Jul 20 17:07:28 It also has NKJV, serviced through BibleGateway Jul 20 17:07:39 i would pay for it if you added strongs support\ Jul 20 17:07:43 but the MKJV is pretty close, I think, and it works offline Jul 20 17:07:54 (free public domain) Jul 20 17:08:07 Also have the KJV as an audio bible Jul 20 17:08:51 yeah, i wish either the olivetree folks would open up their format (since i paid for them) or get on writting a webos version. i have ~$100 in bibles and dictionaries in their format Jul 20 17:09:08 deliciousmorsel: So if I did make a generic book reader, would you be most interested in novels, like off the Gutenberg site, or would you be more interested in your own content? Jul 20 17:09:21 any ePub content Jul 20 17:09:34 so Gutenberg would make it sell better Jul 20 17:09:39 having access to all that Jul 20 17:09:49 digitalpowers: I think they didn't because it's all binary, and you can't really open or convert that in the SDK. Now that the PDK is opening up, they could do an app, but I think that the SDK is a better way to go, usability-wise Jul 20 17:09:55 we're talking about the analysts influence on the sale eh? Jul 20 17:09:59 but for me personally i just wanna give it a url or even better drop ePub files into a folder on media Jul 20 17:10:15 sorry I just completely made that up Jul 20 17:10:17 and have it index those epubs and put them in Jul 20 17:10:24 deliciousmorsel: That's what I would think ... have a built-in catalog of some sort, connected to an ePub service Jul 20 17:10:25 A reader frontend for archive.org might be good Jul 20 17:10:27 yeah i am betting alot of their iphone stuff could be ported over fairly easily Jul 20 17:10:40 ePub is a nice standard and its html based Jul 20 17:10:47 But then having the ability to import files from /media/internal Jul 20 17:11:22 morning everyone Jul 20 17:11:59 digitalpowers: I've been trying to contact a lot of different publishers, but unfortunately I've gotten little response Jul 20 17:12:12 One publisher said they thought there was enough variety in readers already :) Jul 20 17:12:22 But for some reason they thought I was asking about an iPhone app Jul 20 17:12:26 Everyone does, actually :) Jul 20 17:12:49 Orson is an e-book reader for Palm's WebOS. Initially, it will support the IDPF's EPUB format. Jul 20 17:13:09 Is that something you're building? Jul 20 17:13:17 nah i just googled WebOS ePub Jul 20 17:13:23 and that app doesn't actually exist Jul 20 17:13:34 it was a project that was abandoned right after palm-generate created the app Jul 20 17:13:35 lol Jul 20 17:13:42 hah Jul 20 17:13:47 orphaned Jul 20 17:14:20 Hey, so how much do you think a nice ePub reader (with an integrated book shop) would go for? Jul 20 17:14:40 We all know how much Brighthouse and App Book Shop sell their books for, but that's one a piece Jul 20 17:14:51 This would be "one book app to rule them all" Jul 20 17:14:54 okay noobie question here, how do I make my Ares app stay only in the vertical position Jul 20 17:15:59 Am I the only one happy with pReader? Jul 20 17:16:30 digitalpowers: Feel free to try out Bible Reader (Eclectic Design Studio), and let me know what you think, and I'll try and add Strong's to the Plus version sometime here Jul 20 17:16:32 And Kobo has decent public domain downloads, if a poor commercial ebook store Jul 20 17:16:59 elyon: i already use it i think, it is the one that lets you use any traslation bible gateway has right? Jul 20 17:17:25 With the red icon? Jul 20 17:17:29 Nyceane: i'm here now Jul 20 17:18:52 elyon: oh no, i have the other one, similar name, i will check yours out Jul 20 17:19:03 can you do me a favor? HattCzech_work Jul 20 17:20:04 Does anyone know ho i can make my app in ares stay vertical? Jul 20 17:20:04 No, but if you hum a few bars I can fake it Jul 20 17:20:32 deliciousmorsel: palsch brings a valid point about pReader. Have you used it before? Are there things that would make it more useful? Jul 20 17:20:33 i m wondering where pandora-- is =-| Jul 20 17:20:41 dekan: what was that Jul 20 17:20:42 digitalpowers: That was 'good morning' (#180): good morning $who Jul 20 17:20:47 HattCzech_work, are you here again? =D Jul 20 17:20:56 Nyceane: at home, working. like every other day :) Jul 20 17:21:01 Your all fired! Jul 20 17:21:12 elyon: haven't seenit Jul 20 17:21:13 pandora--, can you give me a vote? Jul 20 17:21:14 http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars Jul 20 17:21:14 halfhalo_class: so is your spell checker Jul 20 17:21:26 I need as much help as I can to see obama =-| Jul 20 17:21:32 elyon: it's interface is clunky and it's a bit slow. Not sure it's still maintained Jul 20 17:21:38 no, that would be the grammar checker! Jul 20 17:21:49 But it's a nice basic reader Jul 20 17:21:50 indeed Jul 20 17:22:05 Nyceane: man. makin me register for crap Jul 20 17:22:08 make an app with half the features but twice the sexyness Jul 20 17:22:09 and boom Jul 20 17:22:12 money. Jul 20 17:22:16 pandora--, only takes a few =-D Jul 20 17:22:18 oh except that your making it for webos Jul 20 17:22:20 yeah, eating lunch Jul 20 17:22:20 so maybe not. Jul 20 17:22:23 i'd really be apprecaited =-| Jul 20 17:22:28 slightly distracted, but here Jul 20 17:22:40 HattCzech_work, can you cast me a vote on http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars Jul 20 17:22:53 I need as many votes as possible to see Obama =-| Jul 20 17:23:10 arg, my 2d array is hurting my brain Jul 20 17:23:12 Yeah, I think it would be cool to have an app with pictures ... Jul 20 17:23:18 So you can "browse the shelves ..." Jul 20 17:23:23 Then pick out a free book to read Jul 20 17:23:38 Too bad we don't have a nice serif font on the phone Jul 20 17:23:43 (or do we?) Jul 20 17:23:49 requires login, huh? :) Jul 20 17:24:06 sugardave: heh Jul 20 17:24:38 Well, if people buy Brighthouse and App Book Shop apps ... Jul 20 17:24:55 I guess there's got to be some market for buying one *nice* reader that offers the same selection Jul 20 17:24:59 But I guess that is an "if" Jul 20 17:26:38 pandora--: much experience? I want to use it as a grid...but it seems I need to make the outer array be the 'y' axis....however, later I want to be able to access it like array[x][y] Jul 20 17:26:57 I think I have it, but the way I wrote the init is causing me headaches Jul 20 17:27:02 lol Jul 20 17:27:29 sugardave: yeah i have experience with 2d arrays, they can be weird, but it's really not that complicated once you have your head wrapped around it Jul 20 17:27:29 it works perfectly for square grids :D Jul 20 17:27:56 My app is still in limbo :( Jul 20 17:28:13 pandora--: how do you consider the outer array, as rows or columns? Jul 20 17:28:13 I submitted an app for web distribution around midnight last night, but it still isn't available Jul 20 17:28:24 pandora--, how about i register an account for you and you just vote =D Jul 20 17:28:27 Could someone please help me i can't seem to figure out how to what to change in my code to make my ares app stay vertical? Jul 20 17:28:31 elyon: I once submitted an app that took 3 weeks to go through Jul 20 17:28:32 Nyceane: that works :) Jul 20 17:28:45 sugardave: I thought web distribution was different? Jul 20 17:28:48 sugardave: outer array as columns (Y) Jul 20 17:28:55 elyon: perhaps it is Jul 20 17:29:07 I got haXe working :) Jul 20 17:29:11 pandora--: okay, I have been trying to do it as rows Jul 20 17:29:14 So I posted an app with the physaxe demo Jul 20 17:29:23 I wanted other people to be able to try it out Jul 20 17:29:58 too bad I have to lay flooring today, I would like to play with the grid some more Jul 20 17:31:24 sugardave: heh Jul 20 17:34:55 just play with the grid you dingus! Jul 20 17:35:03 stop this flooring stuff Jul 20 17:36:08 say cheese Jul 20 17:36:08 Cheese! Jul 20 17:38:51 Huh. Jul 20 17:38:58 Can you open ZIP files with the SDK? Jul 20 17:39:06 *.epub files are zipped Jul 20 17:52:30 chuqui: any update on hot apps winners? Jul 20 17:52:43 almost there. Jul 20 17:53:07 any word on a new phone? Jul 20 17:53:13 and a tablet? Jul 20 17:53:21 lol Jul 20 17:53:52 * haeffb-pre tryng to catch him not paying attention... Jul 20 17:54:26 any word on lindsay lohan and the big house? Jul 20 17:54:49 Wow, I didn't know you could unzip files with Javascript Jul 20 17:55:25 elyon: wow that is cool, do u have a link? Jul 20 17:56:15 hrm Jul 20 17:56:16 anybody else wana help me to cast a vote? Jul 20 17:56:31 your vote thing requires registration Jul 20 17:56:35 so i opt out, sorry Jul 20 17:56:39 http://cheeso.members.winisp.net/srcview.aspx?dir=js-unzip Jul 20 17:56:40 haeffb-pre: should have asked about 145 us carriers Jul 20 17:56:44 discombobulate, i'll register for you Jul 20 17:56:49 discombobulate, would that work? =-| Jul 20 17:57:03 Nyceane; sure gimme a login and pass and i'll vote Jul 20 17:57:08 thanks =) Jul 20 17:57:41 Maybe I should do a "100 Classic Books" app, instead of a generic reader Jul 20 17:57:50 * haeffb-pre is pretty sure there aren't that many us carriers Jul 20 17:58:00 But make it a lot nicer than the horde of book apps that are out there Jul 20 17:58:34 Seems like downloading, unzipping and reading book files on the client side might not be the best user experience Jul 20 17:58:37 whats your location? discombobulate Jul 20 17:58:44 moon Jul 20 17:59:08 elyon: thanks for the link Jul 20 17:59:25 Sure :) Jul 20 17:59:28 florida keys Jul 20 18:00:26 just sent you =) Jul 20 18:01:30 thanks discombobulate Jul 20 18:01:42 what is he voting for? Jul 20 18:01:50 well, get to see obama Jul 20 18:02:14 would you like to help? oilsworkn Jul 20 18:02:14 i dunno oil Jul 20 18:02:32 wait i voted so you'd get to see obama? Jul 20 18:02:32 * oilsworkn doesn't know whats going on Jul 20 18:02:45 i want my vote back Jul 20 18:02:47 ;( Jul 20 18:03:02 throw a shoe at him Jul 20 18:04:23 lol =-( Jul 20 18:04:28 michelle obama Jul 20 18:04:31 not barack Jul 20 18:04:49 so Jul 20 18:04:53 you need people to vote Jul 20 18:04:58 for you to go see the first lady? Jul 20 18:05:10 actually talk to? or just watch walk by? Jul 20 18:05:15 pie Jul 20 18:07:09 WAKAWAKAWAKA Jul 20 18:08:44 yah Jul 20 18:08:47 well, get honored Jul 20 18:09:04 I already gave a TED talk about this Jul 20 18:09:11 need to write jamie oliver an email Jul 20 18:12:59 haha: http://twitter.com/ActuallyNPH/status/17365853847 Jul 20 18:21:49 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/globe-on-technology/the-shame-game/article1644905/ Jul 20 18:22:22 I had no idea jobs attacked other cell phon makers. Jul 20 18:22:53 he wants to bring them down with him Jul 20 18:23:03 Mhmmmm Jul 20 18:23:09 Which is silly Jul 20 18:23:17 They want you to think that putting a case on the iPhone fixes it ... Jul 20 18:23:29 But somehow, every other phone, with or without a case, has the same problem as their bare metal phone? Jul 20 18:23:37 Although really, I doubt this is gonna hurt the iphone franchize much Jul 20 18:23:45 The Pre will drop bars too ... If you take off the back plate and palm it :) Jul 20 18:23:48 No, I doubt it Jul 20 18:24:00 Well, it might be a seed of thought Jul 20 18:24:12 But I don't see it single-handedly doing much Jul 20 18:24:17 they get away with a lot of crap Jul 20 18:24:31 nobody is talking anymore about how they have been lieing about signal strength all along Jul 20 18:24:42 "oops, looks like we're using the wrong formula" Jul 20 18:24:42 Is that the real oil? Jul 20 18:24:45 right, you didn't notice Jul 20 18:24:45 Well, they said that now they "fixed it" Jul 20 18:24:46 haha Jul 20 18:24:52 yes, this is the real oil Jul 20 18:24:58 Sounds like maybe they upped it to show more bars? Jul 20 18:25:05 they certainly did Jul 20 18:25:10 Cause alot of pplbhave been usin your name lately Jul 20 18:25:17 the algorithm they were using was lieing to you about how many bars you had Jul 20 18:25:17 "What you don't know won't hurt you" Jul 20 18:26:52 anivrom: do a whois, and you'll see im authenticated as oil Jul 20 18:27:03 something any dopplegangers wont have Jul 20 18:27:07 :) Jul 20 18:29:12 Well I generally know who the ppl are cause I see them change their name and they aren't particularly trying to hide it Jul 20 18:30:54 I'm having a problem with wIRC though. When I close it dometimes it will randomly open again and connect and also most times when I close it it won't connect when I try and reopen it. Just gets stuck on the spinner. Known issue? Jul 20 18:31:09 024? Jul 20 18:31:38 or 030? Jul 20 18:31:40 Huh Jul 20 18:31:41 are you on 1.4.5? Jul 20 18:32:03 wirc version 0.2.4 or 0.3.0? Jul 20 18:32:04 Yea Jul 20 18:32:52 yea what? Jul 20 18:32:53 Can't get the menu to open Jul 20 18:33:00 it doesn't say on the main scene Jul 20 18:33:01 ? Jul 20 18:33:08 wIRC vx.x.x Jul 20 18:33:10 like preware Jul 20 18:33:15 2.4 Jul 20 18:33:18 well Jul 20 18:33:24 if you have webos 1.4.5 Jul 20 18:33:29 upgrade to wirc 0.3.0 Jul 20 18:33:35 its boatloads better Jul 20 18:33:42 its in the testing feed Jul 20 18:33:43 I couldn't find it in the feeds Jul 20 18:33:47 as 0.2.99.2 i believe Jul 20 18:33:58 Dint have that feed Jul 20 18:34:25 then Jul 20 18:34:26 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.2.99.2_armv7.ipk Jul 20 18:35:32 and if your 145 install was ota, you'll need to run the fstab fixer thing before it will work Jul 20 18:35:41 wirc needs access to /media/internal for dcc to work :) Jul 20 18:36:17 Ok but I'm on pre right now so I can't access the ipk's Jul 20 18:36:32 dekan: is 1.4.5 out yet? Jul 20 18:36:32 NO! Jul 20 18:36:41 psh, whatevs Jul 20 18:36:49 well if you had the testing feed and preware 1.2.2 you could install the ipk with it xD Jul 20 18:37:00 but if you had the testing feed, you could just get it in preware as it is xD Jul 20 18:37:37 Can you give me the url for testing feed? Jul 20 18:38:16 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7 Jul 20 18:40:32 There's currently no way of copying in wIRC right? Jul 20 18:41:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0XgfBI8ke8&feature=youtube_gdata Jul 20 18:41:17 what do you mean? Jul 20 18:41:48 copy text Jul 20 18:41:52 in 030 there is Jul 20 18:41:54 but not in 024 Jul 20 18:42:01 in 030 you can tap a message and select copy Jul 20 18:42:01 Ah ok Jul 20 18:42:15 Cool beans. Can't wait Jul 20 18:42:28 you dont have to Jul 20 18:42:36 you can install it now since you're on 145 xD Jul 20 18:43:21 why aren't i on 1.4.5? :( Jul 20 18:43:32 ;( Jul 20 18:45:06 Palm instinctively know which carriers have the coolest ppl and they shipped the update s to them first. Sorry maik Jul 20 18:45:28 that hurt me real deep, anivrom :( Jul 20 18:45:37 coolest people that are the first to get the broken update? Jul 20 18:45:40 yeah go for it :) Jul 20 18:45:46 * oilsworkn adds if user == anivrom then exit() to wirc Jul 20 18:45:53 and to preware Jul 20 18:45:55 and to govnah Jul 20 18:45:58 Awww bear hug? Jul 20 18:45:59 I like that plan Jul 20 18:46:07 HABTM ftw Jul 20 18:46:34 lol Jul 20 18:46:37 heh Jul 20 18:47:18 My name is boxxyyyyyy, Jul 20 18:47:35 I have a three way HABTM relationship going. It be awesome Jul 20 18:50:15 Last time I added the tsting feed it failed to update Jul 20 18:50:26 Threw an error about pad feed Jul 20 18:50:42 Then my hpone exploded in my face Jul 20 18:50:49 I think the carriers have given up on palm Jul 20 18:50:54 It was bawls Jul 20 18:53:45 Boxxy is so cute. Even if she's a spa* Jul 20 18:53:48 Spaz Jul 20 18:54:46 Brb updating Jul 20 18:59:39 jeez, back Jul 20 18:59:54 man, oilsworkn is not here anymore =-| Jul 20 19:00:06 anybody else wana help vote for my app? Jul 20 19:03:03 Nyceane: where is your app? Jul 20 19:04:31 http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars Jul 20 19:05:28 brb, lunch Jul 20 19:05:46 * HattCzech_work wants 1.4.5 just so he can use wirc 0.3.0 Jul 20 19:06:32 just download it ya dingus! Jul 20 19:07:38 Nyceane: voted, apparently i was already registered with site Jul 20 19:43:20 did anyone else receive the special "payout" notice? Jul 20 19:44:34 yoidid Jul 20 19:46:26 deliciousmorsel: ok cool Jul 20 19:46:39 maybe we will get a big payout Jul 20 19:46:39 hahah Jul 20 19:47:05 y Jul 20 19:48:28 LoneStar99: no, what'd it say? Jul 20 19:49:46 pandora: it is about "An audit earlier this year uncovered a discrepancy in the system, in which some of your paid apps were downloaded without payment authorizations from the customer's bank, resulting in a loss of income to you for those purchases. " Jul 20 19:50:40 wow Jul 20 19:50:50 are they going to eat that cost? Jul 20 19:51:21 pandora: i guess so Jul 20 20:01:23 LoneStar99, thanks =D Jul 20 20:04:41 alright Jul 20 20:04:43 I've returned Jul 20 20:04:48 with news from the other side of the desert Jul 20 20:05:02 dragons? Jul 20 20:08:47 anyone have decent experience with webview widget? Jul 20 20:09:02 dragons!!! Jul 20 20:09:36 dragons with tablets and new phones!!! Jul 20 20:13:00 seriously guys Jul 20 20:13:09 I've been using a webOS tablet prototype for about two weeks now Jul 20 20:13:10 have a webview on a scene, and need it to send a command to webos when authentication is successfull... anyone have any ideas? Jul 20 20:13:14 shit is siiickk! Jul 20 20:13:30 alexfner: you have a pic? Jul 20 20:13:44 first: it has a 4Ghz, 450hp, 450 ft/lb torque proc Jul 20 20:13:46 6 spee Jul 20 20:13:48 speed* Jul 20 20:13:51 automatic Jul 20 20:14:15 it starts under 20,000 Jul 20 20:14:22 push button to start Jul 20 20:14:45 manufactured at fords chicago assembly plant Jul 20 20:15:06 whoops I meant to say Lincoln mks Jul 20 20:15:19 is anyone even here? Jul 20 20:15:43 nice alexfner Jul 20 20:15:49 you just get the mks? Jul 20 20:16:01 hahahahaha no Jul 20 20:16:05 I do not have that kind of money Jul 20 20:16:10 did you? Jul 20 20:17:47 not yet, my apps have not hit it big yet... Jul 20 20:19:12 so... Jul 20 20:19:19 * CTLAdvance looks side to side Jul 20 20:19:26 still no 1.4.5 update I see Jul 20 20:19:53 LoneStar99: The webview seems limited. I wanted to be able to do a HTTP Post to the webview, but I learned that it was not possible. Jul 20 20:20:26 CTLAdvance: Is 1.4.5 available for sprint? Jul 20 20:20:54 not that I am aware of Jul 20 20:22:08 dond: yeah trying to figure a way to make webview robust enough to interact with webos... Jul 20 20:23:37 LoneStar99: I wish there was a way that could modify webview. For instance, I would like to enhance it to support client certificates. Jul 20 20:30:47 dond: yeah that would be pimp Jul 20 20:56:10 LoneStar99, thanks =) Jul 20 21:00:37 Nyceane: np Jul 20 21:02:53 jesus Jul 20 21:02:59 apple stock just recovered all of it's losses Jul 20 21:03:02 in a matter of minutes Jul 20 21:03:08 due to record profits Jul 20 21:04:38 yay! Jul 20 21:04:52 * dohtem owns some AAPL stock Jul 20 21:05:01 jealous! Jul 20 21:05:06 I own a lot of student loans Jul 20 21:05:16 I own those too Jul 20 21:05:19 and the appreciation of interest in loans > any stock price growth Jul 20 21:05:25 :( Jul 20 21:05:35 well maybe not AAPL stock :D Jul 20 21:05:41 cheer up now! Jul 20 21:06:47 :) Jul 20 21:07:42 mush betta Jul 20 21:17:48 alexfner: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/20/apple-eviscerates-q3-earnings-estimates-revenue-earnings-up-78-yoy/ - wow Jul 20 21:18:00 yeah werd Jul 20 21:36:18 elyon: Your demo link doesn't load Jul 20 21:36:47 chuqui: thanks!!! Jul 20 21:37:34 elyon: Also, we should add the -s flag when compiling and linking when not in debug mode so it automatically strips the libs and binaries, easily says 50% disk space Jul 20 21:37:43 elyon: Also it's required to submit to the catalog Jul 20 21:38:28 did you guys see that streaker in the #webOS channel last night? Jul 20 21:38:37 came in here and just ran through completely naked Jul 20 21:38:51 your words, they dont make the since Jul 20 21:38:55 was wearing sunglasses so nobody could identify him Jul 20 21:39:07 i must have missed him Jul 20 21:39:11 dekan: did you see the streaker last night? Jul 20 21:39:11 Can't talk, zombies! Jul 20 21:39:23 dekan: CHIRP Jul 20 21:39:24 Error at 0x08: Reference not found Jul 20 21:41:31 is it possible to pass JSON values via webview widget? Jul 20 21:42:55 Amaranth: I had forgotten to strip the binaries before I submitted it, so the application is stuck until the system gives me a chance to update or delete my submission Jul 20 21:43:08 elyon: Ah, so you noticed :) Jul 20 21:43:21 Meanwhile, I have submitted the application again under a new name, to try and expedite the process :) Jul 20 21:43:34 Well, with a little help from my friends ;) Jul 20 21:43:36 elyon: Well, instead of manually stripping just add the -s flag unless="debug" Jul 20 21:45:30 Amaranth: I got the physaxe demo running, then I modified it to better suit the phone Jul 20 21:45:48 The only thing is that the main loop seems like it may be too aggressive ... Jul 20 21:45:53 elyon: That's the part I really wanted to get running :/ Jul 20 21:46:09 elyon: Once I can get the dang thing to compile I'm sure I can correct that quickly Jul 20 21:46:13 It appears to max out at 60 FPS, but I would prefer to be able to limit it to the frame rate of my choice Jul 20 21:46:39 elyon: Err, that part should be easy Jul 20 21:46:50 I contacted Hugh about the dollar signs in the code. It does seem that its up to each compiler whether it will allow them Jul 20 21:47:00 Which seems strange, though, that it doesn't work for you ... Jul 20 21:47:12 elyon: stage.frameRate = 60; Jul 20 21:47:22 elyon: That is from 01-Simple Jul 20 21:47:41 As I would think that either this sourcery toolchain would be consistent for us both, or that he would have caught it when he was building hxcpp for iPhone Jul 20 21:47:59 elyon: Nope, the iPhone uses the Apple compiler Jul 20 21:48:14 It's the same GCC they have for OS X just for iPhone Jul 20 21:48:31 I commented out the code in the main loop which causes the cycle to sleep Jul 20 21:48:59 Which I think is what the haXe frame rate property affects Jul 20 21:49:05 And I don't have the codesourcery GCC, the OS X PDK has an unpatched 4.3.3 Jul 20 21:49:27 elyon: In that case your framerate is probably more like 200 fps Jul 20 21:49:39 Or more, depends on how complex the drawing is Jul 20 21:50:03 Well, I'm running a FPS meter Jul 20 21:50:22 But it might artificially limit it to 60, or it may be a limit in the code elsewhere? I'm not sure Jul 20 21:50:32 I bet the FPS meter is reading stage.framerate :P Jul 20 21:51:34 You need to have that code in the mainloop for it to properly calculate the framerate Jul 20 21:52:52 Yep, so I think the code which calls Event.ENTER_FRAME is limited by the stage frame rate Jul 20 21:53:12 I had commented out the line for setting the stage's frame rate. 60 appears to be the system default Jul 20 21:53:32 So it did limit it to 30 FPS like I asked, but like you said, it could be drawing the textures much more often than that Jul 20 22:03:51 elyon: I'm trying to find out what could be happening here, #c++ and #gcc haven't been any help so far and google has failed me as well Jul 20 22:15:02 elyon: -fdollars-in-identifiers <--win Jul 20 22:19:42 It still is giving that error about the identifier? Jul 20 22:20:06 elyon: I've set it up with that and -s, building now Jul 20 22:26:57 elyon: huzzah! Jul 20 22:29:03 elyon: http://pastie.org/1052799.txt <-- commit please :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 22:30:09 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 23:10:15 2010 Jul 20 23:10:33 Where do I ask? On the forums somewhere, or PM someone? Jul 20 23:10:53 on precentral you make a site account Jul 20 23:10:59 and then use the contact page Jul 20 23:11:10 i think they even added an option for dev access request Jul 20 23:12:45 Assuming I had dev access, where would I go next? Jul 20 23:13:29 on the homepage, on the top left, there will be a homebrew apps thinger Jul 20 23:13:33 boy is making an app using webview tricky :| Jul 20 23:14:26 LoneStar99: Yep! I've had tremendous problems with it, particularly with the Pixi Jul 20 23:15:07 LoneStar99: It won't work until you pass it a URL, it's very picky about when it will receive a new URL, and its prone to fail if you push another scene with another WebView Jul 20 23:15:36 Oh, and it doesn't like being hidden :) Jul 20 23:17:19 elyon: yeah, have to test webview on emulator, plus multiple browsers etc... to make sure functionality is same etc... Jul 20 23:18:02 my Pre is dying. Jul 20 23:18:08 im sorry Jul 20 23:18:26 elyon: if only webview could read "div ids" within the webview.... Jul 20 23:18:39 it frequently won't turn on...until I plug it in or put it on a touchstone, then it reboots. Jul 20 23:18:55 better get an iphone then Jul 20 23:18:56 Hmm, I think I may have posted too much code in one forum post Jul 20 23:18:59 haeffb: that sucks =( Jul 20 23:19:56 ok seriously i think i only need to see the HP Envy w/ Beats commercial once.. not 10 times in the last hour Jul 20 23:20:04 how about some Palm ads.. Jul 20 23:20:24 Amaranth: Just curious, does it seem like haXe is using freetype (compiled into another library), or is it using SDL for text? Jul 20 23:20:30 Maybe the next phone will have Beats Jul 20 23:20:47 I can't remember if it's currently using freetype, or if that was another OS target Jul 20 23:20:51 elyon: I imagine it's using freetype, I saw no sign of SDL_ttf usage Jul 20 23:21:24 Amaranth: It's probably fine, though, right? I saw elsewhere on the forums that you're allowed to link to your own copy of libjpeg and libfreetype, but not the ones on the OS Jul 20 23:21:37 Probably because SDK apps run in a jail, but if you use a system library it has much more access Jul 20 23:21:55 Just curious :) Jul 20 23:21:57 elyon: Or we could just port the version 1 code to version 2 Jul 20 23:22:06 elyon: see nekonme/project/text_texture.cpp Jul 20 23:22:27 Ah, so he changed from SDL text to freetype? Jul 20 23:22:42 I wonder if it was for compatibility with iPhone or Android, or if there's other (good) reasons? Jul 20 23:23:13 Yep, I imagine because it gives you more control Jul 20 23:23:23 That would make sense Jul 20 23:23:27 Although I'm not sure how much of that would actually be needed Jul 20 23:23:48 Well, we're going to have the framework running ... Jul 20 23:23:55 After I get done doing some cleaning (probably take me an hour or so) I'll start digging in Jul 20 23:23:59 And other developers won't have to mess with any of these libraries to compile Jul 20 23:24:17 elyon: Right, but you really don't want to ship your own freetype Jul 20 23:24:29 elyon: Aside from patent issues you start running in to size issues Jul 20 23:24:44 elyon: hello world is already 3MB when stripped, please don't make it bigger :) Jul 20 23:25:04 My IPK is 1 MB :) Jul 20 23:25:09 What? Jul 20 23:25:24 std.so, regex.so, nekoapi.so, nme.so, and your app are less than 1MB? Jul 20 23:25:41 And the Main file for my physaxe demo is 1.5 MB, uncompressed Jul 20 23:25:52 I've been tempted to change to -Os instead of -O2 just for the size gain Jul 20 23:26:03 Oh, right, compressed. I wonder why they compress so well Jul 20 23:26:22 Yeah, the whole app is about 3 MB Jul 20 23:26:27 uncompressed Jul 20 23:26:33 amaranth: do you have a code sample of the "hello world"? Jul 20 23:26:37 And it uses about 20 MB of memory Jul 20 23:26:47 that sucks Jul 20 23:26:54 LoneStar99: I have a repository set up, if you want to try compiling against the library Jul 20 23:26:58 elyon: _ouch_ Jul 20 23:27:11 Yeah, I'm not sure how much of that was because of the physics demo itself ... Jul 20 23:27:16 elyon: what is your link? Jul 20 23:27:23 Or because of the loaded libraries Jul 20 23:27:32 LoneStar99: http://code.google.com/p/hxcpp-webos Jul 20 23:27:47 Remember, the framework supports a huge amount of Flash functions Jul 20 23:27:48 elyon: Well since I'll be wanting to use physics that's going to be painful Jul 20 23:28:04 elyon: I wonder if we can get gcc to strip out the ones we don't need Jul 20 23:28:17 Amaranth and elyon thanks, gonna go for a job be back in 1.5 hours Jul 20 23:28:19 We'd have to do a static build for that but I kind of want to anyway Jul 20 23:28:52 LoneStar99: There's some instructions on the main page for how some things are set up, but feel free to ask if you'd like some help with the particulars Jul 20 23:29:02 I'm on Windows, and Amaranth is using OSX Jul 20 23:29:49 The system is designed to handle that to some level ... Jul 20 23:30:06 For example, nekoapi and regexp aren't loaded in the physics demo, since it doesn't need them Jul 20 23:30:15 elyon: If we can get static builds going we can use -ffunction-sections and -Wl,-gc-sections to only include the things an app actually uses Jul 20 23:30:48 Amaranth: Is there any way to feed a shared library into the compiler, and output a stripped version? Jul 20 23:31:07 elyon: I _almost_ have a static build working, it fails in runlib because it says the file is too large... Jul 20 23:31:24 elyon: No, if you are using dynamic linking it can't optimize the unused stuff away Jul 20 23:31:24 It might be nice if we could pre-compile the full library, but then run a script to trim it down for specific projects Jul 20 23:31:45 Okay, then it seems like dynamic linking would be best for the project on a whole Jul 20 23:31:58 Since setting it up to compile the libraries is a pain :) Jul 20 23:31:58 If we pre-compile for static linking we just give people .a files instead of .so files and instead of using -lnme to link they just pass libnme.a on the gcc command line Jul 20 23:32:14 Oh, I see, so they still don't need the dependencies Jul 20 23:32:24 It looks like that's how the files are set up for iPhone development Jul 20 23:32:30 Right, they still don't have to build anything Jul 20 23:32:44 It still seems like it would hurt to have gotten this all working for iPhone, then to have Apple slam the door on it Jul 20 23:33:11 Dynamic linking has faster compile times, though? Jul 20 23:33:14 And then we can just tell them to make sure they use -Wl,-gc-sections when linking and since we'll be building the libs with -ffunction-sections that should remove things they don't actually use Jul 20 23:33:46 Don't build a dynamic library with -ffunction-sections though, it makes it larger Jul 20 23:34:12 Also the static build seems to still build nekoapi as a shared library :/ Jul 20 23:34:34 Maybe it wasn't needed for the iPhone? Jul 20 23:34:58 It's probably not needed for static compiling Jul 20 23:35:01 What did you need it for? Jul 20 23:35:13 Nothing so far. It was on the file list :) Jul 20 23:35:17 Ha Jul 20 23:35:23 It seems to ask for different files, depending on the features you use Jul 20 23:35:30 So I figured that some of the features might request it Jul 20 23:35:46 Actually it's probably for the cpp:neko compatibility Jul 20 23:36:27 elyon: Try to remove it and run all the tests you've gotten working Jul 20 23:36:31 * Amaranth goes to clean Jul 20 23:37:09 Oh, I know it isn't being used yet Jul 20 23:37:14 (if ever) Jul 20 23:37:18 So we can ignore it for now Jul 20 23:37:58 Ok then, that's another thing on my TODO list Jul 20 23:38:40 So far I've got static building, fixing the framerate limiter, implementing image loading via SOIL or SDL_image, and implementing text rendering via SDL_ttf Jul 20 23:42:28 halfhalo_pre: lol @ quitting message. Jul 20 23:42:49 One of those "darn it, wish I thought of that first" things Jul 20 23:43:17 halfhalo_preEPeen++; Jul 20 23:54:19 Amaranth: Oh, I know why he's using libjpeg and libfreetype directly Jul 20 23:54:31 I don't think he's using SDL on Android Jul 20 23:54:48 So the iPhone version uses SDL and links to static libraries ... Jul 20 23:54:59 The Android version doesn't use SDL ... Jul 20 23:55:18 And here we are with webOS, which doesn't require static libraries and does support SDL Jul 20 23:55:44 What are we talking about in here? Jul 20 23:55:58 haXe Jul 20 23:55:59 HaXe? Jul 20 23:56:01 ah, ok, cool Jul 20 23:56:04 Yeah, I got it running Jul 20 23:56:10 elyon: port over some actionscript yet? :> Jul 20 23:56:15 I submitted it for web distribution, too Jul 20 23:56:19 cool Jul 20 23:56:23 I'm running a physics demo Jul 20 23:56:42 Still waiting, though, so I sent a message to the precentral guys to see if I can get access to submit it Homebrew Jul 20 23:57:31 what do you mean by 'it'? Jul 20 23:57:42 it's a package that holds the framework to run haxe apps? Jul 20 23:57:43 I created a modified version of the physaxe demo Jul 20 23:57:47 ah Jul 20 23:57:59 Is it "frickin sweet"? Jul 20 23:58:14 elyon: did you get it working? Jul 20 23:58:18 Well, you get to see "webos" get blown apart Jul 20 23:58:24 th ephysaxe engine Jul 20 23:58:40 Yeah Jul 20 23:58:51 nice Jul 20 23:59:05 So I shrunk down the screen size, optimized some of the physics stuff (the settings were all tuned for desktop performance) Jul 20 23:59:13 And I reduced the number of objects in some of the tests Jul 20 23:59:48 It's currently missing a limiter in the main loop, so it's kind of "render hungry" Jul 21 00:00:06 But the Flash code itself is running properly at the frame rate I choose Jul 21 00:00:29 sugardave: ping! Jul 21 00:00:44 All the code is just like Actionscript 3, but the package structure of each file is a little more like it was for AS2 Jul 21 00:01:15 I'd still like to improve the remapping support in FlashDevelop so that I can write "flash.display.Sprite" instead of "nme.display.Sprite" Jul 21 00:01:23 end users wouldn't have to worry about that though right? Jul 21 00:01:27 Then compile to Flash while I'm developing :) Jul 21 00:01:40 No, the demo works fine ... Jul 21 00:01:51 I mean the syntax would all be AS3 compliant? Jul 21 00:01:56 Cause I don't know AS2 Jul 21 00:01:56 But the performance will be better with the limiter Jul 21 00:02:09 Instead of package { public class { Jul 21 00:02:15 It's package { Jul 21 00:02:19 hmm Jul 21 00:02:22 ok Jul 21 00:02:38 There's a few changes like that, which mean that you can't literally take a Flash project and compile instantly Jul 21 00:02:51 But the body of each class is basically identical Jul 21 00:02:56 hmmm Jul 21 00:03:04 Wonder why it's different Jul 21 00:03:09 Even if you need to type "nme.display.Sprite" for code completion to work in your IDE Jul 21 00:03:17 is haXe open source? Jul 21 00:03:17 Well, I think haXe was made when AS2 was new Jul 21 00:03:35 So they updated the classes to match Actionscript 3, but didn't change their compiler to expect a new file structure Jul 21 00:03:46 Makes sense, but I do like the AS3 style of files a bit better Jul 21 00:10:46 elyon: Err, you can do that, can't you? Jul 21 00:11:00 elyon: Just make sure you --remap flash:nme Jul 21 00:13:13 Amaranth: I meant code completion Jul 21 00:14:05 I can use compiler-driven code completion, but its slower than relying on the IDE, but I still need to target a different version of NME if I'm going to switch between compiling Flash and C++ for webOS Jul 21 00:14:39 nme2 doesn't include Flash support, but nme doesn't include OpenGL ES support, and other mobile phone specifics Jul 21 00:18:27 nme supports flash? Jul 21 00:18:34 I thought it had the same API Jul 21 00:18:58 * zsoc watches elyon develop a flash player for webos Jul 21 00:19:43 lol Jul 21 00:20:04 that would be quite a feat of programming skill Jul 21 00:20:22 O canvas, why dost thou not supporteth gradients in canvas. My soul yearns for gradients in canvas. Jul 21 00:20:27 elyon: have you considered getting your physics demo into preware? I'm sure we can set you up a git repo and such Jul 21 00:20:42 physics demo? Jul 21 00:20:47 that sounds interesting Jul 21 00:21:18 zsoc: I have. I sent the precentral folks an email asking for access Jul 21 00:21:27 I don't have a dev account on the site, so I can't submit to homebrew yet Jul 21 00:21:40 Yeah, so here's how haXe works ... Jul 21 00:21:59 Classes like flash.display.Sprite get remapped by the compiler to the neash namespace Jul 21 00:22:09 That plus NME makes it run on Flash Jul 21 00:22:17 elyon: nonono, we're not at all associated with precentral. Just come into #webos-internals and we can do it now. Jul 21 00:22:38 You can use it with C++, too, but that version of NME isn't designed for mobile phones Jul 21 00:22:53 Version 2 of NME is. In version 2, you map to nme instead of neash. You don't need neash anymore Jul 21 00:23:05 But version 2 doesn't support Flash Jul 21 00:23:09 Okay, I'll hop over Jul 21 00:23:55 appamajig: I'll send you a link once its posted Jul 21 00:24:09 that would be great Jul 21 00:24:13 thanks :) Jul 21 00:27:45 hrm Jul 21 00:38:21 alexfner: hey Jul 21 00:38:42 Anivrom: hey Jul 21 00:38:48 haeffb: hi Jul 21 00:39:06 helllllooooo Jul 21 00:39:12 Thanks again for the cupcakes they were delicious Jul 21 00:39:36 hey hey hey Jul 21 00:39:41 wait Jul 21 00:39:46 mmmmm....cupcakes Jul 21 00:39:48 elyon's flash demo: http://hxcpp-webos.googlecode.com/svn-history/r11/trunk/Physaxe/bin/com.eclecticdesignstudio.haxedemo_0.1.0_all.ipk Jul 21 00:39:49 did you take the cupcakes? 0_o Jul 21 00:39:53 yay google code :) Jul 21 00:40:02 s/flash/haxe/ Jul 21 00:40:08 those had a lot of cocaine in them... Jul 21 00:40:13 those were cocaine cupcakes Jul 21 00:40:20 are you... okay...? Jul 21 00:40:22 I like to call them cokecakes Jul 21 00:40:33 well apparently cocaine gives me the ability to read/write to sql databases in 1 line Jul 21 00:40:33 yes yes, cokecakes Jul 21 00:40:40 shit Jul 21 00:40:41 lol Jul 21 00:40:42 that's amazing Jul 21 00:40:46 Yea Jul 21 00:40:54 I wish I had another USB port... Jul 21 00:40:58 hahaha that's the most original idea I've heard in days Jul 21 00:41:01 * Amaranth can't wait for that hub to get here Jul 21 00:41:43 wooo! palm gave me a special payment of $18.94!!!! Jul 21 00:42:45 sweet Jul 21 00:43:20 elyon: hmmm... do I need to run it on my phone? I tried in the emulator and it doesn't do anything... Jul 21 00:43:22 for which apps? Jul 21 00:44:11 his super-special flash demo (I think it's a physics thing?) Jul 21 00:44:28 oh lol Jul 21 00:44:32 you were wondering about payments Jul 21 00:45:23 Oh, yes Jul 21 00:45:33 It requires webOS 1.4.5 Jul 21 00:45:43 ah, I'm on AT&T Jul 21 00:45:53 hmm... I think I Have 1.4.5 emulator installed Jul 21 00:45:54 And its compiled for the arm processor, so it won't run on an x86 or x64 processor Jul 21 00:45:57 wait, that's on windows Jul 21 00:46:13 So we need to test apps on the phone directly Jul 21 00:46:20 hmm... can't run PDK apps on emulator? never thought of that Jul 21 00:46:33 Although, that's one reason why I want to smooth over the transition between compiling for Flash and for webOS ... Jul 21 00:46:40 So you can use Flash to test on the host machine Jul 21 00:46:54 Seems like it would be better that way than testing with C++ on the host machine ... Jul 21 00:47:12 FlashDevelop is one of the best IDEs for haXe, anyway Jul 21 00:47:17 cool Jul 21 00:47:17 So it's already designed for Flash Jul 21 00:48:08 There's just some things in code completion and build setup I need to smooth over to make it super-simple to toggle between the two Jul 21 00:48:21 I do already have scripts set up, though, so you can compile in FlashDevelop and it pops up on the phone Jul 21 00:48:49 But I miss getting a split second preview after compiling ... copying to the phone takes a little while ... about 300KB / second Jul 21 00:48:55 I saw that... you sent me the link for it when I was trying out FlashDevelop Jul 21 00:49:10 I ended up sticking with Eclipse Jul 21 00:49:21 ok soo Jul 21 00:49:28 oh boy Jul 21 00:49:34 im a tad confused as to this 'special one time only' payment Jul 21 00:49:44 lol haeffb was talking about it Jul 21 00:49:47 specially since it was sent from FIN.App.Catalog@palm.com Jul 21 00:49:48 18 bucks in his case Jul 21 00:49:55 doesnt FIN mean end? Jul 21 00:50:03 in french Jul 21 00:50:18 end of app catalog? Jul 21 00:50:19 Or it could mean finish Jul 21 00:50:26 or final? Jul 21 00:50:32 as in finland? Jul 21 00:50:37 oh, finnish Jul 21 00:50:43 that one Jul 21 00:50:47 :) Jul 21 00:50:49 i got more than 18, but still confused as to why they keep saying 'special one time only' Jul 21 00:51:04 Can't you just accept a free gift by palm? Jul 21 00:51:06 and are we still getting our monthly today? Jul 21 00:51:11 Geez so skeptical Jul 21 00:51:13 its not a free gift ;p Jul 21 00:51:13 :P Jul 21 00:51:21 its what we were owed during the issue Jul 21 00:51:51 dawm|laptop did u get the email? Jul 21 00:51:59 and explains why my install count is quiet off palms recorded installs Jul 21 00:52:01 yeah i got the email Jul 21 00:52:13 i was just concerned about the actual payment i got Jul 21 00:52:30 FIN == financial ? Jul 21 00:52:32 maybe they're setting up for the big hot apps payout!!! Jul 21 00:52:40 financial sounds the most correct Jul 21 00:52:42 haeffb: thats a possiblility Jul 21 00:52:49 maybe HP reorganized emails Jul 21 00:53:05 this is the first payment since it became HPalm Jul 21 00:53:13 wouldnt explain the 1 time only tag Jul 21 00:53:22 sufficiently Jul 21 00:53:29 maybe it stands for finagler Jul 21 00:53:35 the 1 time only tag is meaning its the only and last time they will send a payment lower than $100 Jul 21 00:53:51 normally they dont send you anything until you reach $100 or more Jul 21 00:54:08 in this instance to recover from their mistake they made an exception to the rule Jul 21 00:54:26 i just didnt like the email address ;p Jul 21 00:54:55 ah. I thought the threshold was 600 not 100 Jul 21 00:55:27 ew, that would suck Jul 21 00:55:29 Idk where I got that from though. Jul 21 00:55:31 it was in the email, about the limit being 100 Jul 21 00:55:57 payout minimum of $100 and/or (euro symbol) 100 Jul 21 00:56:17 haha Jul 21 00:56:22 i got 2 one time payouts Jul 21 00:56:34 1.56 eur Jul 21 00:56:34 lucky you Jul 21 00:56:45 BIG BUCKS Jul 21 00:56:54 117usd for the other Jul 21 00:57:04 PDN_EU@palm.com for the euros Jul 21 00:57:09 which apps are the 117 for? Jul 21 00:57:15 i oly have 1 paid app Jul 21 00:57:31 prejeweled... Jul 21 00:57:37 ...er...swap n drop Jul 21 00:57:41 no swap & drop Jul 21 00:57:55 Hey dawm I'll pay you 20 dollars to code my inventory screen :P Jul 21 00:58:08 ive got a new block puzzle game, i just cant think of a proper name so i cant continue Jul 21 00:58:10 inventory? Jul 21 00:58:22 Yea for a hush hush top secret game I'm working on Jul 21 00:58:32 i vote for 'new block puzzle game' Jul 21 00:58:42 I can't seem to dynamically create the inventory items Jul 21 00:58:54 you can email me the details at biocandy@gmail.com Jul 21 00:59:13 discombobulate: honestly i was thinking of using a uber simple nam ;p Jul 21 00:59:48 i like simple Jul 21 00:59:50 but i think kesne would get mad if i called it 'Way better than Checkers' Jul 21 00:59:55 'Simple Blockz!' Jul 21 01:00:17 or just 'Blockz!' because everything is better with a z Jul 21 01:00:25 i think there is a blockz Jul 21 01:00:29 and ! just says it's good Jul 21 01:00:32 yeah? Jul 21 01:00:37 bastards Jul 21 01:00:58 what about blawkz Jul 21 01:01:45 too much Jul 21 01:01:45 "block puzzle game" Jul 21 01:02:23 bpg Jul 21 01:02:57 eh...what do we do with these blawkz? Jul 21 01:03:18 slide 'em, stack 'em, blast 'em? Jul 21 01:04:51 i like that one Jul 21 01:05:48 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 21 01:07:52 BMyers! Jul 21 01:08:12 BPG Jul 21 01:08:19 hi haeffb Jul 21 01:08:39 wassup? Jul 21 01:09:00 made it thru another day it seems Jul 21 01:09:04 my pre is dying...I might have to ge an evo Jul 21 01:09:09 s/ge/get Jul 21 01:09:21 whats the matter with the pre? Jul 21 01:09:36 it fails to turn on sometimes. Jul 21 01:09:48 then reboots when I plug it into power Jul 21 01:09:56 hmm. not good Jul 21 01:10:09 yeah. I really don't want an evo. Jul 21 01:10:19 the evo seems to have better battery live than the pre Jul 21 01:10:37 why do you not want an evo? Jul 21 01:11:02 ANYTHING has better battery life than the pre Jul 21 01:11:17 i'm dig'n my evo Jul 21 01:11:34 Even an LED running on 230000 12v has better life than the pre Jul 21 01:11:34 aside from the text spell check/replace is making me look stupid Jul 21 01:11:37 brutal Jul 21 01:11:56 Anivrom: the pre has freaking excelent battery life, i run it all day on one charge, listen to audio a lot durring the day and leave the wireless connected all day Jul 21 01:12:33 digitalpowers: idk what pre you bought then, cause mine doesn't last a day Jul 21 01:13:14 was thinking of getting the 2600 mAh battery Jul 21 01:13:15 must be nice Jul 21 01:13:17 when the money comes in Jul 21 01:13:26 im lucky to get thru the day with moderate usage Jul 21 01:13:57 I make it by keeping my phone plugged into a 12v power inverter to AC wall jack when I'm in and out of my work truck Jul 21 01:14:23 lol Jul 21 01:14:48 When I'm on wIRC it barely charges Jul 21 01:14:55 and if I'm running anything else forget it Jul 21 01:15:04 elyon: Ok, static linking failed Jul 21 01:15:23 i will try running wirc all day, maybe that is the drain Jul 21 01:15:33 Even without it though it's a drain Jul 21 01:15:34 d'oh, you've set it -fvisibility=hidden Jul 21 01:15:41 wIRC just makes it untolerable Jul 21 01:15:48 almost 1% a minute Jul 21 01:20:58 lol Jul 21 01:21:01 theres a iOS update? Jul 21 01:21:20 Prolly 'fixing' the bars :P Jul 21 01:21:30 4.0.1 Jul 21 01:23:15 http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone-4-antenna-decal.jpg Jul 21 01:23:36 LMFAO Jul 21 01:23:53 * Anivrom is rofl'ing Jul 21 01:23:57 that is funny Jul 21 01:37:33 i love getting TMC when i only have 1 open.. thanks sprint! Jul 21 01:37:42 compcache ftw Jul 21 01:37:58 i removed uber when i thought 1.4.5 was coming Jul 21 01:38:03 lol me too Jul 21 01:38:09 I notice it runs slower on stock kernel Jul 21 01:38:21 Even if it's not OC'ed Jul 21 01:38:26 yah Jul 21 01:38:37 i ran uber at stock speed with compache Jul 21 01:38:55 I am worried about warrantly mainly. I might not reinstall it Jul 21 01:38:56 i noticed more battery drain with the other setup i was using Jul 21 01:39:07 if I brick my phone I can't hide the evidence :P Jul 21 01:39:10 screenstate 200/800 ? Jul 21 01:39:30 anywho.. nite all Jul 21 01:39:31 Custom on demand conservative mix Jul 21 01:41:17 oy Jul 21 01:41:22 oi Jul 21 01:41:30 I hope this is just suddenly-bad sprint 3G coverage in my area Jul 21 01:41:41 or contract bullcrap Jul 21 01:41:52 is it possible for the 3G radio, and just the 3G radio, to stop working Jul 21 01:45:32 occasionally Jul 21 01:45:35 it's rare Jul 21 01:45:45 but I used to have that problem with my pre Jul 21 01:45:57 but that was either replaced, or a software update seemed to fix it Jul 21 01:46:08 there were times where I would get lots of "data services not available" message Jul 21 01:46:19 or maybe, I was just on a different part of campus Jul 21 01:46:21 who knows Jul 21 01:50:47 welcome Jul 21 01:51:11 I think i"m going to blow this up Jul 21 01:51:14 I've used canvas a lot Jul 21 01:51:22 and now for some reason I cannot get it to clear this canvas Jul 21 01:51:28 I'm having a problem with canvas too Jul 21 01:51:31 and I'm getting frustrated! :D Jul 21 01:51:34 Stacking multiple canvas's Jul 21 01:51:39 oh? Jul 21 01:51:44 I am actually working with that just fine Jul 21 01:51:46 may I help? Jul 21 01:51:47 Ares rapes teh zindex Jul 21 01:51:51 there is no help Jul 21 01:51:55 yes there is :D Jul 21 01:51:57 it's ares, I concluded that yesterday Jul 21 01:52:17 it's ares fault Jul 21 01:52:44 It's so bad that it would show a drawImage on line 63 yet doesn't show a drawImage on line 64. Jul 21 01:52:54 hmm? Jul 21 01:52:55 but if I push the zindex to 100 it shows all Jul 21 01:53:02 But hides the html elements of course Jul 21 01:53:07 well I have avoided z-indexes all together Jul 21 01:53:11 and still stacked Jul 21 01:53:18 I can't cause I have html elements Jul 21 01:53:22 which seem to mess with it Jul 21 01:53:38 you don't seem very open to suggestion Jul 21 01:53:53 I've done enough tests to know that it's not fixable Jul 21 01:54:25 so if I make a project with stacked canvases that you can place html elements around in ares, how much will you give me? Jul 21 01:54:54 I will give you my gratitude for pasting the code Jul 21 01:54:56 :P Jul 21 01:55:30 but just cause you build a test app and it works doesn't mean it's gonna work for my 3000+ line game Jul 21 01:57:27 :P Jul 21 01:58:28 http://pastebin.org/410053 Jul 21 01:58:35 that's all the css needed Jul 21 01:58:37 and html Jul 21 01:58:40 and it WILL work Jul 21 01:58:43 no z-indexes Jul 21 01:58:57 I added a border, just cause Jul 21 01:59:07 position the container however you want Jul 21 01:59:13 still should work Jul 21 01:59:33 I've done all that code and it hasn't worked. Jul 21 01:59:55 I experimented with it yesterday with every conceivable setting Jul 21 02:03:15 gar gar har har Jul 21 02:03:24 send me your code, and I will make it work Jul 21 02:03:25 testing Jul 21 02:03:32 and then i will slap you with a wet fish Jul 21 02:09:02 the pdk hot app contest has to be 100% PDK no hybrids is that right? Jul 21 02:09:11 Believe so Jul 21 02:09:14 LoneStar99: right Jul 21 02:09:34 hybrids arent possible anyways from what I've heard Jul 21 02:10:24 is it complex to connect c++ code with html and css? Jul 21 02:11:27 aww yeah. "special one-time payment" is in the bank Jul 21 02:12:42 elyon: I think I may have figured out static building Jul 21 02:13:23 pandora--: same just got the notice of the "special payment" Jul 21 02:13:29 nice Jul 21 02:13:38 is that the one for your app $50 fee? Jul 21 02:13:51 or when they were not counting downloads? Jul 21 02:13:57 BMyers: nope some sort of bank error Jul 21 02:13:58 not counting Jul 21 02:14:06 Anivrom: wIRC proves otherwise Jul 21 02:14:10 ah. Jul 21 02:14:19 Anivrom: but is not accepted in the app catalog yet Jul 21 02:16:10 rwhitby: hybrids not excepted in app catalog? Jul 21 02:17:12 no, they are excepted. they are not accepted ;) Jul 21 02:17:24 aww Jul 21 02:17:26 :( Jul 21 02:17:41 eventually Jul 21 02:17:51 and when they are, itl be even better then it is now :) Jul 21 02:17:54 are the leaderboards up yet? Jul 21 02:17:58 right. not accepted at the moment. Jul 21 02:19:11 boo... Jul 21 02:20:10 I am having the weirdest problem Jul 21 02:20:17 and it's creating a lot of frustration Jul 21 02:20:20 in the browser Jul 21 02:20:24 oh right Jul 21 02:20:24 not even a webOS app! Jul 21 02:20:26 What was your problem Jul 21 02:20:39 I have made some sort of coding error Jul 21 02:20:43 that I cannot find :D Jul 21 02:20:48 love those Jul 21 02:20:58 SBD's Jul 21 02:21:04 "silent but deadly" :P Jul 21 02:22:02 logic errors :D Jul 21 02:22:08 the best kind of error Jul 21 02:22:09 cheezy Jul 21 02:22:32 Conditional statements are evil, especially when there are multiple dependants throughout your code on 1 condition :P Jul 21 02:22:39 Fix one problem break another Jul 21 02:23:15 That's just poor coding Jul 21 02:23:33 Negative. Jul 21 02:23:38 Sometimes it's necessary. Jul 21 02:23:49 elyon: Ok, screw static linking, it's one roadblock after another :P Jul 21 02:24:01 stop callin stop callin Jul 21 02:24:04 I don't wanna think anymore Jul 21 02:24:20 Amaranth: what is your static linking issue? Jul 21 02:25:26 zsoc: I'm trying to statically link libraries made for a different platform mostly ported over with automatically generated code that redefines some of the symbols from the libraries Jul 21 02:25:39 zsoc: In other words: ow it burns Jul 21 02:26:43 Amaranth: have fun, remember 'grep' is your friend Jul 21 02:26:52 i've done something similar, it really was painful Jul 21 02:27:00 zsoc: aww no miracle tip? Jul 21 02:27:11 how disappointing Jul 21 02:27:17 zsoc: I'd rather use 3MB for hello world instead of 100KB and just use shared libraries Jul 21 02:27:23 Anivrom: just be glad you're not backporting through non abi/api compat versions of major libs :P Jul 21 02:27:40 The nice thing is it's still 3MB for a pretty complete app/physics demo since most of it is library overhead Jul 21 02:27:42 bah, your names are too similar Jul 21 02:27:58 :P First! Jul 21 02:28:07 Anivrom: Liar :P Jul 21 02:28:42 Amaranth: your name seems like you play too many table top rpg's / muds Jul 21 02:29:01 Registered Jun 30 17:49:55 2010 (2 weeks, 6 days, 08:38:42 ago) Jul 21 02:29:02 Anivrom: your name seems like you visit too many online forums and play flash games on community sites Jul 21 02:29:10 vs Jul 21 02:29:11 Registered Apr 14 22:50:44 2003 (7 years, 14 weeks, 1 day, 03:38:03 ago) Jul 21 02:29:22 dang it Jul 21 02:29:26 vs Jul 21 02:29:28 ... Jul 21 02:29:30 Registered Jul 21 02:29:32 hehe Jul 21 02:29:35 umm Jul 21 02:29:36 :P Jul 21 02:29:39 hi Jul 21 02:29:41 Amaranth: 7 years on freenode eh? that rivals my old nick :) Jul 21 02:29:42 I'm ani Jul 21 02:29:43 I am trying to download palm sdk 1.4.1 but cannot find it on the website. Jul 21 02:29:45 be my friend Jul 21 02:29:55 zsoc: Well, 7 years with this nice Jul 21 02:29:56 err, nick Jul 21 02:30:00 Anivrom: the 'enter' button is not punctuation Jul 21 02:30:15 I used various unregistered nicks for for 6-9 months before I setup this one Jul 21 02:30:32 * Amaranth is oldskool Jul 21 02:32:01 elyon: Yeah, this is running way too fast Jul 21 02:32:06 It screws with the physics Jul 21 02:32:56 It's cool that it'll run that fast though, means I have some room to add overhead for an actual game :) Jul 21 02:33:16 Whoops, then again... Jul 21 02:33:17 Amaranth: nice, only 6 years registered here Jul 21 02:33:20 Amaranth: fps control? Jul 21 02:33:27 zsoc: Yeah, he turned it off :P Jul 21 02:33:33 hhahaa Jul 21 02:34:06 Starting to think haxe is not going to work out, I hope this is slow because it uses vectors Jul 21 02:35:02 1ghz ftw, heh Jul 21 02:35:20 Heard 1.2ghz kernel is in the makes Jul 21 02:35:22 Yeah, I'mt running 1Ghz Jul 21 02:35:31 Amaranth: oh /that/ is bad Jul 21 02:35:47 Stupid Colloquy Jul 21 02:35:53 stupidoquy Jul 21 02:35:58 Anivrom: 1.2GHz kernel is in the alpha testing feeds for a couple of days now Jul 21 02:36:11 zsoc: Yeah, one of the demos is shapes falling to the ground and once it gets 10 or so it slows down to 14 fps Jul 21 02:36:13 Has it been stable? Jul 21 02:36:26 Anivrom: If you have a super pre, sure Jul 21 02:36:34 :P Jul 21 02:36:59 how can I get palm sdk 1.4.1 Jul 21 02:37:05 so I feel like I discovered a flaw in canvas Jul 21 02:37:10 because otherwise Jul 21 02:37:16 I am completely dumbfounded Jul 21 02:37:30 I have done all the unit testing available Jul 21 02:37:39 Anivrom: no overclocking kernel is stable if you wait long enough Jul 21 02:38:14 rwhitby: hmm was running 800 for a while and never ran into any issues that I could tell Jul 21 02:38:26 Anivrom: you didn't wait long enough :) Jul 21 02:38:41 not gonna reinstall cause of warranty though, I plan on breaking my phone through general use Jul 21 02:38:56 If you don't breka your phone through general use you're not using it hard enough :P Jul 21 02:38:58 imo Jul 21 02:39:03 break too Jul 21 02:39:20 500MHz to 600MHz (0.08V voltage increase) reduces guaranteed device lifetime from 100K hours to 44K hours according to the manufacturer. To hit 1200MHz, we increase the voltage by another 0.35V - you do the math. Jul 21 02:41:15 Anyone know if the ATT Pixi/Pre are quad band as in US and Europe Jul 21 02:41:48 quad band 2G, dual band 3G Jul 21 02:41:57 well crap, i am getting seg fault on the device at sdl_gl_swapbuffers, that cant be good Jul 21 02:42:07 Thanks Jul 21 02:42:20 also rwhitby can you resend the penguin image Jul 21 02:42:34 you sent along time ago Jul 21 02:42:54 Ill be in london Monday and Germany later on Jul 21 02:43:17 CTLAdvance: is the one on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page good enough? Jul 21 02:43:42 I guess you need higher resolution Jul 21 02:43:53 Do you have one Jul 21 02:47:42 CTLAdvance: I have a 2.6MB 3000x3000 one :) Jul 21 02:51:41 FYI ... Jul 21 02:51:50 I'm using haXe with a normal Pre Jul 21 02:52:04 and I get good frame rates, until it gets to be too many objects Jul 21 02:52:13 So some of the demos run very quickly, others don't Jul 21 02:52:18 Again, with no limiting in the main loop Jul 21 02:52:30 It could very much have just as much to do with the physics engine as with anything else Jul 21 02:52:39 Since the engine was optimized for Flash Jul 21 02:52:55 There's a lot of variables involved in optimizing a physics engine Jul 21 02:53:19 Although all the Flash code carries over to C++ ... Jul 21 02:53:21 * Anivrom wonders who elyon is rambling to Jul 21 02:53:43 What's quickest in the Flash VM isn't the same as C++, per se. Jul 21 02:53:55 Sorry anivrom, I guess that part of the conversation was 20 minutes ago :) Jul 21 02:54:10 I saw that the conversation went into talking about overclocking ... Jul 21 02:54:14 You should include an address header like amaranth: :P Jul 21 02:54:24 then he can follow along with his own conversation Jul 21 02:54:25 :D Jul 21 02:54:36 But I didn't catch that the overclocking talk stopped 15 minutes ago, so no one's on the same train of thought :) Jul 21 02:55:32 elyon: Hehe Jul 21 02:55:40 elyon: Notice how I always say your name :) Jul 21 02:56:23 rwhitby: I need BIGGER! Jul 21 02:57:23 there's a punchline just waiting there, but I'm staying away from it Jul 21 02:58:20 oh. uh. yeah. nevermind. Jul 21 02:58:41 That's...............What...............She........................SAIIIIIIIIIID Jul 21 02:59:00 * Anivrom did the deed Jul 21 02:59:11 dun dun duuuun **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 21 02:59:57 2010