**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010 Jul 23 03:10:06 Amaranth: at the moment i am not delaying or using a timer, i am checking the difference between SDL_GetTicks to set my fps Jul 23 03:10:21 and just looping back around if it is inbetween frames Jul 23 03:10:35 not nearly as nice to the OS and battery life though Jul 23 03:10:40 digitalpowers: Spinning on calls to SDL_GetTicks is even worse Jul 23 03:10:51 digitalpowers: Just use my stuff :) Jul 23 03:11:12 yeah i am going to look at your code and either use it outright or steal bits and make it my own :) Jul 23 03:11:49 Oh, I should stick a license in there Jul 23 03:11:57 I wonder what version the WTFPL is up to now Jul 23 03:12:44 MIT ftw Jul 23 03:13:04 i am definately doing my game loop like a classic game loop, assuming if you are playing the game you arnt doing anything else, although i am more considerate in the card view and i stop nom noming Jul 23 03:13:48 zsoc|away: WTFPL is better: http://github.com/amaranth/pdk-mainloop-example/blob/master/LICENSE Jul 23 03:14:31 Although I dunno if the copyright in there is for the license or if I'm supposed to put my name in there Jul 23 03:14:58 I'm pretty sure it's the former Jul 23 03:16:33 alright i am off to work, good evening Jul 23 03:16:55 hello friends! Jul 23 03:17:04 digitalpowers: Have fun Jul 23 03:17:09 dpivs: howdy Jul 23 03:17:11 Amaranth: that is interesting, but it seems legally... dangerous. without the mechantibility for a fitness jabber etc Jul 23 03:17:21 zsoc|away: eh Jul 23 03:18:07 zsoc|away: I imagine in a court the whole thing would fall over and you'd be left with the person suing me getting in trouble for copyright infringement Jul 23 03:18:16 heh Jul 23 03:18:18 But it's the closest I can get to public domain Jul 23 03:40:36 hello dpivs Jul 23 03:40:48 oh like 45 minutes late Jul 23 03:40:56 hello all Jul 23 03:41:30 hi lonestar Jul 23 03:41:42 howdy Jul 23 03:43:12 floor is done, but I'm supremely unhappy with it. It will most likely need to be re-done Jul 23 03:43:15 yay :( Jul 23 03:43:42 sugardave: why are u unhappy with it? quality? Jul 23 03:45:24 my own fault...I tried to be fancy instead of running the planks all the same direction. At every turn I made a transfer and mitre cut the pieces....but, turns out the angles aren't exactly 45 degrees and the first section I laid shifts too much..which causes the rest to shift...etc Jul 23 03:46:02 somebody help me with timezone conversions Jul 23 03:46:13 if the UTC timestamp is 02:23:56 Jul 23 03:46:22 and the offset is -7 Jul 23 03:46:28 east is + west is -, unless you cross the international dateline Jul 23 03:46:46 right, so either way, I just ADD the offset Jul 23 03:47:02 but that's going to take me to -05 Jul 23 03:47:08 offset -7 would be 7 PM the previous day Jul 23 03:47:19 -2 to midnight Jul 23 03:47:21 oh Jul 23 03:47:26 yeah Jul 23 03:47:31 and -5 to 7 PM Jul 23 03:47:38 I think Jul 23 03:47:50 so I need take the UTC hour -- 02 Jul 23 03:47:58 I've never dealt with it honestly Jul 23 03:48:01 and ADD 12 first? then ADD my offset? Jul 23 03:48:13 14 - 7? Jul 23 03:48:36 hmm Jul 23 03:48:45 isn't there js for doing that? Jul 23 03:48:54 that's what I was about to say... Jul 23 03:48:56 the date object or something? Jul 23 03:48:59 the Date object must do this.... Jul 23 03:49:11 can't seem to find the right func Jul 23 03:49:19 why can't the whole world just use php? Jul 23 03:49:46 holy crap, opendns can't resolve google? Jul 23 03:49:47 really? Jul 23 03:49:53 ah, there it goes Jul 23 03:50:32 getTimeZoneOffset()? Jul 23 03:50:36 sugardave: so when you step on the planks they move? Jul 23 03:50:55 the whole section of planks moves Jul 23 03:50:56 or maybe toLocaleString() ... ? will that work in webos? Jul 23 03:51:08 it's a "floating" floor, but it's not supposed to float like that Jul 23 03:51:33 planks make me think of pirates, yarrrr. Jul 23 03:51:55 aeidataworks: this looks good: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6016329.html Jul 23 03:52:44 sugardave: no bueno =( Jul 23 03:52:47 dpivs: avast, ye has given me a grand ideer, matey! Jul 23 03:52:59 maybe you can make a game out of the floor Jul 23 03:53:03 makes me wanna fire up monkey island 2... yarr. Jul 23 03:53:04 LoneStar99: yeah, it sucks...but oh well...round 2 will be perfect Jul 23 03:53:24 sugardave: thanks, I'll give it a shot Jul 23 03:55:31 sugardave: yeah forsure - round 2! Jul 23 03:55:34 hey anybody check out my app? timestamp 2000? Jul 23 03:58:19 dpivs when did you release it? Jul 23 03:58:30 i think 2 days ago. Jul 23 03:58:53 ok will download it in the morning! Jul 23 03:59:03 found in the catalog Jul 23 03:59:13 it's supposed to give people easy access to a timestamp that they can paste any where, i was inspired by the old palm os shortcuts, man i miss them. Jul 23 04:00:47 i hope you find it useful lonestar99! Jul 23 04:07:08 so let's say my app has a db Jul 23 04:07:16 and in a new version I want a new db Jul 23 04:07:25 I just give the new db a new version num right? Jul 23 04:07:40 what happens to the old db? it just sits there on the user's device? Jul 23 04:08:43 dpivs: yeah will let you know tommorrow Jul 23 04:15:02 aeidataworks: that's right Jul 23 04:15:35 possible to delete the old db from the new app? Jul 23 04:15:37 aeidataworks: wow you're never in here Jul 23 04:15:53 new app, same name Jul 23 04:15:58 sup pandora? Jul 23 04:16:04 aeidataworks: <- yalm :P Jul 23 04:16:06 aeidataworks: I've never tried it, though I'm not sure you can Jul 23 04:16:44 I suppose you could run a drop table command on it Jul 23 04:17:05 hmm... ok Jul 23 04:17:22 hello pandora Jul 23 04:17:27 LoneStar99: yo Jul 23 04:17:55 aeidataworks: don't worry, i'm sure yadda is way ahead of me :) Jul 23 04:17:58 dpivs: not near my phone, but I'll check it out...seems useful Jul 23 04:18:04 aeidataworks: the screens look great Jul 23 04:18:33 thanks. no worries. room for everybody Jul 23 04:18:46 yup! Jul 23 04:18:52 if we can have 10 twitter clients, why not 2 yammer clients? Jul 23 04:19:21 sweet, lemme know what you think sugardave. Jul 23 04:19:38 aeidataworks: i paved the way for the attachments though. when i started, yammer's api didn't support webos Jul 23 04:20:06 aeidataworks: took about 6 weeks working with them to get an update to their production servers to support uploads! Jul 23 04:20:30 nice! Jul 23 04:20:53 attachment downloads are still useless on webos though Jul 23 04:21:06 yeah, i only support image attachments Jul 23 04:21:07 I gave up on that crap Jul 23 04:21:25 no use doing most other attachments Jul 23 04:21:35 but the images work/look great Jul 23 04:21:43 yeah, nice work Jul 23 04:23:37 yammer's api is pretty weak though, honestly Jul 23 04:23:50 it's so far behind the web version Jul 23 04:24:06 threads suck Jul 23 04:24:43 agreed Jul 23 04:24:53 ever seen Yammer's official Android app? weak... Jul 23 04:25:01 no threads, no attachments Jul 23 04:25:18 I'm going to get on them about the login process though Jul 23 04:25:28 login pages don't detect webos as mobile Jul 23 04:25:32 impossible to see/read Jul 23 04:25:33 yeah all my coworkers use android and they bitch about it all the time Jul 23 04:25:43 android users get a nice touch interface for the login Jul 23 04:26:05 ah i didn't know that, i hadn't tried it on android Jul 23 04:26:37 gabble has threads, using the api as well, and ya... it just sucks Jul 23 04:26:55 threads are pretty much done in yalm, but.. it's only as good as their api Jul 23 04:26:57 bleh Jul 23 04:27:11 gabble? windows client? Jul 23 04:27:18 mac desktop Jul 23 04:27:20 oic Jul 23 04:27:30 it's in their apps section on yammer.com Jul 23 04:28:36 no mac :( Jul 23 04:28:49 maybe I'll write a linux client ;) Jul 23 04:29:27 heh yeah i'm a linux guy, but i bought the mac for iphone dev Jul 23 04:29:48 luzer Jul 23 04:30:31 stupid apple Jul 23 04:31:13 * halfhalo is currently on a mac and pc Jul 23 04:31:58 aeidataworks: so when are you shippin it anyways? Jul 23 04:32:11 aeidataworks: i expected a version in the store weeks ago :) Jul 23 04:32:54 well, started playing with some new features... which kind of snowballed Jul 23 04:33:02 heh Jul 23 04:33:07 wanted to get in there while the 50% sale was going on... Jul 23 04:33:11 but oh well... Jul 23 04:33:17 yeah that did great stuff for my downloads Jul 23 04:33:18 better not to rush it I guess Jul 23 04:33:32 relatively speaking at least Jul 23 04:33:48 compared to my other apps of the same price, yammer is peanuts Jul 23 04:34:01 but the yammer users have been great with feedback and ideas/suggestions Jul 23 04:34:06 other apps? Jul 23 04:34:30 TuneWiki Lyrics Search, iHate411, iBored Jul 23 04:34:50 and some stuff that i'm not allowed to release... undocumented libs etc etc Jul 23 04:34:59 iphone apps? Jul 23 04:35:06 all those are webos Jul 23 04:35:14 cool Jul 23 04:35:24 but, i have other apps out for other platforms Jul 23 04:35:30 webos is just more fun Jul 23 04:35:36 gotcha Jul 23 04:37:03 .... Jul 23 04:37:16 out of space on my media drive Jul 23 04:39:08 halfhalo: bye bye torrents? Jul 23 04:39:26 no, there are no torrents on that drive... Jul 23 04:39:30 its all zune and itunes Jul 23 04:39:52 ah. well there's your problem... Jul 23 04:40:12 yeah, but… dammn Jul 23 04:40:16 came out of nowhere Jul 23 04:41:03 Oh, der.... Jul 23 04:41:11 I split the drive in half Jul 23 04:41:47 blargh... my timestamps are off by 1 hour -- emulator is on pacific time! Jul 23 04:41:48 duh Jul 23 04:42:04 heh Jul 23 04:42:18 I'd like to have the last 2 hours back... Jul 23 04:42:24 lol Jul 23 04:43:13 there we go Jul 23 04:43:19 another 150GB added to it Jul 23 04:43:45 lets take a poll. Jul 23 04:44:01 What do people think the bottleneck in this equation is: Jul 23 04:44:32 Quad Core desktop converting video files off a mac mini, the 100Mb ethernet switch between them, or the SSD in the mac mini Jul 23 04:44:48 Note: the files are being saved onto another ssd on the desktop Jul 23 04:45:36 ehhh ssd is pretty slow Jul 23 04:45:49 Their both intel 80GB Jul 23 04:46:06 and probably only bursts it's peak write speed Jul 23 04:46:19 so you choose ssd? Jul 23 04:46:26 eyo Jul 23 04:46:33 ssd, slow? Jul 23 04:46:55 its a poll. asking people what they thing the bottleneck in my system is right now Jul 23 04:47:04 "Quad Core desktop converting video files off a mac mini, the 100Mb ethernet switch between them, or the SSD in the mac mini" Jul 23 04:47:38 I'd say ssd. dunno, going underdog Jul 23 04:47:48 anyone else? Jul 23 04:47:54 mostly subjective as it stands huh Jul 23 04:48:01 nope? Jul 23 04:48:09 well the answer is…. 100Mb ethernet Jul 23 04:48:42 CPU is holding at 80%, ssd is way below peak levels, but ethernet is maxed out Jul 23 04:49:20 halfhalo: you need more GBs! Jul 23 04:49:54 I do don't I? But the 100Mb switch was like 10 bucks and a 1GB was like 50 Jul 23 04:50:54 100mbit isnt that fast... Jul 23 04:51:01 nope Jul 23 04:51:10 but cheap! Jul 23 04:51:14 I know, put two of them in parallel Jul 23 04:51:46 mini only has 1 ethernet port. Otherwise I would just go Gigabit between the two computers Jul 23 04:53:03 GAH. mysql spam! Jul 23 04:53:10 ahhh what's the throughput of firewire? Jul 23 04:53:28 800, but desktop doesn't have firewire anymore Jul 23 04:53:53 hell, I could do adhoc wifi since they both have unused cards Jul 23 04:54:20 But considering its like 10 minutes per hour show, its not a big deal Jul 23 04:55:06 ... Jul 23 04:55:24 The last 10 email messages I have recieved have had this as their subject: ZRM for MySQL Report] backup-set sait Jul 23 04:55:41 make that 11 Jul 23 05:05:42 any folks around to arm wrestle? Jul 23 05:11:13 done coding for the night, time to chill and enjoy the silence Jul 23 05:11:48 *crickets* Jul 23 05:12:12 still awake forsure, but not coding Jul 23 05:12:28 im unable to code right now Jul 23 05:12:41 halfhalo: why so? Jul 23 05:12:41 All my stuff is on my laptop which is passed up Jul 23 05:12:47 packed* Jul 23 05:12:57 Leaving for Vacation sat morning Jul 23 05:13:20 you pack our computer 2 days early? Jul 23 05:14:03 Normally no, but I have two others I can use and im working all day, so its not a big deal Jul 23 05:14:37 halfhalo: cool, where you going? Jul 23 05:14:51 Kauai for a week Jul 23 05:15:03 hawaii? Jul 23 05:15:14 yep Jul 23 05:15:33 never been, but it seems very nice Jul 23 05:15:38 yup Jul 23 05:15:45 Never been to Kauai before, usually go to Maui Jul 23 05:16:06 i've never even been to an ocean Jul 23 05:16:06 do you surf? Jul 23 05:16:28 Yeah, I surf, but not going to in Kauai. No board and no time Jul 23 05:16:53 EmmettLollis: no ocean ever? Jul 23 05:17:08 never Jul 23 05:17:14 halfhalo: why no time? Jul 23 05:17:19 * halfhalo is like 25 miles from the beach Jul 23 05:17:30 nice Jul 23 05:17:36 halfhalo: well that makes sense Jul 23 05:17:37 doing stuff like zipline, atv's, biking, scuba, etc Jul 23 05:17:44 cool Jul 23 05:17:53 it should be a blast Jul 23 05:18:00 yup Jul 23 05:18:03 EmmettLollis: where you leaving? Jul 23 05:18:31 sorry living? Jul 23 05:18:39 oklahoma Jul 23 05:19:39 never been to the OK state, but my bro went to ORU Jul 23 05:20:11 halfhalo: what state you based out of? Jul 23 05:20:18 yeah i'm in tulsa Jul 23 05:20:29 Im about 20 miles north of LA Jul 23 05:20:34 so… CA Jul 23 05:20:53 EmmettLollis: when u have a chance go to cali Jul 23 05:21:13 yeah, i'd love to Jul 23 05:22:16 halfhalo: lived in san diego for 8 years Jul 23 05:22:33 until a year ago Jul 23 05:22:49 halfhalo, pamona...encino... ? ? Jul 23 05:22:59 Granada Hills Jul 23 05:23:04 heh pamona Jul 23 05:23:09 Karate kid Jul 23 05:23:11 pomono* Jul 23 05:23:20 shi*, pomona* Jul 23 05:23:49 thanks to apps, bought my ticket back to San Diego Jul 23 05:24:02 nice Jul 23 05:24:26 should have never left Jul 23 05:24:48 lastnight Jul 23 05:25:11 nice Jul 23 05:25:19 lastnight bought my one-way ticket back to San Diego Jul 23 05:25:27 one way? Jul 23 05:26:27 yeah, not coming back to texas unless it is important Jul 23 05:29:18 halfhalo: you ever been to bear mountain? Jul 23 05:29:39 nope Jul 23 05:31:10 me neither, but will make it a mission to go this time around Jul 23 05:32:19 holycrap Jul 23 05:32:27 12GB of photos Jul 23 05:32:55 damn Jul 23 05:33:05 how many photos is that? Jul 23 05:33:18 Not that many.... Jul 23 05:36:13 ticket to sd? sd's nice. wish i were there right now for comicon. Jul 23 05:36:44 dpivs: yeah comic-con been there once Jul 23 05:36:48 it is nice Jul 23 05:36:58 san diego might lose it Jul 23 05:37:30 b/c of lack of convention center space Jul 23 05:37:57 i read about that, to anaheim. which i think would be a loss cuz sd convention center is next to gaslight(?) district which is awesome. anaheim's closest equivalent would be... downtown disney. Jul 23 05:38:01 which is sad. Jul 23 05:38:13 gaslamp Jul 23 05:38:26 yes, gaslamp. Jul 23 05:38:55 very sure comic-con will remain where it started Jul 23 05:43:24 yeah, i'm a comicon in sd fan. i'm actually in orange county near anaheim, but it just wouldn't be the same if it were up here. Jul 23 05:43:44 dpivs: yeah it is not the same Jul 23 05:43:56 i think also san fran wants to Jul 23 05:44:37 oh man, i'm gonna crash, talk to you later lonestar99. Jul 23 05:44:47 ok laters Jul 23 05:45:03 you have comiccon, I have E3 Jul 23 05:45:04 Win Jul 23 05:47:57 halfhalo: well kinda difficult Jul 23 05:48:15 E3 parking was a bitch this year Jul 23 05:48:37 but perhaps comic-con has a different niche Jul 23 05:49:08 comic-con folks are hardcore, E3 - just geeks Jul 23 05:49:20 so comic-con may win Jul 23 05:49:20 Yup Jul 23 05:49:28 But E3 was my shopping for the year Jul 23 05:49:38 yeah Jul 23 05:50:00 My Alienware and bethesda jackets are win Jul 23 05:50:09 lol Jul 23 05:50:21 just ready to back to cali Jul 23 05:50:47 to go Jul 23 05:54:17 halfhalo: you code for a living? Jul 23 05:54:49 Nah, still a student. I just do webdev as a student assistant Jul 23 05:55:46 cool, at a UC school? Jul 23 05:55:57 Nah, CSU Jul 23 05:57:14 cool, you going on vaca with family? Jul 23 05:57:21 yeah Jul 23 05:57:53 killer Jul 23 06:03:28 ready to release this next app but still needs abit to go Jul 23 06:06:08 nice Jul 23 06:09:48 wrote the original code in 2008, hopefully people will like it Jul 23 06:11:43 of course it is being rewritten Jul 23 06:13:01 lol Jul 23 06:14:10 halfhalo: what is funny? Jul 23 06:14:30 oldspicevoicemail.com Jul 23 06:16:40 it is very quite here Jul 23 06:16:54 halfhalo: win Jul 23 06:17:00 I know, right? Jul 23 06:17:05 can you set google voicemail by mp3? Jul 23 06:17:12 checking now... Jul 23 06:18:26 I think not Jul 23 06:18:27 morning Jul 23 06:18:36 nope http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/voice/thread?tid=2aa4c7629761287a&hl=en Jul 23 06:18:38 but I'm going to use gizmo 5 Jul 23 06:19:19 I want one that is just the do do do da doot doot Jul 23 06:19:39 looks like audacity is going to get some use Jul 23 06:20:05 lol Jul 23 06:20:57 morning swisstomcat Jul 23 06:26:30 Good morning Jul 23 06:26:30 good morning hotdp Jul 23 06:27:05 morning hotdp Jul 23 06:27:55 night all Jul 23 06:35:12 anyone here? Jul 23 06:35:17 nope Jul 23 06:35:22 cool Jul 23 06:37:34 wish i had more cheap beer, Jul 23 06:41:31 ok GN all, going to hit the sand Jul 23 06:47:11 morning hotdp Jul 23 08:12:07 swisstomcat, sq your TUTS+ :P Jul 23 08:12:12 saw* Jul 23 08:12:39 yeah, thought it's time to put it out of beta Jul 23 08:13:49 Do you have 3 apps out there now? Jul 23 08:15:05 more Jul 23 08:15:09 6 Jul 23 08:15:16 i think Jul 23 08:15:23 nice Jul 23 08:15:44 You got good motivation :) Mine is dropping in the summer time :-S Jul 23 08:17:51 my idea book is still full Jul 23 08:20:06 Tell me if you have some to give away :P Jul 23 08:20:56 The main problem is not ideers, more that i code 8 hours aday at work and when i am done and the weather is good. I like to enjoy the weather insteed of setting inside and code again :) Jul 23 08:25:12 i have some time to give away today Jul 23 08:27:19 i'll take some Jul 23 08:28:57 what can i do for you? Jul 23 08:29:43 create me an app that earns me about $3k per month Jul 23 08:29:44 :D Jul 23 08:30:11 i don't ask much Jul 23 08:31:00 how's it going? Jul 23 08:34:20 interesting, my guitar strings make good nail files Jul 23 08:35:48 heh Jul 23 08:36:02 i don't have THAT much time :) Jul 23 08:36:16 darn Jul 23 08:37:20 i really need to make a new app Jul 23 08:39:25 instead i find myself obsessing over my guitar Jul 23 08:40:53 you could sleep instead Jul 23 08:41:27 nah, that would be a waste Jul 23 08:42:50 maybe i should make a magic 8 ball app Jul 23 08:42:55 thats original Jul 23 08:44:13 you could make an app to remote control your camera from your pre Jul 23 08:44:36 is that possible? Jul 23 08:45:13 if so i wouldn't mind writing that one for myself Jul 23 08:45:22 i need a remote release Jul 23 08:45:29 it should be possible Jul 23 08:45:34 will need a bit of work tho Jul 23 08:45:39 Ooooh Jul 23 08:45:52 thats an awesome idea Jul 23 08:47:30 yeah Jul 23 08:47:32 i'd buy it Jul 23 08:47:38 so would i Jul 23 08:48:08 it would save spending $100 for a knock off brand shutter release Jul 23 08:49:24 Do the camera have wifi? Jul 23 08:49:44 * swisstomcat publishes app update Jul 23 08:49:54 some do Jul 23 08:49:54 app update? Jul 23 08:50:06 my public transport app Jul 23 08:50:08 found some bugs Jul 23 08:50:33 if there is wifi it should be possible Jul 23 08:51:21 yeah my camera has wifi Jul 23 08:51:57 get to it Jul 23 08:52:07 hell yeah Jul 23 08:52:35 then i can write an app to remotely play my guitar and i'll be set Jul 23 08:52:48 i have made http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.dpmobilesolutions.mediacenterremote/ and i use wifi Jul 23 08:53:24 that app looks awesome Jul 23 08:53:36 yeah, looks nice Jul 23 08:54:01 thanks :) Jul 23 08:54:14 brb smokebreak Jul 23 09:01:06 back Jul 23 09:02:04 i think i'll take a nap now Jul 23 09:04:12 good night Jul 23 09:05:15 second app update published Jul 23 09:05:33 Was it bad bugs Jul 23 09:05:44 i added more content Jul 23 09:05:48 on this one **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 15:16:14 2010 Jul 23 15:16:22 RagingMind: what app are you waiting for? Jul 23 15:19:57 I'm a big RPG fan so Crusade of Destiny looked interesting Jul 23 15:24:50 ah Jul 23 15:32:12 hrm Jul 23 15:33:37 lol Jul 23 15:33:43 stupid tropical storm.. Jul 23 15:33:47 i short sold a bunch of AMD stocks Jul 23 15:33:59 didn't work out like i was planning Jul 23 15:38:48 Wolvenhaven: heh Jul 23 15:39:01 i made out nicely on amd last year Jul 23 15:39:16 i'm never trusting nvidia again Jul 23 15:39:21 not as good as starbucks, but, really good Jul 23 15:39:27 i'm so far in the hole with the stock i bought from them years ago Jul 23 15:39:48 ok, wait till when the gubment rules on how much BP owes in damages Jul 23 15:39:51 market is a mess right now Jul 23 15:39:54 and buy as much BP stock as you can Jul 23 15:39:58 lol Jul 23 15:40:02 i'm not joking Jul 23 15:40:06 it was $66/share before Jul 23 15:40:09 i wish i could say that wasn't a wise thing to do Jul 23 15:40:30 now it's $36, it's probably going to hit $28-30 when they pay out damages Jul 23 15:40:37 my morals conflict my financial insight Jul 23 15:40:43 mine don't Jul 23 15:41:01 it's as much the government's fault as BPs Jul 23 15:41:17 how so? Jul 23 15:41:20 it was their corrupt safety inspectors who let this go on so long Jul 23 15:41:33 BP was allowed to fill out it's own government safety forms Jul 23 15:41:43 i've invested in iraqi money Jul 23 15:41:55 the safety inspectors were corrupt Jul 23 15:42:14 and honestly, it's a bunch of mid level regional managers who caused this Jul 23 15:42:19 not the parent company as a whole Jul 23 15:42:33 but you're going to double your money really quickly on BP stock Jul 23 15:42:41 yup Jul 23 15:42:48 any good RPGs on the pre currently? Jul 23 15:42:48 because the media and people have short attention spans, in 6 months when people forget about this, stock will go up Jul 23 15:42:49 crazy, but it's damn true Jul 23 15:43:00 i did short sell some dell stock Jul 23 15:43:08 when i heard about them shipping infected mobos Jul 23 15:43:12 that netted a bit Jul 23 15:43:13 haha Jul 23 15:43:29 if you can, get ahold of broadcom stock too Jul 23 15:43:36 for some reason it's becoming a huge buy Jul 23 15:43:46 there are only like 400 shares left and it's going up a lot Jul 23 15:44:04 netflix also hit a bad low and is climbing back up Jul 23 15:44:09 and disney is always a good investment Jul 23 15:44:29 google and apple keep having huge fluctuations so iunno wtf is going on with them atm Jul 23 15:45:00 realestate indexes have been great for the past few weeks too Jul 23 15:45:16 and overall, after the crap real estate market for the past 2 years Jul 23 15:45:45 i'm going to have to figure out what i can dump when the next "stimulus" package comes up Jul 23 15:45:50 that always rapes the market Jul 23 15:48:03 lol Jul 23 15:48:23 funny how that works eh? Jul 23 15:49:22 yea, because it's a political move, not an economic one Jul 23 15:51:53 i feel like a whore right now Jul 23 15:52:18 having intel, amd, hp, dell, microsoft, apple, google, and broadcom stocks Jul 23 15:52:28 i think it would be better for the economy if they just give me all the stimulus... i would spend it more responsably Jul 23 15:52:46 it actually would Jul 23 15:52:53 it cost $1.2mil per job saved Jul 23 15:53:02 wow Jul 23 15:53:07 it would have been better to give those people the money and had them laid off of their job Jul 23 15:53:20 that would have helped the economy more, but it's not about that Jul 23 15:53:32 it's about lining the pockets of whoever pays the most money to the politician Jul 23 15:53:39 right Jul 23 15:53:43 like everything Jul 23 15:53:57 it's nothing but an investment scheme, you give $X to a politician, and expect $X+X% in return Jul 23 15:54:09 yup Jul 23 15:54:50 gah, nvidia is at $10/stock Jul 23 15:54:56 when i originally bought it, it was $26 Jul 23 15:55:13 thats almost cheap enough for me to get 1 share Jul 23 15:55:23 i've got like 100 Jul 23 15:55:30 ouch Jul 23 15:55:32 i'm so pissed Jul 23 15:55:40 i bet Jul 23 15:55:43 it's been like 3 years and i've yet to be able to unload the damn stocks Jul 23 15:55:58 because as soon as i bought them, they released a chipset with a hardware bug, and they tanked and never recovered Jul 23 15:56:12 figures Jul 23 15:57:00 that one stock is killing my profits Jul 23 15:57:13 thats all it takes is one Jul 23 15:57:25 lol Jul 23 15:57:43 i had pixxar Jul 23 15:57:48 that was the best move ever Jul 23 15:57:57 during the crash of like 2000 i lost something like 10% Jul 23 15:58:11 yea Jul 23 15:58:16 that's actually when i started doing stocks Jul 23 15:58:26 i convinced my dad to give me $2k 8 years ago Jul 23 15:58:30 i had some mutual funds Jul 23 15:59:00 i've had to cash out my 401k twice in my lifetime, i'll never see a retirement Jul 23 15:59:10 ouch Jul 23 15:59:15 i'm only 20 :P Jul 23 15:59:25 they keep something like 65% when you do that Jul 23 15:59:32 this is a hobby/spending money for me Jul 23 16:00:24 gold is a good investment until you start seeing the commercials to invest in gold... thats useually a sign that they expect it to go back down Jul 23 16:00:46 i love all the gold scams now Jul 23 16:00:55 where they give you like 15% of it's worth Jul 23 16:01:03 right Jul 23 16:01:10 there was a local news report on that Jul 23 16:01:22 gold is 1.2k an ounce right now Jul 23 16:01:33 most people send in about an ounce between all their jewlry Jul 23 16:01:33 nice Jul 23 16:01:36 and they get like $200 Jul 23 16:01:54 * EmmettLollis goes looking for gold around the house Jul 23 16:02:04 it's going to be in really diluted form Jul 23 16:02:23 but pawn shops are normally the best place to sell them Jul 23 16:02:25 diluted like my mind Jul 23 16:02:42 find a big well known shop, not a cheap little corner store one Jul 23 16:02:44 build your own melting kit Jul 23 16:02:51 and you'll get about 90% Jul 23 16:02:59 damn, not bad Jul 23 16:02:59 cause they treat gold as an investment and not a pawn Jul 23 16:03:26 they'll buy it, after the stolen goods time limit expires, normally they've made a couple hundred based on rising prices Jul 23 16:04:26 so i need to go to the pawn shop and report a bunch of stolen gold Jul 23 16:04:40 just throw some random descriptions out and see if i get one right Jul 23 16:06:13 gtg bbl Jul 23 16:06:43 no, you report it to the cops Jul 23 16:06:52 and they check all the pawn shops for a matching item Jul 23 16:09:14 'morning chuqui Jul 23 16:09:28 morning chuqui Jul 23 16:09:35 morning, all Jul 23 16:15:24 good morning Jul 23 16:15:24 good morning digitalpowers Jul 23 16:26:25 Wolvenhaven: you started doing this when you were 12? Jul 23 16:26:35 yea Jul 23 16:26:40 impressive Jul 23 16:27:01 same time i started learning how to program Jul 23 16:27:02 my dad wouldn't let me play with that much money :) Jul 23 16:27:17 well it was from my college fund, and i wasn't allowed to cash it out Jul 23 16:27:22 and i'm still not allowed to cash it out Jul 23 16:27:27 How much money we talking? Jul 23 16:27:27 i tried to get him to invest in amd a LONG time ago (and it would've made him quite a bit) Jul 23 16:27:29 bbl Jul 23 16:27:32 he still holds manager access to my stocks account Jul 23 16:27:40 so i can't actually pocket any of it Jul 23 16:27:55 well, once it pays for college, then you can use it Jul 23 16:28:02 smart guy :) Jul 23 16:28:03 it has paid for college Jul 23 16:28:23 the only issue is me graduating college Jul 23 16:29:03 why is that an issue? Jul 23 16:29:14 i suck at math and are lazy Jul 23 16:29:42 heh Jul 23 16:29:53 i understand the laziness Jul 23 16:30:08 but i was good at math, so a bit different Jul 23 16:30:35 just study harder, and work to be not AS lazy Jul 23 16:30:42 which is hard to do Jul 23 16:30:50 well i've failed math twice now :P Jul 23 16:30:57 which one? Jul 23 16:31:01 calc and trig Jul 23 16:31:35 i can *do* the math, my issue is i can never determine which equation it is Jul 23 16:31:47 i got a D in my calc class the first time... that's when i found out how important the professor was Jul 23 16:32:02 next time around... slept through the class and got an A :) Jul 23 16:32:04 if you give me a list of equations that i have to solve, and i have to figure out based on syntax if it's this or that Jul 23 16:32:05 I got an F in calc 1 Jul 23 16:32:23 i can't do it, if you say "this is a binural mapping equation" i can do that Jul 23 16:32:24 And.... retaking it nao! Jul 23 16:32:39 ahhh, i gotcha Jul 23 16:32:57 i failed it the first time cause the teacher was a cunt Jul 23 16:33:01 but the second time cause i suck at it Jul 23 16:33:29 i failed it cuz i didn't drop :) i thought "i can pull off a C" Jul 23 16:33:46 well, technically didn't fail, but had to retake to continue on Jul 23 16:33:54 we're only allowed 5 drops our entire 4 years Jul 23 16:34:04 i took 0 Jul 23 16:34:10 I'm allowed 25 repeat credits Jul 23 16:34:14 already used 5... Jul 23 16:34:17 still made it out in 4 years Jul 23 16:34:20 and have 5 years left Jul 23 16:34:21 we can repeat as many as we want Jul 23 16:34:32 but it goes on your gpa until you get a better grade Jul 23 16:34:39 with a bit of transfer credit (although not much of it was useful)... oh and maybe 1 or 2 summer school classes Jul 23 16:34:46 so if you fail enough and don't repeat them to bring it up, your gpa will suck and they'll kick you out Jul 23 16:35:05 interesting... Jul 23 16:35:20 all grades went towards gpa even if i retook Jul 23 16:35:30 we have a forgiveness policy Jul 23 16:35:37 First retake for me replaces, second averages Jul 23 16:35:38 if you get a better grade it replaces it and the other one dissapears Jul 23 16:35:48 so you can fail it like 4 times Jul 23 16:35:55 wow, that's nice of them Jul 23 16:35:57 and on the 5th time get an A, and only the A shows up Jul 23 16:36:01 I took calc 1 in 11th grade Jul 23 16:36:21 which is nice, because if you have Cs and Ds and only need a few GPA points Jul 23 16:36:26 you can retake them to get As Jul 23 16:36:37 Wolvenhaven: where do you go? Jul 23 16:36:47 like if you're at 3.40 or something, and you need a 3.5 to get into somewhere Jul 23 16:36:50 and halfhalo_class, why do you still have 5 years left? Jul 23 16:36:55 georgia college and state university Jul 23 16:37:06 Comp Sci degree Jul 23 16:37:31 Wolvenhaven: that would be nice Jul 23 16:37:49 shouldn't comp sci still only be 4 years? Jul 23 16:38:30 not in this economy... Jul 23 16:39:18 why does the economy change things/ Jul 23 16:39:37 Shitload of people going back to school Jul 23 16:40:00 jeez, i m so busy trying to get votes Jul 23 16:40:06 i couldnt even work on my pdk app lol Jul 23 16:40:26 that's understandable (as my brother did that), but how does that push it to 5 years? or is the curriculum just made that way? Jul 23 16:40:48 Not enough classes to have a full schedule Jul 23 16:40:55 it takes an average of 5 years now to graduate Jul 23 16:41:07 the only 5 year plan i knew of was a neurobiology plan in our engineering dept, but that was like EE + Bio (almost 2 full degrees) Jul 23 16:41:51 hrm Jul 23 16:42:09 is the pre plus touchstone ready? or do i need to get the package with the new battery cover? Jul 23 16:43:17 discombobulate, pre plus is ready for the TS Jul 23 16:43:58 RagingMind; cool. thanks for the confirmation. Jul 23 16:44:05 RagingMind: it comes with the back cover? Jul 23 16:44:35 the back cover looked a little special Jul 23 16:44:50 and it's that rubberized type instead of that glossy one Jul 23 16:44:53 hmmm Jul 23 16:44:55 the back cover that comes with the pre plus works with the touchstone, yes Jul 23 16:45:13 i feel shafted Jul 23 16:45:30 get the original pre... pay for touchstone and back cover... Jul 23 16:45:40 pre plus comes out... comes with cover :( Jul 23 16:45:47 I have two extra touchstones.... Jul 23 16:45:47 yeah :/ Jul 23 16:45:57 No backs, because I gave my extra away Jul 23 16:46:14 does it only work on the touchstone? Jul 23 16:46:27 * HattCzech_work wants a new palm device... Jul 23 16:46:35 * HattCzech_work looks in chuqui's direction Jul 23 16:46:54 * halfhalo_class grabs crowbar Jul 23 16:46:57 hattczech_work averts gaze Jul 23 16:47:05 'cause i noticed they had that powermat at bestbuy Jul 23 16:47:10 chuqui, you should give the next 100 after 221 a free palm Jul 23 16:47:12 =-| Jul 23 16:47:18 i still dont have a palm yet heh Jul 23 16:47:30 Nyceane: you should use the winnings to purchase a device ;) Jul 23 16:47:44 i have $7000 debt i need to pay =P Jul 23 16:47:50 discombobulate: powermat is a bit different Jul 23 16:47:51 i spent the money before i even got the winning =-| Jul 23 16:47:54 oh, HattCzech_work Jul 23 16:48:07 i m on TED now =) Jul 23 16:48:08 http://blog.ted.com/2010/07/meet_the_tedglo.php Jul 23 16:48:14 and it doesn't work... i tried it at CES earlier this year Jul 23 16:48:31 you were at the CES? Jul 23 16:48:32 me too? Jul 23 16:48:35 me too lol Jul 23 16:48:38 ah.. alright.. cool.. thanks Jul 23 16:48:43 I was at.... E3 because it was free! Jul 23 16:49:11 I ended up paying $1200 for a table in the club because there were too many dudes, although I went to CES for free Jul 23 16:49:16 lol Jul 23 16:49:54 hahah Jul 23 16:50:01 well there's where your debt comes from ;) Jul 23 16:50:12 E3 is great for getting free clothes Jul 23 16:50:27 and yeah, i went for free as well (and will be going again this coming year)... it's been 3-4 years in a row now Jul 23 16:50:29 worthwhile free clothes? Jul 23 16:50:34 Yup Jul 23 16:50:41 Media= awesome stuff Jul 23 16:50:43 blizzard tshirt? Jul 23 16:50:48 Going to CES this year as well Jul 23 16:51:02 No blizzard, but alienware hoodie, and Bethesda jacket Jul 23 16:51:13 and like 30 onlive brick t-shirts Jul 23 16:51:24 i went to the palm area this year, and they had a small dev meetup Jul 23 16:51:28 i can see you at the CES Jul 23 16:51:33 its free to register right now Jul 23 16:51:34 i happened to stumble in upon it, but it was cool Jul 23 16:52:00 Its going to be a pain to drive there, but whatevs Jul 23 16:52:06 got free food and drinks, so that was awesome Jul 23 16:52:43 All media at e3 got free lunch Jul 23 16:52:48 and comped parking Jul 23 16:52:54 by north koreans Jul 23 16:53:28 i know some south koreans, but no north... Jul 23 16:53:33 (worked at samsung) Jul 23 16:53:44 its was for the game homefront Jul 23 16:54:26 hey chuqui, can i request a feature for the new palm device that hasn't been annouced yet? Jul 23 16:55:09 sure. Jul 23 16:55:20 802.11n and bluetooth 4.0 :) Jul 23 16:55:31 there are patches for that Jul 23 16:55:32 and a sparkly pony. Jul 23 16:55:48 3.0 would be good, but if it managed to be the first with 4.0, that would be very cool Jul 23 16:55:49 Theres a patch for that as well Jul 23 16:55:54 we'll just have to see whether you get your wish or not, though... Jul 23 16:55:56 (grin) Jul 23 16:56:09 heheh, i can hope Jul 23 16:57:36 (i'm hoping that's an evil grin with an emphasis on "i know something you don't know") Jul 23 16:57:54 but as you said, we'll just have to wait and see Jul 23 16:58:09 halfhalo_class: i'm sure i Jul 23 16:58:16 I'll be working CES again this year Jul 23 16:58:27 pandora--: working it, huh? Jul 23 16:58:32 worked it in vegas for a few days last year Jul 23 16:58:41 and CTIA in san diego Jul 23 16:58:43 for which company? Jul 23 16:58:54 TuneWiki in the Nokia booth Jul 23 16:58:56 and what do you do? Jul 23 16:59:01 okay cool Jul 23 16:59:02 we're big partners with Nokia Jul 23 17:02:35 i just met the vp of product design at Nokia Jul 23 17:03:03 he said they are not that much into smart phones right now due to the fact they are making more profits off regular phones Jul 23 17:11:23 and because their smartphones suck Jul 23 17:11:27 did he mention that? Jul 23 17:11:41 ok, not totally true, but they're not great Jul 23 17:21:41 pandora--, their ideal is that you can have your phone on for at least 3 days before it runs out of battery Jul 23 17:21:46 at least that was his agrument Jul 23 17:22:01 that would be a nice trend Jul 23 17:22:05 i remember those days... Jul 23 17:22:14 and if possible, 7 days Jul 23 17:22:16 my pre hardly makes it through a day Jul 23 17:22:27 any smart phone hardly make it through a day Jul 23 17:23:50 sad Jul 23 17:23:53 my Pre died last night :( Jul 23 17:24:03 i loved my sony ericssons that would go for days Jul 23 17:24:17 maik: like... battery died? or really died? Jul 23 17:24:47 well, battery died, but now it won't come back on. doesn't give me the "i have a really low battery, but i'm still charging" screen either Jul 23 17:25:55 yikes Jul 23 17:25:58 remove the battery? Jul 23 17:26:19 yep, done all of thta Jul 23 17:26:20 that Jul 23 17:26:27 return to sprint store?:) Jul 23 17:26:44 it isn't getting warm or anything while on the charger Jul 23 17:26:50 ya, i'm going down there this afternoon Jul 23 17:26:50 i'm picking up my wife's 4th pixi from sprint today Jul 23 17:26:53 yaayyyyy Jul 23 17:27:00 heh Jul 23 17:27:07 fuck palm hardware Jul 23 17:27:16 what's she gonna do with all them pixis? Jul 23 17:27:18 webos is badass, but come on. Jul 23 17:27:25 haeffb_pre: bakes them in pies Jul 23 17:27:29 maik! your phone acting up? Jul 23 17:27:36 pixi pie! Jul 23 17:27:46 she gonna get you drunk, get you phone drunk off her pixi's Jul 23 17:27:57 i like this plan Jul 23 17:28:16 her pixi pixis, her lovely pixi pixis Jul 23 17:28:20 digitalpowers: ya :( Jul 23 17:28:21 shit i have the alcoholic tolerance of a 10 year old Jul 23 17:28:38 i am sure john has got your back, have you contacted him yet? Jul 23 17:28:41 i can only have one drink Jul 23 17:28:42 weak Jul 23 17:28:47 yep, he said bring it in so they can test the battery, etc. Jul 23 17:29:00 woot Jul 23 17:29:09 so i'm keeping myself busy trying to make Zimbra play nice with AD via LDAP Jul 23 17:29:10 i love that he has a repair jobie now Jul 23 17:29:17 ya, pretty awesome Jul 23 17:29:44 i am sitting here looking at chipmonk and trying to think of a fun physics game i can make :D Jul 23 17:30:01 hah Jul 23 17:30:32 you can see a chipmunk from where you are? Jul 23 17:30:48 ... no, chipmunk the physics engine ... Jul 23 17:30:55 call it "nut slapper" and the chipmonk has to see how far it can slap an acorn through the forest Jul 23 17:31:07 aw. we all thought this was an actual rodent :( Jul 23 17:31:13 woo, 8 downloads yesterday Jul 23 17:31:17 haha, nut slapper Jul 23 17:31:18 maik: app? Jul 23 17:31:25 Emergency Lights Jul 23 17:31:26 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=net.halfzero.emergencylights Jul 23 17:31:27 sry, i did not mean to confuse, although nut slapper isnt a bad idea Jul 23 17:31:29 * maik pats dekan Jul 23 17:31:29 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr Jul 23 17:31:55 lol Jul 23 17:31:57 http://www.myappbox.com/a/net.halfzero.emergencylights/ too Jul 23 17:32:20 are you at work today maik or did you get friday off like your fellows/ Jul 23 17:32:26 maik: people are buying this... that's awesome Jul 23 17:33:09 pandora--: you're telling me. it was such a stupid idea, but i had a theory that people buy stupid things Jul 23 17:33:18 sure enough, it worked. i was really only expecting to make a couple bucks Jul 23 17:33:43 digitalpowers: at work, haven't exactly worked a full week yet. even still though i don't think i'll be doing 4 10s on a regular basis Jul 23 17:33:55 ahh Jul 23 17:34:28 haha holy crap. i just found "The Complete Internet & World Wide Web Programming Training Course (Student Edition) Jul 23 17:34:41 brand new, in the box, still shrink-wrapped Jul 23 17:35:02 lol wtf does that even mean? Jul 23 17:35:25 ready for the system req's? Jul 23 17:35:36 Windows 95/98, Windows NT 4.x/Windows 2000 Jul 23 17:35:38 wow. somebody missed their opportunity to program thw www Jul 23 17:35:38 30 MB disk space Jul 23 17:35:42 32 MB RAM Jul 23 17:35:45 8x CD-ROM drive or higher Jul 23 17:35:49 Sound card support Jul 23 17:35:59 hahahahahaha Jul 23 17:36:04 ya, i wish i had seen it so i could have programmed it Jul 23 17:36:11 dude your predicessor was a tard me thinkith Jul 23 17:36:20 hahahah Jul 23 17:36:30 Soundblast 16 required? Jul 23 17:36:33 *soundblaster Jul 23 17:36:35 i've discovered that this is years upon years of crap, not necessarily my immediate predecessor Jul 23 17:37:00 Comprehensive coverage of Web development techniques: Master HTML, DHTML, XML, JavaScript, VBScript, Perl, CGI, ActiveX, and more!" Jul 23 17:37:20 i wonder how much i could sell this for on eBay Jul 23 17:37:24 there is more!? Jul 23 17:37:30 AND MORE!!! Jul 23 17:38:20 MSRP: $109.32 Jul 23 17:38:22 http://vig.pearsonhighered.com/educator/academic/product/0,3110,0130425419,00.html Jul 23 17:38:38 wait..that's a different version Jul 23 17:39:12 http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Complete-Internet-and-World-Wide-Web-Programming-Training-Course/p/9780130856098 there we go Jul 23 17:40:56 its like finding free money! Jul 23 17:42:04 it's like spending 3 hours on a stupid app and making $500 off of it! Jul 23 17:43:35 cry Jul 23 17:47:36 just came across some awesome NIST sample security awareness posters Jul 23 17:50:58 AAAAAAAAAARajgklhklahfekljafkdhfjakssa Jul 23 17:51:14 what a freaking waste of paper Jul 23 17:51:57 one of the predecessors created a "knowledge base" binder. it's full of blog and forum posts for various troubles they ran into Jul 23 17:52:05 just printed the shit out and stuck it in a binder Jul 23 17:52:34 including microsoft and symantec KB articles Jul 23 17:53:00 and symantec security bulletins Jul 23 17:55:45 ooooh just wanted i wanted!!! a printout of a vbscript! Jul 23 18:00:00 wtf are you talking about maik Jul 23 18:00:25 hahaha Jul 23 18:01:55 all this shit i'm finding in my new office Jul 23 18:02:18 just found a never-been-opened WD 320GB 7200RPM hard drive Jul 23 18:04:48 i'll take it Jul 23 18:06:23 local pickup only Jul 23 18:07:33 where local == ? Jul 23 18:08:04 pullman, wa Jul 23 18:08:36 only 159 miles away! Jul 23 18:08:56 * oilsworkn is in yakima Jul 23 18:09:40 nice! Jul 23 18:10:30 oilsworkn: run quickly, yakima is one of the scariest places to live in WA Jul 23 18:10:50 its not so bad Jul 23 18:11:26 ... and you say you have been there ... interesting Jul 23 18:11:39 heh Jul 23 18:12:02 not been, ive lived here my whole life Jul 23 18:12:04 never been shot at Jul 23 18:12:07 lol Jul 23 18:12:13 i mean ... it is the palm springs of washington armpit Jul 23 18:12:18 lol Jul 23 18:12:22 that sign is hilarious Jul 23 18:12:30 regex, once again you have foiled my plans for world domination Jul 23 18:12:41 hahahaha, i was born there, have ltos of family there, never much liked it, but i figure it gives me the right to mock it Jul 23 18:13:24 * oilsworkn has no complaints Jul 23 18:13:50 well next time you're in town visiting family, you should hit me up Jul 23 18:14:53 i will let you know next time i am around, although mostly we all meet in walla walla, more central and the parrents are there Jul 23 18:15:49 Anyone know where to download WebOS Doctor 1.4.5 for a Verizon Pre+ developer unit? Jul 23 18:15:58 * halfhalo_class dies Jul 23 18:16:13 * maik kills you Jul 23 18:16:21 now, you may die Jul 23 18:16:49 brettvank i am not sure where / if there is one but the early access developer forums would be the place to ask Jul 23 18:17:18 srsly, this should be working Jul 23 18:18:16 oh... my... god Jul 23 18:18:26 * oilsworkn thinks we need washington webos meetup now :) Jul 23 18:18:30 I was using match instead of split Jul 23 18:18:38 brettvank: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573 Jul 23 18:21:56 thanks swisstomcat :) Jul 23 18:22:21 or wait until verzion gets 1.4.5 Jul 23 18:25:00 is there any idea on the delay of 1.4.5 now here in the us? Jul 23 18:26:04 my idea is it sucks Jul 23 18:26:37 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 23 18:26:49 carrier certification seem to take unusually long Jul 23 18:27:27 the sprint 1.4.5 doctor is out and about, so seems like sprint could be done with validation Jul 23 18:32:13 hi all is there any reason why something like layar isn't available for webos ? Jul 23 18:32:43 hi Jul 23 18:32:57 yeah, api's are not ready yet (camera) Jul 23 18:33:10 and there's no compass hardware in the current hardware Jul 23 18:33:27 that's frustrating... in emulator i can click a yammer attachment photo and it opens in the browser Jul 23 18:33:44 but if I do it on the actual device... it just loads a blank browser window Jul 23 18:33:56 but it gives the progress bar like it downloaded the image Jul 23 18:34:01 swisstomcat, ah shit, didn't know about the compass Jul 23 18:34:02 but doesn't display it :( Jul 23 18:34:15 I was already looking for a compass app :( Jul 23 18:34:54 hopefully in the next hardware .. and we should get a better camera api in the fall Jul 23 18:35:07 Anyone have any quadband phones that they are not using Jul 23 18:35:18 that are unloacked Jul 23 18:35:51 swisstomcat, its a shame, since with the 3D support augumented reality could be very nice Jul 23 18:36:02 yeah, it would be nice Jul 23 18:36:16 guess we'll have to wait a bit Jul 23 18:36:19 yup Jul 23 18:36:46 is there a way to look inside the preinstalled code ? Jul 23 18:36:54 yeah Jul 23 18:37:00 do you have the skd installed? Jul 23 18:37:02 I would like to tweak the exchange account to work better with notes Jul 23 18:37:10 sdk yeah Jul 23 18:37:18 the apps are there Jul 23 18:37:30 oh really Jul 23 18:38:00 opt/palmsdk/0.1/share/refcode/applications Jul 23 18:38:17 ah okay :) Jul 23 18:38:27 Palm webOS core application source code has been included in this directory and is licensed to you pursuant to the terms and conditions set out in the PALM SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT KIT LICENSE AGREEMENT. Jul 23 18:39:06 you can use them and improve them Jul 23 18:39:49 ah not bad Jul 23 18:44:10 need to figure out where EAS fits in to tweak it then :) Jul 23 18:47:24 yeah Jul 23 18:47:29 that might be some work Jul 23 18:47:41 or it might be in a background java service Jul 23 18:48:58 which is not opensource ? Jul 23 18:50:44 what does $L('text') do? Jul 23 18:50:56 localization replacement Jul 23 18:51:11 "text" is used as the key for translating Jul 23 18:51:48 ah, thanks. Jul 23 18:52:02 is that a prototype thing or a Mojo thing? Jul 23 18:52:17 * appamajig is back. Jul 23 18:53:41 swisstomcat, is there a way to debug the backend services ? Jul 23 18:53:59 swisstomcat, I run into the issue that EAS with Notes doesn't sync tasks Jul 23 18:54:28 which is a specific webos issue, it works fine to a nokia phone with EAS Jul 23 18:54:49 i don't think there's a way Jul 23 18:55:03 but i don't know enough about the background services Jul 23 18:55:16 you might better ask in #webos-internals .. maybe they know something Jul 23 18:55:51 swisstomcat, okay thx Jul 23 18:56:54 hello appamajig Jul 23 19:12:56 WebOS has a major bug in dealing with multiple call handleing Jul 23 19:13:06 drives me freaking nuts Jul 23 19:13:11 what is it? Jul 23 19:13:31 if you have multiple calls, and one is on hold handing up ends all of them Jul 23 19:13:54 also if someone is calling and I end my first call, it ignores the incoming call Jul 23 19:13:57 hah I have NEVER been able to answer a call waiting and return to the original caller Jul 23 19:13:58 ever Jul 23 19:14:09 yeah same here drives me nuts Jul 23 19:14:21 that screen makes no damn sense Jul 23 19:14:47 I feel as if I am going to smash this phone... Jul 23 19:20:01 OK people have stopped calling me... all better Jul 23 19:22:38 i hardly use my phone for calling Jul 23 19:22:42 CTLAdvance: palmOS waa the same way Jul 23 19:23:27 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 23 19:23:36 I figure the decision on how to handle call waiting was made by someone high up @ palm and nobody could ever convince him it was dumb Jul 23 19:23:36 haeffb_pre - my palmos treo was fine so long as my calls stayed under 10 minutes. If I had just one call over 10 minutes, it would overheat and fry the board Jul 23 19:23:44 but I still miss my old treo 600 Jul 23 19:24:00 haeffb_pre I agree Jul 23 19:24:31 Maybe they didnt have enough time/money to test the call functionality ;) Jul 23 19:30:26 CTLAdvance: they need to implement a "hang up on current call and accept incoming call" sort of feature Jul 23 19:30:38 for when you're leaving a voicemail for someone and they call you back in the middle Jul 23 19:30:50 exactly Jul 23 19:31:06 it happens WAY TOO OFTEN Jul 23 19:31:07 that drives me nuts then you hang up on the vm, and it ignores them Jul 23 19:31:14 yup Jul 23 19:31:22 and you call them back which goes to vm and it happens again and again Jul 23 19:31:28 so you wait like 5 minutes Jul 23 19:31:30 and call Jul 23 19:31:32 hahahaha yeah Jul 23 19:31:33 and it happens again Jul 23 19:32:13 a "drop background call" would be nice as well (when someone is on hold or you switch) Jul 23 19:35:34 third app update submitted today Jul 23 19:54:37 * appamajig is back. Jul 23 20:07:07 any thoughts on apps i should buy before they're no longer 1/2 off? Jul 23 20:07:36 iHate411 Jul 23 20:07:46 it does have something like 4.5 stars Jul 23 20:08:26 hahaha, i love self-promotion, but don't really have a use for it :) Jul 23 20:08:58 i've got asphalt 5 and n.o.v.a Jul 23 20:09:00 Glad it's Not Me Jul 23 20:09:06 that's a good time waster app Jul 23 20:09:16 i have an insurance replacement on the way :( Jul 23 20:09:19 for my Pre Jul 23 20:09:34 i think it's bullshit, btw, that they send you a remanufactured/recertified phone Jul 23 20:10:43 maik: they're usually in really good condition Jul 23 20:10:52 (based on my experience with a treo 700p) Jul 23 20:10:58 :) so not quite the same Jul 23 20:11:10 oh i know, i've had a few replacements and they're all in _really good_ condition Jul 23 20:11:36 but it's dumb that i'm paying $7/mo for the lifetime of the phone, then a $100 charge any time it needs a replacement if it's out of warranty Jul 23 20:12:34 i agree Jul 23 20:12:43 i'm going to try to get my replaced w/o the $100 fee Jul 23 20:12:53 because mine is developing a crack along the usb plug Jul 23 20:12:59 good luck Jul 23 20:13:07 has been developing... finally got to the screen Jul 23 20:13:27 ya, i had that as well. they told me it's not covered Jul 23 20:13:32 they said it's stupid, but not covered Jul 23 20:13:35 what!? that's crap Jul 23 20:13:37 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 23 20:13:42 how is that NOT covered? Jul 23 20:13:48 ya. it's a design flaw that apparently no one has admitted to yet Jul 23 20:14:05 cracks like that or more easily blamed on trauma than defect Jul 23 20:14:26 i take responsibility for the scratches on the screen... but not for the crack Jul 23 20:14:27 mine has the same crack and they said that they would like to do the replacement based on that, but it wouldn't fly with asurion Jul 23 20:14:31 same here Jul 23 20:14:31 that's crap :/ Jul 23 20:14:37 did i win yet? Jul 23 20:15:18 deliciousmorsel: i plan to buy twee here in a few minutes, so yes, that means you win ;) Jul 23 20:15:32 :D Jul 23 20:15:37 wait, what was the contest? can i win? Jul 23 20:15:39 its like buying me a beer Jul 23 20:15:47 so thanks for getting me drunk! Jul 23 20:20:37 adios all Jul 23 20:20:42 have a good weekend Jul 23 20:26:47 * appamajig is back. Jul 23 20:29:40 awesome Jul 23 20:29:41 no, maik, YOU'RE AWESOME! Jul 23 20:29:46 no, dekan, you're awesome! Jul 23 20:29:47 i see what you did there... Jul 23 20:31:19 hi Tibfib Jul 23 20:31:28 hi dkirker Jul 23 20:31:38 botsnack Jul 23 20:31:38 * dekan nom nom nom Jul 23 20:31:45 hi maik Jul 23 20:31:55 no no, you're doing it wrong Jul 23 20:31:59 someone is supposed to say hi to me next Jul 23 20:32:06 then someone says hi to them Jul 23 20:32:08 hi maik Jul 23 20:32:52 GET IT!? Jul 23 20:33:25 my brain makes weird associations, i apologize Jul 23 20:33:33 somebody unbordify me... Jul 23 20:33:35 dkirker: howdy Jul 23 20:33:36 apology accepted Jul 23 20:33:48 dkirker: play with dekan, he's lonely Jul 23 20:34:00 * dkirker pokes dekan Jul 23 20:34:01 BUUUUURRRRRPPPP! Jul 23 20:34:04 LOL Jul 23 20:34:10 scoobysnack Jul 23 20:34:10 Scoobydoobeedoo! Jul 23 20:34:12 I was *not* expecting that Jul 23 20:34:15 hi swisstomcat Jul 23 20:34:18 :D Jul 23 20:34:22 hi digitalpowers Jul 23 20:34:26 sigh Jul 23 20:34:26 dammit swisstomcat Jul 23 20:34:31 you lose the game Jul 23 20:34:33 not The Game Jul 23 20:34:35 but my game Jul 23 20:34:39 maik: I thought that I already lost it? Jul 23 20:34:41 though, now that i mention it, you lost The Game too Jul 23 20:34:44 you suck, maik ;) Jul 23 20:34:49 dkirker: yes, swisstomcat loses to Jul 23 20:34:50 o Jul 23 20:34:52 guys Jul 23 20:34:54 the conversation Jul 23 20:34:57 is moving too fast Jul 23 20:35:01 it's giving me the dizzies Jul 23 20:35:07 don't stand up!! Jul 23 20:35:11 or do! :D Jul 23 20:35:19 I wish that it could be spoken out loud by a computer voice Jul 23 20:36:01 which part? I could do that with my Mac and get everybody in the office to give me a funny look... :/ Jul 23 20:36:24 what could you do with your mac? Jul 23 20:36:43 make it speak Jul 23 20:36:46 make it speak Jul 23 20:36:51 get Chatzilla to speak everyone's conversations spoken outloud with different inflections for every person Jul 23 20:36:58 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 23 20:36:59 oh man Jul 23 20:37:03 I am bumbling Jul 23 20:37:06 who in the hell decided 3OH!3 is Alternative? Jul 23 20:37:15 you must forgive me Jul 23 20:37:19 the coworked moved the fan off of me Jul 23 20:37:26 I am overheating like an intel pentium 4 Jul 23 20:37:36 burrrrrrrrrn! Jul 23 20:37:38 it's a small room with no air flow Jul 23 20:37:39 heh, i'm so punny Jul 23 20:37:44 so we need the fan! Jul 23 20:37:59 900 degrees outside Jul 23 20:38:11 *10^-1 ? Jul 23 20:38:19 this database guy was getting taught JSON by his student assistant the other day. Jul 23 20:38:24 I LOLed really hard Jul 23 20:38:27 heh Jul 23 20:38:40 he made a comment like, "so it's like xml" Jul 23 20:38:48 did his student smack him? Jul 23 20:38:58 haha I wish Jul 23 20:39:05 that has been my suggestion as of late Jul 23 20:39:07 to deal with problems Jul 23 20:39:09 slap people Jul 23 20:39:11 no smacking Jul 23 20:39:14 full out slaps Jul 23 20:39:19 that's how i was getting at my old place Jul 23 20:39:25 "yeah, it's *EXACTLY* like XML........." Jul 23 20:39:28 dekan: json is holy|awesome|magical Jul 23 20:39:29 Okay, Tibfib. Jul 23 20:39:29 heh Jul 23 20:39:39 dekan: json Jul 23 20:39:39 json is holy|awesome|magical Jul 23 20:39:45 hmm Jul 23 20:39:45 I am actually against json for websockets Jul 23 20:39:47 what the Jul 23 20:39:51 dekan: forget json Jul 23 20:39:51 I was trying to use it yesterday Jul 23 20:39:51 A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand. Jul 23 20:39:56 Tibfib: | doesn't work like you think it works Jul 23 20:40:01 dekan: forget json Jul 23 20:40:01 dekan: delete json Jul 23 20:40:01 I don't know Jul 23 20:40:02 Unhand me, defiler! Jul 23 20:40:06 dekan: delete json Jul 23 20:40:06 Okay, maik, 1 factoid deleted. Jul 23 20:40:14 For some reason I can't get dekan to delete stuff, every Jul 23 20:40:16 ever* Jul 23 20:40:20 after trying to use JSON for two days, I realized that strings with a predetermined format were much simpler to deal with Jul 23 20:40:24 ya, i'm not sure what the deal is with that Jul 23 20:40:28 wait let's see Jul 23 20:40:29 for websockets Jul 23 20:40:40 and it would result in me sending less data Jul 23 20:40:44 than formatting as json Jul 23 20:40:51 Tibfib: try teaching that same thing again Jul 23 20:40:59 with | ? Jul 23 20:41:02 ya Jul 23 20:41:02 and when you're doing 1500 req/s seems like it['s better to use less bandwidth Jul 23 20:41:09 i want to see if he'll let you edit it Jul 23 20:41:22 dekan: json is awesome|magical|holy|exactly like XML Jul 23 20:41:22 Okay, Tibfib. Jul 23 20:41:30 dekan: json Jul 23 20:41:31 json is awesome|magical|holy|exactly like XML Jul 23 20:41:38 try: dekan: json =~ s/awesome|magical|holy|exactly like XML/awesome/ Jul 23 20:41:45 botsmack Jul 23 20:41:45 OUCH Jul 23 20:41:50 dekan: delete json Jul 23 20:41:50 I do not know. Jul 23 20:41:57 Tibfib: try what i said ^ Jul 23 20:41:57 dekan: forget json Jul 23 20:41:58 Unhand me, defiler! Jul 23 20:42:03 dekan: json =~ s/awesome|magical|holy|exactly like XML/awesome/ Jul 23 20:42:07 * appamajig is back. Jul 23 20:42:10 hrmm Jul 23 20:42:10 dekan: json =~ s/awesome|magical|holy|exactly like XML/awesome/ Jul 23 20:42:10 Okay, Tibfib, factoid updated. Jul 23 20:42:17 dekan: json Jul 23 20:42:17 json is awesome Jul 23 20:42:21 dekan is a bot? Jul 23 20:42:23 so that's cool i guess Jul 23 20:42:25 yeah Jul 23 20:42:26 dekan: are you a bot? Jul 23 20:42:26 i'm not a bot! kesne is a bot! Jul 23 20:42:27 scoobysnack Jul 23 20:42:27 Scoobydoobeedoo! Jul 23 20:42:38 swisstomcat: i guess not Jul 23 20:42:49 heh Jul 23 20:42:53 uhh maik, json is awesome every time Jul 23 20:42:56 guise stop messing with the bot! Jul 23 20:42:57 dekan: json Jul 23 20:42:57 json is awesome Jul 23 20:42:58 dekan: json Jul 23 20:42:59 json is awesome Jul 23 20:43:00 * swisstomcat slaps dekan with a giant wet trout Jul 23 20:43:03 dekan: cry Jul 23 20:43:04 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Jul 23 20:43:13 dekan: stop yelling at me Jul 23 20:43:13 UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING Jul 23 20:43:13 Tibfib: do you understand regex ? Jul 23 20:43:30 you told him to change what you taught him to just awesome Jul 23 20:43:39 maik: oh hahah Jul 23 20:43:44
Speaking of Json. How would I remove values from the json object. In other words filter out data from it.. Jul 23 20:43:48 I guess I should have looked at what I did Jul 23 20:44:06 dd: that's a broad question... be more specific Jul 23 20:44:33 I bet one of us can help you Jul 23 20:44:58
I'm doing an ajax call and it returns a json object. I'm assinging it to a list. Jul 23 20:45:11
I would like to provide a filter to the list. Jul 23 20:46:32 dd: how do you want to filter it Jul 23 20:48:10
I would like to remove values. Jul 23 20:48:30
I am returning a list of products. Jul 23 20:48:40
and would like to remove products from the liest Jul 23 20:49:51 dd: how are you populating the list? a loop through the json? Jul 23 20:52:55 night everyone Jul 23 20:53:13
In the mojo list . You simply do this:this.listModel.items = this.json.products; Jul 23 20:53:19 night mary ellen Jul 23 20:53:36 night sweetheart Jul 23 20:53:54 swisstomcat: night Jul 23 20:54:42 dd: you'll have to loop through the json and remove stuff you don't want Jul 23 21:07:17
Tibfib. cool. I guess I'm confused on how to create a loop through the existing object .. Is there a for each in javascript Jul 23 21:07:37 dd: yes but you're not supposed to use it with prototype Jul 23 21:07:42 it gets ugly, fast Jul 23 21:08:51
how do you recommend that I loop through a json object. Remove items based on if clause. Create a new json object based on the results. Jul 23 21:09:59 pandora--: ugly how? Jul 23 21:10:45 dd: this.json.products is an array Jul 23 21:10:54
ahh.. Jul 23 21:11:08 as is this.listModel.items Jul 23 21:11:22
thanks I thought it was a javascript object Jul 23 21:11:42 haeffb: js for each traverses the prototype attributes in addition to your known array elements Jul 23 21:11:55 I'm assuming this.json is an object and products is an array inside the json object Jul 23 21:12:06 haeffb: so an array of 3 elements might loop in a for each about 30 times with all the hiddenn prototype stuff Jul 23 21:12:19 pandora--: that's why you use the .hasOwnProperty() method Jul 23 21:12:28 hrm? Jul 23 21:12:29 how so? Jul 23 21:12:43 just a sec, see if I can find an example Jul 23 21:14:05 http://webos.pastebin.com/aiyX7Bjr Jul 23 21:14:21 .hasOwnProperty tests to see if the property is from the object or it's prototype Jul 23 21:23:31 anyone here a bbm user? (past/present) that could help me out with a few questions? Jul 23 21:23:48 This would be great on webOS - http://www.sixtoeightapp.com/ Jul 23 21:24:00 Tibfib: I use bbm sparingly Jul 23 21:24:14 dohtem: but do you understand how it works? Jul 23 21:24:29 (as a user, not as a developer) Jul 23 21:24:38 haeffb: thx Jul 23 21:26:10 dohtem: woops, that may have come out a little harsher than I meant it... I meant: do you use it enough to be able to answer a few questions about how it works? Jul 23 21:27:42 Yeah... np :) Jul 23 21:27:48 okay, cool Jul 23 21:36:54 howdy Jul 23 21:37:58 doody Jul 23 21:38:28 "Application updates are now available." Jul 23 21:40:01 hey haeffb, would you help me to vote for a webapp that I've built? =) Jul 23 21:40:26 well, I can't think of anything better to do at the moment... Jul 23 21:40:40 http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars Jul 23 21:40:56 Nice! would you please cast a vote for it? =) Jul 23 21:46:22 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 23 21:47:38 Thunderbird thinks this message may be a scam. Jul 23 21:53:10 haeffb =_= Jul 23 21:53:17 how is it a scam? --- Jul 23 21:53:28 I dunno. Thunderbird says it is. Jul 23 21:53:33 ask Thunderbird. Jul 23 21:53:38 haeffb, i can register an account for you. I just don't want to get banned for voting for myself too many times Jul 23 21:53:48 already voted Jul 23 21:53:51 thanks =) Jul 23 21:53:58 for an app that looked prettier... Jul 23 21:54:05 j/k Jul 23 21:54:20 =-| Jul 23 21:54:26 I just need 100 more Jul 23 21:54:33 then I can rest for a day or 2 lol Jul 23 21:55:14 I think in terms of html/css, my app looks the best. In terms of functionality, my app offers the most Jul 23 21:55:23 in terms of information, my app distributes the most Jul 23 21:56:27 Nyceane: do you win anything? Jul 23 21:58:03 Michelle in a red dress Jul 23 21:58:52 Anyone familiar with pirate bay Jul 23 21:59:25 dohtem, honored in white house Jul 23 21:59:44 dohtem, if you can cast a vote too, I'd really be appreciated =) Jul 23 21:59:46 ah Jul 23 22:00:17 only if you promise to scream at Rahm Emanuel if you win. Jul 23 22:00:24 ok! Jul 23 22:00:29 if i see him lol Jul 23 22:03:37 all done Jul 23 22:04:40 thanks dohtem =) Jul 23 22:07:12 highest have 293 Jul 23 22:07:17 i m catching up lo; Jul 23 22:07:18 lol Jul 23 22:13:15 anyone use torrents Jul 23 22:13:48 torrents are baaaaaaad Jul 23 22:13:50 halfhalo Jul 23 22:14:03 not for like movies, music or software Jul 23 22:14:07 I wouldnt touch that Jul 23 22:14:10 There is no one here by that name, please leave a message after the beep Jul 23 22:15:23 ups time nao? Jul 23 22:16:49 so i just got a blackberry bold to travel to europe... i figure when i get back I will use my pre as a hotspot so I can get my emails on it. Jul 23 22:16:50 :) Jul 23 22:17:12 CTLAdvance: ooh.. does it do UMA? Jul 23 22:17:18 yes Jul 23 22:17:24 the 9000 is a world phone Jul 23 22:17:41 on 2g and 3g I understand Jul 23 22:18:07 but looking at the blackberry OS is painful... Jul 23 22:18:32 my old Curve did UMA. I connect to any wifi hotspot and my calls get routed over the internet Jul 23 22:18:42 Now I need to unlock it... er gut ATT... err Jul 23 22:18:46 and it uses my minutes as usual Jul 23 22:18:58 wait Jul 23 22:19:03 maybe I am missing something Jul 23 22:19:10 oh Jul 23 22:19:16 I wont have a plan on it Jul 23 22:19:21 just bought it to unlock it Jul 23 22:19:27 paid 100 cash on CL Jul 23 22:19:40 ah... and pop a local sim when you travel? Jul 23 22:31:52 sorry lost connection Jul 23 22:31:53 yes Jul 23 22:31:59 ill pop a local sim Jul 23 22:32:10 unless I can get the company to pay for a normal plan Jul 23 22:44:45 hi cdm! Jul 23 22:44:53 hello all Jul 23 22:45:02 hi LoneStar99! Jul 23 22:46:51 hey dkirker Jul 23 22:47:20 hello dkirker Jul 23 22:47:25 hello cdm Jul 23 22:47:33 cdm: Haven't seen you in a while. How are you doing? Jul 23 22:50:14 I'm doing great!! Jul 23 22:51:13 That's good to hear! Jul 23 22:51:56 whoo hoo! HP is using webOS exclusively for smartphones. Jul 23 22:52:18 I can't wait for a webOS powered picture frame, and netbook. Jul 23 22:52:39 and printers! Jul 23 22:52:40 Or better yet, tablet. Jul 23 22:52:49 anyone know if I can make a post ajax request? Jul 23 22:53:02 LoneStar99: yup Jul 23 22:53:11 its as simple as method:post Jul 23 22:53:33 was just gonna ask that replace "get" w "post" Jul 23 22:53:34 ? Jul 23 22:53:45 huh I've got $1.51 left on my card Jul 23 22:54:01 one more app! Jul 23 22:54:03 torchie: buy an app with it! Jul 23 22:54:06 :D Jul 23 22:54:16 I've got to find something amazing and un-free-able Jul 23 22:54:21 irreplaceable! Jul 23 22:54:38 HP using webOS exclusively for phones -- like anything else would be suitable ;) Jul 23 22:55:01 I just purchased PowerNap, and then used it to take a nap during my lunch break. Worth it! Jul 23 22:56:44 that looks pretty handy. i don't know if i'll ever take a nap again, but if i do I'll consider grabbing based on your review :) Jul 23 22:58:32 word Jul 23 22:58:48 hey torchie Jul 23 22:58:58 hey Jul 23 22:59:02 hmm the transformers game is 1.50 Jul 23 22:59:07 and has cel shading! Jul 23 22:59:52 I bought it Jul 23 22:59:58 Not too bad although quite linear. Jul 23 23:00:00 you're a torch! Jul 23 23:00:00 Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, torch! Jul 23 23:00:04 lol Jul 23 23:00:27 I want something that's actually designed for touchscreen/accel Jul 23 23:00:36 aspahlt! Jul 23 23:00:41 lol Jul 23 23:00:45 as opposed to something where they just make it like a regular game and paste buttons on the screen Jul 23 23:00:51 already have asphalt 5 Jul 23 23:00:53 and paratrooper lol Jul 23 23:01:11 anyone tried planet eaters? Jul 23 23:01:15 Yea Jul 23 23:01:15 there's the mario kart *cough* I mean shrek racing game Jul 23 23:01:20 I beta tested it Jul 23 23:01:25 how is it Jul 23 23:01:26 AGain quite repetitive and linear Jul 23 23:01:30 aww Jul 23 23:01:44 asphalt should last me a while since I can't even beat the first race lol Jul 23 23:01:58 maybe I should go for a productivity app Jul 23 23:02:12 I just bought scratch pad today Jul 23 23:02:22 I tried the beta and it seemed full featured enough Jul 23 23:02:44 I woulda stuck with classic but it had glitchy styling options Jul 23 23:02:47 done is cool, but you can use the beta for free... Jul 23 23:02:59 Although I do love the private and encrypted flags Jul 23 23:03:14 Of classic that is Jul 23 23:03:19 oh hey haeffb. Jul 23 23:03:30 hey Jul 23 23:03:32 "word" Jul 23 23:03:40 "wut" Jul 23 23:03:47 "wut wut" you mean? Jul 23 23:04:15 in which case Jul 23 23:04:19 * Anivrom gives haeffb props Jul 23 23:04:53 * appamajig is back. Jul 23 23:06:06 as bad as it sounds, I'm a bit skeptical about third party apps for things like tasks and notes Jul 23 23:06:35 I mean, built in palm apps backup automatically Jul 23 23:06:45 ok im paying 5 bucks to anyone that can make my list items look the way I want :P Jul 23 23:07:11 Being the html nub I am I don't want to take the time to work it out. Jul 23 23:07:17 I looked at the tasks app... and it made me want to pull out and charge my old palm pilot Jul 23 23:09:56 RagingMind: the built in one? Jul 23 23:10:57 yeah Jul 23 23:11:30 I don't see a way to make categories Jul 23 23:12:00 anyone see anything wrong with the following textfield and password setup... http://pastebin.com/2BuFXB0k Jul 23 23:19:10 you sure? Jul 23 23:19:27 are you on the front page of the tasks app Jul 23 23:19:55 icon in the corner adds a new category Jul 23 23:20:03 then you go into that and add tasks Jul 23 23:21:41 AH... Jul 23 23:22:35 ug... I still really don't like the look/feel of it Jul 23 23:23:22 I'd never actually tried adding a task because it was non obvious that the first thing that gets added is a group Jul 23 23:23:43 ah I see Jul 23 23:23:56 now I feel a bit silly Jul 23 23:24:11 still though, when you get into the actual task adding it's extremely efficient Jul 23 23:24:32 it's been a while since I used a palm extensively as an organizer, so I kind of forgot what was missing with the pre Jul 23 23:24:51 I use tasks alot for my app building. I start a new category named after my app and when I think of an idea or find a bug I put it into the task list as high priority or normal, and when I complete a task I check it off and put it under low priority sorting it to the bottom of the list. Quite efficient, that way I remember things easier Jul 23 23:24:56 except when you want to put a due date on it and you have to aim for that tiny little i Jul 23 23:24:57 on zire I actually organized, centro I dicked around, treo pro I struggled to recieve a call Jul 23 23:26:11 torchie - Done syncs automagically with Toodledo... Jul 23 23:26:19 I'll have to pull out my old Palm Pilot and play around Jul 23 23:26:40 man, twee2 is amazing Jul 23 23:26:43 there are a few things from it that I miss (like categories for the app icons) Jul 23 23:26:44 what's toodledo D: Jul 23 23:26:55 yeah categories for app icons is nice Jul 23 23:27:18 annoying to scroll down for so long, maybe this is one thing they should do iphone style Jul 23 23:27:32 http://www.toodledo.com Jul 23 23:27:35 no kinetic vertical list, just pages horizontally and one swipe gets you to the next Jul 23 23:27:43 still no update for sprint Jul 23 23:27:49 yeah Jul 23 23:27:53 :( Jul 23 23:28:05 still no leaderboard Jul 23 23:28:09 maybe they're waiting until the sale's over Jul 23 23:28:32 so far all I see is games for the pdk Jul 23 23:29:55 this is slightly strange. my phone says that it's up to date and then lists information about an update (for the version my phone is currently running) Jul 23 23:30:31 I had to doctor my phone in order to see the new update Jul 23 23:36:30 wait so the update is up? Jul 23 23:36:39 on sprint Jul 23 23:38:33 no way Jul 23 23:38:40 it can't be Jul 23 23:38:56 emmet / dawm: word Jul 23 23:39:03 what? Jul 23 23:39:14 wat Jul 23 23:39:15 wot Jul 23 23:39:16 wut Jul 23 23:40:01 it says my phone is up to date Jul 23 23:40:55 but i'm running webos 2.0.1.1 Jul 23 23:41:05 lol no wonder why Jul 23 23:41:06 i kid i kid Jul 23 23:41:09 heh Jul 23 23:41:10 I'm on webos 3.2.4 Jul 23 23:41:20 i'm on WebOS X.6 Jul 23 23:41:26 .4 Jul 23 23:41:33 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 23 23:41:58 alpha 0.0.0.01 Jul 23 23:43:26 I'm on webOS X Jul 23 23:43:48 webOS 0.0.0.01 is just an updates screen that refreshes every 5 seconds Jul 23 23:43:53 * appamajig is back. Jul 23 23:47:03 screen got seriously locked up Jul 23 23:49:47 f*ck waisting so much time trying get a stupid textfield and password field from passing errors Jul 23 23:50:52 pastebin that code again lonestar? Jul 23 23:50:56 and whats the error Jul 23 23:51:46 * haeffb gots code working for changing background colors. Jul 23 23:52:03 ok, let me try one more thing Jul 23 23:54:05 word? Jul 23 23:54:12 basically Jul 23 23:54:30 I need someone who's amazing at html to setup my list item style :P it's fairly complex Jul 23 23:56:13 Anivrom: might have gotten it squared away, it seems to have been some css shite and other code Jul 23 23:56:41 ah Jul 24 00:18:34 anyone know why I can't change the bg of a list row background with this code? Jul 24 00:18:34 .palm-row { Jul 24 00:18:35 background-image: "images/icons/z.png"; Jul 24 00:18:35 height: 65px; Jul 24 00:18:35 } Jul 24 00:19:49 I want to assign a background to each item in a list. Jul 24 00:51:32 wow.. thats 4 times in a row my throttle got stuck open.. ran two stop signs.. barely missed two cars.. almost hit a tree after jumping a curb.. i think my jeep is cursed :( Jul 24 00:51:55 jeese... Jul 24 00:52:03 no neutral? Jul 24 00:52:17 yeah i slammed it into neutral finally and shut her down Jul 24 00:52:24 but i wanted to avoid the vehicles first Jul 24 00:54:16 and as soon as i turned off the key, i turned it too far and lost brakes/steering locked Jul 24 00:54:28 ouch Jul 24 00:55:14 325 hp in a super light jeep gets from 0 - 60 very fast when the throttle is locked up Jul 24 00:56:05 mine is just like that Jul 24 00:59:03 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 24 01:20:01 wtf... how do I make an html element invisible? Jul 24 01:27:00 set the css display:none Jul 24 01:27:10 erm I wanna do it dynamically Jul 24 01:27:28 like this.controller.get("widget").visible = false; Jul 24 01:27:33 is what I have now Jul 24 01:27:35 but no worky Jul 24 01:29:44 Hmm .style.display = "none" would work I guess Jul 24 01:42:50 its quiet in here.... its quiet in here......... its quiet in here............... Jul 24 01:49:21 * oil drops pin Jul 24 01:50:29 hey.. keep it down with all that pin dropping.. Jul 24 01:53:07 this .. is .. a .. LIBRARY, be respectful please! Jul 24 02:00:48 lol firefox doesn't support webkit? Jul 24 02:00:49 weird Jul 24 02:01:39 i need a new phone Jul 24 02:01:48 word Jul 24 02:02:11 Anyone familiar with webkit in webos? Jul 24 02:11:41 is there a simple way to hash a string using MD5 in javascript? Jul 24 02:14:07 Anivrom: try this.controller.get("widget").mojo.hide(); Jul 24 02:14:33 LoneStar99: google for md5 javascript Jul 24 02:14:55 renegaid: patience Jul 24 02:15:01 torchie: wut? Jul 24 02:15:08 haeffb: .style.display = "none"; / "block"; works. Jul 24 02:15:10 wot? Jul 24 02:15:18 But good to know of your method Jul 24 02:15:30 haeffb: yeah i am .... javascript md5 might not be compatible with php md5 Jul 24 02:15:53 unlikely Jul 24 02:16:18 haeffb: simple http://phpjs.org/functions/md5:469 Jul 24 02:16:19 lol Jul 24 02:16:23 there's no IM client with skype messenger support as of yet right? Jul 24 02:16:39 No but I'm working on one now that you gvae me the idea :P Jul 24 02:16:54 wait there is Jul 24 02:16:58 THERE IS!? Jul 24 02:17:01 A new one Jul 24 02:17:02 A;LKSDJF;LASKJDF;LAKSJDFAKL;J TELL ME Jul 24 02:17:05 It's crap though Jul 24 02:17:07 apparently Jul 24 02:17:08 I think Jul 24 02:17:09 um Jul 24 02:17:10 crap is better than nothing Jul 24 02:17:13 definately maybe Jul 24 02:17:20 I might be misleading you Jul 24 02:17:34 name name name Jul 24 02:17:37 lead me into a wall Jul 24 02:17:46 http://www.brighthub.com/bh_controls/viewarticleimage.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.brighthub.com%2FCB%2F2%2FCB283A61E0060A31A29D1D042D7CA62D83CDBE7B_large.jpg&title=IM%2B%20For%20Skype&postId=44503&page=1 Jul 24 02:18:14 oh that thing. Jul 24 02:18:17 yea Jul 24 02:20:29 Cottom candy ice cream isnt that bad. I normally don't enjoy ice cream Jul 24 02:22:17 cotton candy = sugar. Jul 24 02:22:24 sugar ice cream Jul 24 02:22:29 :D Jul 24 02:23:08 renegaid: screw patience. I want a new phone too. Jul 24 02:23:26 no patience. eligible for an upgrade now Jul 24 02:23:41 torchie: there was another IM program on the market too, just came out not too long ago Jul 24 02:23:46 that one might have skype as well Jul 24 02:23:53 pre is getting boring Jul 24 02:23:58 there is another Im app? Jul 24 02:23:59 IM+ doesn't have it, mundu doesn't have it Jul 24 02:24:01 what is the name Jul 24 02:24:05 oh Jul 24 02:24:15 IM+ and mundu both suck bad Jul 24 02:24:19 apparently Jul 24 02:24:24 IM+ and mundu both don't have skype Jul 24 02:24:25 I never wasted my money on them Jul 24 02:24:26 invalid Jul 24 02:24:32 I actually bough IM+. What a waste Jul 24 02:25:10 I just installed the homebrew IM stuff. A bit glitchy but it works. Jul 24 02:25:24 no skype on homebrew IM either :( Jul 24 02:25:29 lol Jul 24 02:25:36 Do they even have a public api? Jul 24 02:25:42 don't think so Jul 24 02:25:51 I saw something about a skype api for pidgin... Jul 24 02:25:53 ...somewhere Jul 24 02:25:53 well then how you gonna do skype im Jul 24 02:25:59 magic Jul 24 02:26:09 There must be an api Jul 24 02:26:23 not sure of the level of publicness of it Jul 24 02:26:30 I see Jul 24 02:27:21 * haeffb wants me some magic api Jul 24 02:28:21 haeffb: when I use webkit transitions on opacity to simultaneously fade one list in and 2 out, only 1 list fades. the other 2 dont do anything, and also it doesn't fade Div's innerHTML property. Jul 24 02:28:45 by happenstance would you know anything on the subject? Jul 24 02:28:52 what is the name of the new im app? Jul 24 02:28:55 nope Jul 24 02:28:58 blah Jul 24 02:29:06 ah nvm Jul 24 02:29:29 I'm retarded. I only assigned classnames to 1/3 lists Jul 24 02:29:47 wait.... Jul 24 02:30:02 Nvm im not retarded.... the lists dont have classnames until I do it through code Jul 24 02:30:10 * Anivrom is back to 'wtf' Jul 24 02:32:22 i got my fifth pixi today Jul 24 02:32:25 madness. Jul 24 02:32:32 nice. Jul 24 02:32:38 I love the pixi keyboard Jul 24 02:32:46 yeah way better than pre Jul 24 02:32:49 soft or hard keys? Jul 24 02:32:58 but... you still shouldn't have FIVE of them Jul 24 02:33:49 do they break often? Jul 24 02:33:56 I thought they'd be way more sturdy than a pre Jul 24 02:34:02 anyone know how to use declare the "variables" for a "POST" ajax request? Jul 24 02:34:10 sure Jul 24 02:34:14 just like it says in the docs :) Jul 24 02:34:19 with the triplets Jul 24 02:34:27 though the last field of the triplet is optional i think Jul 24 02:34:46 triplets? Jul 24 02:35:58 LoneStar99: maybe that's just for the upload post... Jul 24 02:36:11 anyways, yeah, the docs seemed pretty straight forward when i dealt with it Jul 24 02:36:35 webos apps? Jul 24 02:36:41 sorry docs Jul 24 02:41:44 yeah Jul 24 02:41:47 oh Jul 24 02:41:49 you know Jul 24 02:41:50 sorry Jul 24 02:41:59 i had to cross reference prototype ajax docs Jul 24 02:42:33 shoot, the sale ends at midnight Jul 24 02:42:35 yeah looking in prototype, but no mention of post Jul 24 02:42:40 I gotta buy something quick Jul 24 02:43:55 pandora: know how to do using plain javascript, but not prototype... Jul 24 02:44:45 asking the prototype folks, but it seems they are sleeping in that room Jul 24 02:45:01 or maybe taking tequila shots Jul 24 02:45:12 prototype room is rarely active Jul 24 02:46:58 ok, variables are declared like get Jul 24 02:51:27 torchie: sale? do I need to spend money? Jul 24 02:51:46 yeah that's what sales are for Jul 24 02:51:59 everything's cheaper, time to give money to companies Jul 24 02:52:13 heh Jul 24 02:52:39 as long as it's not walmart... Jul 24 02:54:30 dropbox app. Jul 24 02:54:31 buy buy buy Jul 24 02:55:03 and now that debit card has 1 cent on it Jul 24 02:55:38 webOS needs more language apps Jul 24 02:59:18 oh what the hell, I'll buy Dropboxify **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 02:59:57 2010