**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 27 02:59:56 2010
Jul 27 03:09:39 <kesne> Hey all
Jul 27 03:09:39 <kesne> again
Jul 27 03:09:41 <kesne> Anivrom:
Jul 27 03:10:11 <kesne> You all should check out this guy, he does all of my music for apps. http://www.myspace.com/garrettlangmusic
Jul 27 03:10:22 * Anivrom wonders why kesne pings me with blankness requently
Jul 27 03:10:46 <Anivrom> frequently too
Jul 27 03:11:58 <kesne> Yessir
Jul 27 03:13:37 <LoneStar99> hello kesne
Jul 27 03:14:08 <Nyceane1> hello LoneStar =)
Jul 27 03:14:40 <kesne> LoneStar99: You sober tonight?
Jul 27 03:14:58 <LoneStar99> hello Nyceane1 - yah  it's monday =)
Jul 27 03:15:31 <Nyceane1> lol =)
Jul 27 03:15:40 <Nyceane1> i m home campaigning for votes again =_=
Jul 27 03:15:41 <Nyceane1> sucks
Jul 27 03:15:57 <LoneStar99> Nyceane1: nice
Jul 27 03:16:26 <BigBiff> baaaaaah
Jul 27 03:16:39 <kesne> I found a video editor :D
Jul 27 03:16:44 <Nyceane1> hi BigBiff
Jul 27 03:16:47 <BigBiff> i need help with aptana/eclipse windows 7
Jul 27 03:16:48 <Nyceane1> =-D
Jul 27 03:16:51 <BigBiff> hi
Jul 27 03:16:52 <BigBiff> :)
Jul 27 03:17:02 <BigBiff> suckage
Jul 27 03:17:04 <LoneStar99> kesne: video editor for an app?
Jul 27 03:17:16 <Nyceane1> can you do me a big favor? =D
Jul 27 03:18:00 <kesne> Just a generic one
Jul 27 03:18:16 <kesne> For... stuff
Jul 27 03:18:16 <Nyceane1> since you are the only person here who havn't voted =-D
Jul 27 03:18:16 <Nyceane1> =-|
Jul 27 03:18:24 <kesne> If things go well, you'll see soon
Jul 27 03:18:29 <Anivrom> <--- uses Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 and Adobe After Effects Pro CS4
Jul 27 03:18:30 <kesne> Nyceane1: who are you talking to?
Jul 27 03:18:36 <Nyceane1> BigBiff
Jul 27 03:18:43 <Nyceane1> you guys all helped out already =D
Jul 27 03:18:43 <kesne> I have both of those. Well, CS5 actually
Jul 27 03:18:49 <kesne> I don't know how to use it though
Jul 27 03:18:57 <kesne> Nyceane1: I didn't vote
Jul 27 03:18:58 <BigBiff> ya?
Jul 27 03:19:05 <Nyceane1> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 27 03:19:14 <Nyceane1> I built this app for obama's contest
Jul 27 03:19:25 * Anivrom does 3d graphics/editing
Jul 27 03:19:28 <Nyceane1> it it possible for you to cast a vote for it? =)
Jul 27 03:20:23 <BigBiff> looking
Jul 27 03:20:29 <kesne> You're using Vanessa Hudgens on a kid website?
Jul 27 03:20:31 <kesne> And JLS?
Jul 27 03:20:41 <kesne> Anivrom: Want to do stuff for me? :D
Jul 27 03:21:07 <Nyceane1> yah =_=
Jul 27 03:21:07 <Nyceane1> why?
Jul 27 03:21:07 <Nyceane1> wow kesne, you are good
Jul 27 03:21:07 <Nyceane1> lol
Jul 27 03:21:21 <kesne> What?
Jul 27 03:21:33 <BigBiff> Nyceane1:  i'll vote if you'll make aptana/eclipse work on my machine :p
Jul 27 03:21:44 <Anivrom> kesne: not really. I'm currently working on my app every spare moment I get
Jul 27 03:21:50 <kesne> BigBiff: I think it's a user error
Jul 27 03:21:51 <Nyceane1> i can try to make eclispe work on your machines
Jul 27 03:21:52 <Nyceane1> machine
Jul 27 03:21:59 <Nyceane1> not sure about aptana...
Jul 27 03:22:06 <BigBiff> i got eclipse going
Jul 27 03:22:07 <kesne> Anivrom: Why bother? You don't make money
Jul 27 03:22:10 <BigBiff> aptana chrashes it
Jul 27 03:22:15 <BigBiff> crashes
Jul 27 03:22:24 <kesne> BigBiff: Aptana == built off of eclipse
Jul 27 03:22:53 <kesne> DL eclipse, DL the aptana plugin, use the Aptana perspective
Jul 27 03:22:55 <kesne> You're good to go
Jul 27 03:23:00 <BigBiff> no
Jul 27 03:23:02 <BigBiff> im not
Jul 27 03:23:12 <BigBiff> it worked fine on my old vista 64bit
Jul 27 03:23:24 <Nyceane1> oh, i use a mac
Jul 27 03:23:25 <Nyceane1> -_-
Jul 27 03:23:45 <BigBiff> i think it's an issue with the new java
Jul 27 03:23:52 <BigBiff> re
Jul 27 03:23:59 <kesne> I use MS Dos
Jul 27 03:24:12 <Anivrom> lies
Jul 27 03:24:16 <BigBiff> it's making me tired
Jul 27 03:24:23 <kesne> That's what she said
Jul 27 03:24:37 <kesne> After I drugged her
Jul 27 03:24:42 <BigBiff> i've tried every combination of different eclipse/java/aptana versions
Jul 27 03:24:49 <BigBiff> suckage every time
Jul 27 03:25:12 <BigBiff> fixing to give up
Jul 27 03:25:20 <kesne> Use a mac :D
Jul 27 03:25:23 <kesne> Problem solved
Jul 27 03:26:22 <Nyceane1> =D
Jul 27 03:26:22 <Nyceane1> :D
Jul 27 03:28:09 <Anivrom> while ((this.status.hes > 38 && rndNum == 3) || (this.status.tes > 38 && rndNum == 2)) {
Jul 27 03:28:09 <Anivrom> 	rndNum = this.getRndNum(1, 6);
Jul 27 03:28:09 <Anivrom> }
Jul 27 03:28:20 <Anivrom> Is that comparison in the while valid js?
Jul 27 03:28:27 <Anivrom> will it behave like I think it will?
Jul 27 03:30:30 <Anivrom> kesne: ^
Jul 27 03:30:36 <kesne> What?
Jul 27 03:30:47 <Anivrom> see above?
Jul 27 03:30:52 <kesne> Uhm
Jul 27 03:31:00 <kesne> Try throwing in more ()
Jul 27 03:31:03 <Anivrom> I don't know if that works in js
Jul 27 03:31:21 <kesne> It should
Jul 27 03:31:31 <Anivrom> So it evaluates each () separately?
Jul 27 03:31:33 <kesne> When those comparisons don't work for me I just use more of them
Jul 27 03:31:38 <kesne> I dunno
Jul 27 03:31:40 <kesne> Worth a try!
Jul 27 03:32:01 <Anivrom> Yea but setting up the game for those conditions would be a pain
Jul 27 03:32:01 <torchie> should be the new ad campaign
Jul 27 03:32:03 <torchie> use a mac
Jul 27 03:32:06 <torchie> problem solved
Jul 27 03:33:24 <kesne> I agree
Jul 27 03:33:29 <kesne> Speaking of ad campaigns
Jul 27 03:33:45 <Anivrom> throw all mac users off a cliff.. problem solved
Jul 27 03:33:59 <Anivrom> !!!!!111!!1
Jul 27 03:34:05 <kesne> I need to go ping Harrison
Jul 27 03:35:49 <kesne> There we go
Jul 27 03:36:01 <kesne> It's nice to see that the CMO actually does something
Jul 27 03:37:37 <Nyceane1> BigBiff, work yet?
Jul 27 03:38:13 <kesne> Bah
Jul 27 03:38:29 <kesne> Is it a waste to throw $10,000 into an ad campaign for a free app?
Jul 27 03:38:36 <torchie> nop
Jul 27 03:38:42 <torchie> MINDSHARE
Jul 27 03:38:44 <Anivrom> not if you win the 100k in hot apps lol
Jul 27 03:38:53 <torchie> has the leaderboard been retooled
Jul 27 03:39:18 <kesne> We're consitering it
Jul 27 03:39:29 <kesne> It involves a complete takeover of websites
Jul 27 03:39:39 <kesne> Buying ads on five websites
Jul 27 03:39:41 <LoneStar99> anyone submitting IPK apps?
Jul 27 03:39:51 <kesne> And running video ads on other places
Jul 27 03:39:58 <kesne> A big google campaign
Jul 27 03:40:22 <LoneStar99> wish i could submit a hybrid IPK
Jul 27 03:40:23 <LoneStar99> =(
Jul 27 03:43:22 <torchie> are you just
Jul 27 03:43:24 <torchie> not allowed
Jul 27 03:43:27 <kesne> Yes
Jul 27 03:43:29 <kesne> You are just
Jul 27 03:43:32 <kesne> not allowed
Jul 27 03:43:41 <kesne> I hate spending money
Jul 27 03:43:46 <torchie> how is this thing working
Jul 27 03:43:50 <kesne> "No, we can't spend that kind of money"
Jul 27 03:43:51 <torchie> are the PDK apps in the catalog yet
Jul 27 03:43:58 <Anivrom_> apparently not
Jul 27 03:44:03 <Anivrom_> barely any new apps
Jul 27 03:44:05 <Anivrom_> as of late
Jul 27 03:44:12 <kesne> Galcon or whatever?
Jul 27 03:44:13 <torchie> maybe there's a flood but the flood's not happening
Jul 27 03:44:18 <torchie> because THE LEADERBOARD
Jul 27 03:44:21 <torchie> HAS NOT BEEN RETOOLED
Jul 27 03:44:23 * torchie implodes
Jul 27 03:44:36 <Anivrom_> rofl
Jul 27 03:44:37 <kesne> Like the hatch?
Jul 27 03:44:41 <kesne> </lost reference>
Jul 27 03:44:59 <BigBiff> trying to fix environment variables
Jul 27 03:45:01 <BigBiff> :(
Jul 27 03:45:48 <Anivrom_> I love how jslint tries to decode css files and then throws errors
Jul 27 03:47:43 <BigBiff> 15 minutes until give up
Jul 27 03:48:09 <kesne> Hmm
Jul 27 03:48:10 <LoneStar99> non webos question: have about 10 images in a directory - need to display images in a div and when a user clicks next - previous - new image appears
Jul 27 03:48:16 <kesne> Anybody want to be my new CMO?
Jul 27 03:48:24 <Anivrom_> lonestar
Jul 27 03:48:38 <LoneStar99> do not want to install "lightbox" or any thing complex,
Jul 27 03:49:02 <kesne> JS, one IMG, and one variable
Jul 27 03:49:17 <Anivrom_> http://pastebin.com/nihrH32a
Jul 27 03:49:33 <Anivrom_> Just count the index up or down
Jul 27 03:49:57 <Anivrom_> Preload the images during setup
Jul 27 03:50:08 <kesne> Should I record a new song?
Jul 27 03:50:23 <LoneStar99> Anivrom: btw this is website solution not webos
Jul 27 03:50:29 <Anivrom_> same thing
Jul 27 03:50:33 <kesne> Yeah
Jul 27 03:50:37 <LoneStar99> but same principle should work
Jul 27 03:50:42 <kesne> torchie: Should I record a new song?
Jul 27 03:50:44 <Anivrom_> Thats the great thing about webos... it IS website
Jul 27 03:51:19 <kesne> I'm so glad I fired the guys that did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPx_080w6o
Jul 27 03:51:40 <LoneStar99> Anivrom_:  by counting index ... you have a quick snippet for that?
Jul 27 03:51:52 <Anivrom_> Erm
Jul 27 03:52:14 <Anivrom_> eventListener on count up div, globalIndexCounter++;
Jul 27 03:52:30 <LoneStar99> Anivrom_: having to build a quick site for a friend, and trying to concetrate on building my app....
Jul 27 03:52:35 <Anivrom_> same for down div, globalIndexCounter--;
Jul 27 03:53:07 <LoneStar99> Anivrom_:  ok cool will work on my friends site in abit, thanks
Jul 27 03:53:26 <Anivrom_> then go div img.src = myImgArray[globalIndexCounter].src
Jul 27 03:53:41 <Anivrom_> Or something like that
Jul 27 03:53:49 <Anivrom_> idk how you want it to count up or down.
Jul 27 03:53:53 <kesne> function next(){ variable++; updateIMG();}  function prev(){ variable--; updateIMG();} function updateIMG(){document.getElementById("img").src = "images/image" + variable + ".png";}
Jul 27 03:53:59 <kesne> And onclick events
Jul 27 03:54:21 <Anivrom_> basically that
Jul 27 03:54:54 <kesne> I own bookofwrongs.com :D
Jul 27 03:54:54 <LoneStar99> ok, thanks, will get to my buddies site in 20 minutes =(
Jul 27 03:55:17 <Anivrom_> I hate workikng on things for other ppl when you want to work on your own stuff
Jul 27 03:55:25 <kesne> I hate other people
Jul 27 03:55:34 <Anivrom_> doesn't surprise me
Jul 27 03:55:39 <kesne> Anivrom_: Could you do better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPx_080w6o
Jul 27 03:55:59 <LoneStar99> Anivrom_:  yeah, but need to meet with him in the moringing
Jul 27 03:56:16 <Anivrom_> kesne: that clip has very little to do with editing, and alot to do with BAD Video footage
Jul 27 03:56:25 <kesne> Anivrom_: True
Jul 27 03:56:31 <kesne> Anivrom_: But still, could you?
Jul 27 03:57:16 <torchie> I'm not even sure what's going on in that ad
Jul 27 03:58:01 <Anivrom_> There's not much you could do with that one to make it much better but I suppose camera angle transitions wouldnt hurt
Jul 27 04:01:21 <Anivrom_> Such as a zooming effect or something
Jul 27 04:01:21 <Anivrom_> Zoom blur
Jul 27 04:01:22 <kesne> You should do my commercials
Jul 27 04:01:23 <kesne> Right now, I've got a terrible CMO, and nobody doing my videos
Jul 27 04:02:42 <kesne> HAH
Jul 27 04:02:42 <kesne> Losers
Jul 27 04:02:43 <kesne> Anivrom_: You should work for me
Jul 27 04:02:43 <kesne> Anivrom_:
Jul 27 04:02:43 <Anivrom_> to answer, yes there are lots of things I could do with it, but am very unwilling :P, to get cool effects you have to take time
Jul 27 04:02:43 <Anivrom_> Honestly editing is one of my least favourite activities
Jul 27 04:02:43 <Anivrom_> Someone offered me a job editing his tv show, I went to his studio and did 1 episode and said it wasn't my thing.
Jul 27 04:02:43 <Anivrom_> 100 bucks an episode. woulda taken me 4 hours, not worth the drain on my soul though lol
Jul 27 04:02:44 <kesne> torchie: That's what I siad
Jul 27 04:02:45 <Anivrom_> That's cause the footage is confusing
Jul 27 04:02:45 <Anivrom_> bad footage makes editors jobs a nightmare
Jul 27 04:02:50 <kesne> "That's what it's supposed to invoke in the viewer. The commercial is supposed to give the viewer an interested mindset, so they will look up the app, company, or phone."
Jul 27 04:03:20 <torchie> what.
Jul 27 04:08:01 <elyon> Yay! I am the Palm ExZeus champion!
Jul 27 04:09:19 <elyon> (the head start probably doest hurt at all)
Jul 27 04:10:39 <elyon> weird
Jul 27 04:11:04 <elyon> howdy
Jul 27 04:12:27 <webos-info> hey
Jul 27 04:15:03 <kesne> Anivrom_: That's why I had a CMO and video manager
Jul 27 04:15:08 <kesne> Anivrom_: I make apps, not commercials
Jul 27 04:15:08 <Anivrom_> you're pretty good at programming and you're only 16, I'm sure you would do quite well editing videos
Jul 27 04:16:15 <LoneStar99> hello
Jul 27 04:16:21 <Tibfib> holy crap
Jul 27 04:18:53 * rwhitby would take the gf over webos
Jul 27 04:18:59 <Anivrom_> If you don't have time then how much do I have? I leave at 6:30 in the morning to go to work and dont get home until 6:00 or more at night
Jul 27 04:18:59 <kesne> :P
Jul 27 04:18:59 <kesne> Seriously...
Jul 27 04:18:59 <Anivrom_> Lately I've been staying up until 1-2am programming my game and getting 4 hours sleep
Jul 27 04:19:27 <Anivrom_> ^ kinda annoying
Jul 27 04:19:34 <kesne> Do you want the job or not?
Jul 27 04:19:51 <Anivrom_> rwhitby: I'm married :P
Jul 27 04:20:16 <Anivrom_> My wife does the graphics for the game. go team
Jul 27 04:20:31 <rwhitby> Anivrom_: 6:30 to 6:00 ?  short days at work hey?
Jul 27 04:20:32 <kesne> Anivrom_: I don't care about you
Jul 27 04:20:40 <kesne> rwhitby: I wouldn't
Jul 27 04:20:40 <kesne> Heh
Jul 27 04:20:47 <Anivrom_> rwhitby: short days?
Jul 27 04:21:17 <rwhitby> when I was a lad ....
Jul 27 04:21:21 <Anivrom_> oh boy
Jul 27 04:21:38 <Anivrom_> You're prolly not much older than me
Jul 27 04:21:52 <rwhitby> Anivrom_: 42
Jul 27 04:21:58 <Anivrom_> >_>
Jul 27 04:22:01 <Anivrom_> <_<
Jul 27 04:22:12 <Anivrom_> <--- 25..ish..
Jul 27 04:22:22 <rwhitby> see, not much older
Jul 27 04:22:25 <Anivrom_> :D
Jul 27 04:22:29 <kesne> <--- 16..ish..
Jul 27 04:23:05 <Anivrom_> Anyways I wouldn't mind doing it, but I don't have the time.
Jul 27 04:23:42 <kesne> :'(
Jul 27 04:25:17 <swishy> hehe
Jul 27 04:26:01 <Anivrom_> why does that sound so creepy
Jul 27 04:26:10 <Anivrom_> random hehe's
Jul 27 04:27:25 <kesne> :'(
Jul 27 04:27:30 <kesne> I'm still crying
Jul 27 04:27:45 <rwhitby> toughen up, princess.
Jul 27 04:28:06 <Anivrom_> kesne: function(tissue) {}
Jul 27 04:29:54 <kesne> :(
Jul 27 04:32:15 <Tibfib> okay, thoughts on menubar at bottom: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/menubar.png
Jul 27 04:32:21 <Tibfib> not sure if I like it...yet
Jul 27 04:32:44 <kesne> Tibfib: What was it like before?
Jul 27 04:32:49 <kesne> That 8 is throwing me off
Jul 27 04:33:03 <spdsktr> bottom rounded corners never seem to work imo
Jul 27 04:33:04 <kesne> Galcon is funnnnn
Jul 27 04:33:16 <Anivrom_> Tibfib: looks good
Jul 27 04:33:28 <kesne> Tibfib: Make it clearer what everything does though
Jul 27 04:33:34 <kesne> I'm out for the night folks
Jul 27 04:33:39 <Anivrom_> cya
Jul 27 04:33:41 <kesne> Anivrom_: Consider my offer
Jul 27 04:33:43 <Tibfib> 8 is leaving anyway
Jul 27 04:33:46 <kesne> You have my number
Jul 27 04:33:53 <Anivrom_> erm no
Jul 27 04:33:57 <kesne> If you don't, you can call KS's number
Jul 27 04:33:57 <kesne> heh
Jul 27 04:34:11 <Tibfib> I should add text below the icons
Jul 27 04:34:14 <Tibfib> ...hmm
Jul 27 04:34:29 <Anivrom_> not alot of screen realestate for that tib
Jul 27 04:34:29 <kesne> Yes
Jul 27 04:34:35 <kesne> Bye allllllll
Jul 27 04:34:39 <kesne> Anivrom_: I hate you
Jul 27 04:34:39 <Anivrom_> especially if its pixi compatible
Jul 27 04:34:39 <Tibfib> yeah, I'd have to make it bigger
Jul 27 04:34:52 <Tibfib> I think I'm going to ask someone to make better icons
Jul 27 04:34:57 <Tibfib> they might be easier to understand
Jul 27 04:35:01 <Anivrom_> ah
Jul 27 04:35:05 <Anivrom_> I wouldnt mind
Jul 27 04:35:20 <Anivrom_> doing the icons taht is
Jul 27 04:38:24 <Tibfib> hmm, I can't decide. I'll have to sleep on it
Jul 27 04:38:28 <Tibfib> thanks all
Jul 27 04:38:41 <Anivrom_> cya
Jul 27 04:39:04 <Tibfib> hah, well I'm going to work on something in the mean time :)
Jul 27 04:40:12 <Tibfib> something else
Jul 27 04:40:45 <Anivrom_> well if you need help graphically I'm well versed in photoshop/illustrator
Jul 27 04:43:51 <Anivrom_> torchie: ping
Jul 27 04:44:17 <Tibfib> Anivrom_: I'll keep that in mind, thanks
Jul 27 04:45:35 <Anivrom_> torchie: you have a pixi right?
Jul 27 04:46:01 <torchie> no i have a pre
Jul 27 04:46:07 <Anivrom_> oh
Jul 27 04:50:47 <Nyceane1> anybody still here? =)
Jul 27 04:50:59 <Anivrom_> no
Jul 27 04:52:48 <Tibfib> kind of
Jul 27 04:52:55 <Nyceane1> lol =)
Jul 27 04:55:03 <Anivrom_> bedtime for me I think. Have a good one guys
Jul 27 05:02:17 <Tibfib> Ok this(1): http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/menubaralt.png or this(2): http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/menubar.png >
Jul 27 05:02:19 <Tibfib> ?
Jul 27 05:05:26 <Tibfib> anyone even conscious?
Jul 27 05:08:02 <Nyceane1> i am =)
Jul 27 05:08:05 <Nyceane1> still looking for votes =)
Jul 27 05:09:04 <Tibfib> hah, when does it end?
Jul 27 05:11:57 <BigBiff> finally
Jul 27 05:12:10 <BigBiff> gave up and installed 32 bit eclipse
Jul 27 05:12:23 <BigBiff> stuped java
Jul 27 05:12:26 <BigBiff> stupid eclipse
Jul 27 05:12:31 <BigBiff> stupid aptana
Jul 27 05:12:36 <BigBiff> stupid
Jul 27 05:15:28 <torchie> who is that a sexy app I see up there
Jul 27 05:15:32 <torchie> whoa*
Jul 27 05:20:28 <Nyceane1> BigBiff
Jul 27 05:20:32 <Nyceane1> did you get it working yet?
Jul 27 05:20:37 <BigBiff> yes
Jul 27 05:20:40 <BigBiff> 32 bit
Jul 27 05:20:45 <Nyceane1> =)
Jul 27 05:20:55 <Nyceane1> so now you can cast a vote for my app =D
Jul 27 05:23:22 <Nyceane1> hi k- =D
Jul 27 05:43:54 <LoneStar99> HELLO
Jul 27 05:44:00 <Tibfib> say hello
Jul 27 05:44:01 <dekan> Hello!
Jul 27 05:44:07 <Tibfib> botsnack
Jul 27 05:44:08 * dekan nom nom nom
Jul 27 05:44:13 <LoneStar99> kept getting booted out
Jul 27 05:45:25 <Nyceane1> hi dekan
Jul 27 05:45:32 <Nyceane1> would you like to do me a big favor? =)
Jul 27 05:46:43 <halfhalo_T400> OH MY GOD I HATE THIS I HATE THIS I HATE THIS
Jul 27 05:56:45 <Nyceane1> what?
Jul 27 06:33:32 <Nyceane1> dirker
Jul 27 06:33:35 <Nyceane1> can you do me a favor?
Jul 27 06:37:54 <halfhalo_T400> BANBANBANBAN
Jul 27 06:47:19 <dkirker> Nyceane1: yes?
Jul 27 06:48:58 <Nyceane1> dkirker
Jul 27 06:48:58 <Nyceane1> are you here?
Jul 27 06:49:06 <dkirker> yes, I am
Jul 27 06:50:49 <Nyceane1> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 27 06:50:49 <Nyceane1> I built this application for a contest thats sponsored by michelle obama
Jul 27 06:50:54 <Nyceane1> and winning it gets to go to white house
Jul 27 06:50:54 <Nyceane1> I was wondering if you can cast a vote for it
Jul 27 06:52:43 <hotdp> Good morning
Jul 27 06:52:43 <dekan> good morning hotdp
Jul 27 06:52:51 <dkirker> I would rather not give out my email address. Sorry.
Jul 27 06:52:53 <Nyceane1> hi hotdp =)
Jul 27 06:53:04 <Nyceane1> dkirker, you can use your spam mail address for it
Jul 27 06:53:12 <Nyceane1> or if you want, i can create an email for you
Jul 27 06:53:28 <Nyceane1> i just dont want vote for myself too many times and get disqualified
Jul 27 06:54:04 <Nyceane1> since its tracked by IP
Jul 27 07:01:33 <swisstomcat> morning
Jul 27 07:02:29 <Nyceane1> morning swiss =)
Jul 27 07:03:08 <swisstomcat> hey
Jul 27 07:04:36 <Nyceane1> how are you? =)
Jul 27 07:04:47 <Nyceane1> I m still looking for votes on my app =-|
Jul 27 07:08:26 <hotdp> swisstomcat, did you ever find the correct convas examples from the lesson?
Jul 27 07:08:51 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Jul 27 07:09:06 <swisstomcat> don't know if he ever posted them
Jul 27 07:13:22 <hotdp> Not in the thread :(
Jul 27 07:13:26 <hotdp> I have asked again..
Jul 27 07:13:36 <hotdp> I think he have pissed on people..
Jul 27 07:13:52 <hotdp> And i think it is a shame.. i liked he's lesson
Jul 27 07:14:50 <hotdp> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7631&p=33609#p33609
Jul 27 07:17:54 * Tibfib is pleased with how his menu bar turned out: http://img.ly/1LLP thanks for the help!
Jul 27 07:19:35 <LoneStar99> anyone know javascript that makes css layers transition onclick?
Jul 27 07:21:49 <swisstomcat> click on what?
Jul 27 07:22:32 <gu1l7y5p4rk> What?
Jul 27 07:22:38 <LoneStar99> onclick of link and makes another div fade in ...
Jul 27 07:23:00 <swisstomcat> tibfib: looking great
Jul 27 07:23:20 <LoneStar99> kinda like this flash site: http://jefflewisdesign.com/
Jul 27 07:23:23 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: thanks!
Jul 27 07:23:30 <Tibfib> goodnight
Jul 27 07:23:30 <dekan> goodnight is night night
Jul 27 07:23:39 <Tibfib> ...dangit. I need to get maik to fix that
Jul 27 07:23:43 <swisstomcat> tibfib: now make a new header
Jul 27 07:23:57 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: that's true, same thing as footer?
Jul 27 07:24:10 <swisstomcat> yeah, that would fit
Jul 27 07:24:45 <Tibfib> I'll have to do that tomorrow/later
Jul 27 07:24:49 <Tibfib> night all
Jul 27 07:25:03 <LoneStar99> laters
Jul 27 07:25:06 <swisstomcat> night
Jul 27 07:25:06 <swisstomcat> are we talking about a webos app, lonestar?
Jul 27 07:25:23 <LoneStar99> neah, not for this,
Jul 27 07:25:41 <LoneStar99> building a small site for a friend,
Jul 27 07:25:50 <swisstomcat> ah, i see
Jul 27 07:25:54 <LoneStar99> taking time away from my app development
Jul 27 07:26:05 <swisstomcat> change the classname of the div
Jul 27 07:26:15 <swisstomcat> which would trigger the transition
Jul 27 07:26:19 <LoneStar99> trying to get my IM/Chat app out the door in the next days...
Jul 27 07:26:20 <swisstomcat> will
Jul 27 07:27:31 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: you mean changing the classname dynamically onclick?
Jul 27 07:27:46 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 27 07:29:25 <LoneStar99> ok, thanks,
Jul 27 07:29:30 <LoneStar99> need to get some sleep
Jul 27 07:29:31 <LoneStar99> ...
Jul 27 07:31:24 <LoneStar99> ok thanks swisstomcat, got hit the hay
Jul 27 07:31:30 <swisstomcat> night
Jul 27 07:32:02 <LoneStar99> laters
Jul 27 07:32:57 <hotdp> tibfib, the buttom looks nice
Jul 27 08:55:21 <tomlee> test
Jul 27 08:55:32 <tomlee> hello all, i seem to be a bit stuck with the webview widget...
Jul 27 09:01:25 <hotdp> aha
Jul 27 09:01:28 <swisstomcat> hi
Jul 27 09:01:38 <swisstomcat> what do you want to do?
Jul 27 09:01:52 <tomlee> hmm, nevermind... i think it's a flickr javascript issue...
Jul 27 09:02:10 <tomlee> well, just doing the flickr webapp auth flow
Jul 27 09:03:05 <tomlee> i was using the webViewTitleUrlChanged event to monitor url changes as it goes thru yahoo/flickr login/auth pages
Jul 27 09:05:39 <hotdp> brb
Jul 27 09:31:04 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jul 27 10:19:28 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jul 27 10:27:30 <hotdp> hi
Jul 27 10:28:03 <hotdp> i have an webos question, i would like to "subscribe" to an webpage or something for updates.
Jul 27 10:28:22 <swisstomcat> rss?
Jul 27 10:28:37 <hotdp> So that if something happens i know on my webos device. Like a subscribe patten. So i dont have to pull all the time
Jul 27 10:28:57 <hotdp> Don't i have to ask for updates every x-seconds?
Jul 27 10:29:47 <swisstomcat> i don't think that exists
Jul 27 10:30:29 <destrudo> that's the whole point of RSS
Jul 27 10:30:31 <destrudo> lol
Jul 27 10:30:33 <swisstomcat> they announed push messages way back
Jul 27 10:30:37 <swisstomcat> announced
Jul 27 10:30:43 <swisstomcat> mojo messaging
Jul 27 10:31:47 <hotdp> I have never worked with RSS :)
Jul 27 10:31:51 <hotdp> I only use it..
Jul 27 10:31:55 <destrudo> I am RSS
Jul 27 10:31:57 <destrudo> it's just uh
Jul 27 10:32:05 <destrudo> XML prettyness
Jul 27 10:32:06 <hotdp> So how do i do it?
Jul 27 10:32:36 <destrudo> you parse out blocks of information pertaining to how it was produced
Jul 27 10:32:41 <swisstomcat> i use YQL to access feeds
Jul 27 10:32:44 <destrudo> they'd need to be using it
Jul 27 10:32:57 <destrudo> for you to do that
Jul 27 10:32:58 <hotdp> hmm..
Jul 27 10:33:01 <swisstomcat> yeah, depends on the website too .. do they even have an RSS feed?
Jul 27 10:33:07 <destrudo> other than that you could run a comparative curl script
Jul 27 10:33:11 <hotdp> Do you have an example?
Jul 27 10:33:25 <destrudo> to grab and diff
Jul 27 10:33:39 <hotdp> I could fetch every 1 sec.. but thought it would use more battery ect ?
Jul 27 10:33:41 <destrudo> Which would be ineffective with how people do things
Jul 27 10:33:48 <destrudo> 1 sec is WAY too much
Jul 27 10:34:08 <swisstomcat> does the website in question even have a feed?
Jul 27 10:34:13 <destrudo> yeah
Jul 27 10:34:51 <swisstomcat> you could have a server run a comparative curl script and access that from your phone
Jul 27 10:35:38 <destrudo> yah
Jul 27 10:35:43 <destrudo> yum yum
Jul 27 10:35:49 <destrudo> I'm gonna sleep, nitenite lovers.
Jul 27 10:35:56 <swisstomcat> night
Jul 27 10:37:16 <hotdp> I do now understand anything..
Jul 27 10:37:31 <hotdp> swisstomcat can you help?
Jul 27 10:37:39 <swisstomcat> well
Jul 27 10:37:46 <swisstomcat> what's the website you want to watch?
Jul 27 10:37:55 <hotdp> i have an website/or something. When "something" happens i want the webos to know instantly
Jul 27 10:38:02 <hotdp> One i create :)
Jul 27 10:38:10 <swisstomcat> oh
Jul 27 10:38:12 <hotdp> its not a "real" website
Jul 27 10:38:23 <LoneStar99> anyone work with php here?
Jul 27 10:38:29 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
Jul 27 10:38:33 <hotdp> i just want to send some information to the phone and thought it would be easy with an website
Jul 27 10:38:34 <swisstomcat> slept well?
Jul 27 10:38:36 <LoneStar99> howdy
Jul 27 10:38:53 <hotdp> hi LoneStar99
Jul 27 10:38:55 <LoneStar99> going back to bed in like 20 minutes. just needed to do some research
Jul 27 10:39:07 <swisstomcat> hotdp: something like push messaging then?
Jul 27 10:39:15 <hotdp> i suppose ?
Jul 27 10:39:17 * swisstomcat does some php from time to time
Jul 27 10:40:04 <swisstomcat> guess you could do something similar how EAS does push messaging
Jul 27 10:40:10 <LoneStar99> need to hash a javascript string and send it to php for processing, so hash as to be de-cryped by php
Jul 27 10:40:40 <swisstomcat> hash and encrypting is not the same (hash is one-way)
Jul 27 10:41:39 <LoneStar99> yeah  is de-hash correct then?
Jul 27 10:42:16 <LoneStar99> javascript -> hash -> php -> de-hash
Jul 27 10:42:43 <hotdp> dehash?
Jul 27 10:42:53 <swisstomcat> hash is one-way, there's not de-hash
Jul 27 10:42:57 <hotdp> you can create two hash with same key
Jul 27 10:43:03 <hotdp> and compare result
Jul 27 10:43:04 <swisstomcat> js -> encrypt -> php -> decrypt
Jul 27 10:43:09 <hotdp> but never de-hash
Jul 27 10:43:13 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 27 10:43:24 <LoneStar99> ok
Jul 27 10:43:30 <hotdp> swisstomcat, EAS?
Jul 27 10:43:43 <swisstomcat> hotdp: exchange active sync
Jul 27 10:43:59 <LoneStar99> ok, think i know what I will do, but can't do it know, have to get some sleep =(
Jul 27 10:44:03 <hotdp> ok. I really don't know :) what should i google
Jul 27 10:46:01 <LoneStar99> ok folks chat later, the sandman is calling my name
Jul 27 10:46:09 <LoneStar99> laters
Jul 27 10:47:07 <swisstomcat> later
Jul 27 10:48:27 <swisstomcat> hotdp: i'm looking for a good article
Jul 27 10:48:40 <hotdp> thanks
Jul 27 10:49:40 <hotdp> I would like to dev a prog on the iphone that gets information from the computer. So it listents on "something" on the computer and acts on the output as soon as the output changes. If you understamnd
Jul 27 10:50:29 <swisstomcat> i think android 2.2 (froyo) just added something like that
Jul 27 10:51:27 <swisstomcat> "Apps can now send information to the Google server and have it send the info to the phone, wake it up and even load up whatever info they want"
Jul 27 10:52:45 <swisstomcat> Android Cloud to Device MessagingApps can utilize Android Cloud to Device Messaging to enable mobile alert, send to phone, and two-way push sync functionality.
Jul 27 10:53:14 <swisstomcat> mojo messaging was supposed to do something similar .. it has not yet appeared tho
Jul 27 10:53:31 <swisstomcat> hotdp: doesn't the iphone already have push messaging?
Jul 27 10:53:53 <hotdp> i think so
Jul 27 10:54:09 <hotdp> So i have to switch to Android ? :S
Jul 27 10:55:02 <hotdp> It sounds like its what i need. So there is no subscribtions for webos now?
Jul 27 10:55:18 <hotdp> If not i must find "another" way to do it?
Jul 27 10:55:23 <swisstomcat> not yet .. mojo messaging was announced back in 2009 i thini
Jul 27 10:55:24 <swisstomcat> think
Jul 27 10:55:55 <hotdp> without pull
Jul 27 10:55:57 <swisstomcat> yeah, you'd have to find your own solution
Jul 27 10:56:14 <hotdp> What was the rss stuff you talked about?
Jul 27 10:58:01 <swisstomcat> an xml file on your server than contains metadata about the website
Jul 27 10:58:06 <swisstomcat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS
Jul 27 10:58:11 <swisstomcat> but it has to be pulled too
Jul 27 10:59:19 <swisstomcat> here is some more info about one technique for "push": long polling
Jul 27 10:59:19 <swisstomcat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology#Long_polling
Jul 27 10:59:58 <swisstomcat> and for the iphone
Jul 27 11:00:00 <swisstomcat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Push_Notification_Service
Jul 27 11:12:37 <hotdp> sry was away
Jul 27 11:13:07 <hotdp> i know push technology,
Jul 27 11:13:16 <hotdp> but don't know how to implement it on webos
Jul 27 11:13:30 <hotdp> or how to do another thing if it is not possuble
Jul 27 11:23:44 <gu1l7y5p4rk> I've got a general question for pretty much anyone to answer... "what do you use irc for?" I'm a bit new to irc an would like to know out of curiosity.
Jul 27 11:24:43 <swisstomcat> post questions and answer questions
Jul 27 11:25:03 <swisstomcat> webos questions that is
Jul 27 11:26:27 <gu1l7y5p4rk> do you use it for purposes other than webos? its so huge, I just can't see what the appeal to so many users is.
Jul 27 11:27:22 <swisstomcat> sometimes i'm on other channels as well
Jul 27 11:28:09 <gu1l7y5p4rk> Just to chat about various topics?
Jul 27 11:28:15 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 27 11:28:51 <gu1l7y5p4rk> hmm, seems like I should take a look around. lol.
Jul 27 11:28:57 <swisstomcat> even palm people are in here sometimes
Jul 27 11:28:58 <swisstomcat> fastest way to contact them
Jul 27 11:29:35 <gu1l7y5p4rk> any way to tell one apart from a regular user?
Jul 27 11:29:55 <swisstomcat> the ip-address/hostname
Jul 27 11:30:13 <swisstomcat> or the name if you already know them
Jul 27 11:32:13 <gu1l7y5p4rk> why are there soo many users that don't do or say anything? any reason someone would stay connected and not do anything?
Jul 27 11:32:37 <hotdp> lol
Jul 27 11:33:55 <gu1l7y5p4rk> lol accidentally flicked the wrong card away swiss.
Jul 27 11:35:11 <swisstomcat> some people leave their irc-client open all the time
Jul 27 11:37:44 <gu1l7y5p4rk> I guess its easy and quick, makes sense. thx for the q&a dude.
Jul 27 11:38:13 <swisstomcat> np
Jul 27 11:42:09 <hotdp> swisstomcat did you have an ideer?
Jul 27 11:42:37 <swisstomcat> hotdp: guess you could try long-polling with an ajax-request
Jul 27 11:42:49 <swisstomcat> don't know how long you can set the timeout tho
Jul 27 11:43:52 <hotdp> hmm
Jul 27 11:43:54 <hotdp> i will¨
Jul 27 11:47:05 <swisstomcat> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/333664/simple-long-polling-example-code
Jul 27 12:17:44 <gu1l7y5p4rk> My pre temp is at 48°c. Is that considered too hot? I'm just charging and running irc...
Jul 27 12:18:21 <swisstomcat> should be fine up to 60 i think
Jul 27 12:19:03 <gu1l7y5p4rk> K, wasn't sure.
Jul 27 12:27:13 <loic_m> are there any IRC app for the pre ?
Jul 27 12:27:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jul 27 12:27:51 <swisstomcat> wirc is one
Jul 27 12:27:57 <swisstomcat> a very good one
Jul 27 12:28:08 <swisstomcat> get it via preware
Jul 27 12:28:46 <loic_m> oh, via preware ok
Jul 27 12:28:56 <loic_m> did not try it for the moment
Jul 27 12:34:08 <gu1l7y5p4rk> I'm on it right now and it... Well it just works. I like it.
Jul 27 12:36:12 <loic_m> does preware break the phone warranty
Jul 27 12:36:13 <loic_m> ?
Jul 27 12:36:26 <swisstomcat> why would it?
Jul 27 12:37:31 <loic_m> because they're unofficial apps/patches
Jul 27 12:38:02 <gu1l7y5p4rk> I would think the patches need to be removed before updating webos or taking the phone into a store...
Jul 27 14:17:04 <twbbas> http://pastie.org/1062125 I'm getting this error pertaining to line 32, Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'bind' of object. Does anyone know what's wrong here and how to fix it?
Jul 27 14:18:44 <sugardave> twbbas: it's as if this.receivesuccess is not a function, but an object
Jul 27 14:18:59 <twbbas> I have the function right below it though
Jul 27 14:19:16 <sugardave> paste it
Jul 27 14:22:41 <twbbas> http://pastie.org/1062139
Jul 27 14:24:08 <twbbas> This whole ajax request code has worked for me in another app. I simply just copied my code from my other app and changed the function names
Jul 27 14:24:17 <twbbas> It's weird that it's not working now
Jul 27 14:25:30 <sugardave> twbbas: major typo
Jul 27 14:25:37 <twbbas> oh shoot lol, where?
Jul 27 14:25:42 <sugardave> on line 1
Jul 27 14:25:48 <sugardave> should be MainAssistant
Jul 27 14:26:10 <twbbas> oh that's not the problem actually
Jul 27 14:26:17 <twbbas> I changed it from my scene name to Main for the code
Jul 27 14:26:29 <sugardave> hmmm
Jul 27 14:26:29 <twbbas> (The scene name gives away what my app does) :D
Jul 27 14:26:40 <sugardave> okay, hang on a sec
Jul 27 14:26:55 <twbbas> k, thanks
Jul 27 14:28:50 <HattCzech_work> morning all
Jul 27 14:28:55 <twbbas> Hello
Jul 27 14:29:08 <swisstomcat> morning
Jul 27 14:29:21 <sugardave> twbbas: try this and check the log to see what type of thing your app thinks this.receivesuccess is: http://webos.pastebin.com/pF8W1Zbx
Jul 27 14:33:07 <twbbas> Yay, thanks! Works great
Jul 27 14:33:14 <twbbas> I just had to do that same thing for the onFailure
Jul 27 14:33:21 <twbbas> Now it's perfect
Jul 27 14:33:26 <twbbas> Thanks a lot, sugardave
Jul 27 14:34:56 <twbbas> Off to get my haircut now, see ya later
Jul 27 14:39:45 * haeffb_pre needs to write a Depot example for 101
Jul 27 14:43:00 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: I thought you had done that already
Jul 27 14:43:35 <swisstomcat> yeah, cupcake
Jul 27 14:49:00 <haeffb_pre> cupcakes are SQLite, not Depot
Jul 27 14:49:42 <swisstomcat> oh
Jul 27 15:59:28 <Chriswebos> How do you change the icon in the dashboard?
Jul 27 16:25:57 <dkirker> 'morning chuqui
Jul 27 16:28:05 <MetaView> moin
Jul 27 16:28:31 <chuqui> hey, good morning!
Jul 27 16:28:34 <chuqui> Happy tuesday!
Jul 27 16:28:45 <MetaView> happy tuesday to you too :)
Jul 27 16:29:35 <Nyceane> morning guys =D
Jul 27 16:29:54 <Nyceane> hi xalbo
Jul 27 16:29:55 <MetaView> I wonder how am I supposed to read an email attachement
Jul 27 16:30:00 <Nyceane> hi MetaView =)
Jul 27 16:30:06 <MetaView> hi Nyceane
Jul 27 16:30:14 <Nyceane> can you do me a big favor? =D
Jul 27 16:30:21 <Nyceane> almost everybody from this channel has already done it so =-|
Jul 27 16:30:22 <MetaView> well, which?
Jul 27 16:30:28 <Nyceane> you might have too heh
Jul 27 16:30:42 <MetaView> Anyone knows a solution for "Not allowed to load local resource" ?
Jul 27 16:31:07 <Nyceane> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 27 16:31:21 <Nyceane> I built this web app for a contest sponsored by Michelle Obama
Jul 27 16:31:29 <Nyceane> i was wondering if you can cast a vote for it, MetaView
Jul 27 16:31:55 <Nyceane> winning gets honored in the white house, I might've asked you before already heh
Jul 27 16:37:13 <MetaView> Nyceane: ok, will do, send me a postcard from the white house then :)
Jul 27 16:39:03 <MetaView> anyone from Palm can tell me a way to bypass this "Not allowed to load local resource" error when trying to open an email attachment?
Jul 27 16:40:20 <Nyceane> i will =D
Jul 27 16:40:27 <MetaView> :)
Jul 27 16:40:36 <Nyceane> i m 58 votes short to take the lead right now
Jul 27 16:40:54 <MetaView> how much will you earn?
Jul 27 16:41:31 <Nyceane> MetaView, getting honored in white house
Jul 27 16:41:42 <Nyceane> like $4500 split between 3 people, dont even cover the cost...
Jul 27 16:41:55 <MetaView> oh well
Jul 27 16:42:11 <Nyceane> 56 short now =D
Jul 27 17:11:12 <dkirker> hi Tibfib
Jul 27 17:11:47 <Tibfib> dkirker: howdy
Jul 27 17:13:01 <dkirker> I was just thinking about it -- but the license that Mojo Messenger and moVox are released under probably won't make a difference with regard to integrating them, since we are the developers.
Jul 27 17:16:54 <dkirker> I'll email you more with my thoughts later tonight.
Jul 27 17:17:11 <Tibfib> cool, it's tibfib1[at]gmail[dot]com
Jul 27 17:17:32 * dkirker notes
Jul 27 17:17:56 <dkirker> hiya digitalpowers
Jul 27 17:20:47 <torchie> starting to wonder if I should get a pixi
Jul 27 17:20:57 <torchie> I imagine they'd have sturdier hardware than a pre
Jul 27 17:21:11 <dkirker> seems kinda like it
Jul 27 17:21:21 <dkirker> though my Pre Plus has help up well
Jul 27 17:21:54 <dkirker> I would like to see a hybrid pixi/pre keyboard. The Pre keys are a bit too soft.
Jul 27 17:24:35 <maik> my wife has a pixi, it's godawful slow
Jul 27 17:24:41 <maik> i do like the keyboard way more than my Pre though
Jul 27 17:25:03 <maik> nice and clicky
Jul 27 17:26:39 <torchie> yeah the pixi keyboard is
Jul 27 17:26:42 <torchie> for lack of a better word
Jul 27 17:26:43 <torchie> godly
Jul 27 17:26:48 <torchie> like what the hell
Jul 27 17:30:03 <Tibfib> Okay, this: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/palmmyaccount.png or this: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/myaccount.png (for header)?
Jul 27 17:30:50 <dkirker> the latter fits with the footer
Jul 27 17:31:23 <hotdp_pre> i like nr 2
Jul 27 17:32:36 <Tibfib> okay, thanks guys. I'll go with my own header then
Jul 27 17:33:52 <hotdp_pre> its like it fits the bottom style..
Jul 27 17:36:18 <hotdp_pre> do someone know when mojo messaging will be ready?
Jul 27 17:41:04 <hotdp_pre> http://mojomessenger.com/ cool site
Jul 27 17:41:07 <hotdp_pre> hehe
Jul 27 17:44:13 <Tibfib> hah :P
Jul 27 17:44:46 <hotdp_pre> found it will searching for mojo messagning on first page
Jul 27 17:44:59 <hotdp_pre> not messenger ;-)
Jul 27 17:45:56 <hotdp_pre> seen agile messenger? 10 euro...
Jul 27 17:46:00 <Anivrom|pre> So, who's alive?
Jul 27 17:46:09 <Anivrom|pre> Is it out now?
Jul 27 17:46:23 <hotdp_pre> yes
Jul 27 17:46:29 <Anivrom|pre> Its been saying coming soon for a loong time
Jul 27 17:46:35 <hotdp_pre> 0 reviews.. who made it?
Jul 27 17:46:44 <hotdp_pre> 10 auro is alot
Jul 27 17:46:57 <Anivrom|pre> Google it
Jul 27 17:47:13 <hotdp_pre> if it is someone fromirc :-)
Jul 27 17:47:28 <Tibfib> it looks like it might be a nice app
Jul 27 17:47:34 <Tibfib> not like mundi or im+
Jul 27 17:48:18 <torchie> such mundu/im+ hate
Jul 27 17:48:27 <torchie> well neither support skype
Jul 27 17:48:30 <torchie> so hate hate hate
Jul 27 17:48:42 <Tibfib> they just look like bad apps is all
Jul 27 17:49:00 <Anivrom|pre> hotdp_pre: its not someone from irc
Jul 27 17:49:02 <hotdp_pre> 10 buks is still too much..
Jul 27 17:49:16 <hotdp_pre> ok thanks Anvirom
Jul 27 17:49:22 <Anivrom|pre> Tibfib: how close is mojo messenger from beta?
Jul 27 17:49:30 <Tibfib> august prolly
Jul 27 17:49:39 <Anivrom|pre> Bah
Jul 27 17:49:52 <Anivrom|pre> Is it gonna support all protocols?
Jul 27 17:50:04 <Anivrom|pre> I want xfire on my pre
Jul 27 17:50:27 <Anivrom|pre> That would be orgasmic
Jul 27 17:50:43 <hotdp_pre> lol
Jul 27 17:51:03 <Tibfib> nope. it's not like that. it is like bbm
Jul 27 17:51:24 <Anivrom|pre> Bbm?
Jul 27 17:51:24 <hotdp_pre> don't wonna see you use xfire then
Jul 27 17:51:26 <Anivrom|pre> Ah
Jul 27 17:51:36 <Anivrom|pre> Wow that's pretty cool actually
Jul 27 17:52:07 <Tibfib> If I found good api's I'd add support for other protocols
Jul 27 17:52:14 <Anivrom|pre> I'd like to participate in the design process
Jul 27 17:52:35 <Anivrom|pre> Is it elligble for the cat?
Jul 27 17:52:40 <hotdp_pre> tibfib is it push or do you poll?
Jul 27 17:53:03 <Tibfib> hotdp_pre: pull until javascript services/mojo messaging service
Jul 27 17:53:11 <Tibfib> Anivrom|pre: yep
Jul 27 17:53:43 <hotdp_pre> ok.. hoped you had a good solution. i need one :-)
Jul 27 17:53:47 <Anivrom|pre> Nice! I think we just made the webos line a whole lot sexier then.
Jul 27 17:54:18 <Tibfib> hah yeah. I need push messaging. It would make the app a lot  better... oh well. I'll just have to wait
Jul 27 17:54:46 <Anivrom|pre> Too bad palm won't officially support it. Would be a nice selling point
Jul 27 17:55:14 <hotdp_pre> yer what is holding back? more then 1 year
Jul 27 17:55:32 <Anivrom|pre> Can't you host a serverside that controls it?
Jul 27 17:55:46 <Tibfib> Anivrom|pre: controls push messaging?
Jul 27 17:55:55 <Anivrom|pre> Yea
Jul 27 17:56:01 <Anivrom|pre> Since this is your app
Jul 27 17:56:19 <Tibfib> That's the plan. I haven't had time to work on that but I don't think it will be easy/possible without javascript services
Jul 27 17:56:51 <Anivrom|pre> Can't node do someting like that?
Jul 27 17:57:03 <Tibfib> I think so
Jul 27 17:57:55 <Tibfib> hotdp_pre: what do ya mean?
Jul 27 17:58:05 <Anivrom|pre> I thought node was s versatile it could build you an island, transform your phone into a jet and fly you there? Or something like that
Jul 27 17:58:09 <Anivrom|pre> :P
Jul 27 17:58:22 <rok> hi
Jul 27 17:58:30 <Anivrom|pre> Hi
Jul 27 17:58:30 <Tibfib> Anivrom|pre: that's what I heard :P
Jul 27 17:58:37 <Nyceane> hi rok =D
Jul 27 17:58:52 <hotdp_pre> its more then 1 year ago they talked about it
Jul 27 17:59:11 <Tibfib> oh yeah. I don't really know what's taking so long
Jul 27 18:00:29 <Anivrom|pre> Talked about what?
Jul 27 18:00:46 <rok> got a question - just before i fired my app into store, i took the 40minutes for checking my mini-app -> my app has an update button for getting json and 3 preferences (autoupdate, feedurl etc) - now palm wants a help page. okay i build one with my emailadress.
Jul 27 18:01:12 <Tibfib> Anivrom|pre: mojomessaging service
Jul 27 18:01:21 <Anivrom|pre> Hmm
Jul 27 18:01:23 <rok> but as my app is so small - i am wondering if i should make a long helptopic list.
Jul 27 18:01:41 <Anivrom|pre> Kinda like a 'bbm' tpe api?
Jul 27 18:02:10 <torchie> so mojo messenger's already up and ready to go?
Jul 27 18:02:19 <torchie> a phone exclusive messenger sounds like fun
Jul 27 18:02:25 <Tibfib> torchie: yes/no
Jul 27 18:02:30 <torchie> oho
Jul 27 18:02:30 <Tibfib> it's in private testing
Jul 27 18:02:37 <Anivrom|pre> Rok: I look at it this way, never underestimate your users ability to be stupid
Jul 27 18:02:39 <Tibfib> public testing should be in august
Jul 27 18:02:58 <Tibfib> just finishing up a couple things
Jul 27 18:08:05 <Tibfib> hmmmm, I'm not sure I like my square headers anymore
Jul 27 18:08:38 <Tibfib> gonna roll with palm ones for now
Jul 27 18:09:33 <Anivrom|pre> I can't wait to publish my game. Gonna feel so rewarding
Jul 27 18:09:57 <Anivrom|pre> Being my first mobile phone app
Jul 27 18:20:34 <codeslaw> hai
Jul 27 18:22:54 <HattCzech_work> hey
Jul 27 18:25:03 <Anivrom|pre> Hey
Jul 27 18:25:25 <Anivrom|pre> Codeslaw: Got my ipk yet?
Jul 27 18:25:25 <Anivrom|pre> :P
Jul 27 18:26:36 <Anivrom|pre> Run
Jul 27 18:26:48 <codeslaw> Anivrom|pre: girlfriend fam emergency has stopped my dev time for the last week
Jul 27 18:27:13 <Anivrom|pre> codeslaw: understandable
Jul 27 18:27:35 <codeslaw> but i did stay up till 3 last night refactoring the bulk of my controller code in to clean reusable objects
Jul 27 18:27:49 <codeslaw> which should make the last few features i need to add very easy
Jul 27 18:29:01 <Nyceane> codeslaw =D
Jul 27 18:29:07 <Anivrom|pre> codeslaw: I hate rewriting code.
Jul 27 18:29:28 <codeslaw> normally me too, but this made a huge difference
Jul 27 18:29:33 <kesne> Guess who's here?
Jul 27 18:29:42 <Nyceane> chuqui?
Jul 27 18:29:50 <kesne> He's busy
Jul 27 18:29:58 <codeslaw> i also de-coupled my metronome code from the main loop, and loosely coupled it with the system clock, which has stabalized the beat quite a bit
Jul 27 18:30:00 <codeslaw> though not perfect
Jul 27 18:30:14 <codeslaw> need faster interrupts, and priority threading for a proper sample-synch
Jul 27 18:30:41 <chuqui> nyceane yo? but kesne's right. trying to get some stuff done.. what's up?
Jul 27 18:31:08 <codeslaw> he's busy with being about to announce the results of the SDK contest
Jul 27 18:31:18 <codeslaw> =D=D=D
Jul 27 18:31:34 <chuqui> actually...
Jul 27 18:32:08 <Anivrom|pre> codeslaw: yea I my game isn't as time critical but I have as much as I can in separate timers outside the main loop
Jul 27 18:32:35 <codeslaw> Anivrom|pre: word.  you released yet?
Jul 27 18:33:01 <codeslaw> chuqui: *gasp*
Jul 27 18:33:13 <Anivrom|pre> Lol not for a few weeks yet. Only halfway done and have already put over 60 hours into it I'm sure
Jul 27 18:33:35 <codeslaw> ah i see
Jul 27 18:35:40 <kesne> Roy-Pre101:
Jul 27 18:36:12 <Roy-Pre101> That's me.
Jul 27 18:36:30 <Anivrom|pre> I'm thinking about rewriting a bunch of code though to avoid the flag nightmare I'm starting to run into
Jul 27 18:37:28 <Anivrom|pre> I never thought through it as much as I should of, kinda just started coding and never stepped back from the canvas lol
Jul 27 18:38:24 <Anivrom|pre> Unfortunately complex games require lots of flags.
Jul 27 18:43:05 <Anivrom|pre> Kesne: you still never answered me. What app is it. Pm if you don't wanna say in public chat
Jul 27 18:47:56 <codeslaw> my gesture recognition method is a huge steaming pile of conditionals
Jul 27 18:49:19 <MetaView> cool, got an answer from unwiredben
Jul 27 18:49:36 <Anivrom|pre> Lol. If statements I can deal with, its when those if statements are dependent on flags throughout your code which in turn are toggled on other conditions which are toggled by yet more conditions
Jul 27 18:50:03 <Anivrom|pre> And you have them being toggled in mutiple sections of code depending on certaij conditions,
Jul 27 18:51:31 <kesne> MetaView!
Jul 27 18:51:41 <MetaView> yes?
Jul 27 18:51:57 <Anivrom|pre> Been a while
Jul 27 18:52:17 <Anivrom|pre> Hey LoneStar99 how'd that web code work out?
Jul 27 18:52:41 <LoneStar99> Anivrom|pre: actually gonna mess with it in abit, met with my friend today
Jul 27 18:52:52 <Anivrom|pre> Ah
Jul 27 18:53:34 <LoneStar99> really feel like coding my app, but he needs the site by thursday morning
Jul 27 18:54:34 <Anivrom|pre> Heh yea I have a guy I was supposed to meet up with a couple weeks ago to discuss the details of a website he wants me to build but I haven't called him yet
Jul 27 18:54:48 <LoneStar99> still kinda hard for me to picture a 4-door porsche
Jul 27 18:55:07 <Anivrom|pre> Unless its an SUV
Jul 27 18:55:19 <Anivrom|pre> Cayenne is a sweet machine
Jul 27 18:55:33 <LoneStar99> Anivrom|pre: yeah have you seen the 4 door porsche car, looks weird
Jul 27 18:55:56 <Anivrom|pre> codeslaw: which app has the gesture logic
Jul 27 18:56:15 <LoneStar99> http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10004256.html?tag=mncol looks like a soccer mom station wagon, kinda ugly....
Jul 27 18:56:22 <Anivrom|pre> LoneStar99: havent
Jul 27 18:56:23 * MetaView dances
Jul 27 18:56:44 <codeslaw> Anivrom|pre: drum machine app
Jul 27 18:57:17 <Anivrom|pre> Weird. What sorts of things can you do?
Jul 27 18:57:30 <Anivrom|pre> LoneStar99: looks pretty decent actually
Jul 27 18:57:46 <codeslaw> taps, drags, two finger drags, pinch/squeeze, and three finger drags
Jul 27 18:57:50 <Anivrom|pre> Now a 4 door ferrari or lambo would look alien
Jul 27 18:58:29 <Tibfib> codeslaw: you are making a drum machine app right?
Jul 27 18:58:29 <Anivrom|pre> codeslaw: but what's the features of those.
Jul 27 18:58:35 <codeslaw> Tibfib: yes
Jul 27 18:58:45 <Tibfib> codeslaw: nice, when do you think you'll be finished?
Jul 27 18:59:26 <Anivrom|pre> When I beta test it and it gets stamped as 'real life drummer approved' :P
Jul 27 18:59:28 <LoneStar99> Anivrom|pre: you are right maybe it is not that ugly just weird,
Jul 27 18:59:32 <codeslaw> Anivrom|pre: tap and drag is turn beats on/off.  two finger drag lets you grab and throw the tempo bar
Jul 27 18:59:41 <LoneStar99> well time to start working on the site
Jul 27 18:59:52 <codeslaw> my plan is to incorporate pinch/squeeze to increase/decrease the number of notes per beat
Jul 27 18:59:58 <codeslaw> in real time
Jul 27 19:00:12 <codeslaw> and 3 finger drag to pan the entire track, if there are more notes than screen space
Jul 27 19:00:20 <Anivrom|pre> Noice noice. Shouldn't be too hard
Jul 27 19:00:36 <codeslaw> but, pinch squeeze will conflict with two finger drag, as they are almost the same
Jul 27 19:00:55 <codeslaw> so, its just a bunch of threshold tracking, action locking, headache inducing stuff
Jul 27 19:01:24 <Anivrom|pre> The only problem you're going to run into is webos devices and their terible tap recognition. Especially when you're dealing with destructive commands such as changing realtime values
Jul 27 19:01:34 <Anivrom|pre> There is no confirmation box
Jul 27 19:01:55 <codeslaw> Anivrom|pre: i am beating that, using SDL_GetMultiMouseState
Jul 27 19:02:21 <codeslaw> i'm bypassing any built in gesture recognition, and determining taps/drags myself
Jul 27 19:02:30 <codeslaw> which is instantaneous
Jul 27 19:02:35 <Anivrom|pre> Oh sweet
Jul 27 19:02:43 <codeslaw> ya, it's very responsive
Jul 27 19:02:55 <codeslaw> also helps that my entire UI is a series of filled rectangles
Jul 27 19:02:59 <codeslaw> =D
Jul 27 19:03:11 <Anivrom|pre> Lol yea not much there
Jul 27 19:03:16 <rok> hm
Jul 27 19:03:27 <rok> where i get web os 1.0 to test my app on it? :D
Jul 27 19:04:19 <MetaView> why would you want it?
Jul 27 19:04:26 <MetaView> there is no 1.0 outside anymore
Jul 27 19:04:56 <rok> k
Jul 27 19:05:02 <Anivrom|pre> codeslaw: even still, I think its a hardware issue more than a software one, I'm sure palm has invested enoug time and money into developing webos's touch algorithms. But you never know, do you have any initial data suggesting an improvement?
Jul 27 19:05:31 <Anivrom|pre> Besides speed
Jul 27 19:05:58 <codeslaw> no i don't
Jul 27 19:06:29 <Nyceane> codeslaw
Jul 27 19:06:32 <codeslaw> the improvement i am seeing is coming from the fact that i don't wait for mouse events, i poll the mouse state in my main loop and act accordingly, using SetEventFilter to parse that stuff
Jul 27 19:06:35 <Nyceane> can you do me a huge favor?
Jul 27 19:06:44 <codeslaw> Nyceane: what do you need?
Jul 27 19:08:05 <Anivrom|pre> He needs you to vote nyceane for pre
Jul 27 19:08:08 <Anivrom|pre> Prez
Jul 27 19:08:16 <codeslaw> Pre Prez?
Jul 27 19:09:11 <codeslaw> :o
Jul 27 19:09:55 <Anivrom|pre> No pre, just prez, wIRC + pre keyboard = spelling fail
Jul 27 19:10:04 <codeslaw> ah
Jul 27 19:10:57 <LoneStar99> is kesne around?
Jul 27 19:11:06 <kesne> Yeah
Jul 27 19:11:10 <kesne> Just gotta ping him
Jul 27 19:11:55 <LoneStar99> you know how to make cool effects in javascript right?
Jul 27 19:12:01 <kesne> Define Cool
Jul 27 19:12:18 <Anivrom|pre> Lol
Jul 27 19:12:24 <LoneStar99> onclick want a div to appear, but kinda slow
Jul 27 19:12:35 <Anivrom|pre> Webkit
Jul 27 19:12:37 <LoneStar99> like "transitioning" into place
Jul 27 19:12:46 <Anivrom|pre> Google webkit transitions
Jul 27 19:13:03 <LoneStar99> but webkit will not work with mozilla or other browsers rignt?
Jul 27 19:13:06 <codeslaw> mojo animator can do it, using opacity property
Jul 27 19:13:11 <codeslaw> oh, not mojo
Jul 27 19:13:27 <codeslaw> webkit and mozilla both have css transitions, with vendor specific tags
Jul 27 19:13:33 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: oh.. not mojo. I know how to do it with mojo
Jul 27 19:13:37 <codeslaw> -moz-transition and -webkit-transition
Jul 27 19:13:56 <codeslaw> also, jQuery or mootools
Jul 27 19:14:36 <kesne> Use jQuery
Jul 27 19:14:43 <kesne> .fadeOut();
Jul 27 19:14:46 <Famic> jQuery ftx
Jul 27 19:14:52 <Famic> w
Jul 27 19:15:03 <kesne> $("#somediv").fadeOut("slow");
Jul 27 19:15:20 <Tibfib> for the xylophone?
Jul 27 19:15:31 <LoneStar99> designing a small site for friend and wants certain things to fade in and out, but not sure i have the time to install frameworks etc...
Jul 27 19:15:42 <kesne> Just use jQuery
Jul 27 19:16:02 <kesne> Just dl it, throw it in a lib folder, add one <script> tag, and use that code
Jul 27 19:16:05 <kesne> You're good to go
Jul 27 19:16:16 <kesne> No "Installing Frameworks"
Jul 27 19:16:22 <LoneStar99> kesne: ok seems simple enough
Jul 27 19:16:30 <codeslaw> javascript frameworks dont need installing
Jul 27 19:16:35 <codeslaw> just... including
Jul 27 19:16:53 <kesne> Yeah
Jul 27 19:16:54 <codeslaw> jquery is plug-and-play like a maniac
Jul 27 19:16:56 <kesne> What he said
Jul 27 19:17:10 <kesne> If you already use prototype or something, it might get messy though
Jul 27 19:17:22 <Famic> mojo relies on prototype
Jul 27 19:17:22 <codeslaw> ya
Jul 27 19:17:29 <Famic> you'll need noConflict()
Jul 27 19:17:32 <kesne> Famic: Read the whole thread
Jul 27 19:17:41 <kesne> thread isn't the right word
Jul 27 19:17:45 <Tibfib> Famic: not in mojo :)
Jul 27 19:17:51 <kesne> Just go back, like, five seconds
Jul 27 19:18:37 <LoneStar99> ok, thanks guys, need to work on other stuff for the site first,
Jul 27 19:18:47 <kesne> You always do that
Jul 27 19:18:55 <kesne> You ask, then you tell us you're not doing it for like a week
Jul 27 19:21:57 <Anivrom|pre> This ones 'fo real' this time
Jul 27 19:29:01 <codeslaw> back yo
Jul 27 19:38:23 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw or chuqui: is this true about the hot apps? :)
Jul 27 19:38:41 <chuqui> is what true?
Jul 27 19:39:07 <LoneStar99> any one what is wrong with the following code? http://pastebin.com/ziTYuB7F
Jul 27 19:39:32 <HattCzech_work> that you're getting ready to announce?
Jul 27 19:40:03 <chuqui> that would be telling.
Jul 27 19:40:07 <Famic> LoneStar99: scope ?
Jul 27 19:40:35 <HattCzech_work> LoneStar99: declare variable somewhere
Jul 27 19:40:43 <HattCzech_work> and yeah, i think Famic is right
Jul 27 19:42:33 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: declare variable like a global?
Jul 27 19:42:41 <codeslaw> HattCzech_work: like i know =(
Jul 27 19:43:05 <HattCzech_work> yeah, otherwise you'll need to pass it in
Jul 27 19:43:40 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw: good point :/ it's been almost a full month... should see something
Jul 27 19:43:50 <codeslaw> indeed
Jul 27 19:44:31 <chuqui> dammit, I really need to sit down and learn bash. I have to get away from tcsh
Jul 27 19:44:35 <chuqui> grump.
Jul 27 19:44:46 <scottb> Any one know the status of the hot apps promotion?
Jul 27 19:44:46 <codeslaw> chuqui: bash isn't hard
Jul 27 19:44:47 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: kinda like "var variable = +1;"
Jul 27 19:45:05 <codeslaw> i'd say it's one of the easier shell environments
Jul 27 19:45:29 <HattCzech_work> LoneStar99: doubt you can have the + in there, but yeah
Jul 27 19:46:06 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Jul 27 19:46:07 <Famic> I don't think the + matters, but that has to be outside of the functions definitions
Jul 27 19:46:47 <HattCzech_work> wasn't sure if you could declare a "positive" number... it's implied unless negative
Jul 27 19:47:11 <HattCzech_work> but yeah, right under the script tag and before the functions should work
Jul 27 19:47:15 <Famic> it's implied... doesn't mean you can't specify it too ;)
Jul 27 19:47:21 <HattCzech_work> valid point :)
Jul 27 19:47:31 <chuqui> no, it's not. I just need to spend some time.
Jul 27 19:47:40 <chuqui> but my brain is wired to csh syntax.
Jul 27 19:47:45 <chuqui> and right now, that's not useful.
Jul 27 19:48:20 <dunivan> hey hey
Jul 27 19:49:42 <LoneStar99> wow perfect dudes, it works
Jul 27 19:50:04 <Famic> damn! I thought we were misleading you
Jul 27 19:50:29 <LoneStar99> famic, the thing is want to get this site, done, need to work on my app =(
Jul 27 19:51:20 <dunivan> LoneStar99 = AnotherDude
Jul 27 19:51:31 <dunivan> ?
Jul 27 19:52:37 <dunivan> can someone tell me how to turn a .patch file into a .ipk
Jul 27 19:54:11 <LoneStar99> hi dunivan
Jul 27 19:56:04 <renegaid> agile messenger is in the catalog for a whopping 10.
Jul 27 19:56:37 <renegaid> the app cannot run in the background which seems to be the case with the other 2 apps
Jul 27 19:56:54 <dunivan> hey LoneStar99
Jul 27 19:57:14 <renegaid> is there something about webos that prevents these apps running in background? they do so on all other platforms
Jul 27 19:58:06 <Anivrom|pre> Got this retro 80's cassette on right now, some righteous tunes!
Jul 27 19:58:10 <dunivan> renegaid i think it has to do with the way ram is cycled out
Jul 27 19:58:14 <LoneStar99> anyone know what time the mothership will be arriving?
Jul 27 19:58:19 <dunivan> thats why we cant have something load on bootup
Jul 27 19:58:48 <renegaid> I've seen apps load at boot
Jul 27 19:59:03 <renegaid> tweed does that
Jul 27 19:59:11 <Anivrom|pre> Fingerstrings loads on boot
Jul 27 19:59:28 <oil> LoneStar99: tomorrow
Jul 27 20:00:32 <dunivan> tweed loads at boot?
Jul 27 20:00:42 <kesne-away> WOO
Jul 27 20:00:46 <dunivan> hmmm, wonder if we can do that with vkb to kill the 3 second load time
Jul 27 20:00:53 <kesne-sucks> HA
Jul 27 20:00:59 <oil> haha
Jul 27 20:01:06 <Anivrom|pre> Oil: sometimes the chat window in wirc doesn't add messages until you scroll down
Jul 27 20:01:15 <oil> hm?
Jul 27 20:01:32 <oil> if you scroll up to look at backlog, it doesn't auto-scroll on new messages untill you scroll back down
Jul 27 20:01:45 <oil> not doing that would make viewing backlog next to impossible in a busy channel
Jul 27 20:01:47 <Anivrom|pre> No. Even if I dont
Jul 27 20:02:27 <Anivrom|pre> I understand that feature but it seems to be triggering even if I'm at the bottom
Jul 27 20:02:34 <Anivrom|pre> Something to look into
Jul 27 20:02:42 <oil> get me a repeatable test case and I will :)
Jul 27 20:02:56 <LoneStar99> oil: ok thanks, will be waiting in the corn field
Jul 27 20:03:07 <Txt_file> is it possible to copy all contacts at once to google, palm profile or the computer?
Jul 27 20:03:15 <Anivrom|pre> Maybe have a minimum threshhold
Jul 27 20:04:33 <oil> LoneStar99: be sure to bring snacks
Jul 27 20:04:59 <Anivrom|pre> Take some corn?
Jul 27 20:05:10 <oil> aliens love milkduds
Jul 27 20:05:19 <LoneStar99> oil: will take an ice chest full of goodeis
Jul 27 20:05:23 <oil> lol
Jul 27 20:08:45 <MetaView> New blog post about file type registering: http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/
Jul 27 20:11:17 <dkirker> MetaView: nice! :) How about registering protocol handlers?
Jul 27 20:12:19 <dunivan> anyone know how to turn a .patch file into a .ipkg file
Jul 27 20:14:02 <dunivan> so i can installs it
Jul 27 20:14:12 <MetaView> dunivan: use WbOSQI
Jul 27 20:14:17 <MetaView> WebOSQuickInstall
Jul 27 20:14:21 <egaudet_work> alchemy
Jul 27 20:14:54 <dunivan> right, but dont I have to turn it into a ipk
Jul 27 20:15:13 <dunivan> i got the git from vkb that works for me (the new ones dont), and its in .patch format
Jul 27 20:17:28 <MetaView> dkirker: no, one might search the OS source for this call
Jul 27 20:17:28 <dkirker> yeah, I was just thinking about doing that. It *has* to be somewhere... I even tried searching the Email app...
Jul 27 20:17:29 <MetaView> no
Jul 27 20:17:32 <MetaView> WOSQI can install patch files
Jul 27 20:17:41 <egaudet_work> dunivan: what do you mean the new ones don't?
Jul 27 20:18:02 <MetaView> as patch files aren't apps
Jul 27 20:18:23 <egaudet_work> i don't recommend this
Jul 27 20:18:39 <dunivan> then i wont do it ha ha, cant argue with the dev
Jul 27 20:19:07 <dunivan> ever since keyboss and uinput got thrown in the mix my phone hates vkb, rarely displays it, and throws up .json errors
Jul 27 20:20:18 <egaudet_work> there is nothing that should prevent the newest package from working
Jul 27 20:20:18 <egaudet_work> and I guess we should move this to webos-internals
Jul 27 20:20:18 <egaudet_work> you don't need keyboss nor uinput.  you can remove them
Jul 27 20:21:52 <dunivan> so the new version will have config and vkb files? the double install thing
Jul 27 20:24:58 <dunivan> hey palm folks, you should really advertise the openness of webOS
Jul 27 20:25:37 <dunivan> its becoming a big thing in the "smart phone" community it looks like
Jul 27 20:25:43 <dunivan> between jail breaking and rooting
Jul 27 20:32:52 <dkirker> what the hell is going on?
Jul 27 20:32:52 <MetaView> don't know
Jul 27 20:32:53 <dkirker> please don't net split again, please don't net split again...
Jul 27 20:32:53 <MetaView> please don't.... [crack] ...
Jul 27 20:32:53 <dkirker> lol
Jul 27 20:32:54 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Jul 27 20:33:01 <dkirker> dekan!!
Jul 27 20:33:03 <dkirker> botsnack
Jul 27 20:33:03 * dekan nom nom nom
Jul 27 20:33:04 <MetaView> btw. now sales since 2 days. What's wrong?
Jul 27 20:34:34 <Tibfib> YAY dekan
Jul 27 20:34:37 <Tibfib> scoobysnack
Jul 27 20:34:37 <dekan> Scoobydoobeedoo!
Jul 27 20:34:44 <dkirker> somebody is cooking food in the office, and it is making me very very hungry :(
Jul 27 20:35:02 <dkirker> and this mention of botsnack and scoobysnack isn't helping any...
Jul 27 20:35:22 <dkirker> botsnack
Jul 27 20:35:42 <dkirker> dekan! BOTSNACK!
Jul 27 20:35:49 <Tibfib> botsmack
Jul 27 20:35:57 * dekan nom nom nom
Jul 27 20:35:57 * dekan cowers
Jul 27 20:35:57 <Tibfib> dekan, come back!
Jul 27 20:35:57 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Jul 27 20:36:02 <dkirker> LOL
Jul 27 20:36:24 * Tibfib pokes dekan
Jul 27 20:37:12 <dekan> BUUUUURRRRRPPPP!
Jul 27 20:37:31 <Tibfib> dekan is lagging
Jul 27 20:37:36 <Tibfib> bad.
Jul 27 20:39:38 <sebastianha> If I change my password at the "manage my device" homepage, do I need to relogin on my device? (followed by the full erase)
Jul 27 20:45:50 <codeslaw> Nyceane: did you still have a question for me
Jul 27 20:46:13 <Nyceane> yah =)
Jul 27 20:46:26 <codeslaw> well too late!
Jul 27 20:46:33 <codeslaw> i'm out of answers
Jul 27 20:46:38 <Nyceane> I built this app for a contest thats sponsored by michelle obama, I was wondering if you can cast a vote for it
Jul 27 20:46:39 <Nyceane> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 27 20:46:51 <Nyceane> i need 37 more votes to catch up to 1st rank
Jul 27 20:46:52 <Nyceane> =-|
Jul 27 20:47:11 <Nyceane> any help would be really really appreciated
Jul 27 20:47:52 <codeslaw> done
Jul 27 20:47:58 <codeslaw> what kind of app is it
Jul 27 20:48:00 <codeslaw> webapp?
Jul 27 20:48:18 <Nyceane> yah
Jul 27 20:48:25 <LoneStar99> Nyceane: hooked u up the other day with a vote
Jul 27 20:48:25 <Nyceane> search for Pickup Sports in app catalog
Jul 27 20:48:27 <Nyceane> thats the app
Jul 27 20:48:35 <Nyceane> i know LoneStar99, thanks =)
Jul 27 20:48:49 <codeslaw> Nyceane: did you design the site
Jul 27 20:49:05 <LoneStar99> Nyceane: will email you the invoice
Jul 27 20:49:34 <Nyceane> lol, ok =)
Jul 27 20:49:43 <Nyceane> codeslaw, my team did, whats up =)
Jul 27 20:49:53 <Nyceane> all hail to chuqui =)
Jul 27 20:49:55 <codeslaw> i like it
Jul 27 20:49:59 <codeslaw> that is all
Jul 27 20:50:03 <Nyceane> thanks =)
Jul 27 20:50:45 <Nyceane> thanks for the support, palm developer are among the most supportive group i've met during development
Jul 27 20:51:37 <chuqui> howdee
Jul 27 20:53:10 <Nyceane> chuqui, can you do me a favor?
Jul 27 20:53:54 <Tibfib> you might have better luck if you say "quick favor"
Jul 27 20:53:54 <codeslaw> anyone know where i can find a how-to on packaging a PDK app?
Jul 27 20:54:03 <Nyceane> heh =)
Jul 27 20:54:16 <codeslaw> better yet, ask if you can have already had a favor done.
Jul 27 20:54:44 <Nyceane> i owe you guys a favor now, so i'll write down what everybody wants to say to michelle obama
Jul 27 20:54:55 <Nyceane> and say it to her if i win =)
Jul 27 20:55:08 <chuqui> maybe...
Jul 27 20:55:21 <Tibfib> "Mojo Messenger is awesome"
Jul 27 20:55:41 <Nyceane> chuqui, i built this application for a contest that's currently in michelle obama's contest, I was wondering if you can cast a vote for it
Jul 27 20:55:43 <Nyceane> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 27 20:56:14 <Tibfib> anyone had luck moving the command menus?
Jul 27 20:56:36 <Tibfib> I thought .palm-menu.command-menu was it, but it doesn't seem to work
Jul 27 20:58:41 <Tibfib> looks like I'm gonna use the inspector
Jul 27 20:58:55 <MetaView> moving? to where?
Jul 27 20:59:37 <Tibfib> just up 50px or so
Jul 27 20:59:40 <MetaView> codeslaw: look into unwiredben's blog, I guess he wrote something about
Jul 27 21:00:00 <codeslaw> i saw his checklist
Jul 27 21:00:09 <codeslaw> but i'll look for a howto on the packaging there
Jul 27 21:01:36 <Chriswebos> How do you change the icon in the dashboard?
Jul 27 21:02:33 <chuqui> it requires registration to vote? Bookmarked it. will go take a closer look when I have a minute; running around right now..
Jul 27 21:02:52 <Nyceane> thanks =)
Jul 27 21:03:04 <Nyceane> Chriswebos, icon.png
Jul 27 21:03:09 <Tibfib> Chriswebos: magic
Jul 27 21:03:13 <chuqui> it's a cause I don't mind supporting at all,  actually.
Jul 27 21:03:29 <Nyceane> and your configuration file should link to custom one if you have one
Jul 27 21:03:35 <Nyceane> chuqui, thanks =)
Jul 27 21:03:49 <Nyceane> chuqui, it means a lot to me, I'll make sure saying good stuff about palm this time
Jul 27 21:04:16 <Tibfib> Chriswebos: http://webos.pastebin.com/iJHCG94z
Jul 27 21:04:41 <Chriswebos> I'm sorry...my question wasn't clear...I have a notification that pops up, alerting the user to an update. I have the split similar to the email app when you have several messages. I want the smaller part to show my icon but it's showing a blacked-out I
Jul 27 21:05:28 <Chriswebos> tibfib: oh, that may be what I need!
Jul 27 21:05:35 <Chriswebos> lemme try
Jul 27 21:06:13 <Tibfib> wooooooow. dumb palm. They add a manual style='bottom: 0px' to the command menu widget
Jul 27 21:06:20 <Tibfib> now to figure out how to grab it
Jul 27 21:07:48 <Tibfib> how would I grab an ID'less div? I don't know the what child it is
Jul 27 21:08:55 <Chriswebos> why doesn't it have an ID?
Jul 27 21:09:04 <Tibfib> ask palm :P
Jul 27 21:09:06 <MetaView> because it's from the framework...
Jul 27 21:09:07 <Tibfib> it's a command menu
Jul 27 21:09:26 <Chriswebos> sorry...late to the conversation...what're you trying to do?
Jul 27 21:09:45 <dkirker> Nyceane: Remind me tonight to cast a vote. I've been too busy since you first asked me.
Jul 27 21:10:12 <Anivrom|pre> Test
Jul 27 21:10:20 <Tibfib> move a command menu up.. but palm codes bottom:0px directly into the div instead of just leaving it up to the class
Jul 27 21:10:42 <MetaView> btw, why would you want to move the div?
Jul 27 21:10:57 <MetaView> r/div/command menu
Jul 27 21:11:17 <Tibfib> I have my own menu bar. I want the command menu to be above it
Jul 27 21:11:26 <Tibfib> http://img.ly/1LLP
Jul 27 21:11:29 <Tibfib> just for one scene
Jul 27 21:11:31 <MetaView> doesn't it look terrible?
Jul 27 21:11:34 <Chriswebos> could you make an object that simply floats near the bottom?
Jul 27 21:11:51 <Tibfib> I could make my own widgets, but I'd rather just move the command menu up
Jul 27 21:11:53 <Chriswebos> I've seen it on webpages...trying to get you to sign up
Jul 27 21:11:58 <Tibfib> MetaView: Idk, I haven't gotten it to work yet :P
Jul 27 21:12:24 <MetaView> wouldn't think a command menu fits into the design at all
Jul 27 21:12:32 <Nyceane> dkirker, thanks =)
Jul 27 21:12:53 <Tibfib> MetaView: then what do you suggest for a button to add a contact? and add a group?
Jul 27 21:13:26 <Anivrom|pre> A popup list?
Jul 27 21:13:44 <MetaView> tap on the name and you get the add contact
Jul 27 21:13:45 <Tibfib> what would you click on to get to the popup list?
Jul 27 21:13:48 <dkirker> Tibfib: Move the chat and list toggles back to the top menu, and then you have room for add contact and add group in the bottom menu.
Jul 27 21:13:57 <MetaView> and to add a new contact you go through the main menu
Jul 27 21:14:03 <Anivrom|pre> The same icon you have now at the bottom
Jul 27 21:14:19 <MetaView> dkirker +1
Jul 27 21:14:21 <Chriswebos> Tibfib: thank you for the info...it worked
Jul 27 21:14:39 <MetaView> usually you only decide once between chat or list
Jul 27 21:14:47 <MetaView> you wouldn't change it so often
Jul 27 21:14:58 <Tibfib> dkirker: hmm. but then the toggles are a lot harder to reach
Jul 27 21:15:11 <dkirker> How so?
Jul 27 21:15:22 <Tibfib> they are in order: conversations, rooms, friends, new/compose, my account
Jul 27 21:15:28 <Tibfib> dkirker: you mean the bar?
Jul 27 21:15:46 <Tibfib> All would be used fairly regularly
Jul 27 21:15:54 <MetaView> my account?
Jul 27 21:16:01 <MetaView> why should I use it often?
Jul 27 21:16:07 <Tibfib> well except that one
Jul 27 21:16:11 <Tibfib> but you update your status there
Jul 27 21:16:15 <MetaView> or make a submenu when you press the most left icon
Jul 27 21:16:38 <dkirker> Tibfib: think of the toggles like filing folder tabs.
Jul 27 21:16:41 <MetaView> make a small arrow and when you tap there a new menu opens with some more options
Jul 27 21:17:04 <sugardave> Tibfib: you can get all the divs then loop until you find it with hasClassName or some other prototype magic
Jul 27 21:17:26 <dkirker> Have the top menu be things that apply to all views, or change views, and the bottom menu things that apply to the current view.
Jul 27 21:18:02 <Tibfib> sugardave: hrrm.. That's what I was afraid of. I don't think moving the command menu will be the best option
Jul 27 21:18:11 <sugardave> yeah, sounds like not
Jul 27 21:19:02 <Tibfib> dkirker: right now I have the opposite going... local scene at top, everything at bototm
Jul 27 21:19:03 <Tibfib> http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/contacts.png
Jul 27 21:19:30 <dkirker> that works too
Jul 27 21:20:02 <dkirker> what does the "i" do?
Jul 27 21:20:11 <Tibfib> that's the my account one... I need a better icon
Jul 27 21:20:29 <Tibfib> I could do multiple people for contacts, single person for my account or something
Jul 27 21:20:36 <Anivrom|pre> Internalz 1.2 is sweet. Built in ipk installer. Just click in a link and it opens internalz and downloads/installs it
Jul 27 21:20:49 <dkirker> How frequent is that used? Maybe that could be an app menu item?
Jul 27 21:21:04 <Tibfib> you update your status from it
Jul 27 21:21:09 <dkirker> hmmm
Jul 27 21:21:17 <Tibfib> although that doesn't really fit
Jul 27 21:21:29 <sugardave> Tibfib: also, FYI....you could override it in CSS if it's got some other attribute that is unique besides name or id
Jul 27 21:21:35 <dkirker> Yeah. I was going to say. I hate how Mundu has you do that.
Jul 27 21:22:13 <Tibfib> sugardave: even if palm put style='bottom: 0px' in the html?
Jul 27 21:22:17 <sugardave> yep
Jul 27 21:22:21 <sugardave> !important
Jul 27 21:22:39 <sugardave> is supposed to override inline styles
Jul 27 21:22:46 <Tibfib> oh, nice
Jul 27 21:22:57 <Anivrom|pre> Didn't seem to work for me sugardave
Jul 27 21:23:05 <sugardave> Anivrom|pre: you're doing it wrong
Jul 27 21:23:06 <dkirker> Tibfib: If you are willing to do the work, you can also make the bottom bar horizontally scrollable. :) (Though I would still discourage from this.)
Jul 27 21:23:07 <sugardave> :P
Jul 27 21:23:16 <Anivrom|pre> El oh el? Cute
Jul 27 21:23:19 <Tibfib> dkirker: there will be a button at the top by "Mojo Messenger" to update status
Jul 27 21:23:30 <dkirker> that works!
Jul 27 21:23:34 <MetaView> a submenu in the bottom bar is still the best in my opinion
Jul 27 21:23:51 <Tibfib> MetaView: while I agree that is a good option, it could be confusing to new users
Jul 27 21:23:58 <MetaView> why?
Jul 27 21:24:01 <dkirker> I don't really like seeing submenus used. Too many taps.
Jul 27 21:24:04 <Anivrom|pre> That wouldn't be difficult at all dkirker
Jul 27 21:24:05 <Tibfib> oh, wait. let me thing
Jul 27 21:24:07 <Tibfib> think*
Jul 27 21:24:10 <MetaView> is what you are used from desktop office apps
Jul 27 21:24:21 <Tibfib> MetaView: not gonna do submenu
Jul 27 21:24:22 <MetaView> and you could repeat them inside the main app menu
Jul 27 21:24:53 <Tibfib> the goal is to eliminate taps
Jul 27 21:25:00 <MetaView> dkirker: everything you call using the app menu is a lot more taps
Jul 27 21:25:09 <MetaView> a submenu is just one tap more
Jul 27 21:25:18 <MetaView> tap, tap and you have what you want
Jul 27 21:25:29 <dkirker> Yes, which is why un-important things go in menus. I just think that submenus clutter things.
Jul 27 21:25:42 <Tibfib> MetaView: I use submenus for other things
Jul 27 21:26:05 <Tibfib> what if I... just a sec
Jul 27 21:26:10 <MetaView> but somethimes you have more things to add in a fast access then the 5 which fits the bottm
Jul 27 21:26:16 <Anivrom|pre> One tap more does get annoying though
Jul 27 21:26:21 <dkirker> yeah
Jul 27 21:27:00 <Anivrom|pre> In an age of instant gratification
Jul 27 21:27:02 <Anivrom|pre> :P
Jul 27 21:27:26 <Tibfib> I only have 5 things...maybe 4 important
Jul 27 21:27:36 <Tibfib> I could fit 6 easy
Jul 27 21:28:03 <dkirker> some actions might be worth condensing. For instance, though, you could have an icon with a "group of people" and a plus (I am not sure that is the best icon), tapping it could bring up a dialog with "new contact" and "new group" options.
Jul 27 21:28:12 <dkirker> I suppose that wouldn't be that bad.
Jul 27 21:28:37 <MetaView> dkirker: now you add even more taps...
Jul 27 21:28:41 <dawm> just make a button with the windows logo on it
Jul 27 21:28:48 <dawm> and then branch it out to many many submenus
Jul 27 21:28:49 <Tibfib> dkirker: not on the main page
Jul 27 21:28:53 <Tibfib> it's not THAT important
Jul 27 21:28:56 <dkirker> MetaView: two. tap icon, tap button.
Jul 27 21:29:01 <Tibfib> dawm: I like your thinking
Jul 27 21:29:08 <Tibfib> dkirker: that's how it used to work
Jul 27 21:29:10 <MetaView> but this is the same with submenus
Jul 27 21:29:21 <Anivrom|pre> Or better yet have it popuo
Jul 27 21:29:25 <MetaView> tap icon, tap menuitem
Jul 27 21:29:27 <Tibfib> dkirker: I'm jsut trying to figure out where to put the button :D
Jul 27 21:29:36 <dkirker> MetaView: Yeah. I still don't like it. It could be done, I suppose.
Jul 27 21:29:48 <dawm> what about keyboard shortcut, then its just 1 button
Jul 27 21:30:03 <MetaView> + getting the keyboard out...
Jul 27 21:30:08 <dkirker> Tibfib: So, what does the chat bubble with the plus do on the contacts page?
Jul 27 21:30:16 <Anivrom|pre> Popup with a console, and they have to navigate the menus by typing in each submenu manually.. One .. By...one
Jul 27 21:30:17 <Tibfib> dawm: it'll be there... but it can't be the only option.
Jul 27 21:30:34 <Tibfib> dkirker: take you to the compose page
Jul 27 21:30:34 <dawm> a power user would use the kb
Jul 27 21:30:41 <dawm> the average user wouldnt mind a few taps
Jul 27 21:31:07 <dawm> ill brb.. im about to explode
Jul 27 21:31:53 <dkirker> Tibfib: If you want, I can sit down for a few nights and play with it and see what UX bother me.
Jul 27 21:32:37 <MetaView> palm's app submit page stucks...
Jul 27 21:32:51 <Anivrom|pre> Sucks too
Jul 27 21:33:08 <Tibfib> how bout this: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/contactsbar.png
Jul 27 21:33:17 <Tibfib> (except not looking like crap)
Jul 27 21:33:25 <Tibfib> that's where the new contact button and new group button will go
Jul 27 21:34:03 <Anivrom|pre> Looks good. Unobtrusive
Jul 27 21:34:10 <MetaView> hm, I still like a normal submenu more
Jul 27 21:35:30 <dkirker> Tibfib: I think that it looks somewhat good. I think a different color might flow a little better. I'll give you my full opinion once it has settled.
Jul 27 21:35:52 <dkirker> Still not sure about my "different color" suggestion.
Jul 27 21:36:02 <Anivrom|pre> Be on in a bit guys. WebOS keeps barking at me aout device temp being too high. dno doubt from the 30 celcius weather and wIRC
Jul 27 21:36:03 <Tibfib> yeah, should it be the exact same as the menu-bar?
Jul 27 21:36:25 <Tibfib> with rounded corners probably
Jul 27 21:37:14 <dkirker> hmmm, it just feels like there are two different themes here, that kind of don't jive with each other. :/
Jul 27 21:37:59 <Tibfib> dkirker: should I change the header?
Jul 27 21:38:08 <dkirker> hmmm
Jul 27 21:38:16 <Tibfib> I could make it the same as the footer
Jul 27 21:38:34 <Tibfib> such as: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/myaccount.png
Jul 27 21:39:32 <dkirker> I think that looks a bit better, and it would look better with that other bar on top of the footer.
Jul 27 21:39:59 <Tibfib> yeah, just a double menu-bar
Jul 27 21:40:09 <dkirker> You might even be able to make that bar be just a short one, too, if it only has a couple of icons.
Jul 27 21:40:51 <MetaView> "We cannot save your app submission at this time. Palm has been notified. Please try submitting your app later." Hm, ok
Jul 27 21:40:56 <MetaView> g'night then
Jul 27 21:41:21 <dkirker> gute nacht, MetaView
Jul 27 21:41:55 <Tibfib> night MetaView
Jul 27 21:41:57 <Tibfib> thanks for your help
Jul 27 21:43:11 <haeffb> Tibfib: have you considered Palm's facebook app style menu?
Jul 27 21:43:21 <Tibfib> haeffb: too many clicks
Jul 27 21:43:39 <haeffb> what?
Jul 27 21:43:48 <Tibfib> you have to tap the menu, then tap hte bar
Jul 27 21:44:14 <Tibfib> the item*
Jul 27 21:44:21 <haeffb> isn't that what you're doing now....adding buttons?
Jul 27 21:44:45 <Tibfib> it takes 1 tap to get to any main page in the app
Jul 27 21:45:08 <haeffb> no, I mean for your +contact and +group
Jul 27 21:45:18 <Tibfib> oh
Jul 27 21:45:20 <Tibfib> okay
Jul 27 21:45:46 <haeffb> just use whatever they did...looks like a customized submenu
Jul 27 21:45:54 <Tibfib> yeah, thought about it... but it would be tough with my limited graphic sckills
Jul 27 21:45:58 <Tibfib> skills*
Jul 27 21:46:40 <Tibfib> haeffb: but I already have my contacts/groups header
Jul 27 21:47:01 <haeffb> turn facebook upside down & do that.
Jul 27 21:47:18 <Tibfib> haeffb: that's what I'm looking at now
Jul 27 21:47:27 <haeffb> okey
Jul 27 21:47:31 <Tibfib> http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/contactsbar.png
Jul 27 21:47:33 <Tibfib> like that
Jul 27 21:47:36 <Tibfib> except not crappy
Jul 27 21:48:03 <dkirker> yeah, what haeffb was explaining is kinda like what I was thinking
Jul 27 21:48:20 <haeffb> " turn facebook upside down & do that."
Jul 27 21:48:26 <haeffb> not much of an explanation... :)
Jul 27 21:48:28 <dkirker> lol
Jul 27 21:48:46 <dkirker> no, but it makes for some pretty bizarre mental images... o_O
Jul 27 21:49:03 <dkirker> I need to go to CSS school... :/
Jul 27 21:49:16 <Nyceane> oh, btw, so hp isn't gona make any windows phone anymore
Jul 27 21:49:22 <Nyceane> who is gona make windows phone then? HTC? =-|
Jul 27 21:49:32 <Tibfib> Nyceane: who cares?
Jul 27 21:49:46 <jim_dandy> hey all, i'm new to mobile dev't; can I pretty much follow the pdk docs when using the widk?
Jul 27 21:49:51 <Nyceane> Tibfib, was just wondering...
Jul 27 21:50:00 <Tibfib> just kidding, if palm doesn't announce a new device by the time that dell lightning comes out... I may switch
Jul 27 21:50:37 <Tibfib> pre form factor ftw
Jul 27 21:50:43 <Nyceane> Tibfib, that's what I was gona ask next, HP annouced they are not gona make any windows phones, at the same time they didnt annouce they are gona make any more phones
Jul 27 21:50:47 <basm> def need new hardware!!
Jul 27 21:50:49 <Nyceane> its like -_-
Jul 27 21:50:56 <Tibfib> Nyceane: they are totally making new phones
Jul 27 21:51:03 <Tibfib> they've said countless times
Jul 27 21:51:10 <Nyceane> Tibfib, nothing official yet tho, no prototype, model
Jul 27 21:51:20 <Nyceane> no news press, etc, maybe chuqui knows
Jul 27 21:51:28 <Tibfib> Palm is good with leaks
Jul 27 21:51:39 <basm> well they need to leak lol
Jul 27 21:51:44 <Tibfib> yeah
Jul 27 21:52:00 <chuqui> I know. Can I say? nope....
Jul 27 21:52:02 <Tibfib> Palm: if you could direct me to your favorite bar?
Jul 27 21:52:06 <Tibfib> YOU KNOWQ!!!!
Jul 27 21:52:13 <chuqui> well, some stuff.
Jul 27 21:52:16 <Tibfib> nice
Jul 27 21:52:22 <Tibfib> I'd ask more but I know you won't answer
Jul 27 21:52:31 <Nyceane> lol =)
Jul 27 21:52:32 <chuqui> there's stuff they don't tell me, too, because they don't trust me.
Jul 27 21:52:33 <Nyceane> true
Jul 27 21:52:51 <Nyceane> I trust you chuqui, I trust you =)
Jul 27 21:53:01 <chuqui> I know. that's why THEY don't trust me.
Jul 27 21:53:08 <haeffb> chuqui: is portal broken?
Jul 27 21:53:14 <Tibfib> hah
Jul 27 21:53:15 <chuqui> not to my knowledge.
Jul 27 21:53:24 <Nyceane> chuqui, should I be start buying hp stocks? =)
Jul 27 21:53:47 <chuqui> you don't want me as a financial advisor
Jul 27 21:53:53 <Nyceane> lol
Jul 27 21:54:05 <dkirker> chuqui: Yes, but Palm (pre-HP) was more trusting than Apple.
Jul 27 21:54:15 <dkirker> Not sure if that has changed.
Jul 27 21:54:26 <chuqui> Palm (post-HP) hasn't changed that I've noticed. Nor do I expect it to any time soon.
Jul 27 21:54:36 <dkirker> Awesome!
Jul 27 21:54:36 <dekan> Awesome is http://digitalpowers.com
Jul 27 21:54:36 <Nyceane> nobody got laid off?
Jul 27 21:54:43 <Tibfib> hahaahah
Jul 27 21:54:45 <Tibfib> botsnack
Jul 27 21:54:45 * dekan nom nom nom
Jul 27 21:54:48 <Nyceane> in fact, are there more people being hired? =)
Jul 27 21:55:31 <chuqui> there were a few layoffs, normal in an acquisition. Not in engineering. HR, marketing type stuff.
Jul 27 21:55:38 <chuqui> We are hiring, definitely.
Jul 27 21:55:49 <Tibfib> chuqui: I'm hoping to intern next summer
Jul 27 21:55:55 <Nyceane> good heh =)
Jul 27 21:56:25 <dkirker> Tibfib: Hey, me too! I'm hoping to be back. :)
Jul 27 21:56:41 <Tibfib> dkirker: hah. I just need a place to stay. which is kind of a big deal
Jul 27 21:56:50 <Tibfib> well and the job
Jul 27 21:57:22 <dkirker> Tibfib: They should have corporate housing. They did last summer (got my own apt!), and I am pretty sure they had just as much this summer.
Jul 27 21:57:29 <rwhitby> morning
Jul 27 21:57:35 <Tibfib> dkirker: whoa really?
Jul 27 21:57:42 <dkirker> 'morning rwhitby!
Jul 27 21:57:45 <chuqui> hmm. my textwrangler has stopped working. I wonder why.
Jul 27 21:57:50 <Tibfib> that's awesome. that may make interning possible
Jul 27 21:57:58 <chuqui> hey, rwhitby good morning!
Jul 27 21:58:22 <rwhitby> hey chuqui, hey dkirker
Jul 27 21:58:29 <b3ll> aloha
Jul 27 21:58:30 <chuqui> ah. that's why. It wanted to open a 30 meg SQL dump. bad text editor. No cookie.
Jul 27 21:58:32 <dkirker> Tibfib: Totally go for it!
Jul 27 21:58:38 <dkirker> chuqui: lol
Jul 27 21:58:43 <Tibfib> rwhitby: howdy
Jul 27 21:58:53 <Nyceane> hi rwhitby
Jul 27 21:58:56 <Tibfib> chuqui: hah, cleaning out reviews? :)
Jul 27 21:58:58 <b3ll> hey rwhitby
Jul 27 21:59:07 <b3ll> hey Nyceane, Tibfib :P
Jul 27 21:59:17 <Tibfib> say hi b3ll
Jul 27 21:59:17 <dekan> Hi b3ll!
Jul 27 21:59:20 <Nyceane> hi b3ll
Jul 27 21:59:22 <dkirker> hi b3ll
Jul 27 21:59:30 <b3ll> yay fans :D
Jul 27 21:59:48 <dkirker> lol
Jul 27 22:00:01 <Nyceane> :)
Jul 27 22:00:07 <Nyceane> hi Nyceane
Jul 27 22:00:09 <chuqui> tibfib well, yeah, that's waht that file was.
Jul 27 22:01:32 <Tibfib> dkirker: I definitely will. it'll be tough as a (then) 17 year old, but maybe things will work out
Jul 27 22:02:24 <dkirker> Tibfib: Worth a shot. Sell yourself when you write up a resume. :) Mojo Messenger will probably benefit you.
Jul 27 22:02:38 * rwhitby always imagined Tibfib as older
Jul 27 22:02:41 <Nyceane> lol
Jul 27 22:02:48 <Nyceane> me too
Jul 27 22:02:49 <Nyceane> =)
Jul 27 22:03:20 <Tibfib> hah, not the first time I've heard that
Jul 27 22:03:30 <Tibfib> new facebook beta update is slllllick
Jul 27 22:03:58 <Tibfib> dangit. still can't see who liked something though
Jul 27 22:04:05 <rwhitby> Tibfib: it's probably your avatar at P|C
Jul 27 22:04:23 <dkirker> chuqui: Is Cynthia Collins still at Palm?
Jul 27 22:04:42 <Nyceane> Tibfib, you'll do very very well when you get to our age =0
Jul 27 22:04:48 <chuqui> dkirker I don't know.
Jul 27 22:04:56 <dkirker> I hope that she is.
Jul 27 22:05:38 <Tibfib> Nyceane: thanks, I hope so
Jul 27 22:06:10 <Nyceane> you will =)
Jul 27 22:06:11 <dkirker> Or when you get to my age (not sure what Nyceane's age is). :)
Jul 27 22:06:25 <Nyceane> i m 26
Jul 27 22:06:30 <b3ll> 18 here
Jul 27 22:06:32 <dkirker> 22 here
Jul 27 22:06:58 <Nyceane> wow guys, you guys are all overachievers for your age heh
Jul 27 22:07:03 <dkirker> :D
Jul 27 22:07:08 <Nyceane> good job =)
Jul 27 22:07:13 <b3ll> gotta start young :)
Jul 27 22:07:19 <Nyceane> :)
Jul 27 22:07:24 <Anivrom> hey bell
Jul 27 22:07:38 <Nyceane> hi anivrom
Jul 27 22:07:39 * sugardave is majorly depressed now.
Jul 27 22:07:48 <Nyceane> hi sugardave =0
Jul 27 22:07:50 <b3ll> :(
Jul 27 22:07:52 <Anivrom> nyceane, how close are ytou to #1?
Jul 27 22:07:52 <Nyceane> what's up
Jul 27 22:07:55 <b3ll> hey Anivrom
Jul 27 22:07:58 <sugardave> age/cunning > youth/beauty and all that
Jul 27 22:07:59 <Nyceane> like 35 votes
Jul 27 22:08:04 <b3ll> :/
Jul 27 22:08:08 <b3ll> MOAR VOTES
Jul 27 22:08:13 <b3ll> Nyceane start sending out death threats
Jul 27 22:08:25 <Anivrom> to random ppl in the phonebook! :P
Jul 27 22:08:25 <Nyceane> http://www.njit.edu/news/2010/2010-263.php
Jul 27 22:08:31 <Nyceane> i m on my school's news feed now
Jul 27 22:08:38 <b3ll> nice!
Jul 27 22:08:39 <dkirker> sugardave: bah! No need to be depressed. :)
Jul 27 22:08:53 <Nyceane> and my board advisor emailed all the students, hopefully that helps
Jul 27 22:08:54 <Anivrom> why are you depressed sugardave?
Jul 27 22:09:03 <sugardave> I'm not, just old
Jul 27 22:09:08 <Anivrom> meh
Jul 27 22:09:14 <Nyceane> sugardave, but you look young
Jul 27 22:09:25 <Nyceane> so girls still like you, that's what counts =)
Jul 27 22:09:40 <sugardave> that's okay, I'm married, too
Jul 27 22:09:43 <sugardave> old and married
Jul 27 22:09:46 <sugardave> that's me
Jul 27 22:09:52 <sugardave> :P
Jul 27 22:09:53 <Anivrom> Married = awesome
Jul 27 22:10:00 <dkirker> sugardave: I can't see you being more than 32 years old.
Jul 27 22:10:04 <Anivrom> I love being married
Jul 27 22:10:28 <sugardave> dkirker: I'll take that
Jul 27 22:10:30 <Nyceane> hey, at least you dont have to worry about sleeping alone now =)
Jul 27 22:10:50 * sugardave was born way back in 1972.
Jul 27 22:10:52 <Nyceane> and having sex whenever you want isn't bad at all =-|
Jul 27 22:10:59 <sugardave> before Atari 2600s
Jul 27 22:11:08 <Anivrom> nyceane: yea that's definately a plus :P
Jul 27 22:11:21 <sugardave> Nyceane: you've been misled about the "whenever you want" part ;)
Jul 27 22:11:27 <Anivrom> rofl
Jul 27 22:11:38 <Anivrom> This is true as well
Jul 27 22:11:53 <Nyceane> duno, my girlfriend does it whenever i want
Jul 27 22:12:03 <Anivrom> That would change if you got married
Jul 27 22:12:07 <sugardave> that's because she wants to get married
Jul 27 22:13:10 <dkirker> you guys are funny
Jul 27 22:13:19 <Anivrom> And sooner or later that is gonna blow up on you nyceane, she may not actually want to, but is building up all these emotions until BOOM: the boiler exploders
Jul 27 22:13:29 <Nyceane> duno, she enjoys it =_=
Jul 27 22:13:36 <Nyceane> at least good at faking enjoying it
Jul 27 22:13:45 <sugardave> they all are
Jul 27 22:13:49 <Nyceane> lol
Jul 27 22:13:50 <Anivrom> A women who is a sex addict is rare.
Jul 27 22:13:54 <sugardave> it's in their genes or something
Jul 27 22:14:03 <sugardave> the howlers got to succeed
Jul 27 22:14:32 <Anivrom> My wife doesn't fake it, if she's not feeling good I can tell, and she lets me know
Jul 27 22:14:35 <b3ll> Anivrom : @KaatjeNL is :P
Jul 27 22:14:47 <Anivrom> b3ll: rare
Jul 27 22:14:48 <b3ll> mind you she's lesbian
Jul 27 22:14:53 <Anivrom> oh there you go
Jul 27 22:14:57 <b3ll> loool
Jul 27 22:15:03 <Nyceane> even better =)
Jul 27 22:15:24 <sugardave> I love lesbians, but they don't love me
Jul 27 22:15:31 <b3ll> WOOO inertia scrolling on macbooks now :D
Jul 27 22:15:31 <Anivrom> actually, lesbians are teh best fakers. They seem to feel the need to uphold some sort of image therefore they try extra hard
Jul 27 22:23:55 <halfhalo> ffffff
Jul 27 22:24:02 <halfhalo> dads kindle broke
Jul 27 22:24:16 <swishy> halfhalo: literally?
Jul 27 22:24:23 <halfhalo> yup
Jul 27 22:24:29 <swishy> hehe
Jul 27 22:24:35 <halfhalo> center navigation button died
Jul 27 22:24:51 <swishy> ah handy
Jul 27 22:24:59 <halfhalo> so now he's using my brothers and my brother is using mine
Jul 27 22:25:17 <halfhalo> and I'm using the ipad
Jul 27 22:26:38 <Nyceane> hi swishy =D
Jul 27 22:26:50 <Nyceane> and roy-pre101, havn't seen you for a while, roy
Jul 27 22:29:16 <torchie> speaking of lesbians
Jul 27 22:29:21 <torchie> I was at the DMV today
Jul 27 22:29:24 <torchie> and it was so crazy
Jul 27 22:29:37 <torchie> there were two but they looked like bros
Jul 27 22:32:49 <b3ll> LOL
Jul 27 22:32:55 <b3ll> bros before hoes?
Jul 27 22:33:15 <b3ll> halfhalo : why not make a software button?
Jul 27 22:33:29 <halfhalo> effort!
Jul 27 22:33:45 <b3ll> U CAN DO IT
Jul 27 22:34:18 <halfhalo> I can, butbeffort
Jul 27 22:34:26 <b3ll> then ill take it :)
Jul 27 22:34:37 <halfhalo> no
Jul 27 22:34:39 <halfhalo> nein
Jul 27 22:34:40 <halfhalo> niet
Jul 27 22:34:43 <halfhalo> nunca
Jul 27 22:34:47 <b3ll> kurwa?
Jul 27 22:34:48 <halfhalo> no
Jul 27 22:34:53 <b3ll> ;)
Jul 27 22:41:28 * Tibfib pokes dekan
Jul 27 22:41:28 <dekan> BUUUUURRRRRPPPP!
Jul 27 22:47:09 <Nyceane> all quiet now after I got my coffee =D
Jul 27 22:47:27 <Anivrom> mhmm
Jul 27 22:47:43 <Anivrom> I'm gonna be off for a bit I think, wife just got home :P
Jul 27 22:47:51 <b3ll> noooooooo
Jul 27 22:47:55 <b3ll> zzzz
Jul 27 22:48:10 <Nyceane> get a hot secetary
Jul 27 22:48:38 <Anivrom> Why would I, I have a hot wife
Jul 27 22:48:41 <b3ll> for me
Jul 27 22:48:54 <Nyceane> for me as well =)
Jul 27 22:51:33 <b3ll> Nyceane : opinion needed, http://snapplr.com/dxaj out of 10 plz
Jul 27 22:52:43 <Nyceane> shes cute, i give a 7.5, possibly 8 or even 9 if the picture was taken professionally =)
Jul 27 22:53:23 <b3ll> okay good :D
Jul 27 22:53:36 <b3ll> the camera on the pre is fking amazing
Jul 27 22:54:20 <b3ll> i want to hack a 12mp one into it :D
Jul 27 22:55:17 <torchie> but I thought the camera was amazing
Jul 27 22:55:29 <b3ll> it is :P
Jul 27 22:55:37 <b3ll> just 720p video would be even more amazing
Jul 27 22:58:27 <Roy-Pre101> Nyceane: Howdy.
Jul 27 23:00:24 <Nyceane> Roy-Pre101, long time no see =)
Jul 27 23:00:35 <Roy-Pre101> Laptop was dead for a week. :P
Jul 27 23:00:42 <Nyceane> can you do me a quick favor?
Jul 27 23:00:44 <Roy-Pre101> And I've been low-activity here.
Jul 27 23:00:50 <Nyceane> I know
Jul 27 23:01:00 <Nyceane> been trying to get that a quick favor from you for a while =)
Jul 27 23:01:40 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Jul 27 23:01:43 <Roy-Pre101> Ask away.
Jul 27 23:02:14 <Nyceane> http://www.appsforhealthykids.com/application-gallery/earn-the-stars
Jul 27 23:02:33 <Nyceane> I built this app for a contest thats sponsored by michelle obama, winning it gets to go to white house
Jul 27 23:02:41 <Nyceane> and get honored by michelle obama
Jul 27 23:02:50 <Nyceane> i was wondering if you can cast a vote and get everybody else to vote for it =)
Jul 27 23:06:27 <deliciousmorsel> Nyceane: you need to stop with the self promotion
Jul 27 23:06:37 <Anivrom> ...
Jul 27 23:06:38 <deliciousmorsel> like 4 days in a row
Jul 27 23:06:42 <deliciousmorsel> thats all i ever see in the channel
Jul 27 23:06:51 <Anivrom> why not rally your friends together for your cause?
Jul 27 23:06:58 <deliciousmorsel> 4 days
Jul 27 23:07:06 <deliciousmorsel> everytime i look in the channel
Jul 27 23:07:09 <deliciousmorsel> thats all thats been said
Jul 27 23:07:12 <Anivrom> he wants to get all his friends on board
Jul 27 23:07:17 <deliciousmorsel> well send them a PM
Jul 27 23:07:29 <Anivrom> that's a legitimate option
Jul 27 23:07:29 <deliciousmorsel> i'm go grep the logs
Jul 27 23:08:36 <deliciousmorsel> 6 times so far today
Jul 27 23:08:53 <deliciousmorsel> 24th
Jul 27 23:08:56 <deliciousmorsel> had 1
Jul 27 23:09:05 <deliciousmorsel> 3 on teh 23rd
Jul 27 23:09:13 <deliciousmorsel> 1 on the 22nd
Jul 27 23:09:27 <deliciousmorsel> 3 on the 21st
Jul 27 23:09:43 <deliciousmorsel> so i overreacted…. but still
Jul 27 23:10:01 <Anivrom> I don't mind so much.
Jul 27 23:10:05 <Anivrom> Guess to each his own
Jul 27 23:16:02 <dawm|laptop> moo
Jul 27 23:16:11 <Anivrom> get back in the barn!
Jul 27 23:16:29 <Nyceane> deliciousmorsel, i think everybody here have already voted, at least the active ones heh
Jul 27 23:16:54 <Nyceane> now I have to figure out how to build a pdk app =-|
Jul 27 23:31:51 <dawm|laptop> wait
Jul 27 23:31:58 <dawm|laptop> so since 1.4.5 pdk apps are 'jailed'
Jul 27 23:32:01 <haeffb> .........
Jul 27 23:32:05 <dawm|laptop> can we now jailbreak our apps?
Jul 27 23:32:12 <Anivrom> -_-
Jul 27 23:32:15 <haeffb> ....ooooohhh.......
Jul 27 23:33:08 <sebastianha>  If I change my password at the "manage my device" homepage, do I need to relogin on my device? (followed by the full erase)
Jul 27 23:33:37 <dawm|laptop> im not sure
Jul 27 23:34:07 <dawm|laptop> obviously youll need your new pw for app cat purchases
Jul 27 23:34:18 <dawm|laptop> a quick thing to check, see if you can manually invoke a backup
Jul 27 23:34:37 <dawm|laptop> that would tell you if you need to relogin
Jul 27 23:34:48 <sebastianha> mmh
Jul 27 23:35:09 <dawm|laptop> if you can manually do a backup from the backup app, i wouldnt worry
Jul 27 23:35:33 <dawm|laptop> infact maybe if the the backup doesnt work due to wrong pw it will prompt you to enter the correct one?
Jul 27 23:35:53 <sebastianha> that are all the question I asked myself :)
Jul 27 23:36:03 <dawm|laptop> heh
Jul 27 23:36:12 <sebastianha> last time I created an account with the same phonenumber my first account got logged off.
Jul 27 23:36:30 <sebastianha> That was hard enough because the backup was not complete
Jul 27 23:37:11 <dawm|laptop> when i say manual backup im talking about opening the backup app and tapping 'backup now'
Jul 27 23:37:46 <sebastianha> I know
Jul 27 23:37:49 <torchie> is the leaderboard retooled yet
Jul 27 23:37:57 <dohtem> can I install beta apps on my dev phone?
Jul 27 23:38:02 <dawm|laptop> torchie: the palm stale apps leaderboard?
Jul 27 23:38:12 <torchie> yeah
Jul 27 23:38:15 <dawm|laptop> dunno
Jul 27 23:38:24 <dawm|laptop> i dont have 1.4.5 so i dunt care
Jul 27 23:38:25 <torchie> they said they've been retooling since before the 15th
Jul 27 23:39:39 <dawm|laptop> lol
Jul 27 23:39:45 <dawm|laptop> 'can we disagree to disagree'
Jul 27 23:39:52 <dawm|laptop> i dont think anyone on stage caught that
Jul 27 23:40:04 <dawm|laptop> she obviously meant can we agree to disagree'
Jul 27 23:40:35 <dawm|laptop> @aots
Jul 27 23:40:46 <dohtem> are you watching the CA debate?
Jul 27 23:40:55 <dawm|laptop> no attack of the show
Jul 27 23:41:25 <dohtem> ah
Jul 27 23:41:38 <haeffb> "No. I refuse to disagree with you!"
Jul 27 23:41:57 <dawm|laptop> heh they agreed to disagree to disagree
Jul 27 23:45:37 <dawm|laptop> yep thats what she said.. dvr cofirmed it
Jul 27 23:48:58 <dohtem> no one uses #palmdev on twitter anymore.
Jul 27 23:50:32 <HattCzech_work> until tomorrow...
Jul 27 23:50:33 <HattCzech_work> adios
Jul 27 23:50:36 <Anivrom> cya
Jul 27 23:51:58 <Anivrom> Ok guys so who wants to develop minigames for my game? :P
Jul 27 23:57:52 <dawm|laptop> lol
Jul 28 00:00:21 <Tigrao> Any word at all on the US release of 1.4.5?
Jul 28 00:01:57 <dawm|laptop> Tigrao: nope
Jul 28 00:02:04 <torchie> 1.4.5
Jul 28 00:02:09 <torchie> ;(
Jul 28 00:02:15 <torchie> leaderboard
Jul 28 00:02:20 <sugardave> Anivrom: I will...it will be called "click these ads"
Jul 28 00:02:32 <Anivrom> refresh my memory on what you are responding to
Jul 28 00:02:38 <dawm|laptop> minigames
Jul 28 00:02:39 <Anivrom> oh I see
Jul 28 00:02:39 <sugardave> minigames
Jul 28 00:02:40 <Anivrom> Right
Jul 28 00:02:50 <Anivrom> Sure
Jul 28 00:02:58 <Anivrom> if you think that would be a pleasurable end user experience
Jul 28 00:04:01 <Anivrom> I'm thinking simple stuff. well cliché'd ideas that are meant to be played fast since they are minigames and not the main focus
Jul 28 00:04:11 <sugardave> poker
Jul 28 00:04:21 <Anivrom> Suitable for kids to adults
Jul 28 00:04:35 <sugardave> kids play poker all the time
Jul 28 00:04:46 <Anivrom> references?
Jul 28 00:04:50 <Nyceane> not for money
Jul 28 00:05:13 <sugardave> wtf, this isn't wikipedia :P
Jul 28 00:05:53 <sugardave> oh, how about "21"?  my grandfather taught me that when I was 6
Jul 28 00:06:51 <Anivrom> how about "catch the falling items"
Jul 28 00:06:56 <Anivrom> :P
Jul 28 00:07:15 <sugardave> Kaboom style?
Jul 28 00:07:17 <Anivrom> quite possibly the most cliche idea "un"imaginable
Jul 28 00:07:23 <Anivrom> far out fowl/kaboom
Jul 28 00:07:40 <Anivrom> games that you could code in a night
Jul 28 00:07:44 <dawm|laptop> how about a click the button game
Jul 28 00:07:57 <dawm|laptop> sorry.. tap
Jul 28 00:07:59 <sugardave> match 3
Jul 28 00:07:59 <dawm|laptop> tap the button
Jul 28 00:08:00 <Anivrom> But the catch is, the button eats your babies?
Jul 28 00:08:06 <dawm|laptop> no
Jul 28 00:08:09 <Anivrom> oh
Jul 28 00:08:10 <dawm|laptop> its like simon says
Jul 28 00:08:15 <Anivrom> I see yes yes
Jul 28 00:08:17 <dawm|laptop> button will change text and colors
Jul 28 00:08:22 <sugardave> tap the button sounds suspiciously similar to "click these ads" ;)
Jul 28 00:08:24 <Anivrom> excellent. Can you have it ready by tomorrow?
Jul 28 00:08:39 <Anivrom> appreciate it
Jul 28 00:08:42 <dawm|laptop> lol no, im a devout procrastinator
Jul 28 00:08:46 <Anivrom> me too
Jul 28 00:08:47 <sugardave> hahaha
Jul 28 00:08:56 <Anivrom> Slackers Unite!......
Jul 28 00:08:57 <Anivrom> tomorrow
Jul 28 00:09:03 <sugardave> or the next day!
Jul 28 00:09:12 <Anivrom> might get to it next week
Jul 28 00:09:46 <dawm|laptop> i got on multiple mont hiatus
Jul 28 00:09:52 <dawm|laptop> even tho im still in here chitchatting
Jul 28 00:10:18 <dawm|laptop> i wrote prejeweled, won predevcamp and then didnt work on it for 3? months
Jul 28 00:10:49 <sugardave> all I have done officially since last November is write one app for somebody else
Jul 28 00:11:14 <sugardave> unofficially I've helped a bunch of n00bs get apps in the catalog :P
Jul 28 00:11:28 <dawm|laptop> i made the MCR app pretty quickly, prolly one of the quickest and most complete projects ive done
Jul 28 00:12:06 <dawm|laptop> ive best known for abandoning things ;p
Jul 28 00:12:20 <dawm|laptop> in regards to webstuff
Jul 28 00:13:39 <sugardave> node and paypal api are interesting to me at the moment
Jul 28 00:14:12 <dawm|laptop> dohtem: what are you doing
Jul 28 00:14:57 <dohtem> being fantastic!
Jul 28 00:14:59 <dohtem> :)
Jul 28 00:15:04 <dawm|laptop> well stop it
Jul 28 00:15:23 <dawm|laptop> i dont need your 'test' tweets cluttering up my followings
Jul 28 00:15:30 <dohtem> lol
Jul 28 00:15:49 <dawm|laptop> i think i have a name for my next game
Jul 28 00:16:00 <dawm|laptop> but i totally stole it from another developer
Jul 28 00:16:10 <dawm|laptop> that is all i will say
Jul 28 00:16:13 <dohtem> i'm taking them out in a bit.  I had to tweet some old keywords just so I can remove old saved searches
Jul 28 00:16:23 <dawm|laptop> ahh gotcha
Jul 28 00:16:54 <dohtem> this explains it - http://www.twitter.com/adrianh/status/18290963298
Jul 28 00:17:25 <dawm|laptop> twatter is overloaded
Jul 28 00:17:36 <Gu1l7y_work> as usual
Jul 28 00:17:49 <dohtem> i know.. timeouts like crazy
Jul 28 00:19:35 <torchie> twoater is avaladen
Jul 28 00:19:42 <torchie> trangler is angaherdle
Jul 28 00:20:28 <dawm|laptop> ok quickly before it gets deleted
Jul 28 00:20:28 <dawm|laptop> http://twitter.com/dawm/status/19697229113
Jul 28 00:20:45 <dawm|laptop> in 5.. 4.. 3..
Jul 28 00:20:57 <dawm|laptop> 2.. 1...
Jul 28 00:21:53 <dawm|laptop> poof
Jul 28 00:22:05 <dawm|laptop> what the hell..
Jul 28 00:22:14 <dawm|laptop> seriously 10minutes ago twitter was fine
Jul 28 00:23:03 <sugardave> it's all these damn webOS twitter apps....
Jul 28 00:23:10 <dohtem> lmao...
Jul 28 00:23:57 <dawm|laptop> funny thing is.. i havent even started working on my app
Jul 28 00:24:05 <dawm|laptop> :D
Jul 28 00:24:12 <dohtem> using the twitter API?
Jul 28 00:24:38 <dawm|laptop> using a app that lets you test xAuth
Jul 28 00:25:17 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: didn't you say twitter approved your xauth app?
Jul 28 00:25:32 <dawm|laptop> yeh
Jul 28 00:25:42 <sugardave> so, it doesn't have to exist yet?
Jul 28 00:25:51 <dawm|laptop> guess not
Jul 28 00:25:54 <sugardave> cool
Jul 28 00:26:00 <dawm|laptop> i know some people had to send in prelim sshots to get access
Jul 28 00:26:04 <dawm|laptop> i just told em what i was gonna use it for
Jul 28 00:26:27 <dawm|laptop> which is the same thing cloudhopper uses it for
Jul 28 00:26:30 <dawm|laptop> posting highscores
Jul 28 00:26:37 <sugardave> right
Jul 28 00:26:58 <dawm|laptop> but xAuth is awesome cause you dont need to bounce the user to a webpage
Jul 28 00:27:09 <dohtem> speaking of which, almost everyone requires a working website when you ask for their API. :(
Jul 28 00:27:27 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: that is cool...I will have to check it out
Jul 28 00:27:57 <dawm|laptop> ive got a simple script to send a tweet, i just havent tested it yet cause i was waiting for xAuth approval
Jul 28 00:28:20 <dawm|laptop> thats all im doing so i dont really need to use netflix's OAuth.js
Jul 28 00:29:30 <sugardave> I got something from github working for the freelancer api
Jul 28 00:29:30 <dawm|laptop> who would have thought netflix would write a library
Jul 28 00:30:43 <dawm|laptop> totally suckage.. still got 2hrs left on CS5 download.. i cannot let laptop fall asleep
Jul 28 00:31:52 <dawm|laptop> lol a 'stat' they just had on the tv (watching Campus PD).. 75% of freshmen consume alcohol .. i would have guessed higher
Jul 28 00:32:11 <sugardave> 75% admitted it, anyway :D
Jul 28 00:32:24 <dohtem> the others are still in a drunken stupor
Jul 28 00:33:22 <dohtem> so is anyone here playing Starcraft II?
Jul 28 00:33:52 <dawm|laptop> nerd
Jul 28 00:33:56 <sugardave> no
Jul 28 00:34:11 <dawm|laptop> ;p
Jul 28 00:34:14 <dohtem> hey, I not!
Jul 28 00:34:25 * dohtem eyes the floor
Jul 28 00:36:07 <dawm|laptop> lol
Jul 28 00:38:48 <dawm|laptop> soo gamestop bought kongregate.com
Jul 28 00:39:15 <dawm|laptop> and.. on my screen.. kongregate is full of HP ads :P
Jul 28 00:40:02 <dawm|laptop> http://www.kongregate.com/pages/mobile-game-contest
Jul 28 00:40:08 <dawm|laptop> this is why we dont have flash yet..
Jul 28 00:40:25 <dawm|laptop> spending money on game creation contests that only apply to one platform..
Jul 28 00:40:36 <dawm|laptop> might as well call it Android Game Contest
Jul 28 00:41:04 <Nyceane> those contests are really good sometimes
Jul 28 00:41:08 <dawm|laptop> kinda craptacular compared to 'Hot Apps'
Jul 28 00:41:11 <Nyceane> I've only won one and I got to go to TED =D
Jul 28 00:41:17 <dawm|laptop> TED?
Jul 28 00:41:19 <Nyceane> and TED even blogged about me
Jul 28 00:41:24 <Nyceane> http://www.ted.com
Jul 28 00:41:33 <dohtem> wow
Jul 28 00:41:40 <Nyceane> only thing is dedication and time, if the reward is good enough, I'd do it
Jul 28 00:41:42 <dohtem> TED is so pricey
Jul 28 00:41:52 <dohtem> isnt it like $6000 if you can get in
Jul 28 00:41:55 <Nyceane> i m in a contest to go to white house right now, i think everybody in this channel have already voted
Jul 28 00:42:00 <Nyceane> dohtem, yup, I won so =)
Jul 28 00:42:08 <Nyceane> thanks to snaptic and hopelab
Jul 28 00:42:11 <dohtem> the videos are nice tho.
Jul 28 00:42:17 <dawm|laptop> what does ted stand for
Jul 28 00:42:25 <Nyceane> technology, entertainment, design
Jul 28 00:42:29 <dawm|laptop> nvm
Jul 28 00:42:30 <Nyceane> I wish to win one for WWDC
Jul 28 00:43:13 <Nyceane> dohtem, did you vote for my app yet?
Jul 28 00:43:15 <dawm|laptop> i won 400 MS points from the XBOX 1vs100 game (SMS trivia thing)
Jul 28 00:43:21 <Nyceane> I think everybody thats active here already did =-|
Jul 28 00:43:24 <dohtem> I did remember
Jul 28 00:43:36 <Nyceane> yah, you were one of the guys i created account for you to do =)
Jul 28 00:43:46 <dohtem> when you promised you would shout at Rahm Emanuel for me
Jul 28 00:44:37 <Nyceane> yup =)
Jul 28 00:44:37 <rwhitby> anyone able to test the public feed Preware update from 1.1.4 to 1.2.6 ?
Jul 28 00:44:47 <dawm|laptop> i can
Jul 28 00:45:08 <rwhitby> it's live now
Jul 28 00:45:14 <dawm|laptop> updating feeds
Jul 28 00:45:48 <dawm|laptop> updating
Jul 28 00:46:00 <dawm|laptop> holy crap
Jul 28 00:46:03 <dawm|laptop> my phone just blew up
Jul 28 00:46:12 <dawm|laptop> jk
Jul 28 00:46:13 <torchie> WHA
Jul 28 00:46:40 <dawm|laptop> it said it updated
Jul 28 00:46:58 <dawm|laptop> appears to be in working order
Jul 28 00:47:56 <dawm|laptop> does preware assoc to .ipk? what if internalz already has that assoc
Jul 28 00:49:14 <b3ll> woot facebook beta link is fixed
Jul 28 00:49:41 <dawm|laptop> rwhitby: everything appears to be working
Jul 28 00:51:11 <Nyceane> need to go home and work on my apps =-| still at work lol
Jul 28 00:51:19 <dawm|laptop> what are your apps
Jul 28 00:54:56 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: Internalz does a forced association on install.  The next version Preware will politely ask the user.  We were going to do a forced association in this version, but we think that is simply impolite and not in the spirit of interoperability.
Jul 28 00:55:08 <torchie> oh snap
Jul 28 00:55:15 <torchie> nothces on Internalz' bedpost
Jul 28 00:55:18 <dawm|laptop> gotcha
Jul 28 00:55:34 <rwhitby> torchie: notches?
Jul 28 00:55:40 <torchie> notches
Jul 28 00:56:00 <dawm|laptop> i was wondering
Jul 28 00:56:08 <dawm|laptop> cause i see you can only view the USB drive portion
Jul 28 00:56:34 <dawm|laptop> but i couldnt get ipk's to save
Jul 28 00:56:38 <dawm|laptop> via email
Jul 28 00:56:39 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: yes, Preware does not want to be helpful to warez pirates.
Jul 28 00:56:50 <dawm|laptop> oh i totally understand
Jul 28 00:58:20 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: anyway, we know how to change the association on behalf of the user, so we won't need to force the user to do it manually in the Default Applications screen.
Jul 28 00:58:47 <dawm|laptop> how would one install a ipk from an email via preware?
Jul 28 00:58:55 <rwhitby> we intend having a "Preware is not currently handling ipk files in browser and email, would you like us to set that for you?" and a "Remember my choice" setting.
Jul 28 01:00:06 <rwhitby> You can run /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.applicationManager/addResourceHandler '{"appId":"org.webosinternals.preware", "extension":"ipk", "mimeType":"application/vnd.webos.ipk"}' to add Preware to the association list, and then select it in your Default Applications screen.
Jul 28 01:01:04 <rwhitby> We could have easily put that in the post-install script, but that would have not been in the spirit of interoperability and the user's choice being first and foremost.
Jul 28 01:01:31 <dawm|laptop> and it will let me choose between internalz or preware? (no option will become multiple options)
Jul 28 01:01:36 <zsoc> It brings a really cool "Here, install this" flow. It'll be helpful for troubleshooting for other people, heh.
Jul 28 01:01:37 <rwhitby> yes
Jul 28 01:02:01 <dawm|laptop> thanks
Jul 28 01:02:46 <dawm|laptop> hrm
Jul 28 01:02:50 <dawm|laptop> this could be bad
Jul 28 01:03:23 <dawm|laptop> someone could associate weblinks to an evil passthru app which logs each link, or emailaddress or phone numbers
Jul 28 01:08:42 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: you can only change the associations from install scripts or services running as root, not from app catalog mojo apps.
Jul 28 01:09:22 <dawm|laptop> what about homebrew apps
Jul 28 01:09:55 <zsoc> homebrew apps can rm -rf if they want
Jul 28 01:10:00 <rwhitby> Any closed source homebrew (e.g. FileMgr) could already be doing anything like that without you knowing it. You trust the author for closed source stuff. For open source stuff many eyes can read the code.
Jul 28 01:10:51 <rwhitby> That is why I recommend that you only run open source homebrew stuff that has root access.
Jul 28 01:11:19 <dawm|laptop> whats wrong with this picture
Jul 28 01:11:22 <dawm|laptop> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/26/0,1468,i=268056,00.jpg
Jul 28 01:11:36 <rwhitby> And you should demand the authors of any closed source homebrew to release the source code for the services and plugins so that you can be certain that it is not doing anything malicious (either intentionally or unintentionally)
Jul 28 01:12:18 <dohtem> hey, how do you get those circular buttons in the viewMenu?
Jul 28 01:12:18 <b3ll> rwhitby are there any vnc servers for the pre?
Jul 28 01:12:25 <dohtem> in the screenie dawm|laptop posted
Jul 28 01:12:56 <tomlee> keep alive
Jul 28 01:13:04 <dawm|laptop> or die
Jul 28 01:53:55 <Tibfib> should I round the corners of the +contact +group bar? http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/contactsbar-1.png
Jul 28 01:54:32 <Anivrom> Yea
Jul 28 01:54:45 <Tibfib> that's what I was afraid of.
Jul 28 01:54:47 <Anivrom> Might even make it a pill shape liek the header
Jul 28 01:55:04 <Tibfib> header isn't gonna stay a pill
Jul 28 01:55:16 <Tibfib> all headers are gonna look like the footers soon...
Jul 28 01:55:16 <Anivrom> looks good as a pill
Jul 28 01:55:24 <Anivrom> so squared?
Jul 28 01:55:28 <Tibfib> hmmmmmmm
Jul 28 01:55:35 <Tibfib> dangit. I can't decide anymore
Jul 28 01:55:56 <Anivrom> whats the problem with it being round? just change the png
Jul 28 01:56:15 <Tibfib> Anivrom: could you round out the corner for me? I haven't figure out a good way to do it in paint.net
Jul 28 01:56:20 <Anivrom> sure
Jul 28 01:56:25 <Anivrom> send me the original
Jul 28 01:56:35 <Tibfib> email?
Jul 28 01:56:39 <Anivrom> anivrom@gmail.com
Jul 28 01:56:42 <Tibfib> kk
Jul 28 01:57:33 <Anivrom> Tibfib: where did you get the style for the existing design? the black box
Jul 28 01:57:53 <Tibfib> I took it from the menu's... command/view
Jul 28 02:00:57 <Tibfib> Anivrom: sent
Jul 28 02:01:55 <Anivrom> pill or rounded?
Jul 28 02:02:02 <Tibfib> just rounded corners
Jul 28 02:02:04 <Tibfib> top ones
Jul 28 02:02:21 <Tibfib> err... hmm
Jul 28 02:02:31 <Tibfib> round all of em. I can get rid of the ones I don't want :)
Jul 28 02:03:08 <Tibfib> here's the header with a pill: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/palmmyaccount.png ... here's the header with a box: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/myaccount.png
Jul 28 02:03:10 <Anivrom> rounding top ones would look best
Jul 28 02:03:17 <Tibfib> Probably
Jul 28 02:03:30 <Tibfib> I can't decide what to do for my header
Jul 28 02:03:38 <Anivrom> I like rounded.
Jul 28 02:03:52 <dawm|laptop> i agree
Jul 28 02:03:57 <Anivrom> this is mojo messenger and I think it's appropriate to stick with the theme of webos
Jul 28 02:04:09 <Anivrom> just my 2 cents
Jul 28 02:04:13 <dawm|laptop> top round, bottom square
Jul 28 02:04:21 <Tibfib> dawm|laptop: I swear you said opposite last time I asked! :P
Jul 28 02:04:33 <dawm|laptop> not i
Jul 28 02:04:37 <Tibfib> But I think I like rounded too.
Jul 28 02:04:46 <Tibfib> Plus it's way easier... :)
Jul 28 02:04:55 <Anivrom> So pill then?
Jul 28 02:05:01 <Tibfib> for headers
Jul 28 02:05:05 <Tibfib> yeap
Jul 28 02:05:06 <Anivrom> ok but not for this
Jul 28 02:05:17 <Tibfib> you can do either.
Jul 28 02:05:26 <Tibfib> I can just copy the other corners if you do a pill
Jul 28 02:05:42 <b3ll> Tibfib nice app :)
Jul 28 02:05:48 <Tibfib> b3ll: thanks!
Jul 28 02:05:48 <Anivrom> Ill do rounded top square bottom. Pill gets rid of precious screen real estate
Jul 28 02:05:50 <b3ll> what's it for?
Jul 28 02:06:18 <Tibfib> mojo messenger
Jul 28 02:06:22 <b3ll> yea i know
Jul 28 02:06:23 <Tibfib> it's a bbm style chat app for webOS
Jul 28 02:06:25 <b3ll> like bbm?
Jul 28 02:06:26 <b3ll> ahh
Jul 28 02:06:35 <b3ll> mm :)
Jul 28 02:06:36 <b3ll> i like it
Jul 28 02:06:39 <Anivrom> its gonna be freakin sweet
Jul 28 02:06:44 <b3ll> do you have an icon?
Jul 28 02:06:49 <Tibfib> a crappy one
Jul 28 02:06:55 <b3ll> ooo can i make one?
Jul 28 02:06:58 <Tibfib> YES
Jul 28 02:07:01 <b3ll> :D
Jul 28 02:07:04 <b3ll> WOOT
Jul 28 02:07:11 <Anivrom> -_- thought I was the project designer
Jul 28 02:07:12 <Anivrom> :P
Jul 28 02:07:13 <Tibfib> but I can't promise I will use it
Jul 28 02:07:15 <b3ll> k lets have some fun :P
Jul 28 02:07:18 <Tibfib> Anivrom: you could make one too :)
Jul 28 02:07:28 <b3ll> whats the res of palm pre icons?
Jul 28 02:07:36 <Anivrom> 64
Jul 28 02:07:37 <Tibfib> 64x64
Jul 28 02:07:42 <b3ll> kk
Jul 28 02:07:48 <Tibfib> b3ll: try and keep with chat bubbles theme
Jul 28 02:07:49 <Anivrom> tib sent
Jul 28 02:07:57 <b3ll> send me a pic
Jul 28 02:07:59 <Tibfib> and the app colors... I don't want it to be a box
Jul 28 02:08:52 <Tibfib> ummm, http://s539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/ has some pics
Jul 28 02:08:54 <Tibfib> and other crap
Jul 28 02:09:13 <Tibfib> Anivrom: they look awesome. thanks
Jul 28 02:09:16 <Anivrom> how the heck do you get list items in the group widget
Jul 28 02:09:56 <Tibfib> hmm?
Jul 28 02:10:11 <Anivrom> The group widget.
Jul 28 02:10:14 <Tibfib> Anivrom: I just realized another image needs rounding
Jul 28 02:10:17 <Anivrom> It has list items
Jul 28 02:10:19 <Tibfib> the "selected"
Jul 28 02:10:20 <Anivrom> Send it over
Jul 28 02:10:23 <Tibfib> kk
Jul 28 02:10:36 <Anivrom> http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/palmmyaccount.png
Jul 28 02:10:44 <Anivrom> in status it has 2 list items
Jul 28 02:10:48 <Anivrom> and profile
Jul 28 02:11:06 <Anivrom> property of the group widget itself?
Jul 28 02:11:13 <Tibfib> no
Jul 28 02:11:20 <Anivrom> how then
Jul 28 02:11:22 <Tibfib> you can't do more than one?
Jul 28 02:11:29 <Tibfib> it's easy... I thought
Jul 28 02:11:32 <Tibfib> i'll paste bin
Jul 28 02:11:32 <Anivrom> huh?
Jul 28 02:11:34 <Tibfib> it's all html
Jul 28 02:11:36 <Anivrom> ok
Jul 28 02:11:41 <Anivrom> And each are clickable?
Jul 28 02:11:50 <Tibfib> yeah
Jul 28 02:11:53 <Anivrom> and scrollable?
Jul 28 02:12:13 <Tibfib> the items aren't scrollable
Jul 28 02:12:17 <Anivrom> bah
Jul 28 02:12:27 <Tibfib> I don't think I understand what you are talking about
Jul 28 02:13:07 <Tibfib> Anivrom: if you could round out top 2 corners
Jul 28 02:13:12 <Tibfib> that would be perfect!
Jul 28 02:14:12 <Tibfib> Anivrom: http://webos.pastebin.com/6PCxFxCa ?
Jul 28 02:14:15 <Anivrom> done
Jul 28 02:15:15 <Anivrom> Tibfib: Interesting snippet. I tend to run from html cause I don't know enough to be confident like that
Jul 28 02:15:23 <b3ll> tibfib i need your pwd :P
Jul 28 02:15:31 <Anivrom> DONT DO IT
Jul 28 02:15:35 <Anivrom> He's from.... London.
Jul 28 02:15:39 <Anivrom> Can't trust those guys
Jul 28 02:15:43 <b3ll> LOL
Jul 28 02:15:48 <Tibfib> Anivrom: thanks
Jul 28 02:16:04 <Anivrom> np
Jul 28 02:16:06 <Tibfib> b3ll: hah
Jul 28 02:16:07 <Tibfib> woops
Jul 28 02:16:49 <Tibfib> let me get that
Jul 28 02:18:20 <b3ll> kk
Jul 28 02:19:21 <Anivrom>  Sometimes my code is so unecessarily complex, if I step away from it for a few days I forget how it works LOL
Jul 28 02:19:31 <Anivrom> which makes debugging a pain
Jul 28 02:19:34 <Tibfib> Anivrom: don't fear html
Jul 28 02:19:46 <Tibfib> html is much easier than javascript
Jul 28 02:19:51 <b3ll> i need to learn both
Jul 28 02:19:53 <b3ll> fast :P
Jul 28 02:20:23 <Anivrom> I prefer javascript. It involves logic which I can handle
Jul 28 02:20:54 <b3ll> i only know objective-c and a bit of java atm
Jul 28 02:20:55 <b3ll> and turing
Jul 28 02:20:57 <Anivrom> Html involves memorizing the bug/specification incompatability table for each and every browser + version
Jul 28 02:20:58 <b3ll> but no one uses turing
Jul 28 02:21:25 <haeffb> Anivrom: there is only one browser version for webOS...
Jul 28 02:21:42 <Anivrom> I know
Jul 28 02:21:43 <Tibfib> Anivrom: psshhh, I don't care about the web. just webos
Jul 28 02:21:46 <Anivrom> But for the web
Jul 28 02:21:57 <b3ll> lolll
Jul 28 02:21:58 <haeffb> there's no Ares for the web
Jul 28 02:22:07 <Tibfib> there
Jul 28 02:22:08 <Tibfib> http://s539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/
Jul 28 02:22:16 <Anivrom> Yea its called dreamweaver :P
Jul 28 02:22:22 <Tibfib> at b3ll^
Jul 28 02:22:22 <Anivrom> which I rely heavily on
Jul 28 02:22:23 <Anivrom> ha
Jul 28 02:22:31 <Tibfib> Anivrom: that's your problem
Jul 28 02:22:35 <Tibfib> get down and CODE!
Jul 28 02:22:38 <Anivrom> Never said it wasn't
Jul 28 02:22:43 <Anivrom> :P Working on it
Jul 28 02:22:55 <Anivrom> Just made my inventory items run down as you use them
Jul 28 02:23:02 <Anivrom> \o/
Jul 28 02:25:09 <rwhitby> Anivrom: regarding stepping away from your code ... debugging code is twice as hard as writing it, so you always need to write code that is at half the level of your own intelligence.
Jul 28 02:25:29 <Tibfib> hahaha
Jul 28 02:25:33 <Tibfib> that's a great quote
Jul 28 02:25:55 <rwhitby> it's not mine, I saw it somewhere the other day
Jul 28 02:25:59 <Anivrom> Or spend even a little time thinking it through instead of leroying right into the thick of it
Jul 28 02:26:15 <Anivrom> which I tend to do when I'm overly excited about a concept
Jul 28 02:26:41 <Tibfib> Anivrom+
Jul 28 02:26:46 <Anivrom> In school we had to do flowcharts which were painfully gay. But now they seem not so painful and a little more useful. although not by much
Jul 28 02:26:50 <Tibfib> aww... I guess bot doesn't do karma
Jul 28 02:26:55 <Tibfib> nice leroy reference
Jul 28 02:26:59 <Anivrom> w00t
Jul 28 02:27:17 <Anivrom> I use leroy references in rl all the time whether someone gets the ref or not
Jul 28 02:27:26 <Anivrom> usually they dont
Jul 28 02:27:37 <Anivrom> explaining it is kinda fun too
Jul 28 02:29:00 <Tibfib> leroy references, double rainbow references, and bp jokes are always wins in my book
Jul 28 02:29:27 <Anivrom> ah yes the bp jokes
Jul 28 02:29:41 <Anivrom> Seem to be pretty 'slick' these days
Jul 28 02:29:47 <Anivrom> womp womp
Jul 28 02:31:25 <Tibfib> Did you hear? Scientists have made a car that runs on water. Only catch is, that water has to come from the Gulf of Mexico.
Jul 28 02:31:35 <Gu1l7y_work> s
Jul 28 02:32:27 <Anivrom> hey 2 strokes burn oil in the fuel so why can't a water powered vehicle do the same :P
Jul 28 02:33:42 <torchie> man
Jul 28 02:33:46 <torchie> I'm so late to the party with double rainbow
Jul 28 02:33:53 <Anivrom> apparently
Jul 28 02:33:57 <torchie> like there are already tshirts and collegehumor videos
Jul 28 02:34:07 <Tibfib> What does this mean?
Jul 28 02:34:07 <torchie> I asked, at college orientation
Jul 28 02:34:08 <torchie> "what is double rainbow"
Jul 28 02:34:12 <torchie> it's so intense
Jul 28 02:34:42 <Anivrom> and everyone started crying
Jul 28 02:35:18 <torchie> seriously they made a double rainbow reference in a skit about safety at parties and preventing date rape and STDs
Jul 28 02:35:21 <torchie> that's how late I am
Jul 28 02:35:25 <torchie> to double rainbow
Jul 28 02:38:11 <Tibfib> Anivrom: it looks nice. thanks!
Jul 28 02:38:18 <Anivrom> nice
Jul 28 02:38:18 <Anivrom> ss
Jul 28 02:38:23 <Tibfib> that was less emotional than I meant. it looks AWESOME
Jul 28 02:38:32 <torchie> does it look FULL ON
Jul 28 02:38:32 <Anivrom> ss pl0x
Jul 28 02:38:40 <Tibfib> coming
Jul 28 02:39:42 <Tibfib> http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/contactsbar-2.png
Jul 28 02:39:51 <Anivrom> nice nice
Jul 28 02:40:20 <b3ll> Anivrom can i set an html page as a background in css?
Jul 28 02:40:59 <Anivrom> all html questions should be diverted to other, more html inclined, individuals residing in this channel
Jul 28 02:41:04 <Tibfib> anyone *happen* to know the z-index of the scrim? (like used in submenus)
Jul 28 02:41:32 <b3ll> Anivrom : lol like who?
Jul 28 02:41:33 <Anivrom> I don't quite get the question though
Jul 28 02:41:42 <Anivrom> Why would you want to set an html as a bg
Jul 28 02:41:47 <Anivrom> IN css at that
Jul 28 02:41:59 <Anivrom> Don't even know if that would be possible
Jul 28 02:42:27 <Anivrom> b3ll: eventually someone smart will chime in, surprised it hasn't happened yet actually
Jul 28 02:42:32 <Tibfib> well thanks for all the help with my app folks!
Jul 28 02:42:39 * Anivrom stares at haeffb
Jul 28 02:42:43 * Tibfib wants to be SMART!
Jul 28 02:42:53 <Tibfib> b3ll: no. how you described it. you can't do it
Jul 28 02:43:01 <Tibfib> unless you take a picture of the page...or something
Jul 28 02:43:05 <b3ll> Anivrom : you can use the "background-image ("blah");" to use an image as a background
Jul 28 02:43:12 <b3ll> but is there anyway to show an html?
Jul 28 02:43:13 <Anivrom> I know that much
Jul 28 02:43:20 <Anivrom> But I doubt html is possible
Jul 28 02:43:20 <Tibfib> b3ll: an html page?
Jul 28 02:43:26 <b3ll> yea tibfib
Jul 28 02:43:30 <Tibfib> oh. I guess I see.
Jul 28 02:43:33 <Tibfib> no. you can't
Jul 28 02:43:38 <b3ll> fff
Jul 28 02:43:46 <Tibfib> ...not easily at least
Jul 28 02:43:57 <b3ll> how's the hard way?
Jul 28 02:44:04 * Tibfib waits for someone smarter to tell him he's wrong
Jul 28 02:44:15 <Anivrom> lol I do that too
Jul 28 02:44:27 <Tibfib> b3ll: take a live screenshot of the page
Jul 28 02:44:28 <haeffb> er...isn't your app just index.html ?
Jul 28 02:44:39 <b3ll> not the same
Jul 28 02:45:13 <haeffb> how so?
Jul 28 02:45:26 <Tibfib> b3ll: is this in mojo?
Jul 28 02:45:32 <b3ll> yea
Jul 28 02:45:39 <Tibfib> no way possible... at least how you think
Jul 28 02:45:50 <b3ll> im trying to build upon the animated background patch
Jul 28 02:45:51 <Tibfib> you could ajax request the file maybe
Jul 28 02:46:17 <b3ll> by using an html + javascript + css
Jul 28 02:46:21 <b3ll> to create a "live" wallpaper
Jul 28 02:46:28 <b3ll> i know how to do it on the iphone
Jul 28 02:46:43 <Tibfib> if you got animated gifs to work it would be the easiest
Jul 28 02:46:51 <haeffb> your hole app is html + javascript + css
Jul 28 02:46:52 <b3ll> yea they're a resource hog
Jul 28 02:47:01 <b3ll> haeffb, but this is an animation
Jul 28 02:47:11 <Tibfib> b3ll: so is what you're trying to do
Jul 28 02:47:12 <b3ll> i want to embed it into luna
Jul 28 02:47:22 <haeffb> that you cannot do.
Jul 28 02:47:28 <haeffb> you can do it in your app, though
Jul 28 02:47:30 <Tibfib> constant animation is going to suck resources no matter how it's done
Jul 28 02:47:45 <b3ll> haeffb how in my app?
Jul 28 02:47:57 <b3ll> Tibfib : but its simple javascript not gifs
Jul 28 02:48:00 <b3ll> :P
Jul 28 02:48:04 <Anivrom> b3ll: webview widget
Jul 28 02:48:09 <Tibfib> b3ll: still animation
Jul 28 02:48:16 <b3ll> THATS IT
Jul 28 02:48:19 <Tibfib> oooh, can you do local html with webview widget?
Jul 28 02:48:23 <haeffb> tibfib...the clock app is animated
Jul 28 02:48:27 <Anivrom> idk about local
Jul 28 02:48:36 <Anivrom> dont see why not
Jul 28 02:48:42 <haeffb> as are other parts of webos
Jul 28 02:48:52 <Tibfib> haeffb: yes... what do you mean?
Jul 28 02:48:58 <haeffb> why not just modify the html of your scene?
Jul 28 02:49:08 <b3ll> the scene is the launcher :P
Jul 28 02:49:31 <haeffb> that's what you can't do.
Jul 28 02:50:00 <haeffb> Tibfib: I mean that there's lots of animation in webOS apps.
Jul 28 02:50:04 <b3ll> hmm
Jul 28 02:50:13 <Tibfib> yes...
Jul 28 02:50:17 <b3ll> there has to be a way to layer it
Jul 28 02:50:42 <haeffb> b3ll: good luck!
Jul 28 02:50:43 <Tibfib> I was just arguing that animation uses resources whether it is an animated gif or javascript
Jul 28 02:50:53 <b3ll> lol
Jul 28 02:50:55 <b3ll> did i win? :P
Jul 28 02:51:05 <haeffb> true, but not necessarily so much that it's a bad thing
Jul 28 02:51:07 <alexfner> I was arguing that a ball uses air whether it's a basketball or a soccer ball
Jul 28 02:51:11 <haeffb> I mean, wirc is animated
Jul 28 02:51:16 <alexfner> sory, I just came in
Jul 28 02:51:20 <alexfner> and that was the first thing I saw
Jul 28 02:51:25 <haeffb> and it's a resource hog
Jul 28 02:51:32 <Tibfib> hahah alexfner
Jul 28 02:51:47 <Tibfib> I'm not sure what's being argued anymore
Jul 28 02:51:54 <Tibfib> I wasn't saying animation is a bad thing.....
Jul 28 02:51:59 * Tibfib goes back to his app
Jul 28 02:52:14 <alexfner> I've got a great app coming
Jul 28 02:52:20 <Anivrom> hopefully
Jul 28 02:52:22 <Tibfib> alexfner: screenshot?
Jul 28 02:52:34 * Tibfib gets distracted easily
Jul 28 02:52:40 <haeffb> lol
Jul 28 02:52:49 * alexfner is easily undistracted
Jul 28 02:52:52 <alexfner> I want some cake
Jul 28 02:52:53 <Anivrom> like homer? lol
Jul 28 02:53:03 <alexfner> almost went to sweetwaters today and got a piece of chocolate cake
Jul 28 02:53:10 <alexfner> but I had slept through my run, so I figured I didn't earn it
Jul 28 02:53:21 <alexfner> its all ridiculous
Jul 28 02:54:18 <haeffb> yay! my app has been submitted!
Jul 28 02:54:42 <b3ll> woo :D
Jul 28 02:55:08 <Tibfib> haeffb: what app?
Jul 28 02:55:08 <Anivrom> haeffb: which one's that?
Jul 28 02:55:08 <haeffb> it's just like alexfner's, only sooner.
Jul 28 02:55:13 <Anivrom> haha
Jul 28 02:55:19 <Tibfib> I just downloaded done! btw... slick app
Jul 28 02:55:20 <Anivrom> and twice the bugs
Jul 28 02:55:23 <alexfner> damn you!
Jul 28 02:55:30 <haeffb> nah, an update to Done!
Jul 28 02:55:39 <Tibfib> nice
Jul 28 02:55:41 <alexfner> well the jokes on you
Jul 28 02:55:44 <haeffb> thanks
Jul 28 02:55:58 <Tibfib> It's really complicated... you should put up a help :)
Jul 28 02:56:01 <b3ll> whats Done?
Jul 28 02:56:01 <alexfner> my app is currently only available on a browser
Jul 28 02:56:23 <alexfner> and will be ported to webOS when I get it far enough along to move it
Jul 28 02:56:25 <haeffb> done is a todo app that syncs with http://www.toodledo.com
Jul 28 02:56:26 <Tibfib> haeffb: or at least a link to toodledo's help
Jul 28 02:56:50 <b3ll> ahh
Jul 28 02:56:51 <b3ll> nice nice
Jul 28 02:57:05 <haeffb> true. I just hate to take the time when I could be adding new stuff... :)
Jul 28 02:57:19 <b3ll> okay quickest way to learn css + javascript + html would be
Jul 28 02:57:20 <Anivrom> I hate it when I type the path correctly to an image but it still doesn't show up
Jul 28 02:57:27 <b3ll> whoever answers gets a cookie
Jul 28 02:57:28 <Anivrom> w3schools.com
Jul 28 02:57:31 <Anivrom> b3ll
Jul 28 02:57:35 <b3ll> :P
Jul 28 02:57:36 <b3ll> thanks
Jul 28 02:57:43 <haeffb> http://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp
Jul 28 02:57:44 <alexfner> b3ll: Quit school, lock yourself in a basement with three boxes of cliff bars, and don't come out until it's done
Jul 28 02:57:44 * b3ll hands Anivrom a nice juicy cookie
Jul 28 02:58:08 <Anivrom> alexfner: don't forget the 24pack of jolt cola
Jul 28 02:58:31 <b3ll> alexfner : already did that with objective c :P
Jul 28 02:58:48 <rwhitby> b3ll: quickest way is to copy oil's code
Jul 28 02:58:50 <alexfner> no jolt cola!
Jul 28 02:58:53 <alexfner> espresso machine
Jul 28 02:58:55 <haeffb> dekan: 101
Jul 28 02:58:55 <dekan> 101 is http://www.webos101.com
Jul 28 02:59:02 <Tibfib> dangit. I start working and I miss out on a cookie
Jul 28 02:59:08 <alexfner> Anivrom: how many times do we have to have this talk about espresso before you just get it?
Jul 28 02:59:16 <b3ll> rwhitby : oil's code?
Jul 28 02:59:16 * haeffb notes that I answered and didn't get a cookie.
Jul 28 02:59:42 <rwhitby> b3ll: git.webos-internals.org - pick any of the apps and it's likely to be code that oil write
Jul 28 02:59:46 <rwhitby> s/write/wrote/
Jul 28 02:59:47 * b3ll gives haeffb a double rainbow cookie
Jul 28 02:59:48 <Tibfib> b3ll: don't do that. He's efficient. It's confusing
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