**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 05 02:59:57 2010 Aug 05 03:00:17 Tibfib: webview is very primative Aug 05 03:00:29 real men don't use "the" or "teh" Aug 05 03:00:55 Tibfib: you mean like a "localhost" files? Aug 05 03:00:58 also, how about getting cookie info from webview widget? Aug 05 03:01:20 tomlee: negative Aug 05 03:01:30 i have a feeling the webview widget is still half-baked Aug 05 03:01:37 s/the// Aug 05 03:02:25 tomlee: webview: is like a window at a store. you see the cool shit, but can't get it Aug 05 03:03:32 webview: simply displays an external page and that is it, no interaction Aug 05 03:03:52 other than the interaction you can do on the external site Aug 05 03:04:52 so u can't link top a html file in the same folder as the app in webview Aug 05 03:05:32 whoolio: that i am not sure Aug 05 03:05:35 LoneStar99: I mean specify a local html file to be loaded instead of a url Aug 05 03:06:36 tibfib: i see why not, but only have tested external links, did not read anything about not allowing "local" stuff Aug 05 03:06:47 that would be cool Aug 05 03:06:48 they better Aug 05 03:06:59 I shouldn't spend time testing but I think I will :) Aug 05 03:07:11 yeah try it out Aug 05 03:07:57 started bobc with webview this and that, and slowly had to remove all webview and do ajax requests Aug 05 03:08:59 my web view is n;t loading the url... Aug 05 03:09:04 is there somethign im missing Aug 05 03:10:34 whoolio: http://pastebin.com/wp22GhLL Aug 05 03:11:41 im in ares Aug 05 03:12:05 what do u cod ein Aug 05 03:12:20 code in...maybe i should stop using ares Aug 05 03:12:47 whoolio: i use eclipse Aug 05 03:12:58 what does your code look like? Aug 05 03:13:29 there is no code...i drag in a web view Aug 05 03:13:40 and in the url setting i put in a web address Aug 05 03:13:52 oh Aug 05 03:13:52 check your url? lol Aug 05 03:14:18 howdy Anivrom Aug 05 03:14:34 nope...wis it was that simple Aug 05 03:14:35 word Aug 05 03:14:47 hi anivrom...helping me again...lol Aug 05 03:15:09 try looking in the ares forums Aug 05 03:15:16 whoolio: you can't just plug in the code that is in pastebin? Aug 05 03:16:10 newbie...im a Aug 05 03:16:14 im a newbie Aug 05 03:16:18 would nt kno wwhat to put it Aug 05 03:16:50 mabe i can Aug 05 03:17:03 alright, left and right scroll fades Aug 05 03:17:21 LoneStar99: in ares you dont setup your own widgets Aug 05 03:17:25 its all done during runtime Aug 05 03:17:36 I mean designtime. the settings and stuff Aug 05 03:17:39 Anivrom: oh, my bad Aug 05 03:18:07 * Anivrom waits for a sugardavian stab Aug 05 03:18:08 ares is like a drag and drop system? Aug 05 03:18:11 yea Aug 05 03:18:13 yeah Aug 05 03:18:33 oh Aug 05 03:18:34 Ares is the debble Aug 05 03:18:45 there it is Aug 05 03:19:36 i like a good web service, but for webos i use old school tools "desktop" programs Aug 05 03:20:12 needed a quick entry Aug 05 03:20:17 meh go with what you know, bring that learning curve down, at the sacrifice of headaches going up Aug 05 03:20:23 and the maps tutorial made i tlook pwerful Aug 05 03:20:53 ares can whip up a simple app in 10 minutes, but more complex things take time to learn the "ares" way Aug 05 03:21:18 and since no one knows the "Ares" way, us ares devs are the trailblazers Aug 05 03:21:27 whoolio: i am sure it is powerful, but not sure many folks in here use ares Aug 05 03:21:27 in the maps tutorial...thedeveloper said somethign about this is what palm is going to be pushing Aug 05 03:22:01 too bad they are pushing against a brick wall Aug 05 03:22:09 lonestar99...thats cool...im learning and will be learnign the old school way too Aug 05 03:22:15 ppl like sugardave are pushing back from the other side :P Aug 05 03:22:19 that wall will hopefully be torn down Aug 05 03:22:35 hey, you guys use Ares, I will keep doing my thing :D Aug 05 03:22:46 whoolio: had never used eclipse etc, now it is all i use for webos Aug 05 03:22:53 sugardave: you're so anti-progress, are you secretly amish? Aug 05 03:23:15 i use komodo for everything else Aug 05 03:23:21 no, I just like my way better :D Aug 05 03:23:26 haha Aug 05 03:25:06 dekan, pong is Error: ERROR: native parser didn't like 'PONG' Aug 05 03:25:07 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 05 03:25:18 Tibfib: I love that error Aug 05 03:25:24 luna restart Aug 05 03:25:38 me too :) Aug 05 03:25:56 got an interesting email this morning my austrian friend wants me to design a flyer every week for his bar in Salzburg, but know 10 words in German... Aug 05 03:26:01 looks like you can't do local files :/ Aug 05 03:26:22 Tibfib: does it throw an error? Aug 05 03:26:29 local files for what? Aug 05 03:27:19 webview widget Aug 05 03:27:27 oh, hehe no Aug 05 03:27:51 I've tried it a bazillion ways Aug 05 03:28:02 wait, it worked for a second Aug 05 03:28:10 i gave up on the web view and am using the html view with an iframe Aug 05 03:28:13 jsut as good Aug 05 03:28:29 iframes are lame Aug 05 03:28:31 if you just want to test logic you can cheat on the emulator by hitting the web server Aug 05 03:28:38 whoolio: iframes allow you to send values... Aug 05 03:28:39 Hey Aug 05 03:28:40 All Aug 05 03:28:59 hey kesne Aug 05 03:29:11 Hows is everyone? Aug 05 03:29:15 HAH it does work Aug 05 03:29:20 Tibfib: how did you do it? Aug 05 03:29:23 sugardave: liar liar pants on fire Aug 05 03:29:26 lots of people want to know Aug 05 03:29:30 file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palmdts.mojomatters/app/views/drawer/listitem.html Aug 05 03:29:33 do LONG url Aug 05 03:29:40 lonestar...this will work good for me Aug 05 03:29:45 I feel like I accomplished something :D Aug 05 03:29:50 What are we talking about? Aug 05 03:29:54 you got webview to openurl that? Aug 05 03:29:57 yep Aug 05 03:30:13 it shows HIDSOFJDOFJDSO! like I have in listitem.url :) Aug 05 03:30:28 hmmm...this is something I tried before Aug 05 03:30:39 kesne: we talking about ares Aug 05 03:30:58 Tibfib: LOL Aug 05 03:31:10 listitem.html... Aug 05 03:31:12 that would make an awesome T-Shirst Aug 05 03:31:14 Tibfib: cool, I will try again someday Aug 05 03:31:15 shirt Aug 05 03:31:19 Ares sux Aug 05 03:31:39 I'm in chicago Aug 05 03:31:41 "I got HIDSOFJDOFJDSO!" Aug 05 03:31:48 Anybody got a vest I can borrow? Aug 05 03:31:59 call obama Aug 05 03:32:09 I feel so racist here Aug 05 03:32:16 or that crooked governor Aug 05 03:32:19 So many black people Aug 05 03:32:24 So sketchy Aug 05 03:32:30 who, Ricki Perry? Aug 05 03:32:57 no the ex-gov of illinoise Aug 05 03:33:04 Lolol Aug 05 03:33:10 ill-i-noise Aug 05 03:33:29 I think every black peroson is on drugs and wants to kill me. Aug 05 03:33:39 lol Aug 05 03:33:50 lol my wife is downloading irc, she wants to come and chill Aug 05 03:34:04 Keep in mind she's not a programmer, but a wicked illustrator Aug 05 03:34:04 :O Aug 05 03:34:14 take out your glock and tilt it 90 degrees and start shooting Aug 05 03:34:20 Anivrom: you shouldn't have said anything, now kesne will be hitting on her Aug 05 03:35:16 Bwahaha Aug 05 03:35:24 Just like JenP Aug 05 03:35:30 Anivrom: we won't embarass you Aug 05 03:35:41 Tibfib: we dont have to? ;p Aug 05 03:35:41 Actually, I have enough disneyland girls to last a few weeks Aug 05 03:36:05 kesne: all you can do is "cover and roll" Aug 05 03:36:34 This is confusing me: "downloading irc" Aug 05 03:36:42 LoneStar99: elaborate. Aug 05 03:36:47 I love disneyland Aug 05 03:36:59 It saddens me that I'll never see those people again Aug 05 03:37:01 kesne: it's an extras pack for the Internet download Aug 05 03:37:08 So many attractive people. Aug 05 03:37:14 Ah Aug 05 03:37:44 hi guys !! Aug 05 03:37:52 Hi hunny :O Aug 05 03:37:54 kesne: http://www.fesa.wa.gov.au/internet/?MenuID=323&ContentID=494 Aug 05 03:38:02 hello Aug 05 03:38:15 hi XD rofl, I didnt even type "hi guys" Aug 05 03:38:17 Who's that bitch? Aug 05 03:38:20 it was Anivrom Aug 05 03:38:23 excuse me? Aug 05 03:38:30 Oh, hi there! Aug 05 03:38:44 * Anivrom traces kesnes ip and google maps it Aug 05 03:38:53 he lives in Oregon Aug 05 03:38:54 ROAD TRIPPPP Aug 05 03:38:57 * kesne is in chicago on his pre :O Aug 05 03:38:57 during the cold war there where these lame films: was it "cover and roll"? Aug 05 03:38:59 but he's in Chicago right now Aug 05 03:39:07 I live in Oregon Aug 05 03:39:07 LoneStar99: Duck and Cover Aug 05 03:39:10 * Anivrom traces ip and google maps it Aug 05 03:39:15 to his pre Aug 05 03:39:20 sugardave: lol Aug 05 03:39:22 yeah Aug 05 03:39:23 Heh Aug 05 03:39:41 no but seriously dont disrespect my wife like that Aug 05 03:39:42 Anivrom: sorry, I had to. Aug 05 03:39:59 like ducking under my desk and covering my head is going to save me from a xxx-megaton blast a few miles away Aug 05 03:40:01 * kesne plays the age card Aug 05 03:40:19 sugardave: lol Aug 05 03:40:21 yeah Aug 05 03:40:21 sugardave: you never know. Aug 05 03:40:29 kesne: I know Aug 05 03:40:58 Carswell AFB was high on the list ;) Aug 05 03:41:04 They said we'd never make it to the year 2000 too Aug 05 03:41:08 we lived about 15 miles from there Aug 05 03:41:17 "Duck and Cover" Aug 05 03:41:17 who said that? Aug 05 03:41:22 morons? Aug 05 03:41:40 Carswell is where? Aug 05 03:41:43 Close, mormons Aug 05 03:41:50 closed now, I think...Ft. Worth Aug 05 03:42:13 well, GD is still there, but not an operational AFB anymore, I think Aug 05 03:42:17 Tibfib: Do you think that I could get that Mojo Messenger beta? Aug 05 03:42:25 they made F-15s at the GD plant there Aug 05 03:42:41 Anivrom: She left us! Aug 05 03:42:56 Now I feel bad Aug 05 03:43:16 Anivrom: suggest a gender neutral name and tell her how to /ignore people :D Aug 05 03:43:30 * kesne pouts his lip and looks at Anivrom with wattering eyes. Aug 05 03:43:32 dkirker: oh yeah Aug 05 03:43:36 just a sec Aug 05 03:43:42 Hehe Aug 05 03:43:42 sugardave: cool, my favorite plane is the F-22 raptor Aug 05 03:43:47 she can handle harassment Aug 05 03:43:48 saw it fly in SD Aug 05 03:43:56 LoneStar99: yeah, that's a sweet ride Aug 05 03:44:04 Anivrom: so can I! :D Aug 05 03:44:07 fuck yeah very impressive Aug 05 03:44:18 kesne: I think the age card is well scorched by now Aug 05 03:44:28 I guess that I need to figure out a way to integrate Skype into moVox now... The family is all on Skype. :/ Aug 05 03:44:28 Oh no, the f bomb! Aug 05 03:44:32 it could stall in the air and then reposition itself Aug 05 03:44:36 My innocent ears! Aug 05 03:44:49 kesne: you hit on JenP? Aug 05 03:44:55 hahahahahaha Aug 05 03:44:59 lol Aug 05 03:45:02 he ran her off this channel Aug 05 03:45:06 LoneStar99: are you drunk again? Aug 05 03:45:16 kesne: what u think? Aug 05 03:45:17 Course I did! Aug 05 03:45:24 I think yes Aug 05 03:45:26 oooo, that reminds me! drinks! Aug 05 03:45:44 dkirker: oh, you're here Aug 05 03:45:54 oh, yeah Aug 05 03:46:17 kesne: have not seen JenP in here... Aug 05 03:46:47 LoneStar99: ever? Aug 05 03:46:58 not sure Aug 05 03:47:06 kesne: whats this about you scaring off jenP from hitting on her? Aug 05 03:47:16 truth Aug 05 03:47:23 to catch a predator anyone? Aug 05 03:47:32 yeah kesne we do not like liars here Aug 05 03:47:44 Anivrom: she made a soft-core porn app Aug 05 03:47:50 which one? Aug 05 03:47:55 kama sutra? Aug 05 03:48:04 cause that app made 1k Aug 05 03:48:25 Tasty Toons Aug 05 03:48:37 Actually I didn't, but whateves Aug 05 03:49:03 actually me an JenP had a falling out, but whatever Aug 05 03:49:28 kesne: have not seen JenP in here... Aug 05 03:49:35 lately Aug 05 03:49:37 What were you saying? Aug 05 03:49:42 Oh Aug 05 03:49:42 was here about a week ago Aug 05 03:49:49 it is all sealed and a closed book Aug 05 03:49:53 She left when I came back Aug 05 03:50:09 and came back when you left Aug 05 03:50:12 LoneStar99: you should come with a warning tag Aug 05 03:50:14 Don't you feel special Aug 05 03:50:31 Yep Aug 05 03:50:45 I want to live in disneyland Aug 05 03:50:49 kesne: "i do expect nothing and you will get magic" Aug 05 03:51:10 Mojo is magic Aug 05 03:51:12 I love getting phone #s Aug 05 03:51:13 I'm such a teenager, I love it Aug 05 03:51:27 dkirker: sent Aug 05 03:51:33 Mojo is sex Aug 05 03:51:36 Like JenP Aug 05 03:51:41 kense: what is your legal age? Aug 05 03:51:42 I'm watching this show about airborne great white sharks...scary Aug 05 03:51:57 how are they airborne? Aug 05 03:51:59 huge sharks all the way out of the water Aug 05 03:52:02 airborne? Aug 05 03:52:03 ah Aug 05 03:52:12 seal-killing Aug 05 03:52:16 oh Aug 05 03:52:21 I'm 16 Aug 05 03:52:26 Tibfib: Received! Thanks a million! Aug 05 03:52:33 dkirker: np Aug 05 03:52:35 it's called "Air Jaws" or something Aug 05 03:52:45 I date down to 14, up to 18 Aug 05 03:53:06 sugardave: ^^^ genderless nick Aug 05 03:53:10 heh Aug 05 03:53:15 Kal-El Aug 05 03:53:21 Supermannnn Aug 05 03:53:23 kesne: as long as you don't say that when you're 40 ... Aug 05 03:53:23 lol Aug 05 03:53:23 Kal: hah! Aug 05 03:53:28 not Kal-El :P Aug 05 03:53:57 sugardave: local files work like a charm Aug 05 03:54:08 age * .5 + 7 Aug 05 03:54:22 Tibfib: sweet...I remember trying to help someone get it to work and we couldn't Aug 05 03:54:24 no local files Aug 05 03:54:26 no data uris Aug 05 03:54:27 etc Aug 05 03:54:41 I could get it to work if I cheated, of course, but that does nothing for real apps Aug 05 03:54:52 I wonder if it changed in 1.4.5 Aug 05 03:54:55 hmm Aug 05 03:55:00 wow you guys, if I was having a slow or boring day, I'm not anymore. :D Aug 05 03:55:12 dkirker: you're welcome! Aug 05 03:55:30 lol Aug 05 03:55:43 maybe I'll finally have the energy to get around to writing my FRD Aug 05 03:55:47 kesne: what is the name of the lil white rapper dude - that is like 15? Aug 05 03:55:59 eminem? Aug 05 03:55:59 LoneStar99: Jordan? Aug 05 03:56:02 sugardave: sdk is not 1.4.5 at it works, pre is 1.4.5 and it works Aug 05 03:56:03 no wait -- he just acts 15 Aug 05 03:56:06 LoneStar99: no no no, do not bring him up... Aug 05 03:56:14 dkirker: fucking requirements document? Aug 05 03:56:14 and it works* Aug 05 03:56:19 LoneStar99: I'm going to igore that Aug 05 03:56:22 sugardave: there you go! Aug 05 03:56:29 actually not rap, more hiphop Aug 05 03:56:34 Tibfib: damn, I must suck :P Aug 05 03:56:38 hahaha Aug 05 03:56:38 Let me restate, I date down to 13 on special occation Aug 05 03:56:42 sugardave: I like that name better :) Aug 05 03:56:47 heh Aug 05 03:56:47 justin beaver? Aug 05 03:56:48 Like disneyland Aug 05 03:57:00 Your mom is a beaver Aug 05 03:57:05 LOL Aug 05 03:57:08 lol Aug 05 03:57:16 LoneStar99: not quite, but I like Beaver better :) Aug 05 03:57:35 I like beavers Aug 05 03:57:53 kesne: do you even know what to do with a beaver? :P Aug 05 03:57:59 build a dam? Aug 05 03:58:12 Yeah Aug 05 03:58:21 Build a dam Aug 05 03:58:29 just stay away from the teeth Aug 05 03:58:34 spdsktr: I don't know what you meant Aug 05 03:58:35 damn things can eat through TREES Aug 05 03:58:35 Oh Aug 05 03:58:37 kesne: is this what you listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4 Aug 05 03:59:00 mmmmm mr.big, so good Aug 05 03:59:07 * Anvirnom-nom-nom is eating mr.big noms Aug 05 03:59:08 kesne: At your age, I am glad you didn't know what I mean Aug 05 03:59:26 Damn it LoneStar99, you had to post a video of him... Aug 05 03:59:31 :( Aug 05 03:59:37 LoneStar99: no, I listen to http://youtube.com/jordangenslermusic Aug 05 03:59:47 spdsktr: I know what you meant Aug 05 03:59:59 I like inuendos (sp?) Aug 05 04:00:05 Kal: glad you joined us? :D Aug 05 04:00:05 spdsktr: I need to get you set up to push patches yourself Aug 05 04:00:10 yes :) Aug 05 04:00:14 haha Aug 05 04:00:17 Anybody see the movie Teeth? Aug 05 04:00:18 rwhitby: that would be splendid :) Aug 05 04:00:20 She says she's just keepin tabs on me Aug 05 04:00:26 I see you guys talk a lot over his comp Aug 05 04:00:27 First app catalog compatible app that uses real homebrew :) Aug 05 04:00:31 kesne: that is you? Aug 05 04:00:42 yeah, figured it'd be easier to evesdrop if i just joined in Aug 05 04:00:44 She thinks you're secretely a girl and want to steal me off to some island in the keys Aug 05 04:00:45 XD Aug 05 04:00:46 spdsktr: got a gitorious.org account? Aug 05 04:00:50 LoneStar99: justin beaver? No Aug 05 04:00:53 rwhitby: But I promise my pace will slow *considerably* now Aug 05 04:01:03 rwhitby: not yet... Aug 05 04:01:10 kesne: pretty good music Aug 05 04:01:15 Anvirnom-nom-nom: you're my best friend though Aug 05 04:01:19 LoneStar99: who? Aug 05 04:01:31 wish we had webos-info bot Aug 05 04:01:39 heh heh Aug 05 04:01:41 whos bot was that? Aug 05 04:01:43 rwhitby: he's got a clitorious.org account Aug 05 04:01:55 LOL Aug 05 04:02:00 Oops Aug 05 04:02:01 Back Aug 05 04:02:05 wb Aug 05 04:02:06 What's I miss? Aug 05 04:02:18 kense: a mix jordan N Bieber = killer Aug 05 04:02:19 shhh he's back Aug 05 04:02:27 beiber=fag Aug 05 04:02:28 LoneStar99: not quite Aug 05 04:02:38 Me=fag? Aug 05 04:02:44 pretty much Aug 05 04:02:57 I'm actually not Aug 05 04:02:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvSoGW1U20s Aug 05 04:03:01 kesne: you got a good thing going forsure Aug 05 04:03:02 FUNNY Aug 05 04:03:13 LoneStar99: you mean my music? Aug 05 04:03:23 Subscribe! Show your friends! Aug 05 04:03:29 well poo, nothing installed except for connected to profile and webos just crashed Aug 05 04:03:32 get me a palm pre, Jon Aug 05 04:03:35 :P Aug 05 04:03:38 Anvirnom-nom-nom: seen it already Aug 05 04:03:39 the refurb must be bad, Aug 05 04:03:43 You gotta earn it! Aug 05 04:03:47 this is stupid, its my 2nd refurb this week. Aug 05 04:03:50 that's horrible Aug 05 04:03:56 What must I do? Aug 05 04:03:58 rwhitby: username: spdsktr Aug 05 04:04:05 I can't believe you didn't get your wife a Pre Aug 05 04:04:11 * kesne is subscribed to dave days Aug 05 04:04:15 kesne: yeah your music, just need to go and do it at a club Aug 05 04:04:20 you gotta **** my *** then ****** in the **** and lasty **** sex **** *** Aug 05 04:04:26 * sugardave pushes his wife's Sanyo Katana under the paper pile. Aug 05 04:04:27 O_O Aug 05 04:04:40 Hmm Aug 05 04:04:47 Sounds like fun! Aug 05 04:04:49 In here? o.o Aug 05 04:04:59 Naw baby we can go to pm Aug 05 04:05:00 in front of all these people? >_> Aug 05 04:05:04 ok Aug 05 04:05:07 :) Aug 05 04:05:11 * Anvirnom-nom-nom exits left Aug 05 04:05:12 spdsktr: added for modifications.git and you've got git access to build.git already I think Aug 05 04:05:14 do you need your robe and your wizard hat? Aug 05 04:05:18 ROFL! Aug 05 04:05:18 LOL Aug 05 04:05:23 best bash of all time Aug 05 04:05:29 * kesne feels young here Aug 05 04:05:46 * Anvirnom-nom-nom casts level 99 eroticism Aug 05 04:05:49 o_O Aug 05 04:05:56 oh baby Aug 05 04:06:08 rwhitby: after the GPS Fix rush calms down, I really need a crash course in all things git -- sad to admit, but a noobie to git Aug 05 04:06:31 But ha! I can date all the 16 year olds I want! Aug 05 04:06:55 yay? Aug 05 04:07:04 lol Aug 05 04:07:08 how old is everyone else? Aug 05 04:07:16 16-year old girls are expensive Aug 05 04:07:20 too old for you, now back in the closet Aug 05 04:07:22 * sugardave sugardave is old. Aug 05 04:07:25 whoa Aug 05 04:07:30 and a little high, it seems Aug 05 04:07:31 Hell, even 13 year olds Aug 05 04:07:38 lol Aug 05 04:07:56 kesne: 13 year olds is the stuff jail is made of Aug 05 04:08:04 well that and soap on a rope Aug 05 04:08:04 my little sister 10 yrs old got a $4,000 golf cart for her B-Day Aug 05 04:08:13 sheeeeeeeeeeesh Aug 05 04:08:25 Not for meeeee Aug 05 04:08:31 I would die before I bought my daughter a $4000.00 anything Aug 05 04:08:31 I'm 16 Aug 05 04:08:38 I already knew that Aug 05 04:08:39 :P Aug 05 04:08:52 sugardave: it is sad but the truth Aug 05 04:08:58 In oregon, I can date/sex up 13-19 Aug 05 04:09:08 She said ew 16 is a gay age, now 17 is hawt Aug 05 04:09:16 I did? Aug 05 04:09:17 lol Aug 05 04:09:19 o.o Aug 05 04:09:21 Hah Aug 05 04:09:22 shhe! Aug 05 04:09:26 play along Aug 05 04:09:38 I think 15 is hotter Aug 05 04:09:40 Hehehehe Aug 05 04:09:47 * lemketron wonders what any of this has to do with webOS... Aug 05 04:10:04 lemketron: we've been OT for hours Aug 05 04:10:15 heh Aug 05 04:10:21 dkirker started it Aug 05 04:10:24 lemketron: get out the lart bat Aug 05 04:10:31 o_O Aug 05 04:10:31 Anvirnom-nom-nom: I noticed ;) Aug 05 04:10:50 lemketron: you're jealous! Aug 05 04:11:03 so anyone know why I can't listen to anything on my webview widget? Aug 05 04:11:08 no, lemketron is right. Aug 05 04:11:18 Og, guess what? Aug 05 04:11:23 Er, eh Aug 05 04:11:23 just out of the blue? I don't feel like giving details Aug 05 04:11:23 lemketron: Did you come up with the onformat solution or someone else? Aug 05 04:11:40 Tibfib: wow, a little OT? Aug 05 04:11:42 Tibfib: you broke it by loading a local file Aug 05 04:11:59 Anvirnom-nom-nom: hows the wife? Aug 05 04:12:06 * Kal sits out because its programming stuff now Aug 05 04:12:13 I bet she's hawt Aug 05 04:12:17 sugardave: hah, I wonder if you are right Aug 05 04:12:19 O_O Aug 05 04:12:21 I bet you got a small weiner Aug 05 04:12:22 Anvirnom: "solution" ? It was already "solved" in ares Aug 05 04:12:36 Anvirnom-nom-nom: yes, but I have a large penis. Aug 05 04:12:45 dekan, fight is Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight! Aug 05 04:12:45 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 05 04:12:50 right Aug 05 04:12:54 dekan: fight Aug 05 04:12:55 Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight! Aug 05 04:13:00 hey Aug 05 04:13:05 Tibfib: it's possible :D Aug 05 04:13:06 Kal: pre user or gfx person? Aug 05 04:13:11 dkirker: hey! Aug 05 04:13:16 sugardave: that would be dumb. Aug 05 04:13:18 Tibfib: switch it google and see what happens Aug 05 04:13:19 this place has gone to hell Aug 05 04:13:24 gfx Aug 05 04:13:29 halfhalo: your hell Aug 05 04:13:31 Just drinking Milwaukees's Best here Aug 05 04:13:40 sugardave: doing now Aug 05 04:13:56 wait...what does gfx and pre user mean? Aug 05 04:13:57 rofl Aug 05 04:14:01 Kal: you can pick up some tidbits on how to style layout via javascript Aug 05 04:14:04 She doesn't own a pre, just a copy of Adobe CS4 master collection, which she rips apart on a regular basis Aug 05 04:14:30 Anvirnom-nom-nom: that is a very long handle Aug 05 04:14:34 That's not the only thing she's ripping apart Aug 05 04:14:38 Kal: nice Aug 05 04:14:54 Im not a programmer Aug 05 04:15:01 LoneStar99: you should stop drinking Aug 05 04:15:02 Kal: graphics hehe Aug 05 04:15:07 Kal: me, neither Aug 05 04:15:22 sugardave: great! it doesn't work with tibfib.com either! Aug 05 04:15:22 kesne: thanks father Aug 05 04:15:24 sugardave: really? Aug 05 04:15:32 Tibfib: consistency :D Aug 05 04:15:36 Go easy on her guys, she's really gullible Aug 05 04:15:42 lol Aug 05 04:15:44 ... Aug 05 04:15:45 LoneStar99: when you die, imma laugh Aug 05 04:15:51 was I being lied to? Aug 05 04:16:05 Anvirnom-nom-nom: I don't go easy on any girls Aug 05 04:16:09 More of a fib... a tib.. fib.. if you will Aug 05 04:16:14 kesne: i hope you do Aug 05 04:16:21 * Tibfib was lol'ing at sugardave's consistency quote Aug 05 04:16:29 LoneStar99: only where it matters Aug 05 04:17:21 Hmm Aug 05 04:18:07 God, I'm tired Aug 05 04:18:08 kesne: need to spice up this site with fades and what not is it possible? http://www.montemayorinvestments.com/mam/ Aug 05 04:18:22 LoneStar99: I'm on vacation Aug 05 04:18:27 Ask me when you're sober Aug 05 04:18:28 Kal: I use the "other" way to write apps for webOS Aug 05 04:18:45 o_O Aug 05 04:18:54 lol Aug 05 04:19:01 sugardave: you mean you think and it happens? Aug 05 04:19:02 :P Aug 05 04:19:04 That'll give me a good week to think Aug 05 04:19:04 He drinks 'straight mojo'. nasty like tequila. Aug 05 04:19:13 kesne: you use what again? j Aug 05 04:19:13 Tibfib: where are you setting your listener? Aug 05 04:19:20 Heh Aug 05 04:19:24 setup Aug 05 04:19:28 LoneStar99: what? Aug 05 04:19:41 Anvirnom-nom-nom: I love you Aug 05 04:19:50 >_> Aug 05 04:19:57 * lemketron looks around suspiciously Aug 05 04:20:03 kesne: hey! Hes mine Aug 05 04:20:12 dekan: fight Aug 05 04:20:12 Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight! Aug 05 04:20:15 sugardave: ares? Aug 05 04:20:17 almost time! Aug 05 04:20:33 kesne: what javascript framework is the best for effects? Aug 05 04:20:48 sugardave has a picture of ares in his washroom to which he throws up on every morning Aug 05 04:21:05 swishy: no, I just write mojo...I said "other" because Anvirnom-nom-nom uses Ares and I assumed she knew that one already Aug 05 04:21:08 LoneStar99: I use Villo, but that's mine. You an use jQuery Aug 05 04:21:08 kesne: can't spend to much more time on it, somehting simple Aug 05 04:21:29 Kal: but he likes the young type. Aug 05 04:21:31 sugardave: ahh k I was thinking as opposed to pdk etc :) Aug 05 04:21:36 kesne: what is easier? Aug 05 04:21:44 swishy: oh, no pdk here :D Aug 05 04:21:53 definitely NOT a programmer on that scale Aug 05 04:21:54 Villo or jQuery? Aug 05 04:21:55 if there's grass on the field play ball right? Aug 05 04:21:56 LoneStar99: depends on your coding preference Aug 05 04:22:05 LoneStar99: you can't use Villo, so JQ Aug 05 04:22:27 ok jQuery Aug 05 04:22:34 Tibfib: was it working before? Aug 05 04:22:34 Anvirnom-nom-nom: that sounds sexual Aug 05 04:22:43 then it sounds right Aug 05 04:22:48 lol Aug 05 04:22:53 sugardave: nope Aug 05 04:23:02 did you try it in activate? Aug 05 04:23:09 gonna stiff my buddy with a $1K bill... Aug 05 04:23:13 sugardave: try what? Aug 05 04:23:17 the listener Aug 05 04:23:29 hmmm I could... shouldnt materr Aug 05 04:23:37 Okay folks Aug 05 04:23:42 So back on topic Aug 05 04:23:54 kesne-mature... sounds like an oxymoron to me Aug 05 04:24:00 kesne-mature: it is bed time for you and Bieber Aug 05 04:24:10 dont forget your sippy cup Aug 05 04:24:12 I know some programming \function_addeventListener(variable_x); Aug 05 04:24:16 :D Aug 05 04:24:17 I'm working on webOS stuff Aug 05 04:24:22 LOL! Aug 05 04:24:27 Very good hunny! Aug 05 04:24:36 Kalsnack Aug 05 04:24:40 dkirker: I tried Aug 05 04:24:43 * Kal nom nom nom Aug 05 04:24:49 lol Aug 05 04:24:56 botsnack Aug 05 04:24:56 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 05 04:25:11 kesne would have been sufficient nick change. Aug 05 04:25:30 dekan, dekansnack is nom nom nom Aug 05 04:25:30 Okay, Tibfib. Aug 05 04:25:34 dekansnack Aug 05 04:25:34 * dekan nom nom nom Aug 05 04:25:44 LoneStar99: I'm a tiny bit tired Aug 05 04:26:12 * swishy just clicked who Kal was Aug 05 04:26:15 God Aug 05 04:26:16 <-- slow today Aug 05 04:26:17 :O Aug 05 04:26:20 I hate this Aug 05 04:26:25 at 16 you should be jumpy all the time Aug 05 04:26:31 Kal is my wifey <3 Aug 05 04:26:32 Kal is hot Aug 05 04:26:39 Anvirnom-nom-nom: yeah missed the nick change Aug 05 04:26:41 lol Aug 05 04:26:49 lol :P Aug 05 04:27:02 decided to go with genderless nick Aug 05 04:27:03 * swishy takes the asshat of the day title Aug 05 04:27:14 rofl Aug 05 04:27:18 lol aww Aug 05 04:27:18 So, webos.... Aug 05 04:27:36 tibfib and sugardave are in their own little webos land Aug 05 04:27:41 LoneStar99: theres a heap of specific UI libs built on jquery and prototype too btw Aug 05 04:27:51 haha Aug 05 04:28:06 Anvirnom: your wife hangs out on #webos too? Aug 05 04:28:15 I am of course making the assumption that if you arnt using ares outright there no issues with dropping such under your app Aug 05 04:28:15 As of 30 minutes ago yea Aug 05 04:28:17 swishy: i have clue how to implement any of it out of webose Aug 05 04:28:51 LoneStar99: I'll do it for $1500 Aug 05 04:29:11 Probably just to verify the claim "No really, I'm just chatting with a bunch of people about webOS development" Aug 05 04:29:26 yea she says its to keep tabs on me Aug 05 04:29:32 :P Aug 05 04:29:32 heh... Aug 05 04:29:41 not really serious but ok Aug 05 04:29:48 lies Aug 05 04:29:49 (didn't mean to imply she wouldn't be interested in the conversation here, sorry) Aug 05 04:29:58 well, all the e-harem left when they heard you were coming Aug 05 04:29:59 just felt like meeting these people he talks to more than me Aug 05 04:30:00 I'm tired Aug 05 04:30:04 but the channel is logged Aug 05 04:30:05 Damn disneyland Aug 05 04:30:09 jks hunny :O Aug 05 04:30:19 that wasnt a joke............................................................................ Aug 05 04:30:33 Kal: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/ ;) Aug 05 04:30:35 sugardave: wtf, you just blew it Aug 05 04:30:37 STOP Aug 05 04:30:38 GUYS Aug 05 04:30:40 hahaahaha Aug 05 04:30:43 all the girlfriends! Aug 05 04:30:45 ooops Aug 05 04:30:46 surfacing Aug 05 04:30:50 LOL Aug 05 04:30:51 like fart bubbles in a bath Aug 05 04:30:54 making a huge stink Aug 05 04:31:13 I'm sending you the divorce bill rwhitby Aug 05 04:31:27 * Kal takes out a knife Aug 05 04:31:40 funeral bill? Aug 05 04:31:40 * sugardave gives dekan a shield. Aug 05 04:31:41 Okay, sugardave. Aug 05 04:31:43 * Kal chops some meat Aug 05 04:31:48 * Kal cooks some dinner Aug 05 04:31:50 dekan: inventory Aug 05 04:31:51 * dekan contains a towel and a shield. Aug 05 04:31:55 ok, even im confused Aug 05 04:31:55 * Kal gives it to Anivrom Aug 05 04:31:56 thats right, where you belong Aug 05 04:32:05 do the laundry while you're at it Aug 05 04:32:11 * Kal puts poison in his dinner Aug 05 04:32:14 :O Aug 05 04:32:22 Kal: the $$$ are a much better alternative to jail time and of course you jhave the satisfaction of a life time of harrasing him ;) Aug 05 04:32:22 * lemketron gives dekan a big stick Aug 05 04:32:22 * dekan is now carrying a big stick. Aug 05 04:32:27 * halfhalo gives dekan a tactical low yield nuclear weapon Aug 05 04:32:28 * dekan now contains a tactical low yield nuclear weapon. Aug 05 04:32:35 Tibfib: any luck? Aug 05 04:32:40 oh wait... Aug 05 04:32:49 dekan is getting pretty powerful Aug 05 04:32:51 So webos... Aug 05 04:32:55 sugardave: nope... this is my scene: http://webos.pastebin.com/08SBtAfV Aug 05 04:32:55 I made this ap Aug 05 04:33:03 * Anvirnom-nom-nom gives dekan a star trek stun phaser Aug 05 04:33:03 Okay, Anvirnom-nom-nom. Aug 05 04:33:03 scoobysnack Aug 05 04:33:03 Scoobydoobeedoo! Aug 05 04:33:15 dekan, what do you have? Aug 05 04:33:15 Error 42: Factoid not in database. Please contact administrator of current universe. Aug 05 04:33:19 botsmack Aug 05 04:33:19 * dekan cowers Aug 05 04:33:19 lol Aug 05 04:33:26 maik: ping Aug 05 04:33:32 botsmack Aug 05 04:33:32 * dekan cowers Aug 05 04:33:35 botsmack Aug 05 04:33:35 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with a shield. Aug 05 04:33:35 "stupid bot tricks"? Aug 05 04:33:39 botsmack Aug 05 04:33:39 * dekan dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died. Aug 05 04:33:45 The apps was nice Aug 05 04:33:48 * Anvirnom-nom-nom respawn Aug 05 04:33:51 lemketron: so, Rahul on the webOSroundup podcast. PreCentral's gonna be jealous. Aug 05 04:33:51 And it did stuff Aug 05 04:34:03 Who is rahul? Aug 05 04:34:04 rwhitby: wow really? Aug 05 04:34:05 oh yeah, that was tonight? Aug 05 04:34:15 tomorrow night is recording I believe Aug 05 04:34:19 He's got a vision for palm/hp thats gonna go far I think Aug 05 04:34:35 lemketron: PreCentral could only afford to get me on their podcast yesterday ... Aug 05 04:34:42 The app is cool Aug 05 04:34:50 Tibfib: why not use this.wb in listen? it probably won't matter...and I also always use bindAsEventListener(this) instead of bind, I don't know why...other than trying it in activate, if it's loading that url it should work Aug 05 04:34:53 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/08/webosradio-records-tomorrow-with-special-guest-rahul-sood/ Aug 05 04:35:18 sugardave: tried this.wb and without it Aug 05 04:35:21 * rwhitby suspects Rahul will have far more interesting things to say than I did. Aug 05 04:35:26 I'll try bindaseventblah Aug 05 04:35:49 Tibfib: let me see if I can find my one and only webViewLinkClicked try Aug 05 04:36:30 I've tried the urlChanged one too Aug 05 04:37:04 I wonder if it is the stupid emu Aug 05 04:37:05 I'm out guys Aug 05 04:37:08 oh, I don't have link clicked Aug 05 04:37:10 Later Aug 05 04:37:15 I have titleurlchanged Aug 05 04:37:19 Bye Kal ;) Aug 05 04:37:21 rwhitby, lemketron: wait till they see who the devcast has :) Aug 05 04:37:26 loadfailed, stopped, and started Aug 05 04:37:38 do you have interrogate clicks turned on? Aug 05 04:37:51 bye Kesne Aug 05 04:37:56 sugardave: nope? Aug 05 04:37:59 spdsktr: bendy? Aug 05 04:38:02 in the webview model Aug 05 04:38:08 'interrogateClicks': true Aug 05 04:38:13 wow that's dumb Aug 05 04:38:14 rwhitby: bendy? Aug 05 04:38:17 hello all Aug 05 04:38:21 it might not change anything Aug 05 04:38:26 I hope that's not the solution Aug 05 04:38:28 and also my stuff is working in setup() Aug 05 04:38:29 spdsktr: Ben&Dion (Lisa's name) Aug 05 04:38:49 Bendion Aug 05 04:38:52 rwhitby: not next week, but they will be on :) Aug 05 04:39:00 and we want you too Aug 05 04:39:00 spdsktr: adora? Aug 05 04:39:10 Adora is already scheduled Aug 05 04:39:18 chuq? Aug 05 04:39:31 spdsktr: devcast is all mojo'y though - I'll be out of my league Aug 05 04:39:32 Need to ask Chuq... we have a special one in mind with him Aug 05 04:39:37 RUBY? Aug 05 04:39:39 Hi Rod... Long time no see Aug 05 04:39:56 jack87: where you been hiding out? Aug 05 04:39:58 rwhitby: no, we need plenty more, moving into PDK stuff too Aug 05 04:40:00 sugardave: Wow. That's dumb. it works. Aug 05 04:40:04 nice Aug 05 04:40:08 thanks Aug 05 04:40:13 np Aug 05 04:40:26 spdsktr: have your people call my people and we'll set something up Aug 05 04:40:40 why the crap would you need that? If I'm listening to it, I obviously want the events to get sent out Aug 05 04:40:44 rwhitby, I started up school again and just been busy :-/ majoring in Computer Engineering now thanks to playing with webos :) Aug 05 04:40:45 rwhitby: will not make you stay up really really late either *grin* Aug 05 04:41:03 spdsktr: precentral podcast is 9:30am for me Aug 05 04:41:04 rwhitby: great putting a voice to a name btw Aug 05 04:41:16 nm then! Aug 05 04:41:21 is will still around? miss that guy to Aug 05 04:41:25 Tibfib: I habe no clue...I guess it must turn on some resource-intensive stuff to do so it's disabled by default? Aug 05 04:41:27 My name is Will! Aug 05 04:41:33 spdsktr: what time do you guys record? Aug 05 04:41:56 hi Tibfib Will :-) Aug 05 04:41:56 rwhitby: same time, but ours is pre-recorded and then edited Aug 05 04:42:06 howdy jack87 Aug 05 04:42:07 Tibfib: mm supports background processing? Aug 05 04:42:23 rwhitby, I am now listening to you speaking in the podcast Aug 05 04:42:24 Anvirnom-nom-nom: for what? Aug 05 04:42:40 jack87: have I put you to sleep yet? Aug 05 04:42:41 ... for getting messages with card view closed Aug 05 04:42:45 yep Aug 05 04:42:51 greatr Aug 05 04:42:53 great too Aug 05 04:43:01 prefs has an option to change the interval it checks at Aug 05 04:43:07 saw that Aug 05 04:43:15 dont know why I asked even Aug 05 04:43:19 haha Aug 05 04:43:21 rwhitby, I was just waiting for you to chim in and explain the open source for android Aug 05 04:43:23 rwhitby: no sleep, you're soo Aussie though -- and Jason is such a Canadian :) Aug 05 04:43:33 canada = win Aug 05 04:44:02 When I actually listened to it myself, it was great hearing Jason with his accent Aug 05 04:44:10 I love accents -- especially british ones Aug 05 04:44:20 we dont have accents Aug 05 04:44:21 eh Aug 05 04:44:35 all I know is that WebOS got my ticket back to San Diego Aug 05 04:44:52 * Tibfib is behind on his podcasts Aug 05 04:45:02 spdsktr: oil gives me a hard time for saying "webawsinternals" Aug 05 04:45:16 and "beeta test" Aug 05 04:45:18 heh Aug 05 04:45:21 LOL, I loves that! Aug 05 04:45:29 *loved Aug 05 04:45:38 rwhitby: where in canada are you? Aug 05 04:45:39 it's actually easier to say Aug 05 04:45:51 Anvirnom-nom-nom: south canada Aug 05 04:45:56 where... Aug 05 04:46:06 Anvirnom-nom-nom: waaaay south Aug 05 04:46:18 a bit to the west too Aug 05 04:46:22 bah Aug 05 04:46:23 lol Aug 05 04:46:26 maritime? Aug 05 04:46:28 I mean Aug 05 04:46:32 prairie? Aug 05 04:46:34 rwhitby: I thought the plates shifted to the east tho? Aug 05 04:46:47 rod do you say dawg? Aug 05 04:46:50 anywhere near toronto? Aug 05 04:47:03 Anvirnom-nom-nom: Try Australia Aug 05 04:47:17 no I meant for rwhitby Aug 05 04:47:25 Jason Robataille is from Canada Aug 05 04:47:33 i got that far lol Aug 05 04:47:40 Rod is from Australia... Aug 05 04:47:47 canada is a big country, I'm trying to narrow it down Aug 05 04:48:19 yeah, Australia's just a little country. about the size of the continental USA ... Aug 05 04:48:32 yup, tiny Aug 05 04:49:10 rwhitby: he wants to know where in Canada you live besides just south :P Aug 05 04:49:40 Kal: the part of Canada that has Kangaroos and Koalas and Sharks Aug 05 04:49:44 Lookup the southern most part of Canada, then go more south... Aug 05 04:50:01 * Anvirnom-nom-nom shrugs Aug 05 04:50:03 o_O Aug 05 04:50:17 Im guessing you dont mean the country of Canada :P Aug 05 04:50:59 Kal: Australia Aug 05 04:51:02 rwhitby: that doesnt say much for NZ Aug 05 04:51:03 ;) Aug 05 04:51:16 swishy: they have sheep Aug 05 04:51:25 * swishy resides there Aug 05 04:51:33 rwhitby: I was meaning more the aussie being small Aug 05 04:51:35 hehe Aug 05 04:52:27 * rwhitby holds back on the sheep jokes, especially considering the topics earlier Aug 05 04:52:59 rwhitby: yeah wise move Aug 05 04:55:11 I am gonna hate tomorrow Aug 05 04:55:29 anyone wanna help watch a thread for an influx of homebrew newbies? Aug 05 04:57:37 Well, Im gonna go to sleep now. Nice meeting everyone! Goodnight! :) Aug 05 04:57:46 goodnight, sweet dreams Aug 05 04:57:49 :P! Aug 05 04:57:56 night Aug 05 04:57:57 Guess I'll go to bed with you Aug 05 04:58:03 good boy :P Aug 05 04:58:07 haha Aug 05 04:58:10 :$ Aug 05 04:58:16 cya guys Aug 05 04:58:20 bye Aug 05 04:58:36 rwhitby, haha i love the doctor who comment Aug 05 04:59:21 spdsktr, what thread... if it sparks my interest i'll help out Aug 05 04:59:43 jack87: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/255632-mini-app-request-periodically-pinging-vzw-gps-background.html Aug 05 05:00:00 app was approved fro app catalog an hour ago, uses patch for Verizon users Aug 05 05:02:59 spdsktr, I am not too familiar on the subject :-/ being on sprint :-/. By the way I love your flashcard app! Aug 05 05:03:41 spdsktr, I did purchase the full version! :) Aug 05 05:03:50 jack87: why ty Aug 05 05:04:04 jack87: but you know preware and how to use webOS Quick Install right? Aug 05 05:04:10 Everyone go buy the Logitech G700 and G930 for gaming Aug 05 05:04:23 spdsktr, oh ya... of course Aug 05 05:04:47 jack87: I'm sprint too, but still was able to dev this app and patch Aug 05 05:05:03 Just need help walking people through basic things, it will come Aug 05 05:06:02 oh sh*t they just need help installing it? Aug 05 05:07:37 alright folks chat later Aug 05 05:07:42 most likely... I get a lot of questions I find to be silly Aug 05 05:12:41 spdsktr, Ya I wouldnt mind helping I am catching up with the thread now Aug 05 05:12:58 * oil leaves most user support to rwhitby :) Aug 05 05:13:13 he's pretty good xD Aug 05 05:13:14 support is one of the more frustrating sides of things Aug 05 05:15:18 oil, hello oil! Aug 05 05:16:54 I used to always burn out pretty fast in my support jobs Aug 05 05:17:40 jack87: so what kernel you running these day ;) Aug 05 05:17:50 s/day/days?/ Aug 05 05:18:11 rwhitby, haha i been running uberkernel from release :) Aug 05 05:23:49 spdsktr, is NZ nav same as the telenav on sprint? Aug 05 05:23:58 anyone want to beta test a PDK app? Aug 05 05:24:13 audio step sequencer Aug 05 05:24:17 its fun Aug 05 05:24:59 spdsktr, haha you sound like a broken record on that thread Aug 05 05:25:14 spdsktr: you guys need to get oil on the devcast Aug 05 05:25:23 HORRIBLE IDEA Aug 05 05:25:24 jack87: I am a broken record in there, but yes, its like telenav on Sprint, but you have to pay for it Aug 05 05:25:25 lol Aug 05 05:25:31 it will go straight to his head Aug 05 05:25:36 oil: you wanna be on the devcast? Aug 05 05:25:49 spdsktr: then he can talk mojo with people who might understand what he's talking about Aug 05 05:25:54 depends on when you record it Aug 05 05:25:59 roflmao Aug 05 05:26:17 spdsktr: cause all I usually do is just cut and paste his code Aug 05 05:26:18 we do wednesday nights at 7 PST/8EST Aug 05 05:26:22 but we can accomodate Aug 05 05:26:44 what's the deal with this devcast Aug 05 05:26:47 i could probably make that Aug 05 05:27:20 spdsktr: make sure you get him to say "aussie" Aug 05 05:27:39 rwhitby: will get it for you Aug 05 05:27:44 * oil is totally going to say "webawsinternals" Aug 05 05:27:53 webaws Aug 05 05:28:09 codeslaw: what do you mean? Aug 05 05:28:44 oil: we are booked up for a few weeks with Palm peeps, but any specific topic you wanna go over? Advanced Mojo (austin powers style) Aug 05 05:28:47 wheres it at, whose on it Aug 05 05:29:03 codeslaw: just some guys talking palm dev on webOS Roundup Aug 05 05:29:07 idk who they are though Aug 05 05:29:12 lol Aug 05 05:29:19 heh word Aug 05 05:29:41 codeslaw: I heard they have some special guests lined up too Aug 05 05:30:05 how special are we talking Aug 05 05:30:11 i dont know, we can talk about whatever Aug 05 05:31:10 * oil just writes mojo for other peoples services/plugins :) Aug 05 05:31:32 oil: maybe we should get your other half then as well :) Aug 05 05:31:41 oil -- meet water Aug 05 05:31:57 spdsktr: oil did the mojo part of wIRC hybrid Aug 05 05:32:11 rwhitby: yup, I heard about that Aug 05 05:32:14 you could get puffy on there, he could tell you how he hates anything, lol Aug 05 05:32:22 oil: :) Aug 05 05:32:39 very interested in having a great hybrid session Aug 05 05:32:43 oil: they could ask him whether he has 1.4.5 yet Aug 05 05:33:15 codeslaw: pretty darn special really, you will want to hear what the guests have to say Aug 05 05:33:38 i see Aug 05 05:54:34 it's ridiculous how inefficient I used to be in coding Aug 05 05:54:43 http://pcgamingcorner.com/wordpress/ Aug 05 05:54:48 New Logi reviews are live Aug 05 05:55:17 almost done with a re-write of an app that took me months to make Aug 05 05:55:56 *sigh( Aug 05 06:04:40 oil: looks like a duet with you and rod on devcast, I'll contact you later and we'll schedule the official date/time, coo? Aug 05 06:04:49 yeah Aug 05 06:05:08 Ok, then good night all Aug 05 06:05:57 later Aug 05 06:11:30 goodnight spdsktr Aug 05 06:13:48 morning Aug 05 06:28:28 Good morning Aug 05 06:28:29 good morning hotdp Aug 05 06:29:12 morning hotdp Aug 05 06:29:15 morning dekan Aug 05 06:29:23 have you sleept swisstomcaT? Aug 05 06:29:25 got your coffee already, dekan? Aug 05 06:29:26 I don't know Aug 05 06:29:43 * hotdp has just got he's first cup Aug 05 06:29:43 sure, many hours Aug 05 06:30:53 pie Aug 05 07:48:14 Has anyone seen the post on P|C of the user saying he has gotten the 1.4.5 us update? His username is Manordwall... Would they slowly 'leak' the release to select users or what? Aug 05 07:49:08 yeah, saw it Aug 05 07:49:39 think its legit or no? Aug 05 07:51:20 *shrug* what do i know Aug 05 08:21:06 * rwhitby is skeptical Aug 05 08:21:21 historically, in the US, it's been a flood, not a trickle. Aug 05 08:21:59 the only trickles I can remember have been unlocked devices in unsupported countries Aug 05 08:23:19 yeah, e.g the vietnam guy Aug 05 08:30:46 hmm... Aug 05 08:31:07 should i use Ajax.request, or JQuery.ajax, ... Aug 05 08:32:15 most use ajax.request i think Aug 05 08:32:27 (from prototype) Aug 05 08:32:43 right, that comes w/ mojo... Aug 05 08:33:15 but then i am seeing newers apps using jquery Aug 05 08:33:30 it's a switch Aug 05 08:37:38 but then you have to implement jquery right? Aug 05 08:38:57 why? just drop it in javascripts/ and add it to sources.json Aug 05 08:39:16 (in theory) Aug 05 08:39:35 yer that was what i ment Aug 05 08:39:48 but if you only use it for request, then why use it? Aug 05 08:40:44 yes... good Qs. what else can i use it for? Aug 05 08:41:34 Jquery is super nice Aug 05 08:41:56 but a simple request? i don't see why you should use jQuery Aug 05 08:43:09 well, it's got powerful selectors... nice if you're dealing with raw div instead of widgets Aug 05 08:45:02 yer i know Aug 05 08:45:27 but my point is, if you dont have jQuery for some other reason i don't see why you should use it for a request? Aug 05 08:45:39 i guess i'll hold off on it for now. for now i only need ajax.request Aug 05 08:45:51 indeed Aug 05 08:46:04 i use jQuery for request at work Aug 05 08:46:16 but that is just because it is so easy Aug 05 08:46:23 i don't "win" anything Aug 05 08:47:01 ic Aug 05 08:48:39 say, is anyone building facebook apps? the official facebook client for webos isn't releasing their src (yet) Aug 05 08:48:51 and there's no official webos sdk from facebook either Aug 05 08:52:47 i thought that they have release parts of it Aug 05 08:53:11 oh?! is it on github already Aug 05 08:54:49 i can't even find an ipk to deploy to emulator Aug 05 08:54:50 hrmm... Aug 05 08:57:18 http://github.com/palm/webos-samples/tree/master/tipsAndTricks/ Aug 05 08:57:50 thanks! i'll check it out Aug 05 09:06:26 morning warpdesign Aug 05 09:13:53 morning swisstomcat Aug 05 10:05:09 hi guys ... weird error occured ... i have used "commandMenu" in 2 consecutive scenes ... when i pop 2nd scene ... the selected item is carried to 1st scene ... is it a bug n frmaework ... or i'm adoing wrong? Aug 05 10:06:05 hi Aug 05 10:06:30 how is the command-menu set up? Aug 05 10:06:59 through setupWidget Aug 05 10:07:10 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.commandMenu, this.attributes = {}, courseMapNavModel); Aug 05 10:07:49 and where is courseMapNavModel defined? Aug 05 10:08:43 on same controller ... Aug 05 10:09:20 on another scene .. i have defined ... like .. this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.commandMenu, this.attributes = {}, courseInfoNavModel); Aug 05 10:09:40 but the items in both scenes are same ... Aug 05 10:10:30 hmm Aug 05 10:10:38 describe "the selected item is carried to 1st scene" Aug 05 10:14:10 swisstomcat: http://webos.pastebin.com/xDRBR958 Aug 05 10:14:21 this is how i'm implementing Aug 05 10:15:15 ok Aug 05 10:16:21 that's looks ok Aug 05 10:16:27 but what happens if you pop the 2nd scene? Aug 05 10:17:26 toggleCmd value is carried to 1st scene Aug 05 10:17:50 where is toggleCmd in that code? Aug 05 10:18:47 we need to set one item to highlight .. we use toggleCmd .. right? Aug 05 10:20:03 there are 2 item in commanMenu ... on 1st scene .. first item is selected and on 2nd scene ..secounf item is selected Aug 05 10:20:39 i see Aug 05 10:20:47 then when i popUp 2nd scene ... and comes to 1st scene ... 2nd item is selected Aug 05 10:21:25 i don't known how this carried between scenes ... Aug 05 10:28:14 strange Aug 05 10:28:19 rehi Aug 05 10:28:42 Sounds like the new blackberry is not "the shit" Aug 05 10:30:41 swisstomcat: i don't where i'm going wrong ... Aug 05 10:32:05 raghuk looks like he left Aug 05 10:33:54 hotdp: ooh ... ok Aug 05 10:35:18 hotdp: did u had this werid error? Aug 05 10:43:00 what error? Aug 05 11:19:52 rehi Aug 05 11:27:13 hi swisstomcat, fyi: [12:30] swisstomcat: i don't where i'm going wrong ... Aug 05 11:27:35 oh Aug 05 11:27:42 are you still here, raghuk? Aug 05 11:41:39 raghuk: you define your menu model in setup() Aug 05 11:41:55 then to go to scene 2 you push the second button, right? Aug 05 11:59:17 morning haeffb Aug 05 12:28:09 yea Aug 05 12:28:28 morning haeffb Aug 05 12:30:19 i was trying in various ways ... but couldn't solve it till now ... Aug 05 12:30:47 any solution guys ? Aug 05 13:37:03 rehi Aug 05 13:41:14 20 left Aug 05 13:41:16 min Aug 05 13:51:39 morning all Aug 05 13:52:40 morning hattczech Aug 05 13:57:25 morning hattczech Aug 05 14:02:53 bbl Aug 05 14:30:09 morning all Aug 05 14:30:25 morning lonestar Aug 05 14:31:38 morning swisstomcat , going 2 beach with my brother in abit Aug 05 14:31:45 sounds good Aug 05 14:31:54 i guess no coding today... Aug 05 14:31:57 i'm working on displaying a route on a map Aug 05 14:33:24 nice, what map api? Aug 05 14:33:39 Hey swisstomcat, do you have it working already? I will take the same subject in approximately a week.. Aug 05 14:33:48 yeah, almost Aug 05 14:34:03 just need to get the coordinates of the points from a DB Aug 05 14:34:15 lonestar: google maps v3 Aug 05 14:34:44 oh very cool! I was wondering if v3 is capable of doing it this way ... Aug 05 14:34:57 I already have the point in the db. Aug 05 14:35:01 points Aug 05 14:35:22 well, im just drawing a line between the points Aug 05 14:35:32 and adding some markers and infowindows Aug 05 14:35:48 So you're doing a poly line with v3, right? Aug 05 14:35:51 yeah Aug 05 14:35:59 Oh already answered...sorry Aug 05 14:36:24 Great to hear that this works out Aug 05 14:36:50 the data comes from a public transport timetable query Aug 05 14:37:30 Do you took a webview for the map? Aug 05 14:37:38 no Aug 05 14:37:42 a canvas Aug 05 14:38:24 that's very good! Because I'm using the canvas already to display other gps information. Aug 05 14:39:00 this.map = new google.maps.Map(this.controller.get("map_canvas"),myOptions); Aug 05 14:39:41 swiss, you're sent from heaven, I didn't imagine to get so much info about that so soon :) Aug 05 14:39:56 I'll test that in half an our Aug 05 14:40:19 cool Aug 05 14:40:38 i've based most of my stuff on other available code Aug 05 14:40:46 Are you still online in half an hour? Aug 05 14:40:59 yeah, i think so Aug 05 14:41:23 Cool, I'll write if I'm starting to code Aug 05 14:45:28 Hi everybody Aug 05 14:45:31 need to make some weed tea brb Aug 05 14:45:35 JK Aug 05 14:45:54 heh Aug 05 14:45:55 hi robdor Aug 05 15:08:19 morning peeps Aug 05 15:08:54 morning sugardave Aug 05 15:11:55 yay, my php-script is spitting out valid json Aug 05 15:12:15 huzzah! Aug 05 15:12:30 Do you have any idea why my log is giving me " Could not instantiate widget ' ', since it has not been set up" as soon as I wipe the menu in? Aug 05 15:12:35 I'm thinking of going with node.js for my next cloud solution Aug 05 15:12:42 but there is a teeny problem Aug 05 15:13:07 regular Ajax.Request won't trip the HTTP stream listener in node.js. You have to use XHR. Aug 05 15:13:09 yeah, node.js seems very cool .. especially because it's coming to webos Aug 05 15:13:28 in the simple testing I've done so far Aug 05 15:13:38 swisstomcat: yeah, it's pretty cool to be able to write server-side js Aug 05 15:13:39 halfhalo has done some cool stuff Aug 05 15:14:01 yeah, he helped me find the bginning Aug 05 15:14:06 beginning, too Aug 05 15:14:25 plasmasolutions: how are you setting up the menu? Aug 05 15:14:50 plasmasolutions: I get that a lot...not sure why/how to fix Aug 05 15:15:33 i've seen that too now that you ask Aug 05 15:15:34 hmm Aug 05 15:15:43 ok off to the beach --> chat laters Aug 05 15:15:59 have fun Aug 05 15:17:00 thanks Aug 05 15:17:00 cu Aug 05 15:18:58 oh no, it's you again Aug 05 15:19:48 Indeed, here to torment you Aug 05 15:20:07 Its my new hobby Aug 05 15:21:07 Cause you make it so darn fun Aug 05 15:23:11 okay, I think I'm on track for "feature-complete" beta delivery tomorrow. Good thing I explained how ugly it's going to be :D Aug 05 15:23:47 which app? Aug 05 15:24:31 whatnowboutnode? Aug 05 15:24:40 it's the "I can't believe sugardave is doing that" app Aug 05 15:25:34 oh noes Aug 05 15:25:55 how does toJSON work again for logging? Aug 05 15:26:03 all I can say is I made this thing to support 100s if not 1000s of terms....it's up to the client now Aug 05 15:26:11 to do the right thing Aug 05 15:26:20 swisstomcat: Object.toJSON(object); Aug 05 15:26:27 at least only one app :) Aug 05 15:26:33 thanks Aug 05 15:26:55 swisstomcat: for logging there's an easier way... Aug 05 15:26:56 raghuk: still around? Aug 05 15:26:58 well, I made one app...I'm sure there are going to be more than one copy. at least spanish and chinese Aug 05 15:27:07 Mojo.Log.info("%j", jsonObject); Aug 05 15:27:15 oh Aug 05 15:27:21 I never use that because I always forget :D Aug 05 15:27:30 crapp....... Aug 05 15:27:40 makes it easier so you don't have to convert it Aug 05 15:27:46 just throw variabled at the log Aug 05 15:27:47 dump truck ib front of my driveway Aug 05 15:27:50 variables* Aug 05 15:28:02 let me try Aug 05 15:28:12 halfhalo: take a dump on the truck... show them a lesson Aug 05 15:28:39 yay Aug 05 15:29:52 Repaving the street Aug 05 15:30:05 of COURSE they stop in front of my street Aug 05 15:30:23 s/street/house Aug 05 15:30:32 "Kal: I don't know what you're talking about hunny, sugardave seems like a nice guy to me." Aug 05 15:30:43 fool Aug 05 15:32:32 just seems, anivrom ;) Aug 05 15:32:36 http://pcgamingcorner.com/wordpress/?p=2764 new mouse review Aug 05 15:32:37 Lol. Jk, I only say good things about you Aug 05 15:33:44 HA Aug 05 15:33:51 porsche hit the dirt pile Aug 05 15:34:14 Lol! Worst drivers buy the best cars Aug 05 15:34:25 yay, it's working Aug 05 15:34:31 route displayed on the map Aug 05 15:34:34 I would never buy a porsche. Not my style Aug 05 15:34:56 Now, a shelby gt500, different story Aug 05 15:35:05 steal a porsche more your style? Aug 05 15:35:10 swisstomcat: sweet...now if I ever get BT access I can work on one of my early ideas and I will need mapping....I will bother you :D Aug 05 15:35:32 sure :) Aug 05 15:35:41 July reports still not available. Aug 05 15:35:46 Heh. sorta made my phone blank the screen when the app menu is pulled down Aug 05 15:35:47 even the zoomlevel is correct based on the bounding box Aug 05 15:35:56 nice Aug 05 15:36:21 geodata comes from a database, converted to json Aug 05 15:36:31 * swisstomcat does a happy dance Aug 05 15:36:59 \o/ Aug 05 15:37:11 I need to figure out what I did to make my daughter's tablet work in Ubuntu...wife accidentally upgraded the kernel the other day Aug 05 15:37:14 oops Aug 05 15:37:27 what tablet Aug 05 15:37:35 and json geodata=win Aug 05 15:37:41 wacom bamboo (fun? I think) Aug 05 15:37:45 I was playing with a node server that did that Aug 05 15:37:52 the medium size usb one with touch Aug 05 15:38:00 ah, nice Aug 05 15:38:02 i made my php script to spit out json Aug 05 15:38:54 * haeffb gets fiber installed today Aug 05 15:39:02 * sugardave is jealous. Aug 05 15:39:14 whoa Aug 05 15:40:05 upgrading from EVDO to 10MB fiber Aug 05 15:40:49 * haeffb going to add a Mojo.Log.info wrapper in my next app. Aug 05 15:41:18 if debug(Mojo.Log.info(string)); Aug 05 15:41:48 10mb fiber? you don't need fiber for that Aug 05 15:41:57 I do here Aug 05 15:42:11 have you seen the logging examples on palm's github page? Aug 05 15:42:18 lots of stuff is buried there Aug 05 15:42:22 options are 56k dialup, satellite, EVDO. and now fiber Aug 05 15:42:29 probably no one knows about Aug 05 15:43:20 swisstomcat: like what? Aug 05 15:43:26 Meh, I get 15mb cable Aug 05 15:43:31 at least Aug 05 15:43:42 and then 100mb fiber at work Aug 05 15:43:51 well, at least I think it 100mb Aug 05 15:43:53 hattczech: cache manager,operation queue,pages lists,... Aug 05 15:44:56 most is from the facebook app Aug 05 15:48:51 10MB is the max they will do for residential accouns Aug 05 15:48:56 no cable here Aug 05 15:48:58 no DSL here Aug 05 15:50:12 hi Aug 05 15:52:13 that sounds like interesting stuff Aug 05 15:52:25 haeffb: how much? Aug 05 15:52:34 (for the 10MB) Aug 05 15:52:39 I _only_ have cable here. no dsl, fiber, nutin Aug 05 15:52:46 $60 Aug 05 15:53:01 i keep switching back and forth between cable and DSL... about to make the switch back to DSL :) Aug 05 15:53:01 My internet company offers 30mbps for 75 I think Aug 05 15:53:07 not bad Aug 05 15:53:39 they want me to bundle cable, phone & internet, but all I need is internet Aug 05 15:53:45 oh lol Aug 05 15:53:48 The thing that kills me is the new bandwidth overusage charges, $2 a gb Aug 05 15:54:03 the buldozer guy just popped up on two tires only Aug 05 15:54:25 Yea I've seen that Aug 05 15:54:57 The litte bobcat you mean? Aug 05 15:55:10 Not so little. Aug 05 15:55:19 phail Aug 05 15:55:23 and it was not so little Aug 05 15:55:25 haeffb: what is if debug()? Aug 05 15:55:27 meh, no bandwith limits Aug 05 15:55:30 full sized Aug 05 15:55:36 if (debug) ... Aug 05 15:55:40 Indeed, I popped the card and then swiped it Aug 05 15:55:43 oh Aug 05 15:56:16 that's kinda what i do... except for my deployed code... i just remove all of my Log.info lines Aug 05 15:56:32 swisstomcat do you have a link to logging examples? Aug 05 15:56:52 I write code, use my debug methods, then when ready, remove my debug from sources, then find all instances of "debug" and remove them Aug 05 15:57:02 HattCzech_work: I've commented all of mine, but it's a pain when you need to goback to debug Aug 05 15:57:24 and then I don't test it again Aug 05 15:57:25 ever Aug 05 15:58:06 Heh Aug 05 15:58:06 ooh. better plan than mine! Aug 05 15:58:24 "too bad, customer. it works for me." Aug 05 15:58:45 yep, I'm hardcore and mean like that Aug 05 15:58:56 "you must be doing something wrong" Aug 05 15:59:07 it's my new software line "Punishing Software" Aug 05 15:59:20 haeffb: i have a horrible way of deploying... Aug 05 15:59:28 it involves heavy use of winmerge :) Aug 05 16:00:32 i have my code i test with... then i have a copy of it without the logging Aug 05 16:00:43 morning, chuqui Aug 05 16:00:47 morning, all Aug 05 16:01:08 Morning Aug 05 16:02:33 HattCzech_work: what benefit would there be running 2 copies like that? Aug 05 16:03:36 Anivrom|pre: there's not really... just cleaner code when deployed Aug 05 16:03:50 i should really make a script that removes them, but i haven't yet Aug 05 16:03:54 I see. Aug 05 16:05:23 maybe easier to just write a script to replace [tab]Mojo.Log with [tab]\\Mojo.Log Aug 05 16:05:39 yeah, i just never got around to it :) hahaha Aug 05 16:05:41 and versa vice Aug 05 16:06:14 i HAD some scripts to compress it, but i somehow managed to lose them Aug 05 16:06:18 How's that: You write your own method that does sth. like if (globalDebugFlagSet) Mojo.log.info(...) Aug 05 16:06:32 it removed all spaces, tabs, end lines, logging, etc Aug 05 16:07:06 everywhere you'd like to log, just use your own...when deploying set the debug flag to false Aug 05 16:07:37 plasmasolutions: that will not write to the log, but the code is still there Aug 05 16:07:54 i prefer my deployed code to not have it visible at all Aug 05 16:08:09 even though it doesn't really matter Aug 05 16:08:13 * haeffb assumes if(false) is faster than Mojo.Log.info(aString); Aug 05 16:08:13 just a cleanliness thing Aug 05 16:08:17 * sugardave looks at the source for his first app. "Wow, that's horrible." Aug 05 16:08:49 * haeffb obliterated the code for my first app by using a blowtorch on the entire PC. It was that bad. Aug 05 16:08:53 * HattCzech_work thinks the same thing about TXT Manager (first webOS app) Aug 05 16:08:59 lol Aug 05 16:09:18 we didn't use that wing of the house much, anyhow. Aug 05 16:09:32 * Anivrom|pre is currently working on his first app, and concurs withthe general feelings being said Aug 05 16:09:41 i've segmented my code now so i can use the same stuff for both of my apps, but now i just need to get around to redoing it Aug 05 16:10:08 My code is so bloated. Aug 05 16:10:28 Mainly cause I don't know the eficiencies in javascript Aug 05 16:11:54 Atleast that's what I tell myself Aug 05 16:12:35 i haven't gotten into the hardcore performance stuff yet, but i try to make it as lightweight as possible Aug 05 16:12:43 (and fail in many instances) ;) Aug 05 16:12:54 Lol Aug 05 16:13:55 Sometimes I don't think something through and I start a particular feature witha poor model, whicj generates errors/problems later. Aug 05 16:14:12 var logIt = function (inString) { if (MyAPP.debug) Mojo.Log.info(inString)}; Aug 05 16:15:23 Wouldn't calling that function introduce overhead? Aug 05 16:15:48 Although minimal , might add up Aug 05 16:15:58 more than Mojo.Log? Aug 05 16:16:02 This jne - instruction is fast as hell, you won't notice it Aug 05 16:16:34 More than saving a copy of your app with debug in then deploying a copy with it out Aug 05 16:17:27 Jus sayin Aug 05 16:17:32 * plasmasolutions says thumbs up Aug 05 16:18:27 That's the way everyone should write programs - there would be some enormous speed increase everywhere! Aug 05 16:18:44 I understand you're trying to alleviate the hassle of going thrroug thousands of lines getting rid of log lines though Aug 05 16:19:54 meh, my debugString method checks for Mojo.Log.info and Mojo.Log.error, then reverts to console.log if they don't exist. I feel the overhead is next to nothing, and it's insanely helpful during app dev Aug 05 16:20:35 I don't use logs in the first place, I just breakpoint in, snoop around in the variables and then make canges Aug 05 16:20:39 dawm has mentioned the overhead for Mojo.Log in the past. some number of millisecs for each call...? Aug 05 16:20:50 Anivrom|pre: how do you do that? Aug 05 16:20:59 you and your fancy debugger! Aug 05 16:21:00 HattCzech_work: ares Aug 05 16:21:15 ahhh, what happens when you want to make a real app? ;) Aug 05 16:21:27 he loses the debugger Aug 05 16:21:30 haeffb: hence the "remove all that shit before deploying" phase of app dev Aug 05 16:21:35 Ares4life *winks at sugardave* cha ching Aug 05 16:21:41 haeffb: Bazinga! Aug 05 16:21:48 er HattCzech_work Aug 05 16:22:12 i just hate having extra crap in deployed code Aug 05 16:22:33 i could care less in code i'm working on, but it's a compulsive issue of mine Aug 05 16:22:50 Well when I publish my game you can let me know if its a real app or not Aug 05 16:22:51 (crap includes any // or /* ... */ as well) Aug 05 16:23:17 ...? a game? using ares? Aug 05 16:23:29 i'm already impressed Aug 05 16:24:14 it's called "Click These Ads!" Aug 05 16:24:27 ooohhhhh! sounds like a good idea Aug 05 16:24:31 and it uses the AdMob SDK Aug 05 16:24:35 hahahaha Aug 05 16:24:58 Yea.... Ares is the same as straight mojo Aug 05 16:26:22 sup guys Aug 05 16:26:53 hey torchie Aug 05 16:27:10 * sugardave looks through Mojo for the automatic widget setup magic that keeps you from doing things like set formatters for list attributes. Aug 05 16:27:19 hmmm, not seeing it Aug 05 16:28:24 Hey we figured out formatters. I just haven't figured it out yet Aug 05 16:28:42 Its the onformat method that's key Aug 05 16:28:56 yeah, sounds exactly the same.... Aug 05 16:29:07 oh wait Aug 05 16:29:09 no it doesn't Aug 05 16:29:32 * Anivrom|pre cries from the emotional abuse Aug 05 16:38:58 Can someone tell me, why there is no activate event when our palm is turned on again after a display timeout? Aug 05 16:39:30 is there supposed to be one? Aug 05 16:39:42 No, but I need it so much Aug 05 16:39:44 :) Aug 05 16:39:50 Lol Aug 05 16:39:52 sorry :( Aug 05 16:39:54 How do I recognize that the device has been turned on again ? Aug 05 16:40:00 Is there a way? Aug 05 16:40:00 Well there is Aug 05 16:40:13 Ohoho Aug 05 16:40:29 Give it to me :) Aug 05 16:40:45 Uberkernel uses it Aug 05 16:40:45 But I think its low level c stuff Aug 05 16:40:47 you could check the display brightness, but i'm not sure whether theres an official api for that Aug 05 16:41:35 Is the brightness zero when the device is off? Aug 05 16:41:43 Does anyone know how to edit the key bindings for tab switching in komodo, I cant find it in the key bindings list Aug 05 16:48:13 Anyone who has "black" colors for eclipse? Aug 05 16:50:42 What do you mean by "black" colors? Aug 05 16:51:00 black theme i have on vs Aug 05 16:51:06 like black bagground Aug 05 16:51:13 and colors for text ect Aug 05 16:51:22 ah...ok, sorry I can't help you on that... Aug 05 16:51:30 white background kills my eye Aug 05 16:51:32 s Aug 05 16:51:34 :) Aug 05 16:51:59 I used to have... Aug 05 16:52:54 hotdp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/96981/color-themes-for-eclipse Aug 05 16:53:26 thx, have googled it Aug 05 16:53:34 but all my results where crappy Aug 05 16:55:09 but that is usefull Aug 05 16:56:16 Sugardave: was setting up a horizontal scroller difficult? In ares I think you just toggle an option from vertical to horizontal Aug 05 16:56:29 I might ned one Aug 05 16:58:52 you know Aug 05 16:59:16 despite everything else, at least blackberry has (apparently) amazing battery life Aug 05 17:00:20 Anivrom|pre: that's one thing Ares has that I covet...the easy horizontal scroller Aug 05 17:00:31 but, I've mastered it now in Mojo, so.... Aug 05 17:00:52 my wife is watching the Christoper Walken/Blue Oyster Cult SNL skit Aug 05 17:02:10 the hard part about the scrollers is snap-elements Aug 05 17:02:30 and the missing VERY IMPORTANT model option called 'snapIndex' Aug 05 17:03:09 Well can't you use snapTo? Aug 05 17:03:42 yes, but if you don't have snapIndex set when the scroller is setup, you can fast-flick the whole scroller contents Aug 05 17:03:47 that's Not Good(tm) Aug 05 17:05:04 * Anivrom|pre finally builds up the courage to ask what (tm) means Aug 05 17:05:17 hahahahaha!!! Aug 05 17:05:25 * haeffb laughs at Anivrom|pre! Aug 05 17:05:29 hehehehehe! Aug 05 17:05:38 LOLOLOL Aug 05 17:05:43 trademark Aug 05 17:05:46 Rooooofl Aug 05 17:05:55 Besides trademark -_- Aug 05 17:06:15 Thought it was a little deeper than that Aug 05 17:06:22 nope Aug 05 17:06:26 low-hanging fruit Aug 05 17:06:28 O Aug 05 17:06:30 maybe so, but if so it's deeper than me! Aug 05 17:06:38 * haeffb needs a samwich Aug 05 17:06:44 That's what she said Aug 05 17:07:05 did lemketron ever have to kick anybody last night? Aug 05 17:07:28 Not that I saw why? Aug 05 17:07:40 just curious Aug 05 17:07:59 What reason would he have? Aug 05 17:08:53 who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of mods? Aug 05 17:09:16 Anivrom, you can change nick to hotTM then i can get a good laugh .. Aug 05 17:09:20 Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn Aug 05 17:09:30 *dkirker slips into the shadows Aug 05 17:10:07 I don't get it Aug 05 17:11:46 Dun dun dunnnnnnn Aug 05 17:12:03 Shhhh he's here Aug 05 17:12:11 * dkirker hides Aug 05 17:12:16 woo, it's naplunch time Aug 05 17:12:27 Into the shadows? Aug 05 17:12:37 mmmm, I just got to work, but that sounds like a genius idea! Aug 05 17:13:13 Dkirker: what do you do for a living again? Aug 05 17:13:17 thanks to the miracle of modern technology, haeffb now has TWO samwiches Aug 05 17:14:20 Anivrom|pre: software engineering, system engineering, network engineering. I'm an engineer of sorts. :) Aug 05 17:14:39 Noiceness Aug 05 17:19:07 * Anivrom|pre can't wait to listen to tonights podcast Aug 05 17:19:58 samwiches now gone Aug 05 17:20:43 I'm about to put some mccain mini pizzas in the microwave, woot Aug 05 17:36:00 * Anivrom|pre has the sudden urge to youtube fresh prince of belair clips Aug 05 17:41:54 is there any way to upgrade my phone to 1.4.5? i'm on at&t Aug 05 17:42:30 * haeffb adding a "custom" field to my database so that I can store whatever JSON object I want in there. Aug 05 17:43:34 Haeffb: can't you already store jsons in db's? Aug 05 17:44:19 yep, but my db has defined fields. If I want to add something later, just stick it in custom Aug 05 17:46:12 Clearly doesn't know enoug about db's to find this out of the ordinary Aug 05 17:46:55 ./me Aug 05 17:50:48 haeffb: hi ... i'm now Aug 05 17:51:20 still having the toggle issue? Aug 05 17:51:42 yea :( Aug 05 17:53:18 what's happening is that your toggleCmd setting is changed when you push the "info" scene button Aug 05 17:53:28 you just need to change it back on activate() Aug 05 17:54:23 haeffb: http://github.com/palm/webos-samples/tree/master/tipsAndTricks/debug-logging/ Aug 05 17:54:37 i think someone should organize those samples a bit Aug 05 17:54:50 haeffb: should i setupWidget again ? Aug 05 17:55:06 hang on, trying to find example code... Aug 05 17:58:58 1) you could use swapScene() instead of pushing info scene. then swapScene() to go back. Aug 05 18:00:23 2) you can redefine your courseInfoNavModel in activate() then call this.controller.modelChanged(this.courseInfoNavModel); Aug 05 18:00:41 but to do 2) you have to change from var courseInfoNavModel to this.courseInfoNavModel in your setup(). Aug 05 18:01:26 haeffb: hmmm ... i think i have tried 2) .. let me try 1) Aug 05 18:01:49 and actually all you'd have to change in the model is this.courseInfoNavModel.items.toggleCmd = "show-info" Aug 05 18:02:35 raghuk: 1) eliminates the possibility of using the back gesture. The toggle is the only way to switch from one scene to the other. Aug 05 18:02:45 (for those two scenes) Aug 05 18:07:15 haeffb: tried 1) ... still the same ... let me try once agin 2) Aug 05 18:08:33 impossible. Aug 05 18:09:49 if you're pushing the scene fresh, through swapScene(), it has to look the same each time. Aug 05 18:10:33 haeffb: no the scene is in the stack Aug 05 18:10:48 not if you swapScene() Aug 05 18:10:57 Unless he's loading data from outside the scene that has changed since Aug 05 18:11:11 swapScene pops the current and replaces it with the new Aug 05 18:11:57 do you define the courseMapNavModel in the scene's setup() or elsewhere? Aug 05 18:12:00 Raghuk: what he's saying is it destroys the scene and rebuilds it via setup() when pushed again Aug 05 18:12:36 i have did everything in setup() Aug 05 18:13:14 then in your handleCommand, when you get the show-map command, you swapScene to the map scene? Aug 05 18:13:18 Although when I popScene it doesn't destroy my timers... Aug 05 18:14:09 are they defined as local vars? Aug 05 18:14:51 woo! installer on the way! Aug 05 18:14:58 Me? Aug 05 18:15:05 yes Aug 05 18:15:07 your timers Aug 05 18:15:26 haeffb: yes .. i just say ... this.controller.stageController.swapScene('show-map'); Aug 05 18:15:29 * haeffb doesn't know if that would make a difference or not. Aug 05 18:15:38 Acutally, I don think so, idk how to create scene scope vars. Aug 05 18:15:51 raghuk: and then in the show map assistant you do the same thing? Aug 05 18:16:10 Anivrom|pre: this.xxxx Aug 05 18:17:07 Ouside my constructor I put this.myVar instead of myVar? Aug 05 18:17:22 no, it's inside the constructor Aug 05 18:17:35 or in one of the methods of the constructor Aug 05 18:17:41 In what function Aug 05 18:17:55 Any I guess? Aug 05 18:18:00 anytime you do this.xxx it's a property of the assistant Aug 05 18:18:08 Ok Aug 05 18:18:21 unless you're in a different class Aug 05 18:18:25 right Aug 05 18:18:32 or your scope is screwed up and you forgot to .bind() Aug 05 18:18:34 haeffb: no Aug 05 18:18:57 raghuk: that's a critical part of option 1) Aug 05 18:18:59 That's prolly the issue then. It gets assigned to my stage which means it is permanent Aug 05 18:19:18 or global Aug 05 18:19:23 haeffb: i call pushScene('show-info') in show map scene Aug 05 18:19:26 Yea samet thin :P Aug 05 18:19:48 oilsworkn: when you pop a scene, do all the properties/methods get destroyed? Aug 05 18:20:03 mostly? Aug 05 18:20:16 close enough Aug 05 18:20:19 lol Aug 05 18:20:37 i think it destroys that object Aug 05 18:20:41 raghuk: use swapScene there too. Aug 05 18:20:55 well, if it doesn't, it should. Aug 05 18:21:08 Yea really Aug 05 18:21:38 Gonna play some jump o' clock.. Weeeeee Aug 05 18:21:44 Fun game Aug 05 18:21:58 Bah nvm, I'd have to restart luna Aug 05 18:22:28 They really squeeze as much ram outta you as possible Aug 05 18:24:27 use uberkernel and TMC be gone Aug 05 18:25:08 Uberkernel = no warranty Aug 05 18:26:01 they repaired my phone that had UK on it .. touchscreen was failing Aug 05 18:27:31 you can also run UK at 500mhz Aug 05 18:28:32 Yea I know. Don't wanna take my chances Aug 05 18:28:33 I was running uk for amonth so I know what its capable of Aug 05 18:29:13 fair enough Aug 05 18:29:39 how does Mojo.Log parse the input string? Aug 05 18:30:27 @800mhz the ui is as smooth as iphone Aug 05 18:30:41 i run mine at 720mhz Aug 05 18:31:10 Haeffb: Very carelessly Aug 05 18:34:31 log.js Aug 05 18:35:39 Right now you can use %s, %d, %f, %i, %o and %j. Aug 05 18:40:52 anyone want to check this and tell me how many threads there are? http://forums.precentral.net/hattczech-solutions/ Aug 05 18:42:46 2 Aug 05 18:45:18 okay, excellent Aug 05 18:45:30 i see 3, but i'm the moderator, and i had to delete one Aug 05 18:50:39 Nyceane: Were you able to rotate your OpenGL surface to landscape mode? I posted the code I use to do it in ES 1.1 on webos101 last night. It may help shed some light on things if you haven't already found the answer. Aug 05 18:51:35 Robdor, where did you post it? Aug 05 18:51:42 I was just about to give up lol Aug 05 18:52:04 http://webos101.com/OpenGL_ES_1.1_rotate_to_landscape_mode Aug 05 18:52:10 thanks Robdor Aug 05 18:52:27 No problem, it should be similar in 2.0. Aug 05 18:59:13 * Anivrom|pre yells roooobdooooooor using his best trogdor voice Aug 05 18:59:31 :) Aug 05 18:59:57 He's a man.... Aug 05 19:00:03 Wait no, he's a drgon Aug 05 19:00:16 Wait no, he's a .... Dragon man! Aug 05 19:02:27 http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html Aug 05 19:03:04 * Anivrom|pre never knows where to touch the gesture area for copy paste and ends up erasing data Aug 05 19:04:35 * HattCzech_work hates is when that happens Aug 05 19:07:17 Such as website links, makin you load the website again just to get it back Aug 05 19:07:34 uhoh. the install hits a snag. Aug 05 19:07:47 Dun dun dunnnnnn Aug 05 19:08:12 has to go back to town to get a light meter...no light coming in. Aug 05 19:16:04 I just thought of an amazing idea for my game. I love it when that happens! Aug 05 19:17:17 A "killer feature" if you will Aug 05 19:29:35 Anivrom|pre: but not a "feature killer"? Aug 05 19:29:41 or, dare i say, "future killer" Aug 05 19:30:12 hai Aug 05 19:30:16 Lol Aug 05 19:30:22 hey codeslaw Aug 05 19:30:24 hi codeslaw__ Aug 05 19:30:33 sup swisstomcat, dkirker Aug 05 19:30:40 yay, i can draw multi-step routes on a map Aug 05 19:30:51 woot Aug 05 19:31:02 \o/ Aug 05 19:31:09 with data from the public transport timetable Aug 05 19:31:17 Through the api alone? Aug 05 19:31:30 google maps api Aug 05 19:31:48 Allows routing? Nice Aug 05 19:31:55 get data -> convert to geodata -> draw on map Aug 05 19:31:56 so, running 1.4.11 on my phone.. anyone know why I my PDK app holds at the flashing icon screen when i run from the launcher Aug 05 19:32:05 i have type set to "game", since its not 1.4.5 Aug 05 19:33:29 any log entries? Aug 05 19:37:13 Hey all! Aug 05 19:37:19 Anivrom|pre Aug 05 19:38:38 12345 Aug 05 19:39:51 ? Aug 05 19:41:55 Kesne! Aug 05 19:42:15 woo haven't done this in a while Aug 05 19:42:16 CTLAdvance! Aug 05 19:42:25 torchie_pre! Aug 05 19:42:53 man I was usin a friend's evo and I was like Aug 05 19:42:54 maaaan Aug 05 19:42:59 where your froyo at Aug 05 19:43:04 dekan Aug 05 19:43:16 CTLAdvance: hows life? Aug 05 19:43:22 busy as hell Aug 05 19:44:20 Heh Aug 05 19:44:27 I know the feeling Aug 05 19:44:45 I love wirc Aug 05 19:44:46 no... you dont ;) Aug 05 19:44:58 I'd like it more if it didn't kill my battery Aug 05 19:45:09 CTLAdvance: yes... I do ;) Aug 05 19:45:36 I would like it if I could get a new device with a 4" touch screen.... and TOTL harware... or better Aug 05 19:46:09 Heh Aug 05 19:46:19 hah I love how I can just ignore the calendar notification andjust keep typing Aug 05 19:46:23 I want new hardware too Aug 05 19:46:26 We can only wish though Aug 05 19:46:38 mmm Aug 05 19:46:42 I really need a pad of some kind Aug 05 19:46:46 hard to decide Aug 05 19:46:55 a palmpad, blackpad, or ipad Aug 05 19:47:01 I wish I had a window pad Aug 05 19:47:09 I'd be all over the palmpad Aug 05 19:47:11 codeslaw__: upgrade to 1.4.5? :) Aug 05 19:47:28 why are they using the name pad and not tablet? :/ Aug 05 19:47:30 will all my contacts remain? Aug 05 19:47:36 when i doctor? Aug 05 19:47:39 i thought we all mocked the iPAD Aug 05 19:47:45 I wanna dev for a tablet, but not one from apple, rim, or microsoft Aug 05 19:47:52 nor one that runs android Aug 05 19:47:56 codeslaw__: as long as they're synced, yes Aug 05 19:47:58 because a wife may say I need pads, and just like that 500 - 1500 worth of hardware is sold Aug 05 19:48:06 mine are through google (some through palm profile) Aug 05 19:48:06 cuz i'm a silly goose :) Aug 05 19:48:15 how does one ensure the synched-ness of his contacts Aug 05 19:48:25 CTLAdvance: valid point ;) Aug 05 19:48:29 I wouldnt touch anything from google Aug 05 19:48:32 but thats just me Aug 05 19:48:42 I want a good dual boot win 7/webos tablet Aug 05 19:48:43 verify the contacts are all in google Aug 05 19:48:49 then wipe Aug 05 19:48:55 that's how i do it :) Aug 05 19:48:58 where do i find them in google, good sir? Aug 05 19:49:02 "the google" that is Aug 05 19:49:07 hi all! Aug 05 19:49:09 Oh snap Aug 05 19:49:12 gmail, on the left under labels Aug 05 19:49:26 JenP: !!!! Aug 05 19:49:31 do you use gmail as your primary or palm profile? Aug 05 19:49:31 I just want a tablet with a vendor-locked OS that isn't from apple and doesn't suck Aug 05 19:49:38 Hi Kesne! Aug 05 19:49:38 unbelievable... i looked all over gmail for contacts and never saw that link EVER Aug 05 19:49:40 all in google Aug 05 19:49:45 why vendor locked Aug 05 19:49:50 JenP: where've you been? Aug 05 19:49:58 A windows 7 tablet wouldnt be Aug 05 19:50:06 anyone running 1.4.5 care to test my PDK app? i have an IPK for you Aug 05 19:50:08 excellent, if they're all there, then you shouldn't have any issues Aug 05 19:50:10 codeslaw__: you can export your contacts with a patch Aug 05 19:50:12 you could dual boot ubuntu (cringe) Aug 05 19:50:15 codeslaw__: mee!! Aug 05 19:50:18 In the middle of a move & dealing with daughter's visits Aug 05 19:50:24 ctl: I like it Aug 05 19:50:29 like that Aug 05 19:50:37 what have i missed? Aug 05 19:50:38 I would like to see a webOS installer.... Aug 05 19:50:54 Maybe HP should sell a licensed copy as an installer Aug 05 19:51:01 JenP: you have a daughter? Aug 05 19:51:16 webos is cool to me because it's not locked to hell but at the same time palm isn't whoring it out to every tom dick and harry like android Aug 05 19:51:19 CTLAdvance: webos installer? Aug 05 19:51:22 hey, it's JenP! Aug 05 19:51:23 LOL yes 18 and my bf has one 14... Aug 05 19:51:30 hi dkirker! Aug 05 19:51:32 hi JenP! Aug 05 19:51:38 I missed you guys sooo much! Aug 05 19:51:44 perfect middle ground between ios and android Aug 05 19:51:49 codeslaw__: did you find the contacts? Aug 05 19:51:57 JenP: which app did you make? Kesne said last nigt it was sexual in nature Aug 05 19:51:59 like a windows installer for a pc / tablet Aug 05 19:52:06 codeslaw__: what is your app? Aug 05 19:52:11 they never will Aug 05 19:52:11 Anivrom|pre: tasty toons Aug 05 19:52:14 but I can wish Aug 05 19:52:17 LOL gtk i'm still remembered Aug 05 19:52:23 dkirker: song machine Aug 05 19:52:30 demo version has 2 marimba tracks Aug 05 19:52:32 hi JenP, we thought you abandoned us Aug 05 19:52:40 it's pretty fun to play with Aug 05 19:53:05 sugardave!!! no....14 yr old girls do not like it when you are not paying attention to them... Aug 05 19:53:12 Well its cause I had my wife in irc and kesne wa drooling ove he, so we ended up on the topic of women in irc, for a line or 2 lol Aug 05 19:53:48 Was drooling over her*? Aug 05 19:53:54 JenP: how could we forget you!? Aug 05 19:53:55 Bloody pre keyboard Aug 05 19:53:57 JenP: I'll take the 14 one Aug 05 19:53:57 Daughter, that is Aug 05 19:53:57 codeslaw__: shoot it my way Aug 05 19:53:57 codeslaw__: you have my email? Aug 05 19:54:00 JenP: I see...that must be what's beginning to happen with my 11-year old Aug 05 19:54:06 i'm gonna host it on my server, i'll send out a link Aug 05 19:54:08 so anyone working with the PDK? Aug 05 19:54:14 JenP: yes Aug 05 19:54:15 not me :D Aug 05 19:54:24 Not me too... :D Aug 05 19:54:38 wait, yes me! :D Aug 05 19:54:39 Nor me Aug 05 19:54:41 I dont think i'm brave enough to play with it yet...so i'll just be the cheerleader... Aug 05 19:54:48 WOOOO PDK Aug 05 19:54:53 hey! only one cheerleader around in this channel... Aug 05 19:54:53 lol Aug 05 19:55:07 haha j/k Aug 05 19:55:16 smiles... Aug 05 19:55:17 JenP: play with it! Aug 05 19:55:32 dkirker: is it difficult? Aug 05 19:55:35 hmm Aug 05 19:56:04 JenP: Not really. It took me some time to get started with it. But once I did, it is pretty easy. Aug 05 19:56:07 i plan to play with it a bit here soon, but don't have an idea to work with :/ Aug 05 19:57:16 so has there been any rumors of new hardware coming our way?....mainly a new pre? Aug 05 19:57:30 http://www.codeslaw.net/beta_tb/com.codeslaw.touchbeats_0.5.1_all.ipk Aug 05 19:57:42 JenP: C40....still.... Aug 05 19:57:58 for anyone who cares to beta test, that's running 1.4.5 Aug 05 19:58:11 sigh....I want a new phone. And the EVO looks soo cool, but I love my Pre... Aug 05 19:58:12 mind you.. i haven't doctored yet, so i haven't run the IPK, so it might not work! Aug 05 19:58:14 crap! Aug 05 19:58:21 just realized i had something wrong Aug 05 19:58:23 I hope the C40 meets the specs that have been provided Aug 05 19:58:25 JenP: hold on...they're coming :D Aug 05 19:58:26 don't download that one yet Aug 05 19:58:33 or the speculated specs Aug 05 19:58:51 if it doesnt have at least an 8mp camera I am going all windows phone 7.... :( Aug 05 19:58:57 :o Aug 05 19:59:01 well guys I have to go to my next meeting. But i'll talk to you all tonight. Aug 05 19:59:05 byes.... Aug 05 19:59:06 or if it doesnt have at least a 4inch screen Aug 05 19:59:08 later Aug 05 19:59:10 bye JenP! Aug 05 19:59:23 * dkirker wants to go to a meeting. hrumph Aug 05 19:59:23 codeslaw__: That's really cool! Aug 05 19:59:33 it works for you? Aug 05 19:59:42 Yeah Aug 05 19:59:45 oh shit Aug 05 19:59:46 codeslaw: i can test Aug 05 20:00:08 use back / forward gesture to switch between track/note view Aug 05 20:00:17 and use 2 finger scrolling to "throw" the tempo Aug 05 20:00:26 swisstomcat: posted the link above Aug 05 20:00:48 got it Aug 05 20:01:37 Robdor: i am surprised it worked for you, that ipk had "game" set for type, instead of "pdk" Aug 05 20:02:25 Yeah me too, it works without any problems. Aug 05 20:02:33 hows audio quality Aug 05 20:02:55 It's pretty good. It gets a little "poppy" at times. Aug 05 20:03:06 mm Aug 05 20:07:07 back Aug 05 20:07:46 Errr, maybe the static sound wasn't the app. A cube neighbor has the radio on, maybe it was from that. :) I plugged my headphones into the pre a few minutes ago and I haven't heard any pops through it yet. Aug 05 20:10:03 haha Aug 05 20:10:05 nie Aug 05 20:10:06 nice* Aug 05 20:11:13 what do you think of the touch UI? does it feel weird/natural? Aug 05 20:11:33 not much to it at this point, but there will be more gestures added in the full version Aug 05 20:11:53 i think i'm going to forego the help scene for a help video, to just show people what to do Aug 05 20:12:36 It feels natural. Except for the 2 finger scrolling, I couldn't quite get the tempo where I wanted it. Aug 05 20:12:59 yes... same for me Aug 05 20:13:21 still trying to figure out a graceful way to accurately control tempo, without buttons Aug 05 20:13:53 dkirker: did you get it running? Aug 05 20:13:56 swisstomcat: ? Aug 05 20:14:02 not yet Aug 05 20:14:06 codeslaw__: sorry, haven't downloaded it yet Aug 05 20:14:21 np Aug 05 20:15:17 * dkirker throws it on Aug 05 20:15:49 * swisstomcat too Aug 05 20:15:55 cool Aug 05 20:16:32 yeah, the speedup/slowdown needs to be explained Aug 05 20:16:38 rest is easy Aug 05 20:17:01 lol Aug 05 20:17:11 codeslaw__: If I go crazy with the two finger scrolling It crashes with a floating point exception. Aug 05 20:17:17 I forgot that the Pre plays music even when the switch is set to off :| Aug 05 20:17:20 nice stuff! Aug 05 20:18:07 I'll play with it at lunch, in 10 minutes :D Aug 05 20:20:09 a slide-in control where you can adjust speed (and other stuff)? Aug 05 20:20:51 woo...back on EVDO Aug 05 20:21:28 fiber has a problem, only givng me 5MB downloadsl they're troubleshooting. Aug 05 20:37:22 Robdor: really??? Aug 05 20:37:30 i have limits on that Aug 05 20:37:32 very weird Aug 05 20:37:59 I was really going crazy with it though. I was doing circles with both of my fingers around the screen. :) Aug 05 20:38:10 haha Aug 05 20:38:43 hhmm... the exception probably comes then from determining the centerpoint of your 2 fingers! i'm not watching that closely Aug 05 20:38:46 The Aug 05 20:38:46 server will respond by attempting to set a cookie named .auth' with the token as the Aug 05 20:38:46 value. Aug 05 20:39:02 how does a server set a cookie in my app? Aug 05 20:39:43 thru Ajax.request Aug 05 20:42:31 night everyone Aug 05 20:42:37 later swisstomcat thanks for testing Aug 05 20:42:43 np Aug 05 20:42:53 i'll do some more tomorrow Aug 05 20:43:11 much appreciated Aug 05 21:03:17 haeffb: use getResponseHeaders() on the underlying XHR to parse the cookie header and store the value somewhere Aug 05 21:04:01 oops, he's gone now. nvm Aug 05 21:15:20 Anyone know where I can locate a developer rom for a pixi? Aug 05 21:15:52 hm? Aug 05 21:23:56 developer rom? Aug 05 21:47:40 is twitter down again Aug 05 21:48:00 call the presses! Aug 05 21:48:28 TWEET ABOUT IT Aug 05 21:48:39 FAIL Aug 05 21:48:40 lol Aug 05 21:48:43 :) Aug 05 21:48:47 there was a video I saw Aug 05 21:49:04 i dont believe you Aug 05 21:49:06 "what are you doing?" Aug 05 21:49:12 lol Aug 05 21:49:14 "tweeting about how pissed I am that twitter is down" Aug 05 21:49:17 and then the world explodes. Aug 05 21:59:49 ryand: ping Aug 05 22:04:56 Good afternoon chuqui Aug 05 22:05:17 good afternoon, all! Aug 05 22:05:34 chuqui! How are the oompa loompas doing today? Aug 05 22:08:38 far as I know, fine. I haven't had to flog one all day. Aug 05 22:11:19 hiya chuqui!! Aug 05 22:18:40 chuqui: lol, watch out for the female one, I hear she bites Aug 05 22:19:02 *I soo hope she's not in here* Aug 05 22:35:16 zeen? Aug 05 22:36:52 tempted to play with cherokee-server Aug 05 22:50:09 API stuff works in emulator, but not on device... Aug 05 22:50:59 onSuccess is called, but response.status = 0 Aug 05 23:43:17 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/256916-warning-app-does-nothing-do-not-accidentally-purchase.html Aug 05 23:43:19 lol Aug 05 23:47:58 Nyceane: the funniest thing about that thread is how offended people seem to be about an app that does exactly what it says in the description, and charges a reasonable price for educating idiots. Aug 05 23:48:46 yah, its just funny tho Aug 05 23:48:49 i didnt make that app btw Aug 05 23:49:05 someone obviously knows hot to market themselves =) Aug 05 23:58:56 Why would you even spend $1 for an app that does nothing?... Aug 05 23:59:09 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/256916-warning-app-does-nothing-do-not-accidentally-purchase-2.html#post2580111 Aug 06 00:09:57 dkirker: I get the feeling that the person who started that thread actually bought the app at $100 Aug 06 00:10:21 hah Aug 06 00:11:14 rwhitby: Yes, I am sure. And I do not feel sorry for that person. I also think that the "I read it as $1" excuse is pretty weak. Aug 06 00:11:30 I think that the app should stay. It adds value -- everyone should read before they spend their money. Aug 06 00:11:59 yeah I'd rather have a silly $100 app that does nothing Aug 06 00:12:02 everyone should read the app description before installing, even if it's free Aug 06 00:12:07 than AppBookShop Aug 06 00:12:28 Not to mention, how do you determine "value"? Aug 06 00:12:31 or an app that mines data ;( Aug 06 00:12:59 Value: "Will this application, indirectly or somehow directly, get me into a long term relationship with a significant other of the opposite gender" Aug 06 00:13:27 Alright, time to leave work! Aug 06 00:13:51 Hi Aug 06 00:14:11 Hello Aug 06 00:16:12 hello Bunnybunny Aug 06 00:29:50 any thoughts on why a server would return a different response to an Ajax.request POST on device vs emulator? Aug 06 01:20:31 perVERSION Aug 06 01:26:32 what would you guys think of the palmpad having a physical portrait keyboard, a la kindle? Aug 06 01:28:53 seems like a waste to me .. just allow for bluetooth keyboard input and be done with it .. soft keyboard could work well for limited input, but to keep a somewhat crappy keyboard there all the time just seems like a waste of realestate Aug 06 01:31:20 yeah Aug 06 01:32:02 what about 16:9 vs other aspect ratios in the screen? Aug 06 01:32:22 i'd go for 16:9, since that'd make for a nicer vertical soft keyboard Aug 06 01:37:05 argh Aug 06 01:37:18 grabbed my spare touchstone and wall plug.. but forgot the usb cord.. Aug 06 01:37:33 thankfully where im staying she's also got a pre and a touchstone ;D Aug 06 01:37:43 ;o Aug 06 01:38:26 did 1.4.5 come out yet? (sprint) Aug 06 01:38:32 nope Aug 06 01:39:49 :( Aug 06 01:39:51 1.4.5 Aug 06 01:40:13 aww no comin round the mountain? Aug 06 01:40:24 my friend keeps saying she wants to switch to the EVO.. im like noooooo.. wait for the next device.. Aug 06 01:40:34 complains theres no cool apps like the other platforms.. Aug 06 01:47:05 ugh i forget sometimes that this macbook only has 1 speaker.. mono FTL Aug 06 01:50:03 macbooks only have one speaker? Aug 06 01:50:41 macbook air does, or atleast my model Aug 06 01:50:47 oooh.. stargate fps Aug 06 01:50:49 http://www.stargateresistance.com/domination/ Aug 06 01:51:26 maaaan Aug 06 01:51:27 evo Aug 06 01:51:28 maaaaan Aug 06 01:51:37 if you're gonna switch switch to an epic 4G Aug 06 01:53:00 nice.. twitter now has recommendations Aug 06 01:53:21 yeah and they're pretty sweet Aug 06 01:53:41 yah pretty much all webos related for @biocandy acct Aug 06 02:02:52 so any word on when the winners from the first hotapps will get their prizes? Aug 06 02:12:26 has the leaderboard been retooled? Aug 06 02:13:59 The PDK leaderboard will go live when the contest starts! Aug 06 02:14:45 Hi all! Aug 06 02:15:10 didn't it start on the 15th? Aug 06 02:20:09 JenP! Aug 06 02:20:21 haeffb!!!! Aug 06 02:20:22 torchie....well...technically... Aug 06 02:20:29 :d Aug 06 02:20:54 what's going on Aug 06 02:21:21 not much...kids are gone...yeah! Aug 06 02:21:35 peace & quiet? Aug 06 02:21:49 yes.....man teen girls talk A LOT! Aug 06 02:21:52 Hey folks, Spaz Hackathon 5 is this Saturday http://bit.ly/hackathon5 Aug 06 02:22:36 funkatron: I'll think about you as I float down the river in a raft full of beer... Aug 06 02:22:42 sweet! Aug 06 02:23:02 hackathon huh? Aug 06 02:23:13 torchie: yep Aug 06 02:23:36 any thoughts on why a server would return a different response to an Ajax.request POST on device vs emulator? Aug 06 02:24:21 speaking of thons Aug 06 02:24:24 JenP: doing any coding? Aug 06 02:24:36 is there anything like an internet cafe that's open late into the morning Aug 06 02:24:39 trying to remember how...Smils...how about you? Aug 06 02:25:01 you know, somewhere to code and make loud and strange noises without disturbing the room mate Aug 06 02:26:04 still remember some of it, finding time is always a problem. Aug 06 02:26:11 haeffb: are they both on the same networks? Are they sending identical HTTP requests? Could the mobile network be mucking with the request via a proxy? Aug 06 02:26:38 requests are identical Aug 06 02:26:40 haeffb: I know what you mean....we're also packing for a move in two weeks Aug 06 02:26:52 prior to this afternoon, both emu and phone were on Sprint. Aug 06 02:26:53 you sure they're identical? are you using wireshark or sthg? Aug 06 02:27:06 and or are you watching the request come in on the server? Aug 06 02:27:24 no, just looking at the response.request sent back from the API Aug 06 02:27:58 don't have access to the API server Aug 06 02:28:03 I've often found that you *really* need to look at exactly what HTTP traffic is being sent and received to confirm that stuff Aug 06 02:28:19 * haeffb goes to google wireshark Aug 06 02:29:26 I'd recommend Charles, a really great HTTP proxy/debugger, but it's a little wonky getting it to work with the emulator (since the emu won't respect the OS proxy settings) Aug 06 02:29:55 Charles will generally be a lot easier to set-up for this kind of thing tho Aug 06 02:30:02 http://www.charlesproxy.com/ Aug 06 02:30:03 what might be some possibilities that could be different? Aug 06 02:30:26 headers could be changing. parameters could be getting inserted you don't expect Aug 06 02:30:54 I've seen systems later or refuse requests because of headers that *should* make no difference Aug 06 02:31:01 later = alter Aug 06 02:31:55 that is, one http request gets back the expected response, and another gives something v different, because of a header that shouldn't matter Aug 06 02:32:25 it really really helps when debugging web APIs to look at the raw requests and responses being sent Aug 06 02:32:51 this may be way over my head... Aug 06 02:33:28 1 difference: emu is 1.4.5, device is 1.4.1 Aug 06 02:33:30 something like Charles can be very enlightening. you might just get it and look at the HTTP traffic being sent from your browser and other apps Aug 06 02:33:55 ahhhh, that may certainly do it too, if the requests being sent are different in some way between those versions Aug 06 02:34:01 $50 or license? Aug 06 02:34:10 for Aug 06 02:34:12 you can run the trial for 30min without paying Aug 06 02:34:22 I eventually did buy it because I use it all the time Aug 06 02:34:27 multiple times? Aug 06 02:34:31 yes Aug 06 02:34:43 absolutely worth the $50 in my experience Aug 06 02:34:46 but yeah Aug 06 02:35:35 wireshark is free... but Chuck is worth the $50? Aug 06 02:36:05 Wireshark is orders of magnitude more complex and harder to use Aug 06 02:36:28 but feel free to use either. I have used both, but I far prefer to use Charles when I can Aug 06 02:36:41 like I said, Charles is very interesting anyway Aug 06 02:37:05 * haeffb downloading Charles Aug 06 02:40:19 how do I do something similar on device? Aug 06 02:41:45 Good q. You could with wireshark if you set up an ad-hoc wireless network to share your internet connection off your PC, and then had the device connect via wifi Aug 06 02:43:02 I recently purchased an alfa 1w wireless device just for pen testing in my spare time (which seems to be non existant) - it certainly has amazing range but I haven't had time to really play and snoop around Aug 06 02:44:49 api returns status 200 in emu, 0 on device Aug 06 02:46:15 status is 0? Aug 06 02:46:24 yep Aug 06 02:46:29 that sounds like you're not getting a real response back then Aug 06 02:46:43 onSuccess with status 0 Aug 06 02:46:56 yeah, that's not right. Aug 06 02:47:31 something's pretty goofed if you're getting an HTTP status code of 0 Aug 06 02:48:15 this may be useful http://weblogs.asp.net/chrishardy/archive/2010/07/18/Inspecting-iPhone-web-requests-with-Charles-on-a-Mac.aspx Aug 06 02:48:25 it's for an iphone, but same idea Aug 06 02:49:08 Hello everyone Aug 06 02:50:54 except there's no HTTP proxy support in webOS… Aug 06 02:50:56 good god. Aug 06 02:52:17 how do I get the emu to work with Chuck? Aug 06 02:52:46 can always set up a proxy on your box (e.g. tcptrace) and route the request to it Aug 06 02:53:26 let me rephrase the question. "how can a layperson get the emu to work with Chuck?" :) Aug 06 02:56:16 not familiar with chuck so not much help there. tcptrace is super easy but I think it's windows only Aug 06 02:57:34 here's a link http://www.pocketsoap.com/tcptrace/ Aug 06 02:58:23 slow night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 02:59:58 2010