**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 11 02:59:57 2010
Aug 11 03:00:36 <dawmtop> hey
Aug 11 03:00:40 <dawmtop> is SPB Brighthouse?
Aug 11 03:00:49 <Anivrom> was thinking the same thing
Aug 11 03:00:53 <dawmtop> appcat flood of spamtastic flashcard apps
Aug 11 03:00:55 <Anivrom> they certainly have the same business model
Aug 11 03:02:30 <kesne> oh, FYI, 1.4.5 is out
Aug 11 03:03:03 <rwhitby> http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/20849729721
Aug 11 03:03:52 <Anivrom> w00t
Aug 11 03:04:25 * Anivrom is happy for all the whiners complaining about 1.4.5 never coming out in america
Aug 11 03:05:15 * kesne has had 1.4.5 since the Pre came out
Aug 11 03:05:26 <Anivrom> did anyone try that flash link?
Aug 11 03:05:33 <kesne> I did
Aug 11 03:05:36 <Anivrom> prolly just a roundabout right?
Aug 11 03:05:37 <kesne> Download Failed
Aug 11 03:05:44 <Anivrom> figures
Aug 11 03:06:04 <dawm_laptop> anivrom im working on it.. that link is that old beta thats expired (requires 1.3.5)
Aug 11 03:06:12 <Anivrom> bah
Aug 11 03:07:05 <Anivrom> would totally be sweet to get the 1.3.5, take a look at the source and see if you can cooerce it into working for 1.4.5
Aug 11 03:07:12 <kesne> Aye
Aug 11 03:07:16 <dawm_laptop> i wish people understood what 'IM BUSY I WILL TALK TO YOU IN A MINUTE' means
Aug 11 03:07:17 <kesne> somebody should do it
Aug 11 03:07:28 <Anivrom> huh?
Aug 11 03:07:34 <Anivrom> idk what you just said but can you help me with a few things
Aug 11 03:07:35 <Anivrom> :D
Aug 11 03:07:37 <dawm_laptop> anvirom, im attempting to atleast grab the ipl
Aug 11 03:07:39 <dawm_laptop> er ipk
Aug 11 03:07:56 <dawm_laptop> 1.3.5 booting
Aug 11 03:08:10 <haeffb_> weird. I was downloading 1.4.5 and then went back to checking for updates
Aug 11 03:08:13 <dawm_laptop> on 1ghz single core .. might take awhile
Aug 11 03:08:15 * Anivrom is almost done random item drops!!!!
Aug 11 03:08:26 <haeffb_> keeps going back and forth.
Aug 11 03:08:33 <Anivrom> haeffb_: you have to doctor if it disappears
Aug 11 03:08:43 <Anivrom> If the new update screen disappears
Aug 11 03:08:48 <Anivrom> Whatever you do dont cancel the download
Aug 11 03:08:51 <dawm_laptop> its got a background downloader
Aug 11 03:08:56 <Anivrom> I did that twice and messed it up
Aug 11 03:09:01 <Anivrom> Had to doctor
Aug 11 03:09:03 <Anivrom> seriously
Aug 11 03:09:32 <Anivrom> I think it's bugged
Aug 11 03:09:42 <Anivrom> if you're having hte same problem I was
Aug 11 03:09:49 <haeffb_> so, don't reboot my phone... ? :)
Aug 11 03:10:02 * Anivrom never rebooted his phone
Aug 11 03:10:08 * Anivrom cancelled teh download link
Aug 11 03:10:26 <dawm_laptop> haeffb_, i think its the server timing out
Aug 11 03:10:34 <dawm_laptop> mines doing it automagically
Aug 11 03:10:42 <Anivrom> yea it does that
Aug 11 03:10:45 <dawm_laptop> i think it tries to grab the update, times out so it refreshes
Aug 11 03:10:48 <Anivrom> Automatically downloads
Aug 11 03:10:57 <haeffb_> It just keeps flipping back and forth...checking for updates...download now....downloading....checking for updates....
Aug 11 03:10:57 <haeffb_> that could be
Aug 11 03:14:03 <Anivrom> haeffb_: got it
Aug 11 03:14:21 <Anivrom> what do you want me to do with it? shrink it?
Aug 11 03:14:23 <rwhitby> haeffb_: I'm getting the same
Aug 11 03:14:29 <haeffb_> Not sure yet if I can use it directly.
Aug 11 03:14:45 <Anivrom> hmmm
Aug 11 03:15:05 * rwhitby doctors another one of his Sprint devices back to 1.4.1.1 to force an update on it
Aug 11 03:15:06 <Anivrom> Want me to make something similiar?
Aug 11 03:17:08 <haeffb_> I dunno. Just throwing it out there for inspiration....
Aug 11 03:17:21 <Anivrom> I see
Aug 11 03:17:22 <haeffb_> I've asked if I can use it.
Aug 11 03:17:29 <haeffb_> will let you know what I find out.
Aug 11 03:17:41 <Anivrom> ok ill hold til then
Aug 11 03:18:10 <torchie> has the leaderboard
Aug 11 03:18:24 <Anivrom> .."been retooled"
Aug 11 03:18:25 <Anivrom> idk
Aug 11 03:18:27 <torchie> been retooled
Aug 11 03:18:28 <haeffb_> would be cool to have a similar note backgound with the blue symbol (or similar) in a Palm orange color...
Aug 11 03:18:41 <haeffb_> chuqui!
Aug 11 03:18:45 <torchie> hey man i'm not always that predictable
Aug 11 03:18:47 <Anivrom> heh I was thinking about incorporating the palm-esque feel
Aug 11 03:18:49 <haeffb_> palms servers taking a hit tonight...
Aug 11 03:18:51 <torchie> I was just about to ask
Aug 11 03:18:57 <torchie> if sprint 1.4.5
Aug 11 03:19:07 <torchie> is bananas.
Aug 11 03:19:15 <torchie> b-a-n-a-n-a-s.
Aug 11 03:19:34 <LoneStar99> hello chuqui
Aug 11 03:19:43 <haeffb_> torchie...1.4.5 is never coming. This is just a tease. Here it is. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not.
Aug 11 03:19:53 <torchie> but is it bananas
Aug 11 03:19:53 <chuqui> evening, all. anything going on tonigth? I was bored, so I thought I'd pop in and say hi
Aug 11 03:19:59 <torchie> heyo
Aug 11 03:20:05 <Anivrom> you know exactly whats going on tonight
Aug 11 03:20:12 <haeffb_> ...checking for updates...download now....downloading....checking for updates....
Aug 11 03:20:12 <Anivrom> holding out on the information goods eh?
Aug 11 03:20:27 <torchie> updates, refresh, application updates are available
Aug 11 03:20:35 <Anivrom> ppl are having trouble downloading the update chuqui
Aug 11 03:20:50 <haeffb_> chuqui: Updates is flippin' out on me.
Aug 11 03:21:05 <haeffb_> ...checking for updates...downloadnow....downloading....checking for updates....
Aug 11 03:22:37 <torchie> checking for downloads update for
Aug 11 03:22:41 <torchie> impl
Aug 11 03:22:45 <torchie> pimpl
Aug 11 03:22:47 <torchie> chesire cat
Aug 11 03:23:07 <chuqui> we're seeing the download issue. Looking into it now.
Aug 11 03:23:17 <bpadalino> neat
Aug 11 03:23:27 <bpadalino> glad we share the download issue
Aug 11 03:23:50 <chuqui> yeah. it's not you.
Aug 11 03:24:35 <bpadalino> i'll put the ice cream back in the freezer now that i know it's not me .. :)
Aug 11 03:24:53 * bpadalino wipes away the running mascara
Aug 11 03:26:27 <Anivrom> there there bpadalino, you'll get your 1.4.5 one day.
Aug 11 03:26:41 <Anivrom> sometime shortly after teh release of 2.0 is my guess
Aug 11 03:26:49 <bpadalino> sounds good
Aug 11 03:26:54 * sugardave may refuse to install it on general principle now.
Aug 11 03:27:53 <torchie> 2.0 for pre would be pretty chill
Aug 11 03:27:59 * haeffb_ closed updates
Aug 11 03:28:16 * haeffb_ thrill seeker
Aug 11 03:39:19 <chuqui> we have our best oompa loompas on the job. we'll get this figured otu.
Aug 11 03:40:50 <torchie> PALM WEBOS 1.4.5 IS NOW AVAILABLE
Aug 11 03:40:52 <torchie> IT'S ABOUT 8MB
Aug 11 03:41:07 <Anivrom> torchie: way behind the curve on that one
Aug 11 03:41:09 <Anivrom> lol
Aug 11 03:41:15 <Anivrom> scroll up
Aug 11 03:41:15 <torchie> nobody told me >:(
Aug 11 03:41:29 <torchie> can I touchstone while updating
Aug 11 03:41:34 <bpadalino> hope those oompa loompas are getting some good OT
Aug 11 03:41:38 <torchie> battery's 100% but sometimes I fear man
Aug 11 03:41:39 <torchie> I fear
Aug 11 03:42:14 <torchie> Downloading...
Aug 11 03:42:39 <torchie> checking for updates?
Aug 11 03:43:45 <chuqui> we keep the oompa loompa on salary. no OT.
Aug 11 03:44:09 <bpadalino> ooh, those salaries oompa loompas
Aug 11 03:44:15 <bpadalino> salaried too
Aug 11 03:44:27 <torchie> should I get on the wiffi
Aug 11 03:45:43 <bpadalino> torchie: there is a download issue .. chuqui and his minions are on it ..
Aug 11 03:45:46 <bpadalino> salaried minions
Aug 11 03:46:09 <torchie> ooh
Aug 11 03:46:18 <torchie> I'm conjuring the images now and they seem quite fantastic
Aug 11 03:46:38 <chuqui> my minions even have costumes. and we get donuts.
Aug 11 03:46:40 <drewp> i wish i could make drag events in the browser
Aug 11 03:46:59 <codeslaw> 1 year anniversary with the girlfriend coming up -- what are some good ideas?
Aug 11 03:46:59 <kesne> I'm awesome!
Aug 11 03:47:00 <dekan> No you're not dude, don't lie!
Aug 11 03:47:17 <kesne> codeslaw: Go to disneyland
Aug 11 03:47:21 <kesne> codeslaw: Marry her
Aug 11 03:47:40 <codeslaw> too expensive, too expensive
Aug 11 03:47:42 <Anivrom> obstaining from sexual intercourse would be a good idea
Aug 11 03:47:49 <Anivrom> jus sayin
Aug 11 03:48:40 <codeslaw> :o
Aug 11 03:48:43 <kesne> codeslaw: Have lots of sexual intercourse
Aug 11 03:48:59 <kesne> My brother and his girlfriend are coming up on their 7 year aniversery.
Aug 11 03:49:08 <kesne> Wait, 6 year
Aug 11 03:49:34 <Anivrom> coming up to 6 for me, dated for 5 1/2, both married as virgins. now life is great :P
Aug 11 03:49:50 <sugardave> ah, now things are starting to make sense
Aug 11 03:49:59 <Anivrom> sugardave: lol?
Aug 11 03:50:01 <codeslaw> too late for me on that one
Aug 11 03:50:05 <TheInvsbleMan> my 1 year with my girlfriend is today
Aug 11 03:50:10 <Anivrom> its a moral choice
Aug 11 03:50:20 <sugardave> PSA: I did not write the SPB flash card app(s)
Aug 11 03:50:24 <codeslaw> Anivrom: how old are you
Aug 11 03:50:27 <Anivrom> 25
Aug 11 03:52:38 <kesne> Lucky me I have no morals
Aug 11 03:52:43 <kesne> My brother is 18 xD
Aug 11 03:52:53 <Anivrom> you dont have more than 2 inches though either :P
Aug 11 03:53:13 <Anivrom> So did we conclude yesterday that activate gets called when you backgesture onto a scene under the stack?
Aug 11 03:53:19 <sugardave> yes
Aug 11 03:53:20 <sugardave> it does
Aug 11 03:53:23 <Anivrom> ok
Aug 11 03:53:33 <kesne> Anivrom: Are you talking about my penis?
Aug 11 03:53:41 <sugardave> I hope not
Aug 11 03:53:57 <Anivrom> ofcourse not buddy :)
Aug 11 03:54:03 <kesne> :O
Aug 11 03:54:04 <kesne> YOU ARE!
Aug 11 03:54:05 <kesne> JERK
Aug 11 03:54:07 <kesne> :P
Aug 11 03:54:07 <Anivrom> would never publicly degrade you like that
Aug 11 03:54:26 <Anivrom> haha my cat saw an ant and now she's going nuts trying to find it
Aug 11 03:54:50 <codeslaw> my cat just... i don't have a cat.
Aug 11 03:55:01 <Anivrom> *cryface*?
Aug 11 03:55:05 <Anivrom> cats r great
Aug 11 03:55:08 <kesne> I HATE cats
Aug 11 03:55:15 <Anivrom> proly hate you back
Aug 11 03:55:17 <Anivrom> prolly too
Aug 11 03:55:22 <kesne> Little fuckers...
Aug 11 03:55:22 <Anivrom> probably as well
Aug 11 03:57:08 <sugardave> damn, it seems rather difficult to have your scroller snap elements be the collapsible dividers in your list
Aug 11 03:57:34 <Anivrom> was thinking the same thing just 5 minutes ago
Aug 11 03:57:43 <Anivrom> when I was modifying your app to sell in teh cat
Aug 11 03:58:55 <Anivrom> I can never remember the syntax for background no repeat
Aug 11 03:59:55 <kesne> Anivrom: for CSS?
Aug 11 03:59:59 <Anivrom> yea but googled it
Aug 11 04:00:01 <Anivrom>  background-repeat: no-repeat;
Aug 11 04:00:01 <kesne> background-repeat: no-repeat?
Aug 11 04:00:08 <Anivrom> BAM
Aug 11 04:00:08 <kesne> beat you to it
Aug 11 04:00:11 <Anivrom> negative
Aug 11 04:01:15 <sugardave> oh wait, I don't want that anyway
Aug 11 04:01:24 <sugardave> yay, no brain hurting tonight
Aug 11 04:02:47 <kesne> Anivrom: what?
Aug 11 04:02:59 <Anivrom> <Anivrom>  background-repeat: no-repeat;
Aug 11 04:02:59 <Anivrom> <kesne> background-repeat: no-repeat?
Aug 11 04:02:59 <Anivrom> <Anivrom> BAM
Aug 11 04:02:59 <Anivrom> <kesne> beat you to it
Aug 11 04:02:59 <Anivrom> <Anivrom> negative
Aug 11 04:03:11 <kesne> Heh
Aug 11 04:03:13 <kesne> That's funny
Aug 11 04:03:19 <kesne> on mine, my message shows up first
Aug 11 04:03:20 <Anivrom> yoyur screen is different?
Aug 11 04:03:22 <Anivrom> lol
Aug 11 04:03:28 <kesne> lolol
Aug 11 04:03:34 <kesne> I'm awesome!
Aug 11 04:03:34 <dekan> No you're not dude, don't lie!
Aug 11 04:03:39 <Anivrom> LMfao
Aug 11 04:03:41 <Anivrom> womp womp
Aug 11 04:03:46 <kesne> That's just great
Aug 11 04:03:58 <kesne> awesome
Aug 11 04:03:58 <dekan> no, kesne, YOU'RE AWESOME!
Aug 11 04:04:14 <kesne> Awesome
Aug 11 04:04:14 <dekan> Awesome is http://digitalpowers.com
Aug 11 04:04:47 <kesne> hmm
Aug 11 04:05:54 <kesne> Won't you help to sing
Aug 11 04:06:02 <kesne> Another song of freedom
Aug 11 04:06:28 <sugardave> my cat just caused the 4th drop of my Pre
Aug 11 04:06:46 * kesne rocks a day one pre
Aug 11 04:06:53 <sugardave> moi aussi
Aug 11 04:06:54 <kesne> Which has been dropped well over 1000 times
Aug 11 04:07:13 <kesne> ich auch
Aug 11 04:08:04 <kesne> drunknbass: Every time I read your name I read "drunkendumbass
Aug 11 04:08:05 <kesne> "
Aug 11 04:08:14 <Anivrom> me too
Aug 11 04:08:26 <Anivrom> dkirker = dirka
Aug 11 04:08:41 <kesne> DIRKA DIRKA!
Aug 11 04:08:53 <kesne> dekan: dkirker is DIRKA DIRKA!
Aug 11 04:08:54 <dekan> Okay, kesne.
Aug 11 04:08:57 <kesne> dkirker
Aug 11 04:08:58 <dekan> dkirker is DIRKA DIRKA!
Aug 11 04:09:02 <kesne> oops
Aug 11 04:09:07 <kesne> Bleh
Aug 11 04:09:14 <kesne> I don't feel like fixing it
Aug 11 04:09:45 * dkirker sighs
Aug 11 04:09:51 <dkirker> dekan: forget dkirker
Aug 11 04:09:52 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 11 04:10:00 <Anivrom> heh
Aug 11 04:10:00 <dkirker> dekan: dkirker
Aug 11 04:10:00 <dekan> dkirker is DIRKA DIRKA!
Aug 11 04:10:07 <kesne> thunderbolts and lightning very very frightening
Aug 11 04:10:07 <dekan> me Galileo Galileo Galileo Figaro Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o
Aug 11 04:10:20 <dkirker> dekan: forget dkirker
Aug 11 04:10:21 <dekan> Beeeeeeeeeeeeep!
Aug 11 04:10:24 <dkirker> dekan: dkirker
Aug 11 04:10:25 <dekan> dkirker is DIRKA DIRKA!
Aug 11 04:10:43 <kesne> dekan: help
Aug 11 04:10:44 <dekan> Error 42: Factoid not in database.  Please contact administrator of current universe.
Aug 11 04:10:47 <kesne> dekan: docs
Aug 11 04:10:48 <dekan> My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket
Aug 11 04:11:22 <dkirker> dekan: undo last
Aug 11 04:11:22 <dekan> Okay, dkirker, deleted that 'dkirker' is 'DIRKA DIRKA!'.
Aug 11 04:11:28 <dkirker> dekan: dkirker
Aug 11 04:11:29 <dekan> Not a bloody clue, sir.
Aug 11 04:11:35 <dkirker> good, let's keep it that way
Aug 11 04:11:45 <kesne> heh
Aug 11 04:11:57 <kesne> kesne[
Aug 11 04:11:59 <kesne> er
Aug 11 04:12:00 <kesne> kesne
Aug 11 04:12:04 <kesne> :O
Aug 11 04:12:08 <kesne> dekan: kesne
Aug 11 04:12:08 <dekan> kesne is a damn liar
Aug 11 04:12:15 <kesne> there we go
Aug 11 04:12:17 <kesne> Anivrom: hey
Aug 11 04:13:00 <kesne> http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/Monster.png
Aug 11 04:13:19 <Anivrom> I'm not answering your pings anymore unless you put something relevant along with it, since most times its "hey", "yes?", "nothing, bored"
Aug 11 04:13:50 <sugardave> dawm_: the problem with the siren flasher are the schools that have more than 2 colors
Aug 11 04:13:54 <sugardave> damn attention whores
Aug 11 04:14:26 <codeslaw> what app/apps has jenP written
Aug 11 04:18:10 <kesne> Tasty Toons
Aug 11 04:18:14 <kesne> codeslaw: ^^^
Aug 11 04:18:29 <kesne> Anivrom: http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/Monster.png
Aug 11 04:18:46 <Anivrom> sawi t what about it
Aug 11 04:19:10 <kesne> Anivrom: It's you!
Aug 11 04:19:18 <Anivrom> oh i see
Aug 11 04:19:21 <Anivrom> good one :)
Aug 11 04:19:46 <kesne> actually, it's the original design for the Planet Eaters guy
Aug 11 04:20:27 <kesne> Done by my old-old design guy
Aug 11 04:20:35 <kesne> old-old-old, actually
Aug 11 04:25:35 <Anivrom> You know, for once the scope on events in external.js's is a good thing. I can access my main scene properly
Aug 11 04:28:36 <kesne> Hehe
Aug 11 04:32:30 <torchie> i saw your face
Aug 11 04:32:31 <torchie> and WOW
Aug 11 04:32:45 <torchie> right then i took a vow
Aug 11 04:32:49 <torchie> that we'd be together
Aug 11 04:32:52 <torchie> just you and me!
Aug 11 04:32:56 <torchie> THAT'S the meaning of eternity
Aug 11 04:33:05 <Anivrom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sarB0ni3B2Y&feature=related   // LOL first comment
Aug 11 04:38:45 <torchie> god can't wait to get a desk for standing
Aug 11 04:38:50 <torchie> so long, sitters
Aug 11 04:45:40 <torchie> palm webOS 1.4.5 is currently downloading.
Aug 11 04:45:49 <torchie> right before I was gonna go to bed!
Aug 11 04:55:54 <LoneStar99> torchie: what carrier?
Aug 11 04:56:04 <torchie> sprint
Aug 11 04:56:47 <LoneStar99> realy
Aug 11 04:56:52 <torchie> no
Aug 11 04:56:55 <torchie> joke.
Aug 11 04:56:57 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 11 04:57:02 <torchie> hit up them updates brohah
Aug 11 04:57:34 <torchie> must be hella traffic hitting the servers because this 8MB download ain't a joke either
Aug 11 04:58:14 <Anivrom> haeffb_:
Aug 11 04:58:46 <LoneStar99> yeah downloading
Aug 11 04:59:30 <torchie> home is wherever im with you
Aug 11 04:59:49 <torchie> JADE
Aug 11 04:59:51 <torchie> alexander?
Aug 11 05:00:24 <LoneStar99> torchie:  thanks 4 update
Aug 11 05:00:53 <torchie> don't thank me
Aug 11 05:00:55 <torchie> thank
Aug 11 05:01:06 <torchie> THE HEWLETT PACKARD CORPORATION
Aug 11 05:01:15 * torchie pelvic thrust
Aug 11 05:01:27 <Anivrom> lol @ pelvic thrust
Aug 11 05:01:35 <Anivrom> gotta have the arm thrusts at your sides too
Aug 11 05:01:38 <torchie> you have to do the pelvic thrust every time
Aug 11 05:01:39 <Anivrom> like pure pwnage style
Aug 11 05:03:04 <torchie> ALABAMA ARKANSAS
Aug 11 05:03:13 <Mark_M> Alaska Nebraska
Aug 11 05:03:25 <torchie> I do love my maw and paw
Aug 11 05:03:35 <torchie> UNPACKING...
Aug 11 05:03:47 <Mark_M> I love my palm...the left one and right one.
Aug 11 05:03:48 <torchie> huh, so only part of the loading bar is downloading the update
Aug 11 05:04:18 <Anivrom> Mark_M: on the other hand
Aug 11 05:04:25 <Anivrom> you have 4 fingers
Aug 11 05:04:56 <torchie> arguable
Aug 11 05:05:00 <Mark_M> and one thumb
Aug 11 05:05:02 <Anivrom> true enough
Aug 11 05:05:19 <Anivrom> I withdraw my witty remark
Aug 11 05:05:23 <Mark_M> Half way there hoping that AUPT holds out.
Aug 11 05:05:46 <Mark_M> Removed multiple package patches per Rod's instructions.
Aug 11 05:05:58 <torchie> unpackiiiiing
Aug 11 05:06:14 <Anivrom> funny to watch you guys get so excited over something I had weeks ago
Aug 11 05:06:30 <Tibfib> yay the update that doens't do anything is out!!1!!one!!!!1!
Aug 11 05:06:43 <torchie> does it not do anything
Aug 11 05:06:45 <torchie> or does it do...
Aug 11 05:06:48 <torchie> ...everything?
Aug 11 05:06:49 <Anivrom> no
Aug 11 05:06:56 <Anivrom> its 8mb of spaces
Aug 11 05:07:06 <torchie> unpackiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
Aug 11 05:07:09 <torchie> that is not enoguh spaces
Aug 11 05:07:11 <torchie> i think it needs more
Aug 11 05:07:12 <Anivrom> unpacking all those spaces
Aug 11 05:07:24 <Mark_M> Who's excited. I'm hoping it doesn;'t boink my phone.
Aug 11 05:07:33 <Anivrom> doubt it will
Aug 11 05:07:37 <torchie> yeah I'm hot to trot
Aug 11 05:07:45 <torchie> well when it comes to OTA updates there's always that one guy
Aug 11 05:07:54 <torchie> WEBOS 1.4.5 BRICKED MY PHONE
Aug 11 05:08:08 <Anivrom> meanwhile it was just him doing something stupid
Aug 11 05:08:12 <torchie> I was pouring water on it while it was on the touchstone during the update
Aug 11 05:08:14 <torchie> BUT STILL
Aug 11 05:08:16 <Anivrom> like throwing it in the touloet
Aug 11 05:08:24 <torchie> unpackiiiiiiing
Aug 11 05:08:30 <Anivrom> massive speeeling fail there.
Aug 11 05:08:36 <torchie> touloet
Aug 11 05:08:39 <torchie> le touloet
Aug 11 05:08:40 <Mark_M> torchie, you can't brick a Pre
Aug 11 05:08:44 <torchie> really?
Aug 11 05:08:47 <torchie> best phone.
Aug 11 05:09:15 <Mark_M> Not unless you blow it up by overclocking it to 2+ GHz or with a bad charger.
Aug 11 05:09:20 <torchie> omgomgomgomg
Aug 11 05:09:28 <torchie> unpackaickaing
Aug 11 05:09:29 <Mark_M> You can boink it and recover it by Doctoring it.
Aug 11 05:09:55 <Anivrom> "congratulations! you got 'insert random item here'!!"
Aug 11 05:10:01 <torchie> Validatiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
Aug 11 05:10:09 <Anivrom> shaaaweeeet
Aug 11 05:10:18 <Tibfib> you could screw up the part of the OS that connects via USB. then you have a bricked pre
Aug 11 05:10:27 <torchie> I think the loading bar should run through the entirety of Technologic during updates
Aug 11 05:10:46 <torchie> charge it fax it fix rename it
Aug 11 05:11:06 <rwhitby> Tibfib: nope, you can still recover that
Aug 11 05:11:11 <Mark_M> Tibfib, actually there is a way to deal with that as well.
Aug 11 05:11:16 <torchie> can you really
Aug 11 05:11:18 <Tibfib> whoa, really?
Aug 11 05:11:20 <Tibfib> how?
Aug 11 05:11:28 <torchie> INSTALL NOW
Aug 11 05:11:32 <rwhitby> there are three levels of recovery.  on a Pre you can even blow away the bootloader and still recover.
Aug 11 05:11:34 <Anivrom> a guy had to do it yesterday
Aug 11 05:11:35 <rwhitby> I've done it twice now
Aug 11 05:11:47 <Mark_M> Rod, we are finally updating to 1.4.5.1 tonight.
Aug 11 05:11:47 <Tibfib> even if you're pre won't respond to any sort of USB connection?
Aug 11 05:11:59 <torchie> I'm not pre
Aug 11 05:12:03 <Anivrom> pre r teh best phonez due to amazing foresight on palms part to run it overotp of linux
Aug 11 05:12:11 <rwhitby> if linux is running, normal doctor.  if linux is borked, but bootloader is running, recovery doctor.  if bootloader is borked, omap usb loader.
Aug 11 05:12:21 <torchie> wao linux is da best
Aug 11 05:12:22 <rwhitby> Mark_M: 1.4.5 I believe, not 1.4.5.1
Aug 11 05:12:29 <torchie> webos - the best linux distribution
Aug 11 05:12:43 <rwhitby> Mark_M: but I'll be able to confirm that shortly
Aug 11 05:12:50 <Tibfib> sheeeshhhhh
Aug 11 05:12:51 * rwhitby has two devices installing right now
Aug 11 05:12:55 <Anivrom> ok so who wants to beta test my game?
Aug 11 05:13:02 <Tibfib> ME
Aug 11 05:13:05 <torchie> I may
Aug 11 05:13:10 <torchie> but first I have to Do not remove battery
Aug 11 05:13:13 <Anivrom> Ok wait til the end of the week.
Aug 11 05:13:14 <Anivrom> HAH
Aug 11 05:13:32 * Tibfib didn't want to anyway
Aug 11 05:13:38 <Anivrom> looool
Aug 11 05:14:03 <Anivrom> kesne: what was that site link
Aug 11 05:17:04 <torchie> the wait
Aug 11 05:17:05 <torchie> t
Aug 11 05:17:06 <torchie> he
Aug 11 05:17:07 <torchie> the wait!
Aug 11 05:17:20 <Tibfib> dekan, delete v1.4.5
Aug 11 05:17:20 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 11 05:17:21 <Mark_M> its done installing and rebooting now.
Aug 11 05:17:25 <Tibfib> v1.4.5
Aug 11 05:17:26 <dekan> v1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 05:17:31 <Tibfib> botsmack
Aug 11 05:17:32 * dekan dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died.
Aug 11 05:17:40 <Anivrom> owned
Aug 11 05:17:52 <Tibfib> ... yeah.
Aug 11 05:18:20 <Mark_M> I've been so corrected.  It is not 1.4.5.1, but 1.4.5.
Aug 11 05:19:13 <Anivrom> bah my app takes so long to launch due to ares and transferring the app over the network
Aug 11 05:19:24 <Anivrom> like over 10 seconds :/
Aug 11 05:19:40 <Tibfib> you made your game in ares?
Aug 11 05:19:47 <Anivrom> yea
Aug 11 05:19:54 <Tibfib> whooo. sounds fun
Aug 11 05:19:56 <torchie> so hype
Aug 11 05:22:42 <Mark_M> Still on ~25% of update install
Aug 11 05:22:51 * sugardave just started.
Aug 11 05:23:06 <sugardave> it hasn't even made it to the left edge of the present yet
Aug 11 05:23:16 <sugardave> oh just did
Aug 11 05:23:46 <Mark_M> The progress bar is going around the spinning circle, but seems stopped at 3 o'clock for a while.
Aug 11 05:24:30 <Mark_M> Need to have faith in apt
Aug 11 05:24:57 <torchie> yeah 3 o clock takes a while
Aug 11 05:24:58 <torchie> mine's done
Aug 11 05:25:02 <torchie> now I'm at glowy palm
Aug 11 05:25:18 <Anivrom> brick in 3..2...1
Aug 11 05:25:20 <torchie> I love the consistency of the install procedure
Aug 11 05:25:26 <LoneStar99> tibfib: just downloaded installing now
Aug 11 05:25:30 <torchie> everybody gets the same quirks lol
Aug 11 05:26:21 * sugardave tries to remember if he has any patches installed.
Aug 11 05:26:46 <Mark_M> I don't know why I am getting so worked up about this update.  Maybe because I had to restore the phone Sat/Sun from a Palm reset
Aug 11 05:26:51 <torchie> SUCCESS
Aug 11 05:26:53 <torchie> HYPE
Aug 11 05:27:12 <sugardave> woo
Aug 11 05:27:59 <Tibfib> goodnight
Aug 11 05:27:59 <dekan> night night, Tibfib
Aug 11 05:28:36 <LoneStar99> torchie: installing now
Aug 11 05:29:07 <torchie> sweet, found a free PDK app!
Aug 11 05:29:32 <Mark_M> torchie, which one?
Aug 11 05:29:48 <torchie> "piano"
Aug 11 05:29:54 <torchie> and I suspect "helicopter 3D"
Aug 11 05:30:15 <Mark_M> torchie, I'll look into it once the reboot is complete and patches are reapplied.
Aug 11 05:33:18 <torchie> Noted!
Aug 11 05:42:25 <Anivrom> so to copy an array all you have to do is var myCopy = myArray.slice();?
Aug 11 05:42:48 <sugardave> I prefer array.clone()
Aug 11 05:42:59 <Anivrom> is that a prototype thing?
Aug 11 05:43:08 <sugardave> I think so
Aug 11 05:43:12 <Anivrom> so it just works?
Aug 11 05:43:15 <sugardave> yep
Aug 11 05:43:17 <Anivrom> hmm
Aug 11 05:43:19 <Anivrom> cool
Aug 11 05:44:19 <Anivrom> wish I knew that before I created a complicated undo system. can't believe I never thought to copy the whole array and just restore it on undo
Aug 11 05:44:21 <sugardave> in the absence of Prototyp it would be what you have
Aug 11 05:44:53 <sugardave> except the example I see is array.splice(0)
Aug 11 05:44:58 <sugardave> oh splice, not slice
Aug 11 05:45:07 <Anivrom> although my way is far more memory efficient
Aug 11 05:45:12 <Anivrom> but who needs memory
Aug 11 05:47:14 <Mark_M> A crap, I didn't see that I had the GestureClick Context Menu Patched installed.  Now its EPR, EFV, and a restore.
Aug 11 05:47:46 <Mark_M> Its all Dieter's fault.
Aug 11 05:47:49 <sugardave> I'm rebooting after a new EPR install, so I can run it, then put the phone on the charger and hit install before hitting the sack
Aug 11 05:51:42 <rwhitby> Mark_M: BTW, it's ipkg, not apt ;)
Aug 11 05:52:58 <Mark_M> rwhitby, gotta keep my distributions straight. I was thinking Ubuntu not WebOS.
Aug 11 05:54:30 <Mark_M> rwhitby, your notes on the multiple package patches saved my bacon tonight. Running EPR now because I forgot to remove all of them before the upgrade.
Aug 11 05:55:05 <rwhitby> Mark_M: make sure you update in saved packages list and save/restore to make it easy after the EPR
Aug 11 05:56:03 <Mark_M> rwhitby, I did the update list and save/restore before the EPR. If I do it after then I won't have any patches listed right?
Aug 11 05:56:33 <rwhitby> right
Aug 11 05:56:45 <rwhitby> only do it before
Aug 11 05:56:54 <Mark_M> rwhitby, I reread your msg and got it straight.
Aug 11 05:57:19 <kesne> oh
Aug 11 05:57:21 <kesne> Hey all
Aug 11 05:57:26 <Mark_M> EPR done, phone wants to restart but it looks frozen.
Aug 11 05:57:46 <Mark_M> time for a battery pull
Aug 11 06:00:09 <Mark_M> rwhitby, so why is it that the Tasmanians don't want to get a free hook up to the NBN?
Aug 11 06:00:30 * rwhitby has no idea about Tasmanians
Aug 11 06:02:42 <Mark_M> rwhitby, np just thought that you may have some insight
Aug 11 06:05:34 <Anivrom> sugardave: clone doesn't work
Aug 11 06:10:32 <kesne> I'm leaving
Aug 11 06:10:37 <kesne> Buy everyone
Aug 11 06:10:41 <kesne> Also, bye everyone
Aug 11 06:10:46 <kesne> Also, bi everyone
Aug 11 06:15:23 <Mark_M> rwhitby, I ran EFV and some of the app files could not be verified there were only 4 of them. The files in /etc that I modified I'm not worried. What should I do?
Aug 11 06:22:53 <rwhitby> what are the files?
Aug 11 06:26:53 <Mark_M> They were /etc/profile, .clock/app/models/alarms.js, .clock/controllers/alarm-assistant.js, and .soundsandalterts/app/models/SystemServices.js
Aug 11 06:27:00 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 11 06:27:37 <Mark_M> I got in there and replaced all of the *.webosinternals.orig to those files and now I am running EFV again
Aug 11 06:28:01 <Mark_M> rwhitby, actually mv is more accurate
Aug 11 06:32:24 <Mark_M> I moved all of the *.webosinternals.orig to * in the stock applications and did the same for /etc/profile and left /etc/hosts, etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf alone
Aug 11 06:32:35 <Mark_M> rwhitby because I modified those files myself
Aug 11 06:37:41 <Mark_M> rwhitby, everything checks out with EFV except *.email/app/controllers/accountpreferences-assistant.js. I can't seem to find the right version. Is the source out yet?
Aug 11 06:42:06 <rwhitby> Mark_M: nope, palm.com/rom is still giving 1.4.1.1 for Sprint
Aug 11 06:42:37 <Mark_M> Then is EFV checking the md5sums for 1.4.1.1?
Aug 11 06:43:36 <Mark_M> rwhitby, the size of my acountpreferences-assistant.js on my phone is the same size as in the Doctor.
Aug 11 06:44:37 <rwhitby> EFV is checking the md5sums against /md5sums and /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums on the phone
Aug 11 06:45:52 <Mark_M> rwhitby, aah, didn't know that they were there.  I know *nix but the packaging is still a bit of a mystery to me. I finally got the right file back where it needs to be and EFV ocmpletes fine
Aug 11 06:46:07 <Mark_M> rwhitby, thanks.  Time to reinstall the patches.
Aug 11 06:46:58 <rwhitby> Mark_M: everything for rootfs is in /usr/lib/ipkg/*, everything for apps is in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/*
Aug 11 06:48:04 <Mark_M> rwhitby, thanks. that's good to know.  I'm not going to do a big "Install All" until I update some of the more picky patches.
Aug 11 06:49:30 <Mark_M> rwhitby, thank goodness I could PuTTy in and fix things manually.
Aug 11 06:50:12 <Mark_M> UberKernel is updating then I'll put on the multi-package patches before the little ones go on.
Aug 11 06:51:41 <Mark_M> rwhitby, the source generally lags a day to two behind the release.  I'll check in a day or two or wait until Jason announces it.
Aug 11 06:59:42 <LoneStar99> morning swisstomcat
Aug 11 07:00:10 <swisstomcat> morning lonestar
Aug 11 07:06:39 <Anivrom> hmm how do I modelChanged() a div?
Aug 11 07:06:47 <Anivrom> the image inside the div isnt updating
Aug 11 07:06:54 <Anivrom> when I change .src
Aug 11 07:07:09 <LoneStar99> anivrom: ok hlod
Aug 11 07:07:17 <oil> div widget has a model?
Aug 11 07:07:17 <oil> xD
Aug 11 07:07:21 <Anivrom> no
Aug 11 07:07:23 <Anivrom> but you know what I mean
Aug 11 07:07:28 <oil> .update()?
Aug 11 07:07:31 <Anivrom> hmm
Aug 11 07:07:36 <oil> .innerHTML = ?
Aug 11 07:07:50 <Anivrom> this.controller.get("imgPopup").src = game.rndFallingObject.item.imageurl;
Aug 11 07:08:12 <Anivrom> this.controller.get("imgPopup").update(); you're saying?
Aug 11 07:08:20 <oil> lol
Aug 11 07:08:20 <oil> no
Aug 11 07:08:25 <oil> .update("what to put in the div")
Aug 11 07:08:31 <Anivrom> ...
Aug 11 07:08:35 <oil> idk wtf you're doing
Aug 11 07:08:38 <LoneStar99> Anivrom: this.controller.get('mojo-scene-img-scene-scroller').setStyle({backgroundImage: url(images/bg/b34.png)});
Aug 11 07:08:42 <oil> imgPopup is a div? or an image?>
Aug 11 07:08:48 <oil> cause if its a div, you can't .src it
Aug 11 07:08:48 <Anivrom> its a div with an img tag
Aug 11 07:08:57 <oil> so <div><img>?
Aug 11 07:09:00 <Anivrom> idk its an ares thing
Aug 11 07:09:04 <oil> oh
Aug 11 07:09:05 <Anivrom> I just drag the "image" widget
Aug 11 07:09:08 <oil> lol
Aug 11 07:09:09 <LoneStar99> Anivrom:  mojo-scene-img-scene-scroller = your div
Aug 11 07:09:11 <Anivrom> dont know the behind the scenes
Aug 11 07:09:16 <oil> yeah, i dont know anything about ares
Aug 11 07:09:23 <oil> ignore all my comments
Aug 11 07:09:39 <swisstomcat> so you have to set the src of the image
Aug 11 07:09:40 <swisstomcat> <div><img id="bla" src=""></div>
Aug 11 07:09:49 <swisstomcat> this.controller.get("bla").src = game.rndFallingObject.item.imageurl;
Aug 11 07:10:04 <Anivrom> swisstomcat: I don't setup teh div myself
Aug 11 07:10:24 <Anivrom> Just gotta find the "ares way"
Aug 11 07:10:34 <Anivrom> I am able to do it in another piece of code and it works fine
Aug 11 07:10:40 <Anivrom> but anywhere else in my app it doesn't work
Aug 11 07:11:00 <Anivrom> this.controller.get("lightsImg").firstChild.src = ("images/cage elements/lightswitchon.png"); works fine
Aug 11 07:11:26 <Anivrom> but if I use that it doesnt work lol
Aug 11 07:14:45 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 07:15:02 <swisstomcat> can't you set the id of the image widet?
Aug 11 07:15:40 <Anivrom> I might have to set the class instead
Aug 11 07:19:24 <swisstomcat> how would that help?
Aug 11 07:19:29 <swisstomcat> can you set the id?
Aug 11 07:19:40 <Anivrom> dont know yet.
Aug 11 07:22:18 <Mark_M> Here we go with Preware to reinstall my patches.  AUPT is kicking butt.
Aug 11 07:23:52 <swisstomcat> let me start ares
Aug 11 07:25:27 <swisstomcat> are we talking about the picture widget?
Aug 11 07:25:32 <Anivrom> yea
Aug 11 07:27:07 <swisstomcat> hmm, i only see name
Aug 11 07:27:12 <Anivrom> ?
Aug 11 07:27:13 <Anivrom> yea
Aug 11 07:27:17 <Anivrom> and class
Aug 11 07:27:30 <Anivrom> You could do it through code though
Aug 11 07:30:02 <Anivrom> apparently it has an ID, view1-main-imgPopup-image
Aug 11 07:30:11 <swisstomcat> hmm, would this.$.image1.src= work?
Aug 11 07:30:27 <Anivrom> ill try that after I try this.
Aug 11 07:30:56 <Anivrom> this didnt work
Aug 11 07:30:58 <Anivrom> ill try that
Aug 11 07:31:35 <Anivrom> swisstomcat: where did you get image1 from?
Aug 11 07:31:37 <Anivrom> widget name?
Aug 11 07:31:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
Aug 11 07:32:48 <Anivrom> last try for the night.
Aug 11 07:32:49 <Anivrom> so tired
Aug 11 07:33:57 <Anivrom> nope didnt work
Aug 11 07:34:05 <swisstomcat> :/
Aug 11 07:34:15 * Anivrom is puzzled how a piece of code can work in 1 spot and not another
Aug 11 07:35:14 <swisstomcat> guess you could log out some stuff
Aug 11 07:35:25 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 07:35:27 <Anivrom> what is there to log
Aug 11 07:35:31 <swisstomcat> you're using this.controller.get("lightsImg").firstChild.src
Aug 11 07:35:38 <Anivrom> Which works
Aug 11 07:35:39 <Anivrom> fine
Aug 11 07:35:39 <swisstomcat> that's different from just src
Aug 11 07:35:51 <Anivrom> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=6320
Aug 11 07:35:58 <swisstomcat> lightsImg is a div?
Aug 11 07:36:00 <swisstomcat> notice the firstChild
Aug 11 07:36:11 <swisstomcat> so it's taking the first child-element of lightsImg
Aug 11 07:36:11 <Anivrom> lightsImg is an img widget
Aug 11 07:36:17 <Anivrom> ...
Aug 11 07:36:18 <Anivrom> hmm
Aug 11 07:36:22 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 07:36:24 <swisstomcat> try the same then
Aug 11 07:36:29 <Anivrom> maybe its not an image widget
Aug 11 07:36:45 <Anivrom> it is
Aug 11 07:36:51 <Anivrom> Its just a picture widget
Aug 11 07:36:57 <Anivrom> like the one I'm trying to use
Aug 11 07:37:14 <Anivrom> and I can update that one fine in the same section of code using firstChild
Aug 11 07:37:17 <Anivrom> same syntax
Aug 11 07:37:40 <Anivrom> it seems to be THAT one is the only one that can be updated
Aug 11 07:38:37 <swisstomcat> and did you use firstChild too on the second one?
Aug 11 07:38:48 <Anivrom> yes
Aug 11 07:38:53 <Anivrom> exact same syntax
Aug 11 07:38:55 <Anivrom> Different ID
Aug 11 07:39:19 <Anivrom> and using the same syntax same ID, I'm able to update lightsImg from my game.js
Aug 11 07:39:20 <swisstomcat> can you see the actual html produced by the image widget?
Aug 11 07:39:23 <Anivrom> so  its not a scope issue
Aug 11 07:40:14 <swisstomcat> try Mojo.Info.Log(this.controller.get("imgPopup"));
Aug 11 07:40:22 <Anivrom> why?
Aug 11 07:40:53 <Anivrom> I have manually looked inside the imgPopup element during runtime.
Aug 11 07:41:01 <Anivrom> I put a brekapoint on the line that tries to update
Aug 11 07:41:12 <Anivrom> everything looks ok
Aug 11 07:41:33 <swisstomcat> i want to see what object imgPopup is
Aug 11 07:41:37 <Anivrom> Its a div
Aug 11 07:41:46 <Anivrom> With an image element inside it
Aug 11 07:42:35 <Anivrom> I think I'm gonna go to bed and tackle this tomorrow. Atleast I got almost all of random drops working tonight
Aug 11 07:42:41 <swisstomcat> does the div have an id?
Aug 11 07:42:46 <Anivrom> Um
Aug 11 07:42:53 <Anivrom> Yea the id is imgPopup
Aug 11 07:43:26 <swisstomcat> i'd do Mojo.Info.Log(this.controller.get("imgPopup").firstChild); then
Aug 11 07:43:37 <Anivrom> I have looked at that
Aug 11 07:43:39 <swisstomcat> to see if it returns something
Aug 11 07:43:40 <Anivrom> It's an image element
Aug 11 07:43:41 <swisstomcat> and?
Aug 11 07:43:51 <swisstomcat> so src should work
Aug 11 07:43:55 <Anivrom> but doesn't
Aug 11 07:43:56 <Anivrom> :P
Aug 11 07:44:06 <swisstomcat> what does Mojo.Info.Log(this.controller.get("imgPopup").firstChild.src); show?
Aug 11 07:44:18 <Anivrom> Whatever I put in
Aug 11 07:44:28 <swisstomcat> so that part works
Aug 11 07:44:30 <Anivrom> just not getting updated
Aug 11 07:44:38 <swisstomcat> i see
Aug 11 07:44:40 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 07:44:52 <Anivrom> but the same syntax works elsewhere and it DOES get updated
Aug 11 07:45:12 <swisstomcat> how is the code flow?
Aug 11 07:45:18 <Anivrom> ?
Aug 11 07:45:22 <swisstomcat> you set different images on that image-widget
Aug 11 07:45:30 <swisstomcat> ?
Aug 11 07:45:39 <swisstomcat> when or how do you set the src
Aug 11 07:45:41 <Anivrom> yes they would be dynamic
Aug 11 07:45:42 <swisstomcat> do you change the src
Aug 11 07:45:49 <Anivrom> I
Aug 11 07:45:53 <swisstomcat> describe
Aug 11 07:45:56 <Anivrom> I'll post the code.
Aug 11 07:46:08 <Anivrom> this.controller.get("lightsImg").firstChild.src = ("images/cage elements/lightswitchon.png");
Aug 11 07:46:34 <swisstomcat> why the ()?
Aug 11 07:46:50 <Anivrom> cause thats what I was taught
Aug 11 07:46:53 <Anivrom> and it works.
Aug 11 07:46:55 <Anivrom> O_O
Aug 11 07:47:16 <swisstomcat> ok
Aug 11 07:48:05 <swisstomcat> what image src is set at the beginning?
Aug 11 07:48:15 <swisstomcat> emtpy?
Aug 11 07:48:21 <Anivrom> no
Aug 11 07:48:49 <Anivrom> its got lights on
Aug 11 07:49:09 <Anivrom> ugh...
Aug 11 07:49:15 <Anivrom> might have figured it out
Aug 11 07:51:07 <Anivrom> Yea
Aug 11 07:51:50 <Anivrom> So when I assign a source during designtime it works...
Aug 11 07:52:43 <Anivrom> gay. anyhow I'm heading out now, Have a good one guys
Aug 11 07:55:47 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  did anivrom get the image stuff working?
Aug 11 07:56:13 <swisstomcat> more or less
Aug 11 07:56:13 <swisstomcat> but he had to leave
Aug 11 07:57:58 <LoneStar99> oh ok
Aug 11 07:58:12 <LoneStar99> was tweaking some stuff serverside
Aug 11 07:58:59 <snang> My fart is lingering.
Aug 11 07:59:19 <LoneStar99> great! excited for the smell
Aug 11 07:59:35 <snang> I'm not.
Aug 11 07:59:45 <snang> I think it's in my chair cushion and when I move it keeps coming out.
Aug 11 07:59:51 <snang> Either that or I shit myself.
Aug 11 07:59:58 <LoneStar99> damn
Aug 11 08:00:05 <gabe2gg> hi guys
Aug 11 08:00:16 <snang> hi2uplz
Aug 11 08:00:44 <gabe2gg> has anyone doctored to 1.3.5 to download flash?
Aug 11 08:00:58 <snang> You guys heard they're trying to build a mosque at 9/11 ground zero?
Aug 11 08:01:37 <LoneStar99> snang: yeah the mosque was approved
Aug 11 08:01:39 <LoneStar99> last week
Aug 11 08:01:57 <swisstomcat> gabe2gg: why would anyone do that?
Aug 11 08:01:59 <snang> Not sure I understand the reasoning behind that and how it even got approved.
Aug 11 08:02:22 <swisstomcat> why?
Aug 11 08:02:29 <LoneStar99> it is gonna be 13 stories
Aug 11 08:02:39 <snang> Why a mosque...and why there?
Aug 11 08:02:46 <swisstomcat> why not?
Aug 11 08:02:49 <gabe2gg> because there was a flash download only available for 1.3.5
Aug 11 08:03:08 <swisstomcat> it was an ancient beta of flash
Aug 11 08:03:09 <gabe2gg> I tried to download on 1.4.5  but it didn't work
Aug 11 08:03:10 <swisstomcat> i heard
Aug 11 08:03:26 <LoneStar99> flash still around?
Aug 11 08:03:28 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 11 08:03:30 <snang> I just don't really understand the reasoning, that's all.
Aug 11 08:03:34 <gabe2gg> I'm gonna try docoring to see if it downloads
Aug 11 08:03:37 <swisstomcat> why not a mosque?
Aug 11 08:03:52 <snang> why a mosque?
Aug 11 08:04:27 <swisstomcat> circular questions
Aug 11 08:04:45 <LoneStar99> snang: i see no problem with a mosque being built there, it is like protection, no terrorist will be blowing up shit around the mosque
Aug 11 08:04:46 <snang> Not that I really understand why it's still just a hole, a decade later.
Aug 11 08:04:57 <snang> A mosque has nothing to do with terrorism.
Aug 11 08:05:01 <snang> That's not my point.
Aug 11 08:05:50 <snang> I just don't understand, given the events that DID occur at that location, the religion of the people suspected to be involved, why that choice?
Aug 11 08:05:58 <snang> Just seems like salt on the wound, per say.
Aug 11 08:06:00 <LoneStar99> i just kidding, do not see anything wrong with it, they still need to raise the $$
Aug 11 08:06:08 <LoneStar99> like $100+ million or so
Aug 11 08:06:41 <gabe2gg> so swiss do you think it will work?
Aug 11 08:06:45 <swisstomcat> what does it have to do with the religion of the people involved in the attacks?
Aug 11 08:07:25 <swisstomcat> the islam is a big religion .. the attackers were extremists
Aug 11 08:07:32 <snang> I understand that.
Aug 11 08:07:42 <swisstomcat> you also see extremists christians (even in the us)
Aug 11 08:07:51 <snang> Reverse the roles.
Aug 11 08:08:06 <snang> Radical Christians attack a building in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Aug 11 08:08:20 <snang> In place of that building, we build a 13 story Baptist church.
Aug 11 08:08:33 <swisstomcat> probably not
Aug 11 08:08:36 <snang> Makes little to no sense.
Aug 11 08:08:45 <swisstomcat> but that doesn't mean we should do the same (not allow it)
Aug 11 08:09:03 <snang> So we're allowing it just for the sake of appearing open minded?
Aug 11 08:09:12 <snang> Advocation religious freedom?
Aug 11 08:09:15 <snang> +of
Aug 11 08:09:18 <swisstomcat> sure
Aug 11 08:09:30 <snang> It makes no sense, regardless.
Aug 11 08:09:50 <swisstomcat> and i don't think it was allowed to appear open minded
Aug 11 08:09:52 <snang> Of all the things that could be built there, a new WTC, a memorial, whatever.
Aug 11 08:10:06 <snang> It just seems a bit insulting to me.
Aug 11 08:10:18 <snang> To those who lost loved ones in the attacks.
Aug 11 08:10:21 <swisstomcat> don't they build the other stuff there too
Aug 11 08:10:28 <swisstomcat> wtc,memorial,etc.
Aug 11 08:10:50 <snang> Not that I've heard, I dunno.
Aug 11 08:11:09 <swisstomcat> no wtc and memorial anymore?
Aug 11 08:11:18 <LoneStar99> to me what is insulting is the government not releasing healthcare funds to all the folks that helped during 911
Aug 11 08:11:29 <snang> Again, not that I've heard, but I haven't been following it.
Aug 11 08:11:39 <snang> Just heard about the mosque and was taken by surprise.
Aug 11 08:12:05 <swisstomcat> i don't connect the mosque and the attacks
Aug 11 08:12:08 <swisstomcat> maybe some people do
Aug 11 08:12:20 <LoneStar99> alot of sick volunteers out there and our congress shot them the middle finger
Aug 11 08:12:33 <snang> Neither do I.
Aug 11 08:12:59 <snang> If the roles were reversed, this wouldn't be happening.
Aug 11 08:13:00 <LoneStar99> got a headache...
Aug 11 08:13:13 <snang> I know the people who carried out the attacks are extremists, but still followers of that religion.
Aug 11 08:13:51 <snang> In that regard, it seems inappropriate and like "salt on the wound."
Aug 11 08:13:58 * snang shrugs
Aug 11 08:15:29 <swisstomcat> but you can only reverse the rules in countries like pakistan or Afghanistan. Does that mean we should react the same way?
Aug 11 08:15:51 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  you ever go to austria?
Aug 11 08:15:54 <snang> In any country, just used those as an example.
Aug 11 08:16:23 <swisstomcat> what other country for example?
Aug 11 08:16:29 <snang> Does it mean we shouldn't react the same way just to uphold some sort of image that we're so open minded and willing to accept people and their religious beliefs?
Aug 11 08:16:33 <swisstomcat> turkey?
Aug 11 08:17:05 <snang> Any country. If a group of extremist Catholics attacked the Opera house in Sydney.
Aug 11 08:17:20 <snang> You think they'd be ok with a Catholic church being built on the grounds of the house where thousands of people died?
Aug 11 08:17:36 <swisstomcat> are we just upholding an image or are we really trying to be open minded and accepting people and their religious beliefs?
Aug 11 08:17:40 <snang> Extremists or not, they're still followers of the Catholic faith.
Aug 11 08:18:13 <swisstomcat> i don't think we're just upholding an image
Aug 11 08:18:49 <snang> That's what it seems like to me.
Aug 11 08:19:01 <snang> We're allowing it just to try and prove to the world how strong and open minded the country is.
Aug 11 08:19:03 <swisstomcat> i hope it's not true
Aug 11 08:19:34 <swisstomcat> i can see your point if you're saying that they're just building a mosque/church on the grounds of an attack
Aug 11 08:19:56 <swisstomcat> and nothing else
Aug 11 08:20:21 <snang> I don't know why they're doing it...that's my concern.
Aug 11 08:20:34 <snang> It seems weird to me.
Aug 11 08:21:15 <swisstomcat> "Construction of Ground Zero is Moving Along as Planned"
Aug 11 08:28:22 <swisstomcat> and the mosque is two blocks away
Aug 11 08:29:10 <snang> I dunno man. I'll follow it and see what happens.
Aug 11 08:29:15 <snang> For now, sleep calls.
Aug 11 08:29:17 <snang> Take it easy.
Aug 11 08:29:31 <swisstomcat> cu, sleep well
Aug 11 08:30:27 <LoneStar99> lates snang
Aug 11 08:30:37 <LoneStar99> i think i will be foolwing
Aug 11 08:31:06 <LoneStar99> need to release a web distro in the am
Aug 11 08:32:04 <LoneStar99> it is am , i guess later in the am
Aug 11 08:36:14 <swisstomcat> night lonestar
Aug 11 08:40:42 <LoneStar99> latrs swisstomcat
Aug 11 08:40:55 <LoneStar99> be back in a few hours
Aug 11 10:07:39 <whoolio> i hate apple!
Aug 11 10:08:11 <whoolio> you could build an app in the time it takes to download all the certs, and provisioning profile crap, and then try to submit hte app
Aug 11 10:08:32 <whoolio> why the hell is it so complicated?
Aug 11 10:30:44 <swisstomcat> rehi
Aug 11 10:39:55 <whoolio> hey swisstomcat
Aug 11 10:40:09 <swisstomcat> hey whoolio
Aug 11 10:40:10 <swisstomcat> did you get your cable already?
Aug 11 10:40:28 <whoolio> ill get it friday
Aug 11 11:28:16 * haeffb_ downloading
Aug 11 11:49:27 * haeffb_ rebooting
Aug 11 12:00:42 <bhodder> Morning all
Aug 11 12:01:22 <swisstomcat> mronign
Aug 11 12:04:02 <LoneStar99> morning all
Aug 11 12:04:17 <bhodder> Morning
Aug 11 12:04:42 <swisstomcat> rehi lonestar
Aug 11 12:05:30 <LoneStar99> rehi back
Aug 11 12:13:36 <LoneStar99> what happened to 2 hour web distros.... just updated my web distro app and it states "download will be available in 24 hours..."
Aug 11 12:13:57 <swisstomcat> that's what they say
Aug 11 12:14:12 <swisstomcat> i don't think it doesn't take that long
Aug 11 12:14:19 <LoneStar99> oh ok,
Aug 11 12:15:13 <LoneStar99> finally got 1.4.5 yesterday for device
Aug 11 12:15:24 <swisstomcat> yay
Aug 11 12:15:41 <LoneStar99> yeah could not hear mp3 files from my own app
Aug 11 12:17:41 <LoneStar99> until 1.4.5
Aug 11 12:20:02 <bhodder> what is it you are refering to by web distro app LoneStar99?
Aug 11 12:20:45 <swisstomcat> you can choose app catalog,web or beta when you submit an app
Aug 11 12:20:52 <LoneStar99> bhodder:  an app that does not go through the app catalog
Aug 11 12:24:23 <LoneStar99> bhodder: http://uoid.me/distro1
Aug 11 12:24:52 <bhodder> oh ok
Aug 11 12:25:25 <bhodder> sorry my misunderstanding I thought you were refering to a specific app
Aug 11 12:26:10 <LoneStar99> bhodder: yeah my app http://bobchatter.com
Aug 11 12:42:43 <bhodder> cool
Aug 11 12:43:31 <CTLAdvance> do we have the webOS doctor for 1.4.5
Aug 11 12:45:14 <HattCzech_work> yeah
Aug 11 12:45:20 <HattCzech_work> comes with the sdk
Aug 11 12:45:41 <HattCzech_work> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 12:45:42 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 12:45:59 <swisstomcat> dekan #fail
Aug 11 12:46:06 <bhodder> it is already here in Canada
Aug 11 12:46:23 <HattCzech_work> hey bhodder , i got ssh working
Aug 11 12:46:41 <HattCzech_work> sftp i'm not sure about, but that'll come soon
Aug 11 12:47:42 <HattCzech_work> did you manage to get yours working?
Aug 11 12:47:49 <bhodder> not yet
Aug 11 12:48:03 <HattCzech_work> need help? i've got it figured out...
Aug 11 12:48:07 <HattCzech_work> or at least i think i do
Aug 11 12:48:08 <bhodder> still was getting the listening on 0.0.0.0:222
Aug 11 12:48:16 <bhodder> sure if you dont mind
Aug 11 12:48:21 <HattCzech_work> found out that's fine
Aug 11 12:48:59 <HattCzech_work> you trying to login using a key or user/pw?
Aug 11 12:49:13 <bhodder> oh really, what am i missing
Aug 11 12:49:13 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: i know it's been along time, do you still need the translations?
Aug 11 12:49:21 <bhodder> user/pw
Aug 11 12:49:35 <HattCzech_work> yeah, LoneStar99, that would be cool
Aug 11 12:49:48 <HattCzech_work> (don't worry, i had forgotten about them, too) :)
Aug 11 12:50:13 <HattCzech_work> bhodder: did you change the ssh options to allow that? (are you using openssh or dropbear?)
Aug 11 12:50:23 <bhodder> openssh
Aug 11 12:50:43 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work: ok will begin working on them right now,
Aug 11 12:50:56 <HattCzech_work> awesome, thanks'
Aug 11 12:50:59 <LoneStar99> got bogged down the past few weeks
Aug 11 12:51:16 <HattCzech_work> i know what you mean
Aug 11 12:52:01 <HattCzech_work> bhodder: the line should look like...
Aug 11 12:52:45 <HattCzech_work> exec /opt/bin/sshd -D -p 222 -o "PermitRootLogin without-password"
Aug 11 12:53:13 <HattCzech_work> and then the two iptables lines should be changed to ..
Aug 11 12:53:47 <HattCzech_work> ... INPUT -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT ...
Aug 11 12:54:10 <HattCzech_work> (getting rid of the -i eth0 so you can use it over evdo)
Aug 11 12:54:28 <bhodder> I had removed that
Aug 11 12:55:10 <bhodder> what about the /bin/true at the end of the first iptables line
Aug 11 12:55:46 <HattCzech_work> leave it
Aug 11 12:55:51 <HattCzech_work> that's the ...
Aug 11 12:56:14 <HattCzech_work> both lines should be basically the same, except for the -I and -D
Aug 11 12:56:27 <HattCzech_work> (and the || /bin/true at the end)
Aug 11 12:59:24 <HattCzech_work> bhodder: got all that configured?
Aug 11 13:09:37 <bhodder> about to test it now
Aug 11 13:17:57 <bhodder> still no luck on that one :(
Aug 11 13:20:52 <bhodder> It continues to Timeout
Aug 11 13:33:06 <HattCzech_work> bhodder: did you start and stop the service?
Aug 11 13:33:13 <HattCzech_work> and did you add a user
Aug 11 13:33:16 <HattCzech_work> ?
Aug 11 13:37:32 <bhodder> have you ever recieved permision denied when restarting the service
Aug 11 13:38:16 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, not when restarting
Aug 11 13:38:41 <HattCzech_work> although i had an issue where it would stay running (so it wasn't listening on the port)
Aug 11 13:39:04 <bhodder> how do you restart it?
Aug 11 13:39:33 <HattCzech_work> stop mobi.optware.openssh in the command line
Aug 11 13:39:37 <HattCzech_work> then start ...
Aug 11 13:41:53 <bhodder> did both of those and it still times out
Aug 11 13:46:14 <ryand> hello webos
Aug 11 13:46:29 <HattCzech_work> hmmm
Aug 11 13:46:33 <HattCzech_work> hey ryand
Aug 11 13:46:41 <HattCzech_work> bhodder: you added a user?
Aug 11 13:46:55 <HattCzech_work> and tried logging in as that user?
Aug 11 13:47:13 <bhodder> yup, and nothing
Aug 11 13:48:27 <HattCzech_work> what's your ip? i can try it from my end... :/
Aug 11 13:49:25 <swisstomcat> hello ryand
Aug 11 13:49:45 <bhodder> hello ryand
Aug 11 14:00:40 <whoolio> anyon eknow if theres code to prevent resizing for a palm mobile page
Aug 11 14:00:57 <whoolio> i dont want the user to be able to pinch nd zoom in
Aug 11 14:07:52 <swisstomcat> in a webview?
Aug 11 14:07:57 <whoolio> yeah
Aug 11 14:08:29 <whoolio> the iphone has <meta content="width=device-width; initial-scale=1.0;  maximum-scale=1.0; user-scalable=0;" name="viewport" />
Aug 11 14:09:20 <swisstomcat> you could try to add that to the file/url you're loading
Aug 11 14:09:53 <whoolio> yeah...not working.
Aug 11 14:09:57 <whoolio> im giving up
Aug 11 14:10:09 <whoolio> 12 hours is enough to work  on one thign
Aug 11 14:16:12 <haeffb_pre> ok, needed fstabfix
Aug 11 14:19:02 <haeffb_pre> oil: might be good to add to the "waiting on plugin" message
Aug 11 14:20:42 <madnificent> is the networking on my pre a bit odd, or is it normal that it fails to download things from time to time
Aug 11 14:22:46 <ryand> too bad whoolio quit.  found his solution.  there is a meta tag but it's slightly different than iPhone's.  link if anyone is interested:  http://bit.ly/9Hjkvm
Aug 11 14:23:44 <swisstomcat> i can send him an email
Aug 11 14:24:31 <ryand> haven't tried it but it's palm's doc so i'm assuming it's accurate (perhaps naively)
Aug 11 14:26:02 <swisstomcat> i sent him an email
Aug 11 14:26:53 <ryand> only difference is user-scalable=no vs. =0 but that could be the key
Aug 11 14:26:56 <ryand> thx
Aug 11 14:29:33 <sugardave> I let the install roll last night when I went to bed
Aug 11 14:29:39 <sugardave> 1.4.5 BRICKED MY PHONE
Aug 11 14:29:42 <sugardave> just kidding
Aug 11 14:29:56 <bhodder> lol that would not have been good
Aug 11 14:32:14 <sugardave> oil: ping
Aug 11 14:32:25 <sugardave> oh nevermind
Aug 11 14:32:30 <sugardave> I see haeff has been here
Aug 11 14:32:53 <haeffb_pre> got it
Aug 11 14:33:12 <sugardave> I thought they had fixed the fstabfix
Aug 11 14:33:14 <oil> it says you need EFF in the descrption
Aug 11 14:33:16 <oil> and in the thread
Aug 11 14:36:36 <swisstomcat> morning sugardave
Aug 11 14:36:44 <sugardave> good morning
Aug 11 14:36:44 <dekan> good morning sugardave
Aug 11 14:36:47 <swisstomcat> breakfast club?
Aug 11 14:36:54 <sugardave> yeah...you ever seen it?
Aug 11 14:37:07 <sugardave> swisstomcat: btw, I did not write THOSE flash card apps
Aug 11 14:37:10 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Aug 11 14:37:24 <sugardave> swisstomcat: oh, then you won't get the reference :P
Aug 11 14:37:32 <swisstomcat> heh
Aug 11 14:37:38 <swisstomcat> clear my confusion please
Aug 11 14:37:55 <sugardave> it's about some highschool kids serving saturday detention
Aug 11 14:38:03 <sugardave> one from each of the cliques
Aug 11 14:38:15 <sugardave> and the weird girl is involved in some discussion
Aug 11 14:38:24 <sugardave> and the juck shouts "WHO CARES?!?!"
Aug 11 14:38:26 <sugardave> jock
Aug 11 14:38:37 <sugardave> and she says in this eally meek voice "I care" and cries a little
Aug 11 14:38:38 <CTLAdvance> zdo we have the doctors yet?
Aug 11 14:38:48 <HattCzech_work> ooohhhh... gmail improved their interface... and contact management
Aug 11 14:38:49 <HattCzech_work> nice
Aug 11 14:39:10 <CTLAdvance> better indexing of your life they can
Aug 11 14:39:16 <bhodder> lol
Aug 11 14:40:34 <CTLAdvance> bing now uses wolfram alpha
Aug 11 14:42:24 * plasmasolutions has to restart his nb
Aug 11 14:45:08 <gabe2gg> since the flash beta only works with 1.3.5 if I doctor will I be able to download?
Aug 11 14:45:10 <sugardave> wow preware feed updates are a lot faster than I remember
Aug 11 14:45:26 <sugardave> gabe2gg: for what purpose?
Aug 11 14:45:51 <Tibfib> gabe2gg: no. they pulled the app
Aug 11 14:46:28 <swisstomcat> it's an ancient beta ... how would that help?
Aug 11 14:46:28 <gabe2gg> ok nvm
Aug 11 14:46:57 * HattCzech_work wonders where flash is...
Aug 11 14:47:10 * HattCzech_work remembers when it was supposed to be out in October of 2009
Aug 11 14:48:11 <Tibfib> dekan, flash is never coming
Aug 11 14:48:11 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 14:48:30 <swisstomcat> they said first half of 2010 ... checks date .. oh, wait
Aug 11 14:49:04 <sugardave> maybe the meant the next 2010
Aug 11 14:49:13 <sugardave> so 2012 years from now
Aug 11 14:49:20 <swisstomcat> heh
Aug 11 14:50:49 <Tibfib> so I'm running into a bug where I can't change a list within a certain timeframe or it bugs
Aug 11 14:50:53 <Tibfib> anyone find this?
Aug 11 14:51:45 <sugardave> Tibfib: not yet
Aug 11 14:52:47 <Tibfib> It's a pain in the butt. It means if someone tries to send a message at the same time they recieve one, it craps out on me
Aug 11 14:52:53 <HattCzech_work> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 14:52:54 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 14:53:03 <HattCzech_work> dekan: forget 1.4.5
Aug 11 14:53:04 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 11 14:53:15 <sugardave> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 14:53:16 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 14:53:18 <sugardave> forget that
Aug 11 14:53:22 <sugardave> dekan: forget that
Aug 11 14:53:23 <dekan> Error 42: Factoid not in database.  Please contact administrator of current universe.
Aug 11 14:53:25 <bhodder> its already here
Aug 11 14:53:27 <sugardave> dammit
Aug 11 14:53:28 <bryanroth> ?
Aug 11 14:53:28 <Tibfib> dekan: delete 1.4.5
Aug 11 14:53:29 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 11 14:53:33 <Tibfib> botsmack
Aug 11 14:53:33 * dekan dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died.
Aug 11 14:53:37 <HattCzech_work> lol
Aug 11 14:53:38 <Tibfib> dangit, come on.
Aug 11 14:53:45 <sugardave> botsmack
Aug 11 14:53:46 * dekan cowers
Aug 11 14:53:55 <Tibfib> . . .
Aug 11 14:54:35 <bryanroth> Anyone know how to overlay an icon in a button widget? similar to wIRC...
Aug 11 14:54:53 <haeffb_pre> oil: nobody reads those
Aug 11 14:55:03 <sugardave> tl;dnr
Aug 11 14:56:31 <zumbrujm> hey everyone, just getting started with webOS, and was hoping for a pointer or two on how to use Ares.  If you could point me in the right direction that would be great.  I'm basically just trying to figure out the right sequence of buttons to push when I want to run my app in the emulator after changing the code on Ares.
Aug 11 14:56:43 <swisstomcat> bbl
Aug 11 14:57:17 <sugardave> zumbrujm: if you don't get an answer soon, wait until Anivrom gets here
Aug 11 14:57:45 <zumbrujm> okay, thanks sugardave
Aug 11 14:58:43 <swisstomcat> zumbrujm: it should be just the blue arrow on the top (launch)
Aug 11 14:58:50 <swisstomcat> between save and help
Aug 11 14:58:56 <zumbrujm> okay
Aug 11 14:59:07 <maik> dekan: flash?
Aug 11 14:59:07 <dekan> flash is never coming
Aug 11 14:59:09 <zumbrujm> so I have the emulator running on my desktop
Aug 11 14:59:09 <maik> heh
Aug 11 14:59:23 <swisstomcat> bbl
Aug 11 14:59:50 <zumbrujm> swisstomcat:: and when I click the blue launch button, it says launching application, but doesn't seem to do anything after that
Aug 11 15:00:10 <zumbrujm> is it supposed to popup a new window, or launch the app in the emulator on my desktop?
Aug 11 15:02:24 <bryanroth> Anyone know how to overlay an icon on a button widget? An example are the buttons used in wIRC.
Aug 11 15:02:29 <HattCzech_work> maik: do i need permission to edit dekan?
Aug 11 15:02:48 <maik> HattCzech_work: it kinda depends on what you want to do
Aug 11 15:03:14 <HattCzech_work> trying to make it forget 1.4.5 so i can make it something else :)
Aug 11 15:03:47 <maik> generally regular users can't delete factoids, you can tell him something else to go with 1.4.5 and he will add that to the list of facts about 1.4.5, then when it gets triggered it will come up randomly
Aug 11 15:03:51 <maik> dekan: literal 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:03:52 <dekan> 1.4.5 (#129) is never coming
Aug 11 15:04:21 <maik> dekan: 1.4.5 <reply> 1.4.5 may come...some day
Aug 11 15:04:21 <dekan> Okay, maik.
Aug 11 15:04:24 <maik> dekan: literal 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:04:25 <dekan> 1.4.5 (#129) is never coming|(#265) <reply> 1.4.5 may come...some day
Aug 11 15:04:30 <maik> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:04:31 <dekan> 1.4.5 may come...some day
Aug 11 15:04:34 <maik> see?
Aug 11 15:04:45 <maik> dekan: forget that
Aug 11 15:04:46 <dekan> Okay, maik, forgot that 1.4.5 <reply> 1.4.5 may come...some day
Aug 11 15:04:53 <maik> dekan: literal 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:04:53 <dekan> 1.4.5 (#129) is never coming
Aug 11 15:04:58 <Tibfib> maik: he only listens to you
Aug 11 15:05:08 <maik> Tibfib: for a lot of stuff, yes
Aug 11 15:05:14 <john1313> testing, am I working
Aug 11 15:05:18 <maik> but anyone can teach him things, and anyone can teach him additional things
Aug 11 15:05:20 <maik> john1313: nope.
Aug 11 15:05:22 <HattCzech_work> i keep getting "That is not bananas" :)
Aug 11 15:05:24 <sugardave> john1313: but are you really?
Aug 11 15:05:30 <maik> HattCzech_work: show me what you're doing
Aug 11 15:05:47 <john1313> I don't know
Aug 11 15:05:55 <HattCzech_work> 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:06:01 <HattCzech_work> oops
Aug 11 15:06:03 <HattCzech_work> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:06:04 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 15:06:14 <sugardave> nobody has heard from renegaid/rolsworth this morning?
Aug 11 15:06:22 <bhodder> Where is the best place to learn how to use ares
Aug 11 15:06:27 <HattCzech_work> dekan: 1.4.5 is also <reply> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:06:28 <dekan> Okay, HattCzech_work.
Aug 11 15:06:34 <HattCzech_work> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:06:35 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 15:06:46 <bhodder> nope
Aug 11 15:06:49 <HattCzech_work> dekan: literal 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:06:50 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming|<reply> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:06:53 <maik> oh, i see, you have good reason for wanting him to forget it
Aug 11 15:06:57 <maik> dekan: literal 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:06:57 <dekan> 1.4.5 (#129) is never coming|(#266) <reply> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:07:06 <maik> dekan: delete #129
Aug 11 15:07:07 <dekan> Okay, maik, deleted '1.4.5 is never coming'.
Aug 11 15:07:13 <HattCzech_work> yeah :)
Aug 11 15:07:25 <HattCzech_work> 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:07:29 <HattCzech_work> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:07:29 <dekan> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:07:39 <HattCzech_work> there we go ;) that's all i wanted
Aug 11 15:07:49 <maik> ya, i'll have to look a little more.  i think it's by design that only his ops can delete factoids
Aug 11 15:07:57 <HattCzech_work> gotcha
Aug 11 15:08:11 <sugardave> dekan: /op me
Aug 11 15:08:11 <dekan> Unhand me, defiler!
Aug 11 15:08:14 <sugardave> heh
Aug 11 15:08:33 <maik> although, try pasting this for me: dekan: 1.4.5 =~ s/is FINALLY HERE!/is never coming/
Aug 11 15:08:48 <bhodder> dekan: 1.4.5 =~ s/is FINALLY HERE!/is never coming/
Aug 11 15:08:49 <dekan> Okay, bhodder, factoid updated.
Aug 11 15:08:56 <maik> so you can edit factoids like that
Aug 11 15:09:06 <john1313> I have 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:09:15 <sugardave> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:09:15 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 15:09:31 <bhodder> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:09:32 <dekan> 1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 15:09:34 <sugardave> dekan: 1.4.5 =~ s/is never coming/is FINALLY HERE!/
Aug 11 15:09:35 <dekan> Okay, sugardave, factoid updated.
Aug 11 15:09:37 <maik> also, a trigger is only automatically responded to if it's >6 characters long, otherwise he has to be addressed
Aug 11 15:09:40 <maik> hence
Aug 11 15:09:41 <maik> 1.4.5.1
Aug 11 15:09:42 <dekan> 1.4.5.1 is due out 10 Aug according to precentral rumor. now shut your mouth, sugardave.
Aug 11 15:09:45 <sugardave> hahaha
Aug 11 15:09:45 <maik> works, but 1.4.5 doesn't
Aug 11 15:09:50 <maik> sugardave: :D
Aug 11 15:09:54 <Tibfib> v1.4.5
Aug 11 15:09:54 <dekan> v1.4.5 is never coming
Aug 11 15:09:59 <Tibfib> scoobysnack
Aug 11 15:09:59 <dekan> Scoobydoobeedoo!
Aug 11 15:11:04 <maik> so is the 1.4.5 that's out no different than what was released to early access users?
Aug 11 15:11:17 <john1313> what is the meaning of life
Aug 11 15:11:35 <maik> john1313: waffles
Aug 11 15:11:36 <dekan> waffles are better than pancakes because they have a grid system to retain syrup and other delectable toppings
Aug 11 15:11:41 <maik> haha
Aug 11 15:11:47 * maik pats dekan
Aug 11 15:11:47 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr
Aug 11 15:11:50 <sugardave> dammit, still can't set dekan factoids in /msg
Aug 11 15:11:59 <maik> you can't?
Aug 11 15:12:10 <maik> dekan: foo
Aug 11 15:12:11 <dekan> foo is bar
Aug 11 15:12:15 <maik> i just did
Aug 11 15:12:17 <maik> dekan: forget that
Aug 11 15:12:17 <dekan> Okay, maik, forgot that foo is bar
Aug 11 15:12:30 <sugardave> I try with a <reply> and it don't work good
Aug 11 15:12:36 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1 in the urn is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 15:12:37 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 15:12:43 <maik> dekan: foo is <reply> bar
Aug 11 15:12:44 <dekan> Okay, maik.
Aug 11 15:12:45 <maik> oops
Aug 11 15:12:49 <maik> dekan: delete foo
Aug 11 15:12:50 <dekan> Okay, maik, 1 factoid deleted.
Aug 11 15:12:58 <maik> dekan: foo
Aug 11 15:12:59 <dekan> bar
Aug 11 15:13:02 * maik shrug
Aug 11 15:13:04 <sugardave> dekan hates me
Aug 11 15:13:11 <maik> /msg dekan foo is <reply> bar
Aug 11 15:13:12 <maik> right?
Aug 11 15:13:15 <CTLAdvance> foo
Aug 11 15:13:16 <maik> wutup dp
Aug 11 15:13:30 <sugardave> maik: more or less...doing it from a /msg window already open
Aug 11 15:13:33 <maik> CTLAdvance: for any triggers < 7 characters dekan has to be addressed to trigger them
Aug 11 15:13:39 <maik> sugardave: weird
Aug 11 15:13:55 <CTLAdvance> Do we have doctors yet, or were early access docs the same as what was released
Aug 11 15:13:56 <sugardave> dekan: hurricane is <reply> mmmm, sexy!
Aug 11 15:13:56 <dekan> Okay, sugardave.
Aug 11 15:14:19 <bhodder> dekan: hurricane
Aug 11 15:14:20 <dekan> mmmm, sexy!
Aug 11 15:14:38 <maik> sugardave: you're not doing "/msg dekan dekan: foo is bar" are you?
Aug 11 15:14:45 <bhodder> Who created dekan
Aug 11 15:14:46 <sugardave> no
Aug 11 15:14:46 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1 is <reply> worth 2 in the bush!
Aug 11 15:14:47 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 15:14:49 <maik> bhodder: me
Aug 11 15:14:52 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1
Aug 11 15:14:52 <dekan> worth 2 in the bush!
Aug 11 15:14:55 <bhodder> ohhh ok
Aug 11 15:15:18 <maik> bhodder: well, i didn't write him, sorry, he's a bucket bot from xkcd.  i implemented him here though
Aug 11 15:15:32 <bhodder> oh ok
Aug 11 15:15:39 <bhodder> cool
Aug 11 15:15:45 <sugardave> maik: I demand you fix this NAO
Aug 11 15:15:45 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5 is <reply> 1.4.5 is worth 2 in the bush!
Aug 11 15:15:46 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 15:15:52 <maik> oh goodness
Aug 11 15:16:01 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:16:02 <dekan> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:16:04 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 11 15:16:06 <CTLAdvance> oy
Aug 11 15:16:12 <maik> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:16:13 <dekan> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:16:14 <maik> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:16:15 <dekan> 1.4.5 is FINALLY HERE!
Aug 11 15:16:15 <pandora--> so, is 1.4.5 everything everybody wanted?
Aug 11 15:16:25 <CTLAdvance> no
Aug 11 15:16:27 <maik> heh, he needs better rand() seed methinks
Aug 11 15:16:31 <sugardave> pandora--: I don't know...renegaid hasn't been here yet
Aug 11 15:16:32 <CTLAdvance> flash is not included
Aug 11 15:16:37 <maik> dekan: flash
Aug 11 15:16:38 <dekan> flash is never coming, and that's a good thing
Aug 11 15:16:44 <CTLAdvance> bah
Aug 11 15:16:44 <pandora--> it was a stupid minor update
Aug 11 15:16:46 <maik> :D
Aug 11 15:16:53 <pandora--> and it didnt even fix the pdk save bug
Aug 11 15:16:53 <maik> ya, i didn't notice any difference in 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:16:54 <CTLAdvance> dekan: delete flash
Aug 11 15:16:54 <dekan> That is not bananas
Aug 11 15:17:04 <pandora--> dumb update
Aug 11 15:17:17 <CTLAdvance> 1.4.5 is really only for pdk and to make it look like palm is doing something
Aug 11 15:17:18 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Aug 11 15:17:36 <pandora--> *sigh*
Aug 11 15:17:41 <CTLAdvance> and seemed to work fine for 1.4.1
Aug 11 15:17:55 <CTLAdvance> and pdk seemed to work fine in last update *
Aug 11 15:18:34 <bhodder> Ya there was not much of a difference with 1.4.5
Aug 11 15:18:34 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5 =~ s/Is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 15:18:35 <dekan> I cannot access that data.
Aug 11 15:18:45 <CTLAdvance> dekan: docs
Aug 11 15:18:46 <dekan> My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket
Aug 11 15:19:51 <maik> CTLAdvance: the syntax is s/what you're replacing/what you're replacing it with/
Aug 11 15:19:57 <CTLAdvance> ah
Aug 11 15:20:03 <CTLAdvance> thats what I was looking for
Aug 11 15:20:27 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5 =~ s/is FINALLY HERE!/Is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 15:20:28 <dekan> Error at 0x08: Reference not found
Aug 11 15:20:45 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5 =~ s/is FINALLY HERE!/Is worth 2 in the bush/
Aug 11 15:20:45 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance, factoid updated.
Aug 11 15:20:52 <CTLAdvance> dekan:1.4.5
Aug 11 15:20:53 <dekan> 1.4.5 Is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 15:21:05 <CTLAdvance> why am I wasting my time with dekan
Aug 11 15:21:07 <maik> now if you start fighting over it i'll just have him ignore you
Aug 11 15:21:11 <maik> good question
Aug 11 15:21:28 <CTLAdvance> fighting over what
Aug 11 15:21:31 <CTLAdvance> I am not sure
Aug 11 15:21:36 <CTLAdvance> coffee break I guess
Aug 11 15:21:49 <pandora--> dekan: shut up
Aug 11 15:21:50 <dekan> Okay, pandora-- - be back in a bit!
Aug 11 15:21:51 <maik> you just overwrote what HattCzech_work said
Aug 11 15:21:52 <pandora--> tada
Aug 11 15:22:02 <maik> pandora--: it's not dekan that's the problem.
Aug 11 15:22:02 <pandora--> CTLAdvance: coffee break indeed
Aug 11 15:22:19 <CTLAdvance> I have so much work to do and yet I am playing with a bot
Aug 11 15:22:25 <CTLAdvance> scoobysnack
Aug 11 15:22:39 <CTLAdvance> arg
Aug 11 15:22:40 <CTLAdvance> anyways
Aug 11 15:22:46 <HattCzech_work> (don't worry, i'll fix it :) )
Aug 11 15:22:58 <maik> :D
Aug 11 15:23:02 <sugardave> dekan: chuqui is <reply> LOOK, A PUPPY!!
Aug 11 15:23:02 <dekan> Okay, sugardave.
Aug 11 15:23:54 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 11 15:23:58 <bryanroth> how do you set a custom image on a button widget?
Aug 11 15:24:13 <CTLAdvance> HattCzech we should now say that 1.5.x is never coming
Aug 11 15:24:20 <CTLAdvance> weve been on 1.4.x for a while now
Aug 11 15:24:30 <sugardave> bryanroth: not sure, but you can make it an activity button and then use Inspector to see what's going on in the DOM
Aug 11 15:24:37 <sugardave> the activity button has a spinner in it
Aug 11 15:24:47 <bryanroth> sugardave: good idea
Aug 11 15:24:50 <CTLAdvance> has there really been no major changes since 1.4 hit? really
Aug 11 15:25:43 <pandora--> uhhhhhh
Aug 11 15:25:48 <pandora--> ermmmmmmm
Aug 11 15:26:00 <pandora--> CTLAdvance: hm.
Aug 11 15:26:20 <CTLAdvance> when did we get video?
Aug 11 15:26:37 <sugardave> 1.0?
Aug 11 15:26:38 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Aug 11 15:26:58 <CTLAdvance> I remember when we had 1.1.4
Aug 11 15:27:02 <CTLAdvance> oh those were the days
Aug 11 15:27:05 <sugardave> heh
Aug 11 15:27:16 <bhodder> I have only had my pre since 1.4.x
Aug 11 15:27:28 <CTLAdvance> infact I think I still have the 1.1.4 doctor
Aug 11 15:28:09 <CTLAdvance> maik were you asking about the doctor
Aug 11 15:28:34 <maik> i was asking if the 1.4.5 that was released is the same as what was given to early access
Aug 11 15:28:43 <sugardave> up until around 1.3.0 I had all the emulator images intact and the launcher would helpfully ask me which one I wanted to use
Aug 11 15:28:46 <sugardave> not anymore
Aug 11 15:36:20 <CTLAdvance> Anyone use full erase yet
Aug 11 15:37:04 <sugardave_pre> hmm
Aug 11 15:37:13 <maik> freaking excellent: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Aug/130
Aug 11 15:38:34 <pandora--> haha nice
Aug 11 15:42:10 <CTLAdvance> interesting... so now people can confirm emails and gather first and last names
Aug 11 15:42:19 <CTLAdvance> just from facebook
Aug 11 15:42:46 <CTLAdvance> Facebook, the spam email confirmation system with over 500 million users
Aug 11 15:43:42 <CTLAdvance> Has anyone here done a full erase on your device?
Aug 11 15:44:59 * DougReeder waves hello
Aug 11 15:45:49 <plasmasolutions> Hey guys, how do I insert a script tag to the header while my app is running (and wait for the loading to finish)
Aug 11 15:45:53 <DougReeder> Anyone seeing any problems, since 1.4.5 hit Sprint?
Aug 11 15:46:37 <plasmasolutions> More precise: I do a var script = new Element('script' ....
Aug 11 15:46:50 <plasmasolutions> and insert it via $$("head")[0].insert(script);
Aug 11 15:47:09 <plasmasolutions> but how can I assure that it has finished loading
Aug 11 15:47:14 <DougReeder> Inserting script tags is not really the webOS way to do things... what is your objective?
Aug 11 15:47:36 <plasmasolutions> To question the google maps service only if I need it
Aug 11 15:48:35 <DougReeder> You want to put your code in the appropriate scene assistant method: ready(), etc.
Aug 11 15:50:12 <plasmasolutions> At the moment, I'm executing it in the setup()
Aug 11 15:50:40 <plasmasolutions> but how can I assure that it has been completely loaded?
Aug 11 15:51:32 <DougReeder> There's a page on that .. I'm trying to find it.
Aug 11 15:51:58 <plasmasolutions> Great, thank you DoughReeder!
Aug 11 15:53:18 <DougReeder> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627
Aug 11 15:54:21 <plasmasolutions> Cool, I'll read it through now, thank you!
Aug 11 15:54:29 <DougReeder> setup is called early, ready() is called after the widgets exist, etc.
Aug 11 15:56:43 <plasmasolutions> Are the widgets not only these tagged with x-mojo-widgets
Aug 11 15:57:05 <DougReeder> widgets are all tagged with x-mojo-widget.
Aug 11 15:57:30 <DougReeder> There's some other x-mojo attributes, that can be used on non-widgets
Aug 11 16:01:23 <plasmasolutions> On "ready" I'm reading: After the scene assistant method completes....instantiates the widgets...then ready is called.
Aug 11 16:01:43 <plasmasolutions> But there is no hint on the topic:
Aug 11 16:01:56 <sugardave> x-mojo-element
Aug 11 16:01:59 <sugardave> is a widget
Aug 11 16:02:16 <plasmasolutions> Yes, I got that..
Aug 11 16:02:39 <plasmasolutions> My scene is only containing one img
Aug 11 16:03:11 <plasmasolutions> this img loads the google map through the src attr
Aug 11 16:03:37 <plasmasolutions> At this time the script had to be loaded already
Aug 11 16:03:49 <plasmasolutions> because I'd like to create a google polyline
Aug 11 16:03:57 <plasmasolutions> and need the api for that
Aug 11 16:04:24 <sugardave> is it impossible to include the script locally and load it in sources.json?
Aug 11 16:05:00 <plasmasolutions> hmmmm.. I'll have a look
Aug 11 16:05:28 <plasmasolutions> It's just not my kind of work to load resources just in case ;)
Aug 11 16:06:30 <sugardave> well, if you wanted to get really tricky with it, you could include a local copy, and then ajax read it when you need it...then you can leverage the success handler mechanism to know that it was loaded for sure
Aug 11 16:07:21 <DougReeder> The docs don't address what happens if your scene HTML references off-device content -- I'd guess that the ready() method isn't called until all resources are available.  You might search the developer forums.
Aug 11 16:07:32 <sugardave> and (I'm not sure about this) if you include the js as part of a scene defined in sources.json, it will only load up when that scene is present
Aug 11 16:08:03 <plasmasolutions> I've done that already in bigger web-only projects this way...but when I look at the google js http://maps.google.com/maps/api/js?sensor=true
Aug 11 16:08:16 <plasmasolutions> then it loads much more scripts
Aug 11 16:08:19 <DougReeder> code on device: cheap.  code on network: expensive, unreliable
Aug 11 16:10:32 <plasmasolutions> I totally agree with you, but when there is no other way to supply the user with such features like maps you have to take the network way :)
Aug 11 16:10:36 * sugardave starts hating scroll fades again.
Aug 11 16:11:50 <haeffb_pre> just get rid of 'em like I did...
Aug 11 16:12:21 <sugardave> I think they would work just fine if I wasn't manhandling rows with .show() and .hide() like I am
Aug 11 16:12:29 <DougReeder> You may need a WebView widget (which I haven't used)
Aug 11 16:12:39 <DougReeder> ... to contain the Google Maps stuff.
Aug 11 16:12:40 <sugardave> they work pretty good as it is...but I added the Flasher button to the preferences scene
Aug 11 16:13:06 <sugardave> and when you go back from that flasher, the bottom scroll fade is obliterated, never to return unless you manually scroll the list to the bottom and back up
Aug 11 16:13:19 <sugardave> even .revealBottom() followed by revealTop() doesn't work
Aug 11 16:13:41 <DougReeder> WebView even has a Mojo.Event.webViewLoadStopped event
Aug 11 16:13:43 <sugardave> and that is my "go-to" trick
Aug 11 16:15:55 <DougReeder> Have you googled for site:developer.palm.com "google maps" ?
Aug 11 16:16:37 <plasmasolutions> Yes, I'm inspecting the foursquare app now
Aug 11 16:41:03 <HattCzech_work> anyone gone through the update process and have patches installed?
Aug 11 16:41:11 <HattCzech_work> (and know how to update them?) :)
Aug 11 16:41:14 <HattCzech_work> i'm getting an error
Aug 11 16:41:23 <sugardave_pre> no, I ran epr first
Aug 11 16:42:21 <sugardave_pre> and then after I ran fstab fix
Aug 11 16:42:27 <HattCzech_work> does that remove them? or just clean things up?
Aug 11 16:42:36 <sugardave_pre> removes them
Aug 11 16:42:56 <HattCzech_work> psssh, scratch that :)
Aug 11 16:42:58 <sugardave_pre> I only had a couple of gps patches
Aug 11 16:43:21 <sugardave_pre> maybe fstab fix will work?
Aug 11 16:43:50 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, most of the patches are working
Aug 11 16:43:59 <HattCzech_work> just the gestureclick context area doesn't want to
Aug 11 16:52:09 <HattCzech_work> hahah, interesting
Aug 11 16:52:21 <HattCzech_work> if you get a phone call in the middle of a patch update, it makes it fail :)
Aug 11 17:47:07 <haeffb_pre> sugardave_pre: is the red hilight marker working? mine stays white...
Aug 11 17:49:21 <swisstomcat> evening
Aug 11 17:50:00 <swisstomcat> go and listen to the webosroundup devcast with ben combee from palm
Aug 11 17:50:03 <swisstomcat> talking about the PDK
Aug 11 17:58:50 <Tibfib> Is there a way to get cookies from post requests?
Aug 11 18:00:09 <Tibfib> like if a post request returns a cookie, is there a way to store it and use it in future post requests?
Aug 11 18:01:57 <bhodder> what highlighter marker are you refering too?
Aug 11 18:21:25 <haeffb_pre> bhodder:  in wirc
Aug 11 18:21:43 <bhodder> ohh ok
Aug 11 18:21:58 <haeffb_pre> Tibfib: very good question. let me know if you get an answer
Aug 11 18:22:15 <Tibfib> dangit
Aug 11 18:22:59 <haeffb_pre> the api used by Noted! sets cookies in my app, but I have no idea where they are stored or how to access them directly
Aug 11 18:24:36 <Tibfib> haeffb_: you could try logging out the properties
Aug 11 18:30:35 <haeffb_pre> Tibfib: properties of...?
Aug 11 18:30:43 <Tibfib> the response
Aug 11 18:30:46 <Tibfib> I may have found it.
Aug 11 18:31:06 <Tibfib> using getAllHeaders
Aug 11 18:31:10 <Tibfib> there's one called Set-Cookie
Aug 11 18:38:44 <haeffb_pre> I looked but didn't see it...will have to check again
Aug 11 18:39:57 <Tibfib> well now it doesn't show up... because I think it's been set already
Aug 11 18:45:41 <zumbrujm> does anyone know where I can find logs and such which will reveal why my app will not launch from Ares?
Aug 11 18:46:29 <Tibfib> there's a logger built into ares
Aug 11 18:47:04 <swisstomcat> and an ares standalone logger
Aug 11 18:47:23 <zumbrujm> yea, so it says "launching application" and I see the network connection lights flash on the emulator, but the app doesn't install or launch
Aug 11 18:47:37 <zumbrujm> and there's no feedback in the logger there
Aug 11 18:47:40 <swisstomcat> http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/
Aug 11 18:47:57 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 18:48:02 <swisstomcat> something else must be wrong then
Aug 11 18:48:08 <swisstomcat> restart the emulator?
Aug 11 18:48:16 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: the highlight is kind of pink
Aug 11 18:48:54 <sugardave> I do see that since you sent me that, my screen does not shut off automatically
Aug 11 18:48:58 <zumbrujm> perhaps I should try another browser
Aug 11 18:49:24 <zumbrujm> when I download the code manually and install it, the app will launch, so I guess it's some problem with FF?
Aug 11 18:49:49 <swisstomcat> firefox should work
Aug 11 18:50:02 <zumbrujm> hm
Aug 11 18:50:09 <swisstomcat> it needs java support installed tho
Aug 11 18:50:32 <haeffb_pre> no I mean the 'heres where I was last marker, sugardave
Aug 11 18:51:15 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: I don't know what you're talking about
Aug 11 18:51:42 <haeffb_pre> in wirc
Aug 11 18:51:45 <sugardave> yes
Aug 11 18:51:54 <LoneStar99> starting raining pretty hard here
Aug 11 18:51:56 <haeffb_pre> when you leave & come back to wirc
Aug 11 18:51:58 <sugardave> this is about the 3rd time I've used ot
Aug 11 18:52:15 <haeffb_pre> it shows a line across the screen to divide new stuff
Aug 11 18:52:31 <sugardave> okay, let me see
Aug 11 18:52:42 <sugardave> mine is black
Aug 11 18:53:10 <haeffb_pre> hilton Coliseum (ISU basketball) in Ames IA has 8ft of floodwater
Aug 11 18:53:22 <sugardave> damn
Aug 11 18:53:35 <haeffb_pre> not the timestamp line
Aug 11 18:55:11 <sugardave> no, it's jujst a black line
Aug 11 18:55:11 <sugardave> 1px
Aug 11 18:55:11 <sugardave> width 100%
Aug 11 18:55:35 <sugardave> the timestamp just came up
Aug 11 18:55:42 <sugardave> it's a clear gray divider with the time
Aug 11 19:01:16 <appamajig> anyone heard of this happening? I update the time on my phone through the internet (airplane mode on and then off) and then the time is right... I check the time later and it's wrong.  It seems like the time is running very slow...
Aug 11 19:02:04 <swisstomcat> not really
Aug 11 19:02:25 <appamajig> hmmm
Aug 11 19:02:50 <john1313> what
Aug 11 19:04:01 <zumbrujm> swisstomcat:: so I just rolled back to FF3.5, and now it's working beautifully
Aug 11 19:04:05 <haeffb_pre> weird
Aug 11 19:04:17 <swisstomcat> which one did you have before?
Aug 11 19:04:21 <zumbrujm> 3.6
Aug 11 19:04:32 <zumbrujm> the most current version
Aug 11 19:04:36 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: are you usinf dark theme or light?
Aug 11 19:04:41 <haeffb_pre> using
Aug 11 19:04:43 <swisstomcat> interesting
Aug 11 19:05:06 <zumbrujm> yea, so I'm not sure why it wasn't working in the latest version of FF, but I'm glad it's working now
Aug 11 19:05:37 <zumbrujm> thanks for helping :)
Aug 11 19:05:40 <swisstomcat> np
Aug 11 19:05:59 <john1313> I'm using dark, kinda wicked
Aug 11 19:07:21 <haeffb_pre> marker color?
Aug 11 19:08:25 <haeffb_pre> & does it change if you go to prefs/messages & set it to another color?
Aug 11 19:09:01 <CTLAdvance> afternoon everyone
Aug 11 19:09:32 <bhodder> afternoon
Aug 11 19:09:38 <john1313> I don't see an optio to change it
Aug 11 19:09:59 <john1313> <CTLAdvance> afternoon everyone....
Aug 11 19:10:29 <CTLAdvance> I like dark better
Aug 11 19:10:34 <CTLAdvance> light theme looks blah
Aug 11 19:11:18 <CTLAdvance> really though we should base our apps based on time of day....light theme during the day and dark at night
Aug 11 19:15:34 <digitalpowers> CTLAdvance you really think that was the intention? dark for night and light for day? i just assumed they were different themes to choose from that both kept the palm style going
Aug 11 19:15:47 <CTLAdvance> no I dont think that
Aug 11 19:15:49 <CTLAdvance> but
Aug 11 19:16:04 <CTLAdvance> in a low lit room dark is easier on the eyes
Aug 11 19:16:17 <CTLAdvance> well lit or in the light light theme is better
Aug 11 19:16:31 <CTLAdvance> in the sun*\
Aug 11 19:26:56 <maik> Carrrrrllllllllll
Aug 11 19:28:37 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: light theme
Aug 11 19:34:48 <CTLAdvance> QQ - anyone have any issues with full device erase?
Aug 11 19:41:17 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: can you chabge the color?
Aug 11 19:41:49 <Switchedgear> good afternoon
Aug 11 19:42:06 <bhodder> what are these themes for that you are reffering to?
Aug 11 19:42:23 <bhodder> good afternoon Switchedgear
Aug 11 19:42:50 <swisstomcat> hi
Aug 11 19:43:05 <swisstomcat> webos apps can have 2 themes .. light and dark
Aug 11 19:43:09 <swisstomcat> light is the default
Aug 11 19:43:15 <swisstomcat> and dark is ... well, dark
Aug 11 19:43:19 <Switchedgear> ty for the response, I'm feeling unwanted
Aug 11 19:43:22 <Switchedgear> lol
Aug 11 19:43:28 <bhodder> I did notice that
Aug 11 19:43:41 <bhodder> but i did not no that you could switch them
Aug 11 19:44:30 <CTLAdvance> yes usually you set them in the stage or main app assistant
Aug 11 19:44:33 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: ah, are you talking about marker line?
Aug 11 19:44:36 <sugardave> mine says it's sedt to red
Aug 11 19:44:42 <sugardave> but is in fact black
Aug 11 19:45:50 <bhodder> oh ok, so this is only on apps that you create sorrect?
Aug 11 19:46:33 <bhodder> what do people prefer better for dev, ares or using eclips?
Aug 11 19:47:07 <CTLAdvance> I use Notepad++, eclipse seems unstable for me
Aug 11 19:47:16 <CTLAdvance> Ares is good for quick apps
Aug 11 19:47:43 <sugardave> lots of people use Komodo Edit and Templarian's astounding add-on
Aug 11 19:47:49 <bhodder> Notepad++?
Aug 11 19:47:58 <sugardave> text editor
Aug 11 19:48:11 <CTLAdvance> Yes Komodo was the other I was trying to think of
Aug 11 19:48:28 <bhodder> so just using a text editor then, such as gedit
Aug 11 19:48:41 <sugardave> that works
Aug 11 19:48:50 <CTLAdvance> Notepad++ is the best open source editor I have used... supports so many languages... highlights the keywords and has several helpful features
Aug 11 19:48:59 <CTLAdvance> I should make a plugin for that... hmm interesting
Aug 11 19:49:17 <Templarian> But Komodo Edit is the best Open Source editor for dynamic languages. :D
Aug 11 19:49:46 <swisstomcat> komdo rocks .. and the webos plugin
Aug 11 19:49:48 <Templarian> http://community.activestate.com/xpi/aero-theme Also for those using Windows 7 and Komodo.
Aug 11 19:49:58 <swisstomcat> komodo even
Aug 11 19:50:13 <Templarian> (oh wait, that isn't that helpful it only works in 6.0 and my addon doesn't yet)
Aug 11 19:51:08 <CTLAdvance> I guess it comes down to your pref. Just use what works best for you
Aug 11 19:51:33 <bhodder> ok, for just starting out what would you recomend?
Aug 11 19:51:41 <CTLAdvance> Well
Aug 11 19:51:51 <bhodder> I'm using linux
Aug 11 19:51:52 <CTLAdvance> Deppends how much you want to get into it
Aug 11 19:52:14 <Templarian> Komodo Edit + webOS Addon, or Ares if you are just messing around with app ideas.
Aug 11 19:52:18 <CTLAdvance> Ares is point and click, a good place to start
Aug 11 19:52:18 <bhodder> would love to get really into it but im only at the begining right now
Aug 11 19:52:18 <swisstomcat> you could start with ares and work your way up and eventually grow it out
Aug 11 19:52:36 <swisstomcat> but you might also start with the nitty-gritty and and editor and the command-line
Aug 11 19:52:44 <swisstomcat> and an
Aug 11 19:52:49 <CTLAdvance> Then either komodo edit and plugin or Notepad++
Aug 11 19:52:52 <swisstomcat> but the learning curve will be bigger
Aug 11 19:53:17 <Templarian> The learning curve with the addon isn't that bad. It's wraps the hard command line stuff.
Aug 11 19:53:20 <swisstomcat> i did the second .. because ares was not available then
Aug 11 19:53:39 <bhodder> oh ok
Aug 11 19:56:48 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: yep. mine is set to crimson(was red) and it shows up white.
Aug 11 19:57:02 * haeffb_pre still uses eclipse
Aug 11 19:57:42 * haeffb_pre is testing wirc action color
Aug 11 19:58:27 * oil uses eclipse also, haha
Aug 11 19:58:30 <swisstomcat> komodo is probably more light-weight than eclipse
Aug 11 19:58:38 <swisstomcat> and runs on every platform too
Aug 11 19:58:57 <haeffb_pre> oil is marker line color a known bug?
Aug 11 19:59:00 * Tibfib uses notepad++
Aug 11 19:59:05 <oil> hm?
Aug 11 19:59:08 * Tibfib thinks we've had this discussion a lot
Aug 11 19:59:35 <sugardave> this is the first time I've ever seen this discussion
Aug 11 19:59:46 <sugardave> oh wait
Aug 11 19:59:47 <haeffb_pre> it's always white for dark theme & black for light theme apparently
Aug 11 19:59:49 <sugardave> no it isn't
Aug 11 20:00:03 <haeffb_pre> regardless of prefs color
Aug 11 20:00:14 <bhodder> ok I think I will try komodo
Aug 11 20:00:21 <oil> no, it should change
Aug 11 20:00:46 <haeffb_pre> well...yeah...but....it doesn't
Aug 11 20:00:50 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre: you're doing it wrong.
Aug 11 20:00:56 <oil> most likely
Aug 11 20:01:48 <haeffb_pre> I have been known to do that
Aug 11 20:03:22 * haeffb_pre notes the default in prefs  is red & it still came up white
Aug 11 20:03:25 <bhodder> I have to headed see you all later
Aug 11 20:03:31 <oil> no
Aug 11 20:03:32 <swisstomcat> cu
Aug 11 20:03:33 <oil> there is a bug
Aug 11 20:03:43 * oil blames PuffTheMagic
Aug 11 20:04:15 * haeffb_pre also blames puffthemagic
Aug 11 20:04:21 <oil> well, it is his fault
Aug 11 20:04:35 <oil> he made the colors prefs an array
Aug 11 20:04:50 <oil> which stores different colors for dark and light seperately
Aug 11 20:05:06 <oil> but forgot to add the theme index to pulling the color for the marker line
Aug 11 20:08:49 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/channel-chat-assistant.js;h=0aa86a20da498bf6bdd580c39240ed1e0545fdd6;hp=562bd5cdeeae1e247d8805e6dd5d14077d8d5739;hb=aff6c20c6524ac65f284696f90bad632ef759ac6;hpb=6306ea701f70b363738d185a4dd5f95e45da2dfe
Aug 11 20:08:54 <oil> untested, but should work
Aug 11 20:09:44 <halfhalo> oil! http://redmine.silentbluesystems.com/projects/test/repository = win
Aug 11 20:10:46 <Tibfib> halfhalo: did you make all of that?
Aug 11 20:11:15 <Tibfib> hah, nvm
Aug 11 20:11:21 <oil> lol
Aug 11 20:11:30 <dawm_> hrm the update button in the dev portal aint doing anything
Aug 11 20:11:52 <oil> http://redmine.silentbluesystems.com/projects/test/repository/statistics
Aug 11 20:11:53 <oil> looks busted
Aug 11 20:12:04 <dawm_> also reports arent working
Aug 11 20:12:14 <Anivrom> halfhalo: interesting
Aug 11 20:12:49 <oil_pre> haeffb_pre: yeah, fix will be in next release
Aug 11 20:12:54 <halfhalo> lol, the statistics are busted since its using a random copy I had on my system
Aug 11 20:18:57 <haeffb_pre> oil: cool. I gots to have me some red lines!
Aug 11 20:20:12 <Jimbo_> Hey, i'm trying to run a function when the user swipes the app off the screen to close. Can anyone enlighten me on how to achieve this?
Aug 11 20:23:28 <Anivrom> Jimbo_: if your function doesn't have a callback you can simply use the stage assistant cleanup() method
Aug 11 20:23:33 <Anivrom> put your code in there
Aug 11 20:24:10 <Anivrom> but you can't put asynchronous code in there
Aug 11 20:24:20 <Anivrom> the app will be closed before it has a chance to finish
Aug 11 20:30:43 <Jimbo_> Well, what i'm trying to do is run a webservice call to notify the server that the user has logged out
Aug 11 20:30:55 <Jimbo_> Can I execute a webservice from the stage?
Aug 11 20:33:15 <swisstomcat> can you have a dashboard stage that stays active until the function has done its job?
Aug 11 20:36:09 <Jimbo_> I havent worked with a dashboard stage yet unfortuantly, is that the best route to go?
Aug 11 20:36:27 <plasmasolutions> Bye folks... going to bed now...good night
Aug 11 20:36:33 <swisstomcat> night
Aug 11 20:36:38 <plasmasolutions> :)
Aug 11 20:37:01 <swisstomcat> how long would the function run?
Aug 11 20:37:34 <Jimbo_> just a few milliseconds, all it does it access a page on my web server with GET parameters, doesn't need to receive info back
Aug 11 20:37:52 <swisstomcat> cleanup should be fine then i assume?
Aug 11 20:38:02 <swisstomcat> (10:23:27 PM) Anivrom: Jimbo_: if your function doesn't have a callback you can simply use the stage assistant cleanup() method
Aug 11 20:38:42 <Jimbo_> alright, i'll try that, im just not sure how to call a webservice from the stage
Aug 11 20:40:58 <Jimbo_> I should have mentioned i'm using ares. Can I call the function if its on a scene, or do I need to build it into the stage somehow?
Aug 11 20:43:42 <haeffb_pre> you can do it in scene's cleanup()
Aug 11 20:44:06 <haeffb_pre> of the last scene on your stack
Aug 11 20:45:44 <Jimbo_> thats what i've been trying, but for some reason it doesnt seem to execute
Aug 11 20:46:00 <Jimbo_> 	cleanup: function() {
Aug 11 20:46:07 <Jimbo_> Ares.cleanupSceneAssistant(this);
Aug 11 20:46:12 <Jimbo_> 		this.logout();
Aug 11 20:46:19 <Jimbo_> 	},
Aug 11 20:46:43 <swisstomcat> any error?
Aug 11 20:46:51 <Jimbo_> if I put this.logout(); above the cleanupsceneassistant, the log doesnt show any errors, but when its where its located now i get:
Aug 11 20:47:10 <Jimbo_> 	},
Aug 11 20:47:12 <Jimbo_> oops
Aug 11 20:47:19 <Jimbo_> Error: An exception occurred in the 'main' scene's cleanup() method., palmInitFramework338:2520
Aug 11 20:47:30 <Jimbo_> Error: Error: Cannot read property 'webService1' of null, line object, file undefined, palmInitFramework338:2520
Aug 11 20:48:01 <swisstomcat> ah, that webservice probably got cleared by the cleanupSceneAssistant function?
Aug 11 20:48:21 <haeffb_pre> put it in deactivate() instead?
Aug 11 20:49:40 <Jimbo_> ill try that, one sec
Aug 11 20:50:37 <Tibfib> How would I parse "all responses from the server are in the form of UTF8 string lists. There is a 16 bit word (in network byte order) that represents the length of the string, followed by that many bytes. Then another 16 bit word for the next string, and so on." ?
Aug 11 20:51:46 <maik> i'd kind of hope for some delimeter...
Aug 11 20:51:55 <maik> unless it's \0
Aug 11 20:52:02 <Tibfib> it is \0
Aug 11 20:52:11 <Tibfib> I don't get how to parse it
Aug 11 20:52:22 <Jimbo_> it doesnt seem to run the function when I put it in deactivate
Aug 11 20:52:44 <maik> you know the first 2b is a value representing the length of the following string
Aug 11 20:52:48 <haeffb_pre> log messages?
Aug 11 20:52:55 <Tibfib> \u0000\u0001T\u0000\u000b12a62d18ebe\u0000\u00010\u0000\u000250\u0000\u000254\u0000\u00010\u0000\u0001T\u0000\u0001T\u0000\u0001F\u0000\u000fRondell Legerie\u0000\u001cWantin to get Mojo Messenger\u0000\u000610:59a\u0000\u0014
Aug 11 20:53:13 <Tibfib> it looks like that
Aug 11 20:53:19 <maik> so parse on \u0000
Aug 11 20:53:21 <maik> right
Aug 11 20:53:39 <maik> er hmm, that causes problems with the first byte being 0
Aug 11 20:54:06 <swisstomcat> jimbo: add some Mojo.Log.info("im doing this and that"); to this.cleanup to see if it's called
Aug 11 20:55:05 <Tibfib> but If I try to get a var to equal transport.responseText it doesn't work
Aug 11 20:55:06 <maik> well still, read in two bytes, read in the next X bytes or wait for \0, then do it again
Aug 11 20:55:21 <maik> oh oh
Aug 11 20:55:23 * maik digs through some code
Aug 11 20:56:41 <Tibfib> But I can log out the innerHTML which looks decent
Aug 11 20:56:50 <Tibfib> let me see if I can get it into  a var
Aug 11 20:57:00 <Tibfib>  ^AT^K12a62f02ea6^A0^B50^B54^A0^AT^AT^AF^ORondell Legerie^\Wantin to get Mojo Messenger^F10:59a^T looks much better
Aug 11 20:57:26 <maik> ew
Aug 11 20:57:32 <maik> it's really not better
Aug 11 20:57:35 <haeffb_pre> modem commands?
Aug 11 20:57:37 <swisstomcat> first example seems better
Aug 11 20:57:40 <maik> heh, at first glance
Aug 11 20:57:45 <maik> AT
Aug 11 20:57:46 <maik> AT
Aug 11 20:57:56 <haeffb_pre> it's been awhile...?
Aug 11 20:58:16 <maik> i have no idea.  i saw my old boss do it once, he was a nerd
Aug 11 20:58:36 <swisstomcat> ping metaview
Aug 11 20:58:36 <Jimbo_> hrmm, well, I put this.logout() back above Ares.cleanupSceneAssistant(this), then put in some log msgs. It displays the log message that I put after its supposed to run this.logout, but it still doesn't appear to actually be running the function.
Aug 11 20:59:12 <Tibfib> maik: well what do you suggest?
Aug 11 20:59:15 <Jimbo_> Is there anyway to delay Ares.cleanupSceneAssistant(this)? I wonder if its cleaning up the webservice before it has a chance to complete the function
Aug 11 20:59:52 <swisstomcat> jimbo: can you post the contents of this.logout?
Aug 11 20:59:59 <Jimbo_> oh wait i have an idea
Aug 11 21:01:51 <maik> Tibfib: when i encountered that problem, getting data from a server and having it give me those \u codes, i ended up changing something and it processed things literally.  any characters that weren't recognized came up as weird characters, but things like newlines translated over fine
Aug 11 21:02:03 <Jimbo_> sure
Aug 11 21:02:07 <Jimbo_> this.$.webService1.setParameters({username: name, password: password, msgtype: "exit"});
Aug 11 21:02:16 <Jimbo_> this.$.webService1.execute();
Aug 11 21:02:20 <Jimbo_> }
Aug 11 21:02:33 <Jimbo_> if I call it from a button, it works
Aug 11 21:02:33 <maik> it's been a long time, but looking through my client code (can't get to the server code anymore), all i see is var json = response.responseJSON and then set the model for my list object to the json
Aug 11 21:02:37 <maik> so i don't think it helps you at all
Aug 11 21:02:59 <swisstomcat> can you add Mojo.Log.info("..."); before each of that statement
Aug 11 21:03:07 <swisstomcat> those statements
Aug 11 21:03:13 <Jimbo_> ah good idea, one sec
Aug 11 21:03:35 <CTLAdvance> anyone here know the best way to do a factory reset on the device?
Aug 11 21:03:35 <Tibfib> well there's no way I can change the server code...hrm
Aug 11 21:04:57 <swisstomcat> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1667278/parsing-query-strings-in-java
Aug 11 21:04:59 <swisstomcat> maybe?
Aug 11 21:05:19 <Jimbo_> man thats weird... it logs every message throughout the function
Aug 11 21:05:36 <swisstomcat> @zhephree: two weird things showing up in my foursquare app usage stats: a device called "RoadRunner" and webOS v2.0. Both from only 1 user
Aug 11 21:05:49 <sugardave> neat :)
Aug 11 21:05:57 <sugardave> I havwe roadrunner
Aug 11 21:06:01 <Tibfib> road runner. nice
Aug 11 21:06:02 <sugardave> but I don't have webOS 2.0
Aug 11 21:06:29 <swisstomcat> wasn't 1.4.5 albacore?
Aug 11 21:06:40 <swisstomcat> at least i saw that in my logs
Aug 11 21:06:58 <swisstomcat> i assume they're already testing 2.0
Aug 11 21:07:06 <swisstomcat> with foursquare .. nice
Aug 11 21:07:19 <Tibfib> well I give up again. trying to use the gmail api http://codeplusplus.blogspot.com/2007/07/mobile-gmail-api.html
Aug 11 21:07:36 <Tibfib> if only to add "archiving" support to the current email app
Aug 11 21:09:06 <Tibfib> I can get it to work if I use a php script to parse stuff...
Aug 11 21:09:37 <swisstomcat> jimbo: but you never see anything on the server side?
Aug 11 21:10:39 <Jimbo_> Nope, my server log doesn't show anything
Aug 11 21:12:33 <Jimbo_> but if I call that same function from a button tap, it works perfectly
Aug 11 21:13:24 <swisstomcat> pdk hot apps leaderboard is live: palmhotapps.com
Aug 11 21:14:00 <haeffb_pre> somevody tell torchie
Aug 11 21:14:10 <Jimbo_> hmm, also, if I call it under deactivate, it does run it correctly if I open a different scene, but it doesnt run it when the app is closed
Aug 11 21:14:19 <torchie> SAY WHAAAAAAAAAAAA
Aug 11 21:14:20 <dekan> WHAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Aug 11 21:14:29 <torchie> wow i didnt expect that
Aug 11 21:14:33 <torchie> THE LEADERBOARD
Aug 11 21:14:34 <torchie> R
Aug 11 21:14:34 <torchie> ETO
Aug 11 21:14:35 <torchie> OLED?
Aug 11 21:15:01 <torchie> OMG
Aug 11 21:16:19 <Tibfib> is the settlers sweet?
Aug 11 21:18:50 <maik> you're a torch!
Aug 11 21:18:51 <dekan> Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, torch!
Aug 11 21:19:07 <maik> say cheese
Aug 11 21:19:07 <dekan> Cheese!
Aug 11 21:19:10 <maik> *click*
Aug 11 21:20:41 * Tibfib slaps dekan
Aug 11 21:21:14 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 21:21:14 <dekan> 1.4.5 is worth 2 in the bush!
Aug 11 21:21:23 <swisstomcat> hehe
Aug 11 21:21:32 <swisstomcat> say cheeeese
Aug 11 21:21:32 <dekan> Cheeeese!
Aug 11 21:21:38 <swisstomcat> *click* *flash*
Aug 11 21:21:40 <swisstomcat> nice
Aug 11 21:21:51 <swisstomcat> say swisstomcat is a dumbass
Aug 11 21:21:52 <dekan> Swisstomcat is a dumbass!
Aug 11 21:21:56 <swisstomcat> woops
Aug 11 21:21:57 <Tibfib> scoobysnack
Aug 11 21:21:58 <dekan> Scoobydoobeedoo!
Aug 11 21:22:05 <CTLAdvance> botsmack
Aug 11 21:22:05 * dekan cowers
Aug 11 21:22:07 <maik> haha
Aug 11 21:22:07 <halfhalo> hah
Aug 11 21:22:11 <maik> botsmack
Aug 11 21:22:12 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with a never ending supply of coke.
Aug 11 21:22:19 * maik pats dekan
Aug 11 21:22:20 * dekan purrrrrrrrrr
Aug 11 21:22:27 * swisstomcat pulls the plug on dekan
Aug 11 21:22:34 <maik> dekan: hi
Aug 11 21:22:35 <dekan> Hello, maik!
Aug 11 21:22:41 <digitalpowers> go north
Aug 11 21:22:42 <dekan> digitalpowers: you are in a courtyard, it is dark. There are exits to the north and south
Aug 11 21:22:44 <Tibfib> dekan, make me a sandwich
Aug 11 21:22:45 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 21:22:54 <swisstomcat> dekan, give me money
Aug 11 21:22:55 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:22:58 <maik> dekan: go north
Aug 11 21:22:58 <swisstomcat> damn
Aug 11 21:22:58 <dekan> maik: you are on a hillside, there is nothing to see. There are exits to the east and south
Aug 11 21:23:02 <maik> dekan: go north
Aug 11 21:23:02 <dekan> maik: you are in a room, it is dark. There are exits to the east, west and south
Aug 11 21:23:04 <maik> FAIL
Aug 11 21:23:05 <maik> :D
Aug 11 21:23:06 <CTLAdvance> dekan:Tibfib is worth 2 in the bush!
Aug 11 21:23:07 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 21:23:21 <swisstomcat> dekan:swisstomcat is a dumbass
Aug 11 21:23:21 <dekan> Please don't edit your own factoids, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:23:26 <swisstomcat> doh
Aug 11 21:23:34 <swisstomcat> dekan:dekan is a dumbass
Aug 11 21:23:34 <maik> haha
Aug 11 21:23:34 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:23:41 <maik> dekan: dekan
Aug 11 21:23:41 <dekan> dekan is a dumbass
Aug 11 21:23:45 <maik> awe, stupid
Aug 11 21:23:47 <swisstomcat> yay!
Aug 11 21:23:49 <CTLAdvance> dekan: inventory
Aug 11 21:23:50 * dekan is carrying nothing.
Aug 11 21:23:50 <swisstomcat> i broke it
Aug 11 21:23:53 <torchie> maaaan
Aug 11 21:24:02 <torchie> 1.4.5's out, the leaderboard's retooled, and all is right with the world
Aug 11 21:24:04 <torchie> now what
Aug 11 21:24:05 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a coke
Aug 11 21:24:06 * dekan is now carrying a coke.
Aug 11 21:24:12 <swisstomcat> dekan:dekan:dekan is an idiot
Aug 11 21:24:12 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:24:14 * sugardave gives dekan a towel
Aug 11 21:24:15 <dekan> Okay, sugardave.
Aug 11 21:24:22 * swisstomcat gives dekan some clue
Aug 11 21:24:23 * dekan is now carrying some clue.
Aug 11 21:24:24 * CTLAdvance gives dekan dekan
Aug 11 21:24:26 * dekan is now carrying dekan.
Aug 11 21:24:27 * maik gives dekan a sugardave
Aug 11 21:24:28 <dekan> Okay, maik.
Aug 11 21:24:32 <sugardave> heh
Aug 11 21:24:36 * Tibfib gives dekan a deathray
Aug 11 21:24:36 <swisstomcat> dekan: inventory
Aug 11 21:24:36 * dekan is now carrying a deathray.
Aug 11 21:24:36 * dekan contains a coke, a towel, some clue, dekan, a sugardave, and a deathray.
Aug 11 21:24:37 <sugardave> dekan: inventory
Aug 11 21:24:37 <dekan> I am carrying a coke, a towel, some clue, dekan, a sugardave, and a deathray.
Aug 11 21:24:48 <swisstomcat> who is dekan
Aug 11 21:24:48 * CTLAdvance gives dekan 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 21:24:49 * dekan now contains 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush.
Aug 11 21:24:53 <maik> good god
Aug 11 21:25:00 <CTLAdvance> dekan:inventory
Aug 11 21:25:01 <dekan> I am carrying a coke, a towel, some clue, dekan, a sugardave, a deathray, and 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush.
Aug 11 21:25:04 <swisstomcat> ah, bots are fun
Aug 11 21:25:12 <swisstomcat> i remember writing one in REXX back in the days
Aug 11 21:25:18 <swisstomcat> fun times
Aug 11 21:25:26 <Robi_> anyone paying attn to #w-i ?
Aug 11 21:25:27 * CTLAdvance gives dekan some quad-ply toilet paper
Aug 11 21:25:28 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 21:25:41 <maik> ooo, quad-ply
Aug 11 21:25:56 <swisstomcat> dekan:dekan:dekan
Aug 11 21:25:57 <dekan> dekan:dekan is an idiot
Aug 11 21:26:00 <maik> who knew changing my twitter name would net me twitter spam
Aug 11 21:26:16 <Robi_> my pre just auto-updated and i'm not sure if its ok to just do the preware updates..
Aug 11 21:26:21 <swisstomcat> dekan: dekan:is an idiot
Aug 11 21:26:21 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 21:26:30 <sugardave> Robi_: might do fstab fix first?
Aug 11 21:26:48 <swisstomcat> dekan:dekan:dekan
Aug 11 21:26:49 <digitalpowers> swisstomcat good luck he wont infinite loop, i have tried
Aug 11 21:26:49 <dekan> dekan:dekan is an idiot
Aug 11 21:26:50 <maik> although, apparently someone's just talking to me in portuguese
Aug 11 21:26:50 <Tibfib> dekan, dekan is dekan is dekan is dekan is ERROR TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:26:51 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:27:02 <swisstomcat> hehe
Aug 11 21:27:05 <maik> "grande é o sonho de estar ao lado de alguém, como você @maik <3"
Aug 11 21:27:06 <Robi_> sugardave: in terminal or was there a patch for that?
Aug 11 21:27:07 * Tibfib wonders what he just did
Aug 11 21:27:13 <Tibfib> dekan, dekan is?
Aug 11 21:27:14 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 11 21:27:16 <maik> i'm flattered
Aug 11 21:27:17 <Tibfib> dekan, dekan?
Aug 11 21:27:17 <sugardave> Robi_: there's a patch for it
Aug 11 21:27:18 <dekan> dekan is dekan is dekan is dekan is ERROR TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:27:22 <Tibfib> scoobysnack
Aug 11 21:27:23 <dekan> Scoobydoobeedoo!
Aug 11 21:27:33 <maik> dekan: literal dekan
Aug 11 21:27:34 <dekan> dekan (#279) is a dumbass|(#282) is dekan is dekan is dekan is ERROR TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:27:34 <Robi_> got it
Aug 11 21:27:35 <sugardave> I epr'd, updated, updated preware, ran fstab, installed new patches
Aug 11 21:27:42 <swisstomcat> dekan, dekan is dekan is dekan is dekan is OUT OF STACK SPACE
Aug 11 21:27:43 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:27:48 <sugardave> but, if you don't epr, I think you might still need to fstab fix
Aug 11 21:27:49 <swisstomcat> dekan
Aug 11 21:27:55 <swisstomcat> dekan:
Aug 11 21:27:55 <dekan> dekan is dekan is dekan is dekan is OUT OF STACK SPACE
Aug 11 21:28:00 <maik> heh
Aug 11 21:28:18 <maik> dekan: haiku
Aug 11 21:28:19 <dekan> whats the hard way? lol / i saw some toturials. / error and trial
Aug 11 21:28:23 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead
Aug 11 21:28:24 * dekan now contains a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead.
Aug 11 21:28:33 <sugardave> that's pretty big
Aug 11 21:28:35 <swisstomcat> careful
Aug 11 21:28:37 * maik gives dekan a flux capacitor
Aug 11 21:28:38 * dekan now contains a flux capacitor.
Aug 11 21:28:43 <Robi_> sugardave: cool thanks for the tip, i just installed the emegency fstab patch, and rebooting now
Aug 11 21:28:54 * swisstomcat gives dekan some nitroglycerine
Aug 11 21:28:54 * dekan now contains some nitroglycerine.
Aug 11 21:28:55 * CTLAdvance gived dekan the capacity to hold the third death star
Aug 11 21:29:07 * swisstomcat shakes dekan violently
Aug 11 21:29:07 <digitalpowers> gived?
Aug 11 21:29:09 * CTLAdvance gives dekan the capacity to hold the third death star
Aug 11 21:29:10 * dekan now contains the capacity to hold the third death star.
Aug 11 21:29:11 <swisstomcat> *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM*
Aug 11 21:29:13 * CTLAdvance fail
Aug 11 21:29:24 <maik> he dun gived it to 'im
Aug 11 21:29:30 <CTLAdvance> hah
Aug 11 21:29:41 <maik> argh
Aug 11 21:29:46 <Tibfib> dekan, inventory
Aug 11 21:29:47 * dekan contains a coke, a towel, some clue, dekan, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, some quad-ply toilet paper, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, and the capacity to hold the third death star.
Aug 11 21:29:49 <maik> digitalpowers: one thing i don't like about this job, going up the hill
Aug 11 21:30:03 <maik> having to support people in Webster :/
Aug 11 21:30:12 <Tibfib> :O
Aug 11 21:30:23 <sugardave> now I have to shut off wirc, it keeps bonging everytime my name shows up
Aug 11 21:30:24 <maik> food for thought: dekan can get to full and will start dropping things
Aug 11 21:30:27 <maik> sugardave:
Aug 11 21:30:31 <sugardave> heh
Aug 11 21:30:32 <maik> :D
Aug 11 21:30:43 <maik> eek
Aug 11 21:30:44 <swisstomcat> dekan: drop inventory
Aug 11 21:30:45 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:30:47 <maik> s/to/too/
Aug 11 21:30:56 * Tibfib gives dekan the ring
Aug 11 21:30:57 * maik gives dekan a worm
Aug 11 21:30:57 * dekan now contains the ring.
Aug 11 21:30:57 * dekan now contains a worm.
Aug 11 21:31:06 * swisstomcat gives dekan more clue
Aug 11 21:31:07 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:31:08 <haeffb_> sugardave: you can make it stop
Aug 11 21:31:12 * maik gives dekan a Sublime CD
Aug 11 21:31:13 <dekan> Okay, maik.
Aug 11 21:31:17 * sugardave gives dekan a Bag of Holding
Aug 11 21:31:18 * dekan is now carrying a Bag of Holding.
Aug 11 21:31:18 * swisstomcat gives dekan even more clue
Aug 11 21:31:18 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:31:28 * swisstomcat gives dekan more and more clue
Aug 11 21:31:29 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:31:30 * maik gives dekan boots of escaping
Aug 11 21:31:31 * dekan is now carrying boots of escaping.
Aug 11 21:31:34 <swisstomcat> dekan inventory
Aug 11 21:31:34 <CTLAdvance> is there any way to do a webos doctor without being logged in
Aug 11 21:31:40 <CTLAdvance> this is really a horrible tool
Aug 11 21:31:41 <swisstomcat> dekan, inventory
Aug 11 21:31:42 <maik> dekan: inventory
Aug 11 21:31:42 <sugardave> haeffb_: I will eventually
Aug 11 21:31:42 * dekan contains a coke, a towel, some clue, dekan, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, some quad-ply toilet paper, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a worm, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, and boots of escaping.
Aug 11 21:31:42 * dekan contains a coke, a towel, some clue, dekan, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, some quad-ply toilet paper, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a worm, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, and boots of escaping.
Aug 11 21:31:49 <maik> surely he's got to be full by now
Aug 11 21:31:55 * swisstomcat gives dekan 100 camels
Aug 11 21:31:55 * dekan hands swisstomcat a towel in exchange for 100 camels
Aug 11 21:32:00 <maik> there we go
Aug 11 21:32:03 <sugardave> nice
Aug 11 21:32:04 <swisstomcat> oh, that's a new one
Aug 11 21:32:05 <Tibfib> hahahh nice
Aug 11 21:32:10 <haeffb_> haeffb gives dekan a penny
Aug 11 21:32:14 <swisstomcat> who made dekan?
Aug 11 21:32:16 <maik> haeffb_: /me
Aug 11 21:32:20 <sugardave> but now dekan is fucked, he has no towel
Aug 11 21:32:22 <swisstomcat> dekan: who made you?
Aug 11 21:32:23 <dekan> Not a bloody clue, sir.
Aug 11 21:32:23 * haeffb_ gives dekan a penny
Aug 11 21:32:23 * dekan drops boots of escaping and takes a penny.
Aug 11 21:32:35 * swisstomcat gives dekan some clue
Aug 11 21:32:35 <maik> swisstomcat: it's a Bucket bot, made by users in #xkcd
Aug 11 21:32:35 <dekan> I already have some clue.
Aug 11 21:32:39 <maik> i implemented him here
Aug 11 21:32:48 * maik gives dekan a towel
Aug 11 21:32:48 <swisstomcat> he's pretty good
Aug 11 21:32:49 * dekan hands maik dekan in exchange for a towel
Aug 11 21:32:49 * Tibfib takes dekan's ring
Aug 11 21:32:59 <maik> swisstomcat: ya, that's why i liked him so much
Aug 11 21:33:13 <sugardave> dekan: inventory
Aug 11 21:33:13 * dekan contains a coke, some clue, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, some quad-ply toilet paper, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a worm, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, 100 camels, a penny, and a towel.
Aug 11 21:33:14 * Tibfib takes dekan's the ring
Aug 11 21:33:20 <Tibfib> dang. doesn't work
Aug 11 21:33:22 <maik> agh, gotta run
Aug 11 21:33:26 <maik> dekan: docs
Aug 11 21:33:27 <dekan> My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket
Aug 11 21:33:30 * maik bbl
Aug 11 21:33:35 <swisstomcat> cu maik
Aug 11 21:33:38 <Tibfib> sayy bye bye maik
Aug 11 21:33:42 <Tibfib> say bye bye maik
Aug 11 21:33:42 <dekan> Bye bye maik!
Aug 11 21:33:42 <sugardave> buh-bye
Aug 11 21:34:08 <Tibfib> dekan, sugardave is afraid of ares
Aug 11 21:34:09 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:34:20 <Tibfib> dekan, Anivrom <hates> ares
Aug 11 21:34:21 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:34:32 * CTLAdvance likes to eat
Aug 11 21:34:54 <swisstomcat> dekan: sugardave <reply> hello sugardave
Aug 11 21:34:54 <CTLAdvance> dekan: Anvirom
Aug 11 21:34:54 <dekan> Okay, swisstomcat.
Aug 11 21:34:55 <dekan> So's your face.
Aug 11 21:35:08 <swisstomcat> where's sugardave?
Aug 11 21:35:12 <Tibfib> dekan, Anivrom?
Aug 11 21:35:13 <dekan> Anivrom hates ares
Aug 11 21:35:16 <sugardave> present
Aug 11 21:35:17 <CTLAdvance> Dekan: My face is better looking than yours
Aug 11 21:35:18 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 21:35:25 <sugardave> dekan: sugardave
Aug 11 21:35:26 <dekan> sugardave is afraid of ares
Aug 11 21:35:26 <swisstomcat> sugardave
Aug 11 21:35:27 <dekan> sugardave is afraid of ares
Aug 11 21:35:32 <sugardave> haha
Aug 11 21:35:42 <swisstomcat> what was that?
Aug 11 21:35:52 <swisstomcat> dekan: what was that?
Aug 11 21:35:53 <dekan> swisstomcat: That was 'sugardave' (#284): is afraid of ares
Aug 11 21:35:54 <CTLAdvance> dekan, CTLAdvance likes to eat
Aug 11 21:35:55 <dekan> I don't know
Aug 11 21:36:03 <CTLAdvance> dekan, CTLAdvance <likes> to eat
Aug 11 21:36:04 <dekan> Please don't edit your own factoids, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 21:36:07 <CTLAdvance> bah
Aug 11 21:36:12 <sugardave> ooops
Aug 11 21:36:14 <CTLAdvance> dekan:ctladvance
Aug 11 21:36:15 <dekan> So's your face.
Aug 11 21:36:23 <Tibfib> dekan, CTLAdvance <eats> to escape his problems
Aug 11 21:36:23 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:36:29 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:36:29 <dekan> CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems
Aug 11 21:36:32 <CTLAdvance> ugh
Aug 11 21:36:33 <sugardave> dekan: CTLAdvance is <reply> CTLAdvance likes to eat.
Aug 11 21:36:33 <Tibfib> scoobysnack
Aug 11 21:36:34 <dekan> Okay, sugardave.
Aug 11 21:36:34 <dekan> Scoobydoobeedoo!
Aug 11 21:36:40 <sugardave> dekan: CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:36:40 <dekan> CTLAdvance likes to eat.
Aug 11 21:36:46 <CTLAdvance> oy
Aug 11 21:36:48 <swisstomcat> dekan: CTLAdvance eats $celebrity to escape his problems
Aug 11 21:36:49 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 21:36:58 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 21:37:21 <sugardave> oh sorry, Tibfib
Aug 11 21:37:22 <CTLAdvance> dekan, forget CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:37:23 <dekan> I don't know anything about that.
Aug 11 21:37:31 <CTLAdvance> dekan, delete CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:37:32 <dekan> Can't talk, zombies!
Aug 11 21:37:35 <Tibfib> dekan, swisstomcat <drives> a $vehicle to work
Aug 11 21:37:36 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:37:39 <Tibfib> swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:37:40 <dekan> swisstomcat drives a ford to work
Aug 11 21:37:41 <CTLAdvance> dekan: docs
Aug 11 21:37:42 <dekan> My documentation is at: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket
Aug 11 21:37:49 <swisstomcat> cool
Aug 11 21:37:56 <swisstomcat> ain't got a ford tho
Aug 11 21:37:56 <ai6k> I drive a Ford to the commuter lot.
Aug 11 21:37:59 <swisstomcat> swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:37:59 <dekan> swisstomcat drives a ford to work
Aug 11 21:38:11 <CTLAdvance> CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:38:12 <dekan> CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems
Aug 11 21:38:12 <swisstomcat> dekan: detailed inventory
Aug 11 21:38:13 <dekan> That is not bananas
Aug 11 21:38:13 <digitalpowers> dekan: maik
Aug 11 21:38:14 <dekan> maik is so smart it scares me
Aug 11 21:38:30 <Tibfib> dekan, swisstomcat <drives> a $adjective $color $vehicle with $celebrity
Aug 11 21:38:31 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:38:37 <Tibfib> swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:38:38 <dekan> swisstomcat drives an adorable chartreuse ford with $celebrity
Aug 11 21:38:43 <swisstomcat> haha
Aug 11 21:38:46 <CTLAdvance> dekan:webOS is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 21:38:46 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 21:38:51 <CTLAdvance> dekan:webOS
Aug 11 21:38:51 <dekan> webOS is amazing!
Aug 11 21:39:04 <digitalpowers> chuqui
Aug 11 21:39:05 <dekan> LOOK, A PUPPY!!
Aug 11 21:39:10 <CTLAdvance> dekan, list webOS
Aug 11 21:39:10 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 11 21:39:22 <digitalpowers> dekan: literal webos
Aug 11 21:39:22 <Tibfib> dekan, literal swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:39:23 <dekan> webos (#95) is amazing!|(#96) <reply> amazing|(#294) is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 21:39:23 <dekan> swisstomcat drives a $vehicle to work|drives a $adjective $color $vehicle with $celebrity
Aug 11 21:39:27 <Tibfib> forget that
Aug 11 21:39:30 <Tibfib> dekan, forget that
Aug 11 21:39:31 <dekan> Can't talk, zombies!
Aug 11 21:39:43 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 11 21:39:43 <digitalpowers> Tibfib forget = delete
Aug 11 21:39:50 <Tibfib> dekan, delete that
Aug 11 21:39:50 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:39:54 <Tibfib> he doesn't do it
Aug 11 21:39:58 <Tibfib> for US, only maik.
Aug 11 21:40:01 <digitalpowers> dekan: forget that
Aug 11 21:40:01 <dekan> Okay, digitalpowers, forgot that chuqui <reply> LOOK, A PUPPY!!
Aug 11 21:40:08 <digitalpowers> gasp!
Aug 11 21:40:15 <maik> you have to specify a factoid to delete
Aug 11 21:40:18 <digitalpowers> i think he only forget's that for maik or i
Aug 11 21:40:21 <maik> forget that apparently only works for his ops
Aug 11 21:40:29 * Tibfib wnats ops
Aug 11 21:40:32 <swisstomcat> You seen my cell phone?...What’s it look like? Like two horses fucking. It’s a phone, son. It looks like a phone.
Aug 11 21:40:34 <Tibfib> then maybe I can spell
Aug 11 21:40:39 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Aug 11 21:40:45 <CTLAdvance> delete looks the same
Aug 11 21:41:39 <sugardave> sugardave =~ s/is afraid of ares/<reply>Who?
Aug 11 21:41:58 <dkirker> hi dekan
Aug 11 21:41:59 <sugardave> dekan: sugardave =~ s/is afraid of ares/<reply>Who?
Aug 11 21:42:00 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 11 21:42:06 <sugardave> dekan: sugardave =~ s/afraid of ares/<reply>Who?
Aug 11 21:42:07 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 11 21:42:10 <sugardave> bullshit
Aug 11 21:42:14 <sugardave> dekan: sugardave
Aug 11 21:42:14 <dkirker> lol
Aug 11 21:42:15 <dekan> sugardave is afraid of ares
Aug 11 21:42:18 <maik> haha
Aug 11 21:42:19 <sugardave> ah
Aug 11 21:42:21 <CTLAdvance> dekan: sugardave is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 21:42:22 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 21:42:34 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:42:35 <dekan> CTLAdvance likes to eat.
Aug 11 21:42:35 <sugardave> ONLY 2?!
Aug 11 21:42:47 <CTLAdvance> dekan:sugardave
Aug 11 21:42:47 <dekan> sugardave is my arch-nemesis
Aug 11 21:42:51 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 11 21:42:52 <sugardave> heh
Aug 11 21:42:53 <maik> sugardave: you're missing the trailing / for your regex
Aug 11 21:42:59 <sugardave> ohhhhhh
Aug 11 21:43:08 <sugardave> I always do that
Aug 11 21:43:19 <Tibfib> dekan, CTLAdvance <eats> to escape his problems as \I always do
Aug 11 21:43:20 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 21:43:23 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance
Aug 11 21:43:24 <dekan> CTLAdvance eats to escape his problems
Aug 11 21:43:46 <CTLAdvance> dekan: sugardave s/afraid of ares/is only worth 2 in the bush!/
Aug 11 21:43:46 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 21:43:51 <maik> =~
Aug 11 21:43:58 <CTLAdvance> dekan: sugardave=~ s/afraid of ares/is only worth 2 in the bush!/
Aug 11 21:43:58 <dekan> That is not bananas
Aug 11 21:44:09 <maik> noobs, all of you
Aug 11 21:44:13 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 11 21:44:22 <sugardave> dekan: sugardave =~ s/afraid of ares/<reply>Who?/
Aug 11 21:44:22 <dekan> Okay, sugardave, factoid updated.
Aug 11 21:44:28 <sugardave> ta-da
Aug 11 21:44:29 <maik> tada
Aug 11 21:44:30 <maik> heh
Aug 11 21:44:39 <sugardave> dekan: literal sugardave
Aug 11 21:44:40 <dekan> sugardave is my arch-nemesis|is <reply>Who?|<reply> hello sugardave|is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 21:44:46 <swisstomcat> i'm just a poor boy
Aug 11 21:44:57 <sugardave> and your story's seldom told
Aug 11 21:45:16 <swisstomcat> you need no sympathy
Aug 11 21:45:30 <swisstomcat> easy come
Aug 11 21:45:36 <swisstomcat> easy go
Aug 11 21:45:39 <swisstomcat> little high
Aug 11 21:45:41 <swisstomcat> little low
Aug 11 21:46:04 <sugardave> oh, I was thinking of The Boxer
Aug 11 21:46:24 <dkirker> Anyway the wind blows
Aug 11 21:46:47 <Anivrom> winter tires
Aug 11 21:47:28 <swisstomcat> queen
Aug 11 21:47:30 <swisstomcat> rulz
Aug 11 21:47:37 <swisstomcat> dekan, give sugardave a present
Aug 11 21:47:38 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 21:47:44 <swisstomcat> dekan, give me a present
Aug 11 21:47:45 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 11 21:47:48 <swisstomcat> :(
Aug 11 21:47:57 <Anivrom> dekan: shut your bloody mouth!!
Aug 11 21:47:58 <dekan> Error 42: Factoid not in database.  Please contact administrator of current universe.
Aug 11 21:48:01 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a cheeeesy burger
Aug 11 21:48:02 * dekan drops some clue and takes a cheeeesy burger.
Aug 11 21:48:02 * dkirker hands swisstomcat an ax
Aug 11 21:48:12 * swisstomcat tries the ax on dekan
Aug 11 21:48:19 <dkirker> >.<
Aug 11 21:48:29 <maik> dekan: give me a present <reply> <action> gives $who $giveitem
Aug 11 21:48:30 <dekan> Okay, maik.
Aug 11 21:48:34 <maik> dekan: give me a present
Aug 11 21:48:35 * dekan gives maik 100 camels
Aug 11 21:48:39 * CTLAdvance gives swisstomcat a thermonuclear tactical warhead
Aug 11 21:48:40 <maik> awe
Aug 11 21:48:41 <swisstomcat> dekan: give me a present
Aug 11 21:48:42 * dekan gives swisstomcat a towel
Aug 11 21:48:48 <swisstomcat> why thank you
Aug 11 21:48:49 <Tibfib> dekan: give me the ring
Aug 11 21:48:50 <dekan> Error at 0x08: Reference not found
Aug 11 21:48:53 <dkirker> dekan: give me a present
Aug 11 21:48:53 * dekan gives dkirker some quad-ply toilet paper
Aug 11 21:48:56 <dkirker> ...
Aug 11 21:48:59 <maik> dekan: inventory
Aug 11 21:49:00 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 11 21:49:00 * dekan is carrying a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a worm, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, and a cheeeesy burger.
Aug 11 21:49:15 * swisstomcat tries the thermonuclear tactical warhead on dekan
Aug 11 21:49:24 * CTLAdvance gives dekan more quad-ply toilet paper
Aug 11 21:49:25 * dekan is now carrying more quad-ply toilet paper.
Aug 11 21:49:26 <swisstomcat> *flup*
Aug 11 21:49:34 <swisstomcat> did you see that, he just ate it?
Aug 11 21:49:40 <CTLAdvance> wow
Aug 11 21:49:46 <Anivrom> lag in web ide's is my arch-nemesis
Aug 11 21:49:55 <Tibfib> Anivrom
Aug 11 21:49:56 <dekan> Anivrom hates ares
Aug 11 21:50:01 <Anivrom> heh
Aug 11 21:50:05 * swisstomcat gives dekan a brightly wrapped package containing a blobfish
Aug 11 21:50:06 * dekan now contains a brightly wrapped package containing a blobfish.
Aug 11 21:50:15 <swisstomcat> dekan: give sugardave a present
Aug 11 21:50:16 <dekan> I cannot access that data.
Aug 11 21:50:25 <maik> have to use give me a present
Aug 11 21:51:05 <swisstomcat> dekan maik You idiots keep programming me to say retarded things.
Aug 11 21:51:24 <swisstomcat> dekan: maik You idiots keep programming me to say retarded things.
Aug 11 21:51:24 <maik> i...what?
Aug 11 21:51:25 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 21:51:59 <Anivrom> Oh snap!!! Sushi buffet time! be back in hours... like lots of them
Aug 11 21:52:07 <Anivrom> a few pounds heavier
Aug 11 21:52:10 <swisstomcat> dekan: nslookup xkcd.com
Aug 11 21:52:11 <dekan> I don't know anything about that.
Aug 11 21:52:11 <maik> sushi...buffet
Aug 11 21:52:17 <Anivrom> um problem?
Aug 11 21:52:18 * CTLAdvance gives dekan a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet paper
Aug 11 21:52:19 * dekan is now carrying a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet paper.
Aug 11 21:52:20 <maik> swisstomcat: jigga please, he's not your net tool
Aug 11 21:52:29 <swisstomcat> hehe
Aug 11 21:52:32 <swisstomcat> ok, i'll stop
Aug 11 21:52:32 <maik> Anivrom: i suppose if they have good handling, then nope
Aug 11 21:52:36 <Anivrom> Look up orgasm in the dictionary and you'll find a picture of sushi
Aug 11 21:52:37 <swisstomcat> time for bed anyway
Aug 11 21:52:37 <Tibfib> dekan, stats
Aug 11 21:52:38 <dekan> I've been awake since Mon Aug  9 15:06:54 2010 (about 1 day), and was last changed about 4 weeks ago. In that time, I learned 48 new factoids, updated 5, forgot 5, and found 2 haiku. I know now a total of 235 things about 158 subjects. I know of 63 objects and am carrying 20 of them.
Aug 11 21:53:03 <swisstomcat> goodnight dekan
Aug 11 21:53:11 <Tibfib> dekan, I am male
Aug 11 21:53:12 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib
Aug 11 21:53:13 <swisstomcat> dekan: goodnight
Aug 11 21:53:14 <dekan> night night, swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:53:33 <Tibfib> say goodnight, swissy!
Aug 11 21:53:34 <dekan> Goodnight, swissy!
Aug 11 21:53:37 <maik> dekan: gender swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:53:38 <dekan> That is not bananas
Aug 11 21:53:43 <maik> hmm
Aug 11 21:53:46 <CTLAdvance> 1.4.5
Aug 11 21:53:46 <swisstomcat> hehe
Aug 11 21:53:47 * maik pokes docs
Aug 11 21:53:48 <dkirker> good night swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:53:49 <swisstomcat> nice try
Aug 11 21:53:56 <swisstomcat> laterz
Aug 11 21:54:01 <CTLAdvance> dekan: 1.4.5
Aug 11 21:54:02 <dekan> 1.4.5 Is worth 2 in the bush
Aug 11 21:54:22 <maik> dekan: what gender is swishy
Aug 11 21:54:22 <dekan> maik: swishy is androgynous.
Aug 11 21:54:26 <maik> dekan: what gender is swisstomcat
Aug 11 21:54:27 <dekan> maik: swisstomcat is androgynous.
Aug 11 21:54:27 <maik> bah
Aug 11 21:54:41 <Tibfib> What time is it?
Aug 11 21:54:42 <dekan> ADVENTURE TIME
Aug 11 21:54:46 <maik> heh
Aug 11 21:54:55 <Tibfib> Annoy maik
Aug 11 21:55:02 <haeffb_> why would my scene scroller not scroll ?
Aug 11 21:55:04 <Tibfib> dekan, Annoy maik
Aug 11 21:55:05 <dekan> I don't know
Aug 11 21:55:16 <maik> ya, that doesn't seem to be implemented
Aug 11 21:55:28 <Tibfib> Newbie pack
Aug 11 21:55:48 <Tibfib> dekan, page 1
Aug 11 21:55:49 <dekan> Error 42: Factoid not in database.  Please contact administrator of current universe.
Aug 11 21:55:50 <CTLAdvance> dekan, maik likes to eat cheese
Aug 11 21:55:50 <dekan> I cannot access that data.
Aug 11 21:56:03 <Tibfib> botsmack
Aug 11 21:56:04 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with more quad-ply toilet paper.
Aug 11 21:56:13 <Tibfib> ...
Aug 11 21:56:27 <digitalpowers> excelent
Aug 11 21:56:27 <CTLAdvance> lol
Aug 11 21:56:30 <CTLAdvance> hahaha
Aug 11 21:56:39 <CTLAdvance> I just started coughing from that
Aug 11 21:56:47 <CTLAdvance> dekan:inventory
Aug 11 21:56:48 <dekan> 
ACTION contains a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, a worm, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, a cheeeesy burger, a brightly wrapped package containing a blobfish, and a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and
Aug 11 21:57:40 <maik> heh
Aug 11 21:57:44 * CTLAdvance gives dekan more quad-ply toilet paper
Aug 11 21:57:45 * dekan now contains more quad-ply toilet paper.
Aug 11 21:57:49 <maik> i <3 my botsmack addition
Aug 11 21:58:17 <CTLAdvance> does it use random inventory objects?
Aug 11 21:58:30 <maik> dekan: what was that
Aug 11 21:58:31 <dekan> maik: That was 'botsmack' (#221): <action> dodges your attack and parries with $giveitem.
Aug 11 21:58:39 <CTLAdvance> nice
Aug 11 21:58:43 <maik> oh hmm
Aug 11 21:58:52 <maik> don't really want to use $giveitem as it uses items from his inventory
Aug 11 21:58:52 <CTLAdvance> what happened to you are dead
Aug 11 21:58:58 <haeffb_> WHY WOULD MY SCENE SCROLLER NOT SCROLL?
Aug 11 21:59:00 <maik> dekan: literal botsmack
Aug 11 21:59:00 <dekan> botsmack (#99) <reply> OUCH|(#100) <action> cowers|(#212) <action> dodges your attack and strikes you with ***EVISCERATING*** brutality. You have died.|(#221) <action> dodges your attack and parries with $giveitem.
Aug 11 21:59:05 <maik> haeffb_: did you tell it not to?
Aug 11 21:59:14 <haeffb_> not that I recall
Aug 11 21:59:21 <maik> is it an ares project?
Aug 11 21:59:24 <haeffb_> nope
Aug 11 21:59:29 <CTLAdvance> dekan: literal maik
Aug 11 21:59:29 <maik> THEN I HAVE NO IDEA
Aug 11 21:59:30 <dekan> maik is so smart it scares me
Aug 11 21:59:35 <maik> haah
Aug 11 21:59:37 * maik hugs dekan
Aug 11 21:59:40 <Tibfib> haeffb_: did you push it with disableSceneScroller: true ?
Aug 11 21:59:56 <haeffb_> nope
Aug 11 22:00:07 <maik> dekan: botsmack =~ s/<action> dodges your attack and parries with $giveitem/<action> dodges your attack and parries with $newitem/
Aug 11 22:00:08 <dekan> Okay, maik, factoid updated.
Aug 11 22:00:09 <haeffb_> this.controller.pushScene("noteslist");
Aug 11 22:00:19 <maik> haeffb_: is it long enough to need to scroll?
Aug 11 22:00:23 <haeffb_> from stageAssistant
Aug 11 22:00:24 <haeffb_> yes
Aug 11 22:00:33 <CTLAdvance> dekan: maik =~ s/so smart it scares me/about to swing the ban hammer on CTLAdvance/
Aug 11 22:00:34 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance, factoid updated.
Aug 11 22:00:36 <Tibfib> did you use a scroller
Aug 11 22:00:40 <haeffb_> no
Aug 11 22:00:41 <CTLAdvance> maik
Aug 11 22:00:42 <maik> heh
Aug 11 22:00:48 <CTLAdvance> dekan: maik
Aug 11 22:00:48 <dekan> maik is about to swing the ban hammer on CTLAdvance
Aug 11 22:00:59 <maik> i'm not a #webOS op, so i can't ban anyone
Aug 11 22:01:30 <CTLAdvance> palm needs to add a wifi access screen to the beginning ot the initial setup, so that we can restore and download our apps faster
Aug 11 22:01:43 <CTLAdvance> no but you can unlisten me
Aug 11 22:01:47 <maik> troof
Aug 11 22:01:49 * maik bbl
Aug 11 22:01:50 <digitalpowers> hey maik! i just linked someone to one of your wiki articles!
Aug 11 22:02:12 <CTLAdvance> dekan: palm is needs to add a wifi access screen to the beginning ot the initial setup, so that we can restore and download our apps faster
Aug 11 22:02:12 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 22:02:13 <sugardave> haeffb_: did you put a fixed div from top to bottom in the scene?
Aug 11 22:02:16 <CTLAdvance> dekan: palm
Aug 11 22:02:17 <dekan> palm is needs to add a wifi access screen to the beginning ot the initial setup, so that we can restore and download our apps faster
Aug 11 22:03:17 <Tibfib> dekan, forget that
Aug 11 22:03:18 <dekan> Can't talk, zombies!
Aug 11 22:03:24 <Tibfib> BOTSMACK
Aug 11 22:03:25 * dekan dodges your attack and parries with a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet paper.
Aug 11 22:03:30 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 11 22:03:46 <Tibfib> I haven't got a "cowers" in a long time...
Aug 11 22:03:48 <haeffb_> sugardave: yes!
Aug 11 22:03:51 <sugardave> dekan means business
Aug 11 22:03:56 <digitalpowers> Tibfib have you tried "Dekan: delete palm"
Aug 11 22:03:59 <sugardave> haeffb_: that will do it
Aug 11 22:04:03 <Tibfib> dekan, delete palm
Aug 11 22:04:03 <dekan> I don't know anything about that.
Aug 11 22:04:08 <Tibfib> he doesn't listen to me
Aug 11 22:04:13 * Tibfib smacks dekan
Aug 11 22:04:20 <Tibfib> say OUCH!
Aug 11 22:04:20 <dekan> OUCH!
Aug 11 22:04:27 <digitalpowers> dekan, delete palm
Aug 11 22:04:28 <dekan> Okay, digitalpowers, 1 factoid deleted.
Aug 11 22:04:37 <digitalpowers> there you go Tibfib, feel better?
Aug 11 22:04:56 <CTLAdvance> dekan, say one in the urn is worth two in the bush
Aug 11 22:04:57 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 11 22:05:06 <CTLAdvance> say one in the urn
Aug 11 22:05:07 <dekan> say one in the urn is worth two in the bush
Aug 11 22:05:13 <sugardave> hahaha
Aug 11 22:05:17 <CTLAdvance> say cheese
Aug 11 22:05:18 <dekan> Cheese!
Aug 11 22:05:23 <CTLAdvance> duck
Aug 11 22:05:29 <haeffb_> difficult as though it may be to believe, sugardave is correct once again.
Aug 11 22:05:34 <CTLAdvance> say walla walla washington
Aug 11 22:05:35 <dekan> Walla walla washington!
Aug 11 22:05:35 <sugardave> :D
Aug 11 22:05:45 <Tibfib> lol, why did you have a fixed div?
Aug 11 22:05:53 <sugardave> damn, and anivrom isn't here
Aug 11 22:06:24 <sugardave> Tibfib: why not?  I use them and then put my own scrollers in play
Aug 11 22:06:32 <haeffb_> actually i had two, only one breaks the scene scroller
Aug 11 22:06:41 <digitalpowers> CTLAdvance you from walla walla?
Aug 11 22:06:55 <CTLAdvance> nope
Aug 11 22:07:03 <haeffb_> the other is used to set my background color
Aug 11 22:07:04 <sugardave> yeah, they cause the scene scroller to not function..it might, but that div will always be there
Aug 11 22:07:06 <CTLAdvance> u
Aug 11 22:08:05 <digitalpowers> just think it is a funny name?
Aug 11 22:10:00 <sugardave> dekan: wawawa is http://www.sadtrombone.com/
Aug 11 22:10:01 <dekan> Okay, sugardave.
Aug 11 22:10:19 <sugardave> I couldn't set that one in /msg either
Aug 11 22:10:30 <digitalpowers> cause you talk bad about my home town and i might have to get all crazy on you
Aug 11 22:10:48 <Tibfib> rimshot
Aug 11 22:10:55 <Tibfib> dekan, rimshot?
Aug 11 22:10:56 <dekan> I don't know
Aug 11 22:11:04 <Tibfib> I swear someone put it in
Aug 11 22:12:49 <Tibfib> dekan, rimshot is http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot
Aug 11 22:12:51 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 22:13:23 <sugardave> wawawa
Aug 11 22:13:23 <dekan> wawawa is http://www.sadtrombone.com/
Aug 11 22:13:41 <Tibfib> that took a while.
Aug 11 22:14:02 <sugardave> crap I did it wrong anyway
Aug 11 22:14:08 <sugardave> I wanted it to be a reply
Aug 11 22:14:16 <sugardave> now I'm too lazy to escape all those /s
Aug 11 22:25:28 <Tibfib> oh shoot http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-sony-ericsson-to-introduce-android-3-0-gaming-platfor/
Aug 11 22:25:44 * Tibfib might have to get that
Aug 11 22:26:30 <dkirker> Tibfib: I just saw that. Seems pretty cool, actually.
Aug 11 22:26:54 <Tibfib> yeah. If they ported psx games, I'd be hooked
Aug 11 22:27:26 * Tibfib wants ff9 and tactics
Aug 11 22:27:34 <torchie> hell yeah
Aug 11 22:27:57 <sugardave> I have ff tactics on my ps3
Aug 11 22:28:07 <sugardave> I totally screwed up and have to start over....been putting it off
Aug 11 22:28:30 <Tibfib> I hope we get a psx emu by then
Aug 11 22:28:34 <sugardave> well, not completely over...but a long save back
Aug 11 22:30:21 <Tibfib> hah, I love that game
Aug 11 22:32:35 <CTLAdvance> so anyone know about the uberkernel
Aug 11 22:32:56 <CTLAdvance> dekan:uberkenel
Aug 11 22:32:57 <dekan> I don't know
Aug 11 22:33:05 <CTLAdvance> dekan:uberkernel
Aug 11 22:33:05 <dekan> A thousand apologies, effendi, but I do not understand.
Aug 11 22:33:13 <CTLAdvance> stinky
Aug 11 22:33:17 <CTLAdvance> say ouch
Aug 11 22:33:18 <dekan> Ouch!
Aug 11 22:34:10 <sugardave> do you know about uberkernel?
Aug 11 22:34:11 <dekan> No, but if you hum a few bars I can fake it
Aug 11 22:35:05 <CTLAdvance> uberkernel has several settings correct?
Aug 11 22:35:07 <CTLAdvance> for speed
Aug 11 22:35:10 <CTLAdvance> or is that govnah
Aug 11 22:35:51 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: do you have fat princess?
Aug 11 22:36:40 <sugardave> I do
Aug 11 22:36:48 <sugardave> haven't played in a while
Aug 11 22:36:56 <HattCzech_work> i just picked it up cuz it was on sale
Aug 11 22:36:58 <sugardave> haven't played anything in a long while, actually
Aug 11 22:37:02 <sugardave> it's fun
Aug 11 22:37:06 <HattCzech_work> i was playing the demo for a while before that
Aug 11 22:37:08 <sugardave> I haven't gotten the new stuff
Aug 11 22:37:13 <HattCzech_work> neither have i
Aug 11 22:37:26 <HattCzech_work> and in my opinion, those classes are a bit too over-powered
Aug 11 22:37:30 <sugardave> heh
Aug 11 22:37:35 <sugardave> "balance"
Aug 11 22:37:37 <HattCzech_work> psn id?
Aug 11 22:37:42 <HattCzech_work> mine's PriceCzech
Aug 11 22:37:43 <sugardave> sugardave
Aug 11 22:37:44 <dekan> sugardave is <reply>Who?
Aug 11 22:37:51 <sugardave> doh
Aug 11 22:38:16 <sugardave> dekan: sugardave =~ s/<reply>Who?/<reply> Who?/
Aug 11 22:38:17 <dekan> Okay, sugardave, factoid updated.
Aug 11 22:38:41 <rwhitby> CTLAdvance: UberKernel implements the speed control.  Govnah sets the settings to control the kernel.
Aug 11 22:40:47 <CTLAdvance> Can they be installed from preware?
Aug 11 22:41:30 * sugardave wonders when we get to use x-mojo-version="2" in index.html.
Aug 11 22:42:17 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: what's your psn id?
Aug 11 22:42:21 <sugardave> sugardave
Aug 11 22:42:22 <dekan> sugardave is my arch-nemesis
Aug 11 22:42:30 <Tibfib> dekan, webos 2.0 is set to release this year, so it'll probably be out next spring
Aug 11 22:42:30 <dekan> Okay, Tibfib.
Aug 11 22:42:45 <CTLAdvance> this is bad... pre is like a slug with 1.4.5 stock :/
Aug 11 22:42:46 <sugardave> hi reality9110
Aug 11 22:42:47 <HattCzech_work> well, that makes things simple
Aug 11 22:42:53 <reality9110> Hey dave
Aug 11 22:43:08 <HattCzech_work> and i'm done working for the day
Aug 11 22:43:10 <HattCzech_work> adios all
Aug 11 22:43:13 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: cya
Aug 11 22:43:24 <Tibfib> say bye-bye HattCzech_work
Aug 11 22:43:25 <dekan> Bye-bye HattCzech_work!
Aug 11 22:43:32 <HattCzech_work> haha, nice
Aug 11 22:45:42 <reality9110> The Silverlight media player (mediaelement) is almost as big of a piece of crap as the WebOS implementation
Aug 11 22:47:09 <CTLAdvance> for wp7?
Aug 11 22:47:16 <reality9110> You know it...
Aug 11 22:48:01 <reality9110> Got to be ahead of the game if you're going to make any money
Aug 11 22:54:14 <reality9110> There's no metadata support for the Silverlight mediaelement
Aug 11 23:08:54 <haeffb_> reality9110: I thougt we weren't in it for the money... :)
Aug 11 23:10:04 <sugardave> hmmm...I thought you could say class="right" and get a float:right automatically
Aug 11 23:12:13 <reality9110> haeffb_: I'm certainly not in it for the fun
Aug 11 23:12:28 <reality9110> It used to be fun...now it's just complicated
Aug 11 23:13:18 <haeffb_> complicated isn't good
Aug 11 23:13:32 <haeffb_> sugardave: maybe depends on what other classes
Aug 11 23:13:52 <kesne> Hey all!
Aug 11 23:15:13 <haeffb_> sugardave: .palm-row.label.right
Aug 11 23:15:28 <haeffb_> so it only applies to a label in a palm-row
Aug 11 23:15:47 <kesne> http://www.driftlessponyclub.com/
Aug 11 23:15:57 <kesne> My fav band of the week
Aug 11 23:17:16 <sugardave> ah. will just make my own left and right
Aug 11 23:26:26 <krushia_> anyone know how to change mac address of wifi on pre? trying to make sense of what does what in /etc
Aug 11 23:28:07 <krushia_> tried doing it via ifconfig but eth0 vanishes when brought down
Aug 11 23:29:18 <haeffb> sugardave: did you get this... [18:14] <haeffb_> sugardave: .palm-row.label.right
Aug 11 23:29:26 <sugardave> haeffb: yes, thanks
Aug 11 23:29:49 <haeffb> Ok. took my laptop out on the deck & lost connection
Aug 11 23:30:09 <sugardave> I just made my own .left and .right
Aug 11 23:33:13 * haeffb needs a decent command menu icon for "date" and "time"
Aug 11 23:33:23 <haeffb> one for each
Aug 11 23:33:49 <haeffb> time is in Clock and date in Calendar...
Aug 11 23:36:07 <sugardave> calendar and clock icons ain't doing it for you?
Aug 11 23:36:55 <krushia_> what role does pmwifidhclient play?
Aug 11 23:37:29 <sugardave> krushia_: you might have better luck in #webos-internals
Aug 11 23:37:45 <krushia_> I get that a lot
Aug 11 23:37:54 <b3ll> hello
Aug 11 23:40:15 <digitalpowers> OT: this looks good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIetIg7O3M
Aug 11 23:51:49 <sugardave> has anyone else noticed that the slide widget background image doesn't go far enough to the right?
Aug 11 23:53:09 <kesne> I think I'm going to buy advertising on a Blimp
Aug 11 23:53:12 <LoneStar99> when writting a report what is the font size I am suppose to use 10 or 12?
Aug 11 23:53:22 <LoneStar99> kinda forgot
Aug 11 23:53:25 <kesne> LoneStar99: MLA says 12
Aug 11 23:53:32 <LoneStar99> perfect thanks
Aug 11 23:53:42 <kesne> I prefer 11
Aug 11 23:54:00 <kesne> I use 11 point, 1 inch margins, 1.5 line spacing
Aug 11 23:54:33 <Switchedgear> whooohooo
Aug 11 23:55:07 <Switchedgear> yall are dang boring
Aug 11 23:55:43 <sugardave> untrue
Aug 11 23:56:38 <sugardave> well....maybe a little
Aug 11 23:57:11 * sugardave gives dekan the Hoe of Destruction
Aug 11 23:57:12 * dekan is now carrying the Hoe of Destruction, but dropped a worm.
Aug 11 23:59:32 <Switchedgear> how do yall do that?
Aug 11 23:59:51 <Switchedgear> *
Aug 12 00:00:02 <Switchedgear> ugh
Aug 12 00:01:48 <sugardave> you have to do /me gives dekan [whatever]
Aug 12 00:01:53 <sugardave> dekan: inventory
Aug 12 00:01:53 <dekan> I am carrying a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, some nitroglycerine, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, a cheeeesy burger, a brightly wrapped package containing a blobfish, a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet
Aug 12 00:05:22 <kesne> Bah
Aug 12 00:05:29 <kesne> this project is consuming all of my time
Aug 12 00:06:03 <madnificent> dekan: This would be the place where Duke Nukem says "It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of gum"
Aug 12 00:06:04 <dekan> Beeeeeeeeeeeeep!
Aug 12 00:08:05 <kesne> I'm awesome!
Aug 12 00:08:06 <dekan> No you're not dude, don't lie!
Aug 12 00:08:27 <madnificent> kesne: DUKE :D
Aug 12 00:08:37 <sugardave> dekan: bubblegum is <reply> I came to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and it looks like I'm all out of gum
Aug 12 00:08:37 <dekan> Okay, sugardave.
Aug 12 00:08:42 <kesne> dekan: I'm awesome!
Aug 12 00:08:42 <sugardave> something close
Aug 12 00:08:42 <kesne> :O
Aug 12 00:08:42 <dekan> No you're not dude, don't lie!
Aug 12 00:08:46 <sugardave> bubblegum
Aug 12 00:08:46 <dekan> I came to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and it looks like I'm all out of gum
Aug 12 00:08:48 <kesne> dekan: hello?
Aug 12 00:08:48 <dekan> WZUP kesne!
Aug 12 00:08:49 <kesne> There we go
Aug 12 00:08:54 * torchie gives dekan some gum
Aug 12 00:08:55 <kesne> Laaaag
Aug 12 00:08:55 * dekan is now carrying some gum, but dropped the Hoe of Destruction.
Aug 12 00:09:00 <torchie> o nose
Aug 12 00:09:07 * kesne gives dekan a used condom.
Aug 12 00:09:08 * dekan drops some nitroglycerine and takes a used condom.
Aug 12 00:09:09 <madnificent> kesne: :D
Aug 12 00:09:11 * torchie gives dekan more gum
Aug 12 00:09:12 * dekan is now carrying more gum, but dropped a brightly wrapped package containing a blobfish.
Aug 12 00:09:28 <kesne> dekan: inventory
Aug 12 00:09:29 <dekan> 
ACTION contains a coke, a sugardave, a deathray, 1.4.5 which is worth 2 in the bush, a 900killoton thermonuclear warhead, a flux capacitor, the capacity to hold the third death star, the ring, more clue, a Sublime CD, a Bag of Holding, even more clue, more and more clue, a penny, a cheeeesy burger, a parked tractor trailer full of tri-ply and quad-ply toilet paper, more quad-ply toilet paper, some gum, a used condom, and mor
Aug 12 00:09:52 <madnificent> so... someone preferred to write a bot instead of an RPG
Aug 12 00:10:14 <kesne> haha
Aug 12 00:10:25 <kesne> madnificent: when did you get here?
Aug 12 00:11:30 <madnificent> I started camping here a few days after I ordered my pre... so 5 days ago or so?
Aug 12 00:11:44 <madnificent> I've hiked in here before for short periods of time
Aug 12 00:15:11 <madnificent> is there data available about the amount of payed apps being sold?
Aug 12 00:15:42 <madnificent> and in which sections of the market most apps are sold (is it games, productivity, ...)
Aug 12 00:22:08 <torchie> winter can suck it
Aug 12 00:24:57 <madnificent> that silly southern hemisphere
Aug 12 00:25:31 <CTLAdvance> dekan:duke
Aug 12 00:25:32 <dekan> I'm sorry, there's currently nothing associated with that keyphrase.
Aug 12 00:25:54 <CTLAdvance> dekan: duke is duke nukem and he is the mother fucking man!
Aug 12 00:25:55 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 12 00:25:58 <CTLAdvance> duke
Aug 12 00:26:06 <CTLAdvance> dekan, duke
Aug 12 00:26:07 <dekan> duke is duke nukem and he is the mother fucking man!
Aug 12 00:26:14 <CTLAdvance> bubblegum
Aug 12 00:26:15 <dekan> I came to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and it looks like I'm all out of gum
Aug 12 00:26:42 <CTLAdvance> looks like I need to move the duke nukem soundboard to the catalog since the 50 fee is gone
Aug 12 00:27:19 <madnificent> CTLAdvance: it's your app?
Aug 12 00:27:55 <CTLAdvance> yes
Aug 12 00:28:02 <CTLAdvance> the soundboard is
Aug 12 00:28:06 <CTLAdvance> why
Aug 12 00:28:10 <madnificent> I wouldn't have payed for it, but thanks
Aug 12 00:28:19 <CTLAdvance> yeah I wont charge for it
Aug 12 00:28:33 <madnificent> it gave me and my brother a good laugh and a nice moment back to our youth :)
Aug 12 00:28:34 <CTLAdvance> I need to update all of my soundboards so that they play faster
Aug 12 00:28:44 <madnificent> sigh, how do you write that correctly?
Aug 12 00:28:44 <CTLAdvance> same here
Aug 12 00:28:52 <madnificent> it was fine!
Aug 12 00:28:54 <CTLAdvance> write what
Aug 12 00:28:59 <madnificent> youth
Aug 12 00:29:06 <madnificent> is that correct?  as in being young
Aug 12 00:29:38 <madnificent> looks like it was written correctly (yay for me)
Aug 12 00:30:19 <madnificent> either case, it was fun to hear it again... I would've loved a port of duke nukem 3d to the pre or any linux device, but I don't think the engine can run on linux
Aug 12 00:30:35 <CTLAdvance> there is a duke 3d port
Aug 12 00:30:47 <CTLAdvance> you need to have it on a disk though to get the rest of the files
Aug 12 00:30:51 <madnificent> is there?
Aug 12 00:30:54 <CTLAdvance> yes
Aug 12 00:30:56 <madnificent> hmmm, I should search for my copy then
Aug 12 00:31:18 <CTLAdvance> you essentially have to build it using your disk and then it will play on your device
Aug 12 00:31:25 <madnificent> "I'm gonna rip your head off and shit down your neck" << I still remember the boss :D
Aug 12 00:31:47 <CTLAdvance> sigh - I wish that dnf was here
Aug 12 00:32:05 <madnificent> given the last screenshots, I don't
Aug 12 00:32:26 <madnificent> the concept with the jeep wasn't what duke was about imo
Aug 12 00:32:34 <madnificent> all previous concept art was near-perfect for me though
Aug 12 00:34:11 <madnificent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUN7mHUtzno <3 dnf teasers
Aug 12 00:34:47 <CTLAdvance> I didnt see anything with a jeep
Aug 12 00:35:00 <CTLAdvance> did they post that up on the duke facebook page
Aug 12 00:35:30 <madnificent> CTLAdvance: the last teaser I saw contained a jeep in which he drove around... probably some kind of  side-track though
Aug 12 00:36:18 <madnificent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pr3mT2TOo4  I think (not finished seeing it yet, but that should be the one)
Aug 12 00:36:58 <CTLAdvance> oh wow
Aug 12 00:37:03 <CTLAdvance> we have some real trailers now
Aug 12 00:37:54 <madnificent> CTLAdvance: I think it's from februari or so
Aug 12 00:38:15 <madnificent> probably not the game they will release though, they've shown teasers with gameplay that was as far as this one and no game came out of it
Aug 12 00:38:27 <madnificent> plus, there are the licensing issues (of which I don't know the current status)
Aug 12 00:39:38 <haeffb> madnificent: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2098
Aug 12 00:40:52 <CTLAdvance> this was posted in april
Aug 12 00:40:59 <CTLAdvance> this looks pretty awesome
Aug 12 00:41:06 <CTLAdvance> but now sure about the freaking puzzles
Aug 12 00:41:32 <madnificent> CTLAdvance: Duke style: don't think, ever
Aug 12 00:41:46 <CTLAdvance> duke would drive the monster truck
Aug 12 00:41:53 <CTLAdvance> but he wouldnt have freakin puzzles
Aug 12 00:42:26 <madnificent> each puzzle comes down to dropping something in something that turns :P
Aug 12 00:43:44 <madnificent> haeffb: any information on the amount of downloads?
Aug 12 00:43:48 <madnificent> haeffb: and thanks
Aug 12 00:44:56 <CTLAdvance> I wish when you shot them their guts still exploded
Aug 12 00:45:13 <CTLAdvance> I had duke nukem 64 which was 3d except on nintendo 64
Aug 12 00:45:23 <CTLAdvance> and when I shot them they exploded
Aug 12 00:45:29 <madnificent> :P
Aug 12 00:45:31 <CTLAdvance> then I could kick their remains
Aug 12 00:45:34 <haeffb> http://www.cyrket.com/search?category=6953&market=palm has total downloads, but not unique
Aug 12 00:45:37 <CTLAdvance> and they would go all over
Aug 12 00:45:54 <CTLAdvance> the xbox arcade version is weak
Aug 12 00:45:58 <CTLAdvance> missing all of the gore
Aug 12 00:48:05 <madnificent> pdk app seems interesting, but I don't have time by the 30st :(
Aug 12 00:50:15 <madnificent> haeffb: seems like popular apps should reach 10000 downloads
Aug 12 00:51:48 <CTLAdvance> ;ooks like june 11th 3d realms settled with take 2 and 3d realms still owns duke
Aug 12 00:51:51 <CTLAdvance> so yeah
Aug 12 00:51:54 <CTLAdvance> its coming
Aug 12 00:52:12 <madnificent> it's going to be far from completed, I guess... but we'll see
Aug 12 00:52:18 <CTLAdvance> dekan: forever is cming soon, and yes I have balls of steel.
Aug 12 00:52:19 <dekan> Okay, CTLAdvance.
Aug 12 00:52:23 <CTLAdvance> forever
Aug 12 00:52:23 <dekan> forever is cming soon, and yes I have balls of steel.
Aug 12 00:52:36 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Aug 12 00:52:37 <madnificent> they should ask money from ATI... there's going to be a whole generation of gamers buying a new computer, just to play DNF
Aug 12 00:53:05 <CTLAdvance> the good thing is since there is no longer a lawsuit they should be able to get a development team again
Aug 12 00:53:25 <madnificent> did they ever have one?
Aug 12 00:53:36 <madnificent> I thought it were the creators of the first ones that did the 3D too
Aug 12 00:53:36 <CTLAdvance> and what I mean is get investors... that will be key
Aug 12 00:53:55 <CTLAdvance> they had a good sized dev team until sometime in 2009
Aug 12 00:54:00 <CTLAdvance> they had to downsize
Aug 12 00:54:13 <CTLAdvance> June 11th they settled the lawsuit
Aug 12 00:54:21 <madnificent> and afaict, they always chose to make it something they wanted to dev.  The inside vid I saw (which was a gameplay session) showed only 3 devs, all 3 of which were devs of the original duke nukem 3d design
Aug 12 00:59:21 <CTLAdvance> Here is what I think happened
Aug 12 00:59:39 <CTLAdvance> the original devs are most likely still there and they fired all of the new hires
Aug 12 00:59:49 <CTLAdvance> or people who dont have senior duke status
Aug 12 00:59:56 <CTLAdvance> or people who dont have balls of steel
Aug 12 01:00:14 <CTLAdvance> since duke is a vision, they need the original all stars
Aug 12 01:00:47 <wh0dat> I really like this Named Pages patch but everytime I upgrade the OS I have to run EPR because it gives errors when trying to update it.
Aug 12 01:03:04 <madnificent> the names of the pages should appear in the universal search
Aug 12 01:03:59 <wh0dat> I like the category names at the top of each launcher page
Aug 12 01:04:07 <wh0dat> like the treo did ;)
Aug 12 01:08:33 <digitalpowers> anyone else having trouble submitting apps to palm today?
Aug 12 01:11:49 <sugardave> what is it that I'm missing...I keep having to restart my emu to get my app icon to update even after uninstalling the app
Aug 12 01:12:52 <sugardave> oh, or maybe just install it twice...wth?
Aug 12 01:14:46 <CTLAdvance> it should install them in chron order
Aug 12 01:14:52 <CTLAdvance> and higher version last etc
Aug 12 01:15:04 <CTLAdvance> increment the version and it should update on install
Aug 12 01:15:29 <sugardave> but it should just work if I uninstall first
Aug 12 01:15:38 <sugardave> but nooooo
Aug 12 01:16:00 <halfhalo_pre> lul
Aug 12 01:17:12 <CTLAdvance> i usually do
Aug 12 01:17:28 <CTLAdvance> palm-install *appname_*
Aug 12 01:17:43 <CTLAdvance> all though you can type them all out
Aug 12 01:17:46 <CTLAdvance> if you want
Aug 12 01:18:19 <CTLAdvance> anyone use the virtual keyboard
Aug 12 01:20:02 <sugardave> haeffb: ping
Aug 12 01:20:10 <CTLAdvance> dekan:ping
Aug 12 01:20:11 <haeffb> dekan: sugardave
Aug 12 01:20:11 <dekan> UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION: TERMINATING
Aug 12 01:20:11 <dekan> hello sugardave
Aug 12 01:20:39 <CTLAdvance> hello
Aug 12 01:20:42 <sugardave> haeffb: are you also submitting Noted! to the palm beta feed at the same time as precentral?
Aug 12 01:20:46 <CTLAdvance> dekan: eat
Aug 12 01:20:47 <dekan> So's your face.
Aug 12 01:21:00 <haeffb> nope
Aug 12 01:21:16 <digitalpowers> so i take it no one else has had trouble submitting apps?
Aug 12 01:21:19 <haeffb> I think it's getting pretty close to submitting to catalog, tho
Aug 12 01:21:35 <haeffb> digitalpowers: haven't done any in a week or so
Aug 12 01:21:53 <sugardave> cool, mind taking a look at this one before I go through the "make a forum" process at precentral?
Aug 12 01:22:20 <haeffb> sure
Aug 12 01:25:57 <CTLAdvance> oh crap
Aug 12 01:25:57 <sugardave> haeffb: sent
Aug 12 01:26:08 <CTLAdvance> I installed the new preware and cant stop patching
Aug 12 01:26:22 <CTLAdvance> I havent had preware installed since august 2009
Aug 12 01:26:52 * oil feels sorry for you :)
Aug 12 01:27:18 * haeffb has never installed a patch
Aug 12 01:27:21 <CTLAdvance> before the overclock kernels and when it had its package manager service originally it was toooooo slow
Aug 12 01:27:34 <oil> it still has the package manager service
Aug 12 01:27:37 <oil> but now in c instead of java
Aug 12 01:27:49 <oil> and its included in the same package
Aug 12 01:28:38 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Aug 12 01:28:49 <CTLAdvance> originally it was running all the time wasnt it
Aug 12 01:28:55 <CTLAdvance> now its just when the app is open
Aug 12 01:29:08 <CTLAdvance> c is so much more efficient then java
Aug 12 01:30:25 <Chriswebos> does anyone use AddressingWidget  widget?
Aug 12 01:32:25 <halfhalo_pre> pre is acting up... won't whut screen off after it lights up locked for a notification and keeps wiping wircs settings
Aug 12 01:35:47 <haeffb> sugardave: pm
Aug 12 01:36:43 <haeffb> oil: in wirc prefs, did you use listselector or popupSubmenu for the category selector?
Aug 12 01:39:08 <Chriswebos> no one uses addressingwidget?
Aug 12 01:39:38 <oil> submenu i believe
Aug 12 01:48:07 <torchie> is 030 about
Aug 12 01:49:25 <oil> yeah
Aug 12 01:49:50 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: I can't do the siren flasher yet...got to handle 3 and 4 colors
Aug 12 01:50:07 <dawm|laptop> weak
Aug 12 01:50:15 <dawm|laptop> stack them
Aug 12 01:50:20 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 12 01:50:21 <torchie> oil: wheeeere
Aug 12 01:50:38 <dawm|laptop> or better yet, hide the feature with a keypress combo :P
Aug 12 01:50:40 <oil> in preware
Aug 12 01:50:49 <sugardave> but, tell me how to make the spinner show, because this is twice now where I am doing weird formatting/rendering and the damn thing won't show up
Aug 12 01:50:57 <sugardave> until the rendering is done, and then it's too late
Aug 12 01:51:12 <dawm|laptop> how do you have it
Aug 12 01:51:49 <sugardave> I think this one does it all in the list attributes with formatters and dividerTemplate
Aug 12 01:52:07 <dawm|laptop> how is the spinner setup
Aug 12 01:52:07 <sugardave> and I do it all in setup
Aug 12 01:52:29 <dawm|laptop> visible and spinning by default? or are you turning that on and then off
Aug 12 01:52:33 <sugardave> in setup with a model
Aug 12 01:52:39 <sugardave> no it's on and spinning
Aug 12 01:52:48 <sugardave> and I just hide the scrim it sits in
Aug 12 01:52:50 <dawm|laptop> yeah its the data loading that prevent it
Aug 12 01:52:54 <sugardave> right
Aug 12 01:53:03 <dawm|laptop> same reason the rest of the widget ui aint showing up
Aug 12 01:53:13 <dawm|laptop> setup the list with an empty model
Aug 12 01:53:24 <dawm|laptop> then in activate or ready fill the list model
Aug 12 01:53:28 <sugardave> ah
Aug 12 01:53:29 <sugardave> okay
Aug 12 01:53:35 <dawm|laptop> that way the widgets are there
Aug 12 01:53:39 <dawm|laptop> youll get the scrim for loading
Aug 12 01:53:44 <sugardave> what other widget ui is messed up?
Aug 12 01:53:57 <dawm|laptop> not really messed up
Aug 12 01:54:10 <dawm|laptop> but all you see is text, then once the data is loaded the images appear
Aug 12 01:54:15 <sugardave> oh right
Aug 12 01:54:16 <sugardave> yeah
Aug 12 01:54:23 <dawm|laptop> basically your seeing just the html until setup() is done
Aug 12 01:54:32 <dawm|laptop> which applies the widget ui
Aug 12 01:54:50 <dawm|laptop> so for the new wIRC i remove the old wIRCD? and wIRC 1.0?
Aug 12 01:55:20 <dawm|laptop> and if you use activate() make sure it checks to see if the list model is empty
Aug 12 01:55:37 <dawm|laptop> otherwise its gonna reload/refresh if the user minimizes
Aug 12 01:55:51 <dawm|laptop> you only want it on the initial scene load, but i think you could use ready()
Aug 12 01:55:59 <dawm|laptop> i think thats after setup()
Aug 12 01:56:59 <haeffb> setup...ready....activate
Aug 12 01:57:33 <dawm|laptop> but is ready called the same as activate (from card minimized for example) ?
Aug 12 01:58:35 <haeffb> nope only on first setup
Aug 12 01:59:13 <dawm|laptop> ok so ready would be better suited
Aug 12 02:01:17 <dawm|pre> terst
Aug 12 02:01:45 <dawm|laptop> dawm|pre: testie?
Aug 12 02:01:55 <sugardave> okay, so in activate, it shows the spinner very briefly in the emu, but not at all on the phone
Aug 12 02:01:58 <sugardave> :S
Aug 12 02:02:01 <dawm|laptop> oil fix the dash/notification icon, its not color :P
Aug 12 02:02:15 <oil> it isn't for any app :/
Aug 12 02:02:25 <dawm|laptop> yes it is
Aug 12 02:02:33 <dawm|laptop> badkitty and ringwhere have color icons :)
Aug 12 02:03:25 <Deihmos> i thought bad kitty was bad
Aug 12 02:03:45 <dawm|laptop> i honestly do not know why it works that way, but i only have smallicon: in the appinfo
Aug 12 02:03:56 <dawm|laptop> took me forever to figure out why badkitty had a color icon
Aug 12 02:04:08 <dawm|laptop> as soon as i removed miniicon: it became color
Aug 12 02:08:54 <sugardave> in ready, same thing...even faster with no scrim or spinner on the emu, scrim with text and no spinner on the phone
Aug 12 02:08:57 <sugardave> suck
Aug 12 02:10:15 <dawm|laptop> dawm|pre: testie?
Aug 12 02:10:24 <sugardave> yeah, still no workie
Aug 12 02:10:43 <haeffb> notification icons can be in color
Aug 12 02:10:44 <dawm|laptop> pastie
Aug 12 02:10:47 <dawm|laptop> dave
Aug 12 02:11:00 <sugardave> tried it in aboutToActivate...that seems to halt the entire scene construction until the list is built
Aug 12 02:11:43 <haeffb> 	"smallicon": "done32.png",
Aug 12 02:11:43 <haeffb> 	"miniicon": "done32.png",
Aug 12 02:11:51 <dawm|laptop> really
Aug 12 02:12:01 <haeffb> which is a color icon & shows up in notifications
Aug 12 02:12:02 <dawm|laptop> i had to remove miniicon for it to become color
Aug 12 02:12:14 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: http://webos.pastebin.com/fsErpT8J
Aug 12 02:12:25 <sugardave> that's ready
Aug 12 02:14:28 <haeffb> your list has like 130 items?
Aug 12 02:14:34 <sugardave> yeah
Aug 12 02:14:45 <sugardave> a little more because of the dividers
Aug 12 02:15:05 <haeffb> the problem is your spinner doesn't appear?
Aug 12 02:15:09 <sugardave> that's right
Aug 12 02:15:55 <Tibfib> dangit. who knows php?
Aug 12 02:16:01 <sugardave> Tibfib: I know a little
Aug 12 02:16:13 <dawm|laptop> i know enough
Aug 12 02:16:25 <Tibfib> I just need to go through an array and change a value for each item... or add one
Aug 12 02:16:37 <dawm|laptop> foreach
Aug 12 02:16:40 <sugardave> yep
Aug 12 02:17:27 <dawm|laptop> foreach($array as $key => $value) { $array[$key] = 'bingo'.$value; }
Aug 12 02:17:38 <dawm|laptop> that adds bingo to the beginning of each item
Aug 12 02:17:42 <dawm|laptop> iirc
Aug 12 02:18:28 <Tibfib> alrighty thanks
Aug 12 02:18:41 <haeffb> sugardave: here's how I do scrim/spiner: http://webos.pastebin.com/rak6V9P2
Aug 12 02:18:49 <dawm|laptop> or foreach($array as $item) { $array[$item] = 'bingo'.$array[$item]; }
Aug 12 02:18:58 <dawm|laptop> if its a non-associative array
Aug 12 02:19:06 <dawm|laptop> again iirc
Aug 12 02:19:51 <sugardave> wth is delay(10)?
Aug 12 02:19:59 <Tibfib> delays the function by 10 seconds
Aug 12 02:20:12 <sugardave> interesting
Aug 12 02:20:14 <halfhalo_pre> lol
Aug 12 02:20:22 <sugardave> but
Aug 12 02:20:27 <Tibfib> I haven't been able to get it to work though... probably just bad luck
Aug 12 02:20:38 <sugardave> shouldn't just showing/hiding the scrim be enough?
Aug 12 02:20:55 <sugardave> if you set the spinner with spinning on
Aug 12 02:21:17 <dawm|laptop> the spinner is a strip of images
Aug 12 02:21:28 <dawm|laptop> if you dont turn it off, its still doing the work of changing the image
Aug 12 02:21:51 <sugardave> alrighty, I can add that...but it's still not going to make it appear :D
Aug 12 02:21:57 <dawm|laptop> heh
Aug 12 02:22:12 <dawm|laptop> you have the scrim being shown at the end of setup right?
Aug 12 02:22:32 <haeffb> sugardave: that's so the sync log stays up for 10 seconds
Aug 12 02:22:46 <haeffb> it's separate from the scrim/spinner
Aug 12 02:23:22 <haeffb> Tibfib: my delay code works... :)
Aug 12 02:23:41 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: actually, I just hide the scrim in a function I call from activate
Aug 12 02:23:56 <sugardave> so it starts visible with a spinning spinner
Aug 12 02:23:57 <dawm|laptop> hide it from ready at the end
Aug 12 02:24:01 <sugardave> well, it;s supposed to
Aug 12 02:24:10 <dawm|laptop> and hide it in setup
Aug 12 02:24:14 <dawm|laptop> and show it at the start of ready
Aug 12 02:24:17 <sugardave> show it in ready
Aug 12 02:24:22 <sugardave> and hide in setup?
Aug 12 02:24:23 <sugardave> okay
Aug 12 02:24:39 <dawm|laptop> it could be stupid like that
Aug 12 02:25:03 <haeffb> add scrim & spinner in setup() with spinning: false & scrim hidden
Aug 12 02:25:10 <haeffb> then turn them on and off as needed
Aug 12 02:25:16 <dawm|laptop> but since you're scrim'ing ready anyways, might as well show/hide at the beginning/end of ready
Aug 12 02:26:19 <haeffb> sugardave: when are you loading the data?
Aug 12 02:26:44 <dawm|laptop> see on my device (with the previous version) i see the scrim fade, but no spinner, then theres a pause for a second or two then the ui pops
Aug 12 02:27:03 * dawm|laptop opens it up in internalz ;p
Aug 12 02:27:15 <sugardave> haeffb: the file read happens before the main scene loads
Aug 12 02:27:26 <sugardave> then I have a big old object
Aug 12 02:27:41 <sugardave> and when preferences scene loads, I get my info from that object
Aug 12 02:28:29 <sugardave> so, I thought it would be good to do all that processing in setup
Aug 12 02:29:04 <dawm|laptop> dave does the spinner show at all?
Aug 12 02:29:36 <sugardave> when I moved the list processing to activate wiht my if check, the spinner showed briefly on the emu but not at all on the phone
Aug 12 02:29:39 <sugardave> kinda strange
Aug 12 02:29:46 <sugardave> now in ready, it shows in neither
Aug 12 02:30:03 <dawm|laptop> is 'large' a valid value for spinnerSize ?
Aug 12 02:30:29 <kesne> Anybody want to help me for a sec?
Aug 12 02:30:36 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: yep
Aug 12 02:30:53 <dawm|laptop> oh ok, ive always used the Mojo.Widget constants
Aug 12 02:31:42 <dawm|laptop> yeh theres no way im willing to attempt to move a code chunk around with internalz
Aug 12 02:31:51 <sugardave> haha
Aug 12 02:32:14 <dawm|laptop> selecting text is a major peeve
Aug 12 02:32:46 <dawm|laptop> tappy tappy on the list.... are you kidding me? :P
Aug 12 02:33:48 <sugardave> heh, I was feeling festive when I wrote that
Aug 12 02:34:07 <sugardave> look at "// this is horrible"
Aug 12 02:34:11 <dawm|laptop> also did you minify the json? (might get it a little smaller)
Aug 12 02:34:28 <sugardave> no, what do you mean?
Aug 12 02:34:42 <dawm|laptop> remove unneeded whitespace
Aug 12 02:34:45 <sugardave> oh
Aug 12 02:34:46 <sugardave> no
Aug 12 02:34:46 <dawm|laptop> basically 'compact'
Aug 12 02:35:03 <sugardave> I blame Mojo.View.render
Aug 12 02:35:21 <dawm|laptop> if you have your json pretty much set i'd shrink it, might even help loading it
Aug 12 02:36:01 <sugardave> it's pretty set....I probably need an external mechanism for managing it anyway
Aug 12 02:36:31 <sugardave> I wonder if I could just make an animated gif of the spinner and put it in the middle of the scrim :D
Aug 12 02:36:43 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 12 02:36:52 <dawm|laptop> do animated gifs even work?
Aug 12 02:36:57 <sugardave> Yule Log
Aug 12 02:39:02 <dawm|laptop> http://yui.2clics.net/
Aug 12 02:39:09 <sugardave> ah screw this...I will leave it in readyToActivate
Aug 12 02:39:27 <dawm|laptop> send me a new email, so i can peak and see if you missed something
Aug 12 02:39:38 <dawm|laptop> rather send me a zip.. i cant open ipks on this stupid mac
Aug 12 02:39:39 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 12 02:39:43 <sugardave> heh
Aug 12 02:39:58 <sugardave> of what, the same one I sent you earlier?
Aug 12 02:40:28 <dawm|laptop> whatever broken one youve just created
Aug 12 02:42:05 <haeffb> sugardave: class='palm-activity-indicator-large'
Aug 12 02:45:23 <sugardave> haeffb: this is one case I'm not changing anything from Palm's default
Aug 12 02:45:39 <haeffb> that is a palm default
Aug 12 02:45:49 <sugardave> right, but I don't need it
Aug 12 02:45:52 <sugardave> it's optional
Aug 12 02:46:07 <haeffb> Ok.
Aug 12 02:46:28 <sugardave> if I don't hide the scrim, after the list is loaded you can see the spinner
Aug 12 02:46:35 <sugardave> so I know it is working
Aug 12 02:46:46 <sugardave> it's just not getting a chance to display
Aug 12 02:47:08 * Anivrom is eating pure honeycomb
Aug 12 02:47:20 <sugardave> hey Anivrom you missed it...I was right
Aug 12 02:47:22 <sugardave> again
Aug 12 02:47:30 <Anivrom> who in the what now?
Aug 12 02:47:39 <Anivrom> impossible
Aug 12 02:47:43 <sugardave> nay
Aug 12 02:47:43 <halfhalo_pre> lies
Aug 12 02:47:43 <Anivrom> must be a clerical error
Aug 12 02:48:33 <halfhalo_pre> yup
Aug 12 02:48:50 <halfhalo_pre> stupid secretary filed it wrong
Aug 12 02:48:57 <haeffb> sugardave: if I add that to your code, I see Spinner
Aug 12 02:49:03 <Anivrom> sugardave: didnt really see what was new in the ipk you sent
Aug 12 02:49:14 <sugardave> haeffb: no way
Aug 12 02:49:20 <haeffb> just sayin'
Aug 12 02:49:28 <haeffb> add it in the html
Aug 12 02:49:41 <sugardave> okay, let's see...so you have all list processing occuring in setup with that one
Aug 12 02:49:43 <haeffb> it doesn't really get much spinnin' done
Aug 12 02:49:47 <kesne> How do I delete a record in a JS array?
Aug 12 02:50:05 <haeffb> array.splice()
Aug 12 02:50:05 <halfhalo_pre> set it to null
Aug 12 02:50:08 <Anivrom> ... splice(index, count)?
Aug 12 02:50:09 <haeffb> or array.slice()
Aug 12 02:50:40 <Anivrom> thought you would atleast know that one
Aug 12 02:50:40 <oil> kesne: http://tinyurl.com/2wk238n
Aug 12 02:50:45 <kesne> null keeps it there for me
Aug 12 02:50:51 <haeffb> http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_splice.asp
Aug 12 02:50:56 <Anivrom> splice(index, count);
Aug 12 02:51:00 <kesne> oil: not prototyoe
Aug 12 02:51:36 <sugardave> haha
Aug 12 02:51:49 <halfhalo_pre> hahahahahaha
Aug 12 02:51:58 <haeffb> today's count: sugardave 1 haeffb 1
Aug 12 02:51:58 <sugardave> haeffb: it shows on the phone, but it won't spin...I think it just adds the first graphic
Aug 12 02:52:02 <Anivrom> seen it before but still funny
Aug 12 02:52:16 <haeffb> true
Aug 12 02:52:27 <haeffb> sugardave 1  haeffb 1/2
Aug 12 02:52:51 <sugardave> heh
Aug 12 02:54:03 <sugardave> sooooo....I can do this with a no spinning spinner graphic, or I can use aboutToActivate and keep the scene from appearing until the list is loaded
Aug 12 02:54:53 <Anivrom> I love that callback.defer(); now
Aug 12 02:55:10 <haeffb> Anivrom: that's what I was looking for
Aug 12 02:55:24 <haeffb> or maybe not
Aug 12 02:55:32 <Anivrom> 	aboutToActivate: function(callback) {
Aug 12 02:55:32 <Anivrom> 		callback.defer();     //makes the setup behave like it should.
Aug 12 02:55:32 <Anivrom> 	},
Aug 12 02:55:45 <Anivrom> doesn't transition the scene until all contents are loaded
Aug 12 02:56:13 <sugardave> yeah, but then they're sitting there wondering why the damn scene won't load after the pressed a button
Aug 12 02:56:16 <haeffb> .debounce()
Aug 12 02:56:16 <Anivrom> just need to put a spinner otherwise they will keep pressing
Aug 12 02:56:17 <sugardave> in this app
Aug 12 02:56:20 <Anivrom> LOL
Aug 12 02:56:21 <haeffb> that's what I'm looking for
Aug 12 02:56:36 <sugardave> that means I have to put a spinner in more than the scene I want it to be in
Aug 12 02:56:49 <kesne> torchie: hey!
Aug 12 02:56:50 <Anivrom> Yea you have to hhave visual feedback before you initialize the push method cause once you do that it freezes the current scene
Aug 12 02:56:56 <haeffb> sugardave, I think .debounce() is the key to my save on every keypress issue...
Aug 12 02:57:06 <sugardave> instead of on spinner representing the list load, I have to hide pre-push and pre-pop from a different one
Aug 12 02:57:30 <sugardave> debounce...never heard of it
Aug 12 02:57:45 <haeffb> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1862&Itemid=251
Aug 12 02:57:51 <torchie> heyo
Aug 12 02:58:24 <Anivrom> do my eventlisteners persist even after the app is closed if I dont stop listening"?
Aug 12 02:58:32 <dawm|laptop> they can
Aug 12 02:58:35 <dawm|laptop> and usually do
Aug 12 02:58:38 <Anivrom> :O
Aug 12 02:58:44 * Anivrom has memory leaks
Aug 12 02:58:59 <dawm|laptop> you can use palm-worm (part of the SDK)
Aug 12 02:59:16 <dawm|laptop> it kinda helps
Aug 12 02:59:27 <sugardave> haeffb: that does sound promising
Aug 12 02:59:33 <Anivrom> can't stop eating this honeycomb :S
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