**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 20 02:59:56 2010 Aug 20 03:00:20 yea just now Aug 20 03:00:22 I'm moderate at it now, I think Aug 20 03:00:24 hehe Aug 20 03:00:53 i have learned alot, though, in setting up my little class wiki Aug 20 03:01:05 I have a system whereby I can class override a scroller as 100% height and it just works Aug 20 03:01:19 * Anivrom can't believe his code actually works. Aug 20 03:01:26 hehe Aug 20 03:01:28 us, too Aug 20 03:01:32 haha Aug 20 03:01:39 Anivrom: that's right, we've all been lying to you, secretly trying to make your code fail Aug 20 03:01:51 that's what I've been doing, anyway Aug 20 03:01:57 so, I'm outta here. laters. good to chat again BigBiff_ Aug 20 03:02:03 cya haeffb Aug 20 03:02:08 yes, we'll see ya haeffb Aug 20 03:02:08 goodnight Aug 20 03:02:08 * Anivrom can't believe he was able to take all the code you guys gave him and make it work inside his app. Aug 20 03:02:16 haha Aug 20 03:02:21 better? Aug 20 03:02:24 :D Aug 20 03:02:29 so, i need to get 'noted' Aug 20 03:02:42 BigBiff_: like college football? Aug 20 03:02:48 noted and done Aug 20 03:02:53 i've got done Aug 20 03:02:54 BigBiff_: like cute things? Aug 20 03:02:57 noted in app cat by early next week Aug 20 03:03:05 this is where everyone spams him with advertisements Aug 20 03:03:08 (knock on wood) Aug 20 03:03:28 BigBiff_: like midgets and dirty things? Aug 20 03:03:32 sugardave: i like nfl better than college Aug 20 03:03:32 >_> Aug 20 03:03:42 i dig midgets - who doesnt? Aug 20 03:03:58 I'm not a fan tbh Aug 20 03:04:02 I like short ppl Aug 20 03:04:03 of course, i have to go to high school football every friday Aug 20 03:04:07 not so much midgets :P Aug 20 03:04:10 so im kinda jaded Aug 20 03:04:33 friday night midgets? Aug 20 03:04:39 even better Aug 20 03:04:40 yay profile is just a few lines of code away Aug 20 03:04:58 dave, you gotta new app i need to try? Aug 20 03:05:05 I was hoping you were a rabid college follower of some school Aug 20 03:05:13 nah Aug 20 03:05:13 LOL Aug 20 03:05:14 yeah, it's iHaveSpirit...color flasher thing Aug 20 03:05:24 i'll check it out Aug 20 03:05:32 dont bother its garbage. Aug 20 03:05:35 it's in the beta feed Aug 20 03:05:36 Doesn't even make you breakfast Aug 20 03:05:42 it's pretty weak presenation wise at the moment Aug 20 03:05:47 i dont eat breakfast Aug 20 03:05:51 but I'm working on some secret things Aug 20 03:05:53 breakfast is for the weak Aug 20 03:05:55 oh then its perfect Aug 20 03:05:57 seeeekkkkritttt Aug 20 03:06:06 lies Aug 20 03:06:07 * Anivrom knows the secret things Aug 20 03:06:14 * halfhalo is stuuupid Aug 20 03:06:31 halfhalo! node question! Aug 20 03:06:34 * BigBiff_ is uncomfortable with secret knowledge Aug 20 03:06:41 kk Aug 20 03:07:27 im still waitin on dave's free beer boobs midgets app Aug 20 03:07:47 halfhalo: when you require another .js in a particular .js...it doesn't "inherit" the vars declared in the top .js, how do you pass references to the required scripts so I can use those vars? Aug 20 03:08:03 BigBiff_: I'm still waiting for Palm to firm up their "adult" apps section Aug 20 03:08:30 I've got some "ins" at Palm.. I'll see what I can do Aug 20 03:08:32 lol @ firm up Aug 20 03:08:43 BigBiff_: make it so :D Aug 20 03:08:48 * BigBiff_ knows people Aug 20 03:08:59 sugardave it depends. I need an example first. Aug 20 03:09:27 okay, will paste something in a minute Aug 20 03:09:44 ok so how the heck do I get the value of a textfield in string format.. Aug 20 03:09:45 ooh, i like pastes Aug 20 03:11:49 Got it Aug 20 03:11:58 thanks guys .mojo.getValue Aug 20 03:12:23 wow - I need to look at my webos code Aug 20 03:12:39 I've forgotten the little bit that I learned Aug 20 03:12:45 .mojo Aug 20 03:14:08 lol ok.. that didnt work. Aug 20 03:14:11 halfhalo: http://webos.pastebin.com/GSyf2bJH Aug 20 03:14:20 Just assigns the function to my object Aug 20 03:14:37 basically, I'm trying to set var couchdb in index, and use it 2 files later in ihs.js Aug 20 03:14:43 gimme a sec Aug 20 03:14:52 crimping cable Aug 20 03:15:00 np Aug 20 03:15:09 I have chocolate cake Aug 20 03:19:35 ok, fonr Aug 20 03:19:52 done Aug 20 03:19:57 hah Aug 20 03:21:06 Someone should have told me that you shouldn't strip the small wires in an ethernet cord Aug 20 03:21:38 ok, now, what did you want? Aug 20 03:21:42 BAH. this.controller.get("txtName").mojo.getValue returns the actual function object, this.controller.get("txtName").mojo.getValue() returns the result of the function. Gotta rememeber that Aug 20 03:22:51 halfhalo: okay, I wanted to be able to declare some vars with require in index.js, and then use them later in a required file (ihs.js) Aug 20 03:23:40 like I declare sys in index as require('sys'), but later I require test.js, which requires ihs.js when I hit the server and sys doesn't exist Aug 20 03:24:10 I would not do it like that Aug 20 03:24:12 At all Aug 20 03:24:15 okay Aug 20 03:24:38 I think I'm struggling with the whole "start from nothing" aspect Aug 20 03:26:05 The way I would do have a subclass inside ihs.js, and whenever the server was hit you would just go var blah= new ihs.subclass(); Aug 20 03:26:51 oh Aug 20 03:27:42 I think I understand...so in ihs.js declare something like var myClass = function() {return something;} and I can do var aClass = new ihs.myClass(); ? Aug 20 03:27:51 Yup! Aug 20 03:27:54 ah Aug 20 03:27:55 great Aug 20 03:27:56 thanks Aug 20 03:29:34 Yeah Aug 20 03:30:29 and once you do that, you can go myClass.blah to get to any vars set like this.blah inside the class Aug 20 03:30:54 ah, that is great Aug 20 03:31:00 * Anivrom prefers blah over foo/bar Aug 20 03:31:03 k, going to test some stuff Aug 20 03:31:29 yeah, and then you get to play with emmiters Aug 20 03:41:19 goodnight Aug 20 03:41:32 where's dekan to wish me goodnight? >.< Aug 20 03:41:59 oh well Aug 20 03:57:09 sugardave: have a slider and updates cookie, but new cookie value only works, on closing and reopening app, how would I have new slider value take immediate effect in same scene? Aug 20 03:58:18 umm Aug 20 03:58:48 LoneStar99, not sure about your question because it seems like its a simple answer. So I doubt its the right one. Aug 20 03:59:01 But you would just get the value of the slider and apply it to whatever you want it to Aug 20 03:59:34 take immediate effect on what? Aug 20 04:00:23 slider is in one function and need to have value sent to another function Aug 20 04:00:34 LoneStar99: check out the onchange event listener Aug 20 04:00:52 just call the new function within that listener function and pass the arg of the slider value Aug 20 04:01:27 changeStuff: function(value) {do stuff with value} Aug 20 04:02:03 in slider onchange function, this.changeStuff(sliderValue) Aug 20 04:02:35 wait till you try to put 2 sliders in the same scene xD Aug 20 04:02:35 Anivrom: ok, yeah migh be something wrong with my code logic Aug 20 04:02:43 (unless they fixed that bug that is) Aug 20 04:02:52 oil: what used to happen? Aug 20 04:02:54 oil: I have 2 in one scene, works fine Aug 20 04:03:06 all sliders on the scene would have the same min/max Aug 20 04:03:15 lol thats an ouch Aug 20 04:03:23 so you would have to go 0-100 for all and convert the values afterwards Aug 20 04:03:42 LoneStar99: I use this.preferences in my constructor and keep track of all my prefs that way, then in propertyChange for the slider, I update this.preferences and then bake my cookie Aug 20 04:04:49 oil: hmmm...I will have to check now, but I think it's working or my marquee speeder would be way too slow Aug 20 04:05:26 though i haven't tried to put two sliders in the same scene since like 130 or maybe before Aug 20 04:05:45 Anyways, I'm off to bed now, because I have to drive up north for vacation/1yr anniversary honeymoon tomorrow night. YAY SO EXCITED Aug 20 04:05:48 :D Aug 20 04:05:54 oh hai kal Aug 20 04:05:54 night Aug 20 04:05:57 have fun Aug 20 04:05:58 Hey look Aug 20 04:06:07 gonna be greats n stuf rite Aug 20 04:06:12 yup Aug 20 04:06:42 Before I go I'm gonna recompile latest version of game and send it to "the list" since I wont be working on it "much" while I'm gone Aug 20 04:07:08 list? Aug 20 04:07:42 no, "the list" Aug 20 04:08:32 only specials on "the list" Aug 20 04:09:16 * oil is not special Aug 20 04:09:27 * oil rode the normal sized bus to work Aug 20 04:09:30 er Aug 20 04:09:30 school Aug 20 04:09:31 shit Aug 20 04:09:33 well duh, if you were you'd be on "the list" Aug 20 04:09:37 haha Aug 20 04:09:40 lol Aug 20 04:09:43 Dont you ride your "house" to work? Aug 20 04:09:49 we had this discussion Aug 20 04:09:54 lol Aug 20 04:13:49 sooo much nicer with no bot Aug 20 04:14:18 it is Aug 20 04:16:55 Robdor: pingalingalingalingadingaling Aug 20 04:17:14 i still say a bot tied into the app feeds would be cool Aug 20 04:18:20 anyone know robdors email? Aug 20 04:18:29 something about trackera Aug 20 04:19:08 ohey… theres a ruby irc class… hmmm Aug 20 04:19:54 Anivrom: Pongalonalongalong Aug 20 04:19:58 w00t Aug 20 04:20:07 gimme that email so I can add you to "the list" Aug 20 04:21:47 I hope it isn't a list of people to kill... Aug 20 04:22:00 depending on ruby's xml stuff… I may or may not play around with it tonight Aug 20 04:22:23 well its one of those "i'd tell ya but I'd have to kill ya" list.. and unfortunately you asked to be told Aug 20 04:23:56 I just pm'ed it to you Aug 20 04:24:02 I got it Aug 20 04:24:09 I'm just making a change before I compile Aug 20 04:24:40 Ok works. Aug 20 04:27:11 Robdor: any insight into ortho projections? my drawing is not displaying as I would suspect. If I change the ortho projection it changes the way it displays Aug 20 05:05:39 alexfner: Sorry I wasn't paying attention. What is happening with the display? Aug 20 05:06:39 Robdor: the object get's smaller or large depending on how I set the ortho matrix Aug 20 05:06:42 which is odd Aug 20 05:06:46 I must have done something wrong Aug 20 05:07:36 and I would change coordinates, and the object would not move Aug 20 05:07:41 What does your setup look like? Aug 20 05:07:47 so if I changed the vertex of a coord, it would not move Aug 20 05:07:58 coord of a vertex* Aug 20 05:08:37 http://pastebin.org/616456 Aug 20 05:10:21 oh man I just did something completely effed up Aug 20 05:10:51 fixed... Aug 20 05:11:06 Changing the ortho values from 1.0 to the size of the screen? Aug 20 05:12:05 This is how I have my screen set up: http://webos101.com/OpenGL_ES_1.1_rotate_to_landscape_mode Aug 20 05:14:06 is there anyway of having the slider position appear at a certain position (not left) on widget setup? Aug 20 05:15:34 this shouldn't be as hard as I am making it Aug 20 05:16:56 LoneStar99: Set the value in the model? Aug 20 05:21:28 robdor, up to take a look and tell me if you see anything wrong? Aug 20 05:23:34 alexfner: Sure Aug 20 05:23:40 Robdor: I had it drawing objects a moment ago, changed the ortho matrix to pixels instead of f, and now nothing... Aug 20 05:24:00 D'oh Aug 20 05:26:00 Robdor: http://pastebin.org/616479 Aug 20 05:28:45 Roy-Pre101: that does not seem to work, stays at left most point Aug 20 05:28:58 I know this has come up before. Aug 20 05:29:18 I don't recall the solution. But when you figure it out you can add it to webOS101.com :D Aug 20 05:29:38 Roy-Pre101: lol, i will Aug 20 05:30:41 alexfner: Now that you are using pixels in your ortho settings try setting your texture verts to be 0.0 and 1.0 instead of pixel sizes. Aug 20 05:30:56 alexfner: You could also try drawing the primitive without texturing it to see if it shows up. Aug 20 05:31:32 shit Aug 20 05:31:47 this is a nice post, even if it doesn't have all the answers: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3202&view=next :) Aug 20 05:31:51 I assumed that both the texture verts and the ortho would be in pixels Aug 20 05:32:07 did you set the modelProperty LoneStar99? Aug 20 05:32:23 ah no dice anyways Aug 20 05:32:46 Roy-Pre101: let me check Aug 20 05:33:19 Is it a progress slider? Aug 20 05:33:42 Hey Aug 20 05:33:47 Check this out: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1712&Itemid=44 Aug 20 05:34:15 the progress is from 0 to 1 Aug 20 05:34:27 Roy-Pre101! Aug 20 05:34:45 Roy-Pre101: no just a generic slider Aug 20 05:35:42 LoneStar99! Aug 20 05:36:00 alexfner: If you turn of texture mapping does your geometry get drawn to the screen? Aug 20 05:36:10 Anivrom|zzzZZZzz: Ping Aug 20 05:36:13 Anivrom|zzzZZZzz: You there? Aug 20 05:36:17 Anivrom|zzzZZZzz: Buddy? Aug 20 05:36:19 LoneStar99: Probably a bug Aug 20 05:36:33 pie Aug 20 05:36:35 hello kesne Aug 20 05:36:38 ;) Aug 20 05:36:47 Hello Kesne Aug 20 05:37:01 What's up CTLAdvance/ Aug 20 05:37:02 ? Aug 20 05:37:16 not much and you? Aug 20 05:37:31 Just tired Aug 20 05:38:09 Robdor: ...no! Aug 20 05:38:14 kesne: sniff some glue to wake up Aug 20 05:38:15 where oh where has my geometry gone! Aug 20 05:38:22 Oh where oh where could it be? Aug 20 05:38:33 :) Aug 20 05:38:43 it disappeared from the poppers you took, oh where oh where could it be Aug 20 05:38:55 Roy-Pre101: yeah, i guess so, had tried with another app, and got no where Aug 20 05:38:57 I would also try switching the 0, 480 to 480, 0 in you glorthof call. Aug 20 05:38:58 whoa found it Aug 20 05:39:01 some of it Aug 20 05:39:03 I found some of it Aug 20 05:39:14 this makes no sense Aug 20 05:39:17 lakjsdalskd! Aug 20 05:40:28 LoneStar99: you should just be able to set the model value and call modelChanged, I have 2 sliders in my app Aug 20 05:40:35 they work just fine Aug 20 05:41:14 alexfner: Are you placing (0,0) at the bottom left of your screen or the top left? Aug 20 05:41:46 bottom left Aug 20 05:42:05 I have found geometry, just can't texture it Aug 20 05:42:35 Where was the geometry? Aug 20 05:42:44 Robdor: that set of excellent tuts : http://www.zeuscmd.com/tutorials/opengles/ Aug 20 05:43:49 bottom left, where it was supposed to be Aug 20 05:44:05 sugardave: is the following correct: "this.sleepModel = { value: BasCookie.cookies.someCookie.dough.zzz, disabled: false }" Aug 20 05:45:04 By default SDL and the OpenGL surface want to be at the top left. I didn't know if the ordering of the values in glorthof may have been causing some problems. Aug 20 05:45:28 now the problem is texturing, I figured out coordinate Aug 20 05:45:30 haha Aug 20 05:45:35 it's quite odd Aug 20 05:46:14 Is everyone coming to the hackathon on Saturday? Aug 20 05:46:23 Roy-Pre101: where is it again? Aug 20 05:46:31 LoneStar99: as long as zzz contains a value between minValue and maxValue defined in the attributes Aug 20 05:46:54 Roy-Pre101: I may be able to participate after all Aug 20 05:47:02 Robdor: are there particles in chipmunk? Aug 20 05:47:07 do you know Aug 20 05:47:25 poll: ads in checkers. yes, no? Aug 20 05:48:14 alexfner: You could make particles using small bodies. I don't think it would be very efficient though. Aug 20 05:48:41 yeah, I want something simple, without the rotation though Aug 20 05:49:24 sugardave: yeah it is, works, but the position stays at far left =( Aug 20 05:50:05 LoneStar99: so I assume you set that model value before you set up the widget? Aug 20 05:50:12 and it still is wrong? Aug 20 05:50:39 kesne: techno in checkers, please. Nothing like taking some special k, and playing checkers on the palm pre Aug 20 05:50:47 sugardave: oops might have overlooked that Aug 20 05:50:48 (sarcasm) Aug 20 05:51:10 alexfner: I'm confused Aug 20 05:51:43 oh, special k is a drug I was reading about on the La Times. It's a drug that wealthy people take to the club with them Aug 20 05:51:52 now do you see? Aug 20 05:52:01 now do you see what I have done? Aug 20 05:52:11 No Aug 20 05:52:12 I thought special k was a fiber bar or something like that. Aug 20 05:52:20 isn't it a cereal? Aug 20 05:52:30 it is that too Aug 20 05:52:40 I thought it was funny that the drug was named after cereal Aug 20 05:55:53 We're Sendin' Out Aug 20 05:55:58 ' Aug 20 05:55:58 A Major Love Aug 20 05:56:04 And This Is Our Aug 20 05:56:08 Message To You Aug 20 05:56:13 Once again… failing at regex Aug 20 05:56:42 oh? Aug 20 05:56:56 Simple thing as well… again Aug 20 05:57:25 I'm leaving Aug 20 05:57:28 goodnyte Aug 20 05:57:30 working on a node Package feed reader, and lost the regex I was using before Aug 20 05:57:59 Obligatory regex quote: Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems. Aug 20 05:58:30 Robdor: glTexImage2D with SOIL, required? Aug 20 05:58:43 Now I need to puzzle out the regex to split a string by : . BUT if there are more than one :, I only need it split once Aug 20 05:58:50 disregard that Aug 20 05:59:02 It's not Aug 20 05:59:35 oil, halp! Aug 20 05:59:56 so test:test:test and test::test::test would net the same result? Aug 20 06:00:05 yup Aug 20 06:00:10 wait Aug 20 06:00:11 no Aug 20 06:00:21 sugardave: this what i have: http://pastebin.com/KAaBxxMV Aug 20 06:00:44 I mean so test:test and test:test:test would result in test,test and test, test:test Aug 20 06:01:18 ([^:]*):(.*) Aug 20 06:01:29 ... Aug 20 06:01:38 adium replaced it with smilies.... Aug 20 06:01:41 oh Aug 20 06:01:42 uh Aug 20 06:01:47 ill pastebin it Aug 20 06:01:51 kk Aug 20 06:01:55 thanx Aug 20 06:02:01 Because I epicly suck at reges Aug 20 06:02:03 regex Aug 20 06:02:19 * oil is by no means expert, but knows his way around Aug 20 06:02:59 I can usually puzzle through it, but it takes me a loooong time Aug 20 06:03:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/Lx9eWJLM Aug 20 06:03:25 shweet Aug 20 06:03:28 It works! Aug 20 06:03:31 its everything up to :, then then a :, then everything else :) Aug 20 06:03:39 yup! Aug 20 06:04:11 I now have a node.js script that will read a Packages file and spit out json of the packages Aug 20 06:04:19 lol Aug 20 06:04:44 Goodnight everybody Aug 20 06:06:27 well, thats a lie Aug 20 06:06:46 once I strip a single character I will Aug 20 06:06:55 LoneStar99: you're not using this.attributes anywhere else are you? Aug 20 06:07:34 sugardave: let me make sure Aug 20 06:10:06 sugardave: nope not used anywhere else Aug 20 06:10:25 LoneStar99: well, not sure what to say Aug 20 06:10:40 I can tell you what I do Aug 20 06:11:14 yeah weird, works, but does not save state, always at 0 Aug 20 06:12:47 for every widget, I make an object like this: this.flasherSpeedSlider = {'id': 'elementIdString', 'attributes': {// widget attrs}, 'model': {// widget model}}; and then I can always be sure I'm using the right thing in all my widget-related stuff like setup Aug 20 06:13:21 wouldn't that add to the memory usage? causing more GCs? Aug 20 06:13:48 LoneStar99: did you verify that the cookie stuff is loading properly and that you actually have a value? Aug 20 06:14:13 alexfner: I guess? I'm not needing to optimize that much yet, I think Aug 20 06:14:23 oh Aug 20 06:14:44 This is a veeery long list.... Aug 20 06:14:46 it's one object? Aug 20 06:14:55 I just became conscious, read your comment, replied, and will now go unconscious until I feel the need to interject again Aug 20 06:16:00 alexfner: I really don't know...is there a major difference between an object like mine and passing an 'anonymous' object as attributes or model? Aug 20 06:16:27 wtf… i blame oil for the Packages files in the feeds being empty Aug 20 06:17:33 well I know that yours would keep it in memory, and wouldn't you be able to access it from mojo anyways(this.controller.modelname?)? so wouldn't that put it in memory twice? Aug 20 06:18:44 it would be in memory, true...but not sure about the latter part, I'd just be accessing the same spot Aug 20 06:19:49 in Ares you can access models from a modelname this.$.controller.modelname Aug 20 06:19:59 so I assume the same is true for vanilla mojo Aug 20 06:20:26 but how do you know what modelname is if you pass {...} as the model? Aug 20 06:20:34 or is it literal modelname? Aug 20 06:21:43 morning Aug 20 06:22:00 when you create it I you can set the modelname attribute? Aug 20 06:22:04 good morning Aug 20 06:22:38 weeeeee Aug 20 06:22:52 wheeeeee* Aug 20 06:23:16 dekan: weeeeee wheeeeee Aug 20 06:23:20 damn! Aug 20 06:23:23 alexfner: that sounds the same as doing this.thing = {'model': {//model attrs}} and getting at it that way Aug 20 06:23:25 yeah, webOS tablet in Q1 2011 Aug 20 06:23:27 dekan is DEAD Aug 20 06:23:46 sugardave: yeah but you're putting it in memory twice Aug 20 06:24:05 sugardave: err... at least a pointer to the original, why not just access the original? Aug 20 06:24:18 it is, because it's what I pass to setup widget Aug 20 06:24:38 I don't understand Aug 20 06:24:46 alexfner: do you use Ares? Aug 20 06:24:57 some times Aug 20 06:25:04 some times just vanilla mojo Aug 20 06:25:14 okay, so you know about setupWidget Aug 20 06:25:34 hmm, no? Aug 20 06:25:37 give me a moment Aug 20 06:25:38 when I set it up, I pass my object's model property as the model (i.e. it's the original) Aug 20 06:25:41 oh Aug 20 06:25:43 yeah Aug 20 06:25:50 you have to manually set up widgets in straight mojo Aug 20 06:26:57 but you place a reference to the model in your assisstants prototype? Aug 20 06:27:00 … I forgot how to do js classes there for a minute Aug 20 06:28:09 alexfner: basically, because I use this. to do it...I could just make it a var but I also figure I leverage the 'id' property of my object to cut down on typing out my (probably too long) element ids Aug 20 06:29:01 yeah, but there is already a reference in controller to the model name Aug 20 06:29:02 I think that Ares is basically doing the same thing when it auto-creates Aug 20 06:29:11 how? Aug 20 06:29:19 this.$.controller.modelname Aug 20 06:29:27 but how did modelname get set? Aug 20 06:29:36 and what is it if I have 13 widgets? Aug 20 06:29:37 when you setup the widget? Aug 20 06:29:57 haha ... "Intel didn't buy McAfee to be in the anti-virus business." Aug 20 06:30:04 setupWidget takes an id and attrs object and a model object, there's no name at all Aug 20 06:31:08 give me a moment Aug 20 06:31:17 I think you set it in the attributes Aug 20 06:31:22 but I am going to check how ares does it Aug 20 06:32:17 you'll find a lot of samples that use a this.model = {...} system Aug 20 06:33:46 so it may be done in Ares Aug 20 06:33:51 but you could try setting modelName Aug 20 06:33:55 in the attributes Aug 20 06:33:58 and try to access it that way Aug 20 06:34:34 if you do, I'd be curious to know if it works Aug 20 06:34:43 I'm, looking at the slider page right now and there's no modelName property Aug 20 06:34:43 modelName = "boing"; Aug 20 06:34:55 this.controller.boing. Aug 20 06:35:08 don't trust the documentation, it lies to you! Aug 20 06:35:13 sugardave: still can't figure it out, can u pastebin, your working slider code on pastebin? Aug 20 06:35:30 alexfner: and that is going to store the same thing I would be storing if I did this.boing.model Aug 20 06:35:46 but it's in the controller! It's better! Aug 20 06:35:59 I mean, they may be sitting in memory and just need a name Aug 20 06:36:07 so it might just eliminate one pointer Aug 20 06:36:13 :D Aug 20 06:36:31 mine is in the controller Aug 20 06:36:38 this Aug 20 06:36:49 this != controller Aug 20 06:36:53 it's all about context Aug 20 06:37:05 alright, I've had enough being a prick Aug 20 06:37:13 sugardave, you are right :D Aug 20 06:37:25 this = controller when I use it in the right place :P Aug 20 06:37:38 this = this.controller; Aug 20 06:37:41 bam Aug 20 06:38:05 LoneStar99: your code should work, mine is no different except I use what I've just been debating with alexfner Aug 20 06:38:11 so make an object like this Aug 20 06:38:15 in setup Aug 20 06:38:45 this.mySlide = {'attributes': {// the attributes}, 'model': {// the model}}; Aug 20 06:38:50 mySlider Aug 20 06:39:09 and then when you set it up, use this.mySlider.attributes and this.mySlider.model Aug 20 06:39:24 that's the only difference between what you pasted and what I do Aug 20 06:39:37 this.setupWidth(this.mySlider) ? Aug 20 06:39:43 ignore that Aug 20 06:39:52 this.setupWidget(this.mySlider) ? Aug 20 06:39:54 ok, sugardave, when u load your app, the previous position is loaded on your slider? Aug 20 06:39:59 SEGMENTATION FAULT! Aug 20 06:40:15 this.controller.setupWidget(id, this.mySlider.attributes, this.mySlider.model); Aug 20 06:40:21 yes Aug 20 06:40:26 ok Aug 20 06:40:39 I have to do some interesting things because I want my slider to be minimum on the left Aug 20 06:40:46 er right Aug 20 06:40:47 sorry Aug 20 06:40:52 oh ok Aug 20 06:44:46 SOOO MUCH CODE! Aug 20 06:44:54 LoneStar99: did you try just hardcoding a value like 175 and seeing if it loaded right? Aug 20 06:48:05 let me try that Aug 20 06:49:06 sugardave: yeah same =( Aug 20 06:49:19 then that means you have a different problem Aug 20 06:52:15 yeah kind puzzling Aug 20 06:52:19 kinda Aug 20 06:54:57 bawaha Aug 20 06:55:02 my friend just made a site Aug 20 06:55:15 as a joke, but you probably won't get it Aug 20 06:55:17 http://www.mandalee.com/ Aug 20 06:59:30 alexfner: nice Aug 20 06:59:57 haha isn't it great? Aug 20 07:00:19 alexfner: this is my website http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ Aug 20 07:00:29 yeah we have, weird senses of humor... Aug 20 07:00:49 hahaha Aug 20 07:00:52 financial reports Aug 20 07:01:12 dude, LoneStar99 this is great Aug 20 07:01:12 gotta love them old skool sites Aug 20 07:01:31 lol Aug 20 07:07:06 oh, i wish that i'd saved my first geocities homepage Aug 20 07:08:10 yeah Aug 20 07:08:43 swisstomcat: you have any sliders in your apps? Aug 20 07:08:56 yeah, in one Aug 20 07:09:49 can you pastebin your code, i have one , which works, but does always reopens at 0 Aug 20 07:09:57 can't figure it out Aug 20 07:10:07 yay, we're on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/ThinMachine/119260241458012 Aug 20 07:10:18 which part of the code? Aug 20 07:10:40 just the slider widget and listener Aug 20 07:11:46 very weird issue, a cookie with value 100, is set, and slider still opens at 0 position, which looks bad Aug 20 07:13:12 KillinItLLC   Someone is playing #CloudHopper on a new resolution! @webosroundup @precentral @engadget #webos20#roadrunnerHD http://twitpic.com/2gd0dd Aug 20 07:15:11 swisstomcat: interesting Aug 20 07:19:05 I wonder if it's just bullocks Aug 20 07:19:43 not sure Aug 20 07:20:52 could be a test tablet Aug 20 07:22:08 wow sharpie pencil, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20014147-56.html?tag=mncol Aug 20 07:22:16 a tablet would probably have 960x1440 or so Aug 20 07:23:18 anything seen in metrix logs after the very first sighting is likely to be bollocks Aug 20 07:24:41 chill man, it's acidjazz Aug 20 07:25:07 wowser Aug 20 07:25:33 supsup Aug 20 07:25:43 gotta write facebook share stuff for my app tomorrow Aug 20 07:25:48 do some more design tweaks Aug 20 07:25:50 then its rd Aug 20 07:25:54 how long does it take to get approved? Aug 20 07:27:29 2-3 days usually Aug 20 07:27:32 can take longer Aug 20 07:30:15 not bad at all Aug 20 07:33:14 never submit on fridays :) Aug 20 07:52:13 swisstomcat: how often u come 2 da states? Aug 20 07:52:29 from time to time Aug 20 07:52:53 last time was april, next time probably spring 2011 Aug 20 07:53:18 * halfhalo cries due to mongo Aug 20 07:54:33 This is almost done… I just need to get the DB working… it will be awesome Aug 20 07:54:54 * swisstomcat doesn't like the name mongodb Aug 20 07:55:12 making an irc bot that talks to the palm app feeds. Aug 20 07:55:23 halfhalo: nice Aug 20 07:55:31 The actual IRC part of the bot is done, just getting the db search setup Aug 20 07:56:46 mongo here is something like a dweeb/retard Aug 20 07:57:08 The bot don't do anything cept respond to about 10 commands Aug 20 07:57:09 swisstomcat: mnogosearch is a russian search engine Aug 20 07:58:06 basically, you just go for the basic search, which searches app title, package name, and developer name and spits out the results Aug 20 07:58:33 that is is really cool Aug 20 07:59:11 ANYWAYS, bed time nao Aug 20 07:59:14 very cool Aug 20 07:59:17 night halfhalo Aug 20 07:59:19 laters half Aug 20 07:59:29 i did something similar (irc bot) during my time at ibm Aug 20 07:59:44 it searched the software-fix database Aug 20 08:00:06 same, here - with the original bobchatter, it would search yahoo answers Aug 20 08:02:53 gonna fly to houston in da morning and flay back in the early evening, pain in da ass Aug 20 08:03:33 fly? aren't you in texas? Aug 20 08:06:10 yeah, but driving is 6hours away Aug 20 08:08:18 just counting days to get back to san diego Aug 20 08:10:39 i just remembered how big texas is Aug 20 08:10:52 here i can drive border-to-border in 3 hours max Aug 20 08:11:58 nice Aug 20 08:12:21 moving back to sd? Aug 20 08:12:42 yeah Aug 20 08:12:51 it's a nice place Aug 20 08:13:13 swisstomcat: still have nothing planned, but a flight and that is all Aug 20 08:14:08 will just arrive back at san diego and figure it out there Aug 20 08:15:35 it seems i have another error with an event.listener, so maybe that is causing problems with the slider, as sugardave stated Aug 20 08:15:51 oh, wasn't i supposed to post some code? Aug 20 08:16:20 that would be cool Aug 20 08:16:42 but tommorrow night will hunt for the bug Aug 20 08:17:09 this.controller.setupWidget("areaSlider", this.areaSliderAttributes, this.areaSliderModel); Aug 20 08:17:09 this.fromSliderAttributes = { minValue: 0, maxValue: 12, round:true } Aug 20 08:17:09 this.fromSliderModel = { value: 0, disabled: false } Aug 20 08:17:35 this is the setup Aug 20 08:17:49 and is in setup? Aug 20 08:18:11 yeah Aug 20 08:18:16 what about the listener? Aug 20 08:18:39 this.handleRoomSlider=this.handleRoomSlider.bindAsEventListener(this); Aug 20 08:18:40 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("roomSlider"), Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handleRoomSlider) Aug 20 08:19:50 where do you have the listener? in setup() ? Aug 20 08:20:00 in activate Aug 20 08:20:35 oh ok , that might be my problem... but will work on it tommorrow, time 2 chill Aug 20 08:20:42 thanks Aug 20 08:21:07 i usually but listeners in activate and stop listening in deactivate Aug 20 08:21:13 good night Aug 20 08:21:43 not going 2 sleep, just not coding Aug 20 08:21:50 oh Aug 20 08:21:55 good chilling then Aug 20 08:23:46 yeah Aug 20 08:26:11 are u near the H.Collider? Aug 20 08:36:57 hmm? Aug 20 08:41:01 the hadron collider Aug 20 08:45:35 not really, that's in geneva Aug 20 08:45:39 i'm near zurich Aug 20 08:45:42 3 hour drive Aug 20 08:46:34 oh ok Aug 20 08:51:50 are u coding swisstomcat Aug 20 08:52:06 not at the moment, catching up in the forums Aug 20 08:52:14 after that, back to coding Aug 20 08:52:54 i really use the forums... Aug 20 08:53:43 rarely? Aug 20 08:55:27 good morning Aug 20 08:55:30 oh yeah rarely Aug 20 08:55:38 there's good stuff in the forum Aug 20 08:55:45 morning warpdesign Aug 20 08:56:24 yeah there is , but like quicker answers Aug 20 09:34:37 alright will chat later, time to go sing at the grocery store Aug 20 09:34:52 heh Aug 20 09:34:54 cu Aug 20 09:35:09 yeah laters Aug 20 13:25:51 morning all Aug 20 13:26:02 hopefully my internet here at work doesn't suck as much today Aug 20 13:30:43 morning Aug 20 13:30:50 moin Aug 20 13:48:35 how much cpu does LunaSysMgr -s take on your pres? Aug 20 13:49:19 opening up top, it continously gives me 15% to 30% cpu Aug 20 13:50:13 and with Govnah set to a kernel that should clock down to 125Mhz ondemand, it keeps clocking 500Mhz to 600Mhz now Aug 20 14:03:45 already not liking allstate insurance Aug 20 14:04:19 was supposed to cancel progressive yesterday but ive yet to recieve insurance cards.. they said i can print my own out and i should have some from corp in a week.. Aug 20 14:04:21 wtf is that crap Aug 20 14:05:09 thanks allstate.. make me waste my ink Aug 20 14:05:43 just call allstate and have them e-mail or fax them to you Aug 20 14:05:52 again.. wasting my ink Aug 20 14:06:13 progressive spams you with insurance cards Aug 20 14:06:25 ive got so many its not funny ;p Aug 20 14:13:49 dawm__: don't worry 'bout it...you've got coverage Aug 20 14:18:35 so much for being in good hands.. Aug 20 14:19:05 i got a packet the other day that i was hoping was my welcome package with policy info and cards but no it was just a folder full of allstate spam Aug 20 14:22:25 Heh Aug 20 14:22:57 "Similar experience with statefarm I had" Aug 20 14:23:22 oh i had statefarm for like 2 weeks.. then no more Aug 20 14:23:34 kept demanding more money from me just to get the policy rolling Aug 20 14:23:54 i think i paid out almost 800 in the first 2 weeks and that wasnt even for a paid in full discount or anything Aug 20 14:24:22 only reason im with allstate is cause my new homeowners insurance is thru them since progressive wasnt able to quote me for the house Aug 20 14:25:14 but progressive wasnt that great aside from id card spam and a nice website Aug 20 14:25:51 had hail damage on my previous car, tried to make a claim and the rep that came out specifically told me NOT to goto a body shop, and that i should just goto a 'Dent Dr.' type company and it would be under my deductible Aug 20 14:26:30 i did take it to a body shop and they quoted $6k and progressive wouldnt do anything Aug 20 14:28:36 whoa, just realized its been over a year since ive been a dev Aug 20 14:28:47 Joined On: 2009-08-01 03:23:09 Aug 20 14:32:16 Preware sucks the life out of my phone when I have all feeds turned on. Performance turns to mud and no memory left Aug 20 14:32:51 use uberkernel :) Aug 20 14:33:07 swisstomcat: which doesn't want to clock down -_- Aug 20 14:33:15 We've had this discussion before :) Aug 20 14:34:47 Wife is clothes shopping with my sister (bad combo already) and she says to me, don't worry I won't spend more than $100. I was like O_O Aug 20 14:35:04 hehe Aug 20 14:35:17 oil: wirc won't reopen after I close it until I reboot Aug 20 14:35:35 haeffb_pre: Ivebeen stating hat glitch for a bit now Aug 20 14:36:19 Prett annoying Aug 20 14:36:25 well, now it's important since it affects ME! Aug 20 14:36:53 maybe i'm just never supposed to close wirc Aug 20 14:36:55 Stupid key philtre can't keep up with me Aug 20 14:45:41 wow Aug 20 14:45:47 World of Goo uses SDL apparently Aug 20 14:48:51 halfhalo: i know Aug 20 14:48:59 my main pre does it sometimes Aug 20 14:49:32 wohoo Aug 20 14:49:43 world of goo for the webos tablet Aug 20 14:51:28 oh look what i found, its the slides from the pdk dev day spot Aug 20 14:51:29 http://www.slideshare.net/ardiri/game-development-using-sdl-and-the-pdk Aug 20 14:57:59 Paid Apps in "unofficial" countries .. interesting discussion http://bit.ly/cKiB6O Aug 20 15:02:37 good point Aug 20 15:02:40 about the tablet Aug 20 15:03:44 unless it will be sold through carriers too... that hasn't been excluded Aug 20 15:04:15 what about printers? Aug 20 15:04:24 i really wish canon didnt put the power switch right on top of my printer.. stupid cat keeps turning it on Aug 20 15:04:29 printers are longer-term, I think... Aug 20 15:04:46 also, printers will likely use a different store, no? Aug 20 15:05:00 but the same infrastructure Aug 20 15:05:44 i just don't see why you can only buy apps in a country where a carrier sells the device .. or is this just the normal/old school way? Aug 20 15:05:48 if it is a different shop, then the problem could be tackled there... by the time that these printers are sold... Aug 20 15:06:06 but tablets won't be only sold through carriers .. i assume Aug 20 15:06:09 I guess it is the normal way... keep in mind that selling apps is a rather new thing Aug 20 15:06:14 fwiw, I can't buy them either and it is shit Aug 20 15:06:25 yeah, i guess i'm too forward with my thinking Aug 20 15:06:44 but you can buy an unlocked o2 gsm pre and use it, right? Aug 20 15:06:49 for starters, it'll take 6 months before we have the tablets... and from there on I still don't know what HP's distribution model will be Aug 20 15:06:59 It's not like Palm had a great model, so I don't know what they're thinking right now Aug 20 15:07:13 I can buy an unlocked O2 gsm and use it, yes Aug 20 15:07:26 I'm doing so right now, but maybe there are 5 people in belgium that have done this Aug 20 15:07:27 why shouldn't you be able to buy apps? Aug 20 15:07:48 it's not something that's tied to a carrier Aug 20 15:07:56 maybe more to local laws/taxes and stuff Aug 20 15:07:58 I think it will be there in the future, but it's going to take 6 months or more Aug 20 15:08:02 but nothing with a carrier Aug 20 15:08:16 local laws and taxes are certainly a point, but there's more to it than that Aug 20 15:08:38 like? Aug 20 15:08:44 each company has to carefully think where it will place its programmer resources. We aren't really valuable to them Aug 20 15:09:07 your best bet would be the creation of another store, under the same conditions as Palm's store, but payment through paypal... Aug 20 15:09:11 but they're selling the apps? Aug 20 15:09:20 you can sell those apps too, I think Aug 20 15:09:45 is there something saying that only Palm may sell them? (in case the author grants you the right to distribute the apps too) Aug 20 15:09:45 if 5 people in belgium are buying apps, why should palm care? Aug 20 15:09:54 yeah, only palm can sell them .. afaik Aug 20 15:11:21 that's the point... there aren't enough phones without a carrier Aug 20 15:11:31 which is normal, look at the mess you have to go through to get one Aug 20 15:11:40 no, the dev can sel his own apps Aug 20 15:11:41 you need to be interested in smartphones Aug 20 15:11:51 be persistent to finally see it available Aug 20 15:11:54 am i the only person that thinks tablets are not useful unless your profession calls for it (like a doctor or inspector) ? Aug 20 15:12:00 wait for an unlocked version Aug 20 15:12:11 or there could b a third-party app catalog Aug 20 15:12:14 guess everything will go right with getting it to work on your carrier Aug 20 15:12:24 accept a keyboard layout that's not to your countries preference... Aug 20 15:12:38 haeffb_pre: that is the solution afaict so far... Aug 20 15:12:53 haeffb_pre: are you sure? I haven't read the terms in a long time, but I thought only Palm was able to sell apps Aug 20 15:13:07 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg, why won't my pre clock below 500Mhz?! Aug 20 15:13:18 that was the whole point of web distro Aug 20 15:13:24 hmm... i guess so Aug 20 15:13:24 this is driving me mad Aug 20 15:13:36 & how could they stop you from selling apps? Aug 20 15:13:39 madnificent: are you sure it's not clocking below? maybe it only clocks below 500 when it's a sleep, so you never see it Aug 20 15:13:49 asleep* Aug 20 15:13:56 maik: give a child a laptop and they're like .. uuhhh .. give a child a tablet (e.g ipad) and see what happens Aug 20 15:14:07 swisstomcat: ok, and children too then Aug 20 15:14:10 but other than that! Aug 20 15:14:16 try a tablet Aug 20 15:14:23 maik: I'm telling it to you ondemand clock speed and it never drops below 500mhz Aug 20 15:14:27 either on will get broken with the childs I know... Aug 20 15:14:31 envision webOS on a bigger screen Aug 20 15:14:37 using your fingers Aug 20 15:14:48 haeffb_pre: yesterday night it went down to 125Mhz all the time (which I really liked) Aug 20 15:14:59 swisstomcat: I can't STOP envisioning it Aug 20 15:15:05 swisstomcat: i can envision it, but maybe my bias is causing my close-mindedness, because i can't think of a single good use of one Aug 20 15:15:07 me neither :) Aug 20 15:15:12 i want to BUY one right now Aug 20 15:15:23 madnificent: have you tried dropping it like its hot? Aug 20 15:15:26 * madnificent likes the physical keyboard on his pre Aug 20 15:15:35 wup deepee Aug 20 15:15:37 maik: go to an apple store and play with an ipad as an example Aug 20 15:15:38 maik: yeah, I even threw it through the window Aug 20 15:15:43 madnificent: bah Aug 20 15:15:44 maik: you know what it said to me?! Aug 20 15:15:49 ? Aug 20 15:15:54 NOTHING, IT REFUSED TO TALK Aug 20 15:16:07 "Intel buys McAfee. What they didn't realize is that it's just a subscription and they'll have to buy the company again each year. :)" Aug 20 15:16:12 well, i wouldn't talk to you either if you threw me through a window Aug 20 15:16:17 no, I don't understand why it will not scale down Aug 20 15:16:19 hah Aug 20 15:16:20 lol Aug 20 15:16:23 maik: O_o why not?! Aug 20 15:16:32 swisstomcat: LoL Aug 20 15:16:39 abused Pre is abused :( Aug 20 15:16:41 maik: try to set the emulator to 640x960 and play around Aug 20 15:16:51 does it scale well? Aug 20 15:16:55 maik: I treat it well :) Aug 20 15:16:57 my app did Aug 20 15:17:15 depends on the app, but yes Aug 20 15:17:16 hrm Aug 20 15:17:21 does anyone have Govnah settings that make the device scale down on demand? Aug 20 15:17:23 * maik looks Aug 20 15:17:41 or could someone look at how much cpu LunaMgr is using Aug 20 15:18:54 swisstomcat: where do you change the resolution? Aug 20 15:18:56 intel boss says to his secretary "go and get my mcaffee" ... a few hours later she comes back ... "done!". he asks "what version did you get?" .. she "version...?" Aug 20 15:19:07 heh Aug 20 15:20:12 maik: there is a config file for each resolution stored in your user dir Aug 20 15:20:24 I.e. pixi or pre Aug 20 15:20:32 yeah Aug 20 15:20:36 kthx Aug 20 15:20:38 you can edit the resolution there Aug 20 15:22:19 (my enquiry was about LunaSysMgr, not LunaMgr) Aug 20 15:25:55 CustomViewMode# in the .xml file? Aug 20 15:26:35 or... hmm, no Aug 20 15:28:34 Aug 20 15:28:34 Aug 20 15:28:44 in the xml file Aug 20 15:28:51 oh. i tried adding a 3rd one, oh well Aug 20 15:29:00 oh i get it Aug 20 15:31:20 it said something about "A virtual machine for 320x480 already exists" Aug 20 15:31:25 * maik keeps looking Aug 20 15:33:44 when did it say that? Aug 20 15:33:52 you just edited the xml, right? Aug 20 15:34:17 i did. i edited the 320x480 one Aug 20 15:35:54 VirtualBox says that when i try to start the one i edited: Aug 20 15:36:08 "A virtual machine named SDK 1.4.5.465 (320x480) already exists." Aug 20 15:37:52 there, i just started it through virtual box instead of the launcher Aug 20 15:39:44 "Hi, I'm webOS, and I take FOREVER to boot up" Aug 20 15:40:54 hehe Aug 20 15:40:57 laterz Aug 20 15:40:59 bbl Aug 20 15:41:05 well, it's definitely huge Aug 20 15:41:18 it's nice Aug 20 15:41:39 and since my app uses css with statements like width: 95%; i didn't have to change a lot Aug 20 15:42:11 are you guys talking about your palmpad prototypes? Aug 20 15:42:21 shhh Aug 20 15:42:45 alexfner: just set your emulator to the desired resolution Aug 20 15:42:49 alexfner: that's on the DL Aug 20 15:43:03 oh was I not supposed to say anything? Aug 20 15:43:13 ok, i'm off Aug 20 15:43:49 just messing with you Aug 20 15:44:45 i'm still not seeing it, i don't know Aug 20 15:44:57 maybe if HP gives me one for free i'll appreciate it more... Aug 20 15:45:21 * Anivrom|pre is scarfing down mcdonalds fries and a big mac Aug 20 15:46:37 spose i should get to work Aug 20 15:47:06 Work is for suckers who need money Aug 20 15:47:12 ayup Aug 20 15:47:34 fortunately i love what i do Aug 20 15:48:55 Impossible. No one is supposed to love their job.. Aug 20 15:49:04 sorry :) Aug 20 15:49:42 Unless your job is a model photographer. Then you're allowd :P Aug 20 15:50:04 But most of them are gay. Its a shame. Suc a waste Aug 20 15:54:50 Anivrom|pre: I don't know if I'd boast about "scarfing down" food :D Aug 20 15:58:44 Actually I'd be the mcdonalds part I should be embarrassed about if anything Aug 20 15:59:59 It'd be* Aug 20 16:00:39 anyone have a spare 19v 1.58A power supply laying around? Aug 20 16:04:43 right right Aug 20 16:06:36 maik, sorry...it JUST went to recycling. I tried to stop the guy, but it was too late Aug 20 16:06:37 Mac attack! Aug 20 16:08:50 I need to figure out why openGL isn't properly texturing my primitives! Aug 20 16:08:52 if anyone has any suggestions... go for it Aug 20 16:12:37 sugardave: just sent you an lol via email Aug 20 16:13:12 sugardave: psh, thanks for nothing! Aug 20 16:15:22 Hey chuqui. Hows your day been so far? Aug 20 16:18:07 Anivrom|pre: good morning! It's been relatively quiet so far, which is a nice start. Happy friday! How is your day? Aug 20 16:19:08 I've had better but I've certainly had worse. Woke up at 8:00. I start work at 7:30... Well, atleast when I don't wake up at 8 I do :P Aug 20 16:19:57 But same, quiet day which is nice cause as soon as I get home from work I'm leaving on vacation up to northern canada for my 1 yr anniversary all next week Aug 20 16:20:18 isn't northern Canada redundant? Aug 20 16:20:24 CANADA! be careful candians are crazy Aug 20 16:20:36 Not if you live in southern canada its not Aug 20 16:20:42 ;) Aug 20 16:20:45 where's that? California? Aug 20 16:20:55 you live in montana? Aug 20 16:21:35 To canadians there is a clear distinction. Northern canada is barren with afew scattered small cities and many small towns. Mainly rocks andtrees Aug 20 16:22:08 which is funny because that is how us centrally northa americans view all of canada Aug 20 16:22:30 it's also the land of the beady-eyed people Aug 20 16:22:53 wait ... do they have cell phones in canada? Aug 20 16:23:01 My grandparents live 11 hours north of the buffalo border, which is where we are going. Population 5600 ppl. Google cochrane ontario. They live on 130 acres of bush Aug 20 16:23:53 digitalpowers: is digitalpowers.com supposed to be alive? Aug 20 16:24:25 Everyone psyched for the hackathon tomorrow? Aug 20 16:24:38 well, it is partially, it is actually still hosting my old site for territory, i just havent switched the code out yet Aug 20 16:24:38 roy you keep talking about this hackathon Aug 20 16:24:47 but i know not of which you speak Aug 20 16:25:06 Roy-Pre101: what time are the festivities or have you guys updated WOR yet? Aug 20 16:25:20 alexfner: community hackathon for instapaper app Aug 20 16:25:26 10-10 Eastern Aug 20 16:25:27 oh ho? Aug 20 16:25:40 where? Aug 20 16:25:40 alexfner: http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/08/hackathon-august-21st-instapaper-go/ Aug 20 16:25:41 Well, we'll probably be doing Read-it-later Aug 20 16:25:46 oh Aug 20 16:25:52 The Instapaper API turns out to suck. Aug 20 16:25:56 nice Aug 20 16:26:13 so are we organizing here or what? Aug 20 16:26:26 We'll have a chat room set up on the woru site. Aug 20 16:26:50 David thinks it'll require less software to be installed. Aug 20 16:26:55 will it take all day to make this app? Aug 20 16:27:10 I don't know anything about instapaper Aug 20 16:27:12 yeah, IRC clients are notoriouslu bloated :P Aug 20 16:27:26 alexfner: apparently instapaper is a bust Aug 20 16:28:22 yeah? Aug 20 16:28:24 alexfner: It will take all day to herd all the cats. :) I have to get the infrastructure done today and posted. If you'd like to participate I suggest you set up a Github account today if you don't have one. Aug 20 16:28:41 Also, you may want to play with Ares a bit if you don't want to install Git on your machine. Aug 20 16:28:42 oh I have one of those :D Aug 20 16:28:48 oh no, Ares? Aug 20 16:28:57 It won't be an Ares app. Aug 20 16:29:03 whew Aug 20 16:29:26 But for people who don't want to install an editor and Git they can use Ares to pull the repository and to edit. Aug 20 16:29:29 And to debug. Aug 20 16:29:59 make everybody get lumberjack :D Aug 20 16:30:02 I'm still confused, what is instapaper? Aug 20 16:31:49 sugardave: We talked about that on the podcast last night. Was that yours? Aug 20 16:31:52 http://www.instapaper.com/ Aug 20 16:32:06 no, I'm ashamed to say that I haven't listened to any podcasts Aug 20 16:32:06 Ares for the freakin win Aug 20 16:32:07 alexfner: We'll be doing readitlater instead though. Aug 20 16:33:13 I did think about doing the whole project in Ares for the newer developers but I think we have enough pre-Ares people involved that it may be confusing for them. :) Aug 20 16:33:18 Roy-Pre101: you mean lumberjack? that's oil & co. Aug 20 16:33:35 do you ever wake up with oil on your feet? Aug 20 16:33:37 I know i do Aug 20 16:34:47 Roy-Pre101: so what are you guys planning to do if there are too many devs? :D Aug 20 16:35:05 sugardave: Do the best we can. Aug 20 16:35:21 We'll probably do some pairing up of old and new devs. Aug 20 16:36:28 I'm mostly interested in being a knowledge sponge :) Aug 20 16:36:40 or brain-sucker Aug 20 16:36:46 like a zombie Aug 20 16:37:25 Wish I was around this weekend for this. Sounds like fun Aug 20 16:38:17 I thought you could dev on your Pre? Is there no cell service in "northern" Canada? Aug 20 16:38:48 Ok so I have a mysterious bug where it won't display new messages unless I scroll the scroller. Oil: ask questions now before the bug disappears Aug 20 16:39:07 There is cell service in northern canada Aug 20 16:40:30 I'll be on the fringes of the tower range since I'm 14 clicks from town, but if I go outside the house I get a tiny connexion, akthough that was with my old phone. Pre seems to be lacking in reception quality department Aug 20 16:41:18 damn, didn't see the new "put your name on this list" thing Aug 20 16:41:25 Roy-Pre101: will you moderate my comment? Aug 20 16:42:00 Test Aug 20 16:42:21 Hmm bug seemed to have disappeared. Odd Aug 20 16:42:36 sugardave: I'll try. Aug 20 16:43:00 it's weird, I thought I was a user and I was logged in, but it says my comment has to be moderated Aug 20 16:44:42 will someone adderss me real quick, trying to get a little bit of notification working Aug 20 16:45:21 digitalpowers Aug 20 16:45:26 sweet thanks Aug 20 16:46:24 got sick of not being able to find messages when peopel said something to me, i decided mirc aught to be able to highlight the lines ... it can, really easily :D Aug 20 16:46:33 ah Aug 20 16:46:46 is Khaled still charging for mIRC? Aug 20 16:46:50 or did he stop that nonsense? Aug 20 16:46:57 you have to pay for mirc? Aug 20 16:47:01 wth? Aug 20 16:47:05 man this is really frustrating, textures are loading properly, just not displaying on their primitives Aug 20 16:47:07 i think it still tries to make you pay but it only buggs you, it never forces it Aug 20 16:47:17 ya, he started that a few years back. i think it was more of just an incessant nag screen Aug 20 16:47:31 You can keep using it. It just has a dialogue at startup where you have to wait for the continue button to fade in Aug 20 16:47:37 alexfner you doing opengl? 1.0 or 2.0? Aug 20 16:47:55 es 1.1 Aug 20 16:48:08 no errors Aug 20 16:48:12 oh nice, i might be able to help you! Aug 20 16:48:12 just not displaying Aug 20 16:48:29 so your sure the textures are loading, are they a power of 2 wide and tall? Aug 20 16:48:39 I know that primitives are being drawn, if I turn off blending, the primitives display Aug 20 16:48:43 they are loading Aug 20 16:48:46 and they are a power of 2 Aug 20 16:49:33 Roy-Pre101: thanks Aug 20 16:50:33 well, they're loading through SOIL Aug 20 16:50:48 but before I changed the ortho matrix, they were displaying correctly Aug 20 16:50:56 oooh ok Aug 20 16:51:01 that changes things then i suppose Aug 20 16:51:16 and I changed the ortho matrix, and now I can only see primitives, but not the textures on them Aug 20 16:51:20 so I must have done something wrong Aug 20 16:51:22 what ortho settings are you using and what coordinates are you putting the textured primitive at Aug 20 16:52:13 well first Aug 20 16:52:15 glClearColor(0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 1.0f); Aug 20 16:52:18 glOrthof(0, 320, 0, 480, -1, 1); Aug 20 16:52:47 glBlendFunc(GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE); Aug 20 16:54:14 and i assume you are sticking the triange strips within that view Aug 20 16:54:36 oh also are you doing your trangle strips, top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right? Aug 20 16:56:02 no, but that order isn't required? Aug 20 16:56:11 well not exactly Aug 20 16:56:13 the order that I've done them in should work just fine Aug 20 16:56:35 but it does have to be triangle strippie, like, top left, top right, bottom right, bottom left wont work Aug 20 16:56:49 which is my natural instinct coming from 2d pixel drawery Aug 20 16:58:10 hmm Aug 20 16:58:16 I don't think that's it Aug 20 16:58:28 the primitive and texture are drawn with the same coordinates Aug 20 16:59:24 your texture coordinates should be normalized though right, 0,1,0, 1,1,0 ect right, not to scale with the size of the texture Aug 20 16:59:48 ahb I've got it Aug 20 16:59:57 texture coords were supposed to be in f values Aug 20 17:00:01 I had them all in pixel values Aug 20 17:00:05 sweet Aug 20 17:01:23 yeah, now that we've got that fixed, just need to integrate with the physics library Aug 20 17:01:29 sweets Aug 20 17:02:10 so what basic disciplines have I missed out on to be able to understand what you guys are talking about? Aug 20 17:02:20 opengl Aug 20 17:02:30 I said basic Aug 20 17:02:37 programming? Aug 20 17:02:39 which bit didnt you get, the normalized or the float vs pixel? Aug 20 17:02:59 the primitiives and textures, and what you're using to make them Aug 20 17:03:03 algebra? Aug 20 17:03:10 Lol @ bit. It's a pun, get it? :P Aug 20 17:03:11 that was my next suggestion Aug 20 17:03:11 calculus? Aug 20 17:03:11 sugardave: if you want to learn opengl, I can hit you up with links to learn you some graphics programming Aug 20 17:03:23 textures are images Aug 20 17:03:34 for to be learning Aug 20 17:03:40 lol, primitive is just a fancy word for shape, and texture is just picture Aug 20 17:03:56 opengl people like to be fancy though, so they use fancy words Aug 20 17:04:16 primitives are drawn using vertexes, which are the points where two sides of the shape meet. in openGL the primitives are drawn by making vertexes and drawing triangles between every three vertexes Aug 20 17:04:29 the only confusing part is that you have to draw your shapes with triangles Aug 20 17:04:31 simple, right? Aug 20 17:05:07 okay, we will have to revisit this some other time Aug 20 17:05:16 on my way to Schlitterbahn Aug 20 17:05:18 bbl Aug 20 17:05:44 and to make it "easier" you can use a triangle strip wich is just a list of points where the you take the first three poitns (1,2,3) and make a triangle, then you take the second 3 points (2,3,4) and make a triangle, saves time ... Aug 20 17:05:55 kk, ttyl sugardave Aug 20 17:06:51 wait, so vertexes 2 and 3 are reused for the 2nd shape? Aug 20 17:06:56 right Aug 20 17:07:00 excellent Aug 20 17:07:05 so you create a set of vertexes Aug 20 17:07:11 v1, v2, v3, v4 Aug 20 17:07:11 vertices i guess Aug 20 17:07:20 v1, v2, and v3 create triangle one Aug 20 17:07:23 yep Aug 20 17:07:31 and then 3 and 4 would be reused for the next shape Aug 20 17:07:32 and then v2, v3, and v4 create the second triangle Aug 20 17:08:00 openGL just moves through the vertex array and builds triangles Aug 20 17:08:04 like so Aug 20 17:08:21 the english way to say it is, each triangle is formed from the next point in the array, and the previous two Aug 20 17:08:34 gotcha Aug 20 17:08:46 psh, opengl is easy! Aug 20 17:09:02 that part isnt actually too bad once you get it Aug 20 17:09:26 there is also a triangle fan which is similar, but it uses the new point, the previous point, and the first point to make a triangle Aug 20 17:09:45 good for making circles and other similar shapes Aug 20 17:10:05 you can avoid having to make circular primitives though Aug 20 17:10:14 oooh, how? Aug 20 17:10:21 with textured square primitives Aug 20 17:10:26 oh true Aug 20 17:10:27 and if you need collision, you can use a physics engine Aug 20 17:11:28 so apply your square texture with transparent corners to a square? Aug 20 17:11:35 right Aug 20 17:11:53 apply your square texture, that is an image of a circle Aug 20 17:12:02 yar Aug 20 17:12:20 yar yar Aug 20 17:13:01 you know the one problem i have had several times, that you might know how to sovle alexfner, sometimes when i am mixing textures and colors for various primitives, like i want to draw a black square using the color pointer, and a textured square next. Every now and again it will apply the color to the texture and mess with bliding in a way i just dont get. Aug 20 17:13:26 i am makign sure to enable and disable texture poniter and color pointer before and after usign the appropriate way Aug 20 17:13:54 clear teh color buffer, maybe? Aug 20 17:16:27 not a bad idea, i will look into that, does clearing the color buffer clear the screen? Aug 20 17:17:04 i can't even express how disturbing it is that I am being less downloaded than an app called Pootie Pants Aug 20 17:17:16 haha Aug 20 17:17:21 hahaha, that is not good Aug 20 17:17:47 i dont know why i bother putting assloads of effort into a free app, just to be beat by an assload of an app Aug 20 17:17:48 Awww Aug 20 17:18:12 also, Fart Bomb! Aug 20 17:18:15 For the record I created an awesome loop on it 2 days ao Aug 20 17:18:17 Ago Aug 20 17:18:19 FML Aug 20 17:18:21 so codeslaw_ btw, i love songwave Aug 20 17:18:23 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 20 17:18:30 awesome, glad you do Aug 20 17:18:44 i am adding a 3rd track to the free version! Aug 20 17:18:46 drums! Aug 20 17:18:47 i <3 songwave too Aug 20 17:18:52 ooooh Aug 20 17:18:55 you should definately make a pro version with more tracks and (if doable) the optin to save the sound you make Aug 20 17:19:08 codeslaw_: you stole my idea lol, I was gonna replace the wav files with drums Aug 20 17:19:12 digitalpowers: i built it very modularly, i can have any number of tracks Aug 20 17:19:21 Codeslaw, what scale are the notes in SongWave? Aug 20 17:19:23 is it pdk or mojo? Aug 20 17:19:39 what about the ability to silence a track? Aug 20 17:19:43 Anivrom|pre: you are free to do that if you like, that version uses 8k audio, next update i'm trying to get it to 44.1 without taking a latency hit Aug 20 17:19:43 But now I don't have to yay Aug 20 17:20:11 DougReeder: they are stacked triads a minor 7th apart Aug 20 17:20:20 C E G Bb D F A C Aug 20 17:20:36 Hmm, interesting (but good) choice Aug 20 17:21:01 blue track is D F# A C E G B D Aug 20 17:21:17 I made a minor major jamboree the other day. Sounded great with the 2nd track on the offbeats Aug 20 17:21:21 i found it to be the best way to make it always sound good, for people who don't get scales Aug 20 17:21:28 nice Aug 20 17:21:29 nod Aug 20 17:21:50 ok so codeslaw_ when are you going to add the option for us to use our mic to record a sample for a custom track? Aug 20 17:21:54 pro version i'm trying to come up with a way to let people choose the scale, without having to build a cumbersome UI in c++ Aug 20 17:22:03 digitalpowers: when we have mic access, and i have a shitload of free time Aug 20 17:22:09 haha Aug 20 17:22:10 Although the person I showed it to didn't appreciate it. She was like lolwut? Aug 20 17:22:58 some peeps don't dig it i guess Aug 20 17:23:09 My wife thought it was cool. Aug 20 17:23:35 i don't know if it's the state of the app catalog, or just the different types of apps, but Paintr Lite had 8x more downloads after 3 days than songwave Aug 20 17:23:49 My wife's not a musician but she found it interesting Aug 20 17:24:06 Its the type of app codeslaw_ Aug 20 17:24:23 Ppl like drawing more than making music blips Aug 20 17:24:27 ya, i guess painting has a more universal appeal/shorter learning curve Aug 20 17:24:41 well, in any case, i'm working on Paintr Plus right now Aug 20 17:24:58 in c/c++ or web tech? Aug 20 17:25:02 web tech Aug 20 17:25:58 omg! http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/19/what-does-a-bubble-s.html Aug 20 17:26:10 i have the engine written in C++, but having trouble getting arbitrary render buffers to work, and the news about hybrid apps not supporting multitouch is detrimental Aug 20 17:26:15 i hate you maik Aug 20 17:26:26 halfhalo? Aug 20 17:26:45 you didn't tell me to not strip the inner cables of an ethernet cord Aug 20 17:26:54 :p Aug 20 17:26:55 ... you're joking, right? Aug 20 17:27:03 Unfortunatly, no Aug 20 17:27:05 lolmg Aug 20 17:27:06 lol Aug 20 17:27:17 i dont think you can hate him for that Aug 20 17:27:29 btw maik that is a sweet video Aug 20 17:27:34 I can hate him for whatever the hell I want Aug 20 17:27:53 well if you look at the rj-45 connector you can see that when it crimps it shoves those contacts down into the conductors Aug 20 17:28:10 you can't hate me for taking dekan away though, blame CTLAdvance for that Aug 20 17:28:18 All mine are colored and hard to see Aug 20 17:28:28 your connectors are? Aug 20 17:28:34 si Aug 20 17:28:50 purdy Aug 20 17:28:57 yup Aug 20 17:29:48 soothing sounds of sorting Aug 20 17:29:51 need to make a cd Aug 20 17:29:55 digitalpowers: ya, it's awesome Aug 20 17:29:56 haha, totally Aug 20 17:30:11 i love the first comment though Aug 20 17:30:36 yeah me too Aug 20 17:30:42 i wish i knew enough to understand exactly what was going on Aug 20 17:30:51 i see patterns, but that's about where my brain stops Aug 20 17:30:52 i had to go back and decide which i liked best, so i know which to use in future sorts Aug 20 17:30:57 haha Aug 20 17:31:37 lol Aug 20 17:31:50 got to go folks Aug 20 17:32:26 its not overly complicated maik, which bit dont you understand, the sort algorithms or how they made it into sound? Aug 20 17:34:31 can anyone tell me how to disable rotation and prevent buttons from being capitalized in ares? Aug 20 17:34:41 i think i was getting caught up on what was going on. he's sorting the lines by height from smallest to largest using different algorithms Aug 20 17:34:48 yep Aug 20 17:34:49 Ok so sugardave I have a great idea having to do with my app, a dashboard, and a jar of pickles. Aug 20 17:35:28 qurgh i dont know aries sorry, i cant remember who does either, we should have people start using their nicks to indicate their prefered dev method Aug 20 17:35:49 stupid nick limit! Aug 20 17:35:51 haeffb_mojo Aug 20 17:36:14 what about preventing rotation/capitalization in normal dev (I used eclipse too) Aug 20 17:36:21 First I eat the jar of pickles, then I create a dashboard when my app is closed so I can keep a check on stats, if the user closes the sashboard no biggie, just use my event generating algorithm like I normally do. Is this sound logic? Aug 20 17:36:36 setWindowOrientation or something like that...? Aug 20 17:37:36 qurgh: it should be a function of sceneController Aug 20 17:37:45 or maybe stageController Aug 20 17:37:59 check the docs or weos101 Aug 20 17:38:10 It's set in StageAssistant, knowing the function name helped me find it. Aug 20 17:38:21 Oh right sugardave is gone Aug 20 17:38:28 what about capialization of button labels? Do you know how to prevent it? Aug 20 17:38:28 & caps are either an attribute of button Aug 20 17:38:30 orly Aug 20 17:39:02 or a CSS class that can be overridden in your app CSS Aug 20 17:39:04 Anivrom|pre: aside from the pickles, sound as a button Aug 20 17:39:19 Good stuff Aug 20 17:39:42 ok, thanks haeffb_pre, it's not set in the button properties, so it must be in the CSS somewhere Aug 20 17:40:16 you know where to look at the global css styylesheets? Aug 20 17:40:29 I have an idea Aug 20 17:40:49 somewhere in SDK dir Aug 20 17:40:57 I did it once for a header by adding the Aug 20 17:41:05 I did it once for a header by adding the un-capitalize class Aug 20 17:41:18 I'm just afraid my dashboard processing will hit performance. Its not that intense thoug Aug 20 17:41:54 Every second or so it processes 30 lines of lite code Aug 20 17:42:03 Mainly if statements Aug 20 17:43:38 rofl Aug 20 17:43:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3qkQROb_k Aug 20 17:43:53 Mt back is throwing a fit today Aug 20 17:44:08 anybody like gnarls barkley? Aug 20 17:46:00 i liked Crazy, didn't much care for the rest of their songs on that album on though Aug 20 17:46:12 2nd album was way better Aug 20 17:46:22 Maik: I don't like how it doesn't follow the original song. I like parodies that parallel the original better.$ Aug 20 17:46:24 but here's CeeLo's new single, it's pretty damn good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAV0XrbEwNc Aug 20 17:46:35 mind you, this doesn't involve danger mouse Aug 20 17:46:40 Anivrom|pre: ya, that and no one likes Java Aug 20 17:46:46 i bet even Java programmers don't like Java Aug 20 17:46:48 Haha Aug 20 17:47:21 Won't let me play the video on pre, Aug 20 17:47:23 whoa, nsfw, codeslaw_ Aug 20 17:47:33 my bad!!! Aug 20 17:47:47 that kind of stuff is SFW here, didn't occur to me Aug 20 17:48:03 heh Aug 20 17:48:24 Not suitable for women? Aug 20 17:48:42 Not suitable fr white ppl Aug 20 17:48:58 I like Java. It's not perfect, but it gets a lot right. Aug 20 17:49:00 Hey Aug 20 17:49:07 i'm still listening to it Aug 20 17:49:15 i like the video even though it's just lyrics Aug 20 17:49:20 and the lyrics are funny as shit Aug 20 17:49:26 I bet you do maik Aug 20 17:49:28 Anivrom|pre: Dude Aug 20 17:49:31 fking java Aug 20 17:49:34 i hate java Aug 20 17:49:41 "oh shit she's a golddigger" Aug 20 17:49:42 Youtube "this girl is so hot" Aug 20 17:49:45 "just thought you should know nigga" Aug 20 17:50:10 btw maik did you see she was wearing a floppy disk vest in the java video? mine was better though Aug 20 17:50:27 haha ya Aug 20 17:50:30 i didn't notice it. yours was probably better though Aug 20 17:50:46 maik: stop agitating the white folks Aug 20 17:50:57 ^_^ Aug 20 17:51:52 the second top comment is awsome, "The best part was 0:01 - 3:46" Aug 20 17:51:58 cee-lo was cool before dangermouse Aug 20 17:53:05 Mousey: heh Aug 20 17:53:24 digitalpowers: dude, i got a 75 in a 60 last night and a 80 in a 60 Aug 20 17:53:45 nice man! did they try to give excuses, be angry, or kiss butt? Aug 20 17:54:30 Kesne: coolest bug ever Aug 20 17:54:32 first one admitted to it right off so i wrote him for 70/60, cut him a break Aug 20 17:54:37 2nd one was awesome though Aug 20 17:54:55 lol Aug 20 17:55:10 he passed me doing 80 so i turn on him and romp on it to catch up. i got up behind him and he was _still_ doing 80, went on for a couple of minutes and i lit him up Aug 20 17:55:25 hahaha, so good Aug 20 17:55:26 i asked him if he knew the reason for the stop and he goes "umm...no" Aug 20 17:55:43 i laughed, then i asked his girlfriend if she knew why i stopped them and she said "no...not really" Aug 20 17:55:51 i laughed at her too Aug 20 17:56:14 you are a super trooper in the making sir! Aug 20 17:56:38 i told them i stopped him for his speed and asked if he knew how fast he was going and he said "80". then i asked if he knew the speed limit and he said "60" Aug 20 17:56:46 Ok so apparently my disableSceneScroller arg isn't working -_- Aug 20 17:56:55 wow Aug 20 17:57:04 then i berated him for going so fast, so stupidly and wrote him for the full amount because he and his stupid girlfriend lied Aug 20 17:57:32 good times man Aug 20 17:57:42 Maik: you'rean enforcer of the law? Aug 20 17:58:53 they were driving the girlfriend's parents nice-ass Infiniti SUV Aug 20 17:59:08 imagine telling your gf's parents that you wrecked their daughter's car Aug 20 17:59:16 Anivrom|pre: ya, among other things Aug 20 17:59:33 that they no doubt bought and paid for for her Aug 20 17:59:50 Noice. I wanna thank you for serving watever country you live in then. Aug 20 18:00:27 Hope you're doing it for the right reasons Aug 20 18:00:29 awe thanks Aug 20 18:01:04 silly college kids, they just never learn (or they do but then they arnt college kids anymore and we get a new batch) Aug 20 18:01:06 i'm a reserve for the local sheriff's office. it was originally to get my foot in the door because i wanted to do it full time, but i decided (thanks a lot to digitalpowers) that i like computers more better Aug 20 18:01:24 Hehe Aug 20 18:01:24 so now i'm just doing it because it's fun Aug 20 18:01:56 cause computers are teh awsome, and they never laugh at you when your awkward, they are always there with a warm glow, and they only do as they are told Aug 20 18:01:59 Carrying a gun at your side is always fun. I love guns Aug 20 18:02:08 heh Aug 20 18:02:26 They do as they are told even if what they are told is wrong :P Aug 20 18:02:52 NSFW: https://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/08/20/image/300089_500x_chat-python-chicken.jpg Aug 20 18:02:57 * Mousey thanks digitalpowers too Aug 20 18:03:00 well, mildly SFW Aug 20 18:03:06 oh wait, that's not a good link Aug 20 18:03:18 * maik *jedi hands* Aug 20 18:03:21 you didn't see anything Aug 20 18:03:40 AWESOME! Aug 20 18:03:41 haha, that is funny stuff right there Aug 20 18:03:42 More like they take what you tell them into conderation and pass it on to a program that decides what it should do based on what another guy told it todo (aka programming) Aug 20 18:04:29 omg Aug 20 18:04:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXuaVdV5ER8 Aug 20 18:04:33 SFW, but sad Aug 20 18:05:28 that is some sad bussiness Aug 20 18:05:36 funny title though Aug 20 18:06:01 ya, i guess there are a lot of those Aug 20 18:06:04 rats, needs a logon Aug 20 18:06:13 Mousey: do the youtube link, it works Aug 20 18:06:14 Yes I'm still on this. If you think about it an end user doesn't hve any control over anything, they just recommend something to happen, and you decide whether you want it to or not Aug 20 18:07:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNq4oILJ8OY this one is way funnier Aug 20 18:07:32 oh very true Anivrom|pre but we are not end users, we are the creators of software, WE decide what they do (except dekan who became self aware and died in a sledge hammer ... uhm ... accedent) Aug 20 18:07:37 * Mousey should really fix flash on his box Aug 20 18:09:31 Right which is what I'm essentially saying. We ultimately give the computer the commands based on end user recommendations. And even then we don't REALLY do that either, there are interpreters and compilers undr us unless someone writes their apps in mach Aug 20 18:09:32 ine code :P Aug 20 18:10:09 Which I doubt Aug 20 18:10:10 true, which i have done, but only 1 time for my grade and it was a few very small apps Aug 20 18:10:41 :P was it fun? Aug 20 18:11:12 actually, yes Aug 20 18:11:19 Cool Aug 20 18:11:30 i wouldnt want to do it on an intel chip though, this was a setup specifically designed for the learnings Aug 20 18:11:42 had a microprocessor and a bunch of inputs and outputs Aug 20 18:11:58 and we had to program it to do stuff, but it was fairly complicated stuff not super cheasy Aug 20 18:12:08 cant for the life of me remember what though ... Aug 20 18:12:23 the pdk handles openGL, right? Aug 20 18:12:46 i do remember VERY WELL that the IDE we had available to use was buggy, and sometimes when you hit save it would erase your files (in order to recreate them) and then crash Aug 20 18:12:48 Nyceane: yar Aug 20 18:12:55 openGL ES Aug 20 18:12:57 but yes Aug 20 18:13:07 Lmfao digitalpowers Aug 20 18:13:11 speaking of which, i saw jack today Aug 20 18:13:12 Sounds handy Aug 20 18:13:18 i think he's gotten bigger, and he still has his dog Aug 20 18:13:29 the way we did our code was to write it all in assembly, but then we had to "assemble" it ourselves using the opp code manual Aug 20 18:13:46 i got the best program running =) Aug 20 18:13:48 you watch! Aug 20 18:13:51 So low level it hurts Aug 20 18:13:58 maik that guy, oooooh, so glad he isnt my teacher anymore Aug 20 18:14:07 ya :D Aug 20 18:14:21 alright, i am off to go pickup the apps to replace you maik bbiab Aug 20 18:14:22 grep cvs /etc/services Aug 20 18:14:25 oops Aug 20 18:14:37 Cool you guys are friends in rl Aug 20 18:14:38 digitalpowers: good luck Aug 20 18:14:43 how many did you get? Aug 20 18:14:47 opengl32, and glu32? Aug 20 18:15:01 not sure, i will know in a mintue, and yeah, he used to be my employee Aug 20 18:15:14 Oh nice Aug 20 18:15:50 so he says Aug 20 18:15:55 i never called him boss Aug 20 18:16:30 nice!!! Google Voice and Video now supported in Linux Aug 20 18:17:09 can i make it under winAPI? Aug 20 18:17:39 make what? Aug 20 18:21:41 the pdk app Aug 20 18:21:53 hi Aug 20 18:22:27 hi MetaView Aug 20 18:24:59 you can make a PDK app in Windows... if that's what you're asking Aug 20 18:25:56 maik, no Aug 20 18:25:57 set LIBS=-lSDL -lGLESv2 Aug 20 18:26:02 I am not using SDL, or GLESv2 Aug 20 18:26:07 i am using OPENGL Aug 20 18:26:08 i didn't think so Aug 20 18:26:21 must use openGL ES Aug 20 18:26:56 i can't use opengl32.lib? Aug 20 18:27:01 and glu32.lib? Aug 20 18:27:09 and windows.h? Aug 20 18:28:07 Nyceane: no Aug 20 18:28:43 dtzWill =( Aug 20 18:28:46 that really sucks Aug 20 18:29:29 that webos doesn't provide an implementation of win32 api? I think I'm okay with that. Sorry if it dashes your project however :/. Aug 20 18:29:37 heh Aug 20 18:29:57 You can probably still port whatever it is, opengl to opengles(v1 or v2 depending on what you're doing) isn't too terrible Aug 20 18:30:59 Nyceane: might want to start with http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1989&Itemid=331 and read on, they have examples and tutorials and the like. Aug 20 18:31:09 so i guess windows.h is a no no then =( Aug 20 18:31:59 >_< Aug 20 18:32:54 Blarg Aug 20 18:33:02 Anybody hear about webOSworld? Aug 20 18:33:19 go palm reviewers go, review like you've never reviewed before! Aug 20 18:33:33 or maybe like you've reviewed countless apps and can do so expertly and efficiently. Aug 20 18:34:52 dtzWill: Palm Reviews don't look at stuff Aug 20 18:35:36 o_O. what? Aug 20 18:35:52 I mean the people waiting to review my app, presumably they exist and will, eventually, look at it. Aug 20 18:36:22 which app, btw? Aug 20 18:36:32 dtzWill: They will Aug 20 18:36:36 They just bearly look at it Aug 20 18:36:56 I managed to push a $100 app called "This App Does Nothing" through without them noticed. Aug 20 18:37:01 well whatever I just want it to go through and get this deal behind me. Aug 20 18:37:09 Though if it costs $1000, it'll get stopped Aug 20 18:37:22 MetaView: old app, new location: VBA Aug 20 18:37:57 pushing for main app catalog. the whole beta-paid thing shouldn't have happened, so hopefully this goes through soon. Aug 20 18:38:35 dtzWill: Palm averages around 1-3 days to push your app out Aug 20 18:38:47 They don't review on weekends though Aug 20 18:38:49 right. Aug 20 18:39:11 My favorite was when they posted http://twitter.com/palmhotapps/status/21680889001 the app isn't even listed in the contest anymore. Makes me worried :( Aug 20 18:39:35 was #10 yesterday... Aug 20 18:39:49 anyway enough of my complaining, hopefully it will go through and things will work out. Aug 20 18:40:01 digitalpowers: how's that app coming along? you gonna submit soon? :) Aug 20 18:41:14 CTLAdvance!!! Aug 20 18:41:21 Kesne!!! Aug 20 18:41:52 ok, let me get this straight Aug 20 18:42:15 how can my app go down i nthe weekly number if it is published since 2 days? Aug 20 18:42:38 MetaView: it didn't, others just went up faster Aug 20 18:42:42 MetaView: what's your app? Aug 20 18:42:42 you can use gl.h Aug 20 18:42:43 the app Relax exists 2 times... Aug 20 18:42:44 but not glu.h Aug 20 18:42:57 what if i copied glu.h into my header Aug 20 18:43:01 @dtzWill: Mandel Aug 20 18:43:09 MetaView: their weekly/daily mover algorithms do not act as you'd expect, ever Aug 20 18:43:13 Nyceane: that's ok Aug 20 18:43:31 MetaView: oh fun Aug 20 18:44:31 MetaView, Nyceane: what that's not okay. you need definitions of what glu.h defines! libGLU etc! Aug 20 18:44:32 place 9 is 4651, place 36 is 2045 Aug 20 18:44:35 anyone here using quatro wireless for mobile ads Aug 20 18:44:41 it's still very close Aug 20 18:45:06 you cannot just copy headers, sorry. Aug 20 18:45:08 dtzWill: depends what you need from glu.h Aug 20 18:45:24 and you can statically link libGLU Aug 20 18:45:29 that's allowed Aug 20 18:46:16 hmm, i dont get it Aug 20 18:46:24 so is it ok to use gl/gl.h? Aug 20 18:46:26 MetaView: absolutely. but... "can i use windows.h" -> "link libGLU.so statically".. good luck. Aug 20 18:46:27 and gl/glu.h? Aug 20 18:46:32 (see?) Aug 20 18:46:55 dtzWill, I am trying to get rid of windows.h right now, but the program is dependent on glu Aug 20 18:47:16 dtzWill: yes, I see, but I guess linking libglu isn't a big deal? Aug 20 18:47:18 Nyceane: then talk to metaview :). I'm about to head out anyway. Aug 20 18:47:23 lol Aug 20 18:47:38 Nyceane: make a list what the app needs from glu.h Aug 20 18:47:47 dtzWill, I am just trying to find something taht works lol Aug 20 18:48:01 maybe you can find just replacements for the functions, like text output for example(one of the things in glu) Aug 20 18:48:05 Nyceane: definitely understood. I'm just trying to avoid giving misleading advice is all. you're fine. Aug 20 18:48:06 fclose, fichier, fread, gluPerspective, a bunch Aug 20 18:48:21 fclose/fread isn't from glu Aug 20 18:48:46 glTexCoord2f Aug 20 18:48:50 glVertex3d Aug 20 18:48:58 glEnd, glColor4d Aug 20 18:49:08 don't write the list here :) Aug 20 18:49:38 glVertex3d isn't glu either, or? Aug 20 18:49:40 i m just saying, i need a bunch of stuff lol Aug 20 18:50:29 PDK is only a subset of opengl, or? Aug 20 18:50:49 MetaView: pdk has full implementations of opengles v1 and v2. Aug 20 18:51:10 1.1 anyway Aug 20 18:51:26 http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/1.1/docs/man/ for 1.1 and http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man/ for 2.0 Aug 20 18:51:31 thx Aug 20 18:51:42 (i had them bookmarked lol) Aug 20 18:52:45 Nyceane: now try to replace as much functions with the generic ones from opengles Aug 20 18:54:21 MetaView, how? Aug 20 18:54:43 gluLookAt Aug 20 18:54:57 well, you search what the missing functions do and try to rewrite it Aug 20 18:55:11 like gluLookAt is seems to set the view matrix Aug 20 18:55:41 you have to do it manually, have a look into the glu-implementation (if public) and rewrite it Aug 20 18:56:20 anyone here using ads Aug 20 18:56:33 yes Aug 20 18:56:50 #pragma comment( lib, "opengl32.lib" ) Aug 20 18:56:50 #pragma comment( lib, "glu32.lib" ) Aug 20 18:57:40 you need to remove them Aug 20 18:58:22 removed htose Aug 20 18:58:35 ok, when i copied glu.h into Header Files Aug 20 18:59:29 I got bunch more errors =( Aug 20 19:00:03 such as c++ does not support default-int Aug 20 19:12:29 MetaView Aug 20 19:12:30 are you here? Aug 20 19:12:38 i manage to cut it down to 154 errors heh Aug 20 19:22:54 MetaView? are you here? =) Aug 20 19:27:41 dtzWill it is coming along, submitted it now, going to start working on an update already but only minor things so far Aug 20 19:28:34 digitalpowers: great :) Aug 20 19:30:54 not gonna lie, i am fairly excited, will be my first app in the catelog, i could never finish mojo apps, the web tech got to me after a while and made me want to start cutting myself Aug 20 19:33:18 Nyceane: yes Aug 20 19:48:02 digitalpowers: any quality apps? Aug 20 20:01:16 digitalpowers: what is the app? Aug 20 20:03:48 maik got a few that look good, more than i expected Aug 20 20:03:56 oh good Aug 20 20:04:06 martha? Aug 20 20:04:15 codeslaw_ my pdk app is a game, shape sorter, if you want to try it pm me your email Aug 20 20:04:23 maik surprisingly no Aug 20 20:04:27 huh Aug 20 20:06:12 yeah i am going through them as we speak, hopeing to schedule interviews asap on monday Aug 20 20:07:43 too bad they won't be as awesome as me Aug 20 20:07:55 lol Aug 20 20:07:57 true! Aug 20 20:08:03 although i bet they will be less bitter :P Aug 20 20:08:14 if they're smart they probably won't be Aug 20 20:08:26 but if they know how to play the game, then maybe Aug 20 20:08:30 i knew how, i just refused Aug 20 20:08:42 i know sir, i know Aug 20 20:09:31 the network layout here has me freaking confused as hell Aug 20 20:09:49 yay project! Aug 20 20:10:00 ? Aug 20 20:10:28 lol networks Aug 20 20:10:30 go forth, and figure out the network layout. when you have discovered the layout return to me Aug 20 20:10:45 am waiting on network diagram :) Aug 20 20:11:13 Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Aug 20 20:11:20 speaking of which, i am going to assign all projects to the new employee as if they were quests in an rpg, i figure that will keep them happy because they cant pretend work is fun Aug 20 20:11:45 unless they don't understand wtf you're talking about Aug 20 20:11:51 ARR PEEE JEEE?!?11 Aug 20 20:11:59 well i will be careful not to hire such a lout Aug 20 20:12:52 make network wireless. problem solved Aug 20 20:12:54 unfortunately your sample is tainted by stupid Aug 20 20:13:05 halfhalo: not at all Aug 20 20:13:22 although, if anyone turns up that appears to have artistic tallent, their resume might go to the top of the pile, even if they suck at IT, that way i can befriend them and force them to help me with my games Aug 20 20:13:24 is it too geeky that i think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8g-iYGHpEA&NR=1 is awesome? Aug 20 20:13:32 haha Aug 20 20:13:45 no, i love it as well oil Aug 20 20:13:49 i linked to that earlier Aug 20 20:13:50 ok Aug 20 20:13:56 it's the sound of geek love Aug 20 20:13:58 i have listened to it several times today Aug 20 20:13:58 lol Aug 20 20:14:03 merge sort sounds the coolest :) Aug 20 20:14:10 on bubble Aug 20 20:14:54 yeah merge is my fav, and it is a good sort alg Aug 20 20:15:15 i am not sure how gnome sort works, never heard of that one Aug 20 20:16:45 i like heap sort Aug 20 20:16:52 gnome sort is magic Aug 20 20:17:30 intern sort is the best though. Assuming you have interns Aug 20 20:17:48 haha, but it sounds like grumbling, much less musical Aug 20 20:18:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4RRi_ntQc8&feature=related Aug 20 20:22:11 lol bubble sort isnt the way to go Aug 20 20:24:27 i know i shouldnt because a watched app never reviews, but i have refreshed my "My Apps" page a couple hundred tiems today Aug 20 20:24:51 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11030889 Aug 20 20:24:57 that's a little sad, for you non-believers out there Aug 20 20:26:58 also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ZtRP6ZLmc&NR=1 Aug 20 20:27:01 very well done Aug 20 20:31:53 * kesne is wearing white jeans Aug 20 20:33:18 i have to bite maik sad for non-believers in what? Aug 20 20:33:41 afterlife? Aug 20 20:33:54 or maybe immortality Aug 20 20:34:18 though i guess it would be sad _for_ immortals, since the universe would expand and become a cold dark place where nothing can live Aug 20 20:34:39 damn universe always in mah way Aug 20 20:35:17 lol Aug 20 20:35:39 rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLj9BoNb1U Aug 20 20:37:28 maik what will happen to the immortals when they get sucked into a vast black hole Aug 20 20:37:47 do they feel never ending pain but dont die? :) Aug 20 20:41:32 ugh, looks like another vending machine lunch today Aug 20 20:41:39 haha Aug 20 20:41:43 i have macncheese Aug 20 20:41:49 gimme Aug 20 20:42:08 * halfhalo sends maik some easymacncheese Aug 20 20:42:11 that and hot dogs sounds good for dinner Aug 20 20:42:18 * maik now contains some easymacncheese Aug 20 20:42:28 lol Aug 20 20:42:36 its what I keep in my desk at work Aug 20 20:42:47 just add water, stick in microwave, done Aug 20 20:42:51 probably not a bad idea. i think i need a mini fridge for my office Aug 20 20:43:06 first i need to get rid of this shitty desk though Aug 20 20:43:17 maybe that's what i'll do to feel productive today Aug 20 20:44:41 hey maik, what was the name of that movie that i sent you a trailer for the other day that had guns, swords, dragons, samuri's and half clad women? Aug 20 20:44:57 oh i don't remember Aug 20 20:44:57 sounds like a porno Aug 20 20:45:11 it was like Alice with guns or something? Aug 20 20:45:14 lol, no it looked good Aug 20 20:45:17 nope not at all Aug 20 20:45:19 "concept, not title" Aug 20 20:45:24 i don't know why i quoted that Aug 20 20:45:28 ( ) Aug 20 20:46:00 wow, you're gonna love this Aug 20 20:46:21 ooh found it Aug 20 20:46:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQmvkvgMs6Q Aug 20 20:46:24 sucker punch Aug 20 20:46:26 i vaguely remembered someone named vanessa in it, and i remembered that she was popular Aug 20 20:46:26 yep Aug 20 20:46:37 so i typed vanessa into google and got vanessa hudgens as a search suggestion Aug 20 20:46:42 hit that and went to IMDB Aug 20 20:46:44 it's the top of her list Aug 20 20:46:48 wow, that is impressive Aug 20 20:47:02 that's one o' them google search stories Aug 20 20:47:12 oh i forgot nazi's and robots too! Aug 20 20:47:16 oh ya! Aug 20 20:47:52 I need louder speakers for work Aug 20 20:56:36 ILLEGAL TORRENTS OMG Aug 20 20:57:34 donde? Aug 20 21:03:05 anybody feel like transfering my OpenGL app to SDL? =P Aug 20 21:03:41 i'll consider it for a cut of the profits :D Aug 20 21:03:48 dammit, i was just about to say that Aug 20 21:03:54 win! Aug 20 21:03:59 we'll split 50/50 Aug 20 21:04:05 what app is it? Aug 20 21:04:05 if i win the $10,000 Aug 20 21:04:16 it will win after you see it =) Aug 20 21:04:38 i m thinking about building a shitty version of it right now Aug 20 21:04:46 link me up some info, i love sdl/opengles Aug 20 21:04:48 i'll do it for 40/60! Aug 20 21:05:05 :P Aug 20 21:05:13 * maik undercuts Aug 20 21:05:16 i have the source code Aug 20 21:05:35 there are only 159 more lines to go through, changing glVertex3d to something else, etc Aug 20 21:05:40 * digitalpowers is unworried, maik doesnt know opengl Aug 20 21:05:49 like, glBegin(GL_QUADS); Aug 20 21:05:53 digitalpowers: you've seen how fast i pick things up Aug 20 21:06:00 how do i change that? Aug 20 21:06:25 mmm, mini donuts, pretzels and cherry coke Aug 20 21:06:29 yep, i know what you mean Nyceane, glBegins and glEnds are replace by glVertexPointer calls, you setup an array of verticies then point glVertexPointer at it Aug 20 21:06:49 then call glDrawArrays Aug 20 21:09:51 and to toss in color you use glColorPointer or for textures you use glTexturePointer Aug 20 21:09:57 GL_QUADS basically transfer everythign into 4, right? Aug 20 21:10:32 digitalpowers, http://pastebin.com/0WUsWP4b Aug 20 21:11:19 well the problem with GL_QUADS is that it isnt supported in gles Aug 20 21:11:23 BUT Aug 20 21:11:39 GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP can do the same thing Aug 20 21:12:03 ok, i m reading a lot of guides, and trying to find out what really to do Aug 20 21:12:57 that function would be easy to convert to a gles compatable function Aug 20 21:13:00 http://pastebin.com/P3wym3qy Aug 20 21:13:04 here is the code Aug 20 21:13:06 your mom Aug 20 21:13:36 can you give me an example so i cna start? heh Aug 20 21:14:47 hahaha: http://buttersafe.com/comics/2010-08-19-LearningAboutCool.jpg Aug 20 21:15:23 LOL Aug 20 21:15:26 BOO Aug 20 21:15:47 Alright I'm gettin ready for a week away up north Aug 20 21:15:51 Ill see you guys in a week Aug 20 21:15:55 :D Aug 20 21:16:03 i m missing the concept, because glVertexPointer does not really end Aug 20 21:16:09 and intermittently during when I can get reception Aug 20 21:16:23 yeah Nyceane the second bit of code you linked is mostly correct, for part of it, gimme a few and i will nock up a partial translation for you Aug 20 21:16:48 thanks =) Aug 20 21:20:26 \boots Aug 20 21:25:19 brb right away Aug 20 21:39:28 digitalpowers: so i thought i found a net tool, but it's actually a cable mapper and toner Aug 20 21:39:45 while hes donig that, i am trying to remove all the windows =) Aug 20 21:39:49 windows code Aug 20 21:39:50 it can analyze cables as well as generate tones that this other toner can pick up, and it's freaking awesome Aug 20 21:40:32 * kesne is ready to spend the day on omegle Aug 20 21:41:50 very nice maik Aug 20 21:42:03 unfortunately no net tool, but i have a couple of places to borrow one from Aug 20 21:49:35 net tool Aug 20 21:49:39 NET TOOL?!?! Aug 20 21:51:01 come on Palm, it's been 24 hours! Aug 20 21:51:35 haeffb: yes...? Aug 20 21:51:47 i wish i knew c better, maybe i could figure out what im doing wrong thats making this simple block game eat and eat and eat memory heh Aug 20 21:51:54 since I submitted my new app Aug 20 21:52:31 dawm|laptop: just change it to a simple block eating memory game and you're golden Aug 20 21:52:34 are you collecting your garbage? Aug 20 21:53:31 digitalpowers, anyluck? =) Aug 20 21:53:47 yep, getting close, unfortunately work keeps bugging me Aug 20 21:53:53 but it will jsut be a couple more min Aug 20 21:59:27 Re: Hackathon project in Ares and pre-Ares developers... sounds like a great opportunity for some folks to get more comfortable with Ares. ;-) Aug 20 21:59:57 there were way to many Ares in that sentence... Aug 20 22:00:17 lemketron: Heyo Aug 20 22:00:30 eh, I'd rather not use ares Aug 20 22:00:31 lemketron: Going to come to the hackathon? :) Aug 20 22:00:40 Tibfib: Ares not required. Aug 20 22:00:49 hello roy =) Aug 20 22:01:03 Roy-Pre101: yay Aug 20 22:01:06 anybody know the value for M_PI? Aug 20 22:01:11 Everyone welcome. I will be posting instructions on pulling from Github with Ares for people who don't want to install Git locally. Aug 20 22:01:26 Roy-Pre101: we should use an irc channel for chat Aug 20 22:01:35 Tibfib: We got it covered. Aug 20 22:01:36 I think Aug 20 22:01:44 Nyceane: 3.14159265358979323846 Aug 20 22:01:50 thanks =) Aug 20 22:02:07 Roy-Pre101: I've heard you are using a cover it live thing to chat? Aug 20 22:02:15 Apparently. Aug 20 22:02:22 Not my choice, but eh. Aug 20 22:02:42 It will give us a few extra tools, such as a voting booth. Aug 20 22:02:47 true Aug 20 22:03:02 What is the hackathon app going to be? Aug 20 22:03:10 Read-it-later. Aug 20 22:03:13 speaking of which, has anyone tried http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ (remote usb javascript debugging) with a webOS 1.4.5 device? Aug 20 22:03:15 Cool Aug 20 22:03:19 Or Read It Later. Aug 20 22:03:21 Or readitlater. Aug 20 22:03:23 Or something. Aug 20 22:03:28 Roy-Pre101: so is someone going to make a patch to add that to the browser? :) Aug 20 22:03:35 (add adding things to read later) Aug 20 22:03:41 Tibfib: Now that's a really cool idea. Aug 20 22:04:08 Please bring that up when we get there. Aug 20 22:04:17 will do Aug 20 22:04:24 Roy: So how do you pull a git project into Ares? Aug 20 22:06:05 Anyone tried the "readitlater" bookmark on the device? I haven't, but it works fine for me in the bookmarks bar from Safari... Aug 20 22:06:40 Probably won't work as-is... maybe "share link" to a ril email address would work (if a little heavyweight). Aug 20 22:06:58 I don't think bookmarks of javascript functions work Aug 20 22:07:40 hey question Aug 20 22:07:44 what do you use for GetTickCount() on webos Aug 20 22:08:09 like these don't work IIRC http://www.lifeclever.com/17-powerful-bookmarklets-for-your-iphone/ Aug 20 22:08:38 Nyceane: With SDL? Aug 20 22:08:57 SDL_GetTicks i think Aug 20 22:09:10 Robdor, yah Aug 20 22:10:09 thanks Aug 20 22:11:08 cannot convert from 'Uint32 (__cdecl *)(void)' to 'int' =( Aug 20 22:11:21 lets cast it Aug 20 22:11:32 works Aug 20 22:12:01 fixed all the c++ error, all waiting for digitalpowers now =D Aug 20 22:14:35 alright Nyceane here is the inside of the for loop using gles instead of gl, i just did this in place in paste bin so if you do find some syntax wonkyness dont be surprised http://pastebin.com/fEEHFXbL Aug 20 22:15:08 lifeclever.... is that supposed to be like lifehacker ? Aug 20 22:18:47 hmmm Aug 20 22:18:56 Somehow my phonenumber was posted on 4chan Aug 20 22:19:05 heh Aug 20 22:19:23 maybe you should stop advertising free sex? Aug 20 22:19:43 maik: :P Aug 20 22:20:21 wow, thanks =D Aug 20 22:20:50 Roy? Have you tried ares remote debugging yet? I figured folks would be all over this once it worked with a device. Or perhaps everyone always just uses the emulator... ;-) Aug 20 22:21:21 Ah, Roy left Aug 20 22:22:46 wow nice Aug 20 22:23:15 i am saddened by the fact that it is nearing 5 and my app is still "Ready for review", cause i am guessing the review monkeys dont work on the weekend Aug 20 22:23:27 digitalpowers, where is vertices and tex declared? =D Aug 20 22:23:40 your pdk app? Aug 20 22:24:02 oh nvm Aug 20 22:24:11 heh, i was about to say Aug 20 22:24:30 and yeah my pdk app, i wrote a game, very excited to have it show up on the catelog Aug 20 22:25:04 if any of you devs want to try it i am happy to send you an ipk, just pm me your email Aug 20 22:25:10 lol, good luck with that, it better not beat this i wrote =P Aug 20 22:25:11 i bet it's got a great app description too, huh? Aug 20 22:25:42 it does maik :), well are you charging for yours Nyceane? cause i am so if you are doin a free app we wont compete Aug 20 22:26:24 no, not this one, spent too much effort not to charge =) Aug 20 22:26:35 duno yet, i might give it out for free to compete, then charge after competition Aug 20 22:26:37 nice Aug 20 22:26:50 ok, one more line of code need your help =) Aug 20 22:26:55 http://pastebin.com/jPcdVZFd Aug 20 22:26:58 just one line Aug 20 22:27:27 yeah i forgot that one, ok color is done exactly like the textures or the vertex pointers Aug 20 22:27:32 dammit i want this guy to get back to me about this motorcycle Aug 20 22:28:00 actually a few more lines after this line =) Aug 20 22:28:15 but it is 4 wide instead of three (for alpha too) and you use glColorPointer instead of glVertexPointer Aug 20 22:28:23 lemketron: explain " ares remote debugging" Aug 20 22:29:15 glColorPointer( 1.0 , 1.0 , 1.0 , lettre_1[i].opacite );? Aug 20 22:30:03 i updated teh paste bin you sent Aug 20 22:30:13 oops messed up sec Aug 20 22:30:45 here you go Aug 20 22:30:46 http://pastebin.com/c8Ps44uZ Aug 20 22:31:03 ihmmm... Aug 20 22:31:11 just a question trying to understand Aug 20 22:31:16 yeah go for it Aug 20 22:31:17 why are yo udoing exactly the smae thing 4 times? Aug 20 22:31:40 in glColorPointer Aug 20 22:31:46 lL.onclick = eval('new Function(\''+cdN.page[i].links[j].functions['onclick'].output()+'\')') Aug 20 22:31:49 check that awesome bit of code out Aug 20 22:32:03 because, with glBegin/glEnd the color was being set then each vertex was declared, and they use the last color set. Aug 20 22:32:04 and if you're going to vomit, please do so to your right Aug 20 22:32:22 (i did not write that) Aug 20 22:32:36 so is it ok to just declare color once and use glColorPointer(1, GLFloat, 0, colors) Aug 20 22:32:36 with gles you have to set the color for each vertex, so since we have 4 vertecies we set the color of each vertex Aug 20 22:32:54 nope Aug 20 22:33:27 oh, this has nothing to do with previous verticles Aug 20 22:33:28 technically colors[] is going to be used as a 2d array (infact a lot of times i will define it that way, just depends on what i am doing Aug 20 22:33:46 this is in a seperate file =) Aug 20 22:33:52 ceperate cpp Aug 20 22:33:53 lemketron: It's not too hard. You use subversion. Github has subversion access. Aug 20 22:33:59 the 4 is defineing how big the first dimintion of the array is Aug 20 22:34:02 wait huh? Aug 20 22:34:22 Internet is acting up. will go down again. Aug 20 22:34:31 the current line is by itself Aug 20 22:34:39 i can give you the full code if you want to take a look Aug 20 22:34:47 yeah sure Aug 20 22:35:36 http://pastebin.com/n6dF0yTz Aug 20 22:36:02 k my original code still applies Aug 20 22:36:09 you have 4 verticies being drawn Aug 20 22:36:29 you need to define 4 colors, each of which is 4 floats (r,g,b,a) Aug 20 22:36:39 oh, ok Aug 20 22:37:01 if you dont it will read outside the array and cause a segfault Aug 20 22:37:06 fun times :D Aug 20 22:37:08 even if glColor4d was only trying to set opacity? Aug 20 22:37:41 yep because opacity is a part of color, so if you want it you have to use a colorPointer Aug 20 22:39:03 but important note, the 4 at the begining of glColorPointer(4 -- and the 3 at the begining of glVertexPointer(3 -- are not defining the number of verticies, they are defining how many floats make up a peice of data, so vertex is 3 because it is x,y,z color is 4 because it is r,g,b,a. what defines teh nubmer of verticies is the 4 in glDrawArrays(GL_TRANGLE_STRIP, 0,4) Aug 20 22:40:46 the size of the respective arrays for glVertexPointer, glTexturePointer and glColor pointer need to be the number of verticies * the number of floats that define the peice of data, so 4 verticies * 4 floats for a color = array len 16. 4 verticies * 3 floats for position = array len 12. :D Aug 20 22:41:20 ok, also, about GLfloat tex[] Aug 20 22:41:28 ugh, I hate css Aug 20 22:41:29 original one was glTexCoord2d( 0.0, 0.0 ); Aug 20 22:41:39 which only contains 2 values, but yours contain 3... Aug 20 22:41:54 i m not sure where did everything get matched, from button to top? Aug 20 22:42:08 yah, you did from buttom to top =) Aug 20 22:42:30 is there a reason why you did from bottom to top and not top to bottom? Aug 20 22:42:42 well, you could probably do tex as a 2-width array and then pass in 2, i just learned it that way Aug 20 22:42:53 and i did the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right Aug 20 22:43:00 it doesnt really matter what way you do it that is just how i think Aug 20 22:43:03 but what does matter Aug 20 22:43:15 is that the first three points make up half the triangle Aug 20 22:43:34 then the last point makes a triangle with the two poitns before it Aug 20 22:43:48 that is what a triangle strip is Aug 20 22:43:59 so you cant just go aroudn in a circle or you will end up with something weird Aug 20 22:44:54 ok Aug 20 22:49:57 damnit, i finally fixed all the errors, bunch of other errors shows up now lol Aug 20 22:51:09 that's the natural order of things, really Aug 20 22:51:58 i need to put a tracking app on cinn's phone. need to know where she is right now Aug 20 22:52:47 maik that is creepy, but true Aug 20 22:53:10 digitalpowers, one more thing =) Aug 20 22:53:14 i'm | | <- that close to buying a motorcycle from a guy in pullman Aug 20 22:53:20 http://pastebin.com/KFmDR98k Aug 20 22:53:27 how do I get around gluLookAt? Aug 20 22:53:59 glOrthof i think is basically the same thing Aug 20 22:54:11 i never used gluLookAt so it is harder to "translate" Aug 20 22:55:24 i've made an function online, which completely crashed the application =( Aug 20 22:56:03 glOrthof is giving the same problem Aug 20 22:56:13 which is? Aug 20 22:56:52 http://pastebin.com/a6C1kDw2 Aug 20 22:57:15 this is the glOrthof i use in one of my apps Aug 20 22:57:15 glOrthof(0.0f, metrics.horizontalPixels,metrics.verticalPixels, 0.0f, -1.0f, 1.0f); Aug 20 22:57:48 although i have recently been doing it differently, to support multiple sized screens easier Aug 20 22:57:54 sooooo excited Aug 20 22:58:04 i found an iphone one =) Aug 20 22:58:16 maik i want a motorcycle Aug 20 22:58:26 who are you trying to buy it from and can i outbid you? Aug 20 22:58:33 i mean how much are you paying Aug 20 22:58:39 why do you think i haven't linked you? :) Aug 20 23:00:07 lol Aug 20 23:00:31 i found it! Aug 20 23:00:43 please hold obtaining spousal permission Aug 20 23:00:59 hah Aug 20 23:01:01 found what? Aug 20 23:01:02 (i kid btw, no idea where it is) Aug 20 23:01:12 just stay off of ebay Aug 20 23:01:20 oh no, i've said too much Aug 20 23:01:20 (or creigslist) Aug 20 23:01:24 i am no noob Aug 20 23:01:24 or craigslist Aug 20 23:01:33 or motorcycletrader.com Aug 20 23:01:37 haha Aug 20 23:01:46 or the entire internet? Aug 20 23:01:48 look: bananas Aug 20 23:01:49 fear not, i have no expendable income Aug 20 23:02:14 likely ruse Aug 20 23:02:29 dammit woman, where the hell are you Aug 20 23:02:38 lol Aug 20 23:02:59 i would start the conversation differently when you do get ahold of her Aug 20 23:03:19 DAMMIT WOMAN WHAT THE HEL... i mean hey sweety Aug 20 23:03:45 so you know how you said you wanted to go to NY this year? and your graduation in AZ? can i get a motorcycle instead? Aug 20 23:03:50 hmmm Aug 20 23:03:54 sounds good to me Aug 20 23:03:58 works for me Aug 20 23:04:17 sell a kidney Aug 20 23:04:29 then you get EVERYTHING Aug 20 23:04:33 maik all your stupid xp mode vm's are nothing but trouble btw Aug 20 23:04:54 really? Aug 20 23:05:07 because i'm pretty sure they're f'ing awesomepants Aug 20 23:05:12 yeah, every single one of them gives me printer problems Aug 20 23:05:17 they jstu forget their printers Aug 20 23:05:19 wait, that's not right. i think i hated them Aug 20 23:05:23 I agree, xp mode is awesome Aug 20 23:05:26 heh, that's a bummer Aug 20 23:05:29 or choose not to share with the vm Aug 20 23:05:39 halfhalo: except in a corporate environment Aug 20 23:05:46 digitalpowers: i don't think i ever had that problem Aug 20 23:05:55 s/corporate/domain/ Aug 20 23:05:58 boooo corporate Aug 20 23:06:00 with lots of stupid users Aug 20 23:06:20 Ah, see, my account isn't on active directory at my school/work Aug 20 23:06:22 :p Aug 20 23:07:26 the native clients work fine, but a non-domain client trying to access and authenticate with domain resources, inside of a domain client Aug 20 23:07:28 that's not so fun Aug 20 23:07:40 you should fix that Aug 20 23:08:16 haeffb: try it: http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ Aug 20 23:08:53 the good thing is i don't have to fix it, i don't work there anymore Aug 20 23:09:09 speaking of things you broke, i still have your laptop Aug 20 23:09:37 not my fault you didn't get it to me Aug 20 23:09:50 yeah, but still your fault in general Aug 20 23:09:59 stop being a pansy Aug 20 23:10:04 make it an interview question/task Aug 20 23:10:10 "hack this laptop or you don't get the job" Aug 20 23:10:15 lol Aug 20 23:10:21 the tpm is too good for such things Aug 20 23:10:43 replace tpm. done Aug 20 23:10:56 or force old employee to come back and finger laptop Aug 20 23:11:08 * maik cuts off his finger and eats it Aug 20 23:11:12 Lol Aug 20 23:11:13 HAH! now what are you gonna do? Aug 20 23:11:18 jail time? Aug 20 23:11:28 hah. i can't exactly fix it Aug 20 23:11:44 especially now that the stomach acids are eroding my fingerprint Aug 20 23:11:53 lemketron: I have, but thought maybe there was something more to the "remote" part... Aug 20 23:11:55 have you tried your fingerprint? Aug 20 23:12:16 those fingerprint readers are apparently the non-FIPS compliant ones that are somehow less secure than a USB reader Aug 20 23:12:26 email him your fingerprint! Aug 20 23:12:38 hell, i want to try it now Aug 20 23:12:43 not the cutting my finger off part Aug 20 23:12:46 nah, it wont work Aug 20 23:12:59 i know that won't work either Aug 20 23:13:04 right so its not sf style, please give us the password jail time, it would be willful eating of the only finger enrolled in the comp sorta hate kinda jail time Aug 20 23:13:19 whatever, frazier would take pity on me, he likes me Aug 20 23:13:25 laptop readers dont acutally read fingerprints, but something else i cant remember Aug 20 23:13:27 and wh would convict a guy who last a finger? Aug 20 23:13:34 superglue works Aug 20 23:13:46 he would be like ... you ... ate your finger ... soo, send him to eastern Aug 20 23:13:58 nah, i can prove i'm not crazy Aug 20 23:14:01 then the nice young men in their clean white coats HAHA Aug 20 23:14:20 "no you're honor, i'm not crazy, just spiteful" Aug 20 23:14:26 lol Aug 20 23:14:26 s/you\'re/your/ Aug 20 23:14:30 i think i might could have a hard time proving i am not crazy, strikes me as a difficult thing to prove Aug 20 23:14:39 hey, what's this: \boots Aug 20 23:14:45 escapeboots? Aug 20 23:14:50 boots of escaping! Aug 20 23:14:55 lol Aug 20 23:14:58 :D Aug 20 23:14:58 i was close! Aug 20 23:15:02 yerp Aug 20 23:15:02 * digitalpowers cries Aug 20 23:15:05 \maik Aug 20 23:15:13 * maik flees Aug 20 23:15:35 yay symbolic synonymery Aug 20 23:15:54 iambic pentameter? Aug 20 23:16:12 i like to eat my own fingers Aug 20 23:16:19 do you think that makes me crazy? Aug 20 23:16:28 ... Aug 20 23:16:35 iambic pentameter ^ Aug 20 23:16:48 i-like to-eat my-own fin-gers Aug 20 23:16:52 <-- programmer, not music nerd Aug 20 23:16:57 do-you think-that makes-me cra-zy Aug 20 23:17:21 is iambic pentameter 2 sylable beats? Aug 20 23:17:31 it's not really music, just poetry Aug 20 23:17:33 ya Aug 20 23:17:39 short-long, short-long, short-long, short-long Aug 20 23:17:50 int func(int a, int b, int c = 3) { ... } why is xcode saying im missing a , or ; or ) before = Aug 20 23:17:57 oh, except it's got to be 5 beats (penta) Aug 20 23:18:15 each beat is an iamb Aug 20 23:19:19 where the hell is my wife she must call back Aug 20 23:20:00 * digitalpowers goes afk Aug 20 23:22:25 one of my lit teachers in high school always pronounced poem as "pwom" Aug 20 23:22:44 it drove everyone crazy and we made fun of her, like good high school students do to their teachers Aug 20 23:22:52 lol Aug 20 23:28:56 recommendations for windows irc client other than icechat? Aug 20 23:29:18 Mirc ? Aug 20 23:37:49 hello! Aug 20 23:38:12 hello haeffb_mirc Aug 20 23:38:28 * Tibfib likes mIRC as well Aug 20 23:39:18 argh Aug 20 23:40:31 arbh? Aug 20 23:40:33 argh? Aug 20 23:46:25 mirc looks ok Aug 20 23:48:48 i give up, just gona make something from start =) Aug 20 23:48:56 this is too hard to port over.. Aug 20 23:53:14 Colors! Aug 20 23:59:58 yeah mirc is nice Aug 21 00:00:04 however the popup was annoying Aug 21 00:00:12 Have you tried KVirc Aug 21 00:01:02 nope, what's that/ Aug 21 00:01:04 ? Aug 21 00:02:37 $20 makes the popup go away...? Aug 21 00:06:10 hey guys, i'm having trouble with pulseaudio. On the PalmPixi -> systemSoundsLoader fails to connect to pulseaudio.. any suggestions? Aug 21 00:15:54 hey guys Aug 21 00:15:59 pdk doesnt have SDL_ttf.h? Aug 21 00:16:29 haeffb_mirc: www.silverex.org for windows IRC client Aug 21 00:17:38 hmmm Aug 21 00:17:41 so question Aug 21 00:17:52 can i include SDL_ttf.dll? Aug 21 00:29:29 oh woooooow requesting rejection from review process has to be APPROVED?! Aug 21 00:29:36 x.x Aug 21 00:29:46 Nyceane: you can link against SDL_ttf yes Aug 21 00:30:07 Nyceane: it won't be a dll, and I'm surprised they don't have the headers. it's on the device though and pretty sure SDL_ttf is on the approved libs list Aug 21 00:39:46 haeffb KVirc is an open source irc client which I would say is comprable to mirc Aug 21 00:40:01 I still like mirc better but kvirc is good Aug 21 00:40:06 dtzWill, i can't include it Aug 21 00:42:45 ugh i hate game logic Aug 21 00:43:03 me too =( Aug 21 00:43:08 this like totally sucks =( Aug 21 00:43:13 * oil uses xchat Aug 21 00:43:27 sdl_ttf is in the pdk Aug 21 00:44:49 dawm, i see taht Aug 21 00:45:47 http://pastebin.com/TFmL6ZZM Aug 21 00:47:00 did you link it? Aug 21 00:48:34 yah Aug 21 00:49:11 * halfhalo uses binary Aug 21 00:49:37 its compiling Aug 21 00:49:47 just stupid errors while building object Aug 21 00:51:25 and also, where is the linker Aug 21 00:51:28 Add "-lSDL_ttf" to the other linker options list. (without the quotation marks) Aug 21 00:51:43 whats your ide? Aug 21 00:51:50 in xcode you just edit project properties Aug 21 00:52:12 visual studio Aug 21 00:52:32 airplay is awesome! Aug 21 00:53:08 no clue, ive only used xcode, and im still a super noob Aug 21 00:53:20 i m gona go home and try xcode later Aug 21 00:53:26 this isnt getting anywhere =| Aug 21 00:53:38 This is why I use makefiles and textwrangler Aug 21 00:53:47 it's the same everywhere :) Aug 21 00:54:30 although with airplay I'm tempted to use xcode to build iPhone versions of my apps just to use instruments on them to optimize them Aug 21 01:09:37 ok soo.. dropped my pdk app on the device and its crying about not finding libPDL.so Aug 21 01:12:32 nm, i just copied libpdl.so to libPDL.so works now.. surprisingly ;D Aug 21 01:26:05 awesome Aug 21 01:26:22 my pdk app when minimized uses 1% cpu and its not coded to do that ;p Aug 21 01:26:45 lol Aug 21 01:27:10 but when in use it uses almost all the cpu ;p Aug 21 01:27:17 feature? Aug 21 01:27:26 but it doesnt leak memory like it does in macos Aug 21 01:31:39 awesome, touching the keyboard crashes the phone ;D Aug 21 01:40:02 whee, Schlitterbahn is fun, but I am tired Aug 21 01:40:05 sweet.. i was getting woried i was doing something wrong Aug 21 01:40:27 game uses 5908kb memory on the device and on macos eats until there is no more Aug 21 01:55:14 good evening everyone Aug 21 02:03:37 dawm|laptop: Don't do that symlink, use -lpdl like you're supposed to :P Aug 21 02:04:17 yeah i figured it out ;p Aug 21 02:04:36 was a typo when i was messing with the build script Aug 21 02:34:28 xchat ftw Aug 21 02:35:37 http://www.webos101.com Aug 21 02:37:55 man the example game that comes with airplay is surprisingly fun to play Aug 21 02:38:04 wish I could just add some stuff to it and toss it in the store :P Aug 21 02:41:12 http://www.webos101.com Aug 21 02:41:24 auto-replace ftw! Aug 21 02:41:46 but mirc is cool, too! Aug 21 02:42:23 yeah, haeffb_? Aug 21 02:46:40 does it cost anything to set up / submit an app to the app market Aug 21 02:46:54 No, at least not right now Aug 21 02:47:02 not anymore Aug 21 02:48:01 Well, the yearly fee will supposedly happen someday, last I heard Aug 21 02:55:37 haeffb: test Aug 21 02:57:34 the following slider does not work, anyone see anything wrong: http://pastebin.com/TmfL6XJU Aug 21 02:58:25 which part doesn't work? Aug 21 02:59:00 have you tried logging BasCookie.cookies.someCookie.dough.zzz to see what you get? Aug 21 02:59:22 haeffb: that works, it is a cookie Aug 21 02:59:30 let me try a hard code **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 21 02:59:57 2010