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Aug 26 04:03:32 <rwhitby> kesne: http://www.webosworld.com/2010/08/25/what-happened-to-the-palm-c40/#comment-33 <- very insightful post. well done.
Aug 26 04:04:52 <rwhitby> kesne: have you seen http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/159099#159099 ?
Aug 26 04:57:19 <dawm> hye dave
Aug 26 04:57:24 <dawm> you know why they called it a gibson/
Aug 26 05:28:42 <sugardave> dawm: I assume it's a reference to William Gibson
Aug 26 05:32:24 <kesne> rwhitby: Sorry I missed you ealier, yes I did see it, which is why I really felt that way
Aug 26 05:32:35 <kesne> If PreCentral posted it, I'd be more likely to buy it.
Aug 26 05:33:14 <rwhitby> I suspect all the webOS blogging sites have equally poor rumour mills
Aug 26 05:36:01 <kesne> rwhitby: I think that the guy who owns the website was desperate for some news, seeing as it was a new launch
Aug 26 05:36:34 * rwhitby prepares for Uber1G launch
Aug 26 05:37:02 <kesne> Uber1G?
Aug 26 05:37:11 <LoneStar99> hola amigos
Aug 26 05:37:45 <kesne> hey LoneStar99
Aug 26 05:38:13 <rwhitby> kesne: yes, Uber1G
Aug 26 05:38:23 <kesne> rwhitby: Where's that from?
Aug 26 05:56:10 <kesne> Hey all
Aug 26 05:56:20 <kesne> Anybody know how Metrix hot patching works?
Aug 26 06:19:13 <rwhitby> kesne: Uber1G is released
Aug 26 06:19:22 <kesne> rwhitby: What is it?
Aug 26 07:18:46 <kesne> rwhitby: Where is it?
Aug 26 07:19:07 <rwhitby> Preware of course
Aug 26 07:19:12 <kesne> Is it a kernel?
Aug 26 07:19:35 <rwhitby> http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/22155090351
Aug 26 07:20:31 <kesne> rwhitby: Cool stuff, got it
Aug 26 07:25:04 <Gu1l7y_work> is it testing or public?
Aug 26 07:25:15 <rwhitby> public
Aug 26 07:25:54 <Gu1l7y_work> *grins* Put it on the P|C forums yet?
Aug 26 07:26:58 <rwhitby> yup
Aug 26 07:34:38 <Txt-file> is it possible to enable ftp in the pre web browser
Aug 26 07:39:14 <Gu1l7y_work> rwhitby: Schaweet!
Aug 26 07:49:17 <Gu1l7y_work> rwhitby: Just curious, but at what stage is a kernel deemed safe and ready for a "stable" release?
Aug 26 07:49:29 <Txt-file> is it possible to enable ftp in pre web browse
Aug 26 07:49:58 <rwhitby> Gu1l7y_work: this one has been in the testing feed since Aug 4
Aug 26 07:53:14 <Gu1l7y_work> rwhitby: I guess I'm trying to ask, what cues somebody to move it from testing to stable?
Aug 26 07:56:32 <rwhitby> Gu1l7y_work: I decide that it's ready, based on overall reponse to the testing in forum and twitter and other developers
Aug 26 07:58:06 <ShadeS> hi rwhitby
Aug 26 07:58:16 <ShadeS> I think I recognize your nick from #palm?
Aug 26 07:58:42 <rwhitby> #palm ?
Aug 26 07:58:58 <ShadeS> yeah.. it might have been someone else
Aug 26 07:59:03 <ShadeS> Your nick looks familiar
Aug 26 08:00:52 <rwhitby> how long ago?
Aug 26 08:01:52 <ShadeS> I think it might have been a while
Aug 26 08:02:40 <ShadeS> might have just been this channel or -internals
Aug 26 08:08:18 <kesne> Blarg
Aug 26 08:08:23 <kesne> List is giving me issues
Aug 26 08:27:51 <kesne> I'm heading out for the night folks
Aug 26 08:28:01 <kesne> Night all
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Aug 26 09:37:06 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 26 09:37:15 <swisstomcat> wirc :)
Aug 26 09:45:06 <Gu1l7y_work> wirc is awesome.
Aug 26 09:46:22 <Gu1l7y_work> later all
Aug 26 11:10:04 <madnificent> good morning
Aug 26 11:10:15 <madnificent> well, noon officially
Aug 26 11:27:31 <bhodder> morning all
Aug 26 11:37:38 <haeffb> good (insert appropriate term according to your local time) everyone
Aug 26 11:45:37 <bhodder> hi haeffb hows it going today
Aug 26 11:48:34 <haeffb> don't know yet, just woke up
Aug 26 11:49:06 <bhodder> lol
Aug 26 11:51:12 <bhodder> where abouts are you at?
Aug 26 11:57:37 <haeffb> missouri, usa
Aug 26 12:12:37 <Roy-Pre101> Howdy.  Anyone know why I can't get Mojo.Controller.errorDialog to show at all?
Aug 26 12:12:40 <bhodder> ohh ok
Aug 26 12:15:14 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: in AppAssistant?
Aug 26 12:16:08 <Roy-Pre101> no.  just an assistant
Aug 26 12:16:23 <haeffb> try this: http://www.webos101.com/Dialogs
Aug 26 12:16:55 <Roy-Pre101> multi stage!
Aug 26 12:17:05 <Roy-Pre101> d'oh
Aug 26 12:17:20 <Roy-Pre101> should read my own site.
Aug 26 12:18:02 * haeffb off to work...
Aug 26 12:22:57 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Aug 26 12:23:28 <bhodder> hey swisstomcat, morning here
Aug 26 12:23:37 <madnificent> good afternoon swisstomcat
Aug 26 12:23:46 <madnificent> and bhodder
Aug 26 12:25:14 <madnificent> 0xC0FFEE
Aug 26 12:25:47 <bhodder> hey madnificent
Aug 26 12:28:42 <swisstomcat> what's up?
Aug 26 12:46:24 <swisstomcat> is this legit or not? http://www.webosworld.com/2010/08/25/what-happened-to-the-palm-c40/
Aug 26 12:47:45 <bpadalino> the guy who wrote it doesn't have a very good reputation .. and it seems more like logical speculation than anything
Aug 26 12:47:56 <bpadalino> but there isn't proof either way
Aug 26 12:53:13 <Roy-Pre101> It's a good collection of all the rumors and stuff.
Aug 26 12:53:45 <Roy-Pre101> I don't know that there's anything there.
Aug 26 12:54:04 <madnificent> swisstomcat: if anything, it would contain the type of processor (snapdragon for instance) instead of the cpu speed
Aug 26 12:54:36 <madnificent> swisstomcat: it is also fairly doubtful that they would've released a side-slider phone, as that would likely have disturbed some of their precious devs
Aug 26 12:55:18 <madnificent> "newer versions of webOS" seems to be empty to me too
Aug 26 12:55:19 <swisstomcat> "Other facts currently known such as the OMAP 4 processors which are being shipped line up with this story as well. It is legit!"
Aug 26 12:56:32 <swisstomcat> maybe the source was talking about this one: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/07/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-with-1-2ghz-cpu-headed/
Aug 26 12:57:14 <madnificent> (woops, I thought this was a last-years article)
Aug 26 12:58:55 <madnificent> swisstomcat: just wait 'till november and see what HP announces
Aug 26 12:59:21 <madnificent> I assume they'll try to stall things as they want to greate some kind of air about it, but you'll know what they'll be delivering
Aug 26 12:59:39 <Roy-Pre101> I expect they'll announce sooner than that.
Aug 26 12:59:55 <madnificent> they have a team of engineers to build smartphones (they were going to do the windows mobile 7 thing) and they must do webos now, so we'll see something soon
Aug 26 13:00:32 <madnificent> Roy-Pre101: I assume it too, but that would a good upper bound, I think
Aug 26 13:02:39 <swisstomcat> if verizon phases out the pre plus by october then the announcement should be earlier than that
Aug 26 13:03:45 <madnificent> swisstomcat: I don't think we're going to see one phone to be honoust
Aug 26 13:04:42 <swisstomcat> two?
Aug 26 13:04:50 <swisstomcat> and then the tablet
Aug 26 13:04:58 <swisstomcat> and then the reworked touchscreen printer
Aug 26 13:05:12 <swisstomcat> one app for several device types .. cool
Aug 26 13:05:17 <madnificent> unless the first one is really something you'd want, I'd wait out for the next few that come round.  If hp wants to compete, they'll likely launch 3 to 8 new phones with roughly a 3 to 4-month interval (estimations/guesses)
Aug 26 13:06:23 <swisstomcat> 3-8 phones? that doesn't make sense
Aug 26 13:06:28 <swisstomcat> 2-3 max i'd say
Aug 26 13:06:36 <swisstomcat> one tablet .. or two
Aug 26 13:06:46 <madnificent> swisstomcat: I doubt it, they're going to compete on multiple markets, I think
Aug 26 13:06:54 <swisstomcat> simplify it for the user ... one or 2 phones to pick from
Aug 26 13:07:09 <madnificent> hp has two faces, a consumer face and a company face, I'm guessing they want to integrate it on both fronts
Aug 26 13:07:29 <madnificent> hence, differentiation
Aug 26 13:07:43 <swisstomcat> pixi 2 business, pixi 2 consumer, pre 2 consumer, pre supersonic geeks?
Aug 26 13:08:04 <swisstomcat> and each gsm/cdma
Aug 26 13:08:06 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 26 13:08:13 <swisstomcat> 8
Aug 26 13:08:24 <madnificent> you may be right too... I don't have _any_ information
Aug 26 13:08:45 <madnificent> but that would be my bet if I were hp... though I'd have a very hard time to argue about only releasing a couple of phones
Aug 26 13:08:56 <madnificent> it's a perfectly sane option as well
Aug 26 13:09:25 * madnificent wonders
Aug 26 13:09:27 <swisstomcat> i don't have any information as well
Aug 26 13:09:48 <swisstomcat> develops apps and be ready for the flood of devices .. best thing to do
Aug 26 13:09:59 <madnificent> LoL
Aug 26 13:10:10 <madnificent> either case, I'm quite happy with the pre
Aug 26 13:10:20 <swisstomcat> me too
Aug 26 13:10:43 <swisstomcat> it could be a big bigger/faster ... some features of webOS 2.0 included .. other than that, very happy
Aug 26 13:10:49 <swisstomcat> s/big/bit
Aug 26 13:11:00 <swisstomcat> app dev is very easy
Aug 26 13:11:04 <madnificent> on that front, the pre could be come the cheap brother for the sub 200$ smartphones... I don't know how much the hardware of the pre costs
Aug 26 13:11:27 <swisstomcat> was there ever a report by isupply about the manuf cost?
Aug 26 13:11:30 <madnificent> the api should be extended, but that's something well certainly see in the future
Aug 26 13:11:42 <swisstomcat> it will, it's been already announced back in april
Aug 26 13:11:54 <madnificent> 170$ in april 2009
Aug 26 13:12:09 <swisstomcat> less by now
Aug 26 13:12:34 <swisstomcat> next version will bring: js-services,microphone api, bluetooth api,db8 database engine,...
Aug 26 13:13:09 <madnificent> exciting :)
Aug 26 13:13:18 <madnificent> either case, I must start studying, I have an exam tomorow
Aug 26 13:15:01 <bhodder> what you studing madnificent
Aug 26 13:22:00 <madnificent> bhodder: computer sciences
Aug 26 13:22:12 <bhodder> oh cool
Aug 26 13:23:41 <madnificent> if only it were less java-centered
Aug 26 13:24:56 <swisstomcat> schools seem to be java centered
Aug 26 13:25:10 <swisstomcat> and that leads to android
Aug 26 13:25:41 <madnificent> it leads to sub-par courses
Aug 26 13:26:36 <madnificent> things like TCP has a synchronous write and an asynchronous read.  No it doesn't TCP doesn't have anything like that.  Whether or not it is synchronous depends on your library.
Aug 26 13:27:16 <madnificent> but well, the course says it's synchronous, so that's what you must remember
Aug 26 13:30:26 <bhodder> yikes they really should watch that
Aug 26 13:37:55 <swisstomcat> wow! just created my first android app .. in like 10 minutes
Aug 26 13:38:01 <swisstomcat> using javascript
Aug 26 13:38:53 <bhodder> really that seams quick
Aug 26 13:39:22 <swisstomcat> well, i modified a sample
Aug 26 13:39:36 <swisstomcat> i'm using appcelerator titanium
Aug 26 13:39:43 <swisstomcat> so you can keep using javascript
Aug 26 13:41:25 <HattCzech_work> morning all
Aug 26 13:42:17 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 26 13:42:31 <bhodder> NICE
Aug 26 13:42:34 <bhodder> MORNING
Aug 26 13:42:38 <HattCzech_work> so swisstomcat, on-screen text for pdk = HORRIBLE!
Aug 26 13:42:48 <swisstomcat> :(
Aug 26 13:42:54 <swisstomcat> html is much easier
Aug 26 13:43:03 <HattCzech_work> took me like 3 hours, and it still looks crappy
Aug 26 13:43:07 <HattCzech_work> indeed it is
Aug 26 13:43:11 <sugardave> swisstomcat: how do you like titanium?
Aug 26 13:44:08 <swisstomcat> so far so good .. i modified a sample to display a list and to get data from an json-file via http .. worked after 10minutes
Aug 26 13:44:40 <HattCzech_work> titanium?
Aug 26 13:44:50 <swisstomcat> appcelerator.com
Aug 26 13:45:12 <sugardave> cool...does it output for iOS as well?
Aug 26 13:45:13 <swisstomcat> var xhr = Titanium.Network.createHTTPClient();
Aug 26 13:45:13 <swisstomcat> xhr.onload = function()
Aug 26 13:45:13 <swisstomcat> {
Aug 26 13:45:13 <swisstomcat>     tableView = Ti.UI.createTableView();
Aug 26 13:45:13 <swisstomcat>     var data = JSON.parse(this.responseText);
Aug 26 13:45:13 <swisstomcat> ...
Aug 26 13:45:17 <bmyers> better than phonegap?
Aug 26 13:45:26 <swisstomcat> haven't played with phonegap yet
Aug 26 13:45:30 <HattCzech_work> ahhh, the android stuff you were talking about?
Aug 26 13:45:37 <swisstomcat> yeah, ios works too apparently .. but i've got no mac to test
Aug 26 13:45:38 <swisstomcat> yeah
Aug 26 13:45:51 <sugardave> interesting...been thinking about it
Aug 26 13:46:17 <swisstomcat> it's basically using TI widgets and functions instead of using Mojo-Functions/Widgets
Aug 26 13:46:23 <swisstomcat> but the rest is javascript
Aug 26 13:47:02 <sugardave> are you using the free one?
Aug 26 13:47:07 <swisstomcat> yeah, so far
Aug 26 13:47:15 <swisstomcat> on linux even
Aug 26 13:47:27 <sugardave> nice
Aug 26 13:47:52 <swisstomcat> webos,android: win/mac/linux ios: mac wp7: win
Aug 26 13:47:58 <bmyers> i tried messing with phonegap but then went on vacation..
Aug 26 13:48:02 <bmyers> should try TI
Aug 26 13:48:08 <sugardave> morning bmyers
Aug 26 13:48:23 <bmyers> hi sugardave .. i assume you have no class this morning?
Aug 26 13:49:14 <sugardave> that would be every day ;)
Aug 26 13:49:22 <sugardave> but I have to teach this morning and tomorrow
Aug 26 13:49:54 <bmyers> ah ha.. what do you teach?
Aug 26 13:51:00 <sugardave> for the last 2 years I've only been working with this one product.  It's called Tivoli Access Manager for Enterprise Single Sign-On
Aug 26 13:51:17 <LoneStar99> moring all
Aug 26 13:51:26 <LoneStar99> tivoli --> IBM
Aug 26 13:51:27 <bmyers> sugardave:  tape backup stuff?
Aug 26 13:51:47 <sugardave> bmyers: oh no, desktop security/credential management
Aug 26 13:52:07 <sugardave> you're thinking of Tivoli Storage Manager or one of its various sub-products
Aug 26 13:52:10 <HattCzech_work> i've heard of tivoli
Aug 26 13:52:26 <bmyers> neato sugardave .. you wear many hats
Aug 26 13:52:41 <sugardave> I'm an interesting guy :D
Aug 26 13:53:04 <bmyers> and first to say, modest too..
Aug 26 13:53:11 <LoneStar99> i saw that regelo hit the app store
Aug 26 13:53:12 <sugardave> indeed
Aug 26 13:53:22 <sugardave> modest to a damn fault, some would say :P
Aug 26 13:53:26 <bmyers> #1 in modesty...
Aug 26 13:53:53 <LoneStar99> next release will add spanish translation, and can help with a UI rework --> but some may not like my style --> http://uoid.me/bc3
Aug 26 13:53:59 <sugardave> LoneStar99: Relego is in the non-beta catalog?
Aug 26 13:54:02 <sugardave> interesting
Aug 26 13:54:06 <LoneStar99> yeah
Aug 26 13:54:18 <LoneStar99> well it maybe beta....
Aug 26 13:54:21 <sugardave> I think there might still be some bugs in it :D
Aug 26 13:54:35 <LoneStar99> found it in "app cat" app
Aug 26 13:54:40 <sugardave> oh
Aug 26 13:54:43 <sugardave> probably still beta
Aug 26 13:55:10 <LoneStar99> 1,084 downloads apparently
Aug 26 13:55:22 <swisstomcat> cool
Aug 26 13:55:41 <LoneStar99> is your app still in beata sugardave?
Aug 26 13:55:49 <sugardave> it's ready for someone to write the offline reader...page caching mechanism is already in place
Aug 26 13:55:55 <sugardave> LoneStar99: the flasher?
Aug 26 13:55:56 <sugardave> yeah
Aug 26 13:56:03 <swisstomcat> sugardave: care to look at part 2 of my webos dev article?
Aug 26 13:56:04 <sugardave> I'm working on a style update atm
Aug 26 13:56:17 <LoneStar99> sugardave: it was a ncaa app?
Aug 26 13:56:33 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I can't do it right now, about to start up class.  But if you want to send it to me, I can take a look at it later
Aug 26 13:56:44 <swisstomcat> sugardave: sure .. appreciated
Aug 26 13:56:48 <sugardave> LoneStar99: it has the NCAA schools with FBS football teams right now
Aug 26 13:56:52 <LoneStar99> "ihavesprit"  is still in the beta feed?
Aug 26 13:56:56 <sugardave> yeah
Aug 26 13:56:56 <bmyers> (when he no class)
Aug 26 13:57:11 <bmyers> (has)
Aug 26 13:57:36 <LoneStar99> sugardave: my app has a bug then, it should have "beta" next to listing...  will fix that today and release it
Aug 26 13:57:54 <sugardave> ah
Aug 26 13:58:00 <sugardave> yeah it's still beta for sure
Aug 26 14:00:23 <LoneStar99> sugardave: ok then regelo is probably still in beta feed, I need to fix a bug...
Aug 26 14:15:19 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: since you seem to be excellent at finding information in the dev forums... do you know of ANOTHER way to do text in pdk apps? possibly with a texture-map?
Aug 26 14:15:29 <swisstomcat> am i? :)
Aug 26 14:15:31 <HattCzech_work> digitalpowers!
Aug 26 14:15:46 <HattCzech_work> every time i try to search the forums, i find nothing useful
Aug 26 14:15:59 <HattCzech_work> so, digitalpowers, i got that font stuff SOMEWHAT working
Aug 26 14:16:03 <HattCzech_work> and i hate it
Aug 26 14:16:33 <digitalpowers> lol sorry you hate it, what method did you end up using?
Aug 26 14:18:10 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat found this for me yesterday: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5822
Aug 26 14:18:49 <dawm> i followed that guide and got it working, but theres actually 3 types of font rendering
Aug 26 14:18:51 <HattCzech_work> i used the last thing in there
Aug 26 14:18:53 <dawm> solid, shaded and blended
Aug 26 14:18:55 <HattCzech_work> opengl
Aug 26 14:19:00 <dawm> for sdl
Aug 26 14:19:12 <HattCzech_work> i used the source from the pastebin and got it working
Aug 26 14:19:38 <HattCzech_work> digitalpowers recommended opengl for pre and pixi support
Aug 26 14:19:41 <dawm> blended works but you cant see it, except when the app is 'paused' with its display dimmed
Aug 26 14:20:24 <HattCzech_work> i can get it to display what i want... the problem is sizing it correctly and getting the position right...
Aug 26 14:20:47 <HattCzech_work> i can't do a "start at x,y" and output "Test"
Aug 26 14:20:53 <digitalpowers> yeah that is a nightmare in opengl anyways
Aug 26 14:21:01 <digitalpowers> because the view is so arbitrary
Aug 26 14:21:15 <HattCzech_work> yeah
Aug 26 14:21:30 <HattCzech_work> so you have to scale it, translate it, then you can output it
Aug 26 14:21:59 <HattCzech_work> at this point, i'd love to have a texture-mapped font
Aug 26 14:22:19 <swisstomcat> hattczech: i only found that post so far ... and search in the developer forum is broken :(
Aug 26 14:22:28 <HattCzech_work> like quake or quake2 style
Aug 26 14:22:34 <dawm> swiss, it works but only in certain areas
Aug 26 14:22:52 <dawm> like the main forum page, and the bottom of the category page
Aug 26 14:23:24 <swisstomcat> yeah, it searches differntly depending where you search from
Aug 26 14:29:36 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech_work: Well, make sure you document what you do find on webos101.com!
Aug 26 14:29:56 <HattCzech_work> yeah, cuz this is crazy
Aug 26 14:30:25 <Roy-Pre101> Also, does anyone know why this doesn't work in this multi-stage app?
Aug 26 14:30:39 <Roy-Pre101>    if(Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().topScene() === this.controller)
Aug 26 14:31:12 <Roy-Pre101> Oh... I bet I know.
Aug 26 14:31:20 <Roy-Pre101> because TopScene isn't what I want.
Aug 26 14:31:47 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone know how to get the -bottommost- scene?
Aug 26 14:32:16 <Roy-Pre101> Or to find out what the parent scene is?
Aug 26 14:32:29 <Roy-Pre101> I bet it's on webos101.com!
Aug 26 14:33:12 <Roy-Pre101> hmm, it's not!
Aug 26 14:33:43 <Roy-Pre101> getScenes[0]
Aug 26 14:33:57 <Roy-Pre101> Mojo.Controller.StageController.getScenes()[0]
Aug 26 14:36:05 <dpitkin> hello
Aug 26 14:40:40 <Roy-Pre101> hello dpitkin
Aug 26 14:41:06 <dpitkin> I just loaded up my at&t pre with homebrew and am diving into webos :)
Aug 26 14:41:33 <Roy-Pre101> woohoo!
Aug 26 14:42:03 <dpitkin> Am I right in the fact that at&t is behind a version or 2
Aug 26 14:42:10 <dpitkin> from the other providers?
Aug 26 14:44:49 <swisstomcat> bbl
Aug 26 14:53:47 <bhodder> bbl
Aug 26 14:56:03 <bmyers> Roy-Pre101:  webos101.com has lots of useful info that we get tired of answering here. Every seen it?
Aug 26 14:56:12 <bmyers> :)
Aug 26 14:58:27 <Roy-Pre101> bmyers: Hmm, sounds familiar...
Aug 26 14:58:53 <bmyers> its a real nice site.. dang handy....
Aug 26 14:59:35 <bmyers> did u find your lost scene?
Aug 26 15:03:15 <maik> ahoy
Aug 26 15:04:04 <Roy-Pre101> Oh yes.
Aug 26 15:04:22 <Roy-Pre101> writing a new snippet on it.
Aug 26 15:04:42 <bmyers> Roy-Pre101:  prolly found it in the last place you looked right. always happens that way..
Aug 26 15:05:08 <Roy-Pre101> Oddly, it was in the first place I looked, too.  Just had to look again.
Aug 26 15:16:05 <Robdor> Morning all
Aug 26 15:17:40 <bmyers> $L(Salutation) to you Robdor
Aug 26 15:17:59 <Roy-Pre101> Sheesh, FailBlog videos crash my browser a lot.
Aug 26 15:18:22 <bmyers> maybe there is a loose nut behind the keyboard..
Aug 26 15:19:01 <Roy-Pre101> could be
Aug 26 15:42:27 <Boopop> Ahoyhoy
Aug 26 15:42:43 <Boopop> Just tried 1Ghz on UK...didn't seem worth the extra heat really
Aug 26 15:42:55 <Boopop> couldn't tell too much difference between 500mhz and 1ghz =/
Aug 26 15:43:19 <codeslaw_> i'm at 800, and it's a big diff in PDK apps
Aug 26 15:44:01 <Boopop> Don't use any PDK apps currently I don't think :P
Aug 26 15:49:49 <sugardave> the birds...they are angry
Aug 26 15:50:12 <codeslaw_> i am also angry
Aug 26 15:50:36 <maik> grrrangry boids
Aug 26 15:50:36 <codeslaw_> i submitted a major update to my app, including renaming it Songwave Drum Machine, to make it more clear about the functionality
Aug 26 15:50:47 <codeslaw_> submitted on monday
Aug 26 15:50:47 <maik> sweet!
Aug 26 15:50:56 <codeslaw_> and i get dropped in at 33rd on the list of new apps
Aug 26 15:51:02 * sugardave is starting world 2 today.
Aug 26 15:51:02 <maik> eesh
Aug 26 15:51:09 <sugardave> codeslaw_: that's lame
Aug 26 15:51:10 <codeslaw_> with two terrible drum kit clones above me
Aug 26 15:51:19 <codeslaw_> talk about killing the hype
Aug 26 15:52:28 <maik> what happened to World 1 ?
Aug 26 15:52:43 <LoneStar99> codeslaw_:  my new app got rejected, then took 2 weeks to clear up and finally get on the app catalog, by then the web distro version was 2 updates ahead...
Aug 26 15:53:00 <codeslaw_> LoneStar99: that sucks man
Aug 26 15:53:11 <LoneStar99> but the good thing is finally got on the app cat, so it's all good
Aug 26 15:53:17 <codeslaw_> what's it called?
Aug 26 15:53:35 <LoneStar99> bob chatter --> IM/ Chat app
Aug 26 15:53:45 <codeslaw_> oh ya i saw it on the list
Aug 26 15:53:57 <maik> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/26/server_shooting/
Aug 26 15:54:21 <LoneStar99> codeslaw: i think a new update was pushed today,
Aug 26 15:54:49 <LoneStar99> codeslaw_:  the list you saw was it the "latest app" for today?
Aug 26 15:54:58 <codeslaw_> ya think so
Aug 26 15:54:58 <LoneStar99> sorry "latest apps"
Aug 26 15:55:07 <LoneStar99> is it live yet?
Aug 26 15:55:24 <LoneStar99> checked 2 hours ago, and still had yesterday's apps
Aug 26 15:59:32 <codeslaw_> yes its live
Aug 26 15:59:45 <codeslaw_> btw peeps, download the songwave update, its got drums now!
Aug 26 15:59:58 <codeslaw_> don't download other drum apps! =D
Aug 26 16:00:30 <maik> just updated
Aug 26 16:00:53 <codeslaw_> let me know what you think
Aug 26 16:01:03 <renegaid> there is another im app for webos?
Aug 26 16:01:44 <sugardave> no
Aug 26 16:01:46 <sugardave> there are none
Aug 26 16:01:49 <sugardave> only games
Aug 26 16:02:04 <renegaid> curretly  there is IM+, Agile and Mundu. All of them are crap
Aug 26 16:02:17 <sugardave> oh
Aug 26 16:02:28 <sugardave> I thought there were only games
Aug 26 16:02:37 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 26 16:02:54 <renegaid> i don't get what you are getting at
Aug 26 16:02:58 <halfhalo_pre> why is the damn library so far from where I parked... it's like 13 miles away
Aug 26 16:03:09 <sugardave> renegaid: right back at you
Aug 26 16:03:14 <renegaid> all i said Palm is focusing more on games than anything else
Aug 26 16:03:45 <halfhalo_pre> how so
Aug 26 16:03:51 <sugardave> and then refuse to somment when it's pointed out that it's the DEVS who make the games
Aug 26 16:03:59 <sugardave> s/somment/comment/
Aug 26 16:04:23 <halfhalo_pre> make a pdk app with libpurple
Aug 26 16:04:27 <halfhalo_pre> done
Aug 26 16:04:31 <renegaid> the api isn't there to make more functioning apps. whose fault is that?
Aug 26 16:04:47 <renegaid> for instance you cannot make an IM app that runs in the background
Aug 26 16:04:51 <sugardave> I think you don't know what you are talking about
Aug 26 16:05:09 <renegaid> I am sure you do
Aug 26 16:05:17 <sugardave> the PDK lets you write whatever you want, as long as you are bad-ass enough to get it to compile
Aug 26 16:05:36 <sugardave> I'm PRETTY SURE there are no limitations that mean one can only write games and no other app types
Aug 26 16:05:41 <sugardave> but you seem to think otherwise
Aug 26 16:06:18 <halfhalo_pre> as for background stuff, dashboard stage.  done
Aug 26 16:06:20 <LoneStar99> codeslaw_: will download your app, when i get home, do not have wifi here
Aug 26 16:06:32 <renegaid> i read the blog and they said the catalog does not support hybrid apps
Aug 26 16:06:35 <codeslaw_> werd
Aug 26 16:06:40 <sugardave> so?
Aug 26 16:06:40 <renegaid> that came directly from palm
Aug 26 16:06:44 <maik> codeslaw_: friggen awesome
Aug 26 16:06:45 <sugardave> wth does hybrid have to dfo with it?
Aug 26 16:06:58 <maik> it's no angry birds, but excellent nonetheless :)
Aug 26 16:07:00 <sugardave> I asked you last night if you think there aren't going to be hybrid game apps?
Aug 26 16:07:05 <codeslaw_> maik: sweet... can you tell the difference in audio quality?
Aug 26 16:07:11 <maik> definitely
Aug 26 16:07:27 <maik> the speaker seems to be peaking at points
Aug 26 16:07:50 <codeslaw_> hhmm... the ridiculous problem is my phone speak is broken, i can only test on headphones
Aug 26 16:07:56 <sugardave> renegaid: and I don't know where you come up with not being able to make an app that runs in the background
Aug 26 16:08:00 <sugardave> that's just
Aug 26 16:08:00 <sugardave> false
Aug 26 16:08:05 <codeslaw_> new phone coming though, i'll look into it asap
Aug 26 16:08:14 <maik> gotcha
Aug 26 16:08:25 <codeslaw_> didnt get any clipping on headphones
Aug 26 16:08:39 <LoneStar99> renegaid:  bob chatter is my rendition of what a mobile IM/ Chat client should be... built from the ground up.
Aug 26 16:08:53 <LoneStar99> renegaid: http://uoid.me/bc3
Aug 26 16:08:58 <renegaid> hmm palm has a policy regarding background apps. IM+ and mundu both run int he background on other platforms.
Aug 26 16:09:34 <chuqui> good morning all!
Aug 26 16:09:43 <codeslaw_> chuqui: good morning
Aug 26 16:09:45 <LoneStar99> renegaid: when u mean running in background, what do you mean?
Aug 26 16:09:48 <LoneStar99> hello chuqui
Aug 26 16:09:49 <codeslaw_> i emailed you twice already!
Aug 26 16:10:26 <sugardave> renegaid: the other point is that you seem to have found an area that is full of suck.  Sounds like an enterprising (and smart, too!) individual such as yourself might make a small fortune
Aug 26 16:10:28 <codeslaw_> wait, once
Aug 26 16:10:30 <sugardave> good luck!
Aug 26 16:10:39 <renegaid> palm has background operation of all active apps blocked. Background meaning you can close the card and still stay signed on
Aug 26 16:11:01 <codeslaw_> now twice
Aug 26 16:12:48 <LoneStar99> renegaid: bob chatter does that
Aug 26 16:14:05 <HattCzech_work> my pdk app isn't a game
Aug 26 16:14:09 <HattCzech_work> and it compiles :)
Aug 26 16:14:10 <sugardave> bullshit
Aug 26 16:14:14 <HattCzech_work> just doesn't work :/
Aug 26 16:14:19 <sugardave> oh
Aug 26 16:14:23 <sugardave> it's because it's not a game
Aug 26 16:14:26 <renegaid> never heard of bobchat
Aug 26 16:14:35 <sugardave> it HAS to be a game to work with the PDK
Aug 26 16:16:55 <LoneStar99> renegaid:  released it like 2+ weeks ago
Aug 26 16:17:26 <sugardave> LoneStar99: but you have to launch the card...he wants a magic app that just runs all the time with no card and no way to kill it
Aug 26 16:17:31 <sugardave> presumably to spam people with
Aug 26 16:18:20 <renegaid> somethign like an Im app is better to be able to run in the background. That is something many people complain about.
Aug 26 16:18:40 <renegaid> I am not the only one. If Palm messenger support more it wouldn't matter
Aug 26 16:19:12 <LoneStar99> sugardave: oh,  i see, an app that does not luanch a card... hmmm...
Aug 26 16:19:30 <dpitkin> can homebrew run in the backgroun? I am just learning about it
Aug 26 16:19:32 <renegaid> google chat runs in the background
Aug 26 16:19:37 <sugardave> then maybe instead of bitching to developers who only write for the platform, you might have better luck bitching to HP
Aug 26 16:19:40 <sugardave> what?
Aug 26 16:19:42 <renegaid> yahoo chat runs in the background
Aug 26 16:19:47 <sugardave> I thought you said no apps in the background?
Aug 26 16:19:51 <sugardave> hrmmm
Aug 26 16:20:00 <sugardave> that is a conundrum
Aug 26 16:20:02 <renegaid> those come built in
Aug 26 16:20:19 <renegaid> i use msn messenger
Aug 26 16:20:33 <renegaid> wife use msn messenger
Aug 26 16:20:34 <sugardave> awesome
Aug 26 16:26:04 <hotdp> Hello
Aug 26 16:26:18 <LoneStar99> hello hotdp
Aug 26 16:28:13 <hotdp> Anything new happend the last 16 days?
Aug 26 16:30:44 <codeslaw_> lots of new apps
Aug 26 16:31:30 <LoneStar99> hotdp: u where on vacation?
Aug 26 16:31:54 <hotdp> Yes where in CA
Aug 26 16:33:13 <LoneStar99> nice, socal or norcal?
Aug 26 16:33:31 <hotdp> saw the apps when i had net, have downloaded Angry Birds ;)
Aug 26 16:33:33 <LoneStar99> will be back in CA on oct 13th...
Aug 26 16:33:47 <hotdp> what up the 14th?
Aug 26 16:33:50 <hotdp> 13*
Aug 26 16:33:58 <LoneStar99> moving back to SD
Aug 26 16:34:00 <LoneStar99> sna diego
Aug 26 16:34:30 <hotdp> ahh yes i remember :)
Aug 26 16:36:22 <LoneStar99> still have not had time to plan anything (housing, etc) , but got a flight =)
Aug 26 16:37:30 <LoneStar99> hotdp: where in CA u at?
Aug 26 16:39:20 <HattCzech_work> oh, now my app just wants to irritate me
Aug 26 16:39:37 <HattCzech_work> FINALLY got on-screen text input working... and it craps out at random intervals :/
Aug 26 16:40:56 <dawm|laptop> oh yeah?
Aug 26 16:41:13 <dawm|laptop> my app crashes if i hit random keys.. for no reason ;p
Aug 26 16:41:26 <hotdp> LoneStar99. San francisco, L.A and some small citis
Aug 26 16:41:54 <dawm|laptop> do sdl apps work on the emulator? cause im really getting sick of hooking up my pre and it locking up hardcore on a crash
Aug 26 16:42:16 <codeslaw_> dawm: not the emulator, you can compile for windows or mac though and run it on your machine
Aug 26 16:42:26 <codeslaw_> but the PDK does not compile for windows or mac
Aug 26 16:42:32 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, i wonder if it's because i'm filling up memory... :/
Aug 26 16:42:35 <dawm|laptop> what works on my mac doesnt always work on the device
Aug 26 16:42:42 <codeslaw_> ya exactly
Aug 26 16:44:34 <HattCzech_work> okay, back to not working... excellent
Aug 26 16:46:29 <LoneStar99> hotdp:  nice, have a nice time!  drinks some cold ones!
Aug 26 16:46:36 <dawm|laptop> my last gripe was the SDL_RenderTextBlended (anti-aliased text) doesnt show in the app unless its in card mode & paused
Aug 26 16:47:05 <LoneStar99> does palm offer a dev device?
Aug 26 16:47:27 <dawm|laptop> ill have one as soon as the next device comes out :P
Aug 26 16:47:39 <dawm|laptop> the pre will get permanent desk duty
Aug 26 16:47:47 <sugardave> haha
Aug 26 16:48:36 <sugardave> I still have my Treo 755p for geocaching (though I haven't done any in a while)...I can't wait for some lower-level BT access so we can use better GPS receivers
Aug 26 16:49:00 <dawm|laptop> will be nice to use the phone as a PS3 remote
Aug 26 16:49:08 <sugardave> ooo, yeah
Aug 26 16:49:24 <dawm|laptop> ive got too many remotes ;p
Aug 26 16:49:36 <hotdp> LoneStar99, i am back home now :(
Aug 26 16:49:44 <sugardave> okay, naplunch time
Aug 26 16:49:56 <dawm|laptop> tv, dvr, xbox360, ps3, and i think i still have one for xbox1
Aug 26 16:50:12 <hotdp> dawm, is there many who gonna make that remote for ps3?
Aug 26 16:50:23 <hotdp> because i wanna do it :)
Aug 26 16:50:32 <dawm|laptop> i dunno, but if we get better BT support it could be possible
Aug 26 16:50:37 <hotdp> I know
Aug 26 16:50:42 <hotdp> I am just waiting
Aug 26 16:50:52 <hotdp> have made one for MCE
Aug 26 16:51:01 <dawm|laptop> Im surprised no one has used the line from RoboCop for marketing or anything for apps..
Aug 26 16:51:03 <hotdp> So just waiting for the bt update
Aug 26 16:51:13 <dawm|laptop> 'I'll buy that for a dollar.. ahahaha'
Aug 26 16:52:05 <dawm|laptop> i wish i had a mac desktop rather than a notebook, i think i could get more done honestly. and im not putting VC++ on my PC..
Aug 26 16:54:57 <LoneStar99> had not used dreamweaver in months... great for table html stuff
Aug 26 16:55:30 <dawm|laptop> i use notepad for table stuff ;p
Aug 26 16:55:48 <dawm|laptop> havent used a WYSIWYG in many many years
Aug 26 16:58:03 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop: i usually use komodo , but designed a business website using tables, on dreamweaver... tables are weird...
Aug 26 16:58:17 <dawm|laptop> yeah i use komodo
Aug 26 16:59:19 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop: about 2 years ago i was still using tables, and would use table, inside table, inside table... very messy shit
Aug 26 16:59:44 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 26 17:01:13 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop:  yeah not nice to look at or better yet edit
Aug 26 17:02:44 <dawm|laptop> i hope the new phone has a dock or something magical that makes the touchstone a dock
Aug 26 17:02:50 <dawm|laptop> i hate pluggin in the usb cord
Aug 26 17:05:53 <haeffb> i hope the new phone is
Aug 26 17:06:05 <haeffb> that's it, just is.
Aug 26 17:06:29 <dawm|laptop> maybe they will have an addon for the touchstone called a SyncStone :P
Aug 26 17:06:47 <haeffb> wait, don't all stones sync?
Aug 26 17:07:02 <dawm|laptop> lol
Aug 26 17:07:05 <halfhalo_pre>   /rimshot
Aug 26 17:07:08 <dawm|laptop> pumice doesnt
Aug 26 17:07:16 <dawm|laptop> but im not sure if its really considered a stone
Aug 26 17:07:20 <haeffb> mah. not a stone, then.
Aug 26 17:07:28 <haeffb> by my definition, all stones sync.
Aug 26 17:07:33 <madnificent> touchstone + bluetooth -> sync
Aug 26 17:07:43 <dawm|laptop> yah syncstone ;P
Aug 26 17:07:43 <LoneStar99> anyone know if I have a free web distro app, can it be converted to a free "app catalog" app?
Aug 26 17:07:43 <halfhalo_pre> yup
Aug 26 17:07:53 <halfhalo_pre> yes
Aug 26 17:09:58 <dawm|laptop> getting my house tomorrow ;D sucks tho cause now ill have even more stuff to do/worry about
Aug 26 17:11:28 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop: it will be al'right, BBQs in the backyard, etc...
Aug 26 17:12:28 <dawm|laptop> ive got a new web community to take on (took over so it didnt go byebye), apps im working on, the whole house thing and getting stuff moved and utilities, and then theres work
Aug 26 17:12:35 <dawm|laptop> oh and have to buy furniture too
Aug 26 17:12:55 <halfhalo_pre> no you dont
Aug 26 17:13:04 <halfhalo_pre> that's what crowbars are for
Aug 26 17:13:30 <dawm|laptop> no, ive got IKEA :P
Aug 26 17:15:16 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop:  i hear you, soon will be starting from scratch, leaving texas with a backpack, laptop, and one bag of clothing
Aug 26 17:15:37 <LoneStar99> maybe a kindle =)
Aug 26 17:15:37 <dawm|laptop> no ipod?
Aug 26 17:15:47 <LoneStar99> gave my ipod touch away
Aug 26 17:15:51 <bmyers> LS you should learn to travel more lightly
Aug 26 17:16:17 <LoneStar99> bmyers:  lo, laptop, goes in my backpack
Aug 26 17:16:20 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 26 17:16:52 <LoneStar99> so 2 bags --> is all that is going on my move back to San Diego
Aug 26 17:17:05 <bmyers> got a job lined up yet?
Aug 26 17:17:15 <LoneStar99> bmyers:  nope
Aug 26 17:17:56 <bmyers> good for you. jobs are over-rated anyway.. like eating every day..
Aug 26 17:18:46 <LoneStar99> bmyers:  have a few projects lined up, so that is good, and can be anywhere
Aug 26 17:19:14 <bmyers> can you be in a cabin in the woods with no power or internet connection?
Aug 26 17:20:23 <LoneStar99> will be taking enough cash, for a few months rent, utilities,  and for "some cold ones"
Aug 26 17:21:42 <bmyers> well have fun with it. when are you heading out that way?
Aug 26 17:22:07 <LoneStar99> 1.5 months
Aug 26 17:22:44 <LoneStar99> lived out there for 8 years, just going back the same way i left, with 2 bags
Aug 26 17:23:39 <bmyers> yeah but the memories... those you carry for free..
Aug 26 17:23:47 <bmyers> haeffb: is here?
Aug 26 17:24:58 <LoneStar99> yeah
Aug 26 17:25:18 <LoneStar99> oh forgot, taking my palm pre with =)
Aug 26 17:25:52 <bmyers> of course.
Aug 26 17:33:51 <bmyers> haeffb_pre: !!
Aug 26 17:34:02 <kesne> Hey all
Aug 26 17:34:25 <bmyers> $L(Salutations)
Aug 26 17:35:00 <haeffb_pre> nice
Aug 26 17:42:37 <dawm|laptop> funny
Aug 26 17:42:49 <dawm|laptop> i compiled and packaged up the tiltodemo, but it crashes on the device ;p
Aug 26 17:46:09 <dawm|laptop> nvm i had a typo in the package script i had to make for mac
Aug 26 17:48:05 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, more fun with pdk text...
Aug 26 17:48:22 <HattCzech_work> multiple lines = not good
Aug 26 17:48:39 <dawm|laptop> heh
Aug 26 17:49:01 <HattCzech_work> it has a block instead of a new line :/
Aug 26 17:49:02 <dawm|laptop> i dunno about ogl but i know sdl has fucntions to determine size of the rendered text
Aug 26 17:49:19 <dawm|laptop> maybe you need \n\r
Aug 26 17:49:27 <dawm|laptop> or \lf
Aug 26 17:49:31 <dawm|laptop> whichever it is
Aug 26 17:49:33 <HattCzech_work> i'll try it, but we shall see
Aug 26 17:49:42 <dawm|laptop> or \eol
Aug 26 17:51:32 <HattCzech_work> nope... none of those
Aug 26 17:51:42 <HattCzech_work> i'm thinking i'm going to have to parse it and split it myself :(
Aug 26 17:55:47 <LoneStar99> this is weird http://uoid.me/weird1
Aug 26 17:58:22 <LoneStar99> "Facebook Says It Owns "Book" --> what a sham
Aug 26 18:03:36 <halfhalo_T400> xchat is weird...
Aug 26 18:04:43 <LoneStar99> xchat is *nix based?
Aug 26 18:04:49 <halfhalo_T400> si
Aug 26 18:04:58 <LoneStar99> shell?
Aug 26 18:05:16 <halfhalo_T400> nah, gui
Aug 26 18:05:22 <HattCzech_work> interface: good enough...
Aug 26 18:05:29 <HattCzech_work> now to get the back-end fully functional
Aug 26 18:05:35 <halfhalo_T400> I miss adium or trillian...
Aug 26 18:06:31 <halfhalo_T400> This is a really light netbook though...
Aug 26 18:06:34 <HattCzech_work> anyone have a pixi and willing to test something for me?
Aug 26 18:06:44 <halfhalo_T400> not a great battery with linux, but meh
Aug 26 18:06:45 <LoneStar99> no pixi here =(
Aug 26 18:06:54 <HattCzech_work> too bad swisstomcat isn't around, i know he just got one :)
Aug 26 18:08:43 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: what is it?
Aug 26 18:08:52 <pandora--> could maybe use my wife's pixi
Aug 26 18:08:58 <HattCzech_work> i just want to test interface stuff on the pixi
Aug 26 18:09:06 <HattCzech_work> yeah, that would be cool
Aug 26 18:09:10 <HattCzech_work> it doesn't do anything yet
Aug 26 18:09:18 <pandora--> why not test in the emu?
Aug 26 18:09:29 <HattCzech_work> pdk app
Aug 26 18:09:41 <pandora--> ah
Aug 26 18:09:50 <pandora--> i thought pdk apps don't work on pixi?
Aug 26 18:09:54 <pandora--> or just some?
Aug 26 18:11:25 <HattCzech_work> just some
Aug 26 18:11:28 <HattCzech_work> that's what i want to find out
Aug 26 18:11:59 <dawm|laptop> hrm.. my images and antialiased text only appear when the app is in cardmode&paused
Aug 26 18:12:00 <dawm|laptop> wtf
Aug 26 18:12:24 <halfhalo_T400> hah
Aug 26 18:12:29 <halfhalo_T400> Its oils fault
Aug 26 18:13:02 <dawm|laptop> my code is a stripped down tiltodemo
Aug 26 18:13:07 <dawm|laptop> with added pause recognition
Aug 26 18:13:10 <Nyceane> hey guys
Aug 26 18:13:18 <Nyceane> the pdk hot app is completely messed up lol
Aug 26 18:13:34 <Nyceane> the ladder doesn't reflect the real # of apps
Aug 26 18:13:59 <dawm|laptop> the pdk contest has been fail from day one ;p
Aug 26 18:14:10 <halfhalo_T400> yeah...
Aug 26 18:14:16 <halfhalo_T400> not like I care, but still
Aug 26 18:14:21 <Nyceane> i want my free laptop
Aug 26 18:14:24 <Nyceane> and possibly $10,000
Aug 26 18:14:26 <Nyceane> lol
Aug 26 18:15:37 <LoneStar99> i have no PDK app to enter, perhaps a hybrid, but those are not allowed =(
Aug 26 18:16:05 <sugardave> Nyceane: may I suggest you not spend $10K this time
Aug 26 18:16:12 <sugardave> and maybe you could get a phone
Aug 26 18:16:25 <HattCzech_work> LoneStar99: i wish mine were hybrid... it would make it so much easier
Aug 26 18:16:37 <HattCzech_work> i'm with sugardave on that
Aug 26 18:16:45 <Nyceane> sugardave, i m not l
Aug 26 18:16:46 <Nyceane> lol
Aug 26 18:17:03 <Nyceane> the entire ladder is completely messed up
Aug 26 18:17:08 <dawm|laptop> id like 10k
Aug 26 18:17:16 <Nyceane> i wouldnt even know if i made 1k =|
Aug 26 18:17:17 <dawm|laptop> that would pay off a good chunk of the house ;P
Aug 26 18:17:30 <dawm|laptop> actually would pay off my car
Aug 26 18:17:36 <dawm|laptop> argh this is puzzling
Aug 26 18:17:47 <dawm|laptop> my draw code doesnt change when the app is paused or in card mode..
Aug 26 18:18:00 <dawm|laptop> why does images and antialiased text only appear then
Aug 26 18:18:26 <alexfner> how are you drawing them?
Aug 26 18:19:04 <dawm|laptop> sdl
Aug 26 18:19:29 <dawm|laptop> the image is an alpha png too
Aug 26 18:19:44 <alexfner> oh
Aug 26 18:19:53 <Nyceane> i just use bmp lol
Aug 26 18:19:54 <alexfner> I couldn't say, do my drawing in openGL ES 1.1
Aug 26 18:20:31 <LoneStar99> screenshot of upcoming bob chatter "parties"  http://admin.work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/bob1032.png
Aug 26 18:20:47 <alexfner> man I was hoping to have this app done two days ago, but trying to buy a car totally distracted me from it
Aug 26 18:20:50 <alexfner> I am disappointed
Aug 26 18:20:55 <alexfner> cause car deal fell through
Aug 26 18:20:59 <LoneStar99> anyone can start a party "'freebsd, webos, beer, woman, etc...."
Aug 26 18:21:04 <alexfner> (needed repairs I didn't want to make)
Aug 26 18:21:35 <Nyceane> yah, but if you are not popular, only dudes will show up at the party
Aug 26 18:21:46 <LoneStar99> Nyceane: lol, yeah
Aug 26 18:23:00 <Nyceane> or if you are extremely powerful, then only dudes will show up at the party too =P
Aug 26 18:23:20 <kesne> names are important
Aug 26 18:23:28 <codeslaw_>  Nyceane what is your pdk app
Aug 26 18:23:50 <LoneStar99> party all the time!
Aug 26 18:23:55 <halfhalo_T400> what car?
Aug 26 18:24:48 <kesne> Make sure that your listener isn't calling "ChatListTap" when you defined the function as "ChatListTapped"
Aug 26 18:24:53 <kesne> Makes everything break
Aug 26 18:25:36 <alexfner> so you're saying that these parties that I host where only dudes are showing up, that means that I am not powerful?
Aug 26 18:25:40 <dawm|laptop> so frustrating.. got sound working.. and got images (altho only in card mode). .
Aug 26 18:25:54 <Nyceane> codeslaw_, http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.paschardemo.dogwhisper
Aug 26 18:26:38 <Nyceane> if i win, i promise i'll buy myself a pre this time lol
Aug 26 18:26:41 <codeslaw_> have you told them its not being listed?
Aug 26 18:26:53 <Nyceane> it just got there today
Aug 26 18:26:57 <LoneStar99> kesne: "ChatListTap"
Aug 26 18:26:59 <LoneStar99> ??
Aug 26 18:27:12 <Nyceane> codeslaw_, do you have 1.4.5?
Aug 26 18:27:17 <codeslaw_> ya
Aug 26 18:27:31 <Nyceane> its not listed on palmhot apps yet, i duno why...
Aug 26 18:27:37 <codeslaw_> how many dls?
Aug 26 18:27:45 <kesne> LoneStar99: Long story, heh
Aug 26 18:27:47 <Nyceane> more than my other app, kryptonite
Aug 26 18:27:47 <dawm|laptop> 1467
Aug 26 18:28:03 <dawm|laptop> er 1468
Aug 26 18:28:07 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 26 18:28:08 <Nyceane> it was just published to the market today
Aug 26 18:28:14 <codeslaw_> oh word
Aug 26 18:28:16 <Nyceane> lol =)
Aug 26 18:28:32 <Nyceane> i have one app that has over 100,000 downloads on it now
Aug 26 18:28:38 <dawm|laptop> doesnt work tho
Aug 26 18:28:43 <Nyceane> really?
Aug 26 18:28:48 <dawm|laptop> i have 2 dogs and 1 cat and no reaction
Aug 26 18:28:54 <codeslaw_> which app has 100k
Aug 26 18:29:17 <Nyceane> Audio Blaster
Aug 26 18:29:27 <Nyceane> not a pdk app
Aug 26 18:30:25 <dawm|laptop> omg dude
Aug 26 18:30:27 <dawm|laptop> fix that app
Aug 26 18:30:32 <Nyceane> which one?
Aug 26 18:30:36 <dawm|laptop> dogwhisper
Aug 26 18:30:43 <Nyceane> what do i need to fix?
Aug 26 18:30:44 <dawm|laptop> it uses more cpu when in card mode than it does fullscreen
Aug 26 18:30:53 <dawm|laptop> you need to make it idle
Aug 26 18:31:06 <Nyceane> how do i do that?
Aug 26 18:31:08 <dawm|laptop> its a 92% cpu and its in card mode
Aug 26 18:31:22 <dawm|laptop> 72% when fullscreen
Aug 26 18:32:03 <dawm|laptop> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8206
Aug 26 18:32:24 <dawm|laptop> ben's article on making apps idle better
Aug 26 18:33:04 <dawm|laptop> i wish i could fix this image issue, maybe ill try a non alpha image.. altho this image is the same one that works in the tiltodemo
Aug 26 18:33:24 <dawm|laptop> oh wait.. maybe its using ogl
Aug 26 18:34:48 <dawm|laptop> hah the tiltodemo doesnt work in SDL mode..
Aug 26 18:36:07 <Nyceane> wow
Aug 26 18:36:13 <Nyceane> didnt really know that
Aug 26 18:36:30 <Nyceane> nice one dawm, i'll change that in next 2 udpates
Aug 26 18:36:39 <Nyceane> next update is already in queue to fix the looping
Aug 26 18:37:15 <Nyceane> dawm, the bottom of that page is the working code, right?
Aug 26 18:43:47 <HattCzech_work> dawm|laptop: how do i check cpu usage on the phone?
Aug 26 18:44:02 <DThought> HattCzech_work: terminal + top *guess*
Aug 26 18:44:06 <dawm|laptop> you have to run the app
Aug 26 18:44:13 <dawm|laptop> and ssh in or use novaterm or whatever
Aug 26 18:44:15 <dawm|laptop> and run top
Aug 26 18:44:17 <HattCzech_work> right...
Aug 26 18:44:22 <dawm|laptop> top
Aug 26 18:44:25 <HattCzech_work> just 'top' ?
Aug 26 18:44:26 <dawm|laptop> its like taskmanager
Aug 26 18:44:30 <dawm|laptop> yeh top
Aug 26 18:44:36 <DThought> ssh is better, yeah ;)
Aug 26 18:44:42 <dawm|laptop> youll also see how much memory your using
Aug 26 18:44:53 <dawm|laptop> RES = the memory usage
Aug 26 18:44:56 <dawm|laptop> CPU = cpu usage
Aug 26 18:45:37 <dawm|laptop> whats the SSHOT keycombo
Aug 26 18:45:41 <dawm|laptop> opt+sym+p ?
Aug 26 18:47:37 <codeslaw_> yes
Aug 26 18:47:50 <codeslaw_> does not work with pdk
Aug 26 18:47:54 <dawm|laptop> yeah i know
Aug 26 18:47:54 <HattCzech_work> mine seems reasonable
Aug 26 18:48:01 <dawm|laptop> i have pdk sshot code :P
Aug 26 18:48:03 <HattCzech_work> no excessive cpu usage
Aug 26 18:50:18 <dawm|laptop> how about in card mode?
Aug 26 18:50:39 <dawm|laptop> interesting..
Aug 26 18:50:44 <HattCzech_work> still low
Aug 26 18:50:46 <dawm|laptop> my SDL sshot shows the friggen images
Aug 26 18:50:50 <HattCzech_work> i'm just waiting for events anyway
Aug 26 18:50:56 <dawm|laptop> but i dont see them
Aug 26 18:51:04 <dawm|laptop> unless card is minimized
Aug 26 18:51:12 <HattCzech_work> that may not be the case once i get the back-end working
Aug 26 18:51:15 <HattCzech_work> but for now, it's okay
Aug 26 18:51:25 <HattCzech_work> i guess IF i get the back-end working :/
Aug 26 18:53:24 <techrush> join #seo
Aug 26 18:53:27 <techrush> oops
Aug 26 18:54:43 <dawm|laptop> see
Aug 26 18:54:44 <dawm|laptop> http://twitpic.com/2iejco
Aug 26 18:54:54 <dawm|laptop> the balls and 'Test Blended' do not normally appear
Aug 26 18:54:58 <dawm|laptop> but they do in the sshot :(
Aug 26 18:55:07 <dawm|laptop> and when in card mode
Aug 26 18:55:08 <dawm|laptop> http://twitpic.com/2iej29
Aug 26 18:59:28 <HattCzech_work> text looks better with SDL
Aug 26 18:59:55 <dawm|laptop> solid = just fg color, shaded = fg and bg color, blended = antialiased
Aug 26 19:20:50 <JenP> Hi all!
Aug 26 19:21:34 <maik> hi JenP!
Aug 26 19:21:49 <maik> bye JenP!
Aug 26 20:00:28 <dawm|laptop> daymn!
Aug 26 20:00:47 <dawm|laptop> the reworked idle code in my app.. it totally drops off top when in card mode ;D
Aug 26 20:01:52 <codeslaw_> as it should
Aug 26 20:01:59 <dawm|laptop> i know, it wasnt before ;P
Aug 26 20:03:20 <codeslaw_> how long is your delay in card mode
Aug 26 20:03:51 <dawm|laptop> no delays
Aug 26 20:04:04 <dawm|laptop> i just dont draw anything when its paused unless asked to
Aug 26 20:04:20 <dawm|laptop> basically my main loop has an if stateent if paused
Aug 26 20:04:45 <codeslaw_> ah
Aug 26 20:05:40 <dawm|laptop> so when paused all its doing is checking to see if its paused
Aug 26 20:06:17 <codeslaw_> right on
Aug 26 20:06:54 <dawm|laptop> but the app does nothing but try to show some pngs and some text rendering cause im still learning ;P
Aug 26 20:07:43 <codeslaw_> still good to be thinking about CPU time at this stage though
Aug 26 20:20:26 <dawm|laptop> hrm.. i have it set to run at 30fps but its more like 60-70 ..
Aug 26 20:25:06 <HattCzech_work> dawm|laptop: what was that link about idle?
Aug 26 20:26:07 <dawm|laptop> um
Aug 26 20:26:17 <dawm|laptop> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8206
Aug 26 20:26:23 <dawm|laptop> theres multiple examples in there
Aug 26 20:26:49 <dawm|laptop> i used what worked best with my code as it is, so i didnt have to change much, just put the bits in
Aug 26 20:27:51 <dawm|laptop> like one of them is just an if paused do nothing, else do everything
Aug 26 20:28:09 <dawm|laptop> another one sends a custom event that you look for
Aug 26 20:28:17 <dawm|laptop> i prefer the if one
Aug 26 20:29:34 <dawm|laptop> cause i can easy do drawPaused(); instead of draw();
Aug 26 20:35:42 <acidjazz> sup fellas
Aug 26 20:36:18 <LoneStar99> halo acidjazz
Aug 26 20:37:22 <HattCzech_work> that does sound the easiest
Aug 26 20:37:34 <HattCzech_work> and i was setting mine up as sceneMain() and sceneOther()
Aug 26 20:39:36 <acidjazz> i need a good example of a submenu / command menu
Aug 26 20:39:43 <acidjazz> the stylematters one sucks :/
Aug 26 20:40:32 <HattCzech_work> www.webos101.com
Aug 26 20:41:13 <acidjazz> yea im lookin at that one now
Aug 26 20:41:18 <HattCzech_work> http://www.webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Adding_icons_to_your_submenu more specifically
Aug 26 20:41:18 <acidjazz> hmm
Aug 26 20:57:53 <acidjazz> so in a submenu object
Aug 26 20:58:00 <acidjazz> how do you specify the function/whatever to be called
Aug 26 20:58:08 <acidjazz> in the menu model
Aug 26 21:00:07 <HattCzech_work> dawm|laptop: which one did you use? (code link)
Aug 26 21:00:39 <dawm|laptop> i dont know, kinda a mishmash
Aug 26 21:00:54 <dawm|laptop> but the closest would be
Aug 26 21:01:01 <dawm|laptop> http://github.com/amaranth/pdk-mainloop-example/blob/master/src/main.cpp
Aug 26 21:01:21 <dawm|laptop> thats the if (paused) do something else do the usual
Aug 26 21:01:59 <dawm|laptop> but i didnt use the FPS crap near the bottom of else {
Aug 26 21:02:24 <sugardave> acidjazz: the items/choices array (forget which one) is where you put some string that is attached to the event, then you do the normal switch(event.command) to run what you want
Aug 26 21:02:38 <acidjazz> yea but where ist hat switch
Aug 26 21:02:39 <acidjazz> like i got
Aug 26 21:02:42 <acidjazz>       {label: $L('two'), command:'two'},
Aug 26 21:02:43 <sugardave> in the model
Aug 26 21:02:46 <sugardave> command
Aug 26 21:02:49 <sugardave> that's the one
Aug 26 21:02:57 <sugardave> event.command will be 'two'
Aug 26 21:03:02 <acidjazz> oh
Aug 26 21:03:06 <acidjazz> and where is this event?
Aug 26 21:03:11 <acidjazz> i bind a function to it right?
Aug 26 21:03:23 <dawm|laptop> yeah
Aug 26 21:03:24 <sugardave> if it's a menu
Aug 26 21:03:32 <sugardave> you need to have a handleCommand for it
Aug 26 21:03:41 <sugardave> either in the stage assistant or scene assistantr
Aug 26 21:03:43 <acidjazz> is that the 2nd param
Aug 26 21:03:50 <acidjazz>   this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.commandMenu, undefined, this.commandMenuModel);
Aug 26 21:04:05 <sugardave> no, that's the attributes object
Aug 26 21:04:19 <dawm|laptop> you just need a function handleCommand
Aug 26 21:04:29 <acidjazz> oh its a predefined function?
Aug 26 21:04:44 <acidjazz> i dont specify the name handleCommand anywhere?
Aug 26 21:04:49 <sugardave> acidjazz: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1723&Itemid=70
Aug 26 21:04:52 <dawm|laptop> you do
Aug 26 21:04:58 <acidjazz> that seems odd
Aug 26 21:04:59 <acidjazz> where?
Aug 26 21:05:01 <dawm|laptop> you need to make a function called handleCommand
Aug 26 21:05:15 <acidjazz> not down w/ that bug ok
Aug 26 21:05:23 <sugardave> um
Aug 26 21:05:26 <dawm|laptop> you cant make a function?
Aug 26 21:05:30 <sugardave> that's How It Works(tm)
Aug 26 21:05:31 <LoneStar99> speak of crappy placement, my app in app catalog is last entry in "lastest" after about 100s of apps...
Aug 26 21:06:16 <acidjazz> im not down w/ this requiring a function that i cant specify
Aug 26 21:06:26 <acidjazz> what if i wanted to make other menu buttons w/ other command functions
Aug 26 21:06:41 <dawm|laptop> inside that function
Aug 26 21:06:44 <dawm|laptop> you process them all
Aug 26 21:06:49 <acidjazz> yea i understand that
Aug 26 21:06:55 <acidjazz> im just saying preference-wise
Aug 26 21:07:03 <acidjazz> i woudlnt design it that way
Aug 26 21:07:09 <dawm|laptop> well if you really want a specific fnction for each
Aug 26 21:07:16 <dawm|laptop> in handleCommand call those functions
Aug 26 21:07:19 <acidjazz> yea
Aug 26 21:07:20 <acidjazz> i know
Aug 26 21:07:21 <sugardave> you could embed it in the model
Aug 26 21:07:30 <acidjazz> thanks btw
Aug 26 21:07:32 <sugardave> but you'd still need to process it through handleCommand
Aug 26 21:07:38 <acidjazz> right thats the point
Aug 26 21:07:49 <boboysdadda> hey all. i see the uberkernel has been released now i have one question.  I am running the original 800mhz patch that had to be done through the webos quick install and the command line. can someone help me figure out how to remove that so i can get the new one?
Aug 26 21:08:00 <acidjazz> the only predefinde functinos that should exist are constructors/destructors and overloaders
Aug 26 21:08:01 <sugardave> boboysdadda: head to #webos-internals
Aug 26 21:08:13 <sugardave> what about pushScene
Aug 26 21:08:16 <sugardave> or swapScene?
Aug 26 21:08:24 <boboysdadda> kk ty
Aug 26 21:08:25 <sugardave> or any number of other functions we need for Mojo
Aug 26 21:08:53 <dawm|laptop> i dont understand how you have a gripe over a function
Aug 26 21:09:13 <dawm|laptop> wait..
Aug 26 21:09:28 <dawm|laptop> arent you the one that runs a VM inside a VM?
Aug 26 21:09:34 <sugardave> mhm
Aug 26 21:09:56 <dawm|laptop> :P
Aug 26 21:10:10 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Aug 26 21:10:36 <dawm|laptop> ugh.. wish i could get this image to load..
Aug 26 21:10:51 <sugardave> get an EVO
Aug 26 21:10:55 <sugardave> it can grant 3 wishes
Aug 26 21:10:58 <sugardave> (up to)
Aug 26 21:11:41 <dawm|laptop> oh wait..
Aug 26 21:11:45 <dawm|laptop> it kinda worked
Aug 26 21:11:52 <dawm|laptop> hrm..
Aug 26 21:12:07 <dawm|laptop> i can see the images in part of some TEXT that overlays the images
Aug 26 21:17:55 <Amaranth> dawm|laptop: Please be limiting your refresh rate in a PDK app :/
Aug 26 21:18:13 <Amaranth> dawm|laptop: Unless you like eating battery, having unstable animation, etc
Aug 26 21:18:55 <sugardave> damn, 4-20 is hard, yo
Aug 26 21:18:59 <dawm|laptop> oh i am
Aug 26 21:19:20 <dawm|laptop> i have it at 30fps but when all its doing is rendering the fps display txt its around 60-70
Aug 26 21:19:29 <dawm|laptop> as soon as i draw other things it stays near 30
Aug 26 21:19:38 <dawm|laptop> except for images
Aug 26 21:19:46 <dawm|laptop> and antialiased text
Aug 26 21:22:59 <dawm|laptop> yay!
Aug 26 21:23:06 <dawm|laptop> got the images finally and antialiased text
Aug 26 21:24:07 <dawm|laptop> it was clearing the screen with a screensized rect, but setting the color as 0, i changed that to SDL_MapRGB
Aug 26 21:24:10 <dawm|laptop> and now images appear
Aug 26 21:24:23 <LoneStar99> where can i check to see what CC i have on record with my palm profile?
Aug 26 21:24:49 <dawm|laptop> preferences accounts i think
Aug 26 21:24:52 <dawm|laptop> it shows the last 4 digits
Aug 26 21:24:55 <dawm|laptop> in the app catalog
Aug 26 21:25:07 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Aug 26 21:25:28 <dawm|laptop> App Catalog -> App Menu -> Preferences & Accounts
Aug 26 21:25:39 <dawm|laptop> shows it right under your name on the account
Aug 26 21:25:50 <dawm|laptop> like mine is MC *XXXX
Aug 26 21:28:27 <LoneStar99> ok found it,  need to update mine...
Aug 26 21:35:17 <dawm|laptop> i got NFSU for free along time ago
Aug 26 21:35:33 <dawm|laptop> my cc had changed but i forgot
Aug 26 21:36:07 <dawm|laptop> the download completed, but the transaction bounced back a day later
Aug 26 21:38:47 <acidjazz> this is odd .. so i set a this.objects in my setup function  .. it exists in another function i call via xxx.prottype.function() .. but when i call taht same function form handleCommand .. this.objects is unknown..?
Aug 26 21:50:02 <acidjazz> do i lose this in my constructors after handleCommand?? totally odd.
Aug 26 21:51:04 <dawm|laptop> no
Aug 26 21:51:22 <dawm|laptop> the menu's just call handleCommand, that is all
Aug 26 21:52:02 <dawm|laptop> saves from having to establish lots of func's and setup calls. its just a time/code saver really nothing magical
Aug 26 21:53:00 <sugardave> damn, passed this level with 1 bird and still only got **
Aug 26 21:53:10 <acidjazz> yea so
Aug 26 21:53:14 <acidjazz> what happened to my this.objects?
Aug 26 21:53:32 <acidjazz> [20100826-14:29:48.667104] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'groups' of undefined, app/assistants/groups.js:63
Aug 26 21:53:46 <acidjazz> this.objects.groups...
Aug 26 21:54:00 <acidjazz> so
Aug 26 21:54:05 <acidjazz> this is in loadGroups()
Aug 26 21:54:09 <acidjazz> that same function is ran from setup()
Aug 26 21:54:09 <sugardave> sounds like a missing bind to me
Aug 26 21:54:10 <acidjazz> and runs fine
Aug 26 21:54:26 <acidjazz> now im calling it again from handleCommand it its not there
Aug 26 21:54:43 <acidjazz>  63   for (group in this.objects.groups) count++;
Aug 26 21:54:55 <acidjazz> its not a passed in parameter :/
Aug 26 21:55:23 <acidjazz> its called from a callback inside an ajax.request sugardave but i do set a .bind on that
Aug 26 21:55:43 <acidjazz> and its in that ajax.request i :  39       this.objects = response.responseJSON;
Aug 26 21:56:13 <acidjazz> hmm
Aug 26 21:56:31 <sugardave> you bound that success handler?
Aug 26 21:56:47 <acidjazz> yea
Aug 26 21:56:55 <sugardave> bummer
Aug 26 21:57:05 <acidjazz> this.objects is used in all my button handlers in this scene
Aug 26 21:57:06 <acidjazz> works a+
Aug 26 21:57:33 <acidjazz> GroupsAssistant.prototype.groupTap = function(event) {                                                                                                         Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene({name:"group"},this.objects.groups[event.target.up().id]);
Aug 26 21:57:36 <acidjazz> etc..
Aug 26 21:59:42 <acidjazz> yeap objects is undefinde
Aug 26 22:00:04 <acidjazz> maybe assign it to GroupsAssistant.prototype.objects instead of this.objects ??
Aug 26 22:05:56 <acidjazz> ok so at least tell me this
Aug 26 22:06:06 <acidjazz> is xxx.prottype.bob == this.bob ?
Aug 26 22:06:21 <sugardave> it depends on where you use this
Aug 26 22:11:36 <dawm|laptop> hrm dunno what i did but cpu usage is down to 50% instead of 70~
Aug 26 22:13:32 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone who wants to work on Relego please send me e-mail so I can add you to the tracker.
Aug 26 22:13:48 <halfhalo_T400> tracker?!?  WHERE!?!?
Aug 26 22:15:04 <sugardave> Mant racker
Aug 26 22:15:10 <halfhalo_T400> Ewwwww
Aug 26 22:15:38 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Aug 26 22:16:01 <acidjazz> ok
Aug 26 22:16:04 <acidjazz> how about in .setpu sugardave
Aug 26 22:16:26 <sugardave> in setup, this should be referring to the constructor prototype object
Aug 26 22:16:35 <sugardave> so then this.bob
Aug 26 22:16:43 <sugardave> would be xxx.prototype.bob
Aug 26 22:17:16 <dawm|laptop> anyone know how i would compile the oauth lib for the device?
Aug 26 22:17:23 <acidjazz> ok
Aug 26 22:17:24 <acidjazz> lest try that route
Aug 26 22:17:36 <halfhalo_T400> sudo makeordienowstupidcode oauth?
Aug 26 22:18:02 <dawm|laptop> ive got some code for posting to twitter via oauth & xauth id like to see if it works
Aug 26 22:20:02 <acidjazz> maybe i need to pass/bind this in handleCommand ?
Aug 26 22:20:09 <halfhalo_T400> I prefer mytwitface.com for that stuff :p
Aug 26 22:22:16 <acidjazz> yea
Aug 26 22:22:17 <acidjazz> all my this.
Aug 26 22:22:20 <acidjazz> is gone
Aug 26 22:22:30 <acidjazz> when calling a function from handleCommand
Aug 26 22:22:34 <acidjazz> maybe im calling it wrong? :
Aug 26 22:22:39 <acidjazz> GroupsAssistant.prototype.handleCommand = function(event) { GroupsAssistant.prototype.loadGroups(event.command);
Aug 26 22:22:39 <acidjazz> };
Aug 26 22:23:48 <acidjazz> lol yuup
Aug 26 22:23:56 <acidjazz> this.loadGroups(event.command); worked
Aug 26 22:28:55 <haeffb> this refers to a specific instance of GroupsAssistant... ?
Aug 26 22:33:04 <dawm|laptop> hahaha
Aug 26 22:33:21 <dawm|laptop> was watching teen wolf and finally noticed the dude with his junk hanging out of his pants
Aug 26 22:39:30 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo: Send me e-mail address you want invite sent to.
Aug 26 22:45:05 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop:  junk in the trunk!
Aug 26 22:46:28 <Nyceane> dawm, how do i make a button on pdk?
Aug 26 22:47:34 <Nyceane> i have a really good idea that can guarentee us to get in $10,000
Aug 26 22:47:54 <Nyceane> i have half of the code converted as well, if you can just make it compile we can split =P
Aug 26 22:48:37 <halfhalo_T400> If it infolves porn WAYYYY AHEAD OF YOU
Aug 26 22:49:37 <Nyceane> it doesn't involve porn =|
Aug 26 22:50:05 <Nyceane> put it this way, its a live wall paper
Aug 26 22:51:07 <dawm> how do you make a button?
Aug 26 22:52:03 <dawm> i was just thinking about that, was gonna make an attempt at doing it in a second
Aug 26 22:54:01 <acidjazz> how would i go about verse engineering com.palm.app.facebook so taht i could see what could be passed via params:
Aug 26 22:54:39 <halfhalo_T400> become a l33t hacker
Aug 26 22:54:52 <acidjazz> is the source available/
Aug 26 22:55:17 <halfhalo_T400> its not OS
Aug 26 22:55:31 <halfhalo_T400> but its a mojo app, so the source is on the phone
Aug 26 22:55:50 <acidjazz> hmm
Aug 26 22:55:57 <acidjazz> and how do i get on the phone again? novacom?
Aug 26 22:56:05 <halfhalo_T400> yeah
Aug 26 22:56:46 <acidjazz> novaterm
Aug 26 22:56:47 <acidjazz> right
Aug 26 22:56:52 <acidjazz> how can i tell if im on the phone or the emu
Aug 26 22:57:16 <halfhalo_T400> I forgot...
Aug 26 22:57:26 <acidjazz> wehre are apps located?
Aug 26 22:58:11 <halfhalo_T400> Forgot that to, but palms apps are in a special location
Aug 26 22:58:42 <acidjazz> ./media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.facebook
Aug 26 22:58:55 <halfhalo_T400> bingo
Aug 26 23:00:07 <acidjazz> StageAssistant.prototype.startApp = function() { var launchParams = appContext().launchParams,
Aug 26 23:00:36 <acidjazz>             this.controller.pushScene('mystream', launchParams);
Aug 26 23:01:21 <acidjazz>  if (params && params.status) {
Aug 26 23:01:21 <acidjazz>             this.launchStatus = params;
Aug 26 23:01:25 <acidjazz> from mystream
Aug 26 23:08:24 <dawm|laptop> that wasnt too hard
Aug 26 23:08:28 <dawm|laptop> i made a button :P
Aug 26 23:08:54 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Aug 26 23:09:32 <dawm|laptop> but i honestly dont know how to go about making it do somethign other than noticing mouse state
Aug 26 23:09:39 <dawm|laptop> it changes from red to green when tapped
Aug 26 23:10:06 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Aug 26 23:10:21 <dawm|laptop> c++ is totally not friendly ;p
Aug 26 23:10:47 <sugardave> your words, I do not find encouragement in them
Aug 26 23:11:15 <dawm|laptop> i guess i could set a variable and then next time in the loop do something about it
Aug 26 23:12:41 <sugardave> acidjazz: if you are on the emu, your prompt will be root@qemux86:/#
Aug 26 23:12:49 <sugardave> otherwise, you are on the phone
Aug 26 23:16:33 * haeffb irc'ing from my new leather recliner.
Aug 26 23:16:38 <haeffb> coding in style!
Aug 26 23:17:16 <sugardave> sweet...we don't get leather furniture or other nice things until all the cats are dead
Aug 26 23:21:12 <dawm|laptop> ok i sorta have my own pause screen
Aug 26 23:25:29 <haeffb> only cat left has no front claws
Aug 26 23:29:49 <BigBiff_> good eeevaning
Aug 26 23:31:24 <haeffb> hello BigBiff
Aug 26 23:31:49 <haeffb> how art thou this fine evening
Aug 26 23:36:56 <dawm|laptop> || in C++ is OR right?
Aug 26 23:40:14 <Flashpass> dawm|laptop: yes, in terms of boolean comparison (not ORing bits)
Aug 26 23:40:29 <dawm|laptop> thnx
Aug 27 00:31:53 <dawm|laptop> ugh
Aug 27 00:32:02 <dawm|laptop> trying to implement different screens.. not going so well
Aug 27 00:43:27 <Tibfib> howdy everyone!
Aug 27 00:45:21 <Nyceane> hi Tibfib
Aug 27 00:45:34 <Tibfib> Nyceane: find out if you won yet?
Aug 27 00:45:46 <Nyceane> not yet soon
Aug 27 00:46:37 <Nyceane> sept...
Aug 27 00:47:27 <Tibfib> Nyceane: must be fun waiting :)
Aug 27 00:48:30 <Nyceane> lol =|
Aug 27 00:48:40 <Nyceane> I really wana know so i can put on my resume!
Aug 27 00:49:12 <Nyceane> was it a good app? honest opinion
Aug 27 00:49:27 <Tibfib> didn't play with it a ton, but it seemed to be good
Aug 27 01:30:13 <HattCzech> pandora--: you get a chance to test that app?
Aug 27 01:37:42 <HattCzech> dawm|laptop: you here?
Aug 27 01:37:51 <dawm|laptop> yo
Aug 27 01:38:12 <HattCzech> what was that link again? :)
Aug 27 01:38:17 <dawm|laptop> geez
Aug 27 01:38:23 <HattCzech> my app doesn't want to un-pause after i changed it :)
Aug 27 01:38:30 <HattCzech> yeah, i'm at home now :)
Aug 27 01:38:46 <dawm|laptop> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8206
Aug 27 01:38:50 <dawm|laptop> dekan
Aug 27 01:39:06 <HattCzech> yeah, dekan needs to come back
Aug 27 01:39:39 * rwhitby disagrees
Aug 27 01:40:10 <HattCzech> hehehe
Aug 27 01:40:18 <HattCzech> pros and cons
Aug 27 01:40:27 <HattCzech> (mostly cons, but still)
Aug 27 01:57:02 <LoneStar99> IDENTIFY Lonestar99 student1
Aug 27 01:57:14 <halfhalo> ...
Aug 27 01:58:24 <LoneStar99> hello
Aug 27 02:01:11 <LoneStar99> what is the command to change password here?
Aug 27 02:03:07 <Sedorox> nickserv?
Aug 27 02:15:04 <LoneStar99> how do I get my nickserv key...
Aug 27 02:17:49 <HattCzech> LoneStar99: /msg nickserv
Aug 27 02:17:52 <HattCzech> LoneStar99: /msg nickserv help
Aug 27 02:18:29 <LoneStar99> HattCzech: ok got it
Aug 27 02:18:43 <LoneStar99> accidentally posted my password in here, but got it
Aug 27 02:18:47 <kesne-away> Hey all
Aug 27 02:19:00 <LoneStar99> not that anyone here - really cares for it
Aug 27 02:19:05 <LoneStar99> hello kesne
Aug 27 02:19:25 <kesne> LoneStar99: Your password is lame
Aug 27 02:19:38 <oil> lol
Aug 27 02:19:47 * oil agrees
Aug 27 02:19:56 <oil> though, mine for nickserv isn't much better, haha
Aug 27 02:19:58 <kesne> My password is way better
Aug 27 02:20:03 <halfhalo> mine is
Aug 27 02:20:15 <oil> its only 36 characters
Aug 27 02:20:27 <kesne> My Password: lololimmacat
Aug 27 02:20:43 <rwhitby> oil: abcdefghilkjmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890 ?
Aug 27 02:20:51 <oil> lol, no
Aug 27 02:21:05 <LoneStar99> kesne
Aug 27 02:21:05 <kesne> My password is generally 6-8 chars
Aug 27 02:21:07 <LoneStar99> yeah
Aug 27 02:21:07 <kesne> LoneStar99:
Aug 27 02:21:19 <rwhitby> kesne's passwd is 'whitejeans'
Aug 27 02:21:22 <halfhalo> mine is short for ns, but at least 13 for everathang else
Aug 27 02:21:23 <oil> haha
Aug 27 02:21:26 <kesne> Yeah
Aug 27 02:21:30 <kesne> but my password is not
Aug 27 02:21:38 <kesne> :O
Aug 27 02:22:08 <oil> his password is password
Aug 27 02:22:15 <kesne> DARN
Aug 27 02:22:20 * kesne goes to change his password
Aug 27 02:22:24 <oil> or he went like LoneStar99 and put  1 at the end xD
Aug 27 02:22:31 <LoneStar99> lol
Aug 27 02:22:35 <kesne> my password is kesne1
Aug 27 02:23:18 <LoneStar99> my new password is an MD5 hash
Aug 27 02:23:27 <oil> of student1?
Aug 27 02:23:28 <oil> xD
Aug 27 02:23:33 <sugardave> hahaha
Aug 27 02:24:03 <sugardave> nickserv identify AsIf
Aug 27 02:24:51 <sugardave> haeffb: ping
Aug 27 02:26:15 <LoneStar99> oil: jk, no md5 hash, would not ever remember it
Aug 27 02:26:29 <oil> type it into irc client, forget about it
Aug 27 02:26:58 <LoneStar99> i use opera - built in irc client
Aug 27 02:27:03 <oil> ew
Aug 27 02:27:33 <sugardave> that's almost as bad as wirc
Aug 27 02:27:46 <halfhalo> almost...
Aug 27 02:27:55 <sugardave> rolsworth: what do you think of wirc?
Aug 27 02:28:11 <oil> ;(
Aug 27 02:28:18 <LoneStar99> i like it, all built in --> don't have to do nothing
Aug 27 02:28:46 <LoneStar99> like a cup holder in a car, just drink and drive
Aug 27 02:29:25 <oil> my car has no cupholders
Aug 27 02:29:31 <LoneStar99> btw  --> i do not drink and drive, only in reverse
Aug 27 02:29:49 <sugardave> my crotch is my cupholder
Aug 27 02:30:12 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 27 02:30:16 <oil> must suck for iced drinks
Aug 27 02:30:28 <oil> not only hte coldness
Aug 27 02:30:41 <sugardave> yes, but it's alright when it's 8 million degrees outside
Aug 27 02:30:42 <oil> but fast food cups sweat
Aug 27 02:30:48 <oil> then you get a wet spot
Aug 27 02:30:53 <sugardave> I'm usually drinking out of a can
Aug 27 02:31:05 <oil> they condensate also, lol
Aug 27 02:31:41 <LoneStar99> lol, my truck has no cup holders either, but that is the least of the problems...
Aug 27 02:31:46 <sugardave> true, I would use cupholders but my wife takes them for her multiple beverages
Aug 27 02:32:56 <oil> lol
Aug 27 02:33:08 <oil> i jam the cups inbetween the hand brake and passenger seat
Aug 27 02:33:13 <oil> seems to work ok
Aug 27 02:33:32 <halfhalo> what type of retarted car has no cupholdes..
Aug 27 02:33:43 <oil> 87 honda accord
Aug 27 02:33:52 <LoneStar99> 95 jeep cherokee
Aug 27 02:34:04 <LoneStar99> 2010 ferrari
Aug 27 02:34:07 <oil> lol
Aug 27 02:34:17 <halfhalo> nah, feraros have em now
Aug 27 02:35:09 <LoneStar99> oh well,
Aug 27 02:50:13 <haeffb> sug
Aug 27 02:50:16 <haeffb> sugardave:
Aug 27 02:50:23 <haeffb> sugardave and more stuff:
Aug 27 02:52:04 <sugardave> haeffb: can I send you a new iHS and get your opinion on the row style compared to the current one?
Aug 27 02:52:33 <haeffb> sure
Aug 27 02:55:49 <sugardave> haeffb: on its way
Aug 27 02:56:04 <haeffb> got it
Aug 27 02:58:22 <haeffb> still needs a "done with the first screen" button
Aug 27 02:58:34 <sugardave> yeah, that's next
Aug 27 02:58:45 <haeffb> the spinner spins!
Aug 27 02:58:51 <sugardave> it's cheating
Aug 27 02:58:55 <sugardave> but it spins
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