**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 27 02:59:57 2010 Aug 27 03:00:45 my first impression is that the rows are confusing. Aug 27 03:00:56 but I do like how the selected one looks Aug 27 03:01:08 alright, I thought so too...I'm struggling with a way to show the available colors somehow Aug 27 03:01:40 maybe do a darker gray (like in the selected row) for all rows. Aug 27 03:01:50 so the colors look more like a border Aug 27 03:02:00 and a darker darker gray for selected? Aug 27 03:02:38 alright, that might look nice...how about the color choice for that first screen? Aug 27 03:08:57 yeah, that looks better Aug 27 03:10:22 more contrast for first screen. lighter text, maybe? Aug 27 03:10:57 are you talking about the missing button screen or the "regular" first screen? Aug 27 03:11:10 oh Aug 27 03:11:12 I know Aug 27 03:11:15 the missing button one Aug 27 03:11:56 porting something that uses an x window to webos is tricky :/ Aug 27 03:12:30 I found a new x-mojo-touch-feedback I didn't know about...spontaneous Aug 27 03:18:41 the regular first screen looks like standard palm styling... Aug 27 03:18:48 "spontaneous" ? Aug 27 03:19:46 yeah, I was poking around looking for some x-mojo thing that would do the "keep this selected until something else is selected" behavior Aug 27 03:19:49 there isn't one Aug 27 03:19:55 but there is spontaneous Aug 27 03:45:56 Hello. Aug 27 03:46:29 is it you i'm looking for? Aug 27 03:46:46 I know this is possible, but I dont seem to understand the language regarding doctoring a verizon palm pre plus to 1.4.5. Aug 27 03:47:06 I hear the term know the codes, but it doesn't make sense. Aug 27 04:19:17 I is hear Aug 27 04:41:49 has anyone encountered the issue where a user goes into USB mode while your app is still running, then comes out of USB mode and the app can't do any read/writes to the external sqlite db? Aug 27 04:43:28 seems as though you need to reopen the db but how would you detect something like this from any point in your app? Aug 27 04:58:03 I just lost the game Aug 27 04:58:44 what game? Aug 27 05:03:09 Ha Aug 27 05:04:04 ? Aug 27 05:04:47 ? Aug 27 05:04:52 What? Aug 27 05:05:15 you don't want to play the game Aug 27 05:05:16 it's lame Aug 27 05:05:23 Hello alexfner! Aug 27 05:05:28 ShadeS: Everyone plays the game Aug 27 05:05:43 heyo Aug 27 05:05:57 What game is lame? Aug 27 05:06:09 games are lame Aug 27 05:06:42 * rwhitby agrees that "Ha" is a lame game Aug 27 05:06:45 anyone know of a good way to reopen an external db after a user exits USB mode? Aug 27 05:06:58 bryan_roth: nope. that sounds like a webOS bug to me Aug 27 05:07:04 Ha is a game? Aug 27 05:07:10 LoneStar99: kesne says it is Aug 27 05:07:31 Ha Ha is a little better game Aug 27 05:07:40 rwhitby: :-/ Aug 27 05:08:04 bryan_roth: do you get a failure response which you can handle and open and retry? Aug 27 05:08:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_%28mind_game%29 Aug 27 05:09:03 You know what's lame? Aug 27 05:09:08 LoneStar99's password Aug 27 05:09:14 rwhitby: no Aug 27 05:10:01 lol Aug 27 05:10:32 All Your Passwords are Belong to Us! Aug 27 05:10:41 OH NOES! Aug 27 05:10:46 Ha, that reminds Aug 27 05:10:48 me Aug 27 05:10:53 bryan_roth: I thought all the DB mojo calls had asynchronous error callbacks Aug 27 05:10:54 I have a meme addiction Aug 27 05:11:06 omg its lame Aug 27 05:11:43 rwhitby: yes, but they're not getting triggered. Aug 27 05:12:21 ouch Aug 27 05:12:43 bryan_roth: should be easy to create a simple test case and post it to the developer forums Aug 27 05:13:00 my new and improved password is: estudiante1 Aug 27 05:13:10 lol Aug 27 05:13:17 rwhitby: true, I'm looking into that right now Aug 27 05:14:36 bryan_roth: what happens is that the cryptofs process is signalled that usb mode has been entered, and it inhibits all filesystem accesses from that point. unless you're doing activity based on timers rather than user input, there should be no way you can cause an access during usb mode Aug 27 05:16:49 rwhitby: I'm referring to when the user starts usb mode with my app still open, then exits usb mode but then the app can't make db calls. Aug 27 05:18:40 bryan_roth: and you're sure your app didn't try and do any db accesses during usb mode? Aug 27 05:19:00 rwhitby: positive Aug 27 05:21:07 helllo Aug 27 05:21:21 need some halp with uberkernal Aug 27 05:21:39 budders: Better place to go would be #webos-internals Aug 27 05:22:27 rwhitby: brb - going to test some things Aug 27 05:25:26 Sweet Aug 27 05:25:28 Got this working Aug 27 05:25:37 Apps can access users KSO profiles now Aug 27 05:26:20 Just open application manager with a few params, it'll ask the user if they are okay with the user accessing their profile and such, then it passes the info back to the other application Aug 27 05:26:50 hey can i get some help? i cant get any in other channels Aug 27 05:27:58 what's the question? Aug 27 05:28:24 i have preware installed and i installed uberkernal and govanah Aug 27 05:28:36 and i cant change the kernal to 500/1000 Aug 27 05:28:44 we don't deal with that here Aug 27 05:29:00 i tried going to the other chat and no one was answering? Aug 27 05:29:05 how else can i get a quick inser Aug 27 05:29:11 you're better off to try precentral.net or #webos-internals , it may take a bit more time to get a response, but you'll actually get a response Aug 27 05:29:25 you shouldn't expect an instant answer Aug 27 05:29:33 how long should i wait? Aug 27 05:29:47 until you get an answer? Aug 27 05:29:51 oh okay Aug 27 05:44:08 wellp so much for those linnks I got from here Aug 27 05:44:20 truecrypt decided to not accept my password an I had to reimage Aug 27 05:44:23 and start from scartch Aug 27 05:44:54 Sweet, got the passback working Aug 27 05:45:30 Do someone know a good place to get icons for the app? Maybe free? or what do people do? Aug 27 05:48:44 get icons? Aug 27 05:48:49 what kind of icons? Aug 27 05:49:02 * rwhitby just asks Templarian or oil Aug 27 05:49:19 what's the question? Aug 27 05:50:35 hotdp: http://www.iconpot.com/ Aug 27 05:50:54 iconfinder.net Aug 27 05:50:55 but see Aug 27 05:50:58 if you want to be ethical Aug 27 05:51:17 you need to follow the licenses of the creators of the icons Aug 27 05:51:34 I want to be ethical Aug 27 05:51:55 I have found some icons for my other apps but think they cost alot :( Aug 27 05:52:13 icon finder is good Aug 27 05:52:13 hotdp tryhttp://www.iconpot.com/ Aug 27 05:52:15 http://www.iconfinder.com/ Aug 27 05:52:25 ok latersd Aug 27 05:52:26 but make sure you follow the licenses that are attached to the icons Aug 27 05:52:40 time to hit the hay Aug 27 05:52:49 cu lonestar Aug 27 05:52:50 cya Aug 27 05:53:02 ok thanks alexfner Aug 27 05:54:13 alexfner: where do i see the description? Aug 27 05:54:31 ahh i se left side Aug 27 05:54:52 lol one icon is free and i have seen it cost money on another site Aug 27 05:58:46 ah that's a real shame Aug 27 05:58:56 if you see stuff like that, I would contact the author Aug 27 05:59:22 alexfner: it says "License Free for commercial use | (Read me)" Aug 27 05:59:51 that is something you can use Aug 27 06:00:03 but most likely Aug 27 06:00:11 they want you to give attirbution for work Aug 27 06:00:16 attribution* Aug 27 06:00:58 and that means? Aug 27 06:03:14 it means you mention, in the "about" section of your app, or somewhere else, that certain pieces of work (and you should specify the exact pieces) are attributed to another person (the author) Aug 27 06:04:11 ... If i just could use ps my self.. Aug 27 06:04:33 well it's definitely worth it Aug 27 06:04:36 I think i have to buy them then, just a little sad when i make a free app. Aug 27 06:04:39 I mean people are doing the work for you Aug 27 06:05:19 if it's free for commercial use, and the license asks for attribution, that's little to ask for free use of some really good work Aug 27 06:05:32 and you don't have to make it prominent in the app, just in a page somewhere Aug 27 06:05:37 I understand Aug 27 06:05:58 I could put the line under "about" Aug 27 06:07:18 creative commons licences are a solution to DRM, but fail to work if no one respects them Aug 27 06:07:28 Another gfx question, i have some list's in my app i and would like to "spice" it a little up. Is the normal way to use an background image? And if how do people get ind hold of it? Aug 27 06:08:13 I don't think I understand the question Aug 27 06:08:36 don't obscure text you're meant to read with a background image Aug 27 06:09:06 I think the grey list is a little standard to look at Aug 27 06:09:17 would like it to have blue background or something Aug 27 06:09:46 Or do people just use the stanard look? Aug 27 06:09:49 sure - just make sure it is easy to read. don't put pictures of clouds or something behind the text (like the new SeaBird app does) Aug 27 06:10:10 I personally prefer the standard look. I'm there for the information, not the pretty pictures. Aug 27 06:10:44 I don't want an insane picture, just another color Aug 27 06:10:52 its so grey.. Aug 27 06:11:32 I put a premium on an application looking like it is a standard part of webOS, not something at odds with the UI of the rest of the device. Aug 27 06:11:56 hmm Aug 27 06:14:25 So i should not change the color or anything? Just use the standard? Aug 27 06:18:08 differentiate on your features first Aug 27 06:19:14 My app is done Aug 27 06:19:26 you can style the appmenu Aug 27 06:19:33 I only miss 1 icon and the style if i want to Aug 27 06:21:24 some times I just want to oil up and go sit on the beach and drink espressos all day long Aug 27 06:21:39 iced or hot, I don't care, I'm at the beach! Aug 27 06:21:53 im disturbed that your message pinged me Aug 27 06:22:11 as I hoped it would! muhahaha muhahaha Aug 27 06:22:15 lol Aug 27 06:22:27 im like "oh, someone has something to say to me" Aug 27 06:23:43 so i need to get the .net stuff again Aug 27 06:23:48 and then I need to download that javaless installer Aug 27 06:23:51 then you realized that was an impossibility Aug 27 06:24:29 "why would anyone talk to oil?" (you refer to yourself in the third person), oil though Aug 27 06:24:48 oh, you refer to yourself in the third person, and by your IRC nick Aug 27 06:26:47 alright Aug 27 06:26:51 you're going to get a car Aug 27 06:26:57 you have three choices Aug 27 06:27:13 a ford fusion lease, 39 months, 279 a month with SYNC Aug 27 06:27:19 that one Aug 27 06:27:26 (2) a focus zx5(hatchback) 76k miles, 2002 Aug 27 06:27:35 or fiesta Aug 27 06:27:42 or (3) a focus zx5 hatchback 55k miles, 2000 Aug 27 06:27:51 see, the fusion lease kinda sucks Aug 27 06:27:53 fiesta Aug 27 06:28:01 cause it'll be gone after three years and I'll have to find something else Aug 27 06:28:10 fiesta interest rates are crazy high right now Aug 27 06:28:19 the fiesta in Europe is crap.. Aug 27 06:28:22 not if you buy out the lease at the end Aug 27 06:28:22 they're a minimum of 3.9% Aug 27 06:28:59 ehhhh Aug 27 06:29:33 there's no lease for fiesta Aug 27 06:29:51 I meant buy out lease of fusion Aug 27 06:30:32 oh, well yeah, but I'm not going to get great financing at that point Aug 27 06:30:36 and right now it'd be 0% Aug 27 08:59:16 hiho.. Aug 27 08:59:29 is there a way, app, patch ot multiple select pictures? Aug 27 12:43:16 $L(Good Morning) #webos Aug 27 12:43:31 * haeffb shamelessly steals from bmyers Aug 27 12:43:41 * haeffb also writes broken code Aug 27 12:43:56 ROYALTIES.... Aug 27 12:44:08 $L("Good Morning") + "#webos"; Aug 27 12:44:37 isn't anything published in #webos public domain... :) Aug 27 12:44:47 just your stuff Aug 27 12:45:06 hows it going haeffb Aug 27 12:46:03 going well, how 'bout you? Aug 27 12:46:28 I am loving this change in weather. 58deg this morning. Aug 27 12:46:43 i dont want summer to end.. Aug 27 13:00:29 been sailing much? Aug 27 13:08:52 IDENTIFY Lonestar99 student1Z Aug 27 13:09:03 gdfjdfj Aug 27 13:09:06 whoops Aug 27 13:09:06 haeffb: went sailing on the hudson yesterday. awesome day for sailing Aug 27 13:09:30 fucking system has a mayor glitch, Aug 27 13:09:34 ooh lookie.. LoneStar99 's password Aug 27 13:10:11 NickServ This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify . Aug 27 13:10:36 weird Aug 27 13:11:27 for some reason, w/o doing an IDENTIFY, I am already getting logged in automatically, unlike before... Aug 27 13:12:17 perhaps, you all should test your client out... might be a glitch with the NickServ system... Aug 27 13:14:19 LoneStar99: you don't have to have a registered nick for this channel anymore Aug 27 13:14:44 you dont? Aug 27 13:14:52 nope Aug 27 13:14:53 sugardave: so no authentication is not needed any more? Aug 27 13:15:00 not for #webos Aug 27 13:15:12 since when? Aug 27 13:15:14 I think dkirker took it off a few months ago Aug 27 13:15:19 boink Aug 27 13:15:20 ok then... LoneStar99 spammed his password for nothing then.. Aug 27 13:15:26 heh Aug 27 13:15:28 lol Aug 27 13:23:22 ok back Aug 27 13:23:50 are you going to post your new password or just leave us all hanging in suspense? Aug 27 13:25:11 you would think i am wasted, but it has happened twice within 24 hrs... Aug 27 13:26:24 * sugardave knows LoneStar99's new password. Aug 27 13:26:27 based on patterns Aug 27 13:26:36 yesterday was student1 Aug 27 13:26:37 have changed password again, will see if it happens a 3rd time =) --> I am at "estudiante3" Aug 27 13:26:40 so now it's student123 Aug 27 13:26:51 lol Aug 27 13:27:39 i will say it still contains "student" Aug 27 13:35:25 mine is "password" just so we're even.. Aug 27 13:40:20 That's the password on my luggage! Aug 27 13:46:45 the pin to all my bank cards is "1234" Aug 27 13:48:23 sugardave: did you give up on egit ? Aug 27 13:48:34 only for pushing Aug 27 13:48:45 I use it to commit to local Aug 27 13:48:55 and then command line pull/push Aug 27 13:49:58 i did notice a really big bug with the app catalog payment system... vritually anyone can get a paid app for free... Aug 27 13:51:28 need to PM chuqui, when he signs in Aug 27 13:55:34 hello Aug 27 14:24:52 LoneStar99: there's a bug with the system? Aug 27 14:25:18 i guess he won't answer that question Aug 27 14:27:12 awawa Aug 27 14:31:39 woot Aug 27 14:32:04 closing costs came out a lot less than estimated ;D means my savings acct wont be wiped clean Aug 27 14:32:12 off to go get my house :] Aug 27 14:38:22 yay! Noted is a featured app this week. Aug 27 14:41:59 yall adopted Aug 27 14:52:31 this is really starting to irritate me...I'm trying to modify my path. I've tried every combination of .profile, .bash_profile, .bashrc....I can see the paths I am interested in, yet the dir contents are not accessible. If I manually export THE EXACT SAME PATH, it works just fine Aug 27 14:52:36 wtf? Aug 27 15:00:30 sugardave: you must have offended the bash gods.. Aug 27 15:01:18 try a sacrifice , a chicken perhaps, or a 25 yr old virgin but good luck finding one of those. Aug 27 15:01:37 haeffb: congrats to you! Aug 27 15:03:19 bah, subtle typo Aug 27 15:03:55 describe subtle to a computer... Aug 27 15:04:49 The difference between calculator in Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1 Aug 27 15:06:20 you're an old man sugardave .. kids today dont even know whats floppies were or that you loaded an OS using them... Aug 27 15:06:40 might as well tell them you loaded it from wax cylinder Aug 27 15:06:57 or a cassette tape Aug 27 15:07:11 haha, I know...I remember when we got a crop of fresh new "system administrators" at Dell when I was a tester...those guys didn't even know "net use ..." Aug 27 15:07:15 I was in shock Aug 27 15:07:46 datasettes! oh man, let me load this program...be back tomorrow! Aug 27 15:07:49 net use \\server\share m: /delete Aug 27 15:08:15 you're talking to a guy who started on 3Com 3Plus Open.. Aug 27 15:08:19 net use x: \\server\share /user:administrator /per:no Aug 27 15:08:34 which WAS micro$oft networking b4 they bought them out.. Aug 27 15:08:54 I learned all my netbios from OS/2 Aug 27 15:09:05 AND WE LIKED IT.... Aug 27 15:09:09 heh Aug 27 15:09:13 thicknet.. WOOT Aug 27 15:09:35 token ring ftw Aug 27 15:09:41 eeew... Aug 27 15:09:51 yukie token ring... Aug 27 15:09:57 I loved the "auto-sensing" token ring cards Aug 27 15:10:08 especially if it was the first one to insert in the MAU Aug 27 15:10:09 more like "auto-failing" Aug 27 15:10:21 it was all "which speed do I pick?!?!?!" Aug 27 15:10:24 and then it dies Aug 27 15:10:27 token ring = passing of the soap box.. Aug 27 15:11:00 load "*" ,8,1 ? Aug 27 15:11:09 oh, they only auto-sense if there's already another card with speed set in the MAU Aug 27 15:11:23 man, I hardly remember the old commie stuff Aug 27 15:11:33 load "$" ,8,1 Aug 27 15:12:29 $, right... you're a pro at this... If there is ever a retro-techie night on jepordy i expect to see you on it.. Aug 27 15:12:36 haha Aug 27 15:12:59 I guess that's my triva super-power...remembering a bunch of obscure shit I'll never get a chance to use again Aug 27 15:13:00 i'll take "THE RAPISTS" for $600... Aug 27 15:13:29 oh wait, its "THERAPISTS", duh..... Aug 27 15:14:08 you could. i'm thinking of selling my C= stuff Aug 27 15:14:09 like my wife and her family...they all have this uncanny knack for music trivia...I mean really off-the-wall shit you've never heard of before Aug 27 15:14:21 i got a sweet little SX64 that could be yours Aug 27 15:14:39 I still have my 128...needs a power supply and missing one key on the kb Aug 27 15:15:08 the 128 was like "more than you'd ever need".. Aug 27 15:15:15 it did 132 cols right? Aug 27 15:15:28 who reads/writes stuff THAT wide... Aug 27 15:15:31 I can even tell you how to unlock any locked OS/2 3.0 box >:) Aug 27 15:15:45 using a BFH ? Aug 27 15:15:55 I only ever had it on my tv...couldn't afford the fancy monitor Aug 27 15:16:06 (big friendly hammer) Aug 27 15:16:14 I think CP/M mode did that wide screen thing Aug 27 15:16:41 like, crazy wide... i think you needed the big time monitor to do that tho Aug 27 15:16:57 CP/M stupid idea Aug 27 15:17:09 write once , run many? what a crock.. that'll never fly.. Aug 27 15:17:18 hahaha Aug 27 15:18:15 i used to run a c= bbs Aug 27 15:18:34 I've even got a 2400bps modem for it Aug 27 15:18:43 _2400 bps_ ! Aug 27 15:18:47 had scads of disk drives running all the time. looked like christmas all the time with all the red and green lights Aug 27 15:19:28 i had a 1200 for about a day and took it back.. Aug 27 15:19:50 sold my sister to the gypsys to get the money for the 2400 Aug 27 15:20:27 she found her way back anyway... Aug 27 15:20:30 I had a 300, then my buddy got a 1200, and I went and got a 2400...and back then I was an unscrupulous child, do we swaped the boards in the 1200 and 2400 and went back to Toys R Us and "exchanged" it Aug 27 15:20:46 so funny Aug 27 15:20:48 ah, the good old days Aug 27 15:20:57 toys r us where chumps about returning computers Aug 27 15:21:02 they had no idea.. Aug 27 15:21:18 got a 128 doing the same thing at TRUS Aug 27 15:21:27 damn, nice swap Aug 27 15:21:37 ah to be 15 again... Aug 27 15:21:42 used to change price tags for products at wal-mart Nikko R/C Car for $3.99 etc.... Aug 27 15:21:49 clumsy, smelliy, Aug 27 15:21:55 i miss those days.. Aug 27 15:21:57 it was awesome Aug 27 15:22:37 I found my redbox the other day Aug 27 15:22:48 It was very nostalgia-inducing Aug 27 15:23:04 phone thingie redbox? Aug 27 15:23:09 yeah Aug 27 15:23:15 omg... Aug 27 15:23:54 i never ever sank THAT low.. Aug 27 15:24:10 haha, it was more of a "this sounds cool, let's see if I can make one" Aug 27 15:24:12 thing Aug 27 15:24:27 I did use it a few times, mainly to call home when I was at school Aug 27 15:24:35 when i got the the dorm in college, my compter was the fastest "Gateway 486DX2 50Mhz" Aug 27 15:24:36 stealing from ma bell is just wrong.. what did that little monopoly ever do to you? Aug 27 15:24:56 but then I discovered a bank of cocots nearby and you didn't need a redbox for them ;) Aug 27 15:25:50 yeah kids today appreciate the work aspect of stealing... Aug 27 15:26:13 just go dl something from torrentslut... problem solved.. Aug 27 15:26:42 got to love torrents +) Aug 27 15:26:44 hehe...yeah, it's a different mindset now Aug 27 15:26:45 =) Aug 27 15:26:45 above missing don't before appreciate... Aug 27 15:27:40 back when dino's roamed and sugardave was young you had to build the technology to steal. Aug 27 15:28:11 now, there's an app for that.. Aug 27 15:28:33 oh yo yo Aug 27 15:28:49 I was thinking of dropping in on our next 2600 meeting just to see what it's like these days Aug 27 15:28:54 I've been left far behind, I think Aug 27 15:28:58 ha ha Aug 27 15:29:15 still have an active 2600 group there? Aug 27 15:29:33 apparently so, I forget where they meet now since they tore down the old mall I used to go to Aug 27 15:29:39 sugardave: is that atari 2600 you all are refering to? Aug 27 15:29:42 but I looked it up the other day and Austin still shows active Aug 27 15:29:45 alt 2600 Aug 27 15:29:53 The Hacker Quarterly Aug 27 15:29:56 2600 Aug 27 15:30:18 reference to 2600Hz, the tone of which would open trunk lines on the old POTS line setup Aug 27 15:30:19 prolly meat at IHOP now a 6:30 am Aug 27 15:30:22 a LONG time ago Aug 27 15:30:23 before my time Aug 27 15:30:25 oh ok, do they still publish the booklet, or magazine? Aug 27 15:30:42 blueboxing will get your ass thrown in jail in a heartbeat these days ;) Aug 27 15:30:45 LoneStar99: I think so Aug 27 15:31:09 true, but stealing IP phone service is alot easier.. Aug 27 15:31:24 it used to be my ambition to have the extra cash to buy a lifetime subscription...then when I got to that point, they didn't offer it anymore :D Aug 27 15:32:05 still got all your Ahoy! mags sugardave ? Aug 27 15:32:09 lol Aug 27 15:32:26 hehe, I only ever had a couple of those, and they are probably still in my closet somewhere Aug 27 15:32:46 morning Aug 27 15:32:52 along with a cache of 5.25" floppies I have no hope of reading again Aug 27 15:32:55 useless crap every month anyway... Aug 27 15:33:22 they'll come back in style again.. everything does.. Aug 27 15:33:29 look at bell bottoms... Aug 27 15:33:32 I'll be ready Aug 27 15:33:55 they're pretty pointy...they'll probably be banned from airplanes Aug 27 15:34:17 you could take out an eye with one of those.. Aug 27 15:35:09 did you move up to the amiga after that or go str8 to the dark side? Aug 27 15:35:11 all my 5.25"s were "single-sided" but now they have a hole-punch hole on the other side. It's a miracle! Aug 27 15:35:46 (i had the square puncher) Aug 27 15:35:48 I purchased a used Amiga 1K just before I left for school, but I only ever used it to play a couple of games....too much wine, women, and song at that stage of life Aug 27 15:36:57 back then, it was way too easy to impress the ladies if they had any technology bent at all Aug 27 15:36:58 hey, so how are you guys saving things like images locally for cahce? Aug 27 15:37:07 "Hey baby, check out my redbox" Aug 27 15:37:08 cache even Aug 27 15:37:21 funkatron: I haven't tried with images yet Aug 27 15:37:42 I think the last time I looked in the forum about it, it was recommended to base-64 encode them and store them in a db Aug 27 15:37:44 I don't even think you can really Aug 27 15:37:45 oh god Aug 27 15:37:51 and then magically reconstruct them somehow Aug 27 15:37:53 *headdesk* Aug 27 15:37:57 that would work Aug 27 15:38:03 oh sure.. being a tech geek back then was like having panty-remover in a spray bottle.. Aug 27 15:38:09 except how do we decode it to base64 Aug 27 15:38:37 funkatron: now you're at the point where I say "no idea" Aug 27 15:39:04 yeah, I don't think there's an API method for it, or a way we can get binary data as a string or soemthing into JS Aug 27 15:39:14 straight up bull, chip. Aug 27 15:39:30 isnt there a base64 lib around somewhere? Aug 27 15:39:54 is it better to use the camera at 500mhz Aug 27 15:40:02 well, I can encode strings to base64 Aug 27 15:40:09 trying to profile picture here Aug 27 15:40:11 but getting the binary data is the bigger issue I think Aug 27 15:40:18 funkatron: if you can get it to base64, I THINK you can use data URIs for images Aug 27 15:40:23 there you go. you wanted to know how to store.. you must be thrilled to have gotten a fast reply. Aug 27 15:40:26 yeah, we could use data URIs Aug 27 15:41:00 oh, you want to be able to READ them back too? oh well. Aug 27 15:41:10 I think there's a bug in Angry Birds Aug 27 15:41:11 oh hey http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3863 Aug 27 15:41:13 that is sort of a lead Aug 27 15:41:28 that… sorta makes sense Aug 27 15:41:34 dammit camera Aug 27 15:42:10 * funkatron grumbles that we still can't just save a damn image to the file system for our app Aug 27 15:42:11 WOM (write only memory) Aug 27 15:42:26 funkatron: ah, so just request the img directly and encode responseText? sounds simple Aug 27 15:44:20 yeah, makes sense Aug 27 15:44:31 the responsetext is a string of the binary data Aug 27 15:45:12 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 27 15:45:34 $L("Greetings"); Aug 27 15:46:14 I used $L for the first time ever in Relego the other day Aug 27 15:46:21 it was peer pressure Aug 27 15:46:52 its handy... Aug 27 15:47:01 a little unruly but handy Aug 27 15:47:23 sugardave: i have $L all over the place, but have no localization... Aug 27 15:47:52 hey that reminds me. is Ares dead yet or are they still selling steel toed boots for that ride? Aug 27 15:48:08 anyone know, if people in spanish speaking countries are buying the apps? Aug 27 15:48:17 si Aug 27 15:48:47 bmyers: you have alot of sales in mexico or spain? Aug 27 15:48:55 bmyers: ah, that's right you've been away. We have an official Ares whipping boy who is on vacation this week. He loves it, can't get enough Aug 27 15:49:13 anivrom? Aug 27 15:49:25 and lemketron assures me that even I will want to use Ares "in the near future" Aug 27 15:49:34 [grins] I have at least 3 Spanish users Aug 27 15:49:35 LoneStar99: I have no paid apps in Mexico or Spain, only free but palm doesnt give you that breakdown for a free ap Aug 27 15:49:56 LoneStar99: yeah Aug 27 15:50:11 If there is any possibility that an app will ever be localized, you should always use $L Aug 27 15:50:12 I love lemketrons optimism, he's the right man for the job. Aug 27 15:50:36 bmyers: oh ok, may translate bobc to spanish, but not in this release Aug 27 15:51:29 If and before you start localizing, grep through your source (or use a tool) and consolidate phrases. Aug 27 15:52:22 DougReeder: consolidate, like making phrases simple? Aug 27 15:52:23 cant wait to meet Mr Ares.. Aug 27 15:52:51 I'm more ready to be using the "javascript services" and "new webOS in the near future" Aug 27 15:52:56 You'll find you used similar phrases for similar conditions -- see if you can use the same phrase for both. Aug 27 15:53:49 oh hey. you have no class today sugardave ? Aug 27 15:54:15 DougReeder: oh ok, what i have been doing, is making "international" understandable icons, like "+" "-" etc... instead of "open" "new" "close" "delete" etc... Aug 27 15:54:31 Today is the last day, and I only had to present one unit...took about 15 minutes. Now they are doing the last unit of exercises and I'm watching for issues Aug 27 15:54:44 thats how canada does it for road sign LoneStar99 .. Aug 27 15:54:45 which means I'm basically done for the day Aug 27 15:54:53 That's good, but there will still be plenty of phrases that need translation. Aug 27 15:55:00 if they can't understand "+" or "-" --> delete my app immediately... Aug 27 15:55:14 bmyers: that is awesome Aug 27 15:55:22 "This app has a minimum IQ requirement." Aug 27 15:55:47 bmyers: you have a pic of such a road sign? Aug 27 15:56:00 And no translation is far better than a bad translation. Never use machine translation, except for study. Aug 27 15:56:55 DougReeder: aw come on. translating things from english to chinese and then back to engrish usng babble is fun.. Aug 27 15:57:23 LoneStar99: i dont think i do.. Aug 27 15:57:23 Canada is actually a bad example, IMNSHO: words like "exit" appear in English and French (which you could trivially figure out), but real info is purely in English or French. Aug 27 15:57:35 DougReeder: yeah i agree "who let the dogs out" --> "quien dejo los perros ir"... sound very lame in spanish Aug 27 15:58:32 DougReeder: in Cape Breton NS signs are in English and Gaelic. French ppl still manage to get around there.. Aug 27 15:58:54 * DougReeder nods Aug 27 15:59:15 in Quebec, signs are only in French... Aug 27 15:59:39 Gaelic? Holy cow, how wide are the signs? Aug 27 15:59:56 sugardave: WIDE.... Aug 27 16:00:19 I thought french had bunches of silent letters until I saw Gaelic.. Aug 27 16:00:24 hah Aug 27 16:01:02 more words with bhk next to each other than you can shake a shamrock at.. Aug 27 16:02:06 bmyers: where are the gaelic signs? in scotland? Aug 27 16:02:45 nova scotia canada Aug 27 16:02:57 cape breton to be exact.. Aug 27 16:03:13 bmyers: oh really, wow, they still speak gaelic in them parts? Aug 27 16:03:28 they actually do... Aug 27 16:03:44 they teach it in schools? Aug 27 16:03:52 old ppl do anyway.. the kids just txt like any other kid.. Aug 27 16:04:15 in Erie they teach it in schools , but the Irish refer to gaelic as "irish" Aug 27 16:04:25 no i think it;s a family taught thing. Aug 27 16:04:36 sorry erie --> eire Aug 27 16:05:03 cape breton looks much like the scotish highland.. Aug 27 16:05:32 bmyers: wow will look it up Aug 27 16:06:02 there is the only north american Gaelic Collage , http://www.gaeliccollege.edu/ Aug 27 16:06:05 [waving goodby] Okay, I've found my git tutorial. Aug 27 16:06:30 actually, i dont think there is a south america Gaelic Collage anyway... Aug 27 16:06:45 buenos nochas DougReeder Aug 27 16:07:19 laters DougReeder Aug 27 16:07:39 LoneStar99: cape breton is like walking around in a living capitol one commercial.. Aug 27 16:08:08 hahah nice Aug 27 16:08:09 dudes in kilts with a goat in one arm and a broadsword in the other.. wild place.. Aug 27 16:09:02 where men r men, women are scarce and sheep are scared.. Aug 27 16:09:43 bmyers: lol, crazy Aug 27 16:09:49 i had to change my last name to MacMyers just to be able to own land there.. Aug 27 16:10:04 wow Aug 27 16:10:18 you a farmer there? Aug 27 16:10:50 no, just some stinky guy with a cabin in the woods when i am there.. Aug 27 16:11:11 but i own about 150 acres so there;s no one around close enough to complain. Aug 27 16:12:16 no power, no water, no tv, no internet.. just a wood stove and a grunt bar.. Aug 27 16:12:23 microphone/camera API - Is that a 1.5 or 2.0 thing Aug 27 16:13:11 torchie_pre: who knows? Aug 27 16:14:17 god knows Aug 27 16:14:18 :( Aug 27 16:14:23 i think the official word from Palm for the mic/camera api was "in the near furture, no really. why are you laughing?" Aug 27 16:14:38 I wanna like Aug 27 16:14:49 try to make a recording app Aug 27 16:14:51 and maybe fail pathetically Aug 27 16:14:57 pdk Aug 27 16:15:11 webos-internals pdk Aug 27 16:15:21 I have a client that wants a microphone-capable app. since I don't do pdk, I tell him "not yet" Aug 27 16:15:39 bmyers: that sounds awesome, you make poteen in the woods? Aug 27 16:16:03 sure. gotta love the poteen... Aug 27 16:16:14 never had it, but will try one day Aug 27 16:16:16 with some donaire meat... mmmm-mm.. Aug 27 16:17:19 sugardave: PDK doesn't have microphone access yet, afaik Aug 27 16:17:58 anyone know when PDK, will support hybid apps? Aug 27 16:17:59 right but the homegrown pdk does right? Aug 27 16:18:00 maik: really? well, at least I'm not lying :D Aug 27 16:21:40 zcorder Aug 27 16:21:55 or whatever zsoc's app was Aug 27 16:26:42 sugardave: as i understand it, yes. digitalpowers mentioned something about not having mic access yet Aug 27 16:27:01 no mike access yet in the pdk Aug 27 16:27:10 but no mic access either Aug 27 16:27:42 lol @ xkcd today Aug 27 16:27:57 LoneStar99: here are some road signs for ya: http://www.hotrodsandclassics.net/roadsigns/roadsigns2.htm Aug 27 16:28:50 bmyers: nice Aug 27 16:29:19 like the fathers day present Aug 27 16:32:42 LoneStar99: you mentioned some security issues earlier? did you send those along to palm? Aug 27 16:34:04 HattCzech_work: not yet, waiting for chuqui to sign in Aug 27 16:34:46 how'd you manage to find it? Aug 27 16:35:25 some of the best are on this page.. http://www.hotrodsandclassics.net/roadsigns/roadsigns5.htm Aug 27 16:36:16 is this the one where if your cc is inactive, it still processes through catalog, but never gets charged or a new one? Aug 27 16:36:27 the plumber guy.. the blond license plate, the bate and tackle shop sign, Aug 27 16:37:51 balfurd cleaners sign... Aug 27 16:38:23 HattCzech_work: basically bought my own paid app for free... Aug 27 16:38:46 and can do it any other paid app Aug 27 16:41:00 interesting Aug 27 16:41:24 same thing as what sugardave just mentioned? or not so much? Aug 27 16:42:36 sugardave: yeah it seems that is it Aug 27 16:43:40 sugardave: assuming it is already documented right? Aug 27 16:46:11 LoneStar99: I think so Aug 27 16:46:35 hey everyone Aug 27 16:48:23 sugardave: oh ok, will mention it to chuqui anyways Aug 27 16:48:29 hello bhodder Aug 27 16:52:00 how is it going today LoneStar99 Aug 27 17:10:28 bhodder Aug 27 17:10:53 bhodder: good, just here working on a website for business "friend" Aug 27 17:18:59 cool cool Aug 27 18:03:35 heyo Aug 27 18:04:25 hello Aug 27 18:04:59 1ghz that's awesome.. thanks guys you do great work.. :) Aug 27 18:05:41 solix: #webos-internals is over that way --> Aug 27 18:05:42 solix: they'll be more appreciative of your thanks in #webos-internals :D Aug 27 18:05:59 but we do great work, too... :) Aug 27 18:06:01 I thought it was <-- that way Aug 27 18:06:09 ^^^^ > Aug 27 18:06:11 ? Aug 27 18:06:12 whoops! haha.. okie thanks neways.. :) Aug 27 18:06:28 now, which way is it? ;) Aug 27 18:06:37 ^ Aug 27 18:06:38 | Aug 27 18:06:38 | Aug 27 18:06:44 :) Aug 27 18:06:53 ahhh.. there it is.. thanks.. whew.. :) Aug 27 18:07:35 cyaz Aug 27 18:07:44 hihi Aug 27 18:07:48 so my app is featured on the front page of the catalog Aug 27 18:08:01 nice! Aug 27 18:08:04 which? Aug 27 18:08:06 songwave Aug 27 18:08:12 codeslaw_: grtz! Aug 27 18:08:14 awesome, grats to you and haeffb Aug 27 18:08:22 haeffb too? Aug 27 18:08:34 sweet Aug 27 18:08:44 yeah, turns out they're not all that picky... :) Aug 27 18:08:54 hehe truth! Aug 27 18:09:04 i think angry birds is going to steal our thunder though =P Aug 27 18:09:16 that damn game is bugged Aug 27 18:09:20 world 1-9 Aug 27 18:09:31 what happed in 1-9 Aug 27 18:09:38 and $100k Aug 27 18:09:39 I can beat it with 1 bird yet still only get ** Aug 27 18:09:49 beat it better Aug 27 18:10:15 oh dammit, now i need to play Aug 27 18:10:18 thanks, sugardave Aug 27 18:10:21 * sugardave hacks ANgry Birds to accept tilt input. "There, 0 birds. Two stars." Aug 27 18:10:29 haha Aug 27 18:10:32 maik: you're welcome! Aug 27 18:10:47 also, i got 3 stars on 9 Aug 27 18:10:48 1-9* Aug 27 18:10:53 :P Aug 27 18:17:57 i can't seem to get 3 stars on 1-13 though and it's driving me crazy Aug 27 18:18:19 I have that one :D Aug 27 18:18:42 submitch Aug 27 18:18:46 sumbitch too Aug 27 18:20:39 anyone have a copy of adobe illustrator and 2 minutes to lend me? just need someone to open an .ai file and spit out a .png at the right resolution :( Aug 27 18:20:56 where is freetether? Aug 27 18:21:36 retry: you want -internals probably Aug 27 18:21:58 well I'm asking in both cause I don't know which is relevant Aug 27 18:22:03 dtzWill: e-mail maik at halfzero dot net Aug 27 18:25:59 sugardave: what score did you get on 1-13? Aug 27 18:26:13 i just got 44930 and i'm guessing the *** is 45k Aug 27 18:28:57 maik: email sent, ty Aug 27 18:30:20 maik: 48400 Aug 27 18:30:36 what do you have on 1-9? Aug 27 18:31:34 I have 49910 on that one...probably need 50K if it's point-based Aug 27 18:31:44 dtzWill: got it Aug 27 18:31:50 sugardave: 53910 Aug 27 18:32:04 k Aug 27 18:32:46 dtzWill: do you want it squared up and then to the specified sizes or do you want just the object in the specified sizes? Aug 27 18:33:21 nevermind, stupid question Aug 27 18:33:56 maik: okay :). was pm'ing you responses sorry :). ty Aug 27 18:35:39 Hello all, maybe somebody can help me at a serious problem with my aplm Aug 27 18:35:53 *Pre Aug 27 18:38:25 dtzWill: sent Aug 27 18:38:43 maik: tyvm. Aug 27 18:39:56 My Touchscreen won't respond, nobody a clue how to fix that? :/ Aug 27 18:43:36 won't respond at all or is just having trouble interpreting input? Aug 27 18:44:01 mine gets to the point where it thinks there's two fingers on the screen or something and freaks the hell out, but usually i can put it to sleep and bring it back and it fixes it Aug 27 18:47:02 are there any other advertising platforms for webos besides AdMob? Aug 27 18:48:01 edektor: yes Aug 27 18:48:20 all of them, pretty much Aug 27 18:48:31 all you got to do is write the ajax for it Aug 27 18:49:02 there is an old sample for admob, quattro wireless, and one other I can't remember on webos101 Aug 27 18:49:12 What are the names you if know them? Aug 27 18:49:27 ^^^ Aug 27 18:49:41 oh sorry. Aug 27 18:50:54 codeslaw_: what did you use for display on your app? sdl or opengl? Aug 27 18:50:55 argh. sugardave: do you remember how you did 1-13? Aug 27 18:51:08 HattCzech_work: SDL Aug 27 18:51:20 maik: let me see... Aug 27 18:51:26 and with sdl, it won't work on pixi, right? Aug 27 18:51:30 yes =( Aug 27 18:51:38 i'd like to move to openGL at some point Aug 27 18:51:43 just have so much shit on my plate right now Aug 27 18:51:49 oh, for the love of god, don't Aug 27 18:52:07 quattrowireless is now iAd Aug 27 18:52:16 it's taken me 2 days just to get text to display Aug 27 18:52:19 wait pixi supports sdl for input, and opengl via sdl for rendering, but not plain sdl video? Aug 27 18:52:21 maik: oh yeah..so the blue bird I launched and tried to get it so that when I split them, the middle one hits those 4 small glass blocks on the left side Aug 27 18:52:23 well if the app becomes solid enough, i'd like to port it to iphone/android. opengl would be way easier to port than SDL Aug 27 18:52:39 @maik: Sorry for the late respond. Aug 27 18:52:43 valid point Aug 27 18:52:44 render to buffer->blit with opengl. done and done Aug 27 18:52:45 It won't respond at all. Aug 27 18:52:46 maik: and that took them all out Aug 27 18:52:52 I try currently the WebOS Doctor. Aug 27 18:53:25 When I put in a USB cable it realise it and ask me "only charge or USB Data" and so on Aug 27 18:53:34 and when I slide it the keys also glows Aug 27 18:53:41 (mosttimes, not always) Aug 27 18:53:46 oh hmm. i've been trying to get the bottom one in those 4 pieces. lets try this Aug 27 18:53:50 hopefully the Doctor helps, got the phone since yesterdays >-< Aug 27 18:54:25 maik: I "tried" to get the middle one to hit the glass...I don't remember how it actually went down :D Aug 27 18:54:29 Schalla: you should be able to take it back to the store and have them swap it out if it doesn't work Aug 27 18:54:31 sugardave: heh Aug 27 18:54:37 and you did it with just one? Aug 27 18:54:41 yeah Aug 27 18:55:02 Well - The shop is 1 1/2 hours away with the car, but I guess o2 doesn't care to which shop I bring it back. Aug 27 18:55:14 balls Aug 27 18:55:22 Else its just a extreme test for the palm account :p Aug 27 18:55:47 i did what you suggested but still had to use a second one to take out the big guy. got 46k on the nose but still no *** Aug 27 18:55:49 * maik keeps trying Aug 27 18:56:08 I'm still trying to get 50K on 1-9 Aug 27 18:56:28 1 day a Pre and directly a defect, hm...^^ I liked it at the start - currently also - but a defect would be nice Aug 27 18:57:17 success! Aug 27 18:57:28 :( Aug 27 18:57:54 I've still got 1-15 through 1-21 to get the *** Aug 27 18:58:02 but I'm up to world 5 now Aug 27 18:58:17 your method doesn't seem to be working so well for me Aug 27 18:58:40 I might have missed...I'm not sure which one hit the glass Aug 27 18:59:36 maik I will tell you when it's finished what the result will be ;) Aug 27 19:00:21 64% currently Aug 27 19:01:05 maik: sorry, I think I remember now Aug 27 19:01:49 top large glass block on the left...aim the blue bird right at it and wait til the last minute to split them...if you do it right, should collapse everything to the bottom pig Aug 27 19:02:37 yeah, just did it again like that and upped my hs to 50800 Aug 27 19:04:19 agggh Aug 27 19:04:22 so close Aug 27 19:05:00 HAH! Aug 27 19:05:08 damn, 48260 Aug 27 19:05:13 ohhhh ***!!!! Aug 27 19:05:18 ytmnd! Aug 27 19:05:37 Wish me luck. Aug 27 19:05:41 its finished Aug 27 19:06:04 Schalla: good luck Aug 27 19:06:13 thanks m8 :D Aug 27 19:07:23 maik: did you know you can make the red bird scream like a banzai chicken when you tap the screen mid-flight? Aug 27 19:07:29 it's pretty funny Aug 27 19:07:29 hah, nope Aug 27 19:07:44 :/ Aug 27 19:07:49 Won't work :( Aug 27 19:08:08 Schalla: back to the store then :( Aug 27 19:09:11 Oh man :( Aug 27 19:09:14 Got it just 1 day.. Aug 27 19:16:09 What a shit, anyway.. Aug 27 19:16:17 * haeffb finished 1-21, time to get back to work Aug 27 19:18:42 Oh, hi Aug 27 19:19:30 yes Aug 27 19:20:23 * kesne is stuck on 3-7 Aug 27 19:22:08 pandora--: were you able to test the app? Aug 27 19:22:43 doh, not yet, but i'm about to take a lunch break and I can steal her pixi to test it Aug 27 19:27:36 that would be cool Aug 27 19:27:55 i may never get the back-end working, though :/ Aug 27 19:31:08 woot, level 3-8 here I come! Aug 27 19:42:20 3-8? psh Aug 27 19:42:31 of mario? Aug 27 19:42:41 * oil assumes angry birds Aug 27 19:43:52 No, I'm playing Super Mario 64 Aug 27 19:44:06 lol Aug 27 19:44:23 Love this game Aug 27 19:44:30 Angry Birds needs more pumpkin Aug 27 20:00:07 kesne: I thought you said you hated Angry Birds? Aug 27 20:00:12 I do Aug 27 20:00:55 he hates to love it Aug 27 20:01:01 heh Aug 27 20:13:02 you ever limp out of the bathroom... Aug 27 20:13:15 because your leg is asleep... Aug 27 20:13:23 because you were playing angry birds too long Aug 27 20:14:22 hahaha Aug 27 20:14:27 not yet Aug 27 20:20:26 lol egaudet Aug 27 20:20:38 i'm off! adios all Aug 27 20:20:51 i'll probably be trying to get my app working this weekend (and failing) Aug 27 20:23:41 A 2 days old Pre defect, hell yeah. Aug 27 20:37:04 Schalla. we know. Aug 27 20:37:27 Hardware defects happen. Take it back and exchange it for a good one. Aug 27 20:39:53 Will do it tommorow (: Aug 27 20:40:04 Hopefully I get directly a new in the store @ haeffb Aug 27 20:44:17 My day-one pre died the other day, and this morning I gave it one last chance before going to the store, and it woke up Aug 27 20:44:33 lol Aug 27 20:44:34 Well Aug 27 20:44:38 my touchscreen wont work just Aug 27 20:49:38 tried doctor u.s.w. Aug 27 21:02:47 * Tibfib got an email complaining about how they don't like my app anymore and they don't delete it only because they paid for it Aug 27 21:02:56 ... my app is free. Aug 27 21:03:01 hahaha Aug 27 21:03:13 Tibfib: ask your money back! Aug 27 21:04:21 Fail :) Aug 27 21:05:16 Tibfib: perhaps you should advise them to crack it and distribute it to others Aug 27 21:05:25 lol Aug 27 21:05:48 well I assume that's what they meant "This g;me used to be fun, now I have it at the bottom of my aps just cause I paid for it, makes me not delete it." Aug 27 21:06:09 I'm replying now Aug 27 21:06:29 Tibfib, what kind of app it is? Aug 27 21:06:41 puzzle game Aug 27 21:06:51 my first app, I don't really support it anymore Aug 27 21:07:15 err, I support it, just don't _care_ about it Aug 27 21:07:18 :D Aug 27 21:07:27 you mean Countdown Puzzle? Aug 27 21:07:33 Well - Hopefully I got tommorow again workin' pre --- Aug 27 21:07:35 *-_- Aug 27 21:07:42 sugardave: yes Aug 27 21:08:43 funny about not wanting to delete the app he paid for...offer to give him 5x his money back if he'll promise to never delete it Aug 27 21:08:55 A question, how often the phone safes the data? Aug 27 21:09:00 I honestly don't know why people feel the need to email the developer to say their apps sucks. Aug 27 21:09:06 sugardave: lol Aug 27 21:09:12 they can just come to #webos! Aug 27 21:09:14 Schalla: dayle Aug 27 21:09:31 Schalla: how the hell do you write that? Aug 27 21:09:50 Schalla: check in the backup app :) Aug 27 21:10:01 daily Aug 27 21:10:11 right! thanks sugardave Aug 27 21:10:15 np Aug 27 21:10:16 * madnificent feels like a mental retard now Aug 27 21:10:25 Ergh erm, madnificent... Well. Aug 27 21:10:26 "Hi Theresa, Countdown Puzzles is a free game. Have a nice day, Will" Aug 27 21:10:31 lol Aug 27 21:10:36 @ madnificent Aug 27 21:10:37 My Pre won't work since today anymore Aug 27 21:10:41 2 days after i bought it Aug 27 21:10:43 madnificent: english is stupid Aug 27 21:10:46 so I cant try it currently :p Aug 27 21:10:51 Tibfib: :D:D:D Aug 27 21:11:22 Tibfib: no, I should just learn it better... I don't know many languages, so my english 'd better be acceptable Aug 27 21:12:37 Where are you from? Aug 27 21:12:52 * madnificent ? Aug 27 21:13:13 Your homecountry? Aug 27 21:13:13 :p Aug 27 21:13:26 I wondered if you were talking about me, seems like you do Aug 27 21:13:32 I'm from Belgium Aug 27 21:13:49 Ah okay, yes I was. Aug 27 21:14:00 lol, I installed that rapportive extension for gmail, So it showed the person who emailed me's myspace page. Aug 27 21:14:13 I got a question guys. Aug 27 21:14:41 Could the reason that my Touchdisplay wasn't workin' anymore a App / Plugin/ Theme? :o Aug 27 21:14:58 it is possible Aug 27 21:15:47 Well I just used the Messenger Plugin, Preware and a customtheme. Aug 27 21:16:03 And a few apps from the offi. catalog Aug 27 21:16:11 bbl Aug 27 21:16:16 Schalla: it's tough to say Aug 27 21:16:18 my touchscreen went out because of a faulty usb port Aug 27 21:16:25 OH Aug 27 21:16:29 I thought you meant an app Aug 27 21:16:37 Schalla: It is unlikely Aug 27 21:16:42 but possible Aug 27 21:16:50 Hm. Aug 27 21:17:12 Got fear that it happen agian :X Aug 27 21:18:35 @dawm: Well, my wasn't connected to the USB when it happend. Aug 27 21:18:57 i was just sayin Aug 27 21:19:03 Yeah (: Aug 27 21:21:34 But HELL after 2 freakin days Aug 27 21:21:35 :D Aug 27 21:21:43 That's like a punch in the face. Aug 27 21:24:29 heh i have a subscription to Motor Trend until August 2014 .. for $5 bux cant beat that Aug 27 21:26:42 somebody tell Tibfib's customer that she can delete and reinstall even if she did pay for it. Aug 27 21:27:10 :D Aug 27 21:27:29 There is a exact time when the backup is made from palm? Aug 27 21:51:29 pandora--: what's the verdict? Aug 27 22:00:29 HattCzech: good timing Aug 27 22:00:34 just plugged in th epixi Aug 27 22:00:46 awesome Aug 27 22:01:58 so what do i do? Aug 27 22:02:02 ip/port? Aug 27 22:08:53 hey Aug 27 22:09:01 pdk apps score board is completely messed up lol Aug 27 22:09:12 there are no empty slots Aug 27 22:11:52 HattCzech: ? Aug 27 22:12:01 HattCzech: what am i supposed to do now that its running? Aug 27 22:12:13 type Aug 27 22:13:29 see if the text pops up Aug 27 22:14:21 what text? Aug 27 22:14:39 i launch it it says: ip address: Aug 27 22:14:41 and port: Aug 27 22:14:43 when you type? Aug 27 22:14:53 yeah, at least that shows up Aug 27 22:14:54 * pandora-- types Aug 27 22:14:59 means it displays properly :) Aug 27 22:15:12 well Aug 27 22:15:17 nothing pops up, per es Aug 27 22:15:18 *se Aug 27 22:15:21 and swipe foeward and back Aug 27 22:15:25 but i can type, and stuff is on screen Aug 27 22:15:36 can't input numbers Aug 27 22:15:39 but it types Aug 27 22:15:44 hmmm Aug 27 22:15:56 swipe fwd is just a black screen Aug 27 22:16:05 hang on Aug 27 22:18:45 see if that version lets you type Aug 27 22:25:51 sugardave: just got this from zdnet http://www.zdnet.com/photos/commodore-64-is-back-photos/460686?tag=nl.e589 Aug 27 22:30:11 bmyers: hah, nice Aug 27 22:30:27 $1300 bux!! Aug 27 22:30:44 I like that Invictus thing Aug 27 22:39:13 sugardave: looks cool too. probably expensive as well Aug 27 22:39:41 I imagine....will have to knock down some more apps :D Aug 27 22:46:36 hey rod. you there? Aug 27 22:47:46 any chance of releasing "DEVICE MENU MEGAMIX WITH MEDIA VOL CONTROL" patch? :) Jason said that he has cleared it for v1.4.5, but Preware says it is still not available for 1.4.5. Aug 27 22:48:14 how do most devs handle the question of preware vs the catalog? Aug 27 22:49:04 KnoxBNYC: there is no such patch in the submission queue Aug 27 22:49:14 my mistake. Aug 27 22:49:15 ugh Aug 27 22:49:24 oops Aug 27 22:49:27 i got the wrong one Aug 27 22:49:54 there are no patches from Jason in the submission queue Aug 27 22:50:10 "Fahrenheight for Device Megamix" is what I meant. Aug 27 22:51:36 i got my messages crossed :) Aug 27 22:52:46 bugjar: in what sense? Aug 27 22:57:56 well, i have most of the dev account registration signed up and keep having misgivings about the license agreement that says i can't release software elsewhere. Aug 27 22:58:21 it's not like it matters seriously, since i'm still teaching myself to program for it, but .... Aug 27 22:58:41 i'm mostly trying to clear myself of the misgivings Aug 27 23:01:29 bugjar: do you mean you are worried about not being able to have apps in PreWare and the official catalog? Aug 27 23:02:03 because that isn't an issue Aug 27 23:02:04 sugardave, yeah, something like that. Aug 27 23:02:52 you can put a beta version on precentral or in the beta palm feed or both as long as the package names are different Aug 27 23:03:03 sugardave, like i say, partly it seems like a superficial qualm, but it nags. Aug 27 23:03:13 and then later that app can be submitted to the regular catalog as long as it has a different package name Aug 27 23:03:22 yeah, I don't ever worry about it Aug 27 23:03:37 but I"m small potatoes Aug 27 23:04:15 sugardave, oh. ok. "package names are different"? as in, "bugjar" in preware, and "beetlejuice" in the catalog? Aug 27 23:04:27 com.bugjar.appname Aug 27 23:04:30 the appinfo id part Aug 27 23:04:38 sugardave, gotcha Aug 27 23:05:02 sugardave, there must be an aweful lot of com.example in preware Aug 27 23:05:23 haha, I don't know...I hope not :D Aug 27 23:06:10 sugardave, is preware mostly beta apps? or more people with a disinterest in the app catalog. Aug 27 23:06:35 preware has a lot of apps that can't be in the catalog for one reason or another Aug 27 23:06:40 ah Aug 27 23:07:34 and really, preware is a collection of app feeds Aug 27 23:07:42 for what you're talking about Aug 27 23:08:02 so you set up the palm catalog or not, or the precentral feed, etc...wherever you put your app Aug 27 23:08:15 and as long as other people are watching that same feed Aug 27 23:08:19 they'll see it Aug 27 23:11:43 how do you get to the treasure chest in 1-8? Aug 27 23:11:55 lol Aug 27 23:12:06 DON'T JUDGE ME! Aug 27 23:12:08 I like how someone can say #-# and everyone knows what they are talking about Aug 27 23:12:14 I don't think you can if it's the one I'm thinking of Aug 27 23:12:14 heh Aug 27 23:13:04 yeah, I don't think you can Aug 27 23:13:38 I need to go back through the ones I've done and zoom out to see if I'm missing any eggs Aug 27 23:13:45 hmm Aug 27 23:13:54 agh, you can zoom Aug 27 23:13:58 hahaha Aug 27 23:13:59 lol Aug 27 23:14:08 thanks sugardave. i'm developing against the emulator. seems like i'll finsih the registration. Aug 27 23:18:39 hey, i just went through the site and found out $1000 HP credit can't really get you anything =( Aug 27 23:18:55 ink Aug 27 23:19:00 like 1 color Aug 27 23:19:07 I dont use hp printer Aug 27 23:19:14 oh Aug 27 23:19:20 i can buy a crappy laptop... that's about it Aug 27 23:19:41 well, better get two apps then Aug 27 23:19:49 heh, i need to build 12 apps Aug 27 23:20:01 and win all 12, and maybe, just maybe i can get one of their blade server Aug 27 23:20:06 that will give me a lot of advantage Aug 27 23:20:18 blade server doesn't do you much without an enclosure Aug 27 23:20:41 * sugardave wants a Cell BE blade. Aug 27 23:21:04 but then I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it Aug 27 23:54:35 Nyceane: you can buy a webOS tablet. someday. Aug 28 00:24:12 hmmm, commandMenus can't be seen in a custom popup dialog? Aug 28 00:34:03 good question. Aug 28 00:34:23 the command/view menus are a property of the underlying scene...? Aug 28 00:35:11 hmm...no I tried to set them up in the dialog assistant Aug 28 00:35:33 now I've switched to a button, but it seems to not want to take the smallbutton class Aug 28 00:35:36 very strange Aug 28 00:40:57 lemketron: ping Aug 28 00:41:04 * sugardave crosses his fingers. Aug 28 00:41:09 god i hate how flash makes my macbook come to a crawl.. Aug 28 00:42:40 NIce, songwave has an update Aug 28 01:16:05 I miss Anivrom Aug 28 01:24:43 SuperNES, Super Nintendo Emulator, now in the testing feeds: http://bit.ly/SuperNES-WebOS Aug 28 01:24:46 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 28 02:59:57 2010