**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 31 02:59:57 2010
Aug 31 03:18:27 <kesne> I need money
Aug 31 03:18:53 <kesne> $500, to be exact
Aug 31 03:19:00 <kesne> Trying plan out KSO 3
Aug 31 03:19:09 <kesne> which may be rebranded to Villo
Aug 31 03:19:45 <LoneStar99> what is KSO?
Aug 31 03:20:20 <kesne> Keen Studios Online
Aug 31 03:20:30 <kesne> Online interactions
Aug 31 03:20:32 <kesne> for webOS
Aug 31 03:21:28 <LoneStar99> oh ok, but why $500 bucks?
Aug 31 03:21:37 <kesne> Leverages cross-app technologies to reduce developer work
Aug 31 03:21:59 <kesne> $500 will cover some hosting build-outs as well as development costs
Aug 31 03:22:18 <LoneStar99> development costs for you? or a 3rd party?
Aug 31 03:22:25 <kesne> Both
Aug 31 03:22:33 <kesne> I contact Roy Sutton for some of it
Aug 31 03:22:50 <LoneStar99> who is r.sutton?
Aug 31 03:26:01 <LoneStar99> oh he is  webos coder..
Aug 31 03:26:26 <kesne> yeah
Aug 31 03:26:28 <kesne> pre101
Aug 31 03:26:33 <LoneStar99> yeah
Aug 31 03:26:41 <LoneStar99> did a search
Aug 31 03:35:02 <kesne> yeah
Aug 31 03:36:13 <LoneStar99> gonna retire some apps
Aug 31 03:37:15 <JenP> hi all!
Aug 31 03:42:20 <kesne> JenP!
Aug 31 03:42:34 <JenP> kesne!!!
Aug 31 03:42:39 <kesne> Whats up?
Aug 31 03:42:48 <JenP> not much. you?
Aug 31 03:44:14 <kesne> Just trying to raise money
Aug 31 03:44:22 <JenP> for what?
Aug 31 03:44:30 <kesne> KSO 3
Aug 31 03:44:32 <kesne> Or Villo
Aug 31 03:44:40 <kesne> Whatever name i decide on
Aug 31 03:45:37 <JenP> what's that?
Aug 31 03:47:32 <kesne> Online interactions for webOS apps
Aug 31 03:48:42 <JenP> cool
Aug 31 03:49:03 <kesne> yeah
Aug 31 03:51:40 <LoneStar99> how would interactions work?
Aug 31 04:02:00 <LoneStar99> kesne: you have as sample of the interaction?
Aug 31 04:14:12 <k-> LoneStar99: when you're out and about with a notebook&pre, how do you tether?
Aug 31 04:17:08 <LoneStar99> simply carry around the usb cord that came with the pre, is that what u mean?
Aug 31 04:18:43 <k-> yes.
Aug 31 04:19:28 <k-> LoneStar99: do you have a pastie of your /etc/dnsmasq.palm.conf : i'm failing greatly...
Aug 31 04:25:03 <LoneStar99> yeah let me get it
Aug 31 04:25:25 <k-> LoneStart99: only if you have time... no rush..
Aug 31 04:26:14 <k-> LoneStar99: thanks for your support
Aug 31 04:26:16 <LoneStar99> k-:  is that in the device?
Aug 31 04:28:03 <k-> in the device:: i don't quite understand... if you refer to the /etc/dnsmasq.palm.conf then yes... on the linux using novacom/term or extracted from webos-doctor in resources/$(tar xvf webOS.tar) -- cd etc/dnsmasq.palm.conf
Aug 31 04:29:31 <LoneStar99> k-: what are u trying to do?
Aug 31 04:29:35 <k-> great: it just magically started working...
Aug 31 04:29:41 <k-> TETHER!
Aug 31 04:30:03 <LoneStar99> without a cord?
Aug 31 04:30:27 <LoneStar99> w/o the usb cord?
Aug 31 04:31:31 <k-> with one.
Aug 31 04:32:02 <LoneStar99> are you developing a PDK app?
Aug 31 04:32:41 <k-> :edit dnsmasq.conf: interface=usb0...dhcp-range=192.168.0.31,192.168.0.33,255.255.255.0,12h ; { stop dnsmasq && sleep 1 && start dnsmasq ;} => run dhclient from localhost..
Aug 31 04:32:53 <k-> no: so i should probablystfu now..
Aug 31 04:33:36 <k-> LoneStart99 thanks again, bye.
Aug 31 04:38:31 <k-> :thx again..
Aug 31 05:37:10 <kesne> LoneStar99: You still around?
Aug 31 05:42:40 <kesne> LoneStar99: If you have skype or something, I'd demo it
Aug 31 05:52:19 <kesne> Basically, the way it works is the user sends a service request to the application, which opens up a screen asking if they are sure they want to allow the app to access the information
Aug 31 05:53:26 <kesne> Then, if the user selects yes, we use the applicationManager service to launch the app that requested the info, and passing back the profile info in the launch Parameters
Aug 31 06:26:14 <TheSavaLord> is everyone asleep
Aug 31 06:26:19 <pandora--> no
Aug 31 06:26:59 <TheSavaLord> verizon is pissing me off are they pissng others off also?
Aug 31 06:28:37 <kesne> I'm out folks
Aug 31 06:28:37 <kesne> have a good night
Aug 31 06:28:37 <TheSavaLord> 2 separate pre+ phones with the same exact issue! and I and verizon can't troubleshoot it.
Aug 31 06:28:49 <TheSavaLord> with GPS
Aug 31 06:29:29 <TheSavaLord> and no it's not the one issue where it only works in vznav
Aug 31 06:29:47 <TheSavaLord> iit doesn't even work at all in vznav
Aug 31 06:31:34 <TheSavaLord> it's like the apps can't access the gps antenna
Aug 31 06:35:18 <hotdp> sounds bad
Aug 31 06:35:54 <TheSavaLord> 2 brand new cells
Aug 31 06:38:33 <hotdp> have you contacted palm support?
Aug 31 06:38:38 <hotdp> technical?
Aug 31 06:40:11 <TheSavaLord> I think my previous one was technical this one it just started working when I turned on google services
Aug 31 06:40:56 <TheSavaLord> I had google services on the other one and it didn't work no matter what I did
Aug 31 06:45:56 <TheSavaLord> Now my other Gripe with Verizon
Aug 31 06:46:40 <TheSavaLord> webos 1.4.5 for pixi is released for vzw
Aug 31 06:47:07 <TheSavaLord> not pre+
Aug 31 06:52:12 <pandora--> hehe
Aug 31 06:52:14 <pandora--> so weird
Aug 31 06:53:22 <TheSavaLord> now I wonder if they are going to release it at all
Aug 31 06:54:00 <hotdp> I ask if you have contacted palm technical support?
Aug 31 06:54:07 <hotdp> You can chat with them
Aug 31 06:55:28 <TheSavaLord> with the gps issue or 1.4.5 release
Aug 31 06:55:51 <hotdp> everything
Aug 31 06:56:57 <TheSavaLord> I just got the GPS working thanks to chrisA. I had to turn on google services also.
Aug 31 06:57:36 <TheSavaLord> with the previous cell when I had both on it would only find me within 10miles
Aug 31 06:58:42 <TheSavaLord> the guy at verizon store couldn't even get that one to work. so that was a hardware issue
Aug 31 07:00:30 <TheSavaLord> about the 1.4.5 palm won't do anything
Aug 31 07:01:51 <iWinRar> huh?
Aug 31 07:02:53 <TheSavaLord> iWinRar. VZW released webos 1.4.5 for the pixi
Aug 31 07:03:04 <TheSavaLord> not the pre
Aug 31 07:03:10 <iWinRar> yea i know
Aug 31 07:03:21 <iWinRar> the pixi update was the bigger update
Aug 31 07:04:13 <TheSavaLord> so if they would of put the pre out it would of freed up the servers faster
Aug 31 07:05:11 <TheSavaLord> I even asked vzw this week about the pre update and they said they have no clue when
Aug 31 07:06:03 <iWinRar> isnt it up to the providers to allow the updates?
Aug 31 07:06:45 <TheSavaLord> yeah so it's up to vzw
Aug 31 07:07:36 <TheSavaLord> if they don't want to put it out for the pre+ saying it's an end of life cell they can.
Aug 31 07:08:12 <TheSavaLord> so people with a vzw pre+ can be out of luck
Aug 31 07:10:24 <iWinRar> ehh that would piss off enough people lol
Aug 31 07:10:40 <iWinRar> ive almost finished angry birds lol
Aug 31 07:10:58 <TheSavaLord> they already pissed off everyone with the gps issue
Aug 31 07:12:03 <iWinRar> meh screw gps lol
Aug 31 07:14:18 <TheSavaLord> yeah well I been waiting for 1.4.5 for a long time
Aug 31 07:14:53 <TheSavaLord> my prediction was correct thou but I hated saying it
Aug 31 07:15:27 <iWinRar> u ever play angry birds?
Aug 31 07:15:34 <TheSavaLord> no
Aug 31 07:15:43 <iWinRar> i bet angry birds will be on the pixi before att gets 1.4.5 :D lol
Aug 31 07:16:29 <TheSavaLord> prob before VZW pre+ has 1.4.5
Aug 31 07:17:11 <iWinRar> well i dunno
Aug 31 07:17:29 <iWinRar> still sucks that 1.4.5 took so long to get out with the pdk hot app program goin on
Aug 31 07:17:38 <iWinRar> kinda screwed developers some
Aug 31 07:18:16 <TheSavaLord> I really can't understand why vzw isn't releasing both at the same time
Aug 31 07:19:13 <iWinRar> i dunno where do the updates ceom from verizons servers or plams?
Aug 31 07:19:46 <TheSavaLord> I don't know
Aug 31 07:21:32 <iWinRar> well the load would be on verizons network but i guess that could be why they would break it up, dunno tho
Aug 31 07:21:35 <TheSavaLord> I'm pretty sure it's from vzw since they are the ones who release it
Aug 31 07:22:03 <rwhitby> they come from a content delivery network, owned by Palm, and I expect it is released when vzw tells Palm they are allowed to release it
Aug 31 07:22:04 <TheSavaLord> wouldn't vzw have a bigger farm then palm
Aug 31 07:22:07 <iWinRar> they could just wanna break up the load
Aug 31 07:22:24 * k- k- tosses some http://7-zip.org to iWinRar
Aug 31 07:22:45 <iWinRar> lol thanks k-
Aug 31 07:22:57 <iWinRar> rwhitby, thanks for the protip ?D
Aug 31 07:22:57 <k-> =)
Aug 31 07:23:08 <TheSavaLord> well I have a new pre+ in my hands
Aug 31 07:23:31 <iWinRar> i have a pre-
Aug 31 07:23:47 <TheSavaLord> first pre+ 4 keys went out
Aug 31 07:24:10 <TheSavaLord> 2nd pre+ the gps didn't work
Aug 31 07:25:09 <TheSavaLord> get an att pre+ and change out the radio lol
Aug 31 07:25:49 <iWinRar> ehh id only do that if i found one for a low price
Aug 31 07:26:09 <iWinRar> not going to waste my time or money  when im hoping for a new phone by ... well soon
Aug 31 07:26:41 <TheSavaLord> but what carrier will get the new one first
Aug 31 07:27:03 <iWinRar> i hopin sprint
Aug 31 07:27:14 <iWinRar> sprint seems to be the big palm folk
Aug 31 07:27:33 <TheSavaLord> there have been hints about sprint and vzw
Aug 31 07:27:52 <iWinRar> and att got iOS and vzw seems to be android fanboys
Aug 31 07:28:40 <TheSavaLord> but the pre+ end of life on vzw is in October
Aug 31 07:29:03 <TheSavaLord> but they aren't ending the pixis
Aug 31 07:30:01 <iWinRar> maybe the pixi sells better on vzw
Aug 31 07:31:39 <TheSavaLord> maybe or maybe they are going to have a pre 2 for the higher end
Aug 31 07:32:06 <iWinRar> all speculation at this point
Aug 31 07:32:40 <TheSavaLord> yep
Aug 31 07:33:41 <iWinRar> i got until feb to get a new phone anyway lol
Aug 31 07:34:04 <TheSavaLord> main reason you want 1.4.5 is for the new wirc
Aug 31 07:34:31 <iWinRar> yea hats new in the new wirc?
Aug 31 07:34:40 <iWinRar> the reason i wanted 1.4.5 was angry birds :D
Aug 31 07:35:48 <TheSavaLord> dcc chat. dcc send. bug fixes and a bunch of stuff added between the older one and the newer one
Aug 31 07:36:20 <iWinRar> dcc isnt a big thing for me
Aug 31 07:37:01 <TheSavaLord> there is a huge bug for me in this version
Aug 31 07:37:14 <iWinRar> oh whats that?
Aug 31 07:37:37 <iWinRar> i dont use it much, just when im not at home and im waiting for a responce about something
Aug 31 07:37:47 <iWinRar> or if im bored
Aug 31 07:38:40 <TheSavaLord> the list command crashes the wirc connection to where you have to reconnect
Aug 31 07:39:40 <iWinRar> i still wish it would be in all one card
Aug 31 07:40:24 <TheSavaLord> actually I think the new one can do that
Aug 31 07:40:39 <iWinRar> oh nice
Aug 31 07:40:56 <TheSavaLord> but I'm not 100% sure since I can't use it yet
Aug 31 07:41:23 <iWinRar> lol
Aug 31 07:42:17 <TheSavaLord> you haven't even gotten the new one yet
Aug 31 07:42:40 <iWinRar> ehh i dont update my apps very often :D
Aug 31 07:43:32 <iWinRar> tho this 1.4.5 seems to have a negitive effect on my battyer life, i might doctor and see if it helps
Aug 31 07:44:48 <TheSavaLord> well I'm heading out have fun with the pd apps I know I cant
Aug 31 07:44:55 <TheSavaLord> pdk
Aug 31 07:45:09 <iWinRar> always
Aug 31 07:48:01 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 31 07:48:18 <iWinRar> afternoon
Aug 31 07:50:08 <swisstomcat> afternoon? in which part of the world?
Aug 31 07:51:07 <iWinRar> the united states
Aug 31 07:51:18 <iWinRar> noon happened almost 15 hours ago
Aug 31 07:51:22 <iWinRar> and its after that point
Aug 31 08:07:17 <hotdp> good morning swisstomcat
Aug 31 08:07:30 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Aug 31 09:35:32 <hotdp> Can some please help me with performance? my app "lags" when scrooling
Aug 31 09:41:53 <swisstomcat> hmm
Aug 31 09:41:56 <swisstomcat> long list?
Aug 31 09:54:47 <hotdp> you longer thes worse
Aug 31 09:54:50 <hotdp> 1 sec i count
Aug 31 09:55:13 <hotdp> 25 items
Aug 31 09:56:44 <hotdp> The "funny" thing is, i have on list with 40 items. It runs fine! i then pres on one item on goes to a new scene with a new list with 25 items and that scene lags?
Aug 31 09:56:51 <hotdp> *one
Aug 31 10:01:12 <hotdp> can i tweak the list or should i load the list on button pres?
Aug 31 10:01:18 <hotdp> i think it is wierd
Aug 31 10:06:04 <hotdp> ps. i does not lag on the emulator
Aug 31 10:50:30 <hotdp> swisstomcat
Aug 31 10:50:41 <hotdp> i was writing to you but your where not here :D
Aug 31 10:51:18 <swisstomcat> yeah, i left for lunch
Aug 31 12:58:49 <hotdp> Roy-Pre101 are you here?
Aug 31 13:01:21 <Bmyers> $L("Good Morning");
Aug 31 13:01:35 <hotdp> Bmyers good morning
Aug 31 13:02:14 <Bmyers> hello hotdp
Aug 31 13:02:27 <Bmyers> quiet in here today
Aug 31 13:02:35 <hotdp> :)
Aug 31 13:02:38 <hotdp> before the storm ;)¨
Aug 31 13:02:53 <Bmyers> yeah..
Aug 31 13:05:55 <hotdp> Someone in here who knows Metrix?
Aug 31 13:07:35 <swisstomcat> bmyers: guten morgen
Aug 31 13:08:20 <Bmyers> hi swisstomcat  hows it going over there?
Aug 31 13:08:39 <swisstomcat> good, good
Aug 31 13:08:59 <swisstomcat> Part 2 of my tutorial "Introduction to webOS SDK Development" is now online: http://bit.ly/bLw7uJ
Aug 31 13:09:52 <Roy-Pre101> hotdp: Morning
Aug 31 13:09:53 <Bmyers> quite the labor of love there
Aug 31 13:10:09 <swisstomcat> in the tut?
Aug 31 13:10:32 <Bmyers> yes
Aug 31 13:11:00 <swisstomcat> i hope it's helpful .. part 3 is in the works .. maybe even a part 4
Aug 31 13:12:39 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre: is here. gotta stop talking trash about him now swisstomcat
Aug 31 13:13:58 <swisstomcat> yeah, otherwise he might get angry
Aug 31 13:15:44 <funkatron> yeah
Aug 31 13:18:31 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
Aug 31 13:21:33 * haeffb_pre is still losing the battle to lazy loaded filterlists
Aug 31 13:22:01 <HattCzech_work> i'm losing a battle to pdk apps :/
Aug 31 13:22:05 <HattCzech_work> so i know how it feels
Aug 31 13:25:59 <hotdp> someone here suing admob?
Aug 31 13:26:43 <Bmyers> yes
Aug 31 13:27:07 <Bmyers> oh, no. idk. they are?
Aug 31 13:27:32 <hotdp> Bmyers are you using admob
Aug 31 13:27:58 <Bmyers> i use them yeah. what is the lawsuit about?
Aug 31 13:28:18 <swisstomcat> hi hattczech
Aug 31 13:28:48 <swisstomcat> i don't use ads
Aug 31 13:46:59 <bhodder> morning all
Aug 31 13:47:44 <Anivrom|pre> Morn
Aug 31 13:48:20 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 31 13:49:16 <bhodder> anything much happening this morning
Aug 31 13:50:13 <swisstomcat> not too much .. already 3:50pm
Aug 31 13:50:52 <HattCzech_work> i'm using admob
Aug 31 13:51:12 <HattCzech_work> suing or using? ;)
Aug 31 13:54:11 <hotdp> using
Aug 31 13:54:24 <hotdp> I am just confussed why i do not get any apps
Aug 31 13:54:26 <hotdp> ads
Aug 31 13:56:09 <HattCzech_work> people aren't buying a lot of them
Aug 31 13:56:18 <HattCzech_work> so the impression rate is lower
Aug 31 13:56:37 <HattCzech_work> setup a house ad if you have multiple apps
Aug 31 14:01:18 <bhodder> cool
Aug 31 14:20:33 <hotdp> bbl
Aug 31 14:25:40 <LoneStar99> morning, does chuqui automatically remove feedback with curse words?
Aug 31 14:36:32 <chandler> Anyone here have a VZW pixi plus? I can't actually get any of the PDK games Palm lists here: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/08/got-game-palm-pixi-plus-on-verizon-does.html
Aug 31 14:38:40 <HattCzech_work> verizon doesn't have 1.4.5, does it?
Aug 31 14:39:08 <HattCzech_work> LoneStar99: i don't think it's automatic, but he checks periodically
Aug 31 14:39:10 <chandler> I'd give you a link to show that it does, but I already pasted it :-)
Aug 31 14:39:38 <HattCzech_work> some words are automatic, but not all
Aug 31 14:39:58 <HattCzech_work> some of the more creative or obscure ones need to be manually removed
Aug 31 15:12:26 <maik> morning
Aug 31 15:13:55 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Aug 31 15:15:15 <swisstomcat> i'm looking at a page called "SICK Partner Portal" .. is that weird?
Aug 31 15:16:21 <halfhalo> what in the what what?
Aug 31 15:16:35 <bhodder> lol my thoughts to
Aug 31 15:16:43 <swisstomcat> see for yourself
Aug 31 15:17:07 <sugardave> no, it's not weird.  It's SICK
Aug 31 15:17:09 <swisstomcat> https://www.mysick.com/eCat.aspx?go=DataSheet&Cat=Row&At=Fa&Cult=English&ProductID=7133
Aug 31 15:18:00 <swisstomcat> they should change their company name
Aug 31 15:18:04 <bhodder> ohh ok
Aug 31 15:18:07 <bhodder> agreed
Aug 31 15:22:20 <swisstomcat> mornin' lonestar
Aug 31 15:22:26 <LoneStar99> morning
Aug 31 15:23:05 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work:  yeah my feedback is "this shit does not work - fucking wish for money back"
Aug 31 15:26:38 <halfhalo> I hate mysql right now
Aug 31 15:26:52 <LoneStar99> with a no stars... some people really suck
Aug 31 15:28:48 <swisstomcat> yeah, some reviews suck
Aug 31 15:29:00 <halfhalo> ... This program shall burn
Aug 31 15:33:08 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: which program will burn?
Aug 31 15:33:27 <halfhalo> Stupid feedback widget that broke when we moved DB servers
Aug 31 15:35:08 <LoneStar99> oh at work?
Aug 31 15:35:11 <halfhalo> yeah
Aug 31 15:35:46 <LoneStar99> that sucks, u trying to fix it now?
Aug 31 15:35:54 <halfhalo> yeah
Aug 31 15:36:06 <halfhalo> The widget itself works, but the admin pages don't
Aug 31 15:36:09 <halfhalo> which epicly fails
Aug 31 15:36:59 <HattCzech_work> LoneStar99: i have a few of those reviews as well... it's annoying
Aug 31 15:37:12 <HattCzech_work> i even had one that was 0 stars with a smiley face... that was nice
Aug 31 15:38:11 <hotdp> lol
Aug 31 15:38:18 <hotdp> that is "fun"
Aug 31 15:38:29 <hotdp> like i give you 0 because i can
Aug 31 15:42:24 <halfhalo> AHA!
Aug 31 15:42:30 <halfhalo> The dates are wrong!
Aug 31 15:43:55 <LoneStar99> HattCzech_work:  0 --> =) that is nuts
Aug 31 15:44:15 <HattCzech_work> yeah, good stuff
Aug 31 15:44:17 <halfhalo> or not...
Aug 31 15:47:24 <LoneStar99> yeah over the weekend, decided to kill off like 3 apps, that are beyond fixing with such bad feedback
Aug 31 15:47:47 <LoneStar99> actually 4
Aug 31 15:48:44 <Wolvenhaven> leave them up
Aug 31 15:48:49 <Wolvenhaven> just transfer all proceeds to me
Aug 31 15:48:58 <Wolvenhaven> i'll deal with the hatemail
Aug 31 15:51:13 <halfhalo> Ok, thats retarted
Aug 31 15:51:20 <halfhalo> Its due to a blank field
Aug 31 15:51:30 <LoneStar99> some have not sold in a month or so, and really do not feel like maintaining for more shit feedback and sluggish sales
Aug 31 15:59:48 <LoneStar99> will open up the code to one  --> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.buildasearch.coloroo.app
Aug 31 16:00:45 <swisstomcat> bbl
Aug 31 16:06:58 <chuqui> morning, all
Aug 31 16:08:30 <halfhalo> murnin
Aug 31 16:08:57 <halfhalo> holycrap
Aug 31 16:09:01 <hotdp> Godmorgen
Aug 31 16:09:11 <halfhalo> forgot to remove email php code from page
Aug 31 16:09:21 * halfhalo runs to break server to stop the spam
Aug 31 16:12:52 * DougReeder waves hello
Aug 31 16:14:45 * hotdp waves back
Aug 31 16:15:43 <halfhalo> hehehehe
Aug 31 16:15:49 <halfhalo> Got ctcp working
Aug 31 16:17:54 <DougReeder> ctcp?
Aug 31 16:18:21 <halfhalo> its the irc protocol that does the /me stuff basically
Aug 31 16:19:14 <DougReeder> in a webOS app?
Aug 31 16:19:23 <halfhalo> eww, webos
Aug 31 16:19:24 <halfhalo> :p
Aug 31 16:20:44 <DougReeder> using websockets?
Aug 31 16:26:15 <halfhalo> mebe
Aug 31 16:36:17 <tMo_> Having some trouble SSHing into my pre.. macbooks-macbook:~ macbook$ ssh -p 10022 root@localhost @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA 
Aug 31 16:36:25 <tMo_> That's what i'm seeing
Aug 31 16:40:19 <Robdor> tMo_: Did you doctor your pre recently?
Aug 31 16:40:34 <tMo_> yes
Aug 31 16:40:42 <tMo_> Just last night
Aug 31 16:41:25 <Robdor> You should be safe to remove the entry for your pre in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and try again.
Aug 31 16:41:43 <tMo_> ok I'll give it a try
Aug 31 16:41:45 <bhodder> tMo_, on your mac you will probably have to do "rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts"
Aug 31 16:43:30 <sugardave> phantom webOS hacking gremlins
Aug 31 16:44:37 <tMo_> ah thank you so much! You're a gentleman, and a scholar
Aug 31 16:48:47 <halfhalo> woot woot
Aug 31 16:49:25 <halfhalo> it does stuff with IP now
Aug 31 16:50:54 <halfhalo> sure, it doesn't do quit yet... or any input... but who the hell wants that stuff?
Aug 31 16:56:33 <halfhalo_> its dead...
Aug 31 16:59:34 <Nyceane> hey
Aug 31 16:59:42 <Nyceane> anybody have angry bird on their phone?
Aug 31 17:00:21 <sugardave> pretty much everyone, I think
Aug 31 17:00:30 <Nyceane> lol
Aug 31 17:05:38 <bhodder> I havent managed to get it yet
Aug 31 17:06:33 <hotdp> I know 2 who don't have it. But that is because they can not acces paid apps..
Aug 31 17:07:03 <discombobulate> whats angry bird?
Aug 31 17:07:18 <sugardave> ANGRY BIRDS ARE ANGRY
Aug 31 17:08:38 <LoneStar99> do not hva angry birds, but then again, only use my pre for dev...
Aug 31 17:10:44 <bhodder> that and if you dont have a credit card :(
Aug 31 17:12:24 <LoneStar99> bhodder: yeah that may prevent it...
Aug 31 17:12:41 <bhodder> lol just slightly
Aug 31 17:15:03 <pandora--> LoneStar99: my pre is only a wifi device for me
Aug 31 17:15:12 <pandora--> LoneStar99: but it has angry birds :)
Aug 31 17:15:30 <pandora--> there's no cell service hooked up to it
Aug 31 17:16:56 <LoneStar99> pandora--: same here - minus the angry birds
Aug 31 17:17:34 <pandora--> LoneStar99: you should get angry birds
Aug 31 17:17:39 <pandora--> seriously
Aug 31 17:20:47 <LoneStar99> pandora--: my sister and step-mom have it on "ipod" and "ipad"
Aug 31 17:21:04 <halfhalo_> yay hacky fixes!
Aug 31 17:21:15 <LoneStar99> i think my family has given the developer, enough money =)
Aug 31 17:21:25 <pandora--> hah
Aug 31 17:26:12 <Nyceane> I just found out what I am getting for christmas
Aug 31 17:26:41 <Nyceane> http://www.andreaair.com/
Aug 31 17:27:25 <HattCzech_work> pandora--: you rang yesterday?
Aug 31 17:27:35 <HattCzech_work> i don't suppose you got that app working again in the pixi? :)
Aug 31 17:33:00 <halfhalo_> uggg... got roped into making a new feedback widget
Aug 31 17:41:48 <kesne> Hey all
Aug 31 17:42:11 <LoneStar99> hello kesne
Aug 31 17:47:03 <sugardave> so is all the Palm tweeting due to 1.4.5 finally coming to everything...or something better?
Aug 31 17:47:33 * sugardave refreshes the dropbox.  Again.
Aug 31 17:48:09 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: how's angry birds coming along?
Aug 31 17:48:16 <HattCzech_work> i've been spending way too much time on it
Aug 31 17:48:33 <sugardave> I've taken a break the last few days to work on some apps.  I think I'm on 5-5 or soe
Aug 31 17:48:36 <sugardave> so
Aug 31 17:49:04 <sugardave> I think I"m only msising *** on a couple of the levels in 1
Aug 31 17:53:29 <sugardave> hi chuqui
Aug 31 17:53:40 <HattCzech_work> i got 3 stars on levels 1-3
Aug 31 17:53:52 <HattCzech_work> a couple left on 4 and even more on 5
Aug 31 17:54:19 <sugardave> I've only found 3 golden eggs, though
Aug 31 17:54:32 <sugardave> and I haven't figured out what the giant beak in the one egg is supposed to do
Aug 31 17:54:34 <HattCzech_work> heheh, i just looked up where those were
Aug 31 17:54:58 <HattCzech_work> i can't find the rocket one, and it's supposed to be on 5-19
Aug 31 17:55:02 <sugardave> I like to complete before I cheat :D
Aug 31 17:55:24 <chuqui> ehy
Aug 31 17:55:32 <HattCzech_work> it's not cheating :) it's finding the solution
Aug 31 17:55:39 <HattCzech_work> i can't cheat to get 3 stars
Aug 31 17:55:45 <sugardave> haha
Aug 31 17:55:50 <sugardave> I meant the eggs :D
Aug 31 17:55:51 <HattCzech_work> i have to spend way too much time on each level
Aug 31 17:56:16 <sugardave> interesting, pre-paid Palm phones on VZW?
Aug 31 17:56:17 <HattCzech_work> want an answer on the beak? i just figured it out
Aug 31 17:56:28 <sugardave> nah, I'll mess with it later
Aug 31 17:56:33 <sugardave> got a meeting in 5
Aug 31 17:58:02 <halfhalo_> I hear pre people in this room
Aug 31 17:58:23 * sugardave tries to find meaning in chuqui's youtube link.
Aug 31 17:59:59 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 18:00:21 <halfhalo> I hear new message notification of a pre/pixi
Aug 31 18:00:48 <sugardave> quick!  go find out if they like college sports!
Aug 31 18:00:56 <sugardave> and then tell themto download my app!
Aug 31 18:01:50 <halfhalo> Lol
Aug 31 18:03:17 <halfhalo> I do not like xchat...
Aug 31 18:04:12 <halfhalo> I really do not
Aug 31 18:05:46 <halfhalo> and apparently git no works over wifi network...
Aug 31 18:08:07 <halfhalo> rawrwarwar
Aug 31 18:09:05 <halfhalo> oh, hey, your right sugardave... my nodules thingie does not like linux
Aug 31 18:12:33 <chuqui> sugardave: there is no meaning. there is just being.
Aug 31 18:12:52 <chuqui> of course, there is also THIS: http://www.precentral.net/webos-20-details-stacks-exhibition-just-type
Aug 31 18:13:27 <sugardave> whee!
Aug 31 18:13:50 <halfhalo> ooooohhhh shiny
Aug 31 18:14:15 <halfhalo> ooohhh new api....
Aug 31 18:16:22 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Where's the original source for this?  I saw the Gizmodo article.
Aug 31 18:16:45 <kesne> I like it
Aug 31 18:17:25 * halfhalo wants sdk!
Aug 31 18:17:42 <Roy-Pre101> Ah so.
Aug 31 18:17:54 <kesne> Holy motherfucking shit that looks nice
Aug 31 18:18:08 <Roy-Pre101> Argh...  https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2107
Aug 31 18:19:13 <halfhalo> sugardave... guess what is on webos :p
Aug 31 18:20:00 <chuqui> okay, initial webos 2.0 info is up on our portal: http://developer.palm.com/
Aug 31 18:20:02 <halfhalo> node.js on webos is win
Aug 31 18:20:14 * halfhalo now is kicking his node stuff into high gear
Aug 31 18:20:19 <chuqui> if you're a member of early access, check the private forums. stuff is coming soon.
Aug 31 18:20:40 <chuqui> if you're NOT a member of early access, well.. http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573
Aug 31 18:21:01 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: does that mean my dropbox is updating at home?
Aug 31 18:21:37 <chuqui> HattCzech_work:  not QUITE yet.
Aug 31 18:21:41 <chuqui> but soon. soon.
Aug 31 18:21:45 <HattCzech_work> excellent
Aug 31 18:21:49 * HattCzech_work taps fingers
Aug 31 18:22:09 * halfhalo would like to point out the MASSIVE potential for js apps now
Aug 31 18:22:17 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Mad props to you guys, as the kids said (10 years ago?)
Aug 31 18:22:45 <Roy-Pre101> This is really, really great stuff.
Aug 31 18:23:14 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 31 18:23:47 <chandler> chuqui: I'm seeing conflicting information on whether I need to have an app in the catalog to apply.
Aug 31 18:26:02 <chuqui> chandler: you do NOT need an app in the catalog to apply.
Aug 31 18:26:11 <chandler> Great, thanks.
Aug 31 18:26:18 * halfhalo wants to know the node version in webos 2.0
Aug 31 18:26:35 <chandler> (Someone should tell precentral.)
Aug 31 18:27:17 <halfhalo> mostly because the api changes every other day
Aug 31 18:28:38 <sk4jc> chuqui: do I need to send you an email to access to the dropbox?
Aug 31 18:28:58 <chuqui> sk4jc: check the private forums for more info on downloads.
Aug 31 18:29:15 * halfhalo will put up some simple node stuff later if anyone is interested
Aug 31 18:29:22 <chuqui> (apologies in advance if my answers are generic, slow or missing. my inbox ahs exploded)
Aug 31 18:29:56 <HattCzech_work> it says we can download the beta sdk if we're in early access... is that true? or are we waiting fro dropbox?
Aug 31 18:31:13 <chandler> Ugh. I've just reset my password twice and it still won't let me sign in.
Aug 31 18:31:24 <chandler> (to the developer center)
Aug 31 18:32:02 * halfhalo has many questions that he wants answered
Aug 31 18:32:35 <sk4jc> I must be blind
Aug 31 18:32:56 <chandler> Oh. PEBKAC.
Aug 31 18:34:47 <Freebird> any interesting tidbits in the new emu?
Aug 31 18:37:59 <Anivrom|pre> Rawr I'm glad webos 2.0 is available on existing devices
Aug 31 18:38:10 <halfhalo> ll
Aug 31 18:38:12 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 18:39:50 <dgathright> funny watching #node.js blow up with all the webOS 2.0 discussion. The announcement has certainly perked some interest.
Aug 31 18:40:10 * halfhalo was interested before the announcement
Aug 31 18:42:06 <dgathright> halfhalo: We'll be in the "We were into it before it was cool!" group. :)
Aug 31 18:42:14 <Anivrom|pre> Mountain dew: yum
Aug 31 18:42:20 <halfhalo> Yup
Aug 31 18:42:26 <Freebird> so no juicy info in the emulator? lol
Aug 31 18:42:29 <halfhalo> Now back to my node irc script
Aug 31 18:42:42 <Freebird> where is rod when u need him to rip thee emu apart :D
Aug 31 18:43:21 <pygi> does this means new device is on the way as well? :D
Aug 31 18:43:24 * pygi hopes
Aug 31 18:43:35 <Anivrom|pre> Are there gonna be any intermediate versions of webos before 2.0? :O
Aug 31 18:44:00 <Roy-Pre101> Anivrom|pre: Yes, but no carriers will ever release them!
Aug 31 18:44:09 <swisstomcat> 2.0 stuff ... i'm floored :)
Aug 31 18:44:12 <Anivrom|pre> Heh.
Aug 31 18:44:23 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 18:44:32 <sugardave> okay, had my stupid meeting and missed all the chat fun
Aug 31 18:45:25 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 18:45:30 <halfhalo> basically, node on webos
Aug 31 18:45:31 <halfhalo> :p
Aug 31 18:45:43 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Does the emulator now support audio out of the box?
Aug 31 18:45:49 <sugardave> just what we thought, eh?
Aug 31 18:45:50 <Anivrom|pre> Natively...
Aug 31 18:46:08 <sugardave> lemketron: !  I have a host emulator mode question for you
Aug 31 18:46:51 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 31 18:46:53 <sugardave> lemketron: namely, how do you clear cookies/dbs from the host emulator
Aug 31 18:47:10 <Anivrom|pre> Delete the app and reinstall?
Aug 31 18:47:15 <sugardave> nope
Aug 31 18:47:20 <Anivrom|pre> That's what I do
Aug 31 18:47:27 <sugardave> apparently host emulator keeps a separate store
Aug 31 18:47:35 <sugardave> Anivrom|pre: you don't use host emulator mode
Aug 31 18:47:37 <Anivrom|pre> Oh
Aug 31 18:48:00 <Anivrom|pre> Assuredly I do sugardave
Aug 31 18:48:12 <sugardave> I thought you used Ares and Inspector?
Aug 31 18:48:29 <Anivrom|pre> I use it all
Aug 31 18:48:36 <Anivrom|pre> At the same time
Aug 31 18:48:44 <sugardave> yeah, I think you're mistaken
Aug 31 18:48:57 <Anivrom|pre> While playing barrel of monkeys with my lab
Aug 31 18:48:59 <sugardave> there's no real need for host emulator mode if Inspector works (I think)
Aug 31 18:49:09 <Anivrom|pre> He's a smart doggy
Aug 31 18:49:12 <sugardave> but Inspector doesn't work on my platform, so host emulator mode it is
Aug 31 18:49:25 <Anivrom|pre> Hmm
Aug 31 18:50:19 <Anivrom|pre> I just found out yesterday that ares debugger allows you to change variable values on the fly while your app is running
Aug 31 18:51:01 <Anivrom|pre> That's an amazing feat
Aug 31 18:51:37 <Anivrom|pre> "Just 1 more reason to switch" should be ares slogin :P
Aug 31 18:52:20 <Anivrom|pre> Slogan too!
Aug 31 18:52:35 <Freebird> ares is pretty awesome but i cant code worth bleep
Aug 31 18:53:25 <sugardave> if it's the Ares debugger that allows you to do it, why do I need to switch?  Didn't you say that with the awesome power of the Ares debugger even lowly Mojo apps can be debugged?
Aug 31 18:55:07 <Anivrom|pre> sugardave: what you speak is truth... So throw host emu away and drink a V8
Aug 31 18:55:54 <sugardave> except that Ares debugger doesn't run here, either
Aug 31 18:55:55 <sugardave> darn
Aug 31 18:56:08 <lemketron> huh?
Aug 31 18:56:12 <sugardave> host emu is just so I can see the DOM
Aug 31 18:56:19 <swisstomcat> hey lemketron
Aug 31 18:56:22 <sugardave> lemketron: it blows up my browser, I think I have a java issue
Aug 31 18:56:35 <lemketron> possibly... what host os ?
Aug 31 18:56:42 <sugardave> Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit
Aug 31 18:56:50 <Anivrom|pre> Ares debugger shows you the dom too, but we won't debate this anymore :P
Aug 31 18:57:06 <lemketron> ah, there is a trick there... the java plug-in package sometimes is missing.
Aug 31 18:57:11 * sugardave gets by with host emulator mode but wants to know how to really kill an app from it.
Aug 31 18:57:48 <lemketron> "Some websites require the Java plugin for Mozilla Firefox. To install the java plugin, install the sun-java5-plugin package (for i386 machines) or the j2re-1.4-mozilla-plugin package (for amd64 machines) from the Multiverse repository."
Aug 31 18:58:02 <lemketron> (from http://linux.about.com/od/ubuntu_doc/a/ubudg22t8.htm )
Aug 31 18:58:08 <swisstomcat> sugardave: ares works here (ubuntu 10.04 64-bit)
Aug 31 18:58:13 <sugardave> lemketron: cool, will see if I can kmake it work, then I won't care about host emu mode anymore
Aug 31 18:58:28 <sugardave> swisstomcat: okay, cool....maybe my FF is just bad :D
Aug 31 18:58:31 <lemketron> don't "kmake", use "sudo apt-get install"  <grin>
Aug 31 18:58:39 <sugardave> lemketron: got it ;)
Aug 31 18:58:44 <lemketron> ;-)
Aug 31 18:58:48 <swisstomcat> sugardave: probably the java-plugin like lemketron said ... test it on any java site
Aug 31 18:59:03 <sugardave> lemketron: but, do you know the answer to my real question?
Aug 31 18:59:34 <lemketron> which was...?
Aug 31 18:59:41 <lemketron> (sorry)
Aug 31 18:59:55 <sugardave> How to kill an app's cookie/db from host emulator mode
Aug 31 19:00:06 <sugardave> I have a cookie check to determine "first run" of an app
Aug 31 19:00:24 <swisstomcat> you can remove cookies
Aug 31 19:00:30 <swisstomcat> i use it for testing
Aug 31 19:00:44 <sugardave> if I install to the host emu, it works the first time....then I can delete the app completely from the emultor, launch it in inspect mode again, and it always find the damn cookie somehow
Aug 31 19:00:46 <lemketron> hmmm.  should be in the host browser's cookie store, no?
Aug 31 19:01:06 <lemketron> remember, the app (in host mode) is running ON your host browser, not in the emulator
Aug 31 19:01:06 <sugardave> lemketron: ah, browser cookie
Aug 31 19:01:23 <sugardave> okay, thanks for the tip :D
Aug 31 19:01:39 <lemketron> all in a day's work.  speaking of which, it's time for lunch.  :-)
Aug 31 19:01:44 <sugardave> enjoy
Aug 31 19:02:43 <Anivrom|pre> I camt put angry birds down. Stupid smash hit games!
Aug 31 19:03:09 <Freebird> ive almost beat it
Aug 31 19:03:36 <Arrgh`> I had early access to WebOS 1.4 but it doesn't seem to be transitive to 2.0 :(
Aug 31 19:03:43 <hotdp> people
Aug 31 19:03:46 <Anivrom|pre> I'm refusing to move on to the next level until I get 3 stars
Aug 31 19:04:11 <hotdp> what is the source for the 2.0 info from engadget
Aug 31 19:04:17 <Freebird> well i figure ill get back to getting all 3 stars when my skill is better... i only have 16 levels left
Aug 31 19:04:19 <Anivrom|pre> Each level must be fully complete
Aug 31 19:04:28 <funkatron> I WAS TOLD I COULD BE DOWNLOADING WEBOS2.0 NOW WHY CHUQ
Aug 31 19:04:28 <Freebird> ive gone back and done a lot of 3 stars last night
Aug 31 19:05:02 * funkatron leaves a text file on dropbox for chuqui
Aug 31 19:05:03 <Freebird> the first episode i have 144 out of 189 stars
Aug 31 19:05:11 <funkatron> okay I'm done.
Aug 31 19:06:27 * hotdp also wants 2.0
Aug 31 19:06:41 <sugardave> Arrgh`: do we have to re-apply?
Aug 31 19:06:41 <dohtem> two point oh!
Aug 31 19:07:42 <Arrgh`> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2107 "webOS 2.0 Developer Beta" -- "Get in the early access program" is a mailto:pdc@palm.com
Aug 31 19:08:02 <rohit2> \msg nickserv identify rohit
Aug 31 19:08:08 <dohtem> do you have to have an app in the catalog to request early access?
Aug 31 19:08:15 <Arrgh`> I sure hope not :)
Aug 31 19:08:18 <halfhalo> no
Aug 31 19:08:59 <rohit2> does window object of JavaScript work in palm??
Aug 31 19:09:04 <Freebird> i hope not :D lol
Aug 31 19:09:38 <sugardave> rohit2: there is a window object
Aug 31 19:10:06 <Roy-Pre101> Did anyone notice webos101.com is linked on the developer portal now?  Go write some articles, folks. :)
Aug 31 19:10:30 <dohtem> swisstomcat: I saw your articles on Mobile Tuts.  Congrats
Aug 31 19:10:36 <Roy-Pre101> (I wish someone would finish redoing the main page of webos101.com)
Aug 31 19:10:52 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: yeah, just saw that .. thumbs up!
Aug 31 19:11:04 <swisstomcat> dohtem: thank you .. i hope they're helpful ... part 3 is in the works
Aug 31 19:11:32 <dohtem> it was about time they had some webos tutorials online.  Bravo :)
Aug 31 19:11:47 <rohit2> sugardave: so if i have a statement as if(!window.XMLHttpRequest) sort of code will it work?
Aug 31 19:12:09 <sugardave> rohit2: I think so
Aug 31 19:12:23 <rohit2> sugardave: ok,, thanks
Aug 31 19:12:26 <sugardave> np
Aug 31 19:14:54 <swisstomcat> dohtem: i wrote a tuts+ app and then they approached me about doing a tutorial series
Aug 31 19:15:03 <dohtem> ah, nice
Aug 31 19:15:14 <Anivrom|pre> Bbl. Tmc with wirc and angry birds open. Priorities
Aug 31 19:15:47 <dohtem> and now you have the basic hello world there, others can contibute more specific tutorials
Aug 31 19:16:01 <dohtem> I had one in mind about the list widget
Aug 31 19:16:34 <Roy-Pre101> dohtem: Feel free to write them on webos101.com :)
Aug 31 19:17:03 <dohtem> heh, will do... if i ever stop procratinating
Aug 31 19:17:22 <dohtem> procrastinating*
Aug 31 19:18:05 <chuqui> by the way, we made a change to our community page today, too, and added webOS 101 as a place for devs to gather and share information and documentation: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1837&Itemid=24
Aug 31 19:18:18 <swisstomcat> congratulations, roy-pre101
Aug 31 19:18:33 <swisstomcat> chuqui: another boring day at the office ... you bet ;)
Aug 31 19:18:52 <chuqui> oh yeah. I'm headed back to playing Angry Birds.. (grin)
Aug 31 19:19:01 <Roy-Pre101> Now the big questions is can we start documenting webOS 2.0 API's on there?
Aug 31 19:19:13 <swisstomcat> chuqui: stop .. upload that thing to the dropbox already, will you!
Aug 31 19:19:19 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, which also means I need people to start segregating API's by webOS release.
Aug 31 19:19:31 <chuqui> I'm waiting for one piece, then I'll release.
Aug 31 19:19:33 <swisstomcat> sounds like a reorg, roy-pre101
Aug 31 19:19:51 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe can do it with templates to include the supported OS version.
Aug 31 19:20:01 <swisstomcat> chuqui: a massive palmbomb was dropped today .. everyone is going crazy .. including me :)
Aug 31 19:21:08 <chuqui> been looking forward to today for a while...
Aug 31 19:21:43 <swisstomcat> @webosdev: we made a change to our community page today: http://bit.ly/aUfm09 we now suggest webOS 101 as a place to write and share dev docs.
Aug 31 19:21:44 <swisstomcat> wow!
Aug 31 19:21:54 <swisstomcat> does roy-pre101 get a raise?
Aug 31 19:22:03 <chuqui> I doubled the salary I give him.
Aug 31 19:22:13 <swisstomcat> double of 0 is?
Aug 31 19:22:14 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: I'm getting paid ...  chuqui:  Stealing my jokes!
Aug 31 19:22:25 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: really? awsome
Aug 31 19:22:29 <swisstomcat> awesome
Aug 31 19:22:37 <swisstomcat> need a new front page tho :)
Aug 31 19:22:53 <Roy-Pre101> I thought it was a 3x raise. :P  I want to renegotiate.
Aug 31 19:23:30 <sugardave> rohit2: awesome re: webos101
Aug 31 19:23:34 <sugardave> er Roy-Pre101 ^^^
Aug 31 19:23:39 <hotdp> chuqui how many request mails do you think you will get ? :)
Aug 31 19:24:38 <swisstomcat> twitter is going crazy
Aug 31 19:25:16 <chuqui> hotdp: I'm afraid to look.
Aug 31 19:25:25 <chuqui> but I'll start digging in shortly.
Aug 31 19:26:12 <hotdp> chuqui what did you pay to be on the picture :D
Aug 31 19:26:39 <hotdp> its funny it shows an email with early access :D
Aug 31 19:26:49 <swisstomcat> picture?
Aug 31 19:26:54 <hotdp> yer
Aug 31 19:27:01 <hotdp> http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/31/palm-puts-webos-2-0-sdk-into-limited-release-starting-today/
Aug 31 19:27:17 <hotdp> Chuq Vo..
Aug 31 19:28:13 <hotdp> swisstomcat do you see it?
Aug 31 19:28:26 <dgathright> swisstomcat: Yeah, twitter is going nuts, and every mention of "nodejs" gets rebroadcast in the #node.js chatroom, so that room is blowing up too.  That announcement made lots of JS nerds suddenly really interested in webOS.
Aug 31 19:28:26 <swisstomcat> no?
Aug 31 19:28:38 <swisstomcat> dhathright: right so
Aug 31 19:28:46 <chuqui> hehe. I ahdn't noticed that.
Aug 31 19:29:27 <swisstomcat> dgathright: people at jsconf.eu will be floored
Aug 31 19:29:31 <dgathright> chuqui: You guys need to do a webOS 2.0 hack weekend at Palm HQ.  I'll fly up. :)
Aug 31 19:29:53 <halfhalo> same
Aug 31 19:29:56 <chuqui> dgathright: I'd definitely like to see that happen.
Aug 31 19:32:09 <sugardave> poor dropbox.com
Aug 31 19:32:57 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 19:33:24 <halfhalo> Lonestar99 seems to be having problems refreshing dropbox to much and killing his connection :p
Aug 31 19:33:52 <sugardave> hahaha
Aug 31 19:34:10 <sugardave> Mojo Core sounds interesting, too
Aug 31 19:34:21 <hotdp> shdfd?
Aug 31 19:34:24 <hotdp> where* ?
Aug 31 19:34:27 <hotdp> Mojo core?
Aug 31 19:34:53 <sugardave> On the precentral announcement, in the HTML 5 section, 2nd paragraph
Aug 31 19:35:58 <dgathright> Mojo Core had me really interested after the announcement at the dev days in April.  While I like developing for my Pre, I've never been in love with the Mojo framework.  Being able to make my own framework, while having access to Mojo, will make development more fun for people like me.
Aug 31 19:36:34 <sugardave> dgathright: yeah, that is pretty cool
Aug 31 19:37:53 <kesne> Woo
Aug 31 19:38:12 <kesne> LoneStar99: Hello
Aug 31 19:41:39 <swisstomcat> if palm releases info about new devices in the next days .. that'd be the biggest palmbomb
Aug 31 19:42:10 <sugardave> moapb
Aug 31 19:42:17 <Roy-Pre101> I got some palm balm, does that count?
Aug 31 19:44:20 <codeslaw_> oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
Aug 31 19:44:46 <sugardave> codeslaw_: what's the matter?
Aug 31 19:44:56 <codeslaw_> canvas image data
Aug 31 19:45:01 <codeslaw_> it's *real*
Aug 31 19:45:20 <sugardave> hehe
Aug 31 19:45:43 * sugardave continues punishing dropbox.com.
Aug 31 19:46:57 <Nyceane> =( my rank went down from 72 to 75 lol
Aug 31 19:51:51 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: no shit!!!????
Aug 31 19:52:26 <swisstomcat> wait, wasn't 2.0 supposed to have hw-accelerated css transformations too?
Aug 31 19:52:31 <HattCzech_work> stupid angry birds!!!
Aug 31 19:52:35 <HattCzech_work> SOOO ADDICTIVE!
Aug 31 19:53:16 <sugardave> swisstomcat: precentral seems to indicate hardware-accelerated CSS may not be in....yet
Aug 31 19:58:37 <Freebird> HattCzech_work totally i got like 16 lvls left and then i need to 3 star them all
Aug 31 19:58:57 <HattCzech_work> i got 3 stars on 1-3
Aug 31 19:59:00 <HattCzech_work> 2 left on 4
Aug 31 19:59:09 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: source?
Aug 31 19:59:11 <HattCzech_work> and then another 10 on 5
Aug 31 19:59:26 <Freebird> not sure how man 3stars i have, enough
Aug 31 19:59:38 <dgathright> methinks Angry Birds is just going to walk away with the hot apps competition.
Aug 31 19:59:47 <swisstomcat> $100k .. nice
Aug 31 19:59:55 <HattCzech_work> probably true
Aug 31 20:00:03 <swisstomcat> forget the pdk contest .. start the 2.0 sdk engines!
Aug 31 20:00:16 <sugardave> my key is in the ignition
Aug 31 20:00:21 <sugardave> but the starter won't turn :(
Aug 31 20:00:22 <HattCzech_work> if only i could get my app working so i could submit it
Aug 31 20:00:29 <halfhalo> hahahaha
Aug 31 20:00:31 <Freebird> swisstomcat no... we need all the apps we can get
Aug 31 20:00:34 <cxreg> anyone heard of someone working on Dasher for webos?
Aug 31 20:00:37 <Freebird> i need to make a small app
Aug 31 20:00:53 <hotdp> Good night people
Aug 31 20:00:57 <sugardave> night
Aug 31 20:00:59 <HattCzech_work> adios hotdp
Aug 31 20:02:29 <swisstomcat> freebird: sure, existing c/c++/sdl/opengl devs can give it a shot .. but web-devs like me should focus on the sdk .. and 2.0
Aug 31 20:08:38 <sugardave> I'm going to be looking for db8, too....no details yet
Aug 31 20:10:05 <Roy-Pre101> Whoops, I have almost 100 open tabs in Firefox.
Aug 31 20:10:17 <codeslaw_> swisstomcat: haven't actually tested it, just read the preview
Aug 31 20:10:22 <codeslaw_> i WILL be testing that TONIGHT
Aug 31 20:10:31 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: just saw it ... yay!
Aug 31 20:10:34 <codeslaw_> and then crying tears of joy until i fall asleep
Aug 31 20:10:54 <codeslaw_> then waking up, and crying tears of horror when i realize how much work i have to do for paintr pro now
Aug 31 20:11:11 <codeslaw_> apparently i cry a lot
Aug 31 20:11:19 <Roy-Pre101> apparently.
Aug 31 20:11:20 <sugardave> ya big baby
Aug 31 20:11:49 <codeslaw_> Roy-Pre101: grats on 101 being the new goto for community docs
Aug 31 20:12:30 <HattCzech_work> <-- no experience with SDL/opengl
Aug 31 20:12:35 <HattCzech_work> and want to cry sometimes
Aug 31 20:12:46 <Roy-Pre101> Someone go write up an article on webOS 2.0. :)
Aug 31 20:12:47 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: grats on songwave ... very cool
Aug 31 20:13:13 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw_: is songwave still doing well?
Aug 31 20:13:31 <HattCzech_work> #9... looks good
Aug 31 20:13:48 * HattCzech_work is jealous of the money codeslaw_ has gotten and will get :)
Aug 31 20:13:55 <codeslaw_> yes its hanging in there.  working on a "save my last song" update
Aug 31 20:14:09 <HattCzech_work> you're using SDL, right?
Aug 31 20:14:13 * alexfner has internets, through ComCast
Aug 31 20:14:24 <codeslaw_> ya, fillRect =D
Aug 31 20:14:33 * alexfner buying internets leaves a funny taste in one's mouth
Aug 31 20:14:44 <HattCzech_work> i wish i could do that... stupid wanting my app to run on the pixi as well
Aug 31 20:14:55 <codeslaw_> ugh... f*ing pixi
Aug 31 20:15:06 <HattCzech_work> (too bad i can't get it working :/)
Aug 31 20:15:16 <alexfner> pdk apps work perfectly fine on the pixi?
Aug 31 20:15:24 <HattCzech_work> if they're opengl
Aug 31 20:15:27 <codeslaw_> not SDL graphics based apps
Aug 31 20:15:42 <HattCzech_work> which is why angry birds is for pre only for now
Aug 31 20:15:50 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: I was wondering about 2.0 stuff on 101...that might not be NDA-friendly?
Aug 31 20:16:26 <codeslaw_> wait wait wait... i'm almost positive angry birds is openGL
Aug 31 20:16:32 <codeslaw_> it's too fast
Aug 31 20:16:41 <HattCzech_work> ohhh... then i don't know
Aug 31 20:16:47 <HattCzech_work> i just know it's pre only
Aug 31 20:16:59 <codeslaw_> SDL graphics actually kind of suck. i get good performance because i just draw solid rectangles, no bitmaps
Aug 31 20:17:00 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: I'm curious, too.
Aug 31 20:17:04 <codeslaw_> i think that's a form-factor issue
Aug 31 20:17:07 <HattCzech_work> (i assumed, which i again realized that i should not do)
Aug 31 20:17:17 <Roy-Pre101> HattCzech_work: They're work on Pixi version.  Apparently some hangups.
Aug 31 20:17:36 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: To what extent will we be able to document webOS 2.0 APIs on webos101.com?
Aug 31 20:17:50 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: well, send an email :D  maybe we can get things "approved" by a dev relations person or something
Aug 31 20:18:22 <Roy-Pre101> someone keep adding new files to my dropbox shares.... they aren't webOS 2.0. :P
Aug 31 20:18:29 <sugardave> hahaha
Aug 31 20:19:11 <codeslaw_> HattCzech_work: are you building a game or something else in the pdk
Aug 31 20:19:46 <HattCzech_work> something else
Aug 31 20:19:49 <swisstomcat> i should rename and upload the 1.4.5 sdk
Aug 31 20:19:55 <HattCzech_work> so i don't care too much about graphics
Aug 31 20:20:00 <swisstomcat> that'd be evil :D
Aug 31 20:20:07 <HattCzech_work> swisstomcat: that would be evil :)
Aug 31 20:20:13 <alexfner> angry birds isn't written in SDL graphics
Aug 31 20:20:15 <alexfner> come now
Aug 31 20:20:21 <alexfner> let us be honest with one another
Aug 31 20:20:32 <codeslaw_> we just determined that
Aug 31 20:20:37 <alexfner> oh?
Aug 31 20:20:40 <HattCzech_work> alexfner: read my previous comments :)
Aug 31 20:20:43 <alexfner> I just went up to where I had last responded
Aug 31 20:20:53 <chuqui> Roy-Pre101: initially, it's still under NDA. As we move closer to release, we'll have to see what we can release so you can go public on.
Aug 31 20:21:02 <HattCzech_work> [15:10] <HattCzech_work> <-- no experience with SDL/opengl [15:10] <HattCzech_work> and want to cry sometimes
Aug 31 20:21:17 <alexfner> sorry guys! :D
Aug 31 20:21:27 <HattCzech_work> Roy-Pre101: restricted area for early access devs?
Aug 31 20:21:50 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: would that work?
Aug 31 20:22:14 <swisstomcat> i wouldn't to that .. early access devs is still managed by palm/hp
Aug 31 20:23:38 <HattCzech_work> :/ just a thought on how we can share info easier
Aug 31 20:23:50 <HattCzech_work> without violating NDA
Aug 31 20:25:15 <codeslaw_> chuqui: when is the next dev days? all this hype makes me want to go drinking with webos people
Aug 31 20:26:07 <sugardave> come to Austin for the next Dev Days!
Aug 31 20:26:24 <swisstomcat> no, come to europe!
Aug 31 20:26:59 <codeslaw_> austin -- yes, i'm here too.  europe -- yes, much better scenery
Aug 31 20:29:35 <chuqui> HattCzech_work: if we could work out the logistics of authentication. Rod and I have talked about that for preware beta feeds, but haven't actually gotten it implemented.
Aug 31 20:29:46 <chuqui> codeslaw: not soon enough.
Aug 31 20:29:55 * Tibfib wonders what people have been talking about
Aug 31 20:30:19 * Tibfib is giddy about http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8591
Aug 31 20:30:22 <alexfner> mostly chocolate
Aug 31 20:30:28 <alexfner> that's the hype of the conversation right now
Aug 31 20:31:09 <codeslaw_> look man, i don't care WHAT its called.  white chocolate is not actually chocolate
Aug 31 20:31:15 <codeslaw_> THERE'S NO COCOA
Aug 31 20:31:17 <alexfner> it's vanilla chocolate
Aug 31 20:31:20 <codeslaw_> it just butter and milk
Aug 31 20:31:23 <codeslaw_> and sugar
Aug 31 20:31:25 <alexfner> surely there must be some cocoae
Aug 31 20:31:29 <codeslaw_> none
Aug 31 20:31:33 <sugardave> albino cocoa beans
Aug 31 20:31:39 <alexfner> yeah white chocolate sucks anyways
Aug 31 20:31:46 <alexfner> I always feel nauseous
Aug 31 20:31:49 <alexfner> when eating it
Aug 31 20:31:51 <alexfner> but man
Aug 31 20:31:57 <codeslaw_> that's because you're eating hardened buttermilk
Aug 31 20:32:04 <codeslaw_> with "flavors"
Aug 31 20:32:05 <alexfner> I got a 60% and 100% cocoa bar sitting here for a lonely day
Aug 31 20:32:06 <Tibfib> today is a great day
Aug 31 20:32:09 <sugardave> Tibfib: I requested they hide the dropbox files from you
Aug 31 20:32:11 <swisstomcat> hattczech, chuqui: would something like oauth work?
Aug 31 20:32:12 <sugardave> see if you can see them
Aug 31 20:32:27 <codeslaw_> 100%? damn.. i'd put that in a pasta sauce, but id ont know about eating it straight
Aug 31 20:32:43 <Tibfib> sugardave: lol
Aug 31 20:32:56 <pandora--> codeslaw_: chocolate bar in pasta sauce??
Aug 31 20:33:02 <alexfner> pasta sauce?
Aug 31 20:33:03 <chuqui> swisstomcat:  we'd need to make it work on our side. We're still sorting out portal SSO (on my plate. dammit)
Aug 31 20:33:09 <codeslaw_> yes yes yes.  not the whole bar
Aug 31 20:33:12 <alexfner> what are you, CRAZY?
Aug 31 20:33:18 <codeslaw_> just 2oz for a medium sized pot
Aug 31 20:33:20 <HattCzech_work> AUSTIN!!!
Aug 31 20:33:30 <halfhalo> LA
Aug 31 20:33:31 <HattCzech_work> it's like the 2nd silicon valley... it makes sense to come here :)
Aug 31 20:33:34 <swisstomcat> chuqui: oh, i see
Aug 31 20:33:39 <halfhalo> whats everyone yelling about?
Aug 31 20:33:47 <Tibfib> so chuqui: any updates on mojo messaging service?
Aug 31 20:33:49 <swisstomcat> EUROPEèè
Aug 31 20:33:58 <alexfner> first you want my pasta sauce and my chocolate toghether, then you're going to start trying to tell me to mix my fries and gravy
Aug 31 20:33:59 <swisstomcat> yeah, good point, tibfib
Aug 31 20:34:01 <codeslaw_> you wont actually taste chocolate... it will just add a complexity to the sauce that is definitely noticeable, but people will say "WTF is in this pasta sauce that makes it so complex... and good"
Aug 31 20:34:05 <chuqui> Tibfib: all chat on 2.0 is inside the NDA and privat forum for now...
Aug 31 20:34:06 <sugardave> Tibfib: supposed to be in
Aug 31 20:34:16 <chuqui> swisstomcat:  yeah. sigh.
Aug 31 20:34:16 <swisstomcat> leave the man alone, chuqui needs time to upload the 2.0 stuff :)
Aug 31 20:34:22 <sugardave> (according to precentral)
Aug 31 20:34:43 <Tibfib> chuqui: I'm just asking based on the public information
Aug 31 20:34:47 <sugardave> chuqui: HIT THE DAMN BUTTON ALREADY
Aug 31 20:34:49 <Tibfib> lol
Aug 31 20:34:53 <alexfner> one thing that I find fascinating is the people who can brew flavors into beer and wine, like chocolate or coffee or raspberry
Aug 31 20:34:58 * Tibfib isn't going to do his homework tonight
Aug 31 20:34:59 <alexfner> when those ingredients aren't actually used
Aug 31 20:35:04 <chuqui> sugardave: I'm gonna go take my nap. Back later, all.
Aug 31 20:35:08 * halfhalo has no homework
Aug 31 20:35:08 <sugardave> haha
Aug 31 20:35:10 <halfhalo> :p
Aug 31 20:35:10 <swisstomcat> noooooo!
Aug 31 20:35:15 <Tibfib> heh
Aug 31 20:35:23 <maik> 2 files were removed from my dropbox!!!
Aug 31 20:35:24 <chuqui> Tibfib: yeah, but we're not talking about tech details outside of the private forum for now.
Aug 31 20:35:27 <swisstomcat> my F5 key is already worn out
Aug 31 20:35:39 <maik> Put. Them. Back.
Aug 31 20:35:40 <Tibfib> chuqui: alrighty, fair enough. I'll ask there
Aug 31 20:35:43 <alexfner> someone deleted the sprint doctors...
Aug 31 20:35:54 <chuqui> Tibfib: thanks
Aug 31 20:36:01 <chuqui> okay, back to sending invites...
Aug 31 20:36:16 <maik> chuqui: yes plz.
Aug 31 20:36:24 <Tibfib> new invites to the new sdk?
Aug 31 20:36:33 <sugardave> fresh meat
Aug 31 20:36:34 <Tibfib> or just new invites to people not already in it?
Aug 31 20:36:39 <sugardave> the latter
Aug 31 20:36:47 <Tibfib> sugardave: cool, thanks
Aug 31 20:36:47 * halfhalo wants sdk download to appears....
Aug 31 20:38:01 <Arrgh`> heh, I can see the email addresses of the 300 other people in that place where the old thing was
Aug 31 20:38:56 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: alive?
Aug 31 20:39:02 <HattCzech_work> indeed
Aug 31 20:39:29 <HattCzech_work> i was hoping you were going to give me some good news in the pixi world :)
Aug 31 20:39:39 <HattCzech_work> (although i doubt that is the case)
Aug 31 20:40:28 <HattCzech_work> pandora--: are YOU alive?
Aug 31 20:40:32 <Roy-Pre101> Did chuqui answers questions about the 2.0 API on webOS101.com?
Aug 31 20:40:51 <alexfner> Robdor: hey rob how goes it?
Aug 31 20:40:52 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: ah yeah. so, that app i tested for you on the pixi
Aug 31 20:41:00 <pandora--> HattCzech_work: totally f*cked the framebuffer
Aug 31 20:41:09 * pandora-- takes it to /msg
Aug 31 20:41:12 <HattCzech_work> :0!
Aug 31 20:41:33 <maik> hah
Aug 31 20:41:34 <codeslaw_> oh but this was just getting so juicy!
Aug 31 20:41:35 <Robdor> alexfner: Pretty good.  I'm planning on submitting Plasma Cannon tomorrow.  I'm going to submit it with 50 levels, then push out an update next week with more levels and a new game mechanic.
Aug 31 20:41:53 <alexfner> oh very nice
Aug 31 20:41:57 <Robdor> alexfner: I'm thinking about adding a bomb of some sort.  That explodes when one of the cannon balls touch it.
Aug 31 20:41:59 <codeslaw_> Robdor: what was harder -- building the game, or building the levels?
Aug 31 20:42:05 <alexfner> very nice indeed
Aug 31 20:42:13 <alexfner> price point?
Aug 31 20:42:52 <alexfner> I bought a ford focus last week
Aug 31 20:42:54 <alexfner> needed a car
Aug 31 20:43:04 <alexfner> has sync and a nicer sound system, other than that pretty basic
Aug 31 20:43:08 <alexfner> 35ish mpg
Aug 31 20:43:16 <codeslaw_> pretty good
Aug 31 20:43:17 <Robdor> codeslaw_: Building the game was the hardest part.  Building levels just sucks. :)
Aug 31 20:43:23 <codeslaw_> word
Aug 31 20:43:28 <alexfner> werd*
Aug 31 20:43:31 <iWinRar> so still no info in 2.0 about new hardware?
Aug 31 20:43:33 <alexfner> you gotta keep it cool
Aug 31 20:43:38 <Robdor> alexfner: 1.99 is my price point.
Aug 31 20:43:43 <iWinRar> i figure they might have left something behind
Aug 31 20:43:46 <alexfner> iWinRar: that wouldn't be released right now
Aug 31 20:43:46 <iWinRar> but i could be wrong
Aug 31 20:44:13 <alexfner> Robdor: seems pretty reasonable
Aug 31 20:44:15 <iWinRar> i mean when the sdk was first released people found some interesting info
Aug 31 20:44:38 <alexfner> Robdor: which xml parsing lib did you use?
Aug 31 20:44:43 <sugardave> iWinRar: not sure anyone actually has the 2.0 stuff yet
Aug 31 20:44:53 <sugardave> that's probably why it's quiet
Aug 31 20:44:54 <Robdor> alexfner: I'm using TinyXML, it's really easy to use.
Aug 31 20:45:16 * Tibfib probably should have been learning node.js
Aug 31 20:45:37 <sugardave> Tibfib: I'm learning...still suck at it, but I can make things respond :D
Aug 31 20:45:45 <alexfner> yeah I am looking at that now
Aug 31 20:45:56 <Robdor> codeslaw_: I like the new instruments in SongWave, have you climbed the leader boards since you added that update?
Aug 31 20:46:01 <Robdor> alexfner: How is your game going?
Aug 31 20:46:27 <Tibfib> sugardave: nice, looks like mojo messenger will start using node stuff
Aug 31 20:46:51 <sugardave> sweet :D
Aug 31 20:46:57 <codeslaw_> Robdor: thanks, climbed a couple spots up to #9
Aug 31 20:47:18 <pandora--> whoa, synergy is opening up to devs?
Aug 31 20:47:22 * Tibfib wonders why everything interesting has to happen during the school year
Aug 31 20:47:24 <alexfner> Robdor: got preoccupied by a week of buying a car and moving, so it has been stalled, but currently looking to integrate levels using xml, and game save data using xml
Aug 31 20:47:27 <pandora--> so we can write our own connectors and stuff?
Aug 31 20:47:33 <alexfner> Robdor: once that's done, I'm pretty close to done
Aug 31 20:47:34 <Tibfib> pandora--: yessir!
Aug 31 20:47:42 <pandora--> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Aug 31 20:47:44 * Tibfib will also be adding mojo messenger there
Aug 31 20:47:45 <pandora--> that's great
Aug 31 20:47:47 <sugardave> Tibfib: I have a nebulous plan forming for my first library with node.js
Aug 31 20:47:58 <Tibfib> sugardave: nice
Aug 31 20:48:42 <sugardave> node ought to make OAuth an order of magnitude easier to deal with
Aug 31 20:48:58 <alexfner> sugardave: I have a nebulous plan also?
Aug 31 20:49:10 <sugardave> yay?
Aug 31 20:49:41 <Robdor> alexfner: What kind of game is it?
Aug 31 20:49:43 <alexfner> yay indeed
Aug 31 20:50:06 <sugardave> oh and opportunities to be the Mojo face of real programmer work with hybrids
Aug 31 20:50:12 <sugardave> I see good things coming down the pike
Aug 31 20:50:36 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: (10:18:33 PM) chuqui: Roy-Pre101: initially, it's still under NDA. As we move closer to release, we'll have to see what we can release so you can go public on.
Aug 31 20:50:51 <alexfner> Robdor: 2d, the perspective of the game is overhead, you're a snowman, and you throw snowballs at the woodland creatures as they rush at you, everything collides like pucks, so you have to eliminate the animals by hitting them enough to change their course
Aug 31 20:51:18 <kesne> Tibfib: How will MM leverage webOS 2.0?
Aug 31 20:51:26 <Robdor> alexfner: That sounds cool!
Aug 31 20:51:29 <alexfner> you're at one end, the animals come from the other
Aug 31 20:51:31 <alexfner> we'll see
Aug 31 20:52:05 <halfhalo> kense: node lets you do tcp stuff easily
Aug 31 20:52:24 <Woody4u> the new webos 2.0 features sound really cool
Aug 31 20:52:36 <Woody4u> mainly the node.js integration
Aug 31 20:52:38 <kesne> halfhalo: Why are you telling me this
Aug 31 20:53:13 <halfhalo> because node is is 2.0
Aug 31 20:53:15 <sugardave> kesne: Tibfib will be able to go from a polling architecture to push
Aug 31 20:53:19 <alexfner> yeah, I do wonder though
Aug 31 20:53:33 <kesne> sugardave: Can node.js do push?
Aug 31 20:53:39 <alexfner> because in my experience, node could crash quite easily with just a little bit of bad code
Aug 31 20:53:47 <alexfner> or sometimes no bad code at all
Aug 31 20:53:52 <halfhalo> kense: what do you call push
Aug 31 20:53:55 <alexfner> so I'd be curious to see how well it's implemented
Aug 31 20:54:02 <sugardave> kesne: why not?  you can write persistent servers with it
Aug 31 20:54:13 <kesne> sugardave: Sweet
Aug 31 20:54:15 * halfhalo doesn't have crashy node scripts
Aug 31 20:54:23 <Woody4u> http://nodejs.org/api.html <- the api
Aug 31 20:54:24 <kesne> halfhalo: It's kesne
Aug 31 20:54:29 <Woody4u> sounds very sweet
Aug 31 20:54:35 * halfhalo knows
Aug 31 20:54:49 <alexfner> halfhalo: well we all can't be like you! :D
Aug 31 20:55:02 <kesne> Who was making that KSO-esque thing?
Aug 31 20:55:04 <alexfner> when I got into tcp connections, little stuff would throw an error and kill the program
Aug 31 20:55:07 <Woody4u> multiplayer games in js :D
Aug 31 20:55:10 <kesne> Was it halfhalo or haeffb_pre ?
Aug 31 20:55:18 <kesne> Woody4u: Already done
Aug 31 20:55:27 <alexfner> Woody4u: I looked at doing a multiplayer game in js with websockets and node
Aug 31 20:55:31 <halfhalo> it was me
Aug 31 20:55:35 <halfhalo> still am doing it
Aug 31 20:55:42 <alexfner> Woody4u: but it was really difficult, particularly because everything is sent in UTF-8
Aug 31 20:55:46 <kesne> halfhalo: I want to learn more about what you are doing
Aug 31 20:55:48 <halfhalo> but switched to a rails backend for easy rest support
Aug 31 20:55:58 <halfhalo> alexfner: did you have a buffer?
Aug 31 20:56:01 <alexfner> Woody4u: so on the desktop, there is nothing to stop someone from grabbing data and manipulating what is received
Aug 31 20:56:07 <Woody4u> and one pre was the "server"?
Aug 31 20:56:25 <halfhalo> kesne: what about it?
Aug 31 20:56:25 <kesne> halfhalo: If you'd be interested, I'd like to take KSO to the next level, and I think your thing could help
Aug 31 20:56:34 <alexfner> like, how do you obfuscate enough data from the user
Aug 31 20:56:38 <alexfner> it's impossible in js
Aug 31 20:56:55 <alexfner> when you can just inspect the js with any available plugin
Aug 31 20:57:01 <halfhalo> what did you have in mind?
Aug 31 20:57:15 <kesne> halfhalo: Well, I need to find out more about what exactly yours does
Aug 31 20:57:18 <alexfner> so I figured if I  did make the game, it'd just get hacked in a matter of minutes :D
Aug 31 20:57:33 <codeslaw_> so do that
Aug 31 20:57:43 <codeslaw_> build a simple framework of interaction, call it a game
Aug 31 20:57:54 <codeslaw_> but the real challenge would be who could hack it to win the fastest
Aug 31 20:58:06 <sugardave> I thought of doing something like that
Aug 31 20:58:34 <halfhalo> kesne: right now im aiming for a unified login, ability to upload and download data, multi-app integration, pull messages, and push login/messages
Aug 31 20:58:58 <codeslaw_> kesne: what is KSO
Aug 31 20:59:18 <alexfner> codeslaw_: well I would do it, if I could get a level of cooperation and agreement with others to work and build a more stable js game model over websockets
Aug 31 20:59:22 <kesne> codeslaw_: Online interactions for webOS
Aug 31 20:59:22 <Woody4u> wait - why use node.js to hack a push
Aug 31 20:59:31 <alexfner> codeslaw_: but I don't know anybody!
Aug 31 20:59:34 <Woody4u> i thought synergy will be able to do that
Aug 31 20:59:53 <Woody4u> i mean push services
Aug 31 20:59:59 <Tibfib> that's not out yet.
Aug 31 21:00:14 <Woody4u> Tibfib, will be there in webos 2.0
Aug 31 21:00:16 <sugardave> Tibfib: neither is node :D
Aug 31 21:00:19 <Woody4u> like node.js
Aug 31 21:00:24 <codeslaw_> i haven't even touched web sockets
Aug 31 21:00:29 <Tibfib> Woody4u: says who?
Aug 31 21:00:42 <Woody4u> palm
Aug 31 21:00:46 <Tibfib> where?
Aug 31 21:01:02 <Woody4u> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2107
Aug 31 21:01:28 <Tibfib> I don't think they mention mojo messaging service
Aug 31 21:01:36 <alexfner> codeslaw_: all transmission is UTF-8 Encoded, cause js can't deal with binary
Aug 31 21:01:44 <alexfner> now on webOS 2.0, this isn't an issue cause node can
Aug 31 21:01:45 <kesne> MMS is on hold
Aug 31 21:01:48 <alexfner> but on a desktop
Aug 31 21:01:50 <alexfner> it is a problem
Aug 31 21:02:04 <Tibfib> kesne: yes. I know.
Aug 31 21:02:05 <codeslaw_> does that mean the browser handles the encoding, or does it just treat it like encoded data?
Aug 31 21:02:11 <alexfner> because there is no way to secure websocket transmission from the user viewing and interacting with it
Aug 31 21:02:52 <alexfner> the websocket implementation treats it as encoded data
Aug 31 21:03:01 <sugardave> the only sockets I've ever messed with involve lightbulbs or CPUs
Aug 31 21:03:08 <millenomi> webOS 2?
Aug 31 21:03:10 <millenomi> yay!
Aug 31 21:03:20 <millenomi> do we FINALLY get to ship hybrid apps with it?
Aug 31 21:03:25 <sugardave> yes
Aug 31 21:03:26 <alexfner> yessir
Aug 31 21:03:26 <millenomi> 'cuz I'm waiting.
Aug 31 21:03:32 <millenomi> relief!
Aug 31 21:03:51 <millenomi> (also: PDK dev on emulator? Bonjour?)
Aug 31 21:03:59 <sugardave> I wish
Aug 31 21:04:14 <swisstomcat> now we only need new hardware e.g a tablet beta :)
Aug 31 21:04:15 <sugardave> I doubt there is PDK for Linux (unified) yet
Aug 31 21:04:28 <codeslaw_> hardware... yes plz
Aug 31 21:04:50 <sugardave> maybe tomorrow we will hear about new phones :D
Aug 31 21:05:23 <alexfner> unlikely haha
Aug 31 21:05:37 <millenomi> sugardave: it'd be directly against the biggest Apple announcement of the semester
Aug 31 21:05:39 <alexfner> there's no advantage to palm to talk about new phones when they're not ready
Aug 31 21:06:01 * millenomi goes to teh super sekrit forums
Aug 31 21:06:08 <sugardave> oh is Apple doing something tomorrow?  I float around in my own disconnected reality
Aug 31 21:06:11 <Tibfib> ohh yeah, isn't apple announcing something new tommorow?
Aug 31 21:06:23 * Tibfib lost
Aug 31 21:06:30 <kesne> I just lost the game
Aug 31 21:06:33 <codeslaw_> f*ck apple
Aug 31 21:06:34 <alexfner> new ipod touch
Aug 31 21:06:41 <alexfner> new garage band
Aug 31 21:06:45 <alexfner> for the ipad
Aug 31 21:06:52 <codeslaw_> new garage touch
Aug 31 21:06:56 <alexfner> white iphone
Aug 31 21:07:01 <alexfner> apple tv
Aug 31 21:07:03 <millenomi> TELEPORTING UNICORNS
Aug 31 21:07:07 <Tibfib> "cancelling" white iphone
Aug 31 21:07:08 <Tibfib> :)
Aug 31 21:07:09 <alexfner> new itunes streaming services
Aug 31 21:07:28 <sugardave> I see they still don't grant wishes and print money
Aug 31 21:07:30 <Woody4u> porn channels in iTV
Aug 31 21:07:30 <millenomi> STREAMING, TELEPORTING UNICORNS
Aug 31 21:07:35 <millenomi> IN TEEVEES™.
Aug 31 21:07:37 <swisstomcat> steaming?
Aug 31 21:07:41 <millenomi> steaming indeed!
Aug 31 21:07:45 <alexfner> man my pre is breaking down
Aug 31 21:07:49 <alexfner> the usb cover came off
Aug 31 21:07:53 <alexfner> permanently
Aug 31 21:08:03 <alexfner> the front is warn, the "chrome" plastic buttons are now just plastic
Aug 31 21:08:07 <Woody4u> i wish we had flash on the pre
Aug 31 21:08:09 <alexfner> the sliding mechanism is shot
Aug 31 21:08:12 <Woody4u> that would be a great news
Aug 31 21:08:13 <alexfner> I need something new!
Aug 31 21:08:50 <Woody4u> i got a litle crack on the beside the usb connector
Aug 31 21:08:59 <alexfner> it starts with that
Aug 31 21:09:03 <alexfner> then the usb cover breaks off
Aug 31 21:09:09 <alexfner> then the crack moves up towards the screen
Aug 31 21:09:12 <alexfner> then it stops
Aug 31 21:09:19 <Tibfib> arg lists within lists of drawers, we meet again
Aug 31 21:09:26 <web05hitz> I got a large crack on the backside. My pre is fine though.
Aug 31 21:09:51 <swisstomcat> ok, time to hit the sack
Aug 31 21:09:59 <swisstomcat> goodn8 everyone
Aug 31 21:10:05 <swisstomcat> i can't wait to wake up again :)
Aug 31 21:10:21 <Woody4u> maybe ill buy me a new webos device at christmas
Aug 31 21:10:24 <alexfner> good night
Aug 31 21:10:45 <Woody4u> hope there are new devices there at this time
Aug 31 21:10:49 <Woody4u> *hope*
Aug 31 21:11:12 <Woody4u> good night
Aug 31 21:19:40 <Arrgh`> I almost certainly would've bought a Pre if there'd been an unlocked GSM version with NAM 3G frequencies at launch, or soon after.  As it was I ended up getting an Android phone soon after that
Aug 31 21:21:17 <alexfner> this would be neat to find in a palm phone soon:
Aug 31 21:21:19 <alexfner> http://h30507.www3.hp.com/t5/Data-Central/HP-and-Hynix-Bringing-the-memristor-to-market-in-next-generation/ba-p/82218
Aug 31 21:23:55 <pandora--> wooooooo
Aug 31 21:24:08 <pandora--> 2.0 sdk!
Aug 31 21:24:11 * pandora-- crosses fingers
Aug 31 21:24:19 <pandora--> stoked. that's going to be awesome
Aug 31 21:24:34 <pandora--> though, once we're in, we're not allowed to talk about it
Aug 31 21:24:35 <pandora--> damn
Aug 31 21:26:53 <cxreg> "just type" sounds a lot like gnome-do
Aug 31 21:31:30 <dohtem> pandora--: the first rule of 2.0 SDK beta...
Aug 31 21:31:43 <pandora--> yup
Aug 31 21:35:13 <HattCzech_work> alexfner: i have me one of those cracks as well
Aug 31 21:35:27 <HattCzech_work> i would love to get a replacement, but not sure if that will happen
Aug 31 21:35:33 <HattCzech_work> (w/o paying $100)
Aug 31 21:35:42 <codeslaw_> dalmaer: grats on 2.0!
Aug 31 21:36:16 <dalmaer> codeslaw_: thanks!
Aug 31 21:36:38 <codeslaw_> cant wait to start hacking
Aug 31 21:37:25 <kesne> wait, dion is in here?
Aug 31 21:37:36 <dalmaer> thanks for your continued support guys
Aug 31 21:37:45 <alexfner> no no no, just a poser :)
Aug 31 21:37:47 <dalmaer> can't tell you how much I appreciate what you guys do
Aug 31 21:37:50 <dalmaer> haha :)
Aug 31 21:37:50 <kesne> Look at that, he really is!
Aug 31 21:38:00 <dohtem> dalmaer: it's easy to support you guys :)
Aug 31 21:38:08 <dohtem> keep up the good work
Aug 31 21:38:19 <kesne> Yeah, keep it up!
Aug 31 21:38:26 <rwhitby> hey dalmaer
Aug 31 21:38:32 <alexfner> man, these new capabilities are cooking up some really interesting ideas
Aug 31 21:38:33 <HattCzech_work> codeslaw_: dalmaer: 2.0?
Aug 31 21:39:02 <codeslaw_> dalmaer = Dion Almaer
Aug 31 21:39:30 <edektor> Is the beta not in Dropbox yet?
Aug 31 21:39:48 <codeslaw_> edektor: dont think so
Aug 31 21:39:55 <edektor> k thanks
Aug 31 21:40:01 <dalmaer> rwhitby: hello sir :)
Aug 31 21:40:37 <dohtem> whoa... 2.0 legal agreement!  I have to have my lawyers peruse this
Aug 31 21:40:54 <dohtem> lawyers = 2 yr old nephews
Aug 31 21:41:03 <sugardave> dalmaer: yay, very excited, congrats!
Aug 31 21:41:11 <rwhitby> dalmaer: congrats on the well managed "leak" of webOS 2.0 through community channels ;)
Aug 31 21:41:47 <rwhitby> it was great to see an official post first, rather than rumours by people breaking their NDA
Aug 31 21:42:05 <alexfner> werd
Aug 31 21:42:43 <alexfner> It'll be interesting to see what type of camera apis come about
Aug 31 21:43:03 <alexfner> I had put a request in a while ago to handle the camera like the <video> tag, where you could grab the data and display it in canvas
Aug 31 21:43:13 <alexfner> that would be really neat
Aug 31 21:43:39 <alexfner> cause then you could transmit the canvas image data (rgb) over a node tcp connection
Aug 31 21:43:53 <alexfner> my mind is racing right now
Aug 31 21:43:56 <alexfner> can't wait to see what happens
Aug 31 21:44:25 <alexfner> or maybe you guys implemented <device> ?  who knows?
Aug 31 21:44:27 <alexfner> :D
Aug 31 21:44:46 <alexfner> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-device/
Aug 31 21:55:54 <Tibfib> dalmaer: totally pumped for webOS 2.0 :)
Aug 31 21:57:05 <dgathright> dalmaer: We'd like a webOS 2.0 hackday/weekend @ Palm HQ.  :) kthx
Aug 31 21:57:15 <creationix> so is there a new device for 2.0 or is it a purely software upgrade for the pre?
Aug 31 21:57:19 <alexfner> on the roof of Palm HQ
Aug 31 21:57:28 <alexfner> creationix: nice try :D
Aug 31 21:57:28 <dalmaer> dgathright: why that is a good idea :)
Aug 31 21:57:30 <dgathright> on a boat
Aug 31 21:57:47 <alexfner> on a boat, in the middle of the san francisco bay
Aug 31 21:57:53 <rwhitby> dalmaer: when are you guys going to fly to Australia for a hackday?
Aug 31 21:57:56 <alexfner> you should have rounds
Aug 31 21:58:03 <alexfner> and the loser gets thrown off the boat
Aug 31 21:58:07 <alexfner> simple
Aug 31 21:58:21 <dalmaer> rwhitby: oh man. don't tease :)
Aug 31 21:59:02 <alexfner> there seems to be more chatter about webos in #node.js than #webOS right now, heh
Aug 31 21:59:17 <Tibfib> anyone know about using templates for pushing scenes?
Aug 31 21:59:48 <Tibfib> should be fairly simple, but got a couple questions the docs don't seem to answer
Aug 31 22:00:34 <Tibfib> like if you use a template, how do you pass params? or is it not like a list template?
Aug 31 22:00:39 <alexfner> Robdor: hey, I had a weird issue that I just avoided, but I thought you might have some insight
Aug 31 22:01:00 <Robdor> alexfner: What is it?
Aug 31 22:01:40 <alexfner> Robdor: I load textures into GLuint s using SOIL
Aug 31 22:02:18 <alexfner> Robdor: Now for some reason, I tried to load a texture to example[0] at the start of the program, so that the user would see "loading..."
Aug 31 22:02:26 <alexfner> and then the program loads everything else
Aug 31 22:02:39 <alexfner> then doubles back, and tried to load textures to example[1] and example[2]
Aug 31 22:03:05 <alexfner> but for some reason, that would throw bad access if I tried to do that (i.e. nothing exists in example[1], example[2])
Aug 31 22:03:31 <Robdor> example is an array of GLuints?
Aug 31 22:03:56 <alexfner> yeah
Aug 31 22:04:01 <alexfner> I just changed it to load textures into another GLuint, which worked fine
Aug 31 22:04:07 <alexfner> I was just curious why this had occured
Aug 31 22:04:45 <Robdor> That's weird.  Did example go out of scope or something?
Aug 31 22:05:08 <alexfner> it shouldn't have
Aug 31 22:05:30 <kesne> Based on the webos 2.0 Screenshots, the dialer appears to be blue now!
Aug 31 22:05:33 <alexfner> I chalked it up to SOIL doing something weird with the GLuints
Aug 31 22:05:41 <Tibfib> kesne: where are more?
Aug 31 22:05:43 <Robdor> alexfner: I do exactly the same thing, but I created a TexManager singleton so that my textures are more or less global to the game.
Aug 31 22:05:52 <kesne> Tibfib: There arent;
Aug 31 22:05:56 <Tibfib> oh, nvm
Aug 31 22:06:05 <Robdor> alexfner: Hmmm, I haven't had any weirdness with SOIL loading the textures.
Aug 31 22:06:47 <Anivrom> oh schnapps
Aug 31 22:07:15 <Robdor> alexfner: Does SOIL_last_result() show any errors trying to load the images?
Aug 31 22:07:57 <alexfner> on attempting to load the images, it threw all sorts of erros
Aug 31 22:08:08 <alexfner> only if I tried to place them in that specific GLuint
Aug 31 22:08:10 <alexfner> so I just moved them
Aug 31 22:12:46 <kesne> Im out an about for a bit
Aug 31 22:12:48 <kesne> later folks
Aug 31 22:13:57 <Anivrom> kesne: ping
Aug 31 22:14:03 <dohtem> Reading up on Just Type.  It says "If your data is stored on device, Just Type will present real-time suggestions as the user."  This works for both cookies and the depot, right?
Aug 31 22:14:52 <Tibfib> and db's?
Aug 31 22:15:03 <sugardave> hmm, that would be impressive
Aug 31 22:15:09 <Anivrom> and the bigger GB's
Aug 31 22:15:39 <sugardave> I just want it
Aug 31 22:15:47 <alexfner> does it have the WIFIs?
Aug 31 22:15:47 <sugardave> "I don't care."
Aug 31 22:15:51 <sugardave> "I don't care."
Aug 31 22:15:54 <Mousey> i love that "the bigger GBs" is now a new meme
Aug 31 22:15:58 <Robdor> alexfner: What does your line look like that loads the texture?  Are you assigning it to a specific index in the array of GLuints or just the array itself.  I do it like this: inst->texture[inst->texture_ref] = SOIL_load_OGL_texture(...)   -- texture is my array of GLuints.
Aug 31 22:16:21 <Anivrom> I love that someone came out with that skit in the first place
Aug 31 22:16:39 <alexfner> I assign to a specific place, I guess it doesn't matter, I just thought you might have an idea.  But I have worked without it
Aug 31 22:31:32 <sugardave> isitoutyet?isitoutyet?
Aug 31 22:31:59 <halfhalo> no
Aug 31 22:32:16 * sugardave hyperventilates.
Aug 31 22:32:25 * halfhalo slaps sugardave
Aug 31 22:32:45 <sugardave> thanks, I needed that
Aug 31 22:32:48 <halfhalo> np
Aug 31 22:32:49 <sugardave> or should have had a v8
Aug 31 22:32:55 <Anivrom> amen
Aug 31 22:33:06 <halfhalo> go work on my node irc script and be useful
Aug 31 22:33:09 <halfhalo> FOR ONCE
Aug 31 22:33:31 * Anivrom gives sugardave a V8, http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/
Aug 31 22:33:37 <halfhalo> bbl quiiiiiz
Aug 31 22:33:44 <dgathright> The anticipation... now I know what iPhone fanboys feel like.  Except, our updates actually contain features.
Aug 31 22:33:54 <dohtem> lmao
Aug 31 22:33:58 <sugardave> dgathright: I'm dying over here
Aug 31 22:34:09 <iWinRar> dgathright that is because so many features were left out
Aug 31 22:34:11 <Anivrom> So what exactly are you waiting for sugardave
Aug 31 22:34:13 <iWinRar> so features could be added :D
Aug 31 22:34:15 <sugardave> I COULD work on this app update
Aug 31 22:34:17 <dohtem> yeah.. stacks is looking mighty good.
Aug 31 22:34:24 <sugardave> Anivrom: the new hotness
Aug 31 22:34:27 <Anivrom> stacks looks unecessary
Aug 31 22:34:31 <sugardave> did you not get the memo?
Aug 31 22:34:34 <Anivrom> 2.0 beta?
Aug 31 22:34:40 <sugardave> that
Aug 31 22:34:46 <iWinRar> sdk beta u mean
Aug 31 22:34:49 <sugardave> yes
Aug 31 22:34:50 <Anivrom> Lol ive had it for a few hours up in canada
Aug 31 22:34:55 <iWinRar> if there is a 2.0 sprint beta hand it over :D
Aug 31 22:34:58 <dgathright> I'm torn between Mojo Core & Node.  Both will keep me occupied for a while.
Aug 31 22:35:19 <iWinRar> i cant even make a simple app so its okay
Aug 31 22:35:41 <iWinRar> should go through the tutorial and see how things actually work instead of trying to wing it
Aug 31 22:38:37 <Anivrom> Hard to code when angry birds is installed on my computer...
Aug 31 22:38:52 <iWinRar> on ur computer?
Aug 31 22:38:54 <Anivrom> computer = phone
Aug 31 22:38:56 <Anivrom>  haha
Aug 31 22:38:57 <maik> hard to do anything with Angry Birds installed anymore
Aug 31 22:39:04 <iWinRar> i love angry birds lol
Aug 31 22:39:05 <maik> s/more/where/
Aug 31 22:39:10 <dohtem> so many levels
Aug 31 22:39:17 <maik> so many stars
Aug 31 22:39:20 <Anivrom> im stuck on 1-21 getting 3 stars
Aug 31 22:39:20 <iWinRar> ive beat almost all of them
Aug 31 22:39:26 <Anivrom> Just got the game last night though
Aug 31 22:39:32 <iWinRar> then going back for 3 stars
Aug 31 22:39:44 <Anivrom> I wont play the next level until I get 3 stars on the previous one
Aug 31 22:40:59 <iWinRar> i cant seem to get 3 stars on 1-12
Aug 31 22:42:31 <Anivrom> really?
Aug 31 22:42:41 <iWinRar> there got it
Aug 31 22:43:15 <alexfner> Anivrom: excited about new webOS features coming in 2.0 (esp. canvas) ?
Aug 31 22:43:49 <Anivrom> I havent had a chance to look at the canvas features
Aug 31 22:43:52 <Anivrom> whats new?
Aug 31 22:44:05 <iWinRar> canvas?
Aug 31 22:44:24 <alexfner> getImageData... full gradient support
Aug 31 22:44:37 <Anivrom> get....image.....data???////....
Aug 31 22:44:48 <sugardave> you didn't see that in your 2.0?
Aug 31 22:44:50 * Anivrom 's lip quivers
Aug 31 22:45:03 <codeslaw_> Anivrom: you missed it, i was crying earlier
Aug 31 22:45:10 <Anivrom> Photoediting app, here I come
Aug 31 22:45:16 <Anivrom> sorry codeslaw
Aug 31 22:45:23 <Anivrom> I gotta builds it
Aug 31 22:45:28 <Anivrom> Being the photoshop nut I am
Aug 31 22:45:30 <codeslaw_> oh please do
Aug 31 22:45:41 <codeslaw_> mine will love some competition =D
Aug 31 22:46:48 <iWinRar> ill get codeslaw's i like his name more :D
Aug 31 22:46:51 <codeslaw_> paintr pro will be a priority, then i was planning to do an image manipulation app
Aug 31 22:47:08 <codeslaw_> i knew it!! people only like my apps because of my name
Aug 31 22:47:19 <alexfner> you can all try to make a good photo editing app
Aug 31 22:47:22 <iWinRar> it is true :D
Aug 31 22:47:22 <alexfner> but mine will rein supreme!
Aug 31 22:47:25 <alexfner> MUHAHAH
Aug 31 22:47:39 <codeslaw_> this will get interesting!!
Aug 31 22:47:58 <elyon> Does anyone know if the webOS doctor image has been updated?
Aug 31 22:48:05 <Anivrom> I dont know if I'll make one. I got alot of other ideas on the table
Aug 31 22:48:08 <codeslaw_> it has not
Aug 31 22:48:19 <elyon> Dropbox says it was updated two hours ago, but it seems the same after downloading it
Aug 31 22:48:19 <iWinRar> for what sprint? it has i believe
Aug 31 22:48:28 <codeslaw_> oh really?
Aug 31 22:48:30 <sugardave> that's because someone kept deleting it
Aug 31 22:48:38 <sugardave> I think
Aug 31 22:48:41 <CTLAdvance> elyon
Aug 31 22:48:45 <CTLAdvance> someone deleted it
Aug 31 22:48:48 <CTLAdvance> and it was restored
Aug 31 22:48:53 <elyon> Bummer :)
Aug 31 22:48:53 <alexfner> weird...
Aug 31 22:49:01 <CTLAdvance> yeah you can see it in the logs
Aug 31 22:49:04 <CTLAdvance> wow
Aug 31 22:49:11 <CTLAdvance> touchstones are getting dirt cheap
Aug 31 22:49:14 <alexfner> this chocolate isn't supposed to have nuts... :/
Aug 31 22:49:15 <elyon> I figured ... why try out a beta in an emulator when you can try it on the phone :)
Aug 31 22:49:28 <elyon> Touchstone in the car, touchstone at work, touchstone at home
Aug 31 22:49:33 <CTLAdvance> yeah I asked the big man, he ignored me :)
Aug 31 22:49:37 <elyon> Touchstones everywhere! I hope they stay cheap :)
Aug 31 22:49:37 <CTLAdvance> although I assume hes busy
Aug 31 22:49:54 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I need some more, there .99 on ebay
Aug 31 22:50:01 <CTLAdvance> but 15 for overnite shipping
Aug 31 22:50:03 <CTLAdvance> ugh
Aug 31 22:50:07 <elyon> *sigh*
Aug 31 22:50:13 <elyon> oh well
Aug 31 22:50:22 <elyon> I got in on it when Radio Shack discontinued them
Aug 31 22:50:31 <elyon> Touchstone in the car actually worked really well
Aug 31 22:50:52 <Anivrom> thats what I need since im in and out of a truck all day
Aug 31 22:50:54 <elyon> But finally decided to bring it inside, so my wife and I could both use one
Aug 31 22:51:05 <elyon> You just need to use the Palm car charger ...
Aug 31 22:51:10 <elyon> Other chargers don't provide enough amps
Aug 31 22:51:16 <alexfner> gmail should unveil an "old timey" version of gmail
Aug 31 22:51:32 <Anivrom> I hate the hassle of plugging and unplugging it
Aug 31 22:51:40 <elyon> ... and just be aware that it may get warmer than usual, so try and put it somewhere shady if possible
Aug 31 22:51:41 <Anivrom> plus it is wearing down the usb jack quickly
Aug 31 22:51:42 <codeslaw_> called The Jee-Mailer?
Aug 31 22:51:52 <elyon> It's cool because if you are connected to your audio ...
Aug 31 22:52:06 <elyon> You can turn on turn-by-turn GPS, and it will turn down the music whenever it needs to talk ...
Aug 31 22:52:08 <alexfner> yes
Aug 31 22:52:12 <alexfner> exactly
Aug 31 22:52:15 <alexfner> GPS
Aug 31 22:52:16 <alexfner> hrm
Aug 31 22:52:20 <elyon> And if you get a call, it puts the audio over the speakers, but picks up off the mic still
Aug 31 22:52:35 <elyon> Instead of thinking you're on a headset, or doing speaker phone through the phone's speakers
Aug 31 22:52:37 <alexfner> are we talking about SYNC?
Aug 31 22:52:43 <alexfner> cause that works as you described
Aug 31 22:52:45 <Anivrom> ebay, 20 dollars for touchstone
Aug 31 22:52:45 <elyon> No, just an audio jack in the top
Aug 31 22:52:52 <alexfner> you can also stream bt audio to the car stereo
Aug 31 22:52:54 <alexfner> which is awesome
Aug 31 22:52:57 <dawm|laptop> got my first piece of mail at my house.. and of course it was a bill. $5 electric bill for them turning on the electric
Aug 31 22:53:01 <elyon> Though Bluetooth audio is probably the same, without the wires
Aug 31 22:53:05 <Anivrom> 7.91...
Aug 31 22:53:12 <CTLAdvance> anivrom
Aug 31 22:53:16 <maik> k
Aug 31 22:53:18 <maik> mt
Aug 31 22:53:26 <CTLAdvance> ebay .99, plus 1499 for overnight
Aug 31 22:53:33 <HattCzech_work> new bird type in angry birds!
Aug 31 22:53:36 <Anivrom> wheres?
Aug 31 22:53:37 <Mousey> for a phone app??
Aug 31 22:53:42 <CTLAdvance> hold on
Aug 31 22:53:57 <HattCzech_work> (on level 6-4... get to use it on 6-5)
Aug 31 22:53:57 <CTLAdvance> http://cgi.ebay.com/PALM-TOUCHSTONE-INDUCTIVE-CHARGER-PRE-PIXI-NEW-/250677306034?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a5d8822b2
Aug 31 22:54:13 <elyon> I sort of can't believe that Angry Birds has sold what ... 6.5 million copies?
Aug 31 22:54:13 <Mousey> also, is there a way to get normal music whatever to play thru regular headset profile instead of needing a2dp?
Aug 31 22:54:17 <elyon> 13 million bucks
Aug 31 22:54:19 <Mousey> wait, wrong channel
Aug 31 22:54:26 <elyon> Box2D with some graphics over the top
Aug 31 22:54:37 <elyon> I need to cut a bigger slice of this pie
Aug 31 22:54:47 <codeslaw_> i'll be bizzack later
Aug 31 22:55:03 <iWinRar> ok 1-17 i got 3 stars
Aug 31 22:55:22 <iWinRar> err 1-1-1-17 :D
Aug 31 22:56:17 <HattCzech_work> new bird = REALLY HARD to control
Aug 31 22:56:37 <Anivrom> Hmmm my scene is white until it loads the scene.
Aug 31 22:57:57 <elyon> Well, between webOS 2.0 and Beatport, I need to get back to work :)
Aug 31 22:58:30 <sugardave> I like to shoot the birds like I'm aiming a mortar instead of a slingshot
Aug 31 22:59:10 <HattCzech_work> the new one turns around
Aug 31 22:59:18 <HattCzech_work> makes it a whole new level of tricky
Aug 31 22:59:27 <Anivrom> la la la la la la la
Aug 31 22:59:31 * Anivrom covers ears
Aug 31 22:59:38 <sugardave> oh you are further than me now
Aug 31 22:59:46 <HattCzech_work> hehe sorry Anivrom
Aug 31 23:00:30 <Anivrom> alexfner: is there a way to alpha fade 1 image to another in canvas?
Aug 31 23:00:38 <Anivrom> I seem to recall something but not sure
Aug 31 23:00:43 <Anivrom> on webos that is
Aug 31 23:01:01 <alexfner> I don't understand the question
Aug 31 23:01:06 <alexfner> what do you mean exactly?
Aug 31 23:01:21 <Anivrom> draw an image, but with say 0.2 opacity
Aug 31 23:01:21 <rohit2> Hello although this might not be a right place to ask. But i need some help. I submitted one application and it is available for downloads through web distribution and it's available for download in palm catalogue. But the money is not being transferred to my paypal account. My report shows 10 settled downloads from previous 2 months.
Aug 31 23:01:26 <Anivrom> so I can fade one image to the next
Aug 31 23:01:50 <rohit2> We have been writing to palm people but no response. Anyone can give any suggestions??
Aug 31 23:02:06 <sugardave> rohit2: you need a minimum of $100 owed
Aug 31 23:02:08 <sugardave> or 6 months
Aug 31 23:02:34 <rohit2> Ok. So before that we recieve no payment?
Aug 31 23:02:42 <sugardave> right
Aug 31 23:02:54 <rohit2> Also no notification or anything when the application is downloaded?
Aug 31 23:04:14 <sugardave> rohit2: no, the only number to care about is settled downloads
Aug 31 23:05:12 <rohit2> Ok. Why don't they have some automated system that sends an email to developers email address maybe once in a month.
Aug 31 23:05:48 <elyon> Anivrom: I can do that in haXe pretty easily, but I haven't tried it in Javascript
Aug 31 23:05:55 <Anivrom> :P
Aug 31 23:05:59 <Anivrom> How's haxe doing?
Aug 31 23:06:10 <alexfner> Anivrom: putImageData
Aug 31 23:06:19 <elyon> Loading bitmaps, loading sounds, live on the app catalog
Aug 31 23:06:27 <Anivrom> alexfner: isnt that unsupported?
Aug 31 23:06:28 <elyon> Oh, and using the accelerometer
Aug 31 23:06:34 <sugardave> rohit2: you'll take what you get and you'll like it :P  Seriously, it's WAY better than it used to be :D
Aug 31 23:06:51 <alexfner> putImageData is supoorted as far as I am aware.  getImageData is not
Aug 31 23:07:00 <elyon> This might help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2359537/how-to-change-the-opacity-alpha-transparency-of-an-element-in-a-canvas-element
Aug 31 23:07:12 <elyon> Looks like they're drawing a solid rectangle over the top, with transparency
Aug 31 23:08:18 <alexfner> Anivrom: also change globalAlpha to your alpha value, before drawing the image
Aug 31 23:08:37 <alexfner> oh, I see that's what they do in the sof article
Aug 31 23:08:44 <Anivrom> I gotta save and revert before and after though right
Aug 31 23:08:51 <alexfner> Anivrom: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#images
Aug 31 23:08:54 <alexfner> yes
Aug 31 23:08:58 <alexfner> don't have to save
Aug 31 23:09:01 <alexfner> can just set it back
Aug 31 23:09:03 <alexfner> if you choose
Aug 31 23:09:07 <Anivrom> I see
Aug 31 23:09:19 <Anivrom> Might look into it
Aug 31 23:09:28 <elyon> haXe is running great, but sometimes the C code crashes one something, and its a little tricky to figure out why
Aug 31 23:09:37 <Anivrom> hmm
Aug 31 23:09:42 <elyon> I had one WAV file that made it crash, and another image that it didn't like the dimensions
Aug 31 23:09:53 <elyon> It was like 51 x 48. I changed it to 55 x 50 and it ran fine
Aug 31 23:09:58 <HattCzech_work> adios all
Aug 31 23:10:06 <HattCzech_work> hopefully i'll be on later
Aug 31 23:10:10 <elyon> Other than that things are working well
Aug 31 23:10:43 <rohit2> sugardave: u mean it was worse before?? :o
Aug 31 23:13:03 <sugardave> rohit2: a long time ago we didn't even know the total number of actual downloads :D  just the total number of all downloads ever
Aug 31 23:13:17 <sugardave> good times
Aug 31 23:13:24 <Anivrom> were had by all
Aug 31 23:13:54 <elyon> I still wish the developer site would redirect after logging in
Aug 31 23:13:57 <halfhalo> hurdur....
Aug 31 23:13:59 <halfhalo> :p
Aug 31 23:14:08 <elyon> At least it's legible now when viewing it on the phone ...
Aug 31 23:14:16 <rohit2> sugardave: Ok. They do pay developers right?? :p
Aug 31 23:14:19 <elyon> It was a bit painful when all the text would disappear :)
Aug 31 23:14:33 <sugardave> rohit2: oh yes, I have personally been paid more than once :D
Aug 31 23:14:46 <Anivrom> rohit2: only if your name starts with z
Aug 31 23:14:57 <elyon> I think they allow 60 days, but usually it's about three weeks after the end of each month
Aug 31 23:15:01 <elyon> Through PayPal
Aug 31 23:15:22 <halfhalo> wawawaaaaa
Aug 31 23:15:31 <rohit2> sugardave:u mean every time u exceeded 100$..?? which apps have u made?
Aug 31 23:16:11 <rohit2> Also once updated version of an app is uploaded,, the prices can be changed?? and do the old comments still persist?
Aug 31 23:16:28 <sugardave> rohit2: I made 3 apps when I first started learning stuff (so they're pretty bad :) Mind Master, BOFH Excuse Generator, and the infamous Yule Log
Aug 31 23:17:09 <halfhalo> they all suck
Aug 31 23:17:13 <sugardave> basically
Aug 31 23:17:32 <sugardave> I have an update planned for Yule Log, though
Aug 31 23:17:34 <sugardave> yule see
Aug 31 23:18:11 <sugardave> rohit2: yeah, you can change your price and comments stick around for ????  a long time I thinki
Aug 31 23:18:26 <dgathright> Oooo... I remember Yule Log.
Aug 31 23:18:47 <sugardave> hahaha
Aug 31 23:18:58 <dgathright> I use it to try & impress my girlfriend, but she thought it was lame, and broke up with me.  Life hasn't been the same since.
Aug 31 23:19:04 <dgathright> so, thanks
Aug 31 23:19:04 <sugardave> I think I sold 3 copies of Yule Log in June
Aug 31 23:19:06 <rohit2> I mean when a new version is released the feedback/ comments with previous version are shown with new version as well?
Aug 31 23:19:07 <sugardave> in June
Aug 31 23:19:16 <sugardave> rohit2: yes
Aug 31 23:19:25 <rohit2> ok
Aug 31 23:19:42 <Anivrom> I can use break; to get out of a function early right?
Aug 31 23:19:50 <sugardave> dgathright: you'll be able to win her back with the next version
Aug 31 23:19:57 <sugardave> Anivrom: use return;
Aug 31 23:19:58 <dgathright> yipee
Aug 31 23:20:07 <haeffb_pre> return;
Aug 31 23:20:15 <Anivrom> I can return without actually returning anything?
Aug 31 23:20:21 <Anivrom> oh schnapps
Aug 31 23:20:24 <sugardave> Anivrom: break is only for switch and one other thing I can't remember
Aug 31 23:20:31 <Anivrom> loop
Aug 31 23:20:55 <Arrgh`> Can we write services in Java yet?
Aug 31 23:21:06 <halfhalo> no
Aug 31 23:21:09 <halfhalo> we never will
Aug 31 23:21:10 <Arrgh`> Or better yet Scala
Aug 31 23:21:11 <halfhalo> EVER
Aug 31 23:21:15 <halfhalo> IT IS HORRIBLE
Aug 31 23:21:20 <bougyman> ahahahaha
Aug 31 23:21:28 <bougyman> scala for mobile apps?
Aug 31 23:21:35 <bougyman> are you going to cluster cell phones?
Aug 31 23:21:37 <Arrgh`> pfft, it's Java halfway down below the UI layer already
Aug 31 23:21:43 <halfhalo> no its not
Aug 31 23:21:55 <bougyman> not in webos it isn't.
Aug 31 23:21:58 <halfhalo> Java is going byby from everywhere on the pre
Aug 31 23:22:09 <maik> i didn't know there was java in use at all
Aug 31 23:22:11 <Arrgh`> Really?  Whatever happened to jetty etc.?
Aug 31 23:22:16 <dgathright> hallelujah
Aug 31 23:22:25 <halfhalo> praise the laud!
Aug 31 23:22:39 <Arrgh`> "Many of the services on the WebOS devices use Java to run."
Aug 31 23:22:39 * dohtem praises!
Aug 31 23:22:43 <bougyman> any news on a new webos phone anytime in the near future?
Aug 31 23:22:49 <Arrgh`> A post from 4 months ago
Aug 31 23:22:58 <bougyman> Arrgh`: that's a misprint.
Aug 31 23:23:11 <bougyman> most apps in webos are in ecma, which is commonly referred to as javascript
Aug 31 23:23:13 <dgathright> Am I remembering correctly that webOS was originally almost all Java, then they realised JS/HTML/CSS made a bit more sense?
Aug 31 23:23:13 <Anivrom> Java"script"
Aug 31 23:23:22 <bougyman> a lot of idiots confuse java and javascript.
Aug 31 23:23:30 <dgathright> don't be 'that' guy
Aug 31 23:23:32 <bougyman> which is why I prefer to call it ecmascript or ecma
Aug 31 23:23:42 <halfhalo> no, java was on there early on
Aug 31 23:23:42 <Arrgh`> I *know* that the top several layers of webOS apps are HTML/JS/CSS, and that's great; but the stateful services below it...
Aug 31 23:23:47 <Arrgh`> Trust me, I'm not one of those guys
Aug 31 23:23:47 <maik> oh i hope that's not what Arrgh` was thinking
Aug 31 23:23:51 <maik> yay
Aug 31 23:23:55 <halfhalo> node.js ftw
Aug 31 23:24:20 <dgathright> yeah, let's get back to talk about how awesome Node is.  fo'get the past.
Aug 31 23:24:30 <halfhalo> :p
Aug 31 23:24:35 <dohtem> quick, someone give me a brief overview of node.js!
Aug 31 23:24:45 <halfhalo> its awesome
Aug 31 23:24:47 <sugardave> server-side javascript
Aug 31 23:24:51 <Anivrom> it does cloud stuff!
Aug 31 23:24:53 <sugardave> file access
Aug 31 23:24:55 <Anivrom> Really awesomely
Aug 31 23:24:58 <sugardave> persistent servers
Aug 31 23:25:02 <maik> i like clouds!
Aug 31 23:25:04 <Arrgh`> Hopefully you guys can open source the iventor VM then, world needs it
Aug 31 23:25:04 <bougyman> it's yet another asyncronous evented web server.
Aug 31 23:25:07 <alexfner> everything will be evented
Aug 31 23:25:10 <Arrgh`> (even if you don't ;)
Aug 31 23:25:11 <alexfner> your entire application
Aug 31 23:25:14 <bougyman> about 1/100 the speed of the C evented web servers.
Aug 31 23:25:17 <dohtem> severside js? wait, wait.... what interpretes my code?
Aug 31 23:25:17 <bougyman> yay for that.
Aug 31 23:25:22 <alexfner> you'll be pppoppping
Aug 31 23:25:24 <halfhalo> v8 runs it
Aug 31 23:25:50 <bougyman> how does node.js solve the 10k problem?
Aug 31 23:25:56 <bougyman> it ignores it!
Aug 31 23:25:59 <bougyman> </rant>
Aug 31 23:25:59 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 31 23:26:01 <Anivrom> bougyman: 1/100 the speed, but 100 times the FUN!!!!!!1
Aug 31 23:26:06 <rohit2> Great Sir. IRC gives opportunities to talk with real time developers. Hope palm people would have replied to my mail querries earlier. Thank you.
Aug 31 23:26:07 <halfhalo> its what the cool kids do
Aug 31 23:26:16 * halfhalo has node irc
Aug 31 23:26:18 * halfhalo wins
Aug 31 23:26:31 <dohtem> thanks guys
Aug 31 23:26:53 <sugardave> what is the 10k problem?
Aug 31 23:27:04 <halfhalo> node is single threaded
Aug 31 23:27:11 <sugardave> right
Aug 31 23:27:22 <halfhalo> can't scale for crap
Aug 31 23:27:32 <halfhalo> 10k was the limit a http server hit
Aug 31 23:27:32 <Anivrom> over 10k requests / connections
Aug 31 23:27:32 <sugardave> ah, right
Aug 31 23:27:49 <alexfner> yeah, but taht isn't a problem you'll reach on the device
Aug 31 23:27:57 * halfhalo will
Aug 31 23:28:08 <Arrgh`> node probably makes tons of sense for a phone that already relies on having a fast JS runtime around, and after all, there's not a single multi-core phone CPU on the market yet
Aug 31 23:28:16 <alexfner> and in no way is palm saying that you should use node as the interface in teh cloud
Aug 31 23:28:30 <halfhalo> except for easy tcp
Aug 31 23:28:32 <dgathright> why the hell would you be serving more than 10k connections off a single thread?
Aug 31 23:28:35 <alexfner> right
Aug 31 23:28:43 <alexfner> you won't on the device
Aug 31 23:28:49 <dgathright> anywhere
Aug 31 23:28:49 * halfhalo will
Aug 31 23:29:38 <Anivrom> well... All coroutines yield to Doug Crockford.
Aug 31 23:29:47 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 31 23:30:15 <dgathright> bougyman: have you looked at the nginx vs node benchmarks?  Don't recall those being 100x slower
Aug 31 23:33:32 <madnificent> does the dev of settledown reside here?
Aug 31 23:33:38 * alexfner wonders what the different in latency is between node and the current js services on the device
Aug 31 23:33:43 <alexfner> java*
Aug 31 23:33:44 <alexfner> not js
Aug 31 23:33:52 <halfhalo> no java is left
Aug 31 23:34:20 <alexfner> it is right now
Aug 31 23:34:26 <alexfner> how did that not make sense?
Aug 31 23:34:33 <alexfner> in 1.4.5 services run on a java vm
Aug 31 23:34:36 <dgathright> Gotta imagine it's an improvement
Aug 31 23:34:52 <halfhalo> noooo they doooont.. well, one or two might
Aug 31 23:34:53 <dohtem> any one get access yet?
Aug 31 23:34:58 <alexfner> and I was wondering what the latency difference is between those services and node
Aug 31 23:35:02 <halfhalo> most were moved to c
Aug 31 23:35:07 <alexfner> dohtem: NDA :D
Aug 31 23:35:08 <halfhalo> and triton
Aug 31 23:35:12 <dohtem> :(
Aug 31 23:35:14 <codeslaw> back
Aug 31 23:37:27 <funkatron> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
Aug 31 23:37:31 <funkatron> NODE?
Aug 31 23:37:41 <halfhalo> gives you cancer
Aug 31 23:37:41 <sugardave> node idea
Aug 31 23:37:51 <madnificent> why the shouting?
Aug 31 23:37:51 <maik> node diggity
Aug 31 23:38:22 <Anivrom> Wife is cooking up some northern pike that we caught on vacation. w00t
Aug 31 23:39:20 <Arrgh`> Is Paul Mercer still at Palm?
Aug 31 23:39:42 <dohtem> Anivrom: you lazy man!  she's slaving over a hot stove and you are here waiting for 2.0
Aug 31 23:39:47 <dohtem> :)
Aug 31 23:40:00 <Anivrom> and?.....
Aug 31 23:40:05 <dohtem> heh
Aug 31 23:40:05 <iWinRar> yea.... and?
Aug 31 23:40:18 <Anivrom> what part of Wife didnt you understand
Aug 31 23:40:22 <Anivrom> :P
Aug 31 23:40:25 <funkatron> Node.js is WEB SCALE
Aug 31 23:40:29 <iWinRar> i personlly dont understand the ife part
Aug 31 23:40:33 <madnificent> Anivrom: and that's why you shouldn't have logs
Aug 31 23:40:48 <Anivrom> madnificent: she would laugh if she read that
Aug 31 23:40:56 <halfhalo> bbl
Aug 31 23:40:56 <Anivrom> She is easy going like that
Aug 31 23:41:04 * madnificent wasn't serious ^_^
Aug 31 23:41:22 <Anivrom> dekan: make me a cheeseburger
Aug 31 23:41:30 <funkatron> whoops, I totally let some profanity go in a screenshot
Aug 31 23:41:36 <maik> :(
Aug 31 23:43:47 <dgathright> Don't tase me Node!
Aug 31 23:44:05 <dgathright> (since we're throwing out Node web memes)
Aug 31 23:44:40 <funkatron> haha
Aug 31 23:44:43 <funkatron> I love that guy
Aug 31 23:45:08 <funkatron> can someone put "node" on the soccer ball here? http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/8/26/f32e6bfb-fb34-44af-ae44-a3da8087226c.gif
Aug 31 23:46:12 <dohtem> whoa.. that must've hurt
Aug 31 23:49:05 <dgathright> and you better be nice to Node, otherwise I'll tell #node.js that the #webos people are ripping on it, and they'll be on you like 100 Rails fanboys after you say "But, Rails can't scale"
Aug 31 23:51:26 <funkatron> I like node1
Aug 31 23:51:27 <funkatron> !
Aug 31 23:51:56 <funkatron> but Rails fanboys don't scare me. What are they gonna do, hit me with their $50 v-neck t-shirts?
Aug 31 23:52:21 <dgathright> lol
Aug 31 23:52:22 <Arrgh`> huh, I didn't see Paul Mercer's name among the "Palm exec exodus" stories but it looks like he's been out for awhile
Aug 31 23:53:28 <dgathright> hey, being doused with a scolding hot Mocha Cappucino from Starbucks will cause some serious burns.
Aug 31 23:54:17 <dohtem> but you'll smell delicious and chocolatey
Aug 31 23:55:30 <dgathright> and coffee-ey
Sep 01 00:04:15 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Sep 01 00:09:01 <alexfner> man, starbucks sucks, let's be honest
Sep 01 00:09:35 <Arrgh`> Plus, there's no such thing as a "mocha cappuccino"
Sep 01 00:11:28 <alexfner> every time I go to a starbucks, I vomit in my mouth a bit
Sep 01 00:13:25 <Arrgh`> I have an irrational dislike for people who try to satirize coffee culture by putting up impossible drink orders as their strawman. ;)
Sep 01 00:15:58 <alexfner> I just don't like their blends
Sep 01 00:16:21 <alexfner> I mean, smaller coffee shops have better blends, espressos with real character, and drinks that push the envelope
Sep 01 00:16:33 <alexfner> starbucks is for people who want to pay $3.50 to feel secure
Sep 01 00:17:03 <alexfner> and I want to pay $3.50 and feel love, and warmth, all in a cup
Sep 01 00:17:09 <Arrgh`> sbux espresso has been going downhill for years ever since the monkey bar
Sep 01 00:17:32 <alexfner> Arrgh`: where are you located?  I'll give you the address of the nearest awesome coffee place
Sep 01 00:17:57 <Arrgh`> I'm in Vancouver BC so there's no shortage
Sep 01 00:19:10 <alexfner> http://ritual.myshopify.com/products/seasonal-espresso
Sep 01 00:23:06 <halfhalo> wooooow
Sep 01 00:23:13 <halfhalo> got ssl support in my node thingie
Sep 01 00:32:53 <dgathright> Any early ideas for Node based apps? Will be interested to see how the carrier networks behave, since Node makes networking, servers, & sockets dead simple.
Sep 01 00:33:32 <dgathright> device <--> device communication could get real interesting.
Sep 01 00:33:49 <rwhitby> which US carriers are still walled gardens NAT-wise?
Sep 01 00:33:58 <dgathright> no idea
Sep 01 00:34:09 <fahque> is wordace down for anyone else?
Sep 01 00:34:59 <fahque> hi rwhitby
Sep 01 00:35:16 <fahque> ty for ur blessings work
Sep 01 00:36:14 <rwhitby> fahque: you're welcome - it's a team effort at WebOS Internals
Sep 01 00:38:10 <fahque> cool I know.. but I saw you on one of the last live chats.  good to finally see the hand that feeds
Sep 01 00:38:50 <fahque> .. drunken sorrow blabber done
Sep 01 00:41:37 <fahque> shit a frog just crawled on my foot.... patio drinkin/smokin
Sep 01 00:44:24 <haeffb> why's the frog drinkin/smokin?
Sep 01 00:44:40 <fahque> webos - for times when ur wife hijacks ur tower to game
Sep 01 00:45:16 <fahque> haeffb:  I wish this frog would have a cool coors & camel with me
Sep 01 00:45:37 <fahque> that's beyond youtube worthy
Sep 01 00:46:27 <fahque> I noticed vimeo updated their m site... damn nice and I loved the stoner musicvids they have up
Sep 01 00:46:49 <fahque> had to prove a point to an incrdible owner earlier
Sep 01 00:48:54 <fahque> rwhitby:  loving 125/500/800 profile      welllll dooneee team
Sep 01 00:49:25 <fahque> 1g if I know I have batt / charge nearby
Sep 01 00:50:45 <fahque> haeffb:  I think the frog came to eat the flea actually doh
Sep 01 00:53:08 <fahque> battery life:  ... if pandora drained my batt.. so did it my mind.  therefore, 'l forgiven
Sep 01 00:53:24 <fahque> oops all forgiven
Sep 01 00:55:27 <fahque> accutane:  shit makes you blind... and that's the least of worries with it
Sep 01 00:56:01 <fahque> HP:  I need a 5" screen next go 'round
Sep 01 00:59:25 <haeffb> codeslaw: ping
Sep 01 01:04:01 <Anivrom> just watched the first 45 minutes of inception again, catching a heck of a lot more details this time around lol
Sep 01 01:07:26 <dgathright> yeah, it's better the 2nd time around.  great flick
Sep 01 01:07:36 <Anivrom> best movie I've ever seen tbh
Sep 01 01:07:44 <Anivrom> I looooove intelligent movies
Sep 01 01:07:48 <Anivrom> with twists
Sep 01 01:08:07 <Anivrom> like oceans 11
Sep 01 01:09:24 <dgathright> and The Last Unicorn
Sep 01 01:16:15 <codeslaw> haeffb: hai
Sep 01 01:16:48 <haeffb> I'm still fighting this lazy list loading thing...
Sep 01 01:17:04 <haeffb> what I have found is:
Sep 01 01:17:32 <haeffb> 1) the initial load is for renderLimit + 2 * lookahead
Sep 01 01:17:40 <fahque> memento
Sep 01 01:18:02 <haeffb> 2) if your inital list length is < that number, the widget never calls for more items
Sep 01 01:18:12 <codeslaw> weird on that one...
Sep 01 01:18:20 <haeffb> 3) if your initial list length is > that number plus a few...then it does call for more items.
Sep 01 01:18:30 <haeffb> just curious how you intially load items into the list.
Sep 01 01:18:40 <iWinRar> rwhitby they talked about you a few times in the palm cast :D
Sep 01 01:18:54 <iWinRar> as usual, well not exactly you but kinda
Sep 01 01:19:01 <codeslaw> let me check, haven't visited it in a while
Sep 01 01:19:19 <rwhitby> iWinRar: unfortunately could not listen or join the chat today due to work commitments
Sep 01 01:19:35 <iWinRar> yea i noticed you wernt around
Sep 01 01:19:43 <haeffb> I can break the lazy list in uiWidgets by changing one number.
Sep 01 01:21:28 <codeslaw> haeffb: i have a json object from the previous scene
Sep 01 01:21:48 <haeffb> with some number of intial images?
Sep 01 01:22:37 <codeslaw> its got over 6k images
Sep 01 01:23:12 <codeslaw> i set a renderlimit of 50
Sep 01 01:23:27 <Jev> good evening
Sep 01 01:23:33 <codeslaw> haven
Sep 01 01:23:40 <haeffb> the json object has that many from the previous scene?
Sep 01 01:23:44 <codeslaw> yes
Sep 01 01:23:49 <haeffb> ah...
Sep 01 01:24:03 <codeslaw> i load the object via ajax, and pass it into my list scene
Sep 01 01:24:37 <codeslaw> is your filter function maybe causing some kind of error for those special image count circumstances you mentioned?
Sep 01 01:24:52 <haeffb> ...what I was talking about was only getting new items thru ajax (or in my case, from the DB) when the list needs more items
Sep 01 01:25:03 <haeffb> do you have uiWidgets sample code handy?
Sep 01 01:26:13 <frankos72> does anyone have chuq's new email address....  (I'm assuming it has changed)
Sep 01 01:26:30 <haeffb> his sekrit email address?
Sep 01 01:26:36 <frankos72> LOL
Sep 01 01:26:59 <kesne_away> I am here
Sep 01 01:27:08 <haeffb> here? or away?
Sep 01 01:27:15 <kesne> boom
Sep 01 01:27:17 <frankos72> says away
Sep 01 01:27:32 <kesne> frankos72: Why would he have?
Sep 01 01:27:39 <haeffb> kesne's location status is now ambiguous
Sep 01 01:27:51 <frankos72> not sure... cause HP bought the company?
Sep 01 01:28:19 <frankos72> I haven't even tried the old @palm on, but I just assumed it would have changed.
Sep 01 01:28:31 <kesne> chuq@palm.com
Sep 01 01:28:44 <frankos72> k.... still the same, thanks.
Sep 01 01:29:13 <frankos72> I'm asking cause the 2.0 sdk isn't in the spot where I got 1.4.5
Sep 01 01:29:37 <codeslaw> haeffb: aahh.. no experience with that.  i confused lazy loading with rendering
Sep 01 01:29:38 <kesne> It's out?
Sep 01 01:29:40 <codeslaw> sorry =(
Sep 01 01:30:07 <haeffb> no problem...I was hoping you had the sekrit to making it work...will keep researching.
Sep 01 01:31:08 <haeffb> if you want to see the problem, though, just change this line in lazy-list-assistant in uiWidgets
Sep 01 01:31:13 <haeffb> this.list.push.apply(this.list, this.makeItems(100, 0));
Sep 01 01:31:27 <haeffb> that is in setup(), line 28
Sep 01 01:31:53 <haeffb> change the 100 to something less than 55 and the list loading breaks
Sep 01 01:41:31 <CTLAdvance> 2.0 isnt deployed yet to early releases
Sep 01 01:41:40 <CTLAdvance> Chuq was waiting on something
Sep 01 01:41:59 <CTLAdvance> also we cant talk about this here... since all early release objects are under NDA
Sep 01 01:43:26 <dawm|laptop> lol
Sep 01 01:43:32 <dawm|laptop> man.. bought a house at the wrong time :P
Sep 01 01:43:40 <CTLAdvance> and for the record SC2 is garbage... that is all
Sep 01 01:43:41 <CTLAdvance> z;0
Sep 01 01:43:43 <dawm|laptop> too busy dealing with moving to do any stuff :(
Sep 01 01:43:45 <CTLAdvance> :)
Sep 01 01:43:49 <CTLAdvance> :(
Sep 01 01:43:52 <CTLAdvance> thats sad
Sep 01 01:44:11 <dawm|laptop> got an appt for saturday for inet/cable so ill be able to start moving over there officially
Sep 01 01:44:13 <CTLAdvance> you need to stop moving and play with your pre
Sep 01 01:44:27 <dawm|laptop> i already installed a touchstone on the kitchen counter :P
Sep 01 01:45:26 <CTLAdvance> I am debating buying another touchstone
Sep 01 01:45:35 <dawm|laptop> i did
Sep 01 01:45:36 <CTLAdvance> I am not sure if new devices will use the same one
Sep 01 01:45:46 <CTLAdvance> oh boy decision decision
Sep 01 01:45:48 <dawm|laptop> ill need a 3rd now, gotta have one in every main room
Sep 01 01:45:53 <dawm|laptop> er ill need 2 more
Sep 01 01:46:00 <dawm|laptop> livingroom, kitchen, office, bedroom
Sep 01 01:46:06 <CTLAdvance> yeah, you can get them new on ebay for 16 with over night shipping
Sep 01 01:46:13 <CTLAdvance> not sure how reliable the seller is
Sep 01 01:46:14 * Anivrom is still waiting for his pre to bootup 6 minutes later
Sep 01 01:46:27 <dawm|laptop> i bought mine on amazon last time
Sep 01 01:46:30 <Anivrom> CTLAdvance: they dont ship to canader :(
Sep 01 01:46:35 <dawm|laptop> got legit cords and wall plugs
Sep 01 01:46:37 <CTLAdvance> I have decided that the uberG1 palm default kernel is better than the default palm kernel
Sep 01 01:46:52 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Sep 01 01:47:17 <kesne> Anivrom!
Sep 01 01:47:32 <iWinRar> kinda how is everyone?
Sep 01 01:47:33 <CTLAdvance> KESNE!
Sep 01 01:47:50 <kesne> Ugh, it's CTLAdvance... what do YOU want?
Sep 01 01:48:13 <alexfner> let us remember that we're in the holy presence of NDA
Sep 01 01:48:52 <CTLAdvance> alexfner thats what I was telling them
Sep 01 01:51:09 <alexfner> werd werdy
Sep 01 01:52:04 <dawm|laptop> fuck
Sep 01 01:52:08 <dawm|laptop> when did all this 2.0 new hit
Sep 01 01:52:25 <dawm|laptop> i last checked twitter around 8am ish, been busy since
Sep 01 01:52:55 <dawm|laptop> yeah the last thing i remember was facebook being updaed
Sep 01 01:53:28 <CTLAdvance> yeah dawm I was locked in a building with a cell jammer, so I couldnt check anything
Sep 01 01:53:54 <CTLAdvance> "black" building.... found out around 6PM EST
Sep 01 01:54:47 <dawm|laptop> maybe i should play the lottery
Sep 01 01:54:55 <dawm|laptop> things are going great lately ;P
Sep 01 01:55:02 <alexfner> so you're a member of those 850,000 or so people with top secret clearance?
Sep 01 01:56:10 <sugardave> I think my dropbox is broken
Sep 01 01:58:17 <dawm|laptop> its funny
Sep 01 01:58:36 <dawm|laptop> theres a post dated Sep 1st 2009 in the private forum about the dropbox
Sep 01 01:58:45 <dawm|laptop> maybe they will wait till tomorrow :P
Sep 01 01:58:52 <CTLAdvance> I cant discuss it, but it is possible
Sep 01 01:58:53 <sugardave> NOOOOOOO
Sep 01 01:59:10 <CTLAdvance> sugardave... its not there yet
Sep 01 01:59:16 <sugardave> I know :P
Sep 01 01:59:20 <CTLAdvance> :)
Sep 01 01:59:23 <sugardave> I am impatient
Sep 01 01:59:30 <sugardave> pushthebutton
Sep 01 01:59:46 <dawm|laptop> night
Sep 01 01:59:49 <haeffb> sugardave: fix my list problem, please!
Sep 01 02:00:00 <haeffb> or Roy-Pre101
Sep 01 02:00:03 <haeffb> or anyone, really
Sep 01 02:00:31 <sugardave> haeffb: is that the lazy list?
Sep 01 02:00:36 <sugardave> I haven't done one yet
Sep 01 02:00:40 <haeffb> yes, it's way too lazy
Sep 01 02:00:48 <haeffb> got uiWidgets?
Sep 01 02:01:02 <sugardave> ummmm
Sep 01 02:01:30 <dawm> um the dropbox is getting 'tweaked'
Sep 01 02:01:36 <dawm> or my computer is being weird
Sep 01 02:02:04 <haeffb> sugardave: why do you have to push a button?
Sep 01 02:02:15 <haeffb> isn't dropbox updated automagically?
Sep 01 02:02:22 <sugardave> is uiWidgets an app?
Sep 01 02:02:28 <haeffb> one of the sample apps
Sep 01 02:02:30 <sugardave> oh
Sep 01 02:02:32 <haeffb> in SDK
Sep 01 02:02:59 <haeffb> samplecode/samples/uiWidgets
Sep 01 02:03:27 <sugardave> I need to finish up some scroller work on this update and then I can take a peek
Sep 01 02:08:21 <torchie_pre> THE GOOD NEWS
Sep 01 02:10:40 <CTLAdvance> its not out yet
Sep 01 02:14:00 <dgathright> how about now?
Sep 01 02:14:24 <sugardave> :(
Sep 01 02:15:40 <torchie_pre> is webos 2.0 out yet
Sep 01 02:15:43 * torchie_pre updates
Sep 01 02:15:46 * torchie_pre refresh
Sep 01 02:18:46 <HattCzech> evening
Sep 01 02:18:55 <torchie_pre> eyo
Sep 01 02:19:47 <Anivrom> final level in first stage is driving me nuts to get 3 stars
Sep 01 02:19:55 <Anivrom> I can't seem to beat it within 3 birds
Sep 01 02:20:09 <Anivrom> I come close but can't knock the far tower down
Sep 01 02:20:15 <Anivrom> enough to kill the pig
Sep 01 02:20:36 <HattCzech> need tips? (if i can remember?)
Sep 01 02:20:45 <Anivrom> no its ok
Sep 01 02:20:51 <Anivrom> Just gonna leave it for now
Sep 01 02:21:06 <torchie_pre> are you guys playing that game
Sep 01 02:21:06 <HattCzech> good, cuz i don't remember :)
Sep 01 02:21:16 <LoneStar99> howdy folks
Sep 01 02:21:21 <kesne> I just lost the game
Sep 01 02:21:23 <torchie_pre> of quite-ticked fowls
Sep 01 02:22:44 <Anivrom> kesne: had a chance to work on that minigame?
Sep 01 02:22:47 <Anivrom> :P
Sep 01 02:22:50 <kesne> Nope
Sep 01 02:23:00 * kesne has been frantic getting ready for school
Sep 01 02:23:10 <kesne> Driving test, reading, scheduling, etc
Sep 01 02:23:46 <LoneStar99> can you all access  --> http://urloid.com/
Sep 01 02:24:13 <LoneStar99> for some reason can't ssh to site...
Sep 01 02:28:02 <kesne> Yessir
Sep 01 02:28:06 <kesne> Looking dumb as ever
Sep 01 02:29:51 <oil> ns identify student1
Sep 01 02:29:56 <halfhalo> doncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me
Sep 01 02:30:08 <oil> lol
Sep 01 02:30:28 <kesne> halfhalo: Oh yes
Sep 01 02:30:32 <halfhalo> oh look, its mr can't do irc ssl
Sep 01 02:31:03 <oil> when did puffy join?
Sep 01 02:31:05 <Anivrom> "doncha wish your girlfriend was HAWTTTTT like me" - american idol contestant
Sep 01 02:31:11 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 01 02:31:11 <Anivrom> best version
Sep 01 02:31:39 <halfhalo> OMG I GOT AN IRC PING!
Sep 01 02:31:48 <halfhalo> Wait... that means its not being handled... crap
Sep 01 02:35:02 <halfhalo> my dropbox just showed the files... where did they go...
Sep 01 02:35:42 <oil> *cough* nda *cough*
Sep 01 02:35:51 <halfhalo> no, I meant my files
Sep 01 02:36:06 <halfhalo> Oh snap, I deleted them off the other computer didn't I
Sep 01 02:36:57 <CTLAdvance> some idiot deleted the sprint doctors today
Sep 01 02:37:04 <CTLAdvance> some savior restored them
Sep 01 02:39:43 <LoneStar99> ok cool, you all csn see the fish, finally got in
Sep 01 02:40:25 <CTLAdvance> what fish
Sep 01 02:40:49 <CTLAdvance> I see a duck but no fish
Sep 01 02:41:15 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance: where do u see a duck?
Sep 01 02:42:50 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 01 02:42:56 <halfhalo> im reading the ducks
Sep 01 02:43:23 <halfhalo> no one say anything
Sep 01 02:43:30 <LoneStar99> wow , say hello to the ducks
Sep 01 02:43:32 <Tibfib> hi everyone!
Sep 01 02:43:56 <LoneStar99> ...
Sep 01 02:44:14 <LoneStar99> zzz... zzz... zzz...
Sep 01 02:44:25 <Tibfib> goodbye everyone
Sep 01 02:44:33 <Tibfib> dropbox is syncing >.<
Sep 01 02:44:33 <Anivrom> shh he's almost gone
Sep 01 02:44:35 <LoneStar99> ...
Sep 01 02:44:50 <LoneStar99> nice nap
Sep 01 02:45:44 <halfhalo> there are no examples in the ducks of js mice
Sep 01 02:47:36 <Tibfib> ..sync my precious
Sep 01 02:48:06 <halfhalo> whats it syncing
Sep 01 02:48:18 <LoneStar99> O'Doul's ruls
Sep 01 02:48:26 <Tibfib> apparently my dropbox is downloading at 1.3 kbs per second
Sep 01 02:48:35 <LoneStar99> damn
Sep 01 02:49:58 <Tibfib> few, up to 12.7 kbs at least
Sep 01 02:50:10 <Tibfib> 283...lol
Sep 01 02:50:24 <halfhalo> 4
Sep 01 02:50:38 <halfhalo> MB/s that is
Sep 01 02:51:23 * Tibfib should probably close some apps
Sep 01 02:51:29 <CTLAdvance> is it live?
Sep 01 02:51:38 <CTLAdvance> I didnt see it a little while ago
Sep 01 02:51:44 <Tibfib> CTLAdvance: if you can get it to download
Sep 01 02:53:37 <CTLAdvance> dling now
Sep 01 02:53:48 <CTLAdvance> about 250kbs on this hotel connection
Sep 01 02:54:37 <CTLAdvance> wow
Sep 01 02:54:44 <CTLAdvance> palm pre oem batts for 3.49
Sep 01 02:54:46 <Tibfib> Holyyyyyyy crap this dude contacted me 4 different ways to beta test mojo messenger
Sep 01 02:54:58 <sugardave> persistent
Sep 01 02:55:18 <Tibfib> no kidding
Sep 01 02:55:37 <Anivrom> I feel bad for him when he finds out how BAD it is
Sep 01 02:55:37 * Tibfib wonders how Just Type will work
Sep 01 02:55:45 <Tibfib> hah
Sep 01 02:55:52 <Anivrom> :D
Sep 01 02:57:15 <Tibfib> who killed a folder...
Sep 01 02:57:50 <Tibfib> Arthur Thorton, thank you
Sep 01 02:58:09 <Tibfib> and Dave Freeman
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