**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 02 02:59:58 2010 Sep 02 03:05:46 anyone know why i would get a "connection refused" with winscp using the pdk login? Sep 02 03:05:58 it hates you Sep 02 03:06:13 i can see that :) Sep 02 03:08:11 att pre plus isn't 1.4.5 yet, is it? Sep 02 03:15:26 HattCzech: no, afaik Sep 02 03:17:10 f-uckin peeps... another 0 rating "would be nice if you could email" Sep 02 03:17:39 did not build an exchange server app, it is a text 2 voice app... Sep 02 03:28:49 anyone here on att? Sep 02 03:32:12 nicest police car ever: http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10004713-7.html?tag=mncol Sep 02 03:43:08 Does anyone here know much about USB mass storage implementations? Sep 02 03:50:16 negative --> try the freebsd channel, i know someone asked if hundreds of usb storage devices where supported in freebsd Sep 02 03:55:13 Thanks, #freebsd invite only? Sep 02 03:55:48 Evidently #freebsd is stuck in 1985 Sep 02 03:55:50 Error454: do not think so Sep 02 03:56:50 Error454: no invite, just registered Sep 02 04:39:10 agh, finally figured out the fixed layout for Emergency Lights Sep 02 04:39:26 * maik kicks something inanimate Sep 02 04:51:37 monkey Sep 02 05:04:51 is there a way to put a command button somewhere else? Sep 02 05:09:21 bueller? Sep 02 05:12:38 Hey Sep 02 05:12:47 Who is nodejs? Sep 02 05:12:59 * halfhalo whistles Sep 02 05:13:22 halfhalo: You? Sep 02 05:13:41 * halfhalo also forgot to remove that connect line to not spam the channel while testing Sep 02 05:14:10 wait... I needed it in here... dammit Sep 02 05:14:57 Is that nodejs a Node.js IRC client? Sep 02 05:15:06 sorta kinda Sep 02 05:15:11 Ohhhh Sep 02 05:15:13 Elaborate Sep 02 05:15:29 its an irc class for node that other stuff can use Sep 02 05:15:54 crafty Sep 02 05:16:02 i smell mobile botnet Sep 02 05:16:08 :p Sep 02 05:17:00 halfhalo: Work on The other thing :P Sep 02 05:17:10 bah Sep 02 05:17:25 but no really, is there a way to reposition a command button so it's at a given x,y ? Sep 02 05:17:40 no idea Sep 02 05:18:18 halfhalo: Why not use webos-test Sep 02 05:18:22 Er, #webos-test Sep 02 05:18:32 oh Sep 02 05:18:33 you are Sep 02 05:18:41 I am... I just am doing something with channel topics Sep 02 05:20:34 ah Sep 02 05:20:35 okay Sep 02 05:37:56 Good moring Sep 02 05:40:01 evening still Sep 02 05:40:21 Not here ;) Sep 02 05:42:16 "Palm inviting devs to a node.js meet-up by the Bay" <-- have just left CA :( Sep 02 05:42:29 awawwwww Sep 02 05:42:36 I want to go... but I have class Sep 02 05:42:55 impoertent class ? ;) Sep 02 05:43:06 yeah... Sep 02 05:43:16 and i have no money for hotel Sep 02 05:43:49 If it was not 13 hours in flight i would have gone to ca again Sep 02 05:47:55 can't they just fly us down? Sep 02 05:48:05 we #webOS members should get special treatment Sep 02 05:48:19 Yes, or some of the ticket paid :) Sep 02 05:48:23 I know, right? Sep 02 05:48:29 We help bring apps to there platform Sep 02 05:48:43 pay for the hotel, I'll drive up Sep 02 05:48:47 yes, important, useful apps Sep 02 05:48:49 like Emergency Lights Sep 02 06:00:23 is there a way to style an element like a command menu button? like you can with a regular button? Sep 02 06:02:53 I don't understand your Q? Sep 02 06:03:12 Like color? Shape? Sep 02 06:03:26 shape Sep 02 06:03:40 like how you can do
Sep 02 06:04:08 but i want a little circular button with a custom image Sep 02 06:05:26 images is no problem Sep 02 06:05:44 omg... server died Sep 02 06:05:53 regi Sep 02 06:05:55 rehi Sep 02 06:06:13 maik have you looked at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1638 ? Sep 02 06:07:07 ya, except i need arbitrary placement of said button Sep 02 06:08:40 position: fixed; Sep 02 06:08:49 top: abitrary y value; Sep 02 06:08:55 left: arbitrary x value; Sep 02 06:09:05 background-color: #color; Sep 02 06:09:17 of what? Sep 02 06:09:20 border-radius: whatever; Sep 02 06:09:26 width: also whatever; Sep 02 06:09:31 height: also whatever; Sep 02 06:09:42 I just gave you a circular button Sep 02 06:09:51 whatever is the diameter Sep 02 06:09:56 oh goodness Sep 02 06:09:57 and the border radius should be half that Sep 02 06:10:00 :D Sep 02 06:10:06 hello everyone. this is my first time on the irc channel if i do something wrong let me knwo Sep 02 06:10:16 adoss89: you've already lost The Game Sep 02 06:10:26 adoss89 welcome Sep 02 06:10:29 just curious if anyone is interested in the psgroove ps3 jailbreak and porting it to the pre Sep 02 06:10:53 adoss89: doing what now? Sep 02 06:10:57 http://www.ps3hax.net/2010/08/psgroove-open-source-psjailbreak-code-released/ Sep 02 06:11:11 wel no, i've seen that Sep 02 06:11:26 what exaclty would be porting it to the Pre do? Sep 02 06:11:51 oh so i can connect my pre to my ps3 to jailbreak it Sep 02 06:12:22 i dont know the technical side but it requires a programmable usb key as of now Sep 02 06:12:32 adoss89 but it looks like you need some hardware besuide an usb stick? Sep 02 06:12:48 it relies quite heavily on a very specific type of USB board Sep 02 06:12:50 "All you need is either a Teensy++ USB Development Board or AT90USBKEY, and follow" Sep 02 06:13:00 AT90*** something or other Sep 02 06:13:05 ya, that Sep 02 06:13:16 but the ideer is cool :) Sep 02 06:13:24 indeed Sep 02 06:13:35 ya i dont know if port is the right term then but people are apparently working on being able to use ti-85 calculator and psp board to do it Sep 02 06:14:04 aha Sep 02 06:14:09 oh i see Sep 02 06:14:14 hotdp: look further down at the updates Sep 02 06:14:41 maik i see Sep 02 06:14:50 adoss89 then it should be possible Sep 02 06:14:52 adoss89: i don't have a PS3, but let me look and see what i can come up with Sep 02 06:14:59 i have an ps3 Sep 02 06:15:03 you're my hero Sep 02 06:15:04 collecting dust Sep 02 06:15:37 lol it looks easy Sep 02 06:15:56 but i don't have an user for the board so can not download Sep 02 06:16:29 "Various ports of PSP/iPhone/Android/Calculators are being worked upon, no time on when they will be ready. " Sep 02 06:16:39 We are in a race guys! Sep 02 06:17:15 I KNOW! Sep 02 06:19:03 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204617/why_webos_20_should_have_rivals_worried.html?tk=hp_new Sep 02 06:19:40 alexfner looking god.. Sep 02 06:20:39 hotdp looking god? Sep 02 06:20:49 article Sep 02 06:20:52 yep webos looks like god now Sep 02 06:24:12 maik did you download the ps3 stuff? Sep 02 06:27:52 i didn't Sep 02 06:28:12 looks too advanced for me, actually Sep 02 06:28:33 i'm going to bed. if he comes back let him know i'm too much of a n00b :D Sep 02 06:31:17 blarg Sep 02 06:31:20 I hate server issues Sep 02 06:31:27 haha Sep 02 06:40:40 shweeeeeet Sep 02 06:40:51 ITS ALIVE!!!! Sep 02 06:51:46 What's working? Sep 02 06:54:52 i think his server`? Sep 02 07:10:18 How does a "link" look if i would like to send the user direct to the app catalouge and to a specific app? Sep 02 07:13:53 Hey all. Sep 02 07:14:22 hey Gu1l7y_work Sep 02 07:25:44 morning Sep 02 07:27:19 It's my afternoon. Right back atcha' though. Sep 02 07:27:34 (I work graveyard) Sep 02 07:31:14 i work in the morning :) Sep 02 07:34:50 goodmorning swisstomcat Sep 02 07:35:10 morning hotdp Sep 02 07:35:50 What do you do? Sep 02 08:05:19 someone who knows http://www.mobango.com/ ? Sep 02 08:05:26 i have just recived an email from them Sep 02 08:06:20 never heard of them Sep 02 08:06:56 "Sorry there are no Applications for your Palm Pre" Sep 02 08:07:21 maybe thats why they write to me? Sep 02 08:07:24 they know my apps Sep 02 08:19:29 "We noticed that you publish and distribute fantastic applications for mobile devices which is generating a lot of interest from mobile users." <-- thats me :P Sep 02 08:19:31 haha Sep 02 09:11:59 Has anybody seen the 2010 iPod Nano? Its the most ludacris thing I've ever seen. Basically a 2"x2" touchscreen... Sep 02 10:56:15 re Sep 02 11:15:58 hotdp: looks like you've got yourself an employer :) Sep 02 11:16:10 hmm? Sep 02 11:16:34 swisstomcat: the mobango.com thing Sep 02 11:16:42 ah :) Sep 02 11:16:57 i should have the prices for postage tonight Sep 02 11:17:08 swisstomcat: great! Sep 02 11:36:11 swisstomcat prices? Sep 02 11:36:28 to send a pre to belgium Sep 02 11:36:43 Are you selling one? Sep 02 11:36:52 or yours? Sep 02 11:37:50 one of mine, yeah Sep 02 11:38:01 oki :) Sep 02 11:38:09 did you get my private messagE? Sep 02 11:39:42 which one? Sep 02 11:39:52 both :P Sep 02 11:40:05 About getting a image to stick in the bottom Sep 02 11:40:11 outside a scrooller Sep 02 11:40:39 hmm Sep 02 11:41:19 i have some stuff and a list in a scroller Sep 02 11:41:35 under this i have a image should be "stuck" to the bottom on the screen Sep 02 11:41:45 lige in webos roundup app Sep 02 11:41:48 like* Sep 02 11:46:45 hmm Sep 02 11:46:49 how do you have it now? Sep 02 11:47:32 morning Sep 02 11:47:55 morning bhodder Sep 02 11:48:07 Its just under the last element Sep 02 11:48:16 the image, and i want it to stick to the bottom Sep 02 11:48:57 but it's outside of the scroller? Sep 02 11:59:37 how can I disable some options in a palm-list widget ? Sep 02 12:05:26 what options? Sep 02 12:34:23 swisstomcat yes it is outside Sep 02 12:34:35 i just wonna know have i can place it så it sticks to the bottom Sep 02 12:34:38 but it still scrolls? Sep 02 12:34:45 hotdp: ask roy-pre101 .. he wrote it Sep 02 12:36:23 Those of you guys using the 2.0 SDK and Komodo... how broken is the addon? Sep 02 12:36:47 ok i ask roy-pre101 Sep 02 12:42:32 Is Chuqi on? Sep 02 12:46:17 didn't see him ye Sep 02 12:46:17 t Sep 02 12:46:40 way too early for chuq Sep 02 12:46:44 oh ok Sep 02 12:49:29 He is also busy giving people access to 2.0 :P Sep 02 12:49:30 Adora: What are you doing up at this hour? Sep 02 12:49:48 hating excel Sep 02 12:49:51 what else? =] Sep 02 12:49:57 adora! Sep 02 12:50:01 LTNS Sep 02 12:50:06 lol thats what I'm waiting for :P Sep 02 12:50:12 swisstomcat! Sep 02 12:50:26 * swisstomcat runs over to adora and gives her a catrub Sep 02 12:50:34 =] Sep 02 12:50:51 they make you use excel at hp? gah Sep 02 12:51:29 swisstomcat, Roy-Pre101 will help me :) Sep 02 12:51:30 if anyone's apps get delayed or forgotten this week, it's my personal fault Sep 02 12:51:32 just sayin Sep 02 12:51:41 hotdp: nice Sep 02 12:51:48 or submissions screwed up in any way Sep 02 12:51:52 I take full responsibility Sep 02 12:51:53 OK.... so, to make a footer. Sep 02 12:52:04 don't tell me you manage app submission in excel?!?! Sep 02 12:52:25 oh, this ought to be good. Sep 02 12:52:39 * Adora doesn't tell swisstomcat that I manage app submission in excel Sep 02 12:53:02 * swisstomcat loses faith in humanity Sep 02 12:53:08 lol Sep 02 12:53:13 looses? Sep 02 12:53:18 loses Sep 02 12:53:27 we just use it for some reporting stuff Sep 02 12:53:35 footer yes? Sep 02 12:53:51 and by we, I mean "usually somone else" Sep 02 12:54:02 minions? Sep 02 12:54:37 hotdp: So, you need to add a footer and footer-wrap div. The footer will be position: fixed; bottom: 0px; left: 0px, right: 0px; height: whatever Sep 02 12:55:01 aha Sep 02 12:55:17 The footer wrapper will be height: same whatever Sep 02 12:56:10 In your scene, you have an outside div. Sep 02 12:56:54 in non-valid syntax:
Sep 02 12:57:16 Forgot to close
just before footerwrap> Sep 02 12:57:26 stupid q Sep 02 12:57:32 should i write wrap Sep 02 12:57:39 or is it just divs Sep 02 12:58:09 just divs, wrap is what I called the class. Sep 02 12:58:17 roger Sep 02 13:03:03 and what more? Sep 02 13:05:54 hmm Sep 02 13:06:01 i am close i see Sep 02 13:06:51 it works Sep 02 13:06:55 thanks :) Sep 02 13:07:08 add it to webos101.com Sep 02 13:09:48 buuuut Sep 02 13:10:01 the list goes a little under the image? Sep 02 13:10:52 maybe the height Sep 02 13:12:23 no that does not help Sep 02 13:12:27 thats strange Sep 02 13:12:35 it is outside the other div? Sep 02 13:14:37 i don't get it.. Sep 02 13:16:21 morning Anivrom|pre Sep 02 13:16:24 got it now :) Sep 02 13:16:24 wIRC is alot better than chatzilla Sep 02 13:16:28 Jus sayin Sep 02 13:16:58 * Anivrom|pre tips hat to bhodder Sep 02 13:17:56 wirc rocks .. just saying Sep 02 13:18:19 agreed Sep 02 13:20:28 Ok so I wanna make my list unreorderable when its empty and orderable when its got actual items. Reason being I populate it with 1 item that says "you have no items" when its 'empty'. Is this possible? Sep 02 13:21:30 I'm under the impression its an attribute, which can't be changed once the widget is setup Sep 02 13:21:45 * Anivrom|pre looks at sugardave Sep 02 13:22:21 attributes can't be changed, correct Sep 02 13:23:21 Roy-Pre101 the footer is NOT happy when it goes to landscape`? Sep 02 13:27:41 $("myList").disabled = true; will with diable events but still render the list and allow it to me moved? (via .left property) Sep 02 13:27:54 I'm not at home so I can't test Sep 02 13:33:00 Haeffb_pre: $("myList").disabled = true; will with diable events but still render the list and allow it to me moved? (via .left property) Sep 02 13:33:48 sounds good Sep 02 13:34:00 It doesn't seem to disable anything though Sep 02 13:37:48 hey swisstomcat, got my phone yesterday Sep 02 13:37:54 someone who can help me getting this footer to work Sep 02 13:38:08 so thank you very much for the info :) Sep 02 13:38:11 hattczech: from where? Sep 02 13:38:21 from that e-mail you sent me Sep 02 13:38:24 (palm) Sep 02 13:38:32 oh .. nice Sep 02 13:38:45 now you have dev device too Sep 02 13:39:04 indeed :) Sep 02 13:39:35 although it doesn't even have 1.4.5 on it :/ Sep 02 13:39:56 at&t? Sep 02 13:39:56 and i'd like to put something newer on there :) Sep 02 13:40:14 * Anivrom|pre wants a dev device! Sep 02 13:40:40 yup, at&t Sep 02 13:42:47 Ok so it appears disabled is a property of the list model, not the html element. So can I say this.inventorySnacksListModel={disabled:true}; or will that erase my other model properties like I think it will. Sep 02 13:44:15 model.disabled = true Sep 02 13:45:26 InventorySnacksListModel.disabled = true; lolright. Duh Sep 02 13:45:47 Oop fail Sep 02 13:45:47 * hotdp could use some Snacks Sep 02 13:49:25 Bmyers! Sep 02 13:49:41 hey haeffb_pre hows it going? Sep 02 13:50:18 great. sitting in a video conf this am Sep 02 13:51:23 cool. those are handy when you dont really want to work Sep 02 13:51:32 waiting for Palm to announce a new device Sep 02 13:51:53 waffling on picking up an epic Sep 02 13:52:00 i'm getting the epic. Sep 02 13:52:05 been waiting too long for a new device. Sep 02 13:52:39 let me know what you think of it Sep 02 13:53:08 my bud has an evo and loves it, another has teh Galaxy S T-mobile version and loves it. Sep 02 13:53:25 my wife has the Intercept and loves it. Sep 02 13:53:41 it feels like android is destined to be It. Sep 02 13:56:40 I like my EVO. it's an awesome device Sep 02 13:56:40 haeffb_pre: with model.disabled = true would I need to modelChanged after? Sep 02 13:56:49 Assuming yes Sep 02 13:56:53 yes Sep 02 13:57:13 Bmyers: don't miss webos? Sep 02 13:57:49 some things perhaps. just cant think of one right now.. Sep 02 13:58:01 ease of programming maybe.. Sep 02 13:58:07 but the evo it stupid fast Sep 02 13:58:16 notifications? Sep 02 13:58:30 pretty decent really. they come in at the top Sep 02 13:58:35 are you in early access? Sep 02 13:58:49 small bar that slides down to reveal notifications.. Sep 02 13:58:56 me? early access? yes.. Sep 02 13:58:59 who has the eov Sep 02 13:59:10 <-- Dr.EVOl Sep 02 13:59:15 lol Sep 02 13:59:30 all my machines have a james bond theme Sep 02 14:00:00 nice Sep 02 14:00:05 is there a rumored 2.0 webos device? Sep 02 14:00:14 tablet perhaps? Sep 02 14:00:36 yes but nothing official yet Sep 02 14:00:40 you know. come to think of it i like the notifications on the evo better Sep 02 14:01:03 they dont affect the screen size and I can see many more notifications from apps Sep 02 14:01:20 nice Sep 02 14:01:31 and it's stupid fast... Sep 02 14:01:39 It would be hard to leave webos though Sep 02 14:01:46 i dont even have froyo 2.2 which i hear is a perf. boost Sep 02 14:01:56 i like webos.. dont get me wrong Sep 02 14:02:12 i'm not really looking forward to learning a new prg lang for android. Sep 02 14:02:25 I have looked at the galixy s and liked it Sep 02 14:02:30 that is true Sep 02 14:02:31 have your tried appcelerator? Sep 02 14:02:35 or phonegap? Sep 02 14:02:42 i might just go that route Sep 02 14:02:57 swisstomcat: yes. that would be good but again. gotta learn how to use it Sep 02 14:03:31 it's javascript/html/css Sep 02 14:03:36 phonegap is mostly JS/CSS etc.. but you loose the mojo.stuff and learn their device api's Sep 02 14:03:37 both of them Sep 02 14:04:04 i was able to reuse a lot of stuff Sep 02 14:04:06 swisstomcat: have you tried stripping out mojo and dropping it into phonegap/whatever? Sep 02 14:04:14 not yet Sep 02 14:04:26 did u basically start over again then? Sep 02 14:04:30 i tried a new app without mojo Sep 02 14:04:35 for phonegap Sep 02 14:04:35 ah Sep 02 14:04:50 and i tried to convert an existing app with appcelerator Sep 02 14:04:55 you basically replace the mojo calls with TI calls Sep 02 14:05:04 e.g mojo-list -> TI.tableview Sep 02 14:05:15 hmm.. Sep 02 14:05:16 and prototype ajax -> TI.network Sep 02 14:05:19 BBL Sep 02 14:05:23 got the url handy? Sep 02 14:05:33 appcelerator.com i think? Sep 02 14:05:37 thx Sep 02 14:05:38 Hey guys what is the current best app for google voice on webos? Sep 02 14:05:45 i needed more time to setup the android SDK :) Sep 02 14:06:11 than to get my app up and running (barebone) Sep 02 14:06:12 well dont take your time swisstomcat 2.2 is out everywhere now Sep 02 14:06:48 android sdk updates happen more often than iphone or webos Sep 02 14:07:23 really? Sep 02 14:07:52 really.. Sep 02 14:08:16 swisstomcat: do you have the professional or enterprise titanium account? Sep 02 14:08:43 not yet Sep 02 14:08:47 just the normal one Sep 02 14:09:25 normal as in not $200 a month? Sep 02 14:10:03 yeah .. as in free Sep 02 14:10:54 nice, do they have an emulator if you do not have a device Sep 02 14:12:27 you use the emulator that comes with the android sdk Sep 02 14:12:44 oh ok awesome Sep 02 14:13:09 is there a good replacement for gdial? Sep 02 14:13:18 just installed it Sep 02 14:13:45 Bmyers, just installed gDial? Sep 02 14:14:32 not. titanium Sep 02 14:15:16 i use htc evo and guess what? there is pretty good google-voice support ;) Sep 02 14:15:33 the voice transcripts are pretty funny sometimes tho Sep 02 14:16:58 yeah I imagine android has a great voice app Sep 02 14:17:13 just need to find something for my pre Sep 02 14:18:54 I'm in the same bout brontos Sep 02 14:21:16 It don't matter what comes out for other os's. I'm sticking with webos Sep 02 14:21:32 Just hope their next device can compete Sep 02 14:22:35 I hope webos 2.0 works fine on my original pre Sep 02 14:25:00 I think Im with you Anivrom|pre Sep 02 14:26:07 I'm not one to jump ship quickly Sep 02 14:26:53 are you guys gonna start throwing rotten produce at me for learning android sdk? Sep 02 14:27:18 nah not that mean Sep 02 14:27:26 no i'll throw dollar bills Sep 02 14:28:03 I'm still learning webos Sep 02 14:28:24 if i can use html/css/js on any platform, i'm fine Sep 02 14:28:36 don't want to learn java or c or whatever Sep 02 14:29:04 they are not that bad Sep 02 14:29:06 and since every platform (well, except WP7) has a great browser Sep 02 14:29:17 I wouldn't mind learning other sdk's for money sake. But personally I believe in webos so ill continue to use it and push it Sep 02 14:29:35 Anivrom|pre, what is the difference between stage-assistant and first-assistant? Sep 02 14:30:36 stage-assistant sets the stage for the scenes .. first-assistant is first scene's assistant Sep 02 14:32:36 What he said. Google it to find out some cool things you can do with the scene assistant specifically Sep 02 14:32:44 ohh ok Sep 02 14:33:17 Different ags such as orientation locking Sep 02 14:33:22 Args* Sep 02 14:33:34 stage-assistant also calls the first scene Sep 02 14:34:09 When you are setting up widgets and that, like a button, are you suppose to do that in stage-assistant of first-assistant? Sep 02 14:34:52 First Sep 02 14:35:24 stink Sep 02 14:36:13 screwed that up then Sep 02 14:36:23 Simple analogy. Think of stage as firefox and scenes as tabs within firefox Sep 02 14:36:35 are you using komodo? Sep 02 14:36:42 got it that makes sense Sep 02 14:37:21 You build webpages that run within firefox, and you can change firefox settings to make it run/behave in ertain ways Sep 02 14:38:35 right Sep 02 14:39:45 * sugardave grabs popcorn to watch as the Ares guy tries to explain scene lifecycles. Sep 02 14:40:02 There is 1 step higher than stage though. Its called app assistant, which in our analogy would make several windows of firefox communitcate with each other and act as 1 large app Sep 02 14:40:05 good comparison Sep 02 14:40:12 * halfhalo steals some popcorn from sugardave Sep 02 14:40:38 Ares or not concepts are the same Sep 02 14:40:55 Ares just packages and represents them differently Sep 02 14:41:03 mmm, butter and salt Sep 02 14:41:13 that is true Sep 02 14:41:31 whoa, HP bids 2.4bill for 3par Sep 02 14:41:31 Theatre style yum Sep 02 14:41:37 * halfhalo gives sugardave an ice cold coke in exchange for the popcorn Sep 02 14:41:43 denied Sep 02 14:41:58 I only accept Dr. Pepepr Sep 02 14:42:03 Dr. Pepper, even Sep 02 14:42:54 weewt Sep 02 14:43:04 IRC base class is complete enough to start using Sep 02 14:43:13 do it Sep 02 14:43:20 I am Sep 02 14:43:30 some stuff still isn't working, but whatevs Sep 02 14:43:49 instantiating happens in stage-assistant correct? Sep 02 14:43:51 Early and often is my motto Sep 02 14:45:38 bill early and often is my motto... Sep 02 14:46:45 mornin' lonestar Sep 02 14:47:25 just need 004, 005, 252, 254, and 352 right now. Well, those are the only ones I can see that are not being parsed Sep 02 14:47:40 bbiab Sep 02 14:50:31 anyone going to that node.js meetup? Sep 02 14:50:45 not me :( Sep 02 14:51:16 I want to go but it's on a tuesday :( Sep 02 14:51:23 I'm hungry Sep 02 14:51:57 morning all Sep 02 14:52:15 gonna eat a biscuit with cheese and ham Sep 02 14:52:23 morning LoneStar99 Sep 02 14:52:38 morng bhodder Sep 02 14:53:48 * Anivrom|pre just ate a brownie yum Sep 02 14:54:12 Gonna work on this passion flakie next Sep 02 14:54:26 nice, had a bunch of cookies last night! Sep 02 14:54:53 i would like to go, but the flight is too expensive ;) Sep 02 14:55:01 planning to go to jsconf.eu tho Sep 02 14:55:08 And now I'm opening my 2nd energy drink, man I eat alot of junk foos Sep 02 14:55:16 Food too on occasion Sep 02 14:56:21 Which energy drink? Sep 02 15:00:13 anyone know the best (free?) way to get an unlock code for a gsm pre plus? Sep 02 15:03:01 HattCzech_work: Do you own a gun? Sep 02 15:03:28 a legal way would be preferred :) Sep 02 15:03:35 leave my dropbox alone!!! Sep 02 15:03:51 I'm going to beat Frazer MacLean to death Sep 02 15:04:11 wrong channel? Sep 02 15:04:16 HattCzech_work: I tried :( Sep 02 15:04:18 frazer maclean? Sep 02 15:04:34 you know, that humorous fellow who likes cheese Sep 02 15:05:00 His name keeps popping up in my dropbox notices...because he has embedded his name in some files Sep 02 15:05:09 and they keep getting removed and re-added Sep 02 15:05:45 sugardave: do you own a gun? Sep 02 15:05:47 :) Sep 02 15:05:51 hahaha Sep 02 15:05:53 hahaha Sep 02 15:05:58 in fact, I do have a couple of firearms Sep 02 15:06:10 (he does live in texas) Sep 02 15:06:16 damn staight Sep 02 15:06:19 straight Sep 02 15:06:22 damn Sep 02 15:06:26 i, on the other hard, do not Sep 02 15:06:36 and also live in the "ghetto lite" Sep 02 15:06:58 yeah, I recommend you get some personal protection Sep 02 15:07:12 probably a good idea Sep 02 15:07:17 firearms are awesome Sep 02 15:07:22 what was the node.js meetup as mentioned earlier? Sep 02 15:07:47 I've got the bat by the door, the shottie in the bedroom and the pistol under the bedside table Sep 02 15:07:55 AS IT SHOULD BE! Sep 02 15:07:55 come get some Sep 02 15:08:10 nice sugardave Sep 02 15:08:39 wow Sep 02 15:08:44 gun-crazy? Sep 02 15:08:45 HattCzech_work: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=150227881667731 Sep 02 15:08:55 dohtem beat me to it Sep 02 15:08:57 that's hardly gun crazy Sep 02 15:09:00 swisstomcat: you should see my brother-in-law's "collection" Sep 02 15:09:02 I'm trying to find a clip for my grandfathers ww2 lee-enfield 303 rifle. Elusive buggers Sep 02 15:09:05 more like armory Sep 02 15:09:14 i don't own any guns Sep 02 15:09:20 wait Sep 02 15:09:26 I thought you all HAD to own guns Sep 02 15:09:32 i have a 7mm -08 hunting rifle Sep 02 15:09:32 i gave it back Sep 02 15:09:35 swisstomcat: so you're anti-gun crazy? Sep 02 15:09:54 gave what back to whom? Sep 02 15:09:57 i don't see why you should have a deadly force in your huse Sep 02 15:10:04 the military gave me one during my service Sep 02 15:10:09 ah Sep 02 15:10:14 i gave it back when i went out of military service Sep 02 15:10:19 i /am/ a deadly force Sep 02 15:10:20 * maik flex Sep 02 15:10:22 swisstomcat: tell that to the bastards that like going around doing home invasions Sep 02 15:10:30 lol Sep 02 15:10:32 I don't feel they shouldhave deadly force in my home either Sep 02 15:10:47 Alem Sep 02 15:10:49 they do home invasions using guns? Sep 02 15:10:50 Amen too Sep 02 15:11:00 you'd be stupid not to Sep 02 15:11:01 swisstomcat: you bet your ass Sep 02 15:11:05 especially at swisstomcat's house Sep 02 15:11:05 I support the right to bear arms Sep 02 15:11:06 why? Sep 02 15:11:07 swisstomcat: it's like the wild west out here Sep 02 15:11:16 I support the right to arm bears. Sep 02 15:11:17 because everyone has a gun at home, isn't it so? Sep 02 15:11:25 Unfortunately in canader they make it a little harder to do so Sep 02 15:11:27 sure, i support the right to bear arms Sep 02 15:11:31 if you want to Sep 02 15:11:45 remember kids, it's a right, not a goal Sep 02 15:11:47 Maik: bears have enough arms Sep 02 15:11:55 bears also have bear arms Sep 02 15:11:57 maik: bears...number one threat Sep 02 15:12:04 if no one had a gun at home, home invasioners wouldn't have a gun Sep 02 15:12:10 hahahahahahahahhahaha Sep 02 15:12:13 swisstomcat: that 's false Sep 02 15:12:18 let's ask Australia how that's working for them Sep 02 15:12:20 is it? Sep 02 15:12:21 Ya really. Its the reason my grandpa has a 4 10 handy Sep 02 15:12:28 why is that? Sep 02 15:12:34 Australia banned guns, they have NO gun crimes! Sep 02 15:12:38 why do they need a gun? Sep 02 15:12:39 the police don't even get guns Sep 02 15:12:46 swisstomcat: the thug is going to carry a gun if he can get it Sep 02 15:12:47 so do you know who does? the fucking criminals Sep 02 15:13:01 but why? Sep 02 15:13:06 why do they have guns? Sep 02 15:13:08 why what? Sep 02 15:13:24 criminals have guns to either commit violent acts or appear intimidating Sep 02 15:13:29 Its impossible to stop the smuggling of firearms in the country Sep 02 15:13:41 we can't even keep people out Sep 02 15:14:24 I bet rwhitby has 10 illegal firearms under his pillow alone! Sep 02 15:14:35 how high are the changes that you are being shot by a home intruder? Sep 02 15:14:44 does the home intruder have a gun? Sep 02 15:14:54 apparently they do Sep 02 15:14:59 because the home owner has one too Sep 02 15:14:59 Not very high if you have a gun handy :) Sep 02 15:15:02 are you trying to be a stupid hero? Sep 02 15:15:05 too many variables...are they methed/cracked out? Sep 02 15:15:16 if you're trying to be a stupid hero, your chances are a lot higher Sep 02 15:15:29 so why have a gun? Sep 02 15:15:36 but, what if said home-invader-with-gun is on some crazy drug trip and is going to shoot you anyways? Sep 02 15:15:37 Ugh Sep 02 15:15:39 to die as a stupid hero? Sep 02 15:15:50 when i move back to san diego, i will eventually buy some sort of gun, probably a 50 caliber sniper rifle Sep 02 15:15:54 swisstomcat: because if someone busts into my house with a gun, and i have a gun, you're sure as shit bet i'm going to defend my family to the best of my ability Sep 02 15:16:01 Target range insures you don't die as a stupid hero :P Sep 02 15:16:01 if someone is shooting at me, I'd like to have the opportunity to return the favor Sep 02 15:16:04 even if that means getting shot trying to be a stupid hero Sep 02 15:16:09 yeah, but if he's on said drug-trip he doesn't care if you have a gun or not? Sep 02 15:16:19 so he's going to shoot you anyways Sep 02 15:16:42 and your chances of shooting him first go up infinitely if you also have a gun Sep 02 15:16:42 knives are better for close combat from what i hear Sep 02 15:16:55 jk, about the 50 cal, just a civilized firearm Sep 02 15:17:41 swisstomcat: I respect your position...but do you have constant news stories about groups of 3-4 guys driving around KIDNAPPING 16 year old girls on their way to school? Sep 02 15:17:42 note that i'm not saying you shouldn't have the right to have a gun Sep 02 15:17:48 I hear that story about 3 times A WEEK around here Sep 02 15:17:48 i just question if you do Sep 02 15:17:55 i carry a knife on person all the time, --> have even passed through airport security with my knife in backpack Sep 02 15:18:03 sugardave: no, we don't have that here Sep 02 15:18:12 yeah, so you have a different reality Sep 02 15:18:32 come live in a large Texas city sometime, you might change your mind on wanting a gun for protection Sep 02 15:18:37 so 16 year old ones are going have a gun too? Sep 02 15:18:59 in the US any civilized person should have atleast a shotgun Sep 02 15:19:03 and then the guys trying to kidnap her too? Sep 02 15:19:04 especially in certain areas Sep 02 15:19:14 I'm gicing you another example of "how fucked up people are here"...if she had a gun, she might have been able to stop the attack, yes Sep 02 15:19:26 by shooting them? Sep 02 15:19:32 IN THE NUTS Sep 02 15:19:38 what if they have a gun too? Sep 02 15:19:40 i agree with sugardave.. to many kid-napping heer Sep 02 15:19:41 here Sep 02 15:19:42 she dies? Sep 02 15:19:58 or she gives up, raped and possibly killed Sep 02 15:19:58 instead of getting kidnapped? Sep 02 15:20:18 so, I guess if you're the defeatist type, it's better to not have a gun Sep 02 15:20:20 i just don't see where this should lead too Sep 02 15:20:23 everyone having a gun? Sep 02 15:20:26 you don't know what's going to happen AFTER she's kidnapped Sep 02 15:20:34 kids shooting each other Sep 02 15:20:40 that already happens Sep 02 15:20:46 gunfights on the streets Sep 02 15:20:49 in san diego some girls where kidnapped and killed by the same asshole, Sep 02 15:20:55 then again, i'm not sure if a 16 year old should have a weapon Sep 02 15:21:10 i think, they should Sep 02 15:21:17 thugs carry guns at 13 Sep 02 15:21:27 LoneStar99: valid point :/ Sep 02 15:21:41 swisstomcat: and what about the border towns? Mexican drug cartels are basically waging war in our state..killing our citizens, etc....maybe it would be nice if the citizenry were able to fight back in some meaningful way Sep 02 15:22:21 police and military? Sep 02 15:22:34 they're doing SUCH a good job so far Sep 02 15:22:39 of not doing anything Sep 02 15:23:01 i don't know the situation there Sep 02 15:23:05 it's bad Sep 02 15:23:08 at the end everyone has a gun Sep 02 15:23:11 and then? Sep 02 15:23:25 thugs are going to get bigger guns? Sep 02 15:23:26 and then only the stupid invade homes Sep 02 15:23:32 and we clean up the gene pool a bit Sep 02 15:23:54 i was talking about the border towns Sep 02 15:24:09 thugs getting armored cars? Sep 02 15:24:12 tanks? Sep 02 15:24:15 bombs? Sep 02 15:24:18 done already Sep 02 15:24:28 citizens getting that too to defend themselves? bazookas? Sep 02 15:24:34 where does it end? Sep 02 15:24:53 man, I'd love a bazooka Sep 02 15:25:26 swisstomcat: unfortunately, you'll NEVER see a future without guns Sep 02 15:25:33 you are going to have to deal with that Sep 02 15:25:56 maybe with less guns .. would be a start Sep 02 15:26:00 apparently that's not happening Sep 02 15:26:25 and then what do we get rid of next, no knives? Sep 02 15:26:28 no clubs? Sep 02 15:26:31 i'm just questioning the outcome of everyone "weaponing" up Sep 02 15:26:34 where does it end? Sep 02 15:26:46 i didn't say NONE Sep 02 15:26:51 the weak resign themselves to getting taken advantage of, beaten/killed, loss of property Sep 02 15:27:06 okay so WHO gets to have guns, then? Sep 02 15:27:13 state Sep 02 15:27:17 once in austin, in a nice apartment complex on a sunday, got held-up at gun point by some smelly black man Sep 02 15:27:25 authority Sep 02 15:27:48 wow Sep 02 15:27:54 Rehi Sep 02 15:27:57 oh you mean the officers of law enforcement who, I shit you not, cannot score very high on the IQ/intelligence tests when they apply for the position? Sep 02 15:28:01 i'm just questioning the end outcome of everyone "weaponing" up Sep 02 15:28:11 where does it end? everyone has a personal nuke? Sep 02 15:28:12 if they score too high, they can't be police officers Sep 02 15:28:26 for about a week, could not watch anything with "thug" looking blacks... Sep 02 15:29:02 because if it's one thing we DON'T want is a smart police officer Sep 02 15:29:08 apparently Sep 02 15:29:47 (05:25:33 PM) swisstomcat: i'm just questioning the end outcome of everyone "weaponing" up Sep 02 15:29:47 (05:25:45 PM) swisstomcat: where does it end? everyone has a personal nuke? Sep 02 15:29:54 what do you think? Sep 02 15:30:15 I think personal nukes are a far cry from a lead slug Sep 02 15:31:35 bbl Sep 02 15:31:48 swisstomcat: plus, that's not going to happen...there are plenty of people in this country and all over the world (I'm sure) who find any aspect of personal self-defense distasteful Sep 02 15:31:51 dammit Sep 02 15:31:54 sugardave: not true. Kim jong il gave everyone in his party little personalized nukes for christmas, of course they were timed to explode shortly after, but that's not the point Sep 02 15:32:51 I'm really just saving my guns for when we've finally capitulated enough that sharia is seriously on the table Sep 02 15:32:57 That guy is one crazu jokester! Sep 02 15:32:58 and then it's on Sep 02 15:33:34 sugardave: you hold a very conservative world view, and I like it Sep 02 15:34:14 I'm really pretty liberal about a lot of things, but not guns or finances Sep 02 15:34:35 I can't believe they are even entertaining the thought of sha ria law in the states Sep 02 15:35:50 well, I'm not aware of any specific instances, but I can see it happening eventually if we don't get our political leeches back to their hovels and get some new ones in that have some balls Sep 02 15:36:45 I am expecting obama to pass a law that nullifies theright to bear arms. There is already hints amd evidences that its his eventual intention Sep 02 15:37:11 i think he would have if the Supremes hadn't weighed in. Sep 02 15:37:21 sugardave: although I can't give you specific evidence I know they are trying Sep 02 15:37:24 congress can't make such a law now without directly defying their ruling. Sep 02 15:37:31 Anivrom|pre: they _were_ Sep 02 15:37:40 from what i've seen all of those efforts went dead after the ruling. Sep 02 15:38:33 Heh, has anyone heard the statements from the emam of the ground zero mosque that weren't supposed to be recorded? Sep 02 15:38:41 no Sep 02 15:38:48 link? Sep 02 15:39:29 Saying that obama is just a player and that he is glad for the world trade centre because it put islam in the limelight in north america Sep 02 15:39:39 Let me see if I can find one. Sep 02 15:40:15 I heard it on one of aclj's broadcasts Sep 02 15:40:25 Don't know if there is a direct link Sep 02 15:45:28 damn chrome browser has already been out 2 years... Sep 02 15:45:33 Can't watch cause of flash player so I don't know content but it might be interesting to watch Sep 02 15:45:37 http://blog.eyeblast.tv/2010/08/ground-zero-mosque-imam-in-2006-u-s-terrorism-fostered-islamic-terrorism/ Sep 02 15:45:44 cu Sep 02 15:46:42 laters hotdp Sep 02 15:48:00 LoneStar99 said cu to swiss :D Sep 02 15:48:44 i totally agree, the US foreign policies totally aided in the 911 attacks, Bin laden hated the US having bases in his home land of Saudi Arabia Sep 02 15:48:46 sugardave: check out aclj links http://www.google.com/m/search?mrestrict=xhtml&hl=en&aq=f&oq=&aqi=-k0d0t0&fkt=1123&fsdt=3776&q=aclj+imam+ground+zero+mosque+obama+just+a+player Sep 02 15:50:26 waiting for chuqui, need to get reinvited to "list" Sep 02 15:59:36 Can someone paste some example code for modelChanged? My browser won't scroll horizontally and all the examples run off the page :/ Sep 02 15:59:48 Just need the syntax Sep 02 16:00:37 modelChanged of any particular widget? Sep 02 16:00:42 this.controller.modelChanged(this.listModel); Sep 02 16:01:05 Thought there was a 2nd parameter Sep 02 16:01:22 i have seen it with this also Sep 02 16:01:23 Anivrom|pre: check the scroller div's width in the DOM Sep 02 16:01:28 I bet it's beyond the edge Sep 02 16:02:05 I'm on the pre. Sep 02 16:02:19 uh-oh Sep 02 16:02:31 Why would I need to check the width of a scroller div in the pre's browser lol Sep 02 16:02:48 well, if you want to fix it.... Sep 02 16:02:56 then it's best to see what needs to be fixed :D Sep 02 16:03:04 elimintating the width question is the first thing to do Sep 02 16:03:07 scrollers are picky Sep 02 16:03:16 ;) Sep 02 16:03:24 if you don't explicitly set the width, then you can get screwed Sep 02 16:03:25 I was doing a google search for model hanged syntax and it kept running off page but I couldn't scroll over to see the rest Sep 02 16:03:32 oh Sep 02 16:03:34 I see Sep 02 16:03:44 modelChanged only has the one arg Sep 02 16:03:59 Hmm not according to weboshelp Sep 02 16:04:08 oh, I see that...'who' Sep 02 16:04:14 i have seen with two but have only used 1 Sep 02 16:04:25 it's to say who changed the model Sep 02 16:04:31 yer Sep 02 16:04:50 'which object' so that you can keep an object from being notified about changes it made to itself, I suppose Sep 02 16:05:05 sounds like a good idea Sep 02 16:05:15 I read that part Sep 02 16:05:21 that's it Sep 02 16:05:23 So I guess its optionsl Sep 02 16:05:24 that's all there is Sep 02 16:05:30 haha Sep 02 16:05:45 yes, it's definitely optional Sep 02 16:07:07 * halfhalo is going to kill someone Sep 02 16:07:44 don't tell swisstomcat Sep 02 16:08:26 that was good timing Sep 02 16:08:35 :D Sep 02 16:08:53 hmm? Sep 02 16:09:19 lol Sep 02 16:09:21 hahahaha Sep 02 16:09:30 are you setting in same room`? Sep 02 16:11:15 Haha good timing indeed Sep 02 16:11:22 chuqui: thanks for updating my accounts... i sent you another request last night... not sure if one of those options is available or not Sep 02 16:11:37 chuqui: Sep 02 16:11:39 hi Sep 02 16:12:45 hey. still working on catching up on requests. Note: if you keep sending me "why am I not in yet?" emails, it only slows thigns down. And I am going to put those people at the back of the line for ignoring my "please be paitent" requests. Sep 02 16:13:06 hahaha Sep 02 16:13:07 I knew it Sep 02 16:13:16 fifouymi Sep 02 16:14:07 So if we get an email asking for a reply and we reply I assume there is nothing left todo but wait Sep 02 16:15:03 that's a good assumption Sep 02 16:16:07 hi chuqui Sep 02 16:16:08 hmmm...adding 'left' className is not doing it Sep 02 16:16:22 adding style float:left is doing it Sep 02 16:16:26 wth? Sep 02 16:16:47 and yes, I have defined .left { float: left;} Sep 02 16:18:05 Reserved word conflict maybe? (complete css nub) Sep 02 16:19:02 Anivrom|pre: correct. Please. anyhting else just makes getting this stuff handled more diffifcult. and sending back "i'm working on it" emails only keeps me from actually working on it. Sep 02 16:19:20 I AVERAGED sending 51 emails an hour yesterday. seriously. Sep 02 16:19:37 lol thats alot Sep 02 16:19:48 yeah. even for me. Sep 02 16:19:58 how many request do you think you have gotten total? Sep 02 16:19:59 chuqui needs to take a break and play some Angry Birds Sep 02 16:20:02 And will all get access? Sep 02 16:20:06 Don't worry I'm not clingy like that Sep 02 16:20:19 I went to a photography meetup last night. now back to work. I'll play angry birds when I'm caught up. Sep 02 16:20:50 the only time i can play Angry Bird on work is on the toilet :P Sep 02 16:20:50 Asking him how many emails he gets is slowing him down from answering the emails he gets lol Sep 02 16:20:52 I think the record for status checkup emails by one person so far is six. And we've only been live for under 2 days. Sep 02 16:21:00 THAT person I may hold until next week, just to spite them. Sep 02 16:21:02 holy crap Sep 02 16:21:03 wow Sep 02 16:21:07 give the man a break Sep 02 16:21:22 yer ok.. Sep 02 16:21:27 or automate the process more :) Sep 02 16:21:27 that 5 emails tomuch Sep 02 16:21:40 swisstomcat good idea Sep 02 16:22:03 He must have replayed 6 times in a row.. Sep 02 16:22:52 okay this is damn retarded Sep 02 16:23:02 no time to automate the process now. maybe later. Sep 02 16:23:08 Automation requires making a program to automate it, and whos got that kinda time! We're too busy replying to emails to build an email replyer. Cmon guys think! Sep 02 16:23:26 !important...I guess spinner overrides float Sep 02 16:23:46 prepare automation before releasing beta ;) Sep 02 16:24:27 Impossible. We only plan 1 step ahead, and yeah we're horrible chess players Sep 02 16:25:37 is this HP we're talking about? Sep 02 16:25:47 I'm sure if chuq was in control of the project he woulda had one built Sep 02 16:25:57 not criticising you, chuqi Sep 02 16:25:59 hotdp: that's usually when i play as well :) Sep 02 16:26:13 automation is nice when you have time Sep 02 16:26:37 but with a new release, time isn't usually an easy thing to find... Sep 02 16:26:50 yeah Sep 02 16:27:25 so i'll just let chuqui do what he needs to do... he got me taken care of within a day or so... Sep 02 16:27:58 New Text Document.txt! Oh man, I can't wait to see THAT one Sep 02 16:28:07 and i'm not  criticizing you, chuqui Sep 02 16:28:07 heh Sep 02 16:28:13 I'm coming for you Frazer MacLean Sep 02 16:28:24 it would be nice if dropbox had "read only" sharing :) Sep 02 16:28:42 yes it would Sep 02 16:29:15 * HattCzech_work considers writing an e-mail to dropbox Sep 02 16:29:24 make it 6 or 7 Sep 02 16:29:28 * HattCzech_work then realizes he doesn't have time :) hehe Sep 02 16:30:03 oh there is chuqui Sep 02 16:30:52 when is 2.0 supposed to be out again? Sep 02 16:31:04 like, RTM Sep 02 16:32:21 "before the end of the year" Sep 02 16:32:33 wow another oil rig explosion off of LA coast Sep 02 16:32:39 yeah, like adobe flash for webos Sep 02 16:32:42 great Sep 02 16:32:52 1st half of 2010 Sep 02 16:33:41 http://uoid.me/rig1 Sep 02 16:34:28 thanks chuqui_napping! Sep 02 16:34:33 continue napping Sep 02 16:34:58 speaking of...time for naplunch Sep 02 16:35:06 dekan: naplunch Sep 02 16:35:10 :( Sep 02 16:35:12 hehehe Sep 02 16:35:31 what happened to dekan? Sep 02 16:36:00 this.inventorySnacksListModel.disabled = true; Sep 02 16:36:07 That code does not work Sep 02 16:36:18 And I'm thoroughly disappointed Sep 02 16:36:56 why would that work? Sep 02 16:37:18 Why wouldn't it? Sep 02 16:37:49 disable the model? Sep 02 16:38:29 I want to disable the list but have it still get rendered Sep 02 16:38:43 In other words disable all events Sep 02 16:39:42 disable the list? Sep 02 16:39:49 wow listening to npr... some dude came up with "fried beer" Sep 02 16:39:56 To stop it from being reorderable based on certain criteria Sep 02 16:39:57 you're setting the disabled attribute of your model to false, not disabling the list Sep 02 16:39:58 the model just supplies data to the list Sep 02 16:40:53 say whaaaaaaatttt? Sep 02 16:41:11 Well then I shall call haeffb_pre a liar. He said my logic was sound when I explained it Sep 02 16:41:11 like a pretzel but with real- beer with alcohol in the middle Sep 02 16:41:17 I can pass json objects like they are over tcp/websockets? Sep 02 16:41:26 with? Sep 02 16:41:42 haeffb is know as a notorious liar ;) Sep 02 16:42:00 * halfhalo is amazed Sep 02 16:42:11 node? Sep 02 16:42:17 yeah Sep 02 16:42:31 cool Sep 02 16:48:30 aw shit Sep 02 16:48:37 nevermind that dropbox hiccup... Sep 02 16:49:01 hmmm Sep 02 16:49:11 can I have a # in an id? Sep 02 16:49:24 like [0-9] or '#' ? Sep 02 16:49:29 # Sep 02 16:49:36 i don't think so Sep 02 16:49:45 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sep 02 16:49:51 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sep 02 16:49:54 wait, you must be able to Sep 02 16:50:02 er, nope, i'm wrong Sep 02 16:50:20 anyone tried to doctor an att phone with a sprint rom? :) Sep 02 16:50:20 http://www.electrictoolbox.com/valid-characters-html-id-attribute/ Sep 02 16:50:49 [0-9][A-Za-z][-_:.] Sep 02 16:51:05 (and what type of problems would occur if i tried something like that?) Sep 02 16:53:44 Ok, so... Which one of you webos guru's want to explain how I can disable list reordering functionality "on the fly" Sep 02 16:54:14 how do you disable it during instantiation? Sep 02 16:54:19 elaborate Sep 02 16:54:22 Hattczech_work: that sounds like a question for #webos-internals Sep 02 16:54:24 Enhance Sep 02 16:56:02 In the attributes model right? Ares handles it, I just change the property in deisgntime in the ares Ui. But under the hood in the scenechrome.js it sets up the attributes like a straight mojo app Sep 02 16:56:56 And its my understanfing that attributes can't be changed during runtim Sep 02 16:57:33 But fel free to tell me I'm wrong so that this will be an easy solution Sep 02 16:58:50 Otherwise I don't know how I'm gonna do it Sep 02 17:04:58 Judging by the lack of response I'll assume its not possible since noone knows how to do it lol Sep 02 17:06:09 lol sorry Anivrom|pre not that far into it, still need more knowledge Sep 02 17:12:45 I'm disappointed to see that they haven't fixed the opacity issue with text in 2.0, I honestly wouldn't think it'd be hard Sep 02 17:13:07 hey peeps, any spanish or french speakers in the house today? Sep 02 17:13:25 Oui. Sep 02 17:13:38 I have a bit better than Canadian high school French. :) Sep 02 17:13:59 Haha. What part of canada arrgh Sep 02 17:14:01 herm... Sep 02 17:14:06 Vancouver Sep 02 17:14:21 Bah, toronto...ish here Sep 02 17:14:32 My bro lived in vancouver for a bit Sep 02 17:14:39 Are you chatting on-device or tethered? Sep 02 17:14:49 Ondevice Sep 02 17:15:07 wIRC Sep 02 17:15:20 Nice, it's one of the few things we non-iPhoners can still hold over them ;) Sep 02 17:15:36 My daily driver is Android but I have a special place in my heart for webOS Sep 02 17:16:09 Arrgh`: i'm comin to vancouver at teh beginning of of OCT Sep 02 17:16:16 for vacation Sep 02 17:16:18 what should we do? Sep 02 17:16:20 what's good? Sep 02 17:16:24 where should we stay? Sep 02 17:16:26 HELP ME Sep 02 17:16:35 His place Sep 02 17:16:52 its me and the girlfriend... can we have your bed? Sep 02 17:16:56 haw Sep 02 17:17:06 Are you more into outdoorsy stuff or social stuff? Sep 02 17:17:15 we're thinking outdoorsy Sep 02 17:17:23 Cool, you're coming to the right place then. Sep 02 17:17:27 is it good kayaking season? whale watching? Sep 02 17:18:04 In october it'll probably rain around a quarter to a third of the time, so if you don't mind getting wetter you can do both of those Sep 02 17:18:15 i see Sep 02 17:18:31 i dont mind, she might, we'll have to see how it goes Sep 02 17:18:39 should we stay downtown? Sep 02 17:19:17 For whale watching and other assorted outdoor stuff you probably want to go to Tofino, it's about a 4 hour trip that you basically have to rent/borrow/share a car to get to Sep 02 17:19:23 Downtown is nice but not cheap Sep 02 17:20:00 right on Sep 02 17:20:10 we checked some hotels downtown, prices aren't too high Sep 02 17:20:26 would you recommend a day trip to Tofino, or staying out there for a weekend Sep 02 17:20:40 It's not really possible to do it in one day Sep 02 17:21:11 hi Sep 02 17:21:15 hey meta Sep 02 17:21:27 Sorry, I wasn't making sense when I said four hours, not enough coffee yet. It's more like six. :) Sep 02 17:22:15 hi codeslaw, how's life? Sep 02 17:22:27 Thanks chuqui_napping :) Sep 02 17:23:51 not bad, you? Sep 02 17:24:28 Arrgh`: any things in the main city we HAVE to do? Sep 02 17:25:32 I think you could probably spend 4-5 solid days in or near downtown Sep 02 17:25:42 I'd go with a 3-4 day weekend to Tofino and other points on the Island Sep 02 17:25:59 MetaView: i dig your music btw Sep 02 17:26:15 music app* Sep 02 17:27:05 Arrgh`: thanks man Sep 02 17:28:40 MetaView, what music app is urs? Sep 02 17:29:00 You could spend a full day hiking around on the North Shore mountains, Lighthouse Park is good for a couple hour hike with a picnic in between... Sep 02 17:29:13 About an hour each way, moderate hill Sep 02 17:29:20 bhodder: his is YAM Sep 02 17:29:51 Arrgh`: that's in tofino? Sep 02 17:30:13 No, on the North Shore which is like 20-60 minutes from downtown Sep 02 17:30:37 oh sweet Sep 02 17:32:10 I'd suggest renting a car for about a week, go to Tofino and do all the other assorted suburban stuff during that time, then give back the car and stick around the city for the rest Sep 02 17:32:19 i'll only be there for 5 days Sep 02 17:32:27 otherwise, yes Sep 02 17:32:29 haha Sep 02 17:32:29 hmm Sep 02 17:32:41 In that case maybe skip Tofino Sep 02 17:32:51 i did songwave Sep 02 17:32:53 dig Sep 02 17:33:06 ohhh ok Sep 02 17:38:06 How do I do the Mr. Pinchy zoom in the emulator? Sep 02 17:38:19 you can't Sep 02 17:39:11 Also, can I connect it with my old Palm account? Sep 02 17:39:55 that i don't know Sep 02 17:40:45 It has the default palm profile which doesn't seem to be editable or deletable... Anyway no biggie Sep 02 17:41:09 palm account on the emulator? Sep 02 17:41:15 (palm profile) Sep 02 17:41:21 yep Sep 02 17:41:40 yeah, no app store on the emulator either Sep 02 17:41:49 preware works tho for homebrew stuff Sep 02 17:42:12 Angry Birds at 1GHz is so sexy :D Sep 02 17:42:43 do the yellow birds fly through bricks with it? Sep 02 17:42:58 i'm liking it much better at 850 Sep 02 17:43:16 swisstomcat: with ease! Sep 02 17:43:18 (not really) Sep 02 17:43:21 codeslaw_: why so? Sep 02 17:43:34 as in, 850 vs not overclocked Sep 02 17:43:34 i'm at 720Mhz Sep 02 17:43:43 i haven't tried 1000 patch yet =P Sep 02 17:45:49 gotcha Sep 02 17:45:56 i'll let you know if it goes up in smoke Sep 02 17:46:02 word Sep 02 17:49:32 chuqui_napping: do you handle unlock codes? (or pass them along to someone that does?) Sep 02 17:50:13 no... Sep 02 17:50:19 i called att, and they said i was ineligible for some reason... Sep 02 17:50:24 (actually, not sure who would around here) Sep 02 17:50:37 those are carrier things... Sep 02 17:50:54 i know, which was odd... they told me to contact palm and gave me an 877 number :/ Sep 02 17:51:29 the guy sounded like he would've given it to me, except for the "ineligible" part... not sure how to make it eligible Sep 02 17:53:03 okay, thanks anyway, chuqui_napping Sep 02 17:53:17 yeah, unlock sounds like a carrier thing Sep 02 17:54:03 Unlocking should be--and often is--between the end user and the manufacturer. It's unrelated except by coincidence with whatever contract you may have signed with your carrier. Sep 02 17:54:26 really? what unlock are we talking about? Sep 02 17:54:38 gsm unlock Sep 02 17:54:47 carrier Sep 02 17:54:54 Well, if it's GSM, usually refers to the carrier SIM lock Sep 02 17:55:04 Right, you said AT&T :) Sep 02 17:55:18 indeed Sep 02 17:55:26 codeslaw_: thx Sep 02 17:55:39 A few years ago my wife bought a Centro retail from an AT&T store, no contract, no questions, and we paid $25ish to a somewhat shady online service for an unlock code. Worked like a charm. Sep 02 17:55:42 and they were nice enough about it... asked for my IMEI and waited a bit... then said the phone was ineligible and to give palm a call Sep 02 17:55:44 btw, I've ported Crimson Fields, anyone knows it? Sep 02 17:55:51 You can *usually* do it with *most* GSM phones Sep 02 17:56:06 Hope they will approve it soon, can't stop playing it, right now :) Sep 02 17:56:15 i could pay for it, but i see no point in that Sep 02 17:56:35 MetaView: no, got a link or something? Sep 02 17:56:38 ineligible? Sep 02 17:56:41 is it a dev phone? Sep 02 17:56:45 chuqui_napping: thx, and why do you napping when answering emails? Sep 02 17:56:57 i'm not going to use it as a phone yet, so there's no need... if i travel abroad, then yeah, i'll probably make sure to get it unlocked before i leave Sep 02 17:57:01 MetaView: I thought I did but I'm onfusing it with crimson skies Sep 02 17:57:12 http://crimson.seul.org/ Sep 02 17:57:13 swisstomcat: yeah, dev phone Sep 02 17:57:24 that might be the problem Sep 02 17:57:26 crimson skies? Sep 02 17:57:47 dev phone was not sold by carrier Sep 02 17:57:50 but that should be MORE of a reason to allow it to be unlocked :) Sep 02 17:58:03 I love top scrolling shooters Sep 02 17:58:16 but it's at&t branded :) doesn't that count? Sep 02 17:58:21 no Sep 02 17:58:25 MetaView: hard to port? Sep 02 17:58:38 no, not as hard as the Palm OS version Sep 02 17:58:55 hey btw, do you have time for a quick french translation? Sep 02 17:59:02 ahhh well, if i want it unlocked, i may have to pay for it Sep 02 17:59:10 speaking about Palm OS, I'm just trying to fight the oauth stuff for twitter - I had them already for cuttin basci auth Sep 02 17:59:24 i'd like to get it free, and may dig around a bit more Sep 02 18:00:05 i use my dev phone on wifi only Sep 02 18:01:56 that's what i'll be doing as well Sep 02 18:02:10 i'll figure out this unlock thing, though ;) Sep 02 18:05:54 I agree codeslaw, digitalpowers does smell like mothballs sometimes Sep 02 18:05:54 ater using android for the last 2 days I have come to the conclusion that webos is a lot better Sep 02 18:06:03 Oh hi digitalpowers_ Sep 02 18:06:29 Ha Sep 02 18:07:00 haha Sep 02 18:07:34 No, don't ban pandora dkirker he's a nice guy Sep 02 18:07:50 DOITDOITDOIT Sep 02 18:08:05 deihmos: nice to hear Sep 02 18:09:28 actually he's a bit of a douchebag, but, you know. Sep 02 18:09:30 "cause its the best phone, and it has the wifi's" Sep 02 18:09:45 Maik: well I didn't want to say it Sep 02 18:09:58 hey hey Sep 02 18:09:58 Incase he walked in the room Sep 02 18:10:10 why am i not getting kicked Sep 02 18:10:10 ? Sep 02 18:10:20 Oh hai! We were just saying how much we love you n stuf Sep 02 18:10:26 well sure Sep 02 18:10:49 who thinks there will be a new webos device by end of the year? Sep 02 18:10:59 yup Sep 02 18:10:59 Palm? Sep 02 18:11:00 i think that is pretty certain Sep 02 18:11:01 * HattCzech_work raises hand Sep 02 18:11:04 * Anivrom|pre raises hand Sep 02 18:11:22 Yup new device soon! Sep 02 18:11:35 * swisstomcat raises both paws Sep 02 18:11:42 it will be pink, the new black Sep 02 18:11:45 yeah if the logs haven't been spoofs/hoaxs Sep 02 18:11:47 2 devices Sep 02 18:11:56 with the new webos devices Sep 02 18:12:03 dragonfly or whatever it was called? Sep 02 18:12:12 roadrunner? Sep 02 18:12:15 yeah Sep 02 18:12:16 thanks :) Sep 02 18:12:23 it would be a huge mistake to not have a new device ready to roll with webos 2.0 Sep 02 18:12:23 i was way off Sep 02 18:12:23 lol Sep 02 18:12:29 codeslaw: good point Sep 02 18:12:34 people won't buy pre's for a new OS Sep 02 18:12:50 yeah Sep 02 18:12:59 * halfhalo is bored Sep 02 18:13:08 HP can't do much to save the pre marketting wise, but they CAN launch a new massive campaign with a new device Sep 02 18:13:10 halfhalo: polish my css? Sep 02 18:13:18 codeslaw: yeah Sep 02 18:13:21 * halfhalo can't do css at all Sep 02 18:13:37 write more node.js stuff Sep 02 18:13:42 neither can i and my wife won't do it for me Sep 02 18:13:49 she knows css wayyyyy better than me Sep 02 18:14:03 I agree with codeslaw_ Sep 02 18:14:04 Haha weird Sep 02 18:14:15 * halfhalo is writing node stuff, but is in class Sep 02 18:14:21 my wife doesn't know what css is :/ Sep 02 18:14:23 That's awesome your wife is a web guru Sep 02 18:14:27 webos 2.0 needs to be released on a new device, atleast revamped Pre Sep 02 18:14:57 My wife knows web stuff, just not at guru level Sep 02 18:15:03 * halfhalo needs help with a jquery interface for his node thing Sep 02 18:15:16 Lonestar, pre is done Sep 02 18:15:32 It looks antiquated compared to new devices Sep 02 18:15:38 They can't revamp Sep 02 18:15:54 Anivrom|pre: heh yeah. she's pretty badass Sep 02 18:16:02 tablet will be nice too Sep 02 18:16:14 Anivrom|pre: she failed her c++ class in college though Sep 02 18:16:19 but i won't hold that against her Sep 02 18:16:20 Although my wife can rip apart adobe illustrator Sep 02 18:16:52 niiice Sep 02 18:17:07 i do the illustrator stuff in our house Sep 02 18:17:13 bbl Sep 02 18:17:17 She's the vector guru, I'm the rastor guru Sep 02 18:17:18 like our wedding invitations and crap, all svg Sep 02 18:17:31 Yea we did our own too Sep 02 18:17:32 Anivrom|pre: yeah guess u are right, "C40 Turbo Plus III" Sep 02 18:17:46 Anivrom|pre: just recently right? Sep 02 18:17:52 Printed off at staples, cost 64 dollars total Sep 02 18:18:01 yeah we printed at kinkos Sep 02 18:18:16 We cut them ourselves in 30 minutes Sep 02 18:18:27 yup :) Sep 02 18:18:47 We had our 1 yr on the 21st of aug Sep 02 18:19:08 right on Sep 02 18:19:16 Anivrom|pre, My wife and I had our one year on the 22 of aug Sep 02 18:19:19 feb 27th this year for me Sep 02 18:19:26 so aug was 6months Sep 02 18:19:32 nice Sep 02 18:20:33 Bhodder I need a tims hook me up Sep 02 18:21:06 ahh good ol tims :) Sep 02 18:21:38 Buy... Nao! Sep 02 18:22:09 3c 1s please, large, Sep 02 18:22:15 lol sure I'll hook you up with one, only trouble might be cold by the time you get it Sep 02 18:22:32 anyone familiar with developing for webos and android? Sep 02 18:23:09 did you get married in ontario Anivrom|pre Sep 02 18:23:20 Deihmos: yeah Sep 02 18:24:03 Of course Sep 02 18:24:04 why does android apps look like they are on paperr like they lack depth? Sep 02 18:24:10 Toronto Sep 02 18:24:23 why the pre apps looks so beautiful in comparison Sep 02 18:24:32 Cost 5300 for 103 ppl. 3 course reception at a nice hall Sep 02 18:25:05 Arrgh`: ping Sep 02 18:25:11 25 a plate, got a good deal cause it was a friday Sep 02 18:25:59 Deihmos: its a well known fact that webos has a MUCH better UI than android, which includes all the wonderfully styled widgets and stuff Sep 02 18:26:13 codeslaw_? Sep 02 18:26:16 I see Sep 02 18:26:24 Arrgh`: where would we go for whale watching? Sep 02 18:26:55 Tofino is the usual place, but it's a pretty long trip, dunno if there's anything much closer though Sep 02 18:27:10 ah ok Sep 02 18:28:09 hmm, there's a place in Steveston Sep 02 18:28:17 http://www.vancouverwhalewatch.com/maps.html Sep 02 18:29:01 sweet site Sep 02 18:29:25 Steveston itself is good for an hour or two's diversion, there used to be a nice homey Mexican place in the far corner of town, hopefully still there Sep 02 18:30:03 mexican food in canada? being from the mexican border, i am somewhat weary =P Sep 02 18:30:27 nice sounds like it was a good day Sep 02 18:30:38 Trust me, I know. There are a couple decent places in Vancouver, one traditional, hole-in-the-wall, another more avant-garde/fusion Sep 02 18:30:47 right on Sep 02 18:34:27 Have you guys seen the Twitter app for iPad? Sep 02 18:39:13 webOS is unquestionably prettier, more usable, and more well-integrated PIM-wise than Android, and the actual honest-to-goodness webbiness of webOS is architecturally beautiful... Sep 02 18:40:36 Arrgh`: totally agree Sep 02 18:40:49 That ellipsis was somewhat pregnant though. ;) Sep 02 18:44:47 i'm having mexican for lunch Sep 02 18:44:51 Taco Bell! Sep 02 18:44:54 :D Sep 02 18:44:55 lucky Sep 02 18:46:14 * dohtem should too! Sep 02 18:46:21 tacos are delicious Sep 02 18:48:51 taco bell is as mexican as the horses they use for meat Sep 02 18:48:57 and? Sep 02 18:49:04 that's all Sep 02 18:49:22 i'll still scarf down a cheesy gordita crunch Sep 02 18:49:34 bean and cheese burritos ftw Sep 02 18:49:47 regardless of the extreme regret to follow within the hour Sep 02 18:50:37 that wasn't me Sep 02 18:50:50 ? Sep 02 18:50:53 dropbox Sep 02 18:51:02 i can't go to Taco Bell without getting a quesadilla Sep 02 18:51:04 not really sure why Sep 02 18:51:10 beh, not installed on laptop Sep 02 18:51:33 webos doctor was removed and then re-added, same file though :/ Sep 02 18:51:42 ... Sep 02 18:51:50 so's your face Sep 02 18:53:33 ... Sep 02 19:24:27 My little sister is getting married tomorrow :O Sep 02 19:25:36 congrats? Sep 02 19:26:00 Guess so Sep 02 19:27:22 i just bottled my first batch of beer Sep 02 19:28:14 What kind? Sep 02 19:30:09 amber ale Sep 02 19:30:12 it's not bad Sep 02 19:30:25 but not great either Sep 02 19:30:33 Very nice. My uncle is very into making his own Sep 02 19:30:54 A bit crazy about it.. but hey, it's a cheap way to make your beer Sep 02 19:31:05 wow congrats Sep 02 19:31:17 Anivrom|pre, Sep 02 19:31:25 Rawr Sep 02 19:34:45 making your own beer is awesome, did it a few times in the past! congrats! Sep 02 19:35:21 I can't wait to make my own recreants. Sep 02 19:35:24 come on California Sep 02 19:35:46 hahahaha Sep 02 19:35:55 i wouldn't be allowed in cali Sep 02 19:36:02 heh Sep 02 19:36:14 i'm a good ole georgia boy Sep 02 19:36:22 the antithesis of californians Sep 02 19:36:43 well, my state will be the last to fall to the evil weed, we seem to keep electing the same asshole Sep 02 19:36:58 you live in cali? Sep 02 19:37:01 no Sep 02 19:37:05 TX Sep 02 19:37:06 oh Sep 02 19:37:09 haha Sep 02 19:37:10 cali ftw Sep 02 19:37:14 sorry, i read that wrong Sep 02 19:37:17 he lives in Rick Perryland Sep 02 19:37:30 what a douche Sep 02 19:37:42 iunno sugardave Sep 02 19:37:45 the man speaks for all of us when he says we should secede from the union!! Sep 02 19:37:48 you guys owe the rest of the country something fierce Sep 02 19:37:54 for bush Sep 02 19:38:06 that's Florida's fault Sep 02 19:38:19 texas should at least have to be in time out or something Sep 02 19:38:26 "Hey we don't want your filthy communist stimulus money!! What's that, its a real check? ok deposit that over here. But you're still communists!!!" Sep 02 19:39:11 codeslaw_: plus, he's technically an acessory to murder in the first degree and guilty of conspiracy to cover it up....that guy they fried for arson. Turns out he didn't actually burn down his own house Sep 02 19:39:22 yet, nobody seems to want to bring this up during the election Sep 02 19:39:32 I would have it tatooed on my face if I were running Sep 02 19:39:34 fuck rick perry in every way Sep 02 19:39:56 i work 3 blocks from his burnt house Sep 02 19:43:54 I sense some animosity towards this "rick perry" fellow Sep 02 19:44:33 is that the fellow she is merring? Sep 02 19:47:45 Ummmm no? Lol Sep 02 19:48:07 * Anivrom|pre wonders how bhodder came to that assumption Sep 02 19:48:11 codeslaw_: I thought you also lived in the ghetto-lite...did you come into some money? :D Sep 02 19:48:31 haha, not enough to get me out. Sep 02 19:48:39 but is till work downtown Sep 02 19:48:43 i still* Sep 02 19:48:44 oh work Sep 02 19:48:46 not live Sep 02 19:48:48 yezzir Sep 02 19:48:48 :D Sep 02 19:50:18 lol Sep 02 19:50:18 i have no idea who rick perry is Sep 02 19:50:40 impossible Sep 02 19:50:56 everyone knows Rick Perry is the greatest governor of any state ever Sep 02 19:51:02 that's why he keeps getting re-elected Sep 02 19:51:08 he's THAT awesome Sep 02 19:51:32 who is rick perry Sep 02 19:52:38 is anyone here beta testing mojomessenger Sep 02 19:53:11 he's one of those Republicans that say you can't fund abortions because it would lead to sexual promiscuity, but FORCED HPV vaccinations for all females age 12+. Why do they need HPV vaccinations if they're not having sex because they can't get abortions? Sep 02 19:53:15 I hate Republicans Sep 02 19:53:19 and I hate Democrats, too Sep 02 19:53:29 sorry Anivrom|pre last thing i read was that your sister is getting married and then the animosity to rick perry Sep 02 19:53:41 did not know he is a governer Sep 02 19:54:51 I don't hate anyone but my world view definitely aligns with republicans more, although I don't agree with everything they do Sep 02 19:55:49 Libertarians, it's the only way Sep 02 19:56:37 sugardave: I'm mostly with you except for the whole lack of foreign policy thing. Sep 02 19:57:27 yeah, I ride the fence on that one...sometimes I like the idea of shutting the whole shit down and re-building our manufacturing base...but that will never happen because we're too soft Sep 02 20:08:33 i'm with you sugardave: he is a douche Sep 02 20:09:05 met him one time... had to try very hard not to cough douche around him Sep 02 20:09:19 whoa nice free phone offer Sep 02 20:09:30 ? Sep 02 20:09:44 http://bit.ly/9R3oXh Sep 02 20:10:20 where's my sprint pre plus? Sep 02 20:10:32 oh, it's in my at&t pre plus until i swap it out :) Sep 02 20:15:00 HattCzech_work, that would be pointless Sep 02 20:15:15 pointless? Sep 02 20:15:26 pre -> pre plus Sep 02 20:15:45 (and from pre plus -> pre) Sep 02 20:15:57 pre is basically dead Sep 02 20:16:59 i know, which is why i may upgrade mine Sep 02 20:17:07 although i won't if new hardware is announced :) Sep 02 20:22:39 weeee Sep 02 20:22:46 mostly got tabs working Sep 02 20:27:57 hmm...if I get another Pre and a new device comes out...I'm screwed for the upgrade aren't I? Sep 02 20:28:16 lol Sep 02 20:28:24 yes Sep 02 20:28:32 yess Sep 02 20:28:41 sugardave are you creating pdk apps? Sep 02 20:28:47 i am sitting a new update myself Sep 02 20:29:00 yeah, got an update too Sep 02 20:29:22 hotdp: I'm a one-trick pony...javascript as performed by Mojo Sep 02 20:29:25 upgrade* Sep 02 20:30:13 hotdp: one day, when I have lots of time (and a Linux PDK) I might be able to learn some stuff....enough for a hybrid app maybe Sep 02 20:30:19 nazi zombies? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pff6uioJNvE&feature=youtu.be Sep 02 20:32:51 lol Sep 02 20:43:40 so I have an sdk question for anyone who wants to/can answer. For some reason my appMenu won't work on my initial (main) scene, but it will work on all other "sub" scenes. When I try to display the app menu I get the following output in my log http://pastie.org/1134590 (source for main assistant here http://bitbucket.org/dcousineau/prejoindin/src/tip/app/assistants/main-assistant.js) Sep 02 20:47:40 dcousineau: well, I assume PreJoindIn is defined somewhere else..like the app or stage controller? are you sure it's defined when main starts? Sep 02 20:48:16 sugardave: yeah http://bitbucket.org/dcousineau/prejoindin/src/tip/library/prejoindin/prefs.js Sep 02 20:48:23 it's loaded by sources.json Sep 02 20:48:32 the same line is present in teh other scenes and those work Sep 02 20:48:48 yeah Sep 02 20:48:54 just checking :D Sep 02 20:48:58 :P Sep 02 20:48:59 http://bitbucket.org/dcousineau/prejoindin/src/tip/app/assistants/event-detail-assistant.js Sep 02 20:49:15 it's present in my event-detail scene and works on the event-detail scene when I run it Sep 02 20:49:19 just not in main for some reason Sep 02 20:52:26 ITS ALIVE Sep 02 20:52:30 dcousineau: sorry man, I can't see anything Sep 02 20:52:35 :( Sep 02 20:52:44 I was hopin gI was just stupi Sep 02 20:52:58 185 files in teh my dropbox!? Sep 02 20:53:09 185 files out of teh my dropbx :( Sep 02 20:53:29 dcousineau: did you try/catch it to see if there's something better to see in the error? Sep 02 21:02:19 * Tibfib wants 2.0 on device Sep 02 21:03:20 * haeffb_pre wants a new device with 2.0 Sep 02 21:03:26 * halfhalo wants foooooood Sep 02 21:03:47 braaaaaiiinnnnsssss Sep 02 21:04:34 I'm with haeffb__ Sep 02 21:04:47 want a new device with 2.0 ;) Sep 02 21:04:54 hah Sep 02 21:05:07 I want a new device too,, Sep 02 21:05:27 4' screen Sep 02 21:05:39 too big Sep 02 21:05:44 nope Sep 02 21:05:45 sugardave: I don't know where to even drop a try catch block Sep 02 21:05:48 it doesn't fail in setup Sep 02 21:05:56 3.7-3.9 :) Sep 02 21:06:12 lol Sep 02 21:06:14 those logs only show up directly after clicking the menu button thingy area in the top left hand corner of the emulator Sep 02 21:06:45 I thought 4' would be too big but after using the samsung vibrant, it feels just right Sep 02 21:09:16 I'll to check out the vibrant Sep 02 21:09:21 have to* Sep 02 21:10:34 funny enough, my only complaint with the size is that it was *too* thin Sep 02 21:10:59 the evo screen size works well Sep 02 21:11:04 not sure what that one is Sep 02 21:11:19 4.3 iirc Sep 02 21:11:46 that's way tooo big Sep 02 21:21:14 Got music playing and wirc open. Lets watch the batt percentage fly Sep 02 21:21:45 Anivrom|pre: how true Sep 02 21:21:55 angry birds = battery killer Sep 02 21:21:57 (also) Sep 02 21:22:08 or maybe it's that i play way too much Sep 02 21:22:23 hmmm, can't you call a modelChanged on a command menu? Sep 02 21:22:33 yeah you can Sep 02 21:22:36 or something similar Sep 02 21:22:45 Yeah. I left it maximized kast night by accident and about 1 hour later I got a 5% warning Sep 02 21:23:17 123/126 stars on mighty hoax Sep 02 21:23:19 soooo close Sep 02 21:25:38 you get pefect on poached eggs? Sep 02 21:25:58 Idk how but I managed to get music/wirc/angry birds open at the same time on a stock pre... Let theTMC's fly lol Sep 02 21:26:13 I got perfect on poached. Sep 02 21:27:29 hmmm, I can't disable a command menu item and then call modelChanged Sep 02 21:27:51 <3 CSS3 Sep 02 21:28:40 yessssssssssss Sep 02 21:28:48 does webos support any css3? Sep 02 21:30:29 Yes it does. Sep 02 21:30:50 any reason why this wouldn't work? http://webos.pastebin.com/VHnuPQYw Sep 02 21:31:01 I'm getting "WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. Did you call it with the ORIGINAL model object, and not a replacement?" Sep 02 21:31:18 pandora--: border-radius Sep 02 21:31:27 s'what i just used Sep 02 21:31:27 w00t! Sep 02 21:31:32 thats all i wanted Sep 02 21:31:33 haha Sep 02 21:31:35 hah Sep 02 21:31:42 i'm trying to make a button, and it must be round Sep 02 21:31:57 i'd really like to copy the command menu button style Sep 02 21:32:26 maik: why don't you? Sep 02 21:32:38 haeffb_pre: i am, just need to get the graphics Sep 02 21:32:43 or figure out how to reference them i guess Sep 02 21:32:56 * maik 's digging through PalmSDK/ Sep 02 21:43:48 I'm at 64% already, then again now I'm playing angry birds listening to music AND have wirc open. Nice little experiment :P Sep 02 21:45:11 Anivrom|pre: did you start at 100% when you announed that 20 mins ago? Sep 02 21:45:24 Yeah Sep 02 21:45:30 Just about Sep 02 21:45:46 Actually about 90 % Sep 02 21:47:39 someone's messing with dropbox again Sep 02 21:48:42 Woo... SDK downloaded. GOGOGOGO!1! Sep 02 21:49:32 Tibfib: figure it out yet? Sep 02 21:49:42 haeffb__: no... Sep 02 21:49:47 items[0] Sep 02 21:49:53 which one? Sep 02 21:50:08 wait, no Sep 02 21:50:09 haeffb__: I logged out the path, it's good Sep 02 21:50:14 dgathright: so yeah, this is some of the stuff I was wanting to talk with you guys about earlier =] Sep 02 21:50:54 (but could not, just so that nobody gets jealous) Sep 02 21:51:20 maybe the trailing comma? Sep 02 21:51:43 * haeffb__ is jealous Sep 02 21:53:07 haeffb__: nope :( Sep 02 21:53:11 adora: You just had to release the SDK the weekend I'm going on vacation, didn't you? Sep 02 21:53:39 actually... going to SD. Sea World & the Zoo. Any other suggestions? Sep 02 21:54:54 Tibfib: did you log this.commandMenuModel in the other function? Sep 02 21:55:01 before you changed it? Sep 02 21:55:13 haeffb__: yeah Sep 02 21:55:47 so how do i take an image which has multiple "slides" and set its position? Sep 02 21:55:56 er, set a given position in the image on the div Sep 02 21:56:01 i'm having difficulty phrasing this Sep 02 21:56:30 dgathright: wild animal park > zoo Sep 02 21:56:43 Will keep that in mind Sep 02 21:56:44 Adora: wow never seen you in here Sep 02 21:57:16 "Sun VirtualBox" is now "Oracle VirtualBox"? Booooo hissssss Sep 02 21:57:16 i've got a 50x100 image with two images in it. on press i want it to change to the 2nd image but setting the effective position to 0,50 instead of 0,0 Sep 02 21:57:23 pandora--: used to hang out all the time, got out of the habit when I started having to connect to vpn all the time (which disco's irc) Sep 02 21:57:24 hah Sep 02 21:57:34 dgathright: heh, I noticed that on my last SDK update Sep 02 21:58:10 dgathright: and hit stone brewery in north county after the wild animal park Sep 02 21:58:26 * Tibfib is still runing vbox 3.0.10 Sep 02 21:58:42 You had me at "brewery" Sep 02 21:58:57 Tibfib: the only thing different in mine is {} instead of undefined for attribs Sep 02 21:59:03 blind lady ale house for the best pizza outside of italy, they're in university heights Sep 02 21:59:05 oh, got it Sep 02 21:59:07 carry on folks Sep 02 21:59:20 then walk down the block to the ice cream shop run by a couple of awesome old hippies Sep 02 21:59:55 haeffb__: still doesn't worrrrk.... Sep 02 22:00:04 * Tibfib wonders if it's the x.x sdk Sep 02 22:00:05 then you should give up. Sep 02 22:00:20 * haeffb__ is pretty sure it's not. just a hunch. Sep 02 22:00:41 bah, I have no clue Sep 02 22:01:05 ugh, Komodo Edit doesn't like :wq Sep 02 22:01:16 root@qemux86:/# node -v Sep 02 22:01:16 v0.1.102 Sep 02 22:01:19 omgomgomg Sep 02 22:01:27 yup Sep 02 22:01:43 Tibfib: http://webos.pastebin.com/rtEud1xN is my similar code that works. Sep 02 22:02:04 haahah I"m doing disabled == true Sep 02 22:02:14 oh. well, that wouldn't work. Sep 02 22:02:27 * haeffb__ suggests you change that. Sep 02 22:02:33 are there any sprint tethering apps in homebrew? Sep 02 22:02:37 lol Sep 02 22:02:39 haeffb__: thanks Sep 02 22:03:29 * haeffb__ reminds people that early access is under NDA Sep 02 22:03:33 as a public service Sep 02 22:04:12 is there a way to reference stock palm images or is it best to just copy it into my working directory? Sep 02 22:04:20 * haeffb__ copies Sep 02 22:04:50 then I don't have to worry about palm changing location of images in some future release Sep 02 22:04:55 makes sense Sep 02 22:05:03 and because I don't know how to reference... :) Sep 02 22:05:07 heh Sep 02 22:05:12 haeffb__: oh yeah, forgot about that part. I should probably actually review that. Sep 02 22:05:33 hah, yeah we really want to talk about it :] Sep 02 22:06:07 Adora: Awesome. Don't surprised if I ask for more tips over the weekend, so keep your phone nearby. Hah, not like that's ever an issue for you though. =P Sep 02 22:06:11 Tibfib means we would really want to talk about something if we had something to talk about. Sep 02 22:06:31 hahaha frazer maclean Sep 02 22:06:48 He's a dead man Sep 02 22:06:50 dgathright: more like I have too many =] Sep 02 22:06:51 marked Sep 02 22:07:12 I shall blame all dropbox issues on him Sep 02 22:07:13 Adora: yeah, should have save that plurally. Sep 02 22:07:57 ack.. looks like someone is futzing around with the dropbox Sep 02 22:08:05 that would be Frazer Sep 02 22:09:41 I know we can only have one version of the SDK but can we have different version emu images and pick which one to load? Sep 02 22:09:42 oh find, you're my only friend sometimes Sep 02 22:10:04 what's the msg to nickserv to change my nick? Sep 02 22:10:11 /nick Sep 02 22:10:15 no message to nickserv Sep 02 22:10:38 whew Sep 02 22:10:52 also had to identify Sep 02 22:11:17 but nick serv was kind enough to tell me how to do that Sep 02 22:11:22 thanks nick! Sep 02 22:11:28 and maik! Sep 02 22:11:34 np Sep 02 22:14:21 * haeffb is disappointed nobody is able to fix my lazy list problem. Sep 02 22:16:42 haeffb: I thought you hacked around it? can you just get a list length by the result of your db query? Sep 02 22:16:54 that's not working either Sep 02 22:16:57 oh Sep 02 22:17:14 unless I load the whole list...which kinda defeats the purpose of lazy loading a list Sep 02 22:17:28 yeah Sep 02 22:17:57 lol Frazier McLean Sep 02 22:18:15 someone deleted it and it popped up again Sep 02 22:18:22 HAH! Sep 02 22:18:22 * dgathright is getting no work done Sep 02 22:18:24 * maik does a happy dance Sep 02 22:18:31 ya, me neither Sep 02 22:18:40 * dohtem shoots maik in the knees Sep 02 22:18:44 Frazer is one tenacious little bastard Sep 02 22:18:56 and he's conflicted Sep 02 22:19:22 ow Sep 02 22:19:27 sugardave: let's hunt him down Sep 02 22:19:42 wait, when I start up my pc, will dropbox pull a copy of the files in someone's shared folder to my hdd? Sep 02 22:19:54 only if you have a shared folder in common Sep 02 22:20:00 dohtem: only files in your dropbox Sep 02 22:20:01 ..? Sep 02 22:20:05 or have access to that shared folder Sep 02 22:20:27 I mean all the dropbox folders you use Sep 02 22:20:28 I have access but I dont want the files automagically copied to my PC Sep 02 22:20:32 will synch to the local dropbox Sep 02 22:20:47 dohtem: then don't install the toolbox or whatever it is Sep 02 22:20:51 just use the web interface Sep 02 22:21:04 though dropbox is pretty friggen handy Sep 02 22:21:10 the app Sep 02 22:21:18 yeah Sep 02 22:22:33 ack. the only way to avoid that seems to be "leave this shared folder" Sep 02 22:28:55 * haeffb racked up a nice Sprint bill because of dropbox back when I was using EVDO for internet access. Sep 02 22:29:13 cruised right past the 5GB limit without even slowing down. Sep 02 22:32:52 uh oh, a new contender for most hated dropbox user Sep 02 22:33:50 ok, they really need to sort this shit out Sep 02 22:34:06 there's no way to share a read-only dropbox? Sep 02 22:34:14 haeffb: nope Sep 02 22:34:17 dropbox is stupid Sep 02 22:34:17 weak Sep 02 22:34:30 dropbox *sharing* is stupid Sep 02 22:35:22 how do you enable the default app menu items? Sep 02 22:35:24 I can't remember Sep 02 22:35:35 edit something or other Sep 02 22:36:16 oh okay Sep 02 22:36:50 christ on a cracker Sep 02 22:39:40 Mojo.Menu.helpItem Sep 02 22:39:45 Mojo.Menu.editItem Sep 02 22:39:52 not necessarily in that order Sep 02 22:40:15 haeffb: yess, I just want to establish the commands for those items and let the default app menu creation handle it Sep 02 22:40:22 don't want to add app menus to every scene Sep 02 22:41:55 if (event.type === Mojo.Event.commandEnable) { Sep 02 22:42:01 like that? Sep 02 22:42:26 oh is that it? Sep 02 22:43:03 http://www.pastie.org/1134859 Sep 02 22:43:11 that is in your handleCommand Sep 02 22:43:33 then add Mojo.Menu.helpItem in your items: list Sep 02 22:45:33 there should be a way to declare the default app menu in the stage assistant Sep 02 22:46:04 this might help http://www.webos101.com/AppMenu_Example Sep 02 22:46:08 should be but is not Sep 02 22:46:17 you have to setupWidget in each scene Sep 02 22:46:42 haeffb: heh, already saw that... just wanting a better solution Sep 02 22:46:42 you can put the attributes & model in the stage assistant, but still have to setupWidget Sep 02 22:47:31 looks like I'll do that Sep 02 22:51:42 so guys Sep 02 22:52:05 what would you think about me building a HERF gun and mounting it on a turret on my truck Sep 02 22:52:22 to deal with idiot drivers Sep 02 22:52:37 i could probably even market it as a way to stop texting and driving Sep 02 22:52:44 a+ idea Sep 02 23:00:25 hey guys i'm trying to wake up my application with a timer but i am having a really hard time figuring out what all the required pieces are and how to instantiate them Sep 02 23:01:18 anyone know of any good articles or references for timers and how to go about setting them up Sep 02 23:04:24 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=javascript+timer Sep 02 23:05:00 he probably means webos timers Sep 02 23:05:38 ya i do mean webos timers, i don't really have any problems with regular javascript timers Sep 02 23:05:55 I think there's some stuff on webos101.com Sep 02 23:06:32 under the multi-stage apps stuff Sep 02 23:06:42 ooh hehe sorry Sep 02 23:07:12 k thanks Sep 02 23:07:19 i'll take a look at and come back Sep 02 23:08:39 * Tibfib wonders why people can't leave irc open Sep 02 23:09:14 Tibfib: those long distance connections cost a fortune! Sep 02 23:09:42 dman Sep 02 23:09:42 damn Sep 02 23:09:56 we need a private channel for 2.0 sdk talk Sep 02 23:10:01 that palm sanctions Sep 02 23:10:13 chuqui: right? Sep 02 23:10:18 * Tibfib agreeeees Sep 02 23:10:42 I'd not be allowed, but why not join ##webos2.0 for now? Sep 02 23:10:55 * dgathright +2 Sep 02 23:10:58 because that's not private? Sep 02 23:11:29 Tibfib: what did the NDA say? Sep 02 23:11:36 i don't want to get kicked out of the program, but i'd like a real-time rant/chat channel :) Sep 02 23:11:46 madnificent: what NDA? ;) Sep 02 23:11:49 nda is like the first pre-release nda Sep 02 23:11:54 ^ yeah exactly Sep 02 23:13:11 someone should make a node.js server and client for nda stuff Sep 02 23:13:12 :p Sep 02 23:13:24 was just thinking that myself. Would be easy Sep 02 23:13:37 NOT the interface! Sep 02 23:13:58 interface schinterface. real programmers use the command line Sep 02 23:14:29 word. Sep 02 23:14:54 i happily use bash/vim/ant for my dayjob and bash/vim for my palm coding Sep 02 23:15:07 * Tibfib hides git gui and his batch scripts for packaging and installing apps Sep 02 23:17:31 * halfhalo looks into it Sep 02 23:17:40 into...? Sep 02 23:18:42 dangit, I can never remember, what are the calls to appInfo properties? Mojo.appInfo.id? Sep 02 23:19:05 nvm, found it Sep 02 23:23:33 * halfhalo notes that if someone built an interface he would build a tcp server/client combo for node that we could use and could double as an example Sep 02 23:24:03 to register for an onclick can't i do $('foo').onclick = foo; ? Sep 02 23:25:35 ooh, got it Sep 02 23:30:55 stop messing with the dropbox people........ Sep 02 23:36:17 textmate + bash + make Sep 02 23:56:57 ping chuqui Sep 02 23:57:59 hmmm, so I just realized something. If I let the user pick the screen orientation and it something other than top, they can't see the app menu anymore to change the preference back. Sep 02 23:58:17 How would I get around that? Sep 02 23:58:49 Don't let users lock to left/right? Sep 02 23:59:54 chuqui nm, sent email Sep 03 00:01:08 audio makes me want to cause death to others Sep 03 00:03:30 !! Sep 03 00:03:36 what's wrong with hearing things?! Sep 03 00:03:44 Mojo audio support* Sep 03 00:03:49 goodnight all, and have a good weekend Sep 03 00:03:57 ah Sep 03 00:11:35 its really quite... Sep 03 00:12:13 yes, that is an e Sep 03 00:13:37 Tibfib: lol what happened to dropbox? Sep 03 00:15:29 what do you mean? Sep 03 00:28:34 a/30 Sep 03 00:36:56 oil: ping Sep 03 00:44:01 haeffb: ? Sep 03 00:44:21 just wondering if you lazy loaded list in preware? Sep 03 00:44:30 * haeffb is looking at source now. Sep 03 00:45:10 * halfhalo is going to bug the crap out of oil soon Sep 03 00:45:38 * oil shudders Sep 03 00:47:06 :p Sep 03 00:48:27 so, it appears the answer is "no" Sep 03 00:48:45 lol Sep 03 01:02:55 Hey all Sep 03 01:02:58 Who's here? Sep 03 01:03:03 I need to rant Sep 03 01:06:43 have fun Sep 03 01:27:02 rant away Sep 03 01:36:57 haeffb: I would, but the content of the rant is, well, sensative. Sep 03 01:37:32 oh. ok. Sep 03 01:37:54 you could always rant at me in a PM. I'll ignore that too... Sep 03 01:40:12 lmao Sep 03 01:50:36 * kesne hates haeffb Sep 03 01:50:43 * kesne give haeffb a big hug Sep 03 01:50:54 * haeffb calling sprint for hardware problems with pixi Sep 03 01:53:18 l key works sporadically Sep 03 02:12:20 "take it to a repair center" Sep 03 02:12:43 grrrr dropbox Sep 03 02:14:53 oh, and the level 1 tech didn't know anything about any new Palm phones coming out... Sep 03 02:17:03 lol @ dropbox Sep 03 02:17:45 I'm temtped to put a file that says " I will murder the next person who deletes/copies/unzips the files here" Sep 03 02:18:18 * Tibfib wonders why palm couldn't have hooked up a system to download via the dev palm webiste... Sep 03 02:18:28 Make it ftp. done Sep 03 02:19:09 lol Sep 03 02:19:11 oh hey, dropbox IM Sep 03 02:19:17 hah Sep 03 02:20:19 * Tibfib wonders if zumodrive works hte same way Sep 03 02:20:25 sugardave: I can make it work if I manually track the list length Sep 03 02:20:34 yup Sep 03 02:21:08 haeffb: right, so now you just do that :D Sep 03 02:21:12 * haeffb thinks about uninstalling dropbox Sep 03 02:21:22 * halfhalo is getting to that point... Sep 03 02:21:27 sigh. that's a pain to keep track with adding/deleting items. Sep 03 02:21:56 * oil just downloads from web, no program Sep 03 02:22:11 https://www.dropbox.com/votebox Sep 03 02:22:22 * Tibfib thinks oil might have figured something out Sep 03 02:22:37 right, that's what I was going to do. Sep 03 02:22:47 put an end to the dropbox IM's Sep 03 02:23:54 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5135637/Teams/Dropbox_for_Teams.html Sep 03 02:27:09 * Tibfib uninstalling Sep 03 02:27:49 that's better. Sep 03 02:31:48 zumo drive is brilliant for source backup... just sayin Sep 03 02:32:07 your cding abilites, I needs them Sep 03 02:32:12 coding Sep 03 02:34:25 FYI, I currently have about twice as many (1296) users of Done! from the app catalog as the Done! beta (617) from Precentral Sep 03 02:34:51 nice Sep 03 02:34:59 with certainly some overlap Sep 03 02:35:03 I'm just over 400 with the beta iHS Sep 03 02:35:11 only in palm beta catalog Sep 03 02:35:59 I'm more interested in comparing the appCat# to preware/whatever# - i.e. is the idea of a free beta version a good one? Sep 03 02:37:13 I know, I just wanted to throw my number out there **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010