**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010 Sep 03 03:19:25 what is the right way to install optware / ssh-server and what not now? the wiki says those pages are depreciated but does not have alternate links to the right pages to use next to where it says depreciated. Sep 03 03:19:56 wh0dat: #webos-internals Sep 03 03:20:22 wh0dat: OpenSSH in Preware, read the HomePage link in the package description Sep 03 03:21:03 rwhitby : thx.. maybe have that little tidbit next to where it says "depreciated" ;) Sep 03 03:21:15 wh0dat: feel free to update the wiki Sep 03 03:22:01 hehe Sep 03 03:30:49 welp someone dun screwed up Sep 03 03:31:11 Palm's just halted early access submissions due to the leak on precentral (according to their twitter) Sep 03 03:31:18 good Sep 03 03:42:36 What's happenin BROS? Sep 03 03:42:54 someone is going to be shot Sep 03 03:43:26 hey, so I'm clear, did just info leak, or did somebody leak the SDK? Sep 03 03:43:38 info it looks like Sep 03 03:44:39 funkatron: anonymous tip to PreCentral, which was then stupidly posted on the front page Sep 03 03:44:50 Those guys are pros. Sep 03 03:45:47 * rwhitby looks for the tags Sep 03 03:46:02 no. totally. real pros. Sep 03 03:46:03 Their implied Sep 03 03:46:03 howdy Sep 03 03:46:04 . Sep 03 03:46:04 funkatron: you apparently like rhyming tonight Sep 03 03:46:12 oh yeah Sep 03 03:46:32 how go shot Sep 03 03:46:36 who Sep 03 03:46:48 no-one, yet Sep 03 03:47:03 why what happened? Sep 03 03:47:13 someone leaked info Sep 03 03:47:27 to be fair I wouldn't expect precentral to filter that Sep 03 03:47:40 they're a news entity, it's not going to matter much to them Sep 03 03:48:06 To be fair, if PreCentral is actually giving a shit abou their relationship with Palm, and their relationship with developers, they damn well should filter it Sep 03 03:48:11 * halfhalo is keeping quite about his p|c feelings Sep 03 03:48:31 funkatron: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/22857110694 Sep 03 03:48:38 they aren't reporting on Guantanomo Bay prisoner abuse. Sep 03 03:48:41 the whole *central network is a bit... *ahem* Sep 03 03:49:13 the androidcentral team's done a bunch of stupid articles too Sep 03 03:49:39 like the supposed flash 10.1 hack for Eclair? yeah, that actually broke a lot of people's flash when they upgraded to froyo (and also didn't work!) Sep 03 03:49:47 classy Sep 03 03:50:12 speaking of Flash... weren't we supposed to get that 7 months ago? Sep 03 03:50:19 yes Sep 03 03:50:20 Flash sucks anyway. Sep 03 03:50:24 if they bothered to, oh, I don't know, test it before posting, they'd have at least discovered it didn't work. And then when alerted to the problem, they still never fixed the article Sep 03 03:50:35 yeah, not complaining, we're better of without it Sep 03 03:50:40 Reporting is hard Sep 03 03:51:38 halfhalo: what info got leaked, the keyboard stuff? Sep 03 03:51:42 yeah Sep 03 03:51:43 rwhitby: did precentral break the NDA? Sep 03 03:51:45 yeah Sep 03 03:51:54 precentral didn't, someone tipped them Sep 03 03:51:57 supposedly Sep 03 03:52:01 bummer Sep 03 03:52:18 although I guess... if you're under NDA as well... wouldn't it be breaking NDA even if someone else told you about it? Sep 03 03:52:20 Palm should have put each of the precentral writers under NDA. Sep 03 03:52:36 VincentLaw: no, only the person under the NDA Sep 03 03:52:55 funkatron: re-read lol. I said if the person writing it was also under said NDA Sep 03 03:53:00 didn't Derek or Keith say on the PalmCast that they were in the early access group? Sep 03 03:53:03 that is, if "Derek Kessler" is also in it Sep 03 03:53:09 VincentLaw: reading is not my strong suit Sep 03 03:53:16 even if he didn't find the info, he should still be liable for posting about it Sep 03 03:53:29 rwhitby: it was keith who said that Sep 03 03:53:33 And Jason is a PreCentral writer who should give his co-editors better advice on that Sep 03 03:53:37 I love how those douchebags watermarked an image of aliases Monaco text http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/1852/2010/08/virtual-keyboard.png Sep 03 03:53:47 but he said he "went on and downloaded it" before it was out Sep 03 03:54:09 funkatron: lol Sep 03 03:54:13 i didnt notice Sep 03 03:54:17 aliased even Sep 03 03:54:20 but yeah, c'mon Sep 03 03:54:22 they dont want it to be stolen! Sep 03 03:54:25 lmao Sep 03 03:54:49 like my mom would say, "this is why we can't have nice things" Sep 03 03:55:13 or my mom "this is why we can't have things" Sep 03 03:55:15 :P Sep 03 03:55:51 via precentral "... and may reopen admission to the Early Access Program in the future. For the sake of all developers, we hope that happens soon." What jackasses Sep 03 03:56:02 haha Sep 03 03:56:05 I can't believe that statement Sep 03 03:56:28 who's the jackasses ? Sep 03 03:56:28 hey, PC, don't fuck us over then. Sep 03 03:56:48 best comment http://www.precentral.net/virtual-keyboard-reference-found-webos-20-sdk#comment-115414 Sep 03 03:57:07 hah Sep 03 03:57:25 lol Sep 03 03:58:10 * halfhalo senses a mass developer exodus from p|c Sep 03 03:58:24 that site always felt sleazy to me Sep 03 03:58:40 yeah, that was a pretty dumb move on their part. They've had it good with Palm. Sep 03 03:58:40 like, even when I first started poking around in May 2009 Sep 03 03:59:29 I was a fan for about 3 months or so, but then my opinion slowly started to go down Sep 03 04:00:03 yeah, even the new hp guys (rahul and mckinney) give them shout outs too everyonce in a while. this just tainted their image Sep 03 04:00:20 * dgathright is glad he doesn't go by "derek" anymore in this room Sep 03 04:00:25 haha Sep 03 04:00:45 is it just me or is the post written as if they received a tip about this file, and went and /looked themselves/? Sep 03 04:01:59 I dunno what we expected. Dudes can't even fucking use a Dropbox shared folder correctly. Sep 03 04:02:22 * funkatron watches people unzip files in the Dropbox folder again, and again, and again Sep 03 04:02:23 damn "10 files were deleted from your dropbox folder" Sep 03 04:02:29 halfhalo: too bad the wor forums suck Sep 03 04:02:45 we should just take screenshots of fake code and tip them. Sep 03 04:02:48 what makes dropbox so confusing to use ? Sep 03 04:03:00 bpadalino: people download hte software :) Sep 03 04:03:05 instead of clicking a link on the web Sep 03 04:03:22 ah Sep 03 04:03:33 well, it sucks a few people, screwed up things for the rest of us Sep 03 04:03:49 drag and move a file instead of right-click drag to copy it to a new location Sep 03 04:03:54 oil: set up forums on internals! Sep 03 04:04:00 lol Sep 03 04:04:20 would solve all problems Sep 03 04:05:37 submitted to precentral: new WebOS 2.0 feature: HOSTS file block of precentral.net on all Palm devices Sep 03 04:05:37 :P Sep 03 04:05:50 HAH Sep 03 04:05:51 heh Sep 03 04:05:56 lol Sep 03 04:05:59 okay, enough spewing of venom for one night Sep 03 04:06:09 ttyl folx! Sep 03 04:06:10 meh, not for me! Sep 03 04:06:58 halfhalo is full of vomit? Sep 03 04:07:15 .. Sep 03 04:07:28 drinking a warm beer Sep 03 04:27:42 SineOt continues on here :P Sep 03 04:28:04 well of course :P Sep 03 04:28:19 anyway, I don't think it's dumb. It doesn't matter if it was a single letter that was leaked, it's still a leak. it's the principle of the matter here Sep 03 04:28:37 ouch just saw the leak/freeze info Sep 03 04:28:39 palm should put the same effort into it as they would for any other level of leak Sep 03 04:28:45 that blows for the people in the queue Sep 03 04:28:50 thanks asshole! Sep 03 04:28:51 I've followed Apple leaks for years, so seeing this kind of response over two lines of conf stuff just kind of seems a little out of proportion, at least with urging that Palm put their full legal might into it Sep 03 04:28:56 nda is nda. respect it Sep 03 04:29:03 pandora--: WebOSDev said that anyone in queue will remain in queue Sep 03 04:29:30 stay in the queue but halted on admissions? Sep 03 04:29:40 or stay in the moving queue and no more additions to it? Sep 03 04:29:57 Actually, rereading it that's really poorly worded Sep 03 04:30:03 yeah Sep 03 04:30:06 "Because of the leak, we are freezing new admissions to early access for the time being. If you're in queue, you're going to stay in queue" Sep 03 04:30:08 a little ambiguous Sep 03 04:30:27 It either means that new additions to the queue are closed and those already in it will get access, or that the queue is frozen Sep 03 04:30:35 bummer for those people because someone wanted to be the cool guy with inside scoop Sep 03 04:30:41 glad got the link from chuq today =) Sep 03 04:31:16 isn't part of the NDA that you're not supposed to say you're in EA? Sep 03 04:31:26 VincentLaw: probably Sep 03 04:31:42 i think so Sep 03 04:31:48 i haven't said either way Sep 03 04:31:49 :) Sep 03 04:31:56 :P Sep 03 04:32:14 why pandora--, are you under an NDA? ;p Sep 03 04:32:15 but if you're in, you (would) see other common names that are used in irc in the forums Sep 03 04:32:23 i would /suspect/ at least Sep 03 04:32:55 * pandora-- goes by ncavesoft on the palm dev forums, fwiw Sep 03 04:33:06 the public forums of course Sep 03 04:34:41 what is EA? Sep 03 04:34:53 but yes, i believe the nda prohibits you from talking about it or your access to it Sep 03 04:34:57 LoneStar99: Early Access Sep 03 04:37:16 pandora--: oh ok Sep 03 04:38:30 no link here, I was only kidding, was in queue, but now with this whole thing, will just work backwards on the earliest SDK 1.0.0 Sep 03 04:39:08 instead of making my apps better will make them worse... everything in reverse Sep 03 04:39:23 lol Sep 03 04:39:39 "@webOSdev: for the record, I don't blame precentral here. I blame whoever leaked it to precentral. who you blame is up to you." Sep 03 04:39:50 don't worry chuq, we'll blame them for you Sep 03 04:39:57 lols Sep 03 04:39:57 yup Sep 03 04:40:05 BLAME BLAME BLAME Sep 03 04:40:08 * oil joins halfhalos forums Sep 03 04:40:25 * halfhalo doesn't have forums related to webos Sep 03 04:40:35 ... Sep 03 04:40:37 uh oh Sep 03 04:40:43 oil just leaked your secret webos forums Sep 03 04:40:52 lol Sep 03 04:41:11 next release is 0.1 reintroducing animated gifs into a mobile app http://www.e-pond.info/images/frog.gif Sep 03 04:41:23 Oh Sep 03 04:41:24 Oh Sep 03 04:41:25 Oh Sep 03 04:41:33 Go to forum.brighthand.com Sep 03 04:41:57 ? Sep 03 04:42:11 must admit i do have an animated gif in my apps Sep 03 04:42:14 forums for mobile stuff Sep 03 04:42:44 good site, although empty Sep 03 04:42:44 brb Sep 03 04:42:46 I have an entire app that's just an animated gif Sep 03 04:43:10 *snort* http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/wp-content/uploads//2010/06/jif-logo.gif it's a jif gif Sep 03 04:43:39 oh lord the puns Sep 03 04:44:18 that webos forum is super stale Sep 03 04:46:10 cripes! why am I up so late? Sep 03 04:46:27 how late is it? Sep 03 04:46:48 is it sad that this leak might likely get /more/ press than the actual web 2.0 announcement? Sep 03 04:47:10 VincentLaw: not really, that's how any leak goes the moment there's an official response to it Sep 03 04:47:10 sugardave: really is your animated gif app under NDA? Sep 03 04:47:39 it's why Apple doesn't do anything on a lot of leaks any more Sep 03 04:47:57 if this was apple though, they'd go "there's no such code in no such SDK in no such device" Sep 03 04:48:06 aka, deny deny deny Sep 03 04:48:07 no, they'd just never say anything about it Sep 03 04:48:11 LoneStar99: no Sep 03 04:48:21 it's been available for a long time Sep 03 04:48:26 Hardware specs for unreleased hardware show up in Apple config files all the time Sep 03 04:48:51 sugardave: really just one huge animated gif? Sep 03 04:49:05 sugardave: is it a rainbow flashlight app? :P Sep 03 04:49:06 <3 yule log Sep 03 04:49:23 * VincentLaw suddenly gets the idea to make a double rainbow app Sep 03 04:49:25 like the iPad being iProd1,1 for the longest time. No comment, nothing, no denial, no confirmation, people just speculate and go "wonder what that is" Sep 03 04:49:33 2 gifs, slightly offset, animated rainbow Sep 03 04:49:53 sugardave: it is the yule log... from back in the day Sep 03 04:49:58 iPod Nano getting slapped with a C&D when photos came out? All over the place with "Apple's new iPod!" Sep 03 04:50:08 indeed Sep 03 04:50:12 sugardave: early2010 Sep 03 04:50:14 THE Yule Log Sep 03 04:50:21 too much drama Sep 03 04:50:29 sugardave: nice! Sep 03 04:51:07 sugardave: does it overclock the CPU to 1.2ghz and peg it at 100% CPU Sep 03 04:51:12 thus, a nice warm fire? :D Sep 03 04:51:13 theres a reason I suggested brighthand Sep 03 04:51:24 I can't imagine what fantasticness might occur with Yule Log on webOS 2.0 Sep 03 04:51:26 their part of technologyguide.com Sep 03 04:51:32 which is owned by techtarget Sep 03 04:51:41 which also owns ajaxian.com Sep 03 04:51:44 halfhalo: oh i thought that they belong to brighthouse labs :S Sep 03 04:51:56 lol no Sep 03 04:52:00 :P Sep 03 04:52:02 sugardave: the log can talk in 2.0? Sep 03 04:52:29 hmm... Sep 03 04:52:35 realistic flame crackles Sep 03 04:52:41 I already have that :D Sep 03 04:52:41 sugardave: kinda like the "singing bush" but the talking log Sep 03 04:52:45 sugardave: Use Node to pass messages directly between two phones running Yule Log and sync up the crackles. Sep 03 04:52:55 brighthand is also a sister site to _the_ largest notebook forum EVAR Sep 03 04:52:58 there we go Sep 03 04:52:59 LoneStar99: some religious entities might have problems with that lol Sep 03 04:53:06 burning bush... talking... Sep 03 04:53:29 commandment #11: thou shalt not break thy NDA. Sep 03 04:53:30 actually that'd be kind of cool if there's some microphone apis so you could blow out the other person's Yule Log :I competition is good :I Sep 03 04:53:36 what if the log can give advice? Sep 03 04:54:06 like the 8 ball? :P Sep 03 04:54:17 ooh ooh, Sep 03 04:54:20 use the mic Sep 03 04:54:22 blow on the flames Sep 03 04:54:25 makes them bigger flames Sep 03 04:54:53 yeah Sep 03 04:55:23 someone should make a tamagatchi knockoff. Sep 03 04:55:38 hah Sep 03 04:55:56 VincentLaw: no shit, that is actually a very good idea... just need the voice API... Sep 03 04:56:03 oh man, that would be the perfect C project for me to learn Sep 03 04:56:20 haha Sep 03 04:56:45 oh if you want to go crazy with voice API, you could do like seaman on the dreamcast >.> Sep 03 04:56:48 that was totally successful Sep 03 04:57:01 furby emulator Sep 03 04:57:36 furbOS Sep 03 04:58:17 or perhaps, furbulator Sep 03 05:00:14 I just realized Sep 03 05:00:22 chuq's having a pretty late night Sep 03 05:00:30 its only 10 Sep 03 05:00:31 :p Sep 03 05:00:45 that's not late to be up, but late to be working? :P Sep 03 05:01:28 chuq is online? Sep 03 05:02:02 I assume he's running the twitter :P Sep 03 05:02:10 I guess it could be someone else manning it Sep 03 05:02:46 and he's on the forums running around so :P Sep 03 05:04:00 well unlike him I'm not getting paid to stay awake so I'm going to bed :P Sep 03 05:08:56 laters VincentLaw Sep 03 05:20:27 morning Sep 03 05:23:28 morning swisstomcat Sep 03 05:23:51 mornin' Sep 03 05:24:00 mornin Sep 03 05:27:33 swisstomcat: so you know some dude leaked some specs on pre central about 2.0 and all hell broke lose Sep 03 05:28:01 i heard *sucks* Sep 03 05:28:21 what part of non disclosure agreement don't these people understand? Sep 03 05:28:28 non Sep 03 05:31:15 Good morning Sep 03 05:32:11 morning hotdp Sep 03 05:36:13 mornin Sep 03 05:38:50 got to make duck tape wallets this weekend Sep 03 05:39:05 in the end it's probably a good thing for Palm. It's an obvious feature (tablet), we still have zero idea if it's going to be on the phones, they get publicity, and they are able to tighten the reigns a little. Sep 03 05:39:52 ? Sep 03 05:40:42 hotdp: Someone leaked a snippet of code to PreCentral that alluded to a virtual keyboard. Sep 03 05:41:10 that's basically my take on it Sep 03 05:41:19 it'll get people talking about what Palm is working on Sep 03 05:41:39 Can't wait to hear iphone fanboys say "Since when is a virtual keyboard a feature? We've had that for years. Hah!" Well, it isn't. IMO a virtual keybaord is a downgrade to what we have now. Sep 03 05:41:42 lol i am just reading that Sep 03 05:42:18 i think it is bad with people not keeping the NDA :S Sep 03 05:42:18 who's awake? Sep 03 05:42:20 A nice virtual keyboard is nice, though. Stuff like the HTC Android keyboard comes to mind. Sep 03 05:42:32 then Palm will not give access another time Sep 03 05:42:37 awake Sep 03 05:42:51 its so hot in my apt I can't sleep Sep 03 05:43:00 SineOt: Sure it's nice, I still prefer a physical one though. Sep 03 05:43:07 Guess i'll download the sdk Sep 03 05:43:09 drink a cold beer Sep 03 05:43:14 wish I had beer. Sep 03 05:44:19 I try to make beer an occasional thing lest I fall into alcoholism Sep 03 05:47:15 so how the heck do I install the sdk once I've copied the folder over :( Sep 03 05:47:27 Anivrom: hear that Sep 03 05:47:35 omg Sep 03 05:47:41 NDA people? Sep 03 05:47:42 The upside to this is, if the virtual keyboard really is on the phone, then that means Palm is holding stuff back from even the early access peeps (since modifying that value does nothing). Rahul tweeted there was more to this release that hasn't been announced. Sep 03 05:47:45 I will say that if it is a tablet slate device, it'd be kind of hard to do a physical keyboard anyways Sep 03 05:48:00 how is that breaking nda? Sep 03 05:48:19 this is a puplic forum Sep 03 05:48:20 #1 rule of NDAs, you can't even discuss you have an NDA Sep 03 05:48:30 so if you have 2.0 you can not talk about it Sep 03 05:48:36 hotdp: you don't even know if he's talking about installing the 2.0 SDK Sep 03 05:48:38 i bet is the Voice API is gonna be released Sep 03 05:48:41 I never said 2.0... Sep 03 05:48:42 there's a 1.x SDK too Sep 03 05:48:43 you did Sep 03 05:48:51 so YOU broke nda Sep 03 05:48:58 lol Sep 03 05:49:00 :P Sep 03 05:49:30 voice is the API that is missing Sep 03 05:50:05 dgathright: yeah, it's obvious that it's just one line that got left in on accident (or on purpose ~conspiracy theories~) Sep 03 05:50:12 swisstomcat: you around? Sep 03 05:50:31 LoneStar99: As in an API that does text to speech, and/or speech to text? Sep 03 05:50:45 as in an API that lets you use the microphone for stuff Sep 03 05:50:46 both Sep 03 05:50:55 or that I guess Sep 03 05:51:05 All I want is bloody voice command functionality that even 10 year old phones have Sep 03 05:51:13 lonestar: aye Sep 03 05:51:16 dgathright: i already have the text 2 speech worked out Sep 03 05:51:40 LoneStar99: on device would be more preferable than internetz Sep 03 05:51:49 "Please say a command" "Check Voicemail" "Battery level is 87%" "CHECK VOICEMAIL" "Calling House" "FFFFFF" Sep 03 05:51:59 yeah, that's a peice of cake. Speech to text.. hell, Google can't even get that right. Google Voice is horrible with voicemail transcripts Sep 03 05:52:05 dgathright: http://urloid.com/bc4 Sep 03 05:52:40 Nice Sep 03 05:52:48 The Voice commands in Android are terrible. "Call " ends up pulling up a Google Map of... ?_? Sep 03 05:53:18 Yeah. But, HP has some pretty smart researchers, so never know, they might be ahead of Google in this. Sep 03 05:53:39 swisstomcat: what is the name of the group again for that music? Sep 03 05:53:48 scala Sep 03 05:53:52 thanks Sep 03 05:55:30 grrrrrrr how does a windows guy open a .deb file Sep 03 05:55:39 vm! Sep 03 05:55:47 no! Sep 03 05:56:27 why did you download the .deb? :B Sep 03 05:56:42 It was included Sep 03 05:56:54 anivrom: 7zip? Sep 03 05:56:57 I dont see any other files that are usable for the sdk Sep 03 05:57:31 there shoudl be exe's Sep 03 05:57:39 orly Sep 03 05:57:44 I cant find thems Sep 03 05:58:22 heh Sep 03 05:58:30 It never coped it for some reason Sep 03 05:58:30 * halfhalo shrugs Sep 03 05:58:38 * halfhalo has cheeese Sep 03 05:58:52 oooo cheese :x Sep 03 05:58:54 what kind Sep 03 05:59:02 sharp cheddar Sep 03 05:59:09 hmm Sep 03 05:59:15 I prefer a mild blend myself Sep 03 05:59:30 don't have any mild Sep 03 05:59:34 only sharp right now Sep 03 05:59:46 the older cheddar gets the more wrong it smells Sep 03 06:00:12 http://uoid.me/t2v453 Sep 03 06:02:20 sharp is pretty good Sep 03 06:04:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7KZmmieVMA lol Sep 03 06:07:08 Anivrom LOL! Sep 03 06:07:20 how thats sharp cheddar Sep 03 06:08:37 is booting newly downloaded "files" for the first time Sep 03 06:08:40 oooooh Sep 03 06:08:44 aaaaaaaah Sep 03 06:27:56 Does anybody have an opinion on the leak on P|C front page? Sep 03 06:28:28 Yes Sep 03 06:28:35 I think it is very bad Sep 03 06:28:56 link? Sep 03 06:29:06 * dgathright is telling on Anivrom Sep 03 06:29:09 Yea. Just go to the front page. Sep 03 06:29:14 front page of what? Sep 03 06:29:16 oh duh Sep 03 06:29:23 I think dgathright said it best with "in the end it's probably a good thing for Palm. It's an obvious feature (tablet), we still have zero idea if it's going to be on the phones, they get publicity, and they are able to tighten the reigns a little." Sep 03 06:29:48 But it is not good that Palm can not trust devs! Sep 03 06:30:00 I agree Sine0ut but it hurts a lot of developers out there. Sep 03 06:30:04 Yea Sep 03 06:30:09 reposting from previous comment... Sep 03 06:30:11 dgathright: in the end it's probably a good thing for Palm. It's an obvious feature (tablet), we still have zero idea if it's going to be on the phones, they get publicity, and they are able to tighten the reigns a little. Sep 03 06:30:17 I think they should be able to trust the devs not to spill features Sep 03 06:30:26 dgathright: The upside to this is, if the virtual keyboard really is on the phone, then that means Palm is holding stuff back from even the early access peeps (since modifying that value does nothing). Rahul tweeted there was more to this release that hasn't been announced. Sep 03 06:30:29 poor form for p|c Sep 03 06:30:40 agreed Sep 03 06:31:51 I wonder if the reporter (Derek) or P|C will be in trouble for this though/ Sep 03 06:31:56 ?* Sep 03 06:32:18 http://www.precentral.net/bell-slashes-plan-costs-pre-again-can-be-had-35-month Sep 03 06:32:25 * Anivrom is on this plan and it rockssssss Sep 03 06:33:08 Yea, saw that. Sep 03 06:33:18 Does Bell have 1.4.5? Sep 03 06:33:25 was the first to have it Sep 03 06:33:29 in North america Sep 03 06:33:31 define "in trouble". PreCentral typically has it pretty good with Palm relations. But that relationship may be a little tarnished. But I doubt any legal issues are brought up with this. It wasn't that serious. Sep 03 06:33:55 Anivrom: Im jealous... Sep 03 06:34:32 yeah, it's not something I'd think was a serious leak. It's two lines of config, and it isn't like... Hardware getting described in explicit detail along with pictures, that sort of thing Sep 03 06:34:58 Yea, nice to know, but not a lot to find out. Sep 03 06:36:03 "BrightnessOutdoorScale=250" Would that be some sort of Auto brightness adjustment? Last 2 lines of code... Sep 03 06:37:01 The only thing we learned from this is that some devs can't keep their mouths shut. We learned nothing about upcoming webOS features that we didn't already know. Sep 03 06:37:03 Gu1l7y_work: prolly uses the screen sensor which I believe is controlled by light, not sure though Sep 03 06:38:43 http://failblog.org/page/9/ 2nd one down Sep 03 06:38:52 * Anivrom is speechless Sep 03 06:39:57 dgathright: spot on! Sep 03 06:40:14 they just lost trust to us. And devs might not get acces another time Sep 03 06:41:03 That'd be worse in the long run though right? Sep 03 06:44:13 Yeah, that's possible. The glass half full view is that Palm has a track record of being awesome to developers, and they need us for testing/feedback, so this won't harm us much. They aren't Apple and have unlimited resources. Sep 03 06:44:29 but, I guess we'll see... Sep 03 06:48:02 I think I might make a high end desktop defense clone for webos next Sep 03 07:00:25 no it wasn't serious, luckily Sep 03 07:00:34 oh noes vkeyboard! Sep 03 07:00:39 which everyone expected anyways Sep 03 07:01:20 which kind of makes me wonder even more if Palm purposefully left it in there Sep 03 07:01:22 Hope they find the traitor :P Sep 03 07:01:44 either as a means to generate press, or a an excuse to lock down the early access Sep 03 07:02:16 it just doesn't make much sense for every other mention of a virtual keyboard's existence to disappear, but to leave in something that so blatantly states it Sep 03 07:10:03 SineOt like when Aplle "lost" the phone on a bar? Sep 03 07:10:29 heyo Sep 03 07:10:52 anyone else having an issue where the pre doesn't seem to give calendar alerts? Sep 03 07:10:55 I think that kind of falls into a different category, since it ended up with lawsuits over theft of private property and stuff like that, and Gawker/Gizmodo being well, retards Sep 03 07:11:12 :) Sep 03 07:11:21 I meant more along the lines of like, the seemingly little leaks where some update to the iOS mentions "iProd1,1" and stuff Sep 03 07:11:42 iFPGA1,1 and iProd2,1 are the current mystery devices right now I think Sep 03 07:12:00 first one being completely unknown, and the second most likely being an iPad refresh Sep 03 07:12:33 but they're none the less left in the plists for the iOS updates, and probably so on purpose because Apple knows it'll get people talking and it won't really give away much on what's going on Sep 03 07:12:35 :p Sep 03 07:13:31 * Anivrom wants to watch inception again Sep 03 07:14:29 saw it a few days ago Sep 03 07:14:30 the best Sep 03 07:14:32 ever Sep 03 07:15:06 yep Sep 03 07:15:20 I even got myself my very own totem Sep 03 07:15:24 Wanna know what it is? Sep 03 07:16:14 your palm pre's slider mechanism? Sep 03 07:16:42 No, its my app! if I open it, and it has no bugs, I'm dreaming and I need a kick! Sep 03 07:16:45 lol Sep 03 07:17:29 totem? Sep 03 07:17:43 oh oh from the movie Sep 03 07:17:48 inception reference Sep 03 07:17:52 * pandora-- nods Sep 03 07:17:54 :P Sep 03 07:18:00 so yea. its perfect Sep 03 07:18:11 was thinking of the totem rappeling device Sep 03 07:18:19 ... Sep 03 07:18:29 ya.. nm Sep 03 07:18:35 I should go to sleep. Got a wedding to go to tomorrow Sep 03 07:19:13 http://www.bogley.com/forum/files/rappeldevice.jpg Sep 03 07:19:17 the blue one in top right Sep 03 07:19:21 is a totem Sep 03 07:19:38 I see. Sep 03 07:19:41 but anyways, inception! Sep 03 07:19:43 hm Sep 03 07:19:45 * Anivrom stares blankly Sep 03 07:19:52 my totem would be something cool Sep 03 07:19:55 * Anivrom blinks Sep 03 07:21:17 heh Sep 03 07:22:00 skyping with india Sep 03 07:22:01 ppl are gettting so heated in the comments of the frontpage of p Sep 03 07:22:03 |C Sep 03 07:22:08 yay Sep 03 07:22:27 uneventful midnight Sep 03 07:22:31 I had a random girl from taiwan skype me. we became good friends Sep 03 07:22:49 hah it's with a partner company Sep 03 07:22:56 unfortunately Sep 03 07:23:09 cool stuff... Sep 03 07:23:19 easiest to do it at this time for me since it's day time for them Sep 03 07:23:28 "its possible, its just bloody well difficult" Sep 03 07:24:33 there's soooooooooo many fantasy mmo's out now. Sep 03 07:24:55 heh Sep 03 07:25:53 i've been playing mafia II Sep 03 07:25:57 pretty good Sep 03 07:28:26 hmm Sep 03 07:29:00 is there really not that much voltage difference between a 600 mhz and a 1 ghz overclock Sep 03 07:31:36 torchie_pre: prolly not Sep 03 07:31:42 torchie_pre: but enough to lock my pre :( Sep 03 07:31:50 i can't even clock mine to 550 Sep 03 07:31:52 locks Sep 03 07:31:58 wow Sep 03 07:32:00 lames Sep 03 07:32:08 :( Sep 03 07:32:18 I'm on 1ghz right now Sep 03 07:32:31 though i thought it was interesting that when i ran Govnah on my wife's Pixi it reported that it was running at 600mhz Sep 03 07:32:33 out of the box Sep 03 07:32:52 i didn't clock it or do anything but install govnah to see Sep 03 07:33:19 might just go back to palm default Sep 03 07:33:37 battery life is getting increasingly necessary Sep 03 07:34:01 haha Sep 03 07:34:05 heh Sep 03 07:34:12 my pre battery is bad enough at 500 Sep 03 07:34:16 pandora--: the Pixi is clocked at 600mhz out of the box Sep 03 07:34:17 gotta save atleast 40% for angry birds right? Sep 03 07:34:19 yeah realy Sep 03 07:34:24 so there's nothing too fancy there Sep 03 07:34:25 really* Sep 03 07:34:26 SineOt: wasn't aware of that :) Sep 03 07:34:37 lol I'm too poor for angry birds Sep 03 07:34:48 angrybirds is the best thing ever Sep 03 07:34:50 o rly Sep 03 07:34:52 I have a Pixi, I can't even play Angry Birds :) Sep 03 07:34:53 it's worth $2 Sep 03 07:34:58 is it really Sep 03 07:34:59 I would buy it for you if I could Sep 03 07:35:01 the best Sep 03 07:35:02 It's so good Sep 03 07:35:06 torchie_pre: yes Sep 03 07:35:15 bloody annoying Sep 03 07:35:24 at times Sep 03 07:35:28 1ghz still doesn't bring a brother to ball busting smoothness Sep 03 07:35:33 Angry Birds on the iPad is the best Sep 03 07:35:48 torchie_pre: hardware css. webos2.0 Sep 03 07:35:53 better frame rate on the Pre though Sep 03 07:35:57 gonna be sweeeeeeet when we get those Sep 03 07:36:01 slightly Sep 03 07:36:08 slightly what? Sep 03 07:36:23 2.0 is getting hardware css? Sep 03 07:36:29 .................. Sep 03 07:36:31 pandora Sep 03 07:36:37 Did I just hear what I thought I did Sep 03 07:36:46 i dunno when its getting hardware css transforms Sep 03 07:36:57 hardware accelerated CSS Sep 03 07:36:59 but i read it somewhere on PC Sep 03 07:37:01 * Anivrom wets pants Sep 03 07:37:05 yeah Sep 03 07:37:11 well will the UI at least be ball bustingly smooth Sep 03 07:37:13 was announced at the Dev Days in April. Sep 03 07:37:15 that's all I want Sep 03 07:37:15 i don't know if it coincides with webos2.0 Sep 03 07:37:32 but 2.0 is also supposed to have a faster js runtime Sep 03 07:37:43 I used an old 8gb ipod touch and it's like Sep 03 07:37:45 my god Sep 03 07:37:53 which the fancy folks that have the 2.0 sdk would know about first hand Sep 03 07:37:56 this destroys everything Sep 03 07:37:57 Yea cause its C torchie Sep 03 07:38:13 C is greased lightning compared to software javascript LOL Sep 03 07:38:13 yeah and hardware accelerated UI right? Sep 03 07:38:21 yeah Sep 03 07:38:26 so palm is getting there Sep 03 07:38:26 maybe Sep 03 07:38:29 it has the hardware Sep 03 07:38:33 the software is catching up Sep 03 07:38:37 "we have the technology" Sep 03 07:38:40 we should just always write everything in C Sep 03 07:38:43 ugh Sep 03 07:38:44 no Sep 03 07:38:47 yuck Sep 03 07:38:53 yuck indeed Sep 03 07:39:01 yes its faster, but the tech stack sucks balls compared to webos Sep 03 07:39:14 does it really Sep 03 07:39:15 webos dev is a breath of fresh air Sep 03 07:39:17 webos "web technology" is awesome Sep 03 07:39:23 torchie_pre: it actually sucks on balls, yes Sep 03 07:40:51 I'll just cross my fingers for hardware css on sprint pre Sep 03 07:41:04 it wouldnt matter the carrier lol Sep 03 07:41:18 * Anivrom is watching inception again Sep 03 07:41:50 Is it allready on dvd? Sep 03 07:41:58 well if every other carrier's got the pre plus... Sep 03 07:42:09 maybe sprint'll get the shaft Sep 03 07:42:10 JavaScript can be competitive with C, depending on the JS engine. Nodejs for example, which runs on V8, can compete in certain benchmarks with Nginx (highly optimized C web server). Sep 03 07:42:39 Node kicks the crap out of Apache Sep 03 07:42:52 it all depends on how it is written Sep 03 07:43:07 ok Sep 03 07:43:10 pandora--: google search Sep 03 07:43:15 done skyping with india Sep 03 07:43:22 Anivrom: google what? Sep 03 07:44:47 done skyping for work, time to sleeps Sep 03 08:13:06 dgathright: node scales better than other web servers Sep 03 08:13:16 because it's event based Sep 03 08:15:16 someone in here the other day say "Node can't scale worth crap. It maxes out at 10k connections" at which point I lol'd. Dude obviously had no idea wtf he was saying Sep 03 08:15:40 are you going to the palm node.js event? Sep 03 08:16:20 probably not, I'm in LA. I'd fly up for a weekend event, but not for a few hours on a weeknight. Sep 03 08:32:29 well I think I'm tired enough to get some sleep again. Sep 03 08:32:34 night Sep 03 08:58:16 Anivrom: will you pay Verizon to push me the update AND buy Angry Birds for me? Please? lol Sep 03 08:58:51 Anivrom: How bout you buy it for me... and find a 1.4.5 doctor for VZW while your at it... Sep 03 08:59:02 he is not here Sep 03 08:59:30 Gu1l7y_work what are you tlaking about? Sep 03 09:49:44 stop messing with the dropbox! Sep 03 09:54:37 You'd think developers might be smart about this dropbox stuff... but apparently not Sep 03 09:58:48 swisstomcat has someone deleted the files? Sep 03 10:24:51 hotdp: it seems like Sep 03 10:34:37 omg Sep 03 10:45:34 someone is putting back the files Sep 03 10:54:43 chuq.. don't y ou think? Sep 03 10:55:04 i don't think he's up yet Sep 03 10:56:59 ohh Sep 03 11:33:18 morning Sep 03 11:35:52 morning' Sep 03 11:37:57 hows swisstomcat Sep 03 11:40:06 good Sep 03 11:48:56 anyone would know what causes this kinf of error : "Failed to fin scroller for element, although one might wonder why it is a requirement" ? Sep 03 11:49:08 s/fin/find Sep 03 11:53:13 s/kinf/kind Sep 03 11:56:41 hmm Sep 03 11:56:56 is it just a warning? Sep 03 12:03:11 I dunno... I'm trying to create a list widget but it stays empty for now Sep 03 12:03:29 are you looking at webos101? Sep 03 12:03:34 it is a warning though Sep 03 12:03:43 hotdp: I am Sep 03 12:03:48 oki Sep 03 12:04:00 can't figure out why my list won't work Sep 03 12:04:31 is it the same as on the site? Sep 03 12:05:01 famic: can you share some code about your list? Sep 03 12:05:09 yer Sep 03 12:05:59 sec Sep 03 12:08:51 http://pastebin.com/y6vdHrKW Sep 03 12:10:33 Are you using Ares? Sep 03 12:10:37 nope Sep 03 12:10:49 row-template.html you have? Sep 03 12:11:15 yes, it's included in the pastebin Sep 03 12:11:23 sry Sep 03 12:13:32 its a little different then what i used to Sep 03 12:13:50 any clue on what I'm doing wrong ? Sep 03 12:14:02 you don't need some attributes? Sep 03 12:14:31 What's the #{-listElements} for? Sep 03 12:14:57 I have no idea... thought it was required Sep 03 12:15:01 swisstomcat good eyes Sep 03 12:15:14 i don't think it's required Sep 03 12:15:17 i use:
Sep 03 12:15:36 list elements are for "list template" Sep 03 12:15:47 and you don't use that attribute Sep 03 12:16:54 anyway, I added that in hope it'd begin working but it wasn't before Sep 03 12:17:31 what is mandatory in order to have a list widget ? Sep 03 12:17:54 what i posted is about it Sep 03 12:17:56 and a row template Sep 03 12:18:02 attributes and a model Sep 03 12:18:30 it seems to me I have all that and nothing populates my list Sep 03 12:18:39 any error? Sep 03 12:19:17 I have a weird warning that says: "Failed to find scroller for element, although one might wonder why it is a requirement" ? Sep 03 12:20:34 -------------------------------- Sep 03 12:20:36 L'indicible Sep 03 12:20:38 Création graphique & Sites web Sep 03 12:20:40 -------------------------------- Sep 03 12:20:42 Matthieu LARCHER Sep 03 12:20:43 oops Sep 03 12:20:44 tél. : 06 60 99 24 19 Sep 03 12:20:46 e-mail : mlarcher@lindicible.com Sep 03 12:20:48 site : http://www.lindicible.com Sep 03 12:20:50 -------------------------------- Sep 03 12:21:04 nevermind Sep 03 12:22:24 error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'levelSelector' setup(): Error: require Failed: Failed to find scroller for element, although one might wonder why it is a requirement." Sep 03 12:22:36 parlez francais? Sep 03 12:22:47 bien sur Sep 03 12:29:31 any hint? Sep 03 12:30:07 doesn't work? Sep 03 12:30:10 no errors? Sep 03 12:30:22 I have "error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'levelSelector' setup(): Error: require Failed: Failed to find scroller for element, although one might wonder why it is a requirement." Sep 03 12:31:30 and my
stays empty Sep 03 12:33:28 what if you just leave the list stuff inside the html and remove the rest? Sep 03 12:33:55 what do you mean ? Sep 03 12:35:57 just leave
in your scene's html and remove the rest Sep 03 12:37:13 I end up with an empty scene Sep 03 12:40:10 still the same error? Sep 03 12:40:39 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-sdk-development-part-2/ Sep 03 12:41:00 this example it has a list too .. try if you can get it to work or if you can see a difference Sep 03 13:03:31 haeffb_pre: !!! Sep 03 13:04:57 no kidding!! Sep 03 13:09:52 well thats what it said anyway. Sep 03 13:10:15 it or she? Sep 03 13:10:21 you asked if i had early dev access the other day. something i should be on the lookout for? Sep 03 13:11:15 nothing of interest to Droid devs... Sep 03 13:11:15 me? Sep 03 13:11:51 dont hate me cause i have a better phone than you do.. Sep 03 13:11:57 ;) Sep 03 13:13:15 haeffb, you on early access? Sep 03 13:14:46 if I were I wouldn't be allowed to say. Sep 03 13:15:16 my understanding is there is some sort if NDA involved. Sep 03 13:15:34 ohh ok Sep 03 13:15:47 I t would only make sense that there is Sep 03 13:16:32 first rule of early access: you're not allowed to say that you're in early access :) Sep 03 13:18:53 lol Sep 03 13:19:54 dbl secret probation for all devs Sep 03 13:21:15 first rule of early access: you're not allowed to say you know the first rule of early access Sep 03 13:22:24 hmm.. Sep 03 13:26:05 yeah. blows your mind, doesn't it? Sep 03 13:27:47 lol Sep 03 14:02:55 I found out where the problem came from : the scene was being pushed with this.controller.pushScene({name: "level", disableScreenScroller: true }); and the list widget requires the screenScroller Sep 03 14:03:08 aha! Sep 03 14:03:09 doh Sep 03 14:04:21 now, any idea why the maxUnlocked var doesn't get updated by the db call (cf http://pastebin.com/y6vdHrKW ) ? Sep 03 14:05:18 the var is defined outside the scope of the transaction Sep 03 14:06:10 but I'm still a bit loss with Mojo's syntax and scopes Sep 03 14:09:07 anyone use foursquare? Sep 03 14:11:45 yeah Sep 03 14:31:55 morning all Sep 03 14:33:00 hey, how do you prevent the system from suspending when your app is running? Sep 03 14:36:49 morning Sep 03 14:36:58 balrog-k2n: let me look it up Sep 03 14:37:46 swisstomcat: thanks, i couldn't find anything on this Sep 03 14:37:49 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797&Itemid=283 Sep 03 14:37:59 "Alert the Power Management service that you are starting an activity that will require the device to stay awake." Sep 03 14:38:29 morning HattCzech_work Sep 03 14:38:41 oh cool, that's the calls i needed i think Sep 03 14:40:57 swisstomcat: do you happen to know if it's possible to just turn off the screen without putting the system to sleep? the app is only using camera and doesn't need screen so i could conserve some power Sep 03 14:41:52 hmm Sep 03 14:42:40 it's possible through /sys but javascript may not have access to that Sep 03 14:43:05 it seems you can only query the status of the display: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1799&Itemid=271 Sep 03 14:43:33 it might be only possible with homebrew Sep 03 14:44:48 worst case i'll need to charge more often Sep 03 14:45:04 thanks anyway Sep 03 14:47:10 since the max activity life is 15 minutes i wonder if i can start a 10 minute activity every 10 minutes with the Power Management service Sep 03 14:47:57 i haven't played with it yet Sep 03 14:48:34 swisstomcat: you use foursquare? Sep 03 14:48:43 yeah Sep 03 14:49:15 is there a way to get it to show further away venues? Sep 03 14:49:15 really I just want to find cool stuff in the area Sep 03 14:49:27 but all it's showing is on-campus venues Sep 03 14:50:06 you can search for venues Sep 03 14:51:09 that's all :(? Sep 03 14:51:53 I was hoping for a map that would just show everything Sep 03 14:56:30 there's a map, but i think it only shows nearby venues Sep 03 15:01:15 yeah :( Sep 03 15:01:50 are there other apps that show cool hthings nearby? Sep 03 15:09:41 awwww.... swisstomcat steals my rule! :) Sep 03 15:09:50 hehe Sep 03 15:27:46 morning everyone Sep 03 15:29:16 morning Sep 03 15:31:31 moring bhodder Sep 03 15:32:31 LoneStar99, do you know what would be a good program to look at to get the basics of the syntax for webos programing Sep 03 15:34:49 bhodder: i can send you the complete code of a working drawing app http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.buildasearch.coloroo.web Sep 03 15:35:48 that app uses "canvas" and would get you on your way to building a more complex app Sep 03 15:36:17 ok that sounds like a good place to start Sep 03 15:36:19 thanks Sep 03 15:36:48 ok will send you a download link in abit Sep 03 15:37:32 thanks Sep 03 15:38:36 bhodder: i'm doing a series of articles on webOS at mobile.tutsplus.com Sep 03 15:38:47 bhodder: it is the zip file http://admin.work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Sep 03 15:38:48 mornin Sep 03 15:38:54 morning Sep 03 15:38:55 morning pandora Sep 03 15:39:01 mornin Sep 03 15:39:56 thnks guys Sep 03 15:40:29 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-sdk-development-part-2/ Sep 03 15:40:35 part 2 has a link to part 1 Sep 03 15:40:42 ok awesome Sep 03 15:41:40 brb Sep 03 15:43:04 ok Sep 03 15:44:04 ping. Sep 03 15:44:36 syn ack Sep 03 15:45:51 swisstomcat: Hey, glad you're here. There's a duplicate key in the german translation. Sep 03 15:45:55 In Relego Sep 03 15:45:59 ouch Sep 03 15:46:14 dundundunnnnn Sep 03 15:46:21 let me pull Sep 03 15:46:24 Also, did you have a chance to throw together an app catalog description of Relego? Sep 03 15:46:28 I'm about to push something. Sep 03 15:46:30 Might want to wait. Sep 03 15:46:32 oh Sep 03 15:46:38 not yet :( 1000 other things Sep 03 15:50:08 I blame oil for all those issues Sep 03 15:51:28 has the leaker been plugged yet? Sep 03 15:51:37 nope Sep 03 15:51:51 shoot em Sep 03 15:51:52 bastard Sep 03 15:51:54 oh, wait Sep 03 15:52:24 if we shoot him then he will just leak MORE! Sep 03 15:53:43 does installing an new SDK overwrite an older one? can't remember... Sep 03 15:54:21 LoneStar99: you are technically supposed to remove an old SDK before installing a new one....I just let apt handle it for me, though Sep 03 15:54:24 and yes Sep 03 15:54:31 I never did Sep 03 15:54:31 it removes the old one and makes the new one "Current" Sep 03 15:54:34 O_o Sep 03 15:55:13 did you think the script to remove an old SDK was just window decration or something? Sep 03 15:55:25 yep Sep 03 15:55:35 exactly what I thought actually. Sep 03 15:55:37 ok will delete old SDK, brb Sep 03 15:56:10 ohh stink I did the same thing Sep 03 15:56:22 so....more info on Hurricane tomorrow, you think? Sep 03 15:56:35 sugardave: where is that remove script? Sep 03 15:56:37 hurricane =? Sep 03 15:56:49 LoneStar99: in Windows, probably can get by with add/remove programs Sep 03 15:56:49 the real one probably :) Sep 03 15:56:55 not the tablet Sep 03 15:57:00 sugardave: ok cool thnks Sep 03 15:57:07 Ya its suppose to come right through moncton here Sep 03 15:57:09 ah I see. hp's version of ipad Sep 03 15:57:35 swisstomcat: hehe, yeah glad I'm not on the east coast Sep 03 15:57:47 he missed the outer banks Sep 03 15:58:00 last time i was there there was a hurricane too .. but it missed too Sep 03 15:58:05 I wonder what would happen if it rolled over Manhattan island Sep 03 15:58:21 yikes Sep 03 15:58:31 have you seen "the day after tomorrow"? Sep 03 15:58:47 no, is that the one where a whole bunch of cataclysms take place? Sep 03 15:58:56 not 2012 Sep 03 15:59:09 but new york gets slammed by a giant wave Sep 03 15:59:11 if its true that 2.0 has hardware excellerated css/ui I'm going to probably leak yellow stuff in my pants Sep 03 15:59:13 yeah, the one where there's a glacier n NY or something? Sep 03 15:59:21 ah Sep 03 15:59:30 I think I remember the trailers for that Sep 03 15:59:33 would be bad Sep 03 15:59:41 it was a not bad movie if you can suspend your disbelief Sep 03 15:59:53 lol ya Sep 03 16:00:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syiwge0r2AQ Sep 03 16:00:49 2012 was nice too Sep 03 16:01:00 if you can suspend your disbelief :) Sep 03 16:01:01 havent seen that one yet Sep 03 16:01:16 N-trig’s Duosense capacitive touch technology allows you to use both pen input and finger based multitouch input. sooooo awesome Sep 03 16:01:16 day after tommorrow, is that with dennis quaid? Sep 03 16:01:22 I hate being limited to touch only Sep 03 16:01:36 After my tungsten T2 I'm used to pen action Sep 03 16:02:16 I remember "The Day After" Sep 03 16:02:17 Anivrom, if you are talking about things that are under NDA, you should be carefull... Sep 03 16:02:18 wow is the N-trigs Duosense a tablet? Sep 03 16:02:24 that movie scared the shit out of me when I was a kid Sep 03 16:02:26 unless the device will have a money printer Sep 03 16:02:30 nuclear war is bad, mmkay? Sep 03 16:02:36 CTLAdvance: I'm well aware of NDA. Sep 03 16:02:49 np :) Sep 03 16:02:54 bhodder: yes Sep 03 16:03:03 nice Sep 03 16:03:05 and guess what else it does Sep 03 16:03:10 ? Sep 03 16:03:24 Viewsonic announced that it will be launching two new tablets at IFA 2010 in Berlin. Sep 03 16:03:25 The first will be a 10 inch tablet based on Intel’s Atom platform. It will dual boot Android 2.2 and Windows 7 (hopefully the original desktop version, not CE). Sep 03 16:03:37 dual boot. Sep 03 16:03:38 stock Sep 03 16:03:42 awesome Sep 03 16:03:54 @ 10 inches. so big Sep 03 16:04:02 thats what she... Sep 03 16:04:03 said Sep 03 16:04:06 lol Sep 03 16:04:07 I guess at some point I should reboot this machine and make sure the last 10 sets of updates I've had work Sep 03 16:04:17 good call I think Sep 03 16:04:45 * Anivrom is sitting at his computer wearing a full tuxedo waiting for his ride to his sisters wedding Sep 03 16:04:52 hah Sep 03 16:04:55 nlol Sep 03 16:04:59 lol Sep 03 16:05:00 lol is that today Sep 03 16:05:12 mhmmmmm Sep 03 16:05:25 this looks really fun - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp7UHk1k4xY Sep 03 16:05:30 my messenger just tries to connect for a split second and then gives up..tried removing all accounts then just adding yahoo..same results. any ideas? Sep 03 16:06:21 haha paper football Sep 03 16:06:23 interesting Sep 03 16:06:26 Anivrom, have fun at it Sep 03 16:06:40 The ceremony is gonna be boring as they usually are Sep 03 16:06:45 but the reception should have some good eats Sep 03 16:06:47 its high class Sep 03 16:06:56 nice Sep 03 16:06:58 you know how to liven it up Sep 03 16:07:02 streaking Sep 03 16:07:05 let one go? Sep 03 16:07:06 oh Sep 03 16:09:09 be sure to enjoy some beans from Taco Bell beforehand Sep 03 16:09:14 windows 7 phone has a huge screen Sep 03 16:09:26 really Sep 03 16:09:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU2Np-t9foM&feature=related Sep 03 16:09:40 but its a windows phone? :S Sep 03 16:09:43 and the ui is smoootttttt Sep 03 16:09:59 2.0 better have hardware xcellerated ui Sep 03 16:10:06 its a necessity Sep 03 16:10:39 ya thats true Sep 03 16:11:03 I can't speak for anyone else but I shouldnt have to OC my phone to get smooth ai Sep 03 16:11:05 ui Sep 03 16:11:34 no aggreed Sep 03 16:12:07 windows phone 7 has an ugly ui Sep 03 16:12:08 wow Sep 03 16:12:13 coloured squares Sep 03 16:12:16 seriously Sep 03 16:12:16 you got to be kidding Sep 03 16:12:27 where does an aged person like myself go to find out what all the tweet-speak things are, like #FF and whatnot? Sep 03 16:12:28 if windows 7 is ugly what looks good? Sep 03 16:12:30 saw that Sep 03 16:12:38 Deihmos: webos.... Sep 03 16:12:49 enlightenment e17 looks good Sep 03 16:12:50 oh windows phone 7 Sep 03 16:12:51 iOS looks good to Sep 03 16:12:55 Anivrom, agreed Sep 03 16:12:56 yea Sep 03 16:12:59 i don't know much about that Sep 03 16:13:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU2Np-t9foM&feature=related Sep 03 16:13:20 i just got an android device. returning it and going back to the pre Sep 03 16:13:26 yay Sep 03 16:13:34 I'm gonna wait patiently for a new device Sep 03 16:13:40 I dont have the money for a different phone anywyas Sep 03 16:13:46 just got my pre like 4 months ago Sep 03 16:16:51 weird, my phone for a few days wouldnt play media out the speaker such as music, phone call audio, ingame audio, and also the sound it did play (system sounds) were quiet, but now it works Sep 03 16:17:03 haha Sep 03 16:17:09 * sugardave waits for Sprint to get a new webOS phone. "I wonder if we'll start seeing tables with cellular modems." Sep 03 16:17:18 When I made a phone call I had to put it on speaker all the time Sep 03 16:17:20 or use my bt Sep 03 16:17:32 lint in the headphone jack? Sep 03 16:17:38 who knows Sep 03 16:17:55 I was hoping it was broken so I could get a new phone Sep 03 16:18:00 Deihmos: yup. i got the hero Sep 03 16:18:14 ewwwwwwwwww Sep 03 16:18:20 Deihmos: going back to pre. but keeping hero as a dev device Sep 03 16:18:30 shun pandora Sep 03 16:18:39 $99 for an android dev device, not bad :) Sep 03 16:18:49 I'd rather get one for free :P Sep 03 16:18:51 and going back to the pre for my daily device Sep 03 16:19:04 Anivrom: free is always better, but they don't really give them out for free at sprint Sep 03 16:19:06 hah Sep 03 16:19:31 well bell was doing free pre on 3 yr Sep 03 16:19:50 with a 35 a month plan which has tons of features Sep 03 16:20:07 pandora Sep 03 16:20:15 CTLAdvance Sep 03 16:20:16 where did you get a 99 android dev device Sep 03 16:20:27 a back alley Sep 03 16:20:31 from a guy named gusto Sep 03 16:20:37 CTLAdvance: sprint as my upgrade device, I was eligable Sep 03 16:20:41 Anivrom: to get a plan with bell in canada do you need a SSN#? Sep 03 16:20:53 oh lol... oy Sep 03 16:20:55 no lol, we dont have ssn's in canada Sep 03 16:20:56 and after lots and lots of bitching the manager knocked off $100 Sep 03 16:21:11 prolly need a social insurance number though, I can't remember Sep 03 16:21:24 haha half price haggle Sep 03 16:21:26 n1 Sep 03 16:21:35 Anivrom, ya I got that deal with bell Sep 03 16:21:38 :) Sep 03 16:21:38 I just noticed some discoloration in my screen :/ ill have to try and get a device replace now Sep 03 16:21:38 Anivrom: so a yank can get the pre? Sep 03 16:21:46 anywyas I'm off to the weddings n stuf rite. I'll be on tomorrow. Sep 03 16:21:52 LoneStar99: Technically you can Sep 03 16:21:53 CTLAdvance: i've had 3 pre's, my wife 5 pixis Sep 03 16:22:02 but not on bell I dont think lol Sep 03 16:22:06 THAT is why they knocked off $100 and gave me lots of accessories Sep 03 16:22:06 maybe Sep 03 16:22:08 Anivrom: will look into Sep 03 16:22:36 later Anivrom Sep 03 16:22:39 Anivrom: it is bell canada? Sep 03 16:22:45 yea Sep 03 16:24:52 any other canadian here? Sep 03 16:26:29 yup Sep 03 16:26:55 bhodder: you in canada? Sep 03 16:27:14 I sure am Sep 03 16:27:52 ok I am a yank, and on the bell.ca page, what is a "local call" mean all of canada? Sep 03 16:28:42 nope Local call refers to in your area, so for me in Moncton local is solely Moncton Sep 03 16:29:12 oh, wondering if I buy a canadian plan, if it would work in the US... Sep 03 16:29:39 not a hundred percent sure on that one Sep 03 16:29:55 why would you do that? all calls to US would be "international" Sep 03 16:30:17 ya and you would get roaming charges Sep 03 16:30:47 sugardave: yeah trying to figure all that out... Sep 03 16:31:11 bell.ca has a killer palm pre plan right now.... Sep 03 16:31:30 that they do Sep 03 16:31:38 LoneStar99: you could have gotten one free with new service or service extension from HP online yesterday Sep 03 16:32:26 sugardave: really... it is over now? Sep 03 16:32:37 sugardave: what were you talking about a leak earlier? related to relego? Sep 03 16:32:41 yeah, I think so...til midnight last night Sep 03 16:32:52 or maybe i should wait for "new" device... Sep 03 16:33:01 HattCzech_work: no...the 2.0 SDK leaker Sep 03 16:33:31 ohhh... someone leaked 2.0? Sep 03 16:33:47 someone leaked some weak-ass information...enough to piss off Palm Sep 03 16:34:15 HattCzech_work: http://www.precentral.net/virtual-keyboard-reference-found-webos-20-sdk Sep 03 16:35:28 so i've been, uuh, inspired... to write a particle visualizer app Sep 03 16:35:47 go go go Sep 03 16:35:52 goal is to launch by monday Sep 03 16:35:54 err, submit Sep 03 16:36:18 you're stealing my idea, but that's okay because it would probably take a year + for me to get it working :D Sep 03 16:36:37 so can palm make engadget give them the name of the "anonymous" tipster? Sep 03 16:36:59 you dipping into the PDK stuff yet? Sep 03 16:37:05 HattCzech_work: unknown Sep 03 16:37:25 codeslaw_: not even close :( still no Linux PDK and I don't have the time to try and build everything up by hand Sep 03 16:37:27 i hope they find out Sep 03 16:37:42 HattCzech_work: what happened at engadget Sep 03 16:37:48 codeslaw_: particle visualizer? like? Sep 03 16:37:52 (sorry, not engadget, precentral) Sep 03 16:38:14 http://www.precentral.net/virtual-keyboard-reference-found-webos-20-sdk Sep 03 16:38:23 HattCzech_work: I think he's talking about an mp3 visualizer Sep 03 16:38:26 kind of like Attractor for iPhone Sep 03 16:38:31 some early access user broke the NDA Sep 03 16:38:37 something that seems like it would be awesome as an Exhibition app Sep 03 16:38:41 well, not music reactive yet... just touch reactive Sep 03 16:38:46 oooooohhhhhh Sep 03 16:38:50 ya exhibition is what i'm thinking Sep 03 16:38:55 ooops., tipped my hand :) Sep 03 16:38:57 sugardave, what do you mean no linux pdk Sep 03 16:39:00 and dethroning Pixi dust of course Sep 03 16:39:20 bhodder: is there one now? Sep 03 16:39:20 bell.ca --> World Calling Saver $7.00/mo. Save of up to 92% on international long distance calls. Sep 03 16:39:36 I thought so one second Sep 03 16:39:43 like I can go to Palm and download the .deb for Ubuntu 10.04 and not think about things? Sep 03 16:42:07 sorry I stand corrected there is a roundabout way to do it not just an install file Sep 03 16:42:37 yeah, one fine day when I've finished these other projects I might be able to tackle it :D Sep 03 16:54:18 anyone use at&t for their pre? Sep 03 16:55:25 hey, seems palm is holding apps for over a week now =| Sep 03 16:55:41 Nyceane: why is that? Sep 03 16:55:52 yeah my apps are being held up... Sep 03 16:55:55 duno, usually take 3 days Sep 03 16:56:29 and my app is ranked 77 now =( Sep 03 17:00:14 Nyceane: =( Sep 03 17:10:00 just type mad the imclusion of virtual keyboard seem obvious Sep 03 17:11:04 or maybe i was just co Sep 03 17:11:35 the quick bron foxes jumped ocdr tbe la( dohfd Sep 03 17:21:05 * bougyman going to pick up his Epic Sep 03 17:21:15 i just don't trust HP :( Sep 03 17:23:06 bougyman you might be disappointed. I know I am Sep 03 17:23:16 Deihmos: howso? Sep 03 17:23:30 i've got a lot of friends with Galaxy S versions from other providers. Sep 03 17:23:36 is the Pro somehow broken? Sep 03 17:23:52 my impression of the android os isn't that great. The only thing it has over Webos are the applications. It has a lot more Sep 03 17:23:52 plz do let me know before I go blow $349 Sep 03 17:23:58 oh. Sep 03 17:24:03 well it's still linux underneath. Sep 03 17:24:13 i don't know anyone unhappy with android, just the opposite. Sep 03 17:24:24 my wife swears by her Intercept Sep 03 17:24:46 i know all of them i've seen seem more responsive than my pre. Sep 03 17:24:53 luna seems pretty bloated. Sep 03 17:25:13 i've been with palm for nearly 20 years, i don't take this lightly. Sep 03 17:25:38 but the pre just seems not up-to-snuff with modern droid devices, hardware wise. Sep 03 17:25:48 notifications are terrible, the UI is ugly, it is much slower to use, the email client is terrible 9 (no HTML), web browser downgrades images, Sep 03 17:26:19 the screen on the pre is much clearer but that could be because the android OS looks like 8bit or maybe 16bit Sep 03 17:26:25 i wonder if that's epic only? Sep 03 17:26:33 because i didn't see any of those issues on the evo Sep 03 17:26:58 or on my wife's intercept Sep 03 17:27:03 it's way faster than my pre. Sep 03 17:27:11 the Pre is 1.5 years older than 'modern droid devices' Sep 03 17:27:20 understood. Sep 03 17:27:26 but there's nothing new on the horizon. Sep 03 17:27:27 i don't know the time it takes to hold down the home key i could swipe to the next app Sep 03 17:27:43 I heard there is something new coming soon. Sep 03 17:27:49 i heard that a year ago Sep 03 17:28:20 android multitasking is pretty terrible in comparison to webos Sep 03 17:28:41 multitasking on a 3-4" screen is a joke. Sep 03 17:28:46 you only do one thing at a time. Sep 03 17:28:53 multitasking is the great Myth of computing. Sep 03 17:28:59 multitasking is a joke Sep 03 17:29:01 humans can't multitask. Sep 03 17:29:14 lol Sep 03 17:29:23 yeah Sep 03 17:29:32 ios solved multitasking :( Sep 03 17:29:50 ugh Sep 03 17:29:59 I just saw that there was a leak Sep 03 17:30:02 ugh ugh ugh Sep 03 17:30:09 awawbubu Sep 03 17:30:13 this is a source of frustration Sep 03 17:30:16 for many, I am sure Sep 03 17:31:58 gonna restart the phone to make sure calendar alerts actually work Sep 03 17:39:57 wow.. meego looks like a webos copy Sep 03 17:54:10 CTLAdvance, in a lot of ways thats probably the existing mobile OS its most like Sep 03 17:54:34 linux underpinnings that actually look somewhat like an actual linux distro Sep 03 18:34:02 its very quite.... Sep 03 18:34:41 boom Sep 03 18:34:44 Spaz beta 1.3.2 Sep 03 18:34:59 ok, wtfbbq Sep 03 18:35:47 stupid thing isn't logging properly Sep 03 18:40:04 hmmm... interesting... 1 hour of phone use while on touchstone = 20% battery drain Sep 03 18:45:14 that doesn't make sense Sep 03 18:45:24 the touchstone does need to sit properly Sep 03 18:45:28 so perhaps it was not? Sep 03 18:49:06 it was charging Sep 03 18:49:25 stayed at 100% for a while Sep 03 18:49:39 that means you talk too much Sep 03 18:49:44 or too hard Sep 03 18:50:04 heheh Sep 03 18:51:16 man this leak stuff is really a bummer Sep 03 18:54:37 indeed Sep 03 18:54:46 it definitely sucks for all the people that are still waiting for access Sep 03 18:55:15 there shouldn't have been too many of those... chuq was pretty quick about that Sep 03 18:55:39 but yeah, it does suck for those that were left out Sep 03 18:55:48 well it sucks that people don't take it seriously Sep 03 18:56:07 I mean, this is not the case for me, but some developer make a living making apps Sep 03 18:56:18 and palm employees make a living making webOS Sep 03 18:56:43 and to just give away private information that could effect the livelihoods of other people, seems careless Sep 03 18:56:45 true... i can't make a living off of it... YET ;) Sep 03 18:56:52 but that would be nice if i could Sep 03 18:57:22 but surely you see what I mean? Sep 03 18:57:41 yes i do Sep 03 18:57:43 and it must be frustrating to see work that you're doing being undermined Sep 03 18:58:00 by someone with little respect for the consequences Sep 03 18:59:06 bbl Sep 03 19:25:16 on that point, it's monumentally difficult to make a living writing apps Sep 03 19:25:18 on any platform Sep 03 19:26:07 huge market bubble, lack of willing-to-pay customer base (absurd), crowded markets (iphone), high cost of development (considering your time is money, regardless) Sep 03 19:26:07 true Sep 03 19:27:34 i might be able to get to the point where my apps pay for my cell phone bill Sep 03 19:27:40 but i'm not there yet :) Sep 03 19:30:57 codeslaw_: your points are very valid and true Sep 03 19:31:29 have to get lucky Sep 03 19:32:09 yeah, like "angry birds" Sep 03 19:33:16 that game is just crack Sep 03 19:35:45 ya Sep 03 19:57:39 omg cake balls at work Sep 03 19:57:41 CAKE BALLS Sep 03 19:57:45 incredible Sep 03 19:58:21 CAKE BALLS? Sep 03 20:05:08 don't you mean donut holes? Sep 03 20:05:40 yeah Sep 03 20:08:51 codeslaw_: bring some my way Sep 03 20:09:05 i can't be more than 15-20min away Sep 03 20:09:20 need to find out where they are from Sep 03 20:09:31 i think we're out, and i told my girlfriend about them Sep 03 20:09:34 and she demands one as well Sep 03 20:10:57 so my particle engine is working Sep 03 20:11:19 with gravity Sep 03 20:14:06 very nice Sep 03 20:14:12 and what prompted this? Sep 03 20:15:44 nice, teleport some to lonestar@teleport.net Sep 03 20:22:50 cake balls Sep 03 20:22:56 kesne: you said you know dieter? Sep 03 20:23:02 Maybe Sep 03 20:23:04 Why? Sep 03 20:23:08 LoneStar99: sounds funny when you say it Sep 03 20:23:31 is he working with palm about the leak? Sep 03 20:24:10 I wouldn't know Sep 03 20:24:23 alrighty Sep 03 20:24:30 i'm just hoping this stuff gets worked out Sep 03 20:24:32 I'm pretty sure SPE is protected by the st amendment Sep 03 20:24:39 1st Sep 03 20:25:24 spe? Sep 03 20:26:33 Smartphone Experts Sep 03 20:26:39 The company behind PreCentral Sep 03 20:27:01 gotcha Sep 03 20:27:23 i can kinda see both points of view... but i'm definitely irritated with the leak Sep 03 20:27:50 I think everyone is Sep 03 20:28:00 Not sure what's happening behind the scenes Sep 03 20:30:00 and chuq isn't here to pester, either Sep 03 20:30:11 but i'm pretty sure he's busy Sep 03 20:30:25 so it's probably better that we aren't pestering him Sep 03 20:31:03 damn, just sent chuq 10 emails... Sep 03 20:31:22 jk Sep 03 20:31:23 hehehe Sep 03 20:31:34 so YOU'RE the one he was talking about Sep 03 20:31:51 hehe Sep 03 20:33:18 HattCzech_work: I don't think Dieter's going to do anything about it Sep 03 20:33:45 okay Sep 03 20:34:40 Tibfib: why are there two of you? Sep 03 20:34:54 whoops Sep 03 20:35:02 there Sep 03 20:35:59 is anybody else stuck on the app release? Sep 03 20:37:49 thank you person who leaked stuff. Sep 03 20:38:01 Nyceane: have 3 app updates in queue for approval Sep 03 20:38:42 Tibfib: You're welcome! Sep 03 20:38:46 Sep 03 20:39:15 i guess its only us, LoneStar99 Sep 03 20:39:19 kesne: hah, to be honest, my first thought was that it was you considering what I had just read in the dev forums, then I realized you aren't _that_ stupid Sep 03 20:39:24 hopefully it will get released tomorrow =| Sep 03 20:39:24 don't worry, Tibfib, i'm on it Sep 03 20:39:26 :) Sep 03 20:39:28 * HattCzech_work cracks knuckles Sep 03 20:39:33 Heh Sep 03 20:39:46 * Tibfib thinks palm should severely limit those in early access Sep 03 20:40:05 limit what in early access? Sep 03 20:40:15 err... limit membership Sep 03 20:40:34 * kesne thinks that consitering the entire 1.3 beta SDK was leaked and Palm did nothing about it, they should do the same here Sep 03 20:40:50 i duno, i have faith in palm Sep 03 20:41:02 but i would appreciated if they handed out more free phones Sep 03 20:41:11 especially for developers Sep 03 20:41:38 Pro-Tip: Leaks happen Sep 03 20:43:19 I feel like everytime palm becomes open, some ****** has to do something stupid and Palm stops giving us information we need Sep 03 20:43:36 what do you mean? Sep 03 20:44:35 well, early access invites are being witheld among ...other things Sep 03 20:45:19 it's not too hard to imagine that devs might not hear about new things in a timely manner because of leaks like that Sep 03 20:47:26 I wonder if there are people who dedicate to palm full time =_= Sep 03 20:47:41 all the devs, as far as the ones i know, we work on it part time when we get home Sep 03 20:47:49 mostly as a hobby Sep 03 20:48:07 yes Sep 03 20:48:45 i know a lot of full time android/iphone developers Sep 03 20:49:05 well it's just a matter of ensuring that people who have access to materials that require NDA have a vested interest to not leak Sep 03 20:49:15 and I'm sure this is something chuq and his people are asking now Sep 03 20:49:21 Yeah. I agree with alexfner Sep 03 20:49:31 but being a hobbyist-class dev doesn't mean you'd like info later than you would have gotten it otherwise Sep 03 20:49:35 they need to forget dropbox and use a good system with good members Sep 03 20:49:37 what was leaked? Sep 03 20:49:45 precentral.net Sep 03 20:49:48 because they thought it was enough to just sign an agreement Sep 03 20:50:05 but perhaps you need to ensure that the developer has made an application before he/she can get access Sep 03 20:50:27 and prehaps you need to require another app every few months, or half a year to stay in early access Sep 03 20:50:33 but these are problems they have to figure out Sep 03 20:50:37 I also thought about a deposit Sep 03 20:50:40 but that prolly would suck Sep 03 20:50:45 Nyceane: somebody leaked a snippet of code from the SDK to precentral and precentral plastered it all over the front page excitedly Sep 03 20:50:56 oh no, I'd fail that test...though I have apps that are technically in the catalog which I wrote...they were for other people Sep 03 20:51:14 I mean, we cannot villify precentral Sep 03 20:51:17 vilify* Sep 03 20:51:26 they just report information that they are given Sep 03 20:51:28 xcomp_, which article? Sep 03 20:51:36 and that's their role Sep 03 20:51:47 Nyceane: you didn't see all this on the dev forum yet? Sep 03 20:52:31 it's a big deal...pausing early access, etc. Sep 03 20:52:31 nope where? Sep 03 20:52:52 but think about it, if you're not actively developing apps, you don't have any reason to have full access to early access sdks Sep 03 20:53:11 Nyceane: it's still there on the front page, just scroll down Sep 03 20:53:21 individuals who aren't developers, for example, have no reason to be a part of the early access program Sep 03 20:53:30 i don't know why they won't just take down the article Sep 03 20:53:44 as a gesture of goodwill Sep 03 20:53:52 xcomp_: it's not their job Sep 03 20:53:56 they "updated" it Sep 03 20:54:30 xcmop_ i still dont see it, whats the topoic? Sep 03 20:54:31 http://www.precentral.net/virtual-keyboard-reference-found-webos-20-sdk Sep 03 20:54:50 lol Sep 03 20:56:11 n8 everyone Sep 03 20:56:22 that sucks =( Sep 03 20:56:52 wait, it was public access before? =_= Sep 03 20:57:03 crap i should've registered lol Sep 03 20:57:29 * Tibfib wonders if the precentral article used to say "_Thanks Anonymous_" Sep 03 21:00:07 Tibfib: they never say thanks to the sources anyway Sep 03 21:00:14 yeah they do Sep 03 21:00:54 such as the latest 3 posts... Sep 03 21:00:55 i remember people complaining about that a while back Sep 03 21:01:03 ah, I was mistaken then Sep 03 21:01:37 whoa, skype implementation could be easy now! Sep 03 21:01:40 so palm is going to have a virtual keyboard i assume Sep 03 21:02:15 Sep 03 21:03:29 Nyceane: lol Sep 03 21:03:34 Nyceane: HOW DO YOU KNOW?????????? Sep 03 21:03:58 Nyceane: but no, it was not public access before Sep 03 21:04:14 Nyceane: it was still limited and handled case by case Sep 03 21:04:23 but now, it's frozen Sep 03 21:04:36 I have to email them to get access now =( Sep 03 21:04:40 that really sucks you know Sep 03 21:04:50 you had to before too Sep 03 21:04:58 just that before, they *might* let you in Sep 03 21:05:03 now, probably not Sep 03 21:05:14 until they figure out what to do about the leakage Sep 03 21:05:32 they'll open it up again, but, it's delayed for anyone that didn't already get access Sep 03 21:06:04 and the people that did get access aren't allowed to even confirm that they have access with the strict NDA they're under Sep 03 21:12:22 Palm's WebOS browser doesn't support common Touch events at all Sep 03 21:12:31 anyone have any clarification on that ? Sep 03 21:12:51 techrush: what? Sep 03 21:12:56 common touch events? Sep 03 21:13:25 * sugardave touches his webOS browser. Sep 03 21:13:30 mmmm Sep 03 21:13:36 stop looking at me like that Sep 03 21:13:43 everybody does it Sep 03 21:14:37 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2469243/how-to-implement-simple-javascript-touch-events-for-webkit-on-webos-while-develop Sep 03 21:15:11 looks like webos registers them as gestures instead Sep 03 21:15:15 kind of annoying Sep 03 21:15:32 i suppose all you folks mostly do webos apps though and not mobile web pages ? Sep 03 21:15:49 worked with mobile webpages Sep 03 21:15:51 you are correct Sep 03 21:15:55 for now Sep 03 21:15:58 in the future, we'll see Sep 03 21:16:01 okay, for the Web browser, why does it matter? you can't write Mojo apps against it Sep 03 21:16:11 webview on the other hand Sep 03 21:16:27 not everyone wants to do a full on mojo app Sep 03 21:16:46 simple sites that are customized for a touch interface are a better solution for some problems Sep 03 21:16:55 where are you planning to listen for the touch events? Sep 03 21:17:27 im not sure i understand your question Sep 03 21:18:18 you want some already written web page do what when something is touched in it? I guess I don't understand your requirement Sep 03 21:20:19 http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2008/07/10/touching-and-gesturing-on-the-iphone/ Sep 03 21:20:30 android and the new blackberry browser implement that Sep 03 21:20:34 webos browser doesnt Sep 03 21:20:45 just would be nice to have it work the same common way across all mobile webkit browsers Sep 03 21:21:40 it seems they have the gesture version on the exact same page Sep 03 21:22:08 "This was much easier to figure out than the touch API" Sep 03 21:22:21 for backup would it be wise to copy all hiddens from usb mass storage? Sep 03 21:22:36 or should I just use save/restore from preware Sep 03 21:23:40 copy? Sep 03 21:23:42 save/restore Sep 03 21:23:45 they both seem to work Sep 03 21:23:48 you choose! Sep 03 21:24:16 #exhibitionsiwant Sep 03 21:25:06 dammit Sep 03 21:25:15 my wife failed to keep my Dr. Pepper stock filled Sep 03 21:25:19 now I must go to the store Sep 03 21:25:24 hah Sep 03 21:25:29 looks like you need a new wife... Sep 03 21:25:48 Sep 03 21:26:05 It looks like you're trying to get a new wife, would you like me to assist you with that?? Sep 03 21:28:23 urg Sep 03 21:33:20 yay - http://twitter.com/chuq/status/22920280396 Sep 03 21:45:45 So does anyone from the wor hackathon remember when someone from palm (I think unwiredben) talked about working on injecting javascript into a standard webview widget? Sep 03 21:45:56 I'm wondering if he got it working... Sep 03 21:47:52 hmm... http://twitter.com/dkdsgn/status/22922653387 Sep 03 21:49:49 I informed my wife of y'all's sentiments and she's deeply ashamed Sep 03 21:49:58 lol Sep 03 21:50:03 lol Sep 03 21:51:58 haha Sep 03 21:54:13 ITS ALLLIIIIIVVVEEEE! Sep 03 21:55:29 * halfhalo made a node.js irc logger with json and duck tape Sep 03 21:55:53 * dohtem floods halfhalo's logger Sep 03 21:55:56 :) Sep 03 21:56:01 DO IT DO IT DOIT Sep 03 21:56:20 Still working on the second part of it though Sep 03 21:56:37 really? Sep 03 21:56:42 yeah Sep 03 21:56:56 Making it purty html for viewing Sep 03 21:57:06 and also making it talk with the websockets of dooom Sep 03 21:57:39 it would be better to talk with the fluffy webbsockets of compassion Sep 03 21:57:49 lol Sep 03 22:00:22 I love you guys. Sep 03 22:00:28 mostly sugardave Sep 03 22:00:31 And haeffb Sep 03 22:00:35 And halfhalo Sep 03 22:03:21 welllll damn... it died Sep 03 22:03:34 jeeze, what an ass. Sep 03 22:04:00 thanks kesne. not talking about you... Sep 03 22:04:13 haeffb :O Sep 03 22:04:16 :'( Sep 03 22:04:19 I know you were! Sep 03 22:04:44 halfhalo: did you log my pm msgs? Sep 03 22:04:57 well, I was, but didn't want you to know it. Sep 03 22:05:08 heh Sep 03 22:05:18 it does sorta kinda Sep 03 22:05:22 :'( Sep 03 22:05:31 their logged, but shouldn't be Sep 03 22:05:37 * halfhalo should fix that Sep 03 22:05:38 My twitter followers are increasing Sep 03 22:05:40 :D Sep 03 22:05:42 awww, thanks kesne Sep 03 22:05:42 no, actually I was referring to the link Tibfib poste above Sep 03 22:05:57 haeffb: agreed. Sep 03 22:06:11 I love Derek Sep 03 22:06:27 Leaks happen Sep 03 22:06:29 Nothing new Sep 03 22:06:47 http://twitter.com/dkdsgn/status/22922653387 Sep 03 22:07:03 Already read that Sep 03 22:07:08 Makes me love Derek even more Sep 03 22:07:21 every human leaks Sep 03 22:07:30 esp when you shoot them! Sep 03 22:08:18 or put them in a wood chipper Sep 03 22:09:21 kesne: extremely immature response. if that floats your boat, so be it. Sep 03 22:10:05 What are we talking about? Sep 03 22:10:27 Already read that Sep 03 22:10:47 * haeffb headed to the first home football game of the season. laters. Sep 03 22:10:48 Are we talking about what I said or what he said? Sep 03 22:10:52 what he said. Sep 03 22:11:59 Oh Sep 03 22:12:06 I genuinely don't care that much Sep 03 22:19:47 haeffb: take the flasher with you! Sep 03 22:19:54 oh wait Sep 03 22:19:57 it's Friday Sep 03 22:25:38 lol Sep 03 22:25:40 hey where is the app from the hackathon? github? Sep 03 22:25:40 oh dropbox Sep 03 22:27:13 dohtem: palm beta feed Sep 03 22:27:21 if you want to use it... github if you want hte source Sep 03 22:27:30 dohtem: http://github.com/webOSroundup/Hackathon-Number-1 Sep 03 22:28:46 grazie Sep 03 22:28:53 * Tibfib is lazy Sep 03 22:30:11 :) Sep 03 22:44:38 $L("Buenos Nochas"); Sep 03 22:45:40 {"Buenos Nochas": "Good Night"} Sep 03 23:15:04 lol, no wonder the webos version is cancelled http://crackberry.com/dataviz-makers-documents-go-apparently-acquired-and-now-owned-research-motion Sep 03 23:30:19 lol Sep 03 23:35:57 hey guys Sep 03 23:36:11 is PrototypeJS still used in webOS ? Sep 03 23:36:49 yes Sep 03 23:37:26 any changes need to be made to work with nodejs ? Sep 03 23:37:52 * kesne points to the NDA Sep 03 23:37:53 node is a server side thing .. not really the same thing, is it ? Sep 03 23:38:02 nope Sep 03 23:38:15 depends on if they are using Prototype on the serverside Sep 03 23:38:26 which I donno if they are (why I am asking) Sep 03 23:38:30 prototype dont work server side Sep 03 23:39:28 cool Sep 03 23:39:29 oh, I thought you meant the current webOS Sep 03 23:40:20 is Prototype's use abstracted away ? Sep 03 23:40:37 nope Sep 03 23:40:42 *It is used heavily by webOS Sep 03 23:40:48 *Is it used.. Sep 03 23:41:08 its used by mojo currently Sep 03 23:42:15 yall notice any performance issues with Prototype + mobile ? Sep 03 23:42:23 nope Sep 03 23:44:14 how hard would it be to strip Prototype out Sep 03 23:44:23 * halfhalo dunno's Sep 03 23:45:01 k Sep 03 23:55:47 well it was fun knowing y'all Sep 03 23:55:56 i went to the 4g darkside. Sep 04 01:03:08 hi all Sep 04 01:04:40 hiya Sep 04 01:04:50 pandora-- long time no see Sep 04 01:05:02 ja :) Sep 04 01:05:11 howve ya been? Sep 04 01:05:20 good you? Sep 04 01:06:20 oh hail to the king baby Sep 04 01:06:29 TQOS Sep 04 01:06:34 hello everyone Sep 04 01:06:43 lol hi CTLAdvance! hi Bmyers Sep 04 01:07:08 Hi JenP . hows tricks? Sep 04 01:07:18 it's all good Sep 04 01:07:20 how are you? Sep 04 01:07:32 ok. sorry to see summer go.. Sep 04 01:07:38 seems like only yesterday Sep 04 01:08:02 there's still a lot of good sailing weather right? Sep 04 01:08:17 sure. dont have to pull the boat till oct Sep 04 01:09:06 go spend tomorrow night on it if i dont get pounded by a hurricane Sep 04 01:09:08 * oil will believe DNF is real when he sees it on a shelf Sep 04 01:10:27 new publisher Sep 04 01:10:34 new dev team Sep 04 01:10:43 3dr is gone 4 good Sep 04 01:50:21 Hey Sep 04 02:28:00 sugardave: high school. But I can use OSU's colors. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010