**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 07 02:59:57 2010 Sep 07 02:59:58 I was trying to use debugger to find what I wanted...next to impossible Sep 07 02:59:58 hahHA! Sep 07 03:00:02 depends on what you want to do Sep 07 03:00:03 Its working! Sep 07 03:00:22 I want to inspect the CSS classes and styles applied to my list rows. Sep 07 03:01:12 woah there... where the hell did all my disk space go Sep 07 03:01:58 * haeffb_ is using it. need it back? Sep 07 03:04:05 lemketron: inspector in multi-stage app? Sep 07 03:06:30 bad mojo Sep 07 03:08:24 mojo bad Sep 07 03:09:03 -sh: root@qemux86:/var/home/root#: not found Sep 07 03:09:28 whatever that means Sep 07 03:09:29 anybody want to test this app? it lets you listen to streams of radio scanners in various parts of the world (from the radioreference.com db) Sep 07 03:09:43 send it Sep 07 03:09:51 last one I tried like that didnt work Sep 07 03:10:03 Anivrom: which one? Sep 07 03:10:07 digiscanner? Sep 07 03:10:08 was it written by sugardave ? Sep 07 03:10:10 Some police scanner Sep 07 03:10:16 then its craaap Sep 07 03:10:18 :p Sep 07 03:10:39 here's the deal...the streams are managed by radioreference for mount points, but the streams are up by volunteers Sep 07 03:10:59 luna-send luna://com.palm.applicationManager/inspect '{"processId":"$processId"}' Sep 07 03:11:18 what do you suppose they mean by '{"processId":"$processId"}' Sep 07 03:11:19 so sometimes it takes a little while for the thing to connect...AND sometimes there isn't any chatter on them Sep 07 03:11:28 if my processId is 1313 Sep 07 03:11:57 '{"processId":"$1313"}' Sep 07 03:11:59 ? Sep 07 03:12:06 hmmm Sep 07 03:12:15 I don't know...that seems weird Sep 07 03:12:26 haeffb: I'm almost entirely sure that's wrong? Sep 07 03:12:30 but I don't know for sure? Sep 07 03:12:49 well, it's from Palm docs, so it's likely wrong... Sep 07 03:12:53 normally, numbers aren't allowed to be variables, which is usually what '$' denotes Sep 07 03:12:56 :p Sep 07 03:13:09 but, you know, this is my first day doing any WebOS coding Sep 07 03:13:30 oh, well come back tomorrow with the answer. your first homework assignment. Sep 07 03:13:45 hah Sep 07 03:14:09 where do you see that? Sep 07 03:14:39 bottom of http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1611&Itemid=61 Sep 07 03:17:13 what happens if you try it? Sep 07 03:17:16 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=3128&view=next Sep 07 03:17:27 this seems to suggest it just wants the pid Sep 07 03:17:30 no $ Sep 07 03:17:48 so '{processID":"1313"}' Sep 07 03:18:08 '{"processID":"1313"}' Sep 07 03:18:24 summatusmentis: Then you need to document everything you learn on webos101.com Sep 07 03:18:51 guh Sep 07 03:19:00 I'm probably the wrong person to be doing this Sep 07 03:19:18 also, I'm only working on this now so I don't have to do real homework Sep 07 03:19:26 nonsense, you're the right man for the job Sep 07 03:20:21 I've tried that and no go. Perhaps because I'm in putty? Sep 07 03:21:14 I would doubt that putty affects it Sep 07 03:21:30 you've got "processId" and not "processID" right? Sep 07 03:21:44 Anyone in here familiar with Xcode development? Sep 07 03:21:53 * halfhalo runs and hides Sep 07 03:21:56 TMo__: I know that people do it, that's about the extend of it Sep 07 03:22:28 Haha I don't have Visual Studio on windows so Xcode is what I have to use for my PDK dev Sep 07 03:22:32 root@qemux86:/var/home/root# root@qemux86:/var/home/root# luna-send luna://com.p Sep 07 03:22:32 alm.applicationManager/inspect {"processId":"1313"} Sep 07 03:22:32 -sh: root@qemux86:/var/home/root#: not found Sep 07 03:22:55 hrm Sep 07 03:23:07 haeffb: and you're sure 1313 is the right pid? Sep 07 03:23:14 and I also tried "processid" which is what the output of the first command displays Sep 07 03:23:15 what happens if you put the $ in front? Sep 07 03:23:22 same thing Sep 07 03:23:46 this is a WebOSism I think, but does the 1313 need quotes? Sep 07 03:23:52 { "id": "com.tigers.beta.done", "processid": "1312" }, { "id": "com.tigers.beta.done", "processid": "1313" } Sep 07 03:23:58 or perhaps a javascriptism Sep 07 03:24:03 JSON ism Sep 07 03:24:14 dem jsons be crazy Sep 07 03:24:34 I know in the "your first webos app" tutorial things like false were not in quotes Sep 07 03:24:47 but your paste suggests it ought to? Sep 07 03:24:52 true/false not. numbers not. Sep 07 03:25:00 but is pid a number or string? Sep 07 03:25:02 depends on if you want it to be a string or an integer Sep 07 03:25:09 pid to the os is a number Sep 07 03:25:13 but I've tried both ways Sep 07 03:25:18 there are no string pids Sep 07 03:25:18 string or reserved word* Sep 07 03:25:50 haeffb: the palm doc seems to act like it's looking for a variable that contains the pid Sep 07 03:25:59 which would explain the $processId Sep 07 03:26:01 haeffb: is it luna-send that can't be found? Sep 07 03:26:20 no, because I get results from the first command Sep 07 03:26:36 luna-send -i -n 1 luna://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Sep 07 03:26:56 which provides the array of id's and pid's as shown above Sep 07 03:27:17 yep, and they want a string looks like Sep 07 03:27:19 haeffb: you paste above doesn't have single-quotes around your {} Sep 07 03:27:34 I've tried all sorts of combinations... :) Sep 07 03:27:47 ok, just clarifying Sep 07 03:27:50 with/out single-quotes, double-quotes id vs Id Sep 07 03:28:18 hrm Sep 07 03:29:01 heh gotta love palms docs Sep 07 03:29:30 there's docs from palm? Sep 07 03:29:39 * haeffb will give up and try to question lemketron tomorrow Sep 07 03:29:55 "documents" Sep 07 03:29:59 if I want to pull data from a "cloud" service, using something like REST, that goes in a .assistant.js file right? Sep 07 03:30:03 I just run it with the processId property Sep 07 03:30:28 luna-send luna://com.palm.applicationManager/inspect { Sep 07 03:30:30 "processId": "1703"} Sep 07 03:30:35 seems to work Sep 07 03:30:53 you're in novaterm on mac? Sep 07 03:30:59 oh no Sep 07 03:31:01 I am not Sep 07 03:31:06 on linux Sep 07 03:31:09 novaterm'd to the device, too Sep 07 03:31:16 yes, intel/linux Sep 07 03:31:25 device... I'm trying on emu Sep 07 03:31:28 let me see Sep 07 03:32:36 novaterm to the emu on OS X seems to work? Sep 07 03:32:41 I wasn't sure which pid to use Sep 07 03:32:53 but I'm not getting errors Sep 07 03:33:08 looks like it is working...just sitting there Sep 07 03:33:09 well, holy moly Sep 07 03:33:27 nope, no inspector Sep 07 03:33:35 lameness Sep 07 03:33:41 but, yeah, I got it to "just sit there" too Sep 07 03:34:28 mine exited cleanly Sep 07 03:34:44 root@qemux86:/# luna-send luna://com.palm.applicationManager/inspect {"processId":"1703"} Sep 07 03:35:00 do you have a pid 1703 running? Sep 07 03:35:15 I didn't look Sep 07 03:35:17 sugardave: did you run inspector? Sep 07 03:35:21 hold on, I'll run the first one Sep 07 03:36:16 haeffb: I can't run inspector Sep 07 03:36:22 yeah, I'm getting clean exists Sep 07 03:36:25 exits* Sep 07 03:36:37 I am as well now, but inspector still doesn't connect Sep 07 03:36:48 hahHA Sep 07 03:36:51 ITS WOOOOORKING Sep 07 03:37:56 I found that my netflix streaming works much better when connected to the router that runs at 10MB/s than the one that runs at 0.7MB/s Sep 07 03:38:06 so I've got that going for me. Sep 07 03:38:08 I would suspect so... Sep 07 03:38:33 anyone seen catfish yet? Sep 07 03:39:07 ok, I'm out. Thanks for trying to help, guys. Sep 07 03:39:18 peace Sep 07 03:39:59 haeffb: NO! Sep 07 03:40:01 run my app! Sep 07 03:41:00 so, I've got a "web dev" question, feel free to tell me to bug off if it's OT. I know the SDK is designed to be MVC. If I'm trying to pull data from the cloud using REST, that's part of the mode model right? Sep 07 03:41:17 lol Sep 07 03:41:24 like this channel is ever on topic Sep 07 03:41:29 palm-install -d usb *scando* Sep 07 03:41:31 er... "model" not "mode model" Sep 07 03:41:43 summatusmentis: I don't do it like that, but you can Sep 07 03:41:48 halfhalo: some are stricter than others Sep 07 03:41:54 sugardave: is there a better way? Sep 07 03:41:56 :p Sep 07 03:42:04 * halfhalo is never on topic Sep 07 03:42:18 summatusmentis: lets just say #webos is looser than a saigon hooker Sep 07 03:42:35 summatusmentis: I'm definitely not the person to ask which ways are better :D I do "what works for me" and make no guarantees of efficiency/safety :D Sep 07 03:42:56 * halfhalo likes rest Sep 07 03:42:57 sugardave: heh, ok Sep 07 03:43:00 oooh...nice icon! Sep 07 03:43:05 haeffb: thanks! Sep 07 03:43:15 I have absolutely no experience with rest/web dev/webOS Sep 07 03:43:15 I worked really hard on it Sep 07 03:43:19 sugardave: btw when are you paying me for that? Sep 07 03:43:39 do I need username & pw? Sep 07 03:44:03 summatusmentis: I guess I do dev my stuff like MVC...separate js files for my "API Sep 07 03:44:06 " type stuff Sep 07 03:44:09 haeffb: nope Sep 07 03:44:18 I'm online Sep 07 03:44:29 don't hear anything Sep 07 03:44:30 sugardave: MVC makes sense to me Sep 07 03:44:38 haeffb: that's in case I decide to integrate "premium" features Sep 07 03:44:46 haeffb: does it say "streaming..."? Sep 07 03:45:07 where? Sep 07 03:45:20 hmm..what screen are you on? Sep 07 03:45:23 sugardave: email it over ill give it a run Sep 07 03:45:30 it says stream status: online Sep 07 03:45:38 that's the list Sep 07 03:45:39 tap it Sep 07 03:45:46 oh, here we go Sep 07 03:45:51 connecting Sep 07 03:45:58 it takes a LONG time to connect Sep 07 03:46:05 connecting Sep 07 03:46:18 . Sep 07 03:46:19 . Sep 07 03:46:19 if you don't hear anything after streaming..., switch over to japan and listen to the control tower :D Sep 07 03:46:19 . Sep 07 03:46:26 I know Sep 07 03:46:30 streaming! Sep 07 03:46:32 not sure how to make it faster Sep 07 03:46:41 mic clicks Sep 07 03:46:55 we have sound! Sep 07 03:46:55 how does rest stuff work inside of JS? Sep 07 03:47:03 black handgun in his hand Sep 07 03:47:03 as long as streaming... is up, it's "online"...but like I said lots of the streams seem to not have chatter sometimes Sep 07 03:47:10 haeffb: oh nice and interesting :D Sep 07 03:47:20 the handgu, not the hand Sep 07 03:47:49 haeffb: so, you can re-filter the list and it stays separate from your "manual location information" Sep 07 03:47:51 will it play with screen off? Sep 07 03:47:55 yeah Sep 07 03:48:06 once you tap a new feed entry, though, the current one is destroyed Sep 07 03:48:20 cool. I've gotta get to bed, though. Sep 07 03:48:25 looks promising Sep 07 03:48:34 cool, thanks :D Sep 07 03:49:35 I get the sense that pulling a web app from another web app is not something that is commonly done Sep 07 03:50:39 Anivrom: you've got mail Sep 07 03:50:49 summatusmentis: how do you mean? Sep 07 03:51:21 sugardave: some "cloud" service provides a rest api Sep 07 03:51:37 wth does rest really mean? Sep 07 03:51:37 49k? lol lightweight enough? Sep 07 03:51:43 is it an API? Sep 07 03:51:43 you got like 2 lines of code? Sep 07 03:51:57 Anivrom: not hardly Sep 07 03:51:57 WebOS, if it were a "normal" web app, would be providing the api Sep 07 03:52:31 to others Sep 07 03:52:37 but you want to use others' APIs Sep 07 03:52:40 sugardave: rest is... as I understand it, it's kind of an api, but you access it via URL queries, and you get JSON or XML as responses Sep 07 03:52:43 correct Sep 07 03:52:54 yeah, that just means AJAX to me :D Sep 07 03:53:02 it may all be the same Sep 07 03:53:04 and you can basically do whatever the hell you want Sep 07 03:53:14 in my systems dev mind, it's all "web 2.0" to me :) Sep 07 03:53:33 weeee Sep 07 03:53:37 its allllive Sep 07 03:53:39 yeah, so you can use regular XHR or Prototype's Ajax.Request Sep 07 03:53:56 summatusmentis: and construct whatever query you desire and parse the response, etc. Sep 07 03:53:57 neither of those things mean anything to me Sep 07 03:54:01 ah Sep 07 03:54:03 * halfhalo has rest based server stuff he likes Sep 07 03:54:12 it's how you use js to say "go fetch me this link" Sep 07 03:54:18 sugardave: localization fail. In canada we dont call them states, they are called provinces Sep 07 03:54:29 Anivrom: take it up with RadioReference Sep 07 03:54:35 I'm using their db keys :D Sep 07 03:54:41 sugardave: ok, so that's what I was wondering. Sep 07 03:54:42 well then filter them! Sep 07 03:55:09 haha awesome, listening to police radio Sep 07 03:55:17 now when I break the law I know when to drop the hammer Sep 07 03:55:25 sugardave: so I should just get some object back that contains the response I want, and can get what I need from there Sep 07 03:55:27 Anivrom: did you pay for that other app? was it digiscanner? Sep 07 03:55:37 didnt pay, dont remember which one Sep 07 03:55:41 summatusmentis: at a high level, yes Sep 07 03:55:46 sugardave: sure Sep 07 03:55:55 good.evening.all Sep 07 03:56:00 the specifics come from "learning the language" Sep 07 03:56:01 tropical storm here Sep 07 03:56:18 on a tree Sep 07 03:57:12 the hurricane that almost was passed us by in NY over the weekend Sep 07 03:57:30 here in southern texas Sep 07 03:57:48 the wind just took my cowboy hat, and lonestar light Sep 07 03:58:06 lol Sep 07 03:58:54 did that make you more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs? Sep 07 04:00:46 minigame Number 1, CAT CHASE oh schnapps Sep 07 04:01:08 reminiscent of atari Sep 07 04:01:35 atari2600, FTW! Sep 07 04:02:04 somebody needs to make Jumpman for webOS Sep 07 04:08:38 looks like it would be really easy Sep 07 04:21:22 someone build me a pretty html interface for my log viewer Sep 07 04:48:56 my phones time is 40 minutes behind normal... Sep 07 04:49:12 hah Sep 07 04:49:48 I thought they were network synched... Sep 07 04:49:53 this is no good Sep 07 04:51:11 do you have network time enabled? Sep 07 04:51:43 it's in the date & time built-in app Sep 07 04:52:24 Hmm. Surprise, can't take screenshots of PDK apps... Sep 07 04:54:19 Isn't wIRC's chat interface PDK? Cuz I just took a screenshot Sep 07 04:54:31 nope Sep 07 04:54:36 its hybrid Sep 07 04:54:50 it's mostly mojo Sep 07 04:55:14 the plugin handles the connection, passing the data back and forth Sep 07 04:55:32 luz at c Sep 07 04:56:13 hi pandora--, goodnight pplzzzz Sep 07 04:56:19 heyhey Sep 07 04:59:03 I just tried screen grabbing Angry Birds. No luck. Results in blank screen. BUT, if you minimize app then you can grab it. Sep 07 05:00:23 then you can view it in photo app, zoom in, and grab that. Sep 07 05:01:29 Yeah, but kinda blurry if blown back up to full size. Sep 07 05:03:01 not too blurry. well, what do you want to use the screen grab for? Sep 07 05:03:28 well, that was going into app catalog :) Sep 07 05:04:13 doh! yeah, that would matter. Sep 07 05:05:21 do the grab on a PC running the webos emulator Sep 07 05:05:52 (using windows printscreen) Sep 07 05:07:30 PDK apps don't work in emu, afaik Sep 07 05:07:50 ok, just got mode to do and im done :p Sep 07 05:08:10 really? thatz odd. Sep 07 05:08:10 And the trouble is, opengl emulator in windows has a few bugs, so my screen doesn't quite look right :) Sep 07 05:10:05 hmmm...u might have to just use a digital cam to take a snap of the Pre's screen. Sep 07 05:11:22 nah Sep 07 05:11:38 k, if anybody needs it ever - http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?eugrzs99rwgf Sep 07 05:11:52 a little hack, dumps current screen into raw file Sep 07 05:12:06 open in PS as raw, 320x480, 3 channels Sep 07 05:13:15 Just looked at ur link. looks like it makes screenshots. Sep 07 05:13:36 nevermind - you just said that already, lol Sep 07 05:14:06 nice Sep 07 05:14:35 did you just find that using google? Sep 07 05:15:26 just wrote it %) Sep 07 05:16:26 dang, that was fast! Sep 07 05:18:46 It's coming.... Sep 07 05:18:55 The app that started them all... Sep 07 05:19:03 no its not Sep 07 05:19:13 PDK Farts. Sep 07 05:19:19 Fall 2010 Sep 07 05:19:24 *fades to black* Sep 07 05:20:38 now if we could somehow Marty the fart app to the checkers app so the loser gets one ripped at 'em ;-) Sep 07 05:21:05 Marty = marry Sep 07 05:21:20 darn autocorrect Sep 07 05:23:29 that was for Kesne, author of the checkers app Sep 07 05:24:35 Heh Sep 07 05:24:40 Unfortunetly, Checkers is SDK Sep 07 05:24:43 And SDK only Sep 07 05:24:47 and it's staying that way Sep 07 05:24:55 For a laundry list of reasons Sep 07 05:25:20 lol - you mean no port to PDK on its way? Sep 07 05:25:59 make it a hybrid to get the farts in Sep 07 05:29:53 ok, my humor stinks. gonna hit the sack now. Sep 07 05:42:19 Blarg Sep 07 05:42:30 I let users save a website to their profile Sep 07 05:42:35 What's more interesting than that Sep 07 05:42:44 money Sep 07 05:42:50 woops Sep 07 05:42:53 wrong account Sep 07 06:02:39 morning Sep 07 06:02:48 mornin Sep 07 06:05:06 mornin Sep 07 06:05:13 morning Sep 07 06:10:33 yo Sep 07 06:13:09 yo Sep 07 06:13:21 the nightowls are out Sep 07 06:13:28 indeed Sep 07 06:13:34 early bird in your case Sep 07 06:13:48 8am Sep 07 06:14:51 hah Sep 07 06:14:53 2.11am Sep 07 06:19:00 gotta get up at 8am Sep 07 06:19:03 dang Sep 07 06:19:08 peace all Sep 07 06:19:41 Good morning Sep 07 06:19:45 morning hotdp Sep 07 06:21:46 hi Sep 07 06:22:17 it is starting to get cold outside :S Sep 07 06:22:26 word Sep 07 06:22:32 rainy again Sep 07 06:25:48 What should I replace the website feild with? Sep 07 06:26:36 raining here also, tropical storm Sep 07 06:50:40 swisstomcat after reading you article on Tuts i have a Q? Sep 07 06:51:10 go ahead Sep 07 06:51:45 I am using this.controller.get('div').innerHTML = "something html" for the first time Sep 07 06:52:05 i change the content in .prototype.activate Sep 07 06:52:22 My problem is that it sometimes "add" the content to the html content Sep 07 06:52:38 insteed of first clearing it for old content and updateting it with new? Sep 07 07:00:31 hmm Sep 07 07:00:52 that's strange Sep 07 07:01:07 yes Sep 07 07:01:14 its when i go back Sep 07 07:01:21 i add a image Sep 07 07:07:37 i believe = and += both work there Sep 07 07:07:43 the latter appends the data Sep 07 07:09:07 ? Sep 07 07:10:17 if you have innerHTML += something, it will append it to the end instead of replacing it Sep 07 07:10:31 that or you're trying to fill the wrong div Sep 07 07:10:47 Sep 07 07:11:18 this.controller.get('admob_ad').innerHTML = ""; Sep 07 07:11:25 there is no += :S Sep 07 07:11:54 How can i manually clear the div? Sep 07 07:12:14 you can always .get('asdf').update() Sep 07 07:12:20 you can always .get('asdf').update('text to fill it with') Sep 07 07:12:24 * Sep 07 07:17:28 oil, i try it :) Sep 07 07:18:06 so this.controller.get('admob_ad').update() will update it with nothing? Sep 07 07:18:34 does it not? Sep 07 07:19:58 you may need '' in update Sep 07 07:21:39 i give it a shoot Sep 07 07:25:56 rgloor: you need to register your nickname to be able to speak Sep 07 07:26:47 rgloor: cool to see another swiss user :) Sep 07 07:26:56 damn, too late Sep 07 07:29:04 :) Sep 07 09:10:20 morning warpdesign Sep 07 09:51:35 hi everyone does anyone here know how to create a headless app with ares Sep 07 09:51:47 hmm Sep 07 09:51:49 never tried Sep 07 09:51:51 i tried doing the obvious things that i would do with eclipse but it's not working Sep 07 09:52:50 the ui designer in ares can not beat and i don't want to give it up when making headless apps Sep 07 10:04:51 anyone here who wants to make a headless app with ares make sure in your app-assistant.js file to not call createStageWithCallback with the lightweight option set to true. Once I removed it everything worked out. Sep 07 10:05:58 cool Sep 07 11:30:30 morning all Sep 07 11:30:57 bhodder morning Sep 07 11:31:36 anything new going on Sep 07 11:32:28 morning Sep 07 11:33:16 nor what i know Sep 07 11:33:19 not* Sep 07 11:39:40 cool Sep 07 11:45:44 :q Sep 07 11:46:11 meh Sep 07 11:48:46 when I press an item in a list widget, an unwanted additional left-padding appears. How can I know what css rule this comes from, considering the palm-inspector doesn't update "on-tap" Sep 07 11:48:50 ? Sep 07 11:51:28 this only happens on first and last rows of the list Sep 07 11:51:37 btw, is there a way to see all predefined css rules ? Sep 07 11:57:37 palm-inspector? Sep 07 11:57:51 i did the following, famic Sep 07 11:58:08 .grid-cell { Sep 07 11:58:08 color: #000; Sep 07 11:58:08 } Sep 07 11:58:08 .grid-cell.selected { Sep 07 11:58:08 color: #fff; Sep 07 11:58:21 hold on Sep 07 11:58:24 i'll use pastie Sep 07 11:59:23 http://pastie.org/1143462 Sep 07 12:03:09 that should work Sep 07 12:20:49 morning roy-pre1010 Sep 07 12:20:54 roy-pre101 even Sep 07 12:21:30 Morning Markus. (0101010) Sep 07 12:21:55 $L("Salutations"); Sep 07 12:22:16 I'm working on Part 3 of my webOS SDK Tutorial Sep 07 12:22:26 AJAX and YQL and how to feed the result to a list Sep 07 12:25:55 roy-pre101 i was just going to put it into "external resources" Sep 07 12:26:41 Bmyers: I see what you did there. Sep 07 12:27:06 swisstomcat: Whatever makes sense to you. Sep 07 12:27:15 both places fit i think Sep 07 12:34:26 done Sep 07 12:40:11 Is there an event before scene pops? I'd need to do something before user can exit scene. Sep 07 12:41:16 deactivate() Sep 07 12:41:30 is called Sep 07 12:41:47 put everything there that you want to have called before the scene pops Sep 07 12:42:18 XXXAssistant.prototype.deactivate = function(event) { Sep 07 12:42:18 /* remove any event handlers you added in activate and do any other cleanup that should happen before Sep 07 12:42:18 this scene is popped or another scene is pushed on top */ Sep 07 12:42:18 }; Sep 07 12:42:48 Ok, thanks. I did try that but it didn't work. I have probably something wrong in my code. Sep 07 12:43:09 what are you trying to do? Sep 07 12:43:27 To show alert dialog Sep 07 12:44:33 don't know if that'll work Sep 07 12:44:46 Nope. Nothing gets shown when I press esc. Would it be that the dialog gets killed before it's shown? Sep 07 12:44:54 could be Sep 07 12:45:13 teemu: You are quite limited in what you can do in the deactivate. Sep 07 12:45:14 what is the dialog saying? Sep 07 12:45:29 teemu: Instead, you should intercept the back gesture and do your own scene pop. Sep 07 12:45:39 Of course, that will not stop people from throwing your card away. Sep 07 12:45:41 swisstomcat: "do you want to save changes" yes/no/cancel Sep 07 12:45:49 i wouldn't do that Sep 07 12:45:58 teemu: That isn't a webOS-ism so I recommend against it. Sep 07 12:45:58 just save the data Sep 07 12:46:03 yeah Sep 07 12:46:08 Right. Ok :) Sep 07 12:46:10 Good to know. Sep 07 12:46:31 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1724&Itemid=40 Sep 07 12:46:35 I was thinking about that. I mean, there's no mention of this behavior thus it's not supported ;) Sep 07 12:46:39 Top Tips for Developing Great webOS App UIs Sep 07 12:46:57 If the data is something that the default would be to -not- save it then add a save button and have the default be to throw it away, but even that goes against convention. Sep 07 12:47:42 So you'd simply save it? Sep 07 12:47:43 Do be sure to save before deactivate because deactivate isn't guaranteed to finish long actions. Sep 07 12:48:04 "When editing content that resides on the device (or in an account the device is connected to) like Contacts, Calendar Events, Tasks and more, the Back gesture automatically saves changes made in the scene." Sep 07 12:48:09 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1527&Itemid=19 Sep 07 12:48:19 that's from the application checklist Sep 07 12:49:01 hehe, ok ok. I'll read all that now to save you guys from simple questions. Sep 07 12:49:11 hehe Sep 07 12:49:19 like we all follow those guidelines :) Sep 07 12:49:32 but it has good tips Sep 07 12:50:26 Btw, where would I get Pre Plus? I live in Finland and the closest I've found is from Germany with a big price tag. Sep 07 12:50:33 Without a contract of course :) Sep 07 12:51:37 probably germany Sep 07 12:51:43 or ebay Sep 07 12:52:18 They'll reboot this screen computer in a moment so I'll be gone for a moment or two. Sep 07 12:52:41 Yea, I've been looking from there. Some 350 euros is a bit much. Oh well. I'll keep looking. Sep 07 12:55:37 hmm Sep 07 12:55:58 i'm sending a package to finland soon ... maybe i could two pre's into that one to save postage? Sep 07 12:57:44 You're in the resales business? Sep 07 12:57:49 no Sep 07 12:58:00 i'm just about to send a developer pre to finland Sep 07 12:58:34 Developer Pre or Pre for a developer? :) Sep 07 12:58:39 both Sep 07 12:58:54 a developer pre for a developer Sep 07 12:59:06 That's different from the normal Pre? Sep 07 12:59:13 shhh ... let's stop trash talking haeffb .. he's here now Sep 07 12:59:48 it only works on WIFI Sep 07 13:01:02 Oh. Too bad. I'd really love to have one as a every day phone. My current HTC s360 or something is amazingly bad. And I don't want to buy Android just to get a phone. Sep 07 13:01:21 evo Sep 07 13:01:25 i got a pixi plus for cheap on ebay (180 euros) Sep 07 13:01:43 Bmyers: never Sep 07 13:01:53 swisstomcat: ebay.com? Sep 07 13:01:58 gsm evo, bmyers? Sep 07 13:02:01 teemu: yeah Sep 07 13:02:03 from germany Sep 07 13:02:10 That's a good deal. Sep 07 13:02:16 yeah, that's what i thought Sep 07 13:02:21 oh, dunno. there must be a gsm version Sep 07 13:02:33 here in the states. its an awesome phone Sep 07 13:02:38 Ok, I might disconnect soon.. Sep 07 13:04:07 "unlockable" Sep 07 13:04:10 gah. Sep 07 13:04:28 anyone would know where I can see the default css rules being applied by mojo ? Sep 07 13:05:11 AT&T unlockable for a good price :( Sep 07 13:05:16 inspector Sep 07 13:05:23 Famic: Sep 07 13:05:34 inspector, until it crashes Sep 07 13:05:35 gütentag Sep 07 13:05:56 haeffb: I have an unwanted padding when I tap on a list item. Inspector can't show it to me as it doesn't update on tap Sep 07 13:05:59 guten tag, codeslaw Sep 07 13:06:07 Well, if anyone happens to know where to get Pre Plus without a contract and unlocked I'm all ears. Sep 07 13:06:13 oh its two words? how foolish of me Sep 07 13:06:13 famic: http://pastie.org/1143462 Sep 07 13:06:27 swisstomcat: how much is it for the developer version? Sep 07 13:06:29 Famic: then you have to study the .css files... :( Sep 07 13:06:35 teemu: are you writing a PDK app that you plan to release before sept 30? Sep 07 13:06:50 haeffb: first I need to locate them... any idea ? Sep 07 13:07:09 codeslaw: heh, no. Why? Sep 07 13:07:11 teemu: imported from the us Sep 07 13:07:16 swisstomcat: what's this ? Sep 07 13:07:33 swisstomcat: imported? What? :) Sep 07 13:08:07 in the sdk dir... drill down to stylesheets Sep 07 13:08:18 famic: that's how i got rid of the padding Sep 07 13:08:34 teemu: sprint pre's imported from the us are pretty cheap Sep 07 13:08:51 swisstomcat: but that's with contract then? Sep 07 13:09:33 no contract .. wifi only Sep 07 13:09:36 since they're cdma Sep 07 13:09:43 but for developing Sep 07 13:09:47 Famic: under refcode Sep 07 13:10:01 swisstomcat: what in that would change anything about padding ? o_O Sep 07 13:10:21 codeslaw: why did you ask? Sep 07 13:10:50 famic: believe me, it does .. add that to your stylesheet and listTemplate and you'll see :) Sep 07 13:11:04 palm gave out development devices for PDK developers (free) Sep 07 13:11:15 not sure if they still have them Sep 07 13:11:23 swisstomcat: aren't they all quadband these days? Sep 07 13:11:30 nah Sep 07 13:11:32 CDMA Sep 07 13:11:34 :( Sep 07 13:12:05 america insists in using CDMA ... same with miles ;) Sep 07 13:12:45 Oh that's cool. Well I'm more interested of webservices and corporate stuff and I have zero experience in 3D gaming. So I doubt I'd get one even if there would be some left. Sep 07 13:12:50 I wish I could have access to one of these devices Sep 07 13:14:13 haha Sep 07 13:14:15 RT @twtomcat Do you think @Palm needs an Developer Support/Relations Team based in Europe? RT please if you agree // Which state is that? :) Sep 07 13:18:20 warpdesign: #webos-internals: GNUtoo|laptop: hi, are there some french people here? are SFR palm-pre plus simlocked? Sep 07 13:19:04 morning all Sep 07 13:19:19 morning hattczech Sep 07 13:20:34 hi warpdesign_ Sep 07 13:20:50 I was told that you're french ans so you've got an SFR palm-pre-plus Sep 07 13:20:55 are they simlocked Sep 07 13:21:02 are there non-simlocked versions Sep 07 13:21:02 ? Sep 07 13:26:01 I'm french Sep 07 13:26:07 but I do not own a pre plus Sep 07 13:26:19 I know they are sold simlocked though Sep 07 13:26:31 but you're supposed to be able to ask them to unlock it Sep 07 13:26:36 hi warpdesign_ Sep 07 13:27:11 some says you have to pay, some says it's free. I think that if you buy the standalone (without any contract) expensive version you may ask for it for free though Sep 07 13:27:15 anyone would like to take a look at my tutorial (involving lists,ajax and yql)? Sep 07 13:27:15 hi Bmyers Sep 07 13:27:22 sure swisstomcat Sep 07 13:28:39 hope that helps Sep 07 13:28:58 warpdesign: sent Sep 07 13:29:11 warpdesign_, ok if I buy the 479E that doesn't come with a sim card? are there still simlocked? Sep 07 13:29:29 ah ok Sep 07 13:29:59 swisstomcat: I'll look Sep 07 13:30:15 i'll send it to you Sep 07 13:30:36 swisstomcat: how much do you ask for the dev version? Sep 07 13:30:57 i'd have to source another device Sep 07 13:31:06 the last was like $180 or so Sep 07 13:32:39 swisstomcat, thanks Sep 07 13:33:13 feedback appreciated Sep 07 13:33:15 haeffb: sent Sep 07 13:33:36 got Sep 07 13:36:33 i see a few for $133, teemu Sep 07 13:37:02 i might also have a gsm pre, used, unlocked Sep 07 13:37:43 But no Pre Plus? Sep 07 13:40:26 There's plenty of "unlocked Pre Plus" listings on ebay.com but they all are a bit vague what unlocked means. One even says only 2G works. Sep 07 13:44:15 no plus, sorry Sep 07 13:44:55 ok Sep 07 13:49:33 gah, i hate creating slide presentations Sep 07 13:51:28 me too Sep 07 13:51:33 I'm never satisfied Sep 07 14:06:12 hello all Sep 07 14:06:23 hey lonestar Sep 07 14:07:10 kesne: posted this link yesterday, http://yfrog.com/7fh9vj , trying to figure out what is meant by supported in webos Sep 07 14:31:02 LoneStar99: talk to tibfib about emoticons Sep 07 14:32:36 ok thanks Sep 07 14:33:34 tibfib is the emoticon master? Sep 07 14:40:01 official title, yes Sep 07 14:45:57 nice Sep 07 15:13:32 Morning everybody Sep 07 15:22:18 mornin' Sep 07 15:23:03 at work Sep 07 15:23:04 bleh Sep 07 15:23:08 who here has a pixi? Sep 07 15:23:54 codeslaw_: My wife has one at home. Sep 07 15:24:41 i wrote 80% of a partical visualizer over the weekend in opengl Sep 07 15:25:07 Cool, how is performance with it? Sep 07 15:25:09 can i send you an ipk later to maybe see if it runs on the pixi? Sep 07 15:25:11 hah Sep 07 15:25:26 performance is good without ~8k particles, but i just realized i have been overclockin Sep 07 15:25:32 who wants to guess how large my irc log files are right now... Sep 07 15:25:34 i need to turn that off and see where i'm at Sep 07 15:25:42 Sure, send it over and I'll check it when I get home. Sep 07 15:26:20 it's an orbital graivty simulator, so there is a ton of shit happening each frame Sep 07 15:27:55 oh wtf... Sep 07 15:28:19 halfhalo: 20mb Sep 07 15:28:27 no Sep 07 15:28:36 i have a pixi plus right here Sep 07 15:28:41 really? Sep 07 15:28:43 yeah Sep 07 15:28:50 its been running since 11pm last nigh for this channel and its at 57KB Sep 07 15:28:52 a new dev device i got from ebay Sep 07 15:28:52 i dont have an ipk ready to go, let me see though Sep 07 15:29:14 of course, it SHOULD be smaller since it should have made a new file at midnight... but meh Sep 07 15:38:44 palm-install is hanging for me Sep 07 15:38:50 wondering wtf is up Sep 07 15:39:00 swisstomcat: trying to get an ipk over to you Sep 07 15:39:07 do you have 1.4.5? Sep 07 15:39:18 yeah Sep 07 15:39:55 doesn't the pixi plus have a touchstone cover by default? Sep 07 15:40:05 no idea Sep 07 15:40:29 the touchstone doesn't catch it .. i guess it doesn't :( Sep 07 15:40:49 I think it depends on the carrier Sep 07 15:43:13 morning chuqui Sep 07 15:43:30 did govnah5 ever get removed? Sep 07 15:43:33 swisstomcat: att's pixi plus don't idk about verizon Sep 07 15:43:40 good morning. Sep 07 15:43:42 Good morning chuqui Sep 07 15:43:51 mornin Sep 07 15:43:52 I'mnot sure. If not, it will be shortly as soon as the review team wakes up Sep 07 15:44:17 how many ppl is in review team? Sep 07 15:44:24 and I'll be talking to the dev to get a sense of what he thinks he's doing and why w shouldn't suspend his acct. Sep 07 15:44:30 3 plus a monkey Sep 07 15:44:35 :p Sep 07 15:44:51 halfhalo: hehehe Sep 07 15:45:13 well, if the dev put in that liiiiitle bit of extra work and made it all kosher with gpl he would have been fine in that regard Sep 07 15:45:16 don't forget the minions Sep 07 15:46:39 suspended three apps today, do you all think i can paste the source code to a drawing app on webos101? Sep 07 15:49:16 i would suspend all the apps ;d Sep 07 15:53:34 suspend sounds like a good idea Sep 07 15:53:35 swisstomcat: pixi's cover is rubber like the touchstone cover, but no magnets Sep 07 15:53:54 who got suspended and why? Sep 07 15:54:11 someone tried to submit govnah to the web cat Sep 07 15:54:19 yer a fake one right? Sep 07 15:54:29 yup Sep 07 15:54:31 maik, suspended 4 apps, that have low ratings, and no point of revamping Sep 07 15:54:47 oh you did? Sep 07 15:54:48 maik: thanks .. guess i'll have to look for a touchstone cover then Sep 07 15:55:20 swisstomcat: radioshack! Sep 07 15:55:28 not in europe :) Sep 07 15:55:47 maybe i should get an ed hardy touchstone cover :P Sep 07 15:56:05 oh forgot that u live in eu Sep 07 15:57:51 mornin Sep 07 15:59:10 * swisstomcat hands pandora an extra "g" Sep 07 15:59:22 * pandora-- noms Sep 07 16:00:39 morning pandora Sep 07 16:01:09 * maik 's catching up on precentral news Sep 07 16:01:29 lol like there is s... load of them Sep 07 16:02:11 people breaking NDA :/ Sep 07 16:03:18 swisstomcat: is there tesco in switzerland? Sep 07 16:06:33 maik: again? Sep 07 16:06:37 lonestar: nah Sep 07 16:07:33 k Sep 07 16:09:06 swisstomcat: $10 on amazon Sep 07 16:09:16 without shipping Sep 07 16:09:41 yeah, but if you have someone ship it to you its like 5 bucks Sep 07 16:10:06 hmm Sep 07 16:10:16 i see it for $20 Sep 07 16:11:24 ah, found it on the german amazon Sep 07 16:12:12 swisstomcat: was that $133 for Pre Plus? Sep 07 16:12:21 not, a sprint pre Sep 07 16:12:26 s/not/no Sep 07 16:12:59 who can get me one? Sep 07 16:13:05 a touchstone cover for the pixi Sep 07 16:13:09 ? Sep 07 16:13:13 if you pay for shipping I can Sep 07 16:13:22 still have some boxes left over methinks Sep 07 16:13:31 sure Sep 07 16:24:24 angry birds at about 60,000+ downloads a day Sep 07 16:24:59 so is leak-gate over now? Sep 07 16:25:04 lol Sep 07 16:25:06 omg.. I go to deposit my checks and cash and the stupid atms are down Sep 07 16:25:32 halfhalo: you have to use the meat tellers? Sep 07 16:26:00 don't have any right now at the on campus branch Sep 07 16:26:00 checks? who still uses checks? Sep 07 16:26:14 I do when my dad gives me them to deposit Sep 07 16:26:23 heh Sep 07 16:26:35 mostly because its free for me vs like 2 bucks for him Sep 07 16:29:12 anyone have experience with palm-install hanging, not doing anything? Sep 07 16:29:32 nope Sep 07 16:30:01 codeslaw_: It happened to me once. Restarting my pre seemed to fix the problem. Sep 07 16:30:06 trying it Sep 07 16:30:32 nope Sep 07 16:33:35 Robdor: thx worked Sep 07 16:34:14 swisstomcat: pm your email address i'll send this ipk Sep 07 16:34:24 hmm Sep 07 16:35:29 kesne: regarding the emoticon chart, how are they compatible, does webos automatically render an image? Sep 07 16:37:48 oh, leak-gate is just getting started Sep 07 16:37:55 yup Sep 07 16:38:09 * halfhalo pulls the popcorn out from inside his desk Sep 07 16:39:45 more leaks? Sep 07 16:39:59 more leaks? Sep 07 16:40:21 * swisstomcat gets out the scrubbers and buckets Sep 07 16:40:39 more leaks?? Sep 07 16:42:23 swisstomcat: not sure if the top story on PreCentral is or not, but it's screenshots from 2.0, so probably Sep 07 16:42:27 moar leakz? Sep 07 16:42:35 oh! Sep 07 16:42:37 damn leakers Sep 07 16:42:57 when i mentioned it earlier though, i was just getting caught up on my precentral feed and hadn't seen the one from teh 2nd Sep 07 16:43:00 truth betold, they ARE taking a leak in a craphole... :p Sep 07 16:44:34 Ugh Sep 07 16:44:37 more lreaks :/ Sep 07 16:44:47 offtopic: AT&T locked phone.. how realistic is it to get that unlocked? I'd like to know just so I don't buy such for nothing Sep 07 16:44:53 LoneStar99: In messenging Sep 07 16:45:06 VPN *yummy* Sep 07 16:46:07 :/ Sep 07 16:46:17 chuqui: sorry for stupids :( Sep 07 16:46:33 also, i think Palm might want to start being a little more selective on who it lets into early access Sep 07 16:46:43 i say that, now that i'm safely in :) Sep 07 16:48:05 Wasn't it like anyone who asked got in? Sep 07 16:48:07 chuqui: IT WAS MAIK! Sep 07 16:48:18 OMG!!! Sep 07 16:48:20 teemu: i think so Sep 07 16:48:22 kesne: you're a bot Sep 07 16:48:24 I CAN'T BELIEVE IT Sep 07 16:48:25 halfhalo: SHHHHH Sep 07 16:48:31 I was thinking of applying but figured no need to Sep 07 16:48:35 chuqui, when will the apps get released? =| Sep 07 16:48:36 * halfhalo expects bribe Sep 07 16:48:39 :( Sep 07 16:48:42 palm seems to have a slow line of releasing apps Sep 07 16:48:47 i'll bribe you with a knuckle sammich Sep 07 16:49:04 * halfhalo is holding a knife like object Sep 07 16:49:11 teemu: with all of these leaks, ya you really didn't need to :/ Sep 07 16:49:22 * maik is holding an phone with anti-theft capabilities Sep 07 16:49:28 s/an/a/ Sep 07 16:50:04 maik: :( Sep 07 16:50:26 nah, we all know is was kesne Sep 07 16:50:32 lol Sep 07 16:50:33 he's just pointing fingers. Sep 07 16:50:34 :'( Sep 07 16:50:45 yo, funky! Sep 07 16:50:53 How'd you know?! Sep 07 16:51:03 because it's always you Sep 07 16:51:07 :p Sep 07 16:51:32 lol Sep 07 16:52:01 by the way, the fake "govnah" app has been suspended. So have all of that dev's other apps. and his account. And I'm waiting for email from him about the situation so I can help him get unsuspended. Sep 07 16:52:17 wait... there were other apps? Sep 07 16:52:45 were any blatant ripoffs like govnah Sep 07 16:52:56 govnah was fake? =_= Sep 07 16:53:15 govnah in the app catalog, probably Sep 07 16:53:35 Questions about unlocking are a no-no here or nobody just knows? I wouldn't be asking, but I'm trying to find myself a good deal since my country has hardly heard of Palm Pre :( Sep 07 16:53:53 chuqui, do you know any reasons why apps are releasing super slow? Sep 07 16:53:59 we just don't know Sep 07 16:54:06 its been a week =| first time encountering that Sep 07 16:54:09 teemu: i don't think many people know about unlocking on the Pre since we haven't had to worry about it Sep 07 16:54:37 chuqui rules Sep 07 16:54:44 maik: ok :) Sep 07 16:54:46 chuqui does =) Sep 07 16:54:55 no he doesn't, stop being a kissass Sep 07 16:55:02 lol Sep 07 16:55:05 monday was labor day .. no work Sep 07 16:55:11 is palm going to be at ces? Sep 07 16:55:19 Nyceane: holiday weekend. they'll be working to catch up Sep 07 16:55:45 chuqui, thanks =) Sep 07 16:56:13 we haven't announced anything about CES Sep 07 16:56:48 you should Sep 07 16:57:01 :p Sep 07 16:57:18 I was thinking more along the lines of a booth or whatnot Sep 07 16:59:13 lol. There's one Pre Plus on ebay without volume buttons Sep 07 16:59:23 hey chuqui, is palm webos 2.0 going to support the tablet? Sep 07 16:59:25 who needs those Sep 07 16:59:28 "easy fix if you get the buttons" Sep 07 16:59:37 nyceane: are you expecting a response? Sep 07 16:59:45 swisstomcat, yes Sep 07 16:59:53 i can give you the answer already Sep 07 16:59:58 "LOOK A PUPPY!" Sep 07 16:59:59 sure Sep 07 16:59:59 chuqui: is the tablet going to be given for free to us webOS members who you really like? Sep 07 17:00:02 =_= Sep 07 17:00:11 lol Sep 07 17:00:25 if it supports tablet, I'll start looking into it, I have a few ideas I can work on Sep 07 17:00:35 but if it doesn't, then I dont really have a point of downloading it Sep 07 17:01:29 http://www.wibozi.com/ Sep 07 17:02:12 who thinks 2.0 will launch with a new device Sep 07 17:02:21 ITS OK, ITS NOT IN ENGLISH SO NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT Sep 07 17:02:35 it only has screenshots Sep 07 17:02:36 google translate Sep 07 17:02:47 googles not real Sep 07 17:02:48 yea it has no info Sep 07 17:03:12 so what? Sep 07 17:03:23 what in the NDA says 'you're ok to leak screenshots' Sep 07 17:03:26 do you think a new device will aunch with this? I could reallu do with a larger screen but keep the portraid slider keyboard Sep 07 17:03:43 damn chinise Sep 07 17:03:47 that's not my website. take it up with them. It's also on precentral Sep 07 17:03:55 front page Sep 07 17:04:11 there will always be leaks. Sep 07 17:04:21 sue Sep 07 17:04:58 and leaks also help Palm. At least people will know something is coming. The Pre is old now Sep 07 17:05:28 And here I am trying to get one :P Sep 07 17:06:18 if palm could find the leaker and sue them, and essentially take there life away. Think music pirate lawsuits... Sep 07 17:06:29 the leaks would probably stop Sep 07 17:07:01 trying to get what? A pre? Sep 07 17:07:08 yeah Sep 07 17:07:10 in finland Sep 07 17:07:12 Deihmos: yeah. Pre Plus Sep 07 17:07:15 "unofficial" country Sep 07 17:07:17 The only way I would get a pre now if it is free or really cheap with no contract Sep 07 17:07:52 I think something new is coming soon Sep 07 17:08:34 they a;ready said a new device by the holiday season Sep 07 17:08:38 in the US at least Sep 07 17:09:00 pre 2.0 =) Sep 07 17:09:20 I hope not, I hope we get something with at least a 4" screen if not bigger Sep 07 17:09:46 or a pre with a 4" screen Sep 07 17:09:52 Well either way it's damn hard to get a phone that requires a contract Sep 07 17:10:08 why Sep 07 17:10:10 ebay it Sep 07 17:10:16 oh your not in the us Sep 07 17:10:47 its easier to get them off contract then on Sep 07 17:11:48 Well ebay.com does have sellers who sell to worldwide but then the phone is locked :( Sep 07 17:12:23 Oh well. I keep looking. Sep 07 17:12:31 CTLAdvance: you want a tablet, not a phone Sep 07 17:12:43 well I want both Sep 07 17:12:52 I want a phone with at least a 4" screen Sep 07 17:12:52 same Sep 07 17:12:55 CTLAdvance, they did? I am sure I heard next year Sep 07 17:12:56 Hmm Sep 07 17:12:57 and a 10" tablet Sep 07 17:12:58 I WANT EVERYTHING Sep 07 17:13:07 maik: Why did you leak? Sep 07 17:13:15 although looks like ill be getting an exopc now Sep 07 17:13:22 kesne: you're a bot Sep 07 17:13:30 your all bots Sep 07 17:13:35 maik: reference not found Sep 07 17:13:45 botsnack Sep 07 17:13:49 OM NOM NOM Sep 07 17:14:00 :( Sep 07 17:15:07 when did Palm say a new device is comign by holiday Sep 07 17:15:25 never Sep 07 17:15:33 And if they did, they'll just deny it Sep 07 17:16:02 ummm... Sep 07 17:16:21 its raining Sep 07 17:16:26 WHY THE HELL IS IT RAINING Sep 07 17:16:39 well... Sep 07 17:16:58 it was 100 two days ago Sep 07 17:17:29 Where do you live? Sep 07 17:17:38 outside of LA Sep 07 17:17:46 No, I mean the specific address Sep 07 17:18:08 North of LA. thats all your gonna get Sep 07 17:18:13 Hah Sep 07 17:18:27 I was going to send ninjas to your house Sep 07 17:19:07 lol Sep 07 17:19:27 On KSO, my profile picture is me in white jeans Sep 07 17:23:28 CTLAdvance: I held a Galaxy S series yesterday. that may be about the right size. Evo is too big. Sep 07 17:24:06 Ninjas don't need a specific address, they're already closing on your house, halfhalo Sep 07 17:24:13 meh Sep 07 17:24:19 GET OUT Sep 07 17:24:30 i thought it was "get to tha choppa"? Sep 07 17:24:39 that too Sep 07 17:25:09 oh man, this makes me think of pablo francisco Sep 07 17:25:19 and i'm desperately fighting the urge to watch some youtube videos of him Sep 07 17:25:37 in other news: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-09/miot-mrc090110.php Sep 07 17:25:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9pAv-z2ens <<<-- some Pablo.. Sep 07 17:25:54 bastard Sep 07 17:25:56 heh, is that the guy that does the voices and impressions? Sep 07 17:25:58 * maik refuses to click Sep 07 17:26:00 ya Sep 07 17:26:27 The audio is out of sync in that video Sep 07 17:26:55 Hey Sep 07 17:26:58 Guess what!? Sep 07 17:27:18 I was watching some Kevin Hart clips this weekend. That guy is funny (if you dont mind the occasional profanity) Sep 07 17:29:05 haeffn_pre yeah I like the evo Sep 07 17:29:09 I also liked the HD2 Sep 07 17:29:26 I hate android... so evo and galaxy s is out Sep 07 17:29:43 <3 webos Sep 07 17:30:11 i like webOS as well, just hope they have several good form factors Sep 07 17:30:30 it needs to be much faster though. hopefully that will improve Sep 07 17:30:50 and not just by throwing bigger processors at it Sep 07 17:30:50 yeah since were mostly CPU still, a ,ore powerful cpu should do the trick Sep 07 17:31:15 if they could move most of the os weight on the GPU then well be in better shape Sep 07 17:31:24 I am not sure of the extent of this Sep 07 17:31:26 the iphone runs circles around webos on the same class CPU so it's a matter of efficiency Sep 07 17:37:21 does android use the gpu at all? Sep 07 17:37:43 i think one of the reasons it is so fast is because it barely has graphics Sep 07 17:37:43 almost finished node based irc logs http://silentbluesystems.com/irc/2010/9/7/ Sep 07 17:37:53 icons look like stickers on paper Sep 07 17:40:09 biabb time to walk to class Sep 07 17:41:57 lol Sep 07 17:42:39 walk? Sep 07 17:42:43 americans do walk? Sep 07 17:42:46 :P Sep 07 17:42:52 no Sep 07 17:42:54 by "walk" Sep 07 17:42:56 he means Sep 07 17:42:59 "hoveround" Sep 07 17:43:02 motorized scooter Sep 07 17:43:07 lol Sep 07 17:43:45 halfhalo: the log updates in real time? Sep 07 17:44:08 looks like Sep 07 17:44:14 meh, he's out walking or something Sep 07 17:44:41 i believe he has a bot in the channel Sep 07 17:44:54 and its probably nodejs? Sep 07 17:45:27 yeah, nodejs is in all the channels that are being logged Sep 07 17:47:18 What is nodejs Sep 07 17:47:21 swisstomcat: how's tut #3 coming? Sep 07 17:47:33 kesne: GOOGLE Sep 07 17:47:41 oilsworkn: I mean the bot Sep 07 17:48:06 halfhalo's code Sep 07 17:49:26 hmm Sep 07 17:51:16 kesne: go work on ur game Sep 07 17:51:23 or better yet Sep 07 17:51:24 what? Sep 07 17:51:29 go do homework hahaha Sep 07 17:51:35 Hah Sep 07 17:51:43 It gets old after the 100th time Sep 07 17:51:47 Old joke is old. Sep 07 17:51:54 or you will never get to high school :( Sep 07 17:52:08 i thought jokes were like wine, they only get better with age? Sep 07 17:52:30 because they do incidentist Sep 07 17:52:30 dundundun.... Sep 07 17:52:33 oilsworkn* Sep 07 17:53:39 I actually havent started school Sep 07 17:53:53 they kicked u out? Sep 07 17:53:57 And who is en0x? Any why is he telling me what to do? Sep 07 17:54:02 lol Sep 07 17:54:06 No, hasn't started yet. Sep 07 17:54:10 I'm a good student :P Sep 07 17:54:12 * oilsworkn has seen en0x around Sep 07 17:54:40 I still have to make mah html templates for dem dere logger Sep 07 17:54:43 and xml template Sep 07 17:54:46 and live page Sep 07 17:54:57 frakk Sep 07 17:55:24 Why do my ' thingys have a slash before them? Sep 07 17:55:37 escape them!! Sep 07 17:55:41 strip them! Sep 07 17:55:46 your what now? Sep 07 17:55:47 regexp them Sep 07 17:56:10 I used to need them Sep 07 17:56:17 php? Sep 07 17:56:24 misconfiguration! Sep 07 17:56:34 phplease Sep 07 17:56:47 I needed them because of how I handling the string in JS Sep 07 17:56:53 who uses php nowadays? Sep 07 17:56:59 but now, with list widget, I don't Sep 07 17:57:04 en0x: Everybody Sep 07 17:57:07 there is no php configuration problem that can't be fixed with 35 consecutive ini_set() calls Sep 07 17:57:09 i dont kesne Sep 07 17:57:10 * oilsworkn <3 php Sep 07 17:57:14 django FTW! Sep 07 17:57:19 mmmm pyrhon Sep 07 17:57:22 also, python Sep 07 17:57:32 eww, whitespace Sep 07 17:58:45 PHP is full of win Sep 07 17:59:04 u should write ur webpages in asp kesne Sep 07 17:59:18 ASP is microsofts child, no? Sep 07 17:59:27 what and serve from a crappy IIS server? Sep 07 17:59:36 lol Sep 07 17:59:48 apache is crappy too Sep 07 17:59:58 cherokee ftw Sep 07 18:00:00 crappy, but free and flexible Sep 07 18:00:04 halfhalo++ Sep 07 18:00:05 cherokee, there we go Sep 07 18:00:08 also free Sep 07 18:00:45 nginx and lighttpd is ok too Sep 07 18:00:59 havent tried either, but heard good things about lighttpd Sep 07 18:02:06 someone give me some random channels to send mah bot in to test Sep 07 18:02:16 #random Sep 07 18:02:34 empty Sep 07 18:02:50 #some_random_channel Sep 07 18:02:55 ... Sep 07 18:03:06 #otherhalfofthehalo Sep 07 18:03:12 lol Sep 07 18:03:30 #bot_test_channel_by_halfhalo Sep 07 18:03:40 speaking of which, 7 more days Sep 07 18:03:51 till? Sep 07 18:03:54 dooms day? Sep 07 18:03:57 reach Sep 07 18:04:04 ugg Sep 07 18:04:08 lol Sep 07 18:04:38 hmmm Sep 07 18:04:41 ok who wanna join me for a smoke? Sep 07 18:04:44 this looks like a quiz Sep 07 18:04:54 bbiaf Sep 07 18:05:07 where @ en0x ? Sep 07 18:06:03 @ bu... right next to city convenience store Sep 07 18:07:42 lulz Sep 07 18:07:45 maybe not... Sep 07 18:11:11 en0x: no clue where that is Sep 07 18:11:38 oh it's because u r from canada... no sweat man... Sep 07 18:11:54 lol Sep 07 18:11:55 canada Sep 07 18:12:03 ola Sep 07 18:12:04 * oilsworkn is not from canada Sep 07 18:12:06 * halfhalo laughs Sep 07 18:12:20 hello MetaView! Sep 07 18:12:24 oilsworkn: hehehe Sep 07 18:12:49 * oilsworkn is not jason Sep 07 18:13:05 well but we can deport u to canada anytime Sep 07 18:13:21 what kind of monster are you?! Sep 07 18:13:41 hmmm i'm a Polish monstah Sep 07 18:13:41 ;p Sep 07 18:13:49 well, at least you weren't like "why would you do that to canada" Sep 07 18:14:11 lol Sep 07 18:14:27 re Sep 07 18:15:56 en0x: sema Sep 07 18:16:27 ShadeS: i think u meant "siema"? Sep 07 18:18:32 15 Checkers Image Uploads Sep 07 18:18:40 * oilsworkn is shocked Sep 07 18:18:46 en0x: tak Sep 07 18:18:53 jestem analfabeto Sep 07 18:18:58 ShadeS: widac lol Sep 07 18:19:16 something about anal? Sep 07 18:19:27 no Sep 07 18:19:31 ... Sep 07 18:19:34 lol Sep 07 18:19:41 ShadeS: a ty skad z uk? Sep 07 18:19:54 jestem z krakowa Sep 07 18:19:55 oilsworkn: well... ur wife will be home soon... Sep 07 18:20:02 * oilsworkn has no wife Sep 07 18:20:19 oilsworkn: oh i meant blow up doll... :P Sep 07 18:20:19 * oilsworkn has nobody to cook him sandwiches while he's coding Sep 07 18:20:26 ShadeS: pre uzywasz? czy nie? Sep 07 18:20:36 ShadeS: w ogole widziales moze pixi w pl? Sep 07 18:20:36 she got too close to the stove and popped Sep 07 18:20:42 tak uzywam Sep 07 18:20:55 kodujesz tez? Sep 07 18:21:06 ja mieskam w californi Sep 07 18:21:13 ... Sep 07 18:21:22 oh calironia... Sep 07 18:21:28 probuje kodowac Sep 07 18:21:29 polish? Sep 07 18:21:29 smierdzi nuda :P Sep 07 18:21:31 (says google) Sep 07 18:21:40 oilsworkn: indeed Sep 07 18:21:40 ale wolno mi idze Sep 07 18:21:59 aha ja tma nie koduje bo mi sie nie chce i nie mam ochoty nawet zaczynac wole sie bawic tym co inni robia ;D Sep 07 18:22:05 * oilsworkn barely knows english Sep 07 18:22:57 all the cool languages have strings of consonants Sep 07 18:23:54 jake slowo zacinajo i koinco se z 'szcz' ? Sep 07 18:24:14 szczebrzeszyna Sep 07 18:24:14 ;d Sep 07 18:25:06 what's going on on google.com today? Sep 07 18:25:17 the internet. Sep 07 18:25:21 someone brought a vial of LSD-25 to the googleplex Sep 07 18:25:32 lmao Sep 07 18:25:41 i swear if that place was just slightly less professional it would just be a giant rave/party 24/7 Sep 07 18:25:55 I would love to work for google Sep 07 18:26:08 free laundry, sleep pods, the caffeteria is to die for Sep 07 18:26:14 question Sep 07 18:26:19 and their japanese toilets, it feels like you're taking a shit /to the future/ Sep 07 18:26:23 hehe Sep 07 18:26:29 i saw their zurich office .. cool Sep 07 18:26:30 is the recent vkb/nda leak going to end development of the vkb? Sep 07 18:26:57 dohtem: finishing it up as we speak .. want to review it? Sep 07 18:27:41 sure Sep 07 18:27:47 * dohtem feels honored Sep 07 18:28:31 if you review it you can read it for free afterwards ;) Sep 07 18:28:50 what's the vkb? Sep 07 18:28:58 great deal! I'll take two! Sep 07 18:29:01 Virtual KeyBoard Sep 07 18:29:11 why would you want a virtual keyboard Sep 07 18:29:15 when a physical one is far superior Sep 07 18:29:26 you can't text and drive if you have to stare at the screen, that's totally unsafe Sep 07 18:30:09 * oilsworkn feels dangerous text and driving wtih a physical keyboard Sep 07 18:31:29 we'll its great for when I'm in class responding to a text, isnt quite obvious that im texting that way Sep 07 18:32:02 you should be absorbing knowledge, not texting Sep 07 18:32:07 HAH Sep 07 18:32:28 you don't need no education Sep 07 18:32:32 knowledge Sep 07 18:32:34 useless Sep 07 18:32:41 as long as you can lift heavy things, you'll do ok Sep 07 18:32:56 you just got to get further then kesne Sep 07 18:33:05 so you learn how to google before trying to go at it yourself :) Sep 07 18:33:09 yeah, but thats not saying much Sep 07 18:34:03 im in law school, i think how my education works is of little importance to you as I've been doing this learning thing for almost 20 years Sep 07 18:34:27 has palm said development would stop because of the leak Sep 07 18:34:49 thats far too much learning Sep 07 18:34:49 nope Sep 07 18:38:51 your telling me oilsworkn Sep 07 18:42:41 i like to learn me new things all the time Sep 07 18:44:05 oilsworkn has a blow up doll? :( Sep 07 18:44:22 dont talk about sherry that way Sep 07 18:44:32 lol Sep 07 18:44:33 :( im sorry Sep 07 18:44:36 lol Sep 07 18:44:53 codeslaw_: learning new things != school Sep 07 18:45:15 i liken to school learn me things new all time the Sep 07 18:45:45 school is suppose to == hot girls Sep 07 18:46:51 since when? Sep 07 18:49:14 it doesn't happen much in science/math classes Sep 07 18:52:51 Blard Sep 07 18:52:56 I hate designing logos Sep 07 18:53:12 good logos are hard to make Sep 07 18:53:14 heh I love designing logos Sep 07 18:53:43 I suck at it too Sep 07 18:54:33 codeslaw is awesome at it Sep 07 18:54:58 I made the relego icon :O Sep 07 18:56:28 ok, wrote up a simple htm view for the log Sep 07 18:56:41 fancy Sep 07 18:56:44 only shows messages right now tho Sep 07 18:57:00 gotta get mode stuff working properly in the base logger first Sep 07 19:06:19 i do logo design Sep 07 19:06:43 i wouldn't say i'm awesome, but decent =D Sep 07 19:06:47 i do IT work Sep 07 19:06:54 i would say i'm awesome =D Sep 07 19:07:08 of course, so would my employers/clients Sep 07 19:07:17 indeed Sep 07 19:07:26 thankfully my full time job is not designing logos Sep 07 19:07:42 I wouldnt mind that job Sep 07 19:07:59 i work with designers, its not as fun as it seems Sep 07 19:08:13 fun to design stuff for yourself? very Sep 07 19:08:23 fun to design for clients? horribly, horribly wrong Sep 07 19:08:30 speaking of logos and graphic design, i need a couple of images in the palm-menu-foo.png format for Emergency Lights Sep 07 19:08:45 * Anivrom is a graphic designer on the side Sep 07 19:08:54 I know all about the funness of it :P Sep 07 19:08:58 did i link this earlier? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJMDccMW76M Sep 07 19:09:00 word Sep 07 19:10:52 what the hell was she doing up there in the first place? Sep 07 19:12:46 http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1501/finallogo1.jpg logo I did for my uncle's general contracting business Sep 07 19:12:53 The business is called C3 enterprises Sep 07 19:13:29 wow crazy -->lady should have been turned into fried chicken, to feed the population Sep 07 19:13:52 anivrom nice ass logo Sep 07 19:13:54 Those crazy mainlanders Sep 07 19:18:19 ugh, another leak :( Sep 07 19:18:28 link? Sep 07 19:18:32 where this time? Sep 07 19:18:38 it's all over twitter. Sep 07 19:18:45 and engadget Sep 07 19:18:55 wife is makin sushi tonight oh schnapps Sep 07 19:19:45 dohtem the chiniess thing? Sep 07 19:19:56 Chinese, yeah Sep 07 19:20:26 oki, thought there was a new one again Sep 07 19:20:43 swisstomcat: probably crazy old chinese lady who decided to get up on her soapbox Sep 07 19:20:50 s/soapbox/electrical line/ Sep 07 19:24:35 ok laters, need to go clean leaves and branches Sep 07 19:24:43 cya Sep 07 19:27:53 I watched a documentary on illegal dog fighting last night. those dogs be CRZY Sep 07 19:28:30 so, it has been about 24 hours and my app has shown up in the beta RSS feed (as evidenced by it showing up in preware) however any time I go to the link for it the app cat shows "not a valid webOS application" Sep 07 19:28:59 is this normal (as in should I just wait longer) or is there something else I need to look into? Sep 07 19:29:06 u need to wait longer Sep 07 19:29:28 sounds good Sep 07 19:29:52 although the website does list it as published Sep 07 19:30:17 woohoo Sep 07 19:30:18 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/09/app-of-the-day-tunewiki-lyrics-search/ Sep 07 19:30:27 well i'm no dev but when i get that from beta feed I usually wait extra hour longer and then I can download it no problem Sep 07 19:30:28 my app is featured by webosroundup for some reason Sep 07 19:30:32 neat Sep 07 19:30:39 congrats! Sep 07 19:30:40 thats cause you're so sexy pandora-- Sep 07 19:30:45 lol Sep 07 19:30:46 naturally Sep 07 19:30:51 jus sayin Sep 07 19:31:02 en0x: it has been doing this for hours, lol Sep 07 19:31:09 cryptk|work: ;D Sep 07 19:31:17 call palm and ask them WTF Sep 07 19:31:33 and btw ask them where is flash too Sep 07 19:31:34 :) Sep 07 19:31:43 haha, I will get right on that Sep 07 19:31:58 kk thx Sep 07 19:32:26 ok, just got off the phone with them... they said to let you know to wait longer (same thing they told me about my app, lol) Sep 07 19:32:35 how's the app called? Sep 07 19:32:56 but they did confirm that when it comes flash will wok no matter how you hold it Sep 07 19:33:03 cryptk|work: u r lying! i never went thru palm automated crap that fast! Sep 07 19:33:27 It's not lying if you get caught, its a "joke" Sep 07 19:33:45 Anivrom: i like ur explanation ;d Sep 07 19:34:01 Its my modus operendi Sep 07 19:34:10 * Anivrom probably mistyped that Sep 07 19:34:18 there we go Sep 07 19:34:25 en0x: it is called dossizola Sep 07 19:34:30 Do'SSi Zo'la Sep 07 19:34:46 oh i get same crap Sep 07 19:34:58 cryptk|work: lol do u stutter or something? Sep 07 19:35:14 no, I didn't come up with the game Sep 07 19:35:21 I ported it and I am adding more features Sep 07 19:35:39 it will be another webos-internals work of art (like visualboy advance) Sep 07 19:36:02 this is my first experience with the app cat though, lol... most of the things I write just go in our feed for preware Sep 07 19:36:03 hehe "govnah5" is still in "palm web" feed ;d Sep 07 19:36:12 yeah, it should be disappearing soon... Sep 07 19:36:56 who cares anyway :P Sep 07 19:38:58 yeah, we have version 10 of govnah which is way better Sep 07 19:39:43 right Sep 07 19:40:41 swisstomcat: my Govnah go's up to 11 Sep 07 19:43:53 Have Palm said what they will do with the leak this time? Sep 07 19:44:51 fire all the devs and shut the doors to the world like 1800's japan Sep 07 19:45:07 was serius.. Sep 07 19:45:10 only come out when they have something new to say like willy wonka Sep 07 19:45:31 oh ive got a golden ticket Sep 07 19:45:44 * oil adds "turn it up to 11" as new subtitle in govnah :) Sep 07 19:45:46 I ate mine Sep 07 19:45:53 I was so hungry Sep 07 19:46:04 heh Sep 07 19:46:09 spinal tap reference? Sep 07 19:46:24 oil are we going to get 1.2 anytime soon? in the uberkernel Sep 07 19:46:30 1.2ghz Sep 07 19:46:34 * oil has nothing to do with kernels Sep 07 19:46:38 nit that there is much benefit Sep 07 19:46:43 bah Sep 07 19:46:46 * oil just writes javascript Sep 07 19:46:51 i see' Sep 07 19:47:04 * CTLAdvance notices oil likes to talk like this Sep 07 19:47:16 * oil does Sep 07 19:47:27 Ihj Sep 07 19:47:30 * Anivrom wonders who DOESNT Sep 07 19:47:42 i find myself starting a test message with /me sometimes Sep 07 19:47:51 then realize that who im sending it to wouldn't understand and read it correctly Sep 07 19:47:55 oil: I do that sometimes Sep 07 19:48:04 text messages need a standard 3rd person feature! Sep 07 19:48:14 get on that! Sep 07 19:48:22 stupid question time... whats the hex value of < Sep 07 19:48:28 google Sep 07 19:48:32 or the escaped, whatever Sep 07 19:48:36 GOOGLE FAILS ME Sep 07 19:48:56 oh my Sep 07 19:49:11 * oil googled "hex value of <" Sep 07 19:49:13 and got a chart Sep 07 19:49:46 wolfram alpha! Sep 07 19:49:48 the answer is 3C? Sep 07 19:49:57 3C enterprises Sep 07 19:50:03 chart is bad Sep 07 19:50:04 lol Sep 07 19:52:26 http://decidefor.us/?question=will+palm+introduce+new+devices+next+month%3F&answer=553&type=yesno ;( Sep 07 19:53:18 Your question: will palm introduce new devices next month?My answer: Absolutely No Sep 07 19:53:20 damn! Sep 07 19:53:38 bummer ;( Sep 07 19:54:04 ok, this is annoying Sep 07 19:54:17 http://decidefor.us/?question=will+palm+introduce+new+devices+next+month%3F&answer=548&type=yesno Sep 07 19:54:18 yay Sep 07 19:54:39 has no theme and is super crappy html: http://silentbluesystems.com/irc/2010/9/7/%2523webos.htm Sep 07 19:54:53 oh, and has no time yet Sep 07 19:54:59 and... has no html tags Sep 07 19:55:06 and... is only generated on messages Sep 07 19:55:09 etc, etc Sep 07 19:55:13 @adora: The submission gremlins are getting exposed to sunlight as we speak. Many apps already taken care of, should have the rest caught up by tmr Sep 07 19:56:07 00:00 Sep 07 19:56:45 halfhalo: u should use something like this: http://irclog.webinnovations.pl/show/I2FwcGxlLnBs Sep 07 19:56:46 yeah, was lazy and didn't want to finish the function that padded the date correctly so just returned 00:00 Sep 07 19:56:52 fixing it now Sep 07 19:56:52 halfhalo: this have nice log parser Sep 07 19:57:13 and this is the retarted log viewer, not the cool dynamically updating one Sep 07 19:57:28 hence, .htm vs .html Sep 07 19:57:41 lol Sep 07 19:57:57 you could name it .crap for all that matters Sep 07 19:58:23 I could... but then cherokee might be all "WTF mime type is that crap?" Sep 07 19:58:25 would certainly be more descriptive Sep 07 19:58:32 save all your .php's as .aspx Sep 07 19:58:37 more desicriptive/less deceptive Sep 07 19:58:44 and have apache send .aspx's through php :) Sep 07 19:58:45 I redirected .png to php once... Sep 07 19:58:48 was fun Sep 07 19:59:32 It will look better when theres styles in it Sep 07 19:59:36 * halfhalo promises Sep 07 19:59:47 * oil furiously refreshes Sep 07 20:00:08 why doesn't this thing load new lines as they appear in the log? Sep 07 20:00:14 * Anivrom has given up on trying to stop freezes/hiccups in webos/canvas apps Sep 07 20:00:35 because I just deleted the log files, and it only updates on PRIVMSG right now Sep 07 20:00:41 well, its regenerated on them Sep 07 20:00:46 :/ Sep 07 20:00:56 thats pretty lleet. it can stop time Sep 07 20:01:03 leet* Sep 07 20:01:25 lleet pronounced yeet? Sep 07 20:01:35 leet? Sep 07 20:01:42 lol Sep 07 20:03:30 hmmm Sep 07 20:03:58 eh, time is close enough Sep 07 20:03:59 :p Sep 07 20:06:10 mebe... Sep 07 20:06:35 http://theoatmeal.com/blog/utilikilt Sep 07 20:07:33 lol? Sep 07 20:07:56 * halfhalo is going to move to haml templates when he gets home Sep 07 20:08:06 * halfhalo just wanted an easier way to read the logs while in class Sep 07 20:15:35 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=975_1283799588 Sep 07 20:16:55 shit Sep 07 20:16:57 lol Sep 07 20:17:08 looks like out of a scene in inception Sep 07 20:19:37 wow Sep 07 20:19:42 thats really bad Sep 07 20:19:51 heh Sep 07 20:20:02 id hate to be on that one Sep 07 20:20:25 holy crap lol that's crazy Sep 07 20:22:02 so like Sep 07 20:22:22 yup Sep 07 20:22:26 How can I mount the emulator filesystem as a disk Sep 07 20:22:30 SFTP would work Sep 07 20:22:38 but let's assume I can't run Preware Sep 07 20:23:12 eh: http://silentbluesystems.com/irc/2010/9/7/%2523webos.htm Sep 07 20:23:15 good enough for now Sep 07 20:23:44 you're a witch! Sep 07 20:23:56 lol Sep 07 20:24:58 heh Sep 07 20:25:08 Its sooo hackish its not even funny Sep 07 20:25:16 to get it working? Sep 07 20:25:24 no, my irc thingie Sep 07 20:25:29 oh, I just assume you are talking about MY problems Sep 07 20:25:29 no idea about your thing Sep 07 20:25:31 sorries Sep 07 20:25:34 haha Sep 07 20:25:36 lol Sep 07 20:25:37 s'coll Sep 07 20:25:52 coll? Sep 07 20:26:17 funkatron: mount it live or just the image? Sep 07 20:26:24 live Sep 07 20:26:36 I want to edit files with something other than vi Sep 07 20:26:40 * Anivrom boo Sep 07 20:26:52 cool ./me works now Sep 07 20:27:07 halfhalo: ./me's should be italicized Sep 07 20:27:37 yeah... but that involves me editing a file Sep 07 20:27:46 hey creationix, are you the node-router feller? Sep 07 20:28:00 yep Sep 07 20:28:03 boom Sep 07 20:28:10 I was looking at that today Sep 07 20:28:12 * halfhalo tried using that... and failed Sep 07 20:28:17 * halfhalo went to express Sep 07 20:28:39 funkatron: connect (the base to express) is essentially node-router evolved Sep 07 20:28:48 ah yes, I was seeing that Sep 07 20:29:12 eh, /me's are close enough :p Sep 07 20:30:31 evening Sep 07 20:30:43 murnin Sep 07 20:32:28 funkatron: guess SFTP would be the way to go Sep 07 20:32:42 swisstomcat: right. I can ssh into it, but sftp is no go Sep 07 20:33:02 is everything set up for sftp? Sep 07 20:33:13 well, I don't really know what's involved 8D Sep 07 20:33:18 oh Sep 07 20:33:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps? Sep 07 20:34:02 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps ? Sep 07 20:34:15 ah, see, Preware won't run on this. Sep 07 20:34:41 are you trying to browse the emu's files? Sep 07 20:34:57 Tibfib: yes, I want to edit files with, say, textmat Sep 07 20:34:59 e Sep 07 20:35:05 if so, winscp worked with early emu versions Sep 07 20:35:07 funkatron: use internalz? Sep 07 20:35:12 earlier, I think it still works Sep 07 20:35:45 funkatron: look into winscp, the forums should have the right settings listed somewhere Sep 07 20:35:52 okieday Sep 07 20:35:52 bbl Sep 07 20:36:12 hah, I think that's the program name... Sep 07 20:36:16 Question: Can I not create elements in an array in hash syntax? Example: mainAssistant.prototype = { Sep 07 20:36:18 myArray: [array stuff here], Sep 07 20:36:19 } Sep 07 20:36:48 you can Sep 07 20:36:57 Can't find an example anywhere Sep 07 20:37:37 var foo = { Sep 07 20:37:37 "bar":[1,2,3] Sep 07 20:37:37 }; Sep 07 20:38:12 Well this is my issue, I wanna do it outside of a function Sep 07 20:38:34 var foo=[]; Sep 07 20:38:44 foo[bar]=hi Sep 07 20:38:55 arrays don't work like that in js Sep 07 20:39:01 var and = are invalid syntax outside a funtion Sep 07 20:39:11 outside a function? Sep 07 20:39:12 LIES Sep 07 20:39:38 and normally going like foo[bar] _should_ make it into an object Sep 07 20:39:59 foo.bar = 'hi' Sep 07 20:40:03 bbiaf Sep 07 20:40:12 I'll paste code but I guess I'm not explaining myself correctly Sep 07 20:40:27 foo['bar'] is identical to foo.bar in JS Sep 07 20:40:59 well Sep 07 20:41:01 yeah Sep 07 20:42:51 http://pastebin.com/fhTWF0YK Sep 07 20:43:29 fallingObjectsImgs: [1,2,3], Sep 07 20:43:29 fallingObjectsImgs: [1,2,3] Sep 07 20:43:32 :) Sep 07 20:43:39 hmm Sep 07 20:43:41 ok Sep 07 20:43:42 yeah, remember that functions are first-class in JS Sep 07 20:43:43 can't var there Sep 07 20:43:46 and = doesn't work there Sep 07 20:44:00 Anivrom> var and = are invalid syntax outside a funtion Sep 07 20:44:04 I know they dont lol Sep 07 20:44:07 so what works for functions, works for all the other cars Sep 07 20:44:13 vars Sep 07 20:44:14 well, its valid outside a function Sep 07 20:44:21 just, not inside the object there Sep 07 20:44:34 Same thing Sep 07 20:44:40 if you put var blah = 'blah'; above or below your object {} Sep 07 20:44:42 it would work fine Sep 07 20:44:49 mmmm no, those are not the same thing, hence the confusion 8D Sep 07 20:44:52 I meant in object declaration Sep 07 20:45:12 word Sep 07 20:47:16 There's just no examples of setting up arrays with default elements in {} object notation or w/e Sep 07 20:47:24 I'm prolly getting the buzzwords wrong but I know what I mean :P Sep 07 20:47:42 I'm not sure what default elements means, but Sep 07 20:47:43 lol Sep 07 20:47:50 who cares about buzzwords Sep 07 20:47:53 * oilsworkn doesn't know them Sep 07 20:47:57 * oilsworkn does just fine :) Sep 07 20:47:58 default meaning setting it up with initial elements Sep 07 20:48:16 Anivrom: just like jkovacs and i said above Sep 07 20:48:17 thats how Sep 07 20:48:22 yep, like that Sep 07 20:48:23 Yea I'm using it Sep 07 20:49:26 * halfhalo is wondering... Sep 07 20:50:25 * halfhalo is thinking of seperating each output format as its own little submodule and splitting it out of the main program Sep 07 20:51:04 halfhalo: was gonna mention that before but decided to let you figure it out on your own Sep 07 20:51:50 well... it would just make the code a little cleaner Sep 07 20:51:52 thats it Sep 07 20:52:24 it would still need the json file to create the other files Sep 07 20:54:08 but it would make it easier to read codewise Sep 07 20:54:20 and would allow for more output formats if wanted Sep 07 20:54:38 besides the 4 I have planned Sep 07 20:55:14 Planning on JSON, XML, simple html, and complex html Sep 07 20:55:47 plus a websockets connection Sep 07 21:01:31 the pre keyboard keep stop working Sep 07 21:04:45 so, anybody knows how the WOR hackathon touchstone is coming along? Sep 07 21:06:31 maybe roy-pre101 knows more Sep 07 21:07:10 Who speaks to the all-knowing Roy-Pre101? Sep 07 21:07:20 * Roy-Pre101 activates thunder machine. Sep 07 21:07:24 jkovacs Sep 07 21:07:28 :o Sep 07 21:07:47 * swisstomcat bows before the mighty master of webos101 Sep 07 21:08:08 we are all unworthy Sep 07 21:09:19 jkovacs: No clue, I'll find out. Sep 07 21:09:41 flash mobile minimum requirements released. Palm Pre excluded Sep 07 21:09:55 heh Sep 07 21:10:37 damn, drawing icons is so annoying. Sep 07 21:10:44 hi. Sep 07 21:10:54 mmm, i hope the next webOS device has a dual core processor Sep 07 21:11:45 hey...when your app submission go live, do you get an email notificaiton? Sep 07 21:12:14 i don't think so Sep 07 21:12:29 thats weird Sep 07 21:13:03 I hope it has a larger screen Sep 07 21:14:38 deihmos: source? Sep 07 21:14:52 whoolio: nope Sep 07 21:15:10 i hope it still has a physical keyboard Sep 07 21:15:15 thanks! Sep 07 21:15:37 http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile Sep 07 21:25:37 rehi haeffb Sep 07 21:25:48 rehi Sep 07 21:26:00 I have a markedup word doc for you - but left it at work... Sep 07 21:26:00 any comments on my tut? Sep 07 21:26:12 oh shoot Sep 07 21:26:26 go back to work then :) Sep 07 21:31:53 the doors are just awesome .. after all this years Sep 07 21:31:58 those Sep 07 21:32:06 these* Sep 07 21:32:08 lol Sep 07 21:32:16 erh Sep 07 21:45:45 The @Palm App Catalog is taking a little tiger snooze at the moment. The engineers are working on getting him back to Tyson soon. Sep 07 22:00:54 jkovacs: They're still finishing up the image to send to Palm Sep 07 22:04:02 * haeffb thinks it's highly likely that Agenda will stop working in 2.0 Sep 07 22:04:27 oh haha Sep 07 22:04:28 probably Sep 07 22:09:55 call it a very strong hunch Sep 07 22:11:00 * Anivrom just finished some cuccumber avocado rolls that his wife made, and is about to enjoy some miso sooupppppppppppppp Sep 07 22:12:11 Anivrom http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2288943/funny_good_cucumber/ Sep 07 22:13:44 Saw that cumming but still funny Sep 07 22:21:59 meeep Sep 07 22:22:14 whoohooo Sep 07 22:22:19 ? Sep 07 22:22:22 nice Sep 07 22:22:25 all the hours of F5-ing "My Apps" has finally paid off Sep 07 22:22:33 have* Sep 07 22:22:47 at least I like to think so :) Sep 07 22:23:36 I don't think f5-ing it made it go faster ;P Sep 07 22:23:53 lol Sep 07 22:24:08 but... but... Sep 07 22:25:41 lies Sep 07 22:27:59 WELL LOOK WHO IT IS Sep 07 22:28:20 what, me? Sep 07 22:28:29 yes, you Sep 07 22:28:36 couldn't be Sep 07 22:28:58 * halfhalo forgot the next line Sep 07 22:29:03 then who? Sep 07 22:29:25 zsoc stole the cookies from the cookie jar Sep 07 22:30:04 i tend to try to avoid cookie stealing. it is quite the security headache Sep 07 22:30:13 lol Sep 07 22:32:30 night everyone Sep 07 22:32:41 night Sep 07 22:44:50 someone make me a damn irc log theme Sep 07 22:59:00 Hi all! Sep 07 22:59:32 hola Sep 07 22:59:53 hi halfhalo Sep 07 23:01:46 howdy JenP Sep 07 23:02:08 Tibfib: ! HI! Sep 07 23:02:17 JenP: how are you doing? Sep 07 23:02:44 I'm good. Bored waiting for lecture to end. How have you been? Sep 07 23:02:57 you're on irc during class? Sep 07 23:03:00 for shame Sep 07 23:03:08 good, working on my app as a break from homework Sep 07 23:03:09 what can i say..i'm a rebel Sep 07 23:03:12 lol Sep 07 23:03:21 i spent more time paying attention to IRC in all my classes than i did to the prof Sep 07 23:03:36 nice. Lately everytime I open my app to work on I draw a blank. Sep 07 23:04:04 fixing bugs :) Sep 07 23:04:13 (I'm) Sep 07 23:04:57 i need to get a couple of simple graphics and EL should be ready for update :/ Sep 07 23:05:15 debugging sucks. although Rick_work showed me some cool things in Ares Sep 07 23:05:23 so... anyone wanting to partner up with me to make a quick pdk app? Sep 07 23:05:44 what app? Sep 07 23:05:56 Just a simple app that registers a mojo messenger user as pro Sep 07 23:06:11 sdk app is too easy to crack, plus isn't in hot apps atm :) Sep 07 23:06:53 I need help because I don't have time to learn how to write C++ before the sept deadline Sep 07 23:07:12 smiles...well i'll be your cheer leader and if you graphics can get on that...but i have no idea on the pdk Sep 07 23:07:24 god I haven't looked at C++ since college Sep 07 23:07:45 JenP: you think you could help me with something graphics related? Sep 07 23:08:09 depends on what you need Sep 07 23:08:13 JenP: hah, thanks Sep 07 23:08:26 i need something like the outline of a bicycle horn Sep 07 23:08:32 i just fired up gimp and was going to take a crack at it Sep 07 23:08:51 then you realized how bad you are at graphics? that's the story of my life Sep 07 23:08:56 heh Sep 07 23:08:59 lol Sep 07 23:09:02 i'm still trying to figure out where to start Sep 07 23:09:32 maik email me what you need be specific...i'll send it on to Josh and if he has time he'll do something up Sep 07 23:09:48 i'll take you up on that if i can't figure this out then :) Sep 07 23:09:58 sounds like a plan Sep 07 23:10:09 you poor souls Sep 07 23:10:24 Anivrom: ? Sep 07 23:11:04 I have pity on the graphically challenged Sep 07 23:11:26 lol Sep 07 23:14:10 im baaaaack Sep 07 23:14:25 hi dawm|laptop Sep 07 23:14:27 still dont have my desktop setup, but i finally got my wifi router ;D Sep 07 23:14:33 moving sucks :P Sep 07 23:14:43 Indeed Sep 07 23:14:46 ohh totally agree...i just finished mine Sep 07 23:15:26 but i love having my own house all to myself Sep 07 23:15:45 hey guys what's the best way to store objects in a webOS app. The use case I have in mind is that the actions of the user create a whole bunch of objects that at some later point need to be presented back to the user Sep 07 23:16:11 O_O Sep 07 23:16:19 dkarapet: arent you using javascript? Sep 07 23:16:25 use a binary tree Sep 07 23:16:30 or an array Sep 07 23:16:33 hey JenP Sep 07 23:16:41 haeffb: !!!!! Sep 07 23:16:43 no the objects need to be saved between restarts Sep 07 23:16:48 hiya! Sep 07 23:16:48 oh lol Sep 07 23:17:07 you could use the sqllite cookie thing Sep 07 23:17:08 by later point i mean some later date weeks away Sep 07 23:17:10 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1734 Sep 07 23:17:13 dkarapet: i think you're looking at either a cookie or dB Sep 07 23:17:23 i looked at Mojo.Depot Sep 07 23:17:33 but retrieving objects requires a key Sep 07 23:17:47 which i might not know Sep 07 23:17:53 O_O Sep 07 23:18:00 i basically want to use the depot as a persistent array Sep 07 23:18:04 dkarapet: I think yo'ure overcomplicated the process Sep 07 23:18:14 there is nothing overcomplicated Sep 07 23:18:18 http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie#A_Cookie_Bakery_Example Sep 07 23:18:24 depot can be used to store/retrieve at any time in the future Sep 07 23:18:25 i want to do what the calendar app does Sep 07 23:18:33 er no thats not it Sep 07 23:18:41 cupcakes Sep 07 23:18:54 i think db is the best way to go dkarapet Sep 07 23:18:54 http://webos101.com/SQLite_Cookie_Replacement Sep 07 23:19:10 allows you to store and retrieve objects Sep 07 23:20:04 oh nice write up on sql Sep 07 23:20:28 as easy as cookies, but better Sep 07 23:20:47 courtesy of haeffb Sep 07 23:21:06 the sqlite thing is really nice that's exactly what i need Sep 07 23:21:13 haeffb: is the best Sep 07 23:21:15 how come the official docs don't mention it Sep 07 23:21:23 dkarapet: but honestly depot would do fine. Sep 07 23:21:28 shits n giggles Sep 07 23:21:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1734 Sep 07 23:21:32 the official docs do mention it Sep 07 23:21:32 they do mention it Sep 07 23:21:41 i need to retrieve all the objects in the depot without the keys Sep 07 23:21:48 and the api has no such function Sep 07 23:21:55 oh I see Sep 07 23:22:06 well you could just name them generic numbers Sep 07 23:22:10 you store the objects in the depot - you create the key Sep 07 23:22:15 depot is just a dumb sqlite db Sep 07 23:22:21 nice Sep 07 23:22:27 thanks for the sqlite pointer guys Sep 07 23:22:34 off to code some more Sep 07 23:22:41 lol Sep 07 23:22:54 sucks, i havent had any time to play with 2.0 Sep 07 23:23:03 dkarapet: just a note dont forget to cupcakes.init() or your db wont work Sep 07 23:23:24 its in the docs but you might miss it Sep 07 23:24:14 dkarapet: depot will work perfectly for what you need Sep 07 23:25:30 haeffb: what he's saying is he might not know for some bizarre reason what the keys are he uses to store the information, weeks down the line, but having said that he's going to run into the exact same problem with sql Sep 07 23:25:35 but shhh we wont tell him that Sep 07 23:25:48 no the sql won't cause the same problem Sep 07 23:25:57 i need to filter objects by date Sep 07 23:26:03 and sql syntax is perfect for that Sep 07 23:26:20 well, you didn't mention the need to filter by date previously Sep 07 23:26:47 whereas with depot it's not feasible Sep 07 23:27:02 true Sep 07 23:27:46 given the new requirements Sep 07 23:34:30 yeah!! almost time to go. Talk to you all later Sep 07 23:34:34 byes Sep 07 23:40:14 whoa Sep 07 23:40:22 i never noticed the wifi sleep option (1.4.5) Sep 07 23:43:32 hey, me either Sep 07 23:45:42 ugh is there no way to update manually ota? Sep 07 23:47:19 http://cl.ly/2ca1d8a0f9c914e535b7 does that look convincing to anyone else? Sep 07 23:47:51 what is it? Sep 07 23:48:01 a horn? Sep 07 23:48:40 yep Sep 07 23:49:16 horn, or flipping it 90 degrees, a light post Sep 07 23:49:25 and a pawn Sep 07 23:49:29 but i was going for horn Sep 07 23:51:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs4GXH5Q3Rk&feature=channel Sep 07 23:51:04 I want one Sep 07 23:51:06 so bad Sep 07 23:52:04 maik: I'm convinced Sep 07 23:52:13 excellent, thanks Sep 07 23:52:43 what happened to your chess piece? It fell down Sep 07 23:52:56 :P Sep 07 23:53:30 heh Sep 07 23:54:53 night all Sep 08 00:17:06 is it possible to deploy apps to a local phone Sep 08 00:17:12 I'm only able to install to the emulator Sep 08 00:17:35 yeah Sep 08 00:17:56 turn dev mode on the phone, then palm-install will default to it when its plugged in Sep 08 00:18:09 how do I turn on dev mode? Sep 08 00:18:20 google search Sep 08 00:18:38 type upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Sep 08 00:19:25 lol Sep 08 00:19:35 no seriously Sep 08 00:19:59 http://www.precentral.net/how-to-install-homebrew-apps step 3 Sep 08 00:21:43 yay konami code Sep 08 00:21:49 heh Sep 08 00:22:18 I remember seeing that somewhere, I just didn't know where to type it, thanks Sep 08 00:22:31 IRC SHALL DIE Sep 08 00:22:39 also is is possible/safe to flash a phone with the new 2.0 beta or not yet? Sep 08 00:23:01 let me know when you find the doctor for it lol Sep 08 00:23:08 that would be... nda Sep 08 00:23:47 or webos20090606 :) Sep 08 00:23:57 pixi must die Sep 08 00:24:30 bloody ARES!!!!11 and your script errors Sep 08 00:24:42 froze my phone 3 times in the past 15 minutes Sep 08 00:24:52 So basically all ive been doing is restarting lol Sep 08 00:25:32 and device freeze not just luna freeze Sep 08 00:25:39 so like 5 minutes later Sep 08 00:27:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgBfdXWxTDM&feature=related the best of both worlds LOL Sep 08 00:28:20 halfhalo: nda as in only know by palm employees? Sep 08 00:28:21 halfhalo: itym NaDA Sep 08 00:28:48 or n/a Sep 08 00:28:56 (in addition to "nda") Sep 08 00:29:20 Anivrom: Ares froze your phone? Really? Sep 08 00:29:25 Or your app? ;-) Sep 08 00:29:38 (which sounds like quite a trick) Sep 08 00:30:03 I'm just wanting to play with the node services and have an emulator with 2.0 and a palm pre with the old version Sep 08 00:30:35 froze my phone with a script error in the appbuild.js Sep 08 00:32:16 creationix: I am in the exact same boat you are in Sep 08 00:32:39 no problem, just wondering Sep 08 00:32:49 Anivrom: appbuild.js didn't hang your device, but that's where your browser would be if the device got hung... Sep 08 00:33:00 who do I get to bother about node.js here? Sep 08 00:33:10 right. thats why I said ares froze my phone :) Sep 08 00:33:11 * halfhalo raises his hand Sep 08 00:33:14 yay Sep 08 00:33:29 hey, i wrote some node stuff recently! Sep 08 00:33:37 dundundun.... Sep 08 00:33:49 so for a learning exercise, I want to make a node script that will take an image URL, retrieve the image, and spit it back to the user Sep 08 00:33:58 eventually I'll also save the image Sep 08 00:34:03 so basically a caching proxy Sep 08 00:34:10 a real simple one Sep 08 00:34:42 I have the data moving through, but what I'm getting in the end isn't an image file I can open. I suspect my encoding stuff or whatever may be at fault Sep 08 00:34:48 so lemme show the code Sep 08 00:35:24 funkatron: don't set the encoding if you want to use buffers Sep 08 00:35:37 creationix: do I want to use buffers? Sep 08 00:35:45 this is literally the first node code I've written Sep 08 00:35:55 funkatron: if it's binary data, yes Sep 08 00:36:00 strings are always encoded Sep 08 00:36:01 okay Sep 08 00:36:09 there is a "binary" encoding, but it's pretty terrible Sep 08 00:36:10 * halfhalo doesn't like buffers since he hit the pre 0.2.0 weird character buffer bug Sep 08 00:36:12 right Sep 08 00:36:13 okay Sep 08 00:36:18 ah, creationix - a node master Sep 08 00:36:41 this is my current script, btw http://www.friendpaste.com/3pL0FkWmo24V2sXkOW8Ecs Sep 08 00:37:26 yeah, don't set the encoding Sep 08 00:37:34 okay Sep 08 00:37:36 but then you can't concat Sep 08 00:37:41 buffers don't support that Sep 08 00:37:55 looks like you're just forwarding the data on so it doesn't matter Sep 08 00:37:58 so I don't need to concat necessarily Sep 08 00:37:58 yeah Sep 08 00:38:08 I can get the data out of the buffer as a string, yes? Sep 08 00:38:09 but you're reading as utf8 and then sending as binary Sep 08 00:38:11 right Sep 08 00:38:14 lemme just fi Sep 08 00:38:17 ditch that shit Sep 08 00:38:21 yeah, buffer.toString('utf8') Sep 08 00:38:47 * halfhalo bows to creationix's node prowess Sep 08 00:39:24 yeah, he's howtonode Sep 08 00:39:31 LET'S NOT ALL SUCK HIS DICK AT ONCE Sep 08 00:39:32 dot org Sep 08 00:39:36 *cough* Sep 08 00:39:40 want us to form a line? Sep 08 00:39:50 that would be more efficient I think Sep 08 00:40:32 please form a queue Sep 08 00:40:38 nah, we need some callbacks Sep 08 00:40:48 fuck Sep 08 00:40:50 callbacks Sep 08 00:40:51 and get libeio involved Sep 08 00:40:52 that is all Sep 08 00:41:30 forget that, just get me a hp tablet with webos 2.0 and dual-core processors Sep 08 00:42:15 lol, dual core Sep 08 00:42:26 protip: it helps to not include the http resp headers to the file you save Sep 08 00:42:41 january - cortex a9's .. they'll be rolling out in droves Sep 08 00:43:19 lemketron: inspector for multi-stage apps. Myth or reality? Sep 08 00:43:58 funkatron: so you got it working now? Sep 08 00:44:01 yep! Sep 08 00:44:05 sweet Sep 08 00:44:06 lemme update that paste Sep 08 00:44:19 major thanks. it's hard to find best practices like that Sep 08 00:44:47 here's the new one http://www.friendpaste.com/3pL0FkWmo24V2sXkOW8Ecs Sep 08 00:44:59 maybe I should do a post about encodings Sep 08 00:45:10 So... job posting on Palm say they are looking for a "Video Conferencing Engineer". Can haz webOS Facetime now plz? kthxbai Sep 08 00:45:57 pretty glad i don't see the people i talk to on the phone Sep 08 00:46:06 haha Sep 08 00:46:10 facetime is kinda cool Sep 08 00:46:17 but I can't say I use it much Sep 08 00:46:39 with my friends, i am sure it would just turn into chatroulette Sep 08 00:46:52 that's why it exists Sep 08 00:47:04 your friends like to show people their penises? Sep 08 00:47:16 or other peoples wangs, sure Sep 08 00:47:36 they are like an octopus at the boner buffer Sep 08 00:47:40 buffet rather Sep 08 00:47:56 funkatron: btw, here is a pretty full features reverse proxy for node from some node guys in nyc http://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy Sep 08 00:48:02 *featured Sep 08 00:48:05 nice Sep 08 00:48:35 I wanted to learn the basics for the purposes of embedding in upcoming mobile OSes. if this will run on it, tho, might be a better choice Sep 08 00:49:33 haeffb: not reality, but definitely on the wish list. Sep 08 00:49:43 (keep your fingers crossed) Sep 08 00:49:48 the docs say "reality" Sep 08 00:49:55 they do? Sep 08 00:49:56 practice says "myth" Sep 08 00:50:05 with the new "host mode" ? Sep 08 00:50:11 or palm-inspector? Sep 08 00:50:24 host mode would not work with Spaz, make funkatron sad Sep 08 00:50:33 palm-inspector Sep 08 00:50:35 sorry Sep 08 00:50:45 * haeffb still using 2009 technology Sep 08 00:51:05 oh. hmmm. With the 1.4.5 sdk, it might work with palm-inspector if you specify the correct ID to palm-launch Sep 08 00:51:24 with newer sdk, if such a thing existed, it's entirely possible that palm-inspector might not be working. Sep 08 00:51:49 trying to use 1.4.5 inspector last night, Sep 08 00:51:57 couldn't get it to work Sep 08 00:52:01 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1611&Itemid=61 Sep 08 00:52:09 following the instruction at the bottom Sep 08 00:52:14 using putty Sep 08 00:55:15 haeffb: Interesting. I'll see what I can find out, thanks for letting us know. Sep 08 00:55:57 thanks Sep 08 01:01:33 Morning all. Sep 08 01:02:28 Anivrom: you round? Sep 08 01:03:25 depends on the favour Sep 08 01:03:46 if its sexual in nature, I'm always around Sep 08 01:04:05 odd..... Sep 08 01:05:26 Also, he didn't ask if you were around... he asked if you were "round" lol. Sep 08 01:05:30 Even more odd.. Sep 08 01:05:42 in certain places >_> Sep 08 01:06:17 odd x2 Sep 08 01:06:34 I wanna make an earthworm jim type game Sep 08 01:06:37 that would own Sep 08 01:07:06 lol. Earthworm Jim already owns. Sometimes. Sep 08 01:07:17 crap, I reset my palm pre in an attempt to test something and now it's not activated anymore Sep 08 01:07:25 well my Sandworm Bob game would rape Sep 08 01:07:26 and it says it can't find the sprint network to re-activate Sep 08 01:07:45 wait Tapeworm Bob Sep 08 01:07:47 epic Sep 08 01:07:53 lol! Sep 08 01:08:02 You gotta navigate the stomaches of your 'victims' Sep 08 01:08:15 Ate up... Sep 08 01:09:01 You know if there's a "worms" type game for WebOS? Sep 08 01:09:36 angry birds is close Sep 08 01:09:45 I was thinking just 2 days ago about making a worms type game Sep 08 01:09:52 emulator + rom for worms Sep 08 01:09:55 Yea, bout that, I'm VZW Sep 08 01:10:29 You should make a worms for WebOS.... Sep 08 01:10:31 ? Sep 08 01:10:47 even if he did, you would need 145, haha Sep 08 01:11:04 Hopefully by the time he's done, I will. Sep 08 01:11:14 So he should have at least a year or two... Sep 08 01:11:19 heh Sep 08 01:11:47 sex Sep 08 01:11:53 sex game? Sep 08 01:11:54 wow my wife wrote that Sep 08 01:11:58 oh, lol Sep 08 01:11:58 lol Sep 08 01:12:10 just jumped my "keyboard" Sep 08 01:12:30 I think you're crossing a barrier with that one. Sep 08 01:12:35 lol Sep 08 01:12:41 which barrier would that be? Sep 08 01:13:13 Bah, I'm just leaving it at that. Smoke break time. Sep 08 01:13:20 smoking kills Sep 08 01:13:25 jus sayin Sep 08 01:13:34 I know all this. Sep 08 01:13:43 JUS SAYIN Sep 08 01:13:49 Gotta die some time tho... lol Sep 08 01:13:55 true enough Sep 08 01:17:04 if you're going to die, might as well look really cool doing it? Sep 08 01:17:18 does anyone have a prebuilt metadoctor binary for osx Sep 08 01:17:26 I really don't want to install macports Sep 08 01:17:41 nope Sep 08 01:18:39 oil: cool like Keanu in The Matrix or cool like Keanu in Speed tho? Sep 08 01:19:01 the matrix was way better then speed Sep 08 01:19:19 Yea, the first one. Sep 08 01:19:32 Speed was better than the other Matrix's... Sep 08 01:19:34 I think Sep 08 01:37:02 rwhitby how are you? Sep 08 01:40:06 iWinRar: excellent. still smiling at getting Dieter on the palmcast :) Sep 08 01:40:32 dieter is good times Sep 08 01:41:19 hi all! Sep 08 01:41:28 hi JenP Sep 08 01:41:28 Is the palmcast streaming live right now? JenP: Hi! Sep 08 01:41:39 hi guys Sep 08 01:41:49 no Gu1l7y_work just finished Sep 08 01:41:52 a bit ago Sep 08 01:42:03 aah, any 1.4.5 vzw att info? Sep 08 01:42:09 Im anxious... Sep 08 01:42:12 nope lol Sep 08 01:42:17 bleh Sep 08 01:42:20 figures. Sep 08 01:42:22 i figure u will get 2.0 before 1.4.5 Sep 08 01:42:24 anxious for what? Sep 08 01:42:30 thats how im feeling Sep 08 01:42:35 but i got a sprint so either or Sep 08 01:42:36 i am happy Sep 08 01:42:40 <3 angry birds lol Sep 08 01:42:54 yea yea. I am so missing out... Sep 08 01:43:25 ive about beat it a few more levels left Sep 08 01:43:30 and then 3 staring everything Sep 08 01:43:51 I got 3 stars on poached Sep 08 01:47:07 261/450 LOL is what i got so far Sep 08 01:47:23 did palm give an eya for 2.0 Sep 08 01:47:33 eya? Sep 08 01:47:39 eta? Sep 08 01:47:41 eta Sep 08 01:47:41 no Sep 08 01:47:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0rMC2J1DhQ steve porter is great Sep 08 01:47:49 2010 is all we have Sep 08 01:48:24 i dont see 2.0 without a new device Sep 08 01:48:47 i can but it is doubtful Sep 08 01:49:07 omg i can't wait for a new device to come out...mines on it's last legs Sep 08 01:49:14 lol Sep 08 01:49:30 i got until feb Sep 08 01:49:36 so im okay with it Sep 08 01:49:48 haeffb!! Sep 08 01:50:01 in feb i can get a new device Sep 08 01:50:04 whatup Sep 08 01:50:09 bummer.. a cop just showed up to tell my one of my neighbors got robbed Sep 08 01:50:16 * codeslaw_ is watching LOTR and marathon coding Sep 08 01:50:17 JenP!! Sep 08 01:50:24 ill likely keep my pre as i doubt ill get crap for 2 year old hardware :P Sep 08 01:50:49 in Sep I can get two new devices. Except there aren't any. Sep 08 01:51:01 haeffb so what are you working on now? Sep 08 01:51:08 hold out brother Sep 08 01:51:09 finishing Done Sep 08 01:51:18 very cool Sep 08 01:51:21 webos 4 lyfe Sep 08 01:51:26 watcha workin on haeffb? Sep 08 01:51:38 waiting for simplenote to update their API so I can finish Noted Sep 08 01:51:51 wondering whether I should try to update Agenda for 2.0 Sep 08 01:51:53 i noted the fact you are waiting Sep 08 01:51:56 ha im clever Sep 08 01:52:05 * creationix is re-flashing his palm pre... Sep 08 01:52:13 lol Sep 08 01:52:16 stupid reset un-activating the phone Sep 08 01:52:21 i need to redo mine, i think its about time Sep 08 01:52:32 * Anivrom is device restarting his palm pre for the nth time Sep 08 01:52:45 I hope 2.0 will reboot faster Sep 08 01:52:51 it seems ok in the emulator Sep 08 01:52:54 i find mine restarting when i set it down to hard Sep 08 01:53:21 * haeffb is playing with paint.net Sep 08 01:53:39 i have paint.net on my netbook Sep 08 01:53:44 need it on my laptop yet Sep 08 01:53:58 * Anivrom goes straight to photoshop Sep 08 01:54:02 iWinRar: The battery is likely a little loose, making it lose connection for a split second. Shove some paper in there to force it against the connectors. Sep 08 01:56:41 i plan on tryin it, thing is it just started wasnt like that until recently Sep 08 01:56:45 kinda saddens me Sep 08 01:57:21 mine did that too...i added a little foam square against the battery and all was better Sep 08 01:57:54 so i am about to start schooling for programin' and i was thinking webos would be my starting platform Sep 08 01:58:34 i need to pick my classes soon enough. to be honest i was thinking of starting online courses just due to not being able to move from home any time soon (helping family) Sep 08 01:58:52 what about community classes? Sep 08 01:59:23 well all i got around here is a tech school which doesnt offer much in the programing department Sep 08 01:59:34 i might opt for gen ed first Sep 08 01:59:41 but i was hoping to keep that for last :P Sep 08 02:00:08 lol it's always a good idea to get gened out of the way quickly Sep 08 02:00:18 but i hate gen ed :p Sep 08 02:00:38 which is why you get it out of the way quickly Sep 08 02:00:47 yea i suppose Sep 08 02:01:07 but id like to do more then just gen ed right away aswell which is kinda why tech school here sucks Sep 08 02:01:35 i hear a lot of mixed feeling about online Sep 08 02:01:38 lol where are you at? Sep 08 02:01:48 you have to be very disciplined to do online Sep 08 02:02:05 north east wisconsin Sep 08 02:02:39 check the community colleges near by, usually they have online courses. And at least you'd have a professor to guide you Sep 08 02:02:40 at this point i dont have much to do, my "job" is pretty easy so i have almost unlimited free time to do what i need to do Sep 08 02:03:23 well i live in a small area and beyond highschool there is one place and it doesnt offer much sadly Sep 08 02:04:02 like right now i dont have a super reliable form of transportation Sep 08 02:04:22 again...online community college Sep 08 02:04:45 oh online cummunity college Sep 08 02:05:07 not a bad idea Sep 08 02:05:31 thanks :D Sep 08 02:05:41 np Sep 08 02:05:59 my main goal is likely game programing but i figure normal programing is my best bet Sep 08 02:06:16 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF why isnt my listener being setup Sep 08 02:06:23 as it seems to be acceptable by more fields Sep 08 02:10:26 activate: function() { Sep 08 02:10:28 this.canvasTapHandlerBind = this.canvasTapHandler.bind(this); Sep 08 02:10:29 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("catchaseCanvas480"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.canvasTapHandlerBind); Sep 08 02:10:31 }, Sep 08 02:10:53 oversight anyone? Sep 08 02:11:13 Anivrom maybe pastebin it so it's easier to read Sep 08 02:11:24 yeeee Sep 08 02:11:24 oh, chatzilla formats it nice for me Sep 08 02:11:51 http://pastebin.com/Gg6ugdyM Sep 08 02:11:54 crap, node.js has a crap HTTP client too Sep 08 02:11:55 it looks silly in most clients Sep 08 02:12:43 It tosses all set-cookie headers after the first it sees instead of compressing them :/ Sep 08 02:13:05 any ideas? Sep 08 02:13:26 I put a breakpoint in my tap function and it never triggers Sep 08 02:13:39 it dont make no sense Sep 08 02:14:03 I guess it's time to dig in to the TCP API... :/ Sep 08 02:14:56 hmm maybe try mojo.event.propertyChange Sep 08 02:15:12 O_o Sep 08 02:15:37 lol Sep 08 02:17:23 Anivrom: don't see anything unusual Sep 08 02:17:31 although I wouldn't bind in activate() Sep 08 02:18:12 http://pastebin.com/cCNZ8Uzz Sep 08 02:18:29 oh it wasn't in setup? Sep 08 02:18:39 I do my listeners in activate Sep 08 02:18:57 listeners is fine Sep 08 02:19:02 that probably helps now that I think about it. Sep 08 02:19:12 If you have tons of listeners Sep 08 02:19:47 Well its a sugardavian tip, listers in activate stopListeners in deactivate Sep 08 02:19:54 if you bind the handler function repeatedly, it won't be the same function that gets passed to stopListening... ? Sep 08 02:20:10 * haeffb is not talking about the listener Sep 08 02:20:16 yeah, that would mess itup Sep 08 02:20:17 but repeated binds aside, it wont even register one tap Sep 08 02:20:25 this.canvasTapHandlerBind = this.canvasTapHandler.bind(this); Sep 08 02:20:33 haeffb were you the one with the code on making it so we can test a timer even in under 5 mins? Sep 08 02:20:39 yes Sep 08 02:20:57 can i get it from you again? please Sep 08 02:20:57 I think it's on http://www.webos101.com now somewhere Sep 08 02:21:22 * halfhalo is redoing his logging thingie Sep 08 02:21:31 http://www.webos101.com/Alarms Sep 08 02:21:34 found it thanks Sep 08 02:21:40 ha! i beat you Sep 08 02:22:23 meh still not entering my tap functino Sep 08 02:22:30 function either Sep 08 02:22:48 and I know the listener line is executing Sep 08 02:24:11 hmm Sep 08 02:24:22 might be a zindex issue Sep 08 02:32:00 * Anivrom is stumped Sep 08 02:33:52 * Tibfib thought it said "Anivrom is stupid". Sep 08 02:34:07 hahhahaha Sep 08 02:34:10 equally viable Sep 08 02:34:29 heh Sep 08 02:35:21 I have a new found respect for web app developers. Sep 08 02:35:29 How so? Sep 08 02:36:06 Yea, how so? Sep 08 02:36:21 it's a sekret. Sep 08 02:36:31 lets go back to making fun of Anivrom Sep 08 02:36:37 * zsoc hides Sep 08 02:36:43 cause we're the only programmers in the world that continue to develop on a platform that has argueably the worst documentation in the history of os's Sep 08 02:36:52 * halfhalo prefers making fun of oil Sep 08 02:37:37 Anivrom: agreed Sep 08 02:37:57 documentation is overrated. it just holds people back from discovered what can actually be accomplished Sep 08 02:38:32 no, it saves us from having to "discover" what can be accomplished Sep 08 02:39:00 what Anivrom Sep 08 02:39:09 would u like a company to release a product and say hey Sep 08 02:39:12 find what u can do Sep 08 02:39:17 where not giving u nothing Sep 08 02:39:28 good luck Sep 08 02:39:32 If you look at MSDN and come back to webOS and then talk about it. Sep 08 02:39:32 and then they walk away Sep 08 02:39:44 ugh...i think my brain stopped working. Summer sucked all the intelligence out of me Sep 08 02:39:48 You will realise the lack Sep 08 02:40:00 * Tibfib sucks at reading documentation anyway Sep 08 02:40:02 isnt that what summer is for? deactivating the brain? Sep 08 02:40:05 samples are where it's at Sep 08 02:40:10 now kick starting it is the hard part lol Sep 08 02:40:17 agreed Sep 08 02:40:22 msdn is the best documentation I have ever seen. Sep 08 02:40:30 syntax plus usage for basically everything Sep 08 02:40:34 and its updated monthly Sep 08 02:40:36 that is why every time i start school i hope the first week or 2 is relearning Sep 08 02:40:37 it's pretty bad when my own documentation looks foreign Sep 08 02:40:42 they even ship out cd's with the stuff Sep 08 02:40:42 to give me brain a kick start Sep 08 02:40:57 err my Sep 08 02:41:02 lol Sep 08 02:41:05 plus the alcohol doesnt help Sep 08 02:41:10 damn summer :D Sep 08 02:41:14 Anivrom: Eh, I'm an open source developer, a lack of documentation is normal :) Sep 08 02:41:20 That's why I have source code Sep 08 02:41:44 I actually think Palm has treated their developers incredibly well Sep 08 02:41:48 * Kesareya thinks he'll be coming around here more often. Sep 08 02:41:59 well in compersion to apple Sep 08 02:42:08 they have been treated like gods Sep 08 02:42:13 Treating them well and having bad documentation are 2 separate discussions lol Sep 08 02:42:27 totally different departments... Sep 08 02:42:56 im just glad palm has been allowing homebrew Sep 08 02:43:16 iWinRar: technically there is nothing they could do to stop it even if they wanted to Sep 08 02:43:18 lol Sep 08 02:43:27 its just good they are embracing it Sep 08 02:43:40 I don't understand why some companies try to avoid homebrew. It draws more attention to their product. Sep 08 02:43:42 except for the kernel bit. still a little stiff on that one Sep 08 02:43:45 well this is true, but there are companies who try so hard to stop it Sep 08 02:44:15 Anivrom: They could certainly stop it, it would just take a lot of work Sep 08 02:44:15 well palm says.. ok overclock ur product we dont support it Sep 08 02:44:21 Anivrom: What kernel issue? Sep 08 02:44:24 not a horriable welcome Sep 08 02:44:47 Amaranth: the issue of discouraging ppl from using 3rd party kernels Sep 08 02:44:52 Kesareya: The problem is homebrew typically leads to piracy and abusing carrier services Sep 08 02:45:00 and the whole void of warranty thing if they do Sep 08 02:45:02 Well, there's that. Sep 08 02:45:10 all they have said is we dont support it and it voids warranty Sep 08 02:45:16 Anivrom: I thought the only problem was overclocking, not just running a custom kernel Sep 08 02:45:20 its the same with normal cpu companies, intel, amd Sep 08 02:45:34 Amaranth: Don't know the specifics Sep 08 02:45:57 overclocking decresses the life span by a pretty large ammount Sep 08 02:46:01 FFS my phone just froze up again. What is it with this code that it doesnt like! Sep 08 02:46:24 Anivrom: the coder Sep 08 02:46:48 iWinRar: On average even the 800Mhz overclock cuts like 60% off the life, doesn't it? Sep 08 02:46:52 that is the issue with them not liking and not promiting overclocking Sep 08 02:46:55 besdies that! Sep 08 02:47:03 Amaranth something along those lines Sep 08 02:47:12 rwhitby would be the person to ask for exactl numbers Sep 08 02:47:17 Amaranth: are you really gonna expect your pre to last past 60% of full life expectancy lol Sep 08 02:47:24 but ocing does increas the ammount by enough Sep 08 02:47:29 most ppl get theirs replaced after maybe 20-30% Sep 08 02:47:37 What is the full life expectancy? Sep 08 02:47:42 and being as me and many others are at least 1ghz or higher Sep 08 02:47:46 full term of your contract Sep 08 02:47:57 Kesareya 10+ years Sep 08 02:48:02 Ah. Sep 08 02:48:02 Bmyers!!! Sep 08 02:48:09 however, just because that is what is expected of it doesnt make it so Sep 08 02:48:21 JenP!!!! Sep 08 02:48:24 so increasing it throws in so many new factors Sep 08 02:48:41 a cpu is designed for a certian temp Sep 08 02:49:10 sure that same cpu could be used for even higher temps and often they do so... however the warantee only allows it at the specified temp Sep 08 02:49:15 well the pre's cpu gets hot enough without oc'ing and oc'ing doesn't increase it significantly so yea Sep 08 02:49:20 the pre is so slow. Sep 08 02:49:22 hence why they dont truely support it Sep 08 02:49:29 the pre to be honest isnt slow Sep 08 02:49:39 pre is fast, the ui architecture is slow Sep 08 02:49:42 its just all that is going on at the same time Sep 08 02:50:00 10 years ago we had close to the same speed cpus Sep 08 02:50:03 and we were happy Sep 08 02:50:17 2010, we are compairing it to dual cores and quads Sep 08 02:50:22 yea its going to be slow Sep 08 02:50:23 even with the 1ghz OC it is still slow Sep 08 02:50:29 dual core coming soon! lol Sep 08 02:50:34 i hope hp uses one tho Sep 08 02:50:56 funny on the 2 cores it will use less power then the single core for many reasons Sep 08 02:51:20 Deihmos: 1ghz makes my pre scream Sep 08 02:51:30 hugest one being as soon as something loads the cpu can be near idle Sep 08 02:51:35 you must be running 20 infinate loops at a time Sep 08 02:51:36 Anivrom in comparison it is Sep 08 02:51:54 in all reality it still isnt THAT fast Sep 08 02:52:00 Man, a dual core A9 with a 3.5" or 4" screen would make a nice webos device Sep 08 02:52:02 however for most people it is fast enough Sep 08 02:52:06 it runs faster but still slow in comparison to something like Android or even the iphone Sep 08 02:52:34 3.5 is what im prefering then give me a pad :D Sep 08 02:52:37 iPhone runs fast because it is hardware accelerated in every aspect Sep 08 02:52:53 Anivrom: iPhone runs fast because iOS cheats :) Sep 08 02:53:09 well that is compairing the os, webos is just capable of so much just the full poltention isnt there yet Sep 08 02:53:14 Amaranth: ellaborate Sep 08 02:53:16 It does things like suspend all processing when you touch the screen Sep 08 02:53:50 Well, this channel sure is active. Sep 08 02:53:56 "cheat" .. "make good choices" .. Sep 08 02:54:00 multi tasking kills webos, and to be honest the "starting" services from what ive seen are far more heaavy then they need to be Sep 08 02:54:18 webOS does something similar though, it halts GC Sep 08 02:54:18 but i dont know all the indepth things Sep 08 02:54:23 yet multitasking makes webos the best os Sep 08 02:54:25 user interactivity should be priority task #1, 2, 3 and 4 Sep 08 02:54:41 gpu used for more things would make it a better phone :D Sep 08 02:54:59 bpadalino: and that's why they use pulseaudio for audio :) Sep 08 02:55:32 is that a good or bad thing? my audio has gotten strange playback at times .. i didn't think it was that spectacular :( Sep 08 02:55:46 pulseaudio is great for mobile devices Sep 08 02:56:05 i don't knot anything about audio on linux in all honesty Sep 08 02:56:37 It can scale the latency down for fast response and then scale it down for longer battery life Sep 08 02:56:51 err, scale it up for longer battery life Sep 08 02:58:12 So when you're listening to music it'll have a buffer of like 1 or 2 seconds so it only wakes up that often, CPU gets to sleep longer Sep 08 02:58:42 these deys since 1.4.5 i run 250/1000 Sep 08 02:58:42 interesting .. most of that stuff should be handled by DMA's i'd imagine .. Sep 08 02:58:46 so the CPU can sleep forever Sep 08 02:58:59 screen state, something about this new update kills my battery... fast Sep 08 02:59:26 maybe i need to dr... but i shouldnt have to lol Sep 08 02:59:58 i haven't doctored since launch weekend .. you're fine **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 08 02:59:59 2010