**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 11 02:59:57 2010
Sep 11 03:00:11 <lemketron> the breakpoint is a red circle
Sep 11 03:00:19 * sugardave refrains.
Sep 11 03:00:29 <haeffb> lemketron: did you find out anything on inspector for multi-stage?
Sep 11 03:01:01 <sugardave> or on 64-bit linux?
Sep 11 03:01:04 <haeffb> Anivrom: var collisionFound = false;
Sep 11 03:01:04 <sugardave> :D
Sep 11 03:01:11 <lemketron> haeffb: try again with some hypothetical beta two at some point...
Sep 11 03:01:14 <Anivrom> before the loop I know :P
Sep 11 03:01:24 <haeffb> okey dokey
Sep 11 03:01:41 <haeffb> break breaks the loop, not the if
Sep 11 03:01:48 <lemketron> (but there may be a readme somewhere that says you have to tweak your app code a bit to make that work)
Sep 11 03:01:54 <Anivrom> haeffb: good stuff
Sep 11 03:02:00 <Anivrom> "cycles saved"
Sep 11 03:02:29 <sugardave> so...I have a breakpoint just after the code where I update the DOM....so execution is stopped and I click the DOM tab
Sep 11 03:02:30 <haeffb> "somewhere" covers a lot of ground. just sayin'
Sep 11 03:02:32 <sugardave> nothing
Sep 11 03:02:45 <Anivrom> sugardave: you have to type the var into the debug commandline
Sep 11 03:02:49 <Anivrom> and then look at the dom tab
Sep 11 03:02:59 <sugardave> what var?
Sep 11 03:03:00 <Anivrom> such as this.controller.get("mydiv")
Sep 11 03:03:05 <Anivrom> var/element
Sep 11 03:03:22 <Anivrom> or even "this" will return the dom of "this"
Sep 11 03:03:29 <Anivrom> ytou can go as broad as you want
Sep 11 03:04:22 <Anivrom> Basically anything you wanna know can be typed into the debugger, even mathematical equations. Yes its a calculator!
Sep 11 03:04:24 <Anivrom> :P
Sep 11 03:04:45 <Anivrom> conditional statements to test the outcome
Sep 11 03:05:00 <Anivrom> Its just a code executing machine with realtime results
Sep 11 03:05:46 <sugardave> oh no...this is not looking like what I was hoping for
Sep 11 03:05:47 <Anivrom> sugardave: remember how I said you can update vars in your program on the fly via the debugger? I lied
Sep 11 03:06:10 <Anivrom> just a heads up
Sep 11 03:06:14 <lemketron> why not?
Sep 11 03:06:18 <lemketron> should be able to in the console
Sep 11 03:06:30 <Anivrom> uhh cuase it didnt work for me when I tried
Sep 11 03:07:25 <sugardave> I was kind of hoping for the whole v8 debug console kind of DOM view
Sep 11 03:07:37 <Anivrom> its not like the inspector but it kinda is.
Sep 11 03:07:45 <Anivrom> you can double click the nodes to expand them
Sep 11 03:07:57 <sugardave> it's more like my debugObject method
Sep 11 03:08:09 <Anivrom> but graphical and more robust :P
Sep 11 03:08:14 <Anivrom> because of breakpoints
Sep 11 03:08:33 <sugardave> in your zeal, you're missing the point
Sep 11 03:08:51 <Anivrom> Well I have had a little much to drink, so my tongue is loose
Sep 11 03:08:51 <sugardave> the OUTPUT of the dom in this tool is basically the same as my debugObject would spit out for an element
Sep 11 03:09:30 <Anivrom> my brain feels funny
Sep 11 03:09:51 <oil> too much drugs?
Sep 11 03:09:57 <Anivrom> drugs = beer
Sep 11 03:10:03 <oil> alcohol is a drug
Sep 11 03:10:13 <Anivrom> sugardave: I dont get it, v8 debug console kind of DOM view
Sep 11 03:10:17 <oil> one of those legal ones
Sep 11 03:10:22 <Anivrom> you are using the V8 debugger
Sep 11 03:10:38 <Anivrom> So wouldnt that mean you are seeing the V8 console kind of DOM view?
Sep 11 03:10:49 <sugardave> Anivrom: use a webkit browser, go to any page and hit ctrl-shit-i (or mac equivalent)
Sep 11 03:11:00 <sugardave> then behold the awesome power of the dom view there
Sep 11 03:11:11 <Anivrom> Hmm is firefox a webkit browser?
Sep 11 03:11:14 <sugardave> nope
Sep 11 03:11:17 <sugardave> chrome
Sep 11 03:11:18 <sugardave> iron
Sep 11 03:11:20 <sugardave> safari
Sep 11 03:11:22 <Anivrom> boo
Sep 11 03:11:35 <sugardave> it's like firebug
Sep 11 03:11:38 <Anivrom> then I shall not waste my time navigating to one of said exe's
Sep 11 03:11:45 <Anivrom> dont know firebug either :D
Sep 11 03:11:50 <Anivrom> heard of it though
Sep 11 03:11:54 <sugardave> iron kicks firefox ass all day long
Sep 11 03:12:17 <Anivrom> negative! firefox is best! (unapologetic biased included)
Sep 11 03:12:31 <sugardave> ff was the best, before webkit
Sep 11 03:12:41 * oil uses chrome
Sep 11 03:12:45 <Anivrom> I thought webkit was firefox ... wierd
Sep 11 03:12:47 * oil only opens ie or ff to test crap
Sep 11 03:12:47 <sugardave> oil: use iron
Sep 11 03:13:01 <oil> or for sites like charter.net
Sep 11 03:13:03 <Anivrom> FF is the most spec compliant though isnt it?
Sep 11 03:13:04 <sugardave> Anivrom: I'm pretty sure ff is mozilla
Sep 11 03:13:12 <oil> that dont work and wont let me pay my bill in other browsers
Sep 11 03:13:18 <Anivrom> ff IS mozilla. but I thought webkit was mozilla
Sep 11 03:13:28 <sugardave> yes, I use ff as my backup like I used to use IE as my backup
Sep 11 03:13:35 <oil> webkit is... apple
Sep 11 03:13:42 <halfhalo> YOUR APPLE
Sep 11 03:13:46 <Anivrom> I use IE when I wanna slash my wrists
Sep 11 03:13:47 <oil> no, im oil
Sep 11 03:13:54 <Anivrom> Oil: oh webkit is apple?
Sep 11 03:14:03 <oil> i believe so
Sep 11 03:14:05 <Anivrom> how ironic palm is using an apple based framework then
Sep 11 03:14:08 <sugardave> concurs
Sep 11 03:14:29 <oil> well, its open source
Sep 11 03:14:43 <sugardave> oil: iron is chrome without all the hidden google stuff
Sep 11 03:15:04 <sugardave> it lags slightly behind chrome releases
Sep 11 03:15:21 <oil> "hidden google stuff"?
Sep 11 03:15:24 <sugardave> s/is chrome/is chromium/
Sep 11 03:15:27 <oil> like, when i search?
Sep 11 03:15:28 <oil> lol
Sep 11 03:15:45 <Anivrom>  IE is the most spec uncompliant POS ever. I tried building a webpage once and kept having to do IE workarounds cause microsoft decided to "interpret the spec the way it should be" instead of complying to the actual spec, whether wrong or not
Sep 11 03:16:00 <sugardave> oil: I think there are a couple of other things they do...but I use it because I'm security paranoid
Sep 11 03:16:14 <sugardave> so zero "other things" is appealing
Sep 11 03:16:32 <Anivrom> </rant>
Sep 11 03:17:17 <Anivrom> btw oil, wirc still refuses to open sometimes after closing it down. It just hangs on the card initialization phase
Sep 11 03:17:23 <oil> yeah
Sep 11 03:17:26 <Anivrom> but I'm sure you alread know this and are hard at work on a fix
Sep 11 03:17:28 <oil> its in trac
Sep 11 03:17:32 <oil> not so hard at work though
Sep 11 03:17:33 <oil> lol
Sep 11 03:17:40 <Anivrom> *sarcasm
Sep 11 03:17:43 <oil> puffy wrote that part :)
Sep 11 03:17:46 <halfhalo> WE DO NOT SPEAK OF TRAC
Sep 11 03:17:47 <Anivrom> LOL
Sep 11 03:18:13 * oil has never seen a dom exception 8 error before
Sep 11 03:18:27 <Anivrom> its bloody annoying cause I gotta restart luna!!!!11!one!!1eleven!one
Sep 11 03:18:30 <halfhalo> its the one after 7
Sep 11 03:18:41 <oil> its not found error
Sep 11 03:18:49 <oil> Anivrom: you dont
Sep 11 03:18:56 <oil> use jstop to kill errant wirc process
Sep 11 03:18:59 <Anivrom> oilL I do
Sep 11 03:19:00 <oil> then launch it
Sep 11 03:19:01 <Anivrom> oh
Sep 11 03:19:03 <Anivrom> I seee
Sep 11 03:19:09 <Anivrom> good to know
Sep 11 03:19:16 <Anivrom> maybe you should put that in the release notes!
Sep 11 03:19:24 <Anivrom> jeez.
Sep 11 03:19:33 <oil> but was seen after last release i believe :)
Sep 11 03:19:37 <oil> bug* :/
Sep 11 03:19:44 <oil> maybe it wasnt
Sep 11 03:19:46 <oil> i dont remember
Sep 11 03:19:47 <Anivrom> no, it was in previous too
Sep 11 03:19:50 <oil> i didn't push the last release
Sep 11 03:19:58 <halfhalo> 20 bucks says the "bug" doesn't get moved to redmine!
Sep 11 03:20:11 * oil thought they were all going to be imported
Sep 11 03:20:27 <oil> having to reenter everything would be a pain in the ass
Sep 11 03:20:34 <halfhalo> just because it does it all at once does not mean i wont find a way!
Sep 11 03:20:48 <Anivrom> fortunately we make the best P.I.T.A's in town
Sep 11 03:20:51 <Anivrom> So import away
Sep 11 03:22:04 <Anivrom> and also oil, I can into that bug again where the usernames were 0 after disconnecting (which halfhalo
Sep 11 03:22:09 <Anivrom> "supposedly" fixed
Sep 11 03:22:20 * oil glares at halfhalo
Sep 11 03:22:20 <Anivrom> can = ran*
Sep 11 03:22:31 <halfhalo> AT LEAST I COULD FIX IT!
Sep 11 03:22:43 <Anivrom> well apparently you COULDNT
Sep 11 03:22:50 * halfhalo fixed it for me
Sep 11 03:22:58 <Anivrom> 95% of the time yes.
Sep 11 03:23:08 <Anivrom> but I got it agains today for some reason
Sep 11 03:23:14 <b3ll> i can fix it
Sep 11 03:23:22 <Anivrom> :O
Sep 11 03:23:27 <b3ll> wif mah NINJA skillz
Sep 11 03:23:29 <oil> patches welcome :)
Sep 11 03:23:40 <b3ll> can haz?
Sep 11 03:23:47 <Anivrom> lol, looks like you HAVE to fix it now b3ll
Sep 11 03:23:55 <sugardave> Anivrom: you said I can double-click the DOM entries, like children: #<an HTMLCollection>.....what should happen besides that line getting highlighted and the little arrow toggling?
Sep 11 03:23:59 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary
Sep 11 03:24:03 <b3ll> Anivrom NO U
Sep 11 03:24:12 <Anivrom> sugardave: yea, in the DOM view
Sep 11 03:24:15 <Anivrom> view / tab
Sep 11 03:24:16 <sugardave> yeah
Sep 11 03:24:23 <sugardave> what is supposed to happen?
Sep 11 03:24:23 <b3ll> i think we should call it a DOOM view
Sep 11 03:24:25 <sugardave> ^^^^
Sep 11 03:24:35 <Anivrom> it should dropdown with the children lol
Sep 11 03:24:39 <sugardave> fail
Sep 11 03:24:41 <b3ll> :D
Sep 11 03:24:47 <Anivrom> does it not?
Sep 11 03:24:49 <Wolvenhaven> Anivrom is promoting dropping children?!
Sep 11 03:24:52 <sugardave> that is correct
Sep 11 03:24:55 <b3ll> LMAOOOO
Sep 11 03:24:56 <Anivrom> if it doens't then there are no children
Sep 11 03:25:03 <sugardave> that is incorrect
Sep 11 03:25:04 <Anivrom> Wolvenhaven: you know it
Sep 11 03:25:08 <Wolvenhaven> lol
Sep 11 03:25:09 <Anivrom> sugardave: that IS correct
Sep 11 03:25:16 <sugardave> childElementCount = 1
Sep 11 03:25:19 <Anivrom> check your vars again
Sep 11 03:25:24 <b3ll> Anivrom: MJ beat u to it
Sep 11 03:25:24 <sugardave> no
Sep 11 03:25:29 <sugardave> listen to me
Sep 11 03:25:29 <Anivrom> Hmmm
Sep 11 03:25:36 * b3ll listens
Sep 11 03:25:38 * Anivrom is listening
Sep 11 03:25:39 <sugardave> this.controller.get(element);
Sep 11 03:25:54 <sugardave> element happens to be a div with a table in it
Sep 11 03:25:59 * oil points out all this is halfhalos fault
Sep 11 03:26:00 <Anivrom> ok
Sep 11 03:26:02 <sugardave> that table is FULL of data
Sep 11 03:26:11 * halfhalo is ok with that
Sep 11 03:26:17 <sugardave> the table is a childelement
Sep 11 03:26:21 <Anivrom> Maybe it doesn't do tables.
Sep 11 03:26:22 <oil> good
Sep 11 03:26:23 <sugardave> are you with me so far?
Sep 11 03:26:27 * Anivrom looks at lemketron
Sep 11 03:26:31 <Anivrom> I'm with you
Sep 11 03:26:41 <sugardave> okay...so, fail
Sep 11 03:26:46 <Anivrom> apparently
Sep 11 03:26:47 <sugardave> children has one in it
Sep 11 03:26:48 <Anivrom> lol
Sep 11 03:27:04 <Anivrom> ok so just type the child node after the get
Sep 11 03:27:13 <Anivrom> this.command.get(eleemnt).childnode
Sep 11 03:27:21 <Anivrom> and start from there
Sep 11 03:27:29 <Anivrom> would that be appropriate?
Sep 11 03:27:46 <Anivrom> never really worked with tables before so I'm just guessing
Sep 11 03:27:51 <sugardave> then I'm back to using my debugObject method
Sep 11 03:28:12 <Anivrom> ok well guess it doesn't play well with tables idk
Sep 11 03:28:21 * Anivrom looks at lemketron again
Sep 11 03:28:31 <sugardave> let's see if it works with divs?
Sep 11 03:28:34 <sugardave> you think it will do that?
Sep 11 03:28:38 <Anivrom> Yar
Sep 11 03:28:43 <haeffb> it's a pita, sugardave
Sep 11 03:28:49 <Anivrom> I look at the dom of divs all the time
Sep 11 03:28:54 <haeffb> makes inspector look awesome
Sep 11 03:28:56 <Anivrom> haeffb: its not a PITA
Sep 11 03:29:02 <Anivrom> :(
Sep 11 03:29:13 * Anivrom feels he is losing ARES ground
Sep 11 03:29:22 <Anivrom> must... promote... ares
Sep 11 03:29:22 <haeffb> which is why I was working so hard to get inspector working multi-stage a couple of days ago.
Sep 11 03:29:27 * b3ll gives Anivrom iddqd
Sep 11 03:29:38 * oil looks at eclipse, then back at anivrom
Sep 11 03:29:49 * b3ll is on a horse
Sep 11 03:29:52 <Anivrom> lol. I'll take ares over eclipse at this point
Sep 11 03:30:04 * haeffb looks at eclipse, then at oil, then at Anivrom 
Sep 11 03:30:10 <Anivrom> I am too lazy to do all the stuff ares does for free
Sep 11 03:30:13 <sugardave> damn, ff died
Sep 11 03:30:14 * halfhalo is awesome
Sep 11 03:30:19 * rwhitby wishes the ares debugger didn't cause his web browser to hang
Sep 11 03:30:20 * b3ll then back to b3ll
Sep 11 03:30:23 * haeffb pats eclipse and says "good ide"
Sep 11 03:30:26 <sugardave> that is what happened the last time I tried to use it
Sep 11 03:30:27 <Anivrom> LOL halfhalo = epic
Sep 11 03:30:34 <oil> haeffb: dont pat it too hard, it might stop working
Sep 11 03:30:34 <b3ll> eclipse looks like crap tho
Sep 11 03:30:43 * halfhalo has safari open for netflix but prefers chrome
Sep 11 03:30:49 <b3ll> netbeans could use a mojo extension
Sep 11 03:31:05 <Anivrom> on the other hand, you have 4 fingers O_o
Sep 11 03:31:19 <lemketron> if you really want to use the inspector, use host mode
Sep 11 03:31:21 * haeffb whispers to ecliplse "b3ll didn't really mean that...it's Ok"
Sep 11 03:31:39 * Anivrom wonders what haeffb and eclipse do on those long cold winter nights
Sep 11 03:31:40 <oil> its going to stop working
Sep 11 03:31:41 * b3ll writes haeffb a letter
Sep 11 03:31:43 <oil> dont look at it anymore
Sep 11 03:31:51 <b3ll> Dear Eclipse... FUCK YOU
Sep 11 03:31:57 <haeffb> then I'd have to go download a whole nuther browser
Sep 11 03:31:59 <sugardave> lemketron: I normally do....but it won't work for things when I have to wait for an ajax request
Sep 11 03:32:32 <Anivrom> lemketron: does ares debugger show tables in teh DOM view?
Sep 11 03:32:38 <haeffb> where can one find this "iron" thing sugardave speaks of?
Sep 11 03:32:48 <Anivrom> google: iron?
Sep 11 03:32:54 <sugardave> Anivrom: it probably should, and a problem with ff and java on my ubuntu
Sep 11 03:33:07 * halfhalo has pie
Sep 11 03:33:13 <haeffb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
Sep 11 03:33:14 <sugardave> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_news.php
Sep 11 03:33:19 * Anivrom thinks halfhalo is lying
Sep 11 03:33:35 * halfhalo doesnt give Anivrom any
Sep 11 03:33:49 * Anivrom has strawberry cheesecake
Sep 11 03:33:56 <oil> google "iron chrome"
Sep 11 03:33:57 * Anivrom doesn't need halfhalo's pie
Sep 11 03:34:12 * Anivrom is in no condition to eat pie or cheesecake
Sep 11 03:34:17 * oil will eat his pie
Sep 11 03:34:34 * Anivrom would prolly throw up on the 130 dollar gen 1 G15 keyboard
Sep 11 03:34:54 * halfhalo has a gen 1 G15 somewheres in his room
Sep 11 03:35:06 * halfhalo also has a review model gen 3 
Sep 11 03:35:07 <Anivrom> kinda like that time I knocked my juice over onto my first gen1 G15 keyboard and rendered it useless
Sep 11 03:35:18 * halfhalo uses a G19 now
Sep 11 03:35:22 <Anivrom> My wife was kind enough to buy me a new one though for valentines day :D
Sep 11 03:35:24 <oil> gotta be more careful around your computer
Sep 11 03:35:26 * b3ll doesn't
Sep 11 03:35:34 <halfhalo> I like the G15 G1
Sep 11 03:35:39 <Anivrom> its nice
Sep 11 03:35:44 <Anivrom> 18 G keys
Sep 11 03:35:44 <halfhalo> yup
Sep 11 03:35:52 <Anivrom> even though I use.. lets seee. 0 of them
Sep 11 03:35:54 <halfhalo> the Gen 3 is nice as well
Sep 11 03:35:55 <lemketron> Anivrom: should
Sep 11 03:35:56 <Anivrom>  :P
Sep 11 03:36:12 <Anivrom> lemketron: well apparently sugardave isnt seeing his tables int eh DOM view
Sep 11 03:36:18 * oil uses keyboard he has had for like 6 years
Sep 11 03:36:22 <Anivrom> I want the one with the colour screen !
Sep 11 03:36:39 <halfhalo> Thats the one I have now
Sep 11 03:36:44 <halfhalo> got it for 60
Sep 11 03:36:52 <Anivrom> I tried looking for my super loud ultra clickey "hacker" IBM keyboard with those keys you can pop off with a butter knife, but I couldnt find it :(
Sep 11 03:36:59 * haeffb uses the keyboard that came with his laptop
Sep 11 03:37:01 <Anivrom> that was a museum piece
Sep 11 03:37:18 <sugardave> I have one somewhere, I think
Sep 11 03:37:24 <Anivrom> I love that thing
Sep 11 03:37:28 <haeffb> and the 15" screen as well
Sep 11 03:37:31 <sugardave> but I don't have an AT adapter
Sep 11 03:37:34 <Anivrom> Makes me feel like a real programmer :P
Sep 11 03:37:44 <lemketron> the original IBM PC keyboard? that thing rocked!
Sep 11 03:37:46 <halfhalo> I have a 15" laptop somewhere in my room...
Sep 11 03:37:56 <halfhalo> And a 14"...
Sep 11 03:38:00 <halfhalo> and a 12"...
Sep 11 03:38:02 <oil> das keyboard?
Sep 11 03:38:13 <Anivrom> and its got a deprecated audio out jack with some format I have never heard of LOL
Sep 11 03:38:19 <Anivrom> Sony style
Sep 11 03:38:26 <halfhalo> I need a 17" laptop
Sep 11 03:38:29 <Anivrom> coming out with standards and hoping they catch on
Sep 11 03:38:43 <oil> thats how sony does it
Sep 11 03:38:49 <lemketron> btw, dom inspecting, and changing of values works for me... (but I'm not messing with tables)
Sep 11 03:38:50 <Anivrom> mhmmm
Sep 11 03:38:51 <halfhalo> not to use, but just to have
Sep 11 03:38:56 <oil> they finally won with blueray
Sep 11 03:39:02 <haeffb> iron seems...fast.
Sep 11 03:39:03 <sugardave> Anivrom: http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/
Sep 11 03:39:07 <Anivrom> lemketron: it works for me too, but sugardave is having a problem with tables
Sep 11 03:39:15 <lemketron> try something besides tables.  ;-)
Sep 11 03:39:20 <oil> lol tables
Sep 11 03:39:25 <sugardave> lemketron: it died
Sep 11 03:39:27 <Anivrom> well of course its gonna work if its not tables
Sep 11 03:39:28 <sugardave> I gave up
Sep 11 03:39:34 <Anivrom> sugardave: is it clicky?
Sep 11 03:39:46 <sugardave> supposed to be
Sep 11 03:39:49 <Anivrom> I've seen that "hacker" keyboard before. Its got no lables
Sep 11 03:40:02 <sugardave> it's for typing faster
Sep 11 03:40:06 <Anivrom> lol
Sep 11 03:40:12 <sugardave> and discouraging people from using your stuff
Sep 11 03:40:14 <Anivrom> but not at first :P
Sep 11 03:40:21 <Anivrom> haha great at the office
Sep 11 03:40:45 <Anivrom> although some blond would just whiteout the letters and numbers claiming " I fixed it for you"
Sep 11 03:40:48 <lemketron> keyboards don't need labels.  that is pretty cool
Sep 11 03:41:07 <lemketron> though I'm not sure I'd spend $129 for a keyboard
Sep 11 03:41:17 <oil> yeah
Sep 11 03:41:17 <sugardave> it's different than when they used to sell it at ThinkGeek
Sep 11 03:41:20 <haeffb> so, host mode?
Sep 11 03:41:24 <halfhalo> I spent 150 on my gen1 g15
Sep 11 03:41:24 <oil> thats the only problem with it :)
Sep 11 03:41:28 <Anivrom> lemketron: I did, but that was for a G15 when it FIRST came out and was all the rage
Sep 11 03:41:32 <Anivrom> halfhalo:  me too
Sep 11 03:41:41 <Anivrom> bought it at electronics boutique
Sep 11 03:41:46 <halfhalo> spent 100 on my mouse as well
Sep 11 03:41:49 <Anivrom> in other words overpriced
Sep 11 03:41:51 <halfhalo> well, mice
Sep 11 03:41:52 <sugardave> the one tg used to sell had the curly IBM connecter cable and it was basically the black IBM 101 kb
Sep 11 03:42:01 <Anivrom> 80 on mine. its a razor deathadder
Sep 11 03:42:11 * rwhitby uses the keyboard on his 15" MBP and a cheapo Dell mouse.
Sep 11 03:42:23 <Anivrom> used to have a G5, that mouse was nice
Sep 11 03:42:23 <halfhalo> Speaking of which, where the hell is my G700 and G930...
Sep 11 03:42:28 <Anivrom> this one is great too
Sep 11 03:42:30 <lemketron> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#emulator_host_mode
Sep 11 03:42:35 <halfhalo> Had multiple G7's
Sep 11 03:42:44 <halfhalo> upgraded to a G700 review unit
Sep 11 03:42:45 <Anivrom> I used to be heavily into fps gaming so mice were very important
Sep 11 03:42:47 <rwhitby> lemketron: that's centaur, right?
Sep 11 03:42:53 <lemketron> yep
Sep 11 03:42:55 * oil has a G2... pen
Sep 11 03:43:00 <Anivrom> rwhitby: HAHAHAHA
Sep 11 03:43:15 <haeffb> oh, crap, this is complicated
Sep 11 03:43:17 <Anivrom> you need some uber pro hardware
Sep 11 03:43:24 <sugardave> haeffb: not really
Sep 11 03:43:36 <sugardave> do you have putty?
Sep 11 03:43:42 <haeffb> no, I just have to install all this stuff
Sep 11 03:43:43 <rwhitby> Anivrom: a true craftsman doesn't need overpriced tools ;)
Sep 11 03:43:47 <haeffb> yes putty
Sep 11 03:43:54 <sugardave> what stuff?
Sep 11 03:43:58 <Anivrom> But overpriced tools augment a true craftsmen
Sep 11 03:43:59 <Anivrom> :)
Sep 11 03:44:15 <rwhitby> Anivrom: that's why my laptop has 8GB RAM
Sep 11 03:44:19 <Anivrom> LOL
Sep 11 03:44:26 <Anivrom> mad photoshop skillz
Sep 11 03:44:34 <halfhalo> bah, 8GB is pricy
Sep 11 03:44:37 <sugardave> haeffb: don't do that
Sep 11 03:44:40 <haeffb> cygwin or tunnelier
Sep 11 03:44:56 <sugardave> you should be able to do port forwarding in putty
Sep 11 03:45:09 <Anivrom> my desktop only has 2gb of ddr2 ram hahah
Sep 11 03:45:10 <LoneStar99> haeffb: gona send you a PM
Sep 11 03:45:16 <Anivrom> with 800mhz FSB
Sep 11 03:45:43 <halfhalo> Desktop has 6GB, Mini has 3, T400 has 3, AS1410 has 2, C90s has 3
Sep 11 03:45:45 <lemketron> ok, I know it's still early (only 8:41pm here) but I'm heading home early for a change.
Sep 11 03:45:50 <Anivrom> and I do photoshop 3d studio max / after affects stuff with that
Sep 11 03:45:55 <sugardave> lemketron: have a good weekend
Sep 11 03:45:56 <Anivrom> albeit very slowly
Sep 11 03:46:06 <haeffb> later lemketron
Sep 11 03:46:07 <lemketron> thanks... and have fun!
Sep 11 03:46:11 <sugardave> heh
Sep 11 03:46:13 <Anivrom> cya lemketron
Sep 11 03:46:21 * lemketron thinks there should be a hackathon every Saturday that creates another cool app each week
Sep 11 03:46:34 * Anivrom concurs
Sep 11 03:46:51 <Anivrom> sucks the hackathon landed on my anniversary/vacation weekend :P
Sep 11 03:47:21 <LoneStar99> there is a hackaton tommorrow/
Sep 11 03:47:21 <sugardave> it's an on-going thing...you can always git the project and contribute :D
Sep 11 03:47:22 <LoneStar99> ?
Sep 11 03:47:22 <Anivrom> poor planning on roy-pre's part
Sep 11 03:47:34 <Anivrom> he shoulda checked my schedule first!
Sep 11 03:47:53 <Anivrom> brb white throne.
Sep 11 03:48:40 * haeffb is not receiving said PM
Sep 11 03:48:52 <TheMadSkeptic> greetings from wirc'd Pre
Sep 11 03:48:59 <LoneStar99> you did not receive it?
Sep 11 03:49:04 * haeffb thinks Anivrom is spending a lot of time at the throne tonight
Sep 11 03:49:08 <Anivrom> TheMadSkeptic: HI!!!!!!
Sep 11 03:49:17 <Anivrom> haeffb: just urinating :P
Sep 11 03:49:32 <Anivrom> draining the lizard
Sep 11 03:49:53 <rwhitby> TMI
Sep 11 03:49:56 <Anivrom> "insert clever urination substitute here"
Sep 11 03:50:11 <Anivrom> rwhitby: <3
Sep 11 03:50:29 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 11 03:50:46 <Anivrom> \o/
Sep 11 03:51:33 <Anivrom> anyone seen the val verde series on youtube?
Sep 11 03:52:07 <Anivrom> predator spoof basically
Sep 11 03:52:15 <Anivrom> tis' funny
Sep 11 03:52:55 <sugardave> arg
Sep 11 03:52:55 <Anivrom> Bah IRC has eaten my soul tonight. I gots no programming done
Sep 11 03:53:04 <halfhalo> :p
Sep 11 03:53:17 <Anivrom> although its argueable whether I am in a state to do any programming anyways
Sep 11 03:53:27 <Anivrom> might as well ramble on IC
Sep 11 03:53:33 <Anivrom> IRC too
Sep 11 03:53:35 <Anivrom> huzzah
Sep 11 03:54:20 <Anivrom> although I could make a corrupt file generator in java :P
Sep 11 03:54:55 <Anivrom> btw guys, http://failblog.org/, check early and often!
Sep 11 03:55:21 <Anivrom> LMFAO @ 2nd entry
Sep 11 04:10:30 <JCornett> Quick question for any Ares users here...
Sep 11 04:10:46 * Anivrom 's ears perk up
Sep 11 04:11:07 <JCornett> Can I create essentially anything in Ares that I can create in Eclipse assuming I have the SDK installed?
Sep 11 04:11:16 <Anivrom> jcornett: yes
Sep 11 04:11:20 <JCornett> In other words, any reason to go the Eclipse route over the Ares route?
Sep 11 04:11:33 <Anivrom> You just have to learn the ARES away of creating things. but they are almost similiar
Sep 11 04:12:21 <JCornett> Excellent, thanks for the info Anivrom.
Sep 11 04:12:27 <Anivrom> JCornett: the reason you would go to eclipse over ares is if you wanted to a) write more code manually for some bizarre reason b) no other reason
Sep 11 04:12:57 <JCornett> LOL, sounds good to me. I like Ares a lot, but wanted to make sure it would not hinder me in some way down the road.
Sep 11 04:13:06 <Anivrom> well it might
Sep 11 04:13:13 <Anivrom> but I havent found any way yet
Sep 11 04:13:24 <sugardave> JCornett: now ask him what he thinks the ratio is between ares devs and non-ares devs in this channel
Sep 11 04:13:36 <sugardave> (which is probably the best place to get help with questions)
Sep 11 04:13:42 <JCornett> hehe, what in your estimation IS the ratio?
Sep 11 04:13:48 <Anivrom> it essentially does everything mojo sdk does but puts a different face on it
Sep 11 04:14:03 <Anivrom> the ratio is 1000 mojo devs per 1 ares dev
Sep 11 04:14:16 <sugardave> JCornett: I have no idea, but I'm sure there are more straight mojo devs in here
Sep 11 04:14:23 <Anivrom> but that 1 ares dev just happens to be 1000 times smarter than the mojo devs
Sep 11 04:14:28 <Anivrom> so it equals out you see
Sep 11 04:14:41 <JCornett> LOL
Sep 11 04:14:46 <Anivrom> :)
Sep 11 04:14:54 <sugardave> the guy that thought firefox is webkit?
Sep 11 04:15:04 <Anivrom> misconceptions aside!
Sep 11 04:15:06 <JCornett> Why are so many people on Mojo versus Ares? Simply because Ares is a new item?
Sep 11 04:15:41 <Anivrom> JCornett: mainly yes, ares is new and they have their oldschool way of doing things
Sep 11 04:15:47 <Anivrom> and they dont want to learn the new stuff
Sep 11 04:15:52 <JCornett> Coming from an iPhone dev background, so I am used to Ares'esque environments.
Sep 11 04:16:02 <Anivrom> same reason I use ares, cuase I dont want to learn the oldschool way casue I'm use to graphical IDE's
Sep 11 04:16:09 <Anivrom> exactly
Sep 11 04:16:29 <Anivrom> I come from .net enviroment which is very graphical
Sep 11 04:16:38 <Anivrom> Ares makes me feel more at home
Sep 11 04:17:07 <JCornett> As long as I can still get into the code and tweak away in addition to graphical IDE stuff, I will be set. :)
Sep 11 04:17:16 <Anivrom> JCornett: you'll just have a harder time figuring out the Ares way of doing things cause not many ppl use it
Sep 11 04:17:19 <oil> i find when something tries to make things easier, it also takes away the power
Sep 11 04:17:25 <Anivrom> It has some quirks which have to be dealth with
Sep 11 04:17:32 <sugardave> oil: amen
Sep 11 04:17:35 <Anivrom> dealt
Sep 11 04:17:54 <Anivrom> oil: ares makes it easier but still gives you the control.
Sep 11 04:18:02 <Anivrom> it leaves it almost all open ended
Sep 11 04:18:17 <JCornett> I sure opened a can of worms here, didn't I? :)
Sep 11 04:18:19 <oil> whats easier, drag text box, look through properties panel for area to set its id
Sep 11 04:18:22 <Anivrom> only thing I can think of that mixes it up off the top of my drunken head is formatters
Sep 11 04:18:25 <oil> or just type id="thisismytext"
Sep 11 04:18:42 <Anivrom> oil: drag text box
Sep 11 04:18:46 <oil> lol
Sep 11 04:18:50 <JCornett> hehe
Sep 11 04:19:03 <Anivrom> why you ask? cause dragging does all that setupWidget crap that you straight mojo guys have to do
Sep 11 04:19:14 <Anivrom> whatever the heck the code is
Sep 11 04:19:16 <Anivrom> idk
Sep 11 04:19:18 <Anivrom> :P
Sep 11 04:19:19 <oil> you think anyone straight types that out?
Sep 11 04:19:26 * oil usually copy/pastes from previous apps
Sep 11 04:19:37 <Anivrom> well I'd rather drag and drop than copy paste
Sep 11 04:19:51 <Anivrom> And I dont have to worry about the cleanup of a scene except for custom listeners
Sep 11 04:19:53 <oil> i like to know what its doing
Sep 11 04:19:54 <Anivrom> Ares handles that
Sep 11 04:20:03 <Anivrom> You can still know what its doing in ares
Sep 11 04:20:03 <oil> instead of magic
Sep 11 04:20:13 <Anivrom> It's called scenechrome.js
Sep 11 04:20:15 <oil> AND
Sep 11 04:20:22 <Anivrom> shows you all the widget initialization code
Sep 11 04:20:24 <oil> ares has none of hte custom service stuff that i deal with
Sep 11 04:20:25 <sugardave> luckily, formatters aren't important
Sep 11 04:20:32 <Anivrom> sugardave: har har
Sep 11 04:20:37 <Anivrom> it does formatters
Sep 11 04:20:41 <sugardave> and easily too
Sep 11 04:20:42 <sugardave> I hear
Sep 11 04:20:44 <Anivrom> I just havnet bothered to figure them out yet
Sep 11 04:20:47 <oil> so id still be manually doing preware/govnah/wirc/lumberjack/etc/etc by hand
Sep 11 04:20:52 <oil> since none of that crap is built into ares
Sep 11 04:21:01 <Anivrom> oil: you can do manual stuff anytime you want in ares
Sep 11 04:21:02 <sugardave> oh? you mean it doesn't do formatters?
Sep 11 04:21:06 <Anivrom> you can mix and match
Sep 11 04:21:09 <oil> and the text editor needs much improvement
Sep 11 04:21:14 <Anivrom> sugardave: it does, I havent figured it out yet
Sep 11 04:21:18 <sugardave> that means no
Sep 11 04:21:23 <Anivrom> that means yes
Sep 11 04:21:27 <Anivrom> Just means I'm dumb
Sep 11 04:21:29 <Anivrom> or lazy
Sep 11 04:21:31 <Anivrom> pick
Sep 11 04:21:37 <sugardave> how?  if you can't make it do it, how do you know it does?
Sep 11 04:21:40 <oil> as cool as editing code in a browser is, its not as good as a desktop app yet
Sep 11 04:21:50 <Anivrom> cause lemketron said it does it!
Sep 11 04:21:56 <Anivrom> He's the final authority
Sep 11 04:22:06 <Anivrom> oil: i agree on that one
Sep 11 04:22:13 <oil> can you even do multi-stage apps in ares?
Sep 11 04:22:17 <Anivrom> Of course
Sep 11 04:22:20 <oil> lol
Sep 11 04:22:27 <Anivrom> Anything you can do in mojo is possible in ares
Sep 11 04:22:46 <Anivrom> Like I've been preaching this whole time. Its just sometimes its a different way of doing it
Sep 11 04:22:48 <oil> and not supporting git is also a mark against it
Sep 11 04:22:49 <Anivrom> such as formatters
Sep 11 04:22:56 <oil> :)
Sep 11 04:23:07 <Anivrom> meh its got its own version of checking out files and such
Sep 11 04:23:16 <oil> its got svn, just not git
Sep 11 04:23:30 * oil has nothing against ares
Sep 11 04:23:35 <Anivrom> me and my wife are logged on at the same time all the time
Sep 11 04:23:39 <sugardave> ares killed my dog
Sep 11 04:23:40 * oil just prefers what he has been doing all along
Sep 11 04:23:43 <Anivrom> and she's uploading files and stuff all the time
Sep 11 04:23:47 <Anivrom> graphics mind you not code
Sep 11 04:23:54 * Anivrom realises the difference
Sep 11 04:24:01 <oil> teach her to code
Sep 11 04:24:16 <Anivrom> oil: and thats why I prefer ares, cause its what I've been doing all along before I came to webos
Sep 11 04:24:45 <Anivrom> visual basic and flash are both gui ide's :) I like to keep it that way
Sep 11 04:24:45 <oil> you used ares before webos?
Sep 11 04:24:51 <oil> :)
Sep 11 04:24:56 <Anivrom> no. but I was certainly a programmer before webos
Sep 11 04:25:38 <Anivrom> My father is a programmer by trade so thats kinda how I got into it
Sep 11 04:25:52 <oil> idk if ares has changed since i first looked at it
Sep 11 04:26:01 <oil> but the scenes were just huge json files
Sep 11 04:26:03 <Anivrom> did you look at it in beta?
Sep 11 04:26:19 <oil> if you did something with its designer
Sep 11 04:26:22 <oil> you couldn't not use the designer
Sep 11 04:26:35 <Anivrom> heh
Sep 11 04:26:39 <oil> you couldn't do something the wysiwyg stuff didn't do for you
Sep 11 04:26:56 <oil> if it created html, that i could then go manually muck with, it wouldn't have been as bad
Sep 11 04:26:58 <Anivrom> Well the widget and html setups are all just json hash type markup
Sep 11 04:27:04 <oil> right
Sep 11 04:27:05 <Anivrom> but tahts no different from manual code
Sep 11 04:27:17 <oil> but that means you can only do whatever interprits that json supports
Sep 11 04:27:25 <Anivrom> You can manually muck with teh scene.html and teh widgets attributes etc
Sep 11 04:27:36 <oil> it doesnt make html
Sep 11 04:27:37 <oil> well
Sep 11 04:27:43 <oil> i assume the ares stuff does at runtime on device
Sep 11 04:27:52 <oil> but the scenes aren't html files
Sep 11 04:27:59 <Anivrom> lol
Sep 11 04:28:00 <oil> rather, weren't the last time i looked at it
Sep 11 04:28:13 <Anivrom> main has a main.html scene
Sep 11 04:28:16 <Anivrom> file*
Sep 11 04:28:45 <Anivrom> and it also has a mainchrome.js file which handles the initialization of widgets/html objects
Sep 11 04:28:51 <Anivrom> which were created during designtime via dragdrop
Sep 11 04:29:06 <Anivrom> so instead of manually typing in the code it just generates the lines in the chrome.js
Sep 11 04:29:09 <Anivrom> for each view
Sep 11 04:29:22 <Anivrom> and you can go in and edit that file
Sep 11 04:29:36 <oil> but you can't do things in the scene that the designer doesn't do for you
Sep 11 04:29:43 <Anivrom> sure you can
Sep 11 04:29:52 <Anivrom> gimme an example
Sep 11 04:30:01 <oil> its been a while since i looked at it
Sep 11 04:30:13 <oil> lets say a palm button-style header
Sep 11 04:30:30 <Anivrom> its got a dragdrop widget for that
Sep 11 04:30:38 <oil> what about adding things in it
Sep 11 04:30:46 <oil> like the "pop scene" button in wirc
Sep 11 04:30:47 <Anivrom> open up the chrome.js
Sep 11 04:31:03 <Anivrom> or open up the assistant and edit the actual code..
Sep 11 04:31:11 <oil> but there is no actual html code
Sep 11 04:31:15 <oil> its the json the designer created
Sep 11 04:31:29 <Anivrom> right, but you can still accomplish any html oriented changes
Sep 11 04:31:31 <oil> i cant just add a div in there and give it styles and listen for a tap
Sep 11 04:31:49 * oil must not be explaining it very well
Sep 11 04:31:51 <Anivrom> ok lets take that as an example
Sep 11 04:31:57 <Anivrom> you have a header
Sep 11 04:32:02 <Anivrom> you want to add a div to teh header right?
Sep 11 04:32:31 <oil> neither of us is going to change each others mind
Sep 11 04:32:36 * oil goes to get dinner
Sep 11 04:32:52 <Anivrom> I'm trying to resolve any misconceptions you have with ares
Sep 11 04:33:07 <Anivrom> So you dont think its a "dumb" ide with halfbaked capabilities
Sep 11 04:33:34 <JCornett> I was enjoying the conversation and learning a lot. :)
Sep 11 04:34:26 * Anivrom is almost exhausted of knowledge :P
Sep 11 04:35:35 <Anivrom> Hmm seems the effects the beer are wearing off. Maybe I can get a tiny bit of programming done
Sep 11 04:35:58 <JCornett> Well, I speak php, javascript/html and objective-C, so webos appealed to me because it uses language(s) I already know.
Sep 11 04:36:11 <Anivrom> JCornett: nice
Sep 11 04:36:26 <Anivrom> you should be smooth sailing in webos then
Sep 11 04:36:29 <Anivrom> ares or not
Sep 11 04:36:56 <JCornett> Just have to learn a new environment I suppose. I am looking to port my iPhone app to webos.
Sep 11 04:37:33 <Anivrom> if you already know javascript/html you might as well skip the mojo fluff and start developing in Ares, and if in the future you decide its not enough control for you and youw anna micromanage, then you can learn the little details of "straight mojo" as we call it
Sep 11 04:37:54 <Anivrom> JCornett: webos makes it really easy to port iphone apps via the pdk
Sep 11 04:38:21 <Anivrom> pdk = C programming
Sep 11 04:38:28 <JCornett> Really? I figured that was just for lower level C calls for games and such. Haven't looked into it much yet.
Sep 11 04:38:40 <Anivrom> c/c++
Sep 11 04:39:10 <Anivrom> is objective C radically different from C / C++ programming?
Sep 11 04:39:19 * Anivrom will admit he hasnt researched much on objective C
Sep 11 04:40:01 <JCornett> radically, no... just takes C/C++ and puts an objective programming slant on it. You can still make C language calls directly.
Sep 11 04:40:02 <Anivrom> JCornett: I read of a guy who ported his iphone game in 1 day
Sep 11 04:40:13 <JCornett> Wow, with the PDK?
Sep 11 04:40:15 <Anivrom> yea
Sep 11 04:40:40 <Anivrom> not saying you will have the same success cause there are many factors, but its atleast encouraging
Sep 11 04:40:53 <JCornett> No, you SAID it was one day! ;-)
Sep 11 04:40:57 <Anivrom> lol
Sep 11 04:41:21 <Anivrom> ok I'll pickup the overschedule costs if you run over your deadline of 24 hours
Sep 11 04:41:27 <JCornett> I will definitely check the PDK out.
Sep 11 04:41:34 <JCornett> LOL, rubber check?
Sep 11 04:41:49 <Anivrom> oh btw, palm is having a pdk only contest right now
Sep 11 04:42:20 <Anivrom> so if you port quickly you could win some monies
Sep 11 04:43:18 <Anivrom> JCornett: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2085
Sep 11 04:43:23 <JCornett> not bad
Sep 11 04:45:14 <JCornett> Thanks for the help Anivrom! Downloading the SDK/PDK now. Also, reading the Ares documentation now.
Sep 11 04:46:11 <Anivrom> If you need any help with Ares specific stuff feel free to ping, otherwise I will be sketchy on knowing your answer. sugardave haeffb halfhalo oil are prolly better references for the intense webos questions
Sep 11 04:46:35 <Anivrom> i r just a noob at webos :P
Sep 11 04:48:15 <Anivrom> lemketron: ping
Sep 11 04:49:10 <JCornett> cool, will do
Sep 11 04:49:56 <Anivrom> lol some drunk guy is walking downt eh street yelling random things
Sep 11 04:52:40 <Anivrom> hmm interesting. activate() is called at the end of the scene transition. that doesn't leave much room for executing code before the scene is displayed
Sep 11 04:52:47 <oil> yell "halfhalo, get back inside!"
Sep 11 04:53:04 <Anivrom> or "./me blames oil"
Sep 11 04:53:13 <oil> :/
Sep 11 04:53:15 <Anivrom> that usually gets oils attention since he's such a people pleaser
Sep 11 04:53:21 <Anivrom> and doesn't watn to be blamed :P
Sep 11 04:53:30 <sugardave> .readyToActivate()
Sep 11 04:53:38 <sugardave> or .aboutToActivate()
Sep 11 04:53:39 <sugardave> one of those
Sep 11 04:53:48 <Anivrom> sugardave: negative
Sep 11 04:53:54 <halfhalo> DAMMIT PEOPLE STOP MENTIONING ME!  TRYING TO WATCH STARGATE ATLANTIS RIGHT NOW!
Sep 11 04:53:55 <sugardave> okay then
Sep 11 04:53:57 <Anivrom> those are called during transition
Sep 11 04:54:09 <Anivrom> activate is called at the end of the transtition
Sep 11 04:54:11 <oil> "im trying to watch a show thats been canceled for years"
Sep 11 04:54:20 <oil> "its time sensitive"
Sep 11 04:54:24 <Anivrom> "but is an amazing show"
Sep 11 04:54:36 <sugardave> if you want to do something before .activate(), that's where you put it
Sep 11 04:54:39 <oil> halfhalo: which ep?
Sep 11 04:54:46 <Anivrom> right
Sep 11 04:54:52 <halfhalo> I hate you
Sep 11 04:55:05 <Anivrom> was just interesting to note that it gets called after the scene transition
Sep 11 04:55:08 <oil> sugardave: i dont think ares supports that :)
Sep 11 04:55:14 <Anivrom> oil: HAHA?
Sep 11 04:55:17 <oil> haha
Sep 11 04:55:17 <sugardave> heh
Sep 11 04:55:19 <Anivrom> :P
Sep 11 04:55:32 <Anivrom> ares doesn't support scene transitions yet...
Sep 11 04:55:34 <Anivrom> :(
Sep 11 04:55:42 <sugardave> impossible
Sep 11 04:55:49 <sugardave> it does everything mojo does I hear
Sep 11 04:55:50 <Anivrom> you're stuck on main for teh entire lifecycle of your app
Sep 11 04:56:03 <oil> lol
Sep 11 04:56:12 <oil> that would be horrible
Sep 11 04:56:22 <Anivrom> you basically gotta wrap all your other scenes in giant divs and fade them out respectively
Sep 11 04:57:09 * oil hopes you're joking
Sep 11 04:57:15 * Anivrom is joking
Sep 11 04:57:23 <oil> if not, add that to my list of reasons to not like ares :)
Sep 11 04:57:29 <Anivrom> LOL
Sep 11 04:57:33 <oil> lol
Sep 11 04:57:40 <Anivrom> if that was the behaviour of ares not even I would be using it
Sep 11 04:57:44 <Anivrom> I have standards
Sep 11 04:57:52 <oil> lol
Sep 11 04:58:06 <oil> halfhalo: you got standards?
Sep 11 04:58:11 <oil> :)
Sep 11 04:58:13 <Anivrom> yea halfhalo
Sep 11 04:58:16 <oil> haha
Sep 11 04:58:17 <Anivrom> do you?
Sep 11 04:58:27 <Anivrom> LOL
Sep 11 04:58:28 * oil waits for "halfhalo quit"
Sep 11 04:58:31 <halfhalo> I swear to god someone is going to die because of that
Sep 11 04:58:34 <Anivrom> HAHAHA
Sep 11 04:58:47 * Anivrom blames oil
Sep 11 04:58:53 * oil blames...
Sep 11 04:58:55 <oil> halfhalo
Sep 11 04:59:02 * Anivrom lulz
Sep 11 04:59:10 <oil> halfhalo: important news in irc, pay attention!
Sep 11 04:59:14 <JCornett> I can feel the love in the room. :)
Sep 11 04:59:22 <oil> its all done out of love
Sep 11 04:59:29 <Anivrom> we love to hate
Sep 11 04:59:33 <halfhalo> fuck this shit.  Going to watch stuff of the dvr and unplugging the speakers
Sep 11 04:59:36 <oil> love of screwing with halfhalo, haha
Sep 11 04:59:42 <Anivrom> LOL oil you were right
Sep 11 04:59:48 <oil> haha
Sep 11 04:59:57 <JCornett> halfhalo
Sep 11 05:00:00 <oil> haha!
Sep 11 05:00:05 <JCornett> (couldn't resist)
Sep 11 05:00:06 <Anivrom> yet he can't bring himself to quit irc.
Sep 11 05:00:16 <Anivrom> guess he DOES have standards
Sep 11 05:00:47 <Anivrom> what if there's that really important ping where someone wants to hire him to make a yule log app and is paying 1 million dollars
Sep 11 05:00:53 <Anivrom> and it will take him 2 minutes
Sep 11 05:01:01 <Anivrom> and he will gloat about it for years to come
Sep 11 05:01:06 <Anivrom> and rename him self sugardave
Sep 11 05:01:09 <Anivrom> oh sorry not the last bit
Sep 11 05:01:16 <oil> i was going to say, thought sugardave wrote yulelog
Sep 11 05:01:17 <JCornett> lol
Sep 11 05:01:48 * oil keeps it in his quicklaunch for the lulz
Sep 11 05:02:15 <Anivrom> halfhalo: alternatively you can turn off notifications in your IRC app of choice :P
Sep 11 05:02:55 <halfhalo> muted bitch
Sep 11 05:03:05 <oil> such anger
Sep 11 05:03:10 * Anivrom wonders why this slideshow has a slide called "threading and network"
Sep 11 05:03:21 <Anivrom> whats their definition of "threading" in webos
Sep 11 05:03:22 <JCornett> potty mouth halfhalo
Sep 11 05:03:34 <oil> is the slideshow about a knitting social club?
Sep 11 05:03:38 <Anivrom> apparently he's not muted since he still responded to that name mention
Sep 11 05:03:46 <oil> maybe he did now
Sep 11 05:03:50 <Anivrom> no http://www.slideshare.net/fpatton/marinacci-josh-intro-to-web-os-palm-dev-day
Sep 11 05:03:56 <halfhalo> Screens still on
Sep 11 05:04:07 * Anivrom has dual monitors
Sep 11 05:04:14 <Anivrom> IRC is fulltime on 2nd monitor
Sep 11 05:04:20 <Anivrom> unless im in photoshop
Sep 11 05:04:25 <Anivrom> then its the WINDOWZ baby
Sep 11 05:04:39 <JCornett> teh windowz even
Sep 11 05:04:47 <Anivrom> all of demz
Sep 11 05:05:08 <oil> full time on 3rd monitor :)
Sep 11 05:05:15 <Anivrom> dude, JCornett a little offtopic? this is #webos. lets talk about webos stuff plz?
Sep 11 05:05:24 <Anivrom> man I hate that
Sep 11 05:05:33 <Anivrom> lets stay On TOPIC PPL
Sep 11 05:05:41 <Anivrom> oh look a giraffe
Sep 11 05:05:46 <JCornett> LOL
Sep 11 05:05:50 <JCornett> SQUIRREL
Sep 11 05:06:03 <Anivrom> sea monkeys in dishsoap
Sep 11 05:06:45 <Anivrom> guess I should atleast write 1 line of code for the 5 hours I've been on the computer tonight
Sep 11 05:06:46 <JCornett> Ok, gotta run for the evening. Have a good one! And in honor of HALFHALO, peace out beyotches. ;)
Sep 11 05:06:51 <Anivrom> LOL
Sep 11 05:06:53 <Anivrom> cya later
Sep 11 05:06:58 <oil> lol
Sep 11 05:07:24 <Anivrom> halfhalo should be getting frustrated at rails instead of wasting his time with stargate
Sep 11 05:07:32 <oil> hes upgraded to php
Sep 11 05:07:37 <Anivrom> oh snap
Sep 11 05:07:49 <Anivrom> let the php related spams fly now
Sep 11 05:08:07 <Anivrom> php hates me HTWLEWHLTWAJGDGLQQ
Sep 11 05:08:11 <Anivrom> quote
Sep 11 05:09:49 <Anivrom> idk whether its ares or my phone but my app refuses to startup when I launch it via ares but when I restart my phone it starts up fine...
Sep 11 05:09:58 <Anivrom> must be my phone but idk why
Sep 11 05:10:16 <Anivrom> oh great. it erased my db.
Sep 11 05:10:26 <Anivrom> not good news for the end user lol
Sep 11 05:10:32 * oil blames... ares
Sep 11 05:10:35 <oil> and halfhalo
Sep 11 05:10:39 <Anivrom> good call
Sep 11 05:11:14 <Anivrom> now my app refuses to start.
Sep 11 05:11:19 <Anivrom> oh there it goes
Sep 11 05:13:11 <halfhalo> uypgbbpppppHY;IV DAO;BOS ACBKJXC J'I
Sep 11 05:13:35 <Anivrom> :D
Sep 11 05:14:33 * halfhalo goes to bed
Sep 11 05:14:52 <Anivrom> night halfhalo
Sep 11 05:20:36 <Anivrom> going to bed too. cya tomorrow guys
Sep 11 06:31:23 <egaudet> do you have to use palm-generate to submit a pdk app?
Sep 11 07:37:45 <dkarapet> anyone else getting an infinite login loop when trying to connect to the forums
Sep 11 08:23:37 <Amaranth> I figure as long as I'm not doing PDK stuff I can use Ubuntu again
Sep 11 08:23:43 <Amaranth> It feels like heaven
Sep 11 13:00:07 <haeffb> "Good" + new Date().getTimeofDay() + "#webOS";
Sep 11 13:59:34 <haeffb> it appears there is no way to set the value of a filterField...
Sep 11 14:27:42 <LoneStar99> morning everyone
Sep 11 14:32:12 <haeffb> morning
Sep 11 14:33:11 <LoneStar99> haeffb: morning
Sep 11 14:35:34 <LoneStar99> haeffb: i have the following http://pastebin.com/DxV3Ng0r
Sep 11 14:35:57 <LoneStar99> just rrying to understand app assistant,
Sep 11 14:36:17 <haeffb> mainStageName is the name of your ...wait for it... main stage
Sep 11 14:36:30 <hotdp> Anyone know how to simulate docking at touchstone charger?
Sep 11 14:37:05 <haeffb> move loadCookies() to AppAssistant.prototype.setup()
Sep 11 14:37:14 <haeffb> you only need to do that once.
Sep 11 14:37:25 <haeffb> whereas handleLaunch may be called multiple times
Sep 11 14:38:42 <manderton> setTimeout and/or setInterval work in webOS?
Sep 11 14:38:46 <manderton> killing me...
Sep 11 14:38:59 <haeffb> manderton: yes
Sep 11 14:39:17 <haeffb> hotdp: no
Sep 11 14:39:28 <hotdp> haeffb oki :S
Sep 11 14:39:36 <manderton> this.controller.window.setInterval(this.someFunc(),1000);
Sep 11 14:39:45 <manderton> someFunc only runs once
Sep 11 14:39:50 <hotdp> manderton i use it no problems here
Sep 11 14:40:00 <manderton> ok
Sep 11 14:40:10 <haeffb> LoneStar99: is it working or not...?
Sep 11 14:40:50 <haeffb> Isn't this.someFunc() is calling the function? perhaps try "this.someFunc" ?
Sep 11 14:41:16 <manderton> ?   without the ()?
Sep 11 14:42:26 <haeffb> I'm not sure, I don't use setTimeout & such, but I've seen something like that before.
Sep 11 14:42:33 <manderton> nice... that seems to work.  what's the diff?
Sep 11 14:42:50 <LoneStar99> haeffb: "first" scene is displayed, but does not work correctly, [20100911-07:34:38.015042] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'originalValue' of undefined, app/assistants/first-assistant.js:351
Sep 11 14:42:51 <haeffb> this.someFunc() actually calls the function RIGHT THEN.
Sep 11 14:43:16 <haeffb> this.someFunc passes the function to the setInterval
Sep 11 14:43:26 <manderton> ah... cool.  thx
Sep 11 14:43:44 <haeffb> LoneStar99: are you perhaps missing some setup stuff that was in your stage assistant?
Sep 11 14:43:59 <haeffb> and/or from your cookies?
Sep 11 14:44:21 <haeffb> and did you move loadCookies to setup() ?
Sep 11 14:45:11 <LoneStar99> yeah i moved the loadCookies
Sep 11 14:49:11 <LoneStar99> haeffb: this is the original app-assistant.js that works perfectly http://pastebin.com/KsSSuVgi
Sep 11 14:52:06 <haeffb> LoneStar99: copy lines 5 thru 43 to your new AppAssistant.
Sep 11 14:52:28 <haeffb> to line 2 in new AppAssistant
Sep 11 14:56:30 <LoneStar99> haeffb: do you mean inbetween line 3 and 4 (instead) of 2?
Sep 11 14:56:42 <haeffb> no, I mean 2
Sep 11 14:57:17 <haeffb> those are all your global variables and such that need to be outside of the AppAssistant constructor
Sep 11 14:57:48 <LoneStar99> ok
Sep 11 15:03:03 <LoneStar99> yeah, weird still not working correctly...
Sep 11 15:06:11 <manderton> blargh... this.controller.window.setInterval(...) changes variable scope...
Sep 11 15:06:26 <manderton> can't reach any other vars/funcs
Sep 11 15:06:33 <manderton> javascript sucks
Sep 11 15:06:41 <haeffb> this.someFuncBound = this.someFunc.bind(this)
Sep 11 15:06:44 <LoneStar99> i just hope, i do not need to rewrite all my previous logic,for one simple enhancement...
Sep 11 15:06:58 <haeffb> and then use this.someFuncBound in your setInterval call
Sep 11 15:07:18 <haeffb> LoneStar99: what's the problem now?
Sep 11 15:09:59 <LoneStar99> haeffb: the same problem, scene is still not passing correctly
Sep 11 15:10:18 <manderton> woot!   :D   thanks haeffb
Sep 11 15:10:39 <haeffb> javascript doesn't sucks...it's just different. :)
Sep 11 15:12:14 <haeffb> LoneStar99: what is on line 351 of first-assistant.js?
Sep 11 15:15:49 <LoneStar99> haeffb: var sVal = encodeURIComponent(this.model.originalValue);
Sep 11 15:16:52 <haeffb> that's the only error you get?
Sep 11 15:18:23 <LoneStar99> neah, so errors are not being displayed in log, so might be more work, that i thought, to get this working...
Sep 11 15:23:13 <haeffb> It should be simple.
Sep 11 15:23:29 <haeffb> if you transferred all the stuff that was in your stage assistant to the app assistant
Sep 11 15:23:51 <haeffb> the only difference is in how the stage is loaded and first scene is pushed.
Sep 11 15:30:13 <LoneStar99> yeah, weird
Sep 11 15:36:24 <LoneStar99> haeffb: so far had to replace "$" with "this.controller.get"
Sep 11 15:36:46 <haeffb> Oh, yes. $ doesn't work in a multi-stage app
Sep 11 15:37:02 * haeffb never uses $ for that reason.
Sep 11 15:37:28 <LoneStar99> yeah really neither do I, but this code is like 6 months old
Sep 11 15:38:15 <Anivrom> thats teh worst. working on code you wrote so long ago. its equivalent to looking at someone elses code.
Sep 11 15:38:25 <Anivrom> That's where good commenting habits are handy :P
Sep 11 15:38:31 <LoneStar99> working better, but still more "invisible" errors
Sep 11 15:39:15 <LoneStar99> Anivrom: yeah, the good think i understand what is going on in the code, just do not know, why the heck it is working like shit...
Sep 11 15:39:24 <LoneStar99> think = thing
Sep 11 15:39:34 <manderton> so the cookie bug -- cookie names can't have the same first letter...  is that still a problem?
Sep 11 15:40:10 <Anivrom> tea is ready yay.
Sep 11 15:40:30 <Anivrom> Starting to get a headache :P prolly from my latenight activities
Sep 11 15:40:39 <haeffb> manderton: afaik, yes.
Sep 11 15:40:55 <haeffb> Anivrom: arguing with oil will do that to you.
Sep 11 15:41:03 <LoneStar99> drinking tea here, do canadians drink more tea or coffee?
Sep 11 15:41:17 <Anivrom> haeffb: lmao
Sep 11 15:42:06 <haeffb> Anivrom: I also need to direct your attention to the third review: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.tigers.app.noted/
Sep 11 15:42:26 <Anivrom> well it certainly wasnt from thinking too hard, I got 1 line of code done last night
Sep 11 15:43:12 <Anivrom> haeffb: it searches your note content for your filter? ooooo ahhhhhh
Sep 11 15:43:35 <Anivrom> thats more handy than just searching titles
Sep 11 15:43:43 <Anivrom> like "most other note apps do"
Sep 11 15:44:16 <Anivrom> halfhalo: good morning good sir
Sep 11 15:44:25 <Anivrom> halfhalo: how are you?
Sep 11 15:44:34 <haeffb> the REVIEW, Anivrom, the REVIEW!
Sep 11 15:45:25 <Anivrom> I dont get it. Is there a specific place I should be looking at or is it just the fact that you got a review with 4.7 rating?
Sep 11 15:46:25 <Anivrom> hahahaha
Sep 11 15:46:35 <Anivrom> My one complaint: the icon is ugly and really not webOS style. Looks like clip art. Oh well. I replaced the icon, so I'm good.
Sep 11 15:46:37 <Anivrom> ouch
Sep 11 15:47:09 <Anivrom> Guess I shoulda tried harder and not accepted it as done when the client said "it looks great!"
Sep 11 15:47:31 <haeffb> yeah, never trust the client.
Sep 11 15:48:11 <haeffb> the "looks like clip art" has gotta sting a little bit.
Sep 11 15:48:46 <haeffb> I might "hire" codeslaw for my next endeavor.
Sep 11 15:48:49 <Anivrom> well there are only so many ways you can make a simple note icon but yea
Sep 11 15:49:50 <haeffb> did I show you simplenote's new logo? http://www.simplenoteapp.com/
Sep 11 15:50:02 <Anivrom> mhm
Sep 11 15:50:11 <Anivrom> It doesn't really say "notes" though
Sep 11 15:50:16 <Anivrom> which is what you wanted
Sep 11 15:50:20 <haeffb> I was going to add the logo to your icon, but they said, "NO"
Sep 11 15:52:27 <Anivrom> maybe ill redesign the icon
Sep 11 16:06:14 <BigBiff_> sup
Sep 11 16:06:23 <Anivrom> sup sup its bigbiff
Sep 11 16:06:46 <BigBiff_> hello Anivrom
Sep 11 16:06:51 <BigBiff_> what's new in webosville
Sep 11 16:06:58 <Anivrom> uhhh
Sep 11 16:06:58 <hotdp> hi BigBiff_
Sep 11 16:07:03 <BigBiff_> hi
Sep 11 16:07:13 <Anivrom> I guess the biggest thing is that everything is "Officially" oils fault
Sep 11 16:07:22 <BigBiff_> that's not new
Sep 11 16:07:25 <Anivrom> and we are to "blame oil" for pretty much anything negative
Sep 11 16:07:30 <Anivrom> Its new cause its official
Sep 11 16:07:35 <BigBiff_> noted
Sep 11 16:07:59 <BigBiff_> so it's oil's fault that my tether is jacked
Sep 11 16:08:08 <Anivrom> other than that there is a new download available for priviledged webos developers
Sep 11 16:08:15 <Anivrom> exactly
Sep 11 16:08:19 * BigBiff_ is not priviledged
Sep 11 16:08:38 <Anivrom> and you are to promptly "./me blames oil" because your tether is jacked
Sep 11 16:08:53 * BigBiff_ blames oil
Sep 11 16:09:21 <Anivrom> \o/
Sep 11 16:10:57 <haeffb> hey BigBiff_! hows that teaching gig going?
Sep 11 16:11:24 <BigBiff_> going - busy busy
Sep 11 16:11:31 <BigBiff_> busy?
Sep 11 16:11:36 <BigBiff_> that looks wrong
Sep 11 16:11:58 <Anivrom> lol. you're having one of those moments where you look at an english word and it doesn't look like it should be a word
Sep 11 16:12:02 <BigBiff_> yes
Sep 11 16:12:04 <BigBiff_> hehe
Sep 11 16:12:05 <Anivrom> busy is good
Sep 11 16:12:19 <Anivrom> I had that recently with the word "stop". I was like ... wtf
Sep 11 16:12:35 <Anivrom> for abotu 5 minutes then it wore off
Sep 11 16:13:00 <BigBiff_> i guess my 2 hour bus ride yesterday threw me off
Sep 11 16:13:14 <BigBiff_> bizzy is better
Sep 11 16:13:17 <BigBiff_> or bedder
Sep 11 16:13:21 <BigBiff_> idk
Sep 11 16:13:37 <Anivrom> yea that would do something to you. I took 1 hour bus rides for 5 years when I was dating my wife. near the end you get fidgety
Sep 11 16:13:50 <BigBiff_> heh
Sep 11 16:13:53 <Anivrom> bizzy r betteh
Sep 11 16:14:33 <LoneStar99> going to a "palm" society meeting in a while
Sep 11 16:15:46 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  does the following also not work in a multistage "Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene();" ??
Sep 11 16:16:35 <haeffb> probably not.
Sep 11 16:16:50 <haeffb> are you in the scene assistant?
Sep 11 16:17:19 <haeffb> in which case it should be this.controller.stageContoller.popScene();
Sep 11 16:17:34 <haeffb> if you're somewhere other than a sceneAssistant, you could use
Sep 11 16:17:34 <LoneStar99> ok, let me try that
Sep 11 16:18:54 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().popScene();
Sep 11 16:20:23 <LoneStar99> that worked!
Sep 11 16:20:37 * Anivrom is suprised too
Sep 11 16:21:44 <LoneStar99> do not ever convert a stage-assistant app to an app-assistant app, it turns into hella debugging
Sep 11 16:27:42 <Anivrom> I hate how google takes out the .'s in your searches, so programming related results are more vague
Sep 11 16:27:55 <Anivrom> this.controller.get returns a million xbox controller pages
Sep 11 16:28:49 <LoneStar99> one time i spent hours searching for "sql" command "or"  no search engine worked
Sep 11 16:29:25 <Anivrom> search keywords must be atleast 3 characters long
Sep 11 16:29:46 <LoneStar99> i thought i was nuts about an "or" statement that would not show up in search, went into "mysql" channel, got the answer in 2 minutes
Sep 11 16:30:03 <LoneStar99> yeah
Sep 11 16:30:27 <Anivrom> I can mix and match vars and strings in the get command right? this.numbers.refs.push(this.controller.get("digit" + i));
Sep 11 16:38:19 <LoneStar99> Anivrom: can you go to this link: http://www.buildasearch.com tell me if you see anything
Sep 11 16:38:49 <Anivrom> nope
Sep 11 16:38:59 <Anivrom> loading for a long time then errored out
Sep 11 16:39:01 <LoneStar99> ok, server down
Sep 11 16:51:02 <LoneStar99> laters, going to a "palm" tree society meeting
Sep 11 16:51:04 <Anivrom> I just refactored 50 lines of code into 10...
Sep 11 16:51:07 <Anivrom> cya
Sep 11 16:51:30 <Anivrom> actually more like 80-100 lines of code
Sep 11 16:51:40 <Anivrom> into 8
Sep 11 16:52:21 <Anivrom> and its like they say, refactoring will generally result in better performing code.
Sep 11 16:53:27 <Anivrom> sugardave: you around?
Sep 11 17:06:43 <haeffb> Anivrom: "this.controller.get"
Sep 11 17:07:10 <Anivrom> what is that in reply to?
Sep 11 17:07:29 <teemu> Evening
Sep 11 17:07:32 <haeffb> <Anivrom> I hate how google takes out the .'s in your searches,
Sep 11 17:07:44 <Anivrom> I put it in quotes as well
Sep 11 17:07:49 <haeffb> u needz to add you some quotez
Sep 11 17:07:55 <Anivrom> I did :)
Sep 11 17:08:15 <Anivrom> didnt change the search results though :)
Sep 11 17:08:18 <haeffb> shall I take a screenshot of my results?
Sep 11 17:08:35 <Anivrom> well I had some other keywords in there
Sep 11 17:08:40 <haeffb> well
Sep 11 17:09:01 <haeffb> but, yes, you can add 'digit' + i
Sep 11 17:09:20 * haeffb gotta get ready for some football!
Sep 11 17:09:29 <Anivrom> playing or watching?
Sep 11 17:09:42 <haeffb> watching
Sep 11 17:09:45 <Anivrom> noice
Sep 11 17:09:55 <Anivrom> tortillas with salsa I hope
Sep 11 17:10:07 <haeffb> I was at the high school game last night. They stopped the game at end of 1st quarter for lightning.
Sep 11 17:10:13 <haeffb> for 30 mins
Sep 11 17:10:18 <Anivrom> wow
Sep 11 17:10:21 <Anivrom> no rain though?
Sep 11 17:10:29 <haeffb> but every lightning flash, they'd restart the 30 mins.
Sep 11 17:10:41 <Anivrom> haha
Sep 11 17:10:45 <haeffb> it rained a bit, but they don't stop for rain.
Sep 11 17:10:55 <haeffb> 11:57
Sep 11 17:10:57 <haeffb> 30:00
Sep 11 17:11:02 <haeffb> 29:59
Sep 11 17:11:05 <haeffb> ...
Sep 11 17:11:09 <haeffb> 18:23
Sep 11 17:11:12 <haeffb> 30:00
Sep 11 17:11:17 <Anivrom> LOOL
Sep 11 17:11:19 <Anivrom> guess that was frustrating
Sep 11 17:11:23 <haeffb> just a bit.
Sep 11 17:11:31 <haeffb> eventually called the game and rescheduled for tonight.
Sep 11 17:11:42 <Anivrom> ah I see, so you're still going out
Sep 11 17:11:48 <Anivrom> I meant "watching on tv"
Sep 11 17:11:53 <haeffb> but they kept resetting the clock for about an hour and a half.
Sep 11 17:12:01 <haeffb> Going to Mizzou game tonight.
Sep 11 17:12:30 <haeffb> Univ of Missouri Tigers vs. McNeese State Fighting Cowboys
Sep 11 17:12:42 <Anivrom> ah
Sep 11 17:12:58 <Anivrom> I'm not a huge football fan but I like watching it on tv
Sep 11 17:14:21 <haeffb> http://img203.imageshack.us/f/captureevh.png/
Sep 11 17:14:48 <Anivrom> mhmmmm
Sep 11 17:14:58 <Anivrom> big brother is upon us
Sep 11 17:15:02 <haeffb> no doubt
Sep 11 17:15:17 <Anivrom> Guess it was just my keywords that were generating the xbox fluff
Sep 11 17:15:22 <haeffb> so, how do I pass arguments to a scene from AppAssistant?
Sep 11 17:16:01 <haeffb> pushScene docs say: "Note that all additional arguments are passed to the constructor of the next scene's assistant."
Sep 11 17:16:02 <Anivrom> same way you would from scene to scene?
Sep 11 17:17:03 <Anivrom> pushScene({name: "main"},yourargs: argvars);
Sep 11 17:19:03 <Anivrom> and in the mainAssistant, function mainAssistant(argsFromPusher, yourArgs) { // do stuff with yourArgs.yourProps)
Sep 11 17:19:05 <haeffb> aha
Sep 11 17:19:07 <Anivrom> but you already knew all this
Sep 11 17:19:17 <haeffb> I was trying to add args to the first object.
Sep 11 17:19:25 <Anivrom> oh
Sep 11 17:19:32 <Anivrom> yea it got me the first time too
Sep 11 17:19:37 <Anivrom> sugardave straightened me out
Sep 11 17:19:39 <haeffb> pushScene({name: "main", yourargs: argvars});
Sep 11 17:19:44 <haeffb> that will not work
Sep 11 17:19:49 <Anivrom> no
Sep 11 17:19:55 <Anivrom> gotta be outside the curly braces
Sep 11 17:20:00 <haeffb> docs are weak
Sep 11 17:20:39 <Anivrom> but you have to create a separate arg object on the other end
Sep 11 17:20:47 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene(sceneArguments, OTHER_ARGUMENTS)
Sep 11 17:20:51 <Anivrom> Cause 1 is for mojo's args and the other would be for yours
Sep 11 17:20:53 <Anivrom> yea
Sep 11 17:20:54 <haeffb> is what it should be
Sep 11 17:21:03 <Anivrom> whats the docs say?
Sep 11 17:21:13 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene(sceneArguments)
Sep 11 17:21:19 <Anivrom> lol!
Sep 11 17:21:25 <Anivrom> technically its true
Sep 11 17:21:28 <Anivrom> just vague
Sep 11 17:21:30 <haeffb> and  "Note that all additional arguments are passed to the constructor of the next scene's assistant."
Sep 11 17:21:47 <haeffb> so, yeah technically correct. just misleading/vague/unclear
Sep 11 17:23:03 <Anivrom> oh nvm you dont need 2 objects
Sep 11 17:23:05 <Anivrom> Just 1
Sep 11 17:23:18 <Anivrom> function mainAssistant(yourArgs) {}
Sep 11 17:25:10 <Anivrom> I use it to start my inventory screen in decor tab if they navigated to it from the decor setup screen
Sep 11 17:25:49 <Anivrom> 	if (argFromPusher && argFromPusher == "decor") {
Sep 11 17:26:15 <Anivrom> not sure if I need the first condition or not
Sep 11 17:26:57 <Anivrom> anyhows off to pickup my wife from the go station. bbl
Sep 11 17:39:41 <sugardave> I've found that even quoting around "." that google still ignores that shit
Sep 11 17:40:42 * sugardave is waiting for the m-f-ing dishwasher to finish so he can put in a new m-f-ing sink and garbage disposal.
Sep 11 17:57:32 * haeffb going mobile.
Sep 11 17:57:37 <haeffb> later folks
Sep 11 18:33:23 <dohtem> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/260948-tweetjar-another-twitter-client-under-development.html -- this twitter client looks great
Sep 11 19:08:26 <Anivrom> its perfectly valid to use for (var i=0 multiple times in 1 function right?
Sep 11 19:08:56 <Anivrom> cause i'm getting a bug where it keeps the value of i into the next loop even if I put i=0; right before the loop enters
Sep 11 19:55:01 <_azdak> hey yall
Sep 11 19:56:55 <_azdak> has anybody gotten a dashboard to launch on a card close?
Sep 11 19:58:54 <_azdak> it keeps pushing it as a full card for me
Sep 11 19:59:21 <_azdak> if I try to call it in the card's .cleanup method
Sep 11 20:24:48 <_azdak> slow day, huh? hahaha
Sep 11 20:25:41 <Anivrom> apparently :P
Sep 11 20:25:52 <Anivrom> I would answer your question if I knew. did you try googling it?
Sep 11 20:26:03 <Anivrom> im sure you'd find the answer if you dug deep enough
Sep 11 20:26:18 <Anivrom> palm forums have alot of answers
Sep 11 20:42:31 <_azdak> <Anivrom> - Yeah, I've turned over the dev forums pretty exhaustively
Sep 11 20:42:39 <Anivrom> that sucks
Sep 11 20:42:45 <_azdak> seems like it should be pretty simple, right?
Sep 11 20:42:47 <_azdak> haha
Sep 11 20:43:03 <Anivrom> Guess so.
Sep 11 20:43:33 <_azdak> I mean- just a minimize to dash thing.
Sep 11 20:43:35 <_azdak> ah well
Sep 11 20:43:43 <_azdak> back to digging :\
Sep 11 20:43:54 <Anivrom> just wait for some heavy hitters to come around
Sep 11 20:45:17 <_azdak> yah, I know there's some folks around who're super on top of it
Sep 11 20:45:42 <_azdak> spose I'll try again in the evening
Sep 11 20:46:04 <Anivrom> hmmm
Sep 11 20:47:07 <halfhalo> DYNOMITE
Sep 11 20:47:44 <Anivrom> Azdak: http://books.google.ca/books?id=F8ZbVQcypwcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=practical+palm+webos+projects+google+books&hl=en&ei=6-mLTMbpGZXVngfD5aiuCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dashboard&f=false
Sep 11 20:47:49 <Anivrom> try that link and do some searchin
Sep 11 22:22:20 <MBarvian> does anyone know how I can enable the defalult Mojo.Menu.prefsItem and Mojo.Menu.helpItem in the Appmenu?
Sep 11 22:23:01 <JenP> hi all!
Sep 11 22:23:51 * Anivrom is eating maki's that his wife made
Sep 11 22:24:03 <Anivrom> along with teriyaki chicken
Sep 11 22:24:11 <JenP> yummy!
Sep 11 22:24:39 <Anivrom> its a slow night so dont expect much action atm
Sep 11 22:24:44 <Anivrom> JenP: ^^^
Sep 11 22:24:51 <JenP> smiles..no prob.
Sep 11 22:24:57 <JenP> I'm finally home!
Sep 11 22:27:00 <MBarvian> anyone
Sep 11 22:27:04 <MBarvian> ?
Sep 11 22:27:48 <Anivrom> ask again jenP might know
Sep 11 22:28:12 <Anivrom> jenP: <MBarvian>	does anyone know how I can enable the defalult Mojo.Menu.prefsItem and Mojo.Menu.helpItem in the Appmenu?
Sep 11 22:28:52 <JenP> in tha Appmenu?
Sep 11 22:29:21 <JenP> webos101 has a pretty good write up on it
Sep 11 22:29:24 <JenP> let me find it
Sep 11 22:29:42 <Amaranth> Hmm, it seems everyone has given up on Google Voice, aside from Android users which get an official app.
Sep 11 22:30:58 <JenP> MBarvian: i don't see one off hand but I'll try to walk you through it
Sep 11 22:31:12 <JenP> first set up your menu items in your stage-assistant
Sep 11 22:32:32 <JenP> http://pastebin.com/EFMWUFfY like that
Sep 11 22:33:31 <JenP> then in each js file setupthe menu with this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, myMenuAttr, myMenuModel);
Sep 11 22:33:53 <JenP> did that help?
Sep 11 22:34:23 <Anivrom> *crickets chirping*
Sep 11 22:34:44 <JenP> lol
Sep 11 22:51:09 <halfhalo_pre> meeep
Sep 11 22:52:54 <rwhitby> morning
Sep 11 22:55:23 <halfhalo_pre> it's almost dinner here! silly australians!
Sep 11 22:59:20 <halfhalo_pre> ok, there re little kids running all over this vzw store climing all around me trying to watch mah ipads
Sep 11 23:00:02 * Anivrom is one of those kids
Sep 11 23:01:31 <halfhalo_pre> lol
Sep 11 23:01:38 <halfhalo_pre> their like 5
Sep 11 23:02:22 * Anivrom acts 5
Sep 11 23:03:37 <LoneStar99> howdy
Sep 11 23:05:09 <Anivrom> hola señior
Sep 11 23:06:08 * Amaranth remember when he slept on australian time
Sep 11 23:06:22 <Amaranth> Everyone I knew in Australia slept on American time so we still kept missing each other
Sep 11 23:09:45 <LoneStar99> hola
Sep 11 23:19:43 <Anivrom> grr
Sep 11 23:21:56 <leiru> anyone a good tutorial for dashboard notifications @ webos? even if the app is not running?
Sep 11 23:34:17 <Amaranth> leiru: The app has to have a card open for that iirc
Sep 11 23:34:28 <Amaranth> Otherwise the user doesn't have a way to close it
Sep 11 23:43:16 <leiru> Amaranth: no.
Sep 11 23:44:05 <leiru> Amaranth: http://bit.ly/9JLJFp
Sep 11 23:44:18 <leiru> example in real app-life: weather dashboard app
Sep 11 23:45:00 <Amaranth> leiru: Ok, but then the app is running, it is constantly showing something in the dashboard
Sep 11 23:45:16 <Amaranth> You can't have it hidden in the background and pop something on the dashboard like the mail app does
Sep 11 23:46:09 <leiru> ah i c
Sep 11 23:46:25 <leiru> first two points at palm dev foo.
Sep 11 23:46:42 <Anivrom> well you can
Sep 11 23:46:55 <leiru> damn, then i would have to release a widget & an app :)
Sep 11 23:47:09 <Anivrom> Its possible to have background processes
Sep 11 23:47:19 <Anivrom> Without the card open
Sep 11 23:47:49 <Anivrom> leiru let me find the link
Sep 11 23:48:08 <LoneStar99> b* chatr feedback is slowly getting better now a 1.6 LOL
Sep 11 23:48:16 <LoneStar99> instead of a .05
Sep 11 23:48:19 <LoneStar99> .5
Sep 11 23:48:34 <leiru> btw. i dont play, but skybox app is great! :)
Sep 11 23:48:54 <Anivrom> its too easy
Sep 11 23:49:33 <leiru> Anivrom: indeed :(
Sep 11 23:49:34 <Anivrom> leiru: you need code for having a dashboard open or a background process?
Sep 11 23:49:46 <Anivrom> and it only runs smooth when you are OC
Sep 11 23:49:52 <leiru> OC?
Sep 11 23:50:20 <Anivrom> overclocking
Sep 11 23:50:28 <Anivrom> up to 1ghz now
Sep 11 23:50:30 <leiru> ah ok
Sep 11 23:50:34 <Anivrom> double the stock speed lol
Sep 11 23:50:52 <Anivrom> and cuts life expectancy of the cpu by about 5
Sep 11 23:50:57 <Anivrom> lol
Sep 11 23:51:03 <Anivrom> if not more
Sep 11 23:51:21 <Anivrom> anyways answer my question leiru
Sep 11 23:51:45 <leiru> Anivrom: in my tiny app there is a pref: "background running". i want, if enabled and application closed, display some status messages in the dashboard.
Sep 11 23:51:58 <Anivrom> ok
Sep 11 23:52:32 <leiru> like a "desktop"-widget in meego/android or so
Sep 11 23:53:49 <pygi> folks, quick Q: anybody needs a VPS? Got a couple of special VIP invites for webOS folks (me loves webOS :))
Sep 11 23:53:51 <Anivrom> http://books.google.ca/books?id=F8ZbVQcypwcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=practical+palm+webos+projects&hl=en&ei=ZRSMTP_GBIrmnAfT8OS5Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=background%20process&f=false
Sep 11 23:53:57 <Anivrom> go to page 273
Sep 11 23:54:11 <Anivrom> and look at that app. disect the code, it uses a background monitoring app
Sep 11 23:54:13 <Anivrom> with dashboards
Sep 11 23:54:17 <JenP> hi all!
Sep 11 23:54:49 <leiru> ok i'll tryy
Sep 11 23:54:51 <leiru> thx
Sep 12 00:11:35 <leiru> Anivrom: too many pages ripped :(
Sep 12 00:11:45 <Anivrom> Oh
Sep 12 00:11:57 <Anivrom> there were ripped pages?
Sep 12 00:11:59 <Anivrom> lol
Sep 12 00:12:20 <Anivrom> did it look like it was going to be useful though?
Sep 12 00:12:27 <Anivrom> cause Ihave the book in pdf format....
Sep 12 00:13:29 <leiru> i often read in this book while coding my first app - it looks certainly better than the webOS book from addison wesley
Sep 12 00:13:42 <leiru> i will look for getting that. mom
Sep 12 00:20:58 <leiru> Anivrom: it would be nice, if google would offer a "book-flatrate", pay 10 euros/month and read all books there in full version.
Sep 12 00:21:06 <Anivrom> :P
Sep 12 00:21:52 <leiru> they scanned so many books, i think i would pay, because i can use google books anywhere.
Sep 12 00:22:18 <leiru> and i can't say, that i doesnt like their web-pdf presentation
Sep 12 00:22:48 <Anivrom> yea
Sep 12 00:37:13 <rgilbert> hey peeps
Sep 12 00:37:19 <rgilbert> oh
Sep 12 00:37:33 <Anivrom> corndog fetish
Sep 12 00:37:40 <Anivrom> oops wrong chat
Sep 12 00:37:52 <BigBiff_> heh
Sep 12 00:38:01 <leiru> as i am fairly a noobs to webos-dev: do i have to pre-cache all event handlers, or just all in the constructor or every? or maybe just the ones, that opens a scene?
Sep 12 00:38:21 <leiru> -s
Sep 12 00:38:31 <Anivrom> leiru: its best to setup a var for event handlers
Sep 12 00:39:52 <BigBiff_> im stumped, has anyone gotten my tether to work on webos 1.4.5?
Sep 12 00:40:04 <BigBiff_> i tried it today for the first time since the update, and it seems broken
Sep 12 00:40:52 <BigBiff_> i tried blaming oil, but that too didnt fix
Sep 12 00:40:59 <JenP> lol
Sep 12 00:41:14 <BigBiff_> hi JenP
Sep 12 00:41:20 <BigBiff_> hows things?
Sep 12 00:41:50 <JenP> very well. How are you?
Sep 12 00:41:52 <oil> blaming me fixes nothing!
Sep 12 00:42:00 <oil> you've been getting bad info
Sep 12 00:42:06 <JenP> lol hi oil
Sep 12 00:42:13 <leiru> Anivrom: and what about this: http://pastebin.com/19qfc5m8
Sep 12 00:42:33 <Anivrom> leiru: perfect
Sep 12 00:42:37 <BigBiff_> oil, it did fix things when i had vista, but now windows 7....
Sep 12 00:42:52 <leiru> :)
Sep 12 00:43:27 <oil> only blaming halfhalo actually helps things
Sep 12 00:44:44 <BigBiff_> i'll try it
Sep 12 00:56:09 <creationix> is there a way to get 1.4.5 on my pre plus (att)
Sep 12 00:56:55 <oil> throw it in a river, and get a pre on sprint
Sep 12 00:57:52 <creationix> hmm
Sep 12 00:57:59 <oil> sorry :/
Sep 12 01:07:27 <dawm_> lol
Sep 12 01:33:00 <Mossop> Anyone know what the difference between "Web Distribution" and "Beta Application" in the distribution options?
Sep 12 01:35:54 <Anivrom> Mossop: web distribution only shows up online and not in the app catalogue, beta application shows up in the special "beta" feed
Sep 12 01:36:03 <Anivrom> in the app catalogue*
Sep 12 01:36:07 <rwhitby> Mossop: http://bit.ly/palm-catalog-feed
Sep 12 01:37:31 <Mossop> So if I'm opting out of the RSS feeds then it makes no difference?
Sep 12 01:38:48 <rwhitby> you can charge in web, not in beta.
Sep 12 01:41:06 <Mossop> Can apps in the beta be updated to the main feed, or can the web distribution apps?
Sep 12 01:54:40 <sugardave> Mossop: you have to generate a new ipk with a different appId for each feed
Sep 12 01:55:11 <sugardave> and submit them as new
Sep 12 02:05:33 <Anivrom> wow that code was chocked full of extra ) fails
Sep 12 02:56:55 <LoneStar99> evening
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