**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010 Sep 13 03:00:21 I get an error on this line: this.fallingTargets[column].push({img: this.fallingTargetImgs.imgs[type], category: category, tapped: false, imgIndex: type, y: -50, x: this.fallingTargetX[column]}); Sep 13 03:00:39 this.fallingTargets has a length of 4 Sep 13 03:01:10 but they are empty elements Sep 13 03:01:21 I'm having a brainfart Sep 13 03:02:01 haha, i like that video Sep 13 03:02:12 anyone know how on tap go to bottom of content displayed in device? Sep 13 03:04:04 hmmm? Sep 13 03:04:21 TIBFIB Sep 13 03:04:26 Anivrom could it be erroring out when it tries to put the object past the size of the screen? Sep 13 03:04:27 Anivrom! Sep 13 03:04:30 would this code solve my problem mentioned above? Sep 13 03:04:32 this.fallingTargets.push(new Array()); Sep 13 03:04:59 Wolvenhaven: no its erroring out cause its trying to push an array item on something that isnt an array Sep 13 03:05:03 oh Sep 13 03:05:11 but I think that code above fixes it Sep 13 03:05:21 *as soon as tibfib confirms my logic* Sep 13 03:05:25 Anivrom: I don't know... Sep 13 03:05:28 dude Sep 13 03:05:30 I'm kinda out of it Sep 13 03:05:34 so am I Sep 13 03:05:46 it totally depends on what you are trying to accomplish Sep 13 03:06:07 I'm trying to setup a parent array with 4 elements which will have their own subelements Sep 13 03:06:23 4 elements are representative of 4 colums of falling items in my game Sep 13 03:06:24 a parent array of objects with 4 elements Sep 13 03:06:31 no Sep 13 03:06:39 A parent object which is an array with 4 elements Sep 13 03:06:46 but those 4 elements have to be arrays themselves Sep 13 03:06:55 this.fallingTargets.push(new Array()); x4 fixes that I think Sep 13 03:07:16 array = [{[]},{[]},{[]}] ? Sep 13 03:07:16 that will make a brand new array at the end of fallingTargets Sep 13 03:07:42 thats what I want Sep 13 03:08:06 fallingTargets should have 4 elements which are arrays Sep 13 03:08:11 which I will then push items into Sep 13 03:08:24 Anivrom: why does fallingTargest have to be an array? Sep 13 03:08:25 this.fallingTargets[index].push(objects) Sep 13 03:08:35 Cause it's more conventient that way Sep 13 03:08:48 err, why can't it be an associative array? Sep 13 03:09:01 I use a column var to index the rigth one Sep 13 03:09:07 cause those scare me Sep 13 03:09:33 anyhow I got rid of the error Sep 13 03:09:46 now I just gotta figure out why the items arent being displayed and I'm golden Sep 13 03:10:56 * Tibfib goes to bed Sep 13 03:21:58 * Anivrom wished with all his heart soul and mind that Ares was a DESKTOP IDE Sep 13 03:23:06 it is a desktop ide Sep 13 03:23:11 you can use it on your desktop :) Sep 13 03:23:34 * Anivrom ignores alexfner and continues his rage Sep 13 03:24:38 It's like riding snails working with ares sometimes. Especially if you're on wireless and got net issues Sep 13 03:25:08 lol Sep 13 03:25:57 A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. Sep 13 03:26:01 Script: chrome://searchshield/content/avgls-active.js:70 Sep 13 03:26:11 lather rince repeat Sep 13 03:26:20 use eclipse Sep 13 03:26:38 How did the programmer die in the shower Sep 13 03:26:57 slipped while masterbating and broke his neck Sep 13 03:27:09 The shampoo bottle said lather rince repeat, and so he did Sep 13 03:27:12 forever Sep 13 03:30:48 oh god Sep 13 03:30:50 wolvenhaven Sep 13 03:30:56 I just made a call to explain how funny that was to me Sep 13 03:31:07 I cannot stop laughing Sep 13 03:31:09 lol Sep 13 03:31:15 I really cannot Sep 13 03:31:20 that is way too funny Sep 13 03:31:46 it's the perfect level of violence and honest that builds great comedy Sep 13 03:32:35 i'm thinking about writing a paid app called sweet talker, which is a bit like the mass effect dialog system Sep 13 03:32:43 to come up with exactly what you want to say to a girl Sep 13 03:32:50 and then have it automatically txt them it Sep 13 03:33:07 so just a DB of thousands of sweet talk sayings with a ton of relational links Sep 13 03:33:22 it wouldn't be nearly as funny as that joke Sep 13 03:33:36 yea, but it's true though Sep 13 03:33:48 sugardave: belated pong Sep 13 03:33:52 the same could be said of any kind of nerd/geek Sep 13 03:33:59 oh man this yogurt I am eating tastes like pizza Sep 13 03:34:14 might want to get a new one Sep 13 03:34:18 that sounds like it's molded over Sep 13 03:34:33 regarding the discussion on whether it's better to look for the answer yourself, or just to ask here... Sep 13 03:34:52 i treat irc as a kind of self-aware reference book Sep 13 03:34:54 I prefer to make it a challenge. Ask here, then see if I can find the answer before someone responds. Sep 13 03:34:55 naw, it's just dannon yogurt, the shitty yogurt of the east Sep 13 03:35:05 lol Sep 13 03:35:13 i loved gogurt as a kid Sep 13 03:35:16 that shit was awesome Sep 13 03:35:56 oh god Sep 13 03:35:57 terrible Sep 13 03:36:00 * haeffb would ask why you girls are eating yogurt... Sep 13 03:36:25 ...but I just brought a bunch home from the store to eat at work this week. Sep 13 03:36:29 i'm currently sucking on a nicotine pouch flavored like an apple actually Sep 13 03:36:29 I was thinking about becoming one of those people who walks around giving free stuff, mine would be danimals Sep 13 03:36:45 it'd be like the people who give out monster energy drinks, except without any of the "cool" factor Sep 13 03:36:50 that's a great career move Sep 13 03:37:05 i can't stand 90% of energy drinks Sep 13 03:37:09 the only ones i liked were bawls Sep 13 03:37:19 yeah, and I'd also have a giant tub of butterscotch that you could dip your hand in and take as much as you could grab at once Sep 13 03:37:40 gooey butterscotch? Sep 13 03:37:47 the gooeyest Sep 13 03:37:53 nice. Sep 13 03:38:04 lol Sep 13 03:38:09 haeffb: why would this not work with an app-assistant app? http://pastebin.com/DnSX3seK Sep 13 03:38:41 mult-stage app i mean Sep 13 03:38:53 those people who give out free stuff are great Sep 13 03:39:01 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr changed every single refernce to this.fallingTargetRefs to fallingTargetsRefs except 2 places, and I was staring at the code for how long before I realised Sep 13 03:39:01 because I would never buy their stuff otherwise Sep 13 03:39:18 Anivrom: just use find + replace =D Sep 13 03:39:24 did that Sep 13 03:39:27 missed those Sep 13 03:39:32 ah Sep 13 03:39:34 sucks Sep 13 03:39:37 dont ask why I'm sleep depriced Sep 13 03:39:41 deprived too maybe Sep 13 03:39:44 JUST MAYBE~!!!! Sep 13 03:39:52 until you start halucinating it's not good enough Sep 13 03:39:57 the halucinations are fucking awesome Sep 13 03:40:54 ever thought about how it's interesting that caffeine is legal when other substances aren't? Sep 13 03:41:12 sleep deprevation rocks Sep 13 03:41:21 i'm addicted to it to the point if i don't have it, i wind up falling asleep Sep 13 03:41:23 my sister was high on crack and stayed up for 5 days straight. she was hallucinating ultra by the end of it Sep 13 03:41:34 caffeine doesn't perk me up, it keeps me baseline Sep 13 03:41:42 Wolvenhaven: me as well Sep 13 03:41:43 Wolvenhaven: if I don't have it, I fall asleep too. Sep 13 03:41:44 I'm immune Sep 13 03:41:53 generally at least once every 24 hours Sep 13 03:41:56 i drink like 4-5 cokes a day just to keep awake Sep 13 03:41:58 Too much life on the road Sep 13 03:42:00 well I understand, but there are times where I can get the jitters from caffeine Sep 13 03:42:07 well see, coke != espresso Sep 13 03:42:11 I never get jitters from anything Sep 13 03:42:13 * haeffb gave up caffeine again. Sep 13 03:42:15 i'm from GA Sep 13 03:42:18 even espresso Sep 13 03:42:20 the coke plant is 30min down the road Sep 13 03:42:21 i do coke and meth Sep 13 03:42:30 on days where I've had 6 shots of espresso throughout the day, I can get some jitters Sep 13 03:42:51 I do.coke() methods too LoneStar99 Sep 13 03:43:06 with a splash of ROCKS Sep 13 03:43:07 LoneStar99: there is no reason why it would not work Sep 13 03:43:45 there is no way in hell i'm ever breaking my caffiene addiction Sep 13 03:43:47 although it doesn't actually DO anything Sep 13 03:43:49 but i'm trying my nicotine one Sep 13 03:44:28 * haeffb gave up nicotine 20 years ago Sep 13 03:44:41 it's not that bad, you just sleep for two days, and then wake up and are no longer in need of niccotine Sep 13 03:44:42 you have time to give up lots of shit yet. Sep 13 03:44:44 I mean caffeine* Sep 13 03:44:47 not nicotine Sep 13 03:45:06 haeffb: yeah it is weird, but code inside "function(transport){ }" not working... Sep 13 03:45:40 i've quit smoking, i've quit dipping Sep 13 03:45:43 stick a Mojo.Log.info("Inside ajax onSuccess"); in there Sep 13 03:45:47 and i'm slowly weaning myself off it with pouches Sep 13 03:46:13 there used to be some pills called stacker 3 they where $1.75 for 3 pills, and worked better than any illegal drug to keep you up Sep 13 03:46:34 yea, it was BC powder Sep 13 03:46:52 only in pill form instead of water disolving Sep 13 03:48:03 you guys don't need pills Sep 13 03:48:15 you just need to enhance your genetic code so that you're powered by the sun Sep 13 03:48:31 http://www.cbdistributorsinc.com/dietary_&_herbal_supplements.htm Sep 13 03:48:34 I did it, and now I've seen a 110% improvement in my energy levels Sep 13 03:48:38 lol Sep 13 03:48:42 bullshit Sep 13 03:48:45 you're a programmer Sep 13 03:48:56 you live in the basement and are pasty white and have a monitor suntan Sep 13 03:49:08 you can't remember the name of the glowing orb in the sky Sep 13 03:49:11 :P Sep 13 03:49:42 i can more or less trigger an adrenalin rush on command Sep 13 03:49:49 so whenever i need to perk up fast i just do that Sep 13 03:49:52 hah Sep 13 03:49:58 that description is completely off Sep 13 03:50:08 yea but i love promoting stereotypes Sep 13 03:50:18 I'm a new age programmer Sep 13 03:50:25 that's what we're calling ourselves Sep 13 03:50:37 oh, so macbook in starbucks making everyone watch you do important stuff? Sep 13 03:50:42 haeffb: what does no window in app-info.json do? Sep 13 03:50:44 no Sep 13 03:50:48 I go to sweetwaters! Sep 13 03:50:50 or the library! Sep 13 03:50:55 not starbucks Sep 13 03:50:55 lol Sep 13 03:51:21 if I go to starbucks it's just to publicly look at inappropriate images on my computer, or watch videos at a ridiculous volume Sep 13 03:51:28 lol Sep 13 03:51:33 or video chat with 8 of my closest friends Sep 13 03:51:43 who usually sit in chairs around the starbucks Sep 13 03:51:46 monday night is my internet porn night, "heh heh heh you're my asian lois" Sep 13 03:52:41 it's also fun to walk into a starbucks and ask for a porterhouse Sep 13 03:52:51 then act really disappointed to find out they don't have it Sep 13 03:52:57 lol Sep 13 03:53:05 noWindow: true keeps the framework from automatically launching the first stage Sep 13 03:53:18 i hate walking in and asking for a black coffee, the idiot behind the counter doesn't know wtf that is Sep 13 03:55:01 haeffb: ok thanks Sep 13 03:59:10 * Anivrom cuts ares throat with a rusty switchblade Sep 13 04:00:07 wow this place has really turned violent lately Sep 13 04:00:17 I wonder if midterm elections have anything to do with it? Sep 13 04:03:07 haeffb: do I need "MainAssistant.js" in a multi-stage app? Sep 13 04:10:39 if I try and set the opacity of a div higher than 1, will it error out? or just do nothing Sep 13 04:12:15 should do nothing Sep 13 04:12:24 if the div is already 1 Sep 13 04:12:29 if it's less than 1 it might set it to one Sep 13 04:12:57 I mean style.opacity += 0.1 for longer than 10 iterations Sep 13 04:15:03 if you read opacity doesn't if feed you a string? or does it feed a number? Sep 13 04:15:14 number Sep 13 04:15:15 .. Sep 13 04:15:21 I can do numerical calcs on it Sep 13 04:15:26 I dont give it a string either Sep 13 04:15:37 so it should just go to 1 Sep 13 04:15:45 you may be able to set the numerical value higher than 1 Sep 13 04:15:52 but it look opaque Sep 13 04:17:53 ok thats fine Sep 13 04:17:55 for my purposes Sep 13 04:20:21 Hi guys. Is there any way to attach an MP3 to an MMS message? The built-in app only does photos. Sep 13 04:20:54 I've got1.4.5 Sep 13 04:21:43 CardShark: no Sep 13 04:22:47 alexfner: oops, sorry about the /msg Sep 13 04:22:58 no problem Sep 13 04:23:06 Erg... I can get and forward them, but can't send one. That bites. Sep 13 04:23:16 Another webOS oddity. %) Sep 13 04:23:21 you could request it Sep 13 04:23:24 from homebrew Sep 13 04:23:30 I can't say what the result will be Sep 13 04:23:31 * Anivrom crosses fingers and hopes his new slew of code updates works Sep 13 04:23:41 I'm just surprised that hasn't been requested already. Weird. Sep 13 04:35:33 okjfelw;afjewlka;fjwel;k Sep 13 04:35:53 check the value of this.cheerDivRef.style.opacity before and its 0.1 Sep 13 04:36:02 after this line of code this.cheerDivRef.style.opacity += 0.3; guess what it is. 0.1 Sep 13 04:38:07 hah Sep 13 04:38:09 sucks Sep 13 04:38:32 same with this.cheerDivRef.style.top Sep 13 04:38:45 210px before and after I add 1 + "px" to it Sep 13 04:38:57 Something screwey with my ref Sep 13 04:39:33 well you definitely can't do that to top Sep 13 04:39:36 cause top is a string Sep 13 04:39:41 "240px" Sep 13 04:39:50 so if you did += 1; Sep 13 04:39:54 alexfner: I have done it many times Sep 13 04:40:00 "240px1"; Sep 13 04:40:04 hokay then Sep 13 04:40:16 but it's not working now? Sep 13 04:40:19 it goes in bedmas order Sep 13 04:40:25 .top + 1 Sep 13 04:40:33 then + "px" ontop of that to convert to string Sep 13 04:40:53 this is a different scene Sep 13 04:55:16 SleeeeeeEeeEEeep Sep 13 05:08:24 gah. Over 300e for a Pre Plus Sep 13 05:09:33 I have problems to get the toochain to work for building a service in c Sep 13 06:15:20 is the following correct: --> this.controller.get('rsBut').setStyle({ display: 'block'}); Sep 13 06:33:27 L$("Good morning") Sep 13 06:37:02 monring Sep 13 08:50:36 morning Sep 13 09:27:59 warpdesign_ good morning Sep 13 09:28:27 what's up ? Sep 13 10:38:05 What causes very simple List-widget to throw exception with setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined.. Sep 13 10:38:26 The List-widget is not initialized? Sep 13 10:49:41 afternoon Sep 13 10:50:01 Hi Sep 13 10:51:08 i'm at 2000meters ASL Sep 13 10:51:20 in the swiss alps Sep 13 10:51:33 How's the oxygen? Sep 13 10:52:51 no problems Sep 13 10:54:13 connection is GPRS tho .. slooooww Sep 13 10:55:00 No Edge there? ;) Sep 13 10:56:40 nope Sep 13 13:19:29 morning all Sep 13 13:19:52 HattCzech_work Morning Sep 13 13:41:10 HattCzech_work: good morning fellow webOS Developer Sep 13 14:00:50 afternoon Sep 13 14:01:17 hey swisstomcat still up in the alps`? Sep 13 14:01:27 yeah Sep 13 14:01:37 found a better spot with 3G connection Sep 13 14:01:49 2092m ASL Sep 13 14:01:50 :) Sep 13 14:02:35 mountains as far as i can see Sep 13 14:03:21 nice.. what are you doing upthere`? Sep 13 14:03:53 vacation Sep 13 14:13:18 hmm, nice .. found an open WLAN Sep 13 14:30:48 swisstomcat: Ping Sep 13 14:30:55 pong Sep 13 14:32:09 How'd your vacation go? Sep 13 14:32:19 i'm still on vacation Sep 13 14:32:27 2092m ASL :) Sep 13 14:32:28 Nice. Sep 13 14:32:38 found an open WLAN :) Sep 13 14:32:43 age/sex/location? Sep 13 14:32:52 somehow I don't think that's what you mean. :) Sep 13 14:32:57 above sea level. Sep 13 14:32:58 hahhaha Sep 13 14:33:41 hehe Sep 13 14:35:31 Good morning all Sep 13 14:35:42 And the Robdor comes in niiiiiight! Or, the morning. Whatever. Sep 13 14:36:00 :) Sep 13 14:36:10 (I probably used this already) Sep 13 14:36:15 (oh well) Sep 13 14:36:42 Had some fun with Plasma Cannon. Sep 13 14:36:57 Robdor: Do you have a Pixi? Sep 13 14:37:15 My wife has a Pixi Sep 13 14:37:25 Can you test a PDK app on it? Sep 13 14:37:40 Sure Sep 13 14:38:57 Where shall I e-mail the .ipk? Sep 13 14:40:03 Send it to robmerrell at trackera.com, and I'll give it a try when I get home tonight. Sep 13 14:40:22 Is it your PDK tip calculator? :) Sep 13 14:46:36 Roy-Pre101: What did you think of Plasma Cannon? Any complaints? Sep 13 14:59:45 bbl Sep 13 15:21:57 morning all Sep 13 15:30:04 morning chuqui Sep 13 15:30:51 morning Sep 13 15:31:04 * halfhalo cries in the corner Sep 13 15:31:31 chuqui --> still early in cali... Sep 13 15:31:39 capistrano refuses to switch scm's... Sep 13 15:35:23 hi chuqui Sep 13 15:37:39 Note to self: When editing a Capfile edit the correct one Sep 13 15:49:45 chuqui: Good day. Sep 13 15:55:18 anyone mess with multi-stage apps? Sep 13 16:41:39 chuqui are you here? Sep 13 16:44:25 he is never here, he is always working at palm's cute puppy division Sep 13 16:49:16 hotdp: sort of... Sep 13 16:49:49 I have send you a PM Sep 13 16:50:03 But that does not work for you? Sep 13 16:50:06 hi all! Sep 13 16:50:10 okay. I haven't gotten to my PMs yet. Sep 13 16:50:21 Ok Sep 13 16:52:11 stack frames, eh? Sep 13 16:56:47 i'd really like to not work today Sep 13 16:56:49 that'd be great Sep 13 16:56:56 pandora--: you have my permission to not work. Sep 13 16:57:12 sweeeeeeeeeet Sep 13 16:57:24 actually i don't think i've done any palm coding in weeks Sep 13 16:57:27 just javame Sep 13 16:57:52 not sure what else to add into my webos yammer client (Yalm) Sep 13 16:58:13 i'm getting about .7 downloads a day on that app Sep 13 16:58:15 *sigh* Sep 13 16:58:33 market it Sep 13 16:58:33 lol Sep 13 16:58:35 just market it Sep 13 16:58:37 solution Sep 13 16:59:13 if a yammer user is on a pre, they probably bought my app Sep 13 16:59:18 i'm the only yammer app available Sep 13 17:00:05 downloads for all 3 of my apps has really dropped off recently Sep 13 17:00:20 also mine :s Sep 13 17:00:25 hrm Sep 13 17:00:32 Like last month it has gone down Sep 13 17:00:36 since* Sep 13 17:00:45 maybe we can also sue the late HP CEO for this as well... Sep 13 17:00:48 chuqui: right? Sep 13 17:00:58 the catalog is getting slammed with pdk apps that get updated daily Sep 13 17:01:09 so methinks they're much of the downloading going on right now Sep 13 17:01:18 because they're always at the top of the app catalog Sep 13 17:01:20 mebbe Sep 13 17:01:28 and that seems to be the primary way of marketing an app Sep 13 17:01:31 yeah my stuff is pretty well buried now Sep 13 17:01:40 (by getting it close to the top of the app catalog) Sep 13 17:01:59 even when i had a small update that bumped one app up the other week, it had very little effect compared to bumping it a few months ago Sep 13 17:02:36 buy my apps damnit! Sep 13 17:02:41 it pays for my weekend adventures Sep 13 17:02:45 okay okay, I will Sep 13 17:02:48 I wasn't going to Sep 13 17:02:54 but your argumentation convinced me to do it Sep 13 17:03:10 ah good. Sep 13 17:03:14 buy iHate411 Sep 13 17:03:26 universally useful Sep 13 17:03:34 unlike Yalm, which is only for people that use Yammer Sep 13 17:03:42 do you have an app that will make my bread for me? Sep 13 17:03:49 negative Sep 13 17:03:55 * halfhalo does Sep 13 17:03:57 BUT Sep 13 17:04:04 halfhalo: I'm listening... Sep 13 17:04:21 Well, its called a toaster and.... Sep 13 17:04:22 :p Sep 13 17:04:30 you're a dingus! Sep 13 17:04:34 you can't make bread in a toaster Sep 13 17:04:37 you make it in an oven! Sep 13 17:04:43 if you buy 'iBored' you can find stuff to do in your area, which may include bread making classes, or clubs where you can meet a girl that can make you bread! Sep 13 17:04:50 NOT IN THIS COUNTRY YOU DONT Sep 13 17:05:21 i'm pretty sure i would start a wicked fire if i tried to make bread in my toaster Sep 13 17:05:31 one wicked fire indeed Sep 13 17:05:33 doitdoitdoitdoit Sep 13 17:05:35 bread fire Sep 13 17:06:04 I'm slightly bored Sep 13 17:06:19 halfhalo: ibored Sep 13 17:06:22 it's made for you Sep 13 17:06:24 just go to eecs 280 Sep 13 17:06:29 it will eliminate your board Sep 13 17:06:37 board bread Sep 13 17:06:42 bored Sep 13 17:06:47 I don't want to make this style right now... I really dont Sep 13 17:07:33 you guys are hysterical. Just call the grocery store and have them deliver your bread Sep 13 17:07:59 making bread is a great exercise in love, or patience, or something...maybe Sep 13 17:08:02 my wife makes bread Sep 13 17:08:03 mmmm Sep 13 17:08:11 I make bread Sep 13 17:08:15 but I am not your wife Sep 13 17:08:17 in the toaster! Sep 13 17:08:21 logic w00t Sep 13 17:08:23 oh Sep 13 17:08:31 then sorry about the photos i sent you... Sep 13 17:08:47 pandora-- hows the weather up there? Sep 13 17:08:54 shitty! Sep 13 17:09:04 foggy and rainy today Sep 13 17:09:07 pandora--: yeah I am not interested in pictures of your new pickup truck Sep 13 17:09:20 though, i haven't seen sun at my place in a week Sep 13 17:09:41 JenP: LA overall has been nice, but i'm close to the beach. no sun for me Sep 13 17:09:47 haha Sep 13 17:09:52 Its sunny here today Sep 13 17:10:02 damn...well no drive up the coast for me then Sep 13 17:10:04 I think... Sep 13 17:10:13 JenP: hehe Sep 13 17:10:23 I havent actually looked since I got into work at 8 today Sep 13 17:10:23 well, i have to run in to the office for a bit Sep 13 17:10:27 clear skys and sunny down here Sep 13 17:10:29 back in an hour Sep 13 17:10:37 * pandora-- *zoom* Sep 13 17:13:59 I'm glad to see that the people at h/palm seem to recognize that hardware is the number 1 impetus to webOS growth right now Sep 13 17:14:15 i think they know it.. Sep 13 17:14:19 twitter.com/rahulsood Sep 13 17:14:23 they know of course! Sep 13 17:14:26 but i mean Sep 13 17:14:32 I am happy to hear someone say it Sep 13 17:14:35 it brings me joy Sep 13 17:14:37 in my life Sep 13 17:14:46 when I think of happy things, this is what I think of Sep 13 17:14:49 (sarcasm) Sep 13 17:15:56 :D Sep 13 17:17:14 wow Sep 13 17:17:20 some lady got size M breast implants Sep 13 17:17:27 i looked it up, 1200CCs Sep 13 17:17:36 same size as a superbike engine Sep 13 17:17:37 ewww Sep 13 17:17:41 lol Sep 13 17:17:54 it looks gross as shit too Sep 13 17:18:01 link Sep 13 17:18:12 she probably would have been a lot better just strapping a motorcycle engine to her chest Sep 13 17:18:17 http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/offbeat/woman-has-worlds-largest-breast-implants-removed-newscore20100909 Sep 13 17:18:34 oh yeah that chic Sep 13 17:18:43 * hotdp thinks it looks natural Sep 13 17:18:52 her goal is to have the biggest breast in the world Sep 13 17:19:06 so gross Sep 13 17:19:45 eww...all infected Sep 13 17:23:38 nerd shoes Sep 13 17:23:40 http://www.zazzle.com/keds_first_gold_beam_collision_at_rhic_shoes-167080811871090037 Sep 13 17:40:09 wirc timestamps not wircing correctly Sep 13 17:40:18 shocker Sep 13 17:55:21 what up folks Sep 13 17:58:56 hey, my pdk download doesnt seem to get updated Sep 13 17:59:00 on webos developer page Sep 13 17:59:42 in case any vzw users didn't see this: http://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/24401186058 Sep 13 18:06:15 finally =D Sep 13 18:26:45 * Anivrom|pre wonders how he can declare his vars so they get destroyed when the scene is popped Sep 13 18:28:03 anyone here work with a multi-stage app? Sep 13 18:29:07 Wirc is about as multistaged as you can get so I'd say look at his source or look at him AS the source Sep 13 18:29:22 lulz pie Sep 13 18:29:44 Meanin oil Sep 13 18:29:59 good luck with that Sep 13 18:30:06 :P Sep 13 18:30:26 I was leading him on a goose chase and you ruined it! Sep 13 18:31:05 LoneStar99: what's todays problem? Sep 13 18:31:31 haeffb_pre: lol, just been on problem after another.... Sep 13 18:31:40 Tisk tisk haeffb_pre Sep 13 18:31:42 on / one Sep 13 18:32:29 haeffb: "this.controller.get('rsBut').setStyle({display: 'none'});" do not seem to work Sep 13 18:33:47 this.controller.get('rsBut').hide() ? Sep 13 18:34:17 think the problem is: "this.controller.get", Sep 13 18:35:28 LoneStar99: {"display":"none"} I believe Sep 13 18:36:00 According to sugardave Sep 13 18:36:07 * Anivrom|pre hides Sep 13 18:36:25 Anivrom|pre: they work in single scene app, but when I change app to multi-stage, everything gets 'f-cked' Sep 13 18:36:44 took hours, to isolate the problem... Sep 13 18:37:06 then "Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get" does not work either Sep 13 18:37:14 .hide() and .show() work Sep 13 18:37:54 LoneStar99: are you doing thosw in a scene assistant? Sep 13 18:38:12 nope, in "first-assistant.js" Sep 13 18:38:54 that's not a scene assistant? Sep 13 18:40:41 Mojo.Controller.stageController.xxxx should never have worked Sep 13 18:41:32 haeffb: nope, it is just a scene Sep 13 18:43:03 has anyone figured out code completion in vim yet? Sep 13 18:43:22 this.controller.get('rsBut') doesn't work? Sep 13 18:43:51 summatusmentis: yea but you will need 2 things for it to work Sep 13 18:44:18 haeffb_pre: nope, freaking weird, but if i change code in app-assistant.js to scene-assistant code works perfectly Sep 13 18:44:39 Anivrom|pre: oh? Sep 13 18:45:47 what's wrong iwth this.controller.get("") ? Sep 13 18:45:48 this has been the biggest waste of time... all in the name of "upcoming features"... Sep 13 18:46:16 summatusmentis: first you'll need to know the code you want to complete, second is a little trickier but doable. You'll need 8 fingers and 2 thumbs Sep 13 18:46:33 Anivrom|pre: smartass :) Sep 13 18:46:42 <3 Sep 13 18:47:12 hi Sep 13 18:47:20 so there's nothing like ctags for the sdk? Sep 13 18:47:24 Leiru! Hey buddy Sep 13 18:47:32 :) Sep 13 18:47:36 back from work. Sep 13 18:48:06 Leiru: did you get the gorilla I sent in the mail? Shoulda arrived 2 hours ago Sep 13 18:48:14 ? Sep 13 18:48:21 Lol Sep 13 18:48:47 are you drunken? Sep 13 18:49:05 i wish Sep 13 18:49:06 No, I'm worken. Even worse Sep 13 18:49:25 LoneStar99: you mean stage assistant? Sep 13 18:50:17 haeffb_pre: i can email you all the source code, cuss really have not clue what is going wrong... it makes no sense Sep 13 18:50:32 LoneStar99, in your developer screen, is your pdk #s getting updated? Sep 13 18:50:36 mine isn't getting updated =| Sep 13 18:50:53 the dl numbers? Sep 13 18:50:59 they are broken Sep 13 18:51:31 I'm not sure the whole contest was a good idea at all Sep 13 18:52:02 LoneStar99: you can do that but I prob can't look for a day or two. calendar kinda full Sep 13 18:52:14 Nyceane: yeah it is gettting updated... Sep 13 18:52:19 haeffb_pre: ok Sep 13 18:52:35 MetaView: good idea, but poor implementation Sep 13 18:53:18 (sorry chuqui) Sep 13 18:53:21 I guess it creates a lot of free half-baked apps which will be eventually pulled some time after the contest finishs Sep 13 18:53:31 Well, not mine :) Sep 13 18:54:21 so rahulsod seems to imply not to expect new hardware anytime soon :( Sep 13 18:54:26 taking my truck to mechanic, brb in 1 hour Sep 13 18:54:36 that is disappointing Sep 13 18:54:51 damn, i think palm really needs to update to new hardware Sep 13 18:55:09 Yea... Don't know why they are slackin. Sep 13 18:55:10 android rolls out a new phone every week Sep 13 18:55:59 surely Palm had something in the works prior to HP Sep 13 18:56:11 yeah Sep 13 18:56:48 did HP deide to scrap it and focus on something newer/better? Sep 13 18:56:53 Me wants one naoooooo Sep 13 18:57:38 my 1.5 year old Pre is getting kinda creaky Sep 13 18:57:55 haeffb_pre: lol Sep 13 18:58:13 time to get stranded laters Sep 13 18:58:18 plastic over screen is cracked Sep 13 18:58:27 usb port crack Sep 13 18:59:21 Mine is only like 4 months old and its got scrapes and scratches all over the body Sep 13 18:59:38 Although screen is mint due to my screen protectors Sep 13 19:01:14 Time to play some cat chase oh yeah Sep 13 19:13:23 woo Sep 13 19:13:26 * pandora-- back Sep 13 19:13:44 lies Sep 13 19:13:51 haeffb: it's pretty easy to get Pre replacements Sep 13 19:13:55 haeffb: I'm on my 3rd. Sep 13 19:13:57 :( Sep 13 19:19:24 haeffb: I'm on my 3rd. Sep 13 19:19:32 lol Sep 13 19:19:36 stop quitting Sep 13 19:19:51 hey all Sep 13 19:21:18 bhodder: yo Sep 13 19:23:08 hey pandora-- Sep 13 19:23:48 how is it going? Sep 13 19:25:36 pandora--: do you pay for insurance? Sep 13 19:25:49 er.. what? Sep 13 19:25:58 what kind of insurance are we talking about? Sep 13 19:26:03 pandora--> haeffb: it's pretty easy to get Pre replacements Sep 13 19:26:06 for your phone, sorry Sep 13 19:26:09 out of context Sep 13 19:26:13 oh Sep 13 19:26:15 no, i don't Sep 13 19:26:20 it was all under warranty Sep 13 19:26:23 ah Sep 13 19:26:33 i've had a lot of messed up pres Sep 13 19:26:44 I've held out on getting a pre, but I'm considering buying a used one until new WebOS hardware comes out Sep 13 19:26:52 I supppose used ones aren't under warranty Sep 13 19:28:17 manufacturer warranty should stay with it Sep 13 19:29:00 pandora: what's the secret? sprint always calls mine "physical damage" not coveeed by warranty Sep 13 19:30:28 Wow pretty chince. Sep 13 19:30:56 hey Anivrom|pre Sep 13 19:31:08 I can't stand it when companies don't stand by their warranties Sep 13 19:31:24 bhodder: hello my canadian friend eh Sep 13 19:32:29 September is almost half over...where is the C40? Sep 13 19:32:31 Question: if an app is closed webos kills all the resources that app was taking up right? Sep 13 19:32:31 Or isit possible to have some of your vars left in memory Sep 13 19:32:34 anything new with you Sep 13 19:32:58 sugardave, what is the C40? Sep 13 19:33:10 Sugardave: we all have one you didn't get the memo that was sent to "the list"? Sep 13 19:33:26 bhodder: the "next webOS device" on Sprint...if you believe the rumor mill Sep 13 19:34:14 ohhhhh ok Sep 13 19:35:14 They are waiting for us to buy other cell phones so that by the timethey do ome out with a new device we will all be too broke to buy it Sep 13 19:35:26 does webOS have an OBDII interface app yet? Sep 13 19:35:42 what's that? Sep 13 19:35:43 Its a secret ploy to bankrupt their own company so shhhh Sep 13 19:36:01 sugardave: not coming soon http://www.precentral.net/hps-rahul-sood-hot-hardware-will-bring-developers Sep 13 19:37:12 summatusmentis: suck...Sprint's had that spot in their inventory system a long time Sep 13 19:37:52 sugardave: I suppose it's possible Palm is still coming out with something and Sood is talking about _HP_ hardware Sep 13 19:38:17 Palm may be finishing up their planned roadmap, I suppose Sep 13 19:39:18 pandora--: pandora: what's the secret? sprint always calls mine "physical damage" not coveeed by warranty Sep 13 19:40:17 Anyways so can anyone answer my question about possible memory leaks in an app Sep 13 19:40:57 Question: if an app is closed webos kills all the resources that app was taking up right? Sep 13 19:40:59 sugardave, its the cars onboard diagnostics Sep 13 19:41:33 bhodder: didn think that connect via usb lol Sep 13 19:42:17 lol not really but you can get divices that send the signal over wifi Sep 13 19:42:38 Oh nice Sep 13 19:42:42 right now I am trying to get the raw data to be able to do it another way Sep 13 19:43:05 bhodder: can't remember if it was you or someone else working on a very similar thing some months ago Sep 13 19:43:05 Anivrom|pre: I'm not sure about Mojo, buy you can leak memory like a mad man with the PDK. Sep 13 19:43:07 Looks like we found you a project for the next 6 ;"?3$- Sep 13 19:43:14 Months* Sep 13 19:43:21 just thought if there was an app Id try it out Sep 13 19:43:47 Yea I'm talking Mojo. I wanna know if webos automagically handles memory deallocation when apps are closed Sep 13 19:43:52 summatusmentis: yes, I hope it's a Palm phone and we can limp along with it until the Hurricane hits Sep 13 19:44:06 ya Im up for it if I get this other portion done too Sep 13 19:44:20 sugardave, ohh there was someone working on it then? Sep 13 19:44:41 bhodder: yeah, but I can't remember who...a German guy I think Sep 13 19:44:53 Ohh ok Sep 13 19:45:52 Bhodder: if he's indeed german just quit now. They are bio-engineered to engineer things to the maximum degree Sep 13 19:46:26 lol Anivrom|pre that is true Sep 13 19:46:32 Case and point: shamwow Sep 13 19:47:01 "Its made in germany, you know grmans akways make good stuff" LOL Sep 13 19:47:20 lol Sep 13 19:47:37 but they cannot make pretty chicks... :S Sep 13 19:47:48 Haha. Sep 13 19:48:06 haha Sep 13 19:48:15 good call Sep 13 19:48:17 Idk some german women are good looking. I am almost 90% biassed towards asians though Sep 13 19:48:36 1% of german women are good looking Sep 13 19:48:36 :S Sep 13 19:49:01 I wouldn't know the ratio but I've seen some good looking german chicks Sep 13 19:49:11 they're dutch Sep 13 19:49:12 not german Sep 13 19:49:25 Anivrom|pre: in porn probably :P Sep 13 19:49:26 Heh. Sep 13 19:49:29 Wolvenhaven: yeah yeah yeah Sep 13 19:49:55 en0x: well even if I was in porn it would still make my point Sep 13 19:50:01 ;p Sep 13 19:50:02 It* Sep 13 19:50:05 Convenient typo Sep 13 19:50:09 Lol! Sep 13 19:52:11 Ok so figure this one out. If I set the src of one of mt divs with an img tag to a path, it loads fine. But if I preallocate an image to a new Image() type then set the img to that var, it doesn't work Sep 13 19:52:36 * oil does that and it works fine in preware Sep 13 19:52:43 haha Sep 13 19:53:00 Well it don't work for me. Sep 13 19:53:03 translation: "You're doing it wrong." Sep 13 19:53:33 Never Sep 13 19:53:49 feel free to peep the preware source :) Sep 13 19:54:23 app/models/package.js Sep 13 19:54:31 icon* functions Sep 13 19:54:38 * Anivrom|pre despises beyond all hukan reasoning, digging through source code Sep 13 19:54:47 Human too Sep 13 19:54:50 starts on line 659 Sep 13 19:54:55 Ok Sep 13 19:55:05 Lemme check from internals Sep 13 19:56:03 Oil: what's the app I'd? Sep 13 19:56:10 Id* Sep 13 19:56:25 I have over 150 apps installed Sep 13 19:56:37 for... preware? Sep 13 19:57:07 can't figure it out? lol Sep 13 19:57:08 Yes Sep 13 19:57:13 org.webosinternals.preware Sep 13 19:57:30 I need the com."this".preware Sep 13 19:57:35 Oh org Sep 13 19:57:39 Was assuming com Sep 13 19:57:44 ls *preware* Sep 13 19:57:52 com, lol Sep 13 19:57:55 Since I didn't know it was preware.org Sep 13 19:58:22 * halfhalo shudders at preware.org Sep 13 19:59:01 Ok yet the appID is org.p Sep 13 20:00:17 no, its org.webosinternals.preware Sep 13 20:00:23 And I have about 40 org.webosinternals folders and it doesn't scroll far enough for me to see the app names so I'm not gonna bother Sep 13 20:01:07 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/models/package.js;h=bd0cacd0aa7777be9c61a87fb820a7d547352ee7;hb=HEAD#l659 Sep 13 20:01:37 .gc Sep 13 20:01:39 Oops Sep 13 20:01:40 i call iconFill(this.controller.get('element-to-put-icon-in-as-bgimage')); Sep 13 20:02:25 and those 3 functions handle the rest Sep 13 20:02:45 Bloody tmc with only wIRC open! Sep 13 20:02:57 * Anivrom|pre blames oil Sep 13 20:02:58 what other crap you got taking all your memory? Sep 13 20:02:59 hahahaha Sep 13 20:03:04 * oil blames background apps Sep 13 20:03:13 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 13 20:03:17 * Anivrom|pre doesn't hae any Sep 13 20:03:24 * MetaView blames metaview Sep 13 20:03:28 * Anivrom|pre continues blaming oil Sep 13 20:03:42 * oil stops trying to help people in #webos Sep 13 20:03:52 * halfhalo thinks thats a good idea Sep 13 20:05:32 * oil crys to himself on his way back to work Sep 13 20:06:23 ;( Sep 13 20:07:27 Well well. I just realized why I was bashing my head against my desk trying to get onload working. Didn't know how to .bind(this) and never though of it afterwards Sep 13 20:07:52 * Anivrom|pre wonders why oil never answered him when he asked how to do it. Sep 13 20:08:07 * Anivrom|pre blames oil for his bloody forehead Sep 13 20:08:18 ;( Sep 13 20:08:22 lol Sep 13 20:08:39 * oil blames Anivrom|pre in his suicide note Sep 13 20:08:39 <3 oil Sep 13 20:08:50 LOL Sep 13 20:09:25 lol Sep 13 20:10:14 * Anivrom|pre sues oil for unlawfully using his name in a suicide note without expressed written consent Sep 13 20:12:55 * Anivrom|pre programmed a visual progress feedback system from his phone today Sep 13 20:12:58 good afternoon all Sep 13 20:13:00 \o/ Sep 13 20:13:34 Codeslaw: hows paintr pro coming along Sep 13 20:14:02 designing the interface currently Sep 13 20:14:11 Nice Sep 13 20:14:23 mostly done, but i am adding quite a few controls, and i REALLY want to keep it minimal ala paintr lite Sep 13 20:14:47 Boo Sep 13 20:14:55 Features are where its at Sep 13 20:15:08 minimal as in, the UI is clutter free Sep 13 20:15:13 not as in lacking features =D Sep 13 20:15:27 But with lits of features right? Sep 13 20:15:31 mmhmm Sep 13 20:16:15 You're gonna have like 6000 submenus all steming from 6 neat and tidy icons on the main scene right? Sep 13 20:16:22 exactly Sep 13 20:16:36 Noice! Sep 13 20:17:09 totally bra Sep 13 20:17:42 Better have a healing brush, for those moments when someone wants a picture NOW but you don't have time to take it home to photoshop and get rid of the zits and sweat stains Sep 13 20:18:04 all of these awesome things are possible with image data Sep 13 20:18:14 but... feasible on our little phones.. not sure yet Sep 13 20:18:26 And of course liquify for when you want to make your figure slimmer Sep 13 20:18:33 that's a MUST Sep 13 20:19:08 how can i update my myspace profile without knocking some inches off my waistline in that picture of me at the 24 hour deli eating a 4lb pastrami sandwich Sep 13 20:19:17 And of course full blown image forging where it automatically downloads an appropriate gender model from google images and submits that as "YOU" Sep 13 20:19:42 * codeslaw takes notes. Sep 13 20:20:11 Then sell your app to lavalife so they can rebrand it and package it to their customers Sep 13 20:20:34 nice Sep 13 20:20:43 wait... weren't you gonna do an image editor? Sep 13 20:20:47 Lavalife/eharmony/"dating site of choice" Sep 13 20:21:01 are you sure you want me to take these sweet ideas from you? Sep 13 20:21:16 Yea but I decided it would be a huge waste of "your" time Sep 13 20:21:21 hahaha Sep 13 20:21:43 You see if I made one no one would download Your app and so you would have wasted your time Sep 13 20:21:56 in that case Sep 13 20:22:05 thank you for not making an painting/music writing apps as well Sep 13 20:22:25 :) I'm taking one for team codeslaw Sep 13 20:22:33 word Sep 13 20:22:53 let me know when you are launching something, so i can put out an inferior product at the same time, and build hype for you =D Sep 13 20:24:06 Well, the game I've been working on for 2 months is a few weeks from being done so that woukd be your opportunity to take one for team anivrom Sep 13 20:26:25 what kind of game is it Sep 13 20:26:28 i need ALL the details Sep 13 20:26:37 including pseudo code of critical algorithms Sep 13 20:26:48 as well as graphics (all of them) Sep 13 20:26:53 LOL Sep 13 20:26:55 and an app description Sep 13 20:27:05 also, i need to borrow your marketting budget Sep 13 20:27:15 Hah Sep 13 20:27:33 Sure I'l transfer the 0 dollars right now. Paypal or direct? Sep 13 20:28:14 If oil hadn't made wirc used 1gb of ram maybe I could open a pm chat with you :) Sep 13 20:28:17 <_azdak> hey yall Sep 13 20:28:20 Use* Sep 13 20:29:12 damn 1g is pretty high Sep 13 20:29:14 sup az Sep 13 20:29:42 Seriously, I only have wirc open and I even .gc'd and it still won't open pm card up Sep 13 20:30:56 Just to make sure, everyone knows you can minimize all cards and type .gc into the universal search and it will force garbage collection right? That's a free protip that culd save your life one dat Sep 13 20:31:25 Say you're running from a killer and the phone app won't open up cause of tmc... BAM .gc Sep 13 20:32:28 Say you're skydiving and your parachute won't open and your broswer app won't open up to check troubleshooting a stuck parachute....BAM .gc Sep 13 20:32:34 I could go on Sep 13 20:32:35 And on Sep 13 20:32:41 But I digress Sep 13 20:32:49 yes, yes you do Sep 13 20:33:15 however... at risk of sounding gullible and therefore foolish, i have typed .gc into universal search and nothing has occurred Sep 13 20:33:36 to use the parlance of our times, am i "Doing It Wrong"? Sep 13 20:33:51 codeslaw: I'll send over a beta tonight if you wish although I'm almost certain you will not find the incept appealing Sep 13 20:34:09 incept? Sep 13 20:34:18 codeslaw: it might be a homebrew patch. Something to do with keytoss extra commands Sep 13 20:34:23 word Sep 13 20:34:25 Concept Sep 13 20:34:35 I can't rmember Sep 13 20:34:47 Been so long I thought it wsd stock Sep 13 20:34:59 But seriously its awesome Sep 13 20:35:06 well i'll beta test no prob Sep 13 20:35:16 Sometimes I don't even need to luna restart. Just .gc Sep 13 20:35:38 <_azdak> Anivrom, I know you've already heard this, but... Sep 13 20:35:42 .yt stuff to search on youtube Sep 13 20:36:05 <_azdak> has anybody around gotten a dashboard to launch on card close? Sep 13 20:36:14 Yes Sep 13 20:36:15 hey all, is there a person willing to advise a TOTAL n00b on getting started? I don't have any complex questions - yet ;) Sep 13 20:36:15 <_azdak> having some issues Sep 13 20:36:17 Wair Sep 13 20:36:26 Yes Sep 13 20:36:29 <_azdak> iainfarrell_ shoot Sep 13 20:36:37 iainfarrell: what would one such noob be needing? Sep 13 20:36:44 I think I sent you soe sort of link the other dat Sep 13 20:36:52 _azdak: Am starting out and playing with all the samples Sep 13 20:37:02 using a phone which is from work borrowed Sep 13 20:37:05 so Sep 13 20:37:10 should I save up and get a plus Sep 13 20:37:18 Yay I love teaching noobs stuff. Makes me feel like I know stuff Sep 13 20:37:19 or just buy my own standard phone? Sep 13 20:37:26 heh Anivrom|pre Sep 13 20:37:28 <_azdak> anivrom- yeah, thanks for that. wasn't directly applicable, but still useful Sep 13 20:37:32 happy to help Sep 13 20:38:00 iainfarrell: you will need a device, but deving for pre vs pre plus constitutes no real difference from a developer perspective Sep 13 20:38:15 Yea. Sep 13 20:38:23 so, just find a device on ebay that works with your carrier (if you want to use it as a phone), otherwise, get ANY device, and unlock it Sep 13 20:38:33 extra RAM not helpful then? codeslaw Sep 13 20:38:39 happy not to spend an extra £200 Sep 13 20:38:47 assuming I can find a plus anywhere Sep 13 20:38:50 :_) Sep 13 20:38:56 Extra ram is very helpful Sep 13 20:38:59 haeffb_pre: my secret? Sep 13 20:39:05 If you're a use and not a dev :P Sep 13 20:39:14 well, you certainly don't want to write an app that utilizes that ram, so no, not helpful for developing aside from being able to run more apps at once Sep 13 20:39:16 Secret to getting replacements pandora-- Sep 13 20:39:17 <_azdak> thing is, if you're doing apps to sell, you're gonna want to hit the non plus-people as well Sep 13 20:39:17 haeffb_pre: had a problem with the proximity censor that rebooted the phone Sep 13 20:39:54 haeffb_pre: and another problem with signal (which honestly is just sprint sucking at service) Sep 13 20:40:20 codeslaw: cool, thanks Sep 13 20:40:29 no prob Sep 13 20:40:29 just got my dev environment set up Sep 13 20:40:38 all the Eclipse plugins set up Sep 13 20:40:44 Ah Sep 13 20:40:46 that hello world app is amazing! ;P Sep 13 20:40:56 Though you were gonna be an ares chum :P Sep 13 20:41:05 nnaaahhhhh not this guy!! Sep 13 20:41:15 he's no ares chum.. he's a real stand-up fella Sep 13 20:41:22 not that... all ares guys are chums... Sep 13 20:41:27 or uh Sep 13 20:41:32 oh hi Sep 13 20:41:39 Ares guys are really swell guys Sep 13 20:42:22 * Anivrom|pre desperately defends his IDE stance Sep 13 20:43:31 chumchum Sep 13 20:43:45 :'( Sep 13 20:43:58 * Anivrom|pre looks around for sympathizers Sep 13 20:44:04 * Anivrom|pre looks left Sep 13 20:44:07 do people use ares? Sep 13 20:44:09 * Anivrom|pre looks right Sep 13 20:44:33 I use ares exclusively and it's worked out great so far Sep 13 20:44:49 i used it for maybe 3 minutes Sep 13 20:44:52 Less hassle Sep 13 20:44:54 <_azdak> hey codeslaw- have you messed with app assistants/dashboards much? Sep 13 20:45:13 dashboards, no =( only notifications Sep 13 20:45:17 It feels more like windows .net and visual studio suites Sep 13 20:45:24 <_azdak> :( blah Sep 13 20:45:47 Does Ares save your work so you can move from one location to another and pick up where you left off? Sep 13 20:45:55 Yes Sep 13 20:46:23 Its all hosted on palms servers Sep 13 20:47:00 I have went to my dads house and logged on from his vanilla computer without downloading anything and showed him my code Sep 13 20:47:26 You just can't launch on device without the sdk Sep 13 20:47:27 Or emulator... Sep 13 20:47:27 Bbl. Sep 13 20:48:47 He then stole the code, renamed it from mad winged species to angry birds and made millions! Sep 13 20:49:01 email from palm... Sep 13 20:50:12 Must be a "list" thing cause I never got one Sep 13 20:50:28 nope ,they offer test devices Sep 13 20:50:43 and ask me to join the 1Mio $ contest Sep 13 20:50:50 i got a test device from them just last week Sep 13 20:50:56 sprint pre Sep 13 20:51:07 I need a pixi Sep 13 20:51:12 me too =P Sep 13 20:51:21 well, they should go and fix the download numbers Sep 13 20:52:06 btw, did you all tested Mandel and created soem nice pictures? Sep 13 20:53:30 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.metaviewsoft.mandelbrot Sep 13 20:54:11 codeslaw, how did you get a test device? Sep 13 20:54:32 i emailed the lady at palm and told her i was putting apps into the contest Sep 13 20:54:39 Metaview: I downloaded it haven't used it yet Sep 13 20:54:49 MetaView: i did test mandel and the color shifting is badass Sep 13 20:55:17 lol Sep 13 20:56:33 Adora is looking for one webos dev who wants to move to Florida... Sep 13 20:58:28 Florida? Sep 13 20:58:46 yes, that's what she wrote on Twitter Sep 13 20:59:55 yay. new wifi printer up and running. Sep 13 21:00:04 seems far away from Palm/HP Sep 13 21:00:09 Now I can print my irc logs! Sep 13 21:00:24 I'll move to florida Sep 13 21:00:37 wait, does she want anythine else? Sep 13 21:00:42 anything? Sep 13 21:00:44 haeffb: print the IRC logs, make notes and then come back and write some answers :) Sep 13 21:01:03 Samsung ML2525W for the win! Sep 13 21:01:06 haeffb: no, just you move... Sep 13 21:01:12 oh, wait Sep 13 21:01:14 $90 for mono laser printer Sep 13 21:01:15 * dohtem wants one of those USB routers so his router can be networked too. Sep 13 21:01:23 whe wrote about a webos-dev, that aren't you, or? Sep 13 21:01:24 printer* Sep 13 21:02:01 dohtem: almost cheaper to buy the freakin' printer. Sep 13 21:02:18 _a Sep 13 21:02:24 already have the printer. Windows 7 printer sharing is too iffy. Sep 13 21:02:27 _azdak: what issues are you having Sep 13 21:02:33 wonder what the hell is in florida Sep 13 21:02:43 the 2525W has wifi built in. Sep 13 21:02:47 no printer sharing. Sep 13 21:02:57 nice Sep 13 21:03:07 <_azdak> haeffb- using an app assistant to launch a dashboard Sep 13 21:03:19 <_azdak> but can't get it to launch on card close Sep 13 21:03:28 I bought a samsung laser about 10 years ago. I figure I'm saving about $5000 per year in in cartridges Sep 13 21:03:29 I just emailed them for webos 2.0 Sep 13 21:03:40 <_azdak> if I make the call to the app assistant in .cleanup, it throws up a full card Sep 13 21:03:54 does it have to be simultaneous? Sep 13 21:03:59 Nyceane: nda Sep 13 21:04:26 dohtem, i said that in the email, if there are any NDA I need to sign I'd be more than happy to sign them Sep 13 21:04:33 or can you relaunch the app with dashboard? Sep 13 21:04:56 <_azdak> that's a thought Sep 13 21:05:24 are you listening for stageDeactivate event? Sep 13 21:05:25 <_azdak> though it seeemed like people were having issues with launching directly to dashboard Sep 13 21:05:46 no, I launch directly to dashboard all the time Sep 13 21:05:47 <_azdak> yeah, but that calls every time the card's not in focus Sep 13 21:06:06 <_azdak> oh ok- haven't tried it Sep 13 21:06:14 dohtem, whats next step? they'll email me a NDA? Sep 13 21:06:41 _azdak: you can look at Done! code on github Sep 13 21:06:59 it launces dashboards for task notifications Sep 13 21:07:15 i think the dashboard stuff could be a lot simpler Sep 13 21:07:25 anybody else in webos 2.0 yet? =| Sep 13 21:07:36 not allowed to say Sep 13 21:07:47 Nyceane: My understanding is those who are can't say because of the NDA Sep 13 21:07:50 NDA doesn't allow people involved to talk about it Sep 13 21:07:54 oh... Sep 13 21:08:08 ok =| I am just wondering what's the next step, since I just emailed them Sep 13 21:08:14 you wait :) Sep 13 21:08:16 <_azdak> haeffb- thanks, I'll check it out Sep 13 21:08:18 lol =) Sep 13 21:08:24 * haeffb going to cut grass...bbl Sep 13 21:08:24 I can say that I have emailed them as well Sep 13 21:08:35 I cannot say if I've gotten any further :) Sep 13 21:08:42 Lol Sep 13 21:08:45 lol Sep 13 21:08:47 =) Sep 13 21:08:50 Its all very hush hush Sep 13 21:08:56 On the DL Sep 13 21:09:10 I duno if I am going to get accepted =( Sep 13 21:09:13 yeah, but /if/ you were in the program, you would probably recognize names posting on the forums Sep 13 21:09:28 lots of people use the same names in IRC as on the boards Sep 13 21:09:41 and i would presume, that would be the same for the private forums Sep 13 21:09:50 Except all those precentral leaks Sep 13 21:10:11 if I was part of the program, you would see me posting on the forums as my developer account name: ncavesoft Sep 13 21:10:33 if there were private forums. Sep 13 21:10:43 which, we obviously don't know. Sep 13 21:10:46 * Anivrom|pre has never cared much for forums Sep 13 21:10:47 that much is public knowledge, provided by Palm Sep 13 21:11:00 well, we know but can't say? Sep 13 21:11:07 there is a private forum, we just can't talk about anyone that's in it Sep 13 21:11:08 :) Sep 13 21:11:20 life is complicated Sep 13 21:11:24 yeah Sep 13 21:11:31 and on that.. i'm gonna make some coffee Sep 13 21:11:37 "We can neither confirm nor deny our ability to confirm nor deny" Sep 13 21:12:10 lol Sep 13 21:12:59 * dohtem is anxiously waiting for this vzw 1.4.5 update Sep 13 21:13:57 * MetaView is waiting for reapearing of download numbers Sep 13 21:14:00 haha Sep 13 21:14:03 Oh snap! Sep 13 21:14:03 Gz vzw customers. Sep 13 21:14:03 Welcome to the times Sep 13 21:15:03 srsly Sep 13 21:15:15 Let the pdk games begin! Sep 13 21:15:15 Recommendation 1. Download and install l angry birds. 2. Play angry birds 3. Play angry birds etc etc Sep 13 21:15:29 i second that recommendation Sep 13 21:16:04 And when you're done playing... You guessed it play again, except getting all 3 stars! Sep 13 21:16:37 Congratulations: you have just wasted half your life getting 3 stars in every angry birds level Sep 13 21:17:24 sigh chuqui isn't here =9 Sep 13 21:18:18 my Twitter app is missing tweets Sep 13 21:18:28 He's playing angry birds :D Sep 13 21:19:26 i wana find out if my application for WebOS 2.0 got rejected =| Sep 13 21:19:28 lol Sep 13 21:19:43 Nyceane: I don't think they get rejected. You apply, then you wait. Sep 13 21:19:55 it's a simple 2-step process Sep 13 21:20:27 so anxious =( I need that scheduling part really bad =| Sep 13 21:20:45 because I am currently actually trying to develop my own schedule lol... Sep 13 21:21:00 if you had it, would your users? Sep 13 21:21:01 nope Sep 13 21:21:11 true =( Sep 13 21:21:23 on Android I am able to just call the schedule intent and push it in Sep 13 21:25:00 Pixi will come... all the long way to Germany Sep 13 21:37:06 does angry birds work on the pixi ? Sep 13 21:37:22 i should have never got this phone :/ if i had only known the pre is the 'real' webos phone Sep 13 21:38:49 but the pixi isn't that bad, or? Sep 13 21:39:50 just none of the cool apps support it Sep 13 21:39:56 techrush: I'm pretty sure we were all denigrating the Pixi before it came out as a "girlie phone" Sep 13 21:39:58 or its half asses "support" Sep 13 21:40:22 but I hear good things about it now Sep 13 21:40:26 people really like the keyboard Sep 13 21:40:42 i've used one Sep 13 21:40:44 the form factor is nice and yea so is the KB Sep 13 21:40:48 keyboard is so much better than pre Sep 13 21:41:56 if the screen resolution was the same as the pre it might be better supported i suspect Sep 13 21:42:13 most of my issues are with apps being kind of hard coded to a certain expected resolution Sep 13 21:42:24 if the SDL bug wasn't there Sep 13 21:42:52 none of my apps are hardcoded to a resolution but none of my PDK apps will run on a Pixi Sep 13 21:43:05 but now I get my Pixi from Palm... Sep 13 21:43:08 * MetaView dances Sep 13 21:43:50 palm kind of made the wrong choice for the market with the pixi though Sep 13 21:44:07 MetaView: are you doing that weird German "dancing?" Sep 13 21:44:09 for some reason people are screaming for "big phones" while the pixi plays to the market of people wanting a small phone Sep 13 21:44:18 German dancing? Sep 13 21:44:49 I'm imagining 80s music videos and choppy robot moves Sep 13 21:45:09 Kraftwerk? Sep 13 21:45:17 something like that :D Sep 13 21:45:33 I would rather try to jump around and call it dancing Sep 13 21:45:38 haha Sep 13 21:46:03 but with almost 40 years, I can only do it for around 3 minutes, then I'm exhausted Sep 13 21:50:16 when I try 3D stuff in PDK it crashes on my Windows sytem Sep 13 21:50:19 +s Sep 13 22:07:10 wtf.. i beat level 1-5 using only 1 bird and i only get 2 stars?? Sep 13 22:09:19 what bird?! Sep 13 22:09:23 what stars? Sep 13 22:09:24 red Sep 13 22:09:26 2 Sep 13 22:09:31 what game?! Sep 13 22:09:34 angry birds Sep 13 22:09:39 ?! Sep 13 22:09:43 xD Sep 13 22:09:48 link me? :D Sep 13 22:10:15 its the first featured app in the app catalog Sep 13 22:10:21 i dont has a link Sep 13 22:27:52 Anyone get 1.4.5 on the Verizon Pre Plus yet? Sep 13 22:39:38 ok I have a couple of questions that probably are rather stupid.. Sep 13 22:39:55 hey, can you send launch arguments via palm-launch? Sep 13 22:40:00 * funkatron is lazy Sep 13 22:41:44 Do headers, images, and c files all get put into the source section of buildit_for_device? Sep 13 22:44:15 TMo_: no Sep 13 22:44:18 just source code Sep 13 22:44:42 That's what I thought.. Sep 13 22:52:15 So who is getting halo tonigh :-p Sep 13 22:53:50 funkatron: I believe so, but I can't tell you how. Sep 13 22:54:20 has palm annunced anything about hardware-accelerated CSS transformations? Sep 13 22:54:40 PreCentral mentioned it "coming" in their first post about 2.0 Sep 13 22:54:55 well, hw-accelerated CSS Sep 13 22:55:02 I assume transformations are part of that Sep 13 22:55:05 right Sep 13 22:55:09 I would assume too Sep 13 22:56:17 it certainly will help a lot Sep 13 23:35:00 can someone email me at diegoATfreagair.com, not receiving any emails from that account Sep 13 23:36:45 LoneStar99: it has no MX Sep 13 23:36:52 maybe that's why? Sep 13 23:37:21 in fact all of its dns seems broken Sep 13 23:37:54 cxreg: really, maybe the domain is expired? Sep 13 23:38:00 doesnt look like it Sep 13 23:38:09 Expires on..............: 27-FEB-2011 Sep 13 23:38:38 yeah, very weird, email is with google Sep 13 23:38:49 google business account Sep 13 23:39:04 * cxreg blames NS.EZ-WEB-HOSTING.COM Sep 13 23:40:13 really, oh maybe so Sep 13 23:40:14 anything with EZ in its name is crap Sep 13 23:40:48 * halfhalo bbl clash tiem nao Sep 13 23:43:11 ok thanks, gonna change MX records Sep 13 23:43:24 can someone help me out with a cookie problem? Sep 13 23:44:45 ? Sep 13 23:47:39 no one? Sep 13 23:47:54 It's all full oh lies Sep 13 23:48:02 And pies Sep 13 23:48:06 alexfner: your game has some pretty scary warnings when you submit invalid scores Sep 13 23:48:08 :) Sep 13 23:48:21 yeah, it's meant to discourage that :) Sep 13 23:48:27 did you get put on the ban list? :D Sep 13 23:48:38 Invalid scores? Sep 13 23:48:52 for exampl 2^32 Sep 13 23:48:59 I figured out how to extract programs from the device, change the code, and re-install them Sep 13 23:48:59 * halfhalo is lost Sep 13 23:49:14 I multiplied the number of dots per level by 10 Sep 13 23:49:18 hah Sep 13 23:49:20 :D Sep 13 23:49:23 and you noticed how slow it was? Sep 13 23:49:27 yep Sep 13 23:49:34 but super fast in the emulator on my I7 laptop Sep 13 23:49:39 yeah, that's why it tops out at 60 Sep 13 23:49:41 yeah hah Sep 13 23:49:50 I got a lot of requests for more, and I was just like, no! Sep 13 23:49:53 is it the canvas or the math computations slowing it down Sep 13 23:50:03 it's just the canvas limitation Sep 13 23:50:10 well Sep 13 23:50:13 it is partially the math Sep 13 23:50:20 but I have gotten rid of all unnecessary math Sep 13 23:50:21 Canvas! Ohes noes Sep 13 23:50:38 for example, I used to do sqrt() a few dozen times before every frame Sep 13 23:51:05 I thought webos has hardware accelled canvas Sep 13 23:51:12 does anyone here have experience with cookies as preferences? Sep 13 23:51:15 :) Sep 13 23:51:37 Whaddabout cookies Sep 13 23:51:46 MBarvian: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie Sep 13 23:51:50 MBarvian: yeah, what's up? Sep 13 23:51:52 i'm having a little problem Sep 13 23:51:56 * oil <3 cokies Sep 13 23:51:58 alexfner: thanks for answering :) Sep 13 23:52:00 creationix: hey want to send me an unedited copy of my code? :) Sep 13 23:52:07 see here: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/262519-cookie-not-working.html Sep 13 23:52:08 cookies > sqlite Sep 13 23:52:11 :D Sep 13 23:52:13 ^^ explains the issue Sep 13 23:52:15 Lol Sep 13 23:52:21 synchronous ftw Sep 13 23:52:27 Until you hit the 4k limit Sep 13 23:52:29 I see nothing Sep 13 23:52:36 Then its all over Sep 13 23:52:40 alexfner: the link Sep 13 23:52:44 alexfner: sure Sep 13 23:52:58 nothis is there Sep 13 23:53:02 nothing, rather Sep 13 23:53:14 your link is empty Sep 13 23:53:18 alexfner: this linke: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/262519-cookie-not-working.html Sep 13 23:53:22 it links to a forum post with no data Sep 13 23:53:26 that very one Sep 13 23:53:36 oh Sep 13 23:53:37 hold on Sep 13 23:53:44 however, http://www.webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie is a good link Sep 13 23:54:01 Not wanting to be in this class... Sep 13 23:54:43 Really can't take more rocks today... Sep 13 23:55:54 wth? Sep 13 23:56:01 the thread is empty Sep 13 23:56:12 *facepalm* Sep 13 23:56:16 Lol Sep 13 23:56:53 that could be the next phone...the Palm Face Sep 13 23:57:26 * Mousey facepalms Sep 14 00:00:03 creationix: thanks Sep 14 00:00:10 :) Sep 14 00:00:17 now to have fun making games... Sep 14 00:00:26 I'm kinda sad that the pdf is C++ Sep 14 00:00:38 with node I've worked really hard to make pure-js stuff fast enough Sep 14 00:01:05 but I guess, you got to do what do got to do to compete with apple and android Sep 14 00:01:22 s/pdf/pdk/ Sep 14 00:03:54 yeah Sep 14 00:04:00 well there are benefits to it Sep 14 00:04:10 for example, there is no physics engine for javascript Sep 14 00:04:20 which is something that is really needed for games Sep 14 00:04:38 like with critical mass, I had to rely on stuff that goes through and checks distances Sep 14 00:04:49 and you can hit GC in js that you won't in c/c++ Sep 14 00:05:12 CHANNEL: we might have someone from twitter who is a newbie and wants to learn coming in Sep 14 00:05:14 be nice! Sep 14 00:05:30 Lol Sep 14 00:05:40 xD Sep 14 00:05:49 * sugardave hides the hazing manual. Sep 14 00:05:55 sugardave, oh noes Sep 14 00:05:56 its you! Sep 14 00:06:23 I am me Sep 14 00:06:30 he is him Sep 14 00:07:13 Lol Sep 14 00:08:51 Ugggg Sep 14 00:09:00 Rocks suck Sep 14 00:09:07 yeah Sep 14 00:09:15 especially when you're coming through the windshield of your car Sep 14 00:09:30 they're* Sep 14 00:09:31 type Sep 14 00:09:35 typo* Sep 14 00:09:39 that didn't make sense Sep 14 00:10:11 Haaaate geology Sep 14 00:18:10 hi, about the node.js meetup tomorrow. Do I need to register or something else? Where do I have to go? (I have no facebook login so I cannot see the details page) Sep 14 00:18:35 Lucky sob who gets to go... Sep 14 00:19:54 hah that's not a great way to greet someone! Sep 14 00:20:05 hey sebastian, I am not sure, but I will try to find out for you Sep 14 00:20:08 give me a moment Sep 14 00:20:30 thanks Sep 14 00:20:55 sebastianha: you have to rsvp on my facebook event page Sep 14 00:21:05 rsvp? Sep 14 00:21:24 http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=150227881667731 Sep 14 00:21:35 sebastianha: yep, the palm guys are printing out name tags and you can't get in without them Sep 14 00:21:50 mmh, I do not have/want a facebook login Sep 14 00:21:51 damn Sep 14 00:22:07 any other way to register? Sep 14 00:22:22 hmm, not sure Sep 14 00:22:24 throw an email to someone in power Sep 14 00:22:29 like, say , tim Casweel Sep 14 00:22:31 well* Sep 14 00:22:34 :D Sep 14 00:22:43 which email address? Sep 14 00:22:45 tim, can't ya do anything for him? Sep 14 00:22:47 :D Sep 14 00:22:56 Hi all Sep 14 00:22:59 I can forward an email to the palm guys Sep 14 00:23:15 next time I won't use facebook's event system Sep 14 00:23:31 I just noticed bayjax using it, so I figured it was a good idea Sep 14 00:23:33 Ok, so what do I have to do? :) Sep 14 00:23:46 I am together with a colleague Sep 14 00:23:47 I think it's a good idea for the majority of people, but an alternate option would be nice Sep 14 00:23:57 both without facebook :) Sep 14 00:23:59 @ creationix Sep 14 00:24:09 sebastianha: mail me your names, and I'll forward it to the palm guys printing the name tags Sep 14 00:24:16 tim@creationix.com Sep 14 00:24:51 * Tibfib wishes he lived in cali for the palm stuff Sep 14 00:26:20 Tibfib: truf Sep 14 00:27:11 creationix: mail sent Sep 14 00:27:19 when does the event start and where? Sep 14 00:27:32 Palm campus, 6:00pm Sep 14 00:27:54 what is this sorcery, my dropbox almost full?! Sep 14 00:28:26 * Tibfib can't use dropbox because of early access Sep 14 00:28:34 stop sending kitty pictures to everyone sugardave, fixed Sep 14 00:28:58 there are a bunch of conflicted people sharing this dropbox with me Sep 14 00:29:05 they need to straighten themselves out Sep 14 00:29:24 ok, I hope I can participate tomorrow Sep 14 00:29:28 I really would liek Sep 14 00:29:30 like Sep 14 00:30:43 sebastianha: ok, forwarded to the palm guys, and replied to you with info Sep 14 00:31:00 is for both of us? Sep 14 00:31:08 yep Sep 14 00:31:13 thank you very much Sep 14 00:33:09 stupid can't submit apps made with 2.0 sdk bug. Sep 14 00:35:08 I don't know if it's really a bug Sep 14 00:35:23 it isn't a but Sep 14 00:35:25 bug Sep 14 00:35:27 but let's not discuss it here :) Sep 14 00:35:42 your ipkg is just marked as 2.0 app Sep 14 00:35:46 look inside Sep 14 00:35:48 It's still annoying... Sep 14 00:36:23 anyone else having problems getting to the developer forums lately? Sep 14 00:36:29 I get infinite loop, and can never login Sep 14 00:36:35 I mean, I can login Sep 14 00:36:39 just cannot get to the forums Sep 14 00:37:02 I can just fine. Sep 14 00:37:10 it';s weird Sep 14 00:37:14 if I am logged out, I can get there Sep 14 00:37:21 but If I am looged in I get an infinite loop Sep 14 00:37:27 hmm Sep 14 00:37:46 Well, I'm logged in an it works fine. Sep 14 00:37:52 try to delete the cookies by developer.palm.com Sep 14 00:37:53 anyone care to post on the forums and let them know? :DA Sep 14 00:38:10 no problem here, too Sep 14 00:38:22 What sebastianha said. Sep 14 00:38:31 works fine here too Sep 14 00:40:02 how many people will be there tomorrow? Sep 14 00:40:05 ... I did what you said, and I was pulled back in time three months Sep 14 00:40:12 just got back to the future Sep 14 00:40:17 to tell you that was a bad idea Sep 14 00:40:26 :D Sep 14 00:40:52 alexfner: Sep 14 00:40:53 alright Sep 14 00:41:01 the forum deleted my post i guess Sep 14 00:41:05 but anyway, here's what I'm trying to do Sep 14 00:41:17 i set a preference called units in my app Sep 14 00:41:25 it's either kilograms or pounds Sep 14 00:41:48 and then i use the following code to set it in the preferences scene, store it in a cookie, and display it on the main page: Sep 14 00:42:37 models/Preferences.js: Sep 14 00:42:38 http://pastebin.com/tYMJX59H Sep 14 00:43:13 preferences-scene.html: Sep 14 00:43:13 http://pastebin.com/nCJ001u4 Sep 14 00:43:34 hey folksies Sep 14 00:43:38 preferences-assistant.js: Sep 14 00:43:38 http://pastebin.com/Z0W29QiQ Sep 14 00:43:47 wasn't there a standard Twitter apps on webOS were setting up for cross-app launch to post? Sep 14 00:43:57 I am implementing launch params in Spaz and want to include those Sep 14 00:44:05 and finally stage-assistant.js: Sep 14 00:44:05 http://pastebin.com/0PE6vb1a Sep 14 00:44:13 alexfner: are you there? :) Sep 14 00:45:03 kind of Sep 14 00:45:05 give me a bit Sep 14 00:45:42 alexfner: no problem. thanks again Sep 14 00:46:35 MBarvian: does this code throw any errors? Sep 14 00:46:57 alexfner: not that i know Sep 14 00:47:06 you mean, in the palm-log? Sep 14 00:47:16 yessir Sep 14 00:47:31 let me check real quick Sep 14 00:47:54 preferences.js has an error Sep 14 00:48:11 oh yeah it does Sep 14 00:48:14 what is it? Sep 14 00:48:26 oldPreferences vs oldNewsPrefs Sep 14 00:48:28 it says remove the src or fix it Sep 14 00:49:02 alright Sep 14 00:49:05 let me see if that fixed it :) Sep 14 00:49:22 nope :( Sep 14 00:49:44 * haeffb needs to post haeffb's super simple cookie recipe on http://www.webos101.com Sep 14 00:51:07 * sugardave bakes more cookies. Sep 14 00:51:48 MBarvian: what, exactly, is not working? Sep 14 00:51:57 haeffb: it's not storing the cookie Sep 14 00:52:10 did you look at the pastebin? Sep 14 00:52:15 lol sorry i'm a newb to all this stuff Sep 14 00:52:38 i'm trying to retrieve the value of WeightTracker.units (a global variable) by document.write(WeightTracker.units) Sep 14 00:53:01 I was thrown by the whole 'initialize' thing Sep 14 00:53:13 is that missing a Class.create or something? Sep 14 00:53:22 sugardave: i couldn't tell you. is it? Sep 14 00:53:27 no, it's just a js object Sep 14 00:53:36 Class.create is Prototype Sep 14 00:53:46 i am getting an error when i try to save the cookie Sep 14 00:53:53 what error? Sep 14 00:54:11 and I don't see anywhere that you actuall load the cookie. Sep 14 00:54:17 in palm-log: Sep 14 00:54:17 cannot call method "StoreCookie" of undefined, line undefined, file undefined Sep 14 00:54:39 haeffb: am i supposed to load the cookie in the preferences scene? Sep 14 00:54:44 before i store the new one? Sep 14 00:55:32 well, you will eventually need to load the cookie so you can use what's stored in it. Sep 14 00:55:45 did you add preferences.js to your sources.json? Sep 14 00:55:45 haeffb: so i can retrieve the data in it? Sep 14 00:55:50 haeffb: yes i did Sep 14 00:56:02 but it failed in the log Sep 14 00:56:21 "either remove the script or fix the source path" is the error Sep 14 00:56:46 pastebin sources.json Sep 14 00:57:04 http://pastebin.com/incnx5S1 Sep 14 00:57:46 and preferences.js is stored in app/models ? Sep 14 00:58:10 yes Sep 14 00:59:06 Giving users options is never a good idea Sep 14 00:59:14 halfhalo: amen Sep 14 00:59:35 because then they get all "entitled" Sep 14 00:59:36 halfhalo: it's a localization thing? Sep 14 00:59:45 and start demanding more options Sep 14 00:59:47 I really should update my steam friends app... But i can't be arsed Sep 14 01:00:17 Lol@localization Sep 14 01:00:26 * oil updates his xbox app before halfhalo updates steam app Sep 14 01:00:31 MBarvian: I'm going to guess the error is because you never WeightTracker.Cookie.initialize() Sep 14 01:00:44 I'm either getting the most intelligent spam ever or someone put in the wrong email address. Sep 14 01:00:44 and initialize() is where you create the cookie. Sep 14 01:00:47 haeffb: alright. how do i do that? Sep 14 01:01:00 If you. Update the xbox app like you update wirc itl be a while Sep 14 01:01:02 haeffb: and where? Sep 14 01:01:02 in your stage-assistant.js Sep 14 01:01:13 I got an email telling me I owe $9800 in back rent for a store in a mall, they want me to call them and talk. Sep 14 01:01:14 add WeightTracker.Cookie.initialize(); Sep 14 01:01:26 haeffb: do i just do WeightTracker.cookie.initialize() in the beginnning? Sep 14 01:01:31 And it's a real mall and the company they claim to be really runs it Sep 14 01:01:35 like line 36 or so Sep 14 01:01:42 Actually, I seriously doubt i still have steam friends source code anymore anyways Sep 14 01:01:59 Amaranth: I'd pay it if I were you. You don't want the mall mafia on your back. Sep 14 01:03:14 haeffb: now the app doesn't load :( Sep 14 01:03:21 awesome Sep 14 01:03:24 progress Sep 14 01:03:26 we're making progress! Sep 14 01:03:44 we've made progress! Sep 14 01:03:48 next step is to make your PC explode Sep 14 01:03:53 lol Sep 14 01:03:55 any suggestions? Sep 14 01:04:02 what error in log? Sep 14 01:04:17 let me see Sep 14 01:04:41 cannot call method "initialize" of undefined Sep 14 01:04:52 on that line Sep 14 01:04:56 dundundun Sep 14 01:06:20 suggestions? Sep 14 01:06:29 i have no idea what i'm doing lol Sep 14 01:07:05 although Sep 14 01:07:30 the log also says it can't load preferences.js, where it defines the cookie Sep 14 01:07:34 so that might be it Sep 14 01:09:27 i think that is it actually Sep 14 01:09:44 but there's no errors with preferences.js that i can see at least Sep 14 01:09:48 or jslint Sep 14 01:10:07 what does the log say about that? Sep 14 01:10:23 script load failed for preferences.js Sep 14 01:10:35 either remove the script or fix the src path Sep 14 01:10:37 * haeffb is loading your preferences.js into an app to see what happens. Sep 14 01:10:38 that's it Sep 14 01:10:46 haeffb: thanks :) Sep 14 01:10:48 so, that means it can't find it Sep 14 01:11:02 you're sure it's in app/models folder? Sep 14 01:11:52 haeffb: yep Sep 14 01:11:57 you must have it in a different path...it works for me. Sep 14 01:12:00 unless i'm doing it wrong Sep 14 01:12:06 lol Sep 14 01:12:16 you need to look Sep 14 01:12:19 I just dropped it in app/assistants Sep 14 01:12:25 no problems. Sep 14 01:12:29 in komodo edit, and in explorer, it says it's under app/models/preferences.js Sep 14 01:12:32 let me try it in assistants Sep 14 01:12:57 he, is there a way to test an app in the desktop browser? Sep 14 01:13:05 yes Sep 14 01:13:06 it's just js + html right? Sep 14 01:13:14 you need the emu, though Sep 14 01:13:29 so install it to the emu and export it from there to the browser? Sep 14 01:13:49 no, you ssh tunnel into the emu and forward port 8080 Sep 14 01:14:03 wait, not it doesn't work. now we're getting somewhere! Sep 14 01:14:11 and then laucnh the app in inspect mode Sep 14 01:14:25 Aha. Sep 14 01:15:01 creationix: though now that I write it out...not sure why you have to tunnel in Sep 14 01:15:19 creationix: anyway, look up host emulator mode in the dev forum Sep 14 01:15:37 basically I want to profile my js Sep 14 01:15:42 and the browser has better tools Sep 14 01:15:53 is the runtime javascript core or v8 ? Sep 14 01:15:58 yeah, I use iron dev console because I can't use inspector Sep 14 01:16:02 v8 Sep 14 01:16:03 MBarvian: in your sources.json, move preferences.js below stage-assistant.js Sep 14 01:16:05 alright got it Sep 14 01:16:11 it was retarded Sep 14 01:16:20 it wasn't in the app folder lol Sep 14 01:16:45 it works now? Sep 14 01:16:48 now i see an error in it though: "WeighTracker" is not defined on line 1 in preferences.js Sep 14 01:16:52 no, it still doesn't work Sep 14 01:16:58 if he moves it, stage assistant will fail Sep 14 01:17:04 when he call initialize Sep 14 01:17:14 well, dumb. Sep 14 01:17:34 do you know what the problem is? Sep 14 01:17:41 just a sec. Sep 14 01:17:46 ok thanks Sep 14 01:18:14 no, that will fix it. Sep 14 01:18:19 what? Sep 14 01:18:30 hmmm Sep 14 01:18:32 MBarvian: in your sources.json, move preferences.js below stage-assistant.js Sep 14 01:18:39 oh Sep 14 01:18:40 i got it Sep 14 01:18:44 *get it Sep 14 01:19:02 success! Sep 14 01:19:14 alright, now it launches Sep 14 01:19:40 but, when i call document.write(WeightTracker.units), it's stuck on lbs Sep 14 01:19:45 not kgs, even if i change it Sep 14 01:20:19 document.write? Sep 14 01:20:30 grr, the chrome profiler can only see the parent frame Sep 14 01:20:41 and it's exported into an iframe Sep 14 01:20:43 haeffb: yeah why? lol Sep 14 01:21:08 creationix: oh :( you are doing stuff far beyond my ken Sep 14 01:21:41 is there a way to execute the program with v8 profile information on the device/emulator Sep 14 01:22:00 where are you doing document.write? Sep 14 01:22:34 creationix: don't know enough about v8 to answer your question, but apprently aresDebug will connect to node.js on the emulator if you point it to the right port number Sep 14 01:22:40 haeffb: on main-scene.html Sep 14 01:22:59 it works, it just always gets lbs Sep 14 01:23:18 you go to preferences scene and change it. What happens in the log? Sep 14 01:23:35 well, I'm wanting to debug the client-side js at the moment Sep 14 01:23:41 preferences scene? you mean assistant? Sep 14 01:23:45 I got it mostly working by going to the iframe's content directly Sep 14 01:24:10 in the app, you go to the preferences scene. Sep 14 01:24:14 alright Sep 14 01:24:17 and change the toggle? Sep 14 01:24:35 doesn't change to kgs Sep 14 01:24:43 log? Sep 14 01:24:48 hold on Sep 14 01:25:50 it sets it to kgs Sep 14 01:26:05 If I edit the files on the device directly, can I skip the whole package/install/launch cycle Sep 14 01:26:07 but hold on, no matter what i do the document.write(WeighTracker.units) always returns lbs Sep 14 01:26:11 don't know where it's getting it from Sep 14 01:26:19 haeffb: do you just want the entire app? Sep 14 01:26:27 not yet. Sep 14 01:26:30 ok Sep 14 01:26:58 where in the main scene do you do the document.write? Sep 14 01:27:06 i don't in the scene Sep 14 01:27:13 i do it in the setup part of the assistant Sep 14 01:27:30 ok. setup() is only called when the scene is created. Sep 14 01:27:36 ah Sep 14 01:27:40 so, when should i do it? Sep 14 01:27:42 activate? Sep 14 01:27:47 yes. Sep 14 01:27:51 ok let me try Sep 14 01:28:01 but I wouldn't use document.write. Just add a Mojo.Log.info(); Sep 14 01:28:05 and look at the logs Sep 14 01:28:25 success!!!! Sep 14 01:29:03 woohoo!!! Sep 14 01:29:07 i think it worked man Sep 14 01:29:10 god thanks for everything Sep 14 01:29:23 seriously Sep 14 01:29:33 no problem - pass it forward sometime. Sep 14 01:29:37 thanks again Sep 14 01:30:25 so now whenever i need to refer to which units it is, i just use weighttracker.units? Sep 14 01:30:54 yes, should be fine Sep 14 01:30:58 awesome Sep 14 01:31:05 and the cookie stays the same size right? Sep 14 01:31:17 same size? Sep 14 01:31:20 doesn't get bigger for any reason right? Sep 14 01:31:27 i heard there was a 4kb limit Sep 14 01:31:29 unless you add other properties Sep 14 01:31:36 is there a mercurial source location for poundIRC? Sep 14 01:31:36 how many? i was planning on adding some Sep 14 01:31:48 up to 4kb. :) Sep 14 01:31:56 how many options is that? ballpark lol Sep 14 01:32:16 no idea. Sep 14 01:32:27 depends on the length of each one. Sep 14 01:32:30 haeffb: if i add like ten more, should i start to worry? Sep 14 01:32:34 nah. Sep 14 01:32:36 alright Sep 14 01:32:42 and i'll cross that bridge when i come to it Sep 14 01:32:43 thanks again man Sep 14 01:32:47 i really appreciate it Sep 14 01:32:50 welcome Sep 14 01:32:52 peace Sep 14 01:33:44 (although I really don't like Allen's cookie storage/retrieval pattern ... much more complicated than it needs to be) Sep 14 01:39:03 the source forge location points to an IPK that is 6 months old, but the Sep 14 01:39:23 nevermind. i think this is a sourceforge user failure. Sep 14 01:39:26 * qacat sighs Sep 14 01:41:56 ugg, prototype's Function.prototype.bind is really slow Sep 14 01:42:07 * creationix is profiling an game to find bottlenecks Sep 14 01:43:23 s/an game/a game/ Sep 14 01:51:53 hi, I'm having some trouble getting palm-inspector on Ubuntu 9.10 Sep 14 01:52:05 palm-inspector: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.38: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sep 14 01:52:23 thats the message I get, "locate libicui" produces: Sep 14 01:52:34 /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.40 Sep 14 01:52:34 /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.40.1 Sep 14 01:52:34 /usr/lib/libicuio.so.40 Sep 14 01:52:34 /usr/lib/libicuio.so.40.1 Sep 14 01:53:42 looks like my libraries are at a later version, any suggestions? Sep 14 01:54:28 * haeffb watching Super Troopers right meow. Sep 14 01:54:43 good times... Sep 14 01:56:09 ahhh....bikers! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 14 02:59:57 2010