**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 15 02:59:57 2010 Sep 15 03:00:09 it sent them back in time to just before I pressed the button, thus entering an infinite loop. Lets just say I had a hard time finding volunteers to test Sep 15 03:00:17 they pressed* Sep 15 03:01:10 oh, when I made them 4dimenisons, the fourth dimension was the ability to control the 3d ui from space Sep 15 03:01:22 lame Sep 15 03:01:24 so you would just hold your finger "NEAR" but not ON the phone Sep 15 03:01:27 and it would control the interface Sep 15 03:01:33 Timeshift is so much more awesomer Sep 15 03:01:33 yeah they weren't impressed Sep 15 03:01:38 so I was not hired Sep 15 03:01:40 haeffb: you don't AFAIK Sep 15 03:02:00 crap Sep 15 03:02:12 how can I test my updated notification system, then? Sep 15 03:02:31 device? Sep 15 03:02:40 let another key work? Sep 15 03:02:50 tibfib. You gotta try this minigame. its actually fun... Sep 15 03:03:03 actually fun? Sep 15 03:03:10 I dont usually enjoy the games I make but I find myself "testing" it for extended periods of time Sep 15 03:05:54 I'll have to test it out soon Sep 15 03:06:16 did you guys see that hp is going to put webOS in washing machines and dryers? Sep 15 03:06:36 they sent me my prototype washing machine today Sep 15 03:06:46 heh Sep 15 03:06:59 I got my WebOS toothbrush today... Sep 15 03:07:22 oh yeah? Sep 15 03:07:24 the benefit to the washing machine is the built in SOAP processing Sep 15 03:07:28 I had only heard that those were rumors Sep 15 03:07:32 I didn't believe they were real Sep 15 03:08:16 Their running Webos 2.0... you can only get them for sprint right now. Vzw and ATT have dalayed the release... Sep 15 03:08:40 awe geeze Sep 15 03:09:40 Webos underwear is gonna be the BOMB! Sep 15 03:10:40 No, webOS cars. Sep 15 03:10:56 Their nice. Sep 15 03:13:12 Anyone know how to turn Auto-Subscribe off on the P|C forums? Sep 15 03:13:21 I cannot find it in User CP or anything. Sep 15 03:13:35 I'm tired of the constant notifications. Sep 15 03:15:49 Nvm, found it... fixed it. Sep 15 03:54:38 any ideas what is wrong here? http://www.pastie.org/1159830 Sep 15 03:55:30 youd ont have a closing curly brace Sep 15 03:55:48 scratch that :P Sep 15 03:56:33 params -> parameters? Sep 15 03:56:46 looks good, as long as that inner parms is correct and not launchParms or something silly Sep 15 03:58:00 that's the outer params, inner is still 'params' Sep 15 03:59:33 qillerneu FTW! Sep 15 03:59:41 parameters Sep 15 03:59:47 gay Sep 15 04:20:11 how was the node meetup? Sep 15 04:20:13 anybudy? Sep 15 04:20:16 anybody? Sep 15 04:20:19 any buddy? Sep 15 04:24:47 * Anivrom is trying some code from wirc, and if it doesn't work, you can bet your balls I'm blaming oil Sep 15 04:29:12 did anyone get a chance to try stardust? Sep 15 04:29:36 * Anivrom has starfield Sep 15 04:29:40 and ffs Sep 15 04:29:49 * Anivrom blames oil for code not working!!11 Sep 15 04:30:26 I'm gonna pastebin something and all you smartypants out there tell me why its not working Sep 15 04:30:49 ya ya ya ya ya do it Sep 15 04:31:40 http://pastebin.com/p9kxZDZ7 Sep 15 04:31:50 doesn't throw any errors Sep 15 04:32:29 in the usage line Sep 15 04:32:41 'url(' + this.numbers.imgs[currNum] + ')'; Sep 15 04:32:43 change to Sep 15 04:32:47 'url(' + this.numbers.imgs[currNum].src + ')'; Sep 15 04:33:01 Umm Sep 15 04:34:09 meow/ Sep 15 04:34:11 ? Sep 15 04:35:18 * Anivrom speaks quietly under his breath, I guess it works thanks codeslaw Sep 15 04:35:37 * codeslaw stands on table and loudly proclaims Sep 15 04:35:50 you are quite welcome, Anvirom, for the correction to that source you pasted Sep 15 04:36:18 those little ditties get me all the time Sep 15 04:42:33 I'm confuzzled. Sep 15 04:42:40 btw, starDUST, not starField Sep 15 04:42:47 document.getElementById(current).style.background="background-image: url('image/arrow_sel.gif') no-repeat"; is this syntax valid for webos? Sep 15 04:42:56 I realise there is a difference codeslaw :P Sep 15 04:43:31 I'm getting repeating bg's when set dynamically Sep 15 04:43:39 whats teh javascript way to turn it off Sep 15 04:43:55 hold that thought Sep 15 04:43:57 googling it Sep 15 04:46:32 good to see people not honoring their nda's Sep 15 04:46:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWcmbxuJuZI&feature=player_embedded Sep 15 04:46:36 NOT Sep 15 04:46:53 You're furthering the NDA dishonour by posting Sep 15 04:47:02 gj Sep 15 04:47:50 don't be ridiculous Sep 15 04:47:55 I am not doing anything of the sort Sep 15 04:49:29 the profile says 16 years old Sep 15 04:49:31 argh! Sep 15 04:51:53 the youtube profile? Sep 15 04:52:43 anyone go to the Node meetup @ Palm tonight? Sep 15 04:53:41 nah wish i was nearby Sep 15 04:54:43 me too Sep 15 04:54:46 sounds interesting Sep 15 04:55:01 * halfhalo really really really wanted to go Sep 15 04:56:51 halfhalo: you did go, I saw you there Sep 15 04:57:17 i wish.... Sep 15 04:57:39 no seriously Sep 15 04:57:42 I SAW YOU THERE Sep 15 04:58:03 it's 12:53 Sep 15 04:58:09 I am going to go make some potatoes Sep 15 05:02:32 * sugardave reminds alexfner that one doesn't make potatoes, one grows them. Sep 15 05:03:30 * rwhitby wonders how many 16 yr old webOS developers are in the early access program ... Sep 15 05:04:00 at least one Sep 15 05:04:16 ORLY Sep 15 05:05:37 ORLY that's right Sep 15 05:06:23 sugardave: I am making hash, but I was worried that if I called it that term, even though it's not actually "hash" (potatoes + corned beef) that you would think of marijuana Sep 15 05:06:29 so I said making potatoes, instead Sep 15 05:06:55 that's potato hash :D yum Sep 15 05:07:35 I like mine with fried eggs and bacon on top Sep 15 05:08:21 wizardapps.. he's 16. NOT AN ACCUSATION Sep 15 05:11:55 ok I'm kinda getting pissed. I created a class in css with norepeat. my div ignores the class, I put code in setup() as follows, .style.backgroundRepeat = "no-repeat";, it ignores the code. I don't know how many options I have left Sep 15 05:12:15 haeffb: what was the name of the jar file again, webos something... Sep 15 05:13:22 Ok I'm gonna murder Ares in its sleep tonight. erased my class for some reason Sep 15 05:13:24 found it webos-tools Sep 15 05:14:35 sugardave: should I mix the chopped up polish sausage in there too? Sep 15 05:15:06 alexfner: yeah why not Sep 15 05:15:19 this is going to be great Sep 15 05:15:53 sounds awesome Sep 15 05:16:40 stop talking about food guys or I'm gonna have to get my wife to make me some of this "hash" Sep 15 05:19:17 i agree, have no snacks here Sep 15 05:26:36 arg Sep 15 05:26:47 snapped and went back to jailbroken ipad Sep 15 05:26:54 quick, BLAME OIL Sep 15 05:27:11 * halfhalo BLAMES OIL!!!! Sep 15 05:27:17 execellent.... Sep 15 05:27:32 :p Sep 15 05:27:35 Its what I do Sep 15 05:27:38 see that. made up a new word Sep 15 05:27:57 I'm just THAT smart Sep 15 05:28:20 hmm can't wait for that gps country wirc thingy to get pushed in 2 hours Sep 15 05:28:21 itunes 10 isn't as crappy as i thought it would be Sep 15 05:28:43 but then again... it is a mac vs itunes on a pc Sep 15 05:28:52 :P Sep 15 05:28:59 pc r king Sep 15 05:29:13 pc r loud compared to mac mini Sep 15 05:29:30 although, external hd r loud vs mini Sep 15 05:29:39 meh, I'll take a monster truck over an electric any day Sep 15 05:29:41 :P Sep 15 05:30:02 hah Sep 15 05:30:15 eco friendly cars can bite me Sep 15 05:31:07 * halfhalo revs the engine to offset prius's smug factor Sep 15 05:31:10 noooooooooo roypre, I didnt get a chance to give him his sailor moon costume back Sep 15 05:31:24 .... Sep 15 05:31:31 my uhhh sister needed it Sep 15 05:31:34 for.. that thing Sep 15 05:31:38 >_> Sep 15 05:31:53 * Anivrom is not a flaming cross dresser Sep 15 05:32:04 lets focus on roypre here! Sep 15 05:32:26 * halfhalo is thankful that this chat is logged Sep 15 05:32:32 hah Sep 15 05:32:43 * Anivrom doesn't care either way Sep 15 05:32:49 * halfhalo will twitter this Sep 15 05:33:03 * Anivrom really doesn't care either way Sep 15 05:33:24 * halfhalo will do it for the lulz Sep 15 05:33:38 * Anivrom will lulz for the doing it Sep 15 05:33:41 Dammit pad restore! Sep 15 05:33:50 fail Sep 15 05:33:55 Its not like theres media on it! Just apps! Sep 15 05:34:21 I have a zune hd for media :p Sep 15 05:34:47 "I duz it for the lulz" should totally be on icanhazcheesburger.com Sep 15 05:35:01 url fail Sep 15 05:35:26 hah Sep 15 05:35:38 halfhalo: what have you been working on lately Sep 15 05:35:41 besides node irc Sep 15 05:35:59 railsy stuff Sep 15 05:36:18 can you give me a 1 liner synopse of rails Sep 15 05:36:37 no? Sep 15 05:36:39 lol Sep 15 05:36:48 oh, I see. well then Sep 15 05:36:55 that requires effort... which I don't have this late Sep 15 05:37:51 ask me tomorrow Sep 15 05:39:37 I'll just ask google. Sep 15 05:39:39 never Sep 15 05:40:08 Anivrom: Rails is a web application framework running on the Ruby programming language. Sep 15 05:40:35 hmm, does this ruby language have merit? Sep 15 05:40:43 yes Sep 15 05:40:55 alternatively, a bar or pair of parallel bars of rolled steel making the railway along which railroad cars or other vehicles can roll Sep 15 05:40:58 Cause there's a thousand languages out there. Sep 15 05:41:09 rwhitby: nice Sep 15 05:41:23 Oh did you get a chance to see my question about new govnah and uk? Sep 15 05:41:33 namely that it wont accept profile changes Sep 15 05:41:42 dont flame me for not searching first. I was on my pre Sep 15 05:41:55 wfm Sep 15 05:42:07 wfm? Sep 15 05:42:13 work for me Sep 15 05:42:14 write f'ing manual? Sep 15 05:42:16 oh Sep 15 05:42:27 lol Sep 15 05:42:34 :) Sep 15 05:42:37 do you any temperature reading? Sep 15 05:42:40 Doesn't work for me Sep 15 05:42:41 No Sep 15 05:42:45 NA on that Sep 15 05:42:54 and I get negative amps routinely Sep 15 05:42:54 ah - no temperature = stock kernel Sep 15 05:42:59 right... Sep 15 05:43:04 But I have UK installed Sep 15 05:43:09 I just can't changed to anything else Sep 15 05:43:23 * halfhalo doesn't know what kernel he has Sep 15 05:43:26 I click it in the list and it pops to main but nothing changes Sep 15 05:43:33 * halfhalo just knows it goes to 1GHz Sep 15 05:43:37 1.4.5-92 on 0.6.7 Sep 15 05:43:46 halfhalo: you have 1.4.5-92 Sep 15 05:43:51 Anivrom: it's likely that you think you have UK installed, but actually have the stock kernel installed Sep 15 05:44:09 reinstall UK Sep 15 05:44:11 rwhitby: well then your install app for UK is very misleading. Sep 15 05:44:14 nah, its not UK Sep 15 05:44:23 halfhalo: oh Sep 15 05:44:24 Anivrom: there is no install app for UK Sep 15 05:44:29 in preware Sep 15 05:44:32 there is Sep 15 05:44:43 install app/preware app Sep 15 05:44:56 and when I installed it my screen started messing up Sep 15 05:45:11 randomly stopped registering touch events until I turned off/on the screen Sep 15 05:45:31 and random slowdowns too Sep 15 05:45:45 anything else? Sep 15 05:45:52 and also halfhalo I closed wirc but jstop said it was still open Sep 15 05:46:01 I think that was it. Sep 15 05:46:13 I'm sure the wIRC/jstop thing is Preware's fault too ... Sep 15 05:46:22 * Anivrom sighs Sep 15 05:46:46 I *thought* these were legitimate issues. Sep 15 05:46:52 Anivrom: you're a developer, right? Sep 15 05:47:05 Um depends who you ask, but yes Sep 15 05:47:16 no, everything is oils fault Sep 15 05:48:07 rwhitby: why do you ask Sep 15 05:48:25 ok, you're a developer, and you have over 200K happy users for your app. 1 user suggests that some things that are completely unrelated to your app are caused by your app. what do you do? Sep 15 05:49:19 take that 1 users issue into consideration knowing that there could be more than 1 that dont have the knowhow to speak up. Sep 15 05:49:31 wrong! Sep 15 05:49:53 you send that user all your source code, tell them to "have at it", and become a jazz pianist Sep 15 05:49:57 Not saying waste all your time trying to hunt it down. Sep 15 05:50:02 I vote option c: remove any and all contact info from public view! :p Sep 15 05:50:03 I never once asked you to "fix it" Sep 15 05:50:17 Just keep it in mind Sep 15 05:50:21 is all Sep 15 05:50:33 Anivrom: you had my attention until you said "randomly stopped registering touch events until I turned off/on the screen" Sep 15 05:50:35 And I also never said I wouldnt reinstall UK. Sep 15 05:51:15 rwhitby: given the depth of changes that are made after installing a kernel, I think it's a legitimate issue to keep in mind. Sep 15 05:51:32 Anivrom: oh, I thought you were blaming Preware Sep 15 05:51:38 lol no Sep 15 05:51:43 I'm blaming oil Sep 15 05:51:48 THEN preware Sep 15 05:52:14 lol. jokes. I'm really linking UK with my sudden pre performance drop/issues Sep 15 05:52:38 what's the output of "cat /proc/version" ? Sep 15 05:52:45 * Anivrom blinks Sep 15 05:52:59 on the device Sep 15 05:53:15 I'm not good with command line stuff. I assume you want me to open up terminal and issue that command? Sep 15 05:53:29 yep Sep 15 05:53:50 what do you do? Sep 15 05:53:59 rwhitby: well the output will be predictable, since I uninstalled UK and govnah earlier today Sep 15 05:54:03 you respond politely with a "Thanks, I'll look into it" Sep 15 05:54:06 that's what I do Sep 15 05:54:46 rwhitby: palm-joplin-3430 Sep 15 05:54:58 so yea I'm gonna try reinstalling uk Sep 15 05:55:01 full line of ouput please Sep 15 05:55:14 especially the bit in parentheses with the @ sign Sep 15 05:55:31 (na@na) => stock kernel Sep 15 05:55:32 na@na Sep 15 05:55:52 but like I said, I uninstalled UK so I would hope I'm on stock lol Sep 15 05:56:22 "15:08 Anivrom: But I have UK installed" Sep 15 05:57:05 I was speaking in context of my original question. Sep 15 05:57:17 alexfner: I actually give Anivrom the solution, but then the discussion turned to Preware for some reason Sep 15 05:57:57 where was the solution? Sep 15 05:58:01 is there only one solution? Sep 15 05:58:05 15:09 rwhitby: Anivrom: it's likely that you think you have UK installed, but actually have the stock kernel installed Sep 15 05:58:05 isn't that somewhat subjective Sep 15 05:58:08 15:10 rwhitby: reinstall UK Sep 15 05:58:11 Yea I mentioned the method which I installed UK. and wondered why it wouldnt have installed if I installed it Sep 15 05:58:40 with which* Sep 15 05:59:14 did you say "Yes" when Preware said to reboot the phone after installing UK ? Sep 15 05:59:30 nah I said "later" and then did it about a minute later Sep 15 05:59:42 did exactly what Sep 15 05:59:45 I had some stuff open Sep 15 06:00:15 exactly what did you do later Sep 15 06:00:23 Held power button down, and did a .... luna restart. Sep 15 06:00:28 lol Sep 15 06:00:38 feels kinda sheepish Sep 15 06:00:44 glad we got it solved! Sep 15 06:01:18 and it only took 20 minutes of my voluminous spare time ... Sep 15 06:01:57 well I wasn't exactly pestering you to solve it for me :P you were volunteering. Sep 15 06:02:38 most of that 20 was he said she said Sep 15 06:07:41 rwhitby: I need a place to park my combination hummer/airplane. Do you think your voluminous spare time could fit it? Sep 15 06:20:31 been listening to vai / satch on youtube all night. legends Sep 15 06:23:33 why is there a video of the SDK on PC ? :S Sep 15 06:29:29 hotdp: cause a 16yr old developer in the early access program posted it on youtube Sep 15 06:29:51 I fell a shame each time this is happening Sep 15 06:30:30 have there been any respons from Palm? Getting it removed from YouTube? remove hes access to program? Sep 15 06:31:27 well, the youtube profile says 16yrs old. it could be a completely unrelated developer who passed it onto to someone who says they are 16yrs old on youtube Sep 15 06:31:30 hotdp: it just got posted Sep 15 06:31:39 so we'll just wait Sep 15 06:31:48 they're going to find it in the morning it went right to precentral Sep 15 06:32:01 Chuq wont be happy ;:( Sep 15 06:32:37 chuq doesn't seem to care about precentral reporting SDK leaks Sep 15 06:34:42 Are you sure? I think i have read something on palm forum that he was not "happy" Sep 15 06:35:27 he's not happy with developers leaking stuff Sep 15 06:35:50 he doesn't seem to care about the "news" (tech blog) outlets that give such developers safe harbour Sep 15 06:38:33 yeah, but I think they realized they can't threaten all the developers when one person leaks Sep 15 06:38:38 cause it is not good publicity Sep 15 06:38:43 in any respect Sep 15 06:38:47 agreed Sep 15 06:38:54 to say that you've temporarily shut down your developer program Sep 15 06:39:05 better off to just cut leaks off when they happen Sep 15 06:39:36 now, I'm not genius Sep 15 06:39:40 right, but that's orthogonal to the reaction to tech blogs giving safe harbour to rogue devs Sep 15 06:40:11 perhaps Sep 15 06:40:17 but it's new media Sep 15 06:40:23 and it has the right to protect it's source Sep 15 06:40:38 and I don't think palm wants to take anyone to court over leaks like that Sep 15 06:40:44 webOS 2.0 is out of the bag Sep 15 06:40:57 what isn't, is the exact technical features of the OS Sep 15 06:40:59 and the hardware Sep 15 06:41:00 what gives a tech blogger the right to protect the name of someone who has broken the law? Sep 15 06:41:29 well in the U.S. news media have the freedom to protect their sources Sep 15 06:41:51 precentral is news media? I thought they were a shop with some forums Sep 15 06:41:58 it's hard to say Sep 15 06:42:08 but it would require palm to file a lawsuit to figure it out Sep 15 06:42:12 I tweet stuff - am I news media that is protected? Sep 15 06:42:15 and that would completely ruin the webOS community Sep 15 06:42:33 regardless Sep 15 06:42:36 i dont know why i bother looking at the backlog for this channel for mentions Sep 15 06:42:54 it doesn't make sense for palm to crack down on it's only source of community right now Sep 15 06:42:58 they're all "i blame oil" Sep 15 06:43:08 and "oil smells" Sep 15 06:43:26 naw, none of those Sep 15 06:43:33 alexfner: well, palm needs to decide what is more important. not leaking, or preserving community. Sep 15 06:43:47 oil: lol Sep 15 06:44:09 palm doesn't want leaks Sep 15 06:44:10 they can't say to devs "don't leak" and at the same time say to precentral "we love how you publish leaks" Sep 15 06:44:56 but I have to assume that the only things that they give us are things where they've made a cost benefit decision with the worst possible outcome being that what they give to devs early would be leaked, and weight the pros and the cons of releasing information to devs Sep 15 06:45:37 and so anything we get, while they don't want it leaked, they feel it's better to give that out with the small possibility of a leak than to not give it out at all Sep 15 06:45:52 and that's my perception of their decision making Sep 15 06:45:59 not an actual account :D Sep 15 06:46:01 sounds right Sep 15 06:46:02 alexfner: I'm sure that 100% the case. Sep 15 06:46:10 me to Sep 15 06:46:27 But i still think it is sad :) Sep 15 06:46:41 it is sad, but it's also not our problem Sep 15 06:47:10 I mean, chuq and his "investigation team" exist to deal with this stuff Sep 15 06:47:27 and they probably have someone who makes the policy decisions related to this stuff who's pretty smart :D Sep 15 06:47:31 but without watermarked early access material, there will always be leaks when any 16yr old youtube poster is admitted to the early access program Sep 15 06:47:40 and as devs, our job is always to ask for everything faster, earlier, and more stable than before Sep 15 06:47:42 right? Sep 15 06:47:44 :) Sep 15 06:51:13 hotdp: so anyway, the answer to your question is "there a video of the SDK on PC because Palm has not effectively protected their IP" :) Sep 15 06:51:47 (or alternatively, because Palm wants there to be a video of webOS 2.0 on youtube) Sep 15 06:52:02 rwhitby thanks for the answer :) Sep 15 06:52:06 which I think is the lesser probability Sep 15 06:52:44 who knows? Sep 15 06:52:51 what if these are all controlled leaks by palm? Sep 15 06:52:52 genius Sep 15 06:52:54 what is needed is a SDK distribution technology which watermarks each copy and that stenagraphic watermark persists in screenshots. Sep 15 06:52:59 that would mean they're genius Sep 15 06:53:29 rwhitby but will there not always be a way to avoid anyway? Sep 15 06:53:34 controlled leaks are part of any run-of-the-mill marketing campaign Sep 15 06:53:40 like copy right protection? Sep 15 06:53:41 rwhitby: what would be much simpler, would be to throw around different distributions to different developers with different apps preloaded Sep 15 06:53:56 it would limit the possibility pool Sep 15 06:54:26 alexfner: I suspect there are too many candidates to effectively bisect to a solution Sep 15 06:54:33 perchance@ Sep 15 06:55:00 maybe palm should just stop sending developers sdks, and start sending them balls and chains 8D Sep 15 06:58:51 Anyone know how well shake events work for instance if the device was facing flat up and you moved it up and down Sep 15 06:58:53 or write a node service that checks in, and require all developers to be online while using the early access emulator Sep 15 06:58:59 but all of that sounds draconian Sep 15 06:59:14 Anivrom: a certain tolerance, doesn't matter which direction Sep 15 06:59:54 uh, last I checked the accelerometer doesn't register movement unless the device is tilted Sep 15 07:00:46 Do you actually have experience with shake events or are you just assuming Sep 15 07:00:51 it measures accel in x, y, and z Sep 15 07:00:53 3-axis Sep 15 07:05:01 * alexfner wonder if the new macbook air will get an amd apu, 8-10 hr battery life Sep 15 07:05:04 hah this is gonna be great. shake events in this minigame. didnt have a choice though, running out of screen realestate and also time Sep 15 07:05:28 shake events can be somewhat inconsistent Sep 15 07:05:31 I used them Sep 15 07:05:36 and I didn't like them Sep 15 07:05:55 sometimes it would trigger without virtually any movement Sep 15 07:06:03 other times it would take a lot of movement Sep 15 07:06:05 thats why oyu need a magnitude filter... Sep 15 07:06:15 It all depends on the device orientation Sep 15 07:06:27 yeah Sep 15 07:06:38 so how are you going to compensate for it? Sep 15 07:06:55 If the device is moving in the face up / face down direction its bad, which is why I asked Sep 15 07:07:12 if you're moving it sideways or edge on direction its good Sep 15 07:07:28 basically it works best if you're moving in the direction of gravity Sep 15 07:07:32 since its gravity based Sep 15 07:07:59 idk I'll have to test it out and see Sep 15 07:08:17 thats not true Sep 15 07:08:17 the accel compensates for gravity Sep 15 07:08:45 but its gravity based, therefore it needs to compute against gravity Sep 15 07:08:58 and if its only moving in the horizontal it has less to compute against Sep 15 07:09:10 vertical gives best results Sep 15 07:09:27 why do you think you have to tilt the device up to use it with steering type games Sep 15 07:09:39 have to/best to Sep 15 07:09:57 idk we'll see Sep 15 07:10:04 Gonna see for myself how well it works Sep 15 07:11:32 I could be wrong but it just makes sense that way Sep 15 07:12:01 and my experience as a user tells me what doesn't work Sep 15 07:35:50 yay no work tomorrow Sep 15 07:35:56 Got fired? Sep 15 07:36:04 I get every wednesday off Sep 15 07:36:12 Plus weekends? Sep 15 07:36:24 I would like to now work monday :D Sep 15 07:36:26 yessir Sep 15 07:36:33 *not Sep 15 07:36:36 wed. and weekends Sep 15 07:36:39 Nice. Sep 15 07:36:49 I work 10+ hours the other 4 days though Sep 15 07:36:57 :S Sep 15 07:37:04 Hmm. Get paid well? :) Sep 15 07:37:08 which is good cause I still get my 40 hours Sep 15 07:37:16 What is the normal hours you work for a weekn in your country? Sep 15 07:37:22 meh its enough to live / save / support my wife Sep 15 07:37:31 44. after that its overtime Sep 15 07:37:48 In Denmark we work 37 hours a week Sep 15 07:37:48 country = canada Sep 15 07:37:58 I hate you Sep 15 07:38:33 oki Sep 15 07:38:39 lol Sep 15 07:38:45 :) Sep 15 07:39:09 Canadians are a bit different than the rest of us.. no? ;) Sep 15 07:39:18 :P yea eh Sep 15 07:39:42 Americans are a bit different than the rest of us too ;) Sep 15 07:39:55 I'm american. Sep 15 07:39:56 lol Sep 15 07:40:09 What if you have a dual citizenship? Sep 15 07:40:13 it would suffice to say every country has its quirks Sep 15 07:40:18 even down unda' Sep 15 07:40:28 Australia? Sep 15 07:40:40 where rwhitby lives yes Sep 15 07:40:47 Aah, right. Sep 15 07:41:06 someone told me he was canadian, but apparently this is not true Sep 15 07:41:24 lol. Thought you two had a connection for a second? Sep 15 07:41:38 Anivrom: that was probably someone making a joke about how people confuse WebOS Internals and Canuck Software Sep 15 07:41:45 Ah I see Sep 15 07:42:16 * Gu1l7y_work used to be guilty of that... Sep 15 07:43:34 Did anybody see the 2.0 sdk youtube leak video? Sep 15 07:44:01 um pretty much everybody Sep 15 07:44:17 you missed the indepth philisophical discussion here 30 minutes ago Sep 15 07:44:17 I'm late then. Sep 15 07:44:23 damn! Sep 15 07:44:27 old news ;) Sep 15 07:44:44 I first found out about it when I started recording the video Sep 15 07:44:49 er I mean Sep 15 07:44:51 Hi Sep 15 07:44:53 :) Sep 15 07:45:04 lol Sep 15 07:45:48 * Anivrom crosses fingers and hopes code works on first attempt Sep 15 07:46:07 usually dont have much luck with that :P Sep 15 07:46:31 gah. damn this. Me want Pre so bad, but the cost/quality makes me doubt Sep 15 07:46:51 I'd want to hammer my current winmo Sep 15 07:48:19 teemu: don't have a pre? Sep 15 07:48:55 Nope. I just woke up to the fact that my winmo sucks big time and how nice WebOS actually is. Sep 15 07:49:08 Like three weeks ago or so Sep 15 07:49:38 teemu_ you where from finland? Sep 15 07:50:13 But I find $400 a bit too much for a phone with possible HW issues and no way of getting them fixed. If I should use eBay to get one that is Sep 15 07:50:16 hotdp: yea Sep 15 07:50:33 http://www.precentral.net/palm-uk-selling-sim-free-unlocked-palm-pre Sep 15 07:50:44 don't know if that is anything for you Sep 15 07:50:48 I've been tracking several eBay items but wth I do with a $400 phone if it cracks in a week or two Sep 15 07:51:07 I'll take a look Sep 15 07:51:10 £289.99. Sep 15 07:51:21 and there is warenty Sep 15 07:53:06 jh mhg mhgjhkjixskjiskjoasaazasxdfcxc Sep 15 07:53:10 Sorry Sep 15 07:53:16 Spider on the keyboard. Sep 15 07:53:52 hmm. Only Pre? :( Sep 15 07:54:16 Yea, think so. Sep 15 07:54:20 No Plus... Sep 15 07:54:42 Would it be because Plus is contracted to carriers.. Sep 15 07:55:18 Well so is the non-plus.. Sep 15 07:55:31 Its a Sprint thing isn't it. Sep 15 07:55:33 ?* Sep 15 07:57:15 bah. shake events are way too unreliable to be used in my game Sep 15 07:57:23 Was gonna be so sick too Sep 15 07:57:53 Was gonna use it as a "star power"esque activator Sep 15 07:57:53 Pre Plus directs to O2 on palm.co.uk so they have an exclusive deal with them apparently Sep 15 07:58:13 goodnight guys. Sep 15 08:05:08 http://bash.org/?265526 Sep 15 08:48:09 How do I make emulator call 127.0.0.1 to work with the host Sep 15 08:48:46 I mean, if I have a local www-server on my computer how do I make emulator browser understand that the call 127.0.0.l points to my local computer? Sep 15 08:49:21 Or better yet, when I have the host (of emulator) configured to direct calls to myserver.com to 127.0.0.1 how do I make emulator to understand that.. Sep 15 08:49:43 hmm. Ok ok I get that the emulator has its own..hmm. Sep 15 08:52:09 What's the ip for emulators host? Sep 15 08:57:30 To answer my question: ip show route on the emulator. IP was 10.0.2.2 Sep 15 08:58:21 :) Sep 15 08:58:33 nice to see you find the answers yourself Sep 15 09:10:06 I have to. Nobody here gave me the answer ;) Sep 15 09:10:15 :P Sep 15 09:11:47 gah. Time to do paid coding. Sep 15 09:11:55 ? Sep 15 09:11:56 I've been coding my own app and RoR Sep 15 09:12:11 My real work. I'm on lunch break now. Sep 15 09:12:17 Coding webos and Ruby Sep 15 09:13:00 hehe Sep 15 09:13:04 I'm always at work when I'm on here. Sep 15 09:13:05 sounds nice :D Sep 15 09:13:14 i am also at work Sep 15 09:13:24 I get paid to chat on irc. Sep 15 09:13:29 haha Sep 15 09:13:33 I don't think my boss knows this though... Sep 15 09:14:25 Btw, 3D thingies work in the emu fine or should I get real HW for that? Sep 15 09:14:45 I only wish I knew what you are talking about... Sep 15 09:15:06 PDK stuff. Do they work fine in emulator? Sep 15 09:15:30 why should it not work? Sep 15 09:15:51 Don't know. I'm just asking... making sure. That's all :) Sep 15 09:16:06 i don't know, but i can't see why it should not work Sep 15 09:16:20 would be hard for people to code pdk if the enulator dit not work Sep 15 09:16:49 ;) Sep 15 09:16:57 I figured it would be about pdk. My coding knowledge doesn't go any deeper than qBasic though... Sep 15 09:20:26 qBasic :D Sep 15 09:32:49 hotdp: I know I know.. Sep 15 11:35:20 wth does Pre's button do? Sep 15 11:35:22 The hw one Sep 15 11:41:42 well, if you are in an application Sep 15 11:41:51 it is like swipe to up Sep 15 11:42:04 appearing the apps cards Sep 15 11:42:55 So the button has been replaced by swipe? Sep 15 11:44:51 I think so but not really sure Sep 15 11:45:27 I only can tell you that my Palm Pre button (the one in the bottom center of the screen) does what I said Sep 15 11:45:46 Ok :) Thanks Sep 15 11:45:46 also, it blinks when a message or notification comes Sep 15 11:45:52 hehe Sep 15 11:45:58 u're welcome ;) Sep 15 12:43:41 HTC Desire Z looks good Sep 15 14:32:17 LoneStar99 how is your new buisiness? Sep 15 14:40:42 Good morning all Sep 15 14:50:01 hello all Sep 15 14:50:42 hotdp, it is going, will launch a website soon, need to tweak it, got an order for two wallets yesterday Sep 15 14:50:57 nice Sep 15 14:51:06 I would like to see prices ect. Sep 15 14:51:27 the link will be http://deemon.in Sep 15 14:51:34 but still needs alot of work Sep 15 14:52:50 bbl Sep 15 14:52:55 ok Sep 15 14:52:57 laters Sep 15 14:53:00 i have seen deemon Sep 15 15:13:59 who here feels like misappropriating university bandwidth! I do! Sep 15 15:17:17 hey none of that Sep 15 15:17:59 Hell, its what I do Sep 15 15:18:38 LoneStar99 what is the price for your product? Sep 15 15:18:39 I have hulu and netflix on the big screen Sep 15 15:20:18 Palm Dev Day in NYC in Nov? Sep 15 15:21:57 orly Sep 15 15:22:42 haeffb_pre: there is? Sep 15 15:23:14 a mention on dev blog - no details Sep 15 15:24:02 hotdp: the credit card wallets are $15 a pop Sep 15 15:24:37 hi Sep 15 15:25:10 roge Sep 15 15:25:45 erg, looks like I might have to go to Copenhagen at the end of the month Sep 15 15:26:21 rWEEEE Sep 15 15:26:23 sugardave Sep 15 15:26:29 Welcome to the GREAT country Sep 15 15:26:33 :D Sep 15 15:26:43 I can tell you Sep 15 15:26:48 nice copenhagen!! Sep 15 15:26:52 Its cold today, rainy and very windy Sep 15 15:26:55 for a job? Sep 15 15:27:13 yeah, I hate being cold :D Sep 15 15:27:26 LoneStar99: teaching a class, because their local guy is unavailable Sep 15 15:27:34 Cool Sep 15 15:27:42 have you been to denmark before? Sep 15 15:27:46 nope :D Sep 15 15:27:49 ;) Sep 15 15:28:00 * halfhalo strums air guitar Sep 15 15:28:02 will have to get my geocaching rig up and running and grab at least one while i"m there Sep 15 15:28:04 You can see the queen or Christiania ;) Sep 15 15:28:10 sugardave: nice awesome Sep 15 15:28:19 sugardave: u work at IBM right?> Sep 15 15:28:25 yeah Sep 15 15:28:25 * halfhalo TOTALY forgot to set upload limit for his torrents Sep 15 15:28:37 lol Sep 15 15:28:46 IBM services my laptop... speaking of which, gotta call them up about it Sep 15 15:28:47 my dad got space on the amazon cloud to back up his computer Sep 15 15:28:55 he has fried our network with it Sep 15 15:28:57 sugardave: If you need any information abot Denmark go Copenhagen let me know.. Sep 15 15:29:07 sugardave: is it still called "big blue"? Sep 15 15:29:17 uploading for a week straight and i'm pretty sure our ISP throttled us, because i turned it off and it's still fubard Sep 15 15:29:26 hotdp: sure thing...there is another guy who wants to teach class, but he notoriously doesn't travel...so it's 95% going to be me Sep 15 15:29:44 LoneStar99: yeah, but I'm in Tivoli so we call ourselves "Purple" Sep 15 15:29:45 Well, I opened transmition and saw that an ubuntu iso was uploading at about 5MB/s Sep 15 15:29:49 oki let me know then :) Sep 15 15:30:44 Denmark is a small country so i think it is funny you have to maybe visit it Sep 15 15:34:55 hotdp: if you want a wallet, will ship it to europe 4 free! Sep 15 15:35:15 * haeffb_pre will crash at Bmyers' house for Dev Days. Dibs on the spare bedroom. Sep 15 15:35:40 LoneStar99 sounds good :) i have to see what you got on the new homepage :D Sep 15 15:35:41 haeffb_pre: where is dev days this year? Sep 15 15:36:40 haeffb_pre: I am on the metro north line. not too far away really Sep 15 15:36:44 hotdp: currently have these --> white ones are transparent Sep 15 15:36:48 http://deemon.in/deemon_duct_tape_wallets.php Sep 15 15:36:54 rumor has it in NYC Sep 15 15:37:28 * halfhalo doesn't like that Sep 15 15:37:37 * halfhalo can't afford the flight or hotel Sep 15 15:37:39 if it is NYC i will come for sure.. cheat flight tickets. What time is it normally? Sep 15 15:37:50 damn wish it was in cali, will be real close this time, but if it is in NYC can look for a cheap flight from San Diego Sep 15 15:38:09 LoneStar99: u in SD now? Sep 15 15:38:31 in 29 days Sep 15 15:38:33 Well, if its in CA I don't even have to pay for the flight :p Sep 15 15:39:02 oh. anything lined up yet? Sep 15 15:40:03 just tons of websites to build for folks Sep 15 15:40:07 and what are the dates` Sep 15 15:40:21 websites oh noes! Sep 15 15:40:22 good 4 u LoneStar99 : best of luck Sep 15 15:40:39 nov 19-20 Sep 15 15:40:47 Bmyers: thanks Sep 15 15:40:55 i will do fine Sep 15 15:41:20 got a van or a river picked out yet? Sep 15 15:41:44 Oh that unlocked from Palm was from yesterday Sep 15 15:42:18 nothing yet, looking to rent something for $900-1100+ a month Sep 15 15:42:56 sorry $1100 will be the cut off point Sep 15 15:42:58 http://ocw.mit.edu/courses Sep 15 15:46:44 haeffb_pre: on a multi-stage app, there is a way to only open one scene at a time, right? Sep 15 15:48:47 swapScene? Sep 15 15:49:37 multi- stage is just like single-stage but with the possibility of more stages Sep 15 15:49:43 noticed my defective code, always brings up, the main scene, and ugly ass empty grey scen, when i load app Sep 15 15:50:02 * haeffb_pre reading mit comp-sci homework Sep 15 15:50:25 did you add noWindow: true to appinfo.json Sep 15 15:50:43 yeah added nowin Sep 15 15:51:13 have not touched da code in few days, will mess again with later today Sep 15 15:56:48 video lectures Sep 15 16:01:18 nice, you taking tele-commute courses? Sep 15 16:01:26 it is -10 in this office.... Sep 15 16:04:39 MIT open courseware Sep 15 16:05:51 k Sep 15 16:10:47 did go daddy ever sell? Sep 15 16:21:19 So they want us to use shake events in our apps but they don't exactly make those events consistant. Sep 15 16:21:27 its pretty tough to get a shake event to fire Sep 15 16:21:39 in the direction I am needing it to shake Sep 15 16:21:47 namely horizonal taking not vertical Sep 15 16:22:04 taking/shaking Sep 15 16:23:32 infact its almost impossible to get the shake event to fire when shaking horizontally Sep 15 16:40:03 lying ass eclipse...has anyone ever seen this (it's happened twice now): you start writing a switch, and you put in the default: case first...then when you start adding other cases, eclipse declares a syntax error and puts ugly red Xs everywhere. ANd then you delete the whole switch and it STILL says syntax error...then you delete the entire function and guess what? syntax error Sep 15 16:40:09 it's damn annoying Sep 15 16:40:30 lol Sep 15 16:41:09 i know that to :) Sep 15 16:47:49 hmmmm Sep 15 16:47:57 {name:"profile",disableSceneScroller:"true"} Sep 15 16:48:03 webos101 says quotes Sep 15 16:48:09 I thikn no quotes. Sep 15 16:48:14 what do you guys think Sep 15 16:48:31 on disableSceneScroller Sep 15 16:49:07 that would be no quotes Sep 15 16:49:20 guess I found an errata Sep 15 16:49:32 it may not matter, js probably does some kind of type conversion Sep 15 16:49:57 but I know that true (with no quotes) works Sep 15 16:53:06 never thought shake events would take an absurd amount on shaking to fire Sep 15 16:53:22 thats too bad. it was gonna be a cool feature Sep 15 16:53:52 Anivrom: did you up the accelerometer's sensitivity level? Sep 15 16:54:01 no Sep 15 16:54:02 O-o Sep 15 16:54:11 I think there are 2 "modes" for the accelerometer Sep 15 16:54:18 oh Sep 15 16:54:23 I'll look into that Sep 15 16:54:35 it may only deal with how often it is polled Sep 15 16:54:49 Anivrom: no quotes on true/false Sep 15 16:55:47 Guess someone should update the wiki. http://webos101.com/Mojo.Controller.StageController Sep 15 16:55:55 that would be you Sep 15 16:56:23 I wouldnt know anything about updating wikis. I'm just a layman Sep 15 16:57:55 Sooo... Guess what campus just lost network connectivity Sep 15 16:58:10 apparently since you're connected to irc Sep 15 16:58:44 iPad has 3G Sep 15 16:59:00 iPad has issues.... Sep 15 16:59:09 Yup Sep 15 17:03:08 Now, i have no idea hat sites are up and what sites are down... I know the main sun page is still up, but the rest look to be on this side of the issue Sep 15 17:04:13 new scene to add a new list item or custom dialog in same scene to add a new list item? Sep 15 17:04:22 poll ^^^^ Sep 15 17:04:46 uhh same scene. I hate navigating Sep 15 17:05:05 plus thats how palm does it with their add button Sep 15 17:07:17 looks like I'm gonna have to process the raw accelerometer data Sep 15 17:07:41 you shouldn't encourage children to shake their pets anyway Sep 15 17:08:28 Lol Sep 15 17:08:30 nah its for activating a "star power"esque feature Sep 15 17:08:47 liak in gitar hero Sep 15 17:09:08 Soooo friggin bored with no internets Sep 15 17:09:30 And i was updating my vps as well, which is down since i stopped the web server during the upgrade Sep 15 17:12:16 wow got an app update pushed through in less than 15 hrs... Sep 15 17:13:23 nice Sep 15 17:13:35 my new app submit only took from saturday till last night Sep 15 17:13:48 they must have staffed up a bit, or pulled a couple long nights Sep 15 17:13:51 my last apps, took like 7days or so Sep 15 17:13:59 ya i heard last week was really bad Sep 15 17:14:04 or ppl have given up on the pdk and arent submitting aps Sep 15 17:14:06 :P Sep 15 17:14:07 or stopped playing angry birds Sep 15 17:14:10 my appstore app has only been waiting for review since july 13th Sep 15 17:14:25 drudge, fire off an email Sep 15 17:14:29 drudge: that is crazy Sep 15 17:14:30 thats abnormal Sep 15 17:14:48 drudge: iphone app store, or palm app catalog Sep 15 17:14:54 drudge: picket outside of Palm HQ Sep 15 17:15:12 iphone app store, i've just started porting to webos this weekend Sep 15 17:15:17 and call chuqui a scab when he walks past you to work Sep 15 17:15:18 lol Sep 15 17:15:19 palm is the best Sep 15 17:15:52 they've been super supportive Sep 15 17:16:01 yea palm is great Sep 15 17:16:46 drudge: what are you porting? Sep 15 17:17:25 codeslaw_: my first app is just a primer to get used to it, it's a GTD-style application for managing your media consumption Sep 15 17:17:42 codeslaw_: ultimately i'm porting over our IRC client, Linkinus Sep 15 17:17:49 oh snap Sep 15 17:17:52 right on Sep 15 17:18:05 drudge, there aint room enough for 2 irc apps, so you're better be stellar Sep 15 17:18:14 wIRC is king of the market atm Sep 15 17:18:26 yours better be stellar * Sep 15 17:18:28 lol Sep 15 17:18:52 Anivrom: sure :P Sep 15 17:19:08 Linkinus started on the Mac, we just recently brought it to iOS Sep 15 17:19:10 oh its a full desktop client too Sep 15 17:19:16 Yea I just pulled up the wiki Sep 15 17:19:22 http://linkinus.com is the site Sep 15 17:19:27 looks nice Sep 15 17:19:29 drudge: are you saying i should put Colloquy away and try linkinus? Sep 15 17:19:40 that's up to you :) Sep 15 17:19:52 there is a free trial if you want to see if you like it Sep 15 17:19:57 this was the first mac client i found via the google Sep 15 17:20:13 drudge, now that you're webos homies technically you should do the right thing and sent him an activation code Sep 15 17:20:28 naahh if i like it im happy to pay Sep 15 17:20:39 if he works palm he gets a 50% discount :P Sep 15 17:20:44 at palm* Sep 15 17:20:44 lol Sep 15 17:22:36 i'm pretty excited about services in webOS 2.0, should prove pretty interesting for linkinus for webOS Sep 15 17:23:12 writing in c++ or going the mojo route? Sep 15 17:23:13 can't wait for webos 2.0 to come out so we can start working on it.... ;) Sep 15 17:24:12 can't wait to start developing my app for webos .05 alpha Sep 15 17:24:30 dude is that coming out soon? Sep 15 17:24:38 I heard its got warpdrive Sep 15 17:25:37 Anivrom: can't talk about .05 Sep 15 17:25:47 any boy scouts here? Sep 15 17:25:48 codeslaw_: going mojo/node.js route Sep 15 17:26:34 awesome. i imagine it would be pretty horrible putting together a fully featured rich text UI without some kind of UI framework Sep 15 17:26:56 i have considered airplay, though haven' had time to download it and try it out Sep 15 17:26:59 codeslaw_: linkinus styles are just css/html/js anyway so it holds up nice Sep 15 17:27:07 cool Sep 15 17:27:21 drudge: and thats teh beauty of webos Sep 15 17:27:41 Anivrom: exactly Sep 15 17:27:52 and that's the beauty of web standards Sep 15 17:28:05 huzzah Sep 15 17:28:33 sugardave: fyi ---------> this.controller.stageController.setWindowProperties({fastAccelerometer:true}); Sep 15 17:28:43 Anivrom: is wIRC yours? Sep 15 17:28:46 30hz instead of 4 Sep 15 17:28:51 drudge: I wish Sep 15 17:28:59 there are a few devs involved Sep 15 17:29:14 Main one is oil I think. and halfhalo_srv does a bit when he's not lazy Sep 15 17:29:21 although that describes oil too Sep 15 17:29:25 But I'm always lazy Sep 15 17:29:31 fact Sep 15 17:29:35 haha Sep 15 17:29:38 you push an update once every few months Sep 15 17:29:39 aren't we all Sep 15 17:30:47 It's really a nice irc program that works well so you might have a hard time finding converts. Sep 15 17:30:55 especially since wIRC is beloved in the community Sep 15 17:30:57 but who knows Sep 15 17:31:04 i'm not worried Sep 15 17:31:08 great Sep 15 17:31:15 anyways its good to see more development in that area Sep 15 17:31:21 wIRC is the windows of webos Sep 15 17:31:52 the work i'm doing is not 100% webOS, i actually started this in node.js with the intent on creating a web version as well so either way it's cool Sep 15 17:31:55 halfhalo_srv: when's your client gonna hit stores? Sep 15 17:32:04 great Sep 15 17:32:13 I use chatzilla out of necessity not want Sep 15 17:32:24 yay for more irc options? Sep 15 17:32:44 ? My client? Sep 15 17:32:55 Yea your webos node irc client Sep 15 17:32:57 silly Sep 15 17:33:42 oh... Never. It's was more of a learn to use node thing than anything else Sep 15 17:33:48 oh Sep 15 17:33:58 If you want the source it's out there somewhere Sep 15 17:34:03 nah. Sep 15 17:34:09 got my own issues lol Sep 15 17:34:32 man i hope webos 2.0 really takes off Sep 15 17:34:36 so i can quit my day job for a while Sep 15 17:34:41 the early access program link being an email really threw me ha Sep 15 17:34:53 me too Sep 15 17:34:58 I was like.. what do I do what do I do Sep 15 17:35:08 i just never expected a response Sep 15 17:35:10 * oil writes codes for the wircs Sep 15 17:35:11 and halfhalo_srv was whispering in my ear DOIT DOIT DOIT Sep 15 17:35:20 i guess i'm just too used to apple's workings Sep 15 17:35:27 and I wuz likes but I CANT Sep 15 17:35:29 its too hard! Sep 15 17:40:19 Urg... Network still down Sep 15 17:41:56 * halfhalo_srv blames oil Sep 15 17:43:50 Hahahaha Sep 15 17:44:06 halfhalo_srv: "oil: I don't even know why I bother searching the logs for my name, its always blames oil" LOLOL Sep 15 17:44:31 Does GPS not work on emulator Sep 15 17:44:32 ? Sep 15 17:44:41 The firewall went into oh shit mode due to outage Sep 15 17:44:56 hmm Sep 15 17:44:59 i should i see Sep 15 17:45:09 :/ Sep 15 17:45:25 we only tease you cause we <3 you oil Sep 15 17:45:25 * halfhalo_srv pats oil on the back Sep 15 17:45:45 Yeeeees lets go with that Sep 15 17:45:50 now where the HECK IS MY GPS COUNTRY CHECK THINGY Sep 15 17:46:09 you were supposed to have pushed the update at 3:23am this morning Sep 15 17:46:24 how the heck am I supposed to know what country I live in when I logon to wIRC? Sep 15 17:46:38 I'm like a lost puppy Sep 15 17:46:45 pull out your license, and look at it Sep 15 17:46:56 Lol Sep 15 17:46:57 why not just open wirc and have it tell me? Sep 15 17:47:00 makes more sense! Sep 15 17:47:16 Because... It doesn't ? Sep 15 17:48:16 I give up. can't depend on ppl to serve me around here Sep 15 17:48:17 yeah, if you dont know what country you're in, not using wirc is a good thing for all of us here in #webos Sep 15 17:48:27 Lol Sep 15 17:48:51 * halfhalo_srv agrees Sep 15 17:50:50 /me is bored Sep 15 17:51:11 iPad phial Sep 15 17:51:34 lol ares has a system services non visual component called Time, description is, retrieve the system time. guess its their bloated version of the date object Sep 15 17:51:54 its basically a widget you drag on Sep 15 17:52:44 Hah Sep 15 17:53:21 I mean I understand its supposed to ease ppl into programming, but thats a little extreme. Sep 15 17:53:46 they are gonna need to know atleast some js to program in ares anyways, and date object isnt exactly a conceptual thing. Sep 15 17:56:28 damn gps is sloooooooow Sep 15 17:57:42 embrace the dark side, Anivrom Sep 15 17:57:50 nooooooooo Sep 15 17:58:07 * Anivrom runs from haeffb_pre Sep 15 17:58:20 we have cookies Sep 15 17:58:31 * Anivrom turns around Sep 15 17:58:34 what was that? Sep 15 17:58:43 !!! Sep 15 17:58:51 Network be back up? Sep 15 17:59:03 * Anivrom eyes glaze over and helplessly walks towards sugardave like an insect to a bright light Sep 15 18:00:11 Lol Sep 15 18:00:30 Ze LAN be down... One of the wifi networks is still up and running Sep 15 18:00:38 \o/ Sep 15 18:02:34 We'll.... All the servers are on the lan and so are all the network computers Sep 15 18:02:43 Which means no working! Sep 15 18:21:51 hehe Sep 15 18:22:04 i would like cookies. Sep 15 18:22:11 that would go very well with my coffee Sep 15 18:22:29 mmn coffee Sep 15 18:36:15 how was the node meetup? Sep 15 18:36:21 give me every embarassing detail! Sep 15 18:36:44 oh yea that was yesterday Sep 15 18:36:49 wish i could have gone Sep 15 18:40:44 I'm sure you'll be able to watch the video soon enough Sep 15 18:41:41 they gave out C40s to everyone Sep 15 18:41:56 you don't even know what c40s are! Sep 15 18:42:18 besides, they were showing up in sprint's system 6 months ago. Whatever it was then, it probably isn't that now! Sep 15 18:42:24 it got type case Sep 15 18:42:26 cast* Sep 15 18:42:54 RoadRunner = (4GPhone*) & C40 Sep 15 18:43:30 C40 = huge transport plane? Sep 15 18:44:24 oh I see Sep 15 18:44:27 sorry I over reacted Sep 15 18:44:30 that's pretty neat Sep 15 18:44:35 so everyone flew home then? Sep 15 18:44:37 c40 === roadrunner eh? Sep 15 18:44:47 codeslaw: no Sep 15 18:44:53 c40 == roadrunner Sep 15 18:45:11 roadrunner === tw cable's fast internet Sep 15 18:45:12 I dont think alexfner knows what he's talking about. so only 2 =='s Sep 15 18:46:29 anyone heard anything else about the roadrunner though? Sep 15 18:46:33 any real details recently? Sep 15 18:46:36 not a thing Sep 15 18:47:04 I heard wiley almost caught him yesterday. thats about it I think Sep 15 18:48:45 1.2 GHz snapdragon Sep 15 18:48:50 3.7 inch screen Sep 15 18:49:06 CDMA/LTE radio for sprint/verizon Sep 15 18:49:20 (sprint is going LTE in Q1 2011) Sep 15 18:49:35 and 400GB of ram Sep 15 18:49:37 that's what i heard Sep 15 18:49:39 haha Sep 15 18:49:53 goodbye tmc works for me Sep 15 18:50:05 so you can have 5000 apps open at once Sep 15 18:50:05 And with compcache, thats like 600gb Sep 15 18:50:23 for me it would be so I can have ALL 5000 apps open at once Sep 15 18:50:33 I got a ton of apps Sep 15 18:51:04 I got apps people don't even know about! Sep 15 18:51:12 mhmmm Sep 15 18:51:35 hard to use a useful app at the appropriate time when you dont even know you have an app for said approrpriate time Sep 15 18:51:49 I have an app that decides which app to use, for those cases Sep 15 18:51:54 my wife had to remind me what trip advisor does when we were looking for a hotel lol Sep 15 18:52:04 I was like... idk if I have a hotels app, go download one Sep 15 18:52:10 "oh here's one, trip advisor" Sep 15 18:52:16 I have that one already, what does it do. Sep 15 18:52:20 "it searches for hotels" Sep 15 18:52:22 oh. Sep 15 18:53:06 what's the terminal command to copy all the files in a directory? Sep 15 18:53:25 cp -r * /destination Sep 15 18:53:32 or whatever your destination is Sep 15 18:54:06 the -r option is to "r"emove all files on your media partition Sep 15 18:54:17 -r is recursive Sep 15 18:54:18 its afeature Sep 15 18:54:35 for those times when you want to copy a folder, AND reformat your phone Sep 15 18:55:13 it's recursive Sep 15 18:55:15 you lose! Sep 15 18:56:35 I have a folder on the USB partition the refuses to be deleted. is there a command to force deletion short of wiping the whole partition? Sep 15 18:56:45 rm -rf Sep 15 18:57:04 rf = remove and format Sep 15 18:57:04 rm -rf / Sep 15 18:57:09 :P Sep 15 18:57:13 bad creationix Sep 15 18:57:19 so if the folder is named iwillneverdie then do rm -rf iwillneverdie Sep 15 18:57:28 Sgnos: rm -rf /media/internal/[bad directory] Sep 15 18:58:07 awesome my shake event isnt even triggering any more lol Sep 15 18:58:14 ok, got it. let me try that Sep 15 18:58:27 arg... stupid wifi doesn't let me use port 9090 Sep 15 18:58:30 I wonder if acceleration events override shake events Sep 15 18:58:37 anyone know? Sep 15 18:58:52 no clue...I thought shake events would be handled by the accelerometer Sep 15 18:58:53 yeah, thanks for the assist Sep 15 18:59:17 well shake events were working fine, but now I have shake and accleration event listeners and I think it stopped working after that but idk Sep 15 18:59:27 gonna see Sep 15 18:59:34 Anivrom: btw -rf in rm means "recursive, force" Sep 15 18:59:44 I was just kidding! Sep 15 18:59:58 the more you know Sep 15 19:00:12 * halfhalo_T400 rm -rf's sugardave Sep 15 19:00:51 Permission denied Sep 15 19:01:03 sudo rm -rf sugardave Sep 15 19:01:03 sudo !! Sep 15 19:01:07 lol Sep 15 19:01:16 user not in sudoers Sep 15 19:01:20 or something Sep 15 19:03:47 wait for it.... Sep 15 19:04:33 THERE we go Sep 15 19:04:35 znc back up Sep 15 19:05:05 halfhalo_T400: you going to switch over to using npm now? Sep 15 19:05:18 Mebe... why... Sep 15 19:05:33 just wondering....looks like it will be The Way Sep 15 19:05:45 I have played with it before Sep 15 19:05:55 I need to finish up these projects so I can get back into some node playgrounds Sep 15 19:18:35 assigning a boolean var a value is essentially just flipping a bit in memory right? virtually no performance hit? Sep 15 19:21:45 no performance hit versus? Sep 15 19:21:58 It's not just that simple, but yes Sep 15 19:22:01 * halfhalo has internets again! Sep 15 19:22:54 uhoh Sep 15 19:23:05 ugh vim key bindings are all different on this machine! Sep 15 19:23:07 RAWR! Sep 15 19:25:37 performance hit as apposed to not assigning the var at all 6 times a second Sep 15 19:25:51 I think it will be fine :P Sep 15 19:29:38 who changes VIM bindings.. Sep 15 19:30:05 EF THIS NOISE i need to go home Sep 15 19:31:01 shit no, i like my vim bindings stock Sep 15 19:31:16 otherwise i'm useless on a different unix system, and then what's the point? Sep 15 19:31:25 exactly Sep 15 19:32:27 if I didn't respect the vim bindings to start with, I'd just use emacs Sep 15 19:32:31 and that's not gonna happen. Sep 15 19:32:39 i used emacs in college Sep 15 19:32:52 but then graduated into the real world? :) Sep 15 19:33:05 basically Sep 15 19:33:15 the /real/ world of using a 1970's based text editor Sep 15 19:33:19 yeah bitches Sep 15 19:34:52 hahaha Sep 15 19:35:11 vi was my nemesis when I started Sep 15 19:35:26 I bet if I had known about emacs, I'd be an emacs guy Sep 15 19:36:03 and I'm still only moderately useul with vi Sep 15 19:38:18 lol Sep 15 19:40:59 Good night Sep 15 19:41:24 my dad told me when he worked for a large financial corporation as a programmer, some guys in the department would only program in vi. no ifs ands or buts Sep 15 19:43:00 but then again he also said they were so good they could write a 300 line program without testing and it would just work. Sep 15 19:44:10 I regularly write 1000s of lines without testing.... Sep 15 19:44:23 what about the "just works" part Sep 15 19:44:24 :P Sep 15 19:45:15 thats me Sep 15 19:45:20 i use vim for everything Sep 15 19:45:24 <3 Sep 15 19:45:27 and these are financial applications. a little different than a log burning, or lights flashing different colours :P Sep 15 19:45:37 lol Sep 15 19:45:42 dont dog the logs, dog Sep 15 19:45:49 dawg? Sep 15 19:45:53 yeeeee Sep 15 19:46:00 i used vim for doing some pretty large scale stuff for lots of servers, etcetc Sep 15 19:46:08 no thank you Sep 15 19:46:10 there are applications in the catalog that were written by me, but not released by me :P Sep 15 19:46:18 haha. Sep 15 19:46:23 and, i definitely borked something and lost lots of $$ when i forgot about daylight savings time Sep 15 19:46:24 oops. Sep 15 19:50:51 sugardave: which? Sep 15 19:51:26 every one in which someone asked, "how do you do this" and he gave them the code Sep 15 19:51:28 lol Sep 15 19:53:07 * oil remembers that Sep 15 19:53:10 * oil sends bills Sep 15 19:55:05 i mean, for the ammount of crap i get blamed for, you'd believe i had my hand in everything :) Sep 15 19:55:14 hahaha Sep 15 19:55:25 lolol Sep 15 19:55:30 everything from global warming, to halfhalo stubbing his toe Sep 15 19:55:51 yea which means you owe halfhalo for his absurd medical bills for siad stubbed toe Sep 15 19:56:09 though, i will admit i have a hand in global warming Sep 15 19:56:19 oh and you owe the polar bears an aplogy too Sep 15 19:56:22 but only because i have stock in an air conditioning manufacturer Sep 15 19:56:54 I knew it Sep 15 19:57:15 you disgust me Sep 15 19:57:34 its all about maximizing profits Sep 15 19:57:55 wont somebody think about the children!!1 Sep 15 19:58:19 i know, they're sweating over there, get them some ac Sep 15 19:58:44 get some ac.... 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Sep 15 19:58:53 srsly Sep 15 19:59:23 although if your AC's are anything like your gulfs, I dont think I want any Sep 15 20:00:41 well Sep 15 20:00:51 if gulfs are rated in number of animals covered in oil Sep 15 20:00:57 then mine is pretty damn good Sep 15 20:01:13 oh, then I'll take 2 Sep 15 20:01:17 loll Sep 15 20:02:04 \o/ Sep 15 20:02:43 and they come with a free air conditioner Sep 15 20:02:51 and by free, i mean, after mail in rebate Sep 15 20:02:55 which you'll never do Sep 15 20:03:04 :( its true Sep 15 20:03:05 *allow 6-8 weeks Sep 15 20:03:21 that's a sweet ride in a 6-month CD Sep 15 20:03:53 and if your product does not come within 6-8 weeks feel free to get the runaround by calling our toll free number 1-888-we-dont-care Sep 15 20:04:09 lol, there is no toll free number Sep 15 20:04:21 you pay all charges Sep 15 20:04:24 sure there is, and its outsourced to india for pennies a day Sep 15 20:04:40 its a 1-900 number Sep 15 20:04:45 and its outsourced to your mom Sep 15 20:04:46 oh I see Sep 15 20:04:51 haha Sep 15 20:07:09 and she'd do a DARN GOOD JOB TOO Sep 15 20:07:24 she better be getting full benefits and stock options Sep 15 20:09:31 lol Sep 15 20:18:08 protip: Sprint will give you an instant rebate through telesales if you ask for it nicely. Sep 15 20:18:50 might have to check with a supervisor, but I've never has a mail-in rebate Sep 15 20:19:31 ooh Sep 15 20:19:49 i've had 3 sprint mail rebates Sep 15 20:19:56 but instant sounds better Sep 15 20:21:54 "i'd like to buy this new phone and extend my contract, but don't want to wait for the rebate. Can you give me an instant rebate instead?" Sep 15 20:22:56 one of my sprint rebates never came Sep 15 20:23:01 for the pre that I bought Sep 15 20:25:47 alexfner: they gave me your rebate too. sorry. Sep 15 20:26:18 no, I gave you my rebate Sep 15 20:26:23 I kept trying to tell you Sep 15 20:26:31 that was your only give for christmas last year Sep 15 20:27:40 gift* Sep 15 20:27:42 silly me Sep 15 20:39:55 is it just me, or is canvas really wonky on webos? Sep 15 20:41:44 no its fine Sep 15 20:41:53 its oils fault Sep 15 20:41:58 are you getting the glitch where it stretches the image only to half the screen creationx? Sep 15 20:43:16 if so you have to declare the height and width inline like this. Sep 15 20:43:22 gotta go look at some cars bbl Sep 15 20:43:29 shiny cars? Sep 15 20:44:07 no, I'm getting really weird behavior with save(), restore(), and rotate() Sep 15 20:44:09 halfhalo: must be Sep 15 20:44:37 blame oil creationix. Its like a national pastime now Sep 15 20:44:46 I'm trying to draw the clock from https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Basic_animations Sep 15 20:44:50 it's all sorts of messed up Sep 15 20:45:04 creationix: I had tried that way back, it doesn't work, as setTransform is not supported Sep 15 20:45:10 and by inserting random ctx.save();ctx.restore(); lines in the code, changes the weirdness Sep 15 20:45:11 so your origin is not moving Sep 15 20:45:50 that demo relies around rotating teh canvas to draw stuff Sep 15 20:45:53 so I have to translate/rotate before every drawing call? Sep 15 20:46:02 you can still do it, but you need to use trigonometry Sep 15 20:46:23 sines and cosines to draw a circle Sep 15 20:46:29 essentially, that code is quite useless Sep 15 20:46:38 let me see if I can grab something that would be helpful to you Sep 15 20:48:02 I'll have to get git working, but for now I will just email you it Sep 15 20:48:27 but translate and friends seem to work Sep 15 20:48:37 they just don't preserve state very well Sep 15 20:48:46 s/work/do something/ Sep 15 20:52:54 alexfner: so we have transform, but not setTransform? Sep 15 20:53:14 and rotate/scale/translate are just helpers that internally use the broken setTransform? Sep 15 20:53:37 I couldn't tell you, the implementation is wonky at best Sep 15 20:53:47 I have avoided using anything that moves or rotates around the origin Sep 15 20:53:56 as it doesn't seem to work like I expected Sep 15 20:54:47 very weird, signed into gmail in one browser, and i open up gmail in another browser, i am signed in, seems like a very big security problem/ Sep 15 20:57:43 alexfner: I'm just trying to understand it so I can write code that works in working both chrome and palm Sep 15 21:06:27 what no lineCap either? how old is this webkit? Sep 15 21:06:56 lol Sep 15 21:15:01 i see there is a video of webos 2.0 on youtube. Is that legal? Sep 15 21:15:14 nope Sep 15 21:15:16 looks like webos is still slow Sep 15 21:15:25 seriously? Sep 15 21:15:27 not sure why palm hasn't removed it yet Sep 15 21:15:31 i wonder if palm can do somethign to speed things up Sep 15 21:15:42 rolsworth: you can't judge webos' speed on the emulator Sep 15 21:15:44 maybe get that guy a faster machine Sep 15 21:15:50 yeah... Sep 15 21:16:05 looks to load apps the same exact way Sep 15 21:17:14 the guy said it will be taken down later today Sep 15 21:17:15 lets not talk about it here. Sep 15 21:17:51 i honestly don't see th ebig deal. Nothing much has changed based on what I have seen so far Sep 15 21:30:33 alright, got the clock example ported to webos's canvas http://github.com/creationix/builder/tree/98d9f957147e446da770a638b55018c1fdd3466c Sep 15 21:30:52 my webkit friends here tell me, it's probably an easy fix Sep 15 21:31:34 my office is full of tools Sep 15 21:32:24 rolsworth: overclock your phone and get over it Sep 15 21:33:04 already did that and still slow. Sep 15 21:33:29 from what frame of reference do you consider it slow Sep 15 21:33:40 slower than your quad core dell? Sep 15 21:45:25 hmm, does the property change event in text fields fire when you focus on a text field? Sep 15 21:46:40 haeffb: ping Sep 15 21:46:50 nice creationix Sep 15 21:47:07 I'm now uploading it to the app store as an excersize Sep 15 21:47:15 this is much nicer than apple so far Sep 15 21:47:21 lol Sep 15 21:48:10 creationix: you need to use scenes Sep 15 21:48:24 Tibfib: why? Sep 15 21:48:28 better. Sep 15 21:48:29 lol Sep 15 21:48:34 I don't like them Sep 15 21:48:36 bloat to me Sep 15 21:49:05 app menus don't work Sep 15 21:49:25 although since you don't include mojo, I don't know what's gonna happen Sep 15 21:49:33 yeah, it's an experiment Sep 15 21:49:42 of course everything mojo does, you can do in pure js Sep 15 21:49:48 I'll add features as I need them Sep 15 21:49:54 or maybe switch to mojo eventually Sep 15 21:50:36 lemketron: ping Sep 15 21:51:41 "The IPK file you uploaded contains content that is not yet allowed." Sep 15 21:51:51 I guess it doesn't like my directory structure Sep 15 21:52:05 or you have hte 2.0 sdk Sep 15 21:52:14 yup Sep 15 21:52:20 ahh, good point Sep 15 21:52:29 * creationix goes to download the 1.4.5 sdk Sep 15 21:53:58 anyone remember if there's a change in the 60 sec do-stuff-before-the-app-closes limit in 2.0? Please PM me if you do (nda) Sep 15 21:54:35 you can only have one version of the sdk installed at once? Sep 15 21:54:40 yeap Sep 15 21:54:52 that stinks Sep 15 21:54:55 oh well Sep 15 21:54:56 yeap. Sep 15 22:01:37 holy crap http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2010/09/15 Sep 15 22:01:49 creationix: windows or mac Sep 15 22:01:51 or linux Sep 15 22:01:58 mac Sep 15 22:05:23 one sec Sep 15 22:05:44 http://blog.zhephree.com/post/1084012522/how-to-package-webos-apps-as-1-4-5-apps-with-2-0-sdk Sep 15 22:05:48 tib Sep 15 22:05:51 HOLY CRAP Sep 15 22:06:15 free climb?!?! Sep 15 22:06:22 codeslaw: yeah, ridiculous Sep 15 22:07:49 codeslaw: it goes on and on and on and on Sep 15 22:07:57 up and up Sep 15 22:08:16 yeah, I was getting nervous at the beginning >.< Sep 15 22:08:40 seriously Sep 15 22:17:50 that video is nuts Sep 15 22:18:10 "only 60 ft. to go!" Sep 15 22:19:12 k bbl **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 15 23:16:14 2010 Sep 15 23:20:57 yeah, the tower thing Sep 15 23:21:21 they probably don't do it every day, though, so the underwear bill might not be exorbitant Sep 15 23:26:44 so i've decided the beer i made is going to be "already drunk drink" Sep 15 23:26:55 because i can't drink a lot of it haha Sep 15 23:28:05 yo Sep 15 23:29:29 yo yo codeslaw Sep 15 23:32:31 yo yo yo Nyceane Sep 15 23:33:03 * haeffb needs to figure out how to make two stages (card & dashboard) talk to one another Sep 15 23:34:34 but first, disc 1 of season 1 of Breaking Bad Sep 16 00:43:18 creationix: ping Sep 16 00:43:29 pong Sep 16 00:43:43 did you get that wonky canvas thing sorted out? Sep 16 00:43:50 mostly Sep 16 00:44:00 basically webOS's canvas version is really old Sep 16 00:44:05 you can't use rotate Sep 16 00:44:15 and the transforms act funny Sep 16 00:44:16 well its not fully implemented Sep 16 00:44:20 yea Sep 16 00:44:25 i was able to use rotate Sep 16 00:44:26 its got bugs Sep 16 00:44:53 I ended up doing lots of http://github.com/creationix/com.creationix.canvasclock/blob/master/clock.js#L31-36 Sep 16 00:45:17 now I'm working on porting a non-trivial game Sep 16 00:45:19 :) Sep 16 00:45:39 is there anywhere that documents the implemented and not-implemented parts of canvas Sep 16 00:45:59 yea. its halfbaked implemenation Sep 16 00:46:02 I made a page like that for node http://github.com/ry/node/wiki/ECMA-5-Mozilla-Features-Implemented-in-V8 Sep 16 00:46:21 anyone know if we'll get a newer version before 2.0 goes gold? Sep 16 00:46:30 or heard rumors Sep 16 00:46:33 hahaha Sep 16 00:46:45 mebe.... Sep 16 00:46:48 that's a good one Sep 16 00:47:40 see, I really can't think of anything to do with node and webos right now and its making me sad... Sep 16 00:54:15 sugardave: did you see my paste about the 2nd accelerometer speed you were hinting at? Sep 16 00:55:58 halfhalo: it will come Sep 16 00:56:16 does anyone know how to do sync xhr of local files? Sep 16 00:57:38 http://github.com/creationix/com.creationix.sousaball/blob/master/engine.js#L3-19 Sep 16 00:57:42 works fine in browsers Sep 16 00:57:53 doesn't seem to work on webOS Sep 16 01:00:53 there is an old document about canvas http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1682 Sep 16 01:01:00 but it is kinda sketchy Sep 16 01:01:11 still have to try/verify things Sep 16 01:02:03 qillerneu: cool, thanks Sep 16 01:02:33 yea its really sketchy Sep 16 01:02:40 I had a look at that. Sep 16 01:03:16 * halfhalo has been trying to think of a node/webos combo for a looooooong time Sep 16 01:03:18 creationix: that article does explain which rotation transformations work in webos's implementation of canvas though Sep 16 01:03:42 well, they do Sep 16 01:03:48 but you have to be creative Sep 16 01:03:57 I see Sep 16 01:04:37 the most consistent way i found something like http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?loe34a1vtdaq Sep 16 01:04:54 use transform to push image to the right place and rotate Sep 16 01:05:11 yea Sep 16 01:06:12 someone give me an idea Sep 16 01:07:13 data syncing Sep 16 01:07:18 halfhalo: ^ Sep 16 01:07:55 anyone know why my xhr comes back with status code 200, but no body? Sep 16 01:08:14 I'm getting {"readyState":4,"onloadstart":null,"withCredentials":false,"onerror":null,"onabort":null,"onreadystatechange":null,"status":200,"responseXML":null,"onload":null,"onprogress":null,"upload":{"onloadstart":null,"onabort":null,"onerror":null,"onload":null,"onprogress":null},"statusText":"","responseText":""} Sep 16 01:21:13 good evening everyone Sep 16 01:27:41 anybody ever seen hintText for a TextField floated to the right? Sep 16 01:29:47 sugardave: do not think i have... Sep 16 01:33:07 Is there any reason why the value for label1 only works in the setup function and not this one? It only shows the first alert and not the second. http://pastie.org/1161954 Sep 16 01:33:11 sugardave: is it a bug, u are trying to fix? Sep 16 01:34:26 LoneStar99: client's diagram shows hinttext to the right...I thought he had cut and paste from somewhere, but now I'm not so sure Sep 16 01:34:31 eatin' time Sep 16 01:34:44 weird Sep 16 01:34:52 never seen it like that Sep 16 01:36:21 twbbas: u have a listner in se3tup? Sep 16 01:36:56 Do I need one with Ares? Sep 16 01:37:16 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('your-div'), Mojo.Event.tap, this.receivesuccess.bindAsEventListener(this)); Sep 16 01:37:44 twbbas: u need 2 ask anivrom, he uses ares Sep 16 01:37:46 Oh, the function receivesuccess calls fine Sep 16 01:38:04 It's just that it has some problem with the this.controller part I think when I put it in another function besides setup Sep 16 01:38:34 twbbas: whats the problem? Sep 16 01:39:16 your code should work Sep 16 01:39:19 http://pastie.org/1161954 The value for label1 isn't calling properly in that function but it calls in the setup function Sep 16 01:39:34 twbbas: try "Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get" Sep 16 01:39:53 twbbas: are you using ares? Sep 16 01:39:57 LoneStar99: Instead of this.controller.get? Sep 16 01:40:00 Anivrom: Yes Sep 16 01:40:01 yeah Sep 16 01:40:31 twbbas: setup a breakpoint on the 2nd alert line and type this.controller.get("label1").innerHTML into the debug command line and see what comes up Sep 16 01:40:58 LoneStar99: That worked great! Thanks. Sep 16 01:41:11 great Sep 16 01:41:14 Anivrom: what do you mean breakpoint? Sep 16 01:41:26 (I'm still interested into as why it didn't work) Sep 16 01:41:27 oh, you dont know about ares debugger? Sep 16 01:41:41 It's never worked for me Sep 16 01:41:45 How do I use it? Sep 16 01:41:46 It didnt work because "this" wasn't the same "this" your scene is used to Sep 16 01:41:53 I mean the reference has changed Sep 16 01:41:57 ah ok Sep 16 01:41:58 its not the this of your scene Sep 16 01:42:09 So what should I do to test it? Sep 16 01:42:15 I found the debug Sep 16 01:42:15 well Sep 16 01:42:21 click on Sep 16 01:42:47 then in the margin rght beside the line numbers in your code just click and a red dot appears Sep 16 01:43:27 twbbas: following me so far? Sep 16 01:43:33 Yeah, got the red dot Sep 16 01:43:49 ok so now when you run your code, your program will stop at that line and just wait Sep 16 01:43:57 hence the "break" point Sep 16 01:44:04 Ok cool, running Sep 16 01:44:14 you can use the > arrow to continue your code Sep 16 01:44:38 or you can use the button 2 over of the > to step through 1 line at a time Sep 16 01:45:03 And you can also type any var into the debug command line at the bottom and it will show you the DOM and value Sep 16 01:46:16 Where does it show me the DOM and value? I typed in "this" then "this.controller.... " lines and it hasn't shown anything Sep 16 01:46:27 it should show up on the right Sep 16 01:46:33 Oh nevermind, it took a while Sep 16 01:46:33 in the DOM tab Sep 16 01:46:38 yea it does Sep 16 01:46:59 Here's what "this" is: this: # Sep 16 01:47:05 What does that mean? Sep 16 01:47:09 lol Sep 16 01:47:18 depends. does it have a tree? Sep 16 01:47:42 Uhh, what's that mean? =p Sep 16 01:47:54 can you click different things int he DOM view and expand them? Sep 16 01:47:58 ares... *giggles* Sep 16 01:48:00 double click "this" Sep 16 01:48:17 oh ok, yeah. Sep 16 01:48:20 Stuff popped up Sep 16 01:48:30 Do you see $ and controller as items? Sep 16 01:49:12 No, I don't think so Sep 16 01:49:30 then its not your scene's "this" Sep 16 01:49:49 its the functions "this" which means it doesn't have a controller and you can't reference your divs in the this.controller.get method Sep 16 01:49:53 Hmm, what would cause the change then? Sep 16 01:50:07 Well as sugardave says, its called function scope Sep 16 01:50:38 What you can do is when you call the function, call it like this recievesuccess(this); Sep 16 01:50:38 Eh, this is all beyond me Sep 16 01:50:46 oh ok Sep 16 01:50:59 What about my "response" variable? Sep 16 01:51:01 and in your function set it up like this receivesuccess = function(response,this) Sep 16 01:51:08 keep it Sep 16 01:51:09 Ah, ok Sep 16 01:51:16 I blieve thats how it works Sep 16 01:51:19 Tibfib: Sep 16 01:51:22 Thanks for the info Sep 16 01:51:29 Anivrom: Sep 16 01:51:31 It's happened before but I've always found a workaround before Sep 16 01:51:39 Nice to know why it happens now Sep 16 01:51:47 can you either confirm or deny the validity of my advice on passing this into his function? Sep 16 01:52:07 http://pastie.org/1161954 Sep 16 01:52:22 twbbas: I dont quite understand it myself Sep 16 01:52:27 he shouldn't need to pass it. Sep 16 01:52:36 apparently "this" is getting lost Sep 16 01:52:39 It's okay. You made me understand it more than I did before Sep 16 01:53:00 twbbas: how are you calling it? Sep 16 01:53:18 .bind(this) Sep 16 01:53:22 > twbbas: try "Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get" works tibfib, so it must be a bad ref to this Sep 16 01:53:28 Tibfib: That wrong way I found now. Without that bind(this) thing Sep 16 01:53:38 Tibfib: regarding propertyChange event - not called on focus akaik Sep 16 01:54:00 haeffb: dangit. thankss Sep 16 01:54:35 haeffb: not sarcastic, I really do appreciate it :) Sep 16 01:54:43 Well thanks a lot guys. I've been getting this same problem before and now I found how to fix it. :D Sep 16 01:55:08 twbbas: umm, this.function(), or if you need to bind it, this.function.bind(this) Sep 16 01:55:29 twbbas: you can alternatively use what LoneStar99 suggested but it isnt the efficient method since it has to look up the tree Sep 16 01:55:39 Tibfib: Thanks. I'll use that from now on Sep 16 01:55:50 passing this ensures proper scope and also ensures the quickest way to "this" Sep 16 01:56:03 what if I want this to be that? Sep 16 01:56:06 which would be important if you are using it in a game for instance Sep 16 01:56:08 yeah, that would work... but you shouldn't ahve to do that Sep 16 01:56:17 sugardave: I wouldnt know anything about that, but I know about this Sep 16 01:56:24 lol Sep 16 01:56:37 Mojo.Controller... is a perfectly acceptable alternative Sep 16 01:56:38 I know everything about that... but only a bit about this Sep 16 01:57:09 sugardave: it is, unless you are retrieving it multiple times a second say in a game loop. then it becomes very wasteful Sep 16 01:57:37 since this.controller is a reference to some Mojo.Controller...I call shenanigans Sep 16 01:58:14 Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get is what we're talking about Sep 16 01:58:30 I agree mojo.controller is acceptable Sep 16 01:58:39 but doing Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get to get to "this" would be wasteful Sep 16 01:59:13 but it's the same thing? Sep 16 01:59:18 var myControllerIsBetterThanYours = Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getActiveStageController().activeScene(); Sep 16 01:59:30 sugardave: single stage app Sep 16 01:59:34 ... I think Sep 16 02:00:01 no it isnt the same thing. in the longer version you have to access the stagecontroller and execute the method active scene which then has to retrieve the active scene and then execute get Sep 16 02:00:03 it will still work :D there's always an app controller Sep 16 02:00:15 instead of going straight to the controller Sep 16 02:00:16 sugardave: interesting Sep 16 02:01:00 in loops it is probably slower Sep 16 02:01:21 but shit works great for "external" code ;) Sep 16 02:01:27 thats what I was saying. It wouldnt matter unless you're using it in a game loop several times a sex Sep 16 02:01:29 second Sep 16 02:01:42 O_O Sep 16 02:02:33 why have i not heard about getty before... Sep 16 02:02:55 sugardave: you are right though, your code is more portable and modular Sep 16 02:15:05 bedtime. Hopefully gonna have a car by the end of the week weeeeeee Sep 16 02:15:12 sebring lx. Sep 16 02:15:15 Anivrom: night Sep 16 02:15:16 ew Sep 16 02:15:19 I know Sep 16 02:15:23 * Tibfib wants a car Sep 16 02:15:23 I hate dodges Sep 16 02:15:23 why a sebring? Sep 16 02:15:29 Cause it's cheap Sep 16 02:15:35 how cheap? Sep 16 02:15:42 Would you prefer a taurus? lol Sep 16 02:15:46 .// wrists Sep 16 02:15:49 lol Sep 16 02:15:52 * halfhalo shudders at sebring Sep 16 02:16:00 what year taurus Sep 16 02:16:00 my nissan frontier was $8k Sep 16 02:16:02 isn't that what michael scott drives? Sep 16 02:16:03 and it's amazing Sep 16 02:16:11 get a truck Sep 16 02:16:15 cars are useless Sep 16 02:16:16 3500 all in includes 6 month powertrain warranty Sep 16 02:17:05 idk what year taurus but it was 2k Sep 16 02:17:28 get a truck Sep 16 02:17:44 I'm at the point where its getting cold in canada and I dont wanna take the almost 2 hour trip each way to work everyday Sep 16 02:18:00 * halfhalo would get a volvo 850 for that type of money Sep 16 02:18:46 truck Sep 16 02:18:51 not a fan of volvos Sep 16 02:19:02 Wolvenhaven: smaller the better for me and vehicles Sep 16 02:19:07 I love a nice hatchback Sep 16 02:19:10 helicopter Sep 16 02:19:14 i've got a left hand drive '82 5 speed volvo if you want it Sep 16 02:19:16 I hate any volvo made after ford bought them and completely ruined them, but hte 850 and s70 were amaving Sep 16 02:19:16 row boat. Sep 16 02:19:20 you can have it for free Sep 16 02:19:27 just pay shipping Sep 16 02:19:28 no thanks. Sep 16 02:19:33 please Sep 16 02:19:35 take it Sep 16 02:19:37 we can't get rid of it Sep 16 02:19:38 heh Sep 16 02:19:47 we inherited that POS and it's impossible to get rid of Sep 16 02:19:54 2.5L Steel block inline 5.... Sep 16 02:19:58 * halfhalo drools Sep 16 02:20:07 lol Sep 16 02:20:12 we've got bmws Sep 16 02:20:16 :P Sep 16 02:20:35 I am tired of car shopping. I'm getting impatient, so I'm just gonna get this car. Sep 16 02:20:40 My first car was the base engined 1995 850 Sep 16 02:20:46 my friend has a porshe turboS Sep 16 02:20:56 porche* Sep 16 02:21:04 i had an 83 volvo Sep 16 02:21:05 Even with no turbo it still held its own against a 2000 mustang Sep 16 02:21:32 lol Sep 16 02:21:36 my mom has a mini cooper Sep 16 02:21:41 it beats mustangs Sep 16 02:21:43 Now I drive a highlander and it makes me sad Sep 16 02:21:45 and it's engine is the size of a shoebox Sep 16 02:21:58 the volvo weighed more than my house... Sep 16 02:22:18 It was made of sheet metal and concrete Sep 16 02:22:22 yea Sep 16 02:22:24 they are Sep 16 02:22:45 still are :P Sep 16 02:22:49 But the did have AMAZING turbo's... Sep 16 02:22:57 No, now their just POS Sep 16 02:23:24 sheet metal and lead padding Sep 16 02:30:53 dodge ram 1500 gets 28 mpg. not bad Sep 16 02:32:22 bullshit Sep 16 02:32:26 Wolvenhaven: i have the Cooper S, my wife has the Cooper :) Sep 16 02:32:37 please tell me you got manuals Sep 16 02:32:47 the automatic gearbox defeats the entire purpose of a sports car Sep 16 02:33:01 I do, yeah. but my wife has the later model that has paddle shifts on the "automatic" tranny Sep 16 02:33:12 * halfhalo has never had a manual car Sep 16 02:33:15 oh, a flappy paddle gearbox Sep 16 02:33:16 dangitttt... anyone have the 1.4.5 palm-install? Sep 16 02:33:20 flappy paddle indeed :) Sep 16 02:33:25 * halfhalo has also never bought a car himself Sep 16 02:33:28 * pandora-- loves me some top gear Sep 16 02:33:31 lol Sep 16 02:33:39 * halfhalo has every season downloaded Sep 16 02:33:39 the cooperS is awesome with a 6 speed Sep 16 02:33:50 * Gu1l7y_work loves top gear and paddle shifters... Sep 16 02:33:51 or the webos-tools.jar? Sep 16 02:33:58 hell, my truck is a 5 speed :P Sep 16 02:34:13 * halfhalo has a 4 speed auto Sep 16 02:34:31 * Gu1l7y_work has a 7 speed sequential. Sep 16 02:34:39 lol Sep 16 02:34:43 ? Sep 16 02:34:53 my friend's porche has like 8 gears or something insane like that Sep 16 02:34:57 and a double clutch Sep 16 02:35:07 that can shift faster than a person Sep 16 02:35:30 it's amazing Sep 16 02:35:34 Yea, my merc can shift 60 times faster than the human eye can blink. Sep 16 02:35:35 i'm not allowed to drive it :( Sep 16 02:36:08 he also won't let me ride his ducati 1200 though Sep 16 02:36:14 Hitting 7th gear full throttle feels like its gonna rip the motor outta the hood. Sep 16 02:36:26 i don't like mercs Sep 16 02:36:41 get a slk black and you will... Sep 16 02:36:47 i've driven an slk Sep 16 02:36:56 also the front end looks like a giant camel toe Sep 16 02:37:12 I like mine. Sep 16 02:37:16 amg ftw Sep 16 02:37:24 i'll stick with audi and porche Sep 16 02:37:42 * halfhalo wants a jaaaaag Sep 16 02:37:49 I do too. Sep 16 02:37:50 jags break a lot Sep 16 02:37:55 Just for the luxury Sep 16 02:38:17 Besides, they all break a lot. Sep 16 02:38:19 anyone an db9 aston martin with 6000 miles? Sep 16 02:38:30 much? Sep 16 02:38:31 an = want to buy Sep 16 02:38:41 much? Sep 16 02:39:00 lol Sep 16 02:39:02 not sure... Sep 16 02:39:07 pfft Sep 16 02:39:08 $300k Sep 16 02:39:12 heh Sep 16 02:39:16 nice car though, but out of warranty Sep 16 02:39:24 guys, I've got a cold Sep 16 02:39:28 pity me! Sep 16 02:39:28 eeh! Sep 16 02:39:33 Pity! Sep 16 02:39:43 i like the dbs look better Sep 16 02:39:49 my dad is looking at getting the vanquish Sep 16 02:39:54 alexfner: drink a shot of tequila Sep 16 02:40:01 lol. just finished reading a few reviews our of 57 on the chrysler sebrings apparent engine problems. Guess I wont be buying it afterall Sep 16 02:40:18 Hell no! POS's Sep 16 02:40:18 good Sep 16 02:40:21 their crap Sep 16 02:40:31 ^^what he said^^ Sep 16 02:41:07 apparently the temps give false readings and thus doesn't cool teh engine enoughw hich breaks the oil down and generates oil sludge in the engine, resulting in fairly rapid engine failure 87miles or so Sep 16 02:41:10 87,000 Sep 16 02:41:30 lol, I was like "87?" Sep 16 02:41:45 well, it IS chrysler Sep 16 02:41:45 lol Sep 16 02:41:51 mhmmm. Sep 16 02:41:55 will be giving my car to the gardener in less than 30 days Sep 16 02:41:56 i drive cars fast hard and rough Sep 16 02:41:59 i'd cause it to explode Sep 16 02:42:15 LoneStar99 you've got a db9 in texas i assume? Sep 16 02:42:59 Can anyone attest to the quality of an intrigue 3.5L v6? Sep 16 02:43:14 Wolvenhaven: not me but a friend of my dad's it must be a 2006 or 2007 Sep 16 02:43:31 he is selling it, he paid 200K Sep 16 02:43:50 what's the depreciation on it? Sep 16 02:43:57 no clue Sep 16 02:44:27 alexfner: I'm starting to get the aches and pains too Sep 16 02:44:38 did I give it to you? Sep 16 02:44:42 well if it's under like $75k Sep 16 02:44:54 just recently ran out of warranty, he dished out $15k for some repairs Sep 16 02:45:01 yea. I think you passed it on via a function arg in one of your faulty code pastings Sep 16 02:53:00 hello bmyers Sep 16 02:53:14 hi Sep 16 02:53:45 db9 still for sale? Sep 16 02:54:29 they're kinda pointless though Sep 16 02:54:44 at top speed you burn through a like 30gal fueltank in 19min or something stupid like that Sep 16 02:55:44 Bmyers: yeah Sep 16 02:57:00 thats good. nice car, if you're an international secret spy Sep 16 02:57:03 used to live by a high end car dealer in la jolla Sep 16 02:58:07 the most expensive car was some mercedes benz from like 1950 which only about 2 or 3 exsist 15million Sep 16 02:58:58 gull wing or something? Sep 16 02:59:33 neah older like one of the first racing cars Sep 16 02:59:51 maybe older than 1950 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 16 02:59:57 2010