**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 16 02:59:57 2010
Sep 16 03:00:30 <Bmyers> what do you drive now ?
Sep 16 03:00:55 <Gu1l7y_work> 1940 Mercedes Benz 770k
Sep 16 03:01:01 <Gu1l7y_work> @ Lone
Sep 16 03:01:22 <LoneStar99> nope
Sep 16 03:01:37 <daddysmurf> wtf is wrong with you people?
Sep 16 03:01:48 <LoneStar99> 1995 jeep cherokee, giving it away
Sep 16 03:01:55 <daddysmurf> get a kia and spend the rest on hookers, you'll be much happier
Sep 16 03:01:57 <LoneStar99> in less than a month
Sep 16 03:02:11 <Gu1l7y_work> I have a 1996 Jeep cherokee. lol
Sep 16 03:02:14 <Wolvenhaven> lol
Sep 16 03:02:21 <Wolvenhaven> i've got a 2001 nissan frontier
Sep 16 03:02:24 <Wolvenhaven> it's a beast, i love it
Sep 16 03:02:45 <daddysmurf> 04 saturn, bought it for 10k, worth a case of beer now...
Sep 16 03:03:11 <john1313> what's happening
Sep 16 03:03:15 <Bmyers> saturn. the "we give hugs to car buyers" people
Sep 16 03:03:48 <LoneStar99> lol
Sep 16 03:03:54 <john1313> saturn are good cars
Sep 16 03:04:37 <Bmyers> where.. they are no more..
Sep 16 03:05:12 <Gu1l7y_work> LoneStar99: Are you really giving it away?
Sep 16 03:05:16 <Wolvenhaven> get a fucked over redone dodge
Sep 16 03:05:17 <LoneStar99> yeah
Sep 16 03:05:24 <Gu1l7y_work> To?
Sep 16 03:05:55 <Gu1l7y_work> To who?
Sep 16 03:06:05 <daddysmurf> I hate my saturn... but at the time, it's all I could afford
Sep 16 03:06:08 <LoneStar99> antonio, the landscaper
Sep 16 03:06:14 <Gu1l7y_work> bleh
Sep 16 03:06:26 <LoneStar99> the mercedes is like one of these cars http://uoid.me/car2
Sep 16 03:06:31 <daddysmurf> it was that and still be able to smoke or a pontiac and lots of nicorette
Sep 16 03:07:59 <Gu1l7y_work> LoneStar99: Mercedes Simplex
Sep 16 03:08:19 <Gu1l7y_work> 1902-1909
Sep 16 03:08:59 <Bmyers> u should get something a little newer...
Sep 16 03:09:23 <Gu1l7y_work> lol
Sep 16 03:09:31 <LoneStar99> Gu1l7y_work:  it was rounder
Sep 16 03:09:55 <Gu1l7y_work> There was more than one iteration of the simplex
Sep 16 03:10:11 <Bmyers> i got a 70 spitfire. fun little car
Sep 16 03:10:18 <Gu1l7y_work> My dad had one.
Sep 16 03:10:21 <Bmyers> but a little scary
Sep 16 03:10:31 <Gu1l7y_work> All aluminum block and heads?
Sep 16 03:10:43 <Bmyers> no
Sep 16 03:10:47 <Bmyers> all iron
Sep 16 03:10:59 <Gu1l7y_work> His was, but it was a later model.
Sep 16 03:11:11 <Bmyers> it wasnt a spitfire then
Sep 16 03:11:19 <Gu1l7y_work> tr7 maybe?
Sep 16 03:11:25 <Bmyers> wedge?
Sep 16 03:11:47 <LoneStar99> Gu1l7y_work:  can tell u in less than a month, it was grey, old and expensive
Sep 16 03:12:11 <Bmyers> mine is like this http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/292/1741/25728370002_large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572837&h=431&w=575&sz=143&tbnid=kj5jaDqNKWDjuM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=134&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1970%2Bspitfire&zoom=1&q=1970+spitfire&hl=en&usg=__UOfOdFyZpG6NiT-32hVqERuEC3w=&sa=X&ei=8oqRTJi1FdKHnQe2zKjFCA&ved=0CDYQ9QEwBQ
Sep 16 03:12:11 <Gu1l7y_work> Twas a tr8.
Sep 16 03:12:24 <k-> geez...
Sep 16 03:13:03 <daddysmurf> so it looks like when I push a scene, I have to remove it from the stack when I back out of it. What's the proper way to do that?
Sep 16 03:13:25 <LoneStar99> Bmyers:  nice
Sep 16 03:14:15 <Bmyers> its fun.. 88 tbird turbo also..
Sep 16 03:14:19 <Bmyers> great on gas
Sep 16 03:15:31 <Bmyers> daddysmurf:  http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1798  see pop scene
Sep 16 03:15:55 <LoneStar99> my favorite car of all time is: http://uoid.me/enzo1
Sep 16 03:16:13 <Bmyers> see, my spit looks like that
Sep 16 03:16:18 <Bmyers> i have the hardtop for it
Sep 16 03:17:15 <Bmyers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30k994-N2U
Sep 16 03:17:28 <LoneStar99> Bmyers:  your car is nice
Sep 16 03:17:28 <Bmyers> kinda looks like it
Sep 16 03:18:00 <Bmyers> i was at a friends house one time
Sep 16 03:18:14 <Bmyers> i said "hey dave, whats under the tarp?"
Sep 16 03:18:27 <Bmyers> that was 15 yrs ago or so
Sep 16 03:18:42 <Wolvenhaven> it's a trap!
Sep 16 03:18:42 <Bmyers> i got it in boxes and buckets
Sep 16 03:18:55 <Bmyers> for $500
Sep 16 03:18:59 <LoneStar99> wow
Sep 16 03:19:15 <daddysmurf> Bmyers: ty
Sep 16 03:19:21 <Bmyers> i mean it was COMPLETELY disassembled
Sep 16 03:19:25 <Bmyers> daddysmurf:  yw
Sep 16 03:19:30 <LoneStar99> damn that is awesome, it is killer
Sep 16 03:22:33 <LoneStar99> Bmyers:  how long did it take u to restore?
Sep 16 03:23:19 <Bmyers> i did it in stages. it was a daily driver for a while after I slapped it back together. them little bits here and there..
Sep 16 03:23:34 <LoneStar99> nice
Sep 16 03:24:17 <Bmyers> ebay.... hardtop from colorado, a carb from cyprus
Sep 16 03:24:38 <LoneStar99> lol awesome
Sep 16 03:24:47 <Bmyers> not easy to find parts
Sep 16 03:25:13 <Bmyers> cant just go to autozone
Sep 16 03:25:43 <LoneStar99> yeah, you almost have to make them yourself
Sep 16 03:26:14 <Bmyers> i'd like to get one of those small metal lathes. sure would help
Sep 16 03:26:27 <Bmyers> but yeah. there's alot of improv
Sep 16 03:26:35 <LoneStar99> for the doors?
Sep 16 03:27:30 <LoneStar99> my app for having 1.4 rating is doing well with downloads
Sep 16 03:28:51 <LoneStar99> well, to me means constant folks using it,
Sep 16 03:53:52 <Wolvenhaven> whee
Sep 16 03:53:54 <Wolvenhaven> drunk coding
Sep 16 03:53:55 <Wolvenhaven> :D
Sep 16 03:54:41 * Wolvenhaven is coding an interactive coaster
Sep 16 03:58:02 <LoneStar99> Wolvenhaven:  having a few here!
Sep 16 03:58:16 <Wolvenhaven> i got a ton of beer bottles from my friend's bday
Sep 16 03:58:22 <Wolvenhaven> so i can use them
Sep 16 03:58:24 <LoneStar99> nice
Sep 16 03:58:27 <Wolvenhaven> and i'm trying to drink as many as possible
Sep 16 03:58:32 <Wolvenhaven> so i can sue them
Sep 16 03:58:37 <LoneStar99> that is always good
Sep 16 03:58:43 <LoneStar99> drink
Sep 16 03:58:45 <Wolvenhaven> and i decided to use this microcontroller i've got
Sep 16 03:58:49 <Wolvenhaven> with a pressure sensor
Sep 16 03:58:54 <Wolvenhaven> and make a usb coaster
Sep 16 03:58:58 <LoneStar99> sue
Sep 16 03:59:02 <Wolvenhaven> that can determine what beer based on weight
Sep 16 03:59:06 <Wolvenhaven> and when it's empty
Sep 16 03:59:15 <Wolvenhaven> and how much per drink i drink of the beer
Sep 16 03:59:29 <Wolvenhaven> and so i can keep a list of beers drank, how much i've drank, and how i drank it
Sep 16 03:59:51 <LoneStar99> if u want
Sep 16 03:59:52 <Wolvenhaven> and do like alcohol-time chart or something
Sep 16 03:59:56 <Wolvenhaven> iunno yet
Sep 16 04:00:01 <Wolvenhaven> i'm just fucking around with it
Sep 16 04:00:04 <Wolvenhaven> cause i like coding drunk
Sep 16 04:00:12 <LoneStar99> yeah nice
Sep 16 04:00:50 <Wolvenhaven> i've just got two issues
Sep 16 04:00:55 <Wolvenhaven> SDL is being a whore
Sep 16 04:01:05 <Wolvenhaven> and i keep forgetting method and variable names
Sep 16 04:02:05 <LoneStar99> no clue, drinking here
Sep 16 04:02:06 <LoneStar99> lol
Sep 16 04:02:38 <Wolvenhaven> do you like pacifico?
Sep 16 04:02:43 <Wolvenhaven> it's kinda shitty
Sep 16 04:02:48 <Wolvenhaven> but it was free and i need the bottles
Sep 16 04:03:20 <Wolvenhaven> i think out of 15 i've got like 4 left
Sep 16 04:03:53 <LoneStar99> it is alright, needs 2 be very cold
Sep 16 04:04:21 <Wolvenhaven> my fridge freezes anything without alcohol in it
Sep 16 04:04:29 <Wolvenhaven> it's cold
Sep 16 04:04:46 <LoneStar99> well more reason to drink the cold ones
Sep 16 04:05:25 <Wolvenhaven> lol
Sep 16 04:05:28 <Wolvenhaven> i don't like it
Sep 16 04:05:29 <Wolvenhaven> too light
Sep 16 04:05:35 <Wolvenhaven> and not enough alcohol
Sep 16 04:06:22 <Wolvenhaven> anyway
Sep 16 04:06:24 <Wolvenhaven> bbl
Sep 16 04:06:53 <LoneStar99> drink elephant
Sep 16 04:21:44 <halfhalo> ok, I have a project due tonight that I havent even started :p
Sep 16 04:22:47 <creationix> anyone have experience with xhr on webOS
Sep 16 04:24:15 <LoneStar99> halfhalo:  just send encrypted code
Sep 16 04:24:26 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 16 04:24:36 <halfhalo> I need to send c code
Sep 16 04:25:05 <LoneStar99> well not sure
Sep 16 04:30:06 <alexfner> creationix: whats the question?
Sep 16 04:30:21 <creationix> I'm trying to do sync xhr to load local files
Sep 16 04:30:27 <creationix> I'm getting 200 responses, but no content
Sep 16 04:30:36 <creationix> is this a known bug/feature?
Sep 16 04:30:49 <alexfner> wait, so are you using prototype's ajax.request?
Sep 16 04:30:58 <alexfner> or creating a new xhr obj?
Sep 16 04:31:16 <creationix> new object
Sep 16 04:31:20 <alexfner> and why sync?
Sep 16 04:31:21 <creationix> I'm not using mojo, so no prototype
Sep 16 04:31:25 <alexfner> oh I see
Sep 16 04:31:30 <creationix> because I want sync
Sep 16 04:31:34 <creationix> they are local files
Sep 16 04:31:40 <alexfner> hmm, well I can't say for sure then
Sep 16 04:31:47 <alexfner> I mean ajax.request works perfectly well
Sep 16 04:31:55 <creationix> it's async right?
Sep 16 04:31:58 <alexfner> yeah
Sep 16 04:32:11 <alexfner> and prototype is mostly stock on webOS
Sep 16 04:32:29 <alexfner> but there is some workaround for cross-domain stuff
Sep 16 04:32:32 <alexfner> built in
Sep 16 04:32:36 <alexfner> so that might be your problem?
Sep 16 04:33:03 <alexfner> I'll look through mojo and see if I find anything
Sep 16 04:33:09 <alexfner> were those files I sent you of any help earlier?
Sep 16 04:33:17 <alexfner> they're mostly trash, I suppose
Sep 16 04:34:17 <iwasbiggs> sync xhr may be turned off on purpose, i am not sure if it blocks all of sysmgr
Sep 16 04:34:33 <alexfner> awe well he left
Sep 16 04:34:38 <alexfner> tell him when he comes back!
Sep 16 04:34:40 <iwasbiggs> doh
Sep 16 04:54:48 <LoneStar99> this goes to all them, that thought I would but a gun in my mouth, and just leave.
Sep 16 04:55:15 <LoneStar99> I will never leave now.
Sep 16 04:57:12 <creationix> alexfner: yeah, I figured out the canvas stuff
Sep 16 05:09:31 <creationix> wohoo, my first real app! http://bit.ly/dd1bVa
Sep 16 05:09:46 <creationix> it's not much, but it's fast
Sep 16 05:14:07 <LoneStar99> awesome
Sep 16 05:15:01 <creationix> code is online if anyone wants to experiment with an app without mojo
Sep 16 05:15:19 <creationix> lots of extra features don't work (like orientation change, automatic pausing, the menu, etc...)
Sep 16 05:17:16 <halfhalo_T400> this c is killing me
Sep 16 05:17:20 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Sep 16 06:35:22 <swisstomcat> morning
Sep 16 06:42:18 <teemu_> Hi
Sep 16 06:45:57 <Gu1l7y_work> Mornin
Sep 16 07:18:38 <rwhitby> New Ground Effect game in the Palm Web feed
Sep 16 07:53:37 <cxreg> am i the only person who wants more than 10 launcher pages? :p
Sep 16 07:57:27 <Esche> Hi Is here somebody from the palm support team who can help me?
Sep 16 07:58:44 <Esche> or know somebody how I can contact the technical support?
Sep 16 08:03:00 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Sep 16 08:03:05 <swisstomcat> what's the question
Sep 16 08:03:53 <swisstomcat> (auch in deutsch)
Sep 16 08:06:47 <Esche> hi! Ich müsste ein App aus dem App Catalog entfernen lassen (und zwar so schnell wie möglich)
Sep 16 08:07:03 <Esche> leider hab ich bisher nur die möglichkeit gefunden mit palm per mail in kontakt zu treten
Sep 16 08:07:10 <Esche> weiß jemand eine andere möglichkeit?
Sep 16 08:07:17 <swisstomcat> leider nein
Sep 16 08:07:23 <swisstomcat> der prozess ist manuell :(
Sep 16 08:07:48 <Esche> schade
Sep 16 08:07:49 <swisstomcat> und die schlafen noch (01:07 in sunnyvale)
Sep 16 08:08:05 <Esche> ja das hab ich mir schon gedacht ;)
Sep 16 08:08:23 <Esche> danke trotzdem
Sep 16 08:09:01 <swisstomcat> so viel ich weiss ist "request suspension" manuell
Sep 16 08:09:20 <swisstomcat> d.h das team macht erst  etwas wenn sie das flag gesetzt sehen
Sep 16 08:10:55 <swisstomcat> am besten geht ein mail an pdc@palm.com und dann warten bis heute ~17:00
Sep 16 08:11:08 <swisstomcat> ich sage palm schon lange, dass sie leute in europa brauchen :)
Sep 16 08:12:11 <Esche> ok danke für den hinweis....
Sep 16 08:12:28 <Esche> request suspension heißt dann app zurückziehen oder?
Sep 16 08:12:37 <swisstomcat> genau
Sep 16 08:12:38 <Esche> bzw. ist das die anweisung dafür
Sep 16 08:12:42 <Esche> ok danke
Sep 16 08:13:49 <Esche> bye
Sep 16 08:21:42 <hotdp> detuch :S
Sep 16 08:21:53 <swisstomcat> hehe
Sep 16 08:21:55 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Sep 16 08:22:05 <hotdp> hey swisstomcat
Sep 16 08:24:22 <hotdp> Its a shame germans always talk german
Sep 16 08:24:40 <hotdp> When they visit Denmark they just start talking german to us. Expect that we understand them..
Sep 16 08:24:50 <hotdp> I dont talk danish when i visit germany
Sep 16 08:25:04 <hotdp> grrr
Sep 16 08:26:05 <swisstomcat> really
Sep 16 08:26:19 <hotdp> like he starts talking german here.. ?
Sep 16 08:26:29 <swisstomcat> nah
Sep 16 08:26:35 <swisstomcat> i said he can talk german if necessary
Sep 16 08:26:41 <hotdp> ok
Sep 16 08:26:44 <swisstomcat> (10:03:03 AM) swisstomcat: what's the question
Sep 16 08:26:44 <swisstomcat> (10:03:50 AM) swisstomcat: (auch in deutsch)
Sep 16 08:26:53 <hotdp> But the other thing is right :S
Sep 16 08:27:25 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: is palm paying you for that .eu support yet?
Sep 16 08:27:46 <swisstomcat> nope
Sep 16 08:28:13 <swisstomcat> i'm going to berlin next week for jsconf.eu ... sponsored by palm
Sep 16 08:28:20 <swisstomcat> and i'll talk to ben and dion again
Sep 16 08:28:28 <hotdp> nice Sedorox :D
Sep 16 08:28:38 <hotdp> swisstomcat * even
Sep 16 08:29:01 <swisstomcat> i just translated a tutorial series on phonegap for the palm developer portal
Sep 16 08:29:17 <rwhitby> hmm - maybe I can get a gig translating to Australian ...
Sep 16 08:29:26 <swisstomcat> hehe
Sep 16 08:30:27 <hotdp> haha
Sep 16 09:09:28 <swisstomcat> morning warpdesign
Sep 16 09:09:35 <Mongin> morning swisstomcat
Sep 16 09:09:39 <Mongin> brb
Sep 16 09:09:51 <Mongin> need to reboot to give IE9 a test ;)
Sep 16 09:31:10 <swisstomcat> what's a "reboot"?
Sep 16 09:31:36 <warpdesign_> type sudo reboot
Sep 16 09:31:39 <warpdesign_> you'll see ;)
Sep 16 09:32:40 <swisstomcat> hehe
Sep 16 10:27:15 <hotdp> warpdesign_ how is IE9?
Sep 16 10:33:36 <warpdesign_> hotdp, a lot better than previous versions
Sep 16 10:33:57 <warpdesign_> I'd say it's quite on par with other browsers.. slightly behind, but acceptable at least
Sep 16 11:00:29 <hotdp> sounds good
Sep 16 11:00:53 <hotdp> hope it renderes better then older ie's
Sep 16 11:03:19 <swisstomcat> too bad it doesn't support a lot of HTML5 stuff
Sep 16 11:03:23 <swisstomcat> but canvas is a good start
Sep 16 11:03:47 <hotdp> as a webdevloper i have a hard time to forgive IE
Sep 16 11:04:01 <hotdp> all the problems i have to think of everyday in ie6 and ie7 :S
Sep 16 11:05:28 <swisstomcat> i don't see a .deb of IE9 ... anyone?
Sep 16 12:17:34 <pandora--> woo! early!
Sep 16 12:17:42 <pandora--> swisstomcat: lol
Sep 16 12:20:35 <swisstomcat> hi pandora
Sep 16 12:20:45 <swisstomcat> morning' lonestar
Sep 16 12:22:51 <pandora--> yo
Sep 16 12:27:02 <LoneStar99> moring
Sep 16 12:27:19 <hotdp> morning LoneStar99
Sep 16 12:27:59 <LoneStar99> hello hotdp
Sep 16 13:20:12 <warpdesign_> is there a way to display javascript errors on the webos browser ?
Sep 16 13:44:13 <dawm_> ugh i kinda wish i didnt get a puppy
Sep 16 13:44:24 <dawm_> i have no time for anything webos dev :(
Sep 16 13:44:28 <hotdp> lol? what have it eaten?¨
Sep 16 13:44:44 <swisstomcat> hehe
Sep 16 13:44:50 <dawm_> it just needs to much damn attention
Sep 16 13:44:58 <dawm_> wtf itunes icon changed?
Sep 16 13:45:00 <swisstomcat> they're only cute until they grow up
Sep 16 13:46:10 <teemu_> Get a maid
Sep 16 13:50:35 <dawm_> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs336.ash2/61659_1538072765618_1048858191_1608694_2417731_n.jpg
Sep 16 13:50:38 <dawm_> my new pup
Sep 16 13:51:21 <dawm_> Her name is Samantha (just like the dog in I am Legend ;P)
Sep 16 13:51:38 <hotdp> what "type" is it?
Sep 16 13:51:44 <dawm_> german shepard
Sep 16 13:51:44 <swisstomcat> cute
Sep 16 13:51:49 <swisstomcat> looks like
Sep 16 13:51:58 <swisstomcat> wau wau wau
Sep 16 13:52:05 <hotdp> pure?
Sep 16 13:52:16 <hotdp> no mix?
Sep 16 13:52:22 <dawm_> no its a mix, with what they couldnt say
Sep 16 13:52:32 <hotdp> ok thought so
Sep 16 13:52:44 <hotdp> because it does not look like german shepard
Sep 16 13:52:53 <hotdp> or it looks like one but not 100% :D
Sep 16 13:53:06 <dawm_> heh shes only 3months old
Sep 16 13:53:12 <hotdp> In Denmark out police uses german shepards
Sep 16 13:53:12 <dawm_> she'll grow into it
Sep 16 13:53:29 <hotdp> so my girl friend will not have one because she thinks they are evil :S
Sep 16 13:53:33 <dawm_> yah most k9 units around here use em too
Sep 16 13:53:58 <swisstomcat> hitler dogs?
Sep 16 13:54:00 <dawm_> welp off to the hardware store , got a leaky sink i have to fix
Sep 16 13:54:49 <hotdp> but the dog looks sweet :D
Sep 16 14:01:48 <teemu_> Nice dog indeed
Sep 16 14:01:52 <teemu_> Cute
Sep 16 14:02:50 <LoneStar99> wow that dog has big ears
Sep 16 14:03:16 <LoneStar99> it can probably hear ufos
Sep 16 14:03:17 <hotdp> lol
Sep 16 14:06:23 <LoneStar99> the ears look like deer ears, maybe it has deer blood somehow http://gallery.photo.net/photo/8786791-md.jpg
Sep 16 14:08:37 <LoneStar99> it = she
Sep 16 14:08:56 <swisstomcat> *g*
Sep 16 14:31:36 <LoneStar99> ie9 yea or nea, i say nea
Sep 16 14:32:42 <warpdesign_> why LoneStar99 ?
Sep 16 14:33:35 <LoneStar99> not sure, been see alot of news about it
Sep 16 14:34:20 <LoneStar99> after 8 releases of really shitty browsers they finally got it right with 9... after about 10 years,
Sep 16 14:35:55 <swisstomcat> i can't even try IE9 .. there's no .deb available
Sep 16 14:38:38 <LoneStar99> downloading 9 beta
Sep 16 14:38:43 <Deihmos> ie9 runs nice
Sep 16 14:38:52 <LoneStar99> well let you all know, if they finally got it right
Sep 16 14:39:36 <Deihmos> all i use is IE though
Sep 16 14:40:50 <LoneStar99> Deihmos: nice
Sep 16 14:41:17 <swisstomcat> why use IE when you can use firefox,safari,chrome or opera?
Sep 16 14:41:33 <Deihmos> why use those when i can use IE that does the same thing?
Sep 16 14:41:42 <LoneStar99> my default is Opera
Sep 16 14:41:59 <LoneStar99> Deihmos: true that
Sep 16 14:41:59 <Deihmos> couple websites i visit don't even show right in any of those browsers
Sep 16 14:42:14 <swisstomcat> that still happens these days?
Sep 16 14:42:18 <swisstomcat> example?
Sep 16 14:42:18 <Deihmos> yep
Sep 16 14:42:32 <Deihmos> the school i went to website. cuny.edu
Sep 16 14:42:53 <Deihmos> when signed in the menu on the left is jumbled on all browers but IE
Sep 16 14:42:57 <swisstomcat> url?
Sep 16 14:43:03 <swisstomcat> oh
Sep 16 14:43:04 <Deihmos> you need to sign on
Sep 16 14:43:33 <LoneStar99> Deihmos: the internal stuff?
Sep 16 14:44:44 <Robdor> Good morning everybody
Sep 16 14:44:51 <Wolvenhaven> diaspora code released
Sep 16 14:45:03 <LoneStar99> moring Robdor
Sep 16 14:45:12 <swisstomcat> morning robdor
Sep 16 14:45:31 <LoneStar99> well, ie9 seems bloated, been downloading for like 5+ minutes now
Sep 16 14:47:25 <LoneStar99> damn need to restart computer to install 9, not a good sign
Sep 16 14:47:38 <LoneStar99> brb after install
Sep 16 14:58:24 <teemu_> LoneStar99: are you kidding? With Windows you have to reboot almost after each system update..
Sep 16 14:58:41 <warpdesign_> LoneStar99, better later than never..
Sep 16 14:58:50 <teemu_> Just the other day I installed Win7 and it took like 7-8 boots with updates
Sep 16 14:59:12 <warpdesign_> it took linux 10 years to become usable too... sow hat ? :)
Sep 16 14:59:44 <warpdesign_> so what*
Sep 16 14:59:59 <Deihmos> every update ubuntu breaks something
Sep 16 15:01:22 <summatusmentis> by update, I assume you mean every upgrade between version numbers
Sep 16 15:01:38 <LoneStar99> my favorite os. has to be freebsd, and macos
Sep 16 15:01:47 <teemu_> oh c'mon. I didn't mean to get into OS differences.
Sep 16 15:01:59 <teemu_> Yes. FreeBSD is superb.
Sep 16 15:02:45 <LoneStar99> must say win7 has been not bad
Sep 16 15:03:28 <LoneStar99> execpt for all the stupid restarts
Sep 16 15:03:57 <teemu_> I once got BSOD on win7
Sep 16 15:04:05 <teemu_> Can't remember what I was doing
Sep 16 15:04:33 <swisstomcat> to each his own os
Sep 16 15:04:49 <swisstomcat> i'm glad palm gives us the choice
Sep 16 15:04:51 <teemu_> Indeed
Sep 16 15:04:53 <teemu_> ;)
Sep 16 15:05:28 <LoneStar99> teemu_: really weird, no BSOD yet
Sep 16 15:08:26 <teemu_> Yea I think it was due to some really bizzare action I took with some HW
Sep 16 15:08:58 <Deihmos> every upgrade from version and audio still suck on the platform
Sep 16 15:39:03 <funkatron> hey creationix, et al: do you know of a simple caching proxy for node?
Sep 16 15:39:34 <creationix> no
Sep 16 15:39:43 <creationix> you can check nodejitsu's proxy
Sep 16 15:39:47 <creationix> I'm not sure what features it has
Sep 16 15:42:06 <funkatron> nice
Sep 16 15:42:15 <funkatron> will do. kinda, uh, thinking ahead. if you dig.
Sep 16 15:53:12 <Renegaid> I see no platform with a better irc than webos
Sep 16 15:53:36 <Renegaid> I hope the next palm has the same keypad
Sep 16 15:56:14 <CTLAdvance> Well maybe they will release 2 devices, They really need a device with a bigger screen and a landscape slider...
Sep 16 15:59:24 <summatusmentis> landscape slider is a pretty large shift from the traditional "palm keyboard"
Sep 16 16:01:37 <CTLAdvance> Yes
Sep 16 16:01:51 <CTLAdvance> change is good
Sep 16 16:01:54 <LoneStar99> yeah, webos 2 will get killed by media , if not on a new device
Sep 16 16:03:04 <CTLAdvance> I bet if they launched 2 devices, a pre 2 or something similar, and a 4" screen with a lanscape slider. The bigger device would outsell the pre
Sep 16 16:03:13 <swisstomcat> not sure
Sep 16 16:03:23 <swisstomcat> we tech people might get the 4" screen
Sep 16 16:03:28 <CTLAdvance> The market trend is to bigger devices right now
Sep 16 16:03:29 <swisstomcat> "normal" people not
Sep 16 16:03:41 <swisstomcat> i would get the 4" device
Sep 16 16:03:43 <swisstomcat> but my mom won't
Sep 16 16:03:48 <swisstomcat> or sister
Sep 16 16:03:51 <teemu_> The market is crowded is it not for big devices?
Sep 16 16:04:10 <summatusmentis> swisstomcat: lots of people are kind of into the big devices
Sep 16 16:04:20 <teemu_> swisstomcat: yea I agree. My mom told iPhone was too big. Smaller Samsung was a better fit for her.,
Sep 16 16:04:21 <CTLAdvance> Yes, and they are selling like hot cakes.
Sep 16 16:04:34 <sugardave> has there been some announcement or something...or are you guys just blowing smoke?
Sep 16 16:04:47 <CTLAdvance> I think the bigger screen is a male thing... not to be sexist or anything
Sep 16 16:04:54 <CTLAdvance> Mine is bigger than yours
Sep 16 16:04:59 <CTLAdvance> or something like that
Sep 16 16:05:00 <swisstomcat> sugardave: just the usual speculation :)
Sep 16 16:05:01 <summatusmentis> sugardave: blowing smoke
Sep 16 16:05:06 <sugardave> k
Sep 16 16:06:30 <CTLAdvance> I think that the key is to have multiple form factors, a big blockbuster device with a 4" or bigger screen. And also a smaller device like the pixi, maybe a middle device like the pre
Sep 16 16:07:04 <swisstomcat> yeah, i agree
Sep 16 16:08:14 <Renegaid> you can have 4" with landscape keypad
Sep 16 16:08:27 <Renegaid> I mean portrait
Sep 16 16:08:35 <teemu_> And sell them unlocked without contract, thank you very much...
Sep 16 16:08:43 <CTLAdvance> Yes but their keppad is small for most people
Sep 16 16:08:56 <summatusmentis> Renegaid: you certainly _could_ but... that'd be a tall device
Sep 16 16:08:59 <LoneStar99> i like the size of current pre - a little bigger might be cool
Sep 16 16:09:17 <CTLAdvance> I have to have a blackberry bold as my work device because I would never want to sit and answer emails on my pre
Sep 16 16:09:28 <Renegaid> I honestly hate landscape. hard to type on
Sep 16 16:09:59 <CTLAdvance> I guess it depends on user preference
Sep 16 16:11:22 <teemu_> Pre 2 will have a new type of liquid keyboard that you can modify as you please..
Sep 16 16:11:36 <CTLAdvance> I heard it will also print money
Sep 16 16:11:51 <teemu_> That's a good plus
Sep 16 16:12:10 <CTLAdvance> It would be interesting if they had a detachable keyboard, so you could switch between landscape and portrait
Sep 16 16:13:33 <CTLAdvance> One device, two styles of keyboards. You also wouldnt need the depth of a dual slider
Sep 16 16:14:54 <teemu_> Detachable would get lost so that's no good. But what about having oled oslt keyboard? Just like now you'd have a slider but you could flip the upper part horizontal and voila, you'd have a landscape keyboard
Sep 16 16:15:22 <teemu_> oled buttons would enable one keyboard for all languages. Almost atleast.
Sep 16 16:15:57 <teemu_> Don't like the keyboard? Change it on the fly. Want to code buttons to fit your game/app? Done.
Sep 16 16:16:15 <swisstomcat> nice but too expensive
Sep 16 16:16:24 <teemu_> That it is :(
Sep 16 16:16:35 <teemu_> The oled keyboard (the one I know) costs crazy much
Sep 16 16:16:46 <CTLAdvance> Not if you had a pin or a screw so it wouldnt fall off
Sep 16 16:17:05 <CTLAdvance> the thing is
Sep 16 16:17:19 <CTLAdvance> it would need to have raised buttons for it to catch on
Sep 16 16:17:29 <CTLAdvance> if they could make it with low enough cost I would agree
Sep 16 16:17:57 <CTLAdvance> you could have a lanscape keyboard that slid both ways, and changed based on what way you slid it
Sep 16 16:18:18 <sugardave> something is leaking memory on this system...I think it is open office
Sep 16 16:18:31 <teemu_> Perhaps there's no need to make it cheap. Make people pay for amazing device. Just look at how people buy like crazy most expensive stuff.
Sep 16 16:21:04 <teemu_> imho Samsung's pushing for cheap phones, HTC in the middle and then Blackberry? Back in the day Communicator was the device for business. Well this is how I see things for Europe.
Sep 16 16:22:01 <teemu_> So having something like that could drive sales. I'd be very interested of a device with long lifespan unlike Android phones with a bad ecosystem
Sep 16 16:22:42 <teemu_> Great hw but software lacks. Buy a $500 phone and get two updates if you're lucky.
Sep 16 16:22:55 <sugardave> teemu_: the market is different than you...if you aren't releasing new devices every 6 months, people don't want you
Sep 16 16:23:36 <teemu_> I know, but I was talking about that crazy expensive phone with oled keyboard..
Sep 16 16:24:04 <teemu_> That'd requires money and business would have it, if it's a phone that gets good support. That's be point I'm trying to make..
Sep 16 16:24:19 <sugardave> good luck
Sep 16 16:24:25 <teemu_> gah. Yea :)
Sep 16 16:27:45 <teemu_> This is why I'm not in the field of marketing. I would do worse than bad
Sep 16 16:30:25 <CTLAdvance> I agree sugardave, for the most part now if your not constantly launching something new, your irrelevant
Sep 16 16:33:00 <swisstomcat> not sure about that
Sep 16 16:33:39 <sugardave> if you look at the "avergae" smartphone customer, that seems to be their thought process
Sep 16 16:33:57 <swisstomcat> the average customer has a 1-2 two year contract
Sep 16 16:34:03 <swisstomcat> and then they get a new phone
Sep 16 16:34:13 <sugardave> sure, but they "upgrade" when the new hotness is out
Sep 16 16:34:18 <sugardave> and get a new 2-year contract
Sep 16 16:35:16 <CTLAdvance> Yep, or they pay full price
Sep 16 16:35:17 <swisstomcat> but not before the contract end
Sep 16 16:35:21 <sugardave> people are dumb...they see new iPhones on a regular schedule, new droids every couple of months...new Palms....nope
Sep 16 16:35:36 <CTLAdvance> People will pay full price for new hotness
Sep 16 16:35:40 <CTLAdvance> its the american way
Sep 16 16:35:43 <sugardave> yep
Sep 16 16:35:47 <swisstomcat> but those are not the "average" users
Sep 16 16:35:52 <swisstomcat> those are the power users
Sep 16 16:35:59 <CTLAdvance> I dont think so
Sep 16 16:36:05 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I get offered all the time to change my phone...my contract doesn't end until next June
Sep 16 16:36:09 <CTLAdvance> I think its more an avg then you think
Sep 16 16:36:22 <CTLAdvance> Yeah also sprints lets you upgrade every year
Sep 16 16:36:23 <swisstomcat> sugardave: for what price tho?
Sep 16 16:36:41 <sugardave> swisstomcat: no price premium, just a restart on the service contract
Sep 16 16:36:47 <swisstomcat> interesting
Sep 16 16:37:07 <CTLAdvance> sugardave whos your provider
Sep 16 16:37:10 <sugardave> Sprint
Sep 16 16:37:15 <CTLAdvance> yeah same here
Sep 16 16:37:20 <CTLAdvance> premier has its perks
Sep 16 16:37:25 <sugardave> yeah :D
Sep 16 16:38:54 <CTLAdvance> im probably going to get a WP7 once it drops since palm doesnt seem to have anything groundbreaking in the immediate future
Sep 16 16:39:05 <CTLAdvance> Cant stand using a device thats 1.9 years old
Sep 16 16:39:12 <CTLAdvance> or 1 years 9 months
Sep 16 16:39:34 <sugardave> I'm sticking it out...hoping for the mythical C40 "soon"
Sep 16 16:39:36 <swisstomcat> i got mine in october 2009
Sep 16 16:39:45 <swisstomcat> i'll wait
Sep 16 16:40:05 <swisstomcat> and since i can't develop for wp7 ... and no phonegap or appcelerator
Sep 16 16:40:12 <CTLAdvance> it was launched at CTIA in January of 2009... at least I think it was ctia
Sep 16 16:41:54 <swisstomcat> how do you create apps for webos,android,iphone,and wp7?
Sep 16 16:42:00 <swisstomcat> using one toolset
Sep 16 16:43:29 <sugardave> vi?
Sep 16 16:44:23 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Sep 16 16:44:38 <swisstomcat> my dev pixi lost it's palm profile for the second time already ...
Sep 16 16:45:06 <swisstomcat> "no longer signed in into your palm profile .. reboot"
Sep 16 16:45:28 <CTLAdvance> swisstomcat - I dont use one toolset to say, however I do use one brain most of the time unless I need to drag in my other workers
Sep 16 16:46:07 <CTLAdvance> The developer tools for WP7 are the best out at this point
Sep 16 16:46:17 <swisstomcat> but only usable for WP7
Sep 16 16:46:22 <swisstomcat> and on windows
Sep 16 16:46:23 <CTLAdvance> I guess thats because They also make all aspects of it.. visual studio etc etc
Sep 16 16:46:31 <CTLAdvance> yep
Sep 16 16:47:39 <swisstomcat> at least they let you choose your host os for the other platforms (except ios)
Sep 16 16:48:02 <swisstomcat> and with tools like phonegap/appcelerator/jquery mobile you can code for several targets
Sep 16 16:49:39 <swisstomcat> wp7 needs an ie9 mobile or better
Sep 16 16:50:02 <CTLAdvance> Its actually extremely good for browsing
Sep 16 16:50:19 <CTLAdvance> although havent tested anything html 5 on it
Sep 16 16:51:06 <CTLAdvance> Most of the pages I read constantly dont use HTML 5 so its irrelevant as well
Sep 16 16:52:07 <swisstomcat> did you try html5test.com on it?
Sep 16 16:52:43 <swisstomcat> canvas?css3?local storage?geo-location?application cache?
Sep 16 16:54:53 <CTLAdvance> Didnt have time with the phone, I only had 5 minutes with a friend who had one when I was out in seattle
Sep 16 16:55:30 <CTLAdvance> I am installing the devtools etc now for gold master, we can try it in th eemulator
Sep 16 16:55:49 <Nyceane1> i m going to a wp7 meeting this weekend
Sep 16 16:57:42 <Nyceane1> i mean, its really hard for microsoft to compete with ie these days
Sep 16 16:57:57 <Nyceane1> netscape was dependent on AOL, since they are part of AOL structure
Sep 16 16:58:15 <Nyceane1> Firefox is pretty much all open, all free, and community based software
Sep 16 16:58:35 <Nyceane1> so it is pretty hard to compete, unless mozilla makes some big mistakes, ie is not goan go anywhere
Sep 16 16:59:02 <Nyceane1> on top of that, IE keeps making mistakes, not CSS compliant, doesn't have a tool that's as good as firebug, not open, etc
Sep 16 16:59:32 <CTLAdvance> The Developer Tools I think are better than firebug for debugging
Sep 16 16:59:46 <CTLAdvance> IE9 has better performance across the board then firefox and mozilla
Sep 16 16:59:51 <CTLAdvance> including the mozilla 4 beta
Sep 16 17:00:00 <CTLAdvance> I agree though
Sep 16 17:00:11 <CTLAdvance> They arent fully compliant yet on HTML5 and CSS3
Sep 16 17:00:49 <CTLAdvance> However, now that I have the IE9 beta, I took firefox off my taskbar as its not required.
Sep 16 17:01:17 <CTLAdvance> I just hope we get new WebOS hardware soon...
Sep 16 17:01:36 <Nyceane1> duno if i can afford a WebOS hardware without this competition lol
Sep 16 17:01:57 <Nyceane1> I can probably get a WP7 device somewhere tho =)  Microsoft is known for giving out tools to developers
Sep 16 17:02:41 <CTLAdvance> Its not easy Nyceane1... ive been trying. Unless you have an awesome WP7 ap
Sep 16 17:02:42 <CTLAdvance> app
Sep 16 17:03:07 <Nyceane1> I'll have an awesome WP7 app soon =-)
Sep 16 17:03:52 <Nyceane1> microsoft is known for giving out stuff like that, just look at xbox at its initial stage
Sep 16 17:04:20 <CTLAdvance> Yes, I know it
Sep 16 17:04:30 <swisstomcat> if the IE team keeps up with the developing html5 api's then it's all good .. and then wake up the ie mobile guys :)
Sep 16 17:04:50 <CTLAdvance> as long as you can show what your doing and drum up interest, you can get one
Sep 16 17:05:36 <Nyceane1> hopefully lol =)
Sep 16 17:06:22 <CTLAdvance> Yeah, I think they finally have accepted that they need to keep up with everything else even if it is not MS Built/designed
Sep 16 17:06:50 <swisstomcat> a nice change!
Sep 16 17:06:51 <Nyceane1> have you tried the beta yet?
Sep 16 17:07:13 <CTLAdvance> All I know is that early next year I will probably have 3 lines I take with me, My Blackberry I have to manage work email, and A WP7 device, and the New WebOS hotness
Sep 16 17:07:16 <CTLAdvance> oy
Sep 16 17:07:33 <Nyceane1> I'll probably have my android, that's it lol
Sep 16 17:07:39 <CTLAdvance> lol
Sep 16 17:07:41 <Nyceane1> and my ipad for iPhone development
Sep 16 17:07:48 <Nyceane1> i hate AT&T
Sep 16 17:08:12 <Nyceane1> and a WebOS device if i have money =)
Sep 16 17:08:16 <Nyceane1> WP7 device if its free
Sep 16 17:08:23 <swisstomcat> webos tablet
Sep 16 17:08:27 <Nyceane1> I am not very convinced, and I am a .net developer
Sep 16 17:08:39 <Nyceane1> i am not very convinced of WP 7 i mean
Sep 16 17:10:52 <CTLAdvance> Its pretty sweet even using silverlight, the device I saw showed no performance issues. And the emulator is flawless.
Sep 16 17:11:27 <hotdp> is there money on dev for win mobile?
Sep 16 17:11:39 <CTLAdvance> It would be nice to see a silverlight capability come to webOS. And then be able to use visual studio to write silverlight apps and deploy to device
Sep 16 17:12:10 <CTLAdvance> or flash
Sep 16 17:13:18 <sugardave> Nyceane1: you already won more than enough to but a Pre outrigh, you alswo said your contract expires in November...yet I stilldon't understand how you don't have a webOS device yet
Sep 16 17:13:44 <Nyceane1> next november, i got the phone last thanksgiving
Sep 16 17:13:53 <Nyceane1> last black friday, i can't even upgrade to droid 2
Sep 16 17:14:09 <Nyceane1> i am thinking about buying a pre for my girlfriend since shes on sprint
Sep 16 17:14:12 <sugardave> budget better, I guess....didn't you have 2 apps in the money for the last competitio0n?
Sep 16 17:14:30 <Nyceane1> 3, i spent the money before i even got it =(
Sep 16 17:14:41 <sugardave> well, that's not very smart
Sep 16 17:15:13 <Nyceane1> i know =-(
Sep 16 17:18:42 <Nyceane1> part of it was setting up my company
Sep 16 17:18:55 <Nyceane1> actually a large part
Sep 16 17:37:36 <Bmyers> spend you winning more wisely
Sep 16 17:37:41 <Bmyers> on hookers and booze
Sep 16 17:58:09 <Famic> hi
Sep 16 18:15:39 <swisstomcat> join #ubuntu-ch
Sep 16 18:15:45 <swisstomcat> erm
Sep 16 18:15:48 <halfhalo> dundundun....
Sep 16 18:18:00 <Mousey> they have ubuntu in chile?
Sep 16 18:18:09 <swisstomcat> ch<>chile
Sep 16 18:18:14 <Mousey> oh
Sep 16 18:18:17 <swisstomcat> ch=switzerland
Sep 16 18:18:27 <Mousey> they have ubuntu in switzerland?!
Sep 16 18:18:34 <halfhalo> hah
Sep 16 18:18:45 <swisstomcat> haha
Sep 16 18:20:31 <halfhalo> uggg... stupid validations....
Sep 16 18:21:58 <halfhalo> No.. I don't WANT you to check if the length is between 1 and 20.  I want it to be as long as It damn wants.  NO DAMMIT DON'T ROLL BACK THE MIGRATIO... you stupid sob...
Sep 16 18:22:12 <halfhalo> ^^My convo with my laptop just now
Sep 16 18:24:45 * halfhalo has issues
Sep 16 18:25:49 <swisstomcat> who has not
Sep 16 18:26:53 <halfhalo> HA
Sep 16 18:26:55 <halfhalo> TAKE THAT REDMINE
Sep 16 18:27:00 <halfhalo> YOU HAVE NO DB FILE!
Sep 16 18:27:27 <Nyceane1> i pressed cancel on windows phone 7 sdk
Sep 16 18:27:30 <Nyceane1> and now it wont install lol
Sep 16 18:28:34 <halfhalo> dammit redmine stop recreating the file
Sep 16 18:51:21 <halfhalo> is be dead here
Sep 16 18:52:13 <Anivrom|pre> Oh?
Sep 16 18:52:21 <Anivrom|pre> Well lets liven rhing
Sep 16 18:52:26 <swisstomcat> you chased everyone away
Sep 16 18:52:32 <Anivrom|pre> Rawr
Sep 16 18:52:34 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 16 18:52:59 * Anivrom|pre blames oil
Sep 16 19:18:39 <MetaView> hi
Sep 16 19:19:15 <MetaView> how can I give this hotapps-guy his banana?
Sep 16 19:19:27 <swisstomcat> hallo
Sep 16 19:19:35 <swisstomcat> tweet him a banana
Sep 16 19:19:45 <hotdp> lol
Sep 16 19:19:59 <swisstomcat> @joshmarinacci
Sep 16 19:20:26 <MetaView> :)
Sep 16 19:33:06 <Anivrom|pre> So rawr nstuf. I'm bored
Sep 16 19:33:35 <halfhalo> weeelcome to my world
Sep 16 19:46:12 <LoneStar99> sweet my flip-flops arrived
Sep 16 19:47:02 <leiru> damn. it's 12°C here.
Sep 16 19:48:10 <LoneStar99> like 90 here
Sep 16 19:49:17 <pandora--> maybe 68F outside here
Sep 16 19:49:21 <pandora--> perfect
Sep 16 19:50:23 <leiru> :(
Sep 16 19:51:55 <pandora--> leiru: where ya from?
Sep 16 19:52:11 <pandora--> oh, frankfurt?
Sep 16 19:52:18 <pandora--> sweeeeet
Sep 16 19:53:30 <LoneStar99> f-ck windows update, screwed up my photoshop
Sep 16 19:55:32 <creationix> 66F here, brrrr
Sep 16 19:55:35 <creationix> I miss Texas
Sep 16 19:55:46 <halfhalo> its like 50F in this office
Sep 16 19:56:13 <LoneStar99> nice
Sep 16 19:56:14 <halfhalo> Supposedly it was set like that to "keep the machines cool"
Sep 16 19:56:21 <LoneStar99> like 75 in this room
Sep 16 19:56:32 <halfhalo> Except... there are no machines save for mbp's and a _single_ desktop
Sep 16 19:57:58 <leiru> pandora--: hamburg.
Sep 16 19:58:05 <pandora--> close enough :)
Sep 16 19:58:35 <halfhalo> now, see, its 80 outside but wifi isn't working properly right now...
Sep 16 19:58:56 <halfhalo> so I'm stuck to the ethernet cable inside while I freeze to death
Sep 16 20:04:38 <swisstomcat> hamburg is nice
Sep 16 20:04:46 <swisstomcat> i'm going to berlin soon
Sep 16 20:04:53 <LoneStar99> laters, gonna go clean outside
Sep 16 20:18:59 <Anivrom|pre> Beer companies are getting creative. This massive billboard for coors like has 1 word on it. "Brrrrrrrrrrrr"and I know the area its put up in is atleast 300k
Sep 16 20:21:47 <creationix> hey, how do you make an app full-screen (hide the bar at top)
Sep 16 20:22:19 <halfhalo> its reeeaaallly easy.. I just don't remember :p
Sep 16 20:22:30 <creationix> I'm sure it's some mojo call somewhere
Sep 16 20:22:33 <halfhalo> fullscreen:yes in appinfo maybe?
Sep 16 20:22:51 <creationix> I'm looking at critical mass and can't find it in the code anywhere
Sep 16 20:22:59 <creationix> alex's game
Sep 16 20:23:18 <creationix> yeah, nothing in appingo.json
Sep 16 20:23:24 <creationix> *appinfo.json
Sep 16 20:23:48 <sugardave> creationix: it's a method of the stageController, I think
Sep 16 20:24:06 <creationix> found it!
Sep 16 20:24:06 <creationix>     this.controller.enableFullScreenMode( true );
Sep 16 20:24:24 <sugardave> or sceneController, I guess
Sep 16 20:24:58 <swisstomcat> yay, angry birds for pixi
Sep 16 20:25:34 <Anivrom|pre> 		this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true);
Sep 16 20:25:51 <Anivrom|pre> Oh too late. Was digging for it in my code lol
Sep 16 20:27:51 <Anivrom|pre> I think I'm gonna be buying a grand am 2002.
Sep 16 21:23:42 <alexfner> was thinking today about node coming to webOS
Sep 16 21:23:58 <halfhalo> you thinking never ends well
Sep 16 21:24:10 <halfhalo> :p
Sep 16 21:24:22 <alexfner> well I was thinking, that it gives you another instance of v8 to deal with
Sep 16 21:24:28 <alexfner> and a binary data handler
Sep 16 21:24:39 <alexfner> and how many interesting combinations just those two things open up
Sep 16 21:25:04 <alexfner> there's other stuff, lots of other stuff, muhahaha
Sep 16 21:26:47 <alexfner> not to mention http sockets and tcp sockets and stuff
Sep 16 21:27:08 <alexfner> we now have another thread!
Sep 16 21:27:12 <alexfner> aren't you so happy!
Sep 16 21:27:23 <halfhalo> ?
Sep 16 21:27:29 <alexfner> threads
Sep 16 21:27:39 <alexfner> they make a tapestry
Sep 16 21:27:49 <alexfner> I'm going to stop talking now, for fear I may have said too much
Sep 16 21:29:12 <pandora--> out of curiousity, are any of you guys fulltime webos devs?
Sep 16 21:29:19 <halfhalo> nope
Sep 16 21:29:24 <alexfner> fulltime how?
Sep 16 21:29:28 <alexfner> fulltime in my spare time?
Sep 16 21:29:43 <pandora--> employed to do it, for money or sex, 40 hours a week minimum
Sep 16 21:29:48 <alexfner> I would be if I didn't have these classes to go to!
Sep 16 21:30:08 <alexfner> but one of the classes I am taking is mobile development, and independent study
Sep 16 21:30:24 <alexfner> and I've talked with the prof and he might be down to let me work on webOS for my study
Sep 16 21:30:27 <alexfner> which would be neat
Sep 16 21:31:17 <alexfner> cause I could write an app that plugs into those UofM apis : http://mobileapps.its.umich.edu/dev/apis
Sep 16 21:31:20 <alexfner> :D
Sep 16 21:32:01 <dohtem> whoa, your school exposes APIs?
Sep 16 21:32:06 <dohtem> neat
Sep 16 21:32:28 <alexfner> the joke is "coming fall 2010"
Sep 16 21:32:41 <alexfner> but they are supposed to, yes
Sep 16 21:32:56 <sugardave> pandora--: you hiring?  for money?
Sep 16 21:32:58 <alexfner> I am aware of some basic apis, like a bus positioning system and such
Sep 16 21:33:09 <alexfner> so you can see the busses on google maps
Sep 16 21:33:31 <pandora--> sugardave: nah just sex
Sep 16 21:33:36 <sugardave> dammit
Sep 16 21:33:50 <dohtem> sugardave: don't do it!
Sep 16 21:34:03 <sugardave> don't worry :D
Sep 16 21:34:06 <pandora--> hahaah
Sep 16 21:34:07 <alexfner> just sex eh?
Sep 16 21:34:18 <alexfner> that's JUST enough for me!
Sep 16 21:34:29 <pandora--> no, I'm not hiring. I can't even get my company interested in webos at all. nothing.
Sep 16 21:34:36 <sugardave> lame
Sep 16 21:34:41 <pandora--> we've released ONE webos app because i did it in my free time
Sep 16 21:34:46 <pandora--> (TuneWiki Lyrics Search)
Sep 16 21:34:53 <dohtem> pandora--: get that releasemypre guy to make a video threat
Sep 16 21:35:00 <dohtem> PAAALMMM
Sep 16 21:35:02 <pandora--> we're all Android iPhone JavaME
Sep 16 21:35:10 <pandora--> haha
Sep 16 21:35:27 <alexfner> well I realized something the other day
Sep 16 21:35:43 <pandora--> any of you guys use TuneWiki on non-webos phones?
Sep 16 21:36:00 <pandora--> or Lyric Legend (we just released that on iphone)
Sep 16 21:36:18 <alexfner> google's android strategy for tablets may bust, because consumers hate buying an OS that looks completely different (and behaves slightly different) from tons of manufacturers
Sep 16 21:36:43 <alexfner> and let's be honest, if apple's proved anything, it's that controlling the whole experience is a model that can generate great success
Sep 16 21:36:55 <alexfner> vertical integration..
Sep 16 21:37:12 <alexfner> so when hp does put out a tablet, and the hardware is only coming from hp so it all feels and looks the same
Sep 16 21:37:25 <alexfner> it has the potential to, and probably will be, huge
Sep 16 21:37:27 <CTLAdvance> dohtem - release my pre means nothing unless he takes real hostages
Sep 16 21:37:36 <alexfner> because it's the only apple like strat
Sep 16 21:37:45 <techrush> HP's biggest problem to me will be they might price themselves out of the tablet market because they view themselves as a premium brand
Sep 16 21:37:49 <dohtem> CTLAdvance: let's not tempt him... he looks unstable enough
Sep 16 21:38:04 <techrush> if the HP pad costs the same as an ipad it will fail
Sep 16 21:38:11 <alexfner> I don't think that at all
Sep 16 21:38:14 <dohtem> hp  is not premium
Sep 16 21:38:18 <alexfner> It has to cost similar to the ipad
Sep 16 21:38:28 <techrush> 50-100 cheaper
Sep 16 21:38:30 <alexfner> it's going to replace 75% of the functions of a normal computer
Sep 16 21:38:49 <dohtem> they have higher end brands like the Envy but most of their laptops and desktops are competitively priced
Sep 16 21:38:58 <techrush> or it will be hard to justify to the average consumer who will think "i can pay the same price and get the 'real' ipad"
Sep 16 21:39:23 <alexfner> techrush: I think the consumer is going to be smart enough to realize that webOS 2.0 is not iOS, so that won't matter
Sep 16 21:39:37 <renegaid> imo webos fits a pad a lot more than Android
Sep 16 21:39:38 <CTLAdvance> no way any tablet can replace 75% of the usage of a pc
Sep 16 21:39:52 <alexfner> 75% of the use cases*
Sep 16 21:39:53 <alexfner> there
Sep 16 21:39:55 <alexfner> fixed
Sep 16 21:39:57 <dohtem> CTLAdvance: depends on who
Sep 16 21:40:02 <renegaid> the native software on android is so bad and ugly
Sep 16 21:40:15 <alexfner> renegaid: I think the UI consistency and paradigm sucks
Sep 16 21:40:15 <dohtem> for me no.  For my little sister that just emails and facebooks, maybe
Sep 16 21:40:22 <renegaid> a netbook is just so much better
Sep 16 21:40:23 <CTLAdvance> if all your doing is browsing and consuming media, maybe but not as a general statement like that
Sep 16 21:40:26 <pandora--> CTLAdvance: depends on the user
Sep 16 21:40:46 <alexfner> CTLAdvance: but most of what consumers do on their computers is browse, and consume media
Sep 16 21:41:12 <pandora--> for many (majority?) of users, 80% of their needs might be confined to a web browser - in that case.. maybe a tablet can be a good replacement/supplement
Sep 16 21:41:16 <alexfner> renegaid: for example, the paradigm on android makes it unclear what apps are running in the background, so you have to download an app to tell you and kill apps that aren't being used
Sep 16 21:41:30 <CTLAdvance> I guess it depends on the user.
Sep 16 21:41:32 <CTLAdvance> :)
Sep 16 21:41:51 <alexfner> renegaid: and on iOS, the ui of icons and tapping had made it extremely confusing to multitask
Sep 16 21:42:07 <CTLAdvance> although 90% of what I do is in a browser. Unfortunately it needs IE.
Sep 16 21:42:21 <dohtem> poor guy :*(
Sep 16 21:42:25 <CTLAdvance> SO a Windows 7 tablet is what we need.
Sep 16 21:42:27 <alexfner> especially the idea that running apps are represented by icons in the same way as non running apps
Sep 16 21:42:38 <renegaid> i think webos has the opprtunity to become the platform of choice for business users
Sep 16 21:43:07 <dohtem> I hope they fix copy and paste in 2.0.  Right now it's too tricky
Sep 16 21:43:48 <renegaid> I hope they make it run faster
Sep 16 21:43:49 <alexfner> I think it has the opportunity to become the platform of choice for party users
Sep 16 21:43:58 <alexfner> it's going to run like usain bolt
Sep 16 21:44:05 <alexfner> I heard he's one of the sponsors for the launch
Sep 16 21:44:20 <renegaid> more im clients would be great. MSN
Sep 16 21:45:17 <dohtem> and updated Google Maps
Sep 16 21:46:21 <CTLAdvance> it will only make inroads with business users if they provide better support for MS tools
Sep 16 21:46:26 <Anivrom|pre> I just saw an ipad for the first time in rl. Had it in a leather case like a business binder.
Sep 16 21:47:22 <alexfner> we had one at my place of work over the summer
Sep 16 21:47:34 <Anivrom|pre> Would be great for when I'm showing clients their graphics.
Sep 16 21:47:34 <CTLAdvance> I see them all over traveling
Sep 16 21:47:36 <alexfner> I tried to talk them into letting me build the tablet version of the website
Sep 16 21:47:37 <creationix> so calling PalmSystem.enableFullScreenMode(true) makes my entire screen turn white
Sep 16 21:47:45 <creationix> it's full screen, but no content at all
Sep 16 21:47:51 <Anivrom|pre> creationix: 		this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true);
Sep 16 21:47:59 <creationix> right, that's mojo
Sep 16 21:48:02 <alexfner> Anivrom|pre: he's not using mojo
Sep 16 21:48:04 <creationix> I'm calling the API directly
Sep 16 21:48:07 <Anivrom|pre> Oh I see
Sep 16 21:48:17 <creationix> not sure if it's a good idea, but I'm experimenting
Sep 16 21:48:27 <alexfner> creationix: I am assuming it should be fullscreen? :D
Sep 16 21:48:34 <alexfner> and displaying stuff, I mean
Sep 16 21:48:34 <Anivrom|pre> White screen is a feature creationix. Lets the users know they are in fullscreen.
Sep 16 21:48:42 <creationix> lol
Sep 16 21:49:08 <creationix> I guess I should read some more mojo code
Sep 16 21:49:16 <creationix> it's not doing anything we can't do if we know the internal APIs
Sep 16 21:49:30 <Anivrom|pre> If you want functional apps then you're gonna have to do without the "killer feature" that is fullscreenmode
Sep 16 21:49:37 <creationix> I asked some palm guys at the meetup about it.  They said the mojo source is the only public docs currently
Sep 16 21:50:14 <dohtem> is there anyway to show my calendar events on the screen?
Sep 16 21:51:07 <alexfner> creationix: only public docs on the interface to the actual objects, like the additions to the window object and such
Sep 16 21:51:21 <alexfner> but if you want just straight mojo docs, those are online
Sep 16 21:51:22 <Anivrom|pre> Its so great to have an overclocked pre with compcache again
Sep 16 21:51:29 <creationix> alexfner: of course
Sep 16 21:51:36 <alexfner> I really enjoy my pre not getting through a day on a full charge
Sep 16 21:51:50 <creationix> I may end up using mojo in the end, but I'd rather understand what it's doing under the hood first
Sep 16 21:51:59 <creationix> then I'll know if I want that abstraction or not
Sep 16 21:51:59 <Anivrom|pre> That happens whether stock or OC
Sep 16 21:52:06 <alexfner> makes sense to me
Sep 16 21:52:27 <creationix> mainly, I can't bare to use prototype.js on a webkit device
Sep 16 21:52:34 <Anivrom|pre> Meh I'd say don't get hung up too long on it
Sep 16 21:52:56 <alexfner> cause it's slow? :D
Sep 16 21:53:03 <creationix> 'cause it's wrong!
Sep 16 21:53:09 <alexfner> oh?
Sep 16 21:53:21 <alexfner> I was reading an article about how prototype.js is right
Sep 16 21:53:22 <Anivrom|pre> YOU'RE WRONG!
Sep 16 21:53:28 <alexfner> and I'm wrong
Sep 16 21:53:30 <alexfner> yes yes I know
Sep 16 21:53:50 <creationix> prototype was designed to smooth over cross browser differences back before webkit took over the world
Sep 16 21:54:01 <creationix> and it was a pretty poor abstraction at that
Sep 16 21:54:04 <creationix> jquery is better
Sep 16 21:54:11 <creationix> but both are unneded when you control the browser
Sep 16 21:54:19 <creationix> webOS apps only run on webos webkit
Sep 16 21:54:33 <creationix> I actually know and prefer raw js
Sep 16 21:54:47 <creationix> got used to it with node stuff where everything runs on latest v8
Sep 16 21:54:56 <alexfner> makes sense
Sep 16 21:55:27 <creationix> plus my mojo-free apps launch instantly
Sep 16 21:55:29 <creationix> :)
Sep 16 21:56:31 <alexfner> that's what I have heard
Sep 16 21:56:34 <Anivrom|pre> Boo
Sep 16 21:56:50 <alexfner> I would like to access the mojo widgets though
Sep 16 21:57:04 <alexfner> for some UI consistency
Sep 16 21:57:23 <creationix> I hope to help the mojo guys make it more modular
Sep 16 21:57:27 <creationix> but I've got to learn it first
Sep 16 21:57:55 <creationix> the device level abstractions should be separate from the ui stuff and separete from the scenes stuff
Sep 16 21:59:21 <bpadalino> something like .. MVC ?
Sep 16 21:59:37 <creationix> no, separate as in modular
Sep 16 21:59:41 <creationix> I can use one without using the other
Sep 16 22:00:15 <bpadalino> who needs modules?! just load it all up .. it'll be fine
Sep 16 22:00:29 <dohtem> creationix: Did you do use this - http://davebalmer.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/jo-and-webos-bypassing-mojo/ ?
Sep 16 22:00:29 <creationix> If my app is 100% canvas powered, I don't want mojo widgets or scenes
Sep 16 22:00:39 <creationix> no, haven't seen that
Sep 16 22:01:05 <creationix> the palm guys did tell me about the "if (window.PalmSystem) PalmSystem.stageReady();" trick though
Sep 16 22:01:07 <creationix> that's essential
Sep 16 22:01:11 <Famic> where can I update the 48x48 icon of my app on palm's submitting form ? I can't find it o_O
Sep 16 22:02:12 <alexfner> creationix: you're absolutely right about mojo needing to be modular, but we're not in a place to rewrite mojo, so I assume that is something they'll be doing on their own in the future
Sep 16 22:02:24 <Famic> the one that appears in the appCatalog... it's actually a jpg instead of a png :/
Sep 16 22:02:43 <creationix> alexfner: right, but we have power to help guide their decisions
Sep 16 22:03:31 <alexfner> yeah but it seems like a relatively minor fight, I mean cause I would prefer something much less heavy than prototype, but mojo is built on prototype, so it would require an entire rewrite.  So it's easy to ask for, but not easy to do
Sep 16 22:03:49 <alexfner> anywho, you know you can't draw any text with canvas, right?
Sep 16 22:03:56 <alexfner> at least the webOS implementation
Sep 16 22:08:13 <Famic> anyone has a clue ?
Sep 16 22:08:43 <alexfner> Famic: just upload it over the old one
Sep 16 22:08:49 <alexfner> problem solved
Sep 16 22:08:52 <Famic> alexfner: where ?
Sep 16 22:08:58 <alexfner> in the online form
Sep 16 22:09:09 <alexfner> My Apps
Sep 16 22:09:17 <Famic> there is no input field for that
Sep 16 22:09:37 <alexfner> click click on the app in question
Sep 16 22:09:40 <alexfner> select "Update"
Sep 16 22:09:46 <alexfner> and then upload a new icon
Sep 16 22:10:08 <Famic> I would if there was an input field for that in the update form
Sep 16 22:10:26 <Famic> I've been over all sections a bunch of times, there is no input for the icon
Sep 16 22:11:08 <alexfner> hmm
Sep 16 22:11:11 <Famic> there must have been one when I first uploaded the app, as I made an icon_48x48.jpg file, but I can't see it now :/
Sep 16 22:11:15 <alexfner> it isn't the icon that yoy include in your ipk?
Sep 16 22:11:30 <Famic> the one in the ipk file is 64x64
Sep 16 22:11:34 <alexfner> it's in there somewhere
Sep 16 22:11:37 <alexfner> just search around
Sep 16 22:11:49 <Famic> I am
Sep 16 22:13:00 <Anivrom|pre> Compcache is so sexy. I woulda tmc'ed like 3 apps ago without it.
Sep 16 22:14:19 <Famic> when sending a new app, there is a "Small Application Icon" field, but it's not there for app update. There must be a way to change it...
Sep 16 22:16:06 <Anivrom|pre> Ok anyone wanna confirm or deny that deactivate function gets called in the active scene's assistant when the app is minimized right?
Sep 16 22:17:28 <alexfner> right
Sep 16 22:19:12 <Anivrom|pre> Apparently not
Sep 16 22:29:05 <Nyceane> my eyes just went red all of usdden
Sep 16 22:29:10 <Nyceane> within past hour or so...
Sep 16 22:29:15 <Nyceane> so now it looks like a pink eye
Sep 16 22:39:30 <pandora--> Nyceane: nice
Sep 16 22:39:34 <pandora--> Nyceane: chicks dig that
Sep 16 22:41:04 <Nyceane> yah, i can tell them I just came from some vampire movie role lol
Sep 16 22:52:23 <dohtem> is there a quick way to tell my app to restart?
Sep 16 23:00:16 <alexfner> dohtem: no
Sep 16 23:08:51 <haeffb>  /me hates list widgets.
Sep 16 23:09:27 * Tibfib no longer hates list widgets
Sep 16 23:09:40 <Tibfib> what are you running into?
Sep 16 23:10:15 <Error454> Is there a Palm bugzilla?  If not, where is the best place to submit bugs/patches?
Sep 16 23:10:29 <pandora--> i've done well with list widgets
Sep 16 23:10:36 <Tibfib> Error454: forums
Sep 16 23:11:11 <Error454> Tibfib: Any particular one?  None really match topics for bugs in the kernel
Sep 16 23:11:19 <haeffb> problems redrawing when i delete a list item
Sep 16 23:11:34 <Tibfib> Error454: developer.palm.com I'd say
Sep 16 23:12:10 <haeffb> combinations of listReorder and listDelete are giving me big problems
Sep 16 23:12:31 <haeffb> and invalidateItems()
Sep 16 23:12:46 <Tibfib> never used invalidateItems, what's the point?
Sep 16 23:13:21 <pandora--> haeffb: that's weird
Sep 16 23:13:30 <haeffb> I have parent/sub tasks
Sep 16 23:13:35 <pandora--> haeffb: ihate411 has a list with reorder and delete on it, works fine
Sep 16 23:13:39 <pandora--> hrm
Sep 16 23:13:48 <haeffb> when I delete a parent task, I want to redraw the subtasks to no longer indent
Sep 16 23:13:52 <pandora--> you're doing a nested list?
Sep 16 23:13:56 <haeffb> so I have to invalidateItems()
Sep 16 23:13:57 <pandora--> ah
Sep 16 23:14:08 <pandora--> ja i'm not doin that :)
Sep 16 23:14:12 <haeffb> no, they're in one list, with different CSS classes applied
Sep 16 23:14:46 <haeffb> I have no troubles with the underlying data...just with the listWidget wanting to redraw items that are already deleted
Sep 16 23:15:10 <haeffb> I don't want to reload the entire list on delete
Sep 16 23:15:48 <haeffb> I may just say, "Screw it, if you delete a parent, your subtasks are still indented until the next time you reload the list"
Sep 16 23:21:27 <dawm|laptop> stupid puppy ate my macbook charger, altho i got it working.. kinda pissed tho
Sep 16 23:23:00 <Renegaid> palm will be entering a crowded
Sep 16 23:23:11 <Renegaid> market.
Sep 16 23:23:44 <Renegaid> galaxy s tab heading to all providers
Sep 16 23:24:18 <summatusmentis> it's still a 7" screen
Sep 16 23:24:26 <summatusmentis> personally, I want something closer to 10"
Sep 16 23:26:55 <Renegaid> I personally don't want any
Sep 16 23:27:27 <Renegaid> I don't get fascination with a tab
Sep 16 23:27:53 <Renegaid> everything apple makes the industry follows it seems
Sep 16 23:28:07 <summatusmentis> at least for me, I want reader device with a screen large enough that won't need to reflow PDFs
Sep 16 23:28:19 <summatusmentis> and eink is slow :(
Sep 17 00:01:27 <Tibfib> shucks. the webview widget isn't wonderful.
Sep 17 00:02:02 <Tibfib> not with "intesive" html files.
Sep 17 00:03:57 <pandora--> porn
Sep 17 00:04:15 <halfhalo> ???
Sep 17 00:04:26 <pandora--> just reading between the lines here
Sep 17 00:15:19 <alexfner> inertial scrolling!?!
Sep 17 00:16:55 <dawm|laptop> omg.. seriously my macbook has come to a crawl.. the emu finally booted after 20minutes but theres not much i can do with almost no response to the system
Sep 17 00:17:01 <LoneStar99> hello all
Sep 17 00:17:11 <pandora--> dawm|laptop: killall firefox
Sep 17 00:17:22 <dawm|laptop> i dont even have ff installed :P
Sep 17 00:17:25 <pandora--> lol
Sep 17 00:17:31 <pandora--> oh, then.. i got nothin
Sep 17 00:17:45 <dawm|laptop> ima do a shutdown and power back up
Sep 17 00:23:07 <LoneStar99> downloaded ie9 it looks nice, but sticking with opera
Sep 17 00:25:58 <LoneStar99> "More SoCal drivers texting behind wheel after ban"
Sep 17 00:26:27 <pandora--> thats.... bad? or something?
Sep 17 00:26:58 <LoneStar99> what you in jail for?  "texting while driving"  TWD
Sep 17 00:26:59 <pandora--> LoneStar99: we're pretty good at it, lots of practice. i see it DAILY
Sep 17 00:27:23 <LoneStar99> i rarely text, and definetly not while driving
Sep 17 00:29:18 <LoneStar99> i do not TWD but do Drive in reverse after drinking 18 beers
Sep 17 00:29:31 <pandora--> well, texas. ya.
Sep 17 00:29:35 <alexfner> I drive from the backseat
Sep 17 00:29:40 <alexfner> I'm what they call a back seat driver
Sep 17 00:30:00 <LoneStar99> alexfner: awesome, will try that next time
Sep 17 00:30:06 <alexfner> I've moved the steering wheel so it comes out at the center seat of the back of the car
Sep 17 00:30:27 <alexfner> and I've replaced the gas and brake with tiny buttons that I press with my fingers, which I have duck taped to the steering wheel
Sep 17 00:30:49 <alexfner> and the buttons are "on" "off" so either you're accelerating or you're braking
Sep 17 00:30:57 <LoneStar99> alexfner:  that is so killer, u need to patent it
Sep 17 00:31:01 <alexfner> one flaw that I made, was that one of the two has to be pressed at all times
Sep 17 00:31:12 <alexfner> so if you press the brake, it automatically stops the gas
Sep 17 00:31:14 <alexfner> and vice versa
Sep 17 00:31:21 <alexfner> but those were the early days of hardware engineering
Sep 17 00:31:25 <alexfner> so what am I supposed to do?
Sep 17 00:32:44 <alexfner> I'm making a late night espresso to calm my stomach
Sep 17 00:32:46 <alexfner> anyone wnat?
Sep 17 00:32:48 <alexfner> want*
Sep 17 00:32:52 <LoneStar99> sounds like something we need in every car
Sep 17 00:33:14 <LoneStar99> i do not text but surf the internet and facebook while I drive in reverse drunk
Sep 17 00:33:44 <LoneStar99> while shooting at a deer on the side of the road
Sep 17 00:35:23 <pandora--> nah i just had some coffee
Sep 17 00:36:20 <LoneStar99> drinking warm water here
Sep 17 00:42:43 <alexfner> I like to play xbox while driving, so I've attached an xbox controller to my steering wheel and placed a projection screen on the windshield.  I included a set of pico projectors to project the images onto the screen
Sep 17 00:43:11 <alexfner> I feel like as long as I turn the steering wheel on the car when I turn the car in the game, I should be fine
Sep 17 00:43:58 <alexfner> Alan mulally comes to michigan tomorrow
Sep 17 00:44:01 <alexfner> gonna go see him talk
Sep 17 00:45:50 <LoneStar99> alexfner: that should be cool
Sep 17 00:46:00 <alexfner> yeah def
Sep 17 00:46:39 <alexfner> the guy saved ford
Sep 17 00:46:44 <alexfner> I hope he talks about where he comes from
Sep 17 00:46:50 <alexfner> that would be really interesting to here
Sep 17 00:46:55 <alexfner> I mean, perspective wise
Sep 17 00:49:04 <LoneStar99> yeah the only automobile company that did not get bailed out
Sep 17 00:50:01 <alexfner> yeah, I am not envious of the success he has had, but more interested in his outlook and perspective.
Sep 17 00:54:39 <alexfner> he's also on the export council, which was recently created with the goal of increasing american exports
Sep 17 00:54:45 <alexfner> so I wonder if he'll touch on that as well
Sep 17 00:56:04 * haeffb not allowed to text while driving a company vehicle. Email, web browsing, apparently OK. Just no texting.
Sep 17 00:58:04 <creationix> It's a shame webOS's V8 isn't new enough to have Object.getOwnPropertyNames
Sep 17 00:58:09 <creationix> that's really handy for introspection
Sep 17 00:58:21 <creationix> at least the code is available
Sep 17 00:58:25 <creationix> (to mojo that is)
Sep 17 01:00:13 <bpadalino> :(
Sep 17 01:12:48 <alexfner> LoneStar99: this is tight http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Mass+Appeal/2q0TkL
Sep 17 01:12:50 <alexfner> for tonight
Sep 17 01:13:01 <alexfner> I'll start off the thursday night music share with that
Sep 17 01:22:10 <LoneStar99> alexfner: gonna listen to it now thanks
Sep 17 01:23:28 <Renegaid> angry birds has a lite version. at least they got price right
Sep 17 01:23:49 <rwhitby> lucky they can only win one of the 100K prizes
Sep 17 01:23:52 <Renegaid> some of the prices I see for webos is a bit ridiculous
Sep 17 01:24:26 <bpadalino> so if they take both spots - does everyone get bumped up on the other side ?
Sep 17 01:25:40 <rwhitby> I presume so.  To do otherwise would not be good PR for Palm.
Sep 17 01:26:41 <LoneStar99> that is just plain greed, to try to win both free and paid
Sep 17 01:26:48 <Renegaid> galaxy s has a tab coming to sprint. what I don't get is if you are suppose to use it a phone
Sep 17 01:31:46 <Renegaid> it is  a smart move. I find it so strange barely anyone jumps on this free money
Sep 17 01:32:10 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: the rules only allow an entity to win one prize from the four 100K/50K categories.
Sep 17 01:32:13 <Renegaid> the hot app barely produced anything and seems like hot pdk is the same
Sep 17 01:32:37 <Renegaid> maybe the masses not interested in free money
Sep 17 01:54:13 <sugardave> nah, they must have listened to that guy who, after viewing a YouTube video of webOS 2.0 on _an emulator_, pronounced it "too slow" and decided to give up
Sep 17 02:01:23 <Renegaid> webos is slow.
Sep 17 02:02:30 <sugardave> I seem to get along fine with it
Sep 17 02:04:58 <sugardave> haeffb: FYI, my current client wants his app to style up similar to Done! and feels that is is "one of the best developed WebOS apps"
Sep 17 02:12:41 <haeffb> can't argue with that... :)
Sep 17 02:13:11 <sugardave> heh
Sep 17 02:13:29 <sugardave> wife finally dropped off my watch for resizing, will be sporting it next week
Sep 17 02:16:50 <rwhitby> UberKernel 1.4.x-112 for Pre/Pre+ in http://bit.ly/kernel-testing-feed (read the rules first!) - details at http://bit.ly/uberkernel-112
Sep 17 02:17:06 <Tibfib> the one reason I might get an ipod touch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1308xZUffxc
Sep 17 02:18:29 * Tibfib waits for new hardware and psx emu
Sep 17 02:19:03 <sugardave> psx emu...omg
Sep 17 02:19:07 <sugardave> that would kick ass
Sep 17 02:19:16 <halfhalo> its more than the ps3 can do!
Sep 17 02:19:28 <sugardave> meh, FF Tactics runs great on my PS3
Sep 17 02:19:45 <Tibfib> I wouldn't mind a psp emu either... just sayin
Sep 17 02:20:06 <sugardave> my wife showed me a PSP2 today
Sep 17 02:20:15 <Tibfib> the go thing?
Sep 17 02:20:30 <sugardave> I don't think so
Sep 17 02:20:37 <sugardave> let me see if I can find it
Sep 17 02:25:13 <sugardave> oh, it's a speculative mockup...apparently I'm a month behind the news.  The Mortal Kombat guys apparently have one
Sep 17 02:29:02 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Did you see this?  http://mobilecoder.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/using-the-palm-pre-as-xbox-360-storage-the-finale/
Sep 17 02:29:27 <halfhalo> theres a patch for that now
Sep 17 02:29:49 <Tibfib> sugardave: lol, nice
Sep 17 02:31:18 <Tibfib> goodnight everyone
Sep 17 02:52:20 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: fixed in latest testing UberKernel ;)
Sep 17 02:52:36 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: So I hear!
Sep 17 02:55:43 <alexfner> uberkernel?  what dis?
Sep 17 02:55:52 <alexfner> I'll try not to act so ignorant
Sep 17 02:55:55 <alexfner> I am aware of what it is
Sep 17 02:58:51 <alexfner> hey is there a way to ask which apps are on the device?
Sep 17 02:58:59 <sugardave> +
Sep 17 02:59:07 <alexfner> if I make a service request to cross launch an app will I get any response if it fails?
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