**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 19 02:59:56 2010 Sep 19 03:23:11 very silent Sep 19 03:28:14 here Sep 19 03:47:14 anyone awake? Sep 19 04:02:57 how's all you Horns fans tonight? Sep 19 04:06:20 watched from 3rd quarter on. Sep 19 04:06:43 was coding so did not really pay to much attention Sep 19 04:07:31 haeffb: did u watch the game? Sep 19 04:07:48 off and on. Sep 19 04:08:09 I had it muted on TV while listening to Tigers nearly lose to San Diego State Sep 19 04:08:27 really, so the tigers won? Sep 19 04:08:35 took an 88-yard two-play drive with about a minute left to get the win Sep 19 04:08:46 wow, nice Sep 19 04:08:57 i think the padres where also playing today Sep 19 04:12:20 Horns don't look too good Sep 19 04:12:42 we're going to have to get it together for Oklahoma and Nebraska Sep 19 04:13:25 sugardave: have the horns been playing half ass? Sep 19 04:13:38 we have no running game and still no tight end Sep 19 04:13:48 our defense is awesome Sep 19 04:15:00 will try to watch the next game, been busy running around Sep 19 04:16:47 sugardave: you ever go to the games? Sep 19 04:32:38 Does anyone know where to find the old PalmOS SDK? Sep 19 11:25:05 putting a width: on a command menu item does what I expect on my pre emu, but it doesn't seem to do anything on my pixi emu... Sep 19 11:36:00 hrm, it works on all the buttons that don't have text in them... the ellipsis overflow is what's failing Sep 19 11:50:18 I see. It's not getting the .palm-menu-text class (apparently) Sep 19 12:45:32 oh, nope. I'm an effing dufus. :) Sep 19 12:52:18 Anyone used any GUI libraries with SDL on webOS? Sep 19 13:03:49 jettero: how so? Sep 19 13:44:13 $255 round trip from Kansas City to LaGuardia Sep 19 13:46:45 morning folks Sep 19 14:05:37 haeffb: you going to NYC r u? Sep 19 14:08:04 bymers: is that where dev days is this year? Sep 19 14:08:46 i guess so. NYC wouldnt be the place for cheap beer, thats for sure. Sep 19 14:09:15 yeap Sep 19 14:09:55 Bmyers: is the "NYC JavaScript Meetup" u are mentioning? Sep 19 14:10:30 saw that Sep 19 14:10:41 ask haeffb why he is going to NYC Sep 19 14:12:43 ok Sep 19 14:12:50 haeffb: why u going to NYC? Sep 19 14:13:20 i am excited to attend a techie meeting soon Sep 19 14:23:58 I'm headin' to NYC. Sep 19 14:24:47 Roy-Pre101: what is going on in NYC? Sep 19 14:30:23 Javascript meetup... And..... Something I'm about to post about. Sep 19 14:32:30 Roy-Pre101: oh ok, javascript meetup is sponsored by Palm? Sep 19 14:32:33 is it free beer your posting about? Sep 19 14:34:08 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/09/palm-developer-day-announced/ Sep 19 14:36:50 Roy-Pre101: dev days is on Nov 19th in NYC? Sep 19 14:37:02 or is that till to be announced? Sep 19 14:37:16 I'm calling it announced. Sep 19 14:37:16 ok read it Sep 19 14:37:54 i am 75% going, will look for flights when it is official Sep 19 14:41:30 I suggest if only 75% of you is coming that you leave maybe a leg behind. It'll be hard without your head. Sep 19 14:43:10 3 Sep 19 14:44:56 Roy-Pre101: true that Sep 19 14:52:10 unspecified location? Sep 19 14:52:17 yep Sep 19 14:52:39 well good thing i am only an hour away Sep 19 14:53:12 dont have to fly anywhere of leave behind body parts Sep 19 14:53:18 or ^^ Sep 19 14:53:38 Bmyers: Where are you? Sep 19 14:53:50 at my desk right now.. you? Sep 19 14:54:56 70 milesnorth of nyc on the hudson Sep 19 14:55:06 (river) Sep 19 14:55:50 haeffb: too bad its in november or i'd take you out sailing Sep 19 14:59:59 time for breakfast brb in 45 minutes'\ Sep 19 15:00:13 maybe we will get free webos 2.0 devices =) Sep 19 15:05:56 Wouldn't that be nice? Sep 19 15:21:19 free pie.. Sep 19 16:30:55 free device, pie and beer Sep 19 16:32:11 Bmyers: wife already asked if you'd have the sailboat out in Nov... Sep 19 16:41:05 woot woot Sep 19 16:41:23 How much does the dev day cost do you think? Sep 19 16:41:26 sailbot Sep 19 16:42:01 A cheap one? Sep 19 16:43:20 free beer, free pie, free webos 2.0 device, seems awesome, free hotel would be more awesome Sep 19 16:44:41 But what does it cost? Sep 19 16:44:58 like the conference? Sep 19 16:45:08 it is free isn't it Sep 19 16:45:57 i dont know? Sep 19 16:45:59 the 19-20 nov? Sep 19 16:46:28 i am sure it is free, but not sure... Sep 19 16:46:39 ? Sep 19 16:46:42 sure but not sure? Sep 19 16:53:10 free webos 2.0 device? Sep 19 16:53:38 if only Sep 19 16:53:45 free intrance? Sep 19 16:56:17 I think last one was $50 registration Sep 19 16:56:31 for both days? Sep 19 16:56:36 haeffb: gets a little chilly by nov. so yeah, it'll be on land for the winter by then Sep 19 16:58:05 you're bringing the wife to NYC with u? Sep 19 16:58:40 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/04/register-now-for-palm-developer-day/ Sep 19 16:58:45 $25 Sep 19 16:59:04 not sure if we're going or not, but if I do she will likely come along. Sep 19 16:59:36 she doesnt trust you or something? Sep 19 16:59:47 $25 not bad, you think it is per day? Sep 19 16:59:48 whats the thing in april? Sep 19 17:00:25 thats obviously not the november thing Sep 19 17:00:34 bymers: it is april of 2010 Sep 19 17:00:42 in nyc? Sep 19 17:00:47 mm Sep 19 17:01:11 the upcoming dev days is in Nov. in NYC Sep 19 17:01:33 right. the april thing is in sunnyvle. gotcha Sep 19 17:02:09 I am going NYC Sep 19 17:02:14 should go to the sunnyvale one just to wear my 3com/palm developer shirt Sep 19 17:02:17 that was the first one, this past april Sep 19 17:02:37 It's...uh...already over... Sep 19 17:02:48 dang. Sep 19 17:02:53 but the cost for it was $25 Sep 19 17:02:55 you guys are confusing me Sep 19 17:03:41 dammit jim I'm a programmer not a doctor , just tell me where and when.. Sep 19 17:03:51 hotdp: pretty sure i will be going also Sep 19 17:04:22 cool LoneStar99 :D Sep 19 17:06:25 gonna drive your van from down by the river to NYC LoneStar99 ? Sep 19 17:08:00 bymers: lol Sep 19 17:08:24 not van will, fly from SAN or LAX Sep 19 17:09:00 who's gonna watch the van for you? Sep 19 17:09:06 while you are gone? Sep 19 17:12:35 NYC Nov 19-20 Sep 19 17:12:49 sorry, can't narrow it down further than that... :) Sep 19 17:13:00 * haeffb off to play bball. bbl. Sep 19 17:18:50 How is it possible to get the value from a list selector? Sep 19 17:19:00 (not when it is changed) Sep 19 17:21:17 exhibition sounds really good. They should have had that from the beginning Sep 19 17:22:38 any? Sep 19 18:01:38 anyone who can help with listselector? Sep 19 18:05:29 hotdp: ask your question, and if one of us knows the answer, we'll let you know :) Sep 19 18:06:13 I need to get the value from a listSelector, not on change Sep 19 18:09:50 check out the methods Sep 19 18:10:22 nvm, just grab the value from the model Sep 19 18:11:15 so you set it up this.model = {value: 4}; then grab it whenever you need it with this.model.value (which would return 4 in this case) @ hotdp Sep 19 18:11:42 Tibfib i try it Sep 19 18:11:55 you tried it? or will try it? Sep 19 18:12:14 model is the name og the listselector right? Sep 19 18:12:41 nope Sep 19 18:12:47 hmm Sep 19 18:12:53 Then i dont sunderstand Sep 19 18:12:54 go to webos.pastebin.com and paste your widget setup Sep 19 18:13:01 roger Sep 19 18:13:21 Can i send it PM to you? Sep 19 18:13:33 pastebin would be easier Sep 19 18:13:46 i pastepin but send link pm Sep 19 18:13:51 sounds good Sep 19 19:31:10 eyo Sep 19 19:31:21 hi Sep 19 20:11:49 anybuddy here today? Sep 19 20:16:14 Anivrom: not really Sep 19 20:18:09 nope Sep 19 20:18:21 k just checking Sep 19 20:31:38 im here Sep 19 20:31:40 sort of Sep 19 20:36:19 torchie! Sep 19 20:36:28 :D Sep 19 20:36:31 been a lloung timeueee Sep 19 20:36:34 anvirom! Sep 19 20:36:52 uni's been taking up so much time :( -- limited most of my IRCing to a single room Sep 19 20:41:39 pre's screen is all plastic, right? Sep 19 20:41:54 you've asked this question before. And the answer is still yes lol Sep 19 20:42:02 I always feel like I'm wrong about it Sep 19 20:42:21 it's awesome though! Sep 19 20:42:37 I've dropped my pre so many times and I can still see the screen Sep 19 20:43:44 just dropped mine on the screen a couple days ago Sep 19 20:44:01 put a nick in the last screen protector Sep 19 20:44:40 but plastic develops hairline cracks Sep 19 20:44:55 hairline cracks? Sep 19 20:44:58 got a crack on my couple month old pre Sep 19 20:45:03 bottom right corner. Sep 19 20:45:11 had a crack on my old pre by the usb door Sep 19 20:45:24 ah I have a chip on the top left top half of the slider Sep 19 20:45:44 superglue! Sep 19 20:45:49 better than shattering though right? Sep 19 20:46:03 stainless steel phone with a plastic screen would be fantasmo Sep 19 20:46:16 i'd like a toughbook made toughphone Sep 19 20:46:20 my friend has a toughbook Sep 19 20:46:26 I want a toughbook :o Sep 19 20:46:29 we've run it over with a truck, thrown it out of a moving truck Sep 19 20:46:37 thrown it into a creek Sep 19 20:46:40 ever see the C1? no compromise computer man Sep 19 20:46:53 short of shooting the thing Sep 19 20:46:57 we've beat the hell out of it Sep 19 20:47:00 and it still works Sep 19 20:47:03 except for the windows part Sep 19 20:47:08 yea Sep 19 20:47:17 but he doesn't use it Sep 19 20:47:24 it's his camping computer Sep 19 20:47:33 so he can do gps updates when he's hiking Sep 19 20:47:36 hah did you guys see the clip of that "indestructable" phone breaking in 2 seconds? Sep 19 20:47:41 lemme get the video Sep 19 20:47:50 which phone Sep 19 20:48:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdtpIYJhMI BAM Sep 19 20:48:17 hahaha Sep 19 20:48:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPJHKTl2e4&feature=related Sep 19 20:48:28 better quality Sep 19 20:50:02 lol Sep 19 20:50:13 the toughbook has all these random bays in it Sep 19 20:50:17 for specialist hardware stuff Sep 19 20:50:20 that are waterproof Sep 19 20:50:25 my friend keeps a glock 17 in one Sep 19 20:50:34 cause it fits Sep 19 20:50:44 it's an awesome laptop Sep 19 20:50:51 i'd get one if the software didn't suck Sep 19 20:54:11 webOS toughbook Sep 19 20:54:33 bbl Sep 19 20:55:09 lol Sep 19 20:55:15 i was thinking DSL Sep 19 20:55:22 hah that'd be pretty sweet Sep 19 20:55:23 he's got one of the firstgen ones Sep 19 20:55:30 and it's got about as much power as an arduno Sep 19 20:55:43 would a linux distro work well on toughbooks? Sep 19 20:56:01 they're designed for the military Sep 19 20:56:07 which employs a lot of linux systems Sep 19 20:56:43 the new touchscreen ones are awesome Sep 19 20:56:48 and a lot stronger Sep 19 20:56:53 C1!!!!!!!! Sep 19 20:57:10 they're also like $4k Sep 19 20:57:16 dual 5 hour batteries, quick hot swap hard drive Sep 19 20:57:21 weighs 3 pounds Sep 19 20:57:34 you can hold it like a football! Sep 19 20:57:36 totally worth $4k Sep 19 20:58:27 i'd still prefer my ballistics calculator Sep 19 21:00:36 $4k is a lot for a windows laptop though Sep 19 21:00:43 unless you're planning on living in the mountains Sep 19 21:00:47 or something Sep 19 21:01:53 if I'm getting a computer to live in the mountains with Sep 19 21:02:02 it better have satellite internet and a built in solar panel Sep 19 21:02:13 lol Sep 19 21:02:20 my friend has a satcard for his Sep 19 21:02:28 and an OS more tailored to the hardware, but that's another story Sep 19 21:04:00 i just took apart an rfid sticker Sep 19 21:04:08 what the hell is the signal reflector made out of? Sep 19 21:04:17 it's metal but it feels like plastic Sep 19 21:05:08 metastic ? Sep 19 21:05:13 plastal? Sep 19 21:05:19 lol Sep 19 21:05:44 shit, 4pm and I'm dead tired. Sep 19 21:05:51 it's 1700! Sep 19 21:05:54 nintendium! Sep 19 21:09:34 stupid phone did an OTA update and wiped out my patches Sep 19 21:09:51 I already had 1.4.5 verizon, I don't need it again :/ Sep 19 21:12:32 ;oo;o Sep 19 21:16:03 okay. so I'm a noob at servers. anyone here willing to help me install APE? Sep 19 21:16:11 http://www.ape-project.org/home.html Sep 19 21:19:39 Isn't there a way to automatically reinstall all patches? :/ Sep 19 21:19:43 I think I could figure it out if I was runnning my own server...but it's hosted with someone else so I don't know what to do... Sep 19 21:19:48 Amaranth: epr should do it. Sep 19 21:20:08 ah, I did epi Sep 19 21:20:33 I think it was EPR... maybe not. Sep 19 21:20:46 That one seems to say it is going to uninstall all of them Sep 19 21:20:56 Which is ok too, at least then I don't have to do it manually Sep 19 21:21:23 it should re-install them automatically if the logging file is there. Sep 19 21:21:33 err... the patches list log file Sep 19 21:22:04 I can't believe I couldn't reject the OTA Sep 19 21:22:10 Tibfib: what issue are you having with ape Sep 19 21:22:18 My choices were do it now or have it done automatically next time I charge it Sep 19 21:25:45 is there a way to colorize mojo buttons Sep 19 21:25:50 or do i have to edit images Sep 19 21:26:07 i meant colorize via css/js Sep 19 21:27:58 Nope, that didn't install the patches again Sep 19 21:27:59 oh well Sep 19 21:30:27 PuffTheMagic: the mojo buttons use images Sep 19 21:30:49 ugh what the hell Sep 19 21:30:58 sound's not coming out of the earpiece during a call Sep 19 21:31:07 and it's apparently not stuck in headset mode Sep 19 21:34:25 grrr Sep 19 21:36:12 is there a way to do like Sep 19 21:36:15 an earpiece test or something Sep 19 21:36:36 oh, interactive tests Sep 19 21:37:15 PuffTheMagic: gotta use different images via css classes Sep 19 21:37:18 :( Sep 19 21:38:39 what the fuck Sep 19 21:38:47 I think I just failed every single audio test Sep 19 21:42:30 am I about to get a fourth pre Sep 19 21:42:34 * torchie blows stuff up. Sep 19 21:42:49 I'm still workin on killing my first Sep 19 21:43:05 the touchscreen on my first suddenly stopped working Sep 19 21:43:11 the 3g radio on my second suddenly stopped working Sep 19 21:43:16 and now the earpiece on this one Sep 19 21:43:29 which is apparently a revision that fixed most of the hardware issues Sep 19 21:43:47 I feel like everything here is a partial fault of the form factor Sep 19 21:43:51 no more sliders Sep 19 21:49:01 FIXED Sep 19 21:50:32 I have to get another replacement Sep 19 21:50:50 this will be the 4th within 3 weeks Sep 19 21:51:15 hopefully palm goes full touch Sep 19 21:51:38 fist keypad stopped working, second volume keys kept sticking, third can't turn volume down Sep 19 21:51:50 the pre is straight up design acrobatic ring of fire stuff and they don't have time for that Sep 19 22:05:01 just alled sprint they are sending another refurbish phone. Sep 19 22:06:48 that's the cool thing about owning a sprint pre though Sep 19 22:06:59 so many of them broke that sprint'll just replace them no questions asked Sep 19 22:07:28 it is a headache because you never know what you would get Sep 19 22:07:36 Howdy folks. Does anyone recall if there's a simple way to get rid of the linker warnings when linking PDK apps? Sep 19 22:09:29 jesus christ Sep 19 22:09:29 so much for fixed Sep 19 22:12:43 fixed again Sep 19 22:12:48 I'm going to go kill things Sep 19 22:13:59 all the power to you Sep 19 22:14:09 as long as those things are iphones Sep 19 22:14:28 i bet an iphone would have a working earpiece Sep 19 22:15:20 uhh I had the same problem torchie. It eventually fixed itself after a day and hasnt screwed up since Sep 19 22:15:30 I had to put hte phone on speaker during calls Sep 19 22:15:38 yeah that's what was happening to me yesterday Sep 19 22:15:40 And also media such as ingame sounds didnt work Sep 19 22:15:51 that's not what was happening to me yesterday Sep 19 22:15:53 but ringtones worked Sep 19 22:16:00 lol Sep 19 22:16:05 that happened Sep 19 22:16:12 meh Sep 19 22:16:23 the phone seems quieter now though Sep 19 22:16:40 don't know if that's just because I set my ringtone to be the Inception tuba Sep 19 22:16:41 yea Sep 19 22:16:51 which can never be played loud enough Sep 19 22:16:51 I think it had to do with me hooking up my bluetooth Sep 19 22:16:57 since it happened right after that Sep 19 22:17:33 I don't even have a bluetooth Sep 19 22:17:38 my bluetooth's never on :( Sep 19 22:17:41 because no file send Sep 19 22:17:55 huh? Sep 19 22:18:02 that never happened Sep 19 22:18:18 no I mean I never use my bluetooth radio because there's no file send Sep 19 22:18:31 uh ok. w/e that means. Sep 19 22:18:36 im talking about bluetooth headset Sep 19 22:18:42 for talking while on the road Sep 19 22:18:43 yeah I don't have a headset Sep 19 22:19:21 I only use bluetooth for file sending, which pre doesn't have Sep 19 22:19:26 anyways I dont see what it has to do with sending files, but I'm off to walmart to buy a garbage can Sep 19 22:19:30 oh I see Sep 19 22:19:42 Yea weird. my old phone couldnt either Sep 19 22:19:45 so when my friends with other phones are like dude send me that ringtone I have to sit and explain Sep 19 22:19:46 Yet my krzr could Sep 19 22:19:57 oh well my phone doesn't have bluetooth file send Sep 19 22:20:02 Meh you have the power of googling it and downloading it straight to your phone Sep 19 22:20:12 Nor does mine but anyways off to walsmarts Sep 19 22:20:14 not quite Sep 19 22:20:31 custom tone yo Sep 19 22:34:22 Anyon, anyone? -> Does anyone recall if there's a simple way to get rid of the linker warnings when linking PDK apps? Sep 20 00:00:28 Got all my patches installed again, decided to try out SR71 this time Sep 20 01:09:36 Is the webOS SDK compatible with Ubuntu 10.04? Sep 20 01:10:06 I don't think so. Sep 20 01:10:41 Lovely. Sep 20 01:10:51 yeah. Sep 20 01:10:58 SDK or PDK ? Sep 20 01:11:10 I bet you can find a work around. Sep 20 01:11:12 SDK, preferrably. Sep 20 01:11:25 I'm following the instructions on the Getting Started. Sep 20 01:11:38 So far I've encountered 3 problems. Sep 20 01:11:44 1) No 'deb' command Sep 20 01:11:53 2) No 'sun-java6-sre' Sep 20 01:12:01 3) No 'virtualbox-3.2' Sep 20 01:12:11 'deb' is not a command Sep 20 01:12:40 It says I need to do this -> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jaunty non-free Sep 20 01:12:51 no it doesn't Sep 20 01:12:53 No no, it's saying to add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list Sep 20 01:12:59 ... Sep 20 01:13:05 * KGF2009 smacks himself. Sep 20 01:13:11 And the SDK is certainly compatible with 10.04, I'm using it with 10.10 :P Sep 20 01:13:30 yeah, the main thing is getting the right java version Sep 20 01:13:34 Hard to not be compatible, it's some simple programs, some java, and virtualbox Sep 20 01:14:06 Ooh. Colorful nano screen. Love Ubuntu. Sep 20 01:14:12 rwhitby: I dunno about that Sep 20 01:14:13 java version "1.6.0_20" Sep 20 01:14:13 OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9) (6b20-1.9-0ubuntu1) Sep 20 01:14:13 OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.0-b16, mixed mode) Sep 20 01:14:17 I just installed something :P Sep 20 01:14:48 Amaranth: that's good to hear. Does aresDebug work with that java version? Sep 20 01:15:13 Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. Sep 20 01:15:13 This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or Sep 20 01:15:14 is only available from another source Sep 20 01:15:17 rwhitby: Yeah, I was using it with Prism to make an "application" Sep 20 01:15:25 That was supposed to be on one line. Sep 20 01:15:27 Out of Ares, I mean Sep 20 01:16:00 It's highly depressing that my phone is more responsive than the mouse cursor on my computer Sep 20 01:16:21 Oops, audio is skipping and dropping out again Sep 20 01:16:32 I really need to build my bfs preempt 2.6.35 kernel Sep 20 01:16:43 is there a developer day in NYC in november? Sep 20 01:16:50 Yeah Sep 20 01:16:53 * KGF2009 points to his error message. D: Sep 20 01:17:03 is there an official announcement anywhere? Sep 20 01:17:08 KGF2009: You want openjdk Sep 20 01:17:29 Hmm, trying to tab complete "open" in an apt-cache line was a bad idea Sep 20 01:17:44 And I can get it where? Sep 20 01:17:58 KGF2009: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre Sep 20 01:18:12 KGF2009: New to Ubuntu? Sep 20 01:18:31 Not really. Just never really used java. Or the SDK. Sep 20 01:18:47 KGF2009: Ah, so I can point out `apt-cache search openjdk` then :) Sep 20 01:18:49 Ubuntu is my favorite OS, I've used it for about a year combined. Sep 20 01:19:01 KGF2009: I'm glad you like it Sep 20 01:19:22 8 minute download. D: Sep 20 01:19:31 Yeah, java is massive Sep 20 01:19:50 Oh, and the ares debug stuff doesn't work in webkit-based browsers, you'll have to use firefox if you want to use that Sep 20 01:20:04 It was 38.3MB. Sep 20 01:20:30 My download is ~70kbps. D: Sep 20 01:20:35 KGF2009: Random question: Do you use compiz? Sep 20 01:20:36 java more like Sep 20 01:20:37 hava Sep 20 01:20:47 OHHHHH Sep 20 01:20:50 Never heard of it, so I'm going to say no. Sep 20 01:21:27 When is the developer day? Sep 20 01:21:35 KGF2009: System->Administration->Software Sources will automatically determine the best (fastest) mirror for you to use if your connection is supposed to be faster than 70kB Sep 20 01:21:44 it's the thing that people use to add all those fancy superfluous transitions to window management Sep 20 01:22:07 KGF2009: compiz is the program that gives you fancy window animations on the stock Ubuntu desktop Sep 20 01:22:14 Juuuust a little faster. Let's just say, I've gotten 2MB/s before. Sep 20 01:22:17 Oh, yes. Sep 20 01:22:25 But my video card is a PoS. Sep 20 01:22:49 Hehe, one of the compiz developers used it for the longest time on a Radeon 7000, you can't have it worse than that Sep 20 01:23:08 NVidia GeForce 400. Sep 20 01:23:20 ozetadev: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/09/palm-events-in-atlanta-in-the-next-two-weeks/ Sep 20 01:23:30