**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 20 02:59:57 2010 Sep 20 03:00:28 no, I meant the web icon an the app catalog icon, by my mistake is no the same on the app Sep 20 03:00:58 when upgrade version oof the app do not ask for icon Sep 20 03:02:37 bummer Sep 20 03:05:04 not a big deal anuway, the new one loks wwwaaaaaayyyyyy better that the old one Sep 20 03:17:21 *sigh* still compiling Sep 20 03:25:20 BAM goodnight guys Sep 20 03:30:09 Amaranth: So, with my PoS MX440, what compiz effects do you think I can handle, tops? Sep 20 03:30:27 KGF2009: The ubuntu defaults, mainly Sep 20 03:30:40 no cube, wobbly, or crazy animations Sep 20 03:30:51 D: Sep 20 03:31:01 Harsh. Sep 20 03:31:14 btw, fun fact, the "Extra" option in the Visual Effects tab was created solely for the purpose of turning wobbly on Sep 20 03:31:30 * KGF2009 loves wobbly. D: Sep 20 03:31:39 Otherwise sabdfl was probably going to force wobbly on by default Sep 20 03:31:54 Apparently he, at least at the time, loved the hell out of wobbly Sep 20 03:32:08 * KGF2009 does too! Sep 20 03:34:28 * KGF2009 needs a better video card. D: Sep 20 03:34:56 KGF2009: PCI slot? I think you can even get a geforce 9000 series card for that Sep 20 03:35:23 Kind of pointless because anything really pushing such a card is going to be bottlenecked by the bandwidth but who knows, there may be a point Sep 20 03:36:58 I'm horrible with hardware; only really focused on software, which slots are the PCI? Because I've got like 5 blue slots and one purple one about an inch further back than them. Sep 20 03:37:01 * KGF2009 feels stupid. Sep 20 03:41:31 * KGF2009 nudges Amaranth. Sep 20 03:41:48 KGF2009: *shrug* Sep 20 03:42:15 Oh, I see, that purple one has the video card in it, right? Sep 20 03:42:24 That's probably going to be an AGP slot then Sep 20 03:42:47 * KGF2009 nodnods. Sep 20 03:43:19 But my CPU is also a PoS at just under 2Ghz. Basically, my entire computer is a PoS. Including the monitor. Sep 20 03:43:32 Oh, and 712MB RAM. Sep 20 03:43:39 lol Sep 20 03:44:08 KGF2009: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130465 Sep 20 03:44:41 It won't play games (I think the Intel X3100 integrated graphics are actually faster, which says something) but it should handle most compiz effects Sep 20 03:45:16 I can play Urban Terror with this card. Sep 20 03:45:22 http://urbanterror.info/ Sep 20 03:45:30 Ok, well, it'll do like 10x better than that Sep 20 03:45:54 yay I think my kernel is getting close to done Sep 20 03:46:02 My god, this card must be -ancient- if something 10x better is $40. Sep 20 03:46:11 that is a LONG time to compile Sep 20 03:46:26 halfhalo: The default Ubuntu kernel config basically turns on everything Sep 20 03:46:35 and? Sep 20 03:46:42 my old powerbook was faster :p Sep 20 03:47:04 halfhalo: On a high end machine it takes something like 8 hours to compile 2 variants of this kernel and their respective linux-restricted-modules Sep 20 03:47:05 I bet if I got a netbook it'd be better. Sep 20 03:47:09 halfhalo: _everything_ Sep 20 03:47:23 what do you consider high end Sep 20 03:47:45 halfhalo: The machines Ubuntu uses to compile Sep 20 03:47:55 descriptive.... Sep 20 03:47:57 The ones that compile openoffice.org in less than 8 hours :P Sep 20 03:48:17 (your powerbook would probably take like 24 hours to do that) Sep 20 03:48:23 mebe Sep 20 03:48:47 KGF2009: Your video card is basically a rebadged card that was originally released in 2000 Sep 20 03:49:12 KGF2009: It doesn't even have shaders Sep 20 03:49:31 I hate live tv with a passion Sep 20 03:49:39 and I should get a new amd hex core Sep 20 03:49:43 because their hex Sep 20 03:49:44 and cheao Sep 20 03:49:46 cheap Sep 20 03:49:47 halfhalo: And when I say everything I mean I'm compiling geode video drivers Sep 20 03:50:10 lol Sep 20 03:50:11 And something called winbond Sep 20 03:50:21 Basically if it can be compiled as a module Ubuntu compiles it Sep 20 03:50:32 And most of the things that can't be compiled as a module are compiled anyway Sep 20 03:50:33 So, Amaranth, what would this new card be able to do better instead of compiz? Sep 20 03:50:48 I honestly haven't touched an ubuntu kernel since I messed with it on the powerbook trying to get everything working Sep 20 03:50:51 KGF2009: Run somewhat modern games at low quality/resolution Sep 20 03:51:11 halfhalo: Yeah, the ubuntu powerbook kernel would compile much less even today Sep 20 03:51:15 What about video playback? Sep 20 03:51:20 There is simply less hardware to worry about Sep 20 03:51:24 Or is that more of a CPU issue? Sep 20 03:51:39 KGF2009: You need a geforce 8000 series for hardware accelerated video Sep 20 03:51:39 that was an awesome comp though.... Sep 20 03:51:44 it really was Sep 20 03:51:57 or an ati 3 series or higher Sep 20 03:51:58 KGF2009: Or a RadeonHD 4000 series, which you can get in AGP for $80 Sep 20 03:52:11 * halfhalo has a 3650 agp somewhere Sep 20 03:52:13 Oh, did the 3000 do it? I don't think it does on Linux Sep 20 03:52:40 In that case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102862 Sep 20 03:52:46 yeah, my 3470 in my laptop does it Sep 20 03:52:49 It's a great upgrade anyway for only $10 more Sep 20 03:53:45 Ok installing this kernel will have to wait, bed time for me Sep 20 03:53:49 lol Sep 20 03:54:15 and I'll have to use netflix on my 360 since I doubt I can watch video while this is going, which is kind of the reason I'm compiling it to begin with Sep 20 03:54:29 lol? Sep 20 03:54:48 Amaranth: What's the best I could do without replacing my CPU? (AMD Semprom 3000+) Sep 20 03:54:52 My system currently randomly fails to even keep up with my typing Sep 20 03:54:56 replace the cpu Sep 20 03:55:03 quad core ftw Sep 20 03:55:49 halfhalo: If I replace the CPU, I might as well get an entirely new tower. Sep 20 03:55:56 yup Sep 20 03:56:29 I think my parents would much reather get a $40 video card than a $600 tower. Sep 20 03:56:35 rather* Sep 20 04:00:12 Whoa it's linking Sep 20 04:00:39 Whoa it's making the packages Sep 20 04:14:46 Well, that seems to have gone alright Sep 20 04:17:52 Oh, I actually have a 2.4Ghz processor, apparently Sep 20 04:17:57 That's news to me Sep 20 04:18:04 lol? Sep 20 04:19:08 That makes this an early 2008 model macbook, I thought It got screwed with one of the last late 2007 models when I got Sep 20 04:21:29 lol Sep 20 04:36:41 Wow this is like having a new computer Sep 20 04:36:48 no its not Sep 20 04:42:51 hah Sep 20 04:56:22 lol Sep 20 04:56:33 actually writing stuff out to plan an app Sep 20 05:14:55 awe man Sep 20 05:15:28 Mourning Sep 20 05:52:48 yuh Sep 20 06:39:51 Good morning Sep 20 06:42:42 hey how is it going Sep 20 06:43:09 not to good Sep 20 06:43:45 having some json/formatters = understanding issues.. Sep 20 06:44:07 ooh Sep 20 06:44:09 sucks Sep 20 06:45:02 i don't think its the subject that have the much documentation Sep 20 06:45:17 -the Sep 20 06:47:30 morning swisstomcat Sep 20 06:47:36 morning Sep 20 06:47:38 hi hotdp Sep 20 06:47:48 Did day 2 go well ? Sep 20 06:47:53 http://yfrog.com/i3tzup Sep 20 06:48:07 http://yfrog.com/n7az4rj Sep 20 06:48:55 has anyone tried prefox on the pre+ yet Sep 20 06:49:13 swisstomcat looking good :) Sep 20 06:49:41 http://twitter.com/twtomcat/statuses/25004182631 Sep 20 06:50:17 not that many people on day 2 .. i expected more Sep 20 06:50:23 :/ Sep 20 06:50:30 but still a lot of good contacts Sep 20 06:50:37 uhh Sep 20 06:52:22 thesavalord: didn't try it yet Sep 20 06:52:56 wondering because I kept on getting an error Sep 20 06:59:19 hotdo: how's your app doing? Sep 20 07:12:11 swisstomcat not too good Sep 20 07:12:31 receiving feedback at least? Sep 20 07:12:36 What app? Sep 20 07:16:20 a movie info app Sep 20 07:18:26 Sounds usefull for me. What's the name of it? Sep 20 07:18:52 gh. Ask in English get answer in French. Typical. Sep 20 07:18:53 "movie info" Sep 20 07:19:23 shock! horror! The name is logical! Sep 20 07:19:44 that's silly, you need a name that has nothing to do with the application's function Sep 20 07:20:01 yeah Sep 20 07:20:03 :) Sep 20 07:20:10 and if you fell likek giving it 5 stars Sep 20 07:20:13 do it ;) Sep 20 07:20:20 i'll do Sep 20 07:20:26 I am updating it with actor search and other stuff shortly Sep 20 07:20:34 Naah. Bad name = bad rating ;) Sep 20 07:20:41 Just kidding of course Sep 20 07:21:14 Just yesterday wife asked me the tagline of Pirates of caribean 2.. Sep 20 07:21:21 This becomes handy Sep 20 07:21:39 Then again tagline of Pirates is not that special :S Sep 20 08:04:50 http://twitter.com/twtomcat/statuses/25007516892 Sep 20 10:08:51 so i need a bit of help Sep 20 10:09:22 i'm trying to set a password for my pre's ssh using a mac and i'm not figuring out how to do it Sep 20 10:10:06 rather, i'm trying to ssh into my pre using a mac and don't know how to go about setting a password so i can access it to use psfreedom.ko Sep 20 10:10:27 anybody think they might be able to help ? Sep 20 10:11:42 should i take that as a no ? Sep 20 10:13:56 Hold on. You're trying to change Pre's password? Sep 20 10:14:14 Did you manage to SSH to your Pre? Sep 20 10:15:39 ok, so i used terminal and typed novaterm to get root access to the pre Sep 20 10:15:55 then i used all the steps to generate a key using terminal Sep 20 10:16:47 i made a key via terminal on the pre Sep 20 10:18:03 Ok, sorry I don't know. Never done that :( Sep 20 10:18:20 But you could stick around and ask a bit later again Sep 20 10:18:28 i mean i have an id_rsa that i saved, i just don't know what to do with it Sep 20 10:18:35 ah. Sep 20 10:18:50 Have you ever done key authentication? Sep 20 10:19:38 nope - can't say that i have Sep 20 10:20:17 You're supposed to place the contents of id_rsa (without BEGIN/END) to the targets .ssh/authorized_keys Sep 20 10:20:44 Not sure if Pre has the same setup, but this is what usually is used Sep 20 10:21:01 how would i do that using a mac...the details are beautifully laid out using a winPC, but not so much for a mac Sep 20 10:21:34 Just look at some unix public key authentication help Sep 20 10:21:45 gotcha Sep 20 10:24:21 and if i have my pre in hard drive mode and want to copy a file from the drive to the root, i just have to type "cp /media/internal/xxxxx.xx /" ? Sep 20 10:25:21 I don't know about that. I haven't accessed Pre for file access. But I do know that you could use scp command to copy over the file. However you could just as well edit the authorized_keys file. Sep 20 10:25:36 scp = ssh for file transfers Sep 20 10:26:07 well, i guess its all about learning Sep 20 10:26:29 :) Sep 20 10:27:19 You could open up the id_rsa, copy text between BEGIN/END and then simply paste that to the authorized_keys via SSH connection you have there. Pre might not have editing program onboard so it might not work. Sep 20 10:28:13 You could probably scp the file to Pre with scp like: scp my_file root@pres_address_here:/target/path Sep 20 10:28:34 But as I said, I've not done this my self so I don't know if it works. Sep 20 10:29:24 not a problem Sep 20 10:29:27 thanks for the help Sep 20 11:13:37 hi there Sep 20 11:13:42 has anyone ever used JSUnit ? Sep 20 11:21:47 hi warpdesign Sep 20 11:24:48 hi swisstomcat Sep 20 11:24:54 jsunit? Sep 20 11:26:26 yes Sep 20 11:26:30 unit testing for javascript Sep 20 11:27:11 sounds interesting Sep 20 11:41:04 it is Sep 20 11:41:19 but the doc tells you how to write test functions: fine... Sep 20 11:41:36 but doesn't tell you how to actually execute the tests (could be useful) ;) Sep 20 11:41:48 so it's like "here is an example of tests..." or is another one.. Sep 20 11:41:58 fine: but how the hell to I run them ? :D Sep 20 11:47:22 sugardave : ping Sep 20 12:13:40 warpdesign: no tutorial anywhere? Sep 20 13:08:25 bah Sep 20 13:09:01 i'm picking up strange twitter followers ... "eco-cosmo-logical researcher,spiritual explorer,yoga scientist" ... looks cute tho :) Sep 20 13:58:15 ping: sugardave Sep 20 14:04:45 Mornin'. Sep 20 14:05:32 Morning KGF2009 Sep 20 14:06:13 morning Sep 20 14:06:44 What goes on? Sep 20 14:07:51 life goes on Sep 20 14:08:15 * hotdp agree Sep 20 14:08:25 Interesting. Sep 20 14:08:57 morning foklks Sep 20 14:12:33 morning lonestar Sep 20 14:12:53 swisstomcat: you going to dev days in NYC? Sep 20 14:13:01 thinking about it Sep 20 14:13:08 another cross-atlantic flight tho Sep 20 14:13:13 Wish I could. Sep 20 14:13:42 * hotdp is going to drink beer with LoneStar99 in NYC :P Sep 20 14:14:43 cant afford the flight to nyc :( Sep 20 14:15:07 its about 583 from denmark Sep 20 14:18:09 yeah hotdp Sep 20 14:19:40 it will be like $400 from San diego, but have not looked to hard Sep 20 14:19:57 worse case will take off from LAX Sep 20 14:20:35 have not been in NYC since 2003 Sep 20 14:20:41 hmm, flight to NYC is not THAT expensive Sep 20 14:20:47 683 CHF Sep 20 14:21:10 hotel is probably more expensive Sep 20 14:21:36 i am sure i can find some cheaper, but will wait, till i get to San Diego, need to rent an apartment Sep 20 14:21:49 how much is a CHF ? Sep 20 14:21:53 hotel about $100+ a night Sep 20 14:23:11 will take some wallets with me and sell them in NYC to finance some of the trip Sep 20 14:23:18 =) Sep 20 14:23:33 1 CHF is 0.96 $ Sep 20 14:23:40 or the other way around? Sep 20 14:24:23 Google says it's 1 franc = .99 lol Sep 20 14:26:05 what does CHF mean? Sep 20 14:27:03 The currency shared by a few of those countries. Sep 20 14:27:21 CH=swiss F=franc Sep 20 14:27:57 Soon the US money will be as monopoly as the others. Sep 20 14:28:23 oh ok, swistzerland does not use the euro? Sep 20 14:29:09 They are not part of the European union thing. Sep 20 14:34:43 fyi: beers are about 8-9 bux for a budweiser in nyc Sep 20 14:34:56 damn Sep 20 14:34:57 yeah, switzerland decided to stay out of the EU Sep 20 14:35:08 will take some beer with me... lol Sep 20 14:35:10 jk Sep 20 14:35:12 yeah, NYC is expensive Sep 20 14:35:37 Last saturday was half off got a guiness for 2.50 :P Sep 20 14:35:55 i am sure we can find some "dive" bars for like $5.00 a beer Sep 20 14:36:26 :) Sep 20 14:36:43 The bars downtown are actually cheaper most drinks are only 4 dollars. Sep 20 14:37:02 If i travel to the other side of the world i dont mind paying 10$ for a beer Sep 20 14:37:30 Same, but to pay it every time one wan't to go to the bar would suck. Sep 20 14:37:43 are you going, hotdp? Sep 20 14:37:44 true Sep 20 14:37:49 Yes i am :) Sep 20 14:37:51 cool Sep 20 14:37:58 it's worth it i tell you Sep 20 14:37:58 yer hope you will to ;= Sep 20 14:38:08 Yer you said so Sep 20 14:38:09 last dev day was a blast Sep 20 14:38:32 seeing the palm hq was nice too .. and silicon valley Sep 20 14:38:47 I did that few month ago Sep 20 14:38:55 But did not talk to any devs :s Sep 20 14:38:59 * Templarian is waiting till october then he will head over to chicago for some wpf conference thing... it's like a small version of new york. Sep 20 14:39:09 wp7* Sep 20 14:39:21 only to some phone sales people who lookoed strange on me when i asked for Palm Pre stuff :S Sep 20 14:41:57 Anyone else batteries starting to not hold a long charge (not that it ever did)? Sep 20 14:42:52 yer Sep 20 14:43:00 and it is my second battery Sep 20 14:43:34 but i have a feeling it is dou to data fetch in programs. Because if i turn off data it holds battery very well Sep 20 14:46:10 * sugardave hopes for Dev Day in Austin sometime. Sep 20 14:47:31 sugardave :D Sep 20 14:47:43 I have been pingen you for like 8 hours :P Sep 20 14:47:55 oops :D been on and offline Sep 20 14:49:00 morning sugardave Sep 20 14:51:13 hi sugardave Sep 20 14:52:15 Coming soon to a webOS Phone near you ... here is a preview: http://yfrog.com/i3tzup Sep 20 14:53:11 hi LoneStar99 and swisstomcat Sep 20 14:55:28 Wow... I just managed to hose up my Pre. Sep 20 14:55:42 Apparently using USB mode while the photo app is running is a big no-no. Sep 20 14:56:08 oh Sep 20 14:56:27 Rebooted and photo app is empty, couldn't manually copy file off the USB partition. Sep 20 14:56:45 :/ Sep 20 14:57:04 cp: /Volumes/PALM PRE/lopan_screenshot.bmp: Input/output error Sep 20 14:58:35 Photo app shows placeholders for all images but they're all blank. Sep 20 15:01:21 reboot? Sep 20 15:01:30 looks like a hosed filesystem Sep 20 15:02:44 bbl Sep 20 15:06:12 is there an easy way to see the current content of a html5db ? Sep 20 15:06:30 Famic: yes Sep 20 15:07:03 Bmyerstell me more :) Sep 20 15:08:17 what r u trying to do exactly? Sep 20 15:08:41 now, see, if my stupid etrade account was fully active I would have just made 20 bucks Sep 20 15:10:21 Bmyers: I'm trying to store a json object in a field, I'm not sure it ended up in there even though there were no error message when the transaction occured. Anyhow, I think that'd be nice to be able to dump the db content easily Sep 20 15:10:32 Famic: you can log into device/emu and use sqlite3, you can copy the db to desktop and use sqlite tools from there, Sep 20 15:11:07 for what you want sounds like getting on the device and using sqlite3 there would be best Sep 20 15:11:23 Bmyers: is it a linux app ? Sep 20 15:12:01 a webos app? Sep 20 15:12:05 you ssh to the device or emu and run it there Sep 20 15:12:17 and now it would be 30 dollars.... god dammit Sep 20 15:12:43 someone get halfhalo a box of tissues Sep 20 15:13:32 Bmyers: ty, I'll dig into that Sep 20 15:13:38 hey, 30 bucks is alot for a college student Sep 20 15:13:43 its handy Sep 20 15:13:44 thats a years worth of ramen Sep 20 15:14:05 or 4 beers in nyc Sep 20 15:14:16 yeah, but I'm not 21 yet Sep 20 15:14:22 so thats not an issue Sep 20 15:14:34 and the fact that I like driving. alot. Sep 20 15:14:45 when when you reach fullhalo it will Sep 20 15:15:20 if mexico has taught me anything, it is that cars > beer, esp when driving fast Sep 20 15:15:35 u live in MX? Sep 20 15:16:41 no, but I live close enough to pop over if I want to :p Sep 20 15:16:57 california? Sep 20 15:17:05 * halfhalo is watching the stock price of cycc going up Sep 20 15:17:06 yeah Sep 20 15:17:22 i used to live in old mexico Sep 20 15:17:30 (arizona) Sep 20 15:17:35 lol Sep 20 15:17:59 Bmyers: care to give me a few basic commands for sqlite3 ? Sep 20 15:18:11 DROP DATABASE; Sep 20 15:18:12 select * from table; Sep 20 15:18:15 thats always a good one Sep 20 15:18:46 aren't the tables somehow linked to the app ? Sep 20 15:19:36 you wrote it, i dunno Sep 20 15:19:45 I tried "select * from mytable" and I get "no such table" even though I created it Sep 20 15:20:10 you need to point sqlite3 to your db. did u do that? Sep 20 15:20:11 so I'm thinking I should connect to a particular database first Sep 20 15:20:29 how do I do that ? Sep 20 15:23:30 did u use ext: to create the db? Sep 20 15:24:19 I used http://pastebin.com/StUsmvfk Sep 20 15:24:40 I've been using db the same way in a previous project Sep 20 15:24:45 b4 that i mean when you create the db Sep 20 15:25:20 actually I don't, that's why I believe there is a default db for each app Sep 20 15:25:33 look here: /media/internal/.app-storage Sep 20 15:25:39 actually : this.db = openDatabase('solipegDB', '', 'SoliPeg Storage', 65536); Sep 20 15:26:03 ok, then it might be in you apps dir Sep 20 15:26:12 Famic: some basic info about dbs, where it puts them, etc.: http://bit.ly/MojoDB Sep 20 15:26:15 hi Bmyers Sep 20 15:26:30 hi sugardave , whats shaking? Sep 20 15:26:58 if it's a local db, then it's in ~/html5[something]/somedirthatlookslikeyourappid/xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.db Sep 20 15:27:07 there ya go Sep 20 15:27:16 if it's not then it isnt Sep 20 15:27:26 so I'd have to "open" the database using its path and a sqlite3 instruction ? Sep 20 15:27:35 if it's an 'external' db, it's somewhere under /media/internal/spp-storage Sep 20 15:27:49 Famic: cd to that dir where your db is Sep 20 15:27:49 Famic: no, you openDatabase in a Mojo app to get it created Sep 20 15:27:59 once it's created, then you can use command line sqlite3 to access it Sep 20 15:28:09 thats what he wants to do Sep 20 15:28:09 sugardave: I'm trying to access it with something else to check on its content Sep 20 15:28:35 I'm now trying to figure out how to do so with sqlite3 Sep 20 15:28:47 did you find your db yet? Sep 20 15:29:14 nope Sep 20 15:29:25 I don't have any appstorage in /media/internal Sep 20 15:29:33 its prolly in ~/html5[something]/somedirthatlookslikeyourappid/xx Sep 20 15:29:54 sugardave: going to nyc? Sep 20 15:30:11 Bmyers: no, wish I was Sep 20 15:30:34 Bmyers:ok, I have a file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.lindicible.webos.solipeg_0 in ~/html5-databases Sep 20 15:30:41 now how do I open that with sqlite3 ? Sep 20 15:30:53 that's the directory Sep 20 15:30:57 switch into there Sep 20 15:31:03 type sqlite3 XXXXXX.db Sep 20 15:31:05 there should be a xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.db file in it Sep 20 15:31:29 ok Sep 20 15:31:50 and now do what Bmyers said Sep 20 15:31:54 sqlite3 xxxxxxxxxxxx.db Sep 20 15:32:01 (replace with actual filename) Sep 20 15:32:21 done that... I can select * from mytable, but it returns "1|[object Object]" wich isn't very helpful Sep 20 15:32:22 handy sqlite commands: Sep 20 15:32:33 .schema Sep 20 15:32:36 .tables Sep 20 15:32:41 .schema [tablename] Sep 20 15:32:42 select * from .schema; Sep 20 15:32:49 oh, Sep 20 15:32:51 yeah Sep 20 15:32:55 do that... Sep 20 15:33:05 but thats what your app put in the db Sep 20 15:33:07 Error: near ".": syntax error Sep 20 15:33:17 oh Sep 20 15:33:22 can't use .schema in regular sql Sep 20 15:33:29 the . commands are 'special' Sep 20 15:33:29 so that means the json object didn't end up in text there Sep 20 15:33:32 working on prototype on a website, pretty killer! Sep 20 15:33:52 whats the list of tables sugardave ? Sep 20 15:33:56 .schema? Sep 20 15:33:57 Famic: yeah, run the object through like this: Object.toJSON(theObject) before you store it to get the string Sep 20 15:34:03 Bmyers: .tables Sep 20 15:34:21 oh, huh, i do it the hard way i guess Sep 20 15:34:29 heh Sep 20 15:34:54 sugardave: I tried that, but it triggers an error Sep 20 15:35:04 why? is it huge? Sep 20 15:35:11 info: {"message": "near \"board\": syntax error", "code": 1} Sep 20 15:35:30 I think there is a problem with non escaped quotes Sep 20 15:35:45 ah, sounds like you have some data-cleaning to do Sep 20 15:35:45 as "board" is one of the json keys Sep 20 15:36:37 not so sure though Sep 20 15:36:46 \"board\" is properly escaped after all Sep 20 15:37:40 Famic: well, not sure what to say...something is wrong :D Sep 20 15:37:57 thanks anyway, I have better tools to play with now ;) Sep 20 15:38:13 would your data fit the relational model? i.e. can you break out each json property to its own column? Sep 20 15:38:30 sugardave: I could, but that would be no fun Sep 20 15:38:37 blob? Sep 20 15:38:49 you think blob would behave better than varchar ? Sep 20 15:38:55 it's VERY fun...I have a library that you can use and it loves JSON->SQL->JSON Sep 20 15:39:17 i would look at that Famic Sep 20 15:39:31 sugardave: copy/pasted the very best out there for his library Sep 20 15:39:33 hello friends Sep 20 15:39:43 anyone have tips on saving to the SQL DB only on app exit? Sep 20 15:39:52 got a link for that lib ? Sep 20 15:39:59 Famic: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects Sep 20 15:40:10 it's a little rough, still...but it gets the job done Sep 20 15:40:19 because it seems like in Cleanup, it doesn't wait around for the async stuff to finish Sep 20 15:40:32 funkatron: yeah wont work that way Sep 20 15:40:33 funkatron: right, haeffb was fighting that with one of his apps Sep 20 15:40:35 rught Sep 20 15:40:42 funkatron: you probably need to do it in a callback Sep 20 15:40:43 unfortunately the data seems to be too big for the cookie Sep 20 15:41:20 I'm starting to write all the time no matter what, and then identify some column (like name) that if it's blank on dialog exit, delete the record Sep 20 15:41:20 try two cookies? Sep 20 15:41:24 well, I'm speculating about the cookie thing, but when it loads the data back in, it complains about invalid JSON (and it's data the cookie model wrote) Sep 20 15:41:29 hehe Sep 20 15:41:44 Rawr Sep 20 15:41:53 yeah, I may need to strip it down. really I probably am storing too much. there's no upper limit atm Sep 20 15:42:02 more than 2k? Sep 20 15:42:13 2k whats? Sep 20 15:42:20 like 2k bytes? Sep 20 15:42:22 oh god yes Sep 20 15:42:22 cookie crumbs Sep 20 15:42:23 4k for cookies iirc Sep 20 15:42:34 the Mojo cookies can be larger IIRC Sep 20 15:42:39 4k, ok.. Sep 20 15:42:41 like, quite a bit larger Sep 20 15:42:42 4K is cookie max...never been answered if that's per cookie or for all app cookies Sep 20 15:42:43 Oh? Sep 20 15:42:53 maybe I'm wrong tho? Sep 20 15:42:58 4K is the # Sep 20 15:43:03 Kesne says per but I doubt it Sep 20 15:43:11 I doubt it, too Sep 20 15:43:17 i think thats per cookie sugardave Sep 20 15:43:18 but never proved it, so who knows? Sep 20 15:43:23 Its 4k max for cookies for sure Sep 20 15:43:25 sugardave: you'd know better than me. that's def way too small for my purposes Sep 20 15:43:32 okay, so, yeah. Sep 20 15:43:43 funkatron: can try depot, but will have the same asynch issue as sqlite Sep 20 15:43:53 cookies are handy cause they are not async Sep 20 15:43:57 yeah, I dropped depot because it was too slow I'm fraid Sep 20 15:43:59 afraid Sep 20 15:44:04 1mb for internal depot or sql, unlmtd if on media partition Sep 20 15:44:40 funkatron: you might have to adopt the 'write to the db all the time' method I'm using recently Sep 20 15:45:01 var db = openDatabase("ext:MyDB", "0.1"); would be on media partition, other internal Sep 20 15:45:03 Bmyers: its too bad depot and sql didn't have an option to opt out of asynch Sep 20 15:45:12 sugardave: yeah, that's what I'm doing. as the size increases ,though, we get slowdown. I need to chop down the size of what I'm saving Sep 20 15:45:27 part of the problem is that I'm saving the cached data for all users each time Sep 20 15:45:28 funkatron: ah, or smarter inserts/updates Sep 20 15:45:45 and then also I need to set an upper limit for the size. Sep 20 15:46:11 Most of the speed issue is with JSON encoding (I'm encoding the objects and then storing in a text field) Sep 20 15:46:12 funkatron: what I do is compartmentalize into separate db's based on what needs to be saved more or less frequently Sep 20 15:46:37 right, probably I need to do something along those lines Sep 20 15:47:33 okay, good to get a sanity check. thanks guys. Sep 20 15:47:41 Or like sugardave said, inserts combined with separate db's would be even more efficent Sep 20 15:48:34 right Sep 20 15:48:43 I may just keep separate DBs for each user account Sep 20 15:48:54 that's faster than multiple tables in one DB? Sep 20 15:48:58 mounrs Sep 20 15:48:59 or a single table? Sep 20 15:49:00 mourns Sep 20 15:49:24 Well what sugardave is saying is just "insert" the user data into the master db Sep 20 15:49:32 Instead or writing all of it Sep 20 15:49:45 Whichever user you need to save Sep 20 15:49:48 right, yeah Sep 20 15:50:07 aight then Sep 20 15:50:15 But honestly for simplicity sake I'd go with multiple db's Sep 20 15:50:24 might make sense Sep 20 15:50:26 Would just be a hassle if you ever wanted to export Sep 20 15:50:58 this is just cached data; it's non-essential Sep 20 15:51:08 just saves their timeline from last run Sep 20 15:51:25 Ah Sep 20 15:52:31 funkatron: are each pieces of the timeline separate things you need to track or is just a big ball of text? Sep 20 15:53:17 I want to store then as objects. I used to store just the final render of the HTML, but working with the mojo list, the object makes more sense Sep 20 15:53:46 but they are discrete things, there will be more than one timeline object for a given user? Sep 20 15:53:48 when it was just a ball of HTML, it was pretty fast, but there were tons of speed issues with scrolling as it got larger Sep 20 15:53:52 no Sep 20 15:53:57 I only cache a single set Sep 20 15:54:45 oh, so you should be able to use a single db with a single table, keyed to the 'user ID' or whatever and store their timeline object like that Sep 20 15:54:51 yep Sep 20 15:54:54 that's what I'm doing Sep 20 15:55:10 how big is this timeline data?! :D Sep 20 15:55:17 well Sep 20 15:55:18 If they are already objects why do you need to convert them to json? Sep 20 15:55:29 I can't store JSON natively in an SQL DB. Sep 20 15:55:39 sure you can Sep 20 15:55:42 but everyone would make fun of you Sep 20 15:55:44 sorry Sep 20 15:55:47 hahaha Sep 20 15:55:50 :D Sep 20 15:55:53 Rofl! Sep 20 15:55:56 I can't store JS objects natively in an SQL DB Sep 20 15:55:57 8) Sep 20 15:56:27 Funkatron. I save my objects directly and read them directly Sep 20 15:56:31 To sql Sep 20 15:56:36 okay Sep 20 15:56:58 I assume you are using .toJson ? Sep 20 15:57:03 no Sep 20 15:57:08 funkatron: you cheat with Object.toJSON(theThing) and eval it on the way out Sep 20 15:57:21 so you guys understand, that's what I'm doing Sep 20 15:57:29 Object.toJSON encodes it as JSON Sep 20 15:57:34 I'm encoding it as JSON Sep 20 15:57:36 to tore Sep 20 15:57:38 store Sep 20 15:57:46 Why though Sep 20 15:57:51 Save it directly Sep 20 15:58:02 [object Obkect] Sep 20 15:58:09 nice Sep 20 15:58:09 Is it possible to give some search propertyes for youtube? Sep 20 15:58:12 Anivrom|pre: code example? Sep 20 15:58:20 Maybe I don't understand this ara of js enoug Sep 20 15:58:21 that doesn't encode it as JSON? Sep 20 15:58:32 Oh wait Sep 20 15:59:10 Lol I just realized, I use cupcakes which does the toJson for me, so I do it too Sep 20 15:59:17 haha Sep 20 15:59:18 yes Sep 20 15:59:31 anyway Sep 20 15:59:31 yeah seeing object [Object] in your db is BAD Sep 20 15:59:34 I did it for the lulz Sep 20 15:59:35 haha 8D Sep 20 15:59:39 okay I need to run Sep 20 15:59:40 thanks guys Sep 20 16:00:53 Fyi kfc has an awesome dirt cheap lunch menu now Sep 20 16:01:10 * sugardave likes his way better. "Break out the JSON properties to discrete columns and use some wrappers to package up list items as 'records' to write and update, etc." Sep 20 16:01:32 Soundslike alot of worky work Sep 20 16:01:47 it's already been done Sep 20 16:01:51 orm.... mmmmmmmm Sep 20 16:02:03 Anivrom|pre: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database Sep 20 16:02:09 er, wrong one Sep 20 16:02:10 Rawr Sep 20 16:02:21 this one: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Database_Helper_Objects Sep 20 16:02:34 Oh, your helper object Sep 20 16:02:42 Rooooight Sep 20 16:03:04 it handles all of what I just said, you just have to plan :D Sep 20 16:03:47 I don't get why he would think to save all the data all th time Sep 20 16:03:49 Lol Sep 20 16:04:01 you;re too late haeffb_ Sep 20 16:04:08 i've had to cover for you Sep 20 16:04:13 alot of sql ?'s Sep 20 16:04:34 dammit haeffb_ Sep 20 16:05:13 prolly his home machine Sep 20 16:05:19 he's not even there Sep 20 16:05:52 Palm says you should save data as soon as you know it changed basically Sep 20 16:05:54 Anivrom|pre: that's a valid data storage strategy depending on what you need to do...this thing I'm working on requires me to save on every property change or important data (important to users) could be lost Sep 20 16:06:53 I understand that I do it to as you can assume from my tpe of game. I save about half my data out every second Sep 20 16:06:53 but, if your dataset is monstrous, you might have to change the way you deal with it Sep 20 16:07:20 But I don't save ALL my data out. Some data only needs to be saved when its changed Sep 20 16:09:00 mine goes like this: new event dialog (make a new db entry to get the resultId), user updates something in the dialog (update the record with only changes), user closes dialog (write again, but if there is no 'name' field delete the record instead) Sep 20 16:11:33 Right. And in my game the data is updated every second so I have to save whatever was updated every second which is stats. And I handle inventory changes as they happen Sep 20 16:13:27 json being basically text formatted, how come I can't just store it into a varchar db ? This is quite annoying Sep 20 16:13:48 you should be able to Sep 20 16:14:08 So instead of saving ebery user timeline again it makes sense so just storethe active users data Sep 20 16:16:15 sugardave: I tried but got errors. "syntax error" at first, and then another one about non existant column when I replaced the " with ` to wrap the data Sep 20 16:18:23 Famic: where is this data originating? Are you making it or is it an Ajax response or something else? Sep 20 16:19:07 sugardave: it is a json object that I create and use all around Sep 20 16:19:24 I use Object.toJSON() before trying to put it in the db Sep 20 16:20:13 there is an array in one of its properties, but I don't really believe that could be an issue Sep 20 16:21:02 should be fine, though I haven't tried embedding an array in json string stored in the db Sep 20 16:21:31 in the end, it's just text :/ Sep 20 16:22:00 yeah, it depends on how deep .toJSON goes, though Sep 20 16:22:31 according to what's dumped before the INSERT, it looks fine Sep 20 16:25:52 iit seems I got it now Sep 20 16:26:15 the ` to wrap the data were no good because they meant a fieldname to the engine Sep 20 16:26:42 and the " were no good because the properties and values are wrapped with unescaped " Sep 20 16:26:52 it seems to work by wrapping it with \' Sep 20 16:27:00 :) Sep 20 16:27:09 now to the next issue... Sep 20 16:27:23 ah, good luck, I have to go for a bit Sep 20 16:34:54 you seem to have lots of issues ;) Sep 20 16:44:26 warpdesign_: that's what she said, right before she broke up with me Sep 20 16:44:44 lol Sep 20 16:45:05 :'( it hurts so much Sep 20 16:47:00 anyone on their palms using Wirc app Sep 20 16:47:10 Uh me Sep 20 16:47:27 Everyday allday Sep 20 16:47:27 * bikefridaywalter raises his hand Sep 20 16:47:30 not now tho Sep 20 16:47:48 Its a terrible garbage app but we don't have much of a choice :) Sep 20 16:48:14 you do have a choice :) Sep 20 16:48:22 Oil's got complete webos irc dominance Sep 20 16:49:01 We don't have a choice: he threatened to kill my family if I ever switched :( Sep 20 16:49:05 make up your own "new" app Sep 20 16:49:09 lol Sep 20 16:50:20 Too much work and its not something tha I'd be interested in. Plus wIRC is already great. I was joking about the terrible garbage part :P Sep 20 16:50:37 oh...who here is using a Sprint palm pre Sep 20 16:51:01 But if it was terrible and garbage let it be known it WOULD be oils fault Sep 20 16:51:09 I am Ready for a palm pre+ Sep 20 16:51:53 Spencer, only difference is twice the ram. You should just get uberkernel with compcache. Save the few hundred bucks Sep 20 16:51:58 evening Sep 20 16:52:06 I have it Sep 20 16:52:54 Oh then why waste money on the pre plus Sep 20 16:52:55 but I have a few pre + here and the modd look eazy so I am going to give it a try Sep 20 16:53:01 Anivrom|pre, sorry, thought it was a joke.. Sep 20 16:53:03 Ah Sep 20 16:53:20 warpdesign_: lol! spsych Sep 20 16:53:28 :D Sep 20 16:53:29 and my mem is at 90% Sep 20 16:53:31 Psych? Sep 20 16:53:31 Sike?? Sep 20 16:54:03 bye now Sep 20 16:54:09 bye Sep 20 16:54:17 enough work for now.. this javascript is killing me :) Sep 20 16:55:57 I am tryin to hold on as long as I can for palm 2 but its been 16 months Sep 20 16:56:32 my wife got the new samsung and it looks sexy Sep 20 16:58:03 I love HP but.... I want the phone before the years end Sep 20 16:58:57 Yea really. They need a cutting edge device Sep 20 16:59:00 and now I am not so sure I hope this phone will hold out Sep 20 16:59:03 Liak nao! Sep 20 16:59:23 i just hope cutting edge doesnt = 5inch screen Sep 20 16:59:39 i lol everytime i see someone pull out one of those massive android phones Sep 20 16:59:49 yes We have been there all this time we just ask for a date or a month Sep 20 17:02:20 with all of the uberkernel and other mods its the only thing keeping me here with the hard work of those devlopers Sep 20 17:03:21 I don't mind massive. Bigger screen is better imo Sep 20 17:03:54 or a pico projector Sep 20 17:06:31 What do you guys think of music 2.0? Sep 20 17:06:42 ok see ya Sep 20 17:06:46 bye Sep 20 17:07:23 Lol he said see ya then said bye to himself...>_> Sep 20 17:07:47 Locks doors Sep 20 17:07:56 hah Sep 20 17:07:57 * Anivrom|pre locks door? Sep 20 17:08:43 Noooooooooooooooooo chuqui Sep 20 17:09:45 So yea watched inception for the third time only in theatres this time. I think I have all the conceptual pitfalls pretty much workedout Sep 20 17:27:01 sup ed Sep 20 17:29:31 sup Sep 20 17:34:43 Man I wanna take my planes to the field again. Been itching to the past few days. Any of you fly rc planes? Sep 20 17:35:39 I have this cheap battery cell wireless helicopter.. Sep 20 17:35:46 I won it from some competition... Sep 20 17:35:51 But that doesn't qualify, I guess :) Sep 20 17:36:06 Hah yea I have one of those too Sep 20 17:36:23 battery cell?wth im talking. It has one cheap battery on it. that's it. Sep 20 17:36:28 About 10min of flight time Sep 20 17:36:47 Nah my first plane starts at 150 whhich is considered cheaaaap and my 2m glider was 300 Sep 20 17:37:41 That's cool. I once drooled over some helicopter but once I understood the price of the whole thing I opter for airsoft.. Sep 20 17:38:34 Heh yea helis are more expensive and you get alot less flight time Sep 20 17:38:56 But they're so sweet.. on tube vids atleast Sep 20 17:40:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2J8kYNlVH0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Sep 20 17:40:52 That's my spitfire Sep 20 17:41:09 august payments arrived Sep 20 17:41:29 * haeffb_pre sees declining sales Sep 20 17:41:42 need NEW HARDWARE! Sep 20 17:41:50 Looks like its time for a new ap Sep 20 17:42:14 yes, Adora and chuqui, I'm talking to you! Sep 20 17:42:36 look! a puppy! Sep 20 17:43:44 * bikefridaywalter pokes chuqui Sep 20 17:43:45 Haha Sep 20 17:44:00 Anivrom|pre: that's one coold video. I'm still watching it Sep 20 17:44:03 morning chuqui Sep 20 17:44:10 ow Sep 20 17:44:28 Chuqui: rmember what I said a while back about your honesty? Sep 20 17:44:55 Well trade it in for new hardware! Sep 20 17:45:04 Liak yesterday Sep 20 17:45:34 bah, new hardware is overrated Sep 20 17:45:56 swisstomcat: how would we know? Sep 20 17:46:11 we haven't had any in soooo loooong.... Sep 20 17:46:28 now, someone remind me. why exactly do I come here every day? to be abused? Sep 20 17:46:34 Oh, yes. that's it. so carry on. Sep 20 17:46:44 I'll just sit here in the back and hide. Sep 20 17:46:45 * bikefridaywalter hugs chuqui Sep 20 17:47:55 napping already? what time is it again? Sep 20 17:48:13 if new hardware was my department, you'd all have new phones today. honest. If I could, I would. Sep 20 17:48:42 well then do something in your department and reply to my email already ;) Sep 20 17:48:47 haeffb_pre: you don't need new hardware every 6 months .. you're only allowed to have a new phone every 3 years .. because i say so Sep 20 17:49:57 that makes it easier for palm/hp Sep 20 17:50:23 I'd want my first phone. That's it. Even a used one. Sep 20 17:50:35 (no worries, folks. I understand... er Sep 20 17:51:05 * pandora-- waves Sep 20 17:51:10 get an used one from ebay Sep 20 17:51:13 hi pandora Sep 20 17:51:18 hemna_: around? Sep 20 17:51:25 yup Sep 20 17:51:37 hemna_: you made the aviation weather app right? Sep 20 17:51:44 heck, since I like you all so much... Sep 20 17:51:44 affirmative Sep 20 17:51:52 here, have a free wallpaper. Sep 20 17:51:53 With fall near, here's a wallpaper to get you in the mood http://t.co/tnkmr8i Sep 20 17:51:57 (grin) Sep 20 17:52:00 hemna_: nice! i've been using it for weeks and just checked the 'about' and saw it was you Sep 20 17:52:09 hehe :) Sep 20 17:52:12 hemna_: love it! Sep 20 17:52:15 are you a Pilot? Sep 20 17:52:21 I'm ALMOST done with a project I've been grinding on for a couple of weeks. Once that's done, I'll be setting up to publish mobile wallpapers, too. Sep 20 17:52:32 hemna_: have been a student (helicopter) pilot for a while, but just got my private this weekend! Sep 20 17:52:35 whew! Sep 20 17:52:45 oh man! you passed the checkride congrats! Sep 20 17:52:57 hell yeah! Sep 20 17:52:58 I remember when I passed mine Sep 20 17:53:01 what a relief! Sep 20 17:53:05 SERIOUSLY Sep 20 17:53:07 nice wallpaper, chuqui_napping ... fall colors are so much nicer in the US (indian summer) Sep 20 17:53:10 soooooo relieved Sep 20 17:53:21 hemna_: fixed wing? Sep 20 17:53:24 that is one of THE most stressful tests...ever Sep 20 17:53:28 yah Sep 20 17:53:38 heheh yeah, I did it in SVFR too Sep 20 17:53:57 pretty bad visibility Sep 20 17:53:58 There are some things I'd like to add to the app Sep 20 17:54:11 but I haven't worked on it in a while Sep 20 17:54:21 auto-rotation stuff? Sep 20 17:54:29 swisstomcat: in some parts of the US. Here in teh bay area, it's pretty boring... Sep 20 17:54:34 swisstomcat: oh yeah :) Sep 20 17:54:36 most of the real work is done in php on my server. the Webos app is just the ui basically Sep 20 17:54:44 gotcha Sep 20 17:54:46 good stuff Sep 20 17:54:53 hemna_: sometimes it just sits for ever "updating 6 airports..." forever Sep 20 17:55:02 forever forever Sep 20 17:55:08 hemna: a good case for node service in the webOS 2.0 version? Sep 20 17:55:27 hrmm Sep 20 17:55:35 do you have the latest version? Sep 20 17:55:37 replacing the php stuff Sep 20 17:55:45 lemme check Sep 20 17:55:59 beta v1.0.3 Sep 20 17:56:03 originally I had it wait for all results to come back, but I think the latest rev processes each individual METAR Sep 20 17:56:13 love the icon though ): Sep 20 17:56:14 :) Sep 20 17:56:17 heh Sep 20 17:56:24 I hacked that from an online chart Sep 20 17:56:48 Dang you guys make me jealous. I'm an aviation nut but don't have the moh nehs to get my licence. My uncle is a senior pilot for cathay pacific though Sep 20 17:57:06 And he's got an rv-8 Sep 20 17:57:09 yeah, heli's are freaking expensive Sep 20 17:57:15 planes are MUCH cheaper Sep 20 17:57:53 I'll just be content flying my scale rc warbirds Sep 20 17:58:06 .....I guess :'( Sep 20 17:58:23 * Anivrom|pre sniffles Sep 20 17:58:31 insurance for learning in a heli is WAY expensive Sep 20 17:58:47 plus you are still flying when the engine quits Sep 20 17:58:51 :) Sep 20 17:59:14 haha Sep 20 17:59:32 I'm working on getting my plane airworthy Sep 20 17:59:39 going through the annual process now Sep 20 17:59:50 ah Sep 20 17:59:56 what kind of plane? Sep 20 18:00:00 my grandfather gave me his old plane Sep 20 18:00:05 1961 Piper Colt Sep 20 18:00:23 I thought heli's had safety features that allow for graceful engine failure Sep 20 18:00:29 Nice Sep 20 18:01:14 Make some money doing airshows :P Sep 20 18:01:30 you are basically a falling rock in a Heli Sep 20 18:01:42 you do have auto rotation, but it won't save your skin Sep 20 18:01:57 It just delays your death a little bit Sep 20 18:01:57 oh yeah it will Sep 20 18:01:58 So nothing like what I described? Sep 20 18:01:59 lol Sep 20 18:02:13 i've done many many many engine failure recoveries Sep 20 18:02:21 it's surprisingly easy and fun Sep 20 18:02:25 yah Sep 20 18:02:28 I enjoy that stuff Sep 20 18:02:40 my favorite is short approaches Sep 20 18:02:56 it's not hard to get a heli to the ground safely without engine power Sep 20 18:03:15 so what did you fly for your checkride? Sep 20 18:03:24 robinson R22 Sep 20 18:04:01 i took this picture on a crosscountry flight a few weeks ago Sep 20 18:04:01 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs255.snc4/40111_422967421169_500696169_4640904_5522084_n.jpg Sep 20 18:04:27 the foreground heli, of course Sep 20 18:04:27 heh Sep 20 18:04:46 :) Sep 20 18:04:55 is that a huey in the back? Sep 20 18:05:27 have you flown since your checkride? Sep 20 18:05:43 swisstomcat: kinda looks like it huh? i'm not sure Sep 20 18:05:46 this is MY ride ;) http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/helicopters/size/v12_01.jpg Sep 20 18:05:49 hemna_: nah it was just yesterday :) Sep 20 18:05:52 ! Sep 20 18:06:01 THATS A BEAST Sep 20 18:06:45 here's a good view of me in the R22 cockpit http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs112.ash2/38951_422968221169_500696169_4640937_3756078_n.jpg Sep 20 18:06:45 http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs635.snc3/31853_387359581478_565261478_4517612_8233685_n.jpg Sep 20 18:06:50 that's my plane Sep 20 18:06:59 it had been sitting in a hangar untouched since 1996 Sep 20 18:07:07 wow that's a lot of dust lol Sep 20 18:07:08 that cockpit looks pretty easy Sep 20 18:07:24 yup! Sep 20 18:07:37 poor thing was just sitting there for years Sep 20 18:07:43 6hours on the motor Sep 20 18:07:49 SMOH Sep 20 18:07:50 nice! Sep 20 18:07:54 i've seen some robinson's around here too Sep 20 18:08:00 caching works much better, thanks folks Sep 20 18:08:01 I just bought new tires, tubes battery for it Sep 20 18:08:03 seem to be the cheapest one since it's gasoline Sep 20 18:08:25 I think it'll take about $4k to make it pass annual Sep 20 18:08:47 now I have a new issue: I have a fullscreen image viewer, with free rotation. works great, except when it is rotated landscape, it seems to think the window is only 325px wide Sep 20 18:08:48 where is your home airport? Sep 20 18:09:05 KLGB (long beach, CA) Sep 20 18:09:05 anyone run into issues with this? Sep 20 18:09:21 funkatron: nope, i have an image viewer in my app and has no problems with that Sep 20 18:09:25 sorry, haven't used the imageviewer .. i use canvas for that Sep 20 18:09:28 pandora--: well poop Sep 20 18:09:37 funkatron: ur doin it wrong. :P Sep 20 18:09:43 I guess so! Sep 20 18:09:45 heh Sep 20 18:10:03 Long Beach isn't too far. I'll have to fly down there once I get my BFR done and my plane airworthy again Sep 20 18:10:07 lemme just test it with no custom CSS Sep 20 18:10:10 ya mine was super simple in code, and worked very nicely. i think i adapted it from webos101.com Sep 20 18:10:22 hemna_: where're you based? Sep 20 18:10:33 KAUN - Auburn Sep 20 18:10:40 pandora--: yeah, I'm using the code from there Sep 20 18:10:41 isn't that by sac? Sep 20 18:10:49 yup, just east of Sac Sep 20 18:10:54 * pandora-- nods Sep 20 18:11:46 hemna_: is there anything cool to fly around up there? Sep 20 18:12:13 I don't think the flying club in Auburn has any helis Sep 20 18:12:18 it's a pretty small airport Sep 20 18:12:29 probably would have to find a club in Sac Sep 20 18:12:30 ah, yep, it's my CSS Sep 20 18:12:47 ewww, css Sep 20 18:13:49 funkatron: hehe Sep 20 18:14:13 hemna_: looks like KAUN has two pretty good sized heliports :) Sep 20 18:14:25 the CHP flies out of KAUN Sep 20 18:14:44 I know one of the CHP pilots that does traffic from a 182 Sep 20 18:15:07 * halfhalo runs from chp Sep 20 18:40:13 . Sep 20 18:40:32 .. Sep 20 18:40:38 mh :( Sep 20 18:40:59 hey Sep 20 18:41:03 how do i access the dropbox? Sep 20 18:41:21 hey codeslaw Sep 20 18:41:28 are you in early release program Nyceane Sep 20 18:41:30 nyceane: the web interface at dropbox.com? Sep 20 18:41:33 sup swisstomcat Sep 20 18:42:24 * bikefridaywalter signed up and got approved for early access.. and still hasn't seen the darn private forum. Sep 20 18:42:40 =( Sep 20 18:42:44 codeslaw, not allow to say Sep 20 18:42:51 Nyceane: try: https://www.dropbox.com/developers they shall have an api Sep 20 18:43:05 dundunDUN Sep 20 18:43:39 i have downloaded it Sep 20 18:43:48 dropbox client i maen Sep 20 18:43:49 mean Sep 20 18:44:59 you don't even need the dropbox client to download stuff Sep 20 18:45:01 use the website Sep 20 18:45:34 there is no instructions =| Sep 20 18:45:40 i m reading every post =| Sep 20 18:45:47 Nyceane: thought you would like to code an app for webos Sep 20 18:45:47 do you need instructions? Sep 20 18:46:06 okay- the api is there, i just confirmed it. Sep 20 18:46:12 go to the dropbox website, log on, accept the share inviation ... download stuff Sep 20 18:46:36 oh, my dropbox account is registered with another email =| Sep 20 18:46:58 tsk tsk tsk Sep 20 18:47:39 got it lo Sep 20 18:47:40 lol Sep 20 18:51:12 hey tibfib Sep 20 18:51:18 can I pm Sep 20 18:51:45 or maybe i should say Tibfib Sep 20 18:52:44 or fibtib Sep 20 18:52:53 or bifbit Sep 20 18:52:57 :) Sep 20 18:53:05 ha ha, i was going for the highlight Sep 20 18:53:13 i like bifbit though Sep 20 18:53:26 i prefer 0xDEADBEEF Sep 20 18:54:09 ha ha Sep 20 18:54:27 deadbeef will become his webos nickname one day Sep 20 18:55:08 adora! Sep 20 18:55:16 swisstomcat! Sep 20 18:55:29 * swisstomcat purrs Sep 20 18:55:31 Adora: dev day in NYC -- confirmed? Sep 20 18:55:37 hello, btw Sep 20 18:55:38 pretty much i think Sep 20 18:56:04 and who "leaked" that info first .. it was me :) Sep 20 18:56:12 indeed Sep 20 18:56:30 since i always read the blog while the americans are asleep .. and then tweet about it Sep 20 18:56:41 the developer blog Sep 20 18:56:58 I think josh technically leaked that, everyone's favorite developer relations "executive" Sep 20 18:56:58 hehehe Sep 20 18:57:11 yeah Sep 20 18:57:27 now they even have german articles on the developer portal .. what's with that? Sep 20 18:57:50 some took josh's phonegap tutorials and translated them to gibberish Sep 20 18:58:03 we're working on multiple developer events on both coasts of the US and around the world, so you keep watching that blog =] Sep 20 18:58:19 europe! Sep 20 18:58:24 :D Sep 20 18:58:29 zurich! Sep 20 18:58:30 europe! Sep 20 18:58:41 kopenhagen? Sep 20 18:58:56 i'd say either berlin or london Sep 20 18:59:30 copenhagen :p Sep 20 18:59:37 I don't know exactly what the plans are, but barcelona is confirmed for next year Sep 20 18:59:40 Palm + HP + WebOS-Internals ... win! :) Picture from the WebOS-Internals Booth at #FrOSCamp: http://yfrog.com/n7az4rj Sep 20 18:59:41 nah denmark would be pore, no one knows Palm :( Sep 20 19:00:02 adora: but that's not really a "developer day" per see is it? Sep 20 19:00:08 per se Sep 20 19:00:31 yeah, I duno...what did precentral say about it? Sep 20 19:00:39 * Adora smirks Sep 20 19:01:07 was just in barcelona back in march Sep 20 19:01:10 amazing city Sep 20 19:01:16 it's a nice city, no question Sep 20 19:01:40 thinking about coming to NYC in november Sep 20 19:01:41 amsterdam? Sep 20 19:01:46 I sooooooooo hope I'll get to go to barcelona Sep 20 19:01:53 it'll be on valentine's day...romantic! Sep 20 19:02:00 hehe Sep 20 19:02:07 the gaudi stuff is amazing Sep 20 19:02:13 ya Sep 20 19:02:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia Sep 20 19:02:47 i went up the tower there Sep 20 19:03:12 BATLLÓ HOUSE is very nice too Sep 20 19:03:19 oh gaudi Sep 20 19:03:22 * bikefridaywalter drools Sep 20 19:03:41 some old pics of mine: http://inorbit.ch/barcelona/2100.html Sep 20 19:04:15 my favourite: http://inorbit.ch/barcelona/2102.html Sep 20 19:04:21 swisscat, the church always have one of the best architectures lol Sep 20 19:04:26 nice Sep 20 19:04:39 for all of you planning on being there, give joshy a hug for me.. not like i don't see him every week but it would be fun :D Sep 20 19:11:49 is there any more info about the barcelona event next year, adora? Sep 20 19:12:14 newp Sep 20 19:12:20 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 20 19:12:27 any information there is will be on the developer portal as soon as we can share it Sep 20 19:23:23 Adora: Dev Day 3D: Austin, TX Sep 20 19:23:32 make it so Sep 20 19:23:35 lol Sep 20 19:28:17 ben is moving to austin in 2011 Sep 20 19:28:26 perfect! Sep 20 19:28:31 so likelihood of austin events should skyrocket Sep 20 19:30:55 sry, got disconnected Sep 20 19:31:43 codeslaw: maybe the Austin Dev Days attendees will get Hurricanes :D Sep 20 19:31:54 what... is a hurricane Sep 20 19:31:57 * sugardave feels like starting some rumors. Sep 20 19:32:02 the tablet, I think Sep 20 19:32:05 besides the watery hellstorms Sep 20 19:32:11 that invade our coastal provinces Sep 20 19:33:05 Hurricane === PalmPad? maybe Sep 20 19:33:13 mmm Sep 20 19:33:16 lol Sep 20 19:35:23 palmpad .. eeekkk Sep 20 19:35:30 couldn't they come up with a sleeker name? Sep 20 19:35:40 Hurricane is better :D Sep 20 19:37:01 yeah Sep 20 19:37:08 palm hurricane .. prepare to be blown away :) Sep 20 19:41:08 they need a name that will brand well against the iPad Sep 20 19:41:23 palmpad :D Sep 20 19:41:25 hurricane sounds too much like ANY android device Sep 20 19:41:27 pOS Sep 20 19:41:49 The Tab Sep 20 19:41:53 galaxy, hero, nexus, hurricane, droid Sep 20 19:41:57 fits right in Sep 20 19:42:10 i would think that they would stick with the way theyve named the current webos phones, something weird that starts with the letter p Sep 20 19:42:22 purricane Sep 20 19:42:25 haha Sep 20 19:42:30 * swisstomcat likes to purrr Sep 20 19:42:38 P-Pad Sep 20 19:42:42 ya Sep 20 19:42:45 hmm, no Sep 20 19:42:53 Py-Pad Sep 20 19:42:59 anything *pad sounds too much like something for females :) Sep 20 19:43:06 i doubt theyll use the word pad Sep 20 19:43:06 better than ipad-pad Sep 20 19:43:09 maxipad Sep 20 19:43:13 P-Pod Sep 20 19:43:14 that would just come off as kirf-y Sep 20 19:43:19 lol get it get it Sep 20 19:43:31 Pee Pod get it hahaha Sep 20 19:43:37 hmm Sep 20 19:43:45 just call it "Better" Sep 20 19:43:50 mine is Better Sep 20 19:44:08 Ion-X Sep 20 19:44:14 :D Sep 20 19:44:23 Its gonna be something weird like Palm Partha or Palm Pantha or Palm Partis Sep 20 19:44:33 Pantha...not bad Sep 20 19:44:34 PeaPod is nice Sep 20 19:44:48 Palm Panties .. eh Sep 20 19:44:49 Palm Pilot HD Sep 20 19:44:52 Palm Platypus Sep 20 19:44:54 hahaha Sep 20 19:44:58 i liek the platypus idea Sep 20 19:45:00 id buy that Sep 20 19:45:02 same Sep 20 19:45:04 http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/20/hp-says-webos-tablets-to-be-similar-to-the-ipad/ :> Sep 20 19:45:07 that would be awesome, adora .. a nod to the early days Sep 20 19:45:18 yeah Pilot HD would be awesome, too Sep 20 19:45:27 who would get the connection tho? Sep 20 19:45:36 usrobotics/3com palm pilot 1000 Sep 20 19:45:37 old timers Sep 20 19:45:42 like me Sep 20 19:45:55 chuqui_napping still napping? Sep 20 19:46:01 we lost the trademark battle with the pen guys, but I think we should unleash HP's legal team to get it back Sep 20 19:46:08 hehe Sep 20 19:46:08 for Pilot Sep 20 19:46:12 that would rock Sep 20 19:46:17 not young whippersnappers like adora Sep 20 19:46:19 Adora: wow... thats horse crap Sep 20 19:46:23 copyright class? Sep 20 19:46:30 pen vs electronic? Sep 20 19:46:40 * Adora shrugs Sep 20 19:46:51 then again, apple computers vs. apple records Sep 20 19:48:24 http://www.precentral.net/hp-files-palmpad-trademark Sep 20 19:49:26 just call it the pad MAXI Sep 20 19:49:32 that would end well... Sep 20 19:49:32 silly pad stuff Sep 20 19:49:33 EXTREME Sep 20 19:49:40 slate seems better Sep 20 19:49:50 Palm Patriot Sep 20 19:49:52 palmpad trademark filing could simply be to protect the brand Sep 20 19:49:54 meh Sep 20 19:50:04 being as it is such a lame name Sep 20 19:50:06 Palm Pilot 2010 Sep 20 19:50:06 go america Sep 20 19:50:10 heehee Sep 20 19:50:26 what about the Palm Re Sep 20 19:50:33 are you planning on going to developer day? Sep 20 19:50:40 me? Sep 20 19:50:43 anyone here use vonage? Sep 20 19:50:53 LoneStar99: hell no Sep 20 19:51:13 anyone... Sep 20 19:51:41 * halfhalo would go it he could Sep 20 19:51:54 did you go in california? Sep 20 19:51:59 * halfhalo did Sep 20 19:51:59 what if they decide to brand the tablet as an HP device Sep 20 19:52:08 it seems pretty freakin cool Sep 20 19:52:08 here at my mom's and not sure if I need to install software to get vonage working Sep 20 19:52:08 that runs webos Sep 20 19:52:13 i am sure it i do... Sep 20 19:52:26 codeslaw: that's what I'm thinking is oing to happen Sep 20 19:52:52 that would be cool. id like to see some awesome hardware paired with webos. that would make it a crazy good device. Sep 20 19:52:57 i'd prefer it to bepalm, but in the long run it might make more sense to be hp Sep 20 19:53:21 smartphones branded as Palm, other devices as HP...we'll see if I'm right Sep 20 19:53:31 * swisstomcat went to california .. halfhalo even picked me up at the airport :) Sep 20 19:53:42 swisstomcat: omg and you lived to tell the tale? Sep 20 19:53:44 impressive Sep 20 19:53:48 yup Sep 20 19:53:52 how was it in california? Sep 20 19:53:57 i heard u guys got free phones,,, Sep 20 19:53:58 yeah, i lived to see his driving skills Sep 20 19:54:08 only three people died! Sep 20 19:54:13 haha Sep 20 19:54:13 i just think that he wanted to spare my life Sep 20 19:54:15 i like those odds Sep 20 19:54:41 a great experience .. halfhalo showed me in-and-out burgers Sep 20 19:54:57 yummy stuff Sep 20 19:55:11 palm HQ was cool too .. met a lot of palm people Sep 20 19:55:18 yeah in&out are awesome Sep 20 19:55:24 silicon valley is interesting too .. would like to live there Sep 20 19:55:31 yeah, same Sep 20 19:55:40 so much tech stuff on a small space Sep 20 19:55:46 did anyone meet chuq? Sep 20 19:55:52 yup Sep 20 19:55:52 you can probably meet an enterpreneur or startup at any corner Sep 20 19:55:53 i did Sep 20 19:56:02 and adora Sep 20 19:56:05 yup Sep 20 19:56:06 and lemketron Sep 20 19:56:08 it seems like his job is intense.... Sep 20 19:56:09 yup Sep 20 19:56:25 them restaruants were gooood Sep 20 19:56:26 chuqui is awesome Sep 20 19:56:35 adora too :) Sep 20 19:56:41 will they be in NY? Sep 20 19:56:48 what was the pakistani place's name again? Sep 20 19:56:52 I want to meet people Sep 20 19:56:53 in sunnyvale Sep 20 19:57:20 ben should be in NYC since it's where he lives .. i missed him the last time in the city Sep 20 19:57:36 I dunno, I was only there for a few minutes Sep 20 19:57:51 hey hey Sep 20 19:57:51 how does it work, is it knowledge oriented, or like meeting people oriented? Sep 20 19:58:32 why? Sep 20 19:58:49 the dev days? knowledge oriented Sep 20 19:58:51 excited!! Sep 20 19:58:53 lots of tech talks Sep 20 19:58:59 i will be there Sep 20 19:59:01 that sounds AWESOME Sep 20 19:59:02 i cant wait Sep 20 19:59:14 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2062 Sep 20 19:59:17 who else is gonna try and come Sep 20 19:59:22 all the videos from april Sep 20 19:59:28 theres no age limit right... Sep 20 19:59:34 i'm thinking about it .. but my wife isn't going to like it :) Sep 20 19:59:40 nobody over 27 ozetadev Sep 20 19:59:43 when is it, again? Sep 20 19:59:49 nov 19-20 Sep 20 19:59:52 damn Sep 20 20:00:09 no way i'm going to make that .. sprout #2 is supposed to hatch on nov. 18th Sep 20 20:00:11 i ment like minimum age Sep 20 20:00:14 codeslaw: I will be in NYC! Sep 20 20:00:17 I will be attending Drupal camp Austin that weekend, though Sep 20 20:00:23 LoneStar99: word. beers. Sep 20 20:00:27 nobody > 27? dammit Sep 20 20:00:29 sigh Sep 20 20:00:30 yeah beers and shots Sep 20 20:00:33 drupal poopal Sep 20 20:00:37 you all have fun Sep 20 20:00:38 brb meeting Sep 20 20:00:43 swisstomcat: make it happen Sep 20 20:00:48 how? Sep 20 20:00:52 yeah Sep 20 20:00:56 sprout #2 is supposed to hatch on nov. 18th Sep 20 20:00:56 did anyone get free phones at the last one? Sep 20 20:00:58 swisstomcat: Sep 20 20:01:10 everyone got a free phone (pre plus) Sep 20 20:01:18 sweet Sep 20 20:01:21 swisstomcat: bring the incubator, sprout #2 gets free dual-citizrnship ;) Sep 20 20:01:23 think theyll do that in nY? Sep 20 20:01:31 sugardave: interesting idea! Sep 20 20:01:39 swisstomcat: take pics and hang out with baby, then haul ass to NYC Sep 20 20:01:53 yeah, but sprout #1 was late too Sep 20 20:01:54 my pixi has been very sluggish lately Sep 20 20:02:02 no deal Sep 20 20:02:05 i can't leave Sep 20 20:02:08 oh well Sep 20 20:02:25 at least i can go to JSConf.eu in berlin this thursday ... yay Sep 20 20:02:28 what does it cost to go to this event? Sep 20 20:02:34 $25 last time Sep 20 20:02:43 a steal i tell you Sep 20 20:02:47 with food and all Sep 20 20:02:50 it sounds like oone Sep 20 20:02:58 a palm pre plus is like 500 with our developer program... Sep 20 20:03:12 well, those dev devices are way too expensive Sep 20 20:03:20 yeah i cant afford that Sep 20 20:03:23 Good nigh tpeople Sep 20 20:03:25 chuqui said something a price change back in may .. nothing ever happened Sep 20 20:03:28 night hotdp Sep 20 20:03:37 laters hotdp Sep 20 20:03:39 i want free phones in NY haha Sep 20 20:04:03 ok need to concentrate on a website, brb in 30, to excited talking about NYC... Sep 20 20:04:32 are there like 100s of people who go? Sep 20 20:05:26 any star wars fans out there ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsQd2n99zS4&feature=related Sep 20 20:06:17 i have a feeling ill be one of two teenagers there... Sep 20 20:06:20 We're supposed to start with these operation programs first. That's major boring shit. Let's do something a little more fun. How about... combat training.  Sep 20 20:06:20 Ju jitsu? I'm gonna learn Ju jitsu.  Sep 20 20:06:20 Holy shit! Sep 20 20:06:36 any takers? Sep 20 20:06:49 combat training Sep 20 20:08:08 for the tablet, what do you think the price point would be. if they sell off contract phones for 500+ how could they sell a tablet for under 700? Sep 20 20:08:35 can be no more expensive than ipad or forget it Sep 20 20:08:43 indeed Sep 20 20:08:46 actually cheaper than the ipad would be better Sep 20 20:08:51 if only just a little Sep 20 20:09:04 with 139 kindles running around Sep 20 20:09:46 i dont see how they would do it Sep 20 20:09:56 maybe developer devices would go down to ~300 Sep 20 20:13:00 Bmyers: almost ordered a kindle the other =night, will wait a few weeks Sep 20 20:13:30 i dont see the draw of paying 200 bucks for a device, and then full price for books Sep 20 20:13:54 usually the books are a little cheaper? Sep 20 20:14:00 i know mine was Sep 20 20:14:03 oh Sep 20 20:14:03 portable library...easy to carry one kindle than 500 real books Sep 20 20:14:25 im not really a book person... so i guess thats why i dont want one Sep 20 20:14:37 i read for school, thats about it Sep 20 20:14:48 oh Sep 20 20:14:55 i snuggle up with programming manuals while my wife read stupid vampire books Sep 20 20:14:58 i will get a kindle forsure, easy to travel with tech books, and guides, than books Sep 20 20:15:09 rather than books Sep 20 20:15:13 real books Sep 20 20:15:18 Bmyers: interesting genre, vampires are usually smart Sep 20 20:15:21 heavy books Sep 20 20:15:34 id at least want a color eink display Sep 20 20:15:44 yeah, it is coming soon Sep 20 20:15:44 to read all my picture books of course Sep 20 20:15:54 being tested in amazon labs Sep 20 20:16:00 sugardave: up from your nap? Sep 20 20:16:04 i thought the CEO said that they wont adapt the color display for a long time Sep 20 20:16:39 Bmyers: oh yeah..waiting for the ballet school train to leave so I can get on the PS3 for a bit Sep 20 20:17:02 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/e-ink-shocker-amazon-ceo-says-color-kindle-is-still-a-long-way/ Sep 20 20:17:23 :) Sep 20 20:17:34 I won't get a kindle now...I'll write my own e-book reader for the Hurricane :D Sep 20 20:17:45 :( Sep 20 20:18:13 id buy that Sep 20 20:18:20 ozetadev: heard jeff bezos in an interview with charlie rose, that he has seen the color display, but not ready for prime-time, it is currently being tested in the lab Sep 20 20:18:21 how complicated would that be? Sep 20 20:18:24 it's okay SophieB, I'll sell it to you :D Sep 20 20:18:55 lol Sep 20 20:18:56 ozetadev: the interview was the day before the new devices rolled out Sep 20 20:19:10 :| Sep 20 20:19:24 * sugardave has a feeling that once webOS 2.0 is out there will be lots of e-book readers. Sep 20 20:19:25 sugardave: i didnt know you danced in ballet Sep 20 20:19:48 when is 2.0 supposed to launch? Sep 20 20:19:55 in a year Sep 20 20:20:04 Bmyers: nah, I tap.....seriously, my daughter has been taking ballet for 9 years now Sep 20 20:20:07 cool, cant wait. Sep 20 20:20:09 :\ Sep 20 20:20:13 really? Sep 20 20:20:17 :/ Sep 20 20:20:23 yeah, since she was really little Sep 20 20:20:23 hi all :) Sep 20 20:20:38 so which WebOS is this Sep 20 20:20:43 mine only lasted until AFTER we bought the outfits for recital before decided she didnt like it Sep 20 20:20:45 my e-book reader, though, will put all others to shame Sep 20 20:21:08 Bmyers: oops...mine is starting pointe this year, so now we get to really spend on some shoes Sep 20 20:21:10 of course! Sep 20 20:21:19 do you have any apps out currently? Sep 20 20:21:28 only the best ones Sep 20 20:21:42 :O Sep 20 20:21:43 SophieB: the webOS for Palm smartphones and future HP bad-assery Sep 20 20:21:57 oh Sep 20 20:22:05 whats the WebOS called Sep 20 20:22:11 not the one you were expecting SophieB ? Sep 20 20:22:12 surprisingly Sep 20 20:22:15 it;s call webOS Sep 20 20:22:38 EyeOS kind of works on the iPhone Sep 20 20:22:41 what does whats the webos called mean? Sep 20 20:23:08 ozetadev: i see your not english Sep 20 20:23:23 ?que Sep 20 20:23:38 i am english..... Sep 20 20:23:46 ozetadev: my apps are actually pretty bad (in a hilarious newbie way), but I have a couple I'm working on now that are much better than last year's crop Sep 20 20:23:52 i'm working on a new app called skynet Sep 20 20:23:52 ozetadev: you speak english Sep 20 20:24:25 SophieB: Yea i speak english, i must have missed context because i dont understand what the question is asking when you say "what is the webos called" Sep 20 20:24:44 sugardave: oh psh... mine suck, i just have fun doing it Sep 20 20:24:51 ozetadev: there are other "products" that call themselves "WebOS" or "a WebOS" Sep 20 20:25:06 sugardave: made 4 dollars on ads so far.... Sep 20 20:25:13 ozetadev: what is the webos called = whats the name of the WebOS Sep 20 20:25:19 after a year, I made $20 on ads :D Sep 20 20:25:52 ozetadev: most of the time I spend now is doing freelance work for other people, so my apps languish without updates Sep 20 20:26:13 sugardave: im trying to learn as much as i can so i can eventually do that,- Sep 20 20:26:21 * sugardave can't wait for the demand of hybrid apps and C++ developers who can't be bothered to learn Mojo. Sep 20 20:26:35 #IonOS Sep 20 20:26:54 sugardave: i thought you said you woke up from your nap? Sep 20 20:27:03 i am thinking of making IonOS a WebOS Sep 20 20:27:31 i will make it for Smart Phones if you help me Sep 20 20:27:45 do any of you guys have a palm pixi? Sep 20 20:27:54 Bmyers: I swear, I am awake Sep 20 20:28:10 i have a pixi plus (gsm) Sep 20 20:28:12 "C++ developers who can't be bothered to learn Mojo." ? Sep 20 20:28:14 ozetadev: haeffb_pre has a Pixi by proxy Sep 20 20:28:24 Bmyers: it will happen Sep 20 20:28:25 ive been having some performance problems lately Sep 20 20:28:27 its really strange Sep 20 20:28:37 it reboots at random times, and is often very slow Sep 20 20:28:42 i need a pre!@!! Sep 20 20:28:49 Bmyers: and I will be there, ready to provide that service for them :D Sep 20 20:28:52 1.4.5? Sep 20 20:28:56 Bmyers: We are all way too lazy to learn mojo. :) Sep 20 20:29:06 I am #1 on Elance when you search for webos providers ;) Sep 20 20:29:07 yeah mine is verizon 1.4.5 palm pixi plus Sep 20 20:29:08 you guys are funny Sep 20 20:29:31 sugardave: you're probably the only one one elance doing webos stuff :) Sep 20 20:29:31 well i can still be number 2 i guess Sep 20 20:29:34 no you guys need to support IonOS Sep 20 20:29:37 #IonOS Sep 20 20:29:46 chromeOS Sep 20 20:29:51 can it core a apple? Sep 20 20:29:56 swisstomcat: probably true, that's a good thing, too :D Sep 20 20:30:11 whats elance? Sep 20 20:30:31 http://www.elance.com/ freelancing site Sep 20 20:30:53 sweet Sep 20 20:30:56 you made 2600 of there? Sep 20 20:31:01 f ^ Sep 20 20:31:11 so far, so good...booked a bit more that I"m working on atm Sep 20 20:31:31 nice dude.. Sep 20 20:31:40 what do people ask you to do on that site? Sep 20 20:31:44 almost made your sprint premiums back.. Sep 20 20:31:47 porn! Sep 20 20:31:48 and that's just simple Mojo stuff Sep 20 20:31:55 webcam elance stuff mostly.. Sep 20 20:32:01 halfhalo: nice Sep 20 20:32:01 haha Sep 20 20:32:20 guys support us Sep 20 20:33:06 sugardave: any specific apps i might see by you in the catalogue? Sep 20 20:33:50 #IonOS you can support us Sep 20 20:33:53 ozetadev: all kinds of stuff...I've done a ringtone application, a video player, and a flashcard app Sep 20 20:33:59 you can help dev Sep 20 20:34:12 sugardave: whatr they called? Sep 20 20:35:08 OH i think ive seen the flashcard app Sep 20 20:35:19 Today's email quote: "...and it was the most enjoyable death march I've ever experienced." Sep 20 20:35:22 no, the flashcard guys disappeared a few weeks after paying me Sep 20 20:35:29 never submitted their app Sep 20 20:35:32 *shrug* Sep 20 20:35:36 thats strange..... Sep 20 20:35:48 at least they paid you Sep 20 20:35:48 so you released it on your own? Sep 20 20:35:56 Bmyers: nope Sep 20 20:36:23 I just delivered the source code, got paid and waited for them to do it....never happened and all the emails now bounce Sep 20 20:36:34 you never make any serious cash without screwpals Sep 20 20:37:06 is there any documentation on webService anywhere? Sep 20 20:37:18 well, these were "the bad guys" anyway...I'm wondering if they've been banned from app submission :D Sep 20 20:37:36 brighthouse labs? Sep 20 20:37:43 indeed Sep 20 20:37:52 under yet another name Sep 20 20:38:29 what is brighthouse labs? Sep 20 20:38:47 big time app spammers Sep 20 20:38:54 the guys that released the recipe apps over and over again Sep 20 20:39:03 and the sports one Sep 20 20:39:06 recipes for monday, recipes for tuesday, etc Sep 20 20:39:18 did they get in trouble? Sep 20 20:39:22 no Sep 20 20:39:26 people hate them, though Sep 20 20:39:32 especially developers Sep 20 20:39:42 ill make note of them on my hate list :D Sep 20 20:39:48 I pissed off a lot of people when they found out I took that job Sep 20 20:39:50 cause the clogged the review process Sep 20 20:40:09 but, it's all good now, it seems Sep 20 20:40:24 Adora: missouri is a long distance from both coasts... Sep 20 20:40:33 I contributed zero to BHL's output, got paid, and maybe had something to do with them disappearing :D Sep 20 20:40:56 were the recipes for monday the same as tuesdays? Sep 20 20:40:56 it was really bhl you did work for? Sep 20 20:41:05 for shame. Sep 20 20:41:12 Bmyers: I assume it was...I KNOW it was AppBookShop Sep 20 20:41:19 ozetadev: that would have been silly Sep 20 20:41:22 same MO with "e-book" readers Sep 20 20:41:49 AppBookShop releases like 1204023051203502346 apps a day Sep 20 20:42:16 shovelware Sep 20 20:42:35 i like how insanely fast the approval process has been Sep 20 20:42:39 right, I turned that one down...an offer to re-work their existing reader. But, I didn't recognize it was the same account when I did the flashcard one until spdsktr tweeted me out about it Sep 20 20:43:01 u know why the app process is fast now? Sep 20 20:43:16 i dont think they hired more ppl Sep 20 20:43:46 some automation has been achieved Sep 20 20:43:56 hp could of allocated bunch of resources there Sep 20 20:44:12 i cant imagine that they have an insane amount of apps to review Sep 20 20:44:22 what are they up to now like ~4000 apps? Sep 20 20:44:32 i think ppl are devel for other platforms now Sep 20 20:45:15 i m still diong it for webos =| Sep 20 20:45:46 one more week of pdk hot app left Sep 20 20:45:55 i hope, HOPE they never do another hot apps contest again Sep 20 20:45:58 i wonder if i can get my hp envy lol =D Sep 20 20:46:04 why? Sep 20 20:46:08 codeslaw: NOOOOO....I need a hybrid contest Sep 20 20:46:10 and a partner Sep 20 20:46:26 look at the ridiculous bullshit people like WizardApps are doing to the catalog Sep 20 20:46:41 not to single them out Sep 20 20:46:45 supply and demand =( Sep 20 20:46:47 its everyone Sep 20 20:46:57 wrong... there is no demand for their shit Sep 20 20:47:01 i lost interest in the hot apps when i started loosing out to fart and boobs apps Sep 20 20:47:10 the problem is the free side of teh contest being based on number of downloads Sep 20 20:47:20 anything with a shiny icon has an excellent chance Sep 20 20:47:28 but look at the ratings Sep 20 20:47:30 garbage Sep 20 20:47:38 yah i know Sep 20 20:47:39 yet they will win 10k for spamming daily updates Sep 20 20:47:41 darth vader breath is getting $10K .. wrong Sep 20 20:47:51 that is wrong Sep 20 20:47:53 darth vader is getting 60k Sep 20 20:47:56 there are so many awesome apps out there Sep 20 20:47:58 its rewarding absolute trash Sep 20 20:48:12 60k? Sep 20 20:48:15 i'd like there to be a review comittee Sep 20 20:48:29 isnt angry birds getting 100K? Sep 20 20:48:30 like judges pick 10 top apps Sep 20 20:48:31 the could weight your download count with your rating Sep 20 20:48:37 and then look at the other garbage app like songwave ;P Sep 20 20:48:48 ya songwave is crap Sep 20 20:48:56 that wouldnt be fair codeslaw, if that was the case it can be rigged Sep 20 20:49:08 codeslaw: true, I haven't seen the fallout since I haven't competed in them and I don't watch the catalog much Sep 20 20:49:13 wtf is songwave? Sep 20 20:49:16 i'm scared Sep 20 20:49:28 songwave is a terrible app that DOESN'T let you make cool beats on your phone for free Sep 20 20:49:40 word Sep 20 20:49:56 look at all those piano apps Sep 20 20:49:57 i wonder who's the fool that wrote it Sep 20 20:49:58 a hybrid fart/boob app would make bank for sure.. Sep 20 20:50:05 but seriously, if i don't start updating songwave, it's going to fall out of the top 20 Sep 20 20:50:09 Bmyers, agreed Sep 20 20:50:13 I actually want to make a paid hybrid app to compete Sep 20 20:50:19 i do like the little 303 bass synth emulator Sep 20 20:50:21 codeslaw: really? that's too bad Sep 20 20:50:21 losing to apps like the 2 star rated Dog Whistle Sep 20 20:50:29 and Don't Touch Sep 20 20:50:30 but i certainly like terminal a lot more ;) Sep 20 20:50:37 they should factor in reviews too Sep 20 20:50:39 somehow Sep 20 20:50:41 i like dog whistle =D Sep 20 20:50:51 downloads*avg.review Sep 20 20:51:02 10000*1 Sep 20 20:51:07 or 5000*5 Sep 20 20:51:09 oh, and service bell Sep 20 20:51:15 lol, duno who wrote service bell =| Sep 20 20:51:28 servicebell: shiny icon Sep 20 20:51:38 wait, are they counting total downloads or unique downloads? please say unique downloads Sep 20 20:51:46 unique Sep 20 20:51:49 unique Sep 20 20:51:49 okay Sep 20 20:51:55 at least it was for the sdk hot apps Sep 20 20:51:57 but people still spam updates for placement in the catalog Sep 20 20:52:01 sure Sep 20 20:52:13 i'm not even following the pdk hot apps anymore Sep 20 20:52:24 i decided not to participate .. lack of skills Sep 20 20:52:26 updated 9/9/2010 : new shinier icon.. Sep 20 20:52:27 Back That Thang Up Sep 20 20:52:29 service bell: updated every single day... version 1.0.0 Sep 20 20:52:32 i duno who wrote that =| Sep 20 20:52:53 codeslaw: The meta update spam is driving me crazy. Sep 20 20:52:54 bhl aka sugardave Sep 20 20:53:02 anything sexual related shouldn't be allowed Sep 20 20:53:07 why? Sep 20 20:53:22 I think meta-updates should not bump to the top of the "what's new" list...nothing is new in the app Sep 20 20:53:23 some apps where just eye candy apps Sep 20 20:53:33 they just need to move away from a quantity based reward system Sep 20 20:53:37 how many "hot asian chix" apps where there? Sep 20 20:53:43 i lost count Sep 20 20:53:43 isn't that in a way a lot of games? eye candy Sep 20 20:53:49 its creating an android-like frenzy of garbage to try and win money Sep 20 20:53:56 i propose downloads*avg.review Sep 20 20:54:09 good thing it's going to be over soon Sep 20 20:54:17 at least i brought some cool iphone games over Sep 20 20:54:19 yes Sep 20 20:54:27 devs would just poorly review other apps Sep 20 20:54:35 even more Sep 20 20:54:36 ozetadev: devs are the vas minority Sep 20 20:54:39 vast* Sep 20 20:54:46 our reviews aren't going to turn the tide Sep 20 20:54:59 UNLESS WE BAND TOGETHER Sep 20 20:55:15 if they do launch another contest on the same premise Sep 20 20:55:19 we're getting the band back together dude... Sep 20 20:55:24 night everyone Sep 20 20:55:27 night Sep 20 20:55:31 night Sep 20 20:55:32 l8r swiss Sep 20 20:55:36 night Sep 20 20:55:39 *poooooooof* Sep 20 20:55:55 honestly i can't understand the "fart and boobs" category myself Sep 20 20:56:08 * Mousey perks up Sep 20 20:56:08 i'm just saying.. Sep 20 20:56:09 hmm? Sep 20 20:56:23 i didnt make any fart and boob apps =| Sep 20 20:56:25 just to let you know Sep 20 20:56:36 well, i made one, then i suspended it Sep 20 20:56:37 * Mousey 's interest tapers off Sep 20 20:56:38 when you lost out then Sep 20 20:57:24 i dont entirely blame the devs who make those apps Sep 20 20:57:32 how come google summer of code contests arent clogged with fart and boob apps? Sep 20 20:57:34 its a lot of money Sep 20 20:57:36 if it meant making 10k id make as many fart and boob apps that it took... Sep 20 20:58:09 that's what i m doing =| Sep 20 20:58:13 i dont know why palm would accept them Sep 20 20:58:18 palm could be taking action to stop the catalog abuse, and they aren't Sep 20 20:58:19 not much bragging rights there Sep 20 20:58:21 why not? Sep 20 20:58:30 no, the problem is there is no judge system Sep 20 20:58:46 add a section to the app catalog: updated apps Sep 20 20:58:48 I've been through many contests, and the ones I hate the most is public vote Sep 20 20:58:50 dont lump it all into new Sep 20 20:58:55 new apps for NEW apps Sep 20 20:59:03 are there any APIS to connect to the flash? Sep 20 20:59:09 no Sep 20 20:59:13 on the camera? or adobe? Sep 20 20:59:21 camera Sep 20 20:59:26 no to both :) Sep 20 20:59:33 I just think there should be panel of judges, hot apps makes you a "qualifier" Sep 20 20:59:38 damn, i want a strobe app Sep 20 20:59:39 then panel of judges "decides" Sep 20 20:59:53 this way all the fart apps can get into qualifier but still have to wait for judges to decide Sep 20 20:59:53 that would be better Sep 20 21:00:04 and you can make it that 1000 apps can qualify Sep 20 21:00:08 just make a fart/boob category Sep 20 21:00:17 if palm makes another contest Sep 20 21:00:27 i'm going to write a FartBoob app generator Sep 20 21:00:34 me too Sep 20 21:00:37 that will literally generate apps Sep 20 21:00:42 swap images/names/souds Sep 20 21:00:43 asian seems to popular Sep 20 21:00:44 package Sep 20 21:00:48 in both farts and boobs Sep 20 21:00:52 i m just gona load the entire market with bunch of fart/boob related apps Sep 20 21:00:52 hah. googles images and dl's them Sep 20 21:00:53 dunno why Sep 20 21:00:54 ozetadev: there are probably homebrew apps that mess with the flash Sep 20 21:00:57 run the script for 10 minutes, have 100 unique apps Sep 20 21:00:59 submit all Sep 20 21:01:11 i saw one for the Pre Sep 20 21:01:22 but it didnt work on the pixi and required a root Sep 20 21:01:28 codeslaw: I know a guy who can write that very framework for you >_> Sep 20 21:01:31 root fart app? Sep 20 21:01:41 strobe app Sep 20 21:01:42 lol Sep 20 21:01:47 sugardave: lets Sep 20 21:02:17 that would just force palm to make better rules... Sep 20 21:02:22 the ADC was a pretty successful event Sep 20 21:02:28 actually, it is INSANELY easy to write framework apps Sep 20 21:02:46 no doubt Sep 20 21:02:52 I figured it out...just sayin' :D Sep 20 21:03:13 sugardave: yeah, I made one too :) Sep 20 21:03:18 EPUB reader. Sep 20 21:03:22 bastard Sep 20 21:03:38 does it unzip files? :D Sep 20 21:03:40 http://code.google.com/android/adc/adc2_judges.html Sep 20 21:03:51 Do you have to be invited to developer day Sep 20 21:03:52 palm can easily load one with HP/Palm Sep 20 21:03:59 sugardave: nope... it isn't a dynamic epub reader Sep 20 21:04:02 you gotta put an epub in Sep 20 21:04:22 those r fake Sep 20 21:04:27 still cool, did you release it yet? Sep 20 21:04:29 Gada Amit Sep 20 21:04:36 sugardave: nope. Sep 20 21:04:45 sugardave: sent it off to O'Reilly. Sep 20 21:04:51 ah, nice Sep 20 21:05:04 unsolicited? Sep 20 21:05:08 or did they contact you? Sep 20 21:05:10 ozetadev: no invite necessary Sep 20 21:05:13 I have a.... tangential question to WebOS dev, more specifically regular web dev. If a site doesn't offer a rest/ajax api, is there another way to pull data out of it? Sep 20 21:05:20 codeslaw: thanks Sep 20 21:05:34 summatusmentis: scrape the css? Sep 20 21:05:38 summatusmentis: just parse the responseText Sep 20 21:05:41 summatusmentis: scrape it out of the html Sep 20 21:05:41 sugardave: they contacted me for doing "technical review" of the palm pre missing manual... so I got to know people and said "hey I could make an app!" Sep 20 21:05:50 Tibfib: nice! Sep 20 21:06:02 sugardave: I'm not sure what you mean by responseText Sep 20 21:06:12 ideally, you would write your own webservice that does this, and caches it. scraping HTML on the phone could get very hairy Sep 20 21:06:22 hrm Sep 20 21:06:25 summatusmentis: you just do a regular Ajax request and you get the page source in the responseText Sep 20 21:06:51 oh, so it's just straight HTML vs. XML or JSON Sep 20 21:06:52 couldnt you just write PHP to scrape the content, and then export it as XML, and then use th RSS reader to pick it up? Sep 20 21:07:12 summatusmentis: right, and then you can put it in some div, then access it via DOM methods Sep 20 21:07:20 hrm Sep 20 21:07:33 summatusmentis: or regular expressions on it, etc...whatever really Sep 20 21:07:52 downside to trying to learn webos dev after being a C dev: you have to learn all of the web development stuff first Sep 20 21:08:15 Bmyers: see? summatusmentis is a potential customer in a hybrid app world Sep 20 21:08:24 and yes, I know I can use PDK Sep 20 21:08:43 sugardave: you go girl... Sep 20 21:08:52 hybrid app world? I didn't follow that Sep 20 21:09:03 hot webos 2.0 app Sep 20 21:09:27 fart using node.js? system service boob app? Sep 20 21:09:40 summatusmentis: I was talking earlier about the coming glory days of "hybrid apps" available in webOS and C/C++ devs who can benefit from someone who knows Mojo and needs stuff done right now Sep 20 21:09:49 Bmyers, with judges =) Sep 20 21:10:10 sugardave: yeah, it's fairly official. once one book gets out I think quite a few more will start to come in Sep 20 21:10:12 we're all pros at grading farts i guess Sep 20 21:10:12 sugardave: indeed. :) Sep 20 21:10:15 previous winners can become judges Sep 20 21:11:17 sugardave: I just have this concept app I want to write, but I'm not sure exactly how to start, because all of the web services I'm considering don't really have full apis yet Sep 20 21:11:38 welcome to developing for palm Sep 20 21:11:44 lol Sep 20 21:11:59 Bmyers: these are non-palm things Sep 20 21:12:15 summatusmentis: I know what you mean...it sucks when you have to resort to scraping the HTML ny hand Sep 20 21:13:10 he's working his mojo on a potential prospect, stand back. Sep 20 21:13:32 and watch a pro work.. Sep 20 21:13:41 well, pro-bono anyway... Sep 20 21:14:26 sugardave: I'd like to not have to, ideally Sep 20 21:14:42 but, yeah. Sep 20 21:15:26 * codeslaw taps pencil on notebook while waiting for sugardave to make his move Sep 20 21:16:05 wow, fart bomb finally got pushed down to $1000 level Sep 20 21:16:33 for the record: I certainly don't have the cash to pay someone who knows what they're doing to do the part I don't know how :) Sep 20 21:16:35 summatusmentis: it's your only option if there's no API...the fun part is figuring out form submissions, etc. Sep 20 21:16:54 sugardave: indeed, I was just thinking about that Sep 20 21:17:01 im a noob, is there an easy way to submit a form to a php file located on the internets? Sep 20 21:17:14 codeslaw, fart app got pushed down from $10,000 bracket Sep 20 21:17:37 i noticed Sep 20 21:18:09 summatusmentis: so, first pro-tip: get Live HTTP Headers for firefox Sep 20 21:18:36 that will let you see what gets sent in response to form submission for a given web page Sep 20 21:18:52 i'm just sad i was passed by 3 "touch the screen for a sound" apps... Sep 20 21:18:55 one more week to go, hopefully i get something lol Sep 20 21:19:13 whats your app Nyceane Sep 20 21:19:13 codeslaw, 4 Sep 20 21:19:20 indeed Sep 20 21:19:22 codeslaw: was it big red buzzer? Sep 20 21:19:26 natural drum Sep 20 21:19:36 i think those are gona get beaten by supernes Sep 20 21:19:42 i really hope supernes gets to 50,000 braket Sep 20 21:19:57 no, don't touch, service bell, dog whistle Sep 20 21:20:08 superness is the same guy who did visualboyadvance Sep 20 21:20:15 can't both win 50k Sep 20 21:20:30 supernes entered pretty late Sep 20 21:21:02 well, Nintendo created a great console, so no suprise that people want to play it Sep 20 21:21:45 well, if i win this time, i'll go buy myself a palm for sure lol Sep 20 21:22:08 get a droid.. Sep 20 21:22:33 i have a droid Sep 20 21:22:34 alot more fart app available in market.. Sep 20 21:22:48 i actually made few good apps for android Sep 20 21:23:10 did they fart when you touch the screen, maybe i;ve seen your work.. Sep 20 21:23:28 no, i dont have any fart apps =( Sep 20 21:24:16 loosing out man.. some fart apps and ads $ for haynes.. good money there.. Sep 20 21:24:47 what apps do you have in the market? Sep 20 21:25:36 pickup sports Sep 20 21:25:38 droid dance Sep 20 21:26:13 bunch of event apps, i am moving those away from my main account Sep 20 21:26:16 oil spill review Sep 20 21:26:51 dance app? pedometer for dancing ? Sep 20 21:26:55 most of my apps on android market doesn't even host ads Sep 20 21:27:43 Bmyers, yah, i use it to track dance beats and calculate them into calories burned Sep 20 21:28:18 at the same time you can view all the other dancers thats using the application at the moment, surprisingly it got more popular than pickup sports Sep 20 21:28:44 5 star rating.. Sep 20 21:30:48 just from my experience crappy apps gets a lot more downloads than good apps =| Sep 20 21:31:14 is there are boobs and farts, thats a recipe for success it seems Sep 20 21:31:32 didnt realize so many 13 yr olds have $500 smartphones Sep 20 21:31:39 yah, but the thing is how to compete with all the other fart/boob app Sep 20 21:32:03 on palm pre it's easy, there isn't competition Sep 20 21:32:11 but when it comes to android/iPhone, you get buried Sep 20 21:32:41 has to be a unique app to rise to the top of the fart pile Sep 20 21:33:04 i have a really good idea that's better than fart/boob app Sep 20 21:33:22 i might release it soon lol Sep 20 21:33:52 what is it? Sep 20 21:34:18 not gonan tell you, but I might not release it on palm as I dont want to pollute the market Sep 20 21:34:35 unless i suspend like 5 other apps on palm before releasing it Sep 20 21:35:09 anyone else notice a big decrease in their palm app sales over the past 2 months? Sep 20 21:36:03 where are you checking for stats? i know the dev portal has been completely wrong for my app for the past two weeks Sep 20 21:36:26 he "my app" section and reporting Sep 20 21:36:33 t^ Sep 20 21:36:41 my numbers have been frozen for two weeks Sep 20 21:36:51 its been talked about on the forums Sep 20 21:36:57 amazingly aggravating that #'s are frozen Sep 20 21:37:06 yeah Sep 20 21:37:08 precentral? Sep 20 21:37:08 yours too? Sep 20 21:37:21 are those unique dls? Sep 20 21:37:22 * KGF2009 waves. Sep 20 21:37:29 or total #s? Sep 20 21:37:36 What'd I miss? Sep 20 21:37:41 unique Sep 20 21:38:00 sugardave: tried to out-do Opra and bought everyone new cars. Sep 20 21:38:25 check under your seat... Sep 20 21:38:35 maybe he got u 1 Sep 20 21:39:41 all i got was a toyota prius with a hole in the floor that said "Emergency Brake" over it.. Sep 20 21:39:41 precentral isnt even listing DL #s for my app... Sep 20 21:45:25 their feed relies on the palm public feed Sep 20 21:45:31 which isn't accurate anyway Sep 20 21:47:15 makes me sad to see how much money EA is going to win in the contest... like they freakin need it Sep 20 21:47:56 no kiddddding Sep 20 21:48:07 and rovio. Sep 20 21:48:32 80k for EA Sep 20 21:48:49 80k? Sep 20 21:48:58 80k for gameloft Sep 20 21:49:06 ya 50 + 3 10k winners Sep 20 21:49:54 60k for Chalazia Sep 20 21:50:03 who is chalzia Sep 20 21:50:03 Natenai Ariyatrakool Sep 20 21:50:04 i mean Sep 20 21:50:07 ah Sep 20 21:50:08 ya Sep 20 21:50:19 fine by me Sep 20 21:50:31 i personally don't like the hockey game, but its well made Sep 20 21:51:16 i WAS cool with pixi dust winning 50k because its just a kid... until he started spamming the catalog full of free versions of his paid apps begging people to download pixi dust Sep 20 21:52:01 i want 50k =( Sep 20 21:52:11 i duno how i can get that many downloads in 2 days Sep 20 21:52:19 botnet Sep 20 21:52:22 9 days yo Sep 20 21:52:28 or boob farts Sep 20 21:52:34 boobfarts Sep 20 21:52:51 pixi dust is made by a 9 year old? Sep 20 21:53:02 no. Sep 20 21:53:05 14 Sep 20 21:53:07 or osmething Sep 20 21:53:15 high school sophomore i think Sep 20 21:53:15 50k for a 14 year old isn't bad Sep 20 21:53:29 i hope it goes towards college or something Sep 20 21:53:36 me too Sep 20 21:53:55 even if i don't respect the tactics Sep 20 21:54:02 but i m almost positive its gona go towards his car and chicks Sep 20 21:54:22 * Tibfib wants 50k Sep 20 21:54:29 and crack Sep 20 21:54:34 herm waht? Sep 20 21:54:41 dude... he is a high school kid writing 10+ apps for the palm pre Sep 20 21:54:41 i want 50k too =( Sep 20 21:54:46 Tibfib, which one is your app? Sep 20 21:54:46 chicks... are nowhere to be seen Sep 20 21:54:55 don't have any pdk ones Sep 20 21:54:56 chicks... don't make a peep Sep 20 21:54:58 that is... until they hear about the money Sep 20 21:55:01 are you kidding me? Sep 20 21:55:02 codeslaw, things will be different when you have 50k as a high school student Sep 20 21:55:04 they love 50k Sep 20 21:55:07 truuuth Sep 20 21:55:15 50k can get you laid for 2 year straight Sep 20 21:55:17 grou-pres! Sep 20 21:55:19 from high school chicks Sep 20 21:55:24 without any STD Sep 20 21:55:35 or pregnancy! Sep 20 21:55:37 a 15 year old made that charlie bit me app for the iphone, it was number 7 last week Sep 20 21:55:39 hey hey... STD free costs you extra, depending where in the country you are Sep 20 21:56:03 that's why making a living doing mobile apps is a crapshoot Sep 20 21:56:04 literally Sep 20 21:56:08 keep shooting crap until it sticks Sep 20 21:56:17 quote me on that Sep 20 21:56:30 i hope angry bird takes the 50k for the free version Sep 20 21:56:37 they can't Sep 20 21:56:40 then they couldnt take the 100k Sep 20 21:56:47 oh Sep 20 21:56:56 you only get 1 of the first 2 Sep 20 21:56:56 so glowing hockey can only take 100k then Sep 20 21:57:11 yeah Sep 20 21:57:17 i dont know why they are allowing multiple 10k prizes... if they didnt, spam fest would be much reduced Sep 20 21:57:19 100k is nice, i want 100k =| Sep 20 21:57:34 10k isn't alot considering someone is winning 50k Sep 20 21:57:54 ea has multiple 10k ones without spamming Sep 20 21:58:14 10k is like a drop in the bucket for them though Sep 20 21:58:55 ya Sep 20 21:58:59 i wouldnt mind 10k extras Sep 20 21:59:05 EA is the biggest game company in the world Sep 20 21:59:17 yah, but they arent asking for 10k Sep 20 21:59:21 its just handed to them Sep 20 21:59:27 they aren't even "competing" Sep 20 21:59:58 yah Sep 20 22:00:27 thats why i'd like a judge system Sep 20 22:00:35 and given some time to build apps Sep 20 22:00:37 rather than this... Sep 20 22:02:13 question Sep 20 22:02:32 what if you have 7 apps that's in the $10,000 bracket and 20 apps thats in $1000 bracket Sep 20 22:02:39 all boobs/fart apps Sep 20 22:02:53 and nothing in 50,000 > bracket Sep 20 22:03:29 cha-chicks! Sep 20 22:03:45 it would be an interesting study for an economist to try to estimate the historical world gdp contribution from boobs. Sep 20 22:03:49 hopefully, its design awards the next time around Sep 20 22:03:55 not barnyard garbage fest Sep 20 22:05:09 codeslaw, i think palm wants gabagefest Sep 20 22:05:17 so they can hit their 5000 app milestone Sep 20 22:05:39 le sigh Sep 20 22:06:01 anybody here have a list of gotchas for getting your actual app launcher icon to replace the default crescent moon icon? i have double checked spelling and case in my appinfo.json file, file existence, and file attributes but still get the default launcher icon Sep 20 22:06:09 i use android as main phone, i probably have 10 apps that i use Sep 20 22:06:10 bartholemew: Sep 20 22:06:13 i just responed on the forums Sep 20 22:06:17 icons are cached Sep 20 22:06:20 thanks will look Sep 20 22:06:23 delete app and try again Sep 20 22:06:28 if that fails, restart the phone Sep 20 22:07:26 thanks. i had tried deleting the app completely w/no success so now restarting the phone ... will take a while ... Sep 20 22:07:32 Hmm, I hit 45C while charging :/ Sep 20 22:08:03 codeslaw: How are your apps doing in the contest? Sep 20 22:08:19 losing rank to "touch the screen for a sound" apps =( Sep 20 22:08:36 still hanging in at 13... but if i want to stay alive i'm going to have to update Sep 20 22:08:41 Rabdor, I think codeslaw have several apps in $10,000 Sep 20 22:08:47 just 1 Sep 20 22:08:47 Hmm, it just hit 49C with the back off and off the charger Sep 20 22:08:55 codeslaw: That sucks. Sep 20 22:08:55 any in $1000 rank? Sep 20 22:09:05 Robdor, yours? Sep 20 22:09:25 I'm at 51 or something like that. I think I got in too late to really place well. Sep 20 22:09:28 damn hemna is gone Sep 20 22:09:31 poop Sep 20 22:09:38 Nyceane: my app startdust is ranked 70 Sep 20 22:09:46 last ranked app in the 1k category Sep 20 22:09:48 wow, thats a good app Sep 20 22:10:00 codeslaw: oh that's yours? cool :) Sep 20 22:10:23 codeslaw: it would be so much cooler if particles didn't align into grid patterns :( Sep 20 22:10:35 pandora--: when do they align? Sep 20 22:10:58 i'm too far behind the curve to probably even get in the door before the contest ends and my app is cheesy as well just 'coz need to limit scope w/limited dev time and limited dev knowledge. rules are rules and you can't really begrudge folks for gaming the system Sep 20 22:11:05 stardust will make the $1000 for sure Sep 20 22:11:19 if you have a lot on screen and you do a multitouch and let go they end up aligning into non-organic geometric groups (grids,etc) Sep 20 22:11:41 does anyone mind helping me with a easy javascript variables problem? Sep 20 22:11:41 pandora--: you sure you aren't thinking of Pixi Dust? Sep 20 22:11:47 but definitely having fun as a new webos dev & hoping to do something more substantial Sep 20 22:11:48 mbarvian: sure Sep 20 22:11:49 my app is ranked 30 something, hopefully it will reach $10,000 Sep 20 22:11:58 Nyceane: Which app is yours? Sep 20 22:11:59 codeslaw: lol Sep 20 22:12:00 codeslaw: thanks Sep 20 22:12:03 codeslaw: i'll go away now Sep 20 22:12:03 Snore Sep 20 22:12:14 what's stardust? lol damnit Sep 20 22:12:15 sorry Sep 20 22:12:17 ya Sep 20 22:12:25 pandora--: try mine and let me know what you think Sep 20 22:12:37 hittin the store now Sep 20 22:12:44 she's a freebie Sep 20 22:12:52 basically, the problem is: i define this.newValue in a MainAssistant.prototype.myfunction(), and then try and call it from another function using this.myfunction.newValue Sep 20 22:13:01 downloading Sep 20 22:13:06 thanks for the correction :) Sep 20 22:13:09 * pandora-- is an ass Sep 20 22:13:10 why doesn't that work, or how can set a variable in one function and call it from another? Sep 20 22:13:12 np Sep 20 22:13:21 mbarvian: how are you calling that second function? Sep 20 22:13:36 just setting the innerhtml to this.myfunction.newValue; Sep 20 22:13:37 sounds like a pretty basic scope issue Sep 20 22:13:45 btw my dev phone has no contract and is unlikely to get one anytime soon ... saw on one of the webos blogs that there is or was a sleuthed out url to download free ipk's off the web ... that still around? Sep 20 22:13:46 yeah i know, new to this stuff though Sep 20 22:13:51 :) Sep 20 22:14:20 you said you call it from another function though Sep 20 22:14:24 how do you call that other function Sep 20 22:14:38 well, that other function is just the setup function of the scene Sep 20 22:14:47 @codeslaw - you rock, thanks for tip on cached icons. my icon is now there after a phone restart. Sep 20 22:14:56 codeslaw: ok, that's so much cooler than pixidust Sep 20 22:14:58 gj Sep 20 22:15:02 bartholemew: np, that stuff was bothering the crap out of me too Sep 20 22:15:10 pandora--: many thanks =D Sep 20 22:15:35 codeslaw: only criticism would be kinda flickery? Sep 20 22:15:48 ya, framerates =P Sep 20 22:15:57 you overclocking? Sep 20 22:15:58 whats it run at? Sep 20 22:16:09 targetting 24fps Sep 20 22:16:15 not overclocking atm Sep 20 22:16:20 is it better with OC? Sep 20 22:16:34 codeslaw: any solutions? not to sound pushy lol :) Sep 20 22:16:56 waaayyy better... i was deving it on an OC phone, and ended up having to scale back # of particles because i forgot Sep 20 22:16:59 mbarvian: sorry Sep 20 22:17:07 codeslaw: np Sep 20 22:17:23 in what function do you set that variable Sep 20 22:17:32 this.returnedValue? Sep 20 22:17:34 yes Sep 20 22:17:42 just in the myfunction Sep 20 22:17:47 nowhere else Sep 20 22:17:51 codeslaw: Are you batch drawing your particles? Sep 20 22:17:51 i just call it from another function Sep 20 22:18:03 yeah that definitely chugs mah fone Sep 20 22:18:11 600mhz didnt help much Sep 20 22:18:18 Robdor: no... should i? Sep 20 22:18:19 and i lock if i go past that Sep 20 22:18:20 hehe Sep 20 22:18:30 pandora--: The pre already overclocks to 600Mhz when running a fullscreen PDK app Sep 20 22:18:40 orly?? Sep 20 22:18:47 even pre non-plus? Sep 20 22:18:51 Supposedly Sep 20 22:18:53 yep Sep 20 22:18:55 codeslaw: It would probably speed things up quite a bit. Sep 20 22:19:00 huh. how about that Sep 20 22:19:11 how would i go about batch drawing them Sep 20 22:19:16 pandora--: So 800Mhz or forget about it :) Sep 20 22:19:36 ehhhhhhhhhh i dunno Sep 20 22:19:39 codeslaw: should i define it somewhere else first? Sep 20 22:19:39 i haven't gone that high Sep 20 22:19:43 codeslaw: You should only have a handful of glDraw* function calls per frame Sep 20 22:19:46 just go to 1G and be done with it Sep 20 22:19:49 codeslaw: Like 3 or 4 Sep 20 22:19:50 jeebz Sep 20 22:19:54 codeslaw: Just line up all of your points into one vertex array. Sep 20 22:19:57 i did 550 once and locked my pre Sep 20 22:20:24 pandora--: you would have been using the crap overclocking patches that didn't come from WebOS Internals Sep 20 22:20:37 Did they get the voltage wrong or something? Sep 20 22:20:47 mbarvian: when do you call the second function that references that variable Sep 20 22:20:49 what's better? screenstate or ondemand? Sep 20 22:20:59 pandora--: install Govnah and UberKernel from Preware, use Screenstate 500/1000 Sep 20 22:21:00 rwhitby: and i should be using?? Sep 20 22:21:02 codeslaw: before the first function Sep 20 22:21:04 screenstate for sure Sep 20 22:21:12 rwhitby: yeah i have uberkernel/govnah Sep 20 22:21:17 codeslaw: in the same assistant Sep 20 22:21:20 mbarvian: need to post some source code, i don't know what is happening Sep 20 22:21:24 ok Sep 20 22:21:31 Clear Water is winning like 10 laptops I think Sep 20 22:21:38 he has 2 Fart Bombs Sep 20 22:21:43 1 MMS Sep 20 22:21:58 Robdor: how do i account for spaces in the vertex array? Sep 20 22:22:00 codeslaw: well the source is a lot more complicated Sep 20 22:22:02 Oh man I need to make a fart app and get me a laptop :P Sep 20 22:22:20 codeslaw: Are you using GL_LINES? Sep 20 22:22:23 My game kind of stalled as I started making this "SDL-like API built on top of OpenGL" Sep 20 22:22:24 basically, i made a function that creates a variable called this.newValue Sep 20 22:22:29 Robdor: yes Sep 20 22:22:31 pandora--: don't be below 500MHz for the lower frequency - some devices lock when you do that. I've not heard of a device that locks at 800 for the high end. Even 1G seems to be stable on all devices I know about. Sep 20 22:22:32 wow damn 800mhz really makes stardust smoove Sep 20 22:22:35 and i am trying to call newValue from another function Sep 20 22:22:42 codeslaw: is this possible? Sep 20 22:22:52 Oh, for particle effects there is an OpenGL ES extension that makes them much more efficient Sep 20 22:22:56 Point sprites, iirc Sep 20 22:22:56 rwhitby: just eats more battery though during use Sep 20 22:23:01 codeslaw: ^ Sep 20 22:23:04 125/600 seems to be nice for me Sep 20 22:23:10 mbarvian: it is... but when/how that other function is being called is important Sep 20 22:23:16 pandora--: yep, TAANSTAAFL Sep 20 22:23:27 codeslaw: ok, how do you call it? Sep 20 22:23:34 codeslaw: *I Sep 20 22:23:35 oops, one too many A's Sep 20 22:23:36 rwhitby: what?? Sep 20 22:23:39 Amaranth: i don't think we have any such extension available in the PDK Sep 20 22:23:48 There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch Sep 20 22:24:00 hah ya Sep 20 22:24:04 mbarvian: well you need to make sure that the function has the same reference to "this" as when you set it Sep 20 22:24:15 question from [17:14] .... can you still (or now) get the ipk's off the web for free apps & is palm ok with it? (my dev phone is off contract) Sep 20 22:24:46 so something like this.myOtherFunction.bind(this) Sep 20 22:24:53 codeslaw: ok. If the function that creates the variable is called MainAssistant.prototype.myFunction(), could I call the variable by MainAssistant.prototype.myFunction.newValue? Sep 20 22:24:57 bartholemew: yeah you can. i did that for a while with wifi Sep 20 22:25:10 codeslaw: I don't remember off the top of my head for GL_LINES. Sorry. :( Sep 20 22:25:26 bartholemew: if you browse to precentral.net you can install apps through their links, and the standard app catalog still works over wifi-only too Sep 20 22:25:28 Robdor: its cool, i will look into batch drawing later tonight, thanks for the tip Sep 20 22:25:32 codeslaw: Pretty sure we do Sep 20 22:25:38 codeslaw: If I had a PDK on linux I'd check :P Sep 20 22:25:53 Amaranth: do you know what it's called, or what i can look for to find out? Sep 20 22:26:19 Let me fire up *bleh* firefox and check Sep 20 22:26:25 my chromium nightly is crashy today Sep 20 22:27:08 mbarvian: no, you don't reference the function... but really this is too confusing without source code Sep 20 22:27:18 bartholemew: use the MetaDoctor, and log back into the Palm Profile that the phone had previously. Sep 20 22:27:29 bartholemew: that's the only legitimate way to do it Sep 20 22:27:29 codeslaw: ok fine but don't steal it please lol Sep 20 22:27:51 i tried the app catalog over wifi (my wifi is working & i can browse the web & use google maps) but when i launch the app catalog i get "The action could not be completed. Try again later." Sep 20 22:28:01 mbarvian: anyone who wants to steal your source code can do some immediately when you release it... showing us here doesn't change that Sep 20 22:28:10 codeslaw: I think Amaranth is talking about something like this: http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/1575-how-to-render-confetti-fireworks-and-more-with-opengl-es/ Sep 20 22:28:10 what's command to do private message? Sep 20 22:28:14 bartholemew: had the phone previously been activated? Sep 20 22:28:37 codeslaw: Not much info on that page, but it's somewhere to get started at least. Sep 20 22:28:41 Robdor: Yep, that's exactly it Sep 20 22:29:05 codeslaw: i was jking lol Sep 20 22:29:13 We have OpenGL ES 2.0 support so we should also have the OpenGL ES 1.1 extension for it Sep 20 22:29:24 dev phone is a used sprint pre and already had 1.4.5 on it so i did not webos doctor it, just ran the activation bypass .jar from palm Sep 20 22:29:49 codeslaw, do you think you can knock pixi dust out? heh Sep 20 22:29:50 Robdor && Amaranth : i used point sprites early on, and while faster, stardust changes the length of the line according to velocity Sep 20 22:29:55 it had been activated for the prior owner but they switched carriers & sold the phone to me Sep 20 22:29:58 Nyceane: no. too much spam Sep 20 22:30:01 codeslaw: http://pastie.org/1171010 Sep 20 22:30:03 ah Sep 20 22:30:08 codeslaw: made it as simple as possible Sep 20 22:30:22 i COULD rig that up with a straight line texture and some rotation Sep 20 22:31:30 This is graphics programming, you need to rig everything Sep 20 22:31:52 Although if you're calling glDrawElements for each sprite just combining those will probably get you a large speed boost Sep 20 22:32:00 ya Sep 20 22:32:03 good point Sep 20 22:32:12 9 days left, you need to do whatever you need to do man Sep 20 22:32:17 Function calls are evil Sep 20 22:32:18 codeslaw: am I doing something wrong? Sep 20 22:32:19 i'll combine them first, and see where that leaves me performance wise Sep 20 22:32:24 otherwise you'll fall out of 10k rank Sep 20 22:32:32 mbarvian: yes.. but how do i edit a paste on pastie? Sep 20 22:32:40 Nyceane: i know =( Sep 20 22:32:55 codeslaw: there's a button to the right, at least for me Sep 20 22:33:05 codeslaw: if not, just copy/paste it into a new pastie ;) Sep 20 22:33:07 codeslaw: I'm batching the background starfields in Plasma Cannon. It made a big difference for performance. I'm going to work on batching the particle system sometime in the next few weeks. Sep 20 22:33:49 codeslaw: Just loaded the app, with that many particles combining the glDrawElements commands should certainly give a nice speed boost Sep 20 22:33:59 mbarvian: http://pastie.org/1171024 Sep 20 22:34:08 codeslaw: The trick is efficiently creating the array to pass to glDrawElements Sep 20 22:34:15 Amaranth: word... going to try that Sep 20 22:34:36 and ya, creating the array will require some thought Sep 20 22:34:54 but now.. what if i want to change the color for each line? Sep 20 22:35:08 codeslaw: thanks, but that won't work cause the function I have is more complicated :( Sep 20 22:35:25 codeslaw: is there a way to define a global variable in a function? Sep 20 22:35:38 yes Sep 20 22:35:46 codeslaw: how? Sep 20 22:36:26 http://pastie.org/1171024 Sep 20 22:37:40 codeslaw: You can use a color array that is set up like a vertex array. Sep 20 22:37:56 excellent Sep 20 22:38:31 alright, i'm headed home... should be back later Sep 20 22:39:04 codeslaw: that returned undefined, let me just paste the entire thing Sep 20 22:39:24 ok real quick Sep 20 22:39:31 otherwise i have to help you later on Sep 20 22:39:40 codeslaw: http://pastie.org/1171033 Sep 20 22:39:47 codeslaw: please excuse my poor coding skills Sep 20 22:39:55 we wont Sep 20 22:39:57 no worries.. whats the problem lines? Sep 20 22:40:04 hmm where are db's stored? Sep 20 22:40:22 codeslaw: 14 and the last function Sep 20 22:40:55 codeslaw: thanks again for your help Sep 20 22:41:02 rwhitby? Sep 20 22:41:03 is retrievedCupcake an asynchronous call? Sep 20 22:41:43 codeslaw: dunno, but the function's here: http://pastie.org/1171037 Sep 20 22:42:08 codeslaw: line 91 ^^ Sep 20 22:42:15 yes, DB gets are asynchronous Sep 20 22:42:28 codeslaw: alright, so what do i have to do? :) Sep 20 22:42:30 you have to wait until the callback gets called before you can access this.returnedValue Sep 20 22:42:43 codeslaw: how? Sep 20 22:42:54 so you could move line 14 into your function gotCupcake Sep 20 22:43:15 or you can make line 14 its own function, and call it from the function gotCupcake Sep 20 22:43:41 codeslaw: i want to use gotCupcake for more reasons that updating it though, like just returning the value of the db entry Sep 20 22:43:43 codeslaw: Well, you have your array of colors too Sep 20 22:43:43 or any scheme that ensures you don't try to access this.returnedValue until AFTER gotCupcake has been called Sep 20 22:44:05 codeslaw: Or you can combine the two and finally get to use that stride parameter to the glDrawElements function :) Sep 20 22:44:21 codeslaw: is there a way i could do that? Sep 20 22:44:24 Amaranth: hhmmmm that would be a monster optimization Sep 20 22:44:40 mbarvian: ya, just create another function called setReturnValue or something Sep 20 22:44:48 that has your line14 Sep 20 22:44:55 codeslaw: and call it from gotCupcake? Sep 20 22:44:58 yes Sep 20 22:45:03 codeslaw: Even with point sprites you'd want to do this optimization so if this isn't enough you can layer the point sprites work on top Sep 20 22:45:10 codeslaw: i think i understand, let me try Sep 20 22:45:13 cool Sep 20 22:45:15 codeslaw: And probably get 30 fps on 250Mhz :P Sep 20 22:45:15 i'llbe back later Sep 20 22:45:26 Amaranth: nice.. gonna work on this tonight Sep 20 22:45:54 found it. it's /var/palm/data/ in case anyone cares Sep 20 23:12:28 Trying to wrap up Relego here... When it's rotated everything on the main scene expands correctly -except- the list. Sep 20 23:12:41 It's stuck at 320px. Sep 20 23:16:55 Anyone have some ideas? Sep 20 23:26:56 Roy-Pre101: It used to work Sep 20 23:27:09 * haeffb_ hasn't looked at the code in weeks Sep 20 23:28:08 haeffb: Try pulling the latest. Rotation has never worked right as far as I can tell. Sep 20 23:28:17 It could be that someone broke it inadvertently. Sep 20 23:29:25 * haeffb has to try to remember how to get git Sep 20 23:31:41 * haeffb needs another hackathon so I can relearn git Sep 20 23:35:05 git pull (url to the github repository) Sep 20 23:35:47 anyone up to field a question about SDL surfaces & card view? Sep 20 23:41:51 surface it up Sep 20 23:42:43 i am prerendering several scenes that don't change during the lifetime of my app, and blitting the applicable scene to the screen under control of the business logic. when i go to card view from my app, i have three other completely black cards that appear next to it, when i swipe up to dismiss my app, these three black cards all are dismissed along with the single card that i intend to display Sep 20 23:43:21 oh, interesting .. i have no clue Sep 20 23:43:55 when i first start the app, there is some herky jerky rendering too that is apparently the three black cards popping up in the background, before my main screen pops up Sep 20 23:45:33 also, if i dismiss any of the three black cards, all of them plus my app screen are dismissed Sep 20 23:54:13 Roy-Pre101: in src.css, just change the two body styles to width 480px; instead of 320px; Sep 20 23:56:08 Re: my question from [18:42] ... problem apparently is unintended multiple calls to SDL_SetVideoMode Sep 20 23:56:57 Roy-Pre101: never mind...that won't work. Sep 20 23:57:11 gonna have to adjust the style in JS Sep 21 00:00:05 but it is the body.palm-default and body.palm-default.dark styles that are causing the problem Sep 21 00:00:27 need to manually change the height and width attributes on rotation. Sep 21 01:05:50 I think Spaz should just convert messages into a series of clicks and grunts Sep 21 01:07:24 and boobs Sep 21 01:14:35 funkatron: Morse code via camera flash Sep 21 01:14:42 nice Sep 21 01:14:46 I like both of those ideas Sep 21 01:14:48 hi all! Sep 21 01:14:59 hi JenP Sep 21 01:15:06 hi sugardave! Sep 21 01:15:21 Hey, anyone have a suggestion for a first app for me that is easy to make? Sep 21 01:16:25 tip calculators were popular in the beginning Sep 21 01:18:05 Eh, seems simple. Sep 21 01:19:13 you did ask for something easy to make 8D Sep 21 01:21:27 That I did. Sep 21 01:26:05 KGF2009: a world clock, with no pictures, no spinning globe, just 6 rows of cities and times, and make sure it handles DST changing at different times in different hemispheres and countries, and make sure it handles :30 and :15 timezones (e.g. GMT+13:45 - Chatham Islands) Sep 21 01:26:24 rwhitby: it ain't shit if it don't spin Sep 21 01:26:27 KGF2009: by default it shows current time Sep 21 01:26:35 funkatron: no globe at all Sep 21 01:26:47 OHHH! make it talk too! when you press a city Sep 21 01:26:50 SPIN THAT SHIT Sep 21 01:26:54 ;-) Sep 21 01:27:00 no pictures, no background gradients. palm default theme, no other images. Sep 21 01:27:06 lol Sep 21 01:27:13 no kidding. less is more sometimes Sep 21 01:27:29 Tibfib, I think I got the scrolltoNew workin Sep 21 01:27:30 KGF2009: when you tap one of the 6 rows, you can select a new time, and then it displays the corresponding time in the other rows Sep 21 01:27:48 funkatron: nice! have you thought about timeline markers? Sep 21 01:27:49 oh oh and make it ring a bell for 6am Austrailian time....rwhitby needs to wake up Sep 21 01:27:56 I've thought about it. Sep 21 01:28:06 I decided my brain hurt too much to do it Sep 21 01:28:17 I just got this damn thing to use lists Sep 21 01:28:20 funkatron: lol, you could do it as a divider Sep 21 01:28:37 yeah Sep 21 01:28:42 I may explore that in the future Sep 21 01:28:48 or, of course, someone else could too Sep 21 01:28:53 KGF2009: create an app like that, and I'll buy it for $10 Sep 21 01:29:05 funkatron: did you see my ticket about remembering scroll position? Sep 21 01:29:13 KGF2009: put a spinning globe in it, and the price goes down to $0.50 Sep 21 01:29:13 Tibfib: mmmmmno Sep 21 01:30:33 lets make apps woth animated icons Sep 21 01:30:36 Wait, I don't have any scrollback. What app? Sep 21 01:30:37 funkatron: with some math, you could get the mojo scroller to remember the scroll position before you add items to the list, and have it stay in place Sep 21 01:30:46 oh yeah Sep 21 01:30:49 I do that on desktop Sep 21 01:30:52 KGF2009: BTW, I don't care about the weather in the other 5 cities. it's a world clock app, and I can multitask to open a weather app :) Sep 21 01:31:05 funkatron: yeah, gonna do it in mojo messenger Sep 21 01:31:19 cool, SOUNDS LIKE A WIN-WIN Sep 21 01:31:28 *STEVENCOVEY* Sep 21 01:31:30 So wait, you want an app where you can input a time and see it in multiple timezones? Sep 21 01:31:38 I didn't see the beginning. Sep 21 01:31:42 Cursed terminal. Sep 21 01:31:57 KGF2009: a world clock, with no pictures, no spinning globe, just 6 rows of cities and times, and make sure it handles DST changing at different times in different hemispheres and countries, and make sure it handles :30 and :15 timezones (e.g. GMT+13:45 - Chatham Islands) Sep 21 01:32:20 * Tibfib would pay for that Sep 21 01:32:24 I suck at timezones Sep 21 01:32:36 shit brah, you just specced out that app yourself Sep 21 01:32:47 me too... Sep 21 01:32:50 if only JS and PHP's date and time stuff Sep 21 01:33:02 Derick did such an awesome job on that Sep 21 01:33:23 rwhitby: Do you want to be able to -enter- the time, or just take the system time? Sep 21 01:33:25 and it needs to realise that one of the cities might have changed to DST, but none of the others have. oh, and one city might have gone forward one hour, and another city might have gone backwards one hour, and yet another one hasn't changed at all Sep 21 01:33:43 KGF2009: system time by default, enter a new time to plan a global teleconference Sep 21 01:33:46 KGF2009: take system time, but let you enter it Sep 21 01:34:24 Sounds like a good idea for my very first app. Sep 21 01:34:35 Simple, yet underrated. Sep 21 01:34:40 KGF2009: don't screw it up with CSS :) Sep 21 01:34:51 Whatcha mean? Sep 21 01:34:55 yeah, your .css file has to be empty Sep 21 01:34:57 what rwhitby mentioned Sep 21 01:35:05 pure default palm theme. no glitz Sep 21 01:35:08 I wouldn't go THAT far Sep 21 01:35:15 * KGF2009 is just going with whatever palm-generate gave him. Sep 21 01:35:31 Or I could just remove the CSS linking line altogether. Sep 21 01:35:46 you want the mojo css Sep 21 01:36:19 NO GLITZ Sep 21 01:36:28 * KGF2009 wasn't planning on glitz. Sep 21 01:38:28 KGF2009: have you used Preware? Sep 21 01:38:45 I have. Sep 21 01:39:17 imagine preware with cities and times instead of the current rows Sep 21 01:39:29 KGF2009: have you used type to search on the preware main screen? Sep 21 01:39:49 * Tibfib wouldn't mind a simple map to tap on for cities. Sep 21 01:40:10 Tibfib: name one time when you don't know the name of the city? Sep 21 01:40:23 maybe have a command menu toggle button, list, map Sep 21 01:40:31 rwhitby: it's faster to just tap where you want Sep 21 01:40:52 Tibfib: that can be in 2.0 Sep 21 01:40:54 rather than scrolling through a long list or typing Sep 21 01:40:56 rwhitby: Yes. Sep 21 01:40:57 lol Sep 21 01:41:11 anyone use vonage here? Sep 21 01:41:14 rwhitby: you are very controlling of KGF2009's app :) Sep 21 01:41:32 KGF2009: on the main screen of this app, I should be able to type "2pm tues" and it will display that time in all the timezones Sep 21 01:41:47 * Tibfib rests his case Sep 21 01:41:59 Tibfib: I'm a user who knows exactly what he wants :) Sep 21 01:42:02 Eh, I don't mind. Sep 21 01:42:09 I need guidance; it's my first app. Sep 21 01:42:10 that's the user who should write it himself Sep 21 01:42:13 ;) Sep 21 01:42:17 LOL...gotta go make dinner...talk to you all later Sep 21 01:42:26 rwhitby: haha Sep 21 01:42:33 funkatron: yeah, but all these people use Preware and UberKernel - time for one of them to give back by writing the app *I* want :) Sep 21 01:42:41 yeah, those fuckers! Sep 21 01:42:53 Anyway, brb now while I figure out how to do all this. Sep 21 01:43:04 ... if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself ... Sep 21 01:44:09 anyone ever corrupted their photos app? I switched to USB mode and it corrupted some image files and now photos doesn't work anymore. Sep 21 01:44:32 I had the file picker system get corrupted Sep 21 01:44:42 couldn't use music apps or photos Sep 21 01:45:07 I think it was a single file causing it Sep 21 01:54:14 Anyone know where I can find the source for the Preware app 'API Demo'? Sep 21 01:55:15 The palm samples are not helping. Sep 21 01:55:27 KGF2009: which feed is it from? Sep 21 01:56:48 KGF2009: install the sdk Sep 21 01:56:50 they are there Sep 21 01:56:58 ? Sep 21 01:56:59 ohhhhh Sep 21 01:57:04 api demo is that different? Sep 21 01:57:08 the source is basically the same Sep 21 01:57:36 Feed: PreCentral Sep 21 02:16:20 * Amaranth waits forever for WIDK to download/build Sep 21 02:17:10 At least it isn't slowing my computer down, thanks to the new kernel :) Sep 21 02:27:02 So, rwhitby, would you rather a huge list of timezones or and even bigger list of cities? Sep 21 02:27:28 KGF2009: no, in the preferences you would choose which 5 or 6 cities to show on the main screen Sep 21 02:27:38 I know. Sep 21 02:27:48 But I mean for choosing the timezones. Sep 21 02:28:05 gotcha. cities, with a type to search Sep 21 02:28:37 just like in the Palm Date & Time app when you turn Network time zone off Sep 21 02:29:17 you can probably grab that exact code from the SDK perhaps Sep 21 02:30:47 in fact, you should use that exact code - there's no sense in reinventing the wheel, and webOS users already know how to use that screen Sep 21 02:31:12 (and you know that code behind that screen has been well tested by Palm) Sep 21 02:32:01 there might even be a way to push to the screen from the date&time app directly - webOS was supposed to support that kind of thing Sep 21 02:58:46 rwhitby: Where can I find that code? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 21 02:59:57 2010