**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 27 02:59:57 2010 Sep 27 03:04:23 how would I change the value of the following text field programmatically? http://pastebin.com/N9WpBgdb Sep 27 03:04:41 this.model.originalValue = ''; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); ?? Sep 27 03:06:14 yes Sep 27 03:06:41 there's some magic there where Mojo can tell what widget this.model is linked to Sep 27 03:06:55 personally I dislike magic shit Sep 27 03:06:57 but it works Sep 27 03:09:00 funkatron: ok thanks, so the snippet above is correct? Sep 27 03:09:11 I believe so Sep 27 03:09:19 I have not personally run the code, but, yeah Sep 27 03:10:02 yeah, trying it now Sep 27 03:13:25 * halfhalo breaks down and cries Sep 27 03:14:11 *sniff* Sep 27 03:14:30 * KGF2009 nudges halfhalo. Sep 27 03:14:32 :o Sep 27 03:14:41 halfhalo: callbacks? Sep 27 03:15:50 no.... I have an array with two objects, and each object could either represent a user or be empty.. and I was trying to use the objects length to determine it, but when I do that it comes back undefined Sep 27 03:16:34 objects don't have a length, I think? Sep 27 03:16:55 they should. would make my life easier. and I could have sworn they did.... Sep 27 03:17:20 if (object && object.property) Sep 27 03:17:20 they don't. Sep 27 03:17:28 not by default anyway Sep 27 03:17:46 someone can monkeypatch the prototype, but I generally think that's a bad idea Sep 27 03:18:15 I think if your object has numerical properties, you can get a length or count from it Sep 27 03:18:23 but I'm not 100% sure about that, either Sep 27 03:18:39 ok, if I check for obj.name it works Sep 27 03:18:48 * halfhalo grumbles at js Sep 27 03:18:53 you should check for object and object.name Sep 27 03:19:03 because if you get a null, you're screwed Sep 27 03:19:33 I never get a null for this function (It returns either an object || {}) Sep 27 03:19:44 that works Sep 27 03:20:56 sweet, registration for bot works Sep 27 03:21:14 why are you so mean to zz_SophieB? Sep 27 03:21:25 speak of the devil Sep 27 03:21:28 indeed Sep 27 03:22:05 She doesn't have flood insurance. Sep 27 03:22:12 /rimshot Sep 27 03:22:32 \o/ Sep 27 03:24:41 * halfhalo may/maynot have just made a route that will be used extensively in the blaming of things Sep 27 03:25:05 !blame halfhalo Sep 27 03:25:13 nope Sep 27 03:27:56 !blame oil Sep 27 03:28:03 can anyone think why this code --> this.model.originalValue = ''; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); does not clear value of this.model.originalValue = ''; Sep 27 03:28:03 this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); Sep 27 03:28:06 not blame... good plan Sep 27 03:28:12 close... but hold on, i broke the auth :p Sep 27 03:28:14 sorry http://pastebin.com/N9WpBgdb Sep 27 03:30:18 LoneStar99: do you get any log errors? Sep 27 03:31:08 it's sort of hard to tell where you are calling the clear/modelChanged....definitely should not be happening before the widget is setup Sep 27 03:31:39 haeffb: nope Sep 27 03:32:20 blah, its all messed up Sep 27 03:32:38 if the value changes, does the text also change? Sep 27 03:32:41 flipped alot of if statements around so now its being weird Sep 27 03:33:16 yes, it should also change the text Sep 27 03:33:16 LoneStar99: do you just want to set the value on-screen? you can do this.controller.get(widgetId).mojo.setValue('new text'); Sep 27 03:33:52 sugardave: just want to clear the text, that is all Sep 27 03:34:02 do not need value stuff to tell u the truth Sep 27 03:35:27 so this.controller.get(widgetId).mojo.setValue(''); Sep 27 03:35:58 sugardave: ok thanks, let me try that Sep 27 03:39:23 very odd, nothing seems to work Sep 27 03:39:42 sounds like your this is messed up then Sep 27 03:42:00 yeah Sep 27 03:42:43 LoneStar99: where are you running that code? Sep 27 03:44:16 OK, i am a f-cking idiot Sep 27 03:44:33 i am compiling an older version of the app code... Sep 27 03:44:35 lol Sep 27 03:46:00 I've done that many times, man Sep 27 03:46:48 ok works, now, was freaking out Sep 27 03:47:01 thank you all, Sep 27 03:52:50 Check out @webosinternals twitter for some juicy public info on new Palm phones and touchstone. Sep 27 03:53:04 just saw that Sep 27 03:53:10 very nice Sep 27 03:55:13 what does it all mean, though? Sep 27 03:55:47 haeffb: lol Sep 27 03:55:54 i was just gonna ask the same thing Sep 27 03:56:00 it means there's a phone. Sep 27 03:56:16 to me it looks like german Sep 27 03:56:46 like, a phone imminent? Or a phone sometime in the next few years? Sep 27 03:57:05 I'd say semi-imminent Sep 27 03:57:17 it's going through "final certification" Sep 27 03:57:22 is my guess Sep 27 03:57:47 waht is TUVRienland? Sep 27 03:57:54 a certification company Sep 27 03:59:16 like a 3rd party certification co? like for product testing, like UL? Sep 27 03:59:28 I bet google has answers to this Sep 27 03:59:29 yeah, I think so Sep 27 03:59:55 oh ok Sep 27 04:00:16 http://www.tuvdotcom.com/pi/web/index.xml?LanguageChanged=en-us&strUrlId=&strUserId= Sep 27 04:01:28 The Group?s mission and guiding principle is to achieve sustained development of safety and quality in order to meet the challenges arising from the interaction between man, technology and the environment. Sep 27 04:01:40 obviously! Sep 27 04:02:12 ok cool Sep 27 04:02:18 It's a certification body like the FCC. If you look on the box for your phone or touchstone, or on the certifications page of the user manual, you will see TUV listed Sep 27 04:02:23 woo! a safe, quality phone! Sep 27 04:02:59 cool, tested in Germany, not in a chinese sweatshop =) Sep 27 04:02:59 that let's me use it's technology to interact with the environment! Sep 27 04:03:06 compare the dates of the registrations on that site for the Pre, Pixi, Pre+, Pixi+ and the release dates and draw your own conclusions. Sep 27 04:03:35 rwhitby: nice Sep 27 04:03:41 too lazy Sep 27 04:03:48 I will wait for someone else to do it Sep 27 04:04:06 * haeffb figured rwhitby had already done so and would share Sep 27 04:04:48 not the conclusions - just the dates... :) Sep 27 04:05:03 * haeffb is perfectly capable of leaping to my own conclusions, thank you. Sep 27 04:05:04 haeffb: http://forums.precentral.net/future-palm-devices/263956-new-palm-phones-p102una-p102eww-spotted-tuv-website-2.html#post2680859 Sep 27 04:07:40 and then this guy: http://forums.precentral.net/future-palm-devices/263956-new-palm-phones-p102una-p102eww-spotted-tuv-website-2.html#post2680890 Sep 27 04:10:31 pretty exciting Sep 27 04:11:34 I'm going to save it for when I hear an official date Sep 27 04:11:39 too much stress in my life Sep 27 04:16:28 lol Sep 27 06:32:56 Morning there Sep 27 06:33:21 Good morning Sep 27 06:33:37 morning hotdp Sep 27 06:34:15 so... in 1.4.5 does every app run in a jail or just some apps? Sep 27 06:35:32 is there an irc command to load some history for a channel? Sep 27 06:35:45 There's log of this chan afaik Sep 27 06:35:53 Yes, the topic has it Sep 27 06:35:59 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/ Sep 27 06:36:28 But by default no, there's no such command. Unless the ircserver has such but I wouldn't want that ;) Sep 27 06:37:15 kk just wondering. fairly unfamiliar with irc... Sep 27 06:38:18 Some chans have bots that keep log and then publish them somewhere. Some consider this bad for privacy so they don't have such bots. Sep 27 06:40:51 alrigt thanks. Sep 27 06:41:35 what's with this sophieB user? can I block or filter out their login/disconnect? Sep 27 06:42:17 With ignore you can Sep 27 06:42:27 Depending on your irc client of course. Sep 27 06:42:49 Some clients has the ability to not to display actions such as join/part. Sep 27 06:43:09 But in irssi you could do /ignore nickname Sep 27 06:43:11 humm. do you know if wirc does that? Sep 27 06:43:28 irssi? Sep 27 06:43:53 irssi is a commandline irc client Sep 27 06:44:35 can seem to do /ignore zz_SophieB Sep 27 06:45:05 does it need to happen at the main server window and not in this channel? Sep 27 06:46:49 humm.. is there a /help type command? Sep 27 07:34:16 oh hay.. anyone know how to run a fsck on a Pre? safely that is... Sep 27 07:38:15 reboot it - it does it automatically on each boot, and reformats if there are uncorrectable errors. Sep 27 08:03:54 How can I specify and recall a unique ID for each item in a list? Sep 27 08:05:00 use index? Sep 27 08:06:02 ? Sep 27 08:06:34 Sorry, first app, I'm brand new to this. Sep 27 08:06:37 KGF2009: the list items have indexes Sep 27 08:06:44 Like first item on the list is 0 Sep 27 08:06:54 It begans from zero.. but anyhow Sep 27 08:07:22 Okay, so I've got a tap handling function handleTap(event). Where would I find the index? Sep 27 08:07:28 If you have three items on the list it'd be 0, 1, 2 Sep 27 08:08:25 On the event "tap" you know what item it is Sep 27 08:09:12 Yeah, event.item, right? So is it just event.item.index? Sep 27 08:09:30 could be :) Sep 27 08:09:39 event.item is correct, but I doubt there's .index for it as you've not defined it Sep 27 08:10:00 THne where is the index you've been talking about? Sep 27 08:10:04 Then* Sep 27 08:10:08 I don't remember the propertyes.. What should you use the index for? Sep 27 08:11:01 Basically I'm making a World Clock application to convert a time into six different timezones. When the user taps one of the timezones, it brings up a menu to change the timezone associated with it. Sep 27 08:11:10 KGF2009: your List has the items are accessible via an array. You could do myList.getNodeByIndex(0) for example. Sep 27 08:11:10 So I need to know which list item to change. Sep 27 08:12:41 You get the length of the myList via myList.getLength(). The you could do while (length > -1) node = myList.getNodeByIndex(length); item = myList.getItemByNode(node); Sep 27 08:13:36 That would loop through the whole list. Starting from the last item on the list. Sep 27 08:13:53 I don't think it is the must effecient way Sep 27 08:14:39 What if I just went into the items in the list and added an index variable? Sep 27 08:15:22 http://webos.pastebin.com/Xf5iTetq Sep 27 08:15:28 That's the function creating the list. Sep 27 08:15:32 That would work, but you would have to prevent moving items on the list then Sep 27 08:15:56 hotdp: that's the only way I know to access items with index Sep 27 08:16:12 So for instance, line 11 would become {data: "-5", index: 0}, Sep 27 08:16:14 Right? Sep 27 08:16:46 KGF2009: that's right. But remember, the index you set in the model might not be the same that the system has. Sep 27 08:16:56 Unless you are absolutely sure user nor your program changes the list. Sep 27 08:17:00 KGF can you explain the app "flow" you want? Sep 27 08:17:23 All right. Sep 27 08:17:48 KGF2009: so if nothing touches the tzlist after program has strated then index: 0 should be ok. Sep 27 08:18:12 Basically, the app will open with the current time displayed up top and that time reflected in the six timezones in the list. Sep 27 08:18:22 But I would look for some more proper way of doing it because things might not work correctly if you mess around with the list. Sep 27 08:18:45 When the user taps a list item, it will take them to another scene (stolen from Date and Time) to pick a new timezone for that list item. Sep 27 08:18:57 Where do you need the index for? Sep 27 08:19:22 So I know which list item is getting the new timezone. Sep 27 08:19:23 To access parameter defined in model? Sep 27 08:19:30 Ok, good enough. Sep 27 08:20:05 I would use something else than "index" as the name of the parameter. Like "timezone: 1" for example or something. Sep 27 08:20:14 So that the naming doesn't get confusing. Sep 27 08:20:32 Then in the tap event simply do event.item.timezone and voila. Sep 27 08:22:45 KGF2009: you know how to give the new scene parameters? Sep 27 08:23:22 Yes, I've already got the variable passing between the scenes. Sep 27 08:23:31 Splendid. Sep 27 08:23:53 All right, so my index issue is solved. Sep 27 08:24:01 \o/ Sep 27 08:24:10 So now, how can I edit the list contents? Sep 27 08:24:24 Ok. You'd want to modify the tapped one? Sep 27 08:24:36 Yep. Sep 27 08:25:06 I was away Sep 27 08:25:09 Ok. Editing is done just like you'd do normally: item.data = "30"; and then you call the update method Sep 27 08:25:11 is the problem solved`? Sep 27 08:25:16 hotdp: yes Sep 27 08:26:02 KGF2009: take a look at List widgets noticeUpdatedItems and invalidate Sep 27 08:26:11 invalidateItems Sep 27 08:27:09 There are few ways to do this. But the easiest would be, not the two above I mentioned, but.. hold on. Sep 27 08:27:47 Mojo.Controller.SceneController.modelChanged() Sep 27 08:28:15 So you have the model list defined in the MainAssistant.prototype.setup.. Sep 27 08:28:23 Items, that is. Sep 27 08:28:44 hotdp: you can jump in anytime you wish ;) Sep 27 08:31:35 KGF2009: but with those three given methods you can update the List. In your case modelChanged should be the easiest. You could use invalidateItems(0) to refresh the whole list. Sep 27 08:32:12 So how do I grab the item from activate()? Sep 27 08:32:23 Activate? Sep 27 08:32:38 Oh, you mean after you've changed something in the second scene? Sep 27 08:32:42 As in, the function from where I'm getting the new timezone info, yes. Sep 27 08:33:36 Well you could have a callback in the 2nd scene or something Sep 27 08:35:15 In the 1st scene you could simple give the whole models items list when tapped, modify that on 2nd scene and then give it back via callback in the 2nd scene. Sep 27 08:35:49 But this is what you have to think about. There's different ways of doing it and depending on your app some are better than others. Sep 27 08:36:03 s/is/are Sep 27 09:57:51 Any idea why storing something in db without no errors results select * from the table in no result? Meaning that there's no rows. Sep 27 09:59:34 No errors when I query it Sep 27 10:06:32 aha..hmm. interesting. Sep 27 12:23:32 morning all Sep 27 12:31:01 morninh Sep 27 12:31:06 ing, even Sep 27 12:33:46 any news around here, been away for a bit Sep 27 14:02:16 Anyone help me with an issue I'm having with modelChanged()? Sep 27 14:25:33 KGF2009: ask Sep 27 14:29:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/u7093Njj Sep 27 14:30:29 And the question? :) Sep 27 14:31:10 In the activate() function, I change the timezone, update the model, and call modelChanged, but the list items stay the same. Did I screw up along the way? Sep 27 14:34:09 Do you know how to see the log? Sep 27 14:34:20 If you're running emulator you can ssh to it and see the log Sep 27 14:34:24 Yep. Sep 27 14:34:30 And I've been doing so. Sep 27 14:34:32 No errors. Sep 27 14:34:34 Great Sep 27 14:35:44 afternoon Sep 27 14:35:50 o/ Sep 27 14:35:55 yo Sep 27 14:36:06 KGF2009: have you tried it with modelChanged(..., this) ? Sep 27 14:36:10 wow, jsconf.eu was awesome :) Sep 27 14:36:31 palm handed out palm pre plus devices Sep 27 14:36:38 :O :S :( Sep 27 14:36:41 ..And what're those parameters meant to be? Sep 27 14:37:34 KGF2009: modelChanged(this.tzmodel, this) but I'm not sure if the 2nd one is required. API doc doesn't mention anything about that. But just to make sure, have you tried? Sep 27 14:38:22 swisstomcat: unlocked etc? Sep 27 14:38:29 developer devices Sep 27 14:38:36 still oh the envy.. Sep 27 14:38:42 Same result. Sep 27 14:38:51 i didn't get one :) Sep 27 14:38:52 KGF2009: ok you're 100 % sure the values have changed? Sep 27 14:38:59 swisstomcat: how come? Sep 27 14:39:01 KGF2009: fyi, for the liere is an event.index property Sep 27 14:39:15 ben and dion know who i am Sep 27 14:39:28 not fast enough? Sep 27 14:39:30 swisstomcat: so they gave them to the new faces only? Sep 27 14:39:41 make sense .. i have several devices already Sep 27 14:39:46 ;) Sep 27 14:39:50 One for each pocket Sep 27 14:39:56 Or usb port Sep 27 14:40:08 i gave 2 40min webos development introduction talk the next day Sep 27 14:40:20 to show the newcomers what they can do Sep 27 14:41:24 KGF2009: your setupWidget is wrong Sep 27 14:42:08 teemu, yep, therefore the Log functions telling me what it is. Sep 27 14:42:09 swisstomcat: was it great success? Sep 27 14:42:16 haeffb_pre, elaborate? :o Sep 27 14:42:17 you're passing a function as the model Sep 27 14:42:20 don't ask me, ask them :) Sep 27 14:42:32 should just be an object Sep 27 14:43:23 * KGF2009 ALMOST didn't see how that was wrong and now facepalms. Sep 27 14:43:23 this.tzmodel Sep 27 14:47:48 swisstomcat! Sep 27 14:47:55 how was berlin? Sep 27 14:48:28 dohtem! Sep 27 14:48:31 EPIC! Sep 27 14:48:34 :) Sep 27 14:48:41 I was just reading your tweets Sep 27 14:48:52 Palm sponsored you? Sep 27 14:49:01 yeah, my ticket Sep 27 14:49:16 i met so many people Sep 27 14:49:22 saw great talks Sep 27 14:49:35 learned alot Sep 27 14:49:49 i met metaview Sep 27 14:49:56 swisstomcat the phonegap thing? Sep 27 14:50:20 nice man Sep 27 14:50:21 no, palm sponsored my jsconf.eu ticket Sep 27 14:50:44 since they were sponsors of jsconf Sep 27 14:50:49 ben and dion were there Sep 27 14:51:29 hey peeps Sep 27 14:51:36 hey Sep 27 14:51:45 spaz-master Sep 27 14:51:56 so the new spaz beta pops up a banner so it has time to query servers during background checks Sep 27 14:52:21 my understanding is that this is the least intrusive way to keep the 5-sec limit at bay Sep 27 14:52:55 but, some people may not like how it turns on the screen just to tell you it's checking for updates Sep 27 14:52:58 any thoughts on this? Sep 27 14:53:20 also, yeah, JSCONF looked pretty awesome Sep 27 14:53:26 oh yeah Sep 27 14:53:35 saw brendan eich and douglas crockford Sep 27 14:54:17 the javascript man himself! Sep 27 14:54:32 anyway, I was thinking about making an option so the alarm won't wake from sleep; then it would not be so intrusive, but of course wouldn't check when the device is sleeping Sep 27 14:54:45 (and I'm a little confused about when the sleep state kicks in, but anyway) Sep 27 14:54:49 the Eichman Sep 27 14:55:26 wow sounds like it went good swisstomcat Sep 27 14:55:30 yeah, the /be Sep 27 14:56:05 i met so many javascript folks, it was awesome Sep 27 14:57:07 haeffb_pre, so I changed it to call updateTZ first and then use this.tzmodel for the model, and it displays, but still won't update. Sep 27 15:00:02 nice Sep 27 15:00:20 who died? Sep 27 15:03:46 so, I just have to add a recall route and mah bots palm feed system will be up and running Sep 27 15:05:16 halfhalo: i met ryan dahl at jsconf Sep 27 15:06:07 nice! Sep 27 15:08:42 KGF2009: you can't redefine the entire model Sep 27 15:10:06 Oh? Sep 27 15:10:13 phonegap's new hosted build system was accounced at jsconf: http://build.phonegap.com/ Sep 27 15:10:19 (also for webOS) Sep 27 15:10:44 that shit is dope Sep 27 15:10:57 met 3 people from nitobi Sep 27 15:11:11 now if it was easy to just apply a CSS file to make it look liek a webos app Sep 27 15:11:16 you're gold, ponyboy Sep 27 15:11:21 unity dev framework announced, also with webOS support: http://unify.github.com/unify/ Sep 27 15:11:59 that looks cool Sep 27 15:12:42 curious that they are doing AIR for desktop but not Titanium if I'm reading correctly Sep 27 15:13:09 i have to look at it Sep 27 15:13:14 especially the webOS suppor Sep 27 15:13:15 t Sep 27 15:13:40 o Sep 27 15:13:41 is the ide web-based as well Sep 27 15:13:53 i don't think there's an IDE Sep 27 15:13:57 or we just upload from the desktop? Sep 27 15:14:44 I had looked at qooxdoo before. it seems like a pretty decent UI framework Sep 27 15:15:05 i think it's based on qooxdoo Sep 27 15:15:20 KGF2009: you can only update properties within the model Sep 27 15:15:49 So.. this.tzmodel.items = blah; ? Sep 27 15:16:16 indeed it is Sep 27 15:21:36 yes that will work Sep 27 15:22:19 funkatron: I think you have abiut 60 secs to launch a stage/scene Sep 27 15:22:51 haeffb_pre: my experience was that if I did not open some kind of UI, it would die in 5sec Sep 27 15:23:10 there are angry threads about this in the dev forums; I think it was introduced in 1.4 Sep 27 15:23:37 it wa increased to 60 later Sep 27 15:30:17 it was? Sep 27 15:30:21 because it sure wasn't in 1.4.5 Sep 27 15:30:29 unless there's some magic parameter I'm missing. Sep 27 15:32:25 FWIW, the docs still say 5sec https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1584&Itemid=20 Sep 27 15:35:03 (I could certainly be doing it wrong) Sep 27 15:37:58 good morning Sep 27 15:40:03 mornin warpdesign__ Sep 27 15:45:14 hi warpdesign Sep 27 15:46:34 this is interesting... two plugins refuse to load and I don't really know why.... but they happen to be the plugins using the datastores.... Sep 27 16:08:35 morning all Sep 27 16:08:48 mornin' Sep 27 16:09:51 amazing, woke up and felt the weather like san diego weather, brownsville TX and San Diego CA weather off by 1 degree Sep 27 16:10:35 hello chuqui Sep 27 16:11:02 happy monday Sep 27 16:11:32 same! Sep 27 16:11:40 yo Sep 27 16:11:44 uggg... mondays Sep 27 16:12:06 mornnig LoneStar99 and chuqui Sep 27 16:12:13 hi chuqui Sep 27 16:12:15 morning everyone Sep 27 16:15:21 hi Sep 27 16:15:53 hallo metaview Sep 27 16:16:05 i met metaview at the jsconf party in berlin :) Sep 27 16:20:39 yeah :) Sep 27 16:20:57 it was quite loud Sep 27 16:21:15 nice to meet you there, was you able to speak with dion and benß Sep 27 16:21:17 ? Sep 27 16:21:35 no :( Sep 27 16:21:46 i always seemed to miss them Sep 27 16:22:00 and it was too loud at the parties Sep 27 16:32:05 webosquickinstall could need an "update patch" button: you press it, select the patch file and wosqi determines the patch, removes it and installs the new Sep 27 16:44:28 Evning Sep 27 16:45:21 hi hotdp Sep 27 16:53:06 * halfhalo clears his through... Sep 27 16:53:11 !palm add http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-catalog/Packages Sep 27 16:53:11 Feed added! Sep 27 16:53:35 well, apparently I can't spell throaght Sep 27 16:53:46 !palm add http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-beta/Packages Sep 27 16:53:47 Feed added! Sep 27 16:53:58 !palm add http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-web/Packages Sep 27 16:54:18 oh.... hey, it crashed! Sep 27 17:07:28 * halfhalo attempts this again... Sep 27 17:07:38 !palm add http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-web/Packages Sep 27 17:07:38 Feed added! Sep 27 17:16:30 !palm id com.silentbluesystems.steamfriendspro Sep 27 17:16:30 com.silentbluesystems.steamfriendspro: Steam Friends Lets you keep tabs on your Steam Friends. It quickly provides you with their status, whether they are in game, online, or offline, a quick overview of their profile, a list of their games along with any achievements they may (or, depending on their skill, may not) have, and also lets you peek at their friendslist as well! If you are having any trouble, please email me so I can help you, and Sep 27 17:16:47 shweeeet Sep 27 17:44:14 !palm id de.metaviewsoft.mandelbrot Sep 27 17:44:14 Could not find package de.metaviewsoft.mandelbrot Sep 27 17:44:21 stupid Sep 27 17:44:28 !asl Sep 27 17:44:43 How many places do you people think there will be in NYC? Sep 27 17:53:40 17 Sep 27 17:59:23 chuqui: sent you an email last week...about Agenda... Sep 27 17:59:42 oh. hi, chuqui! Sep 27 18:00:06 haeffb_pre: howdee Sep 27 18:00:40 is the catalog down/crapped? Sep 27 18:00:44 wassupwitdat? Sep 27 18:00:50 dunno Sep 27 18:00:57 wonder if irc bot crashed yet... Sep 27 18:01:06 !palm id this.is.fake Sep 27 18:01:06 !palm id com.silentbluesystems.steamfriendspro Sep 27 18:01:06 com.silentbluesystems.steamfriendspro: Steam Friends Lets you keep tabs on your Steam Friends. It quickly provides you with their status, whether they are in game, online, or offline, a quick overview of their profile, a list of their games along with any achievements they may (or, depending on their skill, may not) have, and also lets you peek at their friendslist as well! If you are having any trouble, please email me so I can help you, and Sep 27 18:01:06 Could not find package this.is.fake Sep 27 18:01:13 Nope. Sep 27 18:01:23 I am extremely suprised... Sep 27 18:01:33 How so? Sep 27 18:02:02 the disk based key store I was using broke so I am just using the in memory key store for all db's Sep 27 18:02:18 including the package db, feed db, and user db Sep 27 18:02:23 Ah. Sep 27 18:03:27 but lets see if this works... Sep 27 18:03:31 !palm add http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-catalog/Packages Sep 27 18:03:31 Feed added! Sep 27 18:04:04 * halfhalo waits as the 14MB feed is downloaded since the callback is broken and responds right away... Sep 27 18:05:23 so, are you guys able to do app updates right now? Sep 27 18:05:41 app updates requires an app to actually update Sep 27 18:05:45 i can get to the catalog, but if I try and do an update (it says there's new app versions) it says currently unavailable Sep 27 18:06:01 halfhalo: ... Sep 27 18:06:04 yeah Sep 27 18:06:06 :P Sep 27 18:06:13 there are updates available Sep 27 18:06:30 but as soon as i go to do it, it launches the app catalog app and says it's unavailable Sep 27 18:06:48 nope Sep 27 18:07:04 Mine does that all the time. Just go back and try again. Eventually it'll work. Sep 27 18:07:24 someone ask the system about a package in the catalog... Sep 27 18:07:25 i've been doing it all morning Sep 27 18:07:33 seems to be just me though Sep 27 18:07:35 weird Sep 27 18:08:09 !palm id com.hobbyistsoftware.vlcremote Sep 27 18:08:10 com.hobbyistsoftware.vlcremote: Control VLC on your PC or Mac directly from your Pre or Pixi Plus (this app requires Wifi connection). Play, Pause, set Volume and Position. Toggle fullscreen mode and skip tracks. Add items to you playlist, or remove them. Simple setup - Run the VLC Helper on your computer. It will configure VLC to allow access. Compatible with Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7, Mac OS 10.5+. This update improves connection reliabi Sep 27 18:08:16 There ya go. Sep 27 18:08:22 hehehe... Sep 27 18:08:34 Still issues, but its there Sep 27 18:08:43 * KGF2009 wonders why the hell he remembers that exact ID. Sep 27 18:11:08 ok, here's a stupid question Sep 27 18:11:21 we have stupid answers! Sep 27 18:11:28 \o/ Sep 27 18:11:39 :)? Sep 27 18:11:41 if I'm writing an app that uses an api key from a webservice for authentication, if I get the key # from the user, how does that get submitted? Sep 27 18:12:37 what do you mean? Sep 27 18:12:48 the app should just ask for the key on first launch, right? Sep 27 18:13:00 yes, or upon adding a new account Sep 27 18:13:30 ok? whats the issue with that Sep 27 18:13:49 I guess... I don't do web development ever, so that's part of the issue. Sep 27 18:14:06 oh, you know what? I'm confusing myself Sep 27 18:14:14 I was thinking there was some form that was going to be needed Sep 27 18:14:22 or rather, that would need to be submitted Sep 27 18:14:32 but I just need the API key locally Sep 27 18:14:41 I think Sep 27 18:15:05 just conluded 6 update releases on 3 different apps in 24 hours.. no more updates for a few weeks! Sep 27 18:17:34 b* chatr 1.0.3 to 1.0.5 | bob chatter 1.0.5 & 1.0.6 | o'chatter 1.0.0 & 1.0.1 Sep 27 18:18:21 ping Sep 27 18:18:23 oops Sep 27 18:21:46 swisstomcat: who u pinging? Sep 27 18:21:56 wrong window, sorry Sep 27 18:22:51 lol Sep 27 18:24:37 http://webos.pastebin.com/J4Ra63i9 Sep 27 18:25:13 Can anyone help me? In the activate() function, I change the model and call modelChanged(), but nothing happens. Did I break it? Sep 27 18:27:58 let me have a look Sep 27 18:29:40 well folks Sep 27 18:29:45 I've started applying for internships Sep 27 18:29:55 career fair today, gonna go in jeans Sep 27 18:30:13 didn't see palm anywhere, but apple is here :D Sep 27 18:30:30 I thought it would be kind of funny for me to pretend to be from palm Sep 27 18:30:33 but I would never do it Sep 27 18:30:35 doitdoitdoit Sep 27 18:30:51 I'd get the biggest booth, with loud speakers Sep 27 18:30:58 flashing lights Sep 27 18:31:05 pyrotechnics that were poorly setup Sep 27 18:31:19 and would then just burn down the entire booth before I was asked to leave Sep 27 18:31:54 alexfner: which school are you at? Sep 27 18:31:57 can I ask? Sep 27 18:32:00 yeah Sep 27 18:32:02 U of M Sep 27 18:32:10 which M? Sep 27 18:32:12 Michigan Sep 27 18:32:15 ah Sep 27 18:32:20 Go Blue! :D Sep 27 18:32:29 * summatusmentis shakes his head Sep 27 18:32:36 MN is the only M :) Sep 27 18:33:14 minnesota? Sep 27 18:33:16 swisstomcat, whatcha think? Sep 27 18:33:23 doesn't it get really cold there? Sep 27 18:33:35 when I think of Minnesota, I think cold Sep 27 18:33:36 and flat Sep 27 18:33:43 alexfner: indeed minnesota, I'd be surprised if it gets colder here than in MI Sep 27 18:33:46 and that's the extent to which I think about Minnesota :D Sep 27 18:33:49 maybe slightly more Sep 27 18:33:57 we are pretty flat Sep 27 18:34:14 U of MN were the gopher protocol people Sep 27 18:34:30 I wish I could do a video submission for my resume Sep 27 18:34:32 that would be awesome Sep 27 18:34:55 alright gonna go mingle with recruiters Sep 27 18:34:57 peace out! Sep 27 18:35:39 kgf2009: what does the log say? Sep 27 18:35:45 any errors? Sep 27 18:36:00 Nope. Nothing more than the errors I've told it to log for me. Sep 27 18:37:15 Hello, how do we define XMLHttprequest object in palm webOS? Sep 27 18:38:02 what for? Sep 27 18:38:37 KGF2009: i usually call it like this: this.controller.modelChanged(this.myListModel , this);   Sep 27 18:39:08 Oh, I've since added that after I pasted it. Sep 27 18:39:11 Still didn't work. Sep 27 18:39:31 actually I want to send data on the cloud via ajax request using post method and rpc Sep 27 18:39:43 but haven't been able to do that Sep 27 18:40:15 rohit2: try to read this tutorial: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-sdk-development-part-3/ Sep 27 18:41:13 KGF2009: the only thing that could be that you're bitten by the fact that javascript is asyncrounous Sep 27 18:42:07 re Sep 27 18:43:06 it's rainging here since days... Sep 27 18:43:32 yeah, i noticed today on the way to the u-bahn :) Sep 27 18:44:38 yes, terrible Sep 27 18:44:48 the weather isn't everyyear that bad Sep 27 18:58:09 I cant believe how badly they have insulted star wars by naming an android device after one of the key characters in the plot... Sep 27 19:00:03 looks funky Sep 27 19:01:26 whats that Sep 27 19:02:25 The device doesnt even have a holographic display... what garbage is this Sep 27 19:20:15 damn windows 7, sucks, closed the lid to my laptop and restarted windows without a prompt and killing all programs i had open Sep 27 19:20:26 piece of sh-t Sep 27 19:21:01 um Sep 27 19:22:10 is there a default icon for delete? Sep 27 19:22:33 swisstomcat: I went through the link Sep 27 19:22:35 apparently did not even go to sleep mode, just restarted.. Sep 27 19:22:39 but my doubts still remain Sep 27 19:22:40 LoneStar99 - more like stupid you for having the system set to shutdown when you close the lid Sep 27 19:22:43 :) Sep 27 19:23:03 http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/rpc.html Sep 27 19:23:14 see the bottom of this page sir Sep 27 19:23:29 here it defines client for post method Sep 27 19:23:32 CTLAdvance: always close the lid, and default is sleepmode, this time, it did noting but restart Sep 27 19:23:41 I want to do same with Ajax.request Sep 27 19:23:46 and m not getting how to Sep 27 19:23:48 lol.. oy Sep 27 19:23:54 maybe it doesnt like you today Sep 27 19:23:58 where are the icons in the mojo framework? Sep 27 19:24:46 CTLAdvance: maybe... Sep 27 19:25:25 if i wasn't moving back to SD in a week, would order a macbook pro 13 =) Sep 27 19:25:44 ugh Sep 27 19:25:50 that is what i did last time, windows sucked "vista" Sep 27 19:25:51 I have mine defaulted to do nothing Sep 27 19:26:37 CTLAdvance: you mean, when u close the lid, it does not do anything, just stays on? Sep 27 19:26:41 metaview: /opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/347/images Sep 27 19:26:51 rohit2: oh .. post ... hmmm Sep 27 19:27:18 yes Sep 27 19:28:50 this was one of the talks at #jsconf: highly recommended: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tr4nslator/sets/72157624919090221/with/5028818585/ Sep 27 19:29:25 oh ok, mine was set to battery "sleep" plugged-in "sleep" , maybe my comptuer is failing... Sep 27 19:30:00 swisstomcat: thx Sep 27 19:31:29 meta: also see global-menus.css Sep 27 19:31:32 yeah something funny is up Sep 27 19:31:40 did it just install updates? Sep 27 19:32:47 not sure, was thinking that, but do not think so Sep 27 19:32:54 oh well Sep 27 19:34:39 atleast got all my app updates done, before the "restart" Sep 27 19:35:05 KGF2009: seriously. you cannot redefine the model after setupWidget Sep 27 19:35:33 * KGF2009 facepalms. Sep 27 19:35:36 well, you can, but not the way you're doing Sep 27 19:35:42 I KNEW there was something I forgot to fix! Sep 27 19:37:26 http://webos.pastebin.com/bveLjjT8 Sep 27 19:37:27 Better? Sep 27 19:37:35 NO Sep 27 19:41:14 CTLAdvance: a blue screen just appeared with the following message "All Your Bases Are Belong to Us" Sep 27 19:42:13 perhaps it is a "Ghost in the Machine" Sep 27 19:44:54 global-menus.css? shout print it out Sep 27 19:45:22 you need to define this.tzmodel ={} befor calling updateTZs in setup() Sep 27 19:45:54 MetaView: some of the icons are defined as css classes Sep 27 19:46:22 icon: 'new' , etc Sep 27 19:47:12 haeffb_pre, thanks, got it working. Everything from here should be pretty easy. Sep 27 19:49:04 that's what she said Sep 27 19:49:44 swisstomcat: sorry my connection interupted, any hints for post? Sep 27 19:50:31 Is there a toolkit that i could use to do graphs? (line graphs, bar graphs) Sep 27 19:52:31 haeffb_pre: yes I was looking for delete, found it Sep 27 19:52:43 mfisch: google, IIRC Sep 27 19:52:58 mfisch: infoviz toolkit Sep 27 19:52:59 mfisch: there are many javascript libs Sep 27 19:53:20 hmm, I didnt even consider that (re: javascript libs) Sep 27 19:53:37 http://thejit.org/ ... just saw a talk about it at #jsconf Sep 27 19:55:21 I got problems with my submenu. It won't go away when I tap on anything else. :( Sep 27 19:55:58 exception? Sep 27 19:59:44 ? Sep 27 19:59:55 check your logfiles, dohtem Sep 27 20:00:59 Good night people Sep 27 20:03:02 * dohtem looks Sep 27 20:03:35 * solix hides Sep 27 20:03:36 ;) Sep 27 20:04:11 Anyone here have a pixi? Sep 27 20:04:56 that girly phone! Sep 27 20:04:56 me Sep 27 20:04:59 :) Sep 27 20:05:09 a CDMA Pixi... Sep 27 20:05:22 of no use except doing tests Sep 27 20:05:31 MetaView: Can I send you my app to try out? Sep 27 20:05:34 just send it to me Sep 27 20:06:25 i have a gsm pixi Sep 27 20:06:41 me but right now i use my pre Sep 27 20:07:08 girly phone.. bwhaha.. :) Sep 27 20:07:18 same as metaview only for testing Sep 27 20:07:40 that's what they all say .. "just testing" Sep 27 20:07:43 oh i know.. just jkin round :) Sep 27 20:07:47 Lol Sep 27 20:07:54 i'm french, and in france we don't have the name issue :) Sep 27 20:08:00 It's workin' like a champ. Just need to fix the problem of when the app is suspended the screen goes black until you can hit something that refreshes the screen Sep 27 20:08:24 swisstomcat: I have to explicitly handle tap events outside the submenu? Sep 27 20:09:00 thomas92: :) cool Sep 27 20:11:18 dohtem: i'm not sure Sep 27 20:11:40 I'm going through the o' reilly book. lemme see Sep 27 20:18:47 If I divide a number in javascript, will I get a decimal or a rounded number? Sep 27 20:19:34 decimal. All numbers are decimals in JavaScript. Sep 27 20:19:51 Does javascript have a floor() function? Sep 27 20:19:54 Although, perhaps it's more fair to say you'll get an approximation of the number, depending on what it is. Sep 27 20:20:13 Yes, it does. Sep 27 20:20:14 All right, example. Sep 27 20:20:21 I have a number 2256. Sep 27 20:20:31 I want to divide by 100 and get 22. Sep 27 20:21:13 So what would the floor() call look like? Sep 27 20:22:11 http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_floor.asp Sep 27 20:23:13 goodnight Sep 27 20:26:50 laters swisstomcat Sep 27 20:26:57 DON'T link to w3schools Sep 27 20:27:39 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript Sep 27 20:28:38 Hi guys Sep 27 20:28:41 java -jar devicetool.jar Sep 27 20:28:41 Error: Connection refused Sep 27 20:28:52 (and yes, I see the USB logo on the device) Sep 27 20:29:35 just got a device from @dalmaer while I was at jsconf.eu - entering the world of the Pre (I'm an iPhone dev), I'll need some of your help guys :-) Sep 27 20:30:01 StuFFmc, if you see the USB logo, you're doing it wrong. Sep 27 20:30:06 metadoctor it Sep 27 20:30:25 met with an hp engineer who writes software for laserprinters Sep 27 20:30:30 StuFFmc, have you put it in developer mode yet? Sep 27 20:30:33 that's right, printers that use lasers Sep 27 20:30:43 :) Sep 27 20:30:47 mine uses midgets Sep 27 20:31:06 it was an interesting talk Sep 27 20:31:28 you didnt record it??!! ;) Sep 27 20:31:32 among other things, he voiced his opinion that, he sees palm's name being replaced with hp's in future products Sep 27 20:31:40 1. Download the activation-bypass tool, which is http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/ActivationBypass/2010-04-16/devicetool.jar, and save it in the location of your choice. Sep 27 20:31:40 2. Boot your device into recovery mode, as described above. Sep 27 20:31:40 3. Run the activation-bypass tool from the command line by issuing the following command: java -jar devicetool.jar Sep 27 20:31:46 and 2. says Sep 27 20:31:52 1. Plug the USB cable into your computer. Do not connect the other end to your device yet. Sep 27 20:31:53 2. Remove the battery from the device. Sep 27 20:31:53 3. Hold down the device's volume up button. Sep 27 20:31:53 4. Insert the USB cable into the device. Sep 27 20:31:53 5. Re-insert the battery. Sep 27 20:31:53 6. Release the volume up button. Sep 27 20:31:57 exactly what I did... Sep 27 20:31:59 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051&Itemid=21 Sep 27 20:32:33 might I recommend not pasting 13 steps in irc, and instead pasting links? Sep 27 20:32:44 StuFFmc: what seems to be the problem? Sep 27 20:33:44 ➥ java -jar devicetool.jar Sep 27 20:33:44 Error: Connection refused Sep 27 20:33:47 StuFFmc: Welcome! We'll be glad to help. Sep 27 20:33:53 I don't know, what is the problem :D Sep 27 20:33:56 (If we can with tihs issue) Sep 27 20:34:00 Connection refuse :) Sep 27 20:34:01 *this Sep 27 20:34:06 * halfhalo still votes for metadoctor Sep 27 20:34:22 Metadoctor is a good way to go. Sep 27 20:34:27 StuFFmc: what are you trying to do? Sep 27 20:34:29 However... That probably should have worked. Sep 27 20:34:34 Flash the device? Sep 27 20:34:37 the URL I mentionned (which I also got from @dalmaer printed on paper with the device) doesn't mention using metadoctor... Sep 27 20:35:01 oops Sep 27 20:35:02 yeah, the palm way results in an unactivated device but with no palm profile Sep 27 20:35:03 wait guys Sep 27 20:35:06 my fault :D Sep 27 20:35:14 the meta doctor way results in a palm profile Sep 27 20:35:18 wait guys Sep 27 20:35:20 his fault :D Sep 27 20:35:27 :) Sep 27 20:35:39 how about installing the SDK :D Sep 27 20:35:47 how about it? Sep 27 20:36:00 To use the tool, you need to have installed Java AND the latest webOS SDK Sep 27 20:36:02 :) Sep 27 20:36:09 oh! Sep 27 20:36:16 well try that! >:D Sep 27 20:36:20 Connection Refused coz I ain't got novacom driver :p Sep 27 20:36:35 ok Sep 27 20:36:40 seems better now :D Sep 27 20:36:51 anybody up to spanking me for this? :) Sep 27 20:37:05 * halfhalo backs away slowly Sep 27 20:37:27 * dohtem hands halfhalo a riding crop Sep 27 20:37:38 Rebooting device... Sep 27 20:37:38 Device is ready. Sep 27 20:37:39 - that sounds good :) Sep 27 20:37:46 * halfhalo runs away Sep 27 20:37:58 so at the career fair, which I attended in normal clothes cause I gotta fight the establishment, right? Sep 27 20:38:04 * halfhalo aslo still votes for metadoctor so you have app cat access Sep 27 20:38:08 I start preaching about webOS Sep 27 20:38:29 lol @ "fight the establishment" Sep 27 20:38:34 stand in the middle of the north campus diag, hold the palm pre to the air and proclaim "All who hath judged him shall be damned" Sep 27 20:38:47 and after about 3 minutes I get carried off by campus security Sep 27 20:38:54 because none of what I just said about preaching was true Sep 27 20:39:05 we have preachers here Sep 27 20:39:08 okay?!? Sep 27 20:39:14 I see you guys looking at me weird Sep 27 20:39:23 no more than usual Sep 27 20:40:11 -_- Sep 27 20:40:47 so I went to the jobs fair today, right? Sep 27 20:40:58 and I was looking all over for Steve Jobs, but there was NO Steve JOBS?!? Sep 27 20:41:14 have I worn out all the jokes yet? Sep 27 20:42:14 haha Sep 27 20:45:59 class time Sep 27 20:51:02 Can someone give soem bananas to the hotapp-leader-board guyß Sep 27 20:51:04 ? Sep 27 20:51:20 anybody has a google apps domain set up on the pre for email? Sep 27 20:51:59 as "gmail" it doesn't work and can make it as Exchange (Google Sync) either... Sep 27 20:54:10 StuFFmc, if you migrate to new infrastructure it should work Sep 27 20:54:19 (as gmail) Sep 27 20:54:35 you have to be google apps domain admin for that tho Sep 27 20:54:48 new infrastructures? got it working via "Contacts" Sep 27 20:55:04 wow anyone seen this new blackberry tablet Sep 27 20:55:06 StuFFmc, yes, new infrastructure of google apps Sep 27 20:55:13 looks like a straight copy of webos Sep 27 20:55:21 CTLAdvance, wanna link? Sep 27 20:55:23 holy crap Sep 27 20:55:25 sure Sep 27 20:55:27 thx Sep 27 20:55:35 http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/27/rim-introduces-playbook-the-blackberry-tablet/ Sep 27 20:55:42 I have google apps on mah pre... Sep 27 20:55:42 StuFFmc, migration process makes your GApps acc same as google acc Sep 27 20:56:01 it just works... Sep 27 20:56:16 literally, I just put in my full domain email and pass and thats it Sep 27 20:56:17 it looks sleep CTLAdvance Sep 27 20:56:32 well, I did before I moved to the exchange way Sep 27 21:00:50 I wonder if HP/Palm has any patents they can use against rim on this Sep 27 21:01:24 RIM also has announced a way to make webapps for the blackberry just like webOS with its own native access Sep 27 21:02:35 •WebWorks development platform. From what we've heard of this so far, it's basically a quick way for web devs to get into the BlackBerry app game by offering a tightly-integrated platform for HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript code with hooks to native BlackBerry OS functions and a packager for turning them into "real" BlackBerry apps. Sep 27 21:02:45 oy Sep 27 21:07:50 CTLAdvance: oy indeed Sep 27 21:07:55 i like palm Sep 27 21:08:05 i ROYALLY FREAKING HATE HOW THEY WONT TELL US WTF THE PLAN IS Sep 27 21:08:15 and i am without a doubt porting apps to the playbook Sep 27 21:08:31 I just want one because Sep 27 21:08:38 as a flash dev, porting to AIR is going to be easier than writing a new app Sep 27 21:08:50 and that table looks awesome Sep 27 21:09:01 ergh Sep 27 21:09:03 AIR is evil Sep 27 21:09:07 false Sep 27 21:09:23 true Sep 27 21:09:40 it's one of the easiest platforms to write for Sep 27 21:09:54 possibly, but also uses tons of ram and is rather slow Sep 27 21:09:58 boolean false/true/maybe Sep 27 21:10:04 AIR 1.0 maybe Sep 27 21:10:18 2.0 is a lot faster Sep 27 21:10:22 isn't AIR 2.0 in beta or something? Sep 27 21:10:28 ya Sep 27 21:10:42 yup, that's why I didn't really want to play with it yet *shrug* Sep 27 21:11:03 well suit yourself, just saying writing for AIR is great Sep 27 21:11:17 and the playbook looks like everything i wish palm would release in a tablet Sep 27 21:11:18 if you like it..:) Sep 27 21:11:28 Yeah I agree, ill be writing apps for blackberry Sep 27 21:11:36 palm may have something really hot Sep 27 21:11:39 the new toolkit I think will be for all blackberry 6 devices Sep 27 21:11:51 but the sure as shit are telling anyone about it, and they are going to get "Droid"ed all over again Sep 27 21:12:13 codeslaw - it doesnt matter what palm has now, this is really a palm device branded blackberry, and made by blackberry Sep 27 21:12:16 holy crap Sep 27 21:12:25 * KGF2009 might have a beta of his app out soon! Sep 27 21:12:34 If I stop making stupid mistakes, that is. Sep 27 21:12:57 the only hope for palm is that QNX isn't even close to as refined as webOS Sep 27 21:13:35 I dont think QNX has what it takes to pick up Sep 27 21:13:42 aside from linux fanboys Sep 27 21:13:54 which, from the video preview, is currently the case. QNX looks like a webos clone, with lots of polish Sep 27 21:14:21 if blackberry rolls qnx into the corporate phone sector, it will pick up Sep 27 21:16:06 yeah if blackberry bases its name on it yes Sep 27 21:16:07 but Sep 27 21:16:22 QNX by itself without a major brand could never pick up Sep 27 21:16:27 see you soon guys…. and thanks for your help :) Sep 27 21:16:43 I cant believe how similar this is to webOS Sep 27 21:16:58 I just hope Palm wasnt so open they forgot to patent parts of the OS Sep 27 21:18:20 I thought they had a patent for card view and task switching Sep 27 21:18:38 another shred of hope lies in that blackberry is a spec of dust compared to HP in terms of size, so HP has the ability to push their tablet a lot harder, as well as bring it to market sustainably in a shorter amount of time Sep 27 21:20:11 i just wish they would announce something Sep 27 21:20:33 not cryptic tweets from rahul sood Sep 27 21:20:53 what is coming, and why should we stay Sep 27 21:22:54 I thought they announced it with the new SDK etc? Sep 27 21:23:03 no Sep 27 21:23:08 they have only announced webos 2.0 Sep 27 21:23:13 see? Sep 27 21:23:14 :p Sep 27 21:23:27 no devices other than "new devices coming" Sep 27 21:23:28 see what/ Sep 27 21:23:29 ? Sep 27 21:23:59 :P Sep 27 21:24:14 -_- Sep 27 21:29:32 what Sep 27 21:29:34 blackberry tablet's revealed? Sep 27 21:30:01 yes Sep 27 21:30:08 its a webOS copy on tablet Sep 27 21:30:25 hmm... apparently there's quite a few ways to do submenus Sep 27 21:31:31 looking at the videos, it's not even as nice as webos Sep 27 21:31:44 but they are first to market :( Sep 27 21:31:54 no, they aren't even setting release dates Sep 27 21:32:06 galaxy tab was the first NICE non-ipad tab to moarket Sep 27 21:32:14 I'd be skeptical that anyone would go that route that isn't already a BB user Sep 27 21:32:15 other android tabs are generally garbage Sep 27 21:32:26 regardless, its way more than we have seen from Palm Sep 27 21:32:40 summatusmentis: i would, depending price point and whether or not hpalm has told us anything Sep 27 21:32:55 dohtem: i know its aggravating. i hate to think we're going to miss the hype train again Sep 27 21:32:57 but Sep 27 21:33:12 HP can make an announcement, and have a product out a lot quicker than RIMM i think Sep 27 21:34:08 even galaxy tab is sketchy Sep 27 21:34:31 ya webOS will still be the best tablet option, as long as they don't wait until 2012 Sep 27 21:34:34 I just hope there's a webOS tablet and the platform doesn't get dicked up Sep 27 21:35:25 dicked up? Sep 27 21:35:43 are they even talking about 2012? Sep 27 21:36:01 codeslaw - I am not even sure about that now, ive seen some really nice W7 tabs coming and with IE9 installed I think they will be very good Sep 27 21:36:35 haven't seen them, but ya they could be nice Sep 27 21:36:59 W7 like... Sep 27 21:37:01 ...windows 7? Sep 27 21:37:10 the key for a w7 tablet will be battery, yes like omg Sep 27 21:37:12 windows 7 Sep 27 21:37:36 didn't we just spend like a decade trying the desktop windows tablet thing Sep 27 21:37:50 yeahm the wrong way Sep 27 21:38:00 yep and I had both desktop tablet and notebook tablet and both were awesome Sep 27 21:38:12 well Sep 27 21:38:16 touch interface Sep 27 21:38:27 tx2XXX series notebook Sep 27 21:38:36 and forget which of the touchsmart pc;s ive had Sep 27 21:38:50 I traded for the notebook 2 years ago Sep 27 21:48:43 anyways I hope we get some compelling hardware from hp Sep 27 21:48:55 soon Sep 27 21:49:50 theres no sense in making your loyal fans/developers feel like fools for waiting Sep 27 21:51:54 nothing more aggravating than putting "padding:0px; margin:0px;" on EVERY DIV IN THE STACK and still seeing an un-explainable 15px margin Sep 27 21:55:41 please tablet hard Sep 27 21:56:08 what? Sep 27 22:13:38 good night Sep 27 22:34:04 KGF2009: how's it coming? Sep 27 22:43:59 haeffb, excellent. I've got the timezones converting and such, now I need to implement DST changes. Sep 27 22:44:15 cool Sep 27 22:44:44 did you see my msg about event.index earlier? I saw you were looking for that late last night. Sep 27 22:48:58 Yeah, but I've got it working. Sep 27 22:53:06 soooo close to having a working db again! Sep 27 22:53:10 stupid node! Sep 27 22:54:13 is a sqlite db the only way to store data between runs of the app? Sep 27 22:54:29 in a webos app? Sep 27 22:54:30 no Sep 27 22:54:40 you get 4k of cookies as well Sep 27 22:54:59 oh, I have no idea how cookies work :) Sep 27 22:55:28 they are much easier to use, and they get backed up to the palm-profile so they persist over doctoring;s and device swaps Sep 27 22:56:12 oh, so if I only need to store small things, that makes more sense Sep 27 22:56:18 yeah Sep 27 22:56:22 interesting Sep 27 22:56:25 this is worrisome... not all of the photos that I've taken show up in the DCIM folder. they show up in the photo roll, but I can't find them on the drive when I plug in the phone Sep 27 22:56:29 esp for stuff like login details Sep 27 22:56:42 halfhalo: yeah, in this case API keys and usernames Sep 27 23:03:29 halfhalo: what should I be looking for in the palm documentation? Sep 27 23:03:41 for how to use cookies? Sep 27 23:04:17 its simple Sep 27 23:04:34 or is it just like cookies in a regular browser? Sep 27 23:04:40 var cookie=new Mojo.Model.Cookie("cookiename"); Sep 27 23:05:05 var is global right? Sep 27 23:05:11 then you can do cookie.get(), cookie.put(), and cookie.remove(); Sep 27 23:05:21 and I don't recall Sep 27 23:05:23 sorry, I'm entirely new to web dev Sep 27 23:06:07 I usually go this.cookie=Mojo.Model.Cookie Sep 27 23:06:34 and that just stays with the app through sessions? Sep 27 23:07:12 halfhalo: can I give cookie.put() a list model Sep 27 23:07:25 I have no idea Sep 27 23:07:41 I'll try it out Sep 27 23:07:53 * halfhalo is drawing upon his ancient knowledge gained when he made an app years ago Sep 27 23:08:02 I really need to spend some time on learning web dev first Sep 27 23:08:56 I believe it's time for my mid afternoon donut! Sep 27 23:17:48 dohtem: you can put any object in a cookie Sep 27 23:18:02 as long as your cookies are < 4k Sep 27 23:18:32 summatusmentis: "var" means not global Sep 27 23:18:55 but I've got huge cookies! Sep 27 23:18:57 or more precisely, var means local scope Sep 27 23:19:07 delicious, too Sep 27 23:19:25 torchie: you must share with the rest of us if you have over 4k cookies! Sep 27 23:19:47 it's over 4000 Sep 27 23:27:01 woot! thanks haeffb. Sep 27 23:27:18 I probably could have looked that up but I'm being lazy :) Sep 27 23:30:59 * macman_ keeps researching keyboard Sep 27 23:31:26 haeffb: oh, really? Sep 27 23:31:31 interesting Sep 27 23:32:13 function () { ... var myVar = 1; ...} Sep 27 23:32:21 myVar is local to that function Sep 27 23:32:36 function () {... myVar = 1; ...} Sep 27 23:32:39 myVar is global Sep 27 23:34:08 haeffb: interesting Sep 27 23:34:17 global state by default is weird to me Sep 27 23:34:39 strange, but true Sep 27 23:34:43 I should look into whether nor not palm will have interns next summer Sep 27 23:36:43 :D Sep 27 23:37:17 I don't think I have the skills, but it'd be cool Sep 27 23:37:29 sugardave: time for you to teach me how to update a database schema Sep 27 23:37:49 skills? Sep 27 23:37:50 SKILLS? Sep 27 23:37:55 what of the drive Sep 27 23:37:55 the passion Sep 27 23:38:44 ... Sep 27 23:39:04 oh god need caffeine, brb Sep 27 23:39:07 torchie: I can come off as passionate, certainly Sep 27 23:39:20 but I know next to nothing about web development Sep 27 23:39:22 macman_: uh. what? Sep 27 23:39:29 haeffb, nothing Sep 27 23:39:39 researching keyboard? Sep 27 23:40:22 haeffb, im a die hard android user 0_o plam pre is very pretty and i like pretty stuff hahah .. im upgrade eligble in january and have a decsion between a 1ghz samsung captive or the palm pre .. only thing that is holding me back is the pal pre's keyboard Sep 27 23:40:28 i have fat fingers Sep 27 23:40:34 i don't wantt o fat finger anything Sep 27 23:41:15 ah. by January you will (hopefully) have another Palm option Sep 27 23:41:30 hmm Sep 27 23:41:42 can you elberate ? Sep 27 23:41:48 the Pre is over a year old already Sep 27 23:41:48 currently im on an android device Sep 27 23:41:53 yea Sep 27 23:41:57 palm pre plus for ATT Sep 27 23:42:16 Palm/HP should be releasing a new device soon. They haven't announced anything yet, though. Sep 27 23:42:29 talked to a guy who works on the mobile me team and builds the web interface for apple Sep 27 23:42:31 was neat Sep 27 23:42:43 uses sproutcore, so we nerded out for a few Sep 27 23:42:55 get a job? Sep 27 23:43:06 we were just talking! Sep 27 23:43:23 can't an engineer and an engineering student get together to talk without it being about a job? :D Sep 27 23:43:24 ...always networking... Sep 27 23:43:42 There's nothing between us! Sep 27 23:43:51 why would you even think that? Sep 27 23:43:53 lol Sep 27 23:43:59 "jobs fair" Sep 27 23:44:18 yet no steve jobs. how unfair. Sep 27 23:44:49 Ok, I'm ready to be entertained by DishNetwork Sep 27 23:45:18 lol Sep 27 23:45:45 my DVR is nearly full Sep 27 23:46:06 edit: my DVR AND my 1TB external drive are nearly full Sep 27 23:46:30 addendum: way too much space taken by wife's recordings of "Sunrise Earth" Sep 27 23:46:53 really, how many hours of the sun rising can one person watch? Sep 27 23:47:06 I'm to lazy to get an external drive for my dvr, I just have it set to delete the oldest stuff for space Sep 27 23:47:33 SPEAKING OF WHICH! I shall go online and tell it to record Hawaii 5-0 and Castle! Sep 27 23:48:00 "thanks for the reminder, haeffb" Sep 27 23:48:01 Wait... Its not plugged into a phone line... but it IS plugged into the network... I wonder if that will work.... Sep 27 23:48:04 you're welcome halfhalo Sep 27 23:48:19 lol Sep 27 23:48:35 mine is network only and I can access online Sep 27 23:48:43 Dish dvr Sep 27 23:49:20 hey, if you give me your login info, I'll set it to record some good stuff for you... Sep 27 23:50:13 Mine needs either a phone line or hopefully a network connection to use pay per view and to set stuff to record, while network is also used to stream stuff to and from it to watch dvr recordings on my pc Sep 27 23:50:22 that would be a cool app. let you choose to allow someone else to record to your dvr. you could limit them to a couple hours of stuff. Sep 27 23:50:46 "hmmm...halfhalo needs to see this show..." Sep 27 23:50:50 * halfhalo hopes the directv app remembers his pw Sep 27 23:51:12 dish requires either phone OR broadband Sep 27 23:51:21 My dvr is a single tuner only, though.. not enough ports on it Sep 27 23:51:35 I'm HOPING dtv is the same Sep 27 23:52:21 I'm also hoping I plugged the switch back in that connects my media stuff in my room to the network Sep 27 23:54:32 talked to an hp engineer Sep 27 23:54:39 nice adjustment to the steve jobs joke Sep 27 23:54:45 he works on printer firmware Sep 27 23:55:03 did he give the scoop on new palm devices? Sep 27 23:55:12 and I was like "man I've been trying to apply to intern at palm" and he was like, "HA, GOOD LUCK!" Sep 27 23:55:29 he said that until their systems were integrated that would be really hard Sep 27 23:55:38 * haeffb would not enjoy a job working on printer firmware. Sep 27 23:55:41 he also said he felt like hp was going to completely phase out the palm name Sep 27 23:56:06 sad panda Sep 27 23:56:16 and that the reason hp is moving webOS to printers is because currently it runs window CE and they want to stop paying those licensing costs Sep 27 23:56:33 well I don't know if it's too sad Sep 27 23:56:42 I mean, webOS was the creation, palm was just the name Sep 27 23:56:57 and hp might have a huge market penetration that palm couldn't, according to the name Sep 27 23:57:02 yeah, reducing royalties on printers is likely a large percentage of the reason for buying Palm in the first place. Sep 27 23:57:12 palm was the creation Sep 27 23:57:15 a long time ago Sep 27 23:57:45 rwhitby: reducing all royalties, if ya know what I mean :D Sep 27 23:58:26 as webOS matures, I figure it will go on to more and more and more ;) Sep 27 23:58:37 webOS desktop computers Sep 27 23:58:44 when you make as many printers as HP does, every dollar of royalty removed turns directly into millions of dollars of profit, especially if the phone business can pay for the maintenance of the OS on behalf of the printer business (which is the real profit center) Sep 27 23:58:45 rwhitby: your timezone app is apparently nearly in beta... Sep 27 23:59:13 awesome. and I see that Spaz is going to have a "Preware" theme too :) Sep 27 23:59:14 it's odd to see hp so hype for printers Sep 27 23:59:16 I kind of Sep 27 23:59:20 forgot about printers Sep 27 23:59:31 even though they're like, important and stuff Sep 27 23:59:43 * haeffb just bought a samsung printer Sep 27 23:59:50 * halfhalo has two hp printers Sep 27 23:59:51 I still need a printer lol Sep 27 23:59:53 no webOS on it, though Sep 27 23:59:57 Look at the relative financial results for each of the HP business units ... Sep 28 00:00:03 right, printers are big Sep 28 00:00:06 this samsung laser was about $100 Sep 28 00:00:30 with wifi networking built in Sep 28 00:00:47 Mine has... issues with the wireless network Sep 28 00:00:56 replaces a 10-year old samsung laser that I bought for $125 Sep 28 00:01:01 it's just that the smartphone and netbook and tablet wars have taken away all the sex from the ink-on-paper routine I guess Sep 28 00:01:04 it will light the screen up whenever something talks to it over the network and the screen is BRIGHT Sep 28 00:01:05 Impact on financial results is the majority basis of any acquisition decision. Sep 28 00:01:06 which still works flawlessly, just no wifi Sep 28 00:01:32 rwhitby: not the greater good of humanking? Sep 28 00:01:36 humankind? Sep 28 00:02:06 new ep of House recording now. Sep 28 00:02:23 and HIMYM Sep 28 00:02:28 to expand in to new markets Sep 28 00:02:36 In a couple of years time, the statement "We didn't buy Palm to get into the smartphone business" will not look so silly. Sep 28 00:02:44 no one makes acquisitions to expand their presence in a market they are already in Sep 28 00:03:00 because the companies that do that fail Sep 28 00:03:08 do they really Sep 28 00:03:27 yes, yes they do :D Sep 28 00:03:37 alexfner: either to expand the top line or reduce the bottom line. both work. Sep 28 00:03:48 my statement is not contradictory to rwhitby's Sep 28 00:03:58 alexfner: agreed Sep 28 00:04:45 Question .. this is not because you are die hard palm users .. but why buy a palm pre over an android Sep 28 00:04:58 macman_: WebOS Internals. Sep 28 00:05:12 rwhitby, what does that mean ? Sep 28 00:05:13 (that's a biased answer of course) Sep 28 00:05:22 macman_: usability Sep 28 00:05:29 android i can use Sep 28 00:06:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard ? Sep 28 00:06:07 so there is an onscreen keyboard Sep 28 00:06:23 anyone use it ? Sep 28 00:06:45 one of the really neat things about webos is the ability to modify the standard apps to fit your needs (if you so choose) .. Sep 28 00:07:02 there a market or something for palm ? Sep 28 00:07:14 preware ? Sep 28 00:07:15 you mean for applications ? Sep 28 00:07:16 lol i talk to much Sep 28 00:07:28 yeah, there is an App Catalog .. Sep 28 00:07:38 * rwhitby believes that a smartphone is such a personal device, that trying to take other people's opinions about it as having any bearing on your own suitability is usually flawed. Sep 28 00:08:10 a very good point Sep 28 00:08:28 Same reason why i don't tell mos tpeople to get a palm phone, they will hate it Sep 28 00:08:31 hmm.. rwhitby im an avid texter .. coming from a blackberry its a lot .. then i fell to the iphone trap (no multitasking period!!) so i chcked it .. now im on android witch has a lot of multitasking .. i've always liked the plam pre cuase my brother in law has it but never really looked into it Sep 28 00:08:50 macman_: this isn't official, but should give an idea: http://www.cyrket.com/search?category=6953&market=palm Sep 28 00:08:51 (OTOH, I tell everyone to ditch winmo) Sep 28 00:08:53 macman_: if your first question is whether there is an application market for webOS or not, then you obviously have not down any independent research on this matter yet. Sep 28 00:09:07 s/down/done/ Sep 28 00:09:21 rwhitby, while we where talking i was on the webos internals and it was in the middle Sep 28 00:09:22 my bad Sep 28 00:10:31 my brother in law got me hooked i guess .. i saw him doing something and some notifications where at the bottom Sep 28 00:10:34 I would suggest downloading the webOS Emulator, and kicking the tyres. Then try one out in a store. Sep 28 00:11:13 the emulator is what sold me. Sep 28 00:11:18 hmm Sep 28 00:11:26 when switching from winmo Sep 28 00:11:53 the fact that it wasn't winmo was what sold me when switching from winmo Sep 28 00:12:02 lol Sep 28 00:12:18 yea that emulator im looking at looks very nice .. android sdk / emualtor is boring Sep 28 00:12:20 0_o Sep 28 00:12:26 * rwhitby came direct from Treo 650 Sep 28 00:12:38 thanks all Sep 28 00:12:40 * halfhalo came from an lg voyager Sep 28 00:12:46 I upgraded from a RAZR to a Pre+ Sep 28 00:12:49 * halfhalo loved the 15 a month tethering that came with it Sep 28 00:13:00 a slowly dying RAZR... Sep 28 00:14:06 treo pro -> pre+ Sep 28 00:14:12 treo pro had some durable construction Sep 28 00:14:37 at least Sep 28 00:14:43 erm not pre+, just pre- Sep 28 00:15:15 I went from voyager > pre > pre plus, with the last thanks to the metadoctor Sep 28 00:20:15 m505 - tungstenT - 650 - 700p - Touch Diamond - Pre Sep 28 00:20:18 blackberry pearl -> pre+ :) love it. Sep 28 00:21:12 I had one of the first color m series.. and the m103 before that Sep 28 00:21:40 still have the m103 as well Sep 28 00:21:53 centro -> treo -> pre Sep 28 00:22:04 I had a zire once! Sep 28 00:22:10 so boss. Sep 28 00:22:15 i had a pdq-800 Sep 28 00:22:16 SUCK IT Sep 28 00:22:17 I seem to upgrade every 3-5 yrs.. Sep 28 00:22:22 ^_^ Sep 28 00:22:29 I upgrade every year or so Sep 28 00:22:32 back when the PDQ was qualcomm Sep 28 00:22:44 Mostly because I broke most of my featurephones Sep 28 00:23:42 what does "error: Error: Cannot call method 'getValue' of null, line undefined, file undefined" mean as output from palm-log? Sep 28 00:23:52 or rather, how do I go about fixing it? Sep 28 00:24:18 your getValue on a null object Sep 28 00:24:52 that doesn't make sense... Sep 28 00:25:00 as in, the object I'm referring to doesn't exist? Sep 28 00:25:03 * halfhalo is in class, Sep 28 00:25:04 yes Sep 28 00:25:05 or just that the value is null? Sep 28 00:25:13 the object is null Sep 28 00:26:04 oh, typo :( Sep 28 00:26:11 programming is hard, let's go shopping Sep 28 00:26:21 * halfhalo likes that plan Sep 28 00:27:15 bbl quiz Sep 28 00:27:33 now I'm getting "error: Error: Object # has no method 'getValue', line undefined, file undefined Sep 28 00:27:50 and "warning: WidgetController: Cannot instantiate widget 'TextArea'." Sep 28 00:27:56 summatusmentis: probably need to stick .mojo. between that object and getValue() Sep 28 00:29:57 i hate fixing other peoples computers.. this one im working on had a bad dvd drive, and all i needed to do was wipe and restore, but no.... i had to hunt around in boxes looking for an old drive so i could do what was intended Sep 28 00:30:26 sugardave: I'm doing " this.controller.get("zoteroKey").mojo.getValue(); Sep 28 00:30:27 " Sep 28 00:30:42 and of course its usb only and i has only one usb keyboard Sep 28 00:30:55 it's doing the same thing with or without the .mojo. in the middle Sep 28 00:31:02 using onscreen kb as we speak =( Sep 28 00:33:12 and using my 2nd monitor on the brokexpc, but ff and chrome are stuck over off screen, so im stuck with... ie Sep 28 00:33:23 fml Sep 28 00:41:39 "stuck with ... ie. fml" Sep 28 00:41:45 profound Sep 28 00:42:15 summatusmentis: what sort of element is 'zoteroKey' ? Sep 28 00:42:37 sugardave: never mind on the database thing. I waited too long and am now drinking. Sep 28 00:42:56 haeffb: TextField, I think Sep 28 00:43:07 you need to be...sure Sep 28 00:43:19 YEAAAHH!! Sep 28 00:43:50 ok, well, that's the id given to a div that is a TextField, but it's also the "name" I gave to this.controller.setupWidget Sep 28 00:44:07 when instantiating the widget Sep 28 00:44:26 ok. setupWidget takes an id. Sep 28 00:44:37 so that should be correct Sep 28 00:44:56 so, you're getting an HTMLDivElement, but it can't find the getValue() method. Sep 28 00:45:33 actually, putting .mojo. in between got rid of the HTMLDivElement issue, and now I'm just getting null object errors again Sep 28 00:46:07 you may need to pastebin some stuff so we can see what's going wrong. Sep 28 00:46:39 d'you want the whole *-assistant.js file? Sep 28 00:46:55 like the setupWidget and the function where you're trying to getValue() Sep 28 00:46:57 http://na.blackberry.com/eng/developers/tablet.jsp - now everyone's jumping on the HTML5/CSS/JavaScript bandwagon Sep 28 00:46:59 or the whole thing. Sep 28 00:47:38 the whole thing is easier, I think Sep 28 00:48:24 http://pastebin.com/7mUZAzN6 Sep 28 00:49:44 I can give you the HTML too if you want... Sep 28 00:50:16 I'm wondering if the inputName in setupWidget is affecting other things Sep 28 00:50:58 ]typo Sep 28 00:51:01 typo Sep 28 00:51:29 which? Sep 28 00:51:34 all Sep 28 00:51:34 steModeLowerCase? Sep 28 00:51:37 of the above Sep 28 00:51:40 nah. Sep 28 00:51:43 nevermind Sep 28 00:51:46 what's the html? Sep 28 00:52:14 holy crap they're actually using QNX Sep 28 00:52:15 http://pastebin.com/UMJ002Gb Sep 28 00:52:30 I figured it was just a worthless acquisition Sep 28 00:52:44 and the multicore bit is telling Sep 28 00:52:59 but you do have handleId () defined twice Sep 28 00:54:42 haeffb: ok, fixed that, but it's still... not updating readId and readKey properly Sep 28 00:55:24 do this: Sep 28 00:55:41 this.handleKey = this.handleKey.bind(this); Sep 28 00:55:45 puppy found out how to get on the couch.. not good Sep 28 00:55:55 # Sep 28 00:55:55 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("zoteroKey"), Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handleKey()); Sep 28 00:55:55 # Sep 28 00:56:19 lol Sep 28 00:56:38 since you're not binding the function, "this" no longer refers to the same "this"... :) Sep 28 00:56:52 puppies should not be on couch till puppy is housetraind Sep 28 00:57:00 oh and change... Sep 28 00:57:14 although my puppy lives on couches Sep 28 00:57:18 and they totally ripped out card view for multitasking Sep 28 00:57:19 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("zoteroKey"), Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handleKey); Sep 28 00:57:36 do not use the parens after this.handleKey Sep 28 00:58:44 Amaranth: you mean showing programs in smaller windows and providing the ability to maximize them? Sep 28 00:59:09 haeffb: I meant the zoomed out horizontal list scrolling off the screen Sep 28 00:59:10 mine is in a crate for ten hours while im at work, so when i get home shes uber hyper :/ Sep 28 00:59:17 haeffb: thanks, that did it Sep 28 00:59:21 Then again, I also ripped it off for a compiz plugin that the joojoo ended up using so... Sep 28 00:59:44 Of course my ripoff was a basic proof of concept that never got finished because I never got paid and they used the buggy thing anyway Sep 28 01:00:02 mine is outside until I get home, and usually is in the pool Sep 28 01:00:43 haeffb: is there a way to make text areas look like actual text boxes instead of just white areas? Sep 28 01:01:03 yes, you need to use palm's css Sep 28 01:01:13 oh, point to that? ok Sep 28 01:01:18 he's not allowed to freely move inside and outside anymore... not after the incidnt, at least Sep 28 01:01:37 no, have to add the right classes to your html Sep 28 01:01:50 best bet is to look at StyleMatters app that came with the SDK Sep 28 01:02:01 or perhaps UIWidgets Sep 28 01:02:03 or both Sep 28 01:02:22 "the incident?" Sep 28 01:03:33 oh god Sep 28 01:03:33 finally starting on updating critical mass Sep 28 01:03:33 wish me luck Sep 28 01:03:35 summatusmentis: here's an example http://pastebin.com/ipMYT7kL Sep 28 01:03:49 alexfner: good luck! Sep 28 01:04:08 how dare you wish me luck! Sep 28 01:04:16 Roy-Pre101: hey roy, what was that thing I was going to do again? Sep 28 01:04:38 * haeffb is a daring individual Sep 28 01:04:39 haeffb: hrm... interesting Sep 28 01:05:38 if you wrap all that stuff around your textfield, then they get all the proper css styles Sep 28 01:07:55 BMyers! Sep 28 01:12:17 haeffb: now they're just grey fields, and don't really look like text fields Sep 28 01:13:28 oh, highlight, not hilight Sep 28 01:26:41 is there a way to rename scenes? Sep 28 01:28:24 rename how? you can just go rename the folders and files. Sep 28 01:29:03 well, I have it a name with palm-generate, and I don't know what all needs to be notified Sep 28 01:30:58 gave* Sep 28 01:31:23 xxxx-assistant.js Sep 28 01:31:31 views/xxxx Sep 28 01:31:44 views/xxxx/xxxx-scene.html Sep 28 01:31:51 right Sep 28 01:31:53 and then modify sources.json to point to the new files Sep 28 01:31:56 oh, ok Sep 28 01:33:36 dont forget inside the sceneassistant too Sep 28 01:33:44 oh, and in xxxx-assistant.js, rename all the XxxxAssistant stuff Sep 28 01:34:01 ooooh beat you Sep 28 01:34:11 dawm WINS! Sep 28 01:34:20 and i have to type w/ a mouse Sep 28 01:34:38 oh oh, right Sep 28 01:34:44 type with a mouse? Sep 28 01:34:45 that seems a severe handicap. Sep 28 01:34:45 psh Sep 28 01:34:55 it is Sep 28 01:35:02 er. disability. Sep 28 01:35:25 I... this app feels like it's going to come along way too quickly Sep 28 01:35:26 specially when i have a keyboard in front of me Sep 28 01:35:36 I recognize it's fairly simple, but it shouldn't be this easy Sep 28 01:35:46 shhh. don't tell anyone. Sep 28 01:35:49 but its hooked to another machine Sep 28 01:36:06 or we'll be overrun with webOS developers Sep 28 01:36:10 haeffb: is that bad? Sep 28 01:36:14 if anything that's good Sep 28 01:36:27 yay, got my kb back.. stupid repair machine is finally done Sep 28 01:37:22 sooo... apparently my power went out while I was driving homw Sep 28 01:37:29 home* Sep 28 01:41:40 halfhalo: so do you have power right now? Sep 28 01:41:48 yup Sep 28 01:41:59 haeffb: sorry, missed your db question Sep 28 01:42:30 mac mini auto boots when its power gets cut, so that came back up right after power did Sep 28 01:42:31 ya, some other time Sep 28 01:42:50 I see it now...I, um, don't know how to do it right Sep 28 01:43:21 but, I'm sure it can be figured it out Sep 28 01:45:27 summatusmentis: we are trying to keep the competition away Sep 28 01:45:41 if everybody knew how easy it was, we'd be screwed Sep 28 01:45:55 sugardave: I guess from a developer perspective sure Sep 28 01:46:02 ;) Sep 28 01:46:10 :) Sep 28 01:46:52 haeffb: my wife finally picked my watch up from the fix-it place....it fits real nice now Sep 28 01:46:57 thanks again! Sep 28 01:47:08 nice. welcome. Sep 28 01:47:21 Dr. Pepper ftw! Sep 28 01:47:28 you trading watches for apps now? Sep 28 01:47:30 yum-may Sep 28 01:48:18 halfhalo: no, unless it's REALLY fancy and/or valuable Sep 28 01:52:20 * halfhalo is drinking ice cold coke out of his palm glass Sep 28 02:00:22 dawm: hey, you there? Sep 28 02:18:17 app reviews suck! Sep 28 02:18:37 uyou get one guy who slams your app not doing something it was never suppose to do and your stuck with it! Sep 28 02:18:51 needed to vent... Sep 28 02:21:00 halfhalo: I've had beer out of mine! Sep 28 02:21:24 * halfhalo is to young to legally drink in the us Sep 28 02:22:21 where did you get a palm glass Sep 28 02:23:10 dev day back in April Sep 28 02:24:36 * haeffb would have drank beer from my palm glass if I had a palm glass Sep 28 02:25:06 and this chili is damn good. Sep 28 02:38:35 Guys Sep 28 02:38:49 Best generic HTML editor for windows Sep 28 02:38:51 Quick Sep 28 02:39:05 notepad.exe Sep 28 02:39:09 haha Sep 28 02:39:12 I love you Sep 28 02:39:15 <3 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 02:59:57 2010