**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 30 02:59:57 2010 Sep 30 03:02:51 Is there a homebrew app or something out there than can play AVI files? Sep 30 03:07:11 avi is technically just a container i believe .. but probably not Sep 30 03:07:56 Then is there a way I can convert it to a H.264 MP4 in Ubuntu 10.04? Sep 30 03:08:16 probably Sep 30 03:08:35 Do you know of it? Because I've searched for the past hour and gotten nothing good. Sep 30 03:09:15 i do not, sorry Sep 30 03:11:44 anyone on? or am i lagging really bad? :-) Sep 30 03:11:52 I am here Sep 30 03:14:06 hello! I'm looking for some help getting my un-activated palm pre running Sep 30 03:14:29 probably a bad channel to ask in :P Sep 30 03:14:52 eltiriel: are you trying to activate it or just use it? Sep 30 03:14:56 maybe webos-internals? Sep 30 03:15:47 I don't have a service. it's an at&t branded phone, but I want to use it in wifi only, not as a phone Sep 30 03:16:02 well then just turn the wifi's on... Sep 30 03:16:37 hmm... I cannot get past the initial setup screen. no SIM card and all... Sep 30 03:16:37 eltiriel: run metadoctor Sep 30 03:16:52 eltiriel: give me a moment and I'll give you a link Sep 30 03:17:20 ohhh I sees Sep 30 03:17:26 yea you need metadoctor Sep 30 03:17:52 eltiriel: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051&Itemid=21 Sep 30 03:17:58 it explains it all Sep 30 03:17:59 I found a page about metadoctor here: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/meta-doctor.html Sep 30 03:18:13 i will have a look. thank you! Sep 30 03:22:23 KGF2009 DOESNT have a gay quitting message. Sep 30 03:25:24 The instructions for booting to recovery mode are amusing. I'm trying the webos doctor path... Sep 30 03:27:17 ok so basically I'm going to bed. So I won't be able to answer all your questions about everything in life. But alas! fear not! My partner sugardave is here to take over the exhausting work I have started. Sep 30 03:28:05 alexfner: heya Sep 30 03:28:11 hey Sep 30 03:28:14 I figured that out :) Sep 30 03:28:26 man applications -mojo are really fast Sep 30 03:28:28 * Anivrom gives dekan The Mojo Answer Man: Sugardavian guide to all things Mojo. Sep 30 03:28:40 alexfner: yep, but much less features Sep 30 03:28:43 this is a huge encouragement to remove mojo from Critical Mass Sep 30 03:28:54 yeah but you can pick and choose the features you want Sep 30 03:29:03 admittedly it makes it a lot more work Sep 30 03:29:12 but for a game, the biggest problem is GC getting in the way Sep 30 03:29:51 alexfner: you saw this right https://gist.github.com/7eca341f14b5aefa18f9 Sep 30 03:30:39 I think you showed it to me before Sep 30 03:30:44 but now it is bookmarked :) Sep 30 03:31:00 I've found not everything is in there, but it's a start Sep 30 03:31:26 for example, if you want orientation changes, you need to define window.Mojo.screenOrientationChanged Sep 30 03:32:15 less objects and the lack of prototype.js should help with the gc issues Sep 30 03:32:36 lol why would the lack of prototype.js cure gc? Sep 30 03:32:43 cause prototype is slow Sep 30 03:32:53 it's like driving an onion to work Sep 30 03:32:56 it makes you cry Sep 30 03:32:57 there are a handful of rules that if followed cure gc even in mojo apps. Sep 30 03:32:58 and you get no where Sep 30 03:33:39 creationix: I've started to write js tutorials, as I am trying to clean up the webos101.com docs Sep 30 03:33:44 there was some debate over my wording Sep 30 03:33:51 I am wondering what you think Sep 30 03:34:41 Main.prototype.add = function (x,y) { Sep 30 03:34:43 this.x = x; Sep 30 03:34:45 } Sep 30 03:35:04 I wrote, "In the previous example, where this.x is used, this refers to Main's prototype. " Sep 30 03:35:09 now this got me into a bit of hot water Sep 30 03:35:10 prototype Sep 30 03:35:24 because some wanted to argue that this referred to the Main object Sep 30 03:35:28 to which I objected Sep 30 03:35:44 the entirety of what I have done so far on the javascript front is here Sep 30 03:35:46 http://webos101.com/Javascript Sep 30 03:35:50 also working on canvas, pdk tutorials Sep 30 03:35:54 and a ton of intro articles Sep 30 03:35:59 trying to make the community docs not suck Sep 30 03:36:46 sorry to be eavesdropping, but I would agree with whoever objected to that description Sep 30 03:37:27 "this" refers to the instance of the object created by calling new Main(), not to Main's prototype. Sep 30 03:37:44 alexfner: eltiriel, actually it's neighter Sep 30 03:37:47 these scoping issues are why i like actionscript better Sep 30 03:37:51 "this" isn't tied to any object Sep 30 03:38:05 it's a special property that's determined only at call time Sep 30 03:38:06 codeslaw++ Sep 30 03:38:12 oh, yeah, you're right Sep 30 03:38:18 http://howtonode.org/what-is-this Sep 30 03:38:20 we ran into that today... Sep 30 03:38:21 ;) Sep 30 03:39:07 sometimes we have to play closure tricks to get a reference to our object... Sep 30 03:39:37 yep Sep 30 03:39:47 closures are essential to event based programming Sep 30 03:39:58 I also wrote http://howtonode.org/why-use-closure Sep 30 03:40:34 and I'm working on this article now http://creationix.com:3000/object-graphs Sep 30 03:40:41 ah so this is determined by the score in which it's used Sep 30 03:40:49 I like that example :) Sep 30 03:40:52 yes Sep 30 03:40:54 port 3000 is the best port evar Sep 30 03:41:42 so what's a proper way to say what this refers to Sep 30 03:41:50 in one or two lines Sep 30 03:41:53 without making it confusing Sep 30 03:41:59 lol Sep 30 03:42:03 :) Sep 30 03:42:20 port 1337 is so much betteh then 3000 IMHO Sep 30 03:42:36 no Sep 30 03:42:37 its not Sep 30 03:42:45 I would argue it is.... Sep 30 03:42:47 you're move Sep 30 03:42:55 your* Sep 30 03:43:07 no, I'm saying he IS move Sep 30 03:43:08 I'm holding a knife and have a full tank of gas in my car Sep 30 03:43:10 :P Sep 30 03:43:49 god creationix should just write the intro to javascript :) Sep 30 03:43:54 creationix: that article cuts off at the bottom Sep 30 03:43:56 I have cookies, which can be used to win the hearts and souls of countless individuals until I amass an army and overcome you Sep 30 03:44:17 codeslaw: the last one is still in progress Sep 30 03:44:21 I haven't finished it Sep 30 03:44:23 word Sep 30 03:45:05 alexfner: if you use the message passing metaphor, then "this" is the receiver of the message Sep 30 03:45:25 ;0 Sep 30 03:45:42 so I'm mostly self taught to this point Sep 30 03:45:49 and I'm writing tuts about how to use the PDK Sep 30 03:46:12 and I'm trying to explain orthogonal versus perspective matrix transformations in openGL, using only words because I can't find how to upload images Sep 30 03:46:22 needless to say, not a simple task to explain without a single image :) Sep 30 03:47:08 Um, I think you better find a way to upload images cause that sounds so painful it would take 2 seconds to google another tutorial. Sep 30 03:47:11 :P Sep 30 03:48:12 yeah I think I've found how Sep 30 03:48:26 but the best thing about a wiki is I can hone my ability to write tutorials/articles Sep 30 03:48:27 i can scan my linear algebra text book tables on orthogonal matrix projections Sep 30 03:48:31 yeah, I added graphvz support into my blog Sep 30 03:48:32 and learn stuf in the process Sep 30 03:48:37 and if I screw up hopefully someone will fix it Sep 30 03:48:39 I like being able to have diagrams Sep 30 03:49:11 codeslaw: just cause you can do something doesn't mean the process can't be improved :P Sep 30 03:49:25 capatalism = win Sep 30 03:49:32 capitalism* Sep 30 03:49:47 what does that even mean Anivrom Sep 30 03:49:49 are you drinking? Sep 30 03:49:54 ya i'm confused Sep 30 03:49:55 can i has some Sep 30 03:49:59 and i AM drinking Sep 30 03:50:03 I gots 2 beers in the fridge Sep 30 03:50:05 HA HA HA Sep 30 03:50:55 He said his text book didnt have images, so its not a big deal that your tut doesn't, but I'm saying images are always better, which is a reference to capitalism. If you can do something better than the next guy, you'll come out ahead. Sep 30 03:51:00 there. explained Sep 30 03:51:05 in all its wonderous complexity Sep 30 03:51:08 creationix: you haven't yet figured out how palm handles touch events? Sep 30 03:51:18 answer: poorly Sep 30 03:51:29 I haven't looked much Sep 30 03:51:32 but I think I will Sep 30 03:51:41 question: I've booted to recovery mode (big USB icon on screen), but when I run "java -jar devicetool.jar" it says, "No devices found". what gives? Sep 30 03:51:43 Nothing you say is of any validity at this time due to your drinking habits codeslaw Sep 30 03:51:48 alexfner: no, but I'll bet it's standard webkit Sep 30 03:52:01 eltiriel: is the device plugged in Sep 30 03:52:07 to the same computer Sep 30 03:52:09 they have written previously that scrolling is all done through javascript Sep 30 03:52:10 that you typed that Sep 30 03:52:13 into Sep 30 03:52:18 so it makes me think they have lower level access exposed somewhere Sep 30 03:52:28 no, we do it in Sencha Touch at work Sep 30 03:52:38 it's all javascript on top of the raw onTouch events Sep 30 03:52:39 oh man... what do you think of the sencha api? Sep 30 03:52:55 yeah, I ran through once with webos doctor and flashed the rom. then I had to boot into ercovery mode again to run devicetool... Sep 30 03:52:58 I haven't used Sencha much, but it seems quite sane Sep 30 03:53:02 but I guess the question is, are onTouch events implemented in webOS? Sep 30 03:53:18 coming from jquery, i found Ext a pain in the ass Sep 30 03:53:26 sencha widgets are nice, but heavy Sep 30 03:53:49 alexfner: grep mojo for touchStart and friends Sep 30 03:53:52 and i didn't mess around with the incremental building stuff Sep 30 03:54:19 eltiriel: maybe just unplug and try again, not sure what could be up Sep 30 03:54:24 howdy folks Sep 30 03:54:41 nada Sep 30 03:54:42 bah its im too tired to wrap my head around that article creationix. Sep 30 03:54:43 nothing Sep 30 03:54:44 blanko Sep 30 03:54:46 what-is-this* Sep 30 03:54:47 codeslaw: ty, that's all i can think to do as well Sep 30 03:57:18 good article though. I googled it once and it came up with garbage. Sep 30 03:58:11 i googled garbage once and came up with a good article Sep 30 03:58:29 * Anivrom notes to try that one day Sep 30 03:58:43 ok going to sleep n stuf rite. Sep 30 04:06:01 man I have been spending too much time on c++/openGl lately Sep 30 04:06:06 doing some javascript feels great Sep 30 04:06:15 :) Sep 30 04:07:29 don't you hate it when another programmer tells you javascript is "just a scripting language"? Sep 30 04:07:51 they're just jealous Sep 30 04:07:58 lol Sep 30 04:08:22 I've written javascript powered web servers that are faster than the best alternative in c Sep 30 04:08:44 i'm having some kind of weird usb problem on my windows box... time to reboot.... Sep 30 04:09:15 nix that Sep 30 04:09:40 windows update is doing something slow to my machine Sep 30 04:10:14 what else is new? Sep 30 04:10:17 get a MAC, they said Sep 30 04:12:47 no coding tonight, gona hit the hay cant tomara Sep 30 04:12:57 laterz Sep 30 04:26:51 whose up Sep 30 04:26:56 who's Sep 30 04:28:30 yo yo yo Sep 30 04:28:34 where da food at? Sep 30 04:28:49 my kitchen Sep 30 04:28:54 taunting me Sep 30 04:32:31 tell it no Sep 30 04:32:33 jared Sep 30 04:32:39 we've got to get you away from your kitchen Sep 30 04:32:42 you know what happens Sep 30 04:33:13 three days later you wake up in Guatemala, you can't remember your name, and you don't have any cash on you Sep 30 04:33:22 I'm sick of having to go to Guatemala to save you Sep 30 04:33:30 if you go to the kitchen and get food again, we're done! Sep 30 04:43:33 Guatemala has good food Sep 30 04:43:38 I want a kitchen like that Sep 30 04:43:43 mmmm beans Sep 30 05:27:40 Mourning all Sep 30 05:37:27 morning Sep 30 05:52:29 creationix: proper code to set window orientation? Sep 30 05:52:32 without mojo? Sep 30 05:52:34 any ideas Sep 30 05:58:23 hmm I seem to have gotten it Sep 30 06:10:45 I wonder; are the images provided in SDK with sample applications under such copyright that they cannot be re-used in FLOSS project? Sep 30 06:11:23 * teemu sucks in finding proper graphics Sep 30 06:13:08 FLOSS? Sep 30 06:13:15 they can be reused in webOS applications only Sep 30 06:13:19 copyright Palm Sep 30 06:13:22 Free/Libre Open Source Software etc. Sep 30 06:13:26 damn. ok. Sep 30 06:17:19 Good morning Sep 30 06:17:33 To you too. Time to get a cup of tea Sep 30 06:18:53 hehe just got my first cop of cofee Sep 30 06:19:01 waiting for it to cool down a little Sep 30 06:19:20 well I'm about to go to sleep, but I should have coffee as well Sep 30 06:19:28 :) Sep 30 06:19:52 coffee at night :D do you compensate with some whiskey(so you can sleep) Sep 30 06:20:53 alexfner: you can set the orientation? Sep 30 06:21:15 not sure... I'll get back to you on that :) Sep 30 07:31:34 morning Sep 30 07:41:48 morning swisstomcat Sep 30 07:43:29 morning hotdp Sep 30 09:50:57 wow! i just got invited to speak about webos at http://front-trends.com/ in poland Sep 30 10:51:06 congrats swisstomcat Sep 30 10:51:13 thanks Sep 30 10:51:23 now i have to figure out what to talk about :) Sep 30 10:51:38 looks like alot of JS folks Sep 30 10:51:43 yeah Sep 30 10:51:51 same as at jsconf.eu i just went to Sep 30 10:54:25 but a good way to promote WebOS for js people Sep 30 10:54:35 Hope Palm/HP see this ;) Sep 30 10:54:45 yeah Sep 30 10:55:12 well, at jsconf ben and dion were there giving a talk .... and handing out palm phones Sep 30 10:55:25 :( Sep 30 10:55:28 Did you get one? Sep 30 10:55:56 no Sep 30 10:56:05 they knew who i was :) Sep 30 11:07:33 dammit :D Sep 30 11:07:44 I would very much like to have a pre plus :s Sep 30 11:40:27 rehi Sep 30 11:40:49 i'll rather wait for the next-gen palm device :) Sep 30 11:53:50 you have plus? Sep 30 11:54:05 i have both Sep 30 11:54:14 and you don't think is mush betteR` Sep 30 11:54:22 it is better Sep 30 11:54:30 but not that much .. i'll wait for the next device Sep 30 11:55:01 oki. Sep 30 11:56:04 guh. Sep 30 12:00:10 Nokia N8 unboxing.. hah. That device looks ugly. Sep 30 12:41:47 Dr_Evo found a cure? Sep 30 12:50:15 yeah, HTC Sep 30 12:59:43 anyone working with reordering lists? Sep 30 13:11:11 morning everyone Sep 30 13:11:29 Good morning LoneStar99 Sep 30 13:13:23 what up hotdp Sep 30 13:13:38 u still going 2 NYC? Sep 30 13:14:20 YES! Sep 30 13:14:28 If i can get tickets :s Sep 30 13:15:32 if i can find a cheap flight from SD, I will go, will worry hote/motel/inn when i get to NYC Sep 30 13:15:35 morning lonestar Sep 30 13:15:52 morning Sep 30 13:17:20 uhh LoneStar99 you only come if you sell walltes? Sep 30 13:18:10 it would help =) Sep 30 13:19:53 flying back to san diego on saturday, need to find an apartment when i get there Sep 30 13:20:43 uhh Sep 30 13:20:50 i hope the best for you Sep 30 13:21:01 and hope you will save money for flight Sep 30 13:21:33 i save some "tax" on the ticket because my "company" buys the ticket and the NYC event is education Sep 30 13:21:36 yeah, i think I will just really need to find an apartment first, then plan for NYC =) Sep 30 13:22:06 i understand Sep 30 13:22:18 is it expensive in sd? Sep 30 13:22:40 about $950+ a month Sep 30 13:22:48 how many m2 ? Sep 30 13:22:50 for tiny one beadroom Sep 30 13:22:56 uhh Sep 30 13:23:02 thats not cheap Sep 30 13:23:15 nope Sep 30 13:23:36 i will probably pay $1K or so Sep 30 13:24:08 i pay 1k now for 71m2 Sep 30 13:26:09 is 71m2 = 71 meters x 2? Sep 30 13:27:58 i think you have square feet? Sep 30 13:28:04 m2 is square meters Sep 30 13:31:06 oh ok Sep 30 13:31:30 looking at about 400 sq ft maybe less Sep 30 13:38:02 have many ft to m :P Sep 30 13:38:36 yea Sep 30 13:38:50 something like 2.6 ft to m Sep 30 13:39:16 hmm Sep 30 13:39:26 so 400 s ft is 153m2 ? Sep 30 13:39:41 so 400sq ft = 180 sq meters? Sep 30 13:39:48 oh, I lied Sep 30 13:39:54 3.28 ft. /m Sep 30 13:40:11 I was thinking of yards Sep 30 13:40:19 oy yeah Sep 30 13:40:37 764 Square fett is what i have :D Sep 30 13:40:41 http://www.escapeartist.com/Conversions/Square_Meters_Square_Feet/ Sep 30 13:41:33 36.17m2 in SD Sep 30 13:41:53 :( Sep 30 13:42:04 what is SD? Sep 30 13:42:05 will be real lucky to find something bigger for 1k Sep 30 13:42:16 SD=san diego? Sep 30 13:42:20 oh Sep 30 13:42:21 yes Sep 30 13:42:23 yea Sep 30 13:42:29 I was thinking South Dakota Sep 30 13:42:34 airport code = SAN Sep 30 13:42:38 that's what I get for living in the midwest I suppose Sep 30 13:42:44 yeah, airport codes are better :) Sep 30 14:13:36 hmm Sep 30 14:13:44 might be a stupid question Sep 30 14:14:27 bbl Sep 30 14:20:53 how do i iterate over something like: Sep 30 14:20:55 this.data = { items : [ Sep 30 14:54:27 airport codes don't always work Sep 30 14:54:40 if i said AUS, where would you think i was talking about? Sep 30 14:58:48 austin? Sep 30 14:58:57 atlanta! Sep 30 14:59:00 I win! Sep 30 15:00:18 austin? Sep 30 15:00:53 THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE! Sep 30 15:02:02 Pre has no kindle reader? Sep 30 15:02:22 nope Sep 30 15:02:31 Which makes me a saaaaad panda Sep 30 15:02:44 But not as sad as me not having any books to read on my kindle Sep 30 15:02:47 disappointing Sep 30 15:02:53 well, any new books Sep 30 15:03:08 I need this book for this class and it's really cheap on kindle so thinking about going that route Sep 30 15:03:14 never bought a digital book before Sep 30 15:03:33 I had the first gen kindle and loved it, and now have the last gen dx Sep 30 15:03:44 AUS is ABIA's airport code, yes Sep 30 15:03:45 love it for regular reading, not so much for textbooks Sep 30 15:03:55 ORD? Sep 30 15:04:06 does it include audio? Sep 30 15:04:18 depends on the book Sep 30 15:04:19 it's not really a text book Sep 30 15:04:31 ORD = Chicago, of course Sep 30 15:04:36 actually nto a text book at all Sep 30 15:18:44 wow! i got invited to speak about webos at http://front-trends.com/ in poland :) Sep 30 15:20:46 nice Sep 30 15:22:46 now i need to organize some phones to give away Sep 30 15:22:58 break into a phone store! Sep 30 15:23:03 do meta updates, have to be reviewed> Sep 30 15:23:05 ? Sep 30 15:23:13 i think so? Sep 30 15:23:16 quick review Sep 30 15:23:26 oh ok Sep 30 15:23:30 liquidsky42: you need to register your nickname Sep 30 15:25:31 swisstomcat: -NickServ- You are now identified for liquidsky42. Sep 30 15:25:40 is nick registration requirement back on? Sep 30 15:25:49 did they turn it off? Sep 30 15:25:53 for a while Sep 30 15:25:55 oh Sep 30 15:26:08 serves them people right! Sep 30 15:26:20 good question .. i assumed because liquidsky42 was not talking and seemed new :) Sep 30 15:26:59 i am on this channel since 2 weeks Sep 30 15:27:15 hmm...can't seem to choose any language but english or spanish on my phone...how am I supposed to test this client issue? Sep 30 15:27:24 Need UK English = Sep 30 15:28:15 this issue is strange...sorting events is correct on my emu and phone, but completely incorrect on his phone (with UK English language and Netherlands formatting) Sep 30 15:28:22 sorry liquidsky42 Sep 30 15:28:42 sounds strange Sep 30 15:29:12 okay, I guess I'm stupid...why does the emulator have WAY more choices for language than my phone does? Sep 30 15:29:38 only one emu vs many phone versions Sep 30 15:29:39 sugardave: possibly because of country? Sep 30 15:29:46 weak Sep 30 15:30:20 not sure how to fix this if I can't get the same environment :( Sep 30 15:30:23 sugardave: because the phone was productized and localization tested and the emulator was likely not Sep 30 15:30:27 sugardave: still weak Sep 30 15:30:31 indeed Sep 30 15:30:55 sugardave: if the emu has a few straw english strings or accidentally says "f you" in Latvian, its not a big deal Sep 30 15:31:03 s/straw/stray/ Sep 30 15:31:07 ha, true Sep 30 15:31:30 sugardave: no problem ;) Sep 30 15:31:54 ah Sep 30 15:31:59 don't need UK English Sep 30 15:32:06 it's damn Netherlands formatting Sep 30 15:32:29 that's really messed up Sep 30 15:32:41 sugardave: what are you trying to fix? Sep 30 15:32:50 time is time, ms are ms, there is no reason the sort order should be different Sep 30 15:33:02 HattCzech_work: here is the requirement Sep 30 15:33:55 simple journal application, events are listed/grouped/divided by date descending (future first), then in each divider, untimed events should be shown first, followed by timed events ordered ascending Sep 30 15:35:04 oh shit Sep 30 15:35:07 I think I know why Sep 30 15:35:23 maybe, will have to test Sep 30 15:39:13 hmm, no that's not it...and it works correctly with Netherlands formatting on the emu Sep 30 15:39:17 erg Sep 30 15:42:12 puh, just added list persistance (with reordering and deleting) to my app :) Sep 30 15:43:09 sugardave: time strings vs timestamp in ms? Sep 30 15:43:15 I have some code where I'm saving/loading from a Depot, but when I close the app, the Depot appears to be gone when I restart. Is this supposed to work in the Emu? Sep 30 15:43:37 I have the replace: false option set Sep 30 15:43:39 yes it's supposed to work Sep 30 15:43:54 perhaps my loading code is broken Sep 30 15:44:02 perhaps Sep 30 15:44:14 perhaps cosmic rays are affecting my app Sep 30 15:44:22 did you look at the 101 stuff? Sep 30 15:44:38 I guess not, link? Sep 30 15:45:01 http://www.webos101.com Sep 30 15:45:17 search for prefs depot Sep 30 15:45:27 haeffb_pre: nice, thanks Sep 30 15:47:03 haeffb_pre: nah, just found it...apparently Mojo.Format.formatDate is not doing short dates correctly in Netherlands formatting...returning Invalid date as the output Sep 30 15:47:07 medium seems to fix it Sep 30 15:47:35 sugardave: you getting complaints from Holland? Sep 30 15:48:10 mfisch: my client is Dutch, so he kept telling me my shit was broken and I'm all "you're nuts, Dutch guy" but turns out he was right Sep 30 15:48:37 Holland has too many names Sep 30 15:48:54 and the people who live there should be called Hollandaisians Sep 30 15:49:15 he lives in Germany with an O2 Pre, has his language set to UK English, and his formats are Netherlands Sep 30 15:49:19 interesting use case Sep 30 15:49:30 * mfisch was in Germany for 3 hours last week Sep 30 15:49:40 enough time to have beer, sausage, and a pretzel Sep 30 15:49:56 did you get something to eat, too? har Sep 30 15:51:53 well before I left I had McDonalds too, it was already a long day and I'd missed 2 meals Sep 30 15:52:00 besides, I needed ice Sep 30 15:52:13 and pretty much the rest of the world doesn't yet have that technology Sep 30 15:53:20 haeffb_pre: well my get code was broken, thanks for confirming how it was supposed to behave Sep 30 15:53:22 yeah, ice in Europe is rare Sep 30 15:53:44 sugardave: I was in India actually Sep 30 15:53:54 brave soul Sep 30 15:53:58 did you get the plague? Sep 30 15:54:10 I got pretty sick on the plane coming back Sep 30 15:54:20 oh noes Sep 30 15:54:27 mfisch has the plague Sep 30 15:54:28 passed out in the plane bathroom, came to with my legs sticking out the door and the door swinging Sep 30 15:54:32 hi chuqui Sep 30 15:54:38 anybody test the new prefox??? Sep 30 15:54:42 * mfisch coughs on sugardave Sep 30 15:54:47 I like planes... Sep 30 15:54:49 ARGH! Sep 30 15:54:59 can you spread plague through irc? Sep 30 15:55:03 Although flying out of phoenix in a monsoon was.... interesting Sep 30 15:55:12 Bangalore to Frankfurt is about 9 hours Sep 30 15:55:16 Frankfurt to Denver is about 10 Sep 30 15:55:22 no planes for me for awhile Sep 30 15:55:24 haeffb_pre: not yet...just wait until we're all outfitted with neural network connections Sep 30 15:55:31 halfhalo: easier to fly in the plane Sep 30 15:55:43 next time I'm taking a cruise to get there Sep 30 15:55:49 heh Sep 30 15:56:20 I don't fly anymore unless I have to for my real job. TSA can __________ ___ ___________ Sep 30 15:56:38 dude, first class tsa is awesome Sep 30 15:56:55 there is nothing awesome about TSA Sep 30 15:57:00 zero awesomeness Sep 30 15:57:00 I love being molested by high school drop outs Sep 30 15:57:11 You cut through every since line and tsa is like "he coo Sep 30 15:57:34 Except for the kauai airport... but there is no first class anything there Sep 30 15:57:43 I wish I could fly 1st class Sep 30 15:57:46 I want to go back to Hawaii Sep 30 15:57:58 although why kauai has body scanners is beyond me... theres like 50k people there Sep 30 15:58:19 halfhalo: becuase TSA employees are voyeurs Sep 30 15:58:23 2 years+ will be our 15th wedding anniversary...maybe we can make it back to the big island Sep 30 15:58:45 sugardave: where is your "real job"? Sep 30 15:58:48 My dad's client let us use his time share at the marriot (former ritz carlton), so that was free Sep 30 15:59:06 mfisch: IBM, security education Sep 30 15:59:06 and then since my mother hates flying, my dad sprung for first class on hawaiian Sep 30 16:00:05 oh, security education as in "use a non retarded password" or security training like "How do you break into the storeroom, late at night, without being seen" Sep 30 16:00:39 I cannot imagine a more frustrating job Sep 30 16:00:47 hello is a great password! Sep 30 16:01:27 halfhalo: no, it's more like, "This is our new far-reaching and over-ambitious effort to make your enterprise life easier." I do identity and access management product training for our support teams, business partners, and customers Sep 30 16:01:37 awwwww Sep 30 16:01:40 I'd kill myself if I had to teach people about basic password security Sep 30 16:02:25 Do you get to say "going forward" alot when you talk to enterprise customers? Sep 30 16:02:37 I'd recommend saying it alot, it makes you look smart apparently Sep 30 16:03:22 sugardave: I work at the larger IT company also with a blue logo Sep 30 16:03:23 meh, I tend to do as little talking/presenting as I can get away with...the real meat in my classes is in the hands-on labs Sep 30 16:03:32 mfisch: ah, cool Sep 30 16:05:17 damn, who else besides hotdp is from the Netherlands? Sep 30 16:05:54 I'm trying to develop an app. Is there any way for me to show someone my code so that I can get some feed back? Sep 30 16:05:57 that one boy with the finger and the dyke? I don't know any other Dutch people Sep 30 16:06:13 ihaveaquestion: webos.pastebin.com Sep 30 16:06:28 for source code Sep 30 16:06:46 if you want someone to run it, you just find them and send them the ipk Sep 30 16:07:06 bbl Sep 30 16:07:15 thank you Sep 30 16:07:35 the problem is that now it doesn't run the way I want it to and I don't know where I am messing up Sep 30 16:15:08 chuqui: where do we post bug reports since the last forum shuffle? Sep 30 16:16:03 in the main topic areas. flag them in teh subject as [bug] Sep 30 16:17:29 chuqui: thanks Sep 30 16:23:30 morning everyone again Sep 30 16:23:47 hello chuqui Sep 30 16:23:59 hello LoneStar99 Sep 30 16:24:08 did your app get into $10,000 rank yet? Sep 30 16:33:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nds1T7U9FqY&feature=player_embedded Sep 30 16:35:39 hi ho Sep 30 16:50:44 Ok, I've been trying to find a solution for this. When I have this.something in assistant, how do I access it from my JS file? Sep 30 16:51:26 It doesn't matter what the name of the scene is etc. so we can suppose that I'd want to access the top scene and its this.something Sep 30 16:52:40 gah Sep 30 16:52:47 Found the answer my self now. Sep 30 16:53:13 Answer was topScene().assistant.. Sep 30 16:53:30 what if it isn't the top scene? Sep 30 16:56:22 sugardave: you mean if what I need to access isn't in top scene? Sep 30 16:57:15 right Sep 30 16:58:04 That doesn't really matter since I only check if the object has it or not :) Sep 30 16:58:18 I was sneaky in my question ;) Sep 30 16:58:25 yeah :P Sep 30 16:58:39 with my question? no? I need to learn English Sep 30 16:58:59 I understood what you meant :D Sep 30 16:59:07 I think either way is fine, actually Sep 30 16:59:15 :) Sep 30 16:59:32 Humm. I fail to find WebOS coding guidelines. Is there such a thing? Sep 30 17:00:06 hmmm, there are some UI guidelines, but as for coding, I think "whatever works" is the model we all tend to follow Sep 30 17:00:53 Ok :S Sep 30 17:04:51 a better way might b to pass a callback to the external.js Sep 30 17:07:30 haeffb_pre: yes, that's a better option. I just need to think about how I do it with this code. Perhaps a rewrite will solve. Sep 30 17:27:27 So... Anyone alive? Sep 30 17:27:50 sup Sep 30 17:28:01 i hate the freaking fact that everything on Android Documentation is deprecated Sep 30 17:28:01 Yoyoyooooo Sep 30 17:28:07 this is just BS Sep 30 17:28:19 Its a raidly evolving os. Sep 30 17:28:20 remove it from their freaking site if its deprecated Sep 30 17:28:23 Rapidly too Sep 30 17:28:32 that's what I hate about open source, freaking BS Sep 30 17:29:57 it deprecates stuff faster than microsoft Sep 30 17:30:07 Speaking of hate, puzzle paint is pretty cool Sep 30 17:31:08 Sugardave: i haz dr.peppers Sep 30 17:34:00 Nyceane: how many mobile platforms do you work on? I think that was you talking about S60 yesterday, no? Sep 30 17:43:23 dohtem, mostly iphone, android, webos and windows phone 7 Sep 30 17:43:46 i am from .net/javascript background, so other than iPhone, I got pretty good at learning other ones Sep 30 17:43:58 iPhone took a while, but now I can pretty much do whatever I want to do Sep 30 17:44:03 not bad. Sep 30 17:44:45 I am a full time C#/.net developer, I just do these on the side, I am not really making money from any mobile platforms other than Palm lol, and I dont even have a device =| Sep 30 17:44:55 heh Sep 30 17:45:12 that's why I like WebOS so much, I just feel bad I am making crappy apps =( Sep 30 17:45:16 Nyceane: palm docs are hardish Sep 30 17:45:42 in that they take some getting used to. It's a different problem than android being deprecated, but still Sep 30 17:45:58 I'm doing mine in my spare time too but damn.. you make me sound like I'm underachieving Sep 30 17:46:03 summatusmentis, most of the stuff from 1.0.0 still works Sep 30 17:46:16 on Android, the stuff showing on the website doesn't even work Sep 30 17:46:34 #android-dev is pretty active Sep 30 17:46:38 I won some Android award before, which got me to speak at TED about it, and they wanted to hire me as Android Advocate heh Sep 30 17:46:50 it is, I stole a lot of code from some of the open source projects there lol Sep 30 17:46:53 Google? Sep 30 17:46:57 yah Sep 30 17:47:14 I dont think I can take another full time job... =| Sep 30 17:47:14 webOS needs you! Sep 30 17:47:30 Nyceane: so you're well known and things Sep 30 17:47:33 I know, I havn't been making good apps for webos tho, other than Pickup Sports Sep 30 17:47:36 Nyceane: is that TED vid online? I wouldnt mind watching it Sep 30 17:47:37 * summatusmentis feels so inferior Sep 30 17:47:54 dohtem, nah, its only 3 minutes, I doubt they'd release it on the site Sep 30 17:48:14 I'll port it to youtube soon =) Sep 30 17:52:57 So sleepy e_e Sep 30 17:53:42 Decided to use sprint upgrade on android device. Sep 30 17:54:06 Palm has a lot of work to do to get some of these apps Sep 30 17:54:45 renegaid, i dont think apps are the problems Sep 30 17:54:54 Shazam is already looking into Palm Sep 30 17:55:00 how can you parse sql data that you get from using opendatabase()? Sep 30 17:55:10 I want shazaam for webos; Sep 30 17:55:17 !!! Sep 30 17:55:28 What is shasam Sep 30 17:55:36 Shazaak Sep 30 17:55:44 does anybody know? Sep 30 17:55:48 listening to music Sep 30 17:55:53 Got to get use to this on screen keypad Sep 30 17:56:13 Napster or rhapsody need to come to palm Sep 30 17:56:49 I can't wait for the mic api so we can get some voice command software up in da house what what Sep 30 17:57:08 and we can have I am T-Pain Sep 30 17:57:19 Oh snap yes Sep 30 17:57:57 You know that autotune algorithm was originally made to search for oil underwater in the sea Sep 30 17:58:07 hi all! Sep 30 17:58:15 True storey. Happened to jenP Sep 30 17:58:20 Story* Sep 30 17:58:27 in JenP, it's been a while, I bet you think about me everyday ;) Sep 30 17:58:27 oh? Sep 30 17:58:40 Lol?! Sep 30 17:58:41 omg Nyceane how did you know.... Sep 30 17:58:59 cuz I think about you every night ;) Sep 30 17:59:07 .... Sep 30 17:59:09 LOL...slick Sep 30 17:59:51 #getaroom? Sep 30 17:59:57 :P Sep 30 18:00:26 damn... my drawing physics are a little loose when working on 640x960 Sep 30 18:00:43 codeslaw_, you are 1 spot away, I think you can make it by tomorrow Sep 30 18:01:08 would be nice, but i'm not banking on it Sep 30 18:01:20 its going to suck being unsure for 1 month long audit period Sep 30 18:01:26 codeslaw: what u need more downloads? for what app? Sep 30 18:01:29 i already spent 5k on my ny trip Sep 30 18:01:32 songwave Sep 30 18:01:35 and looking forward for this money to pay it off lol Sep 30 18:01:39 5k??? Sep 30 18:02:00 ok will download songwave right noow Sep 30 18:02:03 yah, my friend's wedding Sep 30 18:02:09 ah Sep 30 18:02:19 I'll give you 2 more downloads around the verizon store near my work during lunch Sep 30 18:03:04 thanks Sep 30 18:03:51 codeslaw: got you 3 more Sep 30 18:04:20 awesome, thank you Sep 30 18:06:26 Codeslaw: I just told 10 of my closest friends to stay away from songwave like the plague. Hope that helps buddy Sep 30 18:06:31 tweeted and face booked Sep 30 18:06:33 LOL Sep 30 18:06:46 probably for the best... Sep 30 18:06:57 unless we get hit by a real plague and nobody believes you next time Sep 30 18:08:37 LOL Sep 30 18:08:37 The boy who cried plague Sep 30 18:11:29 codeslaw: pretty cool app! Sep 30 18:12:34 LoneStar99: thanks man Sep 30 18:13:00 when i;m done with paintr pro, i plan to blow songwave out into a more comprehensive music maker Sep 30 18:14:46 hey, do we have control over the center button on the sprint pre's Sep 30 18:14:59 i.e, can we make it act like a power button when the phone is off Sep 30 18:15:25 no Sep 30 18:15:28 dunivan: doubtful Sep 30 18:15:42 probably via internals Sep 30 18:15:43 codeslaw: great your paintr app rocks! Sep 30 18:15:54 palm seems to be pretty set on sandboxing apps to they can't mess with eachother Sep 30 18:15:57 you can't even share contacts Sep 30 18:16:08 thank you sir Sep 30 18:16:15 creationix: 2.0 is bringing some inter-app functionality Sep 30 18:16:20 via services Sep 30 18:16:26 codeslaw_ node ftw! Sep 30 18:16:34 yez Sep 30 18:16:56 that's right i read those articles on your blog last night Sep 30 18:17:04 ok laters time to go pick my latptop battery from office Sep 30 18:17:15 later LoneStar99 Sep 30 18:17:42 well dad's office, i aint got no office Sep 30 18:18:13 only a laptop, a whole lot of duct-tape =) Sep 30 18:19:04 Codeslaw: did you put the purple scarf in the nylon tube near that trash can yet? Sep 30 18:20:09 i uh... yes. Sep 30 18:20:31 is... is Anivrom|pre coming on to you? Sep 30 18:20:47 never sure really Sep 30 18:22:29 Its critical you complete those 3 steps in order to get an extra download bonus. Sep 30 18:30:14 ihaveaquestion: still here? Sep 30 18:31:48 morning chuqui Sep 30 18:44:51 Hi everybody Sep 30 18:48:53 hi Sep 30 18:49:03 heyo Sep 30 18:50:08 have to re-write my painting engine =( Sep 30 18:51:01 Rewriting it in C? Sep 30 18:51:29 nah, decided to keep it in js Sep 30 18:52:13 i meant i need to write a new algorithm for real-time smoothing Sep 30 18:52:47 Cool Sep 30 18:52:48 my weighted spring algorithm scales very poorly, and paintr pro now supports arbitrary canvas sizes Sep 30 18:53:36 going to experiment with quadratic beziers or something Sep 30 18:54:36 That sounds cool Sep 30 19:03:19 aw wtf, putki crashed my phone Sep 30 19:13:50 part 4 of my webos dev tutorial is almost done Sep 30 19:16:50 covering webview and list item reordering and deleting Sep 30 19:18:07 and list persistence (with cookies) Sep 30 19:19:55 Evning people Sep 30 19:20:02 evning Sep 30 19:20:25 swisstomcat did you get more offers :D = Sep 30 19:23:11 yeah Sep 30 19:23:17 one from salesforce.com Sep 30 19:23:25 hmm Sep 30 19:23:53 temptet? Sep 30 19:24:02 have to look at all the offers Sep 30 19:24:16 what kind of offers, job offers? Sep 30 19:24:32 I left my laptop unplugged for naplunch, so I've lost all my scroll :) Sep 30 19:24:43 naplunch? Sep 30 19:24:49 hah Sep 30 19:24:51 yeah, it's like a siesta Sep 30 19:24:53 what the heck is that? Sep 30 19:24:57 haha Sep 30 19:25:03 where you eat while you sleep? Sep 30 19:25:13 hehe Sep 30 19:25:16 eat then sleep or just sleep :D Sep 30 19:25:21 sugardave must be mexican Sep 30 19:25:21 :s Sep 30 19:25:25 hahahaha Sep 30 19:25:30 sugardave: yeah, job offers Sep 30 19:25:35 cool Sep 30 19:25:36 Is that part of the job description sugardave? :P Sep 30 19:25:47 "just quit my day-job .. i'll be avail. 01.01.2011 .. my interests include: webOS,Mobile,Linux,HTML5,CSS3,Javascript,PhoneGap,UX,node,CouchDB" Sep 30 19:26:05 hotdp: it's more of a bonus for working from home all the time Sep 30 19:26:12 swisstomcat: ooo, nice Sep 30 19:26:14 i see ;) Sep 30 19:27:35 also got invited to talk at the front-trends conference in poland :O Sep 30 19:27:37 I have learned i have to start using twitter the day i wonna change job. Sep 30 19:27:42 hehe Sep 30 19:28:26 yeah, an interesting tool for job search ... many RTs after i posted that i quit my day-job Sep 30 19:29:55 I'd have to get some more followers before trying something like that ;) Sep 30 19:30:25 i picked up around 30 more since going to jsconf.eu Sep 30 19:30:28 met many people there Sep 30 19:32:27 hallo metaview Sep 30 19:32:36 anyone want to take a quick look at my new tut? Sep 30 19:32:41 hi Sep 30 19:32:48 where is your tut? Sep 30 19:32:55 i have a draft Sep 30 19:33:00 i can send it via email Sep 30 19:33:16 Mandel had a downslope yesterday, nayone not downloaded it yet? Sep 30 19:33:35 cool, do it: metaview (at) web (dot) de Sep 30 19:33:55 swisstomcat: I would too :) Sep 30 19:33:58 I will Sep 30 19:34:09 i would need feedback ASAP Sep 30 19:34:26 before i submit :) Sep 30 19:34:34 maybe I can even give feedback this time Sep 30 19:34:39 heh Sep 30 19:34:54 when? Sep 30 19:37:02 sent Sep 30 19:38:48 got it Sep 30 19:39:02 what i don't understand: why should I use the webwidget? Sep 30 19:39:43 I could also just downlaod the site and put it into a div, or? Sep 30 19:40:16 hm, might be a bit more complicated as the webview, but one could even inject own stuff into it... Sep 30 19:43:05 i'm lazy Sep 30 19:43:15 that's why i'm using the webview Sep 30 19:45:46 I wonder what the splice function does Sep 30 19:46:53 nice tutorial Sep 30 19:47:13 The splice() method adds and/or removes elements to/from an array, and returns the removed element(s). Sep 30 19:47:21 MetaView: I think splice lets you stitch array pieces together Sep 30 19:47:24 oh Sep 30 19:47:25 that Sep 30 19:47:42 but you don't catch the removed element? Sep 30 19:47:50 hmm? Sep 30 19:48:05 you do 2 splices on reorder? Sep 30 19:48:18 yeah Sep 30 19:48:22 and I just wonder how it works... well, I guess it will :) Sep 30 20:16:26 that tutorial draft must have made everyone fall asleep ;) Sep 30 20:17:57 hmm Sep 30 20:17:58 Léo Apotheker Named CEO and President of HP Sep 30 20:20:18 codeslaw Sep 30 20:20:25 how many does songwave have? Sep 30 20:22:19 I'm not asleep Sep 30 20:22:41 sigh... gf managed to get this on her laptop - http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-security-tool Sep 30 20:23:28 my girlfriend uses a mac, I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that stuff for her Sep 30 20:23:36 ooh that's almost as bad as norton Sep 30 20:23:54 dohtem, you should dump her Sep 30 20:23:55 This is why I don't let family members have admin access Sep 30 20:24:02 lol techrush Sep 30 20:25:31 halfhalo: yup.. after that I enabled the guest accounts on my computers Sep 30 20:25:39 for her Sep 30 20:25:45 been debating moving the gf to ubuntu.. Sep 30 20:26:28 she hasn't managed to break xp yet though.. Sep 30 20:26:34 i'm very happy with ubuntu Sep 30 20:27:08 My entire family has macs now, but my brother also has a win 7 machine Sep 30 20:27:15 at home, at least Sep 30 20:27:18 I use debian unstable on my laptop, because I have versionitis Sep 30 20:28:16 debian unstable makes me cringe Sep 30 20:28:35 The only computer in my house that linux likes is my desktop, and thats not happening Sep 30 20:28:54 It hates the switchable graphics on my main laptop, and literally kills the battery on my old laptop Sep 30 20:29:35 I have one Mac computer: MacMini and I use it to watch DVDs Sep 30 20:29:38 "The operating system has deemed your battery unworthy. Terminating." Sep 30 20:29:43 has this been discussed yet... http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100930006863/en/L%C3%A9o-Apotheker-Named-CEO-President-HP ? Sep 30 20:29:59 The mac mini is a nice little computer Sep 30 20:30:01 swisstomcat mentioned it a few minutes ago, I just sat back down Sep 30 20:30:04 but the OS sucks Sep 30 20:30:14 Not for what I use it for! Sep 30 20:30:19 no mouse: the OS refuses to boot Sep 30 20:30:25 really? Sep 30 20:30:29 yes Sep 30 20:30:30 Thats.... wrong Sep 30 20:30:31 lol Sep 30 20:30:34 that's stupid Sep 30 20:30:45 I start mine up all the time with no mouse since its retarted and won't connect Sep 30 20:30:46 hahah... that can't possibly be true Sep 30 20:31:01 then i plug the mouse and put the DVD inside, the mouse pointer is in the top left corner and the menu of the DVD player is visible all the time Sep 30 20:31:13 next it will be if (mouseButtons > 1) {// fry motherboard} Sep 30 20:31:19 --> I have to move the mouse just for that, it really sucks Sep 30 20:31:28 move the mouse to the middle of the screen, it will dissapear in a few seconds Sep 30 20:31:49 hell, write an applescript to do it for you Sep 30 20:31:50 no, when I start without mouse it akss about a BT mouse and doesn't continue Sep 30 20:32:17 no, every other OS will put the mouse pointer in the center at start Sep 30 20:32:20 disable bluetooth? or do you need a kb for it Sep 30 20:32:37 mine remembers the last position of the mouse Sep 30 20:32:51 mine not Sep 30 20:33:12 that has to be the most unimportant feature ever Sep 30 20:33:47 for the use as an media player in the living room... Sep 30 20:33:57 they even sell it with a remote Sep 30 20:33:59 well, its sorta needed Sep 30 20:34:25 since if you only have a bt mouse.... how would you set it up the first time otherwise? Sep 30 20:34:37 and ejectingthe DVD also takes 4 or 5 klicks, stupid design Sep 30 20:34:46 I have no BT mouse Sep 30 20:34:57 I have a USB mouse and I would love to use it elsewhere Sep 30 20:35:01 Only one on a mac kb though Sep 30 20:35:08 buy a 10 dollar usb mouse? Sep 30 20:35:23 plug it in, break the lazer, your golden Sep 30 20:36:11 bbiab walking to class Sep 30 20:36:55 still stupid Sep 30 20:37:40 newsroom 1.5! Sep 30 20:38:38 anyone want a romanian psl54c 7.62x54r DMR rifle? Sep 30 20:39:04 i need monies Sep 30 20:39:32 write more apps Sep 30 20:39:58 or i could kidnap you and force you to be a code slave writing apps for me Sep 30 20:40:18 the only way to protect yourself was if you bought my rifle Sep 30 20:40:20 so you better buy it Sep 30 20:40:21 pass Sep 30 20:40:25 :P Sep 30 20:41:39 damn, i need to sell this thing Sep 30 20:46:13 awww.... hostname hasn't updated yet Sep 30 20:47:16 for non-accelerated transform, css scaling is decently smooth on the pre right now Sep 30 20:47:25 even on a big ass canvas tag Sep 30 20:48:43 it can only get better Sep 30 20:48:48 any feedback on my tut? Sep 30 20:48:52 before i submit it? Sep 30 20:48:55 link? Sep 30 20:49:51 whoa... already? I havent gotten through it yet Sep 30 20:50:31 heh Sep 30 20:50:39 i sent it out via email, codeslaw Sep 30 20:51:26 to the chosen ones! Sep 30 21:01:04 swisstomcat: my feedback: well done Sep 30 21:01:16 metaview: thank you :) Sep 30 21:02:57 goodn8 everyone Sep 30 21:08:08 hey, I just finished my js tutorial. It's not webos specific, but is for general understanding of JavaScript http://howtonode.org/object-graphs Sep 30 21:08:55 can someone tell me how to select all the entries in an sqlite db? Sep 30 21:08:58 and store them in an array? Sep 30 21:09:03 is this an easy task? :) Sep 30 21:09:37 SELECT * FROM table Sep 30 21:11:16 mbarvian: define easy Sep 30 21:11:19 mbarvian: from what code? Sep 30 21:11:35 sugardave: lol. is it doable? Sep 30 21:11:39 indeed Sep 30 21:11:39 creationix: mine? Sep 30 21:11:54 sugardave: could you help me then? :) Sep 30 21:12:12 mbarvian: http://bit.ly/MojoDB a good place to start Sep 30 21:16:00 good night Sep 30 21:16:07 night Sep 30 21:22:33 mbarvian: after chewing on that awhile, alexfner is the permiere Mojo db expert in the channel, followed closely by haeffb_pre Sep 30 21:22:43 sugardave: alright Sep 30 21:22:49 sugardave: thanks for the suggestion Sep 30 21:22:52 np Sep 30 21:23:38 mbarvian: pong Sep 30 21:23:42 keep it in the channel Sep 30 21:23:44 this gets logged Sep 30 21:23:51 so if others ever had a problem they could look at it in the future Sep 30 21:23:57 my evil plan is working! Sep 30 21:24:38 what have you done :^D ?!?! Sep 30 21:24:48 what is your evil plan, again? Sep 30 21:24:59 16:21 < sugardave> mbarvian: after chewing on that awhile, alexfner is the permiere Mojo db expert in the channel, followed closely by haeffb_pre Sep 30 21:25:14 where's the evil part? Sep 30 21:25:25 not really evil, just selfish Sep 30 21:37:33 dkirker! Sep 30 21:39:39 gonna go to a Mobile@Michigan meeting Sep 30 21:39:41 peace yo! Sep 30 21:39:42 hey Tibfib! Sep 30 21:39:55 dkirker: long time no see Sep 30 21:40:38 Tibfib: Yeah, I know. I went to Burning Man for a week, then school and work picked up. It has pretty much offset my webOS development. Sep 30 21:42:06 dkirker: sounds busy Sep 30 21:43:26 Tibfib: Yes, extremely. I have little time for much this quarter, beside school. Sep 30 22:02:17 so does anyone know what to do if I have a table called "cupcakes" and I want to retrieve all the entries in it and store them in an array called myArray? Sep 30 22:02:25 mbarvian: sorry if I'm sounding redundant Sep 30 22:06:31 * dohtem going to punch JSLint in the face! Sep 30 22:19:38 hi chuqui Sep 30 22:20:12 dohtem: JSLint doesn't have a face. punch it in the constructor. Sep 30 22:35:46 sugardave: var myDate = new Date().setHours(0,0,0,0); Sep 30 22:56:03 In my logs, I see "warning: indicated new content, but not active." What's that mean? Sep 30 22:58:29 ignore it, it spits that out in every app i've logged Sep 30 23:02:02 thanks Sep 30 23:07:12 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs683.snc4/62381_1561949282516_1048858191_1661953_7168886_n.jpg Sep 30 23:07:16 finished my bench :P Sep 30 23:07:22 first ever wood working project Sep 30 23:08:03 having 2 identical drills made it much easier (didnt have to switch from drill bit to driver :P) Sep 30 23:10:36 not bad. workbench? Sep 30 23:11:40 yerp Sep 30 23:12:12 ugh is there some sort of trick to get the location services running on the emulator? Sep 30 23:12:23 i've enabled them but i keep getting errorCode 6 Sep 30 23:12:43 i never had to enable anything Sep 30 23:13:01 it always spits out palm hq, unless you use luna-send to change it Sep 30 23:13:20 yeah...but this time i'm not even getting the palm hq Sep 30 23:16:51 nice bench Sep 30 23:16:56 hey JenP Sep 30 23:17:03 hi haeffb! Sep 30 23:18:42 wachoo working on? Sep 30 23:19:01 getting stupid gps reverse look up to work again.... Sep 30 23:25:34 what are you doing? Sep 30 23:25:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpJ1iPD5RQ Sep 30 23:31:40 waiting for PDK contest to end so I can update apps Sep 30 23:33:45 cool! Sep 30 23:34:52 haeffb: how long till it ends? Sep 30 23:36:58 Hmm - nowhere in the rules do I see a timezone for the "Only downloads made between 12:00 midnight, July 15, 2010, and 11:59 p.m., September 30, 2010, will be considered for the awards." Sep 30 23:37:38 PST is a safe bet Sep 30 23:37:44 anybody here ever mess with Sencha Touch and/or ExtJS? Sep 30 23:43:03 ooooooh chuqui Sep 30 23:49:13 funkatron: no, but I'm sitting next to the creators ;) Sep 30 23:49:30 creationix: I DEMAND ASSISTANCE Sep 30 23:50:40 lol Sep 30 23:51:11 creationix: ask them what I should use for displaying timelines of data. I'll be adding new data on refreshes, and it would be best if it dynmically rendered so I could get, say, 1000 rows in there Sep 30 23:52:15 I know nothing about ExtJS, so I'm not sure what to do/use Sep 30 23:53:43 creationix: and thank you 8D Sep 30 23:56:53 funkatron: "DataView bound to a store... 1000 rows sounds a bit aggressive tho. or a grouped list depends on what they are looking for" Sep 30 23:57:01 funkatron: have you tried #extjs Sep 30 23:57:05 or whatever the room is Sep 30 23:57:15 why would I try something that obvious? 8D Sep 30 23:57:18 I will, thanks 8) Sep 30 23:57:49 DataView gives me a good lead, thank you Oct 01 00:01:53 is there any sort of behind-the-scenes caching webOS does on apps that I'm not aware of? Oct 01 00:02:41 feels like my app is pulling data pretty quick... my scrim & spinner dont even show up Oct 01 00:12:22 6 more hours =P Oct 01 00:34:23 I am trying to create collapsable dividers and followed part of the code in the Style Matters example. There must be a detail I do not understand because when I click on the collapsable divider, I can see all elements from the div container even though I believe I shouldn't see them because the container height is 1px. What am I missing? Assistant: http://pastebin.com/ahGFK4cJ HTML: http://pastebin.com/tsUUxgMY divider.html: http: Oct 01 00:34:33 pre is on bones Oct 01 00:53:55 i'm trying to add a profile to a dev phone and it says i have to edit provision-assistant.js but when i attempt to save it says the file is read only Oct 01 00:54:12 how do i overcome that? i see i am already root Oct 01 00:54:42 is this a dev phone with the palm dev tool used on it? Oct 01 00:57:09 i used metadoctor and the devicetool to bypass activation Oct 01 01:40:14 fearphage: did you do mount / -o remount,rw ? Oct 01 01:40:30 the root filesystem is mounted as readonly by default Oct 01 01:40:45 to put it back in readonly mode when you're done, you can reboot or do mount / -o remount,ro Oct 01 02:12:53 can someone help me with a little sql problem? Oct 01 02:13:44 i have source code :) Oct 01 02:13:53 sorry, only big sql problems considered :( Oct 01 02:13:59 aww Oct 01 02:14:00 sucks Oct 01 02:14:10 i kid, i kid! Oct 01 02:14:14 lol i know Oct 01 02:14:16 *hope Oct 01 02:14:29 "little" makes it seem more enticing imo Oct 01 02:14:31 though i know nothing about sql Oct 01 02:14:47 that's ok Oct 01 02:14:51 i don't either Oct 01 02:15:01 mbarvian: what u need? Oct 01 02:15:33 LoneStar99: I have a table called "cupcakes", and I'm trying to retrieve all the entries from this table and put them in an array called "results" Oct 01 02:15:35 http://pastie.org/1192574 Oct 01 02:15:37 ^^ Oct 01 02:17:26 what is GO ? Oct 01 02:17:47 mbarvian: have not messed with sqlite / webos code =( Oct 01 02:18:11 LoneStar99: oh ok. thanks for your enthusiasm though Oct 01 02:18:25 I'm sure someone here c an help me Oct 01 02:18:43 i don't think go is right Oct 01 02:20:08 bpadalino: should I just remove it? :) Oct 01 02:20:33 yeah - forsure someone soon will help you with that Oct 01 02:20:50 mbarvian whats the name of your db? Oct 01 02:20:55 yeah i'd say remove it Oct 01 02:20:59 i do all my sql stuff off the cloud and just send out json to webos Oct 01 02:21:19 JenP: "ext: weightDB" Oct 01 02:21:45 k, and you made sure to load it in this assistants js Oct 01 02:22:10 JenP: yeah, i initialize it in the stage-assistant Oct 01 02:22:22 can you pastebin it? Oct 01 02:22:25 bpadalino: I remove it and nothing happens :( Oct 01 02:22:32 JenP: which part? :) Oct 01 02:22:39 nothing?! Oct 01 02:22:49 where you set up your db table and columns... Oct 01 02:22:54 bpadalino: Well, let me paste you the entire code Oct 01 02:23:17 i got it from a site: Oct 01 02:23:18 http://pastie.org/1192584 Oct 01 02:23:25 i'll give you a minute Oct 01 02:23:31 thanks for all your help Oct 01 02:23:32 only a minute? Oct 01 02:23:34 from webos? Oct 01 02:23:42 JenP: webos101 i think Oct 01 02:24:06 ah...you want sugardave i believe he wrote it...or maybe it was haeffb Oct 01 02:25:42 JenP: neither appear to be on right now :( Oct 01 02:26:09 kk...one sec honey's home Oct 01 02:26:16 JenP: no prob Oct 01 02:55:13 tell mbarvian he can't have a space in the db name: var databaseName = "ext: weightDB", **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 01 02:59:57 2010