**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 01 02:59:57 2010
Oct 01 03:04:32 <LoneStar99> haeffb: another texas team is getting killed
Oct 01 03:04:36 <LoneStar99> =(
Oct 01 03:04:49 <haeffb> yep, saw the last turnover
Oct 01 03:05:05 <LoneStar99> they where doing so well the first half
Oct 01 03:06:11 <LoneStar99> oh well
Oct 01 03:13:25 <sugardave> boo aggies
Oct 01 03:14:10 <JenP>  k back
Oct 01 03:14:14 <JenP> hi guys!
Oct 01 03:14:25 <sugardave> hi JenP
Oct 01 03:14:42 <JenP> sugardave hiya
Oct 01 03:16:10 <JenP> hey haeffb: all of a sudden the reverse look up started working...
Oct 01 03:16:46 <haeffb> well that's kinda scary
Oct 01 03:16:52 <JenP> i know huh
Oct 01 03:16:54 <haeffb> sugardave: did u see the date thing?
Oct 01 03:17:11 <LoneStar99> wow 34-35 now
Oct 01 03:17:13 <sugardave> I did, and that's neat...but there's still a bug in Mojo :D
Oct 01 03:17:39 <haeffb> and we all thank you for finding it for us... :)
Oct 01 03:17:42 <sugardave> heh
Oct 01 03:18:05 <sugardave> I want the aggies to lose
Oct 01 03:18:10 <sugardave> dammit
Oct 01 03:18:15 <haeffb> i want them both to lose
Oct 01 03:18:47 <LoneStar99> wow
Oct 01 03:19:25 <LoneStar99> i want the aggies to win =)
Oct 01 03:21:38 <JenP> hey haeffb do you ever get the "too many cards open" on multistage apps?
Oct 01 03:22:17 <haeffb> me and one of you will be disappointed
Oct 01 03:22:25 <JenP> lol
Oct 01 03:22:38 <haeffb> JenP: depends on what else is open
Oct 01 03:23:04 <JenP> but that's the thing nothing is...whenever i get a new txt or email...i get a too many cards
Oct 01 03:23:28 <haeffb> depends on what else has been open. or what is/was leaking memory
Oct 01 03:23:35 <haeffb> reboot and all is well
Oct 01 03:23:38 <JenP> ah...kk
Oct 01 03:24:43 <haeffb> off to bed. laters
Oct 01 03:24:52 <JenP> byes
Oct 01 03:26:37 <renegaid> i get too many cards all the time
Oct 01 03:26:41 <renegaid> such a pain
Oct 01 03:27:25 <JenP> very frustrating
Oct 01 03:30:50 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you won
Oct 01 03:33:33 <renegaid> so hot pdk ends tonight
Oct 01 03:35:45 <JenP> hmmm can't seem to get the resource monitor to work
Oct 01 03:41:29 <LoneStar99> hope codeslaw gets something
Oct 01 03:41:55 <LoneStar99> he builds very good apps
Oct 01 03:47:50 <renegaid> the competition didn't produce much. I am sure palm is disappointed
Oct 01 03:48:33 <renegaid> most of the top paid apps have been in the catalog for a while
Oct 01 03:50:27 <LoneStar99> i am sure, they do not care now, since HP
Oct 01 04:02:12 <Tibfib> haeffb: ping
Oct 01 04:02:53 <Pre101> Which memory setting do I want to use for setting requiredMemory in my PDK app?
Oct 01 04:03:01 <Pre101> rather, which memory measurement...
Oct 01 04:03:54 <Pre101> top shows VIRT 47368, RES: 27m  SHR: 16m
Oct 01 04:04:18 <Pre101> Not really sure which, if any of those, correspond to requiredMemory.
Oct 01 04:06:24 <Tibfib> anyone messed with db8 that wouldn't mind chatting a bit?
Oct 01 04:13:30 * Tibfib sighs
Oct 01 04:36:37 <LoneStar99> what about a db9
Oct 01 04:45:23 <Tibfib> that might be beneficial. Okay, anyone get it working that can answer ONE question?
Oct 01 04:57:43 * Tibfib goes to bed.
Oct 01 05:06:08 <aeidataworks> the "menu ui guidelines" page in the "developer library"
Oct 01 05:06:10 <aeidataworks> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1658&Itemid=26
Oct 01 05:06:18 <aeidataworks> has a pretty little example for the view menu
Oct 01 05:06:28 <aeidataworks> with just a dropdown list in the top right corner...
Oct 01 05:06:41 <aeidataworks> how the heck do you do that?
Oct 01 06:42:18 <hotdp> good morning
Oct 01 06:58:19 <Guest26401> I'm using the listWidget.   How I create a link   when you click on the link it pushes a scene.  I'm using the
Oct 01 06:58:52 <hotdp> Af link in the listWidget?
Oct 01 06:58:53 <Guest26401> Oops.  Let me say that again: I'm using the listWidget.   How do I create a link that pushes a scene
Oct 01 06:58:57 <hotdp> Or the listWidget?
Oct 01 06:59:20 <hotdp> when you push a listItem ?
Oct 01 06:59:26 <Guest26401> yes  that is correct
Oct 01 06:59:39 <hotdp> Do you use Ares?
Oct 01 06:59:48 <Guest26401> no
Oct 01 07:00:13 <hotdp> http://webos101.com/List <-- Read and follow that
Oct 01 07:00:18 <hotdp> Very good
Oct 01 07:00:19 <KGF2009> Assign the list to a tap handling function, and when that function is called, first check if event.item exists, and if it does, push the scene.
Oct 01 07:00:52 <Guest26401> thanks
Oct 01 07:01:09 <hotdp> There is a event triggered when you pres on a list item, then you can push the scene? And maybe check what item is pressed..
Oct 01 07:01:50 <KGF2009> My suggestion, if you want a different scene for each item, is for each list item have the data, but have another variable with the scene name.
Oct 01 07:02:05 <KGF2009> Then just call pushScene(event.item.scene);
Oct 01 07:02:12 <KGF2009> Ta-da.
Oct 01 07:03:26 <hotdp> KGF2009 what is the difference between that and what i said?
Oct 01 07:03:26 <Guest26401> thanks!  this is great advice.
Oct 01 07:03:29 <Guest26401> I"m testing it now
Oct 01 07:03:56 <KGF2009> None. Just further explanation.
Oct 01 07:04:22 <hotdp> good :P
Oct 01 07:04:29 <hotdp> ta-da
Oct 01 07:04:55 <KGF2009> I actually had to do just that in my world clock app, so I had a little more info to give. :)
Oct 01 07:06:03 <hotdp> how is the progress of the app?
Oct 01 07:08:49 <KGF2009> I'm putting it on hiatus for a time while I try something simpler for now. Well, probably not simpler, but I have more motivation to complete it.
Oct 01 07:09:26 <hotdp> hehehe
Oct 01 07:09:48 <KGF2009> It's a PHPBB3 forum reader.
Oct 01 07:10:15 <KGF2009> Basically, you put in the address of a PHPBB3 forum, and the app will parse the HTML and display it in a more mobile-friendly display.
Oct 01 07:27:51 <hotdp> i have seen some question about that
Oct 01 07:28:05 <hotdp> ajax.request i think i said
Oct 01 09:18:42 <warpdesign__> good morning
Oct 01 09:59:47 <teemu> Mornings
Oct 01 10:58:55 <LoneStar99> so excited
Oct 01 11:10:02 <mbarvian> can someone here help me with an sql problem? :)
Oct 01 11:14:15 <Famic> don't ask to ask, just ask :p
Oct 01 11:14:59 <mbarvian> ok thanks :)
Oct 01 11:16:02 <hotdp> LoneStar99 why?
Oct 01 11:19:42 <mbarvian> alright so I have a sqlite db with a table called "cupcakes".  I'm trying to retrieve all the entries from this table and put them in an array called "Results"
Oct 01 11:19:44 <mbarvian> http://pastie.org/1193143
Oct 01 11:19:50 <mbarvian> there's the code ^^
Oct 01 11:26:49 <LoneStar99> dude i am drunk
Oct 01 11:26:58 <hotdp> lol?
Oct 01 11:27:36 <LoneStar99> i am getting everything back
Oct 01 11:29:01 <LoneStar99> well not really anything back,
Oct 01 11:29:01 <hotdp> ?
Oct 01 11:29:06 <hotdp> back?
Oct 01 11:29:52 <LoneStar99> hotdp: yeah
Oct 01 11:30:40 <LoneStar99> was ready to die, but got life back
Oct 01 11:31:31 <mbarvian> that was odd
Oct 01 11:32:02 <hotdp> What are you getting back ?
Oct 01 11:32:06 <hotdp> Life?
Oct 01 11:44:18 <haeffb> mbarvian: what seems to be the problem?
Oct 01 11:44:32 <mbarvian> haeffb: does the code look alright?
Oct 01 11:45:20 <haeffb> as far as I can tell...
Oct 01 11:45:37 <haeffb> how are you calling the retrieveAllCupcakes function?
Oct 01 11:45:39 <mbarvian> haeffb: alright, well it doesn't seem to be returning an array
Oct 01 11:46:00 <mbarvian> haeffb: after I initalize it in the stage assistant
Oct 01 11:46:20 <haeffb> "how"
Oct 01 11:46:40 <mbarvian> cupcake.retrieveAllCupcakes(this.updateCurrentWeight.bind(this));
Oct 01 11:46:54 <mbarvian> ^^ in the activate method of the main-assistant.js, the first scene I launch
Oct 01 11:47:41 <haeffb> oh, one thing I noticed last night.... you have a space in the db name
Oct 01 11:47:46 <haeffb> "ext: ..."
Oct 01 11:47:51 <haeffb> get rid of the space
Oct 01 11:47:57 <mbarvian> alright
Oct 01 11:48:14 <mbarvian> unfortunately you caught me as I'm heading out
Oct 01 11:48:26 <haeffb> that happens
Oct 01 11:48:33 <mbarvian> if you have anything else to suggest, just pm them to me, and I'll look when I get back :)
Oct 01 11:48:34 <mbarvian> thanks :)
Oct 01 11:51:46 <BMyers> hi haeffb
Oct 01 11:52:00 <haeffb> 'mornin'
Oct 01 11:52:31 <BMyers> cupcakes for breakfast?
Oct 01 11:53:10 <haeffb> apparently
Oct 01 11:54:02 <haeffb> for the last day, he's been coming in here for like 10 to 30 minutes at a time, asking the same question, then leaving before he gets an answer
Oct 01 11:54:29 <haeffb> and how the hell can I pm him after he quits?
Oct 01 11:54:59 <BMyers> c'mon haeffb . i thought u were good.
Oct 01 11:55:29 <BMyers> just cause he's not here means you're not gonna answer him?
Oct 01 11:56:12 <haeffb> well, I tried last night: "<haeffb> tell mbarvian he can't have a space in the db name:  var databaseName = "ext: weightDB","
Oct 01 11:57:22 <BMyers> ah well
Oct 01 11:57:33 <BMyers> he'll get it t some point
Oct 01 11:57:40 <BMyers> or not
Oct 01 12:38:55 <hotdp> http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20368-hp-promises-dozens-of-webos-devices
Oct 01 12:39:35 <hotdp> old news :(
Oct 01 12:54:45 <teemu> Facebook app sucks
Oct 01 12:54:49 <teemu> imho
Oct 01 12:56:22 <funkatron> demand a new one!
Oct 01 12:56:35 * teemu demands
Oct 01 13:05:59 <hotdp> teemu if you don't like it. Create your own that are better? no one holds you back?
Oct 01 13:06:28 <teemu> I'm not that into to FB :P
Oct 01 13:07:35 * haeffb_pre likes the fb app
Oct 01 13:07:54 <teemu> There's only one I think..
Oct 01 13:08:33 * hotdp likes the fb app too
Oct 01 13:09:34 <teemu> I just useit
Oct 01 13:09:38 <haeffb_pre> we win 2-1
Oct 01 13:09:48 <teemu> I demand a recount
Oct 01 13:10:13 <haeffb_pre> ok
Oct 01 13:10:18 <haeffb_pre> 1
Oct 01 13:10:20 <haeffb_pre> 2
Oct 01 13:10:29 <haeffb_pre> we still win
Oct 01 13:10:43 * hotdp is witness
Oct 01 13:11:01 <haeffb_pre> 100% more votes than you got
Oct 01 13:12:11 <teemu> Unfair
Oct 01 13:13:06 <haeffb_pre> agreed
Oct 01 13:18:13 <solix> I keep seeing messages from my dropbox like '179 files have been deleted'.. they all seem to be there, but just wondering.. glitch in dropbox, or do we still have some people unfamiliar with the 'how-to' ;)
Oct 01 13:25:14 <fearphage> someone is unzipping a zip file in the dropbox and then someone is cleaning it up
Oct 01 13:25:26 <fearphage> you can see a log if you go to the dropbox website
Oct 01 14:59:11 <renegaid> check this survey out http://www.investorplace.com/investment-research/smartphones/another-major-leap-for-google-android-os-among-consumers.html
Oct 01 14:59:45 <sugardave> man, that is awesome
Oct 01 15:01:06 <BMyers> lov'n my evo
Oct 01 15:02:43 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre, haeffb: ping!
Oct 01 15:02:56 <haeffb_pre> Tibfib:
Oct 01 15:03:41 <BMyers> in defense of webos in the above survey, they lost no ground at all over the course of a year to the other pltforms
Oct 01 15:04:19 <sugardave> I'm still holding out
Oct 01 15:04:34 <summatusmentis> me too, I hope they announce a new phone
Oct 01 15:04:37 <summatusmentis> soon*
Oct 01 15:04:54 <sugardave> it's Oct 1...soon it will be time to find out if early rumors were true
Oct 01 15:04:57 <BMyers> yeah, it's called the slate and it has w7 on it
Oct 01 15:05:40 <sugardave> I'm waiting for Q1's tablet...that's the good one
Oct 01 15:06:01 <summatusmentis> sugardave: the Notion Ink Adam?
Oct 01 15:06:27 <BMyers> interesting note i read somewhere was that over 70% never leave the home
Oct 01 15:06:32 <sugardave> I don't think so....the HP Hurricane, perhaps?
Oct 01 15:06:38 <BMyers> (of tablets)
Oct 01 15:06:52 <summatusmentis> I would carry one, I spend a lot of time on campus
Oct 01 15:07:10 <sugardave> BMyers: I'd be there, because 99% of the time _I_ don't leave the home, either
Oct 01 15:07:14 <Tibfib> Anyone get db8 working? I have a quick question for you...
Oct 01 15:07:21 <BMyers> u dont count
Oct 01 15:07:33 <sugardave> Tibfib: not yet....finishing up a 1.4.5 app or two before I dig back in
Oct 01 15:08:04 <Tibfib> shucks, anyone else?
Oct 01 15:08:06 <sugardave> Tibfib: but if you get it dissected before I get a chance, you'll be a hero
Oct 01 15:08:24 <Tibfib> I can't get past the first step.
Oct 01 15:09:34 <codeslaw_> yee
Oct 01 15:10:07 <renegaid> i'll probably have another upgrade by the time a new phone comes out
Oct 01 15:10:20 <Tibfib> lemketron-away: ping ?
Oct 01 15:10:50 <sugardave> renegaid: why do you care about a new webOS phone?  it's dead/lost/[insert doomsday adjective here] already, right?
Oct 01 15:11:12 <renegaid> i like webos
Oct 01 15:11:20 <renegaid> just not the phone
Oct 01 15:11:24 <sugardave> get a printer
Oct 01 15:11:24 <Tibfib> oil: ping
Oct 01 15:11:33 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 01 15:11:43 <renegaid> probably on my 5th now
Oct 01 15:11:51 <codeslaw_> i'm going to go play angry birds on my printer
Oct 01 15:11:57 <codeslaw_> and print out all my best shots
Oct 01 15:12:13 <sugardave> flip books!
Oct 01 15:13:33 <Boopop> Anyone know of any good patches to change the bookmarks screen?
Oct 01 15:13:38 <Boopop> I'm really not a fan of the default one
Oct 01 15:13:47 <Boopop> it's great if you only have 5 bookmarks or something
Oct 01 15:13:49 <Boopop> =/
Oct 01 15:13:51 <JenP> good morning all!
Oct 01 15:13:58 <sugardave> hi JenP
Oct 01 15:14:03 <Boopop> Afternoon JenP ;)
Oct 01 15:14:09 <JenP> hi sugardave hi Boopop
Oct 01 15:16:40 <BMyers> hello
Oct 01 15:17:22 <codeslaw_> out of 10000 emails, i got 550 click throughs
Oct 01 15:18:49 <Tibfib> JenP: howdy
Oct 01 15:42:52 <Tibfib> okay, check out the 2.0 forums if you want to get db8 to work.
Oct 01 15:45:43 <sugardave> Overture!  Curtain!  Lights!
Oct 01 15:46:13 <halfhalo> Crap!  We blew a breaker!
Oct 01 15:47:02 <codeslaw_> uuugghhhh
Oct 01 15:47:08 <codeslaw_> i hate HTMLTidy
Oct 01 15:52:43 <sugardave> funkatron: I'm not the snarky dick, am I?
Oct 01 15:52:50 <funkatron> haha no
Oct 01 15:52:53 <sugardave> whew
Oct 01 15:52:57 <funkatron> *whew*
Oct 01 15:55:44 <dohtem|desk> fried rice for breakfast!
Oct 01 15:59:46 <HattCzech_work> (late) morning all
Oct 01 16:02:00 <HattCzech_work> anyone know how sms conversations are linked in the PalmDatabase.db3?
Oct 01 16:02:41 <HattCzech_work> i thought it would be a chatThreadId or something, but can't find anything like that
Oct 01 16:09:27 <HattCzech_work> found an answer if anyone cares: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File
Oct 01 17:06:32 <CTLAdvance> Hows HTML5 Video working in WebOS?
Oct 01 17:08:11 <CTLAdvance> Especially when you use it in an app
Oct 01 17:16:28 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: fine?  I haven't embedded any in an app, I just pass it off to the video player
Oct 01 17:16:42 <CTLAdvance> ah ok
Oct 01 17:16:47 <CTLAdvance> well ill have to give it a try
Oct 01 17:17:30 <JenP> has anyone been able to get the resource monitor working?
Oct 01 17:17:56 <sugardave> palm-worm?
Oct 01 17:18:06 <sugardave> I looked at it last year
Oct 01 17:18:12 <sugardave> I think it was "working"
Oct 01 17:18:34 <JenP> yeah i tried to run it and it never launches...just runs through the command line and stops
Oct 01 17:18:48 <sugardave> hmmm, that's no good
Oct 01 17:19:01 <JenP> i'm trying to narrow down why i'm getting so many too many card open errors
Oct 01 17:19:41 <sugardave> well, I just launched mine, so it still works...make sure your Java paths are correct, etc.
Oct 01 17:19:59 <JenP> what do you mean?
Oct 01 17:20:14 <sugardave> well, what OS are you using?
Oct 01 17:20:22 <JenP> win 7
Oct 01 17:20:32 <Amaranth> ah, I see your problem right there ;)
Oct 01 17:20:37 <sugardave> and you are running palm-worm from the command line?
Oct 01 17:20:43 <JenP> yes
Oct 01 17:21:11 <JenP> but i've also tried the bat file with the same results
Oct 01 17:21:36 <sugardave> your stuff is probably fine, but you can see what your path variables are by running 'set' from the command line (I think)
Oct 01 17:21:46 <JenP> kk
Oct 01 17:21:53 <sugardave> and it will put out a bunch of variables
Oct 01 17:22:15 <sugardave> make sure JAVA and/or JAVA_HOME and/or JAVA_CLASSPATH are listed and pointing to the right place
Oct 01 17:22:25 <JenP> kk
Oct 01 17:22:29 <sugardave> something like that :D
Oct 01 17:22:33 <Wolvenhaven> YAY
Oct 01 17:22:39 <Wolvenhaven> i finally has a job
Oct 01 17:22:39 <sugardave> set may be incorrect, I don't remember what it is in win
Oct 01 17:22:42 <Wolvenhaven> i start next week
Oct 01 17:22:56 <JenP> congrats Wolvenhaven!
Oct 01 17:23:02 <Wolvenhaven> only took 2 months
Oct 01 17:23:02 <sugardave> jobs are good
Oct 01 17:23:05 <Wolvenhaven> fucking HR department
Oct 01 17:23:21 <CTLAdvance> that saying is terms to report you to HR
Oct 01 17:23:21 <Amaranth> \
Oct 01 17:23:58 <Wolvenhaven> they sat on my paperwork for 2 months
Oct 01 17:24:03 <Wolvenhaven> when i got the job in the interview
Oct 01 17:24:13 <Wolvenhaven> i know the gubment is slow
Oct 01 17:24:15 <Wolvenhaven> but really...
Oct 01 17:24:22 <sugardave> my heap size looks like a sawtooth
Oct 01 17:25:03 <CTLAdvance> my sawtooth looks infected
Oct 01 17:25:42 <CTLAdvance> hmm, I think my network performance in my app will be better if invoke a network connection
Oct 01 17:25:44 <CTLAdvance> wow
Oct 01 17:25:50 <sugardave> ha
Oct 01 17:26:26 <CTLAdvance> what I do know is that its not required, however it is really slow if you dont
Oct 01 17:26:33 <CTLAdvance> after what seems to be the initial load
Oct 01 17:26:49 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: can you explain?
Oct 01 17:27:57 <CTLAdvance> I have some ajax requests that pull information from a server, and it works fine if I dont invoke a network connection in my app
Oct 01 17:28:20 <CTLAdvance> until the connection goes dorman
Oct 01 17:28:21 <CTLAdvance> t
Oct 01 17:28:27 <CTLAdvance> at least thats how this seems to be working
Oct 01 17:28:43 <JenP> CLASSPATH=.;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\ext\QTJava.zip
Oct 01 17:28:43 <JenP> QTJAVA=C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\ext\QTJava.zip
Oct 01 17:28:54 <JenP> sugardave that's all i have in set for java
Oct 01 17:28:56 <CTLAdvance> JenP 64bit windows?
Oct 01 17:29:08 <sugardave> JenP: I think you're missing some
Oct 01 17:29:32 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: what I mean is, explain 'invokink a network connection'
Oct 01 17:29:38 <JenP> no i believe its 32
Oct 01 17:29:49 <CTLAdvance> ah ok
Oct 01 17:29:53 <sugardave> JenP: that's weird...your emu works?
Oct 01 17:30:04 <CTLAdvance> let me see the call
Oct 01 17:30:07 <JenP> yup works great
Oct 01 17:30:29 <sugardave> JenP: what if you open a command prompt and run: palm-emulator
Oct 01 17:31:02 <JenP> launches the emulator
Oct 01 17:31:14 <CTLAdvance> sugardave actually I completely dont know what I am talking about
Oct 01 17:31:18 <sugardave> JenP: interesting...well, not sure why worm isn't working :D
Oct 01 17:31:33 <CTLAdvance> looks like its my router
Oct 01 17:31:38 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: dammit, I was hoping you were about to tell me something awesome that I can use :D
Oct 01 17:31:39 <CTLAdvance> I was talking about 'palm://com.palm.connectionmanager
Oct 01 17:31:44 <sugardave> ah
Oct 01 17:31:45 <sugardave> okay
Oct 01 17:31:46 <CTLAdvance> calling a service request
Oct 01 17:31:53 <CTLAdvance> lol
Oct 01 17:32:32 <sugardave> now I need to figure out why I have this open service request being held in my app
Oct 01 17:32:34 <JenP> sugardave to call it i just palm-worm app.id right?
Oct 01 17:33:07 <sugardave> I just run it: palm-worm, and then when it launches, you can tell it to track a particular app.id
Oct 01 17:34:56 <JenP> yeah didn't work for me http://pastebin.com/Pxby9bs2
Oct 01 17:35:06 <JenP> this is all that shows up in command line
Oct 01 17:36:05 <sugardave> god I hate java errors
Oct 01 17:36:32 <sugardave> wth is QTJava anyway?
Oct 01 17:37:04 <sugardave> maybe you need to uninstall it and re-install Sun's Java?
Oct 01 17:37:20 <JenP> could be i'll do that. thanks sugardave
Oct 01 17:37:28 <JenP> i've got to go run errands bbl
Oct 01 17:37:31 <sugardave> ciao
Oct 01 17:42:53 <Nyceane> hey is it over?
Oct 01 17:43:14 <Nyceane> @chuqui, is the palm hot apps over?
Oct 01 17:43:30 <Nyceane> it shows up as - 1 day and -13 hours =/
Oct 01 17:43:35 <Nyceane> and codeslaw, =(
Oct 01 17:45:34 <CTLAdvance> looks like chuqui is not on
Oct 01 17:46:53 <teemu> hello hello and so on
Oct 01 17:47:23 <sugardave> hmm, I use connection manager to check if internet is available, but I don't subscribe to it....yet it still holds open the service handle?
Oct 01 17:47:28 <sugardave> that sucks
Oct 01 17:49:28 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: did you by chance put that scanner app I sent you on a Pixi?
Oct 01 17:50:24 <sugardave> follow-on question: and if yes, did it work?
Oct 01 17:55:40 <haeffb_pre> no to #1
Oct 01 18:03:29 <CTLAdvance|2> ok router should be fixed now
Oct 01 18:25:53 <swisstomcat> evening
Oct 01 18:31:47 <codeslaw_> ended in 21st place
Oct 01 18:31:51 <codeslaw_> sigh
Oct 01 18:37:04 <Anivrom|pre> I just got an email from the palm developer relations team with an attached xml spreadsheet which requires filling out after which I will receive my *free!* dev device. Oh schnapps
Oct 01 18:37:16 <CTLAdvance|2> same
Oct 01 18:37:25 <Anivrom|pre> Nooooice
Oct 01 18:37:28 <dohtem> Anivrom|pre: It's a trap!
Oct 01 18:37:38 <Anivrom|pre> I think I migt get a pixi.
Oct 01 18:37:51 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I just got the same
Oct 01 18:37:55 <Anivrom|pre> For testing purposes.
Oct 01 18:38:19 <dohtem> Anivrom|pre: do you have to have an app in the catalog already?
Oct 01 18:38:31 <Anivrom|pre> Nope.
Oct 01 18:39:13 <Anivrom|pre> I don't think it's mandatory thoug
Oct 01 18:40:20 <dohtem> is there a choice of a GSM device?
Oct 01 18:40:29 <Anivrom|pre> Hmm is there any way to turn off webos's native filterkeys? Its really annoying cause it won't register gh half rhe time since I type so blazingly fast :O
Oct 01 18:40:31 <Tibfib> Oh noes!
Oct 01 18:40:33 <Tibfib> I didn't get one
Oct 01 18:40:35 <dohtem> an unlocked GSM pre or pixi would make testing so much easier
Oct 01 18:40:45 <Tibfib> what did you guys say in your email?
Oct 01 18:40:51 <dohtem> I can get a prepaid sim and pay for service as needed
Oct 01 18:40:52 <Tibfib> and when did you email?
Oct 01 18:41:07 <swisstomcat> xml spreadsheet?
Oct 01 18:41:11 <Anivrom|pre> I basically asked if I qualified forthe free dev device like a week ago
Oct 01 18:41:35 <Anivrom|pre> It was in the developer newsletter....
Oct 01 18:41:43 <Anivrom|pre> That was the "memo% so to speak
Oct 01 18:41:49 <Tibfib> I sent an email 9/28
Oct 01 18:41:50 <dohtem> I got the news letter but I never bothered :(
Oct 01 18:41:51 <Anivrom|pre> "*
Oct 01 18:42:12 * Tibfib hopes for a dev device
Oct 01 18:42:19 <Anivrom|pre> Tibfib: too early
Oct 01 18:42:36 <Tibfib> Anivrom|pre: like it hasn't been long enough
Oct 01 18:42:51 <Tibfib> ?
Oct 01 18:42:58 <Anivrom|pre> Maybe the promoion hadn't started yet
Oct 01 18:43:17 <dohtem> Anivrom|pre: what are the choices?  Just VZW Pre+ or VZW Pixi+
Oct 01 18:44:17 <Anivrom|pre> Just pre or pixi. I have a third choice C40 with webos 2.0 preinstalled but it says here not to tell anyone.
Oct 01 18:44:29 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 01 18:45:07 <dohtem> lol
Oct 01 18:45:13 <Anivrom|pre> It says in fine print "from your best friend, chuqui"
Oct 01 18:45:23 <Anivrom|pre> Aww thanks chuq
Oct 01 18:45:31 <Tibfib> but you just blew it
Oct 01 18:45:36 <Tibfib> no c40 for you
Oct 01 18:45:43 <Anivrom|pre> :(
Oct 01 18:46:01 <Anivrom|pre> I can stil haz c40z?
Oct 01 18:46:04 <dohtem> I can see HP releasing that as the final name.
Oct 01 18:46:08 <dohtem> HP C40
Oct 01 18:46:17 <dohtem> sounds like a calculator
Oct 01 18:46:21 <Anivrom|pre> Mhmmmmmm
Oct 01 18:47:37 <Anivrom|pre> Isn't that esentially what a computer is... Though, a miniaturized complex calculator, with vexed fouls flying about inside
Oct 01 18:48:03 <Anivrom|pre> Uhhh -though
Oct 01 18:48:41 <Tibfib> stupid ndas. I need to ask questions >.<
Oct 01 18:48:57 <Anivrom|pre> I love how the euopeans pronounce birds. Boo-errrds
Oct 01 18:49:33 * dohtem holds a revolver to Tibfib's head
Oct 01 18:49:47 <Anivrom|pre> Lol
Oct 01 18:49:56 <CTLAdvance> gasp, trhey dont offer an unlocked device
Oct 01 18:50:02 <Tibfib> once, again, I'll ask this one: Anyone figure out db8?
Oct 01 18:50:23 <swisstomcat> not yet
Oct 01 18:50:34 <Anivrom|pre> Meh I'll pay the marginal fee to get it unlocked.
Oct 01 18:50:43 <Tibfib> I get it except for one thing.
Oct 01 18:51:09 <Anivrom|pre> Tibfib: just talk in pm if yiu MUST ask
Oct 01 18:51:29 <Tibfib> yeah, but I don't know who knows the answer...
Oct 01 18:51:47 * Tibfib was planning on PM
Oct 01 18:51:50 <Anivrom|pre> Chuqui will know ;)
Oct 01 18:55:15 <Anivrom|pre> I swear if the world ever freezes over I'll hold my phone and I'll survive. It runs so hot
Oct 01 18:57:03 <pcworld> Hello, how do I get a new model of a list? Because users can add, remove and reorders items in my list and after tapping on a button I want to know what items are in the list. Thanks!
Oct 01 18:57:48 <haeffb_pre> 'till your battery dies. Then you're screwed like the rest of us.
Oct 01 18:58:03 <Tibfib> pcworld: just get the model object.
Oct 01 18:58:15 <pcworld> and how?
Oct 01 18:58:29 <Tibfib> sucha as this.model.items;
Oct 01 18:58:38 <Tibfib> pcworld: what's your list model's name?
Oct 01 18:58:43 <Anivrom|pre> Model.getObject();
Oct 01 18:58:48 <Anivrom|pre> :P
Oct 01 18:58:54 <Tibfib> ignore Anivrom|pre
Oct 01 18:59:02 <Tibfib> :P
Oct 01 18:59:34 <swisstomcat> pcworld: you update the model on reorder or delete
Oct 01 18:59:42 <swisstomcat> in the handlers for those actions
Oct 01 18:59:53 <Anivrom|pre> Actually getObject() is deprecated. Its model.getObjectLiakNao();
Oct 01 18:59:57 <swisstomcat> that's how i did it
Oct 01 19:00:10 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: he wants it on a button click, I think
Oct 01 19:00:19 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 01 19:00:21 <Tibfib> sooooooo just get the variable.
Oct 01 19:00:40 <pcworld> "you update the model on reorder or delete" - thanks, I'll try this
Oct 01 19:01:00 <Tibfib> ...
Oct 01 19:01:05 * Tibfib must not understand the question
Oct 01 19:01:13 <Anivrom|pre> Pcworld: I'm getting the code 1 min
Oct 01 19:01:15 <haeffb_pre> me too
Oct 01 19:01:34 <swisstomcat> haeffb: you can see the code in my tutorial i sent you
Oct 01 19:01:36 <haeffb_pre> link to swisstom's tuts?
Oct 01 19:01:45 <swisstomcat> yeah, but it's not up yet
Oct 01 19:02:07 <pcworld> why the model does not get updated automatically?
Oct 01 19:02:08 <Anivrom|pre> var tempElement = game.inventoryItems.snacks.splice(event.fromIndex,1);
Oct 01 19:02:13 <Tibfib> pcworld: it does
Oct 01 19:02:27 <Anivrom|pre> That's how I do it. Substitutw your own lists in
Oct 01 19:02:31 <haeffb_pre> Tibfib: it does not.
Oct 01 19:02:41 <swisstomcat> sound about right
Oct 01 19:02:42 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre: whaaa, it doesn't?
Oct 01 19:02:52 <pcworld> yes, it doesn't... :)
Oct 01 19:02:52 <Anivrom|pre> It doesn't update on reorder
Oct 01 19:03:09 <Tibfib> oh, on reorder, it might not. but new items it should... right?
Oct 01 19:03:18 <haeffb_pre> nope, you have to change the order on reorder & remove on delete
Oct 01 19:03:21 <Anivrom|pre> pcworld: just use that snippet but sub your own list in
Oct 01 19:03:26 <VPBree> Is there an irc app? :o
Oct 01 19:03:28 <haeffb_pre> new items, no
Oct 01 19:03:34 <haeffb_pre> wirc
Oct 01 19:03:38 <VPBree> ty
Oct 01 19:03:43 <Tibfib> list widgets are dumb.
Oct 01 19:03:55 <swisstomcat> VPBree: wIRC :)
Oct 01 19:03:59 <Anivrom|pre> WIRC is better than most desktop irc clients
Oct 01 19:04:05 <halfhalo> lies
Oct 01 19:04:25 <Tibfib> I think all listTap/reorder/delete properties pass the list model... so event.model MIGHT be the updated model.
Oct 01 19:04:36 <Anivrom|pre> We had a child and the childs name was awesome
Oct 01 19:04:53 <Tibfib> err, when you listen to those events, they pass the list model
Oct 01 19:04:59 <Anivrom|pre> Tibfib, they do so you can edit them, they don't edit themselves thoug kol
Oct 01 19:05:02 <VPBree> wirc for my phone?
Oct 01 19:05:08 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 01 19:05:09 <Anivrom|pre> Yes.
Oct 01 19:05:14 <swisstomcat> it's awesome
Oct 01 19:05:15 <Tibfib> Anivrom|pre: lame sauce
Oct 01 19:05:16 <Anivrom|pre> Its in preware vpbree
Oct 01 19:05:17 <VPBree> You guys are awesome.
Oct 01 19:05:23 <haeffb_pre> if your phone is a pre or pixi
Oct 01 19:05:27 <VPBree> pixi
Oct 01 19:05:40 <Anivrom|pre> Lol... Important clarification I suppose
Oct 01 19:05:54 * haeffb_pre assumes it wircs on pixi
Oct 01 19:05:56 <VPBree> :D
Oct 01 19:06:11 <Anivrom|pre> ::D
Oct 01 19:06:25 <VPBree> :::D
Oct 01 19:06:43 <pcworld> "var tempElement = game.inventoryItems.snacks.splice(event.fromIndex,1);" - is this code for the Mojo.Event.listReorder event?
Oct 01 19:06:46 <Anivrom|pre> ::::D
Oct 01 19:06:46 <haeffb_pre> does 101 list stuff show add, delete & reorder?
Oct 01 19:07:00 <Anivrom|pre> pcworld: yes
Oct 01 19:07:27 <Anivrom|pre> But....
Oct 01 19:07:35 <haeffb_pre> it's missing another splice
Oct 01 19:07:42 <Anivrom|pre> I just realized its faulty code.
Oct 01 19:07:52 <swisstomcat> for me, reorder is the following:
Oct 01 19:07:54 <swisstomcat>   this.myListModel.items.splice(event.fromIndex, 1);
Oct 01 19:07:54 <swisstomcat>   this.myListModel.items.splice(event.toIndex, 0, event.item);
Oct 01 19:08:05 <Anivrom|pre> It won't work for your app. Its specific to the way I use lists in my app
Oct 01 19:08:09 <swisstomcat> and delete
Oct 01 19:08:10 <swisstomcat>   this.myListModel.items.splice(this.myListModel.items.indexOf(event.item), 1);
Oct 01 19:08:38 <Anivrom|pre> There you go
Oct 01 19:08:55 <Anivrom|pre> I pasted the code without reading it lol
Oct 01 19:09:01 <VPBree> wait. noob pixi. wirc download through app store or website
Oct 01 19:09:03 <VPBree> or just use on site
Oct 01 19:09:17 <Anivrom|pre> VPBree: use preware..
Oct 01 19:09:20 <haeffb_pre> preware
Oct 01 19:09:23 <VPBree> What is that. :3
Oct 01 19:09:45 <Anivrom|pre> Instal.preware.org
Oct 01 19:09:46 <swisstomcat> wirc is a homebrew app
Oct 01 19:09:46 <Anivrom|pre> Uhhh,
Oct 01 19:09:46 <haeffb_pre> google?
Oct 01 19:09:47 <Anivrom|pre> instal.preware.org
Oct 01 19:09:49 <VPBree> ty. will check it out later tonight after work. you guys are amazing already
Oct 01 19:09:51 <Anivrom|pre> Wtf
Oct 01 19:09:52 <haeffb_pre> install.preware.org?
Oct 01 19:09:53 <swisstomcat> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware
Oct 01 19:09:58 <Anivrom|pre> Ty!
Oct 01 19:10:31 <VPBree> oh god, not somethingi an do in two seconds. will do tongiht. already gave me a lot of information, thanks so much
Oct 01 19:11:14 <Anivrom|pre> Ok so I found out there is a large number of the population that have a fart fetish.... Pretty whacked..
Oct 01 19:11:38 <Anivrom|pre> Anywho, OT anyone? So how bout dem mojos
Oct 01 19:12:45 <pcworld> and how do I update my model on adding items to a list? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1921&Itemid=298 says that on Mojo.Event.listAdd there are no parameters given...
Oct 01 19:12:50 <torchie> eyote
Oct 01 19:13:27 <haeffb_pre> .push() to the model.items array
Oct 01 19:13:45 <Anivrom|pre> And then modelChanged()
Oct 01 19:14:08 <haeffb_pre> typically you would launch a new scene to gather input for the list item
Oct 01 19:14:09 <swisstomcat> yeah, since event.item is passed to the listAdd handler
Oct 01 19:17:01 <Anivrom|pre> pcworld: see above.
Oct 01 19:17:36 <Anivrom|pre> Afternoon dirka
Oct 01 19:18:03 <Anivrom|pre> Dkirker: Have you made progress on voip for webos?
Oct 01 19:18:19 <dkirker> Anivrom|pre: Sadly, I have not had time in the last few months. :(
Oct 01 19:19:16 <Anivrom|pre> dkirker: isn't the mic api opened/opening up? That would help immensely
Oct 01 19:19:32 <dkirker> I believe that there is something like that in 2.0
Oct 01 19:19:49 <dkirker> though, the emulator is the only thing that exists for 2.0
Oct 01 19:19:55 <dkirker> to my knowledge
Oct 01 19:19:56 <Anivrom|pre> Should have shaazam in no time
Oct 01 19:20:28 <Anivrom|pre> Yes...<_< lets keep people believing that *wink*
Oct 01 19:20:51 <pcworld> on Mojo.Event.listReorder I update the model with "this.fileListModel.items.splice(event.toIndex, 0, event.item);". Before updating the model has the items "abc.jpg" and "xyz.jpg". After changing the order of these two items the model shows "xyz.jpg", "abc.jpg", "xyz.jpg"
Oct 01 19:21:03 * Anivrom|pre starts restacking his cards
Oct 01 19:22:19 <Anivrom|pre> pcworld: you need to splice the item out, then put it back in
Oct 01 19:22:21 <swisstomcat> it should be the following, pcworld
Oct 01 19:22:23 <swisstomcat> (09:06:51 PM) swisstomcat:   this.myListModel.items.splice(event.fromIndex, 1);
Oct 01 19:22:23 <swisstomcat> (09:06:51 PM) swisstomcat:   this.myListModel.items.splice(event.toIndex, 0, event.item);
Oct 01 19:23:03 <Anivrom|pre> pcworld: see above. 2 lines of code
Oct 01 19:24:17 <pcworld> sorry I miss this, thank you
Oct 01 19:27:28 <Anivrom|pre> Its funny how they don't automatically update the model on these events but I guess its for flexibility?
Oct 01 19:29:20 <pcworld> thank you all, it's working now
Oct 01 19:29:50 <torchie> so what's the emulator like
Oct 01 19:30:01 <torchie> or is that NDA
Oct 01 19:30:36 <MetaView> hiho
Oct 01 19:30:47 <haeffb_pre> if there were a 2.0 emulator, it would be under NDA
Oct 01 19:31:00 <torchie> well then let's hope there's lots of
Oct 01 19:31:01 <torchie> good
Oct 01 19:31:02 <torchie> stuff
Oct 01 19:31:17 <haeffb_pre> although I hear there were some leaked screenshots and such
Oct 01 19:31:38 <torchie> yeah there's plents of those
Oct 01 19:32:50 <summatusmentis> I think I saw a leaked 2.0 emulator walk-through
Oct 01 19:33:45 <torchie> walk-through?
Oct 01 19:33:51 <torchie> video?
Oct 01 19:33:56 <summatusmentis> yeah, like a video walk-through
Oct 01 19:34:01 <summatusmentis> lemme see if I can find it
Oct 01 19:34:02 <torchie> was it the one with the strange aspect ratio
Oct 01 19:34:40 <summatusmentis> yes, I think so, http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/palm-webos-2-0-preview-video-hits-the-wilds/ is what I saw
Oct 01 19:34:53 <dohtem> my eyes!
Oct 01 19:35:44 <swisstomcat> the burn!
Oct 01 19:35:46 <swisstomcat> hi metaview
Oct 01 19:36:13 <summatusmentis> just sayin'
Oct 01 19:36:16 <dohtem> hey in that vid, there is a errorDialog that doesn't say "Error" in the heading.  Can we do that with 1.4.x ?
Oct 01 19:36:44 <dohtem> an errorDialog*
Oct 01 19:37:09 <swisstomcat> i thought so
Oct 01 19:40:27 <swisstomcat> i'm going to poland to speak about webos at the front-trends conference (www.front-trends.com) .. what am i going to tell them? :)
Oct 01 19:40:55 <MetaView> haeffb_pre: Fling is yours?
Oct 01 19:41:10 <haeffb_pre> nope
Oct 01 19:41:21 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=8935&p=42140#p42140 you all should agree with me.
Oct 01 19:41:42 <Tibfib> ignore the link, if you can't see the topic >.<
Oct 01 19:42:12 <MetaView> haeffb_pre: right, it was alexfner
Oct 01 19:42:16 <MetaView> IIRC
Oct 01 19:44:32 <dohtem> lol Tibfib.  teasing non 2.0 folks
Oct 01 19:44:57 <Tibfib> I need some backup here!
Oct 01 19:47:55 <MetaView> hi, 640kb is enough
Oct 01 19:51:20 <Anivrom|pre> swisstomcat: that's great. Tell them they should get it. And when they ask why say "cause its the best os" "its got the bigger gb's"
Oct 01 19:51:36 <Anivrom|pre> And its got*
Oct 01 19:51:47 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 01 19:52:17 <Anivrom|pre> Or just hold up a sign that says "true mutitasking. I win"
Oct 01 19:52:53 <mfisch> what is the "proper" way to make my application block until preferences are loaded from the depot?
Oct 01 19:53:01 <mfisch> or should I just use a different storage method
Oct 01 19:53:15 <Anivrom|pre> Depot is fine.
Oct 01 19:53:28 <Anivrom|pre> Just use the callbacks as the trigger
Oct 01 19:54:04 <mfisch> so loadPrefs() in my setup() routine and then have the onSuccess() method continue the app?
Oct 01 19:54:09 <Tibfib> yep!
Oct 01 19:54:10 <Anivrom|pre> At the start of the db opening show a loading indicator and at the ebd of your onsuccess function hide it or w/e you want to do
Oct 01 19:54:46 <swisstomcat> javascript is non-blocking by default .. DO NOT BLOCK
Oct 01 19:55:13 <summatusmentis> javascript is non-blocking? that's... irritating
Oct 01 19:55:14 <swisstomcat> douglas crockford said
Oct 01 19:55:22 <haeffb_pre> do the pushScene in the success callback
Oct 01 19:55:22 <mfisch> sleep(50)
Oct 01 19:55:30 <swisstomcat> that's one of it's strength, summatusmentis
Oct 01 19:55:35 <mfisch> sleep solves all problems ;)
Oct 01 19:55:40 <Anivrom|pre> Haha
Oct 01 19:55:50 <summatusmentis> mfisch: my virgin ears!
Oct 01 19:55:51 <mfisch> the CPU gets tired and performs better after a rest
Oct 01 19:55:58 <summatusmentis> swisstomcat: I'm fairly new to this, I don't know that much about it
Oct 01 19:56:04 <summatusmentis> I'm just used to languages that block
Oct 01 19:56:19 <swisstomcat> yeah, it's quite a change to wrap your head around first
Oct 01 19:56:24 <Anivrom|pre> mfisch: your scene is already pushed when you make the db call right?
Oct 01 19:56:41 <summatusmentis> swisstomcat: so... how does concurrency work?
Oct 01 19:56:45 <mfisch> Anivrom|pre: I dont even have a scene yet ;)
Oct 01 19:56:50 <Anivrom|pre> I see.
Oct 01 19:57:09 <Anivrom|pre> How big is your database?
Oct 01 19:57:17 <haeffb_pre> mfisch: in stage assistant?
Oct 01 19:57:24 <mfisch> haeffb_pre: yeah
Oct 01 19:57:34 <swisstomcat> summatusmentis: javascript runs in an event loop in either the browser or on the server .. concurrency by default
Oct 01 19:57:43 <swisstomcat> no deadlocks
Oct 01 19:57:55 <summatusmentis> oh, and callbacks and things
Oct 01 19:58:00 <summatusmentis> wee
Oct 01 19:58:00 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 01 19:58:02 <Anivrom|pre> mfisch: how big is your database?
Oct 01 19:58:05 <mfisch> it is certainly different
Oct 01 19:58:08 <haeffb_pre> then do as above
Oct 01 19:58:12 <mfisch> Anivrom|pre: right now, 1 object
Oct 01 19:58:34 <mfisch> knowing C does not prepare one for JS
Oct 01 19:58:36 <haeffb_pre> setup - loadPrefs - onSuccess -carryOn
Oct 01 19:58:38 <Anivrom|pre> ...lol. Yea then push the scene in the success callback after you have assigned that object
Oct 01 19:58:47 <summatusmentis> mfisch: story of my life
Oct 01 19:59:08 <haeffb_pre> where carryOn is whatever else you want to do
Oct 01 19:59:10 <Anivrom|pre> mfisch: do yiu see your data getting any bigger than 1 small object?
Oct 01 19:59:11 <mfisch> when I wrote my first C# app I asked a guy, "hey how do I make function pointers in C#?"  "uh, I think you may have designed wrong"
Oct 01 19:59:17 <mfisch> Anivrom|pre: no
Oct 01 19:59:23 <mfisch> Anivrom|pre: should I use cookie insteaD?
Oct 01 19:59:37 <Anivrom|pre> mfisch: well, yes and no
Oct 01 19:59:45 <haeffb_pre> either works
Oct 01 19:59:46 <Anivrom|pre> Cookies are synchronous
Oct 01 19:59:55 <mfisch> Anivrom|pre: I saw cookie and I heard "doesnt persist" or "user can clear them"
Oct 01 20:00:05 <Anivrom|pre> Which solves headaces in that area, but gives you headaches in other aras
Oct 01 20:00:12 <haeffb_pre> no and no
Oct 01 20:00:21 <summatusmentis> Anivrom|pre: what types of headaches?
Oct 01 20:00:23 <mfisch> my definition of "cookie" is circa 1996
Oct 01 20:00:36 <haeffb_pre> do persist and user can't clear them
Oct 01 20:00:56 <haeffb_pre> unless you give an expiration
Oct 01 20:01:05 <haeffb_pre> or the delete your app
Oct 01 20:01:13 <haeffb_pre> they
Oct 01 20:01:20 <Anivrom|pre> summatusmentis: well its synchronous which is great, but they *can* be unreliable according to haeffb_pre and the ave an annoying 4kb cap which is definitely annoying
Oct 01 20:01:33 <summatusmentis> ah
Oct 01 20:01:35 <mfisch> 4kb cap works for me
Oct 01 20:01:49 <mfisch> I need to store zip code, a couple of temps, and whether you want F or C
Oct 01 20:02:13 <haeffb_pre> I think my problem was due to multiple cookies with similar names - a bug in webOS
Oct 01 20:02:16 <Anivrom|pre> 4kb cap is generally enough o scare someone into choosing a different storage method.
Oct 01 20:02:25 <summatusmentis> mfisch: yeh, in my app, I'm not storing enough to matter, I don't think
Oct 01 20:02:33 <mfisch> 4kb should be enough for anyone. -Palm
Oct 01 20:02:35 <torchie> 4kb - enough kb to kill a man
Oct 01 20:02:38 <Anivrom|pre> Since you never really know how big that datastore will get as your app expands
Oct 01 20:02:46 <swisstomcat> old way) puts("enter your name"); var name=gets(); puts("name:"+name); ---- new way) puts("enter your name"); gets(function(name) { puts("name:"+name);});
Oct 01 20:02:56 <swisstomcat> blocking vs. non-blocking
Oct 01 20:03:00 <torchie> oh wait
Oct 01 20:03:02 <mfisch> If you isolate your data layer, then if you switch to Depot I dont think it's a huge change
Oct 01 20:03:07 <torchie> 4kb - enough to kill anything that moves.
Oct 01 20:03:09 <haeffb_pre> mfisch: cookies would be fine, but so would Depot
Oct 01 20:03:26 <Anivrom|pre> mfisch: right but you have to switch the code over
Oct 01 20:03:34 * oil throws sqlite out the window
Oct 01 20:03:43 * halfhalo throws oil out the window
Oct 01 20:03:56 * Anivrom|pre blames oil for the broken window
Oct 01 20:03:58 * swisstomcat invites couchDB in
Oct 01 20:04:03 <oil> NO! not out there with the sqlite!
Oct 01 20:04:08 * oil runs from it
Oct 01 20:04:09 <haeffb_pre> Anivrom|pre: took me about 60 secs to change from cookie to Depot
Oct 01 20:04:17 * mfisch installs Oracle 10i on his phone to store data
Oct 01 20:04:23 <Anivrom|pre> I'm very very lazy.
Oct 01 20:04:36 * swisstomcat watches mfisch's phone slow down to a crawl and then die
Oct 01 20:04:37 * oil uses cookies for everything
Oct 01 20:05:07 <Anivrom|pre> 60 seconds = a whole lotta work cause I have to lookup how its done syntax wise. I r still nubbeh at javascript webos
Oct 01 20:05:09 <mfisch> swisstomcat: I have to add 1 TB of storage first
Oct 01 20:05:11 <haeffb_pre> because oil doesn't save everything
Oct 01 20:05:22 <oil> nothing
Oct 01 20:05:47 <summatusmentis> cookies seem reasonable to me
Oct 01 20:05:59 <haeffb_pre> cookies generally good for user prefs
Oct 01 20:06:14 <swisstomcat> i even use cookies for list persistance .. well, small lists
Oct 01 20:06:34 <summatusmentis> I think I've structured my app in such a way that when I need more data to be stored, I can just add more cookies to a global
Oct 01 20:06:43 <summatusmentis> and things
Oct 01 20:06:46 <haeffb_pre> but if you have multiple cookies, don't start their names with the same chars
Oct 01 20:06:47 <summatusmentis> tht wasn't clear at all
Oct 01 20:06:58 <summatusmentis> nope
Oct 01 20:07:09 <summatusmentis> there would be a cookie for each type of account, if that makes sense
Oct 01 20:07:15 <dohtem> is it possible to get the size (in KB) of my list model?
Oct 01 20:07:17 <summatusmentis> how does open sourcing an app works?
Oct 01 20:07:19 <Anivrom|pre> Technically speaking, without the size cap, most of us would be using ookies for eveything because, admit it or not, we all have a burning insatiable hatred for asynch that cannot be cured.
Oct 01 20:07:22 <summatusmentis> s/works/work/
Oct 01 20:07:24 <haeffb_pre> we still haven't determined if 4k is for each cookie or for all cookies
Oct 01 20:07:31 <sugardave> did we ever get a definite answer re: 4k is for all cookies or for each cookie?
Oct 01 20:07:36 <oil> summatusmentis: what do you mean?
Oct 01 20:08:04 <summatusmentis> oil: I got a palm developer account "for free" because they gave them out to "open source developers"
Oct 01 20:08:10 <swisstomcat> summatusmentis: you decide on a license and then you publish your source
Oct 01 20:08:13 <oil> lol
Oct 01 20:08:14 <haeffb_pre> you say "here, look at my open source app"
Oct 01 20:08:23 <oil> then you say "please! look!"
Oct 01 20:08:24 <dohtem> summatusmentis: everyone gets em for free now
Oct 01 20:08:27 <oil> "no, dont leave"
Oct 01 20:08:27 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 01 20:08:39 <oil> "we've got cookies"
Oct 01 20:08:40 <summatusmentis> but you can still release your app in the app store and things?
Oct 01 20:08:47 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 01 20:08:48 <dohtem> yup
Oct 01 20:08:49 <summatusmentis> it's just about whether or not you make your source available?
Oct 01 20:08:49 <swisstomcat> and sell it
Oct 01 20:08:49 <haeffb_pre> yes
Oct 01 20:08:53 <summatusmentis> interesting
Oct 01 20:08:53 <swisstomcat> exactly
Oct 01 20:08:56 <haeffb_pre> yes
Oct 01 20:08:57 <Anivrom|pre> sugardave: I thought bmyers cleare that one up ad said definitively... "each"
Oct 01 20:09:00 <summatusmentis> that's super straightforward
Oct 01 20:09:08 <summatusmentis> I guess I was expecting apple-esque rules
Oct 01 20:09:18 <oil> get out of here with your apple
Oct 01 20:09:29 <summatusmentis> (having never done any apple dev, ever)
Oct 01 20:09:45 <swisstomcat> open source apps get reviewed too (for the app catalog)
Oct 01 20:09:50 <summatusmentis> sure
Oct 01 20:10:02 <summatusmentis> but you can just put your source somewhere?
Oct 01 20:10:03 <oil> palm has some ui guidelines you'll get rejected for
Oct 01 20:10:04 <summatusmentis> that's really cool
Oct 01 20:10:13 <swisstomcat> basically, yes
Oct 01 20:10:13 <oil> but other then that they dont seem to care too much
Oct 01 20:10:18 <haeffb_pre> github works
Oct 01 20:10:26 <swisstomcat> zip-file on your website works
Oct 01 20:10:30 <swisstomcat> or  tar
Oct 01 20:10:31 <summatusmentis> so far, I think I'm following all of Palm's UI guidelines, because I don't know anything about UI stuff
Oct 01 20:10:38 <summatusmentis> I like the github concept
Oct 01 20:10:43 <summatusmentis> excpet "cloud"
Oct 01 20:10:46 <summatusmentis> but whatever, mostly
Oct 01 20:10:55 <swisstomcat> i've never read the UI guidelines but none of my apps got rejected so far
Oct 01 20:10:55 <torchie> palm's got ui guidelines huh
Oct 01 20:10:59 <haeffb_pre> actually, they don't even check to see if your source is available
Oct 01 20:11:10 <torchie> please make a tablet
Oct 01 20:11:16 <summatusmentis> which licenses are available?
Oct 01 20:11:17 * torchie fingers crossed
Oct 01 20:11:18 <CTLAdvance> Anivrom - I think you need to activate it on ATT, or your local carrier then use meta doctor to unlock it
Oct 01 20:11:27 <summatusmentis> or can you just use anything?
Oct 01 20:11:33 <Anivrom|pre> Interesting.........................
Oct 01 20:11:35 <swisstomcat> let me check
Oct 01 20:11:42 <haeffb_pre> and customers / other devs don't know if your account is OSS
Oct 01 20:11:49 <teemu> UI guidlines but no code guidelines..
Oct 01 20:11:55 <haeffb_pre> MIT, BSD, GPL
Oct 01 20:12:05 <haeffb_pre> others
Oct 01 20:12:14 <summatusmentis> ooh good, so there are non-gpl licenses
Oct 01 20:12:17 <oil> you have to write your code in ares
Oct 01 20:12:19 <summatusmentis> that's mostly what I wanted to know
Oct 01 20:12:21 <oil> or they'll reject it
Oct 01 20:12:28 <oil> lols
Oct 01 20:12:34 * haeffb_pre chose MIT for no particular reason
Oct 01 20:12:42 <CTLAdvance> Anivrom, unless something has changed its not easy to unlock it.
Oct 01 20:12:45 <swisstomcat> the choices are: apache,artistic,eclipse,gpl,lgp,mit,mozilla,new bsd
Oct 01 20:12:54 <summatusmentis> I don't understand the differences between MIT and BSD
Oct 01 20:12:58 * sugardave uses "Sugardave's Invisibile License"
Oct 01 20:13:08 <sugardave> except spelled correctly
Oct 01 20:13:20 <oil> the SIL license?
Oct 01 20:13:23 <haeffb_pre> artistic license?
Oct 01 20:13:44 <swisstomcat> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license.php
Oct 01 20:13:57 <sugardave> aka the "I'm too lazy to figure out how to license my crap" license
Oct 01 20:14:26 <swisstomcat> i'm using DWYWWI license
Oct 01 20:14:29 * haeffb_pre assumes public domain would work
Oct 01 20:15:05 <haeffb_pre> but MIT has some CYA clause
Oct 01 20:15:30 <swisstomcat> The DWYWWI (DoWhatYouWantWithIt) Licence Version 1.0
Oct 01 20:16:39 <MetaView> according to WOSQI I have no patch installed, weird
Oct 01 20:16:45 <haeffb_pre> DWYWWI, BDBMIIBS
Oct 01 20:17:15 <haeffb_pre> 'but don't blame me if it breaks something'
Oct 01 20:17:22 <swisstomcat> heh
Oct 01 20:18:23 <Anivrom|pre> IIBBO is my favourite licence.
Oct 01 20:18:37 <Anivrom|pre> If It Breaks Blame Oil
Oct 01 20:18:43 <oil> :/
Oct 01 20:18:43 <swisstomcat> awesome
Oct 01 20:18:49 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 01 20:19:05 <MetaView> is it freely available? this licence?
Oct 01 20:19:43 <Anivrom|pre> I use that licence on everything. ndoesnt even have to be an app
Oct 01 20:20:34 <Anivrom|pre> Milks turns sour? Meh its IIBBO licenced
Oct 01 20:21:05 <sugardave> I need to steal some of the yahoo license verbiage for their fantasy baseball api...stuff like "this code should not be used in systems responsible for nuclear reactors, lifesaving..." etc.
Oct 01 20:21:09 <sugardave> it was pretty funny
Oct 01 20:21:45 <swisstomcat> hmm ... that looks like an interesting talk: "JSON data over SMS"
Oct 01 20:22:20 <halfhalo> lol?
Oct 01 20:22:57 <swisstomcat> http://front-trends.com/speakers#peter-paul-koch
Oct 01 20:24:02 * sugardave looks into steganographically embedding JSON data into ebay auctions.
Oct 01 20:24:16 <BMyers> ?
Oct 01 20:24:33 <sugardave> I'm not really going to do that
Oct 01 20:25:05 <sugardave> but I was conjecturing about a "black market" ebay hidden inside the real one...steganography would be the way to do it
Oct 01 20:25:17 <swisstomcat> interesting idea
Oct 01 20:25:32 <BMyers> gray market stuff already..
Oct 01 20:30:38 <sugardave> well, I like mine better :P
Oct 01 20:30:48 <swisstomcat> how does that sound? talk: "You know webOS" ... "We've seen the rise of web apps, written in HTML/CSS/Javascript, running on top of WebKit. Palm's webOS treats web apps as first citizens, even the built-in apps are built that way. We'll take a closer look what webOS is and how to develop web apps for it. If you are a web developer, you'll feel right at home with webOS."
Oct 01 20:31:58 <sugardave> ...a closer look at what....
Oct 01 20:32:04 <sugardave> sounds good otherwise
Oct 01 20:32:13 <dohtem> http://blog.zhephree.com/post/1222611183/user-interface-and-experience-in-webos-apps-adding -- pretty good read
Oct 01 20:32:31 <swisstomcat> thx
Oct 01 20:32:37 <swisstomcat> excited to go to poland :)
Oct 01 20:35:26 <macman_> hi all question
Oct 01 20:35:31 <macman_> palm pre has a TI OMAP 3430
Oct 01 20:35:37 <macman_> what is that equivilent to ?
Oct 01 20:35:59 <halfhalo> what do you mean equivalent to....
Oct 01 20:36:38 <macman_> as in my device im using atm until i get a plam pre plus is a mytouch 3g 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM-7200a
Oct 01 20:36:39 <macman_> aka
Oct 01 20:36:43 <macman_> a phone with 528mhz
Oct 01 20:37:09 <halfhalo> The pre runs (at stock) at 500-600mhz
Oct 01 20:37:19 <macman_> can you overclock ?
Oct 01 20:37:24 <halfhalo> Yes
Oct 01 20:37:39 <macman_> i know i don't need root cause you can ssh into it with root by default correct ?
Oct 01 20:37:48 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 01 20:37:51 <macman_> there a specific app for that ?
Oct 01 20:38:08 <halfhalo> to what, overclock or root?
Oct 01 20:38:13 <macman_> overclock
Oct 01 20:38:26 <swisstomcat> uberkernel and govnah by webos-internals
Oct 01 20:38:34 <macman_> 2 programs ?
Oct 01 20:38:37 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 01 20:38:38 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 01 20:38:50 <swisstomcat> one is just the kernel .. and the other is the tool to configure the kernel
Oct 01 20:39:01 <macman_> i love youtube .. my number 1 source for visuals
Oct 01 20:39:14 <swisstomcat> the HTC Hero has the MSM7200A
Oct 01 20:39:27 <swisstomcat> the N900 has the 3430 too
Oct 01 20:40:08 <macman_> what the heck
Oct 01 20:40:13 <macman_> this guy overclolcked to 1ghz
Oct 01 20:40:22 <halfhalo> What, the pre?
Oct 01 20:40:27 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 20:40:29 <swisstomcat> sure, it can go up to 1.2
Oct 01 20:40:36 <halfhalo> Mines at 1GHz right now
Oct 01 20:40:37 <swisstomcat> if you feel like
Oct 01 20:40:37 <macman_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp0y-l1DWcs
Oct 01 20:44:52 <macman_> i know everyone ask this cause its just there .. say i need to replace palm pre and im overclocked all that good stuff .. should have a factory reset tool / button correct ?
Oct 01 20:45:03 <mfisch> what's the name of that little button in the upper left when I'm running my app that says "My App v"
Oct 01 20:45:12 <mfisch> it appears that's where I attach preferences menus
Oct 01 20:45:38 <halfhalo> macman_: you void your warranty when you overclock
Oct 01 20:45:39 <swisstomcat> app menu? the icon itself?
Oct 01 20:45:57 <macman_> halfhalo, ATT won't know this .. how do you reset (facotry)
Oct 01 20:46:16 <swisstomcat> you use the webosdoctor
Oct 01 20:46:18 <halfhalo> but there is a factory reset tool, and palm WILL know
Oct 01 20:46:28 <macman_> hmm
Oct 01 20:46:34 <macman_> so nothing to do about it ?
Oct 01 20:58:41 <macman_> there a gesture area on emulator ?
Oct 01 21:00:55 <Tibfib> lemketron!
Oct 01 21:00:57 <lemketron> macman_: no, but there are keys mapped to common gestures
Oct 01 21:01:02 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 21:01:04 <macman_> i have them
Oct 01 21:01:14 <Tibfib> macman_: I think there's a hotkey for keyboard in emulator
Oct 01 21:01:18 <Tibfib> don't remember what it is...
Oct 01 21:01:22 <macman_> hotkey ?
Oct 01 21:01:30 <lemketron> hotkey ?
Oct 01 21:01:32 <Tibfib> like home twice... or something
Oct 01 21:01:40 <Tibfib> lemketron: for the webos internals virtual keyboard
Oct 01 21:01:47 <lemketron> ah
Oct 01 21:01:58 <lemketron> that works in the emulator?  :-)
Oct 01 21:02:19 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 21:02:28 <macman_> i have virtual keyboard but don't know how to bring up
Oct 01 21:02:30 <macman_> let me start notes
Oct 01 21:04:02 <swisstomcat> hey lemketron
Oct 01 21:04:41 <macman_> no it dosen't
Oct 01 21:04:44 <macman_> im trying to get it to work
Oct 01 21:10:54 <JenP> hi all
Oct 01 21:14:15 <macman_> yea weird
Oct 01 21:14:17 <macman_> no keyboard
Oct 01 21:14:18 <macman_> meh
Oct 01 21:18:35 <renegaid> Virtual isn't had at all in landscape. I'm typing on wine right now
Oct 01 21:18:45 <renegaid> One
Oct 01 21:18:48 <macman_> ...
Oct 01 21:19:03 <macman_> renegaid, english ?
Oct 01 21:19:15 <renegaid> Bad
Oct 01 21:19:20 <macman_> aw
Oct 01 21:19:25 <macman_> what where you typing in wine ?
Oct 01 21:20:14 <renegaid> Meant to say bad. The auto correct got it wrong and I wasn't looking
Oct 01 21:20:45 <macman_> 0_o
Oct 01 21:23:28 <swisstomcat> hi jenp
Oct 01 21:23:48 <swisstomcat> LTNS
Oct 01 21:24:54 <JenP> hi swisstomcat! no kidding
Oct 01 21:24:59 <JenP> how are you?
Oct 01 21:25:02 <swisstomcat> good, good
Oct 01 21:25:17 <oilsworkn> does anyone ever answer that "horrible"?
Oct 01 21:25:24 <swisstomcat> the level of awesomeness has turned up quite a bit in the last weeks
Oct 01 21:25:26 <oilsworkn> does anyone ever ask that really wanting an answer other then "good"?
Oct 01 21:25:28 <JenP> you would be surprised
Oct 01 21:26:00 <oilsworkn> next time the person at the drive through asks how im doing im just going to unload on them for like a half hour
Oct 01 21:26:10 <JenP> lol
Oct 01 21:26:11 <swisstomcat> went to jsconf, quit my day job ... doesn't that sound like 'good'?
Oct 01 21:26:30 <JenP> it is if you tell me it is..
Oct 01 21:26:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:26:49 <swisstomcat> got invited to talk at front-trends in poland
Oct 01 21:26:58 <JenP> cool!
Oct 01 21:27:06 * oilsworkn feels swiss' tears on the verge of flowing
Oct 01 21:27:20 * halfhalo blames oil
Oct 01 21:27:30 <swisstomcat> turning into "palm european propaganda minister"
Oct 01 21:27:55 <Nyceane> hi JenP =D
Oct 01 21:28:03 <JenP> hi Nyceane!
Oct 01 21:28:32 <Nyceane> how are you?
Oct 01 21:28:39 <oilsworkn> dun dun dunnnn
Oct 01 21:28:46 <JenP> omg...let me tell you....LOL
Oct 01 21:28:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:29:05 <pcworld> What is the best way to use icons in a list? In the item template I use <div class="row textfield" x-mojo-tap-highlight="momentary"><table border="0"><tr><th><img src="#{img}" alt="picture" height="45" width="45" /></th><th><div class="palm-body-title">#{title}</div><div class="palm-info-text">#{desc}</div></th></tr></table></div> at  this time, but I don't think that this is the best and this doesn't look very good.
Oct 01 21:29:41 <JenP> pcworld: pastebin?
Oct 01 21:30:02 <haeffb> pcworld: use a CSS style with background=
Oct 01 21:30:03 * oilsworkn sees <table> tags
Oct 01 21:30:17 <JenP> so guys when we're watching the resource monitor to see if our app is leaking.;....how do we know if it is?
Oct 01 21:30:20 <oilsworkn> step1: throw the table out the window
Oct 01 21:30:23 <pcworld> http://pastebin.com/j17gV9V8
Oct 01 21:30:44 <oilsworkn> pcworld, use css
Oct 01 21:30:58 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/8fbaeb84-23f5-4bdb-a0a6-8b3810d7c3cd
Oct 01 21:31:03 <swisstomcat> jenp: use duct-tape
Oct 01 21:31:04 <pcworld> thanks, I'll try this
Oct 01 21:31:13 <JenP> hehehe if i could i would
Oct 01 21:31:21 <haeffb> here's an example: http://webos.pastebin.com/b2Xe5mbe
Oct 01 21:31:26 <oilsworkn> <div class="row textfield"
Oct 01 21:31:28 <swisstomcat> use duct-tape for any type of leaks
Oct 01 21:31:36 <oilsworkn> you dont need textfield unless it contains a text widget
Oct 01 21:31:47 <oilsworkn> (unless thats some custom class)
Oct 01 21:31:50 <JenP> haeffb the gps thing that started working...all of a sudden stopped working just as quickly
Oct 01 21:32:06 <haeffb> that's what was scary about it
Oct 01 21:32:26 <haeffb> pcworld: that example was for you
Oct 01 21:32:28 <JenP> i know...and i can't find a pattern to the behavior
Oct 01 21:33:02 <halfhalo> ohmygod
Oct 01 21:33:10 <halfhalo> ohmygodohmygodohmygod
Oct 01 21:33:17 <JenP> lol...?
Oct 01 21:33:23 <oilsworkn> yes?
Oct 01 21:33:24 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:33:27 <halfhalo> script/rails generate model has a --parent option
Oct 01 21:33:38 <halfhalo> LAZYNESS FTW
Oct 01 21:33:38 <oilsworkn> bah, rails
Oct 01 21:34:02 <halfhalo> Rails is amazing for CRUD
Oct 01 21:34:17 <oilsworkn> and thats it
Oct 01 21:34:31 <solix> lol@oils
Oct 01 21:34:33 <halfhalo> Most websites are crud based
Oct 01 21:34:57 <haeffb> pcworld: with this html: 		<div name='noteIcon' class='done-icon-note'></div>
Oct 01 21:35:12 <oilsworkn> naming your div?
Oct 01 21:35:20 <haeffb> yep
Oct 01 21:35:29 <haeffb> so I can tell whether it was tapped or not
Oct 01 21:35:30 <oilsworkn> whatever for? selectors?
Oct 01 21:35:40 <oilsworkn> ah
Oct 01 21:35:53 <haeffb> tap the icon or somewhere else in the list item
Oct 01 21:36:31 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 01 21:36:32 <haeffb> used to. Now I'm just checking the className
Oct 01 21:36:42 * oilsworkn uses className for such things
Oct 01 21:36:58 <haeffb> 	if (className === 'done-icon-note' || className === 'mynote') {
Oct 01 21:37:24 <haeffb> so am I, now. but I used to not know what I know now.
Oct 01 21:37:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:37:47 <oilsworkn> such is the way of linear existance
Oct 01 21:37:56 <swisstomcat> i used to be smarter than i am now ;)
Oct 01 21:38:03 <haeffb> then again, I used to know other things that I no longer know.
Oct 01 21:38:14 <oilsworkn> too many drugs?
Oct 01 21:38:25 <swisstomcat> age doesn't mix with linear existance
Oct 01 21:38:29 * haeffb subscribes to the "there's only so much water you can pour into a bucket" theory
Oct 01 21:38:48 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:38:53 <swisstomcat> especially if the bucket leaks more and more
Oct 01 21:38:53 <haeffb> everytime I learn something new, something old's gotta go
Oct 01 21:39:03 <oilsworkn> what you're saying is, your bucket is overflowing?
Oct 01 21:39:32 <haeffb> I don't really use particle physics in everyday life, so...
Oct 01 21:39:39 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:39:47 <swisstomcat> the older you get, the more the bucket starts to look like a sieve
Oct 01 21:39:54 <haeffb> so true
Oct 01 21:40:12 <oilsworkn> time to buy a new bucket?
Oct 01 21:40:19 <haeffb> eventually, you gotta keep pouring stuff in just to keep from running dry
Oct 01 21:40:23 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 01 21:40:31 <swisstomcat> if it were so easy, oil
Oct 01 21:40:34 <oilsworkn> get some duct tape?
Oct 01 21:40:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:40:47 <haeffb> hmmm...never thought of that.
Oct 01 21:41:01 <swisstomcat> duct tape is the equivalent of sticky notes
Oct 01 21:41:08 <swisstomcat> for the brain
Oct 01 21:41:13 <oilsworkn> haha
Oct 01 21:41:21 <pcworld> haeffb: thanks, but I need to scale the picture to a specific size. with height and width in CSS the picture is only cutted, or am I wrong?
Oct 01 21:41:37 <oilsworkn> there is a background-size css property, no?
Oct 01 21:42:21 <swisstomcat> hahaha ... before i knew you people, i spent so much money on therapy
Oct 01 21:42:21 <oilsworkn> -webkit-background-size: WIDTHpx HEIGHTpx;?
Oct 01 21:42:44 <oilsworkn> or maybe its height then width? idk
Oct 01 21:42:48 <haeffb> swisstomcat: we're preparing to send you an invoice as we speak
Oct 01 21:42:59 <swisstomcat> shoot
Oct 01 21:43:16 <haeffb> pcworld: I'm pretty sure you do make it do either. but I'm not a CSS wiz.
Oct 01 21:43:17 <oilsworkn> i figure i learned a lot of useless crap, hopefully that all is the first to go
Oct 01 21:43:40 <Nyceane> nothing is useless =}
Oct 01 21:43:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:43:49 <Nyceane> its just how you use it =)
Oct 01 21:44:02 <oilsworkn> so nothing has no uses?
Oct 01 21:44:18 <Nyceane> everything has its usefulness
Oct 01 21:44:32 * oilsworkn will get back to you when he thinks of something
Oct 01 21:44:55 <pcworld> I think there is no CSS property named webkit-background-size
Oct 01 21:44:58 <Nyceane> I am wondering if the pdk competition is still going
Oct 01 21:45:12 <oilsworkn> pcworld, im tellin ya, it works :)
Oct 01 21:45:17 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Oct 01 21:45:41 <oilsworkn> pcworld: im looking through code for usage
Oct 01 21:46:19 <Nyceane> I just need an army of programmers to execute my ideas =|
Oct 01 21:46:21 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob;f=stylesheets/main.css;h=9d63146f2b745aa7a2ee299743bb5e38443d720c;hb=HEAD#l769
Oct 01 21:46:28 <Nyceane> I wish I was rich =|
Oct 01 21:46:28 <oilsworkn> -webkit-background-size: 44px 44px;
Oct 01 21:46:29 <oilsworkn> it works
Oct 01 21:46:39 <Nyceane> where all I have to do is hire bunch of people to see which idea hits
Oct 01 21:46:48 <Nyceane> and just keep hire hire hire
Oct 01 21:47:01 <swisstomcat> how do you pay em?
Oct 01 21:47:14 <haeffb> pcworld: that would be a webkit specific CSS property
Oct 01 21:47:22 <Nyceane> if i was rich, i'd just pay them out of pocket lol
Oct 01 21:47:26 <oilsworkn> and luna is webkit
Oct 01 21:47:36 <Nyceane> hiring 200 programmers isn't that expensive in china or india
Oct 01 21:48:33 <oilsworkn> the beauty of moving from web dev to pre dev is one browser to worry about :)
Oct 01 21:48:43 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 01 21:49:14 <swisstomcat> knowing you people has made me a better human being, but not a better programmer ;)
Oct 01 21:49:21 <pcworld> haeffb: thanks, this is working. I noticed that I have to use width/height too
Oct 01 21:50:24 <haeffb> swisstomcat: we can only work on one issue at a time. The better human being was more important.
Oct 01 21:50:52 <swisstomcat> it's a start
Oct 01 21:51:08 <swisstomcat> so what's that javascript thing again?
Oct 01 21:51:21 * oilsworkn begins only replying to swisstomcat with lmgtfy links
Oct 01 21:52:06 <swisstomcat> javascript is not java?
Oct 01 21:52:22 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:52:44 <swisstomcat> because if i google javascript, one of the first results is "download the free java software (java.com)"
Oct 01 21:53:11 <oilsworkn> well, they probably paid for it to show when people search "java"
Oct 01 21:53:16 <oilsworkn> which is in javascrip[t
Oct 01 21:53:34 <swisstomcat> promotejs.com!
Oct 01 21:55:24 <JenP> ok i'm really starting to hate the gps service
Oct 01 21:55:52 <swisstomcat> time for therapy, jenp
Oct 01 21:56:21 <JenP> smiles....if it were only that easy
Oct 01 21:57:38 <oilsworkn> my limited experience with gps is that its sometimes janky
Oct 01 21:57:44 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 21:57:58 <oilsworkn> but i rarely use apps which use it to conserve battery
Oct 01 21:58:07 <JenP> nodnod...total pita
Oct 01 21:58:19 <swisstomcat> yeah, even as a user .. e.g foursquare
Oct 01 21:58:26 <JenP> i just don't get the random...it will work...now it wont crap
Oct 01 22:00:19 * oilsworkn doesnt use many "social" stuff, like facebook/foursquare/etc
Oct 01 22:00:36 <oilsworkn> irc is for that :)
Oct 01 22:00:43 <JenP> lol
Oct 01 22:01:01 <oilsworkn> as you can tell by my nick, im currently at work :)
Oct 01 22:01:05 <oilsworkn> see, who needs foursquare
Oct 01 22:01:07 <oilsworkn> just /nick
Oct 01 22:02:19 <pcworld> in my list the items are indented (although I don't want so): http://www.abload.de/img/screenshotyqlk.png - scene/template/CSS: http://pastebin.com/wPv1tbSF - does anybody know why?
Oct 01 22:02:51 <oilsworkn> thats a float:left problem
Oct 01 22:03:10 <oilsworkn> oh
Oct 01 22:03:24 <JenP> well this sucks. I'm thinking the only reliable thing I can do is not use gps and have the user just enter their info in
Oct 01 22:03:25 <oilsworkn> make your icon a little smaller
Oct 01 22:03:33 <JenP> which kinda defeats the purpose...
Oct 01 22:03:34 <oilsworkn> or your row a little larger
Oct 01 22:03:51 <oilsworkn> or clear:both; to your row class
Oct 01 22:03:54 <swisstomcat> jenp: i think james harris has published some example code to deal with all the gps madness
Oct 01 22:04:14 <JenP> yeah i saw that
Oct 01 22:05:17 <pcworld> thanks, that's working now
Oct 01 22:06:05 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 01 22:07:32 <pcworld> how can I make my icon vertically centered in a row of the list?
Oct 01 22:08:18 <swisstomcat> it's past midnight here .. gotta go .. goodn8 everyone
Oct 01 22:08:32 <JenP> nite
Oct 01 22:09:00 <oilsworkn> again with the n8
Oct 01 22:09:08 <oilsworkn> n8 != night
Oct 01 22:09:24 <oilsworkn> thats like saying l8r is "lighter" not "later"
Oct 01 22:09:55 <swisstomcat> bah
Oct 01 22:10:03 <swisstomcat> works well enough for an european :)
Oct 01 22:10:14 <oilsworkn> pcworld: play with top margin of icon
Oct 01 22:10:28 <oilsworkn> margin-top: #px;
Oct 01 22:10:32 <pcworld> swisstomcat: are you German?
Oct 01 22:10:33 <oilsworkn> till it looks centered in the row
Oct 01 22:10:43 <swisstomcat> pcworld: swiss even
Oct 01 22:10:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 01 22:10:59 <swisstomcat> (surprise)
Oct 01 22:11:06 <pcworld> :D
Oct 01 22:11:20 <haeffb> nate, swisstomcat
Oct 01 22:11:35 <swisstomcat> neigh
Oct 01 22:11:47 <oilsworkn> goodnate, sleep taight
Oct 01 22:12:05 * swisstomcat takes exit left
Oct 01 22:12:09 * oilsworkn brb
Oct 01 22:12:12 <haeffb> "sleep taight"? what are you, somekinda weirdo?
Oct 01 22:23:36 <oilsworkn> haeffb: no, i was making fun of n8
Oct 01 23:17:10 <Anivrom> Anyone seen urDrive by kingston? I just bought a 8gb usb key today and it had a folder for urDrive and I opened it up... pretty amazing stuff
Oct 01 23:30:44 <Roy-Pre101> alexfner: Awesome work on webos101.com
Oct 01 23:31:02 <Roy-Pre101> alexfner: Are you on twitter and am I following you?
Oct 01 23:37:19 <dawm> woot got a response to the free preplus thing
Oct 01 23:37:29 <Anivrom> yay
Oct 01 23:37:34 <Anivrom> I am writing my reply email as we speak
Oct 01 23:37:40 <dawm> same
Oct 01 23:38:57 * Anivrom races to finish before dawm so he can be 1 step closer to getting dev device
Oct 01 23:39:27 <Anivrom> </sent>
Oct 01 23:39:27 <dawm> what a craptacular spreadsheet too..
Oct 01 23:39:31 <Anivrom> lol
Oct 01 23:39:40 <Anivrom> yea really.
Oct 01 23:40:07 <dawm> hrm.. i wonder if a pixi would be better suited since i have a pre
Oct 01 23:40:24 <Anivrom> I asked for a pixi cuase I have a pre
Oct 01 23:40:33 <Anivrom> its great to be able to physically test on both
Oct 01 23:41:11 <Anivrom> Since the majority of my apps are landscape locked its hard to test on emulator so I just go straight to device
Oct 01 23:54:24 <dawm> yah, i asked for a pixi since i hate switching emulators :P
Oct 01 23:55:19 <lemketron> Anivrom: just rotate your monitor.  ;-)
Oct 01 23:58:51 <Anivrom> lemketron: try rotating your monitor and using the mouse on a 90 degree orientation change? :P I just edit the config file and change the dimensions. but I hate using emulator anyways. Feels like its missing things.
Oct 02 00:00:01 <macman_> haha
Oct 02 00:10:27 <Nyceane> sunnyvale, $50 a night
Oct 02 00:10:33 <alexfner> hmm?
Oct 02 00:11:03 <alexfner> Roy-Pre101: twitter.com/alexhaefner
Oct 02 00:11:23 <alexfner> Roy-Pre101: more coming as soon as I can get to it, got to apply to internships and submit projects and mid terms this week, so :/
Oct 02 00:13:14 <alexfner> and I just did a lot of a c++ project over ssh, using vim, where the connection seemed to die, and the project didn't save >:(
Oct 02 00:24:34 * sugardave guesses he missed out on the dev device giveaway.
Oct 02 00:25:00 <alexfner> don't guess, know!
Oct 02 00:25:01 <creationix> sugardave: do you have a device?
Oct 02 00:25:13 <sugardave> my primary phone
Oct 02 00:28:33 <macman_> i see a palm pre plus for $122 used .. should i get it ?
Oct 02 00:34:19 <Nyceane> yes
Oct 02 00:34:30 <Nyceane> i still want palm to offer me a device =)
Oct 02 00:34:54 <creationix> Nyceane: have you asked
Oct 02 00:35:15 <Nyceane> nope =/ waiting to see if i can attend their events
Oct 02 00:36:25 <macman_> ugh
Oct 02 00:36:37 <macman_> ATT offers it for $49.99 but i have to sing 2 year again
Oct 02 00:37:34 * Loudergood paid ~$150 for a new one to use with prepaid
Oct 02 00:37:53 <macman_> Loudergood,  how ?
Oct 02 00:38:01 <Loudergood> ebay
Oct 02 00:38:05 <macman_> aw
Oct 02 00:38:13 <macman_> i hate ebay
Oct 02 00:38:19 <Loudergood> yeah, it was a bit nerve racking for a little while
Oct 02 00:38:21 <macman_> there shipping sucks B@#$#lls
Oct 02 00:44:40 <macman_> yea
Oct 02 00:44:42 <macman_> i can't d it
Oct 02 00:44:51 <macman_> all of them are like $200 something
Oct 02 00:45:02 <macman_> one is for $153 but its not a ship now item
Oct 02 00:57:32 <haeffb_> macman_: but no contract.
Oct 02 00:57:54 <SineOt> hm, does anyone here use Ares in a single site browser program like Fluid?
Oct 02 00:59:14 <renegaid> I cannot believe Napster is out for android
Oct 02 00:59:15 <SineOt> I've found a really, really odd bug with it :p
Oct 02 01:03:46 <Roy-Pre101> OK, I must be retarded...  Here's a web-based tool I signed up for...  can anyone find the login button?
Oct 02 01:03:47 <Roy-Pre101> https://www.projectlocker.com/
Oct 02 01:05:22 <haeffb_> just shows the account signin form
Oct 02 01:06:41 <creationix> Roy-Pre101: sorry, there isn't one
Oct 02 01:07:41 <Roy-Pre101> Glad it's not just me.  I did figure out how to log in, but sheesh...  You'd think they might cover that on the site somewhere.
Oct 02 01:17:31 <Nyceane> its been a while roy pre
Oct 02 02:11:11 <CTLAdvance> anyone here familiar with USB pass through
Oct 02 02:11:42 <SineOt> just that if you don't know what you're doing, you can really screw it up.
Oct 02 02:14:56 <CTLAdvance> lol
Oct 02 02:15:08 <CTLAdvance> Thats why I am asking :)
Oct 02 02:15:34 <CTLAdvance> I wonder if we have documentation somewhere
Oct 02 02:37:03 <LoneStar99> good evening everyone
Oct 02 02:41:39 <CTLAdvance> good evening
Oct 02 02:41:55 <CTLAdvance> yes, good evening
Oct 02 02:42:15 <LoneStar99> yeah forsure
Oct 02 02:42:54 <CTLAdvance> for your evening enjoyment
Oct 02 02:42:56 <CTLAdvance> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoVfiw6SqoM&feature=fvw
Oct 02 02:51:50 <CTLAdvance> and one more before I get back to work
Oct 02 02:51:52 <CTLAdvance> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9dftLTH1Qg
Oct 02 02:52:02 <LoneStar99> my battery was shot
Oct 02 02:52:17 <LoneStar99> good thing bought another battery
Oct 02 02:52:49 <CTLAdvance> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoVfiw6SqoM&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Oct 02 02:52:56 <LoneStar99> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
Oct 02 02:56:52 <CTLAdvance> oy
Oct 02 02:58:37 <LoneStar99> waiting for a cab
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