**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 06 02:59:57 2010
Oct 06 04:32:07 <chuqui> Roy-Pre101: ping
Oct 06 04:43:14 <_azdak> hey- for anybody who hasn't heard me ask this yet
Oct 06 04:43:35 <_azdak> anybody used the download manager successfully before?
Oct 06 04:43:41 <Gu1l7y_work> Frizzle?
Oct 06 04:44:44 <Gu1l7y_work> _azdak: Frizzle?
Oct 06 04:45:02 <_azdak> I have *no* idea what that means hahaha
Oct 06 04:45:53 <Gu1l7y_work> The name of the download manager?
Oct 06 04:46:02 <Gu1l7y_work> The one I use is called "Frizzle"
Oct 06 04:46:04 <Gu1l7y_work> lol
Oct 06 04:46:57 <_azdak> ha. nooooooo
Oct 06 04:47:03 <_azdak> i mean the mojo one
Oct 06 04:47:30 <Roy-Pre101> bleh.
Oct 06 04:47:56 <Gu1l7y_work> Idk. I do know that Frizzle works good for me. i download movie files that are a couple hundred megs and it stays connected and whatnot...
Oct 06 04:47:59 <Gu1l7y_work> bleh
Oct 06 04:49:05 <_azdak> erm- it's more programmatic thing. Downloading files in-app and all
Oct 06 04:49:29 <Gu1l7y_work> I don't understand.
Oct 06 04:51:48 <_azdak> downloading files. from within an app. with javascript. that's all.
Oct 06 04:53:27 <Gu1l7y_work> Dude, just go try Frizzle. lol I can't find this "mojo" download manager app anyways. Is it homebrew?
Oct 06 04:55:01 <rwhitby> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1790
Oct 06 04:55:29 <_azdak> Gu1l7y_work - hilarious. you really not got anything better to do than troll a dev forum?
Oct 06 04:56:18 <_azdak> rwhitby - yeah, I've seen the docs. Just trying to figure out how to access the local file once it's d/led
Oct 06 04:56:56 <rwhitby> dunno, in my world I just fopen it in C :)
Oct 06 04:57:49 <Gu1l7y_work> You said "The download manager". I couldn't find this mojo thing so I suggested Frizzle. Didn't know #webos was a dev forum btw. Sounds very general to me.
Oct 06 04:58:45 <rwhitby> well, discussion of non-webOS windows download manager would be quite off-topic in this channel
Oct 06 04:58:51 <_azdak> rwhitby- :P ah well. will have to figure it out the old-fashioned way
Oct 06 04:59:45 <_azdak> Gu1l7y_work- not sure how you ended up here, but this is def a dev channel. The download manager I'm talking about is part of the webOS API
Oct 06 05:00:11 <rwhitby> ah, it's an app. ok, frizzle is on-topic and could have been a reasonable response to the question in this channel
Oct 06 05:00:22 <rwhitby> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.lieblsoftware.frizzle
Oct 06 05:00:26 <Gu1l7y_work> lol, and the download manager I'm talking about is on my... Webos phone.
Oct 06 05:00:35 <Gu1l7y_work> Thx rod.
Oct 06 05:01:36 <_azdak> (shrug)
Oct 06 05:02:08 <rwhitby> just crossed purposes and a common terminology
Oct 06 05:02:39 <_azdak> ya. Didn't mean to be a jerk. I honestly thought he was messing with me :/
Oct 06 05:05:13 <_azdak> hey rwhitby- if you've used fopen before...
Oct 06 05:05:59 <_azdak> do you know what the root for app paths are?
Oct 06 05:06:22 <_azdak> I've got mojo downloading files to /media/internal
Oct 06 05:06:36 <_azdak> but I have no idea where that is in relation to my app
Oct 06 05:09:47 <sugardave> download manager...if you download it to a location accessible to the app, you can then do an ajax request on that file to get its contents
Oct 06 05:10:05 <sugardave> might as well ajax it in the first place
Oct 06 05:12:55 <haeffb> Bmyers: cupcakes are tasty
Oct 06 05:13:02 <haeffb> sugardave: happy day after.
Oct 06 05:13:09 <_azdak> sugardave- yeah, but i want to store it for later usage
Oct 06 05:13:16 * haeffb up late drinking, just returned to hotel.
Oct 06 05:13:36 <sugardave> haeffb: vacation again?
Oct 06 05:13:37 <sugardave> :D
Oct 06 05:13:38 <oil> time to drunkencode?
Oct 06 05:13:43 <_azdak> so do i need to use the DL manager, *then* ajax to the local file to use it?
Oct 06 05:14:14 <_azdak> +1 for drunkencode
Oct 06 05:14:16 <sugardave> I think so
Oct 06 05:14:32 <rwhitby> _azdak: my stuff is outside the jail, so / is root path for me
Oct 06 05:14:41 <_azdak> ugh. that seems messy
Oct 06 05:15:31 <sugardave> _azdak: I mean, you can use the onSuccess handler of the download manager to use it immediately, but if you want to read it later, you'll have to ajax it from its saved location
Oct 06 05:15:37 <sugardave> (which will need to be in your sandbox)
Oct 06 05:16:58 <_azdak> gotcha. and I suppose the only way to just ajax it would be to base-64 into a db it or somesuch, which wouldn't really work for even moderate-sized files
Oct 06 05:17:45 <sugardave> right
Oct 06 05:22:15 * haeffb working
Oct 06 05:22:24 <haeffb> drunkencode will have to wait
Oct 06 05:22:26 <_azdak> well- that seems clutzy, but at least makes sense
Oct 06 05:22:48 <_azdak> though I'm now going to be running like 5 ajax calls in a row hahaha
Oct 06 05:26:20 * haeffb drunkenstupor. night.
Oct 06 05:27:55 <_azdak> night
Oct 06 05:31:42 <xbonesx> ive installed sdk and virtual box on ubuntu 10.04, how do i load it?
Oct 06 05:36:59 <_azdak> xbonesx- wish I could help you. don't know crap about linux
Oct 06 05:38:18 <xbonesx> i thought that virtual box listed the sdk?
Oct 06 05:39:02 <SineOt> should be like a Palm-Emulator app
Oct 06 05:39:14 <SineOt> that will boot the proper emulator in Virtual box
Oct 06 05:48:20 <_azdak> night all
Oct 06 05:48:41 <_azdak> thanks for the tip sugardave
Oct 06 06:38:39 <hotdp> Gooooooooood morning!
Oct 06 06:39:01 <teemu> Well good morning to you too. Did you win the lottery or what?
Oct 06 06:39:26 <hotdp> YES!
Oct 06 06:39:32 <hotdp> I actually did
Oct 06 06:39:43 <hotdp> I am going to London :D
Oct 06 06:40:22 <hotdp> I am going to http://www.mobileappsworld.net/index.html
Oct 06 06:40:37 <teemu> Why are you going? :)
Oct 06 06:41:01 <hotdp> I submitted for a free ticket at Palm and i won it :D
Oct 06 06:41:18 <teemu> That's nice :) Includes traveling?
Oct 06 06:41:28 <hotdp> Nah "only" intrance
Oct 06 06:41:46 <teemu> Two day?
Oct 06 06:42:36 <hotdp> yer
Oct 06 06:42:54 <teemu> Cool. That's like £1150
Oct 06 06:43:55 <hotdp> yer
Oct 06 06:45:59 <teemu> I'd go too
Oct 06 07:44:45 <hotdp> Do someone know Phonegap?
Oct 06 07:45:44 <whoolio> hotdp...
Oct 06 07:45:58 <whoolio> i don't know phonegap
Oct 06 07:46:07 <hotdp> dammit
Oct 06 07:46:08 <whoolio> but yoiu really don't need it if your app i sjavascript and htl
Oct 06 07:46:27 <whoolio> theres a ton of youtube tutorials on making an view based app in xcode
Oct 06 07:46:29 <hotdp> I need to know what is easy to use if you wonna dev for more platforms at once
Oct 06 07:46:47 <hotdp> and would like to use html
Oct 06 07:46:56 <whoolio> you have xcode?
Oct 06 07:47:03 <hotdp> no
Oct 06 07:47:15 <whoolio> you need that even with phonegap
Oct 06 07:47:22 <whoolio> unless thigns have changed in 10 months
Oct 06 07:47:31 <whoolio> but i don't think so
Oct 06 07:47:47 <hotdp> Ok, its just when i look at palm it looks like html?
Oct 06 07:47:54 <hotdp> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2113
Oct 06 07:49:04 <whoolio> see the top
Oct 06 07:49:05 <whoolio> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2115
Oct 06 07:49:16 <whoolio> To start with, if you're going to use PhoneGap to create iOS apps, you will need to be running Apple's OS X, and have their Xcode® and iOS SDK installed.
Oct 06 07:49:49 <whoolio> do u have a mac?
Oct 06 07:52:43 <hotdp> I dont have a max
Oct 06 07:52:53 <hotdp> mac
Oct 06 07:52:56 <hotdp> dammit
Oct 06 07:53:32 <whoolio> u need a mac to create apps with or without phone gap...u might be able to find one online that does it for you
Oct 06 07:53:43 <whoolio> one of those instant app sites form a template
Oct 06 07:53:48 <hotdp> Is there no tool that makes it possible to use html for all platforms?
Oct 06 07:54:03 <whoolio> there is...but u need the sdk installed
Oct 06 07:54:12 <whoolio> and the mac sdk only run son a mac
Oct 06 07:54:28 <hotdp> I just thought that it was possible to code for webview or something?
Oct 06 07:54:39 <whoolio> u can code in html on a mac
Oct 06 07:54:50 <whoolio> you wrap the html with objective c
Oct 06 07:54:54 <whoolio> phone gap can do it for you
Oct 06 07:55:03 <hotdp> Ok let me get it right
Oct 06 07:55:07 <whoolio> but you still need xcode and the sdk
Oct 06 07:55:15 <hotdp> I understand
Oct 06 07:55:19 <whoolio> to compile
Oct 06 07:55:25 <hotdp> Yes that oks
Oct 06 07:55:29 <whoolio> same with android...
Oct 06 07:55:40 <hotdp> as looong as the main laungage is not xcode but html
Oct 06 07:55:49 <whoolio> u can probably pickup a mac mini for $400-$500
Oct 06 07:55:50 <hotdp> (javascrript)
Oct 06 07:56:32 <whoolio> and upgrade to the os x for $50 if its not upgraded
Oct 06 07:56:40 <whoolio> thats a used mac mini
Oct 06 07:56:45 <hotdp> Ok but its it right what i say?
Oct 06 07:57:00 <hotdp> Use the same html code for all platforms but you need to compile it on all platforms?
Oct 06 07:57:01 <whoolio> u can code in html and javascript on the mac
Oct 06 07:57:11 <whoolio> not totally the same
Oct 06 07:57:16 <whoolio> im using jquery
Oct 06 07:57:27 <whoolio> and the animations don't always work righ ton the pre
Oct 06 07:57:54 <whoolio> and u may be limited in the hardware u can access
Oct 06 07:57:55 <hotdp> What about css trasission and html 5?
Oct 06 07:58:03 <whoolio> camera, etc
Oct 06 07:58:39 <hotdp> Ok i understand but the apps is more to present "data" images ect on a good looking way
Oct 06 07:58:49 <whoolio> then u will be fine
Oct 06 07:58:58 <whoolio> u are not goign to have an identical set of code
Oct 06 07:59:00 <hotdp> so no need for camera, mic contacts and other api things
Oct 06 07:59:09 <hotdp> What is different?
Oct 06 07:59:12 <whoolio> but it will be similar
Oct 06 07:59:18 <whoolio> for one...the size of the screen
Oct 06 07:59:34 <whoolio> text fields are different
Oct 06 07:59:50 <hotdp> I see its browser specific ?=
Oct 06 08:00:06 <whoolio> a select dropdown list i used in a pre app didn't work the other day
Oct 06 08:00:15 <whoolio> worked fine on the iphone
Oct 06 08:00:20 <hotdp> But it should be possible to use different css for different resolutions right?
Oct 06 08:00:28 <whoolio> yeah
Oct 06 08:00:45 <whoolio> but there where u won't have the same code
Oct 06 08:00:58 <whoolio> it will be easier to have to sets
Oct 06 08:01:11 <whoolio> ive built a couple apps for both systems now
Oct 06 08:01:36 <whoolio> they don't function the same
Oct 06 08:29:01 <hotdp> whoolio still alive?
Oct 06 12:08:45 <renegaid> no new webos devices until next year
Oct 06 12:10:09 <hotdp> Ok
Oct 06 12:10:38 <hotdp> and your source?
Oct 06 12:12:26 <renegaid> check on engadget. source is HP
Oct 06 12:16:29 <hotdp> "phones"
Oct 06 12:16:38 <hotdp> Maybe there will be a "phone" before
Oct 06 12:17:13 <hotdp> And maybe its not hp that come with the next one but Palm
Oct 06 12:34:17 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Oct 06 12:34:38 <hotdp> Hey swisstomcat
Oct 06 12:34:43 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Oct 06 12:34:44 <hotdp> I got great news :D
Oct 06 12:34:54 <swisstomcat> oh .. tell me
Oct 06 12:35:22 <hotdp> I am going to london :D
Oct 06 12:35:31 <swisstomcat> yay
Oct 06 12:35:34 <swisstomcat> congrats
Oct 06 12:35:37 <hotdp> Thanks
Oct 06 12:35:44 <hotdp> Got the ticket from palm :D
Oct 06 12:36:42 <swisstomcat> persistence pays off i guess :)
Oct 06 12:36:54 <hotdp> It does
Oct 06 12:36:59 <hotdp> and you know it
Oct 06 12:37:54 <swisstomcat> Published Today: Introduction to #webOS SDK Development - Part 4 http://enva.to/b42SKv
Oct 06 12:38:45 <hotdp> looking good swisstomcat
Oct 06 12:40:07 <swisstomcat> thanks
Oct 06 14:12:15 * halfhalo stretches and yawns
Oct 06 14:12:21 <halfhalo> good morning everyone
Oct 06 14:12:29 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 06 14:29:33 <sugardave> hmm, so much for "this year" and "fall" and "soon"
Oct 06 14:29:38 * sugardave is majorly disappointed.
Oct 06 14:30:22 <sugardave> "early next year"...I wonder if that means before June 30, or before December 31
Oct 06 14:32:48 <swisstomcat> january 2nd
Oct 06 14:32:52 <swisstomcat> hi sugardave
Oct 06 14:33:23 <haeffb> lame wifi network
Oct 06 14:33:36 <swisstomcat> morning haeffb
Oct 06 14:33:41 <haeffb> morning.
Oct 06 14:33:59 <haeffb> so, should I go ahead and get that Epic now?
Oct 06 14:34:26 <swisstomcat> Introduction to webOS SDK Development: Part 4 : http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk-development-4/
Oct 06 14:34:26 <haeffb> since "early next year" is likely six months away
Oct 06 14:34:59 <swisstomcat> get any android device and start with phonegap+js gui library development
Oct 06 14:35:01 <sugardave> haeffb: I'm thinking similarly, but my luck the damn thing will be out before my next "yearly upgrade" chance comes along
Oct 06 14:35:14 <haeffb> Note that we wrap the webview into a warpper-div,
Oct 06 14:35:33 <haeffb> sugardave: that's why I have two lines... :)
Oct 06 14:35:58 <sugardave> yeah, I have that, so both phones are eligible at varying times?
Oct 06 14:36:13 <haeffb> yes. right now both are eligible.
Oct 06 14:36:21 <sugardave> I see....hmmm....
Oct 06 14:36:33 <haeffb> and she's not into upgrading phones.
Oct 06 14:36:43 <haeffb> so I upgrade hers and then give the old one back to her
Oct 06 14:36:44 <sugardave> but they don't make a pink android
Oct 06 14:36:53 <swisstomcat> haeffb: dang!
Oct 06 14:37:10 <haeffb> "You can't take my pixi away!!!!"
Oct 06 14:37:13 <haeffb> Ok, here, have it back.
Oct 06 14:37:40 * sugardave goes to see if there's a bitch-fest happening somewhere.
Oct 06 14:38:08 <haeffb> epic costs an extra $10/month for 4G that I can't use...
Oct 06 14:39:25 <renegaid> i get 4g here in brooklyn. 4G is in a lot of places but not officially launched
Oct 06 14:40:49 * haeffb is nowhere close to brooklyn
Oct 06 14:41:02 <haeffb> and at least 150 miles from any 4G
Oct 06 14:43:33 <sugardave> I think there's some 4G action in Austin...I'm sure I'm just outside its reach
Oct 06 14:46:49 <renegaid> http://www.clear.com/coverage check that siite not sprint
Oct 06 14:51:34 <sugardave> As I suspected...the huge empty field near here gets 4G, but not my house....looks like one house in this neighborhood is under a green space
Oct 06 14:51:43 <swisstomcat> webos 2.0 will probably be on current devices too, sugardave
Oct 06 14:52:04 <sugardave> yeah, big f-in deal
Oct 06 14:52:30 <sugardave> "probably" is like "early next year"
Oct 06 14:53:01 <swisstomcat> i don't think so
Oct 06 14:53:11 <renegaid> that map seems to not be updated. in my zip it does not have green but i get 10 megs down
Oct 06 14:53:44 <warpdesign__> hello !!!
Oct 06 14:53:45 <warpdesign__> :)
Oct 06 14:59:24 <halfhalo> my feet are frozen
Oct 06 14:59:56 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
Oct 06 15:00:09 <halfhalo> Note to self: Do NOT wear the leather flip flops that chafe when they get wet when it rains
Oct 06 15:01:22 * halfhalo is debating crawling under his desk at work to be near the heater vent
Oct 06 15:02:51 <swisstomcat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FxfMFDSPEA
Oct 06 15:03:22 <haeffb> there's a whole lot of the country that's not under the fuzzy green color
Oct 06 15:03:49 <halfhalo> Apparently Everywhere but my house has 4G near me
Oct 06 15:04:03 <halfhalo> Although, to be honest, everywhere but my house has 3G as well
Oct 06 15:04:07 <halfhalo> or 2G...
Oct 06 15:04:11 <sugardave> halfhalo: type with your feet and get heat from the laptop
Oct 06 15:04:34 <halfhalo> sugardave: That would work but I have the Thinkpad. It doesn't produce any heat
Oct 06 15:05:30 <halfhalo> I have run it in a wprime/vantage loop and only had slightly higher than room temp air come out
Oct 06 15:05:30 <sugardave> must not be a T60p
Oct 06 15:05:34 <halfhalo> T400
Oct 06 15:06:19 <halfhalo> I should have brought the C90s with me... that thing is a space heater
Oct 06 15:06:25 <halfhalo> And has the fans to match
Oct 06 15:07:06 <halfhalo> Mmmmmmm Desktop E6600@3Ghz with four fans sticking out the back.... waaaaarm
Oct 06 15:08:22 * halfhalo steals the couch cushions, unplugs the phone, and hides under his desk
Oct 06 15:10:28 <haeffb> or run wirc on your pre
Oct 06 15:13:36 <dohtem> http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/articleimage/9274/2010/10/Motorola%20SPICE_Black_FrontOpen.jpg -- looks Pre-ish
Oct 06 15:14:04 <swisstomcat> droid pro?
Oct 06 15:14:36 <dohtem> Motorola SPICE
Oct 06 15:22:13 <haeffb> Palm, they're stealing your mojo!
Oct 06 15:24:43 <dohtem> and graffiti - http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/portrait.png
Oct 06 16:10:20 * sugardave will be checking out the PlayStation Move in a little while.
Oct 06 16:13:15 <sugardave> hello chuqui
Oct 06 16:13:47 <summatusmentis> so I broke down and bought a used ebay device
Oct 06 16:14:22 <summatusmentis> if nothing else, it'll tide me over until "early next year"
Oct 06 16:20:01 <sugardave> summatusmentis: I'm hoping for the dev device plan...then I can get a new phone and not care
Oct 06 16:21:50 <summatusmentis> sugardave: it's not looking like I'm getting one of those
Oct 06 16:21:52 <summatusmentis> I inquired
Oct 06 16:24:50 <sugardave> I sent email, but no response either way yet
Oct 06 16:25:11 <summatusmentis> oh, I've gotten responses, they just sound negative
Oct 06 16:25:12 <sugardave> I was late to the party, though, so I didn't send it until this past weekend
Oct 06 16:41:47 <hotdp> Hey webos people
Oct 06 16:44:06 <hotdp> Is there anyone who have experience with phonegap ect ?
Oct 06 16:44:21 <summatusmentis> I don't, but I've considered it
Oct 06 16:46:21 <hotdp> I have some q about it
Oct 06 16:46:32 <hotdp> I have a boss that really would like to do some iPad stuff
Oct 06 16:46:42 <hotdp> and i dont wonna do tomuch xcode
Oct 06 17:09:46 <sugardave> hotdp: swisstomcat and Bmyers are phonegap people
Oct 06 17:19:42 <hotdp> sugardave thanks
Oct 06 17:20:00 <hotdp> Talked to swisstomcat early but he seems to be away
Oct 06 17:55:52 <dohtem> Can I access odd/even (or every other item) in the List widget?
Oct 06 17:57:45 <sugardave> dohtem: what do you mean?
Oct 06 17:58:42 <summatusmentis> you... should be able to just step through it like you would anything else?
Oct 06 17:59:05 <dohtem> meh... I thought there was a way to do it automagically :(
Oct 06 17:59:41 <sugardave> what are you trying to do...style every other row differently or something?
Oct 06 18:00:08 <dohtem> exactly
Oct 06 18:01:02 <oil> just change your row template and use css
Oct 06 18:01:50 <sugardave> yeah, you'll have to do it yourself... items.each(function(item, index){if (index % 2 === 0) {// add an 'even' property} else {// add an 'odd' property}});
Oct 06 18:02:09 <sugardave> or something like that
Oct 06 18:02:30 <dohtem> Palm: new feature request!
Oct 06 18:03:29 <dohtem> add .even and .odd classes to even and odd list items
Oct 06 18:16:50 <creationix> dohtem: is there not css support for nth-child?
Oct 06 18:16:51 <creationix> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/zebra-striping-tables-with-css3/
Oct 06 18:17:24 <creationix> and the html5 query selector for using css selectors to get dom elements (very much like sizzle from jquery)
Oct 06 18:19:11 <dohtem> ooh...
Oct 06 18:19:44 <dohtem> didnt know about the nth-child selector.  Been doing it the old way for years
Oct 06 18:20:55 <creationix> dohtem: try this in a newer browser like chrome
Oct 06 18:20:56 <creationix> document.querySelectorAll("div:nth-child(2n)")
Oct 06 18:21:03 <creationix> you'll get all the even divs on the page
Oct 06 18:21:12 <dohtem> nth-child(even) even works
Oct 06 18:21:14 <sugardave> that is cool if it works
Oct 06 18:21:18 <sugardave> neato
Oct 06 18:21:26 <creationix> but palm's webkit is pretty old
Oct 06 18:21:29 <dohtem> well I havent tried this on webos yet
Oct 06 18:21:30 <creationix> so don't get your hopes up
Oct 06 18:21:34 <sugardave> oh
Oct 06 18:21:40 <sugardave> you guys let me down
Oct 06 18:22:05 <dohtem> blame creationix
Oct 06 18:22:28 <creationix> try it, it just might work
Oct 06 18:23:18 <_azdak> hey yall
Oct 06 18:25:26 <dohtem> btw, wont Prototype have something similar?
Oct 06 18:25:33 <dohtem> howdy _azdak
Oct 06 18:26:00 <creationix> if the browser has it native, please don't use prototype
Oct 06 18:26:20 <creationix> less dolphins die that way
Oct 06 18:27:24 <sugardave> the first prototype example I found uses each
Oct 06 18:35:19 <_azdak> hmmm
Oct 06 18:37:07 <_azdak> well that's totally weird. If you just put the google maps API as a js include in an app's header, it works. But if you include it dynamically, it prevents mojo from loading the scene html for some reason. weird.
Oct 06 18:38:08 <dohtem> doesn't look like the nth-child selector works :(
Oct 06 18:39:23 <_azdak> dohtem- nah, it doesn't as I remember
Oct 06 18:40:29 <_azdak> ,I was going to use it for zebra striping for a thing, and ended up doing it programmatically
Oct 06 18:41:21 * dohtem tries not to cry
Oct 06 18:41:51 <_azdak> whatcha trying to do?
Oct 06 18:41:56 <swisstomcat> rehi
Oct 06 18:42:02 <dohtem> zebra striping
Oct 06 18:42:44 <dohtem> swisstomcat: just saw the new tutorial is up on mobile.tuts
Oct 06 18:42:47 <dohtem> kudos
Oct 06 18:43:41 <swisstomcat> you like it?
Oct 06 18:44:01 <swisstomcat> it handles list reorder,delete and persistence with cookies
Oct 06 18:44:06 <dohtem> i jumped right to the reodering the list widget part
Oct 06 18:45:26 <_azdak> dohtem- can you just do something like http://pastie.org/1203593
Oct 06 18:45:29 <_azdak> ?
Oct 06 18:47:06 <dohtem> I have no problem doing it programmatically.  I was just wondering if there was an easier way I wasn't aware of
Oct 06 18:49:12 <_azdak> don't think so
Oct 06 18:51:09 <funkatron> you people need to try the new spaz beta
Oct 06 18:51:44 <dohtem> what's in it for us?
Oct 06 18:51:47 <dohtem> :)
Oct 06 18:52:08 <sugardave> "you people"?
Oct 06 18:52:18 <summatusmentis> what do you mean "you people"?
Oct 06 18:54:26 <swisstomcat> funkatron: why should we?
Oct 06 18:54:35 <funkatron> it's cool?
Oct 06 18:54:57 <creationix> dohtem: maybe the next webos will have an updated webkit
Oct 06 18:57:42 <funkatron> mainly I'd like feedback. I also think it's better. so yeah.
Oct 06 18:59:22 <funkatron> also it has a bunch of new cross-app launching args
Oct 06 19:02:35 <swisstomcat> cool, i'll test it
Oct 06 19:31:01 <_azdak> funkatron- pretty nice. I've actually been meaning to get a new twitter client since tweefree broke
Oct 06 19:36:06 <_azdak> wow- this thing can do a ton. color me impressed
Oct 06 19:40:48 <HattCzech_work> afternoon, all
Oct 06 19:42:08 <swisstomcat> hi hattczech_work .. LTNS
Oct 06 19:42:21 <HattCzech_work> i know, which is unfortunate
Oct 06 19:42:27 <HattCzech_work> been crazy busy at work
Oct 06 19:42:44 <HattCzech_work> hopefully i will have time to put towards webos in the near future
Oct 06 19:45:55 <_azdak> Ok- now that's dumb. The google API call fails dynamically unless you get it to call a nonexistant callback
Oct 06 19:46:36 <_azdak> throws a typeerror but works fine. weird as I'll get out
Oct 06 19:47:13 <_azdak> as all get out, that is
Oct 06 20:12:01 <funkatron> thanks _azdak!
Oct 06 20:13:27 <funkatron> _azdak: it's open source if you're into that kind of thing
Oct 06 20:13:59 <summatusmentis> funkatron: I didn't know spaz was open source
Oct 06 20:14:05 <funkatron> yep
Oct 06 20:14:07 <summatusmentis> sweet
Oct 06 20:14:12 <funkatron> github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos
Oct 06 20:14:32 <summatusmentis> when I get my pre in the next week or so, I'll keep that in mind for sure
Oct 06 20:14:41 <_azdak> funkatron- sweet. I'll dig around it some
Oct 06 20:14:46 <funkatron> you bet
Oct 06 20:14:54 <funkatron> the beta branch is prob what you want right now
Oct 06 20:35:41 <MetaView> hi
Oct 06 20:37:49 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Oct 06 20:37:54 <swisstomcat> and good night everyone
Oct 06 20:39:14 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat
Oct 06 20:39:19 <MetaView> and sleep well
Oct 06 20:41:32 <swisstomcat> thx
Oct 06 20:41:43 <swisstomcat> http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk-development-4/
Oct 06 20:42:08 <MetaView> cool
Oct 06 20:47:55 <Tibfib> heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtMHSYtPc4
Oct 06 20:49:18 <MetaView> Madness, Madness, they call it madness.
Oct 06 20:49:51 <dohtem> lmao
Oct 06 20:50:41 <Tibfib> I crack up every time I watch it.
Oct 06 20:50:51 <Tibfib> 10+ so far...lol
Oct 06 21:26:08 <pandora--> heyhey all
Oct 06 21:30:34 <HattCzech_work> hey pandora--
Oct 06 21:32:16 <sugardave> say...do they still update the catalog at multiple times each day?
Oct 06 21:46:56 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: i think it's every couple of hours...
Oct 06 21:47:54 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: ah, cool
Oct 06 21:48:28 <sugardave> I jumped the gun on my twitter announcement, I had refreshed my page and the app said 'published' but I failed to check the link :D
Oct 06 21:49:18 <Tibfib> whoa, anyone noticed the "New in this version" box when updating apps?
Oct 06 21:49:46 <sugardave> yeah, I saw that when I was updating my beta feed app
Oct 06 21:49:50 <sugardave> pretty nifty
Oct 06 21:49:53 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, i have not
Oct 06 21:49:54 <Tibfib> sugardave: did you fill it out?
Oct 06 21:49:57 <HattCzech_work> checking now...
Oct 06 21:50:03 <Tibfib> sugardave: if so, where does it show up?
Oct 06 21:50:11 <sugardave> Tibfib: I did....but I don't know if I ever looked for it
Oct 06 21:50:14 <sugardave> let's see
Oct 06 21:50:53 <HattCzech_work> ah, you're referring to updating an app... gotcha
Oct 06 21:51:00 <HattCzech_work> hopefully i can do that soon :)
Oct 06 21:51:31 <sugardave> Tibfib: apparently it doesn't show up in the catalog
Oct 06 21:52:08 <sugardave> nor does it show on the web page
Oct 06 21:52:31 <sugardave> so, it's like tits on a bull
Oct 06 21:53:17 <Tibfib> sigh.
Oct 06 21:53:24 <Tibfib> hopefully in future versions
Oct 06 22:28:49 <dohtem> just saw someone win $1000 on the scratcher... didnt think people actually won with those things
Oct 06 23:08:05 <v0n> Hi
Oct 06 23:08:32 <v0n> Is WebOS easily updatable on a Palm Pixi for example?
Oct 06 23:08:44 <pandora--> yes
Oct 06 23:09:13 <v0n> I mean when a new version of the webos sdk is released (like the fresh 2.0), can I have it on my mobile?
Oct 06 23:09:32 <v0n> or should I buy a new Palm phone?
Oct 06 23:09:42 <pandora--> yes you will be able to update it
Oct 06 23:09:51 <pandora--> just as it has been updated to 1.4.5, etc
Oct 06 23:10:02 <v0n> Great!
Oct 06 23:10:37 <v0n> I've got a week to decide which mobile to take, my wish is a WebOS phone for the moment ^^
Oct 06 23:10:56 <pandora--> I love my Pre
Oct 06 23:11:02 <pandora--> and my wife loves her Pixi :)
Oct 06 23:11:20 <pandora--> I even tried to go android for a while, but I came back to my Pre after only a few weeks
Oct 06 23:11:54 <v0n> I saw that the balance of the pixi (in the hand) is better... I have to try both
Oct 06 23:12:42 <v0n> I'm bored about Java, and I really like the webOS philosophy (based on HTML5, CSS3 and now Node.JS)
Oct 06 23:12:53 <pandora--> hehe
Oct 06 23:12:58 * pandora-- is a java develoepr
Oct 06 23:13:04 * pandora-- that can't spell today
Oct 06 23:13:57 <v0n> pandora--, you're a Java developer and you still prefer WebOS? Interesting
Oct 06 23:14:18 <pandora--> I'm a j2me/android/webos/iphone developer
Oct 06 23:14:28 <pandora--> but for my personal phone, definitely palm pre
Oct 06 23:15:35 <v0n> ok
Oct 06 23:16:05 <v0n> Is a new Palm phone coming or Pixi and Pre will be there for a long time?
Oct 06 23:18:58 <pandora--> v0n: new phones are announced to be expected early 2011
Oct 06 23:19:09 <pandora--> but no concrete details on what they will be
Oct 06 23:19:15 <pandora--> (some speculation though)
Oct 06 23:22:34 <v0n> pandora--, I'd like to dev some mobile app, WebOS seems to be sexy, that's why I'd like a Palm phone. So, what do you thing about webos dev?
Oct 06 23:22:47 <pandora--> i love it
Oct 06 23:22:57 <pandora--> it's a lot nicer than developing on other platforms, in my opinion
Oct 06 23:23:10 <pandora--> of course, the market share is a mere fraction of what iphone and android have
Oct 06 23:23:26 <pandora--> but, as far as just making webos apps, it's great
Oct 06 23:23:37 <pandora--> and there's still money to be had on palm app catalog
Oct 06 23:25:11 <v0n> did the webos applications market increase for the last few months or not?
Oct 06 23:49:53 <v0n> anyway, pandora-- why do you prefer Pre vs. Pixi?
Oct 07 00:13:30 <JenP> hi all!
Oct 07 00:19:11 <v0n> hi
Oct 07 00:21:08 <JenP> \me waves
Oct 07 00:21:26 <oil> lol
Oct 07 00:22:04 <JenP> lol hi oil!!
Oct 07 00:22:12 <oil> hey
Oct 07 00:59:19 <SineOt> man, seeing the p102 label that the FCC has up... I think it's just going to be a spec bumped Pre+ :C
Oct 07 01:02:23 <bpadalino> yeah that seems to make sense .. sticking with the p10x dealie
Oct 07 01:03:48 <SineOt> yeah. Moreso just that the label is the exact same shape as the original Pre label
Oct 07 01:04:04 <SineOt> a Pre2 could have theoretically kept the same P10x numbering and been fairly different
Oct 07 01:04:19 <summatusmentis> well, to be fair, Palm has always maintained general shapes of their devices
Oct 07 01:04:53 <summatusmentis> but what that also means is you could do a comm swap, potentially
Oct 07 01:05:19 <SineOt> yeah, but general shape (eg like, two portrait sliders) probably wouldn't share things exactly the same down to the labels
Oct 07 01:05:24 <SineOt> like the pre/pre+ did
Oct 07 01:06:23 <SineOt> Pre Double Plus Good
Oct 07 01:06:56 <bpadalino> sounds like a good name: ship it
Oct 07 01:11:07 <summatusmentis> SineOt: for instance, you could potentially get rid of the button on the pre, and providde a slightly larger touchscreen, and more room for a battery, but maintain "close enough" shape for the labels to be the same
Oct 07 01:11:18 <summatusmentis> the varying versions of the treos were all the same, essentially
Oct 07 01:11:27 <summatusmentis> they had slightly different configuration layouts
Oct 07 01:12:03 <SineOt> the pre plus got rid of the button, but there's only so much you can do to shrink that without removing the gesture area/making it hard to use
Oct 07 01:14:59 <bryan_roth> is it necessary to set a widget's model value everytime the widget is changed? it seems like the widget takes care of that already...
Oct 07 01:20:39 <jettero> is there a widget to get one of those cmdmenu or listselector popup menus without the list selector?
Oct 07 01:23:11 <jettero> hrm, this.controller.scene.popupSubmenu seems to do it
Oct 07 01:35:30 <Anivrom> question: when do formatters get executed?
Oct 07 01:35:55 <Anivrom> when the corresponding property in th emodel changes?
Oct 07 01:36:02 <SineOt> from what's getting talked about on twitter, I think the p102 is just a 1GHZ speedbumped Pre+
Oct 07 01:36:21 <SineOt> of course that's cool in its own way because just imagine how fast you could get a 1GHZ stock chip up to with overclocking :V
Oct 07 01:37:37 <Anivrom> sugardave: ping
Oct 07 01:38:47 <Anivrom> tibfib: you there.
Oct 07 01:41:35 <Anivrom> nvm's I got my answer. Update the data in the model and it will call the formatter function.... (right?)
Oct 07 01:43:16 <Anivrom> afk for a bit. mcdonalds timmmmmeeee
Oct 07 01:50:27 <haeffb> Anivrom: yes, when the list is rendered.
Oct 07 02:26:57 <haeffb> sugardave: Yay!
Oct 07 02:28:26 * haeffb wonders aloud whether HPalm has brought back the concept of developer "handlers"....
Oct 07 02:28:35 <SineOt> handlers?
Oct 07 02:29:37 <JenP> may be seems like theres some new member relations people
Oct 07 02:29:55 <JenP> haeffb: have you ever seen anyone use a menu group that doesn't fall on the bottom of the card?
Oct 07 02:30:50 <haeffb> no. except for view menus that fall on the top of the card.
Oct 07 02:32:37 <haeffb> but you may be able to override the CSS to place them elsewhere
Oct 07 02:32:38 <JenP> darn. it would be sweet if we could position them...been trying
Oct 07 02:32:42 <haeffb> SineOt: back in the "early days" when the SDK was still in beta, palm assigned internal "handlers" to developers to help them through the process of submitting apps, etc.
Oct 07 02:33:21 <haeffb> you've been playing with the global-menus.css?
Oct 07 02:35:06 <JenP> yes
Oct 07 02:35:11 <SineOt> Ah, that's cool.
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