**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 08 02:59:57 2010
Oct 08 03:00:27 <dawm|laptop> there we go. found a patch that makes it the wifi ssid ;D
Oct 08 03:02:03 <sugardave> rwhitby: what kind of granularity are you looking for in the setting of time?  1, 5, 15 minutes?
Oct 08 03:02:24 <rwhitby> 15 mins would be fine.
Oct 08 03:10:33 <dawm|laptop> nice finally DNF
Oct 08 03:26:28 <pandora--> hey
Oct 08 03:27:02 <pandora--> anyone have a good example of how to do the button within the page header?
Oct 08 03:27:17 <pandora--> like in the Messaging app
Oct 08 03:27:39 <pandora--> [ pandora    [text] ]
Oct 08 03:42:26 <JenP> hi all
Oct 08 05:38:19 <rwhitby> Hmm - I need to create a 48x48 small icon for app catalog submission.  All I have is a 64x64 :(
Oct 08 05:39:17 <torchie> what about 512x512s
Oct 08 05:39:52 <rwhitby> meh, I'll just crop it
Oct 08 05:54:52 <pandora--> why not resize it?
Oct 08 05:55:27 <torchie> SVG!
Oct 08 05:55:56 <torchie> has anyone else been finding a need to actually start apps for the notifications to go off?
Oct 08 05:56:05 <torchie> like not just facebook and twee
Oct 08 05:56:13 <torchie> but Clock and Calendar too
Oct 08 06:00:38 <torchie> I don't seem to have to do it for Tasks
Oct 08 06:08:40 <rwhitby> anyone like to give me feedback on this for an app catalog description? http://webos.pastebin.com/8QmicT37
Oct 08 06:21:13 <torchie> good stuff
Oct 08 07:27:28 <hotdp> Good morning
Oct 08 07:37:41 <teemu> Morning
Oct 08 07:37:47 <teemu> How's it goign?
Oct 08 07:37:49 <teemu> going
Oct 08 07:38:42 <hotdp> allright
Oct 08 07:38:46 <hotdp> and you?
Oct 08 07:38:51 <hotdp> Just working way to much
Oct 08 08:02:10 <teemu> hotdp: sorry for the delay. Nothing special here. Too much work here too.
Oct 08 08:38:07 <JenP> hi all
Oct 08 08:50:32 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Oct 08 08:50:45 <JenP> hi rod
Oct 08 08:50:50 <JenP> how's it going?
Oct 08 08:51:01 <rwhitby> JenP: I finally submitted something to the app cat
Oct 08 08:51:11 <JenP> reallY? what?
Oct 08 08:51:16 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/f/fb/Phd-ss1.png
Oct 08 08:51:32 <JenP> omg that's great!
Oct 08 08:51:37 <rwhitby> $0.99
Oct 08 08:51:43 <JenP> very cool
Oct 08 08:51:53 <JenP> so palm's gonna let it go in?
Oct 08 08:52:07 <JenP> even with the custom kernels...
Oct 08 08:52:49 <rwhitby> I had to remove all direct links to homebrew stuff (like WOSQI), but linking to a page which links to them seems to be ok.  I guess I'll know the final verdict tomorrow
Oct 08 08:53:04 <JenP> nice
Oct 08 08:54:45 <JenP> hey rod is there a way to completely wipe your phone back to system restore? webos doctor didn't do it
Oct 08 08:55:18 <rwhitby> full erase and webos doctor is the way to completely wipe it
Oct 08 08:55:31 <JenP> how do you do full erase?
Oct 08 08:56:04 <rwhitby> device info -> Reset Options
Oct 08 08:56:16 <JenP> ah   kk
Oct 08 08:56:50 <rwhitby> you may need to do a a volume-up+power doctor start
Oct 08 08:57:39 <JenP> kk i'll try that
Oct 08 12:54:46 <warpdesign__> hi there!
Oct 08 12:56:23 <haeffb_pre> hi where?
Oct 08 13:17:16 <warpdesign__> everywhere ;)
Oct 08 13:17:33 <warpdesign__> where are you from haeffb_pre ?
Oct 08 13:34:54 <t8> Does anyone think that mobile apps will be replaced by the mobile Web?
Oct 08 13:35:09 <t8> As in... m.youtube.com..
Oct 08 13:37:12 <t8> Any thoughts?
Oct 08 13:37:31 <t8> It seems apps right now bridge the shortcomings with mobile phones..
Oct 08 13:44:19 <torchie> shortcomings?
Oct 08 13:47:11 <t8> yes, shortcomings
Oct 08 13:52:34 <torchie> like the features that the apps provide not being built into the phone?
Oct 08 14:17:46 <HattCzech_work> morning, all
Oct 08 14:18:18 <torchie> eyo
Oct 08 14:53:01 <sugardave> omg....my cousin's psycho-bitch ex-wife (who accused me of hacking into her computer and assisting with the continued abuse of her children) is now working as a temp at my job....I'm ready to drive up there and call her out in front of her supervisor
Oct 08 14:53:06 <sugardave> need to calm down
Oct 08 14:54:30 <t8> can we talk about native apps vs mobile web?
Oct 08 14:55:19 <sugardave> I guess so
Oct 08 14:56:14 <t8> okay
Oct 08 14:56:22 <pandora--> sugardave: damn
Oct 08 14:56:26 <t8> it seems to me that the new slew of android/iphone/webos will have a better browser
Oct 08 14:56:38 <t8> so, won't apps mainly go away in 2012 or 2013? like on the desktop.
Oct 08 14:56:49 <t8> we just use a browser, save for office or photoshop
Oct 08 14:56:56 <t8> (some other apps of course)
Oct 08 14:57:03 <sugardave> t8: there will always be a space for native apps
Oct 08 14:57:15 <sugardave> pandora--: what I really want to do is quite illegal, so that's out
Oct 08 14:57:33 <pandora--> hehe
Oct 08 14:57:49 <t8> well
Oct 08 14:57:55 <sugardave> I'll have to settle for getting her fired/blacklisted
Oct 08 14:58:00 <t8> there WILL be native apps, but the most used apps will maybe be a couple dozen
Oct 08 14:58:13 <t8> the rest will be novelty... GAMES will always have a future as a native app, however
Oct 08 14:58:21 <t8> but several other apps, like mobile banking, will go awa
Oct 08 14:58:58 <sugardave> t8: webOS kind of blurs the line anyway...native (Mojo) apps ARE web apps
Oct 08 14:59:02 <BMyers> sugardave: small town?
Oct 08 14:59:06 <t8> you are right
Oct 08 15:00:16 <sugardave> BMyers: not terribly...but I think she's running out of options as it is...she's supposed to be a teacher and there is a huge shortage of them here, so I wonder why she's not teaching
Oct 08 15:00:30 <sugardave> it's because CPS has identified her as a risk to children, I think
Oct 08 15:00:47 <BMyers> ouch
Oct 08 15:01:05 <BMyers> shh, he's here. stop talking about him
Oct 08 15:01:13 <BMyers> hi haeffb_pre !!
Oct 08 15:01:16 <sugardave> heh
Oct 08 15:01:52 <BMyers> sugardave: you do apache?
Oct 08 15:02:01 <sugardave> I can install it
Oct 08 15:02:03 <BMyers> (server, not feather)
Oct 08 15:02:17 <sugardave> and armed with enough time, I can even do basic configuration
Oct 08 15:02:18 <sugardave> :D
Oct 08 15:02:35 <HattCzech_work> yay, meeting... :/
Oct 08 15:02:46 <BMyers> ever mess with mod rewrite?
Oct 08 15:03:28 <sugardave> erg, sort of....I just copy/paste the ones for Drupal that will change my webhost.com/drupal path to webhost.com
Oct 08 15:03:45 <sugardave> what are you trying to do?
Oct 08 15:04:01 <BMyers> trying some SEO stuff.
Oct 08 15:04:21 <BMyers> app.php?id=123 to a nice friendly url
Oct 08 15:04:52 <sugardave> go with Drupal, turn on clean URLs, and install the pathauto module
Oct 08 15:05:00 <sugardave> makes awesome SEO-friendly links for all your content
Oct 08 15:05:18 <BMyers> it's already something i wrote b4 drupel or joomla existed
Oct 08 15:05:29 <BMyers> in php/sql/apache
Oct 08 15:05:39 <t8> Do any of you guys use Ares to make apps?
Oct 08 15:06:03 <sugardave> BMyers: I know it can be done, but I don't know how off the top of my head
Oct 08 15:06:16 <sugardave> t8: not me, Anivrom does
Oct 08 15:06:17 <BMyers> sugardave: thats cool.  shot in the dark
Oct 08 15:06:52 <t8> Ares better/easier?
Oct 08 15:07:16 <sugardave> Ares is better from a layout perspective, for sure...and apparently its debugger and logger are top-notch
Oct 08 15:07:31 <t8> Great
Oct 08 15:07:35 <t8> I am thinking of taking the plunge
Oct 08 15:07:43 <sugardave> easier?  it depends....I think for those of us doing Mojo before Ares came out, it is confusing
Oct 08 15:07:52 <sugardave> well, for me
Oct 08 15:07:54 <sugardave> it is
Oct 08 15:08:20 <t8> i want to put nes games on webos
Oct 08 15:08:35 <sugardave> you're too late :D
Oct 08 15:08:38 <sugardave> I think
Oct 08 15:08:39 <BMyers> umm.
Oct 08 15:08:45 <sugardave> isn't there an NES emulator now?
Oct 08 15:08:49 <t8> there is?
Oct 08 15:08:49 <BMyers> t8 ever heard of preware?
Oct 08 15:08:58 <t8> yea, preware is NOT in the webos catalog
Oct 08 15:09:04 <t8> most new users dont know about preware
Oct 08 15:09:12 <t8> the important place is to get it into the catalog
Oct 08 15:09:18 <BMyers> well that might change sort of..
Oct 08 15:09:31 <BMyers> but anyway.. i see your point
Oct 08 15:09:47 <sugardave> t8: most likely when 2.0 is released and hybrid apps are supported, the current NES emulator will get in the catalog....but, who knows?
Oct 08 15:10:04 <sugardave> competition is always good, too :D
Oct 08 15:10:26 <t8> well, how could it be approved?
Oct 08 15:10:29 <t8> is palm pretty leniant?
Oct 08 15:11:39 <sugardave> as long as it follows the UI guidelines and doesn't use private API (com.palm) stuff, they pretty much don't care
Oct 08 15:11:42 <sugardave> no nudity
Oct 08 15:12:21 <t8> great
Oct 08 15:12:23 <t8> so i can make
Oct 08 15:12:26 <t8> "Cheats for Sonic"
Oct 08 15:12:31 <t8> and "Secrets for Mega Man"
Oct 08 15:12:33 <t8> and it'll be fine?
Oct 08 15:12:43 <t8> (as long it graphics comply with fair use, of course...)
Oct 08 15:14:30 <t8> I use phonegap for android, and so I probably don't comply wih the UI
Oct 08 15:16:03 <pandora--> sugardave: and your name doesn't contain the letters p-a-l-m or sound too much like it
Oct 08 15:16:29 <sugardave> pandora--: oh no, did they give you crap about Yalm?
Oct 08 15:16:45 <t8> I feel like apps are a temporary tape until... the mobile web is adopted
Oct 08 15:16:46 <pandora--> no,Yalm was the 2nd/passing name :)
Oct 08 15:16:57 <pandora--> it was initially Palmmer (Palm + Yammer)
Oct 08 15:17:05 <pandora--> but that was a big fat reject
Oct 08 15:17:19 <pandora--> so Yalm (still Palm + Yammer)
Oct 08 15:17:20 <pandora--> heh
Oct 08 15:18:08 <t8> Thoughts on Opera browser?
Oct 08 15:18:13 <t8> Seems like it could be one of the future browser
Oct 08 15:19:31 <pandora--> chrome
Oct 08 15:20:45 <sugardave> Iron
Oct 08 15:20:59 <t8> hhmm
Oct 08 15:21:00 <t8> yo, are you guys at work?
Oct 08 15:21:00 <t8> interesting
Oct 08 15:21:09 <pandora--> t8: sort of.
Oct 08 15:21:12 <sugardave> I work at home 99.99% of the time
Oct 08 15:21:16 <pandora--> t8: i work from home
Oct 08 15:21:31 <pandora--> and still having coffee. rolled out of bed 1/2 hour ago
Oct 08 15:21:56 <t8> cool
Oct 08 15:22:00 <t8> what do you do?
Oct 08 15:22:02 <t8> freelance?
Oct 08 15:22:06 <sugardave> I had to get up a little earlier today because we're having some new flooring put in in the kitchen
Oct 08 15:22:31 <torchie> I dunno, you'll have a harder time incorrectly rendering a natively-coded app than a website
Oct 08 15:22:37 <pandora--> sugardave: heh
Oct 08 15:23:25 <pandora--> t8: not freelance for me, fulltime employment. but I predated the office here in LA, and they all know I work better without needing to wander around the office socializing with people
Oct 08 15:23:34 <pandora--> so, i get a free pass to just keep working at home
Oct 08 15:23:41 <t8> that scool
Oct 08 15:23:43 <t8> what'd you do?
Oct 08 15:23:46 <t8> (industry)
Oct 08 15:23:54 <pandora--> mobile
Oct 08 15:24:00 <t8> got ya, pretty cool
Oct 08 15:24:04 <pandora--> mostly j2me
Oct 08 15:24:13 <pandora--> I work for TuneWiki
Oct 08 15:24:37 <pandora--> so, the webos app TuneWiki: Lyrics Search was by me at the day job
Oct 08 15:24:46 <pandora--> my other apps on webos are freetime stuff
Oct 08 15:24:48 <t8> cool beans
Oct 08 15:24:57 <t8> i have hundreds of android apps
Oct 08 15:25:06 <t8> all done on free time
Oct 08 15:25:13 <pandora--> trying to see if we want to build a full TuneWiki player on webos 2.0 (now that it has the apis we need)
Oct 08 15:25:20 <t8> but they are reference apps and bridge the gap for the phone
Oct 08 15:25:27 <t8> so, like a taj mahal app from wikipedia
Oct 08 15:25:33 <pandora--> t8: check out tunewiki on android, its free :)
Oct 08 15:25:40 <t8> yea, ill check it
Oct 08 15:25:42 <t8> i have an iphone 4 :P
Oct 08 15:25:49 <t8> i dont have an android phone
Oct 08 15:26:23 <pandora--> t8: it's also available and free for iphone
Oct 08 15:26:29 <t8> i dont use apps.
Oct 08 15:26:32 <t8> there's kinda pointless
Oct 08 15:26:35 <t8> i just go to the website
Oct 08 15:26:43 <t8> but yea, ill DL your app now :-)
Oct 08 15:26:55 <pandora--> it's a music player (and then some)
Oct 08 15:27:06 <pandora--> so, more than a website can offer in this case :)
Oct 08 15:27:31 <pandora--> we also recently put out Lyric Legend (iphone) which is also free. a game though
Oct 08 15:29:04 <t8> im unemployed
Oct 08 15:29:08 <t8> so mobile apps can make me some money
Oct 08 15:29:13 <t8> (via ads)
Oct 08 15:29:28 <pandora--> sure
Oct 08 15:29:31 <pandora--> or via sale
Oct 08 15:29:34 <t8> albeit, small.. but $30 can pay for food and whatever
Oct 08 15:29:37 <pandora--> my apps on webos are unfree
Oct 08 15:29:54 <pandora--> pulls in more than I would get with ads
Oct 08 15:31:06 <t8> well
Oct 08 15:31:14 <t8> depends what you offer
Oct 08 15:31:20 <t8> reference apps -> free w/ ads
Oct 08 15:31:25 <t8> if it's a game, gotta make it $$
Oct 08 15:31:28 <t8> and a free lite version
Oct 08 15:31:46 <t8> problem is, there ain't never going to be a google of mobile
Oct 08 15:31:53 <t8> glu mobile and gameloft are both public, and i look at their financial statements
Oct 08 15:32:00 <pandora--> yeah
Oct 08 15:32:04 <pandora--> even ea mobile
Oct 08 15:32:08 <t8> they get hurt on the price of licensing characters
Oct 08 15:32:09 <pandora--> did a bunch of layoffs last year
Oct 08 15:32:12 <t8> ERTS doesnt make much from mobile
Oct 08 15:32:19 <t8> ERTS.. $50 -> $15 in a couple years
Oct 08 15:32:20 <t8> deflation baby
Oct 08 15:32:37 <t8> shorting Nintendo.. also profitable
Oct 08 15:32:57 <t8> at some point, with the app nonsense dying down, shorting apple maybe profitable
Oct 08 15:33:02 <t8> Palm went from $15 -> $5
Oct 08 15:33:16 <t8> harbinger
Oct 08 15:33:25 <pandora--> lol
Oct 08 15:34:42 <t8> what fees does palm take from paypal?
Oct 08 15:35:01 <pandora--> *shrug*
Oct 08 15:35:10 <t8> im going to use my dad's paypal :D
Oct 08 15:36:07 <sugardave> t8: Palm skims before it hits PayPal...30%
Oct 08 15:36:22 <t8> well
Oct 08 15:36:24 <t8> im releasing free apps
Oct 08 15:36:43 <sugardave> then 0
Oct 08 15:37:21 <t8> im an open source dev
Oct 08 15:38:34 <t8> anywayz
Oct 08 15:39:25 <sugardave> open source != free
Oct 08 15:39:53 <t8> it seems like there are tremendous resources making iphone apps
Oct 08 15:40:14 <t8> because of android's 24 hour return policy, it's tough to make a pay for app
Oct 08 15:40:20 <t8> does the palm catalog have such a return policy?
Oct 08 15:41:33 <sugardave> I'm not sure, it may be similar
Oct 08 15:44:05 <summatusmentis> t8: from a consumer perspective, I would argue the 24-hour thing is good
Oct 08 15:44:16 <summatusmentis> vs. Apple not allowing any testing of apps before you purchase them
Oct 08 15:45:00 <renegaid> Palm has no return policy
Oct 08 15:45:05 <t8> ok
Oct 08 15:45:19 <pandora--> nope
Oct 08 15:45:26 <pandora--> i had one guy accidentally buy my app
Oct 08 15:45:35 <pandora--> then email me yelling about it and demanding a refund
Oct 08 15:45:38 <pandora--> idiot
Oct 08 15:45:39 <pandora--> lol
Oct 08 15:49:27 <t8> lol
Oct 08 15:51:12 <t8> palm lets me leave SS number blank w00t
Oct 08 15:51:27 <t8> probably a glitch whatever
Oct 08 15:52:03 <pandora--> lol
Oct 08 15:52:14 <pandora--> you should put it in there anyways
Oct 08 15:52:19 <pandora--> it's for the tax forms they send you
Oct 08 15:52:25 <pandora--> 1099s
Oct 08 15:52:42 <t8> yea but
Oct 08 15:52:44 <t8> i wont have a 1099
Oct 08 15:52:49 <t8> illl be releasing free apps
Oct 08 15:52:55 <t8> 1099 is for payments over $600
Oct 08 15:59:32 <sugardave> it's funny seeing people even more paranoid than me about the tax IDs and PayPal info
Oct 08 15:59:48 <sugardave> like that guy yesterday
Oct 08 16:00:13 <pandora--> i missed that
Oct 08 16:00:24 <pandora--> what was he worried about?
Oct 08 16:00:29 <halfhalo> hmm.... 80MB free on my mac mini
Oct 08 16:00:46 <pandora--> doh
Oct 08 16:01:27 <halfhalo> I declare today "Remove your downloads folder to get space back on your computer" day!
Oct 08 16:01:58 <halfhalo> Well, once this last thing finished downloading that is
Oct 08 16:03:10 * halfhalo wonders if there is a program to determine what is eating his space for mac
Oct 08 16:05:23 * halfhalo also wonders if he should close chrome since he has 10 windows completely filled with tabs
Oct 08 16:08:12 <halfhalo> Ok... 40GB of my 80GB drive is taken up by dropbox caching items...
Oct 08 16:10:24 <halfhalo> wait, thats a lie
Oct 08 16:10:32 <halfhalo> only 20GB was dropbox
Oct 08 16:12:25 <BMyers> sugardave:  you do regex tho right?
Oct 08 16:12:44 * halfhalo completely removes dropbox to regain his hd space
Oct 08 16:16:14 <pandora--> lol
Oct 08 16:18:00 <torchie> I will never delete my downloads folder!
Oct 08 16:18:28 <halfhalo> I am as soon as i finish this dl and move everyting to external drives
Oct 08 16:18:45 <halfhalo> BUT I did just recover 24GB by deleting my dropbox cache folder
Oct 08 16:25:13 <maik_> HI!
Oct 08 16:41:28 <maik> i've got a loop that calls another function and modifies an object.  after the loop i try to get the contents of the array but it appears that the latter is called before the loop is finished.  is that normal and is there a way to fix it?
Oct 08 16:42:16 <CTLAdvance> What kind of loop are you using?
Oct 08 16:42:41 <CTLAdvance> That should not be normal
Oct 08 16:43:22 <maik> for (x in foo) { ... }
Oct 08 16:44:09 <summatusmentis> that's... not how for loops work
Oct 08 16:44:32 <maik> sorry, brain not functioning
Oct 08 16:44:52 <summatusmentis> no no, what I'm saying is, things after for loops shouldn't be called during for loops
Oct 08 16:44:54 <maik> $(obj).each(function(index) { foo(index) });
Oct 08 16:45:04 <maik> oh, oh good
Oct 08 16:45:59 <maik> so... i just logged into my bank account and this is what shows on the page:
Oct 08 16:46:00 <maik> "); -->
Oct 08 16:51:33 <JenP> morning all!
Oct 08 16:56:48 <sugardave> BMyers: I can do basic regex, nothing real fancy
Oct 08 16:57:03 <JenP> hi sugardave
Oct 08 16:57:09 <sugardave> JenP: hi!
Oct 08 16:57:19 <BMyers> JenP:  is the regex masta
Oct 08 16:57:29 <sugardave> you're in luck!
Oct 08 16:57:30 <JenP> what's up? what regex?
Oct 08 16:57:56 <BMyers> trying to do some regex for apache stuff
Oct 08 16:58:05 <JenP> what do you need?
Oct 08 16:58:25 <BMyers> i'm close
Oct 08 16:58:26 <BMyers> ([^/]+)[^/][_]([0-9]+).html
Oct 08 16:58:55 <JenP> what are you trying to find? do you have a test sample?
Oct 08 16:59:00 <BMyers> want to capture Wife/my_great_software_123.html  $1=Wife $2=123
Oct 08 16:59:40 <sugardave> maik: did you figure out your for loop problem?
Oct 08 16:59:42 <JenP> kk one sec
Oct 08 16:59:58 <maik> sugardave: not yet, getting distracted.  i have some dieas
Oct 08 16:59:59 <JenP> Looks like you're tryig to capture two groups is this right?
Oct 08 17:00:04 <BMyers> right
Oct 08 17:00:09 <maik> i think it's getting called in the right order and i'm just being stupid
Oct 08 17:00:17 <sugardave> maik: is the function you call to modify the object an async one?
Oct 08 17:00:22 <BMyers> Category/my_great_software_123.html
Oct 08 17:00:32 <BMyers> $1 would = Category
Oct 08 17:00:39 <BMyers> $2 would = 123
Oct 08 17:00:46 <maik> ya, it's making ajax calls so the output from my callbacks is getting displayed after the line that's supposed to print the object
Oct 08 17:01:19 <sugardave> right, so that's why
Oct 08 17:01:42 <sugardave> the for loop finishes and the next thing you do runs before those ajax requests complete
Oct 08 17:03:35 <maik> yep, as i said, i'm just being stupid
Oct 08 17:06:51 <sugardave> BMyers: what about (^\w+)/.*(\d+).html
Oct 08 17:07:33 <sugardave> er ^(\w+)/.*(\d+).html
Oct 08 17:07:44 <JenP> BMyers will the second group always have underscores for spaces?
Oct 08 17:08:12 <BMyers> it'll have underscore then a number
Oct 08 17:08:16 <BMyers> then .html
Oct 08 17:08:19 <JenP> kk
Oct 08 17:08:45 <BMyers> sugardave:  doesnt work, neither one
Oct 08 17:09:06 <sugardave> bummer: \w = [A-Za-z0-9_]
Oct 08 17:09:29 <JenP> and you only want the 123 number portion in second group?
Oct 08 17:10:14 <JenP> ([A-Z]\w[\s\S]+?)[/]\w+_(\d+)[.]html
Oct 08 17:11:04 <JenP> bmyersFind = regex.replace(/([A-Z]\w[\s\S]+?)[\/]\w+_(\d+)[.]html/g, "");
Oct 08 17:11:07 <BMyers> yes. just the #'s
Oct 08 17:11:27 <sugardave> wow, that looks complex
Oct 08 17:11:36 <JenP> your return $1 will give Wife...$2 numbers
Oct 08 17:11:46 <sugardave> no wonder I suck at regex
Oct 08 17:12:03 <JenP> lol yeah but you're great everything else. I'll trade skills any day
Oct 08 17:12:32 <BMyers> hmm. not working tho..
Oct 08 17:12:37 <sugardave> oh duh, I forgot to escape my stuff
Oct 08 17:12:43 <JenP> give me your whole string
Oct 08 17:12:49 <sugardave> er ^(\w+)\/.*(\d+)\.html
Oct 08 17:13:39 <BMyers> Wife/my_great_software_123.html
Oct 08 17:13:42 <BMyers> that one?
Oct 08 17:13:54 <JenP> no like the whole line that would appear on
Oct 08 17:14:11 <BMyers> this isnt in webos js
Oct 08 17:14:23 <JenP> will Wife alway be cap?
Oct 08 17:14:28 <sugardave> php
Oct 08 17:14:33 <BMyers> maybe, maybe not
Oct 08 17:14:40 <BMyers> apache rewrite actually
Oct 08 17:14:46 <BMyers> ^(\w+)\/.*(\d+)\.html gr_view.php?category=$1&gr_id=$2
Oct 08 17:14:56 <BMyers> http://civilolydnad.se/projects/rewriterule/
Oct 08 17:14:58 <sugardave> BMyers: is the format always that way?  nothing ever prepended?
Oct 08 17:15:14 <BMyers> Wife/my_great_software_123.html
Oct 08 17:15:27 <BMyers> yup, always that way, no prepended /
Oct 08 17:16:25 <BMyers> if i put in
Oct 08 17:16:26 <BMyers>  ([^/]+)[^/][_]([0-9]+).html gr_view.php?category=$1&gr_id=$2
Oct 08 17:16:30 <torchie>  mpzomz
Oct 08 17:16:35 <JenP> bmyersFind = regex.replace(/\s(\w+?)[\/]\w+_(\d+)[.]html/g, "");
Oct 08 17:16:44 <BMyers> in the bigger white box (the rewrite rule)
Oct 08 17:17:26 <sugardave> BMyers: oh, I see now...okay, so can you see what is in $1 and $2?
Oct 08 17:17:32 <BMyers> yeah
Oct 08 17:17:41 <BMyers> and if your rule matches
Oct 08 17:17:42 <JenP> what url do we enter to run test on?
Oct 08 17:17:43 <sugardave> with either of our regexes
Oct 08 17:17:55 <BMyers> Wife/my_great_software_123.html
Oct 08 17:18:10 <BMyers> category=Wife gr_id=123
Oct 08 17:18:18 <sugardave> so it is working?
Oct 08 17:18:22 <BMyers> no
Oct 08 17:18:27 <BMyers> that what i should be getting
Oct 08 17:18:41 <sugardave> okay, what is in $1 and $2 with JenP's regexp?
Oct 08 17:18:42 <oilsworkn> wife/my_great_software_123.html?>
Oct 08 17:18:44 <BMyers> and i get category=my_great_softare
Oct 08 17:18:45 <sugardave> or mine
Oct 08 17:18:47 * oilsworkn is interrested what is on that page
Oct 08 17:18:53 <sugardave> hahaha
Oct 08 17:19:18 <BMyers> sugardave: its crashes with jenps regex
Oct 08 17:19:27 <BMyers> what the regex only part of that?
Oct 08 17:19:29 <oilsworkn> mmm regex
Oct 08 17:19:34 <oilsworkn> tastes like candy
Oct 08 17:19:34 <BMyers> i hate regex
Oct 08 17:19:40 <BMyers> and
Oct 08 17:19:42 <BMyers> it hates me
Oct 08 17:19:51 <BMyers> mutual
Oct 08 17:20:01 <JenP> lol...(Wife)[\/](my_great_software_123)[.]html if i put that in I should suceed right?
Oct 08 17:20:02 <oilsworkn> <3 regex
Oct 08 17:20:32 <BMyers> yup
Oct 08 17:20:35 <BMyers> that works
Oct 08 17:20:44 <BMyers> o
Oct 08 17:20:45 <BMyers> no
Oct 08 17:20:48 <JenP> it failed for me....what did you put in to get it to suceed?
Oct 08 17:20:48 <BMyers> almost
Oct 08 17:21:02 <BMyers> gr_id = my_great_softare_123
Oct 08 17:21:06 <BMyers> should only be 123
Oct 08 17:21:23 <BMyers> (Wife)[\/](my_great_software_123)[.]html  gr_view.php?category=$1&gr_id=$2
Oct 08 17:21:30 <BMyers> paste that into the big white box
Oct 08 17:21:37 <oilsworkn> ohh, big white boxes
Oct 08 17:21:47 <oilsworkn> this mod_rewrite'n?
Oct 08 17:21:48 <BMyers> not the blue box...
Oct 08 17:21:51 <BMyers> :)
Oct 08 17:21:55 <BMyers> myst
Oct 08 17:21:58 <JenP> Resulting URL: No rules matched your query ' Wife/my_great_software_123.html'.
Oct 08 17:22:15 <oilsworkn> myst?
Oct 08 17:22:19 <oilsworkn> isn't that a video game?
Oct 08 17:22:24 <BMyers> (Wife)[\/](my_great_software_123)[.]html  gr_view.php?category=$1&gr_id=$2
Oct 08 17:22:41 <sugardave> did it work?
Oct 08 17:23:09 <BMyers> almost, i get the my_great..._123 when i should just get 123 for $2
Oct 08 17:23:15 <sugardave> right
Oct 08 17:23:42 <sugardave> (Wife)\/my_great_softrware_(123)\.html will work
Oct 08 17:24:14 <oilsworkn> that.... is not like any regex ive written :/
Oct 08 17:24:23 <sugardave> it's being tested
Oct 08 17:24:30 <BMyers> it doesnt
Oct 08 17:25:04 <JenP> do you need this regex as Perl or js?
Oct 08 17:25:21 <sugardave> oilsworkn: I think this should work: ^(\w+)\/.*(\d+)\.html
Oct 08 17:25:49 <oilsworkn> that looks ok
Oct 08 17:26:09 <sugardave> but he said it doesn't work :(
Oct 08 17:26:23 <BMyers> it doesnt, but it does look nice..
Oct 08 17:26:27 <sugardave> heh
Oct 08 17:26:44 <BMyers> i'd be impressed if i could come up with that
Oct 08 17:26:51 <BMyers> despite the fact
Oct 08 17:27:02 <oilsworkn> regex is very simple :)
Oct 08 17:27:12 <BMyers> maybe thats why i dont get it
Oct 08 17:27:13 <JenP> i don't get results from this thing at ll
Oct 08 17:27:35 <oilsworkn> this is for js (i assume?)
Oct 08 17:27:48 <BMyers> apache (server, not feather)
Oct 08 17:27:57 <oilsworkn> mod_rewrite?
Oct 08 17:28:02 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 08 17:28:03 <BMyers> bingo
Oct 08 17:28:29 <oilsworkn> oh, mod_rewrite is terribly complicated, lol
Oct 08 17:28:34 <BMyers> Jenp, in the white box do you have the other part?
Oct 08 17:28:45 <BMyers> (Wife)[\/](my_great_software_123)[.]html gr_view.php?category=$1&gr_id=$2
Oct 08 17:28:56 <BMyers> that whole line in the big white box
Oct 08 17:29:09 <BMyers> and this as the url
Oct 08 17:29:09 <BMyers> Wife/my_great_software_123.html
Oct 08 17:30:36 <JenP> yeah...this was the result Resulting URL: gr_view.php?category=
Oct 08 17:30:50 <sugardave> ([A-Za-z]+)\/[A-Za-z_]+([0-9]+)\.html
Oct 08 17:31:17 <JenP> so looking at what you gave me I'm not even getting results for the exact string...
Oct 08 17:31:39 <BMyers> sugardave: i think that might work
Oct 08 17:31:43 <JenP> ok need a space before the &gr
Oct 08 17:32:24 <sugardave> if it does, that means mod_rewrite doesn't like class shortcuts?
Oct 08 17:32:25 <maik> this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); is failing but there aren't any errors to be seen :(
Oct 08 17:32:36 <BMyers> it works..
Oct 08 17:32:55 <BMyers> at least the test interface it works
Oct 08 17:33:16 <BMyers> MUH AH AH AH. My plan to take over the world is one step closer now!!
Oct 08 17:33:16 <oilsworkn> ^([^/]+)\/.*_([^.]+)\.html
Oct 08 17:33:29 <BMyers> doesnt have to be pretty..
Oct 08 17:33:47 <JenP> lolso this works?  ([A-Za-z]+)\/[A-Za-z_]+([0-9]+)\.html gr_view.php?category= $1 &gr_id=$2
Oct 08 17:34:02 <BMyers> yes, no space &gr tho
Oct 08 17:34:14 <BMyers> oilsworkn:  that works too it seems
Oct 08 17:34:23 <oilsworkn> magical
Oct 08 17:34:36 <JenP> i can't even get that to work
Oct 08 17:34:41 <BMyers> the one that sugardave  make it easier for ding dongs like me to understand whats happening
Oct 08 17:34:42 <oilsworkn> sugardaves looks better though
Oct 08 17:34:59 <oilsworkn> though it assumes its never wife1/
Oct 08 17:35:05 <oilsworkn> since it wont pickup a number :)
Oct 08 17:35:09 <sugardave> right
Oct 08 17:35:12 <JenP> ahhh got it stupid paste put spaces in weird places
Oct 08 17:35:14 <oilsworkn> where [not /]+
Oct 08 17:35:20 <oilsworkn> will match everything before the first /
Oct 08 17:35:29 <sugardave> that's why I had tried \w
Oct 08 17:35:38 <oilsworkn> ([^/]+) ftw :)
Oct 08 17:35:50 <sugardave> what is that
Oct 08 17:36:00 <BMyers> what if the first part had a _ in it ?
Oct 08 17:36:01 <oilsworkn> everything before /
Oct 08 17:36:09 <sugardave> to me ^ means beginning of line, but I know it can mean other things
Oct 08 17:36:14 <oilsworkn> ^ also means "not"
Oct 08 17:36:16 <BMyers> ([A-Za-z_]+)
Oct 08 17:36:23 <sugardave> BMyers: then just put the underscore inside
Oct 08 17:36:24 <sugardave> yep
Oct 08 17:36:37 <sugardave> but do you want to match it or discard it?
Oct 08 17:36:45 <BMyers> match it
Oct 08 17:36:53 <BMyers> in the first capture
Oct 08 17:36:53 <maik> ! means not, anyone who says otherwise is a damn liar
Oct 08 17:36:59 <sugardave> so category = thing_
Oct 08 17:37:08 <BMyers> or thing1_thing2
Oct 08 17:37:19 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 08 17:37:19 <oilsworkn> ^ means not in regex when its inside a grouping thing
Oct 08 17:37:37 <sugardave> oilsworkn: but not inside a class inside a group?
Oct 08 17:37:39 <maik> ah yes
Oct 08 17:37:43 <sugardave> *confused even more now*
Oct 08 17:37:43 <BMyers> regex always makes me thing my cat was cleaner her butt and my keyboard while i was walking the dog..
Oct 08 17:37:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:37:53 <maik> hah
Oct 08 17:38:03 <JenP> lol
Oct 08 17:38:10 <BMyers> just random splats of jibberish
Oct 08 17:38:13 <sugardave> hehe
Oct 08 17:38:40 <BMyers> thanks folks
Oct 08 17:39:39 <BMyers> now its time to see if apache will actually work with that
Oct 08 17:39:43 <sugardave> oilsworkn: oh I see...grouped in that class ^ means "everything that's not a /"
Oct 08 17:39:46 * oilsworkn is still wondering about bmyers wifes great software
Oct 08 17:39:56 <oilsworkn> sugardave: yeah
Oct 08 17:40:08 <BMyers> no real names were used in that demonstration
Oct 08 17:40:09 * oilsworkn uses it like that a lot
Oct 08 17:40:29 <sugardave> yeah, that's cool and has been put at the top of my minimal regex heap
Oct 08 17:40:30 <JenP> ugh i think i'm gonna have to reformat my pc...i hate having to do that
Oct 08 17:40:34 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:40:41 <oilsworkn> its really good for html
Oct 08 17:40:45 <oilsworkn> when you want everything before <
Oct 08 17:40:45 <sugardave> no doubt
Oct 08 17:41:03 * oilsworkn reformats jenps pc with a carefully constructed regex
Oct 08 17:41:09 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:41:10 <JenP> lol
Oct 08 17:41:11 <sugardave> haha
Oct 08 17:42:36 <JenP> for some reason in the last move my audio no longer works
Oct 08 17:42:53 <oilsworkn> speakers plugged in?
Oct 08 17:43:06 <JenP> smiles...and computers even turned on...
Oct 08 17:43:34 <sugardave> one time I moved a machine and I plugged the speakers into the audio-in
Oct 08 17:43:48 <sugardave> and it took me about an hour to figure it out
Oct 08 17:43:49 <oilsworkn> gotta ask the simple questions at the start of trouble shooting
Oct 08 17:43:59 <oilsworkn> or you end up spending an hour trying all the non-obvious problems
Oct 08 17:44:09 <JenP> nodnod
Oct 08 17:48:31 <oilsworkn> i got the dang bedroom intruder song stuck in my head for some reason
Oct 08 17:48:44 <JenP> bedroom intruder?
Oct 08 17:48:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:49:24 <oilsworkn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw
Oct 08 17:52:04 <JenP> woot fixed it!
Oct 08 17:52:05 <oilsworkn> and if it gets stuck in your head, im sorry
Oct 08 17:52:15 <oilsworkn> was it... unplugged?
Oct 08 17:52:20 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 08 17:52:28 <oilsworkn> i guess you need speakers to listen to the song on youtube
Oct 08 17:52:29 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:52:39 <JenP> what the heck...i like the subtitles
Oct 08 17:52:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:53:36 <JenP> omg oilsworkn...i can see how that would get stuck in your head
Oct 08 17:53:55 <oilsworkn> "run and tell that! run and tell that!
Oct 08 17:53:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 17:54:10 <JenP> lol
Oct 08 17:56:29 <oilsworkn> so who is workin on apps?
Oct 08 17:56:40 <JenP> me!
Oct 08 17:56:49 <oilsworkn> whats your app?
Oct 08 17:56:57 <JenP> I am trying to find a memory leak
Oct 08 17:57:03 <sugardave> I'm about to start working on Real Time again
Oct 08 17:57:10 <JenP> oh it's the "Tasy Weather Toons" app...almost done
Oct 08 17:57:50 <oilsworkn> sugardave: not "rodtime"?
Oct 08 17:57:55 <sugardave> haha, no
Oct 08 17:57:57 <oilsworkn> tasty weather toons?
Oct 08 17:58:18 <sugardave> it's like cupcake backgrounds and local weather
Oct 08 17:58:26 <JenP> yup...it's a take on the "naked weather girl"
Oct 08 17:58:33 <sugardave> "like" cupcakces
Oct 08 17:58:34 <oilsworkn> ah
Oct 08 17:58:36 <JenP> nodnod
Oct 08 18:01:14 * oilsworkn wishes he was working on an app
Oct 08 18:04:07 <sugardave> work on one
Oct 08 18:04:16 <oilsworkn> oh, someone brought in a laptop and was all "i was browsing porn and now my computer is infected"
Oct 08 18:04:25 <sugardave> ha
Oct 08 18:04:30 <oilsworkn> lol, no, thats not really what he said
Oct 08 18:04:31 <JenP> hahahhah
Oct 08 18:04:32 <sugardave> noob
Oct 08 18:04:34 <oilsworkn> but its definately what happened
Oct 08 18:04:39 <oilsworkn> these things just "magically happen"
Oct 08 18:04:54 <oilsworkn> "i dont know where all these porn popups are coming from!"
Oct 08 18:04:59 <oilsworkn> "ive never looked at porn"
Oct 08 18:05:06 <sugardave> except these popups
Oct 08 18:05:08 <oilsworkn> "you mean, except for the popups?"
Oct 08 18:05:09 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 18:05:15 <JenP> lol
Oct 08 18:05:58 <sugardave> "Oh, don't worry...that's not 'porn' to me, let me show you something..."
Oct 08 18:06:21 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 18:06:24 <oilsworkn> believe it or not
Oct 08 18:06:30 <oilsworkn> one guy did actually admit to looking at porn
Oct 08 18:06:35 <oilsworkn> but did blame it on his friends
Oct 08 18:06:36 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 08 18:06:45 <sugardave> my friends made me look at porn
Oct 08 18:06:47 <sugardave> nice
Oct 08 18:06:53 <halfhalo> you should remove ie.  problem solved
Oct 08 18:08:42 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 18:08:51 <oilsworkn> they should stop looking at porn on company machines
Oct 08 18:08:58 <oilsworkn> problem solved
Oct 08 18:09:10 <halfhalo> like THAT will ever happen
Oct 08 18:09:42 <sugardave> yeah, that's not happening
Oct 08 18:10:20 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 18:11:37 <torchie> company machines are the only good machines for porning
Oct 08 18:13:01 <oilsworkn> well we know where torchie went
Oct 08 18:13:07 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 08 18:13:38 <oilsworkn> oh, free security scan software?
Oct 08 18:13:44 <oilsworkn> oh, you found some viruses boy?
Oct 08 18:13:53 <halfhalo> shocker!
Oct 08 18:14:06 <oilsworkn> oh, i have to buy the full deluxe version to remove them?
Oct 08 18:14:13 <halfhalo> doitdoitdoit
Oct 08 18:14:14 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 18:14:20 <halfhalo> you get a discount if you email them your ssn
Oct 08 18:16:12 <oilsworkn> oh, bbqaswvfadbw.exe
Oct 08 18:16:16 <oilsworkn> that looks legit
Oct 08 18:17:03 <halfhalo> the programmer sneezed while typing in the name, thats all
Oct 08 18:17:34 <oilsworkn> does that really ever happen?
Oct 08 18:17:39 <halfhalo> yes
Oct 08 18:17:42 <halfhalo> all the time
Oct 08 18:17:45 * oilsworkn has never done it
Oct 08 18:20:03 * oilsworkn hopes sugardaves time app has easteregg where it says "rodtime" instead of "realtime"
Oct 08 18:20:20 <halfhalo> hah
Oct 08 18:20:29 <oilsworkn> and plays an audioclip of rwhitby saying "webawse"
Oct 08 18:21:19 <oilsworkn> speaking of which, i thought we were going on the webos roundup devcast or something
Oct 08 18:21:23 <oilsworkn> nothing ever happened there
Oct 08 18:21:44 * oilsworkn must not be cool enough
Oct 08 18:21:46 * oilsworkn will try harder
Oct 08 18:24:28 * oilsworkn goes to fix a printer
Oct 08 18:36:58 <pandora--> who wrote Match'em?
Oct 08 18:37:09 <pandora--> i forget
Oct 08 18:37:15 <JenP> pre101
Oct 08 18:37:34 <pandora--> ah
Oct 08 18:38:32 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: connecting the dots slowly... thanks for the headsup on Yalm
Oct 08 18:38:42 <pandora--> Roy-Pre101: stupid edge case.
Oct 08 18:44:15 <t8> pandora, do you have a pre?
Oct 08 19:34:23 <sugardave> rwhitby: ping
Oct 08 19:35:05 <maik> what's the best way to see the attributes of a JS object?
Oct 08 19:35:07 <maik> in text
Oct 08 19:35:11 <Roy-Pre101> pandora--: Think you got it sorted out?
Oct 08 19:35:46 <Roy-Pre101> Bah, the latest UberKernel won't install for me!
Oct 08 19:36:35 <maik> like, the opposite of toJSON
Oct 08 19:37:38 <halfhalo> JSON.stringify?
Oct 08 19:37:52 * halfhalo dunnos if that works in mojo
Oct 08 19:39:10 <maik> negative, ghostrider
Oct 08 19:40:13 <sugardave> maik: Object.toJSON(theObject);
Oct 08 19:41:04 <maik> thanks, dave
Oct 08 19:42:14 <maik> so my app is barfing on this.controller.modelChanged(foo);
Oct 08 19:42:30 <sugardave> what's in it?
Oct 08 19:42:31 <maik> no errors in log that i can see, it just stops processing once it comes to that :/
Oct 08 19:42:41 <sugardave> is it huge?
Oct 08 19:42:50 <maik> a 5-item array
Oct 08 19:43:20 <sugardave> that's not huge
Oct 08 19:43:33 <maik> using model.items.push(obj) and then calling modelChanged
Oct 08 19:43:35 <maik> not at all
Oct 08 19:44:23 <sugardave> you're pushing them all first and then calling modelChanged, yeah?
Oct 08 19:44:26 <maik> is there some other logging i should enable?  i feel like i'm not getting everything.  logLevel is set to 99
Oct 08 19:44:30 <sugardave> not one after the other
Oct 08 19:44:47 <maik> well...
Oct 08 19:45:10 <sugardave> are these ajax results, then?
Oct 08 19:45:15 <maik> yes
Oct 08 19:45:46 <oil> hey, a wircer
Oct 08 19:45:46 <sugardave> so are you running this.controll.modelChanged(foo) inside the success handler?
Oct 08 19:45:49 <sugardave> might be a binding issue
Oct 08 19:45:54 <maik> i get a small list and iterate through it using a for...each.  in that loop the function that push()es gets called and afaik that's the best place to do a modelChanged as well
Oct 08 19:45:57 <oil> ahhh, scope
Oct 08 19:46:26 <maik> er i guess one more layer of abstraction, the for...each calls another ajax request and then yes, modelChanged fires in the Success method
Oct 08 19:46:30 <sugardave> for () {push}; modelChanged
Oct 08 19:46:46 <sugardave> can you pastebin it?
Oct 08 19:46:55 <maik> maybe
Oct 08 19:47:15 <BenUK> hi, what's the best way to store prefs in webos? thanks
Oct 08 19:47:37 <sugardave> less than 4K of prefs, use a Cookie
Oct 08 19:47:51 <oil> cookies ftw
Oct 08 19:48:25 <BenUK> ok thanks, its just to store an option in a patch
Oct 08 19:50:36 <whoolio> My update to an app was accepted...but the app is gone from the app catalog...anyone ever expereince this?
Oct 08 19:51:43 * BenUK goes to do some research on webos101
Oct 08 20:08:14 <maik> shouldn't i be some some errors if modelChanged failes?
Oct 08 20:18:34 <sugardave> maik: maybe....wrap a try/catch around it and see if there's something really weird happening
Oct 08 20:32:55 <maik>     try {
Oct 08 20:32:56 <maik>         this.controller.modelChanged(this.itemsModel);
Oct 08 20:32:56 <maik>     } catch (err) {
Oct 08 20:32:57 <maik>         Mojo.Log.info("Error: ",err.description);
Oct 08 20:32:59 <maik>     }
Oct 08 20:33:10 <maik> log shows "Error: "
Oct 08 20:33:14 <maik> so nothing in the description
Oct 08 20:36:11 <maik> oh, err.name is TypeError
Oct 08 20:36:12 <oilsworkn> :/
Oct 08 20:36:44 <maik> oh, err.message: "Cannot call method 'modelChanged' of undefined"
Oct 08 20:37:09 <maik> so this.controller" is undefined at this point?
Oct 08 20:37:14 <maik> -"
Oct 08 20:41:05 <oilsworkn> scope
Oct 08 20:43:24 <oilsworkn> pastebin it
Oct 08 20:43:40 <maik> context in JS is not something i've ever really understood
Oct 08 20:43:43 <maik> can't really
Oct 08 20:44:34 <oilsworkn> cant really what, understand or pastebin?
Oct 08 20:44:44 <maik> pastebin, sorry
Oct 08 20:44:56 <oilsworkn> why not?
Oct 08 20:45:29 <maik> it's jumbled and i'm lazy... let me see if i can clean it up
Oct 08 20:45:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 20:46:03 <oilsworkn> well, if you pastebin it, ill look and tell you what you need to do :)
Oct 08 20:50:05 <sugardave> maik: basically, whatever function is running that statement, when you call that function you should bind this at that time
Oct 08 20:50:44 <maik> it's an onSuccess from an Ajax call, and i have .bind(this) at the end of it
Oct 08 20:51:03 <sugardave> maik: but when you call that ajax function
Oct 08 20:51:14 <sugardave> is it ajax() or ajax.bind(this)
Oct 08 20:51:16 <sugardave> ?
Oct 08 20:51:25 <maik> the former
Oct 08 20:51:34 <sugardave> try the other and see what you get
Oct 08 20:51:39 <maik> and it probably doesn't help that it's called from another ajax function
Oct 08 20:51:49 <sugardave> right
Oct 08 20:51:52 <oilsworkn> as long as the other ajax function is bind'ed as well
Oct 08 20:51:56 <sugardave> so those have to bind this, too
Oct 08 20:52:32 <oilsworkn> and if you use something like array.each(function(){})
Oct 08 20:52:35 <oilsworkn> you need to bind that, too
Oct 08 20:52:43 <sugardave> each is special, though
Oct 08 20:53:00 <sugardave> it's: .each(function(){}, this);
Oct 08 20:53:35 * oilsworkn has always done .each(function(){}.bind(this));
Oct 08 20:53:54 <sugardave> cool, 2 ways :D
Oct 08 20:53:54 * oilsworkn didn't know about the second variable
Oct 08 20:54:00 <oilsworkn> though, really
Oct 08 20:54:06 <oilsworkn> i normally for(){}
Oct 08 20:54:10 <oilsworkn> so i dont have to worry
Oct 08 20:54:38 <sugardave> yeah, I like each though :D
Oct 08 20:55:41 * sugardave thinks maik is making progress.
Oct 08 20:56:21 <maik> it's worse now...somehow
Oct 08 20:56:32 <sugardave> that's anti-progress
Oct 08 20:56:34 <haeffb_pre> progress!
Oct 08 20:56:34 <sugardave> Congress
Oct 08 20:58:48 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 20:58:49 <oilsworkn> pastebin!
Oct 08 20:59:36 <halfhalo> yourabin!
Oct 08 21:00:05 <halfhalo> hmmm... that does not make as much sense as it did in my head
Oct 08 21:05:46 <oilsworkn> yeah, jokefail for sure
Oct 08 21:08:51 <maik> i guess i don't understand why references to this.fooModel works but this.controller doesn't
Oct 08 21:09:10 <maik> this.fooModel points to the right model without any issues
Oct 08 21:09:19 <HattCzech_work> this.controller isn't available everywhere
Oct 08 21:09:36 <HattCzech_work> which is sometimes quite irritating
Oct 08 21:10:07 <maik> ya...
Oct 08 21:10:17 * oilsworkn passes his assistant to his models
Oct 08 21:10:25 <oilsworkn> so controller is everywhere!
Oct 08 21:15:39 * oilsworkn still doesn't see pastebin linkage
Oct 08 21:15:40 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 08 21:15:55 <maik> sorry, i'm too busy crying
Oct 08 21:17:14 <HattCzech_work> maik: wash away those tears with alcohol
Oct 08 21:17:23 <maik> IT BURNS!!!!!!!
Oct 08 21:17:31 <HattCzech_work> unless you're a sad drunk, then scratch that
Oct 08 21:17:40 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 21:17:42 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
Oct 08 21:17:48 <maik> oh i am very much a happy drunk, but pouring alcohol into my eyes doesn't fix anything
Oct 08 21:17:49 <maik> asshole :(
Oct 08 21:18:02 <oilsworkn> but pastebin'ing will help!
Oct 08 21:18:34 <maik> ok, here it comes
Oct 08 21:18:46 * oilsworkn braces
Oct 08 21:19:34 <dohtem> 'allo
Oct 08 21:19:36 <maik> http://webos.pastebin.com/wM6jtPY7
Oct 08 21:19:41 <dohtem> 'allo 'allo!
Oct 08 21:19:48 <maik> name's bruce!
Oct 08 21:20:22 * oilsworkn browses code
Oct 08 21:20:41 <maik> whats a couple of bites like you doing out so late?
Oct 08 21:22:18 <oilsworkn> MainAssistant.prototype.getErrorDetails(error);
Oct 08 21:22:23 * oilsworkn has never seen that done before
Oct 08 21:22:45 * oilsworkn thinks thats your problem
Oct 08 21:23:12 <maik> that's the name of my function, just roll with it
Oct 08 21:23:17 <oilsworkn> json.each(function(error) {this.getErrorDetails(error);}, this);
Oct 08 21:23:21 <oilsworkn> according to sugardave
Oct 08 21:23:28 <maik> sugardave's a damn liar
Oct 08 21:23:43 * maik fiddles
Oct 08 21:23:56 <oilsworkn> or
Oct 08 21:23:57 <oilsworkn> json.each(function(error) {this.getErrorDetails(error);}.bind(this));
Oct 08 21:24:06 <BMyers> he is
Oct 08 21:24:09 <oilsworkn> if sugardave is wrong :)
Oct 08 21:24:46 <oilsworkn> that is definately where your scope was being broken in half
Oct 08 21:25:11 <oilsworkn> and why this.something worked when this.controller did not
Oct 08 21:25:43 <maik> well hot damn
Oct 08 21:25:52 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 21:26:12 <oilsworkn> dont call your functions like that :)
Oct 08 21:26:39 <maik> well it wasn't working the other way, i guess i should have looked to .bind(this) first
Oct 08 21:26:42 <maik> on the .each
Oct 08 21:26:46 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 08 21:26:56 <oilsworkn> or make things easy on yourself and use a for loop
Oct 08 21:27:06 <oilsworkn> which doesnt fumble your scope
Oct 08 21:27:12 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 21:27:12 * dohtem is still confused about when to use .bind(this)
Oct 08 21:27:36 <oilsworkn> dohtem: some of the time?
Oct 08 21:27:54 <oilsworkn> if its a callback, always
Oct 08 21:27:55 <oilsworkn> well
Oct 08 21:28:01 <oilsworkn> unless your function doesn't care about "this"
Oct 08 21:28:43 <dohtem> you have contributed to my confusion!
Oct 08 21:28:48 <oilsworkn> and with .each
Oct 08 21:28:50 <oilsworkn> you need it
Oct 08 21:28:54 <oilsworkn> if you want to keep your scope
Oct 08 21:28:55 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 21:29:01 * oilsworkn doesn't know how to explain it
Oct 08 21:29:06 * oilsworkn is a terrible terrible programmer
Oct 08 21:29:45 <maik> WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers. ...
Oct 08 21:29:54 <oilsworkn> thats a whole nother problem
Oct 08 21:29:55 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 21:30:04 <maik> so it's not erroring, which is good, but the list isn't updating for whatever reason.  not sure if that's related
Oct 08 21:30:28 <oilsworkn> which modelChanged is it in the pastebin?
Oct 08 21:30:41 <oilsworkn> line 165?
Oct 08 21:31:10 <maik> yes
Oct 08 21:31:30 <oilsworkn> ok
Oct 08 21:31:49 <oilsworkn> delete line 18 through 21
Oct 08 21:32:05 <oilsworkn> and put it in your initialize function (line 8)
Oct 08 21:32:13 <HattCzech_work> adios, all
Oct 08 21:32:18 <maik> nope, i've got my object names mixed up
Oct 08 21:32:21 <HattCzech_work> have a good weekend
Oct 08 21:32:24 <oilsworkn> this.errorListItemsModel = { listTitle: "Error List", items: []};
Oct 08 21:32:45 <maik> look at the model in 165
Oct 08 21:32:50 <maik> errorListModelItems
Oct 08 21:33:43 <maik> i'll still put that in initialize though, if that's where it's supposed to be
Oct 08 21:33:47 <oilsworkn> yeah, typo is bad
Oct 08 21:34:58 <oilsworkn> maybe there is no difference on where that object is setup
Oct 08 21:34:59 <oilsworkn> idk
Oct 08 21:36:30 <maik> i don't think so, it's less typing and more manageable though :)
Oct 08 21:39:48 <maik> thanks for your help, guys
Oct 08 21:40:03 <oilsworkn> np
Oct 08 21:53:27 <dawm> erm
Oct 08 21:53:57 <dawm> one of my apps logged a device called Broadway on ROW
Oct 08 21:54:23 * oilsworkn GASPS
Oct 08 21:55:34 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 08 21:56:03 <dawm> hrm
Oct 08 21:56:08 <dawm> webOS Version: Nova-Blowfish
Oct 08 21:56:29 <rwhitby> dawm: which app?
Oct 08 21:56:36 <dawm> swapndrop trial
Oct 08 21:57:53 <oilsworkn> its punk kids messing with your mind
Oct 08 21:58:12 <dawm> serial number is bunk
Oct 08 21:58:17 <dawm> 320x400 res
Oct 08 21:58:58 <dawm> but it has an additional string
Oct 08 21:59:10 <oilsworkn> fake: true?
Oct 08 21:59:16 <dawm> "swappableBattery": false
Oct 08 21:59:46 <oilsworkn> OH NOES!
Oct 08 21:59:56 <oilsworkn> what will i brag to iphoners about?
Oct 08 22:00:25 <halfhalo> the fact you can make calls without a case?
Oct 08 22:00:53 <dawm> wait there was another
Oct 08 22:01:06 <dawm> webOS Version: Nova-Barleywine
Oct 08 22:01:57 <dawm> "modelName": "(Device)", "modelNameAscii": "Device", "platformVersion": "Nova-Barleywine", ... "keyboardType": "AZERTY_FR", ... "swappableBattery": false
Oct 08 22:02:28 <dawm> same ip (doesnt resolve)
Oct 08 22:04:15 <sugardave> they're future devices from the future
Oct 08 22:04:39 <sugardave> and Prototype's API docs will back me up with .each(function(){}, this);
Oct 08 22:04:49 <rwhitby> azerty_fr means SFR France
Oct 08 22:05:21 <sugardave> rwhitby: now I see the inherent problem with your dream time app
Oct 08 22:05:33 <maik> damn you Frazer McLean!
Oct 08 22:05:45 <sugardave> there is no way to take a Date object and 'apply' an arbitrary timezone to it
Oct 08 22:06:11 <halfhalo> Ok, dropbox shall die because EVERY Time someone adds or removes something it caches the item in another folder, eating up my disk spacwe
Oct 08 22:06:34 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: USE WEB INTERFACE, DELETE CRAPPY SOFTWARE
Oct 08 22:06:50 <rwhitby> +1
Oct 08 22:07:03 <oilsworkn> sugardave: do it with timestamp
Oct 08 22:07:07 <oilsworkn> and add/remove seconds
Oct 08 22:07:30 <sugardave> oilsworkn: that works, but how do I say if a particular tz which supports dst is in dst or not?
Oct 08 22:07:38 <sugardave> that's the trick
Oct 08 22:08:01 <oilsworkn> hmm
Oct 08 22:08:12 <oilsworkn> well, i assume you're going to create a large object of timezones/offsets
Oct 08 22:08:23 <sugardave> I was trying not to
Oct 08 22:08:26 <oilsworkn> oh
Oct 08 22:08:26 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 08 22:08:28 <sugardave> but now it looks like I will :D
Oct 08 22:08:44 <oilsworkn> obviously include a "custom" option along with the predefined ones
Oct 08 22:08:50 <sugardave> at least a db of them
Oct 08 22:08:55 <oilsworkn> eww
Oct 08 22:08:59 <oilsworkn> get yo db outta here
Oct 08 22:09:14 <sugardave> there are a lot of timezone city selections
Oct 08 22:09:34 <sugardave> plus their differences when they switch
Oct 08 22:09:59 <oilsworkn> well, im not working on the app, so my fear of db updates isn't really an issue :)
Oct 08 22:10:12 <sugardave> the real problem here is that the source file is zipped, so I can't just download it, parse it to get the rules and go
Oct 08 22:10:55 <sugardave> oilsworkn: fear db updates?  to the data or the schema?  I try not to do schema updates :D
Oct 08 22:12:02 <oilsworkn> schema
Oct 08 22:12:03 * oilsworkn shudders
Oct 08 22:12:06 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 08 22:12:08 <sugardave> lame
Oct 08 22:13:30 <oilsworkn> you're getting the tz's from the web?
Oct 08 22:13:34 <oilsworkn> not including them with the app?
Oct 08 22:13:42 <oilsworkn> its not like they change all that much is it?
Oct 08 22:16:48 * oilsworkn wonders if "rodtime" is in a repo somewhere?
Oct 08 22:38:12 <haeffb> boo! maik deleted his pastebin before I could look at it and laugh!
Oct 08 22:38:54 * oilsworkn has it copied into notepad, re-pastebins it for haeffb 
Oct 08 22:39:03 <haeffb> maik: use Mojo.Log.info("My object %j", myObject);
Oct 08 22:39:06 <haeffb> woo!
Oct 08 22:40:42 <oilsworkn> i was joking
Oct 08 22:45:02 <haeffb> boo!
Oct 08 22:58:18 <maik> haha
Oct 08 22:58:20 <SineOt> hm :c been 12 days since I emailed PDC@palm.com about the developer device program, still haven't heard anything back!
Oct 08 22:58:29 <maik> haeffb: thanks for that too
Oct 08 23:01:10 <Anivrom> http://www.cafepress.ca/+programmer_ash_grey,42356759 lmfao
Oct 08 23:03:40 <Anivrom> http://www.cafepress.ca/+good_programmer_225_button,268252725       ... its funny cause it's true..
Oct 08 23:07:42 <SineOt> has anyone else contacted the PDC about the developer device program and heard back from them?
Oct 08 23:08:11 <JenP> yes. they were very nice
Oct 08 23:08:46 <SineOt> how long did it take to get a reply?
Oct 08 23:09:13 <JenP> idk...i just recently got the reply.
Oct 08 23:09:20 <SineOt> when did you send it?
Oct 08 23:09:30 <JenP> when the newletter came out
Oct 08 23:09:39 <SineOt> hm
Oct 08 23:16:43 <sugardave> new vinyl floor already ruined when moving the refrigerator back in
Oct 08 23:16:45 <sugardave> awesome
Oct 08 23:18:20 <dohtem> sue them!
Oct 08 23:18:43 <SineOt> at least vinyl is easier to patch than stone!
Oct 08 23:18:54 <sugardave> dohtem: we moved the stuff
Oct 08 23:19:04 <dohtem> oh
Oct 08 23:19:07 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 08 23:19:17 <dohtem> let your wife blame it on you :)
Oct 08 23:19:21 <SineOt> do you have any extra of the vinyl flooring?
Oct 08 23:19:30 <sugardave> "premium resilient vinyl" my ass
Oct 08 23:19:46 <sugardave> SineOt: yeah, but I'm not really sure I'm cut out for patching it
Oct 08 23:19:49 <sugardave> get it?
Oct 08 23:19:54 <sugardave> har
Oct 08 23:19:55 <dohtem> pun
Oct 08 23:19:57 <SineOt> :V
Oct 08 23:20:15 <dohtem> wait, Meta-Doctor lets you still use the catalog?
Oct 08 23:23:43 <rwhitby> dohtem: yes, if the device has previously been activated
Oct 08 23:23:57 <dohtem> ah, i see
Oct 08 23:24:13 <rwhitby> or if you have a palm profile that you can log into
Oct 08 23:24:21 <dohtem> ok, how easy is it to unlock the GSM Pre?
Oct 08 23:24:33 <rwhitby> (but in that case you may just get the free apps version of the catalog if the device has never been activated)
Oct 08 23:24:55 <dohtem> free apps only is fine.
Oct 08 23:25:10 <rwhitby> Both of my GSM Pre's were already unlocked from the carrier.
Oct 08 23:25:18 <rwhitby> Which one are you referring to?
Oct 08 23:25:26 <dohtem> in the USofA, everything is locked
Oct 08 23:25:41 <dohtem> the carriers know best
Oct 08 23:25:48 <rwhitby> "the land of free", hey?
Oct 08 23:25:53 <dohtem> :)
Oct 08 23:25:53 <rwhitby> land of the free
Oct 08 23:26:03 <sugardave> free money to politicians/corporations, yeah
Oct 08 23:26:24 <rwhitby> dohtem: I believe you can ring up AT&T to have a Pre unlocked
Oct 08 23:26:34 <rwhitby> and there are online services which can do it too.
Oct 08 23:26:44 <dkirker> It's not that bad. At least you know your phone will always work really well on one network. :P
Oct 08 23:26:48 <rwhitby> (the former is above board, the latter not so much)
Oct 08 23:26:52 <dohtem> this is for the dev device I will be recieving soon (hopefully).
Oct 08 23:27:16 <rwhitby> oh, they're sending out locked dev devices.  how annoying.
Oct 08 23:27:17 <dohtem> dkirker: I guess
Oct 08 23:27:27 <dohtem> I'm assuming
Oct 08 23:27:32 <dkirker> I'm being sarcastic. :)
Oct 08 23:28:30 <dkirker> time to leave work! bye everyone.
Oct 08 23:28:47 <dohtem> rwhitby: even 3G on our GSM networks operate on different bands.  So you can't move unlocked devices between carriers and have 3G
Oct 08 23:29:03 <dohtem> bye dkirker
Oct 09 00:25:54 <rwhitby> dawm: that webOS address is owned by Palm UK, with ISP of Verizon UK
Oct 09 00:26:05 <dawm> nice
Oct 09 00:27:14 <rwhitby> so that means it's not a hoax (unless it is an intentional plant by Palm)
Oct 09 00:29:59 <SineOt> you mean the stuff from earlier with the device logs?
Oct 09 00:30:17 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 09 00:30:55 <SineOt> hm. Pixi update too? lol
Oct 09 00:39:13 <rwhitby> dawm: what's your twitter handle for my tweet ?
Oct 09 00:40:28 <rwhitby> I guess @dawm
Oct 09 00:40:41 <rwhitby> or do you prefer @biocandy?
Oct 09 00:40:52 <SineOt> Ares Oddity Number 1512951923: Copy paste into the code view doesn't use the system clip board, but copy pasting into the "Style" inspector on the interface builder view does. ?_?
Oct 09 00:49:37 <dawm> either or, @dawm and ill retweet
Oct 09 00:50:11 <dawm> im finally tackling a custom theme for wordpress.. and of course the puppy now wants to play
Oct 09 00:50:38 <oil> constructing tweets: serious business
Oct 09 00:52:00 <dawm> the best feature of win7 that i enjoy is when windows titlebars are stuck behind the taskbar (mines at the top) doing a little window resize action pops the titlebar below the taskbar
Oct 09 00:53:15 <rwhitby> dawm: http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/26799893136
Oct 09 00:53:26 <dawm> just saw it.. sweet im famous!
Oct 09 00:53:59 <rwhitby> you should submit some tips to precentral and webosroundup and webos world with a screenshot of the app log data.  they'll lap it up.
Oct 09 00:54:11 <rwhitby> oh, and engadget
Oct 09 00:54:41 <dawm> id have to pretty up the log script, its just basic numbers right now, i had to manually look in the db to see all the details :P
Oct 09 00:57:27 <rwhitby> just make up some screenshot :)
Oct 09 00:57:50 <dawm> easy enough :P
Oct 09 00:57:58 <rwhitby> the bloggers just have to have an image of something - they don't seem to be able to post an article unless they have an image
Oct 09 01:39:31 <dawm> rwhitby, http://twitter.com/#!/biocandy/status/26803607935
Oct 09 01:44:35 <rwhitby> dawm: RT'd
Oct 09 01:48:07 <dawm> i fired off a 'tip' email to precentral
Oct 09 01:49:14 <dawm> that app log sshot was a pita to make
Oct 09 01:49:38 <renegaid> 320x400
Oct 09 01:50:05 <renegaid> palm likes small devices
Oct 09 01:50:19 <dawm> its prolly just a pixi plus 2
Oct 09 01:50:41 <dawm> the 'swappablebattery' part was the thing that i thought was a tad weird
Oct 09 01:51:10 <rwhitby> dawm: sshot looks good and official
Oct 09 01:51:22 <dawm> notepad and photoshop :P
Oct 09 01:56:00 <pitpit24> hello?
Oct 09 01:56:48 <CTLAdvance> Why do they keep making small devices...
Oct 09 01:57:14 <renegaid> they obviously don't want any market share
Oct 09 01:57:33 <renegaid> the Pre barely sold and what do they do. Make another device with same form
Oct 09 01:57:36 <pitpit24> where is flash?
Oct 09 01:57:37 <CTLAdvance> I would agree with that statement
Oct 09 01:57:45 <CTLAdvance> flash is being bought by microsoft
Oct 09 01:57:49 <CTLAdvance> ok maybe not
Oct 09 01:59:48 <CTLAdvance> I wouldnt say the pre barely sold
Oct 09 02:00:20 <CTLAdvance> but now compared to the droid, evo, epic, etc there hardware blows this away
Oct 09 02:00:40 <dawm> back to mocking up my wordpress layout
Oct 09 02:00:40 <CTLAdvance> Even the windows phones i have seen are on some really sweet hardware
Oct 09 02:01:16 <SineOt> Why do they keep making small devices? because it fills both ends of the spectrum. Not everyone wants a huge 4.3" screen phone :p
Oct 09 02:02:04 <CTLAdvance> The issue is you will seel more flagship devices with a bigger screen then you will with smaller. Some of the droids even support 1080p playback I guess
Oct 09 02:02:08 <renegaid> the pre only sold on sprint. flopped on verizon and att
Oct 09 02:03:07 <SineOt> you'll sell more flagship devices because... they get the advertising budget of a flagship device
Oct 09 02:03:23 <CTLAdvance> As much as I hate android, when I played with the epic, it was really hard to walk away. But webOS is what is keeping me here, that and what winternals has done fot the device
Oct 09 02:03:53 <SineOt> (see Verizon droid advertising versus Verizon Pre advertising. *ROBOTS EVERYWHERE!!!* *Moms and a calendar with post it notes*)
Oct 09 02:04:28 <CTLAdvance> right, and you wont get another pre with the budget of an evo, ever unless HP does it.
Oct 09 02:04:53 <renegaid> i used my upgrade on an epic
Oct 09 02:05:15 <CTLAdvance> now, bring out a webOS device with a 4" - 4.3" screen, 1.2ghz proc and no need to patch it what so ever, and well get that
Oct 09 02:05:27 <renegaid> my wife hated the pre so got that and she loves it
Oct 09 02:05:28 <CTLAdvance> I cant believe they havent built any of the patches into the os yet
Oct 09 02:06:18 <renegaid> 4.3" is really big imo
Oct 09 02:06:36 <SineOt> 4.3" is massive
Oct 09 02:06:37 <CTLAdvance> However, despite my critic of the system, I still really like webOS.
Oct 09 02:06:48 <CTLAdvance> 4.3 is, well awesome.
Oct 09 02:07:18 <renegaid> i like the apps android have but the os isn't as good
Oct 09 02:07:43 <CTLAdvance> 4.3 is big enough to not have to carry a tablet, you could even make it a bit longer and go 5.
Oct 09 02:07:48 <renegaid> webos severely lacks in apps
Oct 09 02:08:08 <SineOt> see, in a phone? I don't -want- a tablet :p
Oct 09 02:08:15 <SineOt> that's the point of it being a phone and not a tablet lol
Oct 09 02:08:18 <CTLAdvance> The only single feature I really like on android is how responsive the haptic feedback is
Oct 09 02:08:34 <BMyers> the evo is stupid fast
Oct 09 02:08:50 <CTLAdvance> Then you should just get a dumb phone...
Oct 09 02:08:51 <CTLAdvance> :)
Oct 09 02:09:01 <SineOt> woosh
Oct 09 02:09:12 <CTLAdvance> There is always room for a small phone
Oct 09 02:09:34 <SineOt> hence palm making smaller phones like the Pixi! what a concept c_c
Oct 09 02:09:35 <CTLAdvance> like the pixi, but the flagship needs to contend with the rest of the pack.
Oct 09 02:09:44 <CTLAdvance> oy
Oct 09 02:09:46 <CTLAdvance> :)
Oct 09 02:10:48 <SineOt> and there's nothing saying that a Pixi form factor, Pre form factor, and "Mansion" slate giant thing couldn't coexist
Oct 09 02:14:26 <CTLAdvance> yeah but if the "Mansion" is still only 800X480 its still no flag ship device
Oct 09 02:15:03 <SineOt> even though both the Evo and Epic are still... 800x480
Oct 09 02:15:11 <CTLAdvance> you say well who cares... when you put it side by side with a droid 2, or the iphone it makes a dfference
Oct 09 02:15:57 <SineOt> the droid 2 is 854x480
Oct 09 02:16:01 <CTLAdvance> Was it the droid 2 or the samsung
Oct 09 02:16:22 <CTLAdvance> yeah thats what I was wondering, one of them has a greater resolution than the iphone
Oct 09 02:16:38 <renegaid> Palm needs to sell phones or Webos will fail. sell phones and developers would hop on board
Oct 09 02:16:51 <renegaid> to sell phones you need to ake phones that people like
Oct 09 02:17:14 <renegaid> the pre design is good to me but it turns off a lot of people
Oct 09 02:17:50 <CTLAdvance> I liked the pre a ton when it first launched. I would still like it if it was the same device, just scaled a bit larger. to say a 4 inch screen.
Oct 09 02:17:52 <SineOt> iPhone 4 is 960x640, there's a Sharp phone in Japan that runs that same resolution (but otherwise sounds like it sucks)
Oct 09 02:17:58 <CTLAdvance> some of the renders looked awesome that people did
Oct 09 02:17:59 <SineOt> I don't know what else there is
Oct 09 02:18:09 <SineOt> if it is out there it's not exactly a mainstream device
Oct 09 02:19:04 <CTLAdvance> Ill have to recheck my interwebs then, I was reading about it last week when I was traveling.
Oct 09 02:26:29 <CTLAdvance> What I dont want to happen is palm launch a device that in two months is a Joke compared to what is being released by HTC, Motorola, or Samsung
Oct 09 02:26:44 <kesne_pre> Oh, hi Mark!
Oct 09 02:27:48 <renegaid> so many android devices
Oct 09 02:28:32 <kesne_pre> I miss you guys.
Oct 09 02:28:54 <CTLAdvance> thats why they make wirc
Oct 09 02:28:56 <CTLAdvance> :)
Oct 09 02:29:28 <kesne_pre> Hehe
Oct 09 02:29:40 <kesne_pre> I'm only visiting though
Oct 09 02:29:50 <CTLAdvance> Aren't we all?
Oct 09 02:30:52 <kesne_pre> Heh
Oct 09 02:31:02 <rwhitby> hey kesne_pre
Oct 09 02:31:12 <kesne_pre> Hey, it's rwhitby!
Oct 09 02:31:24 <kesne_pre> How's it going?
Oct 09 02:31:38 <CTLAdvance> Hey rwhitby
Oct 09 02:31:40 <rwhitby> kesne_pre: good. released my first app catalog app
Oct 09 02:31:59 <kesne_pre> I saw that, bought it too
Oct 09 02:33:05 <rwhitby> kesne_pre: cheers
Oct 09 02:33:15 <rwhitby> hey CTLAdvance
Oct 09 02:33:20 <kesne_pre> Heh, damn austrilians
Oct 09 02:40:04 <kesne_pre> Whatever happened to Anivrom
Oct 09 02:40:22 <halfhalo> died in a fire
Oct 09 02:41:11 <kesne_pre> Thanks god!
Oct 09 02:42:11 <kesne_pre> But really...
Oct 09 02:42:17 <kesne_pre> He still around?
Oct 09 02:42:18 <CTLAdvance> your welcome
Oct 09 02:42:39 <CTLAdvance> oy
Oct 09 02:42:48 <CTLAdvance> He just left before you joined
Oct 09 02:42:59 <CTLAdvance> like 22 seconds before
Oct 09 02:43:10 <halfhalo> Lol. I didn't notice that
Oct 09 02:43:13 <kesne_pre> Haha
Oct 09 02:43:24 <kesne_pre> :(
Oct 09 02:43:49 <kesne_pre> I miss you guys.
Oct 09 02:43:56 <kesne_pre> School is hard.
Oct 09 02:44:03 <halfhalo> why dont you visit more often
Oct 09 02:44:09 <kesne_pre> Starbucks is the only thing keeping me going these days
Oct 09 02:44:15 <kesne_pre> halfhalo: I forget to.
Oct 09 02:44:18 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 09 02:44:39 <pitpit24> where is flash
Oct 09 02:44:45 <SineOt> no where
Oct 09 02:44:55 <kesne_pre> I ate it
Oct 09 02:44:56 <SineOt> it's still not been released
Oct 09 02:45:38 <halfhalo> lol, he's demanding
Oct 09 02:45:40 <halfhalo> and rude
Oct 09 02:45:47 <halfhalo> I like him!
Oct 09 02:45:52 <SineOt> it's the internet, that's what most of it is!
Oct 09 02:46:03 <SineOt> a giant ever running hate machine~
Oct 09 02:46:22 <kesne_pre> The intenet is full of love!
Oct 09 02:46:36 <SineOt> Hate  > ??? > PORN
Oct 09 02:46:39 <SineOt> hate goes in porn comes out
Oct 09 02:46:42 <kesne_pre> Go on /b/, they're just a group of lovely people
Oct 09 02:47:31 <CTLAdvance> I dont have time for this shit, I have ass to kick
Oct 09 02:48:02 <kesne_pre> Heh, what are you referring to?
Oct 09 02:48:21 <CTLAdvance> :)
Oct 09 02:48:25 <CTLAdvance> Go on /b/
Oct 09 02:48:33 <renegaid> i remember ruben said flash will be out in a month
Oct 09 02:48:41 <renegaid> that was almost a year ago
Oct 09 02:48:44 <SineOt> b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-balls of steel
Oct 09 02:48:47 <SineOt> honestly
Oct 09 02:48:50 <SineOt> I blame Adobe
Oct 09 02:48:54 <CTLAdvance> Were gonna get Duke Nukem forever before we get flash
Oct 09 02:48:56 <kesne_pre> I blame Apple
Oct 09 02:49:03 <CTLAdvance> which was sent to palm months ago
Oct 09 02:49:11 <renegaid> according to adobe they already released it to palm
Oct 09 02:49:14 <SineOt> because Adobe is a hilarious disaster of a company
Oct 09 02:49:24 <CTLAdvance> in which case ill be playing it on xbox live from my windows phone 7
Oct 09 02:49:27 <kesne_pre> Adobe send it to Palm
Oct 09 02:49:40 <kesne_pre> It's not their fault
Oct 09 02:49:48 <CTLAdvance> Yes adobe sent it to palm
Oct 09 02:49:53 <renegaid> i honestly don't care about it anymore. the Pre is already so slow as it is
Oct 09 02:49:56 <CTLAdvance> I guess palm is trying to optimize it
Oct 09 02:50:02 <CTLAdvance> or they are being like apple
Oct 09 02:50:16 <kesne_pre> Most likely the latter
Oct 09 02:50:19 <CTLAdvance> if this is truely a webOS device it should support both flash and silverlight
Oct 09 02:50:21 <SineOt> given it's adobe, I'd say it's "trying to optimize it"
Oct 09 02:50:28 <CTLAdvance> and flex
Oct 09 02:51:06 <SineOt> this is a company, keep in mind, that had all of their creative suite built for an IDE/compiler that had been unsupported for probably 3 years
Oct 09 02:51:17 <SineOt> and then turned around and blamed Apple that they had to rewrite it
Oct 09 02:52:13 <kesne_pre> I like Adobe
Oct 09 02:52:17 <CTLAdvance> Flash is actually pretty good for a company, everything they make is very well done for the most part
Oct 09 02:52:24 <CTLAdvance> sorry adobe is...
Oct 09 02:52:50 <CTLAdvance> And I remember seeing flash on a pre back then and the video of it was flawless
Oct 09 02:52:56 <SineOt> if use the suite much at all, it's pretty obvious that it's not very well done :/
Oct 09 02:52:57 <CTLAdvance> probably is a battery monster though
Oct 09 02:53:08 <CTLAdvance> Flash Builder 4 is quite nice
Oct 09 02:53:19 <SineOt> bits of the UI will function completely different between two apps even though they look, and should, work the same
Oct 09 02:53:23 <CTLAdvance> Especially for Flash and Flex
Oct 09 02:53:37 <kesne_pre> I like adobe!
Oct 09 02:53:46 <CTLAdvance> I havent tried to do anything with the builder for iphone
Oct 09 02:53:56 <kesne_pre> I'm out folks
Oct 09 02:53:58 <CTLAdvance> did apple finally allow it again?
Oct 09 02:53:59 <kesne_pre> Have a good one
Oct 09 02:54:03 <CTLAdvance> Later Kesne
Oct 09 02:55:05 <SineOt> http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/ < a good example of why "for the most part" is a really terrible mantra for software you want to charge hundreds of dollars for
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