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Oct 11 03:01:32 <sugardave> rwhitby: nevermind, I'm dumb...it always wants yyyy-m-d, problem solved
Oct 11 03:11:43 <haeffb> Anivrom: noticeRemovedItems
Oct 11 03:11:57 <Anivrom> haeffb: thanks ill look it up
Oct 11 03:12:21 <haeffb> and/or invalidateItems
Oct 11 03:13:31 <haeffb> sugardave: remember when I was deciding whether to use INSERT INTO and UPDATE or just REPLACE INTO
Oct 11 03:14:09 <haeffb> just REPLACE INTO makes for a laggy database when you get a bunch of data (or have done a bunch of REPLACE INTO)
Oct 11 03:14:40 <haeffb> I think
Oct 11 03:15:22 <sugardave> haeffb: ah, okay
Oct 11 03:15:50 * haeffb back to separate create and update routines
Oct 11 03:19:34 <rwhitby> sugardave: %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S
Oct 11 03:20:05 <haeffb> Anivrom: this.controller.get('taskListing').mojo.getList().mojo.invalidateItems(event.index + count, 1);
Oct 11 03:20:15 <Anivrom> O_O
Oct 11 03:20:20 * Anivrom 's head explodes
Oct 11 03:20:52 <haeffb> wait, you shouldn't need that
Oct 11 03:20:59 <Anivrom> nah I can simplify that
Oct 11 03:21:03 <haeffb> I'm re-drawing subtasks when a parent task is deleted
Oct 11 03:21:11 <haeffb> if there's no subtasks, that's never called
Oct 11 03:21:23 <haeffb> and my lists re-render just fine by themselves
Oct 11 03:21:47 <haeffb> this.taskListModel.items.splice(event.index, 1);
Oct 11 03:21:56 <haeffb> that's all I do for a normal delete
Oct 11 03:22:08 <Anivrom> me too but the scroller doesn't update
Oct 11 03:22:40 <sugardave> rwhitby: I got it, short-term insanity
Oct 11 03:22:47 <haeffb> then you're doing something else wrong...I don't have to take any action
Oct 11 03:23:24 <rwhitby> sugardave: ISO standard date formats are probably not that well known to you US guys ;)
Oct 11 03:23:31 <sugardave> no :P
Oct 11 03:23:47 <rwhitby> you have this weird habit of reversing months and days
Oct 11 03:24:01 <Anivrom> americans dont let anyone tell them what standards to use.
Oct 11 03:24:04 <halfhalo> Thats because we're americans!
Oct 11 03:24:06 <sugardave> heh...right on, so I have convertDate working in Mojo
Oct 11 03:24:08 <Anivrom> they know whats BEST
Oct 11 03:24:29 <sugardave> now it's time to ditch most of this code and hammer this in
Oct 11 05:06:35 <uho> http://pastie.org/1212300
Oct 11 05:06:39 <uho> am I doing this request right?
Oct 11 05:20:11 <Roy-Pre101> uho: No.
Oct 11 05:20:37 <Roy-Pre101> Do you know what the first A in Ajax stands for?
Oct 11 05:27:25 <alexfner> Autosyncronous
Oct 11 05:27:30 <alexfner> where do I collect my prize?
Oct 11 05:27:44 <alexfner> chronous*
Oct 11 05:27:55 <SineOt> autosyncronous? :T
Oct 11 05:28:22 <SineOt> asynchronous
Oct 11 05:28:48 <uho> ah
Oct 11 05:28:56 <uho> so my logic should be in the onsuccess
Oct 11 05:29:34 <Anivrom> now there's something prizeworthy
Oct 11 05:29:49 <Anivrom> uho: all logic should be done onSuccess
Oct 11 05:29:58 <Anivrom> if its related to your request
Oct 11 05:30:02 <uho> http://pastie.org/1212321
Oct 11 05:30:04 <uho> that look right?
Oct 11 05:30:11 <uho> doesn't seem to update the content though
Oct 11 05:30:14 <Anivrom> of course you should be accomplishing other things in the meantime while you're waiting :P
Oct 11 05:30:28 <SineOt> like spinning a spinner because spinners are awesome
Oct 11 05:30:36 <Anivrom> ROIGHT
Oct 11 05:30:46 <uho> roight? lol
Oct 11 05:30:57 <Anivrom> rooooighhhhtt
Oct 11 05:31:13 <uho> the content in my app isn't getting updated though
Oct 11 05:31:20 <Anivrom> kinda loik a irish accent loik from dublin loik
Oct 11 05:31:24 <Anivrom> roooight
Oct 11 05:32:32 <SineOt> was it updating before?
Oct 11 05:32:43 <uho> lol no
Oct 11 05:32:48 <uho> I don't think the funciton call I'm using is right
Oct 11 05:33:08 <uho> well, I could use the same function outside the Request fine
Oct 11 05:33:12 <uho> must be something to do with scope
Oct 11 05:33:19 <dohtem|desk> http://www.webosworld.com/2010/10/10/best-palm-pre-2palmpadwebos-watch-mockup-thus-far/ - yay or nay
Oct 11 05:33:57 <SineOt> trying adding an on0 event, because if it's completely failing, that's what gets returned from what I understand
Oct 11 05:34:25 <uho> sorry I didn't understand you
Oct 11 05:34:45 <uho> http://pastie.org/1212325
Oct 11 05:34:53 <uho> the log output shows that its a successful request
Oct 11 05:35:55 <alexfner> asynchronous
Oct 11 05:35:57 <alexfner> right
Oct 11 05:36:06 <alexfner> ...that's what I said...
Oct 11 05:36:08 <alexfner> right?
Oct 11 05:36:10 <alexfner> right!
Oct 11 05:36:12 <chronomex> yaaaaa you keep highlighting me
Oct 11 05:36:18 <alexfner> alright folks
Oct 11 05:36:21 * chronomex runs around screaming
Oct 11 05:36:28 <SineOt> hm! so I guess it is working
Oct 11 05:36:35 <alexfner> take a look at the JS article and let me know if you've found anything it needs/is inaccurate
Oct 11 05:36:37 <alexfner> http://webos101.com/Javascript
Oct 11 05:37:02 <uho> SineOt: the request runs fine, but I can't get the content in my scene to be updated :/
Oct 11 05:37:11 <uho> when the onSuccess thing is called
Oct 11 05:37:30 <SineOt> uho: the version of prototype that ships with webOS has a bug where even if it fails to load the ajax request, it'll instead return a status "0" and not onFailure
Oct 11 05:37:38 <SineOt> but if it's logging everything, idk!
Oct 11 05:38:13 <alexfner> Anivrom: I remember a discussion on javascript optimization
Oct 11 05:38:15 <alexfner> froma  while ago
Oct 11 05:38:18 <alexfner> I have something for you
Oct 11 05:38:19 <Anivrom> MHMMMMM
Oct 11 05:38:27 <Anivrom> alright lets have it
Oct 11 05:38:31 <Anivrom> gogogoggo
Oct 11 05:38:32 <alexfner> Anivrom: http://www.slideshare.net/madrobby/extreme-javascript-performance
Oct 11 05:38:40 <alexfner> just came across it
Oct 11 05:38:41 <alexfner> it's good
Oct 11 05:39:30 <uho> SineOt: I reordered the log infos and figured out that it doesn't like the this.controller.get("main").update(print); statement
Oct 11 05:39:36 <Anivrom> lol chrome rapes with that V8 engine.
Oct 11 05:39:39 <SineOt> ah
Oct 11 05:39:49 <uho> my thinking is that because im within the AjaxRequest function I don't have access to the controller somehow?
Oct 11 05:39:49 <Anivrom> Interesting ill have a look when I've got time
Oct 11 05:45:20 <uho> any ideas?
Oct 11 05:46:29 <alexfner> uho start from the top and I'll try to help
Oct 11 05:50:02 <uho> Okay, here's my assistant: http://pastie.org/1212339
Oct 11 05:50:21 <uho> and my main http://pastie.org/1212340
Oct 11 05:51:01 <Anivrom> So to get this straight, if I have a return statement in a function, it will exit the function after the return statement?
Oct 11 05:52:24 <Anivrom> http://pastebin.com/WVuhymRx
Oct 11 05:52:27 <SineOt> try ParsePageAssistant.controller.get()?
Oct 11 05:52:52 <uho> ah you're right
Oct 11 05:52:53 <uho> thanks!!
Oct 11 05:52:59 <uho> oh wait
Oct 11 05:53:00 <uho> no its not
Oct 11 05:53:00 <uho> lol
Oct 11 06:04:58 <uho> any ideas?
Oct 11 06:07:24 <alexfner> Anivrom: that is correct
Oct 11 06:08:40 <alexfner> uho what ends up happening?
Oct 11 06:10:09 <uho> When my program gets run, the intial text stays the same. And in the log, "completed request" won't show up if "this.controller.get(.." is before it;
Oct 11 06:49:37 <hotdp> Goodmorning
Oct 11 06:49:41 <Anivrom> goodnight n stuf rite
Oct 11 06:49:44 <Anivrom> lol
Oct 11 06:49:54 <Anivrom> cya hotdp (and good morning)
Oct 11 06:50:06 <teemu> Morning
Oct 11 06:54:17 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 11 06:54:22 <teemu> Morning
Oct 11 06:54:57 <hotdp> morning swisstomcat
Oct 11 06:55:28 <swisstomcat> morning teemu, hotdp
Oct 11 06:56:17 <hotdp> My freeapp got featured in the catalog swisstomcat :P
Oct 11 06:56:28 <swisstomcat> nice! you'll get a lot of downloads
Oct 11 06:56:29 <teemu> hotdp: what's the name of the app?
Oct 11 06:56:40 <hotdp> Movie Info
Oct 11 06:56:46 <teemu> ah, that one.
Oct 11 06:57:02 <hotdp> Despiste som 0 stars because of wrong spelling :/
Oct 11 06:57:07 <teemu> I have it too.
Oct 11 06:57:10 <teemu> Gah, that's dumb.
Oct 11 06:57:26 <hotdp> Thats the way it is
Oct 11 06:57:33 <hotdp> ratings in the catlog sucks
Oct 11 06:57:38 <hotdp> "install hangs" 0 stars
Oct 11 06:57:40 <teemu> Hey care to add Wikipedia link to cast info?
Oct 11 06:57:49 <hotdp> hmm
Oct 11 06:58:01 <hotdp> sounds like a good idea
Oct 11 06:58:31 <hotdp> I will implement it today (should fix spelling anyway)
Oct 11 06:58:32 <teemu> Yea. On saturday I was looking up actor info but your app didn't show picture nor birth date.
Oct 11 06:58:47 <hotdp> yer the source is not as good as imdb
Oct 11 06:58:57 <hotdp> but its free
Oct 11 06:59:10 <teemu> Yea. Otherwise it's fine.
Oct 11 06:59:33 <hotdp> Its a free app, so have not used that much time on it and will not use so much either
Oct 11 06:59:57 <hotdp> Made it because at the time, that kind of app was missing in the catalog
Oct 11 07:00:11 <hotdp> But the wiki i will do for you :P
Oct 11 07:54:26 <raghuk> hi guys .. anyone known .. how to add a event listener for pinch? is this an event?
Oct 11 07:55:28 <raghuk> is pinch gesture an event?
Oct 11 07:56:28 <swisstomcat> hi
Oct 11 07:57:46 <raghuk> hi .. how to handle a pinch gesture on a DOM element?
Oct 11 08:05:05 <swisstomcat> let me check
Oct 11 08:06:19 <swisstomcat> have you seen this? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=723&hilit=pinch
Oct 11 08:06:32 <swisstomcat> last post
Oct 11 09:05:28 <swisstomcat> compiling node :)
Oct 11 09:06:44 <hotdp> swisstomcat did you find out of anything about unify/JO about my situation?
Oct 11 09:07:24 <swisstomcat> unify seems to have some problems on webOS (flex-box layout)
Oct 11 09:07:30 <swisstomcat> jo should work ... did you check out the example on youtube?
Oct 11 09:16:36 <swisstomcat> node installed :)
Oct 11 09:20:03 <hotdp> Yer the example looks nice :)
Oct 11 09:20:29 <hotdp> But don't know how much is missing before it can actually use is`?
Oct 11 09:20:34 <hotdp> it*
Oct 11 09:21:06 <swisstomcat> try it
Oct 11 09:43:53 <hotdp> so you think it is ready ?
Oct 11 10:40:04 <swisstomcat> rehi
Oct 11 10:59:39 <warpdesign__> good morning
Oct 11 11:11:39 <swisstomcat> morning warpdesign
Oct 11 11:26:49 <KGF2009> So, can anyone suggest the best way to store data for my app between instances?
Oct 11 11:26:59 <teemu> Hi KGF2009
Oct 11 11:26:59 <swisstomcat> hi
Oct 11 11:27:01 <Bmyers> which app?
Oct 11 11:27:04 <swisstomcat> how much data are we talking about?
Oct 11 11:27:23 <teemu> KGF2009: working on your forum app?
Oct 11 11:27:51 <KGF2009> Eh, not right now, though that is on my list.
Oct 11 11:27:58 <teemu> ok :)
Oct 11 11:28:17 <KGF2009> Not entirely sure yet how much data. Basically, I'm making an app to help me keep track of school; grades, homework assignments, classes..All that stuff.
Oct 11 11:29:00 <swisstomcat> cookies,depot,webSQL
Oct 11 11:29:07 <swisstomcat> probably depot?
Oct 11 11:29:32 <KGF2009> Depot?
Oct 11 11:29:40 <swisstomcat> you should find some examples on webos101.com
Oct 11 11:30:29 <swisstomcat> mojo depot
Oct 11 11:31:00 <swisstomcat> e.g http://webos101.com/Depot_for_App_Preferences
Oct 11 11:43:48 <swisstomcat> bbl
Oct 11 12:03:58 <Bmyers> steve bauer to debut the w7 phone on the today show soon
Oct 11 13:35:15 <StuFFmc> Anybody on O2 Germany here?
Oct 11 13:35:30 <StuFFmc> I just installed my sim card and got "SIM not provisionned"
Oct 11 13:35:50 <sugardave> that sounds bad
Oct 11 14:09:49 <torchie_pre> wp7 is looking kinda legit
Oct 11 14:09:58 <torchie_pre> :(
Oct 11 14:12:08 <bricks_> Hello, is anybody actually at a computer in here?
Oct 11 14:12:11 <CTLAdvance> Windows phone 7 is deffinately legit....
Oct 11 14:12:29 <CTLAdvance> This is going to be a very interesting smart phone ride
Oct 11 14:12:38 <dohtem|desk> yeah, they are on a marketing blitz right now
Oct 11 14:12:57 <torchie_pre> hp better come so hard
Oct 11 14:13:07 <bricks_> Hello, can either of you help me with a problem that I am having with palm
Oct 11 14:13:08 <bricks_> ?
Oct 11 14:13:52 <hotdp> palm?
Oct 11 14:14:16 <bricks_> yes, I'm trying to make a webOS application
Oct 11 14:14:31 <hotdp> And the problem is?
Oct 11 14:15:08 <bricks_> I've been following along with the code in the book Palm WebOS by Allen
Oct 11 14:15:32 <bricks_> But my application isn't working the way they describe it in the book.
Oct 11 14:16:11 <bricks_> After comparing what I wrote to what they have in the book, I still can't see where I've made a mistake.
Oct 11 14:16:42 <Spanska> Is there anything obviously wrong with this code? http://www.pastie.org/1213001 When I run the app and create a new Holidays object, I see this message:  Error: Couldn't create new database: no such table: holidays, palmInitFramework347:2527
Oct 11 14:17:20 <torchie_pre> whoa
Oct 11 14:17:32 <torchie_pre> their voice analysis system looks amazing
Oct 11 14:17:38 <torchie_pre> such a cool UI for it
Oct 11 14:17:51 <torchie_pre> looks cool even when it fails
Oct 11 14:20:52 <bricks_> Can I send someone my application?
Oct 11 14:21:05 <dohtem|desk> yay or nay on the form factor + screen size? - http://www.engadget.com/photos/dell-lightning-venue-pro-hands-on/#3453787
Oct 11 14:22:23 <torchie_pre> wow, 4 inch screen with the vert qwerty?
Oct 11 14:23:04 <torchie_pre> may be unmanageable when open
Oct 11 14:23:21 <dohtem|desk> yeah, i was thinking the same
Oct 11 14:23:50 <dohtem|desk> wont it be too top-heavy and hard to hold right while typing?
Oct 11 14:23:57 <CTLAdvance> The Dell Venue is what the next palm phone should be
Oct 11 14:24:41 <torchie_pre> as much as I love portrait qwerty
Oct 11 14:24:52 <torchie_pre> I want a pure sate
Oct 11 14:24:57 <torchie_pre> slate*
Oct 11 14:25:01 <torchie_pre> more durable
Oct 11 14:25:26 <torchie_pre> don't want to go through 4 palm mansions
Oct 11 14:25:58 <torchie_pre> but if they must put the keyboard there, 3.7 inch screen!
Oct 11 14:28:41 <dohtem|desk> I say 4
Oct 11 14:30:15 <torchie_pre> maybe.
Oct 11 14:31:24 <torchie_pre> i'm not crazy for omg bigger, and I fear that all of these screen size increases now may throw off the human factors in a phone's design
Oct 11 14:32:11 <CTLAdvance> Must be a 4 for me
Oct 11 14:32:16 <CTLAdvance> at least
Oct 11 14:36:09 <torchie_pre> I want a gyroscope
Oct 11 14:36:16 <dohtem|desk> + compas
Oct 11 14:36:16 <torchie_pre> this new
Oct 11 14:36:20 <torchie_pre> SUPER DEVICE
Oct 11 14:36:26 <CTLAdvance> The Key behind WP7 is the Hub, and XBOX integration
Oct 11 14:36:26 <torchie_pre> must contain a gyroscope
Oct 11 14:36:30 <torchie_pre> also a compass
Oct 11 14:36:36 <dohtem|desk> and i want google maps to rotate as I turn around
Oct 11 14:36:48 <torchie_pre> WP7 doesn't have a gyroscope
Oct 11 14:36:52 <CTLAdvance> I just want actual bing / live integration
Oct 11 14:36:55 <torchie_pre> i don't care about it anymore
Oct 11 14:37:04 <torchie_pre> you want that?
Oct 11 14:37:09 <CTLAdvance> lol, im sure webOS wont get one either
Oct 11 14:37:14 <CTLAdvance> Yes
Oct 11 14:37:34 <CTLAdvance> I havent used google since bing launched in 2008
Oct 11 14:37:57 <CTLAdvance> 97% google free, 3% is from playing with android
Oct 11 14:38:25 <torchie_pre> what does bing do
Oct 11 14:40:19 <CTLAdvance> everything that google does
Oct 11 14:40:34 <torchie_pre> what does bing do better
Oct 11 14:40:49 <CTLAdvance> for me it searches better
Oct 11 14:41:01 <CTLAdvance> results I get on bing require additional key stokes on google
Oct 11 14:41:17 <CTLAdvance> Less Ads on Bing
Oct 11 14:41:43 <CTLAdvance> Better online services and integration with all ms products
Oct 11 14:42:04 <CTLAdvance> W7, Office, etc etc
Oct 11 14:42:18 <torchie_pre> hmm
Oct 11 14:42:48 <CTLAdvance> I also think bing is better organised which google has tried to follow suit
Oct 11 14:43:06 <haeffb> Spanska: db transactions are asynchronous
Oct 11 14:43:30 <torchie_pre> yeah I always found it strange, google taking design cues from bing
Oct 11 14:43:49 <torchie_pre> has to be a decent product if they're doing that
Oct 11 14:43:54 <haeffb> move your select to the onSuccess of the table create
Oct 11 14:44:19 <CTLAdvance> The new Bing Bot has launched which is supposed to crawl better than googles
Oct 11 14:44:24 <CTLAdvance> be back in a bit
Oct 11 14:44:53 <haeffb> bricks_: what is the issue with your app?
Oct 11 14:45:34 <hotdp> i really dont like w7
Oct 11 14:46:22 <haeffb> but it's got a 7 in the name!
Oct 11 14:46:33 <haeffb> so it's gotta be good!
Oct 11 14:47:07 <hotdp> ;s
Oct 11 14:47:11 <hotdp> i look ugly
Oct 11 14:52:21 <Spanska> haeffb: thanks, it works better now:)
Oct 11 15:05:31 <teemu> Is there a way to run two emulators in Windows at the same time with different profile?
Oct 11 15:06:43 <bricks_> can anybody help me a a problem that I'm having with making a webOS appication?
Oct 11 15:06:50 <bricks_> application
Oct 11 15:06:58 <hotdp> teemu why would you do that?
Oct 11 15:07:04 <hotdp> bricks_ what is your problem?
Oct 11 15:07:55 <bricks_> hotdp: I've been following along in the book Palm WebOS by Allen. My application isn't working the way they show things in the book.
Oct 11 15:08:00 <teemu> hotdp: because I need to :)
Oct 11 15:08:11 <halfhalo> I really, really, really don't like that book
Oct 11 15:08:37 <bricks_> After going over my code a bunch of times, I can't see the difference between what I have and they way things are done in the book so I'm guessing that there must be something else that I am missing
Oct 11 15:08:45 <haeffb> halfhalo: I agree. The ending was weak. Who'd have thought they'd kill off the main character?
Oct 11 15:08:52 <hotdp> Can you use pastebin bricks_ ?
Oct 11 15:09:07 <haeffb> (oops. spoiler alert!)
Oct 11 15:09:20 <halfhalo> The fact the book is old?  and haeffb I KNOW RIGHT?  I mean, first you don't even  KNOW theres a character, but then he/you dies!
Oct 11 15:09:34 <bricks_> yes, I will put what i have up there
Oct 11 15:09:55 * haeffb gotta get to work. spending the holiday on house work.
Oct 11 15:10:20 * halfhalo is eating beef jerky waiting for this computer to boot up
Oct 11 15:11:12 <teemu> beef jerkey... mmmhhgaaahhh..
Oct 11 15:11:16 <sugardave> teemu: the answer is "sort of" you can launch two emulators but only one is "active" with the palm-tools
Oct 11 15:11:40 <sugardave> teemu: so, quite worthless, really
Oct 11 15:11:46 <hotdp> sugardave what do you think about the win 7 stuff?
Oct 11 15:11:48 <teemu> hmm. Ok, I better run 2nd OS then
Oct 11 15:12:01 <halfhalo> this is why you have more than one computer!
Oct 11 15:12:05 <sugardave> hotdp: haven't looked, it isn't aomething I've been dying for
Oct 11 15:12:45 <halfhalo> I think winpho7 will be a decent platform
Oct 11 15:13:01 <halfhalo> because everything else aside, xbox live integration will sell
Oct 11 15:13:08 <sugardave> yep
Oct 11 15:13:23 <sugardave> I wish Sony would open up the PSN a bit more
Oct 11 15:13:48 <halfhalo> Yup
Oct 11 15:15:08 <sugardave> bricks_: I hate to say it, but I had to ditch that book when I was learning and struck out on my own (my own = bugging the hell out of people in this channel)
Oct 11 15:15:35 <bricks_> hotdp: I've pasted what I have into pastbin in four different entries
Oct 11 15:15:59 <bricks_> storyView Assistant: http://pastebin.com/27925Erw
Oct 11 15:16:16 <bricks_> stage assistant: http://pastebin.com/27925Erw
Oct 11 15:16:36 <bricks_> feeds.js: http://pastebin.com/0PfsydHt
Oct 11 15:16:56 <hotdp> do you get any errors?
Oct 11 15:17:00 <bricks_> storyView scene: http://pastebin.com/YVeX3Z8F
Oct 11 15:17:59 <bricks_> I don't get any errors in the Log Viewer
Oct 11 15:18:40 <bricks_> but I'm at least supposed to get text to display when the app is run. That doesn't even happen. :-(
Oct 11 15:19:03 <hotdp> Have you copied all at once? or
Oct 11 15:19:48 <bricks_> I've been going through the book chapter by chapter and making the changes as they were being made in the book.
Oct 11 15:20:25 <bricks_> Honestly I've have a problem with not being able to get things to display as I've been going through the book.
Oct 11 15:21:17 <bricks_> I know that one problem I has was because the book failed to mention a change that I needed to make in sources.json.
Oct 11 15:22:01 <bricks_> I was thinking that this might be another problem like that, but since I'm guessing it is not in the book, I'm not sure where to look up how to fix the problem.
Oct 11 15:27:55 <hotdp> :(
Oct 11 15:28:02 <bricks_> actually, I am getting an error (Error: Cannot call method 'bindAsEventListener' of object, line undefined, file undefined
Oct 11 15:28:11 <hotdp> ahh
Oct 11 15:28:19 <hotdp> typo?
Oct 11 15:28:19 <bricks_> what is the sad face for?
Oct 11 15:28:33 <bricks_> that's all...where?
Oct 11 15:28:36 <hotdp> ", I'm not sure where to look up how to fix the problem." <-- sad face
Oct 11 15:28:50 <bricks_> where should I go?
Oct 11 15:31:19 <bricks_> sugarDave: Do you mind if I bug the hell out of you then?
Oct 11 15:32:36 <bricks_> hello???
Oct 11 15:48:30 <bricks_> is anybody there still?
Oct 11 15:51:03 <haeffb> bricks_: typo on line 64 in scene assistant: this.controller.storpListening("previousStory", Mojo.Event.tap, this.previousStoryHandler);
Oct 11 15:51:34 <haeffb> also lines 28 and 29 are wrong
Oct 11 15:51:37 <haeffb> #
Oct 11 15:51:37 <haeffb>         this.nextStoryHandler = this.nextStory.handleTap.bindAsEventListener(this);
Oct 11 15:51:37 <haeffb> #
Oct 11 15:51:37 <haeffb>         this.previousStoryHandler = this.previousStory.handleTap.bindAsEventListener(this);
Oct 11 15:51:37 <haeffb> #
Oct 11 15:52:53 <haeffb> which is likely where you're getting the error
Oct 11 15:55:33 <hotdp> bricks_ sorry i had to leave, did you get your problem solved?
Oct 11 15:55:42 <hotdp> Is there any from UK inhere?
Oct 11 15:57:23 <bricks_> thank you for pointing out the typo, but that still didn't fix the problem.
Oct 11 15:57:34 <hotdp> Still same error?
Oct 11 15:57:35 <bricks_> I saw that you said that lines 28 and 29 were incorrect
Oct 11 15:59:42 * hotdp eating bbl
Oct 11 16:06:22 <haeffb> this.nextStoryHandler = this.nextStory.handleTap.bindAsEventListener(this);
Oct 11 16:06:33 <haeffb> you don't have a nextStory.handleTap method
Oct 11 16:06:47 <haeffb> perhaps this.nextStoryHandler = this.handleTap.bindAsEventListener(this);
Oct 11 16:07:28 <bricks_> I wrote a handleTap function in the storyView-assistant file
Oct 11 16:11:22 <bricks_> no, that doesn't work either, it just gives me a different error. Now it is saying that the StoryViewAssistant is not defined at all
Oct 11 16:17:04 <haeffb> that means you have a typo somewhere in the assistant
Oct 11 16:17:41 <bricks_> thank you, I guess I'll just have to keep looking through this file
Oct 11 16:17:53 <haeffb> are u using eclipse?
Oct 11 16:18:10 <bricks_> ares
Oct 11 16:18:24 <haeffb> ares has jslint built in...?
Oct 11 16:18:39 <haeffb> should be able to find syntax errors for you
Oct 11 16:18:45 <bricks_> I don't know what jslint is.
Oct 11 16:18:53 <Spanska> On line 93 of http://www.pastie.org/1213274 I would like to call the setWidgetModel function for an object that is being executed here: http://www.pastie.org/1213281 . How can I do that?
Oct 11 16:18:53 <haeffb> http://jslint.org
Oct 11 16:20:52 <haeffb> Spanska: where do you instantiate the db?
Oct 11 16:21:38 <Spanska> at the top of http://www.pastie.org/1213281 on line 6. Is that what you meant?
Oct 11 16:21:59 <haeffb> the way I would handle this is to call the sql select from a function in the scene assistant, with a callback to another method in the scene assistant that will load the results into the widget
Oct 11 16:23:13 <Spanska> I'll try this out, thanks:)
Oct 11 16:24:15 <haeffb> make all your db transactions stand-alone functions that you can call from the sceneAssistant
Oct 11 16:25:15 <haeffb> for instance, I call this from activate() of my scene assistant: dao.retrieveFolders(this.gotFoldersDb.bind(this));
Oct 11 16:26:00 <Spanska> I thought it would be better to keep everything related to the DB in the object class
Oct 11 16:28:44 <hotdp> bricks_ did jslint do it as haeffb said?
Oct 11 16:30:27 <bricks_> hotdp: I found this link that said that Jslint was in ares(http://ares.palm.com/Ares/docstemp/whatsnew.html)
Oct 11 16:30:55 <hotdp> ohh you can choose it in the buttom
Oct 11 16:31:17 <bricks_> but i'm not getting any errors highlighted in the code editor
Oct 11 16:31:25 <bricks_> I can choose it in what button
Oct 11 16:31:37 <hotdp> On it is "on" ?
Oct 11 16:31:39 <bricks_> Never mind i see it
Oct 11 16:31:48 <hotdp> I mean "monitor"
Oct 11 16:32:03 <hotdp> You can also force look by pressing "check"
Oct 11 16:33:01 <hotdp> ok?
Oct 11 16:33:09 <bricks_> I found something, apparently you have to use === to compare to 0, I thought that was a typo in the book
Oct 11 16:33:17 <bricks_> and it found a few other errors
Oct 11 16:34:08 <hotdp> That book sounds kind of crappy :D
Oct 11 16:34:19 <hotdp> Good i did not use it..
Oct 11 16:35:14 <bricks_> I went to a book store by where I live and there were only two books on palm (compared to the dozens of books tht they had on iphone)
Oct 11 16:35:28 <bricks_> It seems like for palm there are just slim pickings
Oct 11 16:35:29 <hotdp> Yer there are not many
Oct 11 16:35:40 <creationix> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1780169
Oct 11 16:35:51 <creationix> help people find my javascript article
Oct 11 16:36:54 <creationix> I should write a webos 2.0 + node article as soon as the nda lifts for that
Oct 11 16:36:58 <creationix> that would be fun
Oct 11 16:37:24 <hotdp> creationix sounds nice
Oct 11 16:38:12 <Spanska> haeffb: I think this is confusing me. The object has to load the data in the database or insert that data if it isn't there. I understand that while this is being done, execution could still continue in my assistant to set up the widgets, etc. Now, how can I know from my scene assistant context that the data has been loaded and is available?
Oct 11 16:38:33 <sugardave> force a list to re-render without changing anything?
Oct 11 16:39:19 <sugardave> Spanska: do any dependent processing in the onSuccess handler of whatever db action you need to complete before using the data
Oct 11 16:39:49 <Spanska> sugardave: from there, I cannot call an update of my widget
Oct 11 16:40:18 <sugardave> why not?
Oct 11 16:40:42 <haeffb> Spanska: everything related to the db can be in the object class. But you can pass a function from your scene assistant to the db function
Oct 11 16:40:49 <haeffb> dao.retrieveFolders(this.gotFoldersDb.bind(this));
Oct 11 16:41:26 <haeffb> I'm calling the retrieveFolders function from my db class, and passing MySceneAssistant.prototype.gotFoldersDb function to it
Oct 11 16:41:48 <sugardave> yes, that's the ticket
Oct 11 16:41:49 <haeffb> then the db retrieveFolders function calls gotFoldersDb with the results
Oct 11 16:41:58 <haeffb> just a sec, I'll pastebin an example
Oct 11 16:42:13 <Spanska> I'm more visual, just a snippet would be enough
Oct 11 16:42:44 <Spanska> I tried to pass "this" to my object constructor but in the initialize function, it becomes "undefined"
Oct 11 16:43:11 <sugardave> DB.function(callback) {// all the db stuff, in success handler do; if (callback) {callback(results)}};
Oct 11 16:44:18 <haeffb> http://pastebin.com/T88JsuVG
Oct 11 16:45:01 <haeffb> so, from scene activate() I call dao.retrieveFolders(this.gotFoldersDb.bind(this));
Oct 11 16:45:12 <haeffb> gotFoldersDb is a method of the scene assistant
Oct 11 16:45:29 <haeffb> and has access to all the properties of the assistant (i.e. widgets, etc)
Oct 11 16:46:34 <haeffb> gotFoldersDb is passed to the dao.retrieveFolders as inCallback
Oct 11 16:46:50 <haeffb> the success handler calls inCallback(results)
Oct 11 16:47:24 <haeffb> SceneAssistant.prototype.gotFoldersDb = function (response) {...}
Oct 11 16:59:26 <Spanska> something like this? HolidayDates.newholidays = new Holidays(this.updateListModel.bind(this));
Oct 11 17:00:53 <sugardave> okay...so...forcing a list ro re-render without changing any data?
Oct 11 17:00:57 <sugardave> thoughts?
Oct 11 17:01:29 <Spanska> what if you set the model to what it is already?
Oct 11 17:01:45 <sugardave> ugly errors about no watchers
Oct 11 17:02:05 <Spanska> do you use modelChanged or setWidgetModel?
Oct 11 17:02:40 <haeffb> Spanska: don't pass to the constructor. pass to the HolidayDates.newholidays.getMyData() function
Oct 11 17:03:09 <Spanska> haeffb: How can I know when the data is ready?
Oct 11 17:03:13 <haeffb> invalidateItems
Oct 11 17:03:24 <haeffb> same way
Oct 11 17:03:28 <sugardave> Spanska: I use modelChanged, testing something now, I might have had a typo in the last test
Oct 11 17:03:34 <haeffb> pass a callback to the initialize function
Oct 11 17:03:45 <Spanska> sugardave: modelChanged gave me the same issues, setWidgetModel fixed this
Oct 11 17:03:47 <sugardave> whee, easy way works
Oct 11 17:03:59 <sugardave> setWidgetModel sounds like an Ares thing, not sure if I have that
Oct 11 17:04:25 <sugardave> modelChanged with an unchanged model works AS LONG AS YOU GET THE NAME RIGHT
Oct 11 17:04:31 <Spanska> haha
Oct 11 17:04:47 <Spanska> I guess I didn't have mine right hehe
Oct 11 17:05:06 <haeffb> Spanska: I instantiate the dao object in my appAssistant.setup() and pass a callback to it so that I can continue processing in appAssistant after the db is created/opened
Oct 11 17:05:07 <sugardave> :D
Oct 11 17:05:26 <haeffb> same as I do for getting the data from the db tables
Oct 11 17:06:40 <sugardave> it's naplunch time
Oct 11 17:06:42 <sugardave> bbl
Oct 11 17:07:00 <Spanska> I'll have to think about this for a moment, I'm definitely mixed up
Oct 11 17:08:02 <haeffb> here's a complete example database object: http://webos.pastebin.com/uaxtRidd
Oct 11 17:08:28 <haeffb> ( I don't use the Class.create syntax, but it works just the same)
Oct 11 17:09:08 <Spanska> maybe I shouldn't use it either heh
Oct 11 17:09:46 <haeffb> if you're used to it, keep using it.
Oct 11 17:10:01 <haeffb> I don't think my syntax is any better. just different
Oct 11 17:10:20 <Spanska> actually, I'm new to JavaScript too
Oct 11 17:10:47 <Spanska> I've done C, C++, PHP and such for many years though.. JavaScript is different hehe
Oct 11 17:12:17 <haeffb> but either way, the concept is the same. you pass a function to the db function that it will call when it's done
Oct 11 17:12:45 <haeffb> then in the callback, you can take the next step, assured that the async method is done
Oct 11 17:13:24 <Spanska> isn't you .init function like the initialize function of my Holidays object?
Oct 11 17:13:31 <Spanska> Isn't your
Oct 11 17:14:12 <haeffb> yes, except your initialize is called automatically when you create a new instance of your class
Oct 11 17:14:31 <haeffb> I do it manually:  dao.init();
Oct 11 17:15:20 <Spanska> then, what could be wrong by sending the callback to the constructor? I'm just trying to understand here
Oct 11 17:16:46 <teemu> How would I access device via usb when emulator is running on Windows?
Oct 11 17:16:56 <teemu> ssh to it I mean
Oct 11 17:19:53 <teemu> oh ok now I managed to get in
Oct 11 17:19:59 <teemu> First time it connected to the emulator
Oct 11 17:20:03 <haeffb> in your case, it may be OK if you only have one db function
Oct 11 17:20:19 <haeffb> but what if you have a createHolidays and a getHolidays function?
Oct 11 17:20:59 <haeffb> and really, what's the point of a db if you're only going to read static data from it?
Oct 11 17:22:44 <Spanska> it was easier to work with a DB and with the power of the SQL queries it sounded like a good deal ;)
Oct 11 17:24:54 <Spanska> when I can get this to work I should add more database functions as I will have to work with calendar events and such
Oct 11 17:25:17 <Spanska> I will use it to manage the checkbox list too
Oct 11 17:28:13 <haeffb> so, you should start now with that in mind... :)
Oct 11 17:28:47 <Spanska> yeah, it's easier for me to change things one at a time though, I don't mind recoding big parts as I'm doing just that from the beginning
Oct 11 17:28:56 <Spanska> it helps me learn actually
Oct 11 17:30:00 <Spanska> that line isn't working anyways: HolidayDates.newholidays = new Holidays(this.updateListModel.bind(this)); .. I get this error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'bind' of undefined
Oct 11 17:30:26 <Spanska> ah.. I know why actually
Oct 11 17:36:58 <hotdp> teemu the wiki update is done :P
Oct 11 18:50:09 <Deihmos> palm pre 2
Oct 11 18:51:05 <halfhalo> nice
Oct 11 18:52:33 <Deihmos> http://palm.sfr.fr/actus-list/decouvrez-le-nouveau-ne-de-la-gamme-palm-en-avant-premiere-chez-sfr-le-palm-pre-2/
Oct 11 18:57:06 <Spanska> it's not even coming up here
Oct 11 18:57:44 <hotdp> whats not comming?
Oct 11 18:59:02 <Deihmos> really suprised palm went with the same design
Oct 11 18:59:14 <hotdp> i like the design?
Oct 11 18:59:24 <Spanska> the URL above
Oct 11 18:59:25 <hotdp> and there will be more phones i am sure
Oct 11 18:59:26 <Spanska> it times out here
Oct 11 18:59:58 <hotdp> ofc
Oct 11 19:01:07 <Spanska> hrm, same with the IP address
Oct 11 19:02:09 <hotdp> dont you think they pull the site down?
Oct 11 19:02:36 <Spanska> yeah, too bad it is heh
Oct 11 19:02:51 <Spanska> PreCentral already made a news about this
Oct 11 19:02:59 <hotdp> yer have read it
Oct 11 19:03:32 <hotdp> anyone know what the names are on the icons for the command menu?
Oct 11 19:05:38 <Deihmos> works for me
Oct 11 19:06:30 * haeffb would like a faster Pre with better battery life...
Oct 11 19:06:44 <haeffb> which icons?
Oct 11 19:06:59 <Deihmos> can already get the pre to 1ghz
Oct 11 19:07:00 <haeffb> like the names in global-menus.css ?
Oct 11 19:07:17 <haeffb> so, you'll be able to get this one to 2ghz
Oct 11 19:07:47 <Deihmos> preferred if they had something with a larger screen. would be like getting the same phone again
Oct 11 19:10:19 * haeffb assumes the tablet will have a larger screen...
Oct 11 19:11:51 <Deihmos> for a phone
Oct 11 19:12:07 <sugardave> it would be "like" getting the same phone...but it wouldn't be the same phone, now, would it?
Oct 11 19:12:30 <Deihmos> not at all interested in tablets
Oct 11 19:14:14 <sugardave> Deihmos: so you won't b emaking apps to take advantage of the increased screen real estate?
Oct 11 19:14:18 <sugardave> I"m not sure that's a good idea
Oct 11 19:14:49 <Deihmos> not a developer
Oct 11 19:15:07 <sugardave> oh
Oct 11 19:27:30 <macman_> http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/frances-sfr-jumps-gun-announces-palm-pre-2-1ghz-processor-51/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter
Oct 11 19:27:32 <macman_> good news eh
Oct 11 19:27:59 <sugardave> macman_: apparently not, Deihmos says it's crap because it looks like the Pre
Oct 11 19:28:05 <sugardave> so it's "just the same phone"
Oct 11 19:28:21 <macman_> haha
Oct 11 19:28:33 <sugardave> I guess it needs a new paintjob or something
Oct 11 19:28:33 <Deihmos> can't recall saying that
Oct 11 19:28:36 <macman_> how ?
Oct 11 19:28:46 <macman_> 1ghz 528ram webos 2.0
Oct 11 19:30:32 <Spanska> hopefully they will release this one on TELUS' network
Oct 11 19:36:22 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: So.... Palm Pre 2, eh? :)
Oct 11 19:37:09 <sugardave> maybe THAT'S why I haven't heard from dev relations yet, they're trying to decide if they want to send me one of those, instead ;)
Oct 11 19:37:32 <Roy-Pre101> Could be!
Oct 11 19:37:40 <sugardave> IT COULD HAPPEN!
Oct 11 19:40:09 <chuqui> don't ask me. I don't know anything. but you knew that long ago...
Oct 11 19:45:17 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Oct 11 19:49:52 <haeffb> hey chuqui
Oct 11 19:50:55 <chuqui> haeffb: hey
Oct 11 19:51:38 <sugardave> chuqui: can you get a review removed if the reviewer lied about not getting support?
Oct 11 19:52:00 <haeffb> he didn't lie about not getting it. he lied about asking for it.
Oct 11 19:52:17 <haeffb> but he truly didn't get it.
Oct 11 19:52:32 <chuqui> send me an email with the details. I'll consider it.
Oct 11 19:52:39 <sugardave> "no response from developer" is technically true if you didn't send the amil in the first place, I guess
Oct 11 19:52:46 <sugardave> chuqui: thanks, will do
Oct 11 19:52:54 <haeffb> sugardave: please tell UT to beat Nebraska this weekend. Thanks.
Oct 11 19:53:22 <sugardave> yeah, that's probably not going to happen :(
Oct 11 19:56:37 <Roy-Pre101> I've got some ratings on my apps that say 'could not download'
Oct 11 19:58:25 <sugardave> this one I am fighting right now also states the "app won't connect" and "is a waste of money"...that's okay, but telling people I don't respond to support requests is not going to work for me
Oct 11 20:02:01 <hotdp> haeffb the names in global-menus.css ? <-- yes
Oct 11 20:03:41 <hotdp> I also have 0 stars "can not install app at all" Hope fututecatalog gives more chances to answer peoples wrong comments and bad rating :D
Oct 11 20:35:46 <SineOt> gotta say, the matte edging on that shot of the Pre 2 is pretty nice looking
Oct 11 20:36:00 <SineOt> wonder if it'll have a magnetic flap for the charger like the Pixi does
Oct 11 20:38:26 <t8> hey guys, have a quick question
Oct 11 20:38:33 <t8> what is the diference between main js and main html?
Oct 11 20:38:46 <t8> It seems like on launch, index.html appears for a brief second and then main.html is called
Oct 11 20:38:50 <sugardave> file extension?
Oct 11 20:39:03 <t8> but, js contains the stytling
Oct 11 20:39:09 <sugardave> it was a joke
Oct 11 20:39:15 <sugardave> .html contains the html
Oct 11 20:39:19 <t8> in my "views" folder, there is a "amin" folder
Oct 11 20:39:24 <sugardave> .js contains the jsvascript
Oct 11 20:39:28 <t8> right...
Oct 11 20:39:33 <sugardave> that's the difference
Oct 11 20:39:39 <t8> does index.html only appear for a couple seconds... is this normal?
Oct 11 20:39:40 <sugardave> one is layout
Oct 11 20:39:42 <sugardave> one is code
Oct 11 20:40:04 <sugardave> index.html is what is specified in the appinfo.json file as the start page for your app
Oct 11 20:40:50 <t8> got it
Oct 11 20:41:22 <t8> it looks like i shouldnt use CSS
Oct 11 20:41:25 <t8> to make buttons,is this correct?
Oct 11 20:41:47 <sugardave> you should use mojo widgets
Oct 11 20:41:54 <t8> o
Oct 11 20:41:55 <t8> ok
Oct 11 20:42:01 <sugardave> and then css to style them
Oct 11 20:42:02 <oil> widgets ftw
Oct 11 20:42:32 <t8> I'm using the index.html to just display an image
Oct 11 20:42:36 <t8> as a "loading page"
Oct 11 20:42:37 <t8> or whatever
Oct 11 20:42:53 <oil> clear index.html of everything but css include and mojo script tag
Oct 11 20:43:01 <oil> empty body tag
Oct 11 20:43:22 <t8> I'm using Ares
Oct 11 20:43:22 <t8> yep
Oct 11 20:43:24 <SineOt> hm, so any CSS should get tossed in index.html?
Oct 11 20:43:38 <oil> well, the include line, not the actual css :)
Oct 11 20:43:55 <SineOt> well that's what I meant ;P
Oct 11 20:43:59 <SineOt> Inline CSS is gross :<
Oct 11 20:44:05 <sugardave> 144!
Oct 11 20:44:10 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=index.html;h=603ff7c1f0b28e591a960945fd7e882e5c472dab;hb=HEAD
Oct 11 20:44:14 <oil> thats all you need in index
Oct 11 20:44:39 <t8> Yep
Oct 11 20:47:49 <t8> So for the scene's html
Oct 11 20:47:56 <t8> I have to point to it in the widget that resides in the JS?
Oct 11 20:48:59 <sugardave> t8: widgets are just divs, and then in the .js you set it up, manipulate it, etc.
Oct 11 20:49:07 <sugardave> if it's Ares though, all bets are off
Oct 11 20:49:09 <t8> ok
Oct 11 20:49:13 <t8> I'm using Ares
Oct 11 20:49:14 <sugardave> no idea how to mess with widgets in ares
Oct 11 20:49:18 <t8> a little tricky, but making something
Oct 11 20:49:18 <sugardave> sorry
Oct 11 20:49:19 <t8> Yea
Oct 11 20:49:28 <t8> you get to a scene's JS and a scene's html
Oct 11 20:50:31 <t8> Making these apps are a lot harder, actually
Oct 11 20:50:37 <t8> Cause you have to follow  style guide
Oct 11 20:52:15 <sugardave> didn't you make some already?
Oct 11 20:52:33 <t8> Yea
Oct 11 20:52:38 <t8> but i am just making it tidy
Oct 11 20:55:33 <haeffb> hibye swisstomcat
Oct 11 21:05:39 <Tibfib> so based on any/all of the leaks, do we know what US carrier?
Oct 11 21:05:55 <Tibfib> for pre 2
Oct 11 21:07:16 <Tibfib> Do we just know CDMA?
Oct 11 21:07:25 <sugardave> sprint, please
Oct 11 21:09:27 * Tibfib hopes sprint, but will go wherever the phone goes
Oct 11 21:14:51 <radiofreejohn> i was hoping for a larger screen, i don't need another 1ghz Pre... no matter how much ram it has
Oct 11 21:15:36 <SineOt> with it stock at 1ghz, just think about how much higher you could get it :p
Oct 11 21:16:00 <radiofreejohn> cpu speed and memory are not what I feel limits webos right now anyways
Oct 11 21:16:07 <Tibfib> I feel like the only person excited for the palm pre 2.
Oct 11 21:16:25 <radiofreejohn> you aren't the only person, but you and the rest could throw a party in a conference room I think
Oct 11 21:16:32 <radiofreejohn> but
Oct 11 21:16:40 <radiofreejohn> we already know the pre2 isn't the only device slated for release
Oct 11 21:16:43 <radiofreejohn> so fingers crossed
Oct 11 21:16:50 <SineOt> personally :x
Oct 11 21:16:55 <SineOt> I'm more excited for Broadway
Oct 11 21:17:06 <SineOt> because I'm weird
Oct 11 21:17:55 <Deihmos> If it's not the only device I don't get why they would release that one first.
Oct 11 21:18:11 <SineOt> lots of reasons I can think of
Oct 11 21:18:16 <Deihmos> A flop in the making
Oct 11 21:18:25 <SineOt> the fact that it's not a major redesign/new form factor
Oct 11 21:19:06 <Tibfib> I'm betting/hoping pree2 this month, or next, and SUPER phone and CES.
Oct 11 21:19:10 <Tibfib> at CES*
Oct 11 21:19:11 <Deihmos> The first form factor wasn't exactly a hit to begin with
Oct 11 21:19:37 <Tibfib> I like it a lot. The pre2 looks like they perfected it...
Oct 11 21:19:52 <SineOt> by new form factor I mean it's not a slate
Oct 11 21:19:59 <SineOt> if you're going release two or three phones
Oct 11 21:20:15 <SineOt> it'd be dumb to go "HEY here's a SWEET SLATE" then a few weeks later go "oh and the Pre2"
Oct 11 21:20:45 <radiofreejohn> comes down to resources, they probably couldn't come out swinging with a whole new redesign
Oct 11 21:21:02 <radiofreejohn> and they had to just shop around for more cost effective higher speed internals for the existing form factor
Oct 11 21:21:33 <radiofreejohn> i am sure this was all in the pipe well before the HP acquisition, so maybe they began work on something more after the buy, who knows
Oct 11 21:21:43 <SineOt> the SFR picture does make it look like the screen portion of the slider is pretty heavily redesigned though
Oct 11 21:21:44 <radiofreejohn> it's just too slow of a release cycle to satisfy a market that is used to yearly reboots
Oct 11 21:21:46 <SineOt> which should be nice
Oct 11 21:22:12 <Tibfib> it looks like this :)
Oct 11 21:22:12 <Tibfib> http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/future-palm-devices/52540d1286754454-pre2-palmpad-watch-mock-up-contest-entry-palmpre2_palmpad_palmwatch_-virox-b.jpg
Oct 11 21:22:37 <Tibfib> but not quite as good
Oct 11 21:22:44 <SineOt> haha, yeah, it does I suppose
Oct 11 21:23:05 <SineOt> well for the "not as good" bit I'm going to with hold that until there's more than just a dinky thumbnail of it
Oct 11 21:25:23 <radiofreejohn> costs a lot less to make a mock up than to build a device, so mock ups usually look better :)
Oct 11 21:25:24 <Tibfib> Meh, I still think the mockup looks better
Oct 11 21:26:03 <Tibfib> radiofreejohn: it looks like a nexus one though
Oct 11 21:26:12 <radiofreejohn> yeah i like the rectangular shape
Oct 11 21:26:26 <radiofreejohn> and larger screen
Oct 11 21:26:48 <Tibfib> I would be 100% satisfied with that phone. At least until next next CES
Oct 11 21:26:50 <Tibfib> :)
Oct 11 21:27:38 <radiofreejohn> the mock up or the pre 2? :P
Oct 11 21:28:13 <Tibfib> mock up
Oct 11 21:28:42 <radiofreejohn> ditto :P
Oct 11 21:29:01 <radiofreejohn> i'd even go with the pre2 if I could get that flexible oled watch :)
Oct 11 21:29:41 <Tibfib> lol, I don't think I'd buy the watch.. If I did, I doubt I'd use it in public...
Oct 11 21:30:10 <Tibfib> wear*
Oct 11 21:30:29 <radiofreejohn> i'm a nerd so it would be ok
Oct 11 21:30:56 <Tibfib> I'd just get mugged.
Oct 11 21:31:08 <Tibfib> lol.
Oct 11 21:39:31 <radiofreejohn> that sfr site is super questionable, so many of the images on there are poorly photoshopped makes me wonder if the pre2 thing is all jacked up
Oct 11 21:39:46 <radiofreejohn> they have images of pixis with pre screen captures photoshopped onto them, overlapping the gesture area
Oct 11 21:40:06 <SineOt> sounds like most carriers ;p
Oct 11 21:40:19 <SineOt> Microsoft even had Angry Birds on WP7... lol
Oct 11 21:41:07 <creationix> palm watch!
Oct 11 21:42:25 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 11 21:43:11 <rwhitby> radiofreejohn: check the exif on the pre2 image
Oct 11 21:44:48 <CTLAdvance-pre> hmm.
Oct 11 21:46:07 <t8> So... I figured out how to have only the index.html display without going anywhere
Oct 11 21:46:11 <t8> I'm not using any views
Oct 11 21:46:14 <t8> Just raw html files
Oct 11 21:46:21 <t8> (and linking between them)
Oct 11 21:46:29 <radiofreejohn> rwhitby: ah :)
Oct 11 21:47:26 <CTLAdvance-pre> blame oil for you issues
Oct 11 21:47:41 <CTLAdvance-pre> oh wait
Oct 11 21:48:00 <oilsworkn> :/
Oct 11 21:48:03 <CTLAdvance-pre> joking
Oct 11 21:48:19 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: What's in the exif?
Oct 11 21:49:26 <radiofreejohn> name of photographer
Oct 11 21:49:27 <radiofreejohn> and date of photo
Oct 11 21:54:48 * Tibfib is excited for glu mobile's LOTR tower defense game
Oct 11 21:55:17 <oilsworkn> will there be a tower with a big eye on top?
Oct 11 21:55:25 <Tibfib> I hope so
Oct 11 21:57:20 <Tibfib> no. There BETTER be.
Oct 11 21:58:33 <oilsworkn> but really, that tower would be a bad guy, no?
Oct 11 21:59:01 <oilsworkn> or are you the bad guy killing hobbits, elves, etc?
Oct 11 21:59:02 <Tibfib> if glu smart, you'll be able to be both sides
Oct 11 21:59:10 <Tibfib> is*
Oct 11 22:10:10 <Tibfib> doh, I hate it when people give glowing text reviews with less than 5 stars
Oct 11 22:11:54 <SineOt> how many stars did they give?
Oct 11 22:12:37 <macman_> Tibfib, if the app sucks then it sucks
Oct 11 22:12:38 <macman_> j/k
Oct 11 22:13:03 <Tibfib> got a 4 star review saying it works flawlessly
Oct 11 22:13:06 <Tibfib> macman_: thanks :P
Oct 11 22:13:34 <Tibfib> which, in all honestly, it doesn't :)
Oct 11 22:14:16 <CTLAdvance-pre> tibfib there is always room for improvement no matter what it is
Oct 11 22:14:18 <CTLAdvance-pre> :)
Oct 11 22:14:27 <oilsworkn> 0-stars "Great App"
Oct 11 22:14:28 <macman_> so
Oct 11 22:14:30 <macman_> good news i think
Oct 11 22:14:32 <oilsworkn> is my favorite
Oct 11 22:14:34 <CTLAdvance-pre> in japan you would be lucky to get 4 stars
Oct 11 22:14:39 <macman_> my brother in law is on sprint and im on ATT
Oct 11 22:14:47 <macman_> he is giving away his pre so i can use it for testing
Oct 11 22:14:48 <macman_> or a feel
Oct 11 22:14:50 <macman_> kinda nice
Oct 11 22:14:54 <Tibfib> hah, I know. but they said "flawless". If they said "I wish it did XXX". I'd be much happier
Oct 11 22:14:59 <CTLAdvance-pre> no stars doesn't impact rank per chuqui
Oct 11 22:15:06 <CTLAdvance-pre> unless it has changed
Oct 11 22:15:15 <Tibfib> While 4 stars, kills my 5 star average.
Oct 11 22:15:18 <CTLAdvance-pre> oh I see
Oct 11 22:15:27 * Tibfib feels like a snob.
Oct 11 22:16:07 <CTLAdvance-pre> you are
Oct 11 22:16:07 * oilsworkn hates it when 1 star reviews kills his flawless 2.5 star rating
Oct 11 22:16:24 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 11 22:17:34 <macman_> lol
Oct 11 22:18:16 <oilsworkn> the best part about all my other apps, is nobody can review them, MUWAHAHAHA
Oct 11 22:18:35 <CTLAdvance-pre> I hate people that review apps and are like 'lame'
Oct 11 22:18:39 * halfhalo somehow has a 3.5 star rating on apps that no longer work
Oct 11 22:18:51 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: wIRC is a solid 2. preware gets a 3.
Oct 11 22:18:55 <halfhalo> or are in the app catalog
Oct 11 22:18:57 <CTLAdvance-pre> lol
Oct 11 22:19:00 <macman_> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/11/liu-wei-armless-pianist-w_n_758407.html < -- Armless pianist wins chinas got talent .. i feel sad for all the people with 2 arms .. do they feel dumb or what ?
Oct 11 22:19:01 * Tibfib just reviewed the unreviewable
Oct 11 22:19:08 <oilsworkn> ha, but you missed some!
Oct 11 22:19:18 <halfhalo> govnah is a 1
Oct 11 22:19:20 <oilsworkn> and, nobody will see your review once the backlog gets longer
Oct 11 22:19:22 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: everything else is a 1.
Oct 11 22:19:40 * Tibfib will periodically update the chat with the scores :)
Oct 11 22:19:42 * oilsworkn remembers this next time Tibfib needs a snippit >:)
Oct 11 22:19:48 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 11 22:20:29 <CTLAdvance-pre> hmm
Oct 11 22:20:53 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: someone needs to add aboutToActivate callback.defer() to the homebrew documentation app
Oct 11 22:21:11 <oilsworkn> someone != oil
Oct 11 22:21:27 <oilsworkn> the repo is there, clone, fix, commit, push
Oct 11 22:21:42 <Tibfib> that's not worth 2 lines of code.
Oct 11 22:21:54 <halfhalo> hahahaha
Oct 11 22:22:08 <oilsworkn> psh
Oct 11 22:22:32 <CTLAdvance-pre> oil.+ bp = spill, spill = 1253 -1000 - 230 = 23
Oct 11 22:22:37 <CTLAdvance-pre> oil = 23
Oct 11 22:22:46 <oilsworkn> um
Oct 11 22:22:47 <oilsworkn> ok?
Oct 11 22:23:23 <Tibfib> lol. there are more than one homebrew how-to apps
Oct 11 22:23:28 <CTLAdvance-pre> 11 + 12 = 23 = oil
Oct 11 22:23:40 * oilsworkn is older then 23
Oct 11 22:24:26 <CTLAdvance-pre> halfhalo = 46 - oil = 23 = oil
Oct 11 22:24:58 <halfhalo> ?
Oct 11 22:24:58 <oilsworkn> what you're saying makes no sense!
Oct 11 22:25:19 <CTLAdvance-pre> halfhalo writes bad code, 23 = oil = oils fault
Oct 11 22:25:36 <oilsworkn> its not my fault his code is bad
Oct 11 22:25:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 11 22:25:56 <CTLAdvance-pre> your right oilsworkin, I said oil
Oct 11 22:26:03 <CTLAdvance-pre> :)
Oct 11 22:27:10 <halfhalo> My code isn't bad... its just not working!
Oct 11 22:27:15 <oilsworkn> but we're one in the same!
Oct 11 22:27:25 <CTLAdvance-pre> who
Oct 11 22:27:47 <SineOt> your code is mildly dysfunctional then
Oct 11 22:28:31 <CTLAdvance-pre> my app is only gettin my coordinates of 23,23 which is the international location of oil
Oct 11 22:29:42 <CTLAdvance-pre> ok enough of this
Oct 11 22:29:49 <CTLAdvance-pre> back to work
Oct 11 22:30:58 <oilsworkn> enough of not making sense? i agree
Oct 11 22:31:22 <CTLAdvance-pre> yes exactly,coffee kicked in
Oct 11 22:31:40 <CTLAdvance-pre> work to be done
Oct 11 22:32:42 <CTLAdvance-pre> it's interesting to see a broken down 747 in the airport gate area
Oct 11 22:33:00 <CTLAdvance-pre> they are directing planes around it
Oct 11 22:36:52 <keith> should i run f102a or uberkernel?
Oct 11 22:36:54 <keith> er
Oct 11 22:37:11 <rwhitby> Tibfib: what line, what file?
Oct 11 22:37:41 <Tibfib> rwhitby: lemme find the line
Oct 11 22:37:53 <CTLAdvance-pre> keith!
Oct 11 22:38:00 <keith> ctladvance!
Oct 11 22:38:02 <CTLAdvance-pre> run uber imo
Oct 11 22:38:04 <oilsworkn> oil!
Oct 11 22:38:05 <oilsworkn> wait
Oct 11 22:38:11 <keith> ok
Oct 11 22:38:11 <CTLAdvance-pre> oil!
Oct 11 22:38:36 <keith> alot of ppl say delta dagger is better
Oct 11 22:38:40 <keith> soo
Oct 11 22:38:43 <keith> i wanted to ask :)
Oct 11 22:39:14 <Tibfib> rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/4Swt52mb at line 16 of topic-assistant.js
Oct 11 22:39:17 <CTLAdvance-pre> uber seems to run smoother and I think it has more options
Oct 11 22:39:47 <rwhitby> Tibfib: what will that do?
Oct 11 22:39:51 * rwhitby is a Mojo newbie
Oct 11 22:40:10 <Tibfib> rwhitby: it'll make the scenes load better. right now they flash "body" and other scene text, then load the content
Oct 11 22:40:26 <Tibfib> that should give it enough time to go straight to the content. Looks better imo
Oct 11 22:40:29 <rwhitby> ah, good.
Oct 11 22:41:03 <rwhitby> Tibfib: how would you like to be credited in the Credits scene?
Oct 11 22:41:09 <rwhitby> Tibfib or some other name?
Oct 11 22:41:10 <Tibfib> hah, don't worry about it.
Oct 11 22:41:53 * rwhitby hopes to get lots of code from lots of people, so the Credits scene will be a couple of pages long
Oct 11 22:42:24 <mbarvian> can someone help me with a super-simple sql problem? :)
Oct 11 22:42:26 <Tibfib> well in that case! Will Honey (Tibfib) will do
Oct 11 22:42:32 <oilsworkn> put it "guy who rates govnah a 1 star"
Oct 11 22:42:37 <rwhitby> heh
Oct 11 22:42:43 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 11 22:42:50 <Deihmos> how do you rate givnah
Oct 11 22:42:56 <Deihmos> govnah
Oct 11 22:43:05 <Tibfib> govnah is a 3!
Oct 11 22:43:06 <Tibfib> that's how.
Oct 11 22:43:09 <halfhalo> Fill out a postcard and mail it!
Oct 11 22:43:33 <halfhalo> actually that would be pretty cool...
Oct 11 22:43:51 * oilsworkn posts his address in hope of receiving cookies
Oct 11 22:44:04 <CTLAdvance-pre> dave and shane mail a postcard for the very first time
Oct 11 22:45:06 <Tibfib> rwhitby: so did you code most of the doc app?
Oct 11 22:45:26 <rwhitby> Tibfib: I was the person who did the cutting and pasting, yes.
Oct 11 22:45:35 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 11 22:45:37 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 11 22:46:14 <CTLAdvance-pre> rwhitby,i think you have earned a postcard, address or po box?
Oct 11 22:46:29 <CTLAdvance-pre> you have earned my .99
Oct 11 22:46:39 <mbarvian> ?
Oct 11 22:47:23 <rwhitby> Tibfib: actually, there is some original code of mine in PHD, believe it or not.
Oct 11 22:47:43 <rwhitby> and I had to fix some of oilsworkn's bugs too ... ;)
Oct 11 22:47:53 <oilsworkn> everyone should be fixing those
Oct 11 22:47:57 <Tibfib> haha
Oct 11 22:48:57 <oilsworkn> or else ill keep getting blamed for crap
Oct 11 22:49:26 <mbarvian> is it possible to remove an HTML5 database?
Oct 11 22:50:18 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: you can't stop that
Oct 11 22:53:02 <SineOt> Has anyone ever used the SVN support in Ares? :s
Oct 11 22:53:08 * oilsworkn has not
Oct 11 22:54:07 <SineOt> derp c_c
Oct 11 22:54:11 <SineOt> never mind figured it out
Oct 11 22:55:00 <Tibfib> Has anyone ever used ares?
Oct 11 22:55:12 <halfhalo> not since 'Nam
Oct 11 22:55:45 <oilsworkn> some people are ares fanatics
Oct 11 22:56:32 <Tibfib> I feel like if you want to make a serious app, which is mostly the apps worth developing, you have to use the sdk
Oct 11 22:57:11 <SineOt> I'm honestly only using it for the IDE part, and I'm writing most everything by hand :p
Oct 11 22:57:23 <oilsworkn> the problem is, the text editor is so bad
Oct 11 22:57:26 <SineOt> it's nice to have an accessible anywhere IDE that works as long as you have a webbrowser
Oct 11 22:57:42 <SineOt> I don't know, it doesn't seem too bad
Oct 11 22:57:43 <SineOt> well
Oct 11 22:57:44 <radiofreejohn> i wrote my app with vim mostly, though i started in eclipse to create the strcuture
Oct 11 22:57:46 <radiofreejohn> structure
Oct 11 22:58:05 <oilsworkn> oh, pullin out the vim card, lol
Oct 11 22:58:09 <SineOt> aside from that weird ass bug I found where if I used it within Fluid, it'd do double tabs and double deletes
Oct 11 22:58:13 <SineOt> yeah I'm not touching vim so lol
Oct 11 22:58:14 <radiofreejohn> i use command mode way too much
Oct 11 22:58:29 <oilsworkn> i use eclipse with the vi plugin!
Oct 11 22:58:30 <radiofreejohn> i was a pico man until I had to setup a Solaris system long ago and the only editor was vi
Oct 11 22:58:31 <oilsworkn> so ha!
Oct 11 22:58:32 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 11 22:58:40 <radiofreejohn> once I figured it out, I found it to have endless utility
Oct 11 22:59:02 <SineOt> oh, there is another annoying bug with Ares
Oct 11 22:59:09 <oilsworkn> yeah, vi is obviously the best text editor ever, but beyond that, i use eclipse for webos dev
Oct 11 22:59:17 <SineOt> the text editor won't use the system clip board :T
Oct 11 22:59:18 <oilsworkn> 1 button package/install/run is useful to me
Oct 11 22:59:20 <SineOt> it has its own
Oct 11 22:59:37 <SineOt> that is only used within the text editor
Oct 11 22:59:39 * halfhalo uses nano or textmate
Oct 11 22:59:53 <oilsworkn> yeah, lack of global clipboard = fail
Oct 11 23:00:09 <SineOt> the sad thing? it has global clipboard for everything else
Oct 11 23:00:14 <SineOt> just not the text editor
Oct 11 23:00:33 <CTLAdvance-pre> has anyone ircd from a plane yet in here
Oct 11 23:00:35 <CTLAdvance-pre> ?
Oct 11 23:00:38 <Tibfib> notepad++.
Oct 11 23:00:39 <radiofreejohn> on my mac I like Espresso
Oct 11 23:00:46 <CTLAdvance-pre> wircd*
Oct 11 23:01:04 <CTLAdvance-pre> I second notepad++ best editor ever
Oct 11 23:01:04 <oilsworkn> the next flight im on with internets i will
Oct 11 23:01:13 <oilsworkn> but, thats a relatively new thing in the way of air travel
Oct 11 23:01:29 <CTLAdvance-pre> it's also usually a 10 spot
Oct 11 23:01:54 <oilsworkn> which is worth it
Oct 11 23:01:57 <oilsworkn> for any flight over 1 hour
Oct 11 23:02:02 <halfhalo> first class ftw
Oct 11 23:02:09 * oilsworkn is not rich
Oct 11 23:02:16 <halfhalo> who said anything about paying?
Oct 11 23:02:17 * oilsworkn is seat next to the bathroom flyer
Oct 11 23:02:21 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 11 23:02:47 <oilsworkn> which, lets be honest, is the best seat in the plane
Oct 11 23:02:51 <SineOt> lol
Oct 11 23:02:54 <SineOt> unless it's a tiny plane
Oct 11 23:03:04 <SineOt> where seat next to the bathroom also means you get the one that doesn't recline
Oct 11 23:03:10 <SineOt> and is right next to the engines
Oct 11 23:03:13 <CTLAdvance-pre> yeah I'm usually the seat just behind first class, almost there but not quite
Oct 11 23:03:18 <SineOt> so you feel like your teeth will rattle out the entire flight
Oct 11 23:03:29 <halfhalo> I flew first class to hawaii
Oct 11 23:03:31 <halfhalo> was nice
Oct 11 23:03:47 <oilsworkn> jeez moneybags
Oct 11 23:03:53 <oilsworkn> fly me out to new york for devdays
Oct 11 23:04:00 <Tibfib> me too please.
Oct 11 23:04:01 <CTLAdvance-pre> yeah I've flown it a few times, now it's even better than it used to be
Oct 11 23:04:04 <halfhalo> well, the hotel was free, so it evened out
Oct 11 23:04:11 <halfhalo> and I cant afford to go to dev days myself
Oct 11 23:04:16 <oilsworkn> lies
Oct 11 23:04:24 <SineOt> I flew in this http://seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Canadair_CRJ700_C.php in seat 18F
Oct 11 23:04:32 <SineOt> don't ever fly on Canadair planes :V
Oct 11 23:04:34 * oilsworkn gets mental image of halfhalo diving into a pile of money ala scrooge mcduck
Oct 11 23:04:53 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 11 23:05:05 <halfhalo> only if its monopoly money
Oct 11 23:05:42 <oilsworkn> you'd have to be pretty rich to be able to buy enough copies of monopoly to create a pile of monopoly money large enough to dive into
Oct 11 23:05:52 <oilsworkn> ha!
Oct 11 23:05:56 <halfhalo> not with a color laserjet!
Oct 11 23:05:59 <halfhalo> and colored paper!
Oct 11 23:06:00 <oilsworkn> oh
Oct 11 23:06:02 <oilsworkn> well, thats cheating
Oct 11 23:06:11 <oilsworkn> i bet you're always the banker in monopoly
Oct 11 23:06:12 <halfhalo> and?
Oct 11 23:06:14 * CTLAdvance-pre will remain on wirc until his connection drops at 10k feet give or take
Oct 11 23:06:15 <oilsworkn> cheater
Oct 11 23:06:41 <oilsworkn> oh shit, im here 5 mins longer then i should be
Oct 11 23:06:42 <CTLAdvance-pre> yeah banker is bad always cheating
Oct 11 23:06:43 * oilsworkn goes home
Oct 11 23:06:47 <halfhalo> I'm never the banker.  I just end up with more money than the bank in the end
Oct 11 23:07:20 <mbarvian> nevermind guys I figured it out
Oct 11 23:07:25 <CTLAdvance-pre> damn tire change on the airplane
Oct 11 23:07:38 <halfhalo> lol?
Oct 11 23:08:56 <CTLAdvance-pre> no lol now I've been delayed
Oct 11 23:09:03 <CTLAdvance-pre> :)
Oct 11 23:09:17 <halfhalo> more time for irc!
Oct 11 23:10:07 <CTLAdvance-pre> yus!
Oct 11 23:10:30 <CTLAdvance-pre> and since samsung whored out the airport I have power
Oct 11 23:10:43 <CTLAdvance-pre> re: samsung charging station
Oct 11 23:12:28 <CTLAdvance-pre> I would be doing something valuable if I had only installed hotspot when I was home
Oct 11 23:13:26 <Tibfib> bad move.
Oct 11 23:13:56 <CTLAdvance-pre> yes it was
Oct 11 23:13:58 <SineOt> ~USB tether~
Oct 11 23:14:10 <CTLAdvance-pre> doesn't work on sprint
Oct 11 23:14:20 <SineOt> I do it on my Sprint Pixi all the time
Oct 11 23:14:26 <CTLAdvance-pre> unless you do something special
Oct 11 23:14:47 <SineOt> like installing hotspot isn't something special too :p
Oct 11 23:14:47 <CTLAdvance-pre> last time I did it,i was bloacked
Oct 11 23:15:15 <CTLAdvance-pre> what's ur process?hard to find a usb tethering person
Oct 11 23:15:37 <SineOt> freetether to enable IP forwarding
Oct 11 23:15:45 <CTLAdvance-pre> someone suggested duct tqpe :)
Oct 11 23:16:00 <CTLAdvance-pre> ok is that it?
Oct 11 23:16:02 <SineOt> then in terminal, I run a script that does "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o rmnet0 -j MASQUERADE"
Oct 11 23:16:04 <SineOt> and that's it
Oct 11 23:16:09 <SineOt> sticks around until a reboot
Oct 11 23:16:29 <SineOt> you also have to do usbnet enable from terminal on the phone too
Oct 11 23:16:31 <CTLAdvance-pre> what's ur os?
Oct 11 23:16:54 <SineOt> I do it under Linux right now but I used to do it under win7
Oct 11 23:17:00 <CTLAdvance-pre> thanks
Oct 11 23:20:11 <Tibfib> oil: wIRC needs aboutToActivate too.
Oct 11 23:24:10 <CTLAdvance-pre> oil: wirc need customizable action buttons
Oct 11 23:24:25 <CTLAdvance-pre> like
Oct 11 23:25:03 <CTLAdvance-pre> I think you get the idea
Oct 11 23:25:12 <CTLAdvance-pre> oh oil left
Oct 11 23:25:27 <SineOt> push button, tell people "doesn't work like that"
Oct 11 23:26:10 <CTLAdvance-pre> well maybe have the /me to start the post
Oct 12 00:01:18 <mbarvian> does anyone mind testing a new version of my app? you get a $1.99 app for free :)
Oct 12 00:02:19 <SineOt> sure, if it'll run on a Pixi
Oct 12 00:02:45 <mbarvian> SineOt: it will
Oct 12 00:02:53 <mbarvian> SineOt: do you have an e-mail I can send it to?
Oct 12 00:02:55 <mbarvian> :)
Oct 12 00:03:30 <SineOt> sure, mind if I PM it to you?
Oct 12 00:03:56 <mbarvian> SineOt: not at all. thanks for testing :)
Oct 12 00:26:47 <rwhitby> Tibfib: that bit of code works nicely - thanks.
Oct 12 00:35:59 <haeffb> rwhitby: Tibfib: better to stash the callback and then call it directly when the loading is done...
Oct 12 00:40:00 * oil wonders what this is about
Oct 12 00:41:52 <haeffb> what which?
Oct 12 00:42:35 <haeffb> aboutToActivate = function (callback) { this.callback = callback; loadMyData();};
Oct 12 00:43:01 <haeffb> ... //data loaded ...
Oct 12 00:43:05 <haeffb> this.callback();
Oct 12 01:10:05 <summatusmentis> \o/ my pre is supposed to come tomorrow
Oct 12 01:25:18 <JenP> hi all
Oct 12 01:27:55 <t8> Wow
Oct 12 01:27:57 <t8> I had webos all wrong
Oct 12 01:28:02 <t8> This thing is better than iOS!
Oct 12 01:28:29 <t8> I now understand how webos works: Everything is on the same layer, nothing like a webpage... which allows it easy to make collapseable categories and easier reference documents
Oct 12 01:28:48 <t8> This is amazing
Oct 12 01:29:49 <dawm> high five
Oct 12 01:36:35 <haeffb> hi five
Oct 12 02:00:26 <t8> Is there a way to change the collapseable text color from blue to black?
Oct 12 02:00:35 <t8> I change the color, but it only changes its contents
Oct 12 02:00:44 <t8> It seems I can edit the collapseable light blue color
Oct 12 02:03:09 <sugardave> arg, I took the service request I used to test convertDate from one app, put it in another, and now mojo tells me there's no date in the payload, when there sure as shit is
Oct 12 02:03:18 <sugardave> other app still working
Oct 12 02:03:19 <sugardave> wtf?
Oct 12 02:13:37 <mbarvian> anyone else want to beta test my app and get a $1.99 app for free? :) I'm loving the feedback so far
Oct 12 02:17:31 <summatusmentis> what is it?
Oct 12 02:18:39 <SineOt> a weight tracker app
Oct 12 02:18:47 <SineOt> uses CSS3 animations, it's pretty nice
Oct 12 02:25:11 <mbarvian> summatusmentis: are you interested?
Oct 12 02:26:35 <summatusmentis> eh, maybe?
Oct 12 02:26:41 <summatusmentis> I don't have a pre until tomorrow
Oct 12 02:29:57 <haeffb> mbarvian: send it to me at gmail
Oct 12 02:29:59 <mbarvian> summatusmentis: same here hopefully
Oct 12 02:30:08 <mbarvian> haeffb: thanks! can you just pm your gmail?
Oct 12 02:30:39 <haeffb> t8 - have you changed the CSS styles in your app.css?
Oct 12 02:30:47 <haeffb> oh, never mind.
Oct 12 02:30:54 <haeffb> mbarvian:....
Oct 12 02:30:57 <haeffb> <-- at gmail
Oct 12 02:31:01 <mbarvian> ah ok
Oct 12 02:31:02 <mbarvian> thanks
Oct 12 02:31:39 <haeffb> sugardave: something's different.
Oct 12 02:32:01 <SineOt> I really should have gone with more ram in this Mini :c
Oct 12 02:33:15 <mbarvian> haeffb: e-mail sent
Oct 12 02:33:38 <haeffb> installing
Oct 12 02:34:46 <SineOt> has anyone ever used moo.fx within their application?
Oct 12 02:34:51 <haeffb> 1) I had to scroll a long way to get to my current weight...
Oct 12 02:35:01 <mbarvian> haeffb: that was fast
Oct 12 02:35:02 <mbarvian> :)
Oct 12 02:35:11 <haeffb> why not use mojo buttons?
Oct 12 02:35:13 <mbarvian> haeffb: yeah I know.  I need to change it somehow.  Any ideas?
Oct 12 02:35:32 <mbarvian> haeffb: in what way?
Oct 12 02:38:10 <haeffb> use an integer picker for each digit.
Oct 12 02:38:21 <mbarvian> haeffb: good idea
Oct 12 02:38:39 <mbarvian> haeffb: I'll definitely try.  don't know if there's enough room on one line though.  might have to use css hacks
Oct 12 02:38:49 <haeffb> you could probably style them the same as your display and it would look like just swiping hte numbers up/down
Oct 12 02:39:00 <sugardave> date picker gets 3 integer picker size boxes on one line
Oct 12 02:39:05 <sugardave> no prolem
Oct 12 02:39:11 <sugardave> problem, either
Oct 12 02:39:15 <mbarvian> sugardave: perfect! I'll try that
Oct 12 02:39:50 <sugardave> haeffb: the only thing different is the different app
Oct 12 02:40:08 <haeffb> 2) I'd rather enter my weight each (day) than how much I lost/gained.
Oct 12 02:40:24 <sugardave> it's really bizarre...I resorted to passing the test string which should work with luna, works with the other app...but here Mojo says 'no date in payload'
Oct 12 02:40:27 <haeffb> this southpark is full of boobies
Oct 12 02:40:37 <mbarvian> lol
Oct 12 02:41:06 <mbarvian> haeffb: did you try the graph view?
Oct 12 02:41:33 <haeffb> yes, but don't have much data to graph yet.
Oct 12 02:41:43 <mbarvian> haeffb: yes, it looks better when you do ;)
Oct 12 02:41:49 <mbarvian> haeffb: and when you set up a goal
Oct 12 02:42:08 <haeffb> the graph looks sharp
Oct 12 02:42:18 <haeffb> goal/graph view are hidden in the menu
Oct 12 02:42:20 <mbarvian> haeffb: thanks! i spent a lot of time on it :)
Oct 12 02:42:41 <mbarvian> haeffb: agreed.  didn't think of a better way to do that.  I'll try to think of something though.  they're far too hidden for my liking
Oct 12 02:42:42 <sugardave> arg
Oct 12 02:42:48 <haeffb> I'd prefer to have maybe a command menu or view menu with toggleCmd to toggle between the different views.
Oct 12 02:42:49 <sugardave> it was something different
Oct 12 02:42:59 <sugardave> paramters != parameters
Oct 12 02:43:08 <mbarvian> haeffb: agreed.  I'll try to fit one in somewhere :)
Oct 12 02:43:20 <haeffb> <haeffb> sugardave: something's different.
Oct 12 02:43:29 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 12 02:43:36 <sugardave> haeffb was right :D
Oct 12 02:44:05 <haeffb> mbarvian: make not of that ^^^^. it doesn't happen very often
Oct 12 02:44:20 <mbarvian> haeffb: what's that?
Oct 12 02:44:31 <haeffb> mbarvian: do you know what I mean by command menu with toggle?
Oct 12 02:44:40 <mbarvian> haeffb: yes.  I think so
Oct 12 02:44:51 <mbarvian> haeffb: like, three buttons on the bottom of the screen in the command menu?
Oct 12 02:44:52 <haeffb> also, how about a list of the weight data
Oct 12 02:44:58 <haeffb> yep.
Oct 12 02:45:04 <mbarvian> haeffb: would you like to see just a list?
Oct 12 02:45:06 <haeffb> or view menu on top. either woudl work
Oct 12 02:45:21 <mbarvian> haeffb: hmmm. what is a view menu?  I haven't seen one
Oct 12 02:45:31 <haeffb> like a command menu, but on top.
Oct 12 02:45:42 <mbarvian> haeffb: ok.  I'll definitely look into it
Oct 12 02:45:48 <mbarvian> :)
Oct 12 02:46:11 <haeffb> like so: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/taskadder
Oct 12 02:46:35 <haeffb> Cartman is getting poor and stupid so he can become a NASCAR fan.
Oct 12 02:46:36 <mbarvian> haeffb: that would look VERY good
Oct 12 02:46:53 <mbarvian> haeffb: I think I am going to add it :)
Oct 12 02:47:00 <haeffb> Weight|Goal|Graph
Oct 12 02:47:24 <mbarvian> haeffb: perfect !
Oct 12 02:47:29 <mbarvian> haeffb: it will be added for sure!
Oct 12 02:47:31 <haeffb> you could easily add a list below your stats as well.
Oct 12 02:47:43 <mbarvian> haeffb: just within that scroller there?
Oct 12 02:47:57 <haeffb> do you have a scroller? sure.
Oct 12 02:48:05 <mbarvian> haeffb: if it requires it, it scrolls :)
Oct 12 02:48:16 <haeffb> good for pixi
Oct 12 02:48:22 <mbarvian> haeffb: exactly :D
Oct 12 02:48:50 <Tibfib> this is what css should be: http://lesscss.org/index.html
Oct 12 02:49:04 <haeffb> add another divider with - History ------- and a list below that.
Oct 12 02:49:08 <sugardave> ha, check this out
Oct 12 02:49:13 <mbarvian> haeffb: great idea!
Oct 12 02:49:26 <mbarvian> haeffb: thanks for the suggestions.  keep 'em coming!
Oct 12 02:49:27 <sugardave> even successful calls from convertDate only fire the onFailure
Oct 12 02:49:42 <haeffb> ha! sugardave that's quite funny!
Oct 12 02:49:46 <sugardave> because they don't wrap the date string in the return object inside ' or "
Oct 12 02:50:01 <sugardave> yeah, that's a good one!
Oct 12 02:50:22 <haeffb> mbarvian: I think I'm about done for today. Maybe more later.
Oct 12 02:50:37 <mbarvian> haeffb: well thanks! I'll get right on those suggestions!
Oct 12 02:51:05 <haeffb> "those people are way more poor and stupid than me..."
Oct 12 02:51:36 <rwhitby> So, any Pixi users here?
Oct 12 02:51:47 * haeffb has access to one. sometimes.
Oct 12 02:52:10 <halfhalo> I want one...
Oct 12 02:52:59 <SineOt> yup
Oct 12 02:53:07 <SineOt> what's up, rwhitby?
Oct 12 02:53:41 <rwhitby> We're testing some overclocking ...
Oct 12 02:53:48 <SineOt> yup~
Oct 12 02:53:54 <mbarvian> haeffb: is there a way to position the view menu?
Oct 12 02:54:00 <SineOt> I've already tried the uImage that got posted to the warthog twitter
Oct 12 02:54:04 <mbarvian> haeffb: does it take any html?
Oct 12 02:54:08 <mbarvian> * can it?
Oct 12 02:55:03 <haeffb> http://webos.pastebin.com/8kBQkdgw
Oct 12 02:55:15 <haeffb> that's the menuModel from TaskAdder
Oct 12 02:55:54 <mbarvian> haeffb: thanks :)
Oct 12 02:56:49 <mbarvian> haeffb: does it need a fixed width?
Oct 12 02:57:46 <haeffb> I think so...
Oct 12 02:57:53 <haeffb> ...it's been awhile.
Oct 12 02:58:17 <haeffb> normally it adjusts to the width of the text/label
Oct 12 02:58:37 <haeffb> so if you want it to be screen width, you have to set it.
Oct 12 02:59:15 <SineOt> rwhitby: is it overclocking on 1.4.5, or still 1.4.3? ;p
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