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Oct 14 03:03:38 <rwhitby> probably a patch
Oct 14 03:06:32 <iWinRar> im going to assume you have the sounds and ringtones section setup properly and dont have the ringer switch off
Oct 14 03:06:40 <iWinRar> so yea prob a patch
Oct 14 03:10:45 <summatusmentis> iWinRar: wait, ringer switch off makes it silent?
Oct 14 03:11:09 <iWinRar> it can if you have it set that way in the sounds and ringtone settingsd
Oct 14 03:13:39 <summatusmentis> where is the vibrate motor located? This is a hobbled together pre, so it's possible I screwed something up :(
Oct 14 03:14:26 <iWinRar> not a clue lol
Oct 14 03:14:56 <iWinRar> i need to head to bed, good luck with your issue
Oct 14 03:32:05 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: oh, in that case you've probably not seated the accoutic insulation foam correctly and it's tangled around the vibrator
Oct 14 03:32:15 <alexfner> what?
Oct 14 03:32:18 <alexfner> I just read that last comment
Oct 14 03:32:22 <alexfner> and I am supremely confused
Oct 14 03:32:45 <rwhitby> sorry, s/accoutic/accoustic/
Oct 14 03:33:33 <rwhitby> it's an easy mistake to make
Oct 14 03:37:22 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: oh, that's entirely possible
Oct 14 03:37:51 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: that makes a lot of sense actually, thanks
Oct 14 03:45:47 <sugardave> say....anybody know if there's a way to get the index of the list item while it's being processed in formatters?
Oct 14 03:46:56 <haeffb> nope.
Oct 14 03:47:04 <haeffb> unless you save index as a model property
Oct 14 03:47:23 <sugardave> yeah, that seems to not be working out as I wanted to...it may be problems elsewhere
Oct 14 04:18:21 <dawm_> i wish i was quicker at making my apps than i am making their mockups
Oct 14 04:21:12 <summatusmentis> you... make mockups?
Oct 14 04:21:21 <summatusmentis> am I supposed to be?
Oct 14 04:21:37 <summatusmentis> I just started writing my app
Oct 14 04:23:06 <rwhitby> I just describe my desired apps here and oil and sugardave write them for me ...
Oct 14 04:24:09 <sugardave> yeah, if you can describe what I'm doing as "writing" this app
Oct 14 04:24:43 <dawm_> lol
Oct 14 04:24:47 <sugardave> it's more like trying to wrench some sort of usefulness out of this broken toothpick and a little bit of gum
Oct 14 04:25:06 <dawm_> i tend to do most my graphics first, since i hate playing with uglyness
Oct 14 04:25:36 <halfhalo> I dont do graphics
Oct 14 04:27:20 <sugardave> what are graphics?
Oct 14 04:27:31 <halfhalo> those things people who have style do
Oct 14 04:28:23 <sugardave> OHHHH
Oct 14 04:28:28 <sugardave> yeah, not me
Oct 14 04:29:11 <sugardave> the formatters object REALLY doesn't like you messing with the list model too much, does it?
Oct 14 04:30:40 <summatusmentis> I don't do graphics... I think I'm just going to keep using standard mojo sdk stuff
Oct 14 04:57:30 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: your padding suggestion was indeed the issue
Oct 14 04:57:58 <rwhitby> that will be a $200 call-out fee
Oct 14 04:59:22 <summatusmentis> I suppose VAT for "services rendered" to .au would be quite a bit
Oct 14 05:01:15 <rwhitby> no VAT in .au
Oct 14 05:01:22 <rwhitby> GST
Oct 14 05:01:25 <rwhitby> 10%
Oct 14 05:01:32 <summatusmentis> ok, there, whatever is equivalent :)
Oct 14 05:01:43 <rwhitby> but it's always included in the price displayed
Oct 14 05:01:53 <summatusmentis> hah
Oct 14 05:02:05 <rwhitby> (a much more sensible arrangement than most other countries)
Oct 14 05:02:16 <summatusmentis> indeed
Oct 14 05:08:08 <sugardave> rwhitby: how important do you feel it is to allow the same city to be selected more than once in the time list?
Oct 14 05:08:34 <dawm_> http://biocandy.com/wp-content/uploads/s2-sample.png
Oct 14 05:08:39 <dawm_> how are those turning out?
Oct 14 05:10:01 <rwhitby> sugardave: i would not expect it to be important
Oct 14 05:10:37 <sugardave> rwhitby: good, that will get me past this stupid issue, I am going to remove the current set of cities from the popup list
Oct 14 05:16:02 <whoolio> hi everyone....im trying to prevent the user from highlighting elements by dragging their finger...is this possible?
Oct 14 05:21:08 <dawm_> ugh.. the last developer day i was out of town visiting friends.. now i have those friends coming to visit me during the NYC dev day.. what luck i have..
Oct 14 05:25:40 <sugardave> dawm_: I like those icons, though :D
Oct 14 05:33:04 <torchie> :D
Oct 14 05:40:09 <rwhitby> dawm_: new friends required
Oct 14 06:55:05 <maik> evening
Oct 14 06:56:28 <hotdp> morning :)
Oct 14 06:59:38 <maik> 3 more minutes
Oct 14 06:59:56 <maik> i'm having trouble coming up with a design for an app i'm writing :/
Oct 14 07:01:48 <hotdp> :/
Oct 14 07:01:52 <hotdp> What is it?
Oct 14 07:02:04 <hotdp> and what do you mean by trouble?
Oct 14 07:03:25 <maik> it's going to make it easier for students and staff at my university to put cash on their ID cards for use at vending machines and other places around campus
Oct 14 07:04:25 <maik> essentially, once the credit card and ID info are entered, the user will just launch the app, choose a preset or custom amount of money to transfer and then confirm they want to do it
Oct 14 07:05:01 <summatusmentis> that sounds... straightforward?
Oct 14 07:05:10 <summatusmentis> what are you having trouble with, design-wise?
Oct 14 07:05:26 <summatusmentis> unless you mean actual arty things, in which case I will be unhelpful
Oct 14 07:05:50 <maik> the interface itself.  how it should be laid out and then yes, somewhat good-looking
Oct 14 07:06:02 <summatusmentis> oh, yeah, don't ask me :)
Oct 14 07:06:27 <summatusmentis> I like what spaz does with the header that drops down and lets you "change account views"
Oct 14 07:06:46 <maik> ya, that's my problem too.  i'm usually good at the logic and decent at the design, but this one just has me stumped past not wanting it to just look plain
Oct 14 07:08:00 <summatusmentis> if it were me doing it? I'd make them see a screen with a form requesting whatever data you need from them, and if they've given you what you need, just show them the amount list
Oct 14 07:08:55 <maik> right, that's the idea
Oct 14 07:09:10 <summatusmentis> so, the arty side of that... not a clue
Oct 14 07:09:38 <maik> my first though at the "amount" list is a set of 3x3 buttons going like $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $10, $15, $20, custom
Oct 14 07:10:17 <summatusmentis> personally, a grid of amounts feels weird
Oct 14 07:10:26 <maik> that's what i think too
Oct 14 07:10:51 <summatusmentis> maybe a drop-down menu of preset amounts, or a field for custom?
Oct 14 07:11:02 <summatusmentis> or just a list of preset amounts?
Oct 14 07:11:22 <summatusmentis> I don't normally like grids as an interface
Oct 14 07:11:27 <summatusmentis> personally
Oct 14 07:12:07 <maik> could do a drop-down for ID card number, drop-down for amount to deposit and drop-down for the credit card to pull it from
Oct 14 07:12:37 <summatusmentis> yes
Oct 14 07:12:40 <summatusmentis> I like that
Oct 14 07:12:48 <maik> then a submit button
Oct 14 07:13:02 <maik> that's crazy
Oct 14 07:13:06 <maik> so crazy, it just might work
Oct 14 07:13:19 <summatusmentis> and maybe a field that is visible only if the deposit drop-down option "Custom" was chosen
Oct 14 07:13:24 <summatusmentis> or some such
Oct 14 07:19:41 <maik> ya, that would work
Oct 14 07:19:52 <maik> thanks for the suggestions.  time for bed.
Oct 14 07:23:51 <summatusmentis> sleep well
Oct 14 08:24:01 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 14 08:24:17 <hotdp> Good morning swisstomcat
Oct 14 08:24:32 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Oct 14 08:24:44 <hotdp> Have you heard about you free devices yet?
Oct 14 08:24:56 <swisstomcat> yeah, they're trying to organize some
Oct 14 08:25:01 <hotdp> Oki
Oct 14 08:25:11 <hotdp> I am waiting on "next shipment" :S
Oct 14 08:26:01 <swisstomcat> whatever that means
Oct 14 08:26:44 <hotdp> I guess i means i have to wait loong time..
Oct 14 08:29:05 <swisstomcat> or you'll get a roadrunner :)
Oct 14 08:35:03 <hotdp> I daubt that
Oct 14 08:35:11 <hotdp> what will the people who got a pre plus say then?
Oct 14 09:18:09 <swisstomcat> i'm working on part 5 of my mobiletuts tutorial on webOS sdk development
Oct 14 09:54:27 <hotdp> i thought it was finished?
Oct 14 09:55:05 <swisstomcat> i decided to add part 5 .. how to submit an app to the app catalog
Oct 14 09:56:30 <hotdp> ahh good ideer
Oct 14 09:56:33 <hotdp> idea
Oct 14 11:18:31 <mbarvian> haeffb: did you develop critical mass?
Oct 14 11:53:04 <haeffb> no, that's alexfner
Oct 14 11:59:31 <swisstomcat> morning haeffb
Oct 14 12:00:58 <haeffb> morning swisstomcat et al.
Oct 14 12:05:59 <haeffb> "Registration will open on October 14th" - but they didn't say when on October 14th...
Oct 14 12:08:26 <swisstomcat> probably in 3-4 hours
Oct 14 12:08:55 <iWinRar> noon thirty
Oct 14 12:15:29 <Bmyers> anyone know what the cost of registration will be?
Oct 14 12:18:52 <iWinRar> if u can find previouse developer day thing and see what the cost of that was you could get a pretty good idea
Oct 14 12:18:59 <iWinRar> but i do not know
Oct 14 12:21:17 <swisstomcat> it was $25 the last time .. basically nothing for all you get
Oct 14 12:22:07 <iWinRar> well i would figure this one could be betterish
Oct 14 12:25:44 <haeffb> there was some indication that registration for this one would be higher because it's not on Palm's campus
Oct 14 12:26:22 <iWinRar> that is likely, my guess which is rather random would be fiddy
Oct 14 12:26:50 <swisstomcat> that might be correct, haeffb ... unless ben combee has a space in brooklyn
Oct 14 12:29:31 <Bmyers> still on the fence about attending
Oct 14 12:30:49 <swisstomcat> wish i could .. nyc is far away
Oct 14 12:31:09 <Bmyers> just a hour train ride for me
Oct 14 12:31:16 <swisstomcat> why not then?
Oct 14 12:31:51 <swisstomcat> venue: http://www.82mercer.com/
Oct 14 12:34:42 <swisstomcat> anyone that wants to take a look at my latest tutorial?
Oct 14 14:54:39 <sugardave> good morning
Oct 14 14:56:30 <Bmyers> hi sugardave
Oct 14 15:09:27 <torchie_pre> is there a way to have Tasks notify you of things to do BEFORE their due dates
Oct 14 15:09:42 <sugardave> haha
Oct 14 15:09:52 <sugardave> put it in the calendar?
Oct 14 15:09:58 <Loudergood> I usually use the calendar for that
Oct 14 15:10:00 <swisstomcat> hey torchie,sugardave
Oct 14 15:10:12 <swisstomcat> yeah, i put task into the calendar too :/
Oct 14 15:10:12 <torchie_pre> that's not a tasks list :(
Oct 14 15:10:13 <torchie_pre> sup
Oct 14 15:12:45 <sugardave> but it CAN be :D
Oct 14 15:13:21 <sugardave> what about Done! ?  Doesn't it put stuff in the calendar?
Oct 14 15:14:01 <swisstomcat> haeffb?
Oct 14 15:58:07 <haeffb_pre> no it doesnt
Oct 14 15:58:14 <haeffb_pre> DebtFree does
Oct 14 15:58:53 <haeffb_pre> done does have a start date AND a due date
Oct 14 16:13:46 <hotdp> Evnign
Oct 14 16:41:18 <hotdp> Palm when will you release the Tickets for NYC :D
Oct 14 17:07:40 <bmidgley_> hey, developer day nyc registration is supposed to open today
Oct 14 17:07:49 <hotdp> yes
Oct 14 17:07:58 * hotdp pressing refresh
Oct 14 17:07:59 <bmidgley_> anyone else notice it's still saying it'll open "October 14"
Oct 14 17:08:54 <oilsworkn> its only the start of october 14th
Oct 14 17:08:59 <oilsworkn> they still got like 14 more hours or so
Oct 14 17:09:04 <hotdp> yer
Oct 14 17:09:07 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 17:09:30 <hotdp> oilsworkn you going?
Oct 14 17:09:42 * oilsworkn can't afford plane ticket
Oct 14 17:09:58 * halfhalo can't either
Oct 14 17:10:01 <bmidgley_> hopefully I can combine two conferences, make it worth a trip
Oct 14 17:13:01 <hotdp> what else?
Oct 14 17:13:42 <Nyceane1> anybody lives in SF here?
Oct 14 17:15:58 <sugardave> CRAP...convertDate appears to be ignore on the phone...wth?
Oct 14 17:16:47 <bmidgley_> hotdp http://futureofwebdesign.com/new-york-2010/schedule/
Oct 14 17:16:49 <oilsworkn> that sentence reads weirds
Oct 14 17:16:56 <sugardave> CRAP...convertDate appears to be ignored on the phone...wth?
Oct 14 17:16:58 <bmidgley_> (not cheap)
Oct 14 17:17:23 <sugardave> oilsworkn: I want to send you an ipk and see if you see the same thing, emu is correct, phone is an hour off
Oct 14 17:17:34 * oilsworkn awaits ipk
Oct 14 17:17:44 <halfhalo> ipk!  oh noes!
Oct 14 17:17:45 * hotdp wonder if sugardave will ever get the world clock to work
Oct 14 17:18:00 <oilsworkn> it better not blow away my alarms again
Oct 14 17:18:02 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 17:19:44 <sugardave> oilsworkn: shouldn't touch alarms at all, I don't do any kind of timezone/time switch
Oct 14 17:19:51 <sugardave> unless convertDate screws you
Oct 14 17:20:27 <oilsworkn> install from email with preware <3
Oct 14 17:20:36 <sugardave> heh
Oct 14 17:21:22 <oilsworkn> moon icon, lol
Oct 14 17:21:30 <sugardave> I worked really hard on that
Oct 14 17:21:32 <halfhalo> best
Oct 14 17:21:33 <sugardave> again
Oct 14 17:21:33 <halfhalo> icon
Oct 14 17:21:35 <halfhalo> ever
Oct 14 17:22:50 * oilsworkn thinks list selector needs to go
Oct 14 17:23:04 <sugardave> it isn't a listselector
Oct 14 17:23:08 <sugardave> just a popup menu
Oct 14 17:23:12 <sugardave> it's big, though
Oct 14 17:23:34 <sugardave> I originally had 6 list selectors, and that seemed dumb
Oct 14 17:24:11 <sugardave> are you seeing what I'm seeing, though?
Oct 14 17:24:12 <oilsworkn> well, currently/working time at hte top are correct
Oct 14 17:24:20 <sugardave> yeah, that's good :D
Oct 14 17:24:29 <oilsworkn> however, i can't find an option in the list that is my timezone
Oct 14 17:24:50 <halfhalo> hulu plus ftw
Oct 14 17:24:51 <oilsworkn> my suggestion: changing the tz/etc for a row should be done in another scene
Oct 14 17:24:52 <sugardave> should be ordered by city
Oct 14 17:25:03 <oilsworkn> allowing you to have a better list
Oct 14 17:25:18 <oilsworkn> and other options like letting me type in my own name and offset
Oct 14 17:26:19 <sugardave> yeah, I've been thinking of other options for that, but the point now is that the damn devices aren't running the code as I have written it
Oct 14 17:26:44 <oilsworkn> current/working shouldnt be the same?
Oct 14 17:26:46 <sugardave> for instance, Adelaide should be +10:30 UTC right now
Oct 14 17:26:53 <sugardave> working time doesn't update
Oct 14 17:27:02 <sugardave> that's just a plcaeholder for when I put in warp mode
Oct 14 17:27:13 <oilsworkn> wtf
Oct 14 17:27:19 <oilsworkn> it mucked up my alarm, too
Oct 14 17:27:24 <sugardave> oilsworkn: :S
Oct 14 17:27:30 <sugardave> it's convertDate then
Oct 14 17:27:33 <sugardave> dammit
Oct 14 17:27:38 <oilsworkn> well
Oct 14 17:27:42 <oilsworkn> its got the same time
Oct 14 17:27:48 <oilsworkn> but the dash showed up again
Oct 14 17:27:55 <oilsworkn> like it changed away then back
Oct 14 17:28:27 <sugardave> which one changed, current?
Oct 14 17:28:32 <sugardave> or working?
Oct 14 17:29:38 <oilsworkn> no, the alarm dash pops up
Oct 14 17:29:43 <oilsworkn> everything else seems the same
Oct 14 17:29:44 <sugardave> oh wait a damn minute...working should not change at all
Oct 14 17:29:52 <sugardave> but that's not the alarm problem
Oct 14 17:29:59 <oilsworkn> current/working are the same
Oct 14 17:30:05 <oilsworkn> and correct with whats at the top
Oct 14 17:30:20 <sugardave> yeah, is it computing your utc offset correctly?
Oct 14 17:30:27 <sugardave> you should be -7, I think?
Oct 14 17:31:14 <oilsworkn> seems ok
Oct 14 17:31:23 <oilsworkn> must be dst, i thought i was -8
Oct 14 17:31:34 <sugardave> that's it
Oct 14 17:31:37 <sugardave> brb
Oct 14 17:33:05 <sugardave> yeah, because normally Central time is -6, but right now we're -5
Oct 14 17:33:27 <sugardave> so THAT part works, but that's just using regular old js offset
Oct 14 17:33:29 <oilsworkn> stupid dst
Oct 14 17:33:30 <iWinRar> what is the best way to backup all sms's?
Oct 14 17:33:45 <oilsworkn> iWinRar: saverestore?
Oct 14 17:33:52 <sugardave> this convertDate service is driving me nuts, though...why does it work on the emu and not the phone?
Oct 14 17:34:02 <iWinRar> from whati  seen it cant be put back?
Oct 14 17:34:51 <sugardave> and why is it triggering alarms
Oct 14 17:35:31 <iWinRar> i guess ill try holding out for doctoring my phone until it is supported whenever that will be
Oct 14 17:35:54 <oilsworkn> iWinRar: yeah, its only save, no restore for sms
Oct 14 17:36:42 <iWinRar> i have like 12k txts between me and another person id like to keep, i forgot to check into backing up last doctor visit
Oct 14 17:37:17 <oilsworkn> saverestore puts them in a html file
Oct 14 17:37:20 <oilsworkn> you can view with anything
Oct 14 17:38:12 <iWinRar> hmm i guess that might work
Oct 14 17:38:26 <iWinRar> time stamps and all?
Oct 14 17:38:30 <oilsworkn> i dont remember
Oct 14 17:38:40 <oilsworkn> save them with saverestore and find out :)
Oct 14 17:38:46 <iWinRar> will do boss lol
Oct 14 17:40:48 <iWinRar> it does sort of
Oct 14 17:40:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 17:41:20 <oilsworkn> ive never looked at the save code for sms
Oct 14 17:44:13 * halfhalo doesn't know code
Oct 14 17:45:59 * oilsworkn thinks  halfhalo is lieing
Oct 14 17:46:10 <halfhalo> it happens
Oct 14 17:46:19 * oilsworkn heard him talkin about iframes earlier xD
Oct 14 17:46:22 <oilsworkn> ugly, ugly iframes
Oct 14 17:46:27 <oilsworkn> get them out of my redmine
Oct 14 17:46:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 17:46:37 <halfhalo> lol, is it live yet?
Oct 14 17:46:49 <oilsworkn> oh, idk
Oct 14 17:46:54 <oilsworkn> (i just knew what it was for :)
Oct 14 17:47:01 <halfhalo> no, its not
Oct 14 17:47:42 * halfhalo makes the iframe esp annoying just for oil
Oct 14 17:48:01 <oilsworkn> :/
Oct 14 17:48:09 <maik> i think i'm having a scop problem again :/
Oct 14 17:48:11 <maik> scope*
Oct 14 17:48:25 <oilsworkn> pastebin!
Oct 14 17:48:27 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 14 17:48:39 <sugardave> I'm having "this shit doesn't work on the phone the way it does in the emu" problem
Oct 14 17:48:39 <maik> should be simple.  i want to do a pushScene from an event handler
Oct 14 17:48:45 <maik> sugardave: heh
Oct 14 17:48:58 <oilsworkn> .bind
Oct 14 17:48:59 <maik> i had that problem with emergency lights, though it's a problem of processing power...
Oct 14 17:49:19 <maik> i added .bind(this) to the end of the name of the function in the .isten
Oct 14 17:49:21 <maik> .listen
Oct 14 17:49:38 <oilsworkn> so then when that function is called this should be correct
Oct 14 17:49:55 <maik> this.controller.StageController.pushScene() ?
Oct 14 17:50:04 <oilsworkn> i dont remember, lol
Oct 14 17:50:08 <sugardave> little s
Oct 14 17:50:11 <sugardave> stageController
Oct 14 17:50:12 <maik> heh, i think that's where i'm hung up
Oct 14 17:50:13 <oilsworkn> there you go
Oct 14 17:50:13 <maik> oh
Oct 14 17:50:25 <oilsworkn> i rarely retype it, just copy/paste from other code ive already copypasted
Oct 14 17:50:26 <oilsworkn> xD
Oct 14 17:50:47 <maik> huzzah, thanks :)
Oct 14 17:50:50 <sugardave> woot
Oct 14 17:50:56 <oilsworkn> so it wasnt a scope problem!
Oct 14 17:51:02 <maik> ya, that's kinda the boat i'm in, though i've never had to do multiple scenes in my apps
Oct 14 17:51:12 <oilsworkn> really?
Oct 14 17:51:17 <sugardave> maik: okay, now make convertDate service work on the phone the way it does in the emu
Oct 14 17:51:21 <maik> yep, they've all been single-scene
Oct 14 17:51:26 <maik> sugardave: done.
Oct 14 17:51:29 <sugardave> haha
Oct 14 17:51:30 <oilsworkn> wait till you go multi-stage
Oct 14 17:51:34 <maik> heh
Oct 14 17:51:34 <oilsworkn> then you will have tons of fun, haha
Oct 14 17:51:50 <oilsworkn> multistage like wirc is fun to work on
Oct 14 17:52:02 * sugardave likes nice, simple, single-stage apps.
Oct 14 17:52:40 <oilsworkn> simple single-stage is nice if thats the best for the app
Oct 14 17:52:45 <oilsworkn> multi-stage irc is the only way to go
Oct 14 17:53:07 <oilsworkn> especially with advanced gestures on
Oct 14 17:53:25 <halfhalo> your an advanced gesture
Oct 14 17:53:31 <oilsworkn> i am
Oct 14 17:53:37 <halfhalo> not even worthy of you're
Oct 14 17:54:11 <sugardave> I'm just a simple caveman JavaScript coder...your multi-stage apps frighten me
Oct 14 17:54:44 <oilsworkn> multi-stage apps + stacks = ftw
Oct 14 17:54:47 <maik> ungh
Oct 14 17:54:59 <sugardave> yeah, stacks will be cool
Oct 14 17:55:10 <halfhalo> so is ice
Oct 14 17:55:28 * oilsworkn had to scrape his windows this morn
Oct 14 17:55:40 * halfhalo turned on the ac this morning
Oct 14 17:55:51 * oilsworkn has no ac
Oct 14 17:56:16 * halfhalo does.  and an engine that goes vroom
Oct 14 17:57:03 * oilsworkn thinks he finally got all the spyware/viruses/rootkits/etc off this netbook
Oct 14 17:57:20 * halfhalo thinks oil should use a magnet for that purpose
Oct 14 17:58:12 <oilsworkn> quit: false
Oct 14 17:58:16 <oilsworkn> lol, wric bug
Oct 14 17:58:20 <sugardave> oops
Oct 14 17:58:24 <maik> heh
Oct 14 17:58:28 <halfhalo> why has that not been fixed yet?
Oct 14 17:58:35 <maik> i was wondering the same
Oct 14 17:58:42 <oilsworkn> cause you have yet to submit the patch?
Oct 14 17:58:51 * sugardave blames halfhalo.
Oct 14 17:59:08 <oilsworkn> though, i think its a pref problem, not a code problem
Oct 14 17:59:11 * halfhalo would just do an || "wIRC" in the file
Oct 14 17:59:29 <oilsworkn> its been a month since my last commit to wirc :(
Oct 14 17:59:38 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 14 17:59:50 <oilsworkn> too many projects, they get in the way of each other
Oct 14 18:00:29 <iWinRar> pre is microusb correct?
Oct 14 18:00:33 <halfhalo> si
Oct 14 18:00:41 <iWinRar> ok just confirming lol
Oct 14 18:00:43 <techrush> you guys stoked on the pre 2 ?
Oct 14 18:00:47 <iWinRar> i am
Oct 14 18:00:48 <iWinRar> lol
Oct 14 18:00:57 <sugardave> I'll probably get one
Oct 14 18:01:00 * oilsworkn sees an 033 release on the herizon
Oct 14 18:01:00 <techrush> me too looks like a great update
Oct 14 18:01:02 <iWinRar> my pre cable iss foobard
Oct 14 18:01:19 * halfhalo thinks it will just be a version bumb
Oct 14 18:01:22 * oilsworkn will accept pre2 into his home
Oct 14 18:01:32 <oilsworkn> 033?
Oct 14 18:01:32 <iWinRar> well my pre seems to be dying and im still under warantee so im HOPEING it holds out till the pre2
Oct 14 18:01:33 <oilsworkn> no
Oct 14 18:01:36 * halfhalo will as well
Oct 14 18:01:38 <oilsworkn> there has been a lot of stuff since last release
Oct 14 18:01:43 <sugardave> assuming it's on Sprint
Oct 14 18:01:58 <iWinRar> what dave sugar said
Oct 14 18:03:07 * oilsworkn will perform surgery to MAKE IT ON SPRINT
Oct 14 18:03:28 <halfhalo> Lies
Oct 14 18:03:34 <sugardave> oilsworkn: so riddle me this....if I just change a timezone, it's still the same time, why would that trigger alarms?
Oct 14 18:03:52 <oilsworkn> well, it doesnt trigger the alarm
Oct 14 18:03:58 <oilsworkn> just the dashboard to popup
Oct 14 18:04:06 <oilsworkn> like it does after you first turn them on
Oct 14 18:05:01 <sugardave> interesting...that still seems wrong.  I guess the alarm app refreshes on any time/timezone change
Oct 14 18:05:11 <halfhalo> dundunDUN
Oct 14 18:06:00 <sugardave> oilsworkn: oh yeah, I meant in the first version I sent you...was that all it did was show the dashboard, or did it fire all your alarms, too?
Oct 14 18:06:23 <oilsworkn> showed the dashboard
Oct 14 18:06:27 <sugardave> k
Oct 14 18:06:29 <oilsworkn> but it also changed the times on them
Oct 14 18:06:38 <sugardave> no, that's wrong
Oct 14 18:06:47 <halfhalo> wwwwwROND
Oct 14 18:06:47 <sugardave> time is time, wth?
Oct 14 18:06:50 <halfhalo> G*
Oct 14 18:06:56 <oilsworkn> i specifically remember my alarm going off at 5am instead of 7am like i set it
Oct 14 18:07:00 * halfhalo gives up
Oct 14 18:10:22 <hotdp> Is it not possible to get tickets for NYC if you dont live in USA?
Oct 14 18:10:37 <iWinRar> why?
Oct 14 18:11:52 <hotdp> Can that be right!
Oct 14 18:12:19 <hotdp> You have to chose a state from State/Province ?
Oct 14 18:12:42 <iWinRar> lie?
Oct 14 18:13:59 <hotdp> Is there someone here who can help me?
Oct 14 18:14:07 <iWinRar> with?
Oct 14 18:14:28 <hotdp> Getting registration for NYC
Oct 14 18:14:41 <hotdp> Is it only for USA people?
Oct 14 18:14:56 <mfisch> if it lets you pick province then it's also for Canada
Oct 14 18:15:02 <mfisch> still probably doesnt help you
Oct 14 18:15:29 <dohtem> hotdp: email Palm
Oct 14 18:15:54 <hotdp> dohtem chuq?
Oct 14 18:17:18 <dohtem> sure
Oct 14 18:17:26 <sugardave> heh: Real Time - WARNING: this app only works on the phone if you are in GMT
Oct 14 18:18:21 <dohtem> lol
Oct 14 18:18:47 * oilsworkn is thinking rodtime is going to need plugin to get things right :)
Oct 14 18:19:01 <sugardave> yeah, that blows...might as well wait for 2.0
Oct 14 18:19:09 <dohtem> is NYC dev day free?
Oct 14 18:19:15 <oilsworkn> $300
Oct 14 18:19:27 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 18:19:28 <halfhalo> holycrap
Oct 14 18:19:29 * oilsworkn thinks its free
Oct 14 18:19:35 * oilsworkn really has no clue
Oct 14 18:19:42 <sugardave> I don't think it's free
Oct 14 18:19:45 <halfhalo> nah, its more than 25
Oct 14 18:20:02 <dohtem> I dont see a price
Oct 14 18:20:50 <oilsworkn> not free? that kind of sucks
Oct 14 18:20:58 <dohtem> hotdp: pdc@palm.com
Oct 14 18:21:44 <iWinRar> 50 dolla?
Oct 14 18:21:53 <dohtem> sugardave: will Real Time have a world map too?
Oct 14 18:21:59 <hotdp> on it.. its just ironic i have been refreshing the page all day long and when avalible i can'r order :S
Oct 14 18:22:15 <sugardave> omg, pms on the dev forum still suck, I can't tell if my message was sent, it doesn't exist in outbox or sent folder :S
Oct 14 18:22:31 <sugardave> dohtem: I think that was a definite "no" in the app requirements
Oct 14 18:23:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 18:23:14 <oilsworkn> not required means extra feature
Oct 14 18:24:11 * dohtem just saw the Big Bang Theory with zazzles the cat :)
Oct 14 18:24:17 <sugardave> haha
Oct 14 18:24:23 <dohtem> "He's so zazzy"
Oct 14 18:24:24 <sugardave> he's zazzy
Oct 14 18:25:58 <dohtem> and the circular motion with the cats arms
Oct 14 18:28:01 <iWinRar> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=1#largeimage this work with muh pree?
Oct 14 18:28:34 <oilsworkn> looks like
Oct 14 18:29:03 <oilsworkn> though i dont remember which is on hte pore
Oct 14 18:29:07 <oilsworkn> which connection is on the pre*
Oct 14 18:29:16 <oilsworkn> micro? mini?
Oct 14 18:29:17 <sugardave> micro
Oct 14 18:29:20 <halfhalo> micro
Oct 14 18:29:25 <halfhalo> mini is retarted
Oct 14 18:29:25 <iWinRar> micro
Oct 14 18:29:40 <oilsworkn> nano?
Oct 14 18:29:49 <halfhalo> pico
Oct 14 18:29:57 <iWinRar> nanorgy
Oct 14 18:30:46 <dohtem> and so we descend into madness...
Oct 14 18:30:48 <oilsworkn> how come nobody has figured out how to let me plug usb devices into my pre yet?
Oct 14 18:31:00 <halfhalo> i dunno
Oct 14 18:31:02 <mfisch> zepto
Oct 14 18:31:02 <oilsworkn> like a thumb drive or kb or something
Oct 14 18:31:04 <halfhalo> linux>
Oct 14 18:31:05 <halfhalo> ?
Oct 14 18:31:06 <oilsworkn> srsly halfhalo, get to work
Oct 14 18:31:34 * halfhalo doesn't know how to program
Oct 14 18:31:37 <oilsworkn> less talking, more working!
Oct 14 18:31:43 <dohtem> crack the whip!
Oct 14 18:31:49 <dohtem> heeah!
Oct 14 18:31:54 * oilsworkn grabs branding iron
Oct 14 18:31:58 <iWinRar> 6 foot cabled should be fine
Oct 14 18:32:09 * creationix goes back to benchmarking node for fun
Oct 14 18:32:11 * halfhalo grabs a knife and a roll of plastic sheeting
Oct 14 18:32:16 <dohtem> iWinRar: that's really long
Oct 14 18:32:41 <oilsworkn> problem with those usb cables
Oct 14 18:33:03 <oilsworkn> they don't fit in the touchstone or the palm wall/power plugs
Oct 14 18:33:18 <iWinRar> which usb cables?
Oct 14 18:33:20 <oilsworkn> (at least, none of the "3rd party" usb cables i've bought fit)
Oct 14 18:33:46 <oilsworkn> they all have too much molding on the ends to fit
Oct 14 18:33:56 <iWinRar> ahh
Oct 14 18:34:02 <iWinRar> i charge via my laptop or netbook
Oct 14 18:34:05 <dohtem> lol
Oct 14 18:34:23 <oilsworkn> then, yes, 6 feet is too long for charging from laptop
Oct 14 18:34:23 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 18:34:28 <iWinRar> lies lol
Oct 14 18:34:47 <oilsworkn> gonna be stuck with a giant wad of cable getting all tangled
Oct 14 18:34:51 <oilsworkn> what a nightmare
Oct 14 18:34:52 <iWinRar> tho some times i use my wall charger
Oct 14 18:35:01 <oilsworkn> see, that wont fit in it
Oct 14 18:35:06 <oilsworkn> well, maybe that one is small enough
Oct 14 18:35:07 <oilsworkn> who knows
Oct 14 18:35:44 <iWinRar> maybe ill let you know tho lol
Oct 14 18:35:52 <oilsworkn> yes, let me know
Oct 14 18:35:54 <iWinRar> i might get a shorter cable , tho i do like longer
Oct 14 18:35:56 <oilsworkn> cause if it fits, ill purchase of one
Oct 14 18:36:15 <iWinRar> because some times i do use wall charger
Oct 14 18:36:35 <iWinRar> like right now, currently my cable is a bit foobared so it charges uber slow via laptop and netbook usb
Oct 14 18:36:51 <oilsworkn> not enough juice
Oct 14 18:37:05 <oilsworkn> doesnt sound like a cable problem to me
Oct 14 18:37:22 <iWinRar> if u see the cable it is lol
Oct 14 18:37:37 <oilsworkn> animals?
Oct 14 18:37:55 <iWinRar> the skin around where it connects basiclly broke from use while on charger
Oct 14 18:37:58 <iWinRar> ill take a pic
Oct 14 18:38:16 <oilsworkn> ah
Oct 14 18:39:55 <iWinRar> it constantly connects and disconnects from the pc
Oct 14 18:40:09 <iWinRar> when the wire it touched
Oct 14 18:41:21 <sugardave> it should fit the wall charger, that's "regular" USB connection
Oct 14 18:43:07 <oilsworkn> maybe its just plugging into the ts that was my problem with the cable i got from monoprice
Oct 14 18:43:13 <iWinRar> whats the diffrence between 28AWG and 24AWG?
Oct 14 18:43:25 <oilsworkn> size of the wires inside the cable
Oct 14 18:43:37 <sugardave> smaller number is bigger wire
Oct 14 18:43:43 <sugardave> MORE POWER
Oct 14 18:43:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 18:43:47 <sugardave> or something
Oct 14 18:43:50 <halfhalo> POWA
Oct 14 18:44:11 <iWinRar> ok thats what i thought, is it better to get the 24AWG? at least that is what someone suggested in one of the forum posts i came across
Oct 14 18:44:19 <iWinRar> http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/PreOwner/CIMG0437.jpg
Oct 14 18:44:35 <dohtem> were you chewing on it?
Oct 14 18:44:37 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 18:44:46 <iWinRar> no
Oct 14 18:44:55 <iWinRar> just from constantly bending when using on charger
Oct 14 18:45:06 <dohtem> heh
Oct 14 18:45:29 <oilsworkn> and by "using" he means "as a toothpic"
Oct 14 18:46:01 <iWinRar> :D
Oct 14 18:46:54 <iWinRar> i noticed all the 24awg cables have filter
Oct 14 18:48:11 <oilsworkn> so the cable is that bad... how is the usb flap?
Oct 14 18:48:37 <iWinRar> from the phone?
Oct 14 18:48:44 <iWinRar> missing, like most peoples lol
Oct 14 18:48:55 <oilsworkn> both my pres have their flaps
Oct 14 18:49:18 <iWinRar> it was there for the longest time and then it came off i continued to have it
Oct 14 18:49:19 <Loudergood> I'm shocked that mine is still there, and I've only had the phone for about 2 months
Oct 14 18:49:25 <iWinRar> but it just became a pain
Oct 14 18:49:28 <iWinRar> so i threw it away
Oct 14 18:49:42 * oilsworkn usually charges with touchstone anyways
Oct 14 18:49:56 <iWinRar> yea i should get a touch stone
Oct 14 18:50:00 <iWinRar> saves me time and effort
Oct 14 18:50:43 * oilsworkn has two, one on desk, one next to bed
Oct 14 18:50:52 <dohtem> the rubbery base on my ripped a bit when it tried to yank it off my desk
Oct 14 18:51:04 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 14 18:51:08 <dohtem> that thing was stuck good
Oct 14 18:51:17 * halfhalo has 5, two in use 3 in storage
Oct 14 18:51:35 <dohtem> saving up for the apocalypse?
Oct 14 18:51:42 * oilsworkn sends halfhalo his address to get one :)
Oct 14 18:51:45 <halfhalo> nah, they were cheapo
Oct 14 18:51:56 * halfhalo sends a bomb to oil
Oct 14 18:52:01 <iWinRar> how much halfhalo?
Oct 14 18:52:07 <halfhalo> under 20
Oct 14 18:52:15 <oilsworkn> yeah, the government wont like that
Oct 14 18:52:21 <oilsworkn> sounds like a good way to go straight to jail
Oct 14 18:52:22 <dohtem> i got mine when it was $10 with a pixi back.
Oct 14 18:52:24 <oilsworkn> without passing go
Oct 14 18:52:27 <oilsworkn> or collecting $200
Oct 14 18:52:35 <halfhalo> direct deposit ftw
Oct 14 18:52:41 <dohtem> LOL
Oct 14 18:52:48 <oilsworkn> especially now that there is all these whitnesses!
Oct 14 18:52:52 <iWinRar> includign the backs?
Oct 14 18:53:01 <halfhalo> no, not the backs
Oct 14 18:53:02 <iWinRar> or u a verizon or att pre
Oct 14 18:53:15 <halfhalo> sprintified verizon pre plus
Oct 14 18:53:25 <iWinRar> lol
Oct 14 18:53:31 <dohtem> how hard was that mod?
Oct 14 18:53:40 <halfhalo> nod that hard
Oct 14 18:53:41 <oilsworkn> halfhalo paid someone to do it
Oct 14 18:53:45 <halfhalo> not*
Oct 14 18:53:55 <dohtem> and soldering required?
Oct 14 18:53:59 <halfhalo> nope
Oct 14 18:54:05 <Loudergood> I need to figure out why mine does the charging/not-charging dance on both touchstones
Oct 14 18:54:17 <oilsworkn> set it on the ts better :)
Oct 14 18:54:49 <dohtem> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=9145
Oct 14 18:55:02 <iWinRar> mine does that when using a usb on a pc Loudergood
Oct 14 18:55:23 <halfhalo> online tracking of ups packages is the devil
Oct 14 18:55:30 <Loudergood> mine wont even work on usb on a pc
Oct 14 18:55:36 <iWinRar> lol
Oct 14 18:55:45 <halfhalo> because I KNOW when they get delivered, but I'm still checking the page every 5 minutes
Oct 14 18:55:53 <hotdp> melchiorsen welcome
Oct 14 18:55:59 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: it only updates daily
Oct 14 18:56:02 <dohtem> halfhalo: same here
Oct 14 18:56:05 <oilsworkn> checking every 5 mins is a waste of time
Oct 14 18:56:13 <oilsworkn> and tube-space
Oct 14 18:56:18 <halfhalo> But its out for delivery!
Oct 14 18:56:33 <iWinRar> halfhalo totally
Oct 14 18:56:38 <oilsworkn> every time i think of packages getting delivered
Oct 14 18:56:43 <oilsworkn> i think of ace ventura
Oct 14 18:56:51 <dohtem> halfhalo: http://xkcd.com/281/
Oct 14 18:56:52 <halfhalo> WIN
Oct 14 18:56:53 <oilsworkn> kicking the package around
Oct 14 18:57:01 * oilsworkn knows which xkcd that is without looking
Oct 14 18:57:08 <oilsworkn> the package every day one?
Oct 14 18:57:18 <oilsworkn> aww
Oct 14 18:57:20 * oilsworkn fails
Oct 14 18:57:20 <dohtem> still in memphis one
Oct 14 18:57:23 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 14 18:57:44 <oilsworkn> teh daily package one is good too xD
Oct 14 18:57:46 * halfhalo is hoping next day air means it gets here fasta
Oct 14 18:57:48 * oilsworkn goes to lunch
Oct 14 18:58:35 <iWinRar> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5456&seq=1&format=2
Oct 14 18:58:43 <iWinRar> ordering this and the 6 foot one
Oct 14 18:59:13 <dohtem> looks like that would fit in the touchstone
Oct 14 18:59:57 <iWinRar> i wouldnt know but umm
Oct 14 19:01:06 <maik> if i want to access, say, the model of a widget in one scene from another scene, can i just say SomeAssistant.obj.model ?  (so long as obj = { 'attributes': { bleh: "moo" }, 'model': { foo: "bar" } }; ?
Oct 14 19:01:07 <sugardave> there, two more bugs posted for convertDate, I hope they fix it
Oct 14 19:01:45 <sugardave> maik: depends, is SomeAssistant is it this.obj?
Oct 14 19:01:52 <maik> yes
Oct 14 19:01:57 <sugardave> that will probably work
Oct 14 19:02:02 <halfhalo> FIRE
Oct 14 19:02:03 <maik> NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oct 14 19:02:43 <maik> getting "Cannot read read property 'model' of undefined ..."
Oct 14 19:03:20 <maik> what's sad is Komodo Edit is all happy to autocomplete/intellisense the stuff i'm typing
Oct 14 19:03:22 <sugardave> is the scene/assistant in the stack?
Oct 14 19:03:32 <maik> yes
Oct 14 19:03:35 <sugardave> hmmm
Oct 14 19:03:45 <maik> er, i assume so.  it pushes the scene that's trying to modify it
Oct 14 19:03:49 <sugardave> oh
Oct 14 19:03:49 <maik> .
Oct 14 19:03:51 <sugardave> duh
Oct 14 19:04:10 <sugardave> SomeAssistant.assistant.obj, perhaps
Oct 14 19:05:09 <maik> now it can't read property 'obj' of undefined
Oct 14 19:05:20 <sugardave> progress
Oct 14 19:05:31 <sugardave> trying to remember how I've done this before
Oct 14 19:05:47 <maik> oh wait, don't i have to define MainAssistant in the initializer?
Oct 14 19:06:06 <maik> MainAssistant = this.parent or something
Oct 14 19:06:11 * maik digs
Oct 14 19:06:27 <sugardave> No, it already knows about it or you'd get a big fat error
Oct 14 19:06:33 <sugardave> a worse one
Oct 14 19:06:37 <sugardave> like app killing
Oct 14 19:06:51 <maik> oh hmm
Oct 14 19:07:13 <sugardave> if you do obj1.obj2.obj3 and obj1 is undefined, javascript dies
Oct 14 19:07:40 <maik> hehe
Oct 14 19:07:42 <maik> -e
Oct 14 19:07:50 <halfhalo> try/catch ftw
Oct 14 19:09:10 <sugardave> maik: might be easier to use a global object
Oct 14 19:09:25 <sugardave> and then you can just modify it whenever/wherever
Oct 14 19:10:27 <iWinRar> is a touchstone extremly worth it? i can see kinda... but fully using it while charging
Oct 14 19:10:28 <maik> maybe it's having trouble with nesting attributes and model inside the object.  let me split them out and see what happens
Oct 14 19:12:15 <sugardave> I can hear Ben groaning "Dammit Dave!" all the way from here.
Oct 14 19:12:42 <iWinRar> looks like im getting 2x1.5ft and 1xt6ft
Oct 14 19:18:17 <sugardave> maik: I doubt it, I do that all the time
Oct 14 19:18:35 <maik> ya, it just seems to be having trouble getting more than 2 levels down
Oct 14 19:18:42 <sugardave> weird
Oct 14 19:18:55 <maik> so SomeAssistant.obj works, but SomeAssistant.obj.model doesn't
Oct 14 19:19:17 <halfhalo> json.stringify ftw
Oct 14 19:19:17 <maik> i'm trying to see if i can set a local var to SomeAssistant.obj and work on it from there, or at least see what it contains
Oct 14 19:19:22 <maik> heh
Oct 14 19:19:25 <sugardave> are you sure, SomeAssistant.obj might appear to work because if it didn't exist before you check it it does after as undefined
Oct 14 19:20:42 <maik> i just tried foo = SomeAssistant.obj; Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(foo)); and it doesn't print anything, but it goes on processing the rest of the statement (to include popping the scene)
Oct 14 19:20:48 <maik> which usually if it fails it stops
Oct 14 19:21:15 <halfhalo> you have to convert the json object to a string
Oct 14 19:21:27 <sugardave> don't list to halfhalo
Oct 14 19:21:30 <sugardave> listen
Oct 14 19:21:39 <sugardave> Object.toJSON(obj) is fine
Oct 14 19:22:14 * halfhalo may be confusing it with node stuff that needs stringify
Oct 14 19:22:24 <sugardave> haeffb_: what is the magic assistant property to access this.things from outside the assistant?
Oct 14 19:22:39 <sugardave> SomeAssistant.[what goes here].things
Oct 14 19:24:02 <iWinRar> how hard is it to upgrade a sprint pre to 512 ram anyway?
Oct 14 19:24:12 <sugardave> maik: can you pass the controller to this external function?
Oct 14 19:24:12 <halfhalo> you dont
Oct 14 19:24:20 <halfhalo> you just put the coms board into a pre plus
Oct 14 19:24:27 <iWinRar> oh
Oct 14 19:24:37 <iWinRar> well how hard is that
Oct 14 19:24:38 <maik> sugardave: probably...
Oct 14 19:24:43 <maik> iWinRar: impossibly
Oct 14 19:24:48 <halfhalo> easy
Oct 14 19:24:50 <maik> indubitably
Oct 14 19:25:25 <iWinRar> ehh i would do it but pre2 coming soon seems like a waste of time
Oct 14 19:25:33 <sugardave> function NewAssistant(lastScene) {this.lastScene = lastScene;}
Oct 14 19:25:40 <sugardave> then maybe this.lastScene.obj
Oct 14 19:26:42 <maik> bleh.  try/catch gets me nothing
Oct 14 19:26:50 <maik> ok
Oct 14 19:26:59 <codeslaw> hey
Oct 14 19:27:01 <codeslaw> whos goin to dev day
Oct 14 19:27:05 <codeslaw> speak now
Oct 14 19:27:13 <codeslaw> deciding if i should go
Oct 14 19:27:15 <sugardave> I wish
Oct 14 19:27:24 <xbonesx> I use a pogram that downloads a mp3 temp, where would this temp file be stored
Oct 14 19:27:37 <xbonesx> I use internalz
Oct 14 19:27:58 <sugardave> xbonesx: find / -name "the file name.mp3"
Oct 14 19:28:29 <xbonesx> nice, duh I keep forgetting linux commands lol and I use ubuntu lmao
Oct 14 19:28:34 <sugardave> heh
Oct 14 19:29:43 <sugardave> hmm, dev days cost to enter is still only $25...I thought they said they were going to have to charge more
Oct 14 19:29:46 <sugardave> cool
Oct 14 19:30:18 <sugardave> codeslaw: you should go and if you happen to get a RoadRunner, I'll take it off your hands ;)
Oct 14 19:30:22 <xbonesx> does the locate command work?
Oct 14 19:30:38 <sugardave> no
Oct 14 19:30:46 <Bmyers> u going sugardave  ?
Oct 14 19:30:50 <sugardave> no :(
Oct 14 19:31:03 <Bmyers> y ! ?
Oct 14 19:31:24 <xbonesx> so for example "find / -type f -name (filename)" ???
Oct 14 19:31:30 <hotdp> Bmyers you goinh?
Oct 14 19:31:53 <Bmyers> i may. it's a train ride away for me
Oct 14 19:32:12 <hotdp> ok:( i would like to. But i am from europe
Oct 14 19:32:12 <sugardave> Bmyers: because I'm a> cheap, b> broke, c> a & b
Oct 14 19:32:25 <maik> does it matter if i use this.obj = { 'attributes': { }, 'model': { } }; or this.obj = { attributes: { }, model: { } }; ?
Oct 14 19:32:26 <hotdp> so i can not select "state" :S
Oct 14 19:32:38 <sugardave> maik: not supposed to matter
Oct 14 19:32:46 <sugardave> I always put my properties in quotes, though
Oct 14 19:32:55 <sugardave> just in case I end up using a reserved word or something
Oct 14 19:33:11 <maik> ya, doesn't appear to make a difference, and i'm more comfortable with the former too
Oct 14 19:34:24 <tomh> hey
Oct 14 19:34:36 <sugardave> xbonesx: that find I did will work, you could guess where it might be and start at that path:  find /media/internal -name "the file name.mp3"
Oct 14 19:34:36 <codeslaw> hey tomh
Oct 14 19:34:39 <tomh> anyone knows if angry bird for webos is completely done in html5?
Oct 14 19:34:43 <sugardave> no
Oct 14 19:34:49 <sugardave> that's C or C++
Oct 14 19:34:53 <xbonesx> so for example "find / -type f -name (filename)" ???
Oct 14 19:35:07 <tomh> ah ok then the article im reading is incorrect
Oct 14 19:35:12 <sugardave> xbonesx: maybe, I suck with find's other parameters
Oct 14 19:35:30 <maik> xbonesx: find / -type f -name "*.mp3"
Oct 14 19:35:42 <sugardave> that will find all of them :D
Oct 14 19:35:56 <maik> i guess if you sync your music to your device it may be a problem
Oct 14 19:36:06 <sugardave> heh
Oct 14 19:36:14 <sugardave>  | less
Oct 14 19:37:38 <maik> this.lastScene appears to be empty
Oct 14 19:37:44 <maik> same with MainAssistant.obj
Oct 14 19:38:13 <xbonesx> thanks guys
Oct 14 19:38:42 <sugardave> when you pushed the new scene, what does that line look like?
Oct 14 19:38:43 <maik> and MainAssistant...
Oct 14 19:38:45 <sugardave> maik: ^^^
Oct 14 19:38:47 <maik> i must be missing something
Oct 14 19:39:02 <maik> .pushScene( { name: "newScene" });
Oct 14 19:39:24 <sugardave> .pushScene({'name': 'newScene'}, this);
Oct 14 19:39:36 <maik> oh...
Oct 14 19:39:53 <sugardave> or hell
Oct 14 19:39:58 <sugardave> you could just pass the obj
Oct 14 19:41:55 <maik> success!
Oct 14 19:42:01 <sugardave> woo!
Oct 14 19:42:13 <maik> using that pushScene with lastScene stuff in the newAssistant works
Oct 14 19:42:21 <maik> thanks
Oct 14 19:42:23 <sugardave> np
Oct 14 19:42:42 <sugardave> if it's only that obj you care about, might be more efficient to just pass it
Oct 14 19:42:55 <sugardave> instead of the whole assistant
Oct 14 19:44:04 <maik> k
Oct 14 19:45:03 <maik> ah, except i need to call modelChanged
Oct 14 19:45:30 <sugardave> maik: so
Oct 14 19:45:40 <maik> so i'd have to call it in the last scene's context
Oct 14 19:45:43 <maik> right?
Oct 14 19:46:03 <sugardave> in deactivate of the new assistant, you can pass back a parm to the "last" scene (whichever one is under the current)
Oct 14 19:46:07 <sugardave> and it gets picked up in activate
Oct 14 19:46:17 <swisstomcat> rehi
Oct 14 19:46:21 <maik> oh hm
Oct 14 19:46:25 * oil thought you did that in popScene and it went back to activate of the previous scene
Oct 14 19:46:25 <sugardave> and you can call modelChanged in activate based on the value of that passed back data
Oct 14 19:46:33 <sugardave> oh yeah
Oct 14 19:46:35 <sugardave> popScene
Oct 14 19:47:00 <sugardave> maik: just always do a .modelChanged in activate
Oct 14 19:47:25 <sugardave> and, I think, when you pop that scene to go back, it will refresh the model
Oct 14 19:47:31 <sugardave> *crosses fingers*
Oct 14 19:48:30 <sugardave> maik: otherwise, you could pass the assistant like you did already, and call modelChanged through it
Oct 14 19:48:51 <maik> right, that's what i was going to do, but i really do just need the object and its model
Oct 14 19:50:01 <Guest97490> Hey, how do you add an event to a calendar using an existing synergy account?
Oct 14 19:52:36 <maik> HUZZAH!
Oct 14 19:52:38 * maik dances
Oct 14 19:52:44 <sugardave> maik: I think, then, if you just pass the object, in the new scene you should be able to call SomeAssistant.controller.modelChanged
Oct 14 19:52:48 <sugardave> awesome
Oct 14 19:53:05 <maik> oh, let me try that
Oct 14 19:53:59 <maik> nah, MainAssistant.controller is still undefined
Oct 14 19:54:16 <sugardave> okay, use your last thing then :D
Oct 14 19:54:23 <maik> no big deal, calling on active works fantastically
Oct 14 19:54:49 <t8> hey guys... any idea how long the review process takes?
Oct 14 19:55:41 <hotdp> Hey chuqui i need your help
Oct 14 19:55:53 <hotdp> I can not register for dev days as i am not from USA?
Oct 14 19:56:08 <hotdp> "*State/Province"
Oct 14 19:56:18 <t8> that $25 fee for the manhattan dev day aint worth it
Oct 14 19:56:19 <chuqui> hotdp:  I've flagged that to the team already. Not sure how they plan on fixing it.
Oct 14 19:56:42 <hotdp> what if i do not get a ticket then :S
Oct 14 19:56:47 <swisstomcat> hi chuqui
Oct 14 19:57:06 <chuqui> swisstomcat:  howdee!
Oct 14 19:57:12 <hotdp> chuqui should i order a ticket on a random state?
Oct 14 19:57:17 <swisstomcat> hotdp: they don't expect people from europe coming to the US ;)
Oct 14 19:57:17 <hotdp> swisstomcat evning
Oct 14 19:57:25 <hotdp> swisstomcat i know!
Oct 14 19:57:27 <chuqui> hotdp: I can't recommend that. but I know at least one dev has...
Oct 14 19:57:47 <hotdp> swisstomcat i have been waiting ALL day.. its kind of sad
Oct 14 19:57:50 <chuqui> if you do, send email to pdc@ with the info so I can forward it in as something that needs to be fixed.
Oct 14 19:58:05 <swisstomcat> hotdp: cool that you can go
Oct 14 19:58:29 <swisstomcat> if sprout 2 wasn't about to hatch i would go too :)
Oct 14 19:59:57 <hotdp> swisstomcat would be nice if you could come to. But i do not know if i can go! need to get a hold of one..
Oct 14 20:01:33 <sugardave> swisstomcat: what about my dual-citizenship idea?  there's still time!
Oct 14 20:02:04 <maik> lunch time
Oct 14 20:02:06 * maik bbl
Oct 14 20:02:18 * hotdp thinks sugardave have a point
Oct 14 20:02:23 <swisstomcat> sugardave: my wife is not thrilled about that idea
Oct 14 20:02:24 <sugardave> jamesderektate: I'd pay $25 to go, what do you think it's worth?
Oct 14 20:02:30 <sugardave> swisstomcat: aww, bummer
Oct 14 20:02:34 <jamesderektate> no idea
Oct 14 20:02:51 <jamesderektate> it depends, i spent a couple hours today just reading all through the forums and learning a lot
Oct 14 20:03:01 <jamesderektate> Ares is very powerful, and I don't feel like people realize its full potential so much
Oct 14 20:03:06 <jamesderektate> So, the Ares forum is my hang out
Oct 14 20:03:18 <swisstomcat> yeah .. what ares needs is more docs and tutorials
Oct 14 20:04:38 <sugardave> if $25 is too much, then surely you have some idea how much it should be
Oct 14 20:07:49 <jamesderektate> free
Oct 14 20:08:06 <jamesderektate> Ares is like Flash's IDE... you drag widgets, then edit their code
Oct 14 20:08:13 <bmidgley_> they want to believe people who sign up really will go
Oct 14 20:08:59 <jamesderektate> you're right
Oct 14 20:09:16 <sugardave> Ares is like a big PITA for Mojo people trying to help new people
Oct 14 20:09:19 <jamesderektate> I think it's strange how the api documentation is really poor
Oct 14 20:09:29 <jamesderektate> Like, the code samples are given, but they don't appear like they fit into the assistant code
Oct 14 20:09:34 <xbonesx> k does any one know where the files are located that you listen while looking at the streaming card
Oct 14 20:09:45 <jamesderektate> Right...
Oct 14 20:10:00 <xbonesx> the blue card with antenna looking thing?
Oct 14 20:10:03 <jamesderektate> the documentation is given in raw mojo, but i prefer Ares since it's much easier to drag and drop the design and then tag the buttons to code
Oct 14 20:10:08 <sugardave> xbonesx: probably somewhere under /media/internal but it completely depends on the app, I guess
Oct 14 20:10:11 <jamesderektate> Does Chuq provide a free palm device if we are a dev?
Oct 14 20:10:56 <xbonesx> musix wave lite, I'm assuming that the file name located in the url for the song isn't the same as the temp file located on the device...
Oct 14 20:11:13 <sugardave> wait
Oct 14 20:11:19 <sugardave> if it's streaming, it's not on the device
Oct 14 20:12:05 <xbonesx> then how is it I'm able to restart the song and not have to redownload it, it's got to be stored on the device in a temp loaction,right?
Oct 14 20:12:24 <sugardave> then it would be in the app's dirs, probably...have you checked the source code?
Oct 14 20:12:38 <bmidgley_> dev day has a day, place but not a time?
Oct 14 20:12:56 <sugardave> bmidgley_: they must be using covertDate
Oct 14 20:12:58 <sugardave> bazinga
Oct 14 20:13:40 <xbonesx> source code, as in blowing the app open on like ubuntu and checking the config files?
Oct 14 20:14:00 <sugardave> you can look at it right on the phone
Oct 14 20:14:10 <sugardave> since you have internalz
Oct 14 20:14:15 <sugardave> vi ftw
Oct 14 20:14:15 <xbonesx> how so?
Oct 14 20:14:33 <sugardave> well, this is assuming it's NOT a PDK app
Oct 14 20:14:33 <xbonesx> oh no shit "vi" works
Oct 14 20:14:37 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 14 20:14:42 <xbonesx> nice
Oct 14 20:14:55 <sugardave> app source is completely visible once the ipk is installed
Oct 14 20:15:30 <xbonesx> so just goto the dir and open "?" what?
Oct 14 20:15:55 <sugardave> anything that ends in .js is a good bet
Oct 14 20:16:47 <xbonesx> ok I'll look into it thanks again, the apps ability to download the music takes longer than it does when it's streamed, any clue why maybe?
Oct 14 20:17:10 <sugardave> lower-quality file for streaming vs. full quality for download?
Oct 14 20:17:41 <xbonesx> doesn't really seem like a different quality really...
Oct 14 20:17:46 <sugardave> the app is going to be in a directory inside /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/application
Oct 14 20:18:01 <xbonesx> right,found those
Oct 14 20:18:03 <sugardave> k
Oct 14 20:18:10 <jamesderektate> Instead of dragging widgets onto the stage with Ares, do most people program the scenes manually?
Oct 14 20:18:12 <jamesderektate> Or do they use html?
Oct 14 20:18:20 <xbonesx> when palm transitioned the ipks to the media internal
Oct 14 20:18:30 <jamesderektate> Like, I don't assitant where i'd use this code - http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1867&Itemid=238 <- would I put this in an assistant file?
Oct 14 20:18:41 <sugardave> jamesderektate: I just write the HTML, stick the widget divs where I want them, then code the hell out of my app
Oct 14 20:18:54 <jamesderektate> Makes sense
Oct 14 20:19:30 <jamesderektate> the ActionScript documentation made a lot of sense.. but it seems like in webOS, you can do things several different ways
Oct 14 20:19:53 <jamesderektate> So the documentation presents the material in form A, but you can code it in forms B,C, and D
Oct 14 20:20:07 <sugardave> all the way to z
Oct 14 20:20:09 <jamesderektate> Android and iOS... there's only one way prety much besides phonegap
Oct 14 20:20:22 <sugardave> this is why webOS kicks ass
Oct 14 20:20:30 <jamesderektate> I agree with you
Oct 14 20:20:38 <jamesderektate> Do you know the ETA for app reviews?
Oct 14 20:20:48 <sugardave> less than a week these days, I think
Oct 14 20:20:54 <jamesderektate> iOS is about 2.5 weeks
Oct 14 20:20:59 <sugardave> in the old days, completely random from hours to weeks
Oct 14 20:21:04 <jamesderektate> Wow
Oct 14 20:21:06 <jamesderektate> Okay, good
Oct 14 20:21:27 <jamesderektate> I wish there was a place besides the catalog to publish these apps where people would find them easily
Oct 14 20:21:34 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Oct 14 20:21:41 <sugardave> precentral feeds are in preware
Oct 14 20:21:42 <xbonesx> my app box
Oct 14 20:21:51 <xbonesx> .com
Oct 14 20:22:00 <sugardave> there's only one place you can sell them, though
Oct 14 20:22:17 <jamesderektate> Yep, you're right
Oct 14 20:22:26 <jamesderektate> night swisstomcat
Oct 14 20:22:51 <codeslaw> later swisstomcat
Oct 14 20:22:52 <swisstomcat> maybe i should do an ares tutorial next: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk-development-4/
Oct 14 20:22:58 <jamesderektate> I really wonder what will happen with the windows phone 7, it looks like crap
Oct 14 20:23:17 <codeslaw> if flash runs on wp7, i'll be porting my apps there
Oct 14 20:23:32 <sugardave> aw man, Apps Lab sounds fun
Oct 14 20:23:36 <jamesderektate> I wonder who the winner will be
Oct 14 20:23:38 <xbonesx> sugardave: I think the program uses the device native streaming app for the url when you decide to stream rather than download
Oct 14 20:23:54 <swisstomcat> *poooof*
Oct 14 20:23:56 <sugardave> xbonesx: that's easier :D
Oct 14 20:24:03 <sugardave> and that's probably why it's slower
Oct 14 20:24:04 <jamesderektate> i think microsoft ultimately buys research in motion after windows phone 7 is a failure
Oct 14 20:24:08 <v0n> Hi
Oct 14 20:24:16 <sugardave> hello v0n
Oct 14 20:24:34 <codeslaw> i have doubts about a microsoft -> RIM purchase being legal from a antitrust standpoint
Oct 14 20:25:17 <jamesderektate> hhmm
Oct 14 20:25:22 <jamesderektate> well, i don't think the windows phone will be good
Oct 14 20:25:26 <jamesderektate> I see webOS standing a better chance
Oct 14 20:25:28 <v0n> when will the webOS 2.0 update be available on phones?
Oct 14 20:25:53 <xbonesx> sugardave: the music wave lite program downloads slower than it does if you stream it...
Oct 14 20:26:10 <xbonesx> v0n: believe it's still in beta testing
Oct 14 20:26:20 <xbonesx> no telling
Oct 14 20:26:28 <v0n> ok
Oct 14 20:26:32 <v0n> I can't wait :)
Oct 14 20:27:06 <xbonesx> sugardave: the music wave lite program downloads slower than it does if you stream it...
Oct 14 20:27:15 <sugardave> oh, I had it backwards :D
Oct 14 20:27:20 <v0n> Have you got an idea of what applications could be done with webOS 2.0/Node.JS?
Oct 14 20:27:38 <jamesderektate> you know what blows?
Oct 14 20:27:39 <xbonesx> so if it's using the devices native streamer, where they be then?
Oct 14 20:27:43 <jamesderektate> the emulator doesn't play sound!
Oct 14 20:27:49 <sugardave> v0n: probably anything :D
Oct 14 20:28:18 <sugardave> xbonesx: no idea, the source for the streamer is on the phone, too
Oct 14 20:28:24 <sugardave> in /usr/palm/applications, I think
Oct 14 20:28:37 <xbonesx> cuz when you choose to stream you can stream using the app or the native one
Oct 14 20:30:15 <sugardave> jamesderektate: sometimes you can make it play .wav files
Oct 14 20:30:22 <jamesderektate> how?
Oct 14 20:30:29 <v0n> I really like the Node.JS project and was so glad to see that it is not integrated in webOS, but after some thought, I was wondering what could I write with that... :)
Oct 14 20:30:34 <xbonesx> ya I'm looking for it ow
Oct 14 20:32:16 <sugardave> hmm, can't find it....look for Roy-Pre101, I think he wrote the article for it
Oct 14 20:33:44 <Roy-Pre101> ?
Oct 14 20:34:01 <sugardave> how to enable sound in the emu
Oct 14 20:35:22 <jamesderektate> i saw how you can command line it
Oct 14 20:37:08 <sugardave> v0n: I'm betting we'll see a LOT of kick-ass node-assisted apps when 2.0 hits
Oct 14 20:37:30 <sugardave> can we say "no-brainer OAuth?"
Oct 14 20:37:39 <sugardave> I think we can
Oct 14 20:38:59 <Roy-Pre101> jamesderektate: Yep, there's an article on Pre101 and I think on webos101.com
Oct 14 20:39:46 <jamesderektate> http://webos101.com/Emulator#Enabling_Sounds
Oct 14 20:39:52 <jamesderektate> Any help on how to work this, guys?
Oct 14 20:40:24 <jamesderektate> On a mac, I have the emulator started... do I navigate to some folder in terminal?
Oct 14 20:40:30 <jamesderektate> And then run those commands?
Oct 14 20:40:52 <Roy-Pre101> From terminal in mac type 'novaterm'
Oct 14 20:41:00 <Roy-Pre101> Then run those commands
Oct 14 20:41:32 <jamesderektate> cd /opt/nova/bin
Oct 14 20:41:43 <jamesderektate> then ./novaterm
Oct 14 20:41:48 <jamesderektate> okay, so once i do this... I can play any wav files?
Oct 14 20:41:56 <jamesderektate> Or do I have to specify the certain wav file I want to play in the command line?
Oct 14 20:43:19 <sugardave> jamesderektate: it's kind of hit or miss
Oct 14 20:43:33 <jamesderektate> well
Oct 14 20:43:38 <sugardave> I was playing them in apps
Oct 14 20:43:41 <jamesderektate> if I attach a button to press an audio widget
Oct 14 20:43:44 <jamesderektate> im certain it'll work
Oct 14 20:43:48 <jamesderektate> so, im guessing
Oct 14 20:43:51 <sugardave> don't be TOO certain
Oct 14 20:44:05 <jamesderektate> i used the activate to load all the audio... each are about 20kb or less
Oct 14 20:44:07 <jamesderektate> it's a soundboard
Oct 14 20:47:30 <xbonesx> I'm having a hell of a time looking for the temp directory of things that get streamed using the native streaming app
Oct 14 20:51:56 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: You coming to NY?
Oct 14 20:52:13 <chuqui> Roy-Pre101:  no, not planning on that.
Oct 14 20:52:19 <Roy-Pre101> Aww.
Oct 14 20:52:29 <haeffb_pre> awww.
Oct 14 20:52:32 <halfhalo> aww
Oct 14 20:52:33 <chuqui> sorry.
Oct 14 20:52:43 <sugardave> dammit
Oct 14 20:52:49 <dohtem> shattered dreams!
Oct 14 20:53:31 <dohtem> hotdp: were you able to register?
Oct 14 20:53:54 <haeffb_pre> why should we even go then?
Oct 14 20:58:49 <Bmyers> u going haeffb_pre ?
Oct 14 20:59:10 <haeffb_pre> I don't no yet...
Oct 14 20:59:13 <Bmyers> can someone just write an app to see who is and isnt?
Oct 14 20:59:40 <dohtem> if palm makes that info public
Oct 14 20:59:40 <sugardave> I can't write apps
Oct 14 20:59:49 <dohtem> and exposes a RESTful API
Oct 14 20:59:55 <dohtem> with unlimited calls
Oct 14 20:59:56 <halfhalo> make it rails
Oct 14 20:59:56 <dohtem> sure
Oct 14 20:59:58 <halfhalo> done
Oct 14 21:00:04 <Bmyers> cool
Oct 14 21:00:18 <halfhalo> scaffolding ftw
Oct 14 21:00:20 <Bmyers> make it have a fart button or something
Oct 14 21:00:34 <dohtem> now that will cost you
Oct 14 21:03:43 <xbonesx> if you had to relate the base of webos to a linux verion what would it be, gentoo, debian,etc...?
Oct 14 21:04:44 <halfhalo> openembedded
Oct 14 21:05:30 <sugardave> whichever one uses ar
Oct 14 21:05:35 <sugardave> I think it's deb
Oct 14 21:06:04 * halfhalo seems to recall that someone from palm actually confirmed it was based on oe
Oct 14 21:06:17 <sugardave> oh
Oct 14 21:06:42 <halfhalo> I could be completely wrong though
Oct 14 21:06:45 <halfhalo> has happened before
Oct 14 21:15:02 <uho> Hey, I'm getting a type error when trying to parse through a response. Can anyone help? http://pastie.org/1221946
Oct 14 21:15:03 <xbonesx> well in that case when you would have something stored in a temp location where would it be, for instance the streamer?
Oct 14 21:16:09 <sugardave> uho: that's because response is just a text string
Oct 14 21:16:12 <halfhalo> uho: the response is in string form and has no dom methinks
Oct 14 21:16:16 <halfhalo> DAMN
Oct 14 21:16:21 <sugardave> heh
Oct 14 21:16:44 <xbonesx> I mean it only makes sense that if you stream something and have the ability to replay without having to redownload that it's been placed on the device somewhere,but where is the problem
Oct 14 21:16:47 <sugardave> uho: you need to store it in the dom somehow, you can make an element, then set that elements innerHTML to the response
Oct 14 21:17:08 <sugardave> and THEN you can run DOM methods on it
Oct 14 21:21:00 <uho> sugardave: So should I store the response in the existing DOM? Is there a way to declare a new one or would the scene get populated with the response?
Oct 14 21:21:10 <sugardave> uho: you can do either one
Oct 14 21:22:08 <sugardave> uho: if you want to NOT have it show up in the DOM, you just do something like: var notGoingInDom = document.createElement('div'); notGoingInDom.innerHTML = response;
Oct 14 21:25:18 <uho> ah okay, thanks!
Oct 14 21:25:23 <sugardave> np
Oct 14 21:27:40 <xbonesx> how do you get "sudo" in the term on webos?
Oct 14 21:27:53 <Bmyers> you're not already?
Oct 14 21:27:56 <halfhalo> you don't
Oct 14 21:27:57 <xbonesx> is there such a thing or do you have root privs auto
Oct 14 21:28:01 <halfhalo> you already are root
Oct 14 21:28:14 <xbonesx> ok thought so
Oct 14 21:28:36 <xbonesx> I wish I could find where the streaming music app stored it's temp files
Oct 14 21:28:45 <halfhalo> which app?
Oct 14 21:28:55 <xbonesx> the native one for webos
Oct 14 21:29:04 <Ziomatrix> anyone can help me troubleshoot here?
Oct 14 21:29:05 <halfhalo> streaming music app?
Oct 14 21:29:12 <sugardave> Ziomatrix: if you're lucky, I guess
Oct 14 21:29:35 <xbonesx> ya it's the one with an antenna on it that streams urls
Oct 14 21:29:55 <Ziomatrix> well it all comes down to the fact that I had to re-install everything on my Palm Pre. And one of the things is Advanced Config App
Oct 14 21:30:02 <sugardave> oh
Oct 14 21:30:08 <sugardave> try #webos-internals
Oct 14 21:30:19 * halfhalo has never seen that app before
Oct 14 21:30:19 <Ziomatrix> The problem is every time I install the Preferences are missing
Oct 14 21:30:19 <Ziomatrix> nobody is there
Oct 14 21:30:31 <Ziomatrix> its great, when it works
Oct 14 21:30:31 <xbonesx> lol he's in their too lol
Oct 14 21:30:37 <sugardave> I see
Oct 14 21:30:58 <sugardave> xbonesx: what is the name of the app in the launcher?
Oct 14 21:31:01 <Ziomatrix> sugardave: every other feature is there, I ran EPR before installing
Oct 14 21:31:43 <Ziomatrix> its just the Preferences where I am able to resize icons and adjust the grid is missing from the Launcher
Oct 14 21:31:47 <Bmyers> if you devel for webos, can you call yourself an HTML5 developer ?
Oct 14 21:31:54 <halfhalo> why not
Oct 14 21:32:23 <sugardave> Bmyers: sure
Oct 14 21:32:34 <Bmyers> got local storage, canvas and a bunch of other col stuff
Oct 14 21:32:59 <sugardave> I'd feel bad telling someone I knew canvas...because I sooooo don't know canvas
Oct 14 21:33:17 <Bmyers> well, i know canvas libraries :)
Oct 14 21:33:26 <xbonesx> it's not really an app it's a service I suppose, it shows a title bar that says "streaming" then it has a pic of an antenna with the url below it and three buttons "backwards, play, and forward"
Oct 14 21:33:51 <sugardave> xbonesx: that's the problem right there...it's a Java service
Oct 14 21:34:12 <halfhalo> I would think that that app would store the info it did get in memory, not on the device itself
Oct 14 21:34:18 <xbonesx> so where is the file being placed temp while it's open and playing?
Oct 14 21:34:29 <xbonesx> shit...
Oct 14 21:34:43 <xbonesx> anyway to access info on mem?
Oct 14 21:34:53 <halfhalo> nope
Oct 14 21:35:16 <uho> Hey, for some reason, rows is undefined here - even though this code works in javascript/html in my browser. http://pastie.org/1221987. Any ideas? Is there a library I need to import?
Oct 14 21:35:26 <xbonesx> well that's lame cuz the app I have downloads much slower than if I were to stream...
Oct 14 21:35:36 <xbonesx> and it's the same file
Oct 14 21:38:08 <sugardave> well, that does make sense in that streaming it starts playing as it goes and downloading needs to wait until it's done
Oct 14 21:39:09 <sugardave> uho: it's possible that I got it wrong
Oct 14 21:39:13 <sugardave> uho: try this:
Oct 14 21:39:43 <sugardave> var notGoingInDom = this.controller.get(document).createElement('div');
Oct 14 21:40:03 <sugardave> assuming this is in a webOS app
Oct 14 21:40:59 * balrog-k1n 's Pre dropped about 20m from a kite today when photographing for openstreetmap, and seems to be working fine
Oct 14 21:41:11 <sugardave> balrog-k1n: nice
Oct 14 21:41:37 <v0n> is there shazam, angry birds and these kind of apps for webOS? I didn't found it in the catalog
Oct 14 21:41:51 <balrog-k1n> the case and the battery did fall off but no other signs of impacct
Oct 14 21:42:21 <radiofreejohn> if i recall correctly, angry birds is in the catalog
Oct 14 21:42:29 <radiofreejohn> shazam wouldn't be because there isn't access to the microphone API yet
Oct 14 21:43:44 <v0n> radiofreejohn: ok thanks
Oct 14 21:45:18 <balrog-k1n> the lack of a hole or tiny handle to attach a string is one thing i don't like about the Pre's design
Oct 14 21:45:41 <balrog-k1n> you have to use duct tape, but you can duct tape all around the pre because half of it is touchscreen
Oct 14 21:45:56 <balrog-k1n> can't*
Oct 14 21:45:56 <iWinRar> www.palm.com/ROM lol
Oct 14 21:46:35 <halfhalo> balrog-k1n: cut a hole in the little sleeve case it came with for the camera and tape that
Oct 14 21:46:50 <oilsworkn> string?
Oct 14 21:47:10 <iWinRar> never try to doctor your phone with a wire that disconnects pretty much with touch lol
Oct 14 21:47:18 <sugardave> oh man, touch-tape, duct-tape that works with touchscreens
Oct 14 21:47:23 <sugardave> that would be awesome
Oct 14 21:47:26 <iWinRar> which is what im currently doing
Oct 14 21:47:57 <iWinRar> are all touch screens like the pres able to touch through like a cm of fabric?
Oct 14 21:48:51 <oilsworkn> i dont think so
Oct 14 21:49:10 <oilsworkn> capacitive touchscreens need something conductive to touch them
Oct 14 21:49:12 <balrog-k1n> halfhalo: that might work, i'll try to dig it up
Oct 14 21:49:17 <uho> sugardave: still getting the same error
Oct 14 21:49:34 <iWinRar> ahh the pres is usable through a decent ammount of fabric
Oct 14 21:50:03 <iWinRar> maybe im just overly conductive lol
Oct 14 21:50:10 <sugardave> uho: paste the whole thing?
Oct 14 21:50:29 <oilsworkn> and by paste the whole thing, he means, pastebin
Oct 14 21:50:31 <oilsworkn> not into the channel
Oct 14 21:50:32 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 21:50:55 <uho> okay hold on
Oct 14 21:50:58 <sugardave> he's already using it :D
Oct 14 21:51:00 <sugardave> I assumed
Oct 14 21:51:12 * oilsworkn missed previous pastebining
Oct 14 21:51:39 <uho> http://pastie.org/1222023
Oct 14 21:52:47 <maik> when i do this modelChanged it doesn't appear to update the interface :/
Oct 14 21:53:04 <HattCzech_work> urg, i want to go to ny for dev day :/
Oct 14 21:53:08 <HattCzech_work> never been before
Oct 14 21:53:35 <maik> it's a list selector, and when i click on it after doing modelChanged the new item is in there with a check mark next to it, but the scene doesn't show it as selected
Oct 14 21:54:21 <oilsworkn> uho: oncomplete function looks... funky?
Oct 14 21:55:21 * oilsworkn doesn't know what the "same error" is though :/
Oct 14 21:55:40 <sugardave> uho: ah, I think I see it
Oct 14 21:56:05 <sugardave> you want response.responseText but you have response
Oct 14 21:56:38 <HattCzech_work> with 3 frequent flier programs, you'd think one of them would be able to get me to NY at a reasonable price, but NOOO
Oct 14 21:56:43 <sugardave> notGoingInDom.innerHTML = ParsePageAssistant.response.responseText; on line 52 ought to do it
Oct 14 21:57:23 * oilsworkn starts "get oil to devdays" telethon
Oct 14 21:59:32 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: can we have dev days #2 at ces? :)
Oct 14 21:59:46 <halfhalo> you mean devdays 3?
Oct 14 22:00:09 <HattCzech_work> oh, there's already a 2?
Oct 14 22:00:24 <halfhalo> ny devdays will be the 2nd
Oct 14 22:00:28 <HattCzech_work> oh, you mean the original?
Oct 14 22:00:30 <HattCzech_work> i gotcha
Oct 14 22:00:39 <HattCzech_work> 2.1 :)
Oct 14 22:01:05 <HattCzech_work> still related to the 2nd dev days, just a little over a month later and in an easier-to-reach locale
Oct 14 22:01:57 <uho> ah, thanks sugardave
Oct 14 22:03:52 <chuqui> HattCzech_work: dunno
Oct 14 22:04:32 <HattCzech_work> i liked what went on at ces this year, even though i only managed to stumble in on it (instead of knowing in advance)
Oct 14 22:04:50 <halfhalo> what happened this year/
Oct 14 22:04:52 <halfhalo> ?
Oct 14 22:05:12 <HattCzech_work> there was like a meetup one evening with food and drinks for developers
Oct 14 22:05:19 <halfhalo> ah, nice
Oct 14 22:05:41 <HattCzech_work> and you could q&a with some people who might know some answers
Oct 14 22:06:10 * oilsworkn wonders if seattle is next after NY
Oct 14 22:06:38 <HattCzech_work> urg, the friggin opposite side of the country again
Oct 14 22:07:03 <oilsworkn> everywhere is on the opposite side of the country from someone
Oct 14 22:07:09 <HattCzech_work> valid point
Oct 14 22:07:20 <HattCzech_work> but if it were in the MIDDLE of the country, that wouldn't be as much of a problem :)
Oct 14 22:07:32 <oilsworkn> then its far away from everyone
Oct 14 22:07:46 <HattCzech_work> no, then it's closer to everyone :)
Oct 14 22:07:49 * oilsworkn can't possibly be the only webos dev in the northwest
Oct 14 22:08:12 <HattCzech_work> kesne is up there too
Oct 14 22:08:18 * oilsworkn moves
Oct 14 22:08:20 <HattCzech_work> (does he count?) ;)
Oct 14 22:08:27 <halfhalo> no
Oct 14 22:08:28 <HattCzech_work> ahaha
Oct 14 22:08:31 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:08:36 <oilsworkn> what about his "team"?
Oct 14 22:08:36 <oilsworkn> xD
Oct 14 22:14:48 <haeffb_> the middle is far from everyone.
Oct 14 22:14:51 <haeffb_> trust me.
Oct 14 22:15:45 <Loudergood> yeah I drove there once...took about 18 hours...ugh
Oct 14 22:15:48 <sugardave> oilsworkn: Austin is next
Oct 14 22:15:54 <sugardave> >_>
Oct 14 22:16:13 * haeffb_ will go to austin
Oct 14 22:16:15 <oilsworkn> hey, at least i didn't name it was going to be in the town i live in
Oct 14 22:16:16 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:16:23 <sugardave> haha
Oct 14 22:16:33 <haeffb_> bbl
Oct 14 22:16:37 <oilsworkn> then again, im not in a big city
Oct 14 22:16:43 <oilsworkn> if i lived in seattle, i would still say seattle
Oct 14 22:16:59 <sugardave> Austin is the largest tech center in the state, so it's the logical choice :D
Oct 14 22:18:50 <sugardave> verizon is cdma?
Oct 14 22:18:55 <halfhalo> si
Oct 14 22:19:13 <sugardave> so this isn't necessarily bad news for sprint people is it? http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/10/palm-pre2-to-grace-verizons-network/
Oct 14 22:19:29 <halfhalo> nope
Oct 14 22:19:35 <sugardave> good
Oct 14 22:19:36 <halfhalo> good news in fact
Oct 14 22:19:56 <halfhalo> gah
Oct 14 22:20:05 <halfhalo> mah ears are playing tricks on me
Oct 14 22:20:27 <halfhalo> waiting for the ups truck and I keep hearing a largish truck driving around
Oct 14 22:20:41 <halfhalo> but no truck is actually coming up my street
Oct 14 22:21:02 <sugardave> heh
Oct 14 22:21:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:24:22 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: refresh online tracking website some more :)
Oct 14 22:24:30 <halfhalo> I AM!
Oct 14 22:24:35 <sugardave> do it harder
Oct 14 22:24:45 <uho> This might sounds like a pretty nooby question... but I can't figure out how to define functions and call them in the webOS assistant. I tried defining my own and calling them but it didn't work.
Oct 14 22:24:49 <halfhalo> VAN NUYS, CA, US	10/14/2010	7:23 A.M.	OUT FOR DELIVERY
Oct 14 22:25:01 <techrush> i would be surprised to see palm launch a new device on multiple US carriers at the same time
Oct 14 22:25:27 <oilsworkn> uho: MyAssistant.prototype.functionName = function(arg, arg) {}
Oct 14 22:25:49 <oilsworkn> then anywhere within MyAssistant you can do this.functionName(arg, arg)
Oct 14 22:26:15 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: what is being delivered?
Oct 14 22:26:21 <sugardave> doom
Oct 14 22:26:27 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 14 22:26:52 <oilsworkn> what, the original?
Oct 14 22:26:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:27:02 <halfhalo> mebe
Oct 14 22:27:28 * oilsworkn bets ups guy is parked up the block playing your game
Oct 14 22:27:48 * halfhalo would maim him
Oct 14 22:28:56 * halfhalo heards what sounds to be like a diesel truck shifting many times
Oct 14 22:29:17 <oilsworkn> thats him racing home with your stuff
Oct 14 22:29:42 <oilsworkn> i have to say, ups and fedex delivery people are crazy ass drivers
Oct 14 22:29:52 <halfhalo> yeah
Oct 14 22:29:55 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:30:06 <sugardave> deadlines, man...deadlines
Oct 14 22:30:10 <sugardave> they're a bitch
Oct 14 22:30:54 <oilsworkn> its like, im going 10 over, and he passes me like im standing still, changing lanes like a mad man, with the door open!
Oct 14 22:31:01 <sugardave> hahaha
Oct 14 22:31:04 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:31:07 <halfhalo> dude, they have like 8 turbos
Oct 14 22:31:12 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:31:17 <oilsworkn> i wouldn't be surprised
Oct 14 22:31:22 <oilsworkn> they probably service them daily
Oct 14 22:31:27 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 14 22:31:32 <halfhalo> and have nos hidden
Oct 14 22:31:45 <halfhalo> I mean, sure its a diesel, but still
Oct 14 22:32:24 <oilsworkn> and i can't look at hte fedex logo without seeing the little hidden arrow
Oct 14 22:32:46 <halfhalo> fedex delivers by like noon, which I like
Oct 14 22:32:50 <halfhalo> ups is before 7pn
Oct 14 22:33:06 <sugardave> they all get here after 5 in the ghetto-lite
Oct 14 22:33:32 <oilsworkn> fedex packages are usually sitting by the door when i gethome
Oct 14 22:33:36 <oilsworkn> ups is later
Oct 14 22:33:43 <sugardave> one time my "next-day delivery" of rock band 2 got here at 11:00 pm
Oct 14 22:33:50 <oilsworkn> lolo
Oct 14 22:33:53 <sugardave> and they didn't ring the bell
Oct 14 22:34:02 <oilsworkn> "just drop it off and run"
Oct 14 22:34:03 <halfhalo> fedex also lets you pick it up from the depot the day of a missed delivery, ups you have to wait a day
Oct 14 22:34:04 <Bmyers> are they going to deliver your new htc evo tonight?
Oct 14 22:34:09 <uho> thanks oilsworkn
Oct 14 22:34:13 <sugardave> there's this HUGE box with Rock Band 2 printed on the side sitting on my porch
Oct 14 22:34:22 <halfhalo> evo?
Oct 14 22:34:22 <sugardave> they're lucky I didn't report it stolen and get another one
Oct 14 22:34:29 <oilsworkn> and the neighbors run out and steal it
Oct 14 22:34:52 <oilsworkn> but lets be honest, thats what you get for buying rockband
Oct 14 22:35:04 <sugardave> hey, it's pretty fun :D
Oct 14 22:35:07 <Bmyers> yeah really
Oct 14 22:35:13 <sugardave> my daughter wants green day rock band
Oct 14 22:35:13 <oilsworkn> pretty useless
Oct 14 22:35:21 <sugardave> it's a fun FAMILY game
Oct 14 22:35:26 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:35:29 <Bmyers> no dude ever scored cause he played rockband games well
Oct 14 22:35:37 <sugardave> I don't have a lot of those family games
Oct 14 22:35:48 * halfhalo has none
Oct 14 22:35:53 <oilsworkn> the whole family can't kill zombies?
Oct 14 22:36:00 <oilsworkn> the family that kills zombies together stays together?
Oct 14 22:36:06 <oilsworkn> well, unless little sally gets bit
Oct 14 22:36:07 <sugardave> in burn zombie burn, yes
Oct 14 22:36:23 <sugardave> I love burn zombie burn, it's duke-esque
Oct 14 22:36:23 <oilsworkn> then you'll have to remove her head with an axe
Oct 14 22:36:41 * halfhalo will be pissed if they come while he has to run out for a few minutes
Oct 14 22:36:46 <sugardave> they will
Oct 14 22:36:50 <sugardave> guaranteed
Oct 14 22:37:03 * oilsworkn HOPES HOPES HOPES halfhalo comes back to a "sorry we missed you" note
Oct 14 22:37:19 <sugardave> he'll just blame you
Oct 14 22:37:21 <oilsworkn> or returning to your house you pass him going the other direction
Oct 14 22:37:21 <oilsworkn> HAHA
Oct 14 22:37:32 <oilsworkn> sugardave: that was going to happen anyways, no sense in trying to avoid it
Oct 14 22:37:39 <sugardave> heh
Oct 14 22:37:47 <oilsworkn> hell, the fact its not already there is clearly due to me
Oct 14 22:37:51 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 14 22:38:00 * halfhalo hasn't blamed oil for something in nearly a week
Oct 14 22:38:14 <oilsworkn> thats a lie
Oct 14 22:38:26 <oilsworkn> this channel is logged
Oct 14 22:38:40 * halfhalo knows
Oct 14 22:39:34 <sugardave> rwhitby: really for real reals this time, can't do the world clock app until convertDate is fixed
Oct 14 22:39:50 <halfhalo> make your own convertDate
Oct 14 22:39:56 * oilsworkn bets it could be done!
Oct 14 22:40:19 <sugardave> halfhalo: yeah, I did that essentially before he found that one for me....it does BadThings to alarms, etc.
Oct 14 22:40:38 <halfhalo> hah
Oct 14 22:40:41 <sugardave> oilsworkn: it CAN be done, but not by me...I only know javascript :D
Oct 14 22:43:45 <oilsworkn> sugardave: what about.....
Oct 14 22:44:07 <oilsworkn> there is no web service you can use to get GMT in timestamp form?
Oct 14 22:44:13 <oilsworkn> then convert it around manually in js
Oct 14 22:44:24 <oilsworkn> just ignore local time
Oct 14 22:44:36 <sugardave> oilsworkn: I could, but that makes it dependent upon a network connection
Oct 14 22:44:49 <oilsworkn> ah, and rwhitby has expensive data plans
Oct 14 22:45:01 <sugardave> and he wants it to work on a plane, etc.
Oct 14 22:45:12 <sugardave> an initial load might not be bad
Oct 14 22:45:20 <sugardave> but then I have to maintain it
Oct 14 22:45:23 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 14 22:45:39 <sugardave> far better to offload it to the phone :D
Oct 14 22:45:41 <Bmyers> sql timestamp?
Oct 14 22:46:12 <sugardave> Bmyers: it's not that I can't do the times right, it's that js doesn't do dst conversion
Oct 14 22:46:13 <oilsworkn> SELECT UNIX_TIMESTAMP(NOW());?
Oct 14 22:46:16 <oilsworkn> does that work in sqlite?
Oct 14 22:46:32 <sugardave> I don't know
Oct 14 22:46:47 <oilsworkn> well, thats mysql
Oct 14 22:46:55 <oilsworkn> idk if sqlite has UNIX_TIMESTAMP() or NOW()
Oct 14 22:47:00 <oilsworkn> (well, i assume they have now)
Oct 14 22:47:19 <sugardave> Bmyers: it does dst conversion, it does not give you the ability to determine if an arbitrary tz is experiencing dst at an arbitrary date/time
Oct 14 22:48:31 <Bmyers> have you checked out any libs that might help?
Oct 14 22:49:32 <Bmyers> http://ordonnancement.org/javascript-code-to-determine-when-daylight-savings-time-dst-occurs/the-code-project---a-new-task-scheduler-class-library-for-.net---c-programming/news670140.html
Oct 14 22:49:35 <sugardave> I've looked at some, there's only one real way to do it: get the tzdata/zoneinfo files and parse out all the rules for all the timezones yourself
Oct 14 22:50:12 <Bmyers> why would you need to know them all at once?
Oct 14 22:50:27 <Bmyers> are you a 4th dimension traveller ?
Oct 14 22:50:52 <sugardave> it's so you can have a list of 6 cities from various timezones and see their times and offsets
Oct 14 22:51:38 <Bmyers> oh.
Oct 14 22:51:40 <sugardave> and I need to know them all, because I won't know which 6 cities you're going to pick :D
Oct 14 22:51:52 <Bmyers> chris angel would..
Oct 14 22:52:04 <sugardave> damn, I wonder if I can teach him javascript
Oct 14 22:52:18 <oilsworkn> he already knows it
Oct 14 22:52:21 <oilsworkn> its behind your ear!
Oct 14 22:52:25 <sugardave> haha
Oct 14 22:52:36 <Bmyers> i've seen him levitate js on tv
Oct 14 22:53:21 <oilsworkn> thats just a camera trick
Oct 14 22:53:36 <oilsworkn> "we'll give you $20 to act surprised"
Oct 14 22:53:48 <oilsworkn> then they cut that in after the shot they take hours to setup
Oct 14 22:53:54 <sugardave> no way, $150 or no deal
Oct 14 22:54:06 <oilsworkn> well, they would just find some more desperate chap to take the $20
Oct 14 22:54:12 <oilsworkn> you're too smart to be fooled by magic anyways
Oct 14 22:54:55 <sugardave> I want to believe
Oct 14 22:57:37 <oilsworkn> well, apparently you dont want it too bad
Oct 14 22:57:40 <oilsworkn> or $20 would be enough!
Oct 14 22:58:08 <sugardave> haha
Oct 14 22:58:14 * oilsworkn goes home
Oct 14 22:58:20 <sugardave> ciao
Oct 14 22:59:01 <sugardave> hahaha
Oct 14 23:16:42 <Nyceane1> any of you live in SF?
Oct 14 23:41:22 <maik> i take it activate() doesn't get called when a dialog closes?
Oct 14 23:42:44 <renegaid> Pre 2 heading to verizon. Not a smart move. Sprint would be better
Oct 14 23:42:57 <Nyceane1> verizon is a droid market =)
Oct 14 23:43:08 <renegaid> Exactly
Oct 14 23:43:38 <renegaid> So is sprint but the failure on verizon would be worse
Oct 14 23:44:51 <maik> what the hell
Oct 14 23:44:51 <sugardave> maik: no, it doesn't
Oct 14 23:45:00 <maik> vzw gets Pre Plus _AND_ Pre 2
Oct 14 23:46:01 <sugardave> maik: you can pass the scene controller to a custom dialog and in the cleanup or deactivate call the the scene controller's activate yourself
Oct 14 23:46:10 <sugardave> but I don't think you can do it with the other 2 dialogs
Oct 14 23:46:27 <maik> i'm using a custom dialog, so that's good
Oct 14 23:47:04 <maik> i'm passing in sceneAssistant and i'm able to see the parent's objects, but when i call modelChanged it doesn't appear to work :/
Oct 14 23:47:07 <sugardave> if you're using the webos101 example, then you should have this.sceneController in your dialog assistant
Oct 14 23:47:56 <sugardave> oh, are you trying to do all of this stuff from earlier in a dialog instead of another scene?
Oct 14 23:48:51 <maik> it's a different section that uses a dialog instead of another scene
Oct 14 23:48:54 <maik> the other scene is still in place
Oct 14 23:49:01 <sugardave> oh, okay
Oct 14 23:49:23 <sugardave> well in the dialog, the constructor gets passed the scene controller
Oct 14 23:49:54 <sugardave> so you can save it off and then do all the scene methods against it, like this.sceneController.controller.get()
Oct 14 23:52:05 <maik> oh hmm...so this.sceneAssistant.controller.modelChanged(foo.model); works, if i tap the list it shows the addition i made, but the scene itself still shows the menu item i selected to launch the dialog
Oct 14 23:52:15 <maik> owait
Oct 14 23:52:33 <sugardave> yeah, assistant is what I was getting at :D
Oct 14 23:52:53 <maik> bahahah
Oct 14 23:53:03 <maik> here's a hint: if you want value to be updated, give it a value
Oct 14 23:53:10 <sugardave> *thumbs up*
Oct 14 23:53:11 <maik> .value* to be updated
Oct 14 23:53:13 <maik> indeed
Oct 14 23:53:21 <maik> s/indeed/indubitably/
Oct 14 23:54:53 <sugardave> dammit, my dog just left a huge pile of vomit on the floor
Oct 14 23:54:58 <sugardave> awesome
Oct 14 23:56:07 <Bmyers> pug or great dane ?
Oct 14 23:58:54 <Nyceane1> well, sprint couldnt push it
Oct 14 23:59:26 <renegaid> Sprint couldn't push what
Oct 15 00:01:31 <Bmyers> JenP!!
Oct 15 00:02:46 <JenP> Bmyers!!!
Oct 15 00:02:47 <JenP> Hi
Oct 15 00:03:23 <Bmyers> how's tricks?
Oct 15 00:03:38 <JenP> bleh..i should not have gone into to work today LOL
Oct 15 00:04:09 <rwhitby> oil: I'll donate $20 to a "get oil to devdays telethon"
Oct 15 00:04:12 <Bmyers> why not?
Oct 15 00:04:24 <JenP> usualy insanity...
Oct 15 00:04:27 <JenP> how are you?
Oct 15 00:04:53 <Bmyers> usual insanity..
Oct 15 00:05:11 <JenP> nodnod...can't talk about it.
Oct 15 00:05:28 <oil> rwhitby: lol
Oct 15 00:07:03 <JenP> is this the ny dev day?
Oct 15 00:07:12 <Bmyers> yeah u going?
Oct 15 00:07:23 <JenP> idk can i bunk at your place?
Oct 15 00:07:30 <JenP> lol jk
Oct 15 00:07:46 <Bmyers> sure, I'll put you in with haeffb_pre
Oct 15 00:08:12 <rwhitby> you'll have Nyceane1 turning up as well then
Oct 15 00:08:53 <Nyceane1> lol, i was just there last month for a wedding =|
Oct 15 00:09:16 <Nyceane1> goan be looking for apartment in SF for next month or so, making 6 figures makes me look poor in SF for some reason...
Oct 15 00:09:24 <Nyceane1> can't afford a basic 1 bd/1bath
Oct 15 00:12:19 <Bmyers> well you'd better reserve a spot soon. space is limited here..
Oct 15 00:13:09 * haeffb_pre has dibs on spare bedroom
Oct 15 00:13:30 <Nyceane1> Bmyers, you live in the city?
Oct 15 00:13:32 <Bmyers> r u ok with coed haeffb_pre ?
Oct 15 00:13:44 <Bmyers> north of the city on the hudson
Oct 15 00:14:05 <Nyceane1> north of central park?
Oct 15 00:14:11 <Nyceane1> i use to live in forest hills, so
Oct 15 00:14:26 <Bmyers> yes north of central park
Oct 15 00:14:33 <Bmyers> by about 60 miles
Oct 15 00:14:41 <Nyceane1> wow...
Oct 15 00:14:49 * dkirker hopes that they do another Dev Days in SF.
Oct 15 00:14:51 <Nyceane1> does subway go there?
Oct 15 00:14:58 <Bmyers> metro north does
Oct 15 00:14:59 <Nyceane1> dkirker, do you live in sf?
Oct 15 00:15:24 <dkirker> Nyceane1: My parents in in Santa Rosa, I go to school in San Luis Obispo. So, kinda.
Oct 15 00:15:51 <Nyceane1> dkirker, was thinking where i can live in SF without spending $1,600 on a 300 square foot studio
Oct 15 00:16:10 <Bmyers> in a van down by the river?
Oct 15 00:16:27 <Nyceane1> and without sharing room with anyone... kind of annoying you don't know whether they are gay or straight, since they dont even mention that on craigslist
Oct 15 00:16:36 <Nyceane1> I might just live in palo alto =_=
Oct 15 00:16:48 <Nyceane1> but even that's expensive and I am not admitted into Stanford yet
Oct 15 00:16:50 <Bmyers> hmm.. looking for a rooMmate in SF
Oct 15 00:16:57 <Bmyers> what do you think?
Oct 15 00:17:03 <Nyceane1> been on that site for 2 hours now lol
Oct 15 00:17:27 <Nyceane1> I see "fabulous apartment", somehow that implies the roommate is gay =|
Oct 15 00:17:35 <dkirker> lol
Oct 15 00:17:38 <Nyceane1> not that i have anything against it, but I just dont want to room with one
Oct 15 00:17:46 <dkirker> why?
Oct 15 00:18:01 <Bmyers> just make sure they are the same dress size as you. thats all
Oct 15 00:18:05 <dkirker> lol
Oct 15 00:18:10 <Nyceane1> lesbians are totally fine, I'd actually prefer that, but might be trouble bringing girls home because they wouldn't be comfortabl
Oct 15 00:18:17 <Bmyers> dbl your wardrobe
Oct 15 00:19:00 <dkirker> Nyceane1: I think that $1600 is probably the lowest for a studio in the Bay Area...
Oct 15 00:19:48 <Nyceane1> dkirker, a 300 square foot
Oct 15 00:20:39 <dkirker> Nyceane1: I'd check out the Montcalire Apartments in Sunnyvale. If you are ok with commuting. They are 1 mi from Palm HQ ;) and 1 mile from the CalTrain.
Oct 15 00:20:47 <dkirker> But, I forget what the sq ft is for a studio...
Oct 15 00:21:11 <Nyceane1> i know, i live in hilton at santa clara a lot
Oct 15 00:21:25 <Nyceane1> new job is gona be in sf
Oct 15 00:21:36 <Nyceane1> and even my current boss said sf is a the place to live
Oct 15 00:21:41 <dkirker> hmm
Oct 15 00:21:44 <Nyceane1> lol, everybody that enjoys life told me to live in sf =|
Oct 15 00:21:52 <Nyceane1> and everybody that's cheap told me to live outside of it
Oct 15 00:21:59 <Nyceane1> so i guess why not live inside sf and see what its like
Oct 15 00:22:20 <Bmyers> it's fabulous
Oct 15 00:22:48 <dkirker> lol
Oct 15 00:22:56 <dkirker> I would imagine that it is
Oct 15 00:23:43 <Nyceane1> females always seem to have cheaper rent -_-
Oct 15 00:23:51 <Nyceane1> but they only want to rent with other females
Oct 15 00:25:10 <Nyceane1> another one
Oct 15 00:25:18 <Nyceane1> "my roommate is moving in with his boyfriend"
Oct 15 00:25:29 <Nyceane1> and nowhere did it mention hes gay or straight
Oct 15 00:25:47 <Bmyers>  homophobic or something?
Oct 15 00:25:55 <Bmyers> didnt you ever watch "odd couple" ?
Oct 15 00:26:48 <Nyceane1> again, i just dont want to room with one...
Oct 15 00:26:58 <Nyceane1> i have nothing against how they live
Oct 15 01:21:17 <haeffb> Bmyers: sure
Oct 15 01:23:10 <t8> hey guys
Oct 15 01:24:21 <halfhalo> Hmmm
Oct 15 01:24:45 <halfhalo> This makes me sad
Oct 15 01:25:16 <Bmyers> haeffb:  sure what?
Oct 15 01:26:53 <haeffb> coed ok
Oct 15 01:27:14 <haeffb> so, I'm two hours late with a response
Oct 15 01:27:23 <Bmyers> oh, yeah
Oct 15 01:27:31 <Bmyers> you may have to bunk w/ Jenp
Oct 15 01:27:44 <halfhalo> This is a damn good phone
Oct 15 01:27:48 <JenP> hahaha...
Oct 15 01:28:05 <Bmyers> Nyceane1: is a little homophobic so he can sleep in the garage where there are no other males..
Oct 15 01:28:19 <JenP> lol
Oct 15 01:28:37 <Bmyers> 'cept squirrells
Oct 15 01:28:42 <Nyceane1> well, i assume that means there will be gays sleeping in the bedroom =)
Oct 15 01:28:49 <halfhalo> Which is sad, because the os is crap, but I have to make it my main phone
Oct 15 01:29:16 <Bmyers> even asleep they still scare you?
Oct 15 01:29:33 <Nyceane1> nah, just dont want to live with one
Oct 15 01:29:41 <Nyceane1> and dudes constantly comes in expect that i put out
Oct 15 01:29:51 <Nyceane1> and i'd have to reject them -_- feels bad doing that
Oct 15 01:29:58 <Bmyers> if they buy u dinner maybe
Oct 15 01:30:10 <JenP> nah he's holding out for jewerly
Oct 15 01:30:17 <Bmyers> smart boy
Oct 15 01:30:24 <Nyceane1> i only put out if they have a vagina =)
Oct 15 01:30:31 <t8> lol
Oct 15 01:32:09 <halfhalo> Stupid android
Oct 15 01:32:27 <Bmyers> halfhalo: what did u get?
Oct 15 01:32:51 <t8> how long does the 'processing for submission' stay?
Oct 15 01:33:12 <halfhalo> Epic 4g
Oct 15 01:33:22 <Bmyers> hard kb?
Oct 15 01:33:33 <halfhalo> Si
Oct 15 01:33:47 <Deihmos> got that phone myself
Oct 15 01:33:52 <Deihmos> loving it
Oct 15 01:34:26 <halfhalo> I had ordered it so I could test websites on it, but just for kicks activated it on my line
Oct 15 01:34:35 <halfhalo> and it can make calls at my house
Oct 15 01:34:43 <halfhalo> which is something my pre is unable to do
Oct 15 01:35:21 <Deihmos> i don't even use the hardkeyboard
Oct 15 01:35:27 <halfhalo> and its something I sorta need, so it stays as my main phone
Oct 15 01:35:35 <Deihmos> typing on the touch screen is much faster in landscape
Oct 15 01:35:40 <halfhalo> going to metadoctor my pre tomorrow
Oct 15 01:36:39 <Deihmos> my next phone wouldn;t have a keyboard once the screen is as big
Oct 15 01:37:05 <Bmyers> evo
Oct 15 01:37:31 <halfhalo> I think their putting new towers up near me soon, which means that I can switch back to a webos phone to use on a daily basis
Oct 15 01:38:41 <Nyceane1> night guys
Oct 15 01:51:25 <t8> come on app reviewers...
Oct 15 01:51:30 <t8> only a couple more days hopefully
Oct 15 01:53:24 <t8> sometimes the processing submission is instant
Oct 15 01:53:32 <t8> but in the case an hour ago, it's still in that state
Oct 15 01:53:42 <t8> of course, i have two apps in 'waiting for review'.. could that be it?
Oct 15 02:02:04 <Deihmos> call sprint and get an airave. I find the epic to be a much better device than the pre though
Oct 15 02:33:18 <halfhalo> tried the airave, no much money for it
Oct 15 02:33:42 <halfhalo> but I'm now one of those 'l33t h4ck3rs' with a rooted android phone
Oct 15 02:52:51 <haeffb> if you complain enough about "no signal at home" Sprint will give you a free airave. Supposedly.
Oct 15 02:53:28 <Deihmos> got one free
Oct 15 02:53:40 <halfhalo> I tried
Oct 15 02:53:44 <halfhalo> didn't work
Oct 15 02:53:46 <halfhalo> tried alot
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