**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 15 02:59:57 2010
Oct 15 03:11:13 <haeffb> try alotter ?
Oct 15 03:11:28 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 15 03:11:45 <haeffb> try more alotleymore.
Oct 15 03:12:48 <bpadalino> i wouldn't mind paying for the airave hardware, but it's the extra hit every month to use my broadband connection that really just irks me
Oct 15 03:13:07 <bpadalino> i really wish UMA took off
Oct 15 03:15:28 * haeffb has a tower about 1.5 miles with good sightline
Oct 15 03:16:19 * halfhalo has service everywhere but his house
Oct 15 03:16:32 <halfhalo> literally, full bars 3 houses down either direction
Oct 15 03:16:54 <halfhalo> house is recessed in the hills and parralel to the one tower near here
Oct 15 03:17:02 <halfhalo> BUT 4G is connecting!
Oct 15 03:18:04 <Deihmos> what are your impression of android
Oct 15 03:18:21 <halfhalo> not impressed
Oct 15 03:18:36 <Deihmos> at first i did not like it but after using it for a while and seeing how much i can now do with the phone i am loving it
Oct 15 03:19:37 <halfhalo> it got reeeeallly laggy just now
Oct 15 03:20:51 <sugardave> interesting...my wife has dvr'd a show called Vanilla Ice Project.  He flips houses in Florida
Oct 15 03:22:03 <haeffb> Saw a tweet today... "Hope the Chilean miners don't see this show called Vanilla Ice Project. They'll want to go back into the mine."
Oct 15 03:22:32 <sugardave> haha
Oct 15 03:23:44 <alexfner> I am reading the paper that larry page and sergey brin published while at stanford
Oct 15 03:23:46 <alexfner> on google
Oct 15 03:23:48 <alexfner> very interestin
Oct 15 04:39:30 <SineOtter> Has anyone here used Meego before?
Oct 15 04:40:02 <halfhalo> nein
Oct 15 04:40:47 <SineOtter> All Things D is reporting that Nokia's Meego head exec got snapped up by Palm
Oct 15 04:40:55 <SineOtter> having used Meego: that's probably a really good thing
Oct 15 04:40:59 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 15 04:41:31 <SineOtter> Meego would probably be my OS of choice on my laptop full time if it had better hardware support rolled into it :c
Oct 15 04:47:07 <SineOtter> the one thing I can hope that his experience with designing Meego handset that Palm picks up on? Letting everything in the phone function in portrait or landscape. Having the launcher and quick launch bar not respect orientation is lame! :B
Oct 15 04:48:02 <halfhalo> hmm, epic is faster after a wipe...
Oct 15 04:48:14 <SineOtter> epic, as in epic 4g?
Oct 15 04:48:18 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 15 04:48:21 <rwhitby> SineOtter: I used maemo on n800 and meego on a netbook
Oct 15 04:48:41 <rwhitby> Ari knows how to do open source and community.
Oct 15 04:49:14 <halfhalo> I'm stuck with the epic as my main phone for right now since it has enough signal for me to make calls, vs my pre which always drops out
Oct 15 04:49:41 <SineOtter> it had the desktop UI on the n800, no?
Oct 15 04:49:51 <SineOtter> oh, maemo on the n800, derp
Oct 15 04:50:01 <halfhalo> I'm such an edge case signal wise anything makes a difference
Oct 15 04:50:19 <SineOtter> I'm wishing that some day (preferably soon) sprint upgrades the AirRave to include 3G
Oct 15 04:50:32 <SineOtter> I know ATT did it, and I think Verizon did too
Oct 15 04:50:37 <rwhitby> still have an n800, waiting for them to support it with MeeGo
Oct 15 04:57:05 <SineOtter> boo. Poorly grounded USB plugs + my Pixi = touchscreen party fun time
Oct 15 04:57:24 * SineOtter watches it register like 15 taps in different locations all at the same time!
Oct 15 05:06:34 <dkirker> 'evening everyone
Oct 15 05:06:39 <SineOtter> evening
Oct 15 05:06:47 <halfhalo> evn
Oct 15 05:06:56 <halfhalo> wth
Oct 15 05:07:02 <halfhalo> android marketplace died for me
Oct 15 05:08:04 <rwhitby> halfhalo: you seem to have mistaken the people in this channel for someone who cares ...
Oct 15 05:08:25 <dkirker> lol
Oct 15 05:08:36 <halfhalo> yes, yes I have
Oct 15 05:08:42 <SineOtter> anything that makes android look bad makes webos look better in comparison ;P
Oct 15 05:08:42 * halfhalo goes and cries in a corner
Oct 15 05:11:35 * halfhalo finds cake in the corner
Oct 15 05:11:50 * SineOtter hopes he plans to share :<
Oct 15 06:03:25 <maik> anyone tried putting a DatePicker in a list?
Oct 15 06:07:43 <sugardave> maik: yes
Oct 15 06:07:46 <sugardave> and time, too :D
Oct 15 06:08:10 <sugardave> what's the trouble?
Oct 15 06:08:34 <maik> it's in a list of with other things and the Date label isn't vertically centered, it's like bottom left
Oct 15 06:08:45 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 15 06:08:51 <sugardave> I just leave it there
Oct 15 06:08:58 <maik> i don't want to...
Oct 15 06:09:09 <sugardave> whip out inspector and you'll have to add some css
Oct 15 06:09:17 <maik> wtf
Oct 15 06:09:50 <sugardave> I'm pretty sure
Oct 15 06:10:09 <sugardave> I just don't know what the label class is
Oct 15 06:12:25 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 15 06:12:32 <halfhalo> murnn
Oct 15 06:12:52 <swisstomcat> hi halfhalo .. going to nyc?
Oct 15 06:12:56 <halfhalo> nope
Oct 15 06:13:05 <halfhalo> cant afford it
Oct 15 06:15:13 <maik> i forget how to use palm inspector
Oct 15 06:16:13 <sugardave> maik: close your app, then do palm-launch -i com.whatever.id
Oct 15 06:16:18 <sugardave> then launch inspector
Oct 15 06:16:58 <maik> thx
Oct 15 06:17:02 <sugardave> np
Oct 15 06:18:01 <sugardave> time for sleep
Oct 15 06:18:19 <maik> hmm, it doesn't like that
Oct 15 06:18:50 <dkirker> 'night sugardave
Oct 15 06:19:10 <maik> night sugardave
Oct 15 06:23:34 <swisstomcat> night sugardave
Oct 15 06:23:50 <swisstomcat> hi maik,dkirker
Oct 15 06:24:02 <dkirker> hi swisstomcat
Oct 15 06:30:17 <dkirker> swisstomcat: How are things in your part of the world?
Oct 15 06:30:25 <swisstomcat> good, good
Oct 15 06:30:42 <swisstomcat> quit my day-job and will be more in the mobile world 2011 .. hopefully
Oct 15 06:33:40 <dkirker> I am trying to deal with what I want to do work wise
Oct 15 06:33:40 <dkirker> to
Oct 15 06:33:40 <dkirker> o
Oct 15 06:33:41 <dkirker> m
Oct 15 06:33:44 <dkirker> erg
Oct 15 06:33:48 <dkirker> too many options
Oct 15 06:34:36 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 15 06:34:37 <swisstomcat> bbl
Oct 15 07:39:41 <hotdp> Goodmorning
Oct 15 07:46:08 <alexfner> hey webosers
Oct 15 07:46:08 <alexfner> how goes it
Oct 15 07:46:20 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp,alexfner
Oct 15 07:46:38 <swisstomcat> starting to work on my presentation "you know webOS" for the front-trends conference
Oct 15 07:46:45 <hotdp> Fine here.. i have taken a day from work so i can develope webos
Oct 15 07:47:01 <hotdp> What date was it swisstomcat?
Oct 15 07:47:29 <swisstomcat> october 21/22
Oct 15 07:48:22 <hotdp> cool
Oct 15 07:49:59 <whoolio> swisstomcat...u r coming ot nyc?
Oct 15 07:50:05 <swisstomcat> nope
Oct 15 07:50:06 <whoolio> for dev day
Oct 15 07:50:09 <swisstomcat> wish i could
Oct 15 07:50:35 <hotdp> whoolio you going?
Oct 15 07:50:35 <whoolio> hotdp, u?
Oct 15 07:50:40 <whoolio> yeah i am
Oct 15 07:50:49 <whoolio> reading my mind?
Oct 15 07:50:50 <whoolio> lol
Oct 15 07:51:30 <hotdp> Yer i am going
Oct 15 07:51:53 <whoolio> cool!
Oct 15 07:52:03 <hotdp> How much is hotels in avarge in nyc?
Oct 15 07:52:29 <whoolio> haha...i really wouldn't know...
Oct 15 07:52:36 <whoolio> im gonna take a trainin for 2 hours
Oct 15 07:52:44 <whoolio> and then take a train back out
Oct 15 07:52:46 <SineOtter> if I had to guess? "expensive"
Oct 15 07:53:02 <whoolio> yes...the on eon the palm sites was several hundred a night
Oct 15 07:53:10 <SineOtter> NYC has tried to shut down a room rental site because the hotels basically ganged up and pushed it through
Oct 15 07:53:28 <whoolio> i looked because i don't really want to take the train in
Oct 15 07:54:09 <hotdp> ohh.. i can't take a train from  Denmark :/
Oct 15 07:54:31 <SineOtter> find someone else and crash with them?
Oct 15 07:55:31 <whoolio> haha
Oct 15 07:55:35 <alexfner> morning swisstomcat
Oct 15 07:55:56 <hotdp> I ask Ben og Dion if i can crach there when i drunk
Oct 15 07:56:01 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 15 07:56:02 <hotdp> crash*
Oct 15 07:56:06 <alexfner> swisstomcat: so you are resigning from your current job soon?
Oct 15 07:56:10 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 15 07:56:13 <swisstomcat> end of the year
Oct 15 07:56:19 <alexfner> do you have plans beyond that?
Oct 15 07:56:32 <swisstomcat> nothing specific yet
Oct 15 07:56:35 <swisstomcat> many plans
Oct 15 07:56:38 <swisstomcat> or idea
Oct 15 07:56:40 <alexfner> are you worried at all?
Oct 15 07:56:41 <swisstomcat> ideas
Oct 15 07:56:47 <swisstomcat> not at all
Oct 15 07:57:09 <swisstomcat> i'm talking to many people
Oct 15 07:57:12 <swisstomcat> got some leads
Oct 15 07:57:35 <alexfner> interesting
Oct 15 07:57:39 <alexfner> just curious
Oct 15 07:59:33 <Eric2K> sup
Oct 15 07:59:36 <swisstomcat> hi
Oct 15 08:00:06 <swisstomcat> both are in the area of web dev for mobile with phonegap
Oct 15 08:00:06 <Eric2K> Been awhile since i have been on chat. Since summer :).
Oct 15 08:00:30 <Eric2K> i remember your name swiss :)
Oct 15 08:01:05 <alexfner> swisstomcat: for mobile development teams?
Oct 15 08:01:38 <Eric2K> For people awake,  what reaction do you guys have to PRE (2)(no idea real name) the revamped rumors /pic
Oct 15 08:02:07 <swisstomcat> alexfner: correct
Oct 15 08:02:08 <rwhitby> it's my next phone
Oct 15 08:02:16 <swisstomcat> mine too
Oct 15 08:02:28 * hotdp new phone
Oct 15 08:02:29 <swisstomcat> until the new models come out 2011
Oct 15 08:02:36 <swisstomcat> and tablets
Oct 15 08:03:07 <hotdp> yer
Oct 15 08:03:31 <Eric2K> I am thinking palm should come out with a Samsung EPIC sized phone.
Oct 15 08:03:40 <rwhitby> I wonder if they will be released before the Dev Day
Oct 15 08:03:43 <Eric2K> Keep the physical keyboard. Have 3 models.  Pixi/PRE/  and roadrunner
Oct 15 08:04:03 <Eric2K> Pixi needs to be renamed/glass screen. Maybe resize the screen to be like that new DROID PRO thing
Oct 15 08:04:37 <Eric2K> And honestly with thoes 3 devices... 1 Candy Bar  qwerty  1 Slider (pre)  and 1  tablet landscape slider.... Perfect line up.
Oct 15 08:04:37 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: that be cool .. now you have to go to NYC :)
Oct 15 08:04:50 <Eric2K> WebOS 2.0 looks very promiseing....
Oct 15 08:04:54 <rwhitby> I can't believe people base their phone purchases in any way on the name.
Oct 15 08:05:03 <Eric2K> they do...
Oct 15 08:05:08 <rwhitby> How insecure must they be.
Oct 15 08:05:18 <Eric2K> I like the PIXI i think its an awsome device
Oct 15 08:05:23 <swisstomcat> pixi is not manly enough :)
Oct 15 08:05:32 <Eric2K> sadly the name is just to tinker bell for people
Oct 15 08:05:46 <Eric2K> men are very very emasucalted as it is in this day and age
Oct 15 08:05:46 <swisstomcat> i like the pixi's form factor and build quality too .. i think it's just a bit too small for me
Oct 15 08:05:46 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: no, the person holding the pixi is obviously not manly enough
Oct 15 08:05:51 <Eric2K> last thing most guys need is a pixi
Oct 15 08:05:52 <Eric2K> lol
Oct 15 08:06:10 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 15 08:06:24 <rwhitby> my daughter loves tinkerbell.  tinkerbell is cool.
Oct 15 08:06:26 <hotdp> rwhitby you going to dev days? thought you did not have the money
Oct 15 08:06:28 <Eric2K> I want a big boy phone EPIC sized.  I think palm should keep with there stance of Physical keyboards. IF THEY DO release a keyboardless device better be rocking a 4'3 inch screen lol
Oct 15 08:06:44 <rwhitby> hotdp: I'm hoping for a miracle
Oct 15 08:07:01 <rwhitby> you know what they say about the size of your phone ....
Oct 15 08:07:03 <Eric2K> Windows 7 is a big letdown for me :( My carrier Bell is getting the shittyest device from LG.
Oct 15 08:07:26 <Eric2K> I HOPE WE GET the new Palm Devices.....
Oct 15 08:07:28 <hotdp> rwhitby Palm will not sponsor anything for a good person as you?
Oct 15 08:07:58 <hotdp> Eric2K what is your corrent device?
Oct 15 08:07:58 <rwhitby> hotdp: as I said, I'm hoping for a miracle
Oct 15 08:07:58 <whoolio> anyone get the free pre plus?
Oct 15 08:08:06 <hotdp> sounds like an epic
Oct 15 08:08:29 <hotdp> whoolio i am waiting for next shipment :-/
Oct 15 08:08:52 <whoolio> so palm hooked you up? for free? cool! i got mine the other day
Oct 15 08:08:59 <Eric2K> Right now i have 3 devices
Oct 15 08:09:07 <Eric2K> PRE/Omnia II and a galaxy
Oct 15 08:09:16 <Eric2K> all fromm BELL here in canada.
Oct 15 08:09:26 <Eric2K> I dislike andriod more and more everyday
Oct 15 08:09:42 <whoolio> im getting tan from all the phones/displays i have
Oct 15 08:10:40 <Eric2K> people talk a ton of shit on Windows Mobile 6.X but i honestly do not mind it. 6.5.5 fix's the few things that bugged me. Opera Mini on it is a solid browser.  im between me PRE and Omnia II
Oct 15 08:10:45 <Eric2K> galaxy S sits there useless
Oct 15 08:10:51 <Eric2K> going to sell it lol
Oct 15 08:11:06 * hotdp wonder why rwhitby is not a guest speaker at Dev Days..
Oct 15 08:11:32 <Eric2K> he should represent webos-internals.org community
Oct 15 08:11:40 <rwhitby> hotdp: what topic would I present?
Oct 15 08:11:51 <Eric2K> PResent Community related feelings
Oct 15 08:11:57 <Eric2K> Overclocking/Preware/ penis extentions
Oct 15 08:12:10 <whoolio> hey u guys looking for a place in NYC for dev day
Oct 15 08:12:12 <whoolio> check out http://www.airbnb.com/
Oct 15 08:12:23 <rwhitby> Eric2K: there's no need for that
Oct 15 08:13:09 <rwhitby> hotdp: seriously, what would a room on webOS developers want to hear from me?
Oct 15 08:13:14 <rwhitby> s/on/of/
Oct 15 08:13:42 <swisstomcat> don't sell yourself short, rwhitby!
Oct 15 08:13:48 <Eric2K> Hear about how you coded an APP that destroys all nearby IOS devices via bluetooth and auto installs WEBOS over linux based devices like andriod.
Oct 15 08:14:01 <Eric2K> WE ARE the BORG type deal
Oct 15 08:14:05 <swisstomcat> a room full of webos developers would kneel down in front of you if you'd speak ;)
Oct 15 08:15:02 <Eric2K> Anyone here have 2.0 version of webos running on device?
Oct 15 08:15:38 <rwhitby> Eric2K: even if someone did, they would not be able to tell you.
Oct 15 08:15:59 <Eric2K> NDA's blowwwwwwww
Oct 15 08:21:10 <Schalla> 10am ... to early -.-
Oct 15 08:26:03 <swisstomcat> 10:21am
Oct 15 08:27:47 <rwhitby> 6:55pm
Oct 15 08:28:02 <rwhitby> and just finished work :)
Oct 15 08:28:30 <swisstomcat> strange all those time-zones
Oct 15 08:28:41 <Schalla> Kinda Kinda...
Oct 15 08:31:27 <whoolio> hey everyone...im trying to port an app to andoird
Oct 15 08:31:43 <whoolio> is there a simpler way to do this than this? http://building-android-apps.labs.oreilly.com/ch07.html
Oct 15 08:32:08 <whoolio> ive installed like 4 or 5 different thigns at this point and im not even halfway down the page
Oct 15 08:32:36 <whoolio> all this for an html hello world app? lol
Oct 15 08:34:37 <swisstomcat> yeah, it's a pain compared to webOS
Oct 15 08:34:56 <whoolio> totally...
Oct 15 08:35:08 <whoolio> ican wrap an app in webos or the iphone in 10 minutes
Oct 15 08:35:57 <hotdp> also design in android
Oct 15 08:36:00 <hotdp> GUI
Oct 15 08:36:04 <hotdp> I hate it!
Oct 15 08:36:24 <whoolio> hotdp: how do u convert a simple html/javascript app
Oct 15 08:36:53 <whoolio> i dont even know if phone gap makes it simper
Oct 15 08:36:58 <whoolio> simpler
Oct 15 08:38:07 <hotdp> i have not converted
Oct 15 08:38:20 <hotdp> i have just looked at converting my app but gave up!
Oct 15 08:38:26 <hotdp> *been
Oct 15 08:38:41 <hotdp> the GUI on android took way too long
Oct 15 08:39:00 <whoolio> gui?
Oct 15 08:39:04 <whoolio> u mean the emulator?
Oct 15 08:39:32 <hotdp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface
Oct 15 08:39:48 <whoolio> yeah...haha...i know what gui means
Oct 15 08:39:50 <swisstomcat> phonegap on android works well
Oct 15 08:39:53 <whoolio> thought u were confusing it
Oct 15 08:40:07 * hotdp have made he's coffee to strong :-/
Oct 15 08:41:25 <whoolio> swisstomcat
Oct 15 08:41:35 <swisstomcat> whoolio
Oct 15 08:41:36 <whoolio> ive installed everythign and its not recognizing droidgap
Oct 15 08:41:44 <swisstomcat> which OS
Oct 15 08:41:45 <swisstomcat> ?
Oct 15 08:41:49 <hotdp> swisstomcat if you wonna use phonegap you have to make the app there first right?
Oct 15 08:42:15 <swisstomcat> hotdp: basically, yes .. phonegap doesn't help you with the GUI
Oct 15 08:43:06 <whoolio> swisstomcat: do these instruction , create a package you can submit ? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2114
Oct 15 08:43:15 <whoolio> i think my problem is im trying ot do this on a PC
Oct 15 08:43:24 <whoolio> and should use a mac instead
Oct 15 08:43:53 <swisstomcat> i use a PC too, but with linux :)
Oct 15 08:44:29 <swisstomcat> i think droidgap needs the ruby stuff installed .. which won't be installed on windows
Oct 15 08:44:39 <whoolio> i installed it.
Oct 15 08:44:50 <whoolio> theres a windows install
Oct 15 08:48:02 <swisstomcat> then it should work, droidgap is a ruby script AFAIK
Oct 15 08:54:40 <whoolio> i think the real issue is that its 5 am
Oct 15 08:54:47 <whoolio> and i shoudl go to bed
Oct 15 08:55:00 <whoolio> lol
Oct 15 08:55:59 <whoolio> hotdp...did u see my message about airbnb.com?
Oct 15 08:58:25 <whoolio> good night
Oct 15 08:58:33 <whoolio> everyone
Oct 15 08:59:00 <swisstomcat> night whoolio
Oct 15 09:29:31 <teemu> swisstomcat: did you have Android AppInventor access?
Oct 15 09:29:41 <teemu> Or was it sugardave who was waiting for it..
Oct 15 09:30:57 <swisstomcat> nope
Oct 15 09:31:02 <swisstomcat> not me
Oct 15 09:33:14 <teemu> rgr
Oct 15 09:58:43 <Bmyers> teemu:  have they started passing that out yet?
Oct 15 10:04:17 <teemu> Bmyers: sure have.
Oct 15 10:04:22 <teemu> I have access to it.
Oct 15 10:04:26 <teemu> I just need the time to try it out.
Oct 15 10:04:27 <Bmyers> when?
Oct 15 10:04:36 <teemu> Months ago I guess.
Oct 15 10:04:41 <Bmyers> i sent an email a few days ago
Oct 15 10:04:42 <teemu> I got mine several weeks ago.
Oct 15 10:05:18 <Bmyers> although if its anything like ares, I wont be impressed
Oct 15 10:05:22 <teemu> heh yeah
Oct 15 10:05:30 <teemu> But then you don't have to play with Android SDK ;)
Oct 15 10:05:54 <Bmyers> A sdk not too bad
Oct 15 10:06:32 <teemu> off topic: I'm new to mobile dev scene but I wonder if there's projects that would need programmers to help them out.
Oct 15 10:07:04 <teemu> I'm out off bright ideas, I do have two demos of my own, but I'd want to do something useful
Oct 15 10:07:30 <Bmyers> sugardave:  is working on a timezone app. i'm sure he'd share that with you
Oct 15 10:08:07 <hotdp> sugardave is having problems with bugs in webos :S
Oct 15 10:09:23 <teemu> features ;)
Oct 15 10:09:34 <teemu> Bmyers: I'll ask.
Oct 15 10:09:45 * teemu feels like wasted resource
Oct 15 10:10:06 <Bmyers> hat other dev work have u done teemu ?
Oct 15 10:11:21 <teemu> Non for mobile, but I do have plenty of SQL, PHP, Rails, HTML(JS,jQuery,Scriptaculous, prototype, yui whatnot..), perl, python..
Oct 15 10:12:01 <teemu> Shibboleth, OpenSSO, CAS, Tomcat, Apache, AD..
Oct 15 10:12:31 <teemu> I work in a university and do internal development so there's where I get my experience from
Oct 15 10:13:35 <Bmyers> interesting..
Oct 15 10:15:48 <teemu> So if you want something to see I have nothing :( gah. my biggest thing ever was to integrate PostGIS, GeoServer and PrototypeJS
Oct 15 10:16:02 <teemu> I do have code from that era, that's three years ago.
Oct 15 10:16:24 <teemu> But I do have two demos I'm about to uploda to Google Code.
Oct 15 10:16:59 <teemu> I just need to recode appserver in PHP instead of Rails since my hosting service doesn't support Rails 3
Oct 15 10:29:30 <Bmyers> well chat with sugardave  when he finally gets his lazy butt out of bed. I'm sure he let you in on his tmz project
Oct 15 10:29:43 <Bmyers> (teemu   ) ^^
Oct 15 10:34:50 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 15 10:37:10 <t8> I just discovered something about controling a view/service rather than a widget
Oct 15 10:37:35 <t8> this.controller.get('widgetName').mojo.FUNCTION(); controls the widget from a button tap
Oct 15 10:37:45 <t8> With an audio, which is a service, I can just use this.audio.play();
Oct 15 10:39:01 <teemu> Bmyers: :)
Oct 15 10:41:42 <t8> Okay so now I understand
Oct 15 10:41:48 <t8> a widget and an object is entirely separate
Oct 15 10:43:18 <t8> Has anyone had their app hang on "processing submission"?
Oct 15 10:45:39 <swisstomcat> not yet
Oct 15 10:46:13 <swisstomcat> q: what is the average hourly rate for a contractor job in the us?
Oct 15 10:47:31 <t8> hhmm
Oct 15 10:47:35 <t8> made a forum post about it
Oct 15 11:32:50 <t8> trying to get sounds to work on this >_<
Oct 15 11:34:04 <swisstomcat> doesn't work?
Oct 15 11:36:36 <t8> i just started novaterm, and wrote the four commands
Oct 15 11:36:40 <t8> then restarted emulator
Oct 15 11:36:58 <t8> i made an audio object, and loaded a url jut to test
Oct 15 11:37:01 <t8> doesnt work
Oct 15 11:37:04 <t8> it's a wav file
Oct 15 11:37:13 <t8>  put 'autoload' just to confirm
Oct 15 11:37:27 <t8> and also a button
Oct 15 11:37:55 <t8> anything else I am missing?
Oct 15 11:39:41 <t8> i read that on the new emulator, sounds may not work?
Oct 15 11:40:24 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 15 11:40:26 <swisstomcat> never tried
Oct 15 11:40:31 <swisstomcat> do you have a device to test?
Oct 15 11:42:05 <t8> nope
Oct 15 11:42:06 <t8> :-)
Oct 15 11:42:49 <t8> i attached a sound object, then on my button ontap... this.audio1.play();
Oct 15 11:42:49 <t8> im just going to assume it works since it looks like i am doing it correctly
Oct 15 11:42:58 <t8> should work correctly
Oct 15 11:43:04 <t8> all on the same scene, level
Oct 15 11:44:40 <t8> im off to work
Oct 15 11:44:44 <t8> got my first app done :-)
Oct 15 11:44:58 <t8> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.jamesderektate.solarsystem
Oct 15 11:45:19 <hotdp> gl t8
Oct 15 11:45:25 <t8> im a big big fan of astronomy, so i had to make myself an android app... ended up creating it entirely in webos
Oct 15 11:45:27 <t8> anyways
Oct 15 13:14:53 <t8> hey guy
Oct 15 13:14:53 <t8> s
Oct 15 13:15:00 <t8> a little help on the sound in the emulator?
Oct 15 13:23:14 <swisstomcat> still no work?
Oct 15 13:23:25 <swisstomcat> you don't have a device?
Oct 15 13:23:55 <t8> nope, no device
Oct 15 13:23:57 <t8> maybe that's the reason?
Oct 15 13:24:11 <t8> it looks like the new emu doesnt support sounds, with some update, even with the commands i typed
Oct 15 13:24:15 <swisstomcat> i thought that wav-files should work in the emulator?
Oct 15 13:24:19 <t8> nope
Oct 15 13:24:21 <swisstomcat> which new emu?
Oct 15 13:24:26 <t8> they should if i run the commands from webos101
Oct 15 13:25:01 <t8> not sure, i read something on a forum
Oct 15 13:26:43 <t8> does your sounds work?
Oct 15 13:26:47 <t8> or do you just test on the raw device?
Oct 15 13:26:50 <renegaid> Interesting. Angry birds free for android
Oct 15 13:27:10 <t8> It's in beta
Oct 15 13:27:21 <t8> Ah, wow
Oct 15 13:27:23 <t8> you know why... right?
Oct 15 13:27:26 <t8> Android has a 24/7 demo window
Oct 15 13:27:33 <t8> It's like canada and us pharma.. cheaper in canada!
Oct 15 13:27:33 <renegaid> Not anymore
Oct 15 13:28:02 <t8> it's ap supprtoed
Oct 15 13:28:06 <t8> ad*
Oct 15 13:30:04 <t8> i dont know why they used getjar
Oct 15 13:32:19 <l_a_m> hi
Oct 15 13:32:45 <l_a_m> it is possible with the webview widget to replace some HTML content of the web page ?
Oct 15 13:35:12 <swisstomcat> hi
Oct 15 13:35:35 <swisstomcat> good quetsion
Oct 15 13:35:37 <renegaid> Probably make more with ads
Oct 15 13:35:37 <swisstomcat> question
Oct 15 13:35:39 <swisstomcat> example?
Oct 15 13:36:15 <t8> You're right
Oct 15 13:36:31 <l_a_m> my problem is : retrieve from www a content like (<table>.......</table>), add some CSS link, and replace some values and then load into a web view
Oct 15 13:36:34 <t8> The 24/7 demo window means selling apps on Android doesn't make much sense, except for rare cases
Oct 15 13:36:34 <l_a_m> it is possible ?
Oct 15 13:36:39 <t8> (like utilities)
Oct 15 13:36:50 <t8> l_a_m: I do not think this is possible
Oct 15 13:37:10 <l_a_m> t8: oh :(
Oct 15 13:37:13 <t8> Unless you grab that page's data, load the html source, and then manually replace the file, then load the new html
Oct 15 13:37:39 <l_a_m> t8: manually replace the file ?
Oct 15 13:39:34 <t8> Not sure
Oct 15 13:39:45 <t8> You'd somehow need to grab the html source, and I do not know how to do this
Oct 15 13:39:52 <t8> I know in php, you can grab the source of a file
Oct 15 13:42:17 <renegaid> Angry birds didn't really do so good on webos
Oct 15 13:42:21 <t8> is the treo made anymore?
Oct 15 13:42:39 <t8> there's this task manager in android that sells well, but it's an advanced utility
Oct 15 13:42:42 <t8> my friend has an android
Oct 15 13:42:52 <t8> he'll buy a game, then return it 24 hours later after beating it
Oct 15 13:45:06 <renegaid>  A lot of people are not really buying phone apps
Oct 15 13:47:45 <t8> Well
Oct 15 13:47:49 <t8> On Palm, or in general?
Oct 15 13:47:57 <t8> Eventually, people will just use the browser for 90% of what apps do
Oct 15 13:48:01 <t8> RIght now, still a novelty
Oct 15 13:48:15 <swisstomcat> on webOS, apps are just local web apps
Oct 15 13:48:16 <t8> On ANdroid, I have several hundred FREE apps.. and they download hundreds a day... all ad supported
Oct 15 13:48:22 <swisstomcat> local web sites i mean
Oct 15 13:48:31 <t8> Admob is the *only* worthy ad provider
Oct 15 13:48:52 <t8> The rest are OK, but the eCPMs are inline with admob and you get payment farther than 30 days, so it doesnt make much sense
Oct 15 13:48:56 <t8> iOS, paid apps are the way to go
Oct 15 13:49:01 <t8> palm, paid apps are the way to go
Oct 15 13:49:20 <t8> If the 24/7 demo window is ever added, then pay-for apps will slightly go away
Oct 15 13:51:12 <renegaid> When I look at palm catalog it does not seem like the majority of apparently are selling that much
Oct 15 13:51:19 <t8> well
Oct 15 13:51:20 <renegaid> Apparently
Oct 15 13:51:23 <t8> I just released a planets app
Oct 15 13:51:25 <t8> we'll see
Oct 15 13:51:31 <t8> https://sites.google.com/site/jdtwebos/
Oct 15 13:51:32 <renegaid> Apps dumb auto correct
Oct 15 13:51:47 <t8> What do you mean?
Oct 15 13:51:49 <t8> "auto correct'?
Oct 15 13:51:57 <t8> 15 years ago, the "in" thing was to buy doom maps and mods
Oct 15 13:52:27 <t8> 10 years ago, people bought add-ons for windows and whatever.
Oct 15 13:52:56 <t8> eventually, the browser will be a lot better
Oct 15 13:52:56 <t8> you know, it changes
Oct 15 13:53:04 <renegaid> On screen keyboard auto correct
Oct 15 13:53:10 <t8> ok
Oct 15 13:53:45 <t8> Some day, the browser will get a lot better
Oct 15 13:53:50 <t8> but, iOS already is picked over pretty well
Oct 15 13:53:52 <t8> That's the problem
Oct 15 13:54:09 <t8> If you want to profit, buying Apple stocks seems to be the key..i read it's over $300
Oct 15 13:55:00 <renegaid> If you bought it a few years ago it would have been a lot better
Oct 15 13:55:18 <t8> yep
Oct 15 13:55:26 <t8> games games games are the true money maker
Oct 15 13:55:38 <t8> but there's other things that are useful
Oct 15 13:55:43 <t8> aesthetically designing something
Oct 15 13:57:32 <renegaid> If you bought palm stock when it was low should have sold it when it was low hopefully you sold it when it went up temporarily
Oct 15 13:58:08 <renegaid> Error in that. Should have sold when high
Oct 15 13:58:45 <renegaid> When palm was trading at about $3 then went up to 18
Oct 15 14:02:58 <renegaid> What is preventing someone from making a video player that can play everything like xvids
Oct 15 14:04:19 <renegaid> Is it not possible
Oct 15 14:05:16 <summatusmentis> is it bad to underclock the cpu?
Oct 15 14:06:01 <summatusmentis> I've got my pre currently doing 250/1000 screen state, but clocking it that low makes the load average really high
Oct 15 14:06:05 <summatusmentis> (like 8-10)
Oct 15 14:06:13 <renegaid> Why would u want to? The phone is already so sow to begin with
Oct 15 14:07:04 <summatusmentis> doing screenstate 250/1000 saves my battery
Oct 15 14:08:51 <iWinRar> i usually run 125/1000
Oct 15 14:09:56 <t8> lol
Oct 15 14:12:45 <renegaid> I don't see how that saves battery.
Oct 15 14:16:04 <t8> http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/fortunecookies
Oct 15 14:16:10 <t8> what widget is this on the left?
Oct 15 14:16:15 <t8> the email/sms button?
Oct 15 14:23:43 <summatusmentis> renegaid: the voltage to run the CPU is lower
Oct 15 14:23:52 <summatusmentis> iWinRar: does that work for you?
Oct 15 14:24:04 <iWinRar> yea
Oct 15 14:24:24 <renegaid> The CPU is not doing anything when phone sleeps.
Oct 15 14:25:15 <haeffb_pre> t8: command menu
Oct 15 14:25:52 <iWinRar> funny my battery seems to last longer when im running the battery monitor lol
Oct 15 14:26:14 <summatusmentis> renegaid: I use my phone to play music, for isntance
Oct 15 14:26:32 <renegaid> OK
Oct 15 14:27:56 <summatusmentis> it's just that underclocking also kicks the cpu load way high
Oct 15 14:28:36 <t8> i mean the button next to the cookie, haeffb_pre
Oct 15 14:28:44 <t8> it looks like a widget... it's ovalish?
Oct 15 14:28:52 <t8> it looks like a button... i thought command menu was top lfet.
Oct 15 14:28:53 <Ziomatrix> Palm should serious consider incorporating something like this into their Just Type: http://project.carrot2.org/
Oct 15 14:29:19 <iWinRar> i wonder if you could get a pre on boost mobile
Oct 15 14:29:28 <iWinRar> with there new shrinkage plan, could be nice
Oct 15 14:29:42 <t8> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1638 <- you are right
Oct 15 14:30:48 <renegaid> Pre would not work on boost
Oct 15 14:30:59 <Ziomatrix> iWinRar: it would require buying a used Sprint model off of eBay then knowing how to reset the EDN and know the right settings
Oct 15 14:31:27 <Ziomatrix> renegaid: doesn't iBoost use the Sprint network or Verizon?
Oct 15 14:33:58 <Ziomatrix> I meant changing the ESN or hoping it's compatible if you try to activate Boost online or over the phone
Oct 15 14:34:00 <iWinRar> iboos?
Oct 15 14:34:29 <t8> ok
Oct 15 14:34:30 <iWinRar> well from what i read ANY sprint phone would work on boost, just requires reaching the right customer service person
Oct 15 14:34:47 <Ziomatrix> iWinRar: sorry typo, but before changing the ESN you have to reset the SPC to 0000
Oct 15 14:34:48 <t8> in Ares, can i create a command menu?
Oct 15 14:35:37 <swisstomcat> same way as in mojo? :)
Oct 15 14:35:41 <swisstomcat> ping haeffb
Oct 15 14:36:13 <Ziomatrix> iWinRar: well it's a matter if they can work with Sprint SPC locked phones or if it requires unlocking it yourself before they activate or they just give you the DNS and proxy settings to put in yourself.
Oct 15 14:37:28 <Ziomatrix> iWinRar: don't expect Sprint Nav to work though.
Oct 15 14:38:59 <t8> well
Oct 15 14:39:05 <t8> in ares, you can just drop the widgets
Oct 15 14:39:12 <t8> but command menu is not a widget it looks like
Oct 15 14:39:33 <t8> i dont see it in the documentation under services or widgets, unless i search for it... so i dont know what a command menu is
Oct 15 14:39:53 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: yo
Oct 15 14:40:02 <oil> commandmenu == buttons at the bottom of the screen
Oct 15 14:40:03 <swisstomcat> haeffb: i have a customer for you
Oct 15 14:40:32 <haeffb_pre> t8 you can definitely do it I'm Ares but I don't know how
Oct 15 14:40:35 <haeffb_pre> yes...?
Oct 15 14:40:46 <t8> you can't just drag sometihng?
Oct 15 14:40:47 <swisstomcat> t8: http://webos101.com/Command_Menu_Example
Oct 15 14:41:09 <swisstomcat> haeffb: someone here in switzerland wants do buy done and noted
Oct 15 14:41:42 <t8> whatever
Oct 15 14:41:45 <t8> it's not a big deal
Oct 15 14:41:51 <t8> if my apps get more sales, ill lern more
Oct 15 14:41:58 <oil> lol
Oct 15 14:42:08 <oil> thats how to do it
Oct 15 14:42:12 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 15 14:42:27 <swisstomcat> t8: did you look around in the ares forum at developer.palm.com?
Oct 15 14:42:38 <t8> yea im at work, i havent
Oct 15 14:42:41 <t8> i know the command code
Oct 15 14:42:44 <t8> i just like to drag and drop :D
Oct 15 14:44:16 <haeffb_pre> tell 'em to use the free beta
Oct 15 14:44:40 <sugardave> good morning
Oct 15 14:44:46 <swisstomcat> morning sugardave
Oct 15 14:44:54 <swisstomcat> haeffb: how long will those last?
Oct 15 14:44:55 <sugardave> hi swisstomcat
Oct 15 14:45:21 <iWinRar> well i rarely use sprint nav
Oct 15 14:45:42 <swisstomcat> i'm working on my front-trends presenstation ... <div class="slide"><h1>title<h1><ul><li>bla bla</li></ul></div> .. easy :)
Oct 15 14:45:48 <swisstomcat> presentation
Oct 15 14:46:11 <sugardave> t8: the problem is that a lot of us don't use Ares, or usede it briefly in beta and then didn't go back, so we can't just "know" the differences between ares and straight mojo for every widget
Oct 15 14:46:25 <swisstomcat> ares needs more tutorials
Oct 15 14:46:34 <sugardave> swisstomcat: you the man!
Oct 15 14:46:45 <t8> i should write ares tutorials
Oct 15 14:46:50 <t8> like i said before, i love ares
Oct 15 14:47:02 <t8> i come from a strong actionscript/flash background, and ares is essentially the flash ide for palm
Oct 15 14:47:07 <sugardave> you and Anivrom and Ares should get a room,
Oct 15 14:47:11 <t8> you can drag widgets/services, and then edit the code in the assistant
Oct 15 14:47:15 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 15 14:47:17 <sugardave> I'm familiar
Oct 15 14:47:34 <t8> problem is, there isn't EVERYTHING palm has to offer, so Ares will likely get much much better
Oct 15 14:47:41 <t8> i have appinventor from google, but it blows
Oct 15 14:47:44 <t8> you can drag and drop
Oct 15 14:47:58 <t8> it's really bad though in its current form...
Oct 15 14:48:01 <swisstomcat> t8: ask palm if you can write ares tuts for them
Oct 15 14:48:18 <t8> the thing with ares is
Oct 15 14:48:30 <t8> you don't code the chrome js, and that's where code is given on the forum sometimes
Oct 15 14:48:33 <t8> you only code the assistant
Oct 15 14:48:46 <t8> as a result, a special ares.js file resides in the home directory of the app
Oct 15 14:48:52 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 15 14:50:46 <sugardave> shibboleet
Oct 15 14:50:55 <sugardave> I"m practicing
Oct 15 14:53:20 <swisstomcat> shibboleet?
Oct 15 14:54:24 <sugardave> http://xkcd.com/806/
Oct 15 14:55:02 <t8> does cyrket update sales pretty quickly?
Oct 15 14:55:08 <t8> or does palm refresh sales every day?
Oct 15 14:56:34 <swisstomcat> t8: sales on the developer portal are delayed
Oct 15 14:56:41 <swisstomcat> t8: settled transactions
Oct 15 14:56:58 <swisstomcat> t8: cyrket shows total downloads (including re-downloads and updates)
Oct 15 14:56:59 <t8> ok
Oct 15 14:57:06 <t8> got it
Oct 15 14:57:23 <t8> i made some soundboards, just wanting these bad boys to get approved...
Oct 15 14:59:50 <t8> one of my apps i submitted last night is on "processing submission" and i thought this state lasted a cople minutes
Oct 15 14:59:58 <t8> but then agian, an app was approved, and i got no email
Oct 15 15:00:10 <sugardave> it's silent approval
Oct 15 15:00:18 <sugardave> you only hear something if it's rejected
Oct 15 15:00:23 <t8> got it
Oct 15 15:00:33 <t8> but, the processing state... it's strange, i hope it didnt break
Oct 15 15:03:53 <t8> Have you had an app rejected?
Oct 15 15:04:03 <sugardave> my first and last
Oct 15 15:04:07 <t8> Really
Oct 15 15:04:11 <t8> What was the reason?
Oct 15 15:04:47 <sugardave> First was rejected because the system was in beta and there was confusion about where certain Palm app menu items needed to be
Oct 15 15:05:07 <sugardave> last was because I had a disabled password field (it was by design, but they still kicked it out)
Oct 15 15:07:25 <t8> ok
Oct 15 15:07:31 <t8> i made a store locator, and it uses some webview ui
Oct 15 15:07:36 <t8> im  hoping it clears
Oct 15 15:10:16 <swisstomcat> sugardave: austin devday?
Oct 15 15:10:38 <sugardave> swisstomcat: yes, I'm hoping I can convince them that's where it needs to be :D
Oct 15 15:10:49 <sugardave> #3 in Austin!
Oct 15 15:10:51 <swisstomcat> sounds like a good idea
Oct 15 15:10:51 <sugardave> woo!
Oct 15 15:11:03 <swisstomcat> first they need to do one in europe tho
Oct 15 15:11:08 <sugardave> :( boo
Oct 15 15:11:14 <sugardave> you've already been to one
Oct 15 15:11:21 <swisstomcat> europe is bigger than texas
Oct 15 15:11:27 <sugardave> slightly
Oct 15 15:11:33 <swisstomcat> lies
Oct 15 15:13:40 <t8> do you guys think intel is done?
Oct 15 15:13:46 <t8> or will intel be needed in the future?
Oct 15 15:20:04 <swisstomcat> not yet done
Oct 15 15:20:11 <t8> ok
Oct 15 15:20:16 <swisstomcat> but the mobile future looks like something without intel (for now)
Oct 15 15:20:17 <t8> is it relevant anymore?
Oct 15 15:25:06 <sugardave> people won't be giving up full-size notebooks and PCs anytime soon
Oct 15 15:26:14 <t8> yep
Oct 15 15:26:23 <t8> is there even a competitor other than amd?
Oct 15 15:26:29 <t8> it seems to me intel isn't a commodity
Oct 15 15:27:33 <sugardave> hi haeffb_pre, any news?
Oct 15 15:28:22 <summatusmentis> I would love a functioning arm based laptop
Oct 15 15:28:41 <summatusmentis> with real specs
Oct 15 15:29:06 <t8> hhmm
Oct 15 15:29:12 <t8> intel should just buy arm and then be fine
Oct 15 15:30:09 <t8> rather than mcafee
Oct 15 15:31:20 <haeffb_pre> no news
Oct 15 15:31:34 <sugardave> bummer
Oct 15 15:31:49 <sugardave> I just got some news, NetFlix native app for PS3 is finally here :D
Oct 15 15:32:04 <sugardave> now I can sign up for another monthly hit on my credit card
Oct 15 15:33:01 <haeffb_pre> wii...
Oct 15 15:34:18 <sugardave> I don't have one and probably not getting one now since we got a Move
Oct 15 15:38:17 <haeffb_pre> that's how I stream
Oct 15 15:40:03 <summatusmentis> I would love a streaming netflix app for webos, I assume those APIs aren't open?
Oct 15 15:45:04 <sugardave> Amaranth: I just saw your post last night re: Ubuntu and the PDK...awesome, I plan on upgrading to 10.10 next week and checking it out
Oct 15 15:49:06 <Amaranth> Yeah, I really need to script building that
Oct 15 15:49:18 <Amaranth> but I had to hack the hell out of palm's patch to SDL to make it build
Oct 15 15:49:43 <sugardave> Amaranth: so, if I am able to get it working, can I use the Palm samples and whatnot to start learning, or are there special differences because it is the widk?
Oct 15 15:49:57 * sugardave <--- total PDK n00b.
Oct 15 15:50:25 <Amaranth> sugardave: It has the same toolchain, same device libs, and as close to possible the same host libs as the Windows and OS X versions
Oct 15 15:50:42 <sugardave> that means....yes?
Oct 15 15:50:44 <sugardave> :D
Oct 15 15:50:45 <Amaranth> Yes
Oct 15 15:50:49 <sugardave> cool
Oct 15 15:51:28 <Amaranth> I took a project I was working on in OS X that uses GLES1, SDL, etc and was able to build it on the host (Ubuntu) and build a device version that ran on a pre
Oct 15 15:51:28 <sugardave> I look forward to bugging the channel about it :D
Oct 15 15:51:41 <sugardave> Amaranth: awesome, that gives me hope
Oct 15 15:52:02 <Amaranth> Using small modifications to my makefile
Oct 15 15:52:52 <Amaranth> So now Palm really has no excuse for not releasing a Linux PDK, I made one in an afternoon :P
Oct 15 15:53:52 <sugardave> haha
Oct 15 15:54:59 <Amaranth> Heck if I built it on an old RHEL or CentOS x86 system you could run it on pretty much any distro anywhere
Oct 15 15:56:23 <sugardave> that would be cool...I don't know anything about building packages
Oct 15 15:57:21 <oilsworkn> palm-package (folder)
Oct 15 15:57:22 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 15 15:59:31 <sugardave> not that one :P
Oct 15 16:01:46 * oilsworkn lets webosinternals autobuilder handle his stuff :)
Oct 15 16:17:45 * oilsworkn wonders if sugardave is still fighting with rodtime
Oct 15 16:18:34 <sugardave> nope
Oct 15 16:18:42 <sugardave> waiting
Oct 15 16:19:11 <haeffb_pre> rodtime won
Oct 15 16:19:24 <sugardave> convertDate thwarted me
Oct 15 16:19:28 * sugardave shakes his fists.
Oct 15 16:21:41 <oilsworkn> lols
Oct 15 16:27:44 <iWinRar> so android is getting angry birds free
Oct 15 16:28:44 <sugardave> yay?
Oct 15 16:28:58 <iWinRar> yay
Oct 15 16:29:04 <sugardave> yay
Oct 15 16:29:58 <sugardave> so many thread-lookers, so little responses
Oct 15 16:30:00 <oilsworkn> boo
Oct 15 16:30:09 <oilsworkn> thread?
Oct 15 16:30:26 <sugardave> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=9305
Oct 15 16:34:07 * oilsworkn replies with "maybe"
Oct 15 16:34:16 <sugardave> :P
Oct 15 16:34:28 <CTLAdvance> hello everyone
Oct 15 16:34:34 <sugardave> hello
Oct 15 16:37:40 <oilsworkn> hi
Oct 15 16:42:20 <haeffb_pre> ho
Oct 15 16:46:25 <summatusmentis> is uinput still in the testing feed? am I just missing something?
Oct 15 16:48:42 <oilsworkn> the thing for keyboss?
Oct 15 16:50:11 <summatusmentis> yes
Oct 15 16:50:25 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping it'll make the spacebar in VKB work
Oct 15 16:51:00 <oilsworkn> afaik it still is
Oct 15 16:51:23 <oilsworkn> its name is "Userspace Input Module" in preware though
Oct 15 16:51:28 * oilsworkn just looked
Oct 15 16:51:37 <summatusmentis> oh, that's why
Oct 15 16:51:42 <oilsworkn> and its in the kernels testing feed
Oct 15 16:51:54 <summatusmentis> oh
Oct 15 16:51:57 <summatusmentis> hrm
Oct 15 16:52:05 <summatusmentis> I don't want the kernels testing feed most of the time
Oct 15 16:52:11 <oilsworkn> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.5/
Oct 15 16:53:11 <summatusmentis> oh, not the kernels testing feed listed on the iwki?
Oct 15 16:53:12 <summatusmentis> wiki*
Oct 15 16:53:25 <summatusmentis> the wiki lists preware.is.awesome.com
Oct 15 16:53:28 <oilsworkn> whats the kernels testing feed in the wiki?
Oct 15 16:54:18 <oilsworkn> oh
Oct 15 16:54:32 <oilsworkn> that one tells you to name it specifically and let hte service make the feed correct on reboot
Oct 15 16:54:51 <oilsworkn> since kerenels feed is webos-version-specific
Oct 15 16:55:16 <oilsworkn> but that is the url it would replace it with :)
Oct 15 16:55:41 <summatusmentis> oh
Oct 15 17:06:30 <teemu> Hey sugardave
Oct 15 17:08:28 <oilsworkn> hey, a wircer
Oct 15 17:08:31 <torchie_pre> how do you add playlists to Music, anyway
Oct 15 17:08:46 <oilsworkn> people still use playlists?
Oct 15 17:09:28 <torchie_pre> :D
Oct 15 17:09:39 <oilsworkn> just go with shuffle
Oct 15 17:10:03 <torchie_pre> didn't want to like
Oct 15 17:10:05 <torchie_pre> use my laptop
Oct 15 17:10:05 <torchie_pre> well actually it's probably better I use my laptop
Oct 15 17:10:07 <torchie_pre> since it doesn't have 3G
Oct 15 17:10:12 <torchie_pre> that's what I usually do
Oct 15 17:10:28 <torchie_pre> but I like having the new hotness arranged on a list
Oct 15 17:10:31 * oilsworkn hasn't built a playlist since like winamp 2
Oct 15 17:10:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 17:11:02 <torchie_pre> I did it in music remix >:O
Oct 15 17:11:49 <torchie_pre> anyway better trash this session before I don't have enough battery for the trip
Oct 15 17:13:10 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: I added the kernel feed, and it's still not showing up, so I'm out of ideas
Oct 15 17:13:32 <oilsworkn> then you added it wrong, cause its there :)
Oct 15 17:14:13 <summatusmentis> hrm, I'll look at it later, I guesss
Oct 15 17:15:00 <summatusmentis> oh, I just didn't update the feeds properly
Oct 15 17:15:54 <sugardave> teemu: hi
Oct 15 17:16:37 <oilsworkn> summatusmentis: ha :)
Oct 15 17:17:23 <teemu> sugardave: I was told you could have something coding to do. As it happens I think my self as a very capable guy and I'm searching something to work on.
Oct 15 17:18:40 <Bmyers> oh
Oct 15 17:18:46 <Bmyers> sugardave: meet teemu
Oct 15 17:18:52 <Bmyers> teemu, sugardave
Oct 15 17:19:00 <teemu> :I
Oct 15 17:19:02 <Bmyers> he was looking for a project to work on
Oct 15 17:19:10 <sugardave> heh, Bmyers is setting you up
Oct 15 17:19:23 <Bmyers> i thought you may want to share the thunder of the tmz project you are working on
Oct 15 17:19:23 <teemu> For what?
Oct 15 17:19:36 <sugardave> teemu: I don't have anything, but if you can solve this problem, you will be a god among men
Oct 15 17:19:45 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 17:19:46 <teemu> aha..
Oct 15 17:19:51 <oilsworkn> for rodtime
Oct 15 17:20:00 * teemu looks at Bmyers
Oct 15 17:20:06 <Bmyers> ;)
Oct 15 17:20:32 <sugardave> teemu: I'm working on a world clock app and it needs to be able to do timezone conversion (plus handle dst properly) for an arbitray list of 6 different timezones/cities
Oct 15 17:20:39 <sugardave> and it needs to work offline
Oct 15 17:20:40 <Bmyers> he'd run from that project like a red-headed step son on the steps of a fire house if he could..
Oct 15 17:20:56 <sugardave> and it needs to not mess up alarms
Oct 15 17:21:08 <sugardave> and all kinds of things that can't be done yet :D
Oct 15 17:21:33 <oilsworkn> yeah, no screwing with alarms
Oct 15 17:21:39 <teemu> hmm.. I've seen you mumbl.. rant about some bugs and such
Oct 15 17:21:44 <sugardave> hehe
Oct 15 17:21:45 <sugardave> yeah
Oct 15 17:22:29 <sugardave> I'm confident they will be fixed at some point
Oct 15 17:22:37 <sugardave> I'M LOOKING AT YOU, PALM
Oct 15 17:22:56 <teemu> You'r own palm.. :O hah hah
Oct 15 17:23:05 <sugardave> hah
Oct 15 17:23:06 * teemu looks at Bmyers 
Oct 15 17:23:22 <Bmyers> well maybe i wasnt quite honest..
Oct 15 17:28:25 <oilsworkn> aww
Oct 15 17:44:00 <oilsworkn> welcome back chuqui
Oct 15 17:47:00 <hotdp> Hello chuqui
Oct 15 17:48:02 <chuqui> howday!
Oct 15 17:49:09 <hotdp> Busy as always?
Oct 15 17:50:16 <haeffb_pre> chuqui: thanks!
Oct 15 17:53:03 <dohtem> http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/phone_germs -- how dirty is your touchscreen?!
Oct 15 17:53:46 <hotdp> haeffb_pre thanks?
Oct 15 17:54:13 <sugardave> chuqui must have gotten haeffb_pre's bribe
Oct 15 17:54:36 <haeffb_pre> chuqui passed on an email for me yesterday
Oct 15 17:55:52 <hotdp> about the dev days?
Oct 15 17:56:32 <oilsworkn> dohtem: 719040
Oct 15 17:56:52 <dohtem> 2.2 million for me :(
Oct 15 17:57:11 <oilsworkn> dang
Oct 15 17:57:56 <haeffb_pre> I just needed to contact someone @ palm and he helped out
Oct 15 17:58:00 <t8> Question about app approval.
Oct 15 17:58:09 <oilsworkn> shoot
Oct 15 17:58:11 <t8> Does it occur around night, for inclusion the next day?
Oct 15 17:58:13 <haeffb_pre> no big deal
Oct 15 17:58:29 <oilsworkn> i dont think they approve over the weekend
Oct 15 17:58:39 <t8> got it
Oct 15 17:59:07 <oilsworkn> i haven't submitted anything in over a year
Oct 15 17:59:09 <t8> in apple's store, we can choose the dates and whatnot
Oct 15 17:59:14 <oilsworkn> but i hear its pretty quick nowadays
Oct 15 17:59:22 <t8> i like how palm just puts it in, without us inputing anything
Oct 15 17:59:23 <t8> yep
Oct 15 17:59:26 <t8> 1.5 days for my first app
Oct 15 17:59:28 <sugardave> 2,202,060
Oct 15 17:59:31 <t8> how long did it normally take?
Oct 15 17:59:40 <oilsworkn> jeez you guys are dirty
Oct 15 17:59:55 <creationix> sugardave: 2 million what?
Oct 15 18:00:00 <sugardave> germs
Oct 15 18:00:02 <sugardave> on my phone
Oct 15 18:00:04 <sugardave> apparently
Oct 15 18:00:05 <t8> i made 3 sales on my first app so far
Oct 15 18:00:05 <creationix> lol
Oct 15 18:00:10 <dohtem> sugardave: we are dirty!!
Oct 15 18:00:12 <t8> which means it will make more than it would with ads
Oct 15 18:00:13 <oilsworkn> so says poll website thing
Oct 15 18:00:31 <oilsworkn> t8: lol
Oct 15 18:00:35 <dohtem> creationix: http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/phone_germs
Oct 15 18:00:38 <oilsworkn> a year ago
Oct 15 18:00:44 <sugardave> I'm sure it's because I said I don't use antibacterial soap
Oct 15 18:00:44 <creationix> my canvas clock demo has 422 downloads
Oct 15 18:00:44 <oilsworkn> i remember waiting a week just to be told my app was rejected
Oct 15 18:00:52 <creationix> dohtem: yeah, I saw that
Oct 15 18:00:52 <oilsworkn> for not having the help scene linked in the help scenes app menu
Oct 15 18:00:58 <t8> oh, yea
Oct 15 18:01:04 <t8> i like to make simple apps
Oct 15 18:01:14 <t8> so i dont have to worry.. although im interested about the soundboard i made. crossing fingers.
Oct 15 18:01:14 <dohtem> oilsworkn: better than Apple... you wait  months and it still in the queue
Oct 15 18:01:18 <t8> well
Oct 15 18:01:19 <creationix> actually antibacterial soap doesn't get you any cleaner, it just breeds more resistent germs
Oct 15 18:01:22 <t8> apple is about 2-2.5 weeks
Oct 15 18:01:23 * oilsworkn never tried with apple
Oct 15 18:01:24 <t8> :-)
Oct 15 18:01:34 <sugardave> creationix: that's why I don't use it
Oct 15 18:01:35 <t8> it always takes 7 days for it to go from waiting to in review...
Oct 15 18:01:43 <dohtem> oilsworkn: Never tried either but I read a few horror stories :)
Oct 15 18:01:43 <sugardave> that's also why I don't get flu shots
Oct 15 18:01:44 <t8> and then another week to week and a half for it to go to approved/rejected.
Oct 15 18:01:57 <creationix> is 422 a lot of downloads for a free app that not's in the catalog?
Oct 15 18:02:04 <t8> probably, for palm
Oct 15 18:02:05 <creationix> it's Web Distribution
Oct 15 18:02:11 * oilsworkn has no clue
Oct 15 18:02:30 <sugardave> creationix: is it just in the web feed and not part of the rss?
Oct 15 18:02:35 <creationix> more than I was expecting, I guess people like simple things
Oct 15 18:02:43 <hotdp> Currently, there are 763,980 germs living on your cell phone
Oct 15 18:02:44 <creationix> sugardave: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.creationix.canvasclock
Oct 15 18:02:53 <oilsworkn> dot game is almost at 300k downloads xD
Oct 15 18:03:04 <creationix> I guess things like preware can see it?
Oct 15 18:03:10 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 15 18:03:15 <sugardave> creationix: right, I mean did you "exclude" it from the feeds when you submitted it?
Oct 15 18:03:17 <swisstomcat> rehi
Oct 15 18:03:22 <t8> most new palm users dont know what preware is
Oct 15 18:03:22 <oilsworkn> preware lists web/beta if they turn it on
Oct 15 18:03:22 <creationix> sugardave: don't think so
Oct 15 18:03:26 <t8> i think the app catalog is the best thing
Oct 15 18:03:36 <sugardave> creationix: how long has it been there?
Oct 15 18:03:38 <oilsworkn> best thing for simple apps
Oct 15 18:03:39 <creationix> oil: but it's off by default right?
Oct 15 18:03:48 <oilsworkn> i think the main catalog feed defaults to off
Oct 15 18:03:54 <oilsworkn> im not sure about web/beta
Oct 15 18:04:02 <oilsworkn> been forever since i had a fresh install of preware, lol
Oct 15 18:04:05 <creationix> sugardave: 09-17-2010
Oct 15 18:04:06 <sugardave> heh
Oct 15 18:04:12 <creationix> mine is pretty fresh
Oct 15 18:04:16 <creationix> I don't think I can see my app
Oct 15 18:04:26 <t8> I made an app for locating a store using the webview UI that loads starbuck's mobile site...
Oct 15 18:04:28 <sugardave> creationix: not bad for what it is, I'd say...I have an app that is only in the beta feeds and it's got around 650
Oct 15 18:04:32 <t8> I am crossing fingers that it doesnt get rejected.
Oct 15 18:04:34 <sugardave> been in there about the same time
Oct 15 18:04:43 <oilsworkn> so you made an app that is basically a bookmark to a website
Oct 15 18:04:43 <t8> I am not sure how the webview UI fits into the guidelines
Oct 15 18:04:48 <dohtem> t8: locating starbucks stores?
Oct 15 18:04:50 <t8> No, it's more than that
Oct 15 18:04:51 <oilsworkn> without the browser controls the browser app has?
Oct 15 18:04:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 18:04:57 <sugardave> t8: webview is a palm widget, therefore...
Oct 15 18:05:04 <t8> Right... So I think it'll be approved
Oct 15 18:05:10 <t8> No, it locates using gps and whatnot BUT
Oct 15 18:05:10 <creationix> sugardave: how did you advertise yours?
Oct 15 18:05:14 <creationix> I used twitter mainly
Oct 15 18:05:14 * oilsworkn writes too mayn apps that are not catalog-able
Oct 15 18:05:16 <t8> starbucks has integreidents, etc. so it may be helpful
Oct 15 18:05:22 <sugardave> creationix: advertise?  what's that?
Oct 15 18:05:33 <t8> precental.net lists the newest apps
Oct 15 18:05:36 <sugardave> creationix: I tweeted about it, and updates....and there's a thread on Precentral
Oct 15 18:05:37 <t8> thats all the advertising you need
Oct 15 18:05:38 <oilsworkn> sugardave: standing on the corner with a big sign
Oct 15 18:06:03 <creationix> when 2.0 comes out I'm going to make all sorts of node.js demos
Oct 15 18:06:07 <creationix> and tweet those like crazy
Oct 15 18:06:13 <sugardave> creationix: good plan :D
Oct 15 18:06:14 <creationix> I have a lot of followers interested in node stuff
Oct 15 18:06:24 <sugardave> all my followers are in this room
Oct 15 18:06:43 <creationix> heck, I'll even write a hotwonode article or two about it
Oct 15 18:06:44 <t8> i want to see this node.js
Oct 15 18:06:54 <creationix> that gets about 1000 unique visitors per day
Oct 15 18:07:02 <sugardave> http://nodejs.org
Oct 15 18:07:19 <creationix> t8: warning, it will suck all free time you ever had
Oct 15 18:07:28 <creationix> there is no sleep
Oct 15 18:07:31 <creationix> that's a blocking operation
Oct 15 18:07:32 <sugardave> that's why I still have it at arm's length right now
Oct 15 18:07:34 <creationix> so it's not allowed
Oct 15 18:07:38 * oilsworkn has no followers
Oct 15 18:07:40 <sugardave> going to have to step up my game
Oct 15 18:07:42 <oilsworkn> probably because i have no twitter
Oct 15 18:07:43 <t8> well
Oct 15 18:07:47 <sugardave> oilsworkn has no tweeting ability
Oct 15 18:07:47 <t8> what can node.js do?
Oct 15 18:07:50 <t8> that webos cant?
Oct 15 18:07:54 <t8> i know it's included..
Oct 15 18:08:02 <swisstomcat> you can write services in node.js
Oct 15 18:08:07 <swisstomcat> node.js is server-side javascript
Oct 15 18:08:10 <sugardave> file i/o is a biggie
Oct 15 18:08:12 <t8> oh, got it
Oct 15 18:08:15 <t8> i wont have to deal with it
Oct 15 18:08:32 <swisstomcat> you can even supply services with your app
Oct 15 18:08:49 <t8> nice
Oct 15 18:09:08 <oilsworkn> mostly because "oil" was taken xD
Oct 15 18:09:13 <t8> Why is getjar important?
Oct 15 18:09:18 <swisstomcat> getjar?
Oct 15 18:09:36 <t8> http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.rovio.angrybirds
Oct 15 18:09:36 <t8> :D
Oct 15 18:09:43 <t8> rovio published angry birds into the main catalog
Oct 15 18:09:46 <t8> that's smart
Oct 15 18:09:50 <t8> getjar has apps from all phones
Oct 15 18:10:20 <swisstomcat> oh .. palm too?
Oct 15 18:10:28 <sugardave> oilsworkn: sugardave was taken, too...I was pretty bummed
Oct 15 18:10:57 <oilsworkn> yeah, i've gone by oil on the internets for like 14 years or so
Oct 15 18:11:02 <oilsworkn> im too lazy to pick a new name
Oct 15 18:11:45 <t8> yep, palm
Oct 15 18:15:23 <haeffb_pre> the_real_oil
Oct 15 18:15:45 <haeffb_pre> oil_but_not_BP
Oct 15 18:17:07 <oilsworkn> yeah, thats not going to work
Oct 15 18:17:36 <hotdp> Good night
Oct 15 18:17:44 <oilsworkn> sleep tight
Oct 15 18:22:45 <t8> is there a way to make something like an image map?
Oct 15 18:22:59 <sugardave> canvas?
Oct 15 18:23:03 <oilsworkn> canvas!
Oct 15 18:23:09 <oilsworkn> xD
Oct 15 18:23:33 <t8> canvas, got it
Oct 15 18:23:52 <dohtem> Canvas! It's not just shoes.
Oct 15 18:24:30 <t8> hopefully it's in ares
Oct 15 18:24:36 <sugardave> heh
Oct 15 18:24:43 <sugardave> just saw a post about that yesterdayt
Oct 15 18:24:45 <sugardave> good luck
Oct 15 18:24:46 <t8> really?
Oct 15 18:24:50 <t8> hard or easy?
Oct 15 18:25:00 <oilsworkn> step1: close ares
Oct 15 18:25:36 <t8> lol
Oct 15 18:25:39 <t8> no way
Oct 15 18:25:42 <t8> it's my drug!!!
Oct 15 18:26:46 <CTLAdvance> except webOS does not fully support canvas
Oct 15 18:26:54 <dohtem> lies
Oct 15 18:27:00 <CTLAdvance> truth baby
Oct 15 18:27:02 * sugardave might try Ares again if it would work on Ubuntu 64-bit reliably.
Oct 15 18:27:11 <dohtem> 10.10?
Oct 15 18:27:21 <sugardave> 10.04
Oct 15 18:27:43 <sugardave> will upgrade to 10.10 next week though so I can try out Amaranth's how-to getting the PDK working
Oct 15 18:27:54 * haeffb_pre is not limited by my choice of OS
Oct 15 18:28:02 <dohtem> lmao
Oct 15 18:28:12 <dohtem> sugardave: you don't dual boot?
Oct 15 18:28:16 <oilsworkn> it supports... uh... parts of it
Oct 15 18:28:16 <sugardave> hell no
Oct 15 18:28:17 * Amaranth is actually using natty already :)
Oct 15 18:28:43 * oilsworkn wonders if 2.0 will fix some stuff
Oct 15 18:29:00 <sugardave> I hope so
Oct 15 18:29:05 <oilsworkn> i mean
Oct 15 18:29:05 * CTLAdvance hopes 2.0 brings canvas support
Oct 15 18:29:06 <sugardave> especially, wait for it
Oct 15 18:29:06 <oilsworkn> with canvas
Oct 15 18:29:07 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 18:29:11 <sugardave> convertDate
Oct 15 18:29:14 <oilsworkn> no
Oct 15 18:29:16 <dohtem> heh
Oct 15 18:29:17 <oilsworkn> they can leave that alone
Oct 15 18:29:17 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 18:29:18 * haeffb_pre is leaving work early to go to the homecoming parade
Oct 15 18:29:38 <oilsworkn> there was one specific method i wished webos supported in canvas
Oct 15 18:29:41 <oilsworkn> but now i can't remember it
Oct 15 18:29:50 <sugardave> I've already "left work" but I'm still in my house
Oct 15 18:29:57 <oilsworkn> the one to get the color of a single pixel
Oct 15 18:29:58 <sugardave> oilsworkn: getImageData?
Oct 15 18:30:01 <oilsworkn> maybe
Oct 15 18:30:16 <oilsworkn> i wanted to make a totally awesome color selection widget for wircs totally awesome preferences
Oct 15 18:30:28 * sugardave will be leaving soon to go get the HD camera and then driving north for the fmaily reunion.
Oct 15 18:30:34 <oilsworkn> but i needed to be able to get the color of a single pixel in rgb
Oct 15 18:30:38 <oilsworkn> which wasnt supported
Oct 15 18:31:14 <oilsworkn> i think it was getImageData
Oct 15 18:31:42 <dohtem> is it acceptable to have just an about blurb in the help menu?
Oct 15 18:31:57 <dohtem> about me, about this app, something like that
Oct 15 18:32:26 <oilsworkn> and links for help
Oct 15 18:32:30 <dohtem> yeah
Oct 15 18:33:18 * sugardave still uses pushAppSupportSceneInfo
Oct 15 18:33:30 <sugardave> or whatever it is called
Oct 15 18:33:35 * oilsworkn uses actual help scene and assistant and all that junk
Oct 15 18:33:46 <dohtem> ?
Oct 15 18:33:47 <sugardave> overachiever
Oct 15 18:33:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 18:33:56 <oilsworkn> i like to be able to control it
Oct 15 18:34:04 <oilsworkn> like in wirc
Oct 15 18:34:19 <oilsworkn> but button which adds a freenode server and connects and joins #wirc
Oct 15 18:34:28 <dohtem> but the scene is static html and empty assistant functions, no?
Oct 15 18:34:36 <oilsworkn> not really
Oct 15 18:34:38 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 18:34:48 <dohtem> maybe one to throw you back to the app on back swipe
Oct 15 18:35:34 <oilsworkn> all my code is on git.webos-internals.org
Oct 15 18:35:38 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 15 18:46:49 <xbonesx> so thinking back to how ubuntu and apt-get works, does the pre have a /var/cache/apt/archive type directory where I stores downloaded ipks
Oct 15 18:48:47 <swisstomcat> i'd ask that in #webos-internals
Oct 15 18:53:39 <creationix> xbonesx: find . -name "*.ipk" from the root
Oct 15 18:53:56 <creationix> or ask the internals people
Oct 15 19:02:05 <sugardave> dammit, the camera I wanted to rent (Sony EX1) is already gone....erg
Oct 15 19:13:17 <SineOtter> Moving from Ares to straight Mojo sure made a few things harder :p
Oct 15 19:13:56 <swisstomcat> that's true
Oct 15 19:14:04 <sugardave> it's okay, you will get used to it :D
Oct 15 19:14:53 <SineOtter> Yeah
Oct 15 19:15:14 <SineOtter> Ares made dealing with the GPS really easy! I'm trying to rewrite everything in straight Mojo and running into some real head scratchers :p
Oct 15 19:16:09 <swisstomcat> yeah, some of the service in ares are really easy to use .. e.g maps
Oct 15 19:16:16 <sugardave> oh man, gps was one of the things I was messing with on my first attempt to learn Mojo....and javascript
Oct 15 19:17:28 <SineOtter> sugardave: yeah, I had it working fine in Ares, since Ares wraps up the GPS stuff into a nice little package :c
Oct 15 19:18:45 <swisstomcat> wait till you get to maps :)
Oct 15 19:18:57 <swisstomcat> took a while to figure that out in mojo
Oct 15 19:19:07 <sugardave> I've never looked at the map stuff
Oct 15 19:19:20 <sugardave> I was just trying to make a geocaching app
Oct 15 19:19:29 <sugardave> that's when I really wished for a hardware compass
Oct 15 19:21:14 <SineOtter> GPS results get returned as like, JSON, don't they? Or am I totally going about this way wrong
Oct 15 19:21:38 <LoneStar99> howdy everyone, long time no communicate
Oct 15 19:21:44 <sugardave> should be returned in a response object from the service request and it should be JSON
Oct 15 19:21:49 <sugardave> hi LoneStar99
Oct 15 19:21:55 <sugardave> SineOtter: so yes :D
Oct 15 19:22:04 <LoneStar99> hello sugardave
Oct 15 19:22:16 <SineOtter> then what in the world am I doing wrong here :x http://webos.pastebin.com/wjNNcUgF
Oct 15 19:23:13 <sugardave> SineOtter: you don't want this.gpsData.errorCode....you want gpsData.errorCode
Oct 15 19:23:29 <sugardave> because gpsData is the name of the argument in your function
Oct 15 19:23:32 <SineOtter> if it's really that simple then I am going to frown so hard
Oct 15 19:23:55 <sugardave> SineOtter: you should be pleased :D
Oct 15 19:24:22 <sugardave> same for this.errorNum
Oct 15 19:24:23 <SineOtter> well yeah, pleased if it now works, not please with trying to figure it out when it was something that simple!
Oct 15 19:24:39 <sugardave> that's going to make a brand new property on your controller, not use the variable that you defined
Oct 15 19:24:49 <sugardave> s/controller/assistant/
Oct 15 19:27:34 <SineOtter> thank you palm-log, this is a real helpful error: "[20101015-12:24:04.949992] error: ErrorGenericMethodException"
Oct 15 19:28:44 <oil> lol
Oct 15 19:28:46 <sugardave> SineOtter: put a try/catch around it and see if there's something better that comes up in the error log
Oct 15 19:29:25 <SineOtter> I would, but there's nothing indicating where in the code that's actually happening :p
Oct 15 19:29:26 <oil> sugardave is so helpful
Oct 15 19:29:59 <sugardave> I try
Oct 15 19:30:07 <sugardave> ... and catch!
Oct 15 19:30:09 <sugardave> :D
Oct 15 19:30:42 <oil> lol
Oct 15 19:32:03 <swisstomcat> hi roy-pre101 and lonestar99
Oct 15 19:32:29 <LoneStar99> howdy swisstomcat
Oct 15 19:32:44 <LoneStar99> i will be on later need to run a few errands
Oct 15 19:33:13 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Howdy.
Oct 15 19:33:19 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: You coming to the dev day? :)
Oct 15 19:33:44 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: sadly, no .. sprout 2 is supposed to hatch on november 18th
Oct 15 19:34:23 <oil> lol
Oct 15 19:34:26 <SineOtter> ahaha ;_; I wrapped all my functions in try/catch to see what fails, and it STILL returns ErrorGernericMethodException
Oct 15 19:36:35 <SineOtter> found it with some heavy injections of "Mojo.Log" but still doesn't make much sense
Oct 15 19:36:42 <oil> does your app even run?
Oct 15 19:37:00 <SineOtter> Yeah, it does
Oct 15 19:37:12 <SineOtter> it'll just stall and never update the GPS stuff
Oct 15 19:40:36 <SineOtter> I think I'm going to just try this on device to see if it can pull a sucess instead of a failure
Oct 15 19:40:54 <oil> oh, well, gps doesn't return anything in the emu afaik
Oct 15 19:41:01 <SineOtter> well then! that'd do it
Oct 15 19:41:23 <SineOtter> because if it doesn't return anything, then of course it'd bitch that it couldn't figure out wtf
Oct 15 19:42:49 <sugardave> you can get gps in the emu
Oct 15 19:42:55 <sugardave> need to turn location services on
Oct 15 19:43:03 <oil> hence "afaik" lol
Oct 15 19:43:05 <sugardave> it's staically set to Sunnyvale
Oct 15 19:43:27 <sugardave> but there's also something you can do to make it read a csv file of coordinates to simulate movement
Oct 15 19:44:20 <creationix> heh, you can even emualate radio events, but it's not easy
Oct 15 19:45:18 <oil> bah, just use the device
Oct 15 19:45:21 <oil> lol
Oct 15 19:45:31 <SineOtter> yeah, I've tried GPS autodrive before, but couldn't get it to do anything
Oct 15 19:45:46 <SineOtter> if it needs location services to get turned on first then :T
Oct 15 19:47:02 <JenP> hi all!
Oct 15 19:47:27 <oil> hey
Oct 15 19:47:29 <dohtem> hola amiga
Oct 15 19:50:14 <SineOtter> I really should doctor my phone :T
Oct 15 19:52:34 <swisstomcat> hey jenp,dohtem
Oct 15 19:52:42 <JenP> hi swisstomcat!
Oct 15 19:52:45 <sugardave> hi JenP
Oct 15 19:53:50 <sugardave> oil: if lumberjack had been around when I was doing the gps crap, you bet I would have only done it on the device ;)
Oct 15 19:53:59 <oil> lol
Oct 15 19:54:02 <JenP> hi sugardave
Oct 15 19:54:03 <oil> yay lumberjack
Oct 15 19:54:11 <sugardave> lumberjack kicks ass
Oct 15 19:54:14 <dohtem> ?
Oct 15 19:54:15 <oil> im going to add palm-worm type graphs to it here eventually
Oct 15 19:54:21 <sugardave> nice
Oct 15 19:54:22 <JenP> lumberjeack? who's that?
Oct 15 19:54:27 <oil> its an app
Oct 15 19:54:35 <JenP> oh? what kind of app?
Oct 15 19:54:41 <sugardave> YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE LUMBERJACK WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Oct 15 19:54:54 <oil> think palm-log
Oct 15 19:54:55 <oil> on-device
Oct 15 19:55:00 <JenP> sniff...don't yell i'm ....uh...sensitive?...yeah that
Oct 15 19:55:15 <CTLAdvance> what is lumberjack?
Oct 15 19:55:17 <dohtem> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Lumberjack -- hmm, who knew
Oct 15 19:55:22 <oil> an app
Oct 15 19:55:27 <dohtem> now I want it!
Oct 15 19:55:35 <oil> its in preware :)
Oct 15 19:55:40 <JenP> oh sweet!
Oct 15 19:55:48 <CTLAdvance> There may be some copyright infringement on that name...
Oct 15 19:55:51 <oil> psh
Oct 15 19:55:51 * CTLAdvance runs off
Oct 15 19:56:02 <dohtem> Paul Bunyan is going to sue oil
Oct 15 19:56:08 <oil> let him try
Oct 15 19:56:09 <sugardave> brawny
Oct 15 19:56:12 * CTLAdvance runs back, looks ok, clode but not enough
Oct 15 19:56:38 <sazwqa> is there any parameters in config that identifes an app/game ?
Oct 15 19:56:51 <sugardave> there used to be
Oct 15 19:56:55 <sugardave> I don't know about now
Oct 15 19:57:09 <sugardave> you mean type?
Oct 15 19:57:10 <JenP> anything else i should dl off preware?
Oct 15 19:57:28 <oil> EVERYTHING
Oct 15 19:57:29 <oil> lol
Oct 15 19:57:33 <sugardave> haha
Oct 15 19:57:39 <sazwqa> type is "web", that i guess relates to publishing type
Oct 15 19:57:52 <oil> web is mojo app
Oct 15 19:57:59 <sugardave> no, that is the type for all mojo apps
Oct 15 19:58:03 <sugardave> what oil said
Oct 15 19:58:19 <sugardave> there used to be a type "game" but I don't think they allow it now?
Oct 15 19:58:20 <sazwqa> ok
Oct 15 19:58:30 <oil> its either game or native
Oct 15 19:58:35 <oil> for sdl apps
Oct 15 19:58:36 <sugardave> ah
Oct 15 19:59:24 <sazwqa> so if it's "web" it's a mojo app, right ?
Oct 15 19:59:31 <sugardave> yep
Oct 15 19:59:54 <sazwqa> thanks
Oct 15 20:00:00 <sugardave> np
Oct 15 20:01:40 <sugardave> everybody have a good weekend, I'm out
Oct 15 20:02:04 * CTLAdvance didnt actually know what lumberjack was for
Oct 15 20:02:12 <CTLAdvance> this looks nice
Oct 15 20:02:16 <oil> hell yeah
Oct 15 20:02:21 <CTLAdvance> im going to have to get this
Oct 15 20:02:46 <SineOtter> how weird. Even on device, GPS capture is failing :C
Oct 15 20:03:18 <CTLAdvance> weird, I thought it was really easy to get gps before
Oct 15 20:03:29 <CTLAdvance> when I was doing it earlier this week
Oct 15 20:03:39 <CTLAdvance> you dont have an airave do you, or femtocell
Oct 15 20:03:45 <CTLAdvance> that screws with it
Oct 15 20:03:57 <halfhalo> fufufufu
Oct 15 20:04:03 <halfhalo> fuzzy bunnies everywhere!
Oct 15 20:05:17 <SineOtter> nope, no airrave, no femtocell. At least not that I know!
Oct 15 20:09:25 * oil is a little sad nobody knew about lumberjack :/
Oct 15 20:09:46 <SineOtter> I knew about it!
Oct 15 20:09:47 <halfhalo> or is it...
Oct 15 20:10:01 <SineOtter> I was trying to use it then realized I had turned logging down on the device :T
Oct 15 20:10:04 <SineOtter> "why is it empty"
Oct 15 20:10:44 <oil> lumberjack sets lunasysmgrjs to debug on start
Oct 15 20:10:58 <oil> unless you've got it all disabled in framework_config
Oct 15 20:11:36 <SineOtter> I had it disabled in ##logs#
Oct 15 20:11:40 <oil> ah
Oct 15 20:11:51 <SineOtter> so even palm-log was returning blank
Oct 15 20:12:01 <oil> well, there is your problem xD
Oct 15 20:12:04 <torchie_pre> sup diggitiea
Oct 15 20:12:09 <torchie_pre> diggity dawgs
Oct 15 20:12:53 * oil goes back to work
Oct 15 20:13:18 <SineOtter> progressssss! now it's telling me in no uncertain terms that I screwed up hardcore, so at least try/catch is working now
Oct 15 20:17:23 <torchie_pre> I think I might like twee better than badkitty
Oct 15 20:19:44 * halfhalo is off in search of that ever elusive 4th G while his phone gets metadoctored.  and is also in search of taco bell, since that has not been eaten in a while
Oct 15 20:20:04 <SineOtter> potatooooo tacosss
Oct 15 20:20:07 <dohtem> taco bell rocks
Oct 15 20:20:24 <dohtem> chicken soft tacos are the best
Oct 15 20:20:32 <halfhalo> thats del taco
Oct 15 20:20:38 <dohtem> LIES!
Oct 15 20:20:43 <dohtem> (ok it is)
Oct 15 20:20:54 <halfhalo> I get the el cheapo bean burritos from taco bell along with a thing of cheap nachos
Oct 15 20:21:06 <halfhalo> del taco is all about a #4 and a del nachos
Oct 15 20:21:28 <dohtem> you might have a taco problem
Oct 15 20:21:43 <SineOtter> pototato tacos + potato burritos :x best things on taco bell's menu
Oct 15 20:21:46 <halfhalo> slightly, yes, but the coke problem is more
Oct 15 20:21:51 <rwhitby> I have just registered for Palm Dev Day NYC.
Oct 15 20:22:04 <dohtem> aren't you in AU?
Oct 15 20:22:08 <rwhitby> yup
Oct 15 20:22:17 <dohtem> you'll be flying down for it?
Oct 15 20:22:22 <rwhitby> yup
Oct 15 20:22:25 <dohtem> just for dev day?
Oct 15 20:22:28 <rwhitby> (up, actually)
Oct 15 20:22:31 <dohtem> wow, congrats
Oct 15 20:22:35 <dohtem> yeah up :)
Oct 15 20:22:53 <dohtem> remember our toilet water spins differently... do not be alarmed
Oct 15 20:23:13 <torchie_pre> hard beef taco
Oct 15 20:23:22 <torchie_pre> is the alpha and omega
Oct 15 20:23:23 <Bmyers> rod, u gonna bunk with Jenp and haeffb at my place?
Oct 15 20:23:51 <dohtem> ooh
Oct 15 20:24:23 <rwhitby> dohtem: I have lived in, and visited the US (and many other countries) many times before :)
Oct 15 20:24:48 <rwhitby> If you want to be alarmed by a toilet, visit Japan or Germany.
Oct 15 20:24:56 <dohtem> rwhitby: heh
Oct 15 20:25:34 <dohtem> man, now I wish I could attend the nyc dev day
Oct 15 20:31:45 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Yay!
Oct 15 20:32:57 <torchie_pre> if only the nyc dev day
Oct 15 20:33:03 <torchie_pre> was in orlando florida
Oct 15 20:38:44 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: congrats .. presenting?
Oct 15 20:44:14 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 15 20:44:39 <rwhitby> Friday
Oct 15 20:45:00 <swisstomcat> topic?
Oct 15 20:46:01 * oilsworkn really wants to go if rwhitby is going
Oct 15 20:46:54 <dohtem> rwhitby: kick oil in the nuts if he shows up
Oct 15 20:46:54 <swisstomcat> wish i could go .. sniff :(
Oct 15 20:47:47 <dohtem> oilsworkn: what say you?
Oct 15 20:47:58 <oilsworkn> to a kick in the nuts?
Oct 15 20:48:01 <oilsworkn> no thanks :)
Oct 15 20:51:34 <JenP> oil: lumberjack is so awesome!
Oct 15 20:51:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 15 20:52:16 <JenP> so will it save the logs even if I close the card?
Oct 15 20:53:11 <dohtem> do assignments like this work in javascript like they do in C++?    a= b = c
Oct 15 20:55:01 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Oct 15 20:55:19 <JenP> night!
Oct 15 20:55:22 <dohtem> adios
Oct 15 20:55:29 <swisstomcat> gute nacht :)
Oct 15 20:55:43 * rwhitby is going to ensure that oilsworkn gets to go to the dev day
Oct 15 21:05:15 <Nyceane> I really wonder how people in sf afford housing
Oct 15 21:05:19 <Nyceane> a studio cost $1975 -_-
Oct 15 21:05:32 <dohtem> I have seen 5 students in a 2 bdr apt
Oct 15 21:06:02 <Nyceane> i can liver in hotel every single day for the rent in sf
Oct 15 21:06:08 <dohtem> Nyceane: live elsewhere in the bay and use BART
Oct 15 21:06:10 <Nyceane> i mean, i literally can live in hilton everyday
Oct 15 21:06:24 <Nyceane> dohtem, if that's the only choice i have, i probably will live in palo alto
Oct 15 21:06:29 <Nyceane> since i'll be working remote anyway
Oct 15 21:10:54 * halfhalo has returned with the taco bell!
Oct 15 21:35:31 <xbonesx> can anyone tell me what the defaul setting is for the 1ghz core voltage?
Oct 15 21:35:36 <xbonesx> default*
Oct 15 23:01:58 <maik> does inspector not workin on 2.0?
Oct 15 23:02:04 <maik> s/workin/work/
Oct 15 23:17:04 <creationix> maik: read the release notes
Oct 15 23:17:12 <maik> you read the release notes!
Oct 15 23:17:28 <creationix> also I don't think we're supposed to discuss 2.0 here
Oct 15 23:17:53 <maik> wtf is wrong with me
Oct 15 23:17:58 * maik fades back into the background
Oct 15 23:26:43 * Tibfib invites all to read the dev forums.
Oct 15 23:30:26 <dohtem> ooh
Oct 15 23:39:31 * rwhitby looks
Oct 15 23:40:03 <dohtem> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/209170/how-much-does-it-cost-to-develop-an-iphone-application/3926493#3926493 -  cost of an iPhone app
Oct 15 23:40:10 <dohtem> building*
Oct 16 00:03:11 <renegaid> Do most of you developers work on android and ios
Oct 16 00:04:27 <techrush> considering this is #webos i'd have to geuss not ?
Oct 16 00:08:57 * oil doesnt
Oct 16 00:27:49 <sazwqa> is com.palm.* reserved in id field inside appinfo.json ?
Oct 16 00:28:37 <sazwqa> I'm working on an existing published project and it's id is: com.palm.app.xxx
Oct 16 00:28:48 <sazwqa> but it won't allow me to publish the app
Oct 16 00:28:55 <sazwqa> it's giving the following error:
Oct 16 00:30:11 <sazwqa> Your developer profile does not permit you to upload com.palm applications. If you would like to upload game applications, please contact Palm.
Oct 16 00:30:32 <sazwqa> is there some issue with the app or with the profile ?
Oct 16 00:30:33 <oil> com.palm isn't allowed in the catalog
Oct 16 00:30:38 <oil> because its on the private bus
Oct 16 00:31:29 <sazwqa> that's what I guessed, but If I change it now then would it be regsitered as a new app ?
Oct 16 00:31:52 <sazwqa> since the API docs says this: The application ID is unique, set once, and cannot be changed after publishing the application.
Oct 16 00:33:04 <Bmyers> devs days is $25?
Oct 16 00:33:10 <sazwqa> it seems the app I'm maintaining was released before such restrictions came
Oct 16 00:33:25 <sazwqa> and the app got released with com.palm.app.xxx ID
Oct 16 00:33:43 <sazwqa> so can I change it now or contact palm about it ?
Oct 16 00:33:55 <Bmyers> oh i'm going for that..
Oct 16 00:34:09 <sazwqa> or did  they always exist ?
Oct 16 00:36:42 <sazwqa> @oil: any ideas ?
Oct 16 00:37:00 <oil> id contact them
Oct 16 00:37:08 <sazwqa> thanks
Oct 16 00:37:18 <oil> i didn't think they were ever letting com.palm.* apps into the catalog
Oct 16 00:38:13 <sazwqa> strange!
Oct 16 00:38:39 <sazwqa> how did the managed to publish this id in first place !
Oct 16 00:38:42 <sazwqa> *they
Oct 16 00:43:22 <rwhitby> Bmyers: yes, $25
Oct 16 00:44:38 <Loudergood> woo there goes my power
Oct 16 00:45:03 <Loudergood> hopefully they're quicker this time...last time it was out for 10 hours or so
Oct 16 00:45:32 <bpadalino> $25 is cheap for the chance at a pre2 device being given away there
Oct 16 00:55:57 <Bmyers> you cant get a slap in the face and a happy meal in SOHO for $25
Oct 16 00:57:08 * rwhitby hopes Palm has good catering
Oct 16 01:37:46 <haeffb> Macon up 56-0 at halftime of homecoming game
Oct 16 01:37:51 * haeffb left early.
Oct 16 01:39:07 <Bmyers> haeffb:  you going or what?
Oct 16 01:40:53 <haeffb> I'm going.
Oct 16 01:43:36 <Bmyers> there is still room at the soho grand for $500 a night
Oct 16 01:44:02 <Bmyers> round trip ticket for me is $35 on metro north
Oct 16 01:44:37 <Loudergood> long drive down to metro north for me, but I think that's what I'm going to do
Oct 16 01:44:49 <Bmyers> where r u Loudergood  ?
Oct 16 01:44:55 <Loudergood> northern VT
Oct 16 01:45:05 <Bmyers> phew, yeah, 4-5 hours?
Oct 16 01:46:18 <Loudergood> been awhile since I've gone farther south than Springfield, MA
Oct 16 01:46:39 <haeffb> Bmyers: I have a room. JenP can have the spare bed.
Oct 16 01:47:10 <JenP> lol...worse time of the year for me to travel. I know for certain my work will not let me
Oct 16 01:47:13 <Bmyers> you got a room down there?
Oct 16 01:47:25 <JenP> so you guys will have to tell me all about it when you get back
Oct 16 01:48:11 <Bmyers> JenP: blah blah blah, get your ass out here
Oct 16 01:48:19 <JenP> hahhaha
Oct 16 01:49:06 <Bmyers> the shoe opportunities alone are worth the trip for you
Oct 16 01:49:21 <JenP> giggles....if only i could
Oct 16 01:49:41 <Bmyers> i have faith in your abilities. you CAN make it happen
Oct 16 01:50:08 <JenP> i'll submit the time off request. We'll see what they say
Oct 16 01:50:22 <JenP> how far is syracouse from it?
Oct 16 01:58:50 <SineOtter> Man. Man do I ever ever feel stupid. I think I figured out my GPS problems!
Oct 16 01:58:58 <SineOtter> I never subscriped to the startTracking :I
Oct 16 02:03:22 <SineOtter> oil: lumberjack is awesome
Oct 16 02:03:27 <oil> :)
Oct 16 02:03:57 <JenP> yes it is!
Oct 16 02:07:11 <SineOtter> Ahahaha ;_; that's what the problem was. That was so, so simple
Oct 16 02:07:22 <SineOtter> I can't believe I never caught that
Oct 16 02:14:04 <JenP> Oil: In lumberJack...The retrieve log---does this retrieve a log lumberjack is making? or a log that happens on the system regardless of lumberjack
Oct 16 02:23:27 <haeffb> Bmyers: yes
Oct 16 02:26:40 <Bmyers> haeffb:  yes from an hour ago you got a room in the city?
Oct 16 02:27:01 <Bmyers> JenP it's a friday and a saturday
Oct 16 02:28:27 <haeffb> Bmyers: I have people...
Oct 16 02:28:35 <Bmyers> i guess
Oct 16 02:29:22 <Bmyers> well hey, c u down there then
Oct 16 02:29:49 <haeffb> Looking forward to it. Are you planning to be there both days?
Oct 16 02:30:24 <Bmyers> sure
Oct 16 02:31:15 <Bmyers> are you staying near the village?
Oct 16 02:34:49 <Bmyers> hmm. need a title... how about Allied Supreme Commander ?
Oct 16 02:49:53 <haeffb> for a business card? perfect.
Oct 16 02:53:51 <halfhalo> Bah, Supreme Overlord is better
Oct 16 02:54:18 <SineOtter> What's it do? :o
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