**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 02:59:57 2010
Oct 18 03:30:28 <FireTime> Hey
Oct 18 03:31:11 <FireTime> Anyone know any info about the webos-internals git version control server?
Oct 18 03:32:44 <bpadalino> you may want to try #webos-internals
Oct 18 03:34:10 <FireTime> thanks
Oct 18 04:07:14 <halfhalo> Lulz about internals git
Oct 18 04:07:38 <dohtem> oil! congrats!
Oct 18 04:10:54 <oil> :)
Oct 18 04:32:28 <alexfner> oil congrats what
Oct 18 04:32:51 <oil> goin to devdays
Oct 18 04:34:35 <sugardave> woo, I just saw that (just got homw an hour ago)
Oct 18 04:35:15 <dohtem> yeah just saw it too
Oct 18 04:41:14 <Bmyers> i guess we need a sugardave DevFund
Oct 18 04:45:05 <sugardave> heh, and the community says "sugar who?"
Oct 18 04:45:40 <halfhalo> Yup
Oct 18 05:19:10 <Bmyers> sugardave:  I think palm should pay your way up there to talk about your contributions to sql development and documentation
Oct 18 07:03:10 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 18 07:06:46 <hotdp> Good morning
Oct 18 07:07:01 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Oct 18 07:07:08 <hotdp> Going to London today :D
Oct 18 07:08:06 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 18 07:08:08 <swisstomcat> it's today?
Oct 18 07:08:14 <hotdp> its tomorrow
Oct 18 07:08:17 <hotdp> morning
Oct 18 07:08:29 <swisstomcat> cool
Oct 18 07:08:30 <hotdp> So i fligh in tonight
Oct 18 07:08:35 <swisstomcat> have fun and say hello to ben from me
Oct 18 07:08:48 <swisstomcat> did you ask him about devices?
Oct 18 07:09:26 <hotdp> No :(
Oct 18 07:09:36 <hotdp> I could no do it..
Oct 18 07:10:40 <hotdp> So i just hope i saw your twitter or something..
Oct 18 07:11:21 <hotdp> *he
Oct 18 07:11:36 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 18 07:11:44 <swisstomcat> not too late to still ask
Oct 18 07:12:00 <swisstomcat> (are you bringing any developer devices to london?)
Oct 18 07:12:32 <hotdp> To he's email ? I fell like... crap when "pushing" for something
Oct 18 07:14:28 <swisstomcat> twitter .. direct message
Oct 18 07:14:40 <swisstomcat> you're not pusing, it's just a question :)
Oct 18 07:14:55 <hotdp> Can he direct respons to that?
Oct 18 07:15:16 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 18 07:15:27 <swisstomcat> if he follows you
Oct 18 07:15:40 <hotdp> hmm i don't think he is..
Oct 18 07:15:54 <swisstomcat> shall i ask him for you?
Oct 18 07:18:35 <hotdp> YES
Oct 18 07:18:39 <hotdp> where waiting for that :D
Oct 18 07:21:15 <swisstomcat> done
Oct 18 07:37:43 <hotdp> thanks
Oct 18 07:37:54 <hotdp> will you write any response to me?
Oct 18 07:42:56 <swisstomcat> will do
Oct 18 07:44:47 <hotdp> Did you read the news about the pre 2 picture?
Oct 18 07:53:06 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 18 07:53:26 <swisstomcat> can't be that long then before it's out .. rumours were november
Oct 18 08:03:24 <hotdp> yer
Oct 18 08:03:41 <hotdp> I think he gets the phone 7-14 days before launch so he can make a correct review
Oct 18 08:04:08 <swisstomcat> yeah, we'll see
Oct 18 08:04:32 <hotdp> yes :)
Oct 18 08:53:25 <swisstomcat> bbl
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 12:30:01 2010
Oct 18 13:09:28 <funkatron> hey fellers
Oct 18 13:09:46 <funkatron> whats the name of the homebrew app that lets you view /var/log/messages easily?
Oct 18 13:09:49 <funkatron> or is there one?
Oct 18 14:02:23 <maruku> hi family
Oct 18 14:02:49 <maruku> is there any c++ guru who could help me out?
Oct 18 14:03:12 <Loudergood> afraid I'm just a rusty noob at C++
Oct 18 14:03:27 <warpdesign__> got some past experience, what's the problem ?
Oct 18 14:03:39 <maruku> I'm noob too... ;)
Oct 18 14:04:22 <Loudergood> I learned it a few years back and haven't really used it since
Oct 18 14:04:33 <maruku> problem is that I've been able to compile and run with xCode IDE but I can't do it by hand
Oct 18 14:04:36 <dohtem> funkatron: lumberjack?
Oct 18 14:04:54 <maruku> Loudergood: that is my problem too
Oct 18 14:05:30 <funkatron> that's it, thanks dohtem
Oct 18 14:05:31 <warpdesign__> what's the error ?
Oct 18 14:06:15 <maruku> well, is not an error is that I dont know how to create the exec file from many compiled files
Oct 18 14:06:37 <maruku> hope u understand me.... as my english is not so good
Oct 18 14:07:18 <Loudergood> you're looking for a command line compiler?
Oct 18 14:07:21 <maruku> after have all the files compiled, how I can create the exec?
Oct 18 14:07:25 <maruku> yep
Oct 18 14:07:51 <Loudergood> or you're looking for a way to package it on the command line?
Oct 18 14:08:09 <maruku> xCode does not compile for device so I must do it in a shell script
Oct 18 14:08:42 <maruku> first I want to compile, create the executable and give it a try without create the package
Oct 18 14:09:43 <maruku> 1 second my child is crying
Oct 18 14:09:53 <l_a_m> hi
Oct 18 14:10:28 <l_a_m> i try to make an HTTP request and i ve got this error :
Oct 18 14:10:37 <l_a_m> Mime not supported: text/x-json
Oct 18 14:14:40 <maruku> back again... she has 18 days and when cries... oh man you can hear it from mile far
Oct 18 14:15:05 <maruku> so, any thoughs about how to create the executable from the sources?
Oct 18 15:04:06 * phil_bw wanders by
Oct 18 15:04:51 <phil_bw> hey are there any OpenGL programmers around?
Oct 18 15:18:21 <sugardave> Bmyers: ha, thanks...you should have saved that for when there were Palm people here :D
Oct 18 15:19:47 <Bmyers> let me know adora shows up, i'll copy/paste it.
Oct 18 15:20:24 <sugardave> she's never on anymore...I saw her name Friday night after I got to my parents', but I don't know if she was active
Oct 18 15:21:11 <sugardave> the only ones I know are lemketron and chuqui
Oct 18 15:21:46 <sugardave> got to go turn in this camera, bbl
Oct 18 15:22:52 <Bmyers> l8r
Oct 18 15:26:25 <t8> i hope webos becomes larger
Oct 18 15:26:34 <t8> i love making apps for it, so much better than android by miles
Oct 18 15:26:41 <summatus1entis> can I do if(path.to.global.with.things.below.this)
Oct 18 15:26:46 <summatus1entis> ?
Oct 18 15:27:03 <summatus1entis> will that do what I think it will? I don't know javascript very well
Oct 18 15:46:56 <haeffb_pre> summatus1entis: not sure what you're asking
Oct 18 15:47:21 <summatus1entis> I have a global with sub-lists, that store information
Oct 18 15:48:03 <summatus1entis> if I put those within an if-statement, will it work as a check for whether or not the sublists contain data?
Oct 18 15:48:13 <summatus1entis> or do variables/lists not work that way in javascript
Oct 18 15:49:55 <haeffb_pre> can you give an example 'global with sub-listsl?
Oct 18 15:58:01 <summatus1entis> x = {};
Oct 18 15:58:10 <summatus1entis> x.y = {};
Oct 18 15:58:35 <summatus1entis> could I say if(x.y) to find out if y has a value?
Oct 18 15:58:51 * halfhalo votes yesish
Oct 18 15:59:46 <haeffb_pre> yes
Oct 18 15:59:48 <summatus1entis> what does yesish mean?
Oct 18 16:00:03 <halfhalo> I think when I tried that the last time I ran into an issue where if it was null it was still running the if statement, but I may also be thinking of node or somesuch
Oct 18 16:00:25 <summatus1entis> so it would ignore the value?
Oct 18 16:01:17 <halfhalo> well, the if is checking to see if the object exists, which it does (even if its null), not whether there is anything in there or not methinks
Oct 18 16:01:52 <summatus1entis> oh, so lists with sub-lists will exist, but return null
Oct 18 16:02:39 <haeffb_pre> if (x.y.length) might work if the first does not
Oct 18 16:02:59 <halfhalo> objects don't have a length though
Oct 18 16:03:11 <haeffb_pre> but I think if (x.y) will work
Oct 18 16:03:22 <haeffb_pre> it's not an object
Oct 18 16:03:39 <summatus1entis> ok. Is something like this a stupid way to do account management?
Oct 18 16:04:03 <haeffb_pre> er, I guess it Could be an object...
Oct 18 16:04:32 <haeffb_pre> summatus1entis: easy enough to test if it work or not...
Oct 18 16:05:08 <summatus1entis> haeffb_pre: I'm not following
Oct 18 16:05:33 <halfhalo> try it and find out
Oct 18 16:05:39 <haeffb_pre> just write a simple test case and see what happens.
Oct 18 16:05:50 <summatusmentis> oh, right, duh
Oct 18 16:05:53 <haeffb_pre> like you did above
Oct 18 16:06:32 <summatusmentis> is there an interactive javascript environment? like a javascript shell?
Oct 18 16:07:06 <haeffb_pre> most browsers have one
Oct 18 16:08:35 <sugardave> summatusmentis: if you do if(x.y) {} and there is NO property y defined for x (or it is null or '' or 0), it will not pass the check...HOWEVER, checking for it will cause an undefined y property to be associated with x, so if you dump x's properties you will see y as undefined/null
Oct 18 16:09:02 <sugardave> after the check, of course
Oct 18 16:10:03 <haeffb_pre> awesome
Oct 18 16:11:14 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: Bmyers reminded me that Palm should fly me up to NY to talk about sql development for webOS :D
Oct 18 16:11:26 <sugardave> so, we'll try that angle
Oct 18 16:16:29 <Bmyers> member:sugardave:  I think palm should pay your way up there to talk about your contributions to sql development and documentation
Oct 18 16:16:50 <Bmyers> it's in my clipboard now
Oct 18 16:16:55 <sugardave> heh, cool
Oct 18 16:17:39 <Bmyers> really tho, i've seen you help I dunno how many ppl with sql stuff and mojo.from.hell.calls
Oct 18 16:18:03 <Bmyers> or is it this.from.hell.calls()
Oct 18 16:18:35 <sugardave> it's the "before sugardave semi-grasped binding super-giant long calls to Mojo directly"
Oct 18 16:18:57 <sugardave> still good for real external js, though :D
Oct 18 16:19:09 <sugardave> like "from the cloud" external js
Oct 18 16:19:23 <Bmyers> like loading a .js from the cloud?
Oct 18 16:19:30 <Bmyers> i gotta do that in my app update
Oct 18 16:20:01 <sugardave> yeah, or sending "directives" from a php response wrapped up in some JSON
Oct 18 16:20:39 <sugardave> I guess if you do a reall include of external .js, you can still use what you're used to
Oct 18 16:21:32 <sugardave> look at the advanced webview example on webo101 to see what I'm talking about
Oct 18 16:21:39 <sugardave> because I"m not explaining it very well :D
Oct 18 16:29:13 <SineOtter> is there something I'm missing as to why the resource monitor got stuck with the name "palm-worm" :p
Oct 18 16:29:37 <sugardave> webos resource monitor?
Oct 18 16:30:21 <SineOtter> *mind explodes*
Oct 18 16:35:11 <sugardave> good morning chuqui
Oct 18 16:35:54 <SineOtter> morning chuqui
Oct 18 16:36:33 <chuqui> morning, all.
Oct 18 16:36:41 <halfhalo> murnin
Oct 18 16:37:01 <t8> mornin
Oct 18 16:37:37 <SineOtter> chuqui: I hear through the grapevine you're the one to ask about PDC questions, yeah?
Oct 18 16:41:35 <t8> he's pdc@
Oct 18 16:44:34 <xbonesx> anyone know of the app that allows you to encrypt a message on one phone, then send it to another pre that knows the password to decrypt? for private messaging?
Oct 18 16:45:49 <sugardave> xbonesx: an existing app on webOS?  Is there one?
Oct 18 16:46:03 <CTLAdvance> There is an app that does basic encryption
Oct 18 16:46:13 <SineOtter> I -think- there is? I remember reading about it but I can't remember what the name was
Oct 18 16:46:14 <CTLAdvance> and decryption based on a code
Oct 18 16:46:40 <xbonesx> yesir, I had it back it the day, was cool cuz it would turn ur message into a bunch of letters and umber and then could be decrypted using a known password on another phone
Oct 18 16:46:49 <sugardave> there are Mojo.format.encrypt/decrypt methods
Oct 18 16:47:06 <sugardave> it's an app and not an API?
Oct 18 16:48:00 <SineOtter> yeah, it's an app. I'd say check out the Precentral app catalog to see if it shows up there
Oct 18 16:49:01 <xbonesx> looking throuh ow
Oct 18 16:49:01 <xbonesx> *now
Oct 18 16:49:19 <xbonesx> I hate my keyboard sometimes, pre doesn't keep up with my typing lol
Oct 18 16:49:34 <SineOtter> heh
Oct 18 16:51:17 <xbonesx> lol
Oct 18 16:53:45 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: re-tweet me!
Oct 18 16:59:24 <haeffb_pre> done
Oct 18 16:59:29 <xbonesx> did they get rid of the patch that allowed you to send vid and mp3 through texts?
Oct 18 16:59:34 <sugardave> thanks!
Oct 18 17:00:32 <SineOtter> chuqui: sent you a PM, dunno if you got it! :o
Oct 18 17:02:36 <xbonesx> that apps is called TXTCrypt, btw
Oct 18 17:02:44 <sugardave> cool
Oct 18 17:02:50 * sugardave will have to check it out.
Oct 18 17:03:04 <sugardave> xbonesx: in the real catalog or just on preware?
Oct 18 17:04:39 <CTLAdvance> sugardave its in teh catalog
Oct 18 17:04:56 <sugardave> thanks
Oct 18 17:05:26 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: thanks for taking down NU
Oct 18 17:06:21 <xbonesx> I have trouble finding a legit script for killin the update deamon... could someone hook me up with a legit url, please and thank you?
Oct 18 17:07:16 <SineOtter> have you found the update daemon?
Oct 18 17:07:21 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: oh man, that was great...I didn't get to watch the game
Oct 18 17:07:31 <SineOtter> why not just chmod -x it
Oct 18 17:07:33 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: now, return the favor against the Sooners this weekend
Oct 18 17:10:15 <xbonesx> I have a linux permissions app I could cange the permissions of it
Oct 18 17:10:21 <haeffb_pre> gameday will be in Columbia
Oct 18 17:10:28 <haeffb_pre> homecoming
Oct 18 17:10:36 <haeffb_pre> should be a good game
Oct 18 17:10:56 <SineOtter> xbonesx: chmod -x would mark it unexecutable, which should in theory keep it from launching at all
Oct 18 17:11:24 <xbonesx> SineOtter: good theory but would it really work?, is there a way to do it and then test?
Oct 18 17:11:58 <SineOtter> don't see why it wouldn't, and you could just mark it -x and try running the update app (which should sit and do nothing foreverrrrrrrrrr)
Oct 18 17:12:50 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: awesome, I didn't look to see if you guys were at home or in Norman.  Might have a shot at home :D
Oct 18 17:13:24 <xbonesx> do you know where the update deamon is located? I have the upstart manager installed and see the update deamon in the list and can kill the service manually that way everytime but that would get annoying
Oct 18 17:13:49 <SineOtter> mmm, no idea
Oct 18 17:14:14 <sugardave> xbonesx: if you know the name of the process, you can 'find' it
Oct 18 17:16:22 <xbonesx> ok il try
Oct 18 17:18:21 <xbonesx> "/usr/bin" sound like the right directory for it?
Oct 18 17:18:27 <sugardave> yep
Oct 18 17:21:05 <SineOtter> I think I scared chuqui off :p
Oct 18 17:21:47 <xbonesx> lol
Oct 18 17:22:25 <haeffb_pre> my battery is getting pretty sucky
Oct 18 17:22:48 <xbonesx> so I should run this in term "chmod -x /usr/bin/UpdateDaemon"
Oct 18 17:23:09 <SineOtter> toss a sudo on it and go for it
Oct 18 17:23:11 <sugardave> xbonesx: maybe :D
Oct 18 17:23:22 <sugardave> this is on the phone?  don't need sudo
Oct 18 17:24:04 <xbonesx> haeffb_pre: Dr. Battery says my battery is at 50% life, full charge is like 592 instead of 1183
Oct 18 17:24:49 <SineOtter> how old is your battery, haeffb_pre?
Oct 18 17:29:41 <xbonesx> sugardave: maybe is going to cut it lol, makes sense but I like to be sure
Oct 18 17:29:42 <xbonesx> isnt*
Oct 18 17:30:04 <sugardave> chmod +x is the opposite
Oct 18 17:30:08 <sugardave> so no harm in trying it
Oct 18 17:30:42 <SineOtter> the other option is just going all out and renaming it to like "UpdateDaemonLOLYeahRight"
Oct 18 17:32:47 <xbonesx> then it won't be ran at all cuz the names incorrect, right?
Oct 18 17:32:48 <xbonesx> anyone have any ideas on whether 2.0 will be an update for old phone or if it will be exclusive to new phones with 1ghz proc.?
Oct 18 17:33:47 <sugardave> xbonesx: I think (more feel) that it will work on the original Sprint Pres.  If not, I'm going to be pretty pissed (especially if Sprint dicks around and doesn't get the new phones like they did with the +)
Oct 18 17:34:08 <xbonesx> true that
Oct 18 17:35:48 <SineOtter> I don't see any reason why it wouldn't run on the old hardware
Oct 18 17:36:33 <SineOtter> there's nothing THAT groundbreaking in what's been discussed with it so far that would totally require a 1ghz processor
Oct 18 17:36:54 <sugardave> it may just be unusably slow :D
Oct 18 17:37:27 <haeffb_pre> about a year old
Oct 18 17:37:50 <haeffb_pre> 73% life
Oct 18 17:38:25 <SineOtter> wow :(
Oct 18 17:38:27 <haeffb_pre> 828mAh
Oct 18 17:38:44 <SineOtter> my battery is getting close to a year old and it's still at about 96%
Oct 18 17:40:18 <haeffb_pre> I blame oil
Oct 18 17:40:42 <haeffb_pre> seriously, wirc has killed my battery
Oct 18 17:40:47 <sugardave> heh
Oct 18 17:41:10 <halfhalo> Or your battery has killed wirc
Oct 18 17:41:41 <SineOtter> that must be why my battery is still so nice, since I can't use wIRC 3.x lol
Oct 18 17:41:46 <halfhalo> Yup
Oct 18 17:42:13 <SineOtter> and THAT is why I'll be pissed if 2.0 won't run on my Pixi, I need my wIRC 3.x!
Oct 18 17:42:56 <halfhalo> Hah
Oct 18 17:44:27 <xbonesx> lol 73 is othing lol, I'm on my way to the sprint store to have my battery swapped hopefully for free, need to doctor my phone other wise they may deny me cuz of hacking
Oct 18 17:47:13 <sugardave> my app catalog is busted
Oct 18 17:47:34 <halfhalo> Orly
Oct 18 17:47:59 <sugardave> yep
Oct 18 17:48:15 <xbonesx> doctoring gets rid of any visible traces of hacks right?
Oct 18 17:48:20 <SineOtter> it should yeah
Oct 18 17:48:24 <SineOtter> it'll look stock
Oct 18 17:48:59 <SineOtter> when I went and got my pixi replaced for having a dead keyboard backlight, the guy working the store had a Pre... and when he saw my Pixi was stock was like "why haven't you installed preware yet" haha
Oct 18 17:49:18 <sugardave> It's a trap!
Oct 18 17:49:27 <halfhalo> Tarp
Oct 18 17:51:44 <xbonesx> lol well it needed a doctor anyways, does doctoring erase all /media/internal info too?
Oct 18 17:52:01 <CTLAdvance> no
Oct 18 17:52:17 <CTLAdvance> You need to do a full erase or dele manually via usb
Oct 18 17:52:21 <torchie> :D
Oct 18 17:52:27 <SineOtter> it used to but they fixed that
Oct 18 17:52:41 <xbonesx> so do a doctor then when it restarts do a full erase from phone or vice versa?
Oct 18 17:52:54 <CTLAdvance> I think they should have added an option
Oct 18 17:53:03 <CTLAdvance> it drives me nuts that it keeps everything
Oct 18 17:53:06 <sugardave> my app catalog is un-busted
Oct 18 17:53:15 <CTLAdvance> you cant really do a compley rewrite of the device
Oct 18 17:53:38 <SineOtter> eh, that's why you just do a full erase, let it finish, then doctor
Oct 18 17:53:40 <xbonesx> so do a full erase then do a docter?
Oct 18 17:53:50 <xbonesx> ok thanks guys laters
Oct 18 17:53:56 <CTLAdvance> Why would I want to do two processes
Oct 18 17:54:04 <CTLAdvance> when I could have just used one doctor
Oct 18 17:54:52 <CTLAdvance> The sad thing is if it was erasing before, then they stopped it, it would have been to easy to add a checkbox that says Check to erase all data from the device
Oct 18 17:54:59 <CTLAdvance> apparently that was to easy for the devs
Oct 18 17:55:00 <SineOtter> because the doctor is built to fix your phone when something gets screwed up, and erasing all of your users photos and stuff when the phone is busted enough that they can't get them off is just asking for some grumpy end users (see: me when I doctored with one of the ones that would wipe /media/internal)
Oct 18 17:55:21 <CTLAdvance> Thats why there should be an option to do it
Oct 18 17:55:31 <CTLAdvance> I agree with what you just said
Oct 18 18:23:31 <swisstomcat> evening
Oct 18 18:23:38 <sugardave> hi swisstomcat
Oct 18 18:23:45 <SineOtter> evening
Oct 18 18:23:45 <swisstomcat> hey sugardave
Oct 18 18:27:37 <haeffb_pre> $L('afternoon');
Oct 18 18:27:42 <maruku> anyone here knows something about rakefiles?
Oct 18 18:30:53 <SineOtter> later everyone
Oct 18 18:31:12 <halfhalo> psh, rakefiles
Oct 18 18:31:29 <codeslaw> nothing other than it being a build system primarily used by rails kids
Oct 18 18:31:47 <halfhalo> meh, its usefull for more than just that
Oct 18 18:32:30 <maruku> I want to use it to build a PDK test
Oct 18 18:32:43 <halfhalo> cool
Oct 18 18:33:03 <maruku> but it is not working as I wanted
Oct 18 18:33:16 <halfhalo> happens
Oct 18 18:33:29 <maruku> or at least I dont know how to do it work
Oct 18 18:34:14 <maruku> I dont know how to tell it to compile and create an exec from a bunch of cpp files
Oct 18 18:35:40 <maruku> I did something, it has started to compile the files but it gave me an error => undefined reference to `main'
Oct 18 18:36:46 <maruku> Palm should include a way to develop PDK apps with Ares
Oct 18 18:36:51 <maruku> that would be awesome
Oct 18 18:36:53 <maruku> hehehe
Oct 18 18:38:12 <xbonesx> so when a docter is done to a pre does it replace all file system directories? replace kernel changes too?
Oct 18 18:40:36 <haeffb_pre> @adora tweet: "I wonder what will happen if I start a #GetOilOnTwitter campaign. /cc @webosinternals"
Oct 18 18:41:11 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 18 18:41:13 <swisstomcat> about time
Oct 18 18:41:20 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: how in the hell do you make it say RT @Adora when you do a retweet?  Mine just auto-posts what they said with no chance for adding/editing
Oct 18 18:41:34 <halfhalo> Magic?
Oct 18 18:41:39 <haeffb_pre> twee
Oct 18 18:41:39 <sugardave> I guess so
Oct 18 18:41:45 <sugardave> hmm
Oct 18 18:42:18 <sugardave> swisstomcat: speaking of re-tweets, re-tweet me :D
Oct 18 18:42:36 <haeffb_pre> "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
Oct 18 18:42:39 <swisstomcat> which tweet?
Oct 18 18:42:59 <sugardave> @palm It seems there are some devs who think I should go to NY to talk about sqlite development in webOS. I'm game if you want me :D #webos
Oct 18 18:43:01 <haeffb_pre> the one from this week..
Oct 18 18:43:11 <halfhalo> I always tell people computers are using FM technology to work
Oct 18 18:43:13 <sugardave> yeah, I don't tweet a lot
Oct 18 18:44:15 <haeffb_pre> sugardave is starting a low-key "get sugardave to dev day" campaign
Oct 18 18:44:35 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 18 18:44:42 <swisstomcat> I just applied .. i'm willing to relocate :) Developer Relations Engineer at Palm - San Francisco Bay Area http://bit.ly/9y88Kq @palm
Oct 18 18:44:43 <sugardave> I'm subtle like that :)
Oct 18 18:45:02 <halfhalo> nice swisstomcat
Oct 18 18:45:19 <Nyceane> hey, anybody ever use whislter laser/rador detector for cops?
Oct 18 18:45:34 <sugardave> swisstomcat: sweet gig
Oct 18 18:45:56 <swisstomcat> i heard the san francisco bay area is a nice place :)
Oct 18 18:46:14 * halfhalo has some radar dectector in his car that is NOT a crap cobra
Oct 18 18:46:14 <sugardave> good luck, that would be a cool job, I think
Oct 18 18:46:18 <Nyceane> swiss, good luck
Oct 18 18:46:21 <Nyceane> i m moving to sf too =)
Oct 18 18:46:29 <swisstomcat> thanks everyone :)
Oct 18 18:46:44 <swisstomcat> shall we start a #hireswisstomcat tweetfest next?
Oct 18 18:47:03 * halfhalo is in
Oct 18 18:47:16 <haeffb_pre> you betcha!
Oct 18 18:47:17 <Nyceane> only if a random winner gets a free palm tablet =)
Oct 18 18:47:21 <sugardave> haha
Oct 18 18:47:37 <Nyceane> i was at the best buy and i actually saw hp's android tablet controlling their printers
Oct 18 18:47:41 <Nyceane> we know where that's going next =)
Oct 18 18:49:17 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: done!
Oct 18 18:49:24 <swisstomcat> heh
Oct 18 18:49:46 <swisstomcat> hashtag is missing :)
Oct 18 18:50:05 <sugardave> doh
Oct 18 18:50:11 <sugardave> I already re-tweeted that one
Oct 18 18:51:58 <haeffb_pre> better...?
Oct 18 18:52:21 <haeffb_pre> short, sweet, retweetable
Oct 18 18:52:41 <CTLAdvance> Anyone have a good web host you can recommend
Oct 18 18:52:53 <swisstomcat> hehe
Oct 18 18:53:03 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: shared hosting?
Oct 18 18:53:05 * halfhalo uses webbynode
Oct 18 18:54:11 <CTLAdvance> Yeah most likely
Oct 18 18:54:48 * haeffb_pre uses justhost, but my needs are simple
Oct 18 18:55:49 * halfhalo uses webbynode since its 10 a vps
Oct 18 18:56:33 <CTLAdvance> oh wow USD 10? for a Virtual Private Server?
Oct 18 18:56:45 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 18 18:57:17 <CTLAdvance> Are you running a linux server or Windows Server
Oct 18 18:57:21 <halfhalo> linux
Oct 18 18:57:26 <halfhalo> ubuntu 10.04
Oct 18 19:02:28 <CTLAdvance> Wow Just host is really cheap, haeffb_pre how is their performance?
Oct 18 19:03:33 <haeffb_pre> uptime has been good. response time is slowish ~ 0.5 sec
Oct 18 19:03:51 <haeffb_pre> but they are cheap
Oct 18 19:04:51 <CTLAdvance> yeah, speeds are a concern for me but for 4 bucks, not sure.
Oct 18 19:05:19 <CTLAdvance> sugardave, did you have a recommendation?
Oct 18 19:05:22 * halfhalo prefers a vps since he has more stuff running on it like node and rails stuffs
Oct 18 19:05:48 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: mine is shared hosting with unlimited blahblahblah, it's bluehost
Oct 18 19:05:59 <sugardave> I think around $8/month if you pay for a year
Oct 18 19:06:32 <CTLAdvance> Hows your bandwidth seem?
Oct 18 19:06:41 <sugardave> I haven't done a whole lot of performance testing, but it seems to respond well
Oct 18 19:07:21 <sugardave> I basically found the cheapest one at the time for the features and haven't switched :D
Oct 18 19:07:31 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 18 19:07:44 * halfhalo went from lunarpages to linode to webbynode
Oct 18 19:12:28 <haeffb_pre> monitor.us gives ne a weekly perf summary
Oct 18 19:13:02 <haeffb_pre> justhost is usually around 500ms, google.com is 50ms benchmark
Oct 18 19:13:28 <haeffb_pre> have another site hosted by yahoo - 200ms
Oct 18 19:17:15 <CTLAdvance> How is the database functionality on your hosts?
Oct 18 19:17:24 <swisstomcat> sugardave: http://www.javascriptkata.com/2010/10/14/auto-detect-timezones-time-zone-offsets-and-daylight-saving-in-javascript/
Oct 18 19:22:36 <CTLAdvance> Wow
Oct 18 19:22:57 <CTLAdvance> actually godaddy.com is cheaper than it used to be...
Oct 18 19:25:44 <dohtem> do they host as well?
Oct 18 19:25:52 <dohtem> I only know them as a registrar
Oct 18 19:26:07 <sugardave> swisstomcat: ah, I will check that out
Oct 18 19:27:28 <CTLAdvance> Yeah, godaddy was big on hosting
Oct 18 19:27:35 <CTLAdvance> for as long as I can remember
Oct 18 19:27:43 <CTLAdvance> But, they used to be really expensive
Oct 18 19:28:25 <CTLAdvance> Now I can get basic hosting on for 3.99/Mo
Oct 18 19:28:43 <CTLAdvance> The only thing is they do limit space unlike the rest
Oct 18 19:29:17 <CTLAdvance> Except for 7.99 its unlimited
Oct 18 19:29:20 <CTLAdvance> bandwidth and access times on godaddy were really fast years ago... so hrm
Oct 18 19:37:14 <oil> o great, peer pressure: http://twitter.com/search?q=%23GetOilOnTwitter
Oct 18 19:37:25 <sugardave> haha
Oct 18 19:37:36 <swisstomcat> twitter is awesome
Oct 18 19:38:18 <swisstomcat> i started a few months ago, now i have >1600 tweets, 216 followers and i'm listed 27 times :)
Oct 18 19:38:22 <sugardave> if we put enough pressure on oil, he might combust
Oct 18 19:38:54 * oil was taught not to succumb to peer pressure
Oct 18 19:38:55 <oil> xD
Oct 18 19:39:16 <oil> besides oil is taken
Oct 18 19:39:38 <oil> so is oioil
Oct 18 19:39:40 <oil> so is oi1
Oct 18 19:39:45 <swisstomcat> theoil
Oct 18 19:39:53 <oil> DontBlameOil
Oct 18 19:39:53 <swisstomcat> notbpoil
Oct 18 19:39:55 <sugardave> theoneandonlyoil
Oct 18 19:40:03 <swisstomcat> DontBlameOil is awesome!
Oct 18 19:40:09 <oil> lol
Oct 18 19:40:09 <sugardave> yes
Oct 18 19:40:10 <sugardave> win
Oct 18 19:40:32 <oil> but then halfhalo would lock down BlameOil and start spoofing my tweets
Oct 18 19:40:41 <sugardave> get both first
Oct 18 19:40:50 <sugardave> hurry
Oct 18 19:41:02 <oil> bah
Oct 18 19:44:51 * CTLAdvance blames Oil for the twitter account Oil already being taken
Oct 18 20:19:23 <HattCzech_work> oil: how did you manage your trip to ny?
Oct 18 20:19:26 <HattCzech_work> LUCKY!
Oct 18 20:20:39 <halfhalo> What now about me blacking oil
Oct 18 20:20:55 <halfhalo> Arg swype
Oct 18 20:21:27 <HattCzech_work> swype? on webos?
Oct 18 20:21:31 <HattCzech_work> i'm so confused
Oct 18 20:24:11 <halfhalo> Even with one bar only
Oct 18 20:24:40 <halfhalo> But very temperamental
Oct 18 20:26:21 <haeffb_pre> halfhalo is a defector to android
Oct 18 20:27:48 <halfhalo> yeah, but only for a while
Oct 18 20:28:19 <halfhalo> basically the epic can make calls at my house vs the pre with can't
Oct 18 20:28:31 <swisstomcat> goodn8 everyone
Oct 18 20:28:36 <halfhalo> night
Oct 18 20:29:01 <swisstomcat> i'll keep you all updated regarding #hireswisstomcat :)
Oct 18 20:36:40 <iWinRar> oil my stuff still isnt here, hopefully tomorrow and then ill letcha know if they work with the wall charger
Oct 18 20:37:34 <haeffb_pre> so how do you like the epic. aside from the beeping?
Oct 18 20:37:47 <halfhalo> not fond of android
Oct 18 20:37:58 <halfhalo> hardware is great, android not so much for me
Oct 18 20:41:17 <summatusmentis> I liked Android when I came to it from my centro, but I like WebOS so much better
Oct 18 20:45:17 * Tibfib wants to go to dev days
Oct 18 20:46:22 * HattCzech_work does too
Oct 18 20:46:53 * HattCzech_work can't afford a $350 ticket and no airlines have available points redemption (in the range they should)
Oct 18 20:50:07 <Loudergood> it's going to be a long saturday for me
Oct 18 20:51:14 <Loudergood> 4 hour drive down to New Haven to catch a morning train in
Oct 18 20:51:27 * Tibfib hopes to go with his bro in law
Oct 18 20:56:09 <bmidgley_> woo, I get to go too
Oct 18 20:56:31 <haeffb_pre> oilsworkn would be a good twitter name. just sayin'
Oct 18 20:56:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 18 20:57:09 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 18 20:57:21 <haeffb_pre> #GetOilOnTwitter
Oct 18 21:00:06 <oilsworkn> webchat turns that into a link to join a channel
Oct 18 21:00:14 <halfhalo> Lol
Oct 18 21:00:38 <Tibfib> heh
Oct 18 21:03:22 <maik> funny that LimeChat doesn't underline it, but if you right click on it it gives you a context menu to join channel
Oct 18 21:03:41 <maik> and i can create a new to-do from it containing the selected text as a note
Oct 18 21:03:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 18 21:04:33 <maik> is there a good tutorial on mojo storage?
Oct 18 21:04:49 <oilsworkn> like, cookies/sqlite/depot?
Oct 18 21:05:05 <Tibfib> there's good stuff on webos101.com
Oct 18 21:05:13 <maik> yar
Oct 18 21:05:19 <SineOt> yeah, webos101 has some really nice tuts on it
Oct 18 21:05:20 * oilsworkn was gonna lmgtfy it, but yeah, that link works :)
Oct 18 21:05:28 <maik> k
Oct 18 21:06:11 <maik> now is Depot the interface to sqlite or is it something different?
Oct 18 21:06:28 <oilsworkn> it is just a wrapper, yeah
Oct 18 21:06:44 <SineOt> I kind of want to punch whoever came up with ltmgtfy :C
Oct 18 21:06:47 <maik> and is it...future-proof?  if you get my drift
Oct 18 21:06:54 <oilsworkn> i want to give them a big hug
Oct 18 21:06:56 <maik> SineOt: i use it all the time, but i still ask stupid questions :D
Oct 18 21:07:00 <oilsworkn> maik: idk
Oct 18 21:08:47 <Tibfib> maik: sqlite works ...well
Oct 18 21:09:05 <maik> k
Oct 18 21:10:23 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 18 21:10:41 <oilsworkn> what, _
Oct 18 21:11:04 <oilsworkn> just MAKE VERY VERY SURE your structure is not going to change
Oct 18 21:11:08 <oilsworkn> because thats a nightmade
Oct 18 21:11:12 <oilsworkn> nightmare*
Oct 18 21:11:15 <maik> oh yes, i know that
Oct 18 21:12:48 <Tibfib> bah, who cares if your users lose data.
Oct 18 21:13:01 <oilsworkn> ... your users?
Oct 18 21:13:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 18 21:13:18 <oilsworkn> that or you're version checking and running alter queries
Oct 18 21:13:21 <Tibfib> oil: good point
Oct 18 21:31:27 * rwhitby wonders what a HiRes Wiss Tomcat is ...
Oct 18 21:31:28 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: woo, congrats!
Oct 18 21:32:01 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 18 21:32:20 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre: You presenting?
Oct 18 21:32:45 <sugardave> lightning round
Oct 18 21:33:11 <Tibfib> nice
Oct 18 21:33:40 <Tibfib> haeffb_pre: congrats!
Oct 18 21:45:30 <torchie> k
Oct 18 22:08:41 <uho> Hey guys, I'm in touch with a few people at Palm and told them I would send them any comments about their documentation. Do you have anything specific you'd like to mention?
Oct 18 22:08:56 <SineOt> Ares
Oct 18 22:09:34 <uho> haha, they know Ares sucks, said they were working on it
Oct 18 22:10:42 <SineOt> Ares itself is fine, it's just that the documentation kind of... Leaves a lot of stuff off :p
Oct 18 22:14:36 <Tibfib> webos101.com has lots of good stuff palm doesnt.
Oct 18 22:14:50 <oilsworkn> it does
Oct 18 22:15:29 <Tibfib> uho: tell palm to adopt a wiki style documentation system so we developers can help them with their poor documentation
Oct 18 22:16:11 <Tibfib> Please? :)
Oct 18 22:16:28 <SineOt> Stuff in Ares that needs documentation: Picture. "A picture" doesn't help! Status Indicator. "A status indicator" doesn't tell you how to go about changing it.
Oct 18 22:16:46 <SineOt> Most everything else can get figured out by comparing against the Mojo docs, but those two are as far as I can tell Ares only.
Oct 18 22:17:08 <Nyceane> nokia will die man
Oct 18 22:17:30 <Tibfib> Nyceane: did you win that obama contest?
Oct 18 22:17:32 <oilsworkn> status indicator == spinner?
Oct 18 22:18:19 <Nyceane> Tibfib, nope =(
Oct 18 22:18:26 <Nyceane> duno how, but I didnt win =(
Oct 18 22:18:28 <Tibfib> Nyceane: aww, that sucks. Get an honorable mention?
Oct 18 22:18:42 <SineOt> oilsworkn: no, it's the like "green" "half green" IM status indicator, not the spinners
Oct 18 22:19:00 <Nyceane> nope =_=
Oct 18 22:19:12 <Nyceane> the app obviously was a lot more polished than the honorable mention
Oct 18 22:19:17 <Nyceane> I duno how, but whatever
Oct 18 22:19:30 <Tibfib> Nyceane: that sucks. better luck next time, eh?
Oct 18 22:19:38 <Nyceane> yah heh, at least i tried
Oct 18 22:19:45 <oilsworkn> ahh
Oct 18 22:21:05 <uho> yea I like webos101.com a lot more than the palms doc lol
Oct 18 22:21:06 <oilsworkn> you know, ive never seen another app use the im status icons same as the messaging app
Oct 18 22:21:14 <uho> Tibfib: that's a good idea, I'll pass it along
Oct 18 22:21:28 <oilsworkn> uho: im sure they've heard it before :)
Oct 18 22:21:37 <Tibfib> uho: PLEASE do. I've told them before.
Oct 18 22:21:42 <uho> I'm sure they have, wouldn't hurt to suggest it again though haha
Oct 18 22:21:44 <Tibfib> lots of others have too.
Oct 18 22:21:56 <SineOt> I've seen them used for GPS accuracy (which works pretty well)
Oct 18 22:21:57 <Tibfib> yeah :)
Oct 18 22:22:21 <Nyceane> hey, does anybody know anything about meego?
Oct 18 22:22:24 <Nyceane> the nokia platform?
Oct 18 22:22:29 <oilsworkn> at least
Oct 18 22:22:32 <SineOt> It's Intel/Nokia!
Oct 18 22:22:41 <SineOt> I've used it before
Oct 18 22:22:41 <Nyceane> I still dont understand how they work
Oct 18 22:22:44 <oilsworkn> we can all agree that palms change from "image-text" to actual text for function names in the docs
Oct 18 22:22:47 <oilsworkn> was a GOOD CHANGE
Oct 18 22:22:52 <Nyceane> they have symbian, meego, maemeo, qt
Oct 18 22:23:00 <oilsworkn> you can actually, you know, copy/paste it now :)
Oct 18 22:23:03 <Nyceane> its like... WTF...
Oct 18 22:23:10 <SineOt> Maemeo is getting dropped for Meego, and Meego uses QT
Oct 18 22:23:11 <Nyceane> Which one am i making? lol
Oct 18 22:23:16 <SineOt> Symbian just kind of sucks so
Oct 18 22:23:23 <oilsworkn> webos4ever!
Oct 18 22:23:43 <Nyceane> i dont know if its symbian, because QT is c++
Oct 18 22:24:01 <Nyceane> and its been an hour, i can't even put an image view on m form
Oct 18 22:24:03 <SineOt> "it has the biggest user base of any smart phone!" yeah cool congrats and it only just now caught up with smart phones with the N8 and symbian^3 only like 5 years too late
Oct 18 22:24:24 <torchie> does meego have a good phone interface yet
Oct 18 22:24:28 <Nyceane> I dont know anybody using it personally
Oct 18 22:24:34 <uho> okay, I'm going to write up some comments. Highlight me if you want to mention anything more.
Oct 18 22:24:35 <Nyceane> so I really dont know where the claim is from
Oct 18 22:24:42 <SineOt> torchie: yeah, it does
Oct 18 22:24:56 <SineOt> Nyceane: the number of phones total running Symbian
Oct 18 22:25:10 <SineOt> except that Symbian runs on a ton of devices some of which I'd hesitate to call even dumb phones
Oct 18 22:25:24 <torchie> maybe the problem with symbian is that it runs on too many devices
Oct 18 22:25:35 <Nyceane> I duno, I'd actually develop it if they give me a friendlier sdk
Oct 18 22:25:59 <Nyceane> I can't even put a freaking image on ti
Oct 18 22:26:10 <torchie> it's more caught up in fragmentation than android and more caught up in legacy support than winmo 6
Oct 18 22:26:16 <SineOt> yeah. Symbian runs on like 50+ phones in 11 different varieties!
Oct 18 22:26:29 <torchie> and apparently apps from like
Oct 18 22:26:30 <torchie> 2001
Oct 18 22:26:32 <torchie> still work
Oct 18 22:26:46 <Nyceane> I duno, I think they should just die already lol
Oct 18 22:26:59 <Nyceane> WebOS needs to be on more devices like android
Oct 18 22:27:06 <Nyceane> apple's model can not be copied by others
Oct 18 22:27:18 <SineOt> Meego looks nice and it's nice to know that even if Nokia screws it up, they're only going to screw up the phone side of it all
Oct 18 22:27:23 <torchie> oh hell no
Oct 18 22:27:25 <SineOt> Intel's half (the netbook side) is nice
Oct 18 22:27:43 <Nyceane> SineOt, what is meego, and what is QT, and what is maemeo?
Oct 18 22:27:47 <Nyceane> why are there so many names?
Oct 18 22:27:55 <torchie> we don't need every operating system to be whored out and incompatible with everything it runs on
Oct 18 22:27:55 <SineOt> why? because Nokia!
Oct 18 22:27:59 <Nyceane> it gets very confusing, if i want to make an app on a phone, what do i do? lol
Oct 18 22:28:23 <SineOt> Maemeo was Nokia's attempt at a Symbian replacement that runs Linux, didn't really go anywhere, I think two devices total used it, N800 and N900
Oct 18 22:28:25 <Nyceane> i have qt sdk, am i making meego app or maemeo apps?
Oct 18 22:28:42 <torchie> poo
Oct 18 22:28:44 <torchie> reserve power
Oct 18 22:28:49 <SineOt> Intel was working on another OS called Moblin based on Linux and somewhere along the line the two met up and said "let's make our OS's have babies"
Oct 18 22:28:58 <SineOt> And Moblin combined with Maemo to create Meego
Oct 18 22:29:40 <SineOt> and QT is just a UI framework as far as I know that runs on a lot of things from OSX to Windows to Symbian
Oct 18 22:30:37 <Nyceane> so if i want to make an app for meego, what do i do?
Oct 18 22:31:09 <SineOt> well, at this point in the game? I'd say uh, wait
Oct 18 22:31:11 <rwhitby> ask in #meego ?
Oct 18 22:31:19 <SineOt> since right now there's like two phones that can actually run Meego
Oct 18 22:31:39 <SineOt> one of which is discontinued and the other which costs like 1,200$+ and has zero carrier support and probably never will
Oct 18 22:32:01 <rwhitby> "apple's model can not be copied by others" - what sort of statement is that?
Oct 18 22:32:31 <SineOt> saying that "one phone, one os, all controlled" is hard to emulate... I think
Oct 18 22:32:32 <Nyceane> rwhitby, name one other company that copied apple's model and succeeded
Oct 18 22:33:08 <rwhitby> "past results are not a guarantee of future returns"
Oct 18 22:33:08 <Nyceane> apple becomes more like a cult for some reason, it's fanbase are huge and they are loyal
Oct 18 22:33:43 <rwhitby> anything any company can do can be replicated by another company, given enough resources.
Oct 18 22:34:03 <Nyceane> rwhitby, i never said anything about future returns, i am simply saying their business model is not something that people can copy, users who become loyal followers and willing to pour money whenever something new comes out
Oct 18 22:34:10 <oilsworkn> and turtlenexks
Oct 18 22:34:32 <rwhitby> "their business model is not something that people can copy" ? - sure it can be copied
Oct 18 22:35:03 <Nyceane> hmm, will you succeed, will your investors get their money back
Oct 18 22:35:05 <rwhitby> there's nothing magical about apple, irrespective of what it seems you have drunk from the apple cool-aid fountain
Oct 18 22:35:24 <Nyceane> rwhitby, i am not even using apple products
Oct 18 22:35:29 <oilsworkn> ill never get over this one guy who was all talking up his iphone like it was great, then he looks at me, and im sitting there playing supermarioworld in an emulator and the "awwwwww" he let out was priceless
Oct 18 22:35:38 <Nyceane> i am simply saying this from a 3rd party perspective
Oct 18 22:35:57 <rwhitby> Nyceane: you need to widen your perspective then
Oct 18 22:36:27 <Nyceane> I have lol, and watching these apple fan boys go upgrade their phone when iphone 4 comes out
Oct 18 22:36:30 <oilsworkn> apples "control everything" way of doing things was one of the reasons i went palm
Oct 18 22:36:35 <Nyceane> spill their hard earned money on apple products
Oct 18 22:36:47 <Nyceane> I think its dumb, but people do it...
Oct 18 22:39:11 <Nyceane> and if I accept AT&T's term, I'd feel like I am selling my soul... but apple fans don't, they feel more than welcome to sell their souls -_-
Oct 18 22:39:56 <maik> do i need to worry about security of information when using sqlite?  is it plain text?
Oct 18 22:40:11 <Bmyers> who needs a soul? You ever use yours for anything?
Oct 18 22:40:23 <Nyceane> yah, it saves me money
Oct 18 22:40:29 <Bmyers> it's like a gaul bladder...
Oct 18 22:40:37 <Bmyers> you'll never miss it
Oct 18 22:40:41 <rwhitby> maik: anything you store on the phone that is not encrypted is open to scrutiny
Oct 18 22:40:47 <oilsworkn> or maybe he is ginger and never had one to begin with
Oct 18 22:40:50 <Nyceane> i pay $50 a month for my cell phone from verizon
Oct 18 22:41:08 <maik> argh, that certainly puts a damper on things
Oct 18 22:41:21 <maik> i'll need to store credit card information :/
Oct 18 22:41:27 <oilsworkn> ohh
Oct 18 22:41:36 <oilsworkn> sounds.... risky
Oct 18 22:41:37 <halfhalo> do it in binary.  No one will ever know
Oct 18 22:41:43 <maik> ...
Oct 18 22:41:46 <Tibfib> I will know,
Oct 18 22:42:10 <maik> oilsworkn: it is, and is why i was hoping there was some magical answer to "how do i store shit on the phone and make sure it's secure"
Oct 18 22:42:24 <rwhitby> I cannot believe you are even considering storing credit card information on a phone, even encrypted.
Oct 18 22:42:37 * halfhalo votes cloud service
Oct 18 22:42:44 <maik> rwhitby: having the user enter it every single time is not conducive
Oct 18 22:42:58 <maik> hah, "put in your information and it will be secured in the cloud!"
Oct 18 22:43:04 <rwhitby> maik: having your app blamed for my bank account being drained is less conducive.
Oct 18 22:43:21 <oilsworkn> not that the cloud is any safer
Oct 18 22:43:28 <maik> rwhitby: storing your credit card information on your phone is risky in itself
Oct 18 22:43:42 <rwhitby> maik: right.  that's why not even Palm does that.
Oct 18 22:43:48 <maik> which makes sense
Oct 18 22:43:57 <rwhitby> so why would you even consider it
Oct 18 22:44:12 <maik> unfortunately the app will be used for depositing money on a 3rd party account and there's no other way to store the card info
Oct 18 22:44:16 <maik> rwhitby: because i like a challenge
Oct 18 22:44:37 <rwhitby> maik: or lawsuits
Oct 18 22:44:52 <maik> rwhitby: disclaimers are a girl's best friend
Oct 18 22:45:03 <Tibfib> maik: give user option to store it.
Oct 18 22:45:47 <rwhitby> maik: as long as the disclaimer says "this app stores your credit card information on the phone, where it can be easily retrieved by any other application.
Oct 18 22:46:01 <maik> were i a lazy man, i would go that route
Oct 18 22:46:21 <rwhitby> I can't even believe your arguing this point.
Oct 18 22:46:32 * oilsworkn is going to make "wallpaper app" which targets maiks app
Oct 18 22:46:32 <rwhitby> s/your/you're/
Oct 18 22:46:37 <maik> i don't believe i am arguing
Oct 18 22:46:39 <maik> hah
Oct 18 22:46:40 <SineOt> why do you need to store it?
Oct 18 22:46:43 * halfhalo will help oil
Oct 18 22:46:58 <maik> SineOt: i don't need to, but it would be nice so people don't have to keep putting their info again.  it's a convenience thing
Oct 18 22:46:58 <Tibfib> because it's a pain in teh butt to have a user input info everytime
Oct 18 22:47:11 <SineOt> well I mean rather worded that poorly
Oct 18 22:47:14 <SineOt> why do you need it at all
Oct 18 22:47:23 <SineOt> is it for like in app purchases
Oct 18 22:47:29 <torchie> ehy guys
Oct 18 22:47:30 <maik> i suppose i could just store the non-critical info and make them verify the card number and CVV
Oct 18 22:47:32 <torchie> butts
Oct 18 22:47:35 <torchie> (tee hee)
Oct 18 22:47:36 <maik> you're a torch!
Oct 18 22:47:39 <Tibfib> maik: paypal.
Oct 18 22:47:40 <torchie> !
Oct 18 22:47:44 <maik> bucket :(
Oct 18 22:48:03 <maik> Tibfib: can't, it's not my service and it doesn't interface with anything nice like that
Oct 18 22:48:06 <SineOt> oh, torchie: meego handset http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots
Oct 18 22:48:34 <rwhitby> "non-critical info" - heh
Oct 18 22:48:51 <halfhalo> like ssn, birth date, mothers maiden name...
Oct 18 22:48:52 <torchie> I hope the apps screen and icons don't really look like that
Oct 18 22:48:57 <maik> exactly :)
Oct 18 22:49:05 <Tibfib> SineOt: looks like webOS and android had an ugly baby.
Oct 18 22:49:10 <torchie> everything else looks kinda decent
Oct 18 22:49:20 <torchie> except for the webos ripoffery of course
Oct 18 22:49:21 <Nyceane> Tibfib, lol
Oct 18 22:49:29 <maik> i suppose i _could_ store it off to my server that way it's not on the phone
Oct 18 22:49:32 <maik> that should make people feel very secure
Oct 18 22:49:33 <SineOt> I'm sure it'll change as time goes by since this is from like, the -very- first way
Oct 18 22:49:37 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 18 22:49:37 <oilsworkn> "
Oct 18 22:49:42 <Nyceane> I am really surprised at their develoeprs
Oct 18 22:49:45 <SineOt> maik: what country are you in?
Oct 18 22:49:47 <torchie> looks more minimal than android
Oct 18 22:49:50 <maik> SineOt: USA
Oct 18 22:49:55 <maik> i'm also being very sarcastic
Oct 18 22:49:56 <torchie> android's just, hey let's put crap everywhere
Oct 18 22:50:21 <SineOt> do you know if you'll have to follow the PCI standards?
Oct 18 22:50:28 <Tibfib> like I said, android + webOS had a baby.
Oct 18 22:50:43 <Nyceane> tibfib, they have huge amount of people developing for it, but I never, ever seen anybody have a phone
Oct 18 22:50:43 <maik> i'm not sure.  this likely won't ever be released to the public
Oct 18 22:50:53 <Nyceane> even worse, I dont know anybody developing for it
Oct 18 22:50:59 <Tibfib> an illegitimate, dropped on its head, baby
Oct 18 22:51:09 <torchie> I dunno man how many apps do you really need
Oct 18 22:51:11 <maik> i've considered "encrypting" the data with a passphrase that the user chooses, but that's only secure so long as the stupid user doesn't choose "a" (as in apple) for a passphrase
Oct 18 22:51:18 <SineOt> be careful then, because PCI stuff is apparently huge terrible and ass tastic
Oct 18 22:51:23 <maik> yes, it is
Oct 18 22:51:34 <torchie> just need a cool 3d game, an irc client, skype
Oct 18 22:51:44 <torchie> a super nintendo emulator
Oct 18 22:51:52 <maik> snes emu is a must
Oct 18 22:51:55 <torchie> hell yeah
Oct 18 22:52:15 <torchie> if meego doesn't have a super nintendo emulator
Oct 18 22:52:31 <torchie> then it sure won't
Oct 18 22:52:37 <SineOt> I'm sure it will, it's basically just straight linux
Oct 18 22:52:39 <torchie> either way webos
Oct 18 22:52:50 <torchie> unless hp decides to make doves cry
Oct 18 22:53:03 * Tibfib waits for a psx emu on webOS
Oct 18 22:53:18 <torchie> yeah I still have to finish FF7
Oct 18 23:39:32 <krushia> so... what's with this "M-O-J-O Development" maintainer releasing existing homebrew apps with different names?
Oct 18 23:40:10 <halfhalo> Link?
Oct 18 23:42:07 <krushia> just look in catalog... "PreOily" is repackaged Preopoly... then "GoogleOS Apps" is repackaged GoogyOS
Oct 18 23:42:30 <oil> PreOily?
Oct 18 23:42:42 <krushia> lol
Oct 18 23:43:03 <SineOt> huh, the app catalog asked me to re-agree to the eula
Oct 18 23:44:00 <halfhalo> Well, considering I'm not ON a webos device, just saying look it the appcat ain't gonna work
Oct 18 23:44:33 <SineOt> wow, how did this even get passed?
Oct 18 23:44:52 <SineOt> 3to2 Map's Beta 3 has a screenshot of the stock Google Maps app (wtf?)
Oct 18 23:45:53 <rwhitby> it's in the beta feed - no review
Oct 18 23:46:12 <SineOt> 3to2 Map's Beta 3 is in the live catalog
Oct 18 23:47:37 <rwhitby> SineOt: it's in the beta feed
Oct 18 23:47:53 <SineOt> Why's it showing up in my live App Catalog then? :x
Oct 18 23:47:58 <krushia> http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/preopoly and http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/preoily
Oct 18 23:48:05 <SineOt> with the stock blue app background
Oct 18 23:48:17 <SineOt> and not the green beta app background or grey web app
Oct 18 23:49:12 <halfhalo> Hah
Oct 18 23:49:29 <halfhalo> Didn't even change the names in the screenshots
Oct 18 23:50:59 <rwhitby> Preopoly is GPL, but GoogyOS is CCND
Oct 18 23:51:12 <halfhalo> This sounds like a job for superchuq!
Oct 18 23:51:30 <rwhitby> I've put the word out on @webosinternals
Oct 18 23:51:45 <rwhitby> krushia: got a twitter handle for credit?
Oct 18 23:51:52 <krushia> nope
Oct 18 23:52:06 <halfhalo> Also saw a yahoo one and a winlive one
Oct 18 23:53:42 <halfhalo> Sorta retweeted it
Oct 18 23:53:58 * krushia doesn't do twitter
Oct 18 23:54:18 * halfhalo doesn't know how to use this twitter client
Oct 18 23:54:33 <Nyceane> almost 4 hours, i still can't even display an image on qt sdk
Oct 18 23:54:36 <Nyceane> give up -_-
Oct 18 23:54:49 <Nyceane> this was something i could do on webos sdk within first 5 minutes
Oct 18 23:55:47 <rwhitby> who wrote "Amigo" ?
Oct 18 23:55:55 <halfhalo> That's because web os is freaking awesome
Oct 18 23:56:06 <halfhalo> Amigo?
Oct 18 23:56:24 <summatusmentis> Nyceane: why're you workingon qt? meego?
Oct 18 23:56:37 <rwhitby> another one that M-O-J-O-S-C-A-M has stolen
Oct 18 23:56:55 <halfhalo> Ah
Oct 18 23:57:00 <halfhalo> No idea
Oct 18 23:58:25 <rwhitby> ahsirg
Oct 18 23:58:37 <rwhitby> (search for Amigo in Preware, and get two results)
Oct 18 23:59:23 <rwhitby> I've just heard from Palm.  They're onto MOJOSCAMMER
Oct 18 23:59:56 <halfhalo> That was fast
Oct 19 00:00:17 <Nyceane> summatusmentis, nokia N8
Oct 19 00:00:23 <Nyceane> just symbian ^3
Oct 19 00:00:28 <krushia> now i'm wondering what there is for code changes
Oct 19 00:00:42 <halfhalo> Most likely nothing
Oct 19 00:01:28 <halfhalo> Bbl midterm
Oct 19 00:01:29 <rwhitby> halfhalo: Palm follow @webosinternals ;)
Oct 19 00:02:36 <SineOt> rwhitby: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/findapps_2010-18-10_164649.png
Oct 19 00:03:12 <SineOt> either there's a really bad bug somewhere and beta feed apps can show up in the live catalog as real, reviewed apps, or someone at Palm failed at reviewing (both which seem pretty bad)
Oct 19 00:03:32 <rwhitby> SineOt: you're right, it's there.
Oct 19 00:03:33 <krushia> its definately in the reviewed catalog
Oct 19 00:04:17 <krushia> the simple fact that the title in the screenshot doesn't match is a dead giveaway. no excuse for not catching that.
Oct 19 00:04:44 <SineOt> even at a glance it's obvious that it's the stock Google Maps application
Oct 19 00:06:34 <SineOt> I mean really, name in the app doesn't match, it's the stock Google Maps application, beta in the name: Where would you go "yup push it to the live catalog folks" :C
Oct 19 00:09:45 <krushia> SineOt: when it is friday afternoon and you really want to go home :)
Oct 19 00:18:20 <rwhitby> SineOt: looks like it's the Area map widget
Oct 19 00:18:40 <SineOt> rwhitby: I was referring to the screen shots, which are the stock google maps app
Oct 19 00:19:10 <rwhitby> agreed
Oct 19 00:27:58 <SineOt> the screenshots seem to be the most egregious parts. Even without ever launching the app it should have been obvious something was fishy
Oct 19 00:40:07 <rwhitby> the developer homepage URL is also bogus
Oct 19 00:41:54 <SineOt> is it even registered, or just a bunk parking page?
Oct 19 00:42:13 <rwhitby> points to precentral.net/support
Oct 19 00:44:01 <halfhalo> Same as the last one right?
Oct 19 00:47:00 <JenP> hi all
Oct 19 00:50:17 <Bmyers> Hi Jenp
Oct 19 00:50:45 <haeffb> sugardave: thanks
Oct 19 00:50:54 <haeffb> hi JenP Bmyers et al.
Oct 19 00:51:42 <haeffb> hey chuqui
Oct 19 00:51:51 <JenP> hey guys! what's up?
Oct 19 00:54:59 <Bmyers> monday night football
Oct 19 00:55:18 <JenP> who's playing?
Oct 19 00:56:32 <Bmyers> titans vs jags
Oct 19 00:57:11 <JenP> hmm cool. i'm playing with php an jQuerry
Oct 19 00:57:30 <Bmyers> really. why not prototype since you have experience with it?
Oct 19 00:57:53 <JenP> well i want to make an autocomplete field for city and state look up
Oct 19 00:58:09 <JenP> and jQuery seemed the easiest way
Oct 19 00:58:57 <JenP> http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Autocomplete
Oct 19 00:59:53 <Bmyers> was thinking of something similar for my website
Oct 19 01:00:37 <JenP> cool!
Oct 19 01:01:40 <Bmyers> but was thinking of just going with prototype
Oct 19 01:02:11 <JenP> well if you find a good prototype write up let me know
Oct 19 01:03:47 <Bmyers> there are gobs of them
Oct 19 01:04:31 <JenP> yeah? i must have not looked very well then.
Oct 19 01:05:49 <JenP> well maybe it was because of what I was searching for. javascript + php for autocomplete
Oct 19 01:06:03 <Nyceane> Hey JenP =)
Oct 19 01:06:16 <JenP> hiya! how are you?
Oct 19 01:06:20 <rwhitby> Q: would you attend this talk? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DevDayNYC
Oct 19 01:06:25 <Nyceane> pretty good, how about yourself? =)
Oct 19 01:06:37 <JenP> very well thanks
Oct 19 01:07:03 <Nyceane> I might, I'll have to see, its in NY -_-
Oct 19 01:07:15 <Nyceane> I was just there last month, I dont really want to fly there again =|
Oct 19 01:07:27 <Nyceane> are you?
Oct 19 01:07:28 <SineOt> rwhitby: if it focused a lot on the whole how can homebrew coexist peacefully with the "official" stuff, it could be really interesting
Oct 19 01:07:43 <Loudergood> I'll be there
Oct 19 01:07:57 <rwhitby> SineOt: that is part of the intended outline, yes.
Oct 19 01:08:22 <SineOt> I meant the majority of it :)
Oct 19 01:09:59 <SineOt> personally I don't care much about the organization and the architecture-how it exists with Palm's kind of unspoken/spoken sanction when every other homebrew community around phones is basically openly torn down be it with updates removing features or things like efuses preventing 3rd party flashes is way more interesting
Oct 19 01:12:31 <JenP> The descriptions a bit "dry" for me Rod
Oct 19 01:13:27 <SineOt> rwhitby: completely out of left field but Preware would look -hot- with that blue from the old Preware mock ups
Oct 19 01:14:14 <rwhitby> JenP: I suck at marketing :)
Oct 19 01:15:32 <JenP> well...who's your target audience?
Oct 19 01:16:43 <SineOt> man that blue is awesome, why didn't it end up in Preware proper?
Oct 19 01:17:16 <rwhitby> yeah, we should have put the blue in, and left installing packages out ;)
Oct 19 01:17:25 <SineOt> psh ;P
Oct 19 01:17:45 <JenP> lol..."pretty" is very important.
Oct 19 01:17:59 <SineOt> and that blue is "pretty"
Oct 19 01:21:23 * oil put the theme dropdown in preware/etc hoping someone would eventually want to make another theme for it :)
Oct 19 01:21:44 <SineOt> is there any documentation on how to make a preware theme? :p
Oct 19 01:21:51 <oil> no
Oct 19 01:21:56 <oil> lol
Oct 19 01:22:02 <SineOt> is it even supported lol
Oct 19 01:22:26 <oil> right now it just uses all palms default stuff for the most part
Oct 19 01:22:37 <oil> it supports changing the body class for the stages
Oct 19 01:22:46 <oil> so another css file could override whatever they wanted to
Oct 19 01:22:54 <SineOt> so in theory, a theme could be as simple as just a CSS file to drop in?
Oct 19 01:22:59 <oil> yeah
Oct 19 01:23:13 <JenP> oil! I need you to explain the dBus button...so far I haven't been able to get it working
Oct 19 01:23:16 <oil> then change the prefs scene to populate it
Oct 19 01:23:26 * haeffb needs a topic for dev days...
Oct 19 01:23:32 <oil> JenP: try logging govnah, then open it
Oct 19 01:23:37 <oil> open govnah that is
Oct 19 01:23:41 <JenP> kk
Oct 19 01:23:48 <oil> it should show the traffic going back and forth for all the graphs and stuff
Oct 19 01:24:52 <SineOt> oil: if I make a theme can I get it included in the next Preware release? :D
Oct 19 01:25:20 <oil> the more awesome it is the higher the chances :)
Oct 19 01:25:33 <JenP> ohhhh cool! now I can get my screen shot. But I still need a good explanation of what it's doing...when you get a chance
Oct 19 01:26:01 <oil> JenP: service requests and responses go over the dbus
Oct 19 01:26:15 <oil> we're just watching what goes across
Oct 19 01:26:51 <JenP> so how does that benefit the user?
Oct 19 01:27:10 <haeffb> first thing Lumberjack shows in log: "Uncaught TypeError" "Cannot read property 'style' of undefined"
Oct 19 01:27:21 <oil> to see what actually goes over the pipe
Oct 19 01:27:42 <haeffb> and that error is from...
Oct 19 01:27:51 <oil> apps that do a lot of service requests, like preware
Oct 19 01:27:58 <haeffb> ...wait for it...
Oct 19 01:28:03 <oil> lumberjack?
Oct 19 01:28:11 <haeffb> ...yes, that's right. Lumberjack. :)
Oct 19 01:28:17 <rwhitby> JenP: note that you can use that to find cases where your service requests to Mojo don't come back for some reason
Oct 19 01:28:38 * haeffb assumes it's just there to show that Lumberjack works.
Oct 19 01:28:40 <rwhitby> JenP: e.g. when your mojo doesn't store the request object and garbage collection cancels the request after 10 seconds
Oct 19 01:29:00 <rwhitby> you can also use it to snoop on what other apps are doing, including the Palm apps
Oct 19 01:29:50 <JenP> so if the user was "watching the bus" it would see traffic from specified apps requesting mojo.services...?
Oct 19 01:30:05 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 19 01:30:52 <JenP> does lumberjack have a way to export the log?
Oct 19 01:31:05 <rwhitby> copy from here to there
Oct 19 01:33:11 <haeffb> oil: 44-year old eyes don't do well with Lumberjack
Oct 19 01:33:31 <oil> yeah
Oct 19 01:33:32 <haeffb> i.e. font size is a tad small
Oct 19 01:33:35 <oil> well, there is a lot of data there
Oct 19 01:33:39 <JenP> an export to mail would be cool
Oct 19 01:33:54 * oil considers a larger font option
Oct 19 01:34:16 <oil> JenP: i plan to add email
Oct 19 01:34:19 <oil> and pastebining
Oct 19 01:34:28 <JenP> now that would be nice
Oct 19 01:34:50 <JenP> even just a simple save to log file would work
Oct 19 01:36:03 <oil> yeah, that will require some more service methods from rwhitby :)
Oct 19 01:37:41 <haeffb> email is easy
Oct 19 01:38:08 <oil> yeah
Oct 19 01:38:22 <oil> new "generate support email" feature i just put in govnah is awesome :)
Oct 19 01:38:38 <rwhitby> oil: didn't work for me.  no email account set up on test device :)
Oct 19 01:38:45 <oil> yeah
Oct 19 01:38:52 <oil> i installed it on my main pre to send you that demo
Oct 19 01:38:53 <oil> haha
Oct 19 01:38:59 <oil> i had it outputing to a div on the scene for testing
Oct 19 01:39:11 <rwhitby> oil: heh, just got the new subtitle :)
Oct 19 01:39:19 <oil> yeah
Oct 19 01:39:32 <oil> even rated so low, it seems to come up quite often for me
Oct 19 01:41:20 <rwhitby> oil: just sent you the generated email - looks funny
Oct 19 01:41:47 <oil> thats how it looks
Oct 19 01:41:48 <oil> lol
Oct 19 01:42:21 <oil> maybe it could be organized better
Oct 19 01:42:24 <oil> formatted better
Oct 19 01:42:35 <oil> i was just throwing things in
Oct 19 01:42:37 <rwhitby> ah, the vdd1_ vsel and stuff was too far over on the Pre
Oct 19 01:42:46 <oil> yeah
Oct 19 01:43:03 <oil> those could go under Override: instead of to the right
Oct 19 01:43:09 <oil> so its less width
Oct 19 01:43:17 <rwhitby> oil: probably don't need to separate out the section - all the params are going to be unique so just list them left-aligned
Oct 19 01:43:54 <oil> i only split it out because thats how it is in the app
Oct 19 01:44:15 <rwhitby> yeah, but it makes look funny on the email before you send it
Oct 19 01:44:17 <oil> but yeah, it could be changed
Oct 19 01:45:47 <rwhitby> are there any prepaid GSM sims available in the US with unlimited data ?
Oct 19 01:45:56 <JenP> i need an example of Alert & Debug code to finish the wiki
Oct 19 01:46:19 <oil> i have no idea about prepaid sims
Oct 19 01:46:43 * rwhitby will have to turn off his 3G data when in the US due to costs
Oct 19 01:46:57 <rwhitby> in fact, any cellular data on my phone
Oct 19 01:47:00 <oil> JenP: i believe govnah does alerts() on start
Oct 19 01:47:14 <oil> rwhitby: yeah, thats a tough one
Oct 19 01:47:15 <rwhitby> gonna need to leech of other devday attendees over wifi hotspot
Oct 19 01:47:34 <oil> no free wifi at the place?
Oct 19 01:47:38 <oil> lol
Oct 19 01:47:46 <JenP> nono not screen shot but example code a user would put in to see the alert log
Oct 19 01:47:55 <JenP> Error - example: Mojo.Log.error("I have", 3, "eggs.");
Oct 19 01:47:55 <oil> oh
Oct 19 01:47:56 <rwhitby> AP: "rodleech" PW: "webosinternals"
Oct 19 01:48:02 <halfhalo> rwhitby: I think you might get away with a go phone prepaid sim
Oct 19 01:48:18 <oil> alert("I have "+3+" eggs.");
Oct 19 01:48:18 <sugardave> info, error, and....warn?
Oct 19 01:48:20 <sugardave> alert
Oct 19 01:48:20 <halfhalo> Has something like 200mb
Oct 19 01:48:22 <sugardave> ooops
Oct 19 01:48:36 <oil> yeah, Mojo.Log.info/error/warn() and then alert()
Oct 19 01:48:44 <oil> but alert is only one arguemnt
Oct 19 01:48:45 <rwhitby> Hmm - I wonder if the prepaid sim ka6sox left in my Pixi has anything on it
Oct 19 01:48:53 <oil> doesnt go like mojo.log does
Oct 19 01:49:20 <oil> ive personally never bought a prepaid sim, so i have no idea how it does
Oct 19 01:49:29 <oil> im sure someone else here has before?
Oct 19 01:49:39 * sugardave looks around for someone else.
Oct 19 01:49:43 <oil> lol
Oct 19 01:49:53 * halfhalo has never owned a gsm phone
Oct 19 01:50:00 <oil> :/
Oct 19 01:50:38 <SineOt> I've had a few prepaid phones that used SIMs, but never tried data with them :o
Oct 19 01:50:40 <oil> rwhitby: ask twitter, they always seem to have answers
Oct 19 01:50:44 <halfhalo> rwhitby: I think the minutes and data expire after a month or so for prepaid
Oct 19 01:50:59 <SineOt> 30 days, tmo prepaid goes for 90 days
Oct 19 01:51:37 <halfhalo> Wait, its an unlocked device, right?
Oct 19 01:51:42 <rwhitby> halfhalo: yep
Oct 19 01:52:07 <halfhalo> Worst case, tmos even more plus or whichever is contract free
Oct 19 01:52:30 <halfhalo> It's like 60 for  a month but is the full enchilada
Oct 19 01:54:01 <rwhitby> I need an "everything for 4 days" plan
Oct 19 01:54:07 <oil> lol
Oct 19 01:54:19 <SineOt> bribe someone with an ATT pre to let you use their SIM? lol
Oct 19 01:54:29 <rwhitby> surely your liberal no-strings carriers in the US will have something like that?
Oct 19 01:54:36 <oil> lol
Oct 19 01:55:05 <halfhalo> Closest is the tmobile plan I think
Oct 19 01:55:05 <halfhalo> Everthing else needs a contract
Oct 19 01:55:42 <halfhalo> Wait, verizon has smart phones on prepaid now don't they?  If you had coma, that would be the way to go
Oct 19 01:55:51 <halfhalo> Cdma, not coma
Oct 19 01:56:01 <oil> comas are always the way to go
Oct 19 01:56:08 <halfhalo> True
Oct 19 01:56:41 <SineOt> too bad Verizon won't activate any device that isn't theirs
Oct 19 01:57:11 * rwhitby asks twitter, just for laughs
Oct 19 01:57:26 <rwhitby> http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/27792130393
Oct 19 01:58:19 <halfhalo> Somewhere I have the vzw pre... Where did I put it...
Oct 19 01:58:43 <bpadalino> maybe palm will give you a complementary phone for your data needs
Oct 19 01:59:06 <halfhalo> I would hope so
Oct 19 02:01:22 <oil> rwhitby: sent you new govnah email
Oct 19 02:02:02 <rwhitby> oil: should we use the friendly names, so that people can cut and paste it into forum posts?
Oct 19 02:02:12 <oil> could
Oct 19 02:02:20 <oil> i was using the actual stuff for names/values
Oct 19 02:02:24 <rwhitby> yeah
Oct 19 02:02:28 <oil> so there is no confusion of "wtf is this?"
Oct 19 02:03:21 <rwhitby> Scheduler and Congestion are friendly though
Oct 19 02:03:35 <oil> cause i typed that in manually
Oct 19 02:03:36 <oil> lol
Oct 19 02:03:49 <oil> they're just this.scheduler and congetsion in the data handler
Oct 19 02:04:08 <oil> like governor
Oct 19 02:04:20 <rwhitby> ah, yes.
Oct 19 02:05:00 * rwhitby bbl - lunch
Oct 19 02:08:04 <rwhitby> :) -> http://twitter.com/Adora/status/27792352585
Oct 19 02:08:20 <oil> haha, see
Oct 19 02:09:00 <bpadalino> ask and ye shall receive
Oct 19 02:09:42 <rwhitby> and my reply: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/27793130813
Oct 19 02:09:58 <bpadalino> nice
Oct 19 02:10:27 <oil> JenP: also, there is no "debug" log function afaik
Oct 19 02:10:38 <oil> the debug setting, just means all of them are on
Oct 19 02:14:14 <oil> haeffb: im going to add a font-size option with "normal" and "bunyan" mode :)
Oct 19 02:14:23 <oil> lol
Oct 19 02:14:32 <haeffb> Mr. Magoo mode.
Oct 19 02:14:52 <oil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bunyan
Oct 19 02:16:05 <oil> though, in larger font mode, thinks will look weird
Oct 19 02:16:11 <haeffb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_magoo
Oct 19 02:16:12 <oil> lots of vertical-height
Oct 19 02:16:29 <oil> lol
Oct 19 02:16:51 <oil> McBarker is a great dogs name, haha
Oct 19 02:45:53 <haeffb> rwhitby: does save/restore export the Palm tasks database?
Oct 19 02:48:56 <rwhitby> probably not
Oct 19 02:49:31 <rwhitby> haeffb: which appid is that?
Oct 19 02:50:33 <haeffb> com.palm.app.tasks
Oct 19 02:54:15 <rwhitby> haeffb: do you need this for yourself, or is it just an idle thought?
Oct 19 02:55:25 <haeffb> User wants to know if it's possible to export data from Tasks app. They have lost Palm profile password and need a way to get the data...
Oct 19 02:59:37 <rwhitby> looking into it
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