**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 19 02:59:57 2010 Oct 19 03:03:15 haeffb: will be able to save to HTML, but not restore Oct 19 03:05:06 any way to get the data out would be fantastic. Oct 19 03:07:55 haeffb: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.palm.app.tasks Oct 19 03:08:10 tested it on a couple of tasks here. Oct 19 03:08:26 ~sigh~ A nice looking GIT front end UI, and it does everything you need it for: EXCEPT for push to the remote repo :C Oct 19 03:10:49 haeffb: I can email you an ipk which includes it if you like Oct 19 03:10:59 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/244701-govnah-60.html#post2718790 Oct 19 03:10:59 haha Oct 19 03:11:12 hah Oct 19 03:11:28 Annie get your gun ? Oct 19 03:11:33 rwhitby: Please do. thanks! Oct 19 03:11:41 <-- at gmail Oct 19 03:16:07 haeffb: sent Oct 19 03:16:24 haeffb: not well tested, but won't destroy anything Oct 19 03:16:46 got it. Thanks! again. Oct 19 03:18:05 no worries, it was only 8 mins work :) Oct 19 03:18:14 well, 10 if you include packaging Oct 19 03:20:17 how many beers is that at dev days? Oct 19 03:20:30 10 Oct 19 03:22:50 haeffb: depends how quickly I drink them Oct 19 03:24:55 all the beer you can drink in 10 minutes? Oct 19 03:25:08 careful Oct 19 03:25:11 he's an Aussie Oct 19 03:25:27 you never know how many he can do in 10 minutes Oct 19 03:25:48 * rwhitby 's sculling days are long gone Oct 19 03:26:05 right, right. All the beers he can drink faster than me in 10 minutes Oct 19 03:26:20 haeffb: yeah, that's a win-win Oct 19 03:26:29 works for me Oct 19 03:27:22 hi all Oct 19 03:27:27 hi JenP Oct 19 03:27:34 hey sugardave Oct 19 03:42:42 oil: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2718850 Oct 19 03:43:02 wait, Annie? Oct 19 03:43:07 i thought it was Arnie? Oct 19 03:43:56 it is Arnie Oct 19 03:44:00 someone can't read ;o Oct 19 03:45:02 oil: refresh Oct 19 03:45:03 hi JenP! Oct 19 03:45:13 hi dkirker!! Oct 19 03:45:28 lol Oct 19 03:45:37 thats far too large for the forums, haha Oct 19 03:46:44 its p|c, it will be fine Oct 19 03:46:59 "Paul Bunyan" font-size is added to lumberjack now :) Oct 19 03:47:05 cool Oct 19 03:47:27 oil: fixed the image Oct 19 05:02:20 failed attempt at trying to get a free battery from sprint store today lol but could someone point me in the direction of the testing feed with free tether and testing kernels? Oct 19 05:05:39 google "webos-internals testing feed" Oct 19 05:26:57 if I wanted to change the command line that Eclipse uses to build and run my app, where would I do that? Oct 19 05:27:18 your guess is as good as mine Oct 19 05:28:00 I guess I thought I should be able to get to it in 'Run Configurations' but that's too easy Oct 19 05:41:12 can anyone help me with specifics on how to get govnah to load a userdefined profile on boot? Oct 19 05:42:07 not sure what to change in govnah settings files to get it too boot a specific profile Oct 19 05:49:48 tap the profile in the list... done Oct 19 05:53:11 I... Why did mah bot die? Oct 19 05:53:44 * oil stabbed it Oct 19 05:54:49 In that case, carry on Oct 19 06:13:32 morning Oct 19 06:16:09 did I miss a memo about Mojo.Model.Cookie not working in latest SDK? or is my code broke... maybe its broke. Seems to work on 1.4.5 device, but not in Emu with latest SDK Oct 19 06:17:05 good morning Oct 19 06:17:24 oil: i really dont know why that doesnt work for me but my phone always starts with a unknown profile set to 500mhz across the board Oct 19 06:18:43 hey mine does that too Oct 19 06:19:00 torchie: talking about my prob? Oct 19 06:19:27 yeah Oct 19 06:19:35 radiofreejohn: i thought i read something in the dev forum about it not working somehow Oct 19 06:19:58 ok Oct 19 06:20:21 yeah it seems that it's not setting cookies, i searched briefly on forums but didn't turn up anything except the standard cookie name errors Oct 19 06:20:57 i know this is webos...but does anyone have an ipad and want a promo code for a game i just launched? its in the palm catalog too Oct 19 06:21:12 just checked with 1.4.5 in emu, it works fine, so it must be the new emu or the new OS, oh well Oct 19 06:21:13 torchie: i guess supposedly we can edit the govnah settings file to force the profile to be loaded but i haven't figured it out yet Oct 19 06:23:16 ah, found it in the forums Oct 19 06:26:42 oil: i really dont know why that doesnt work for me but my phone always starts with a unknown profile set to 500mhz across the board Oct 19 06:32:15 xbonesx: is the phone charging? Oct 19 06:32:23 or is the battery less than 25% Oct 19 06:32:44 or maybe you're just being hit by the battery driver race condition bug in the latest UberKernel Oct 19 06:32:50 when? when i restart? when i set the profile up? when it shutdown? please be more specific Oct 19 06:33:03 when you open govnah Oct 19 06:33:06 its bug? Oct 19 06:33:17 there is a bug, yes. Oct 19 06:33:36 when i open it for the first time after a restart? sometimes yes othertimes no, but there's no difference Oct 19 06:33:57 still always starts with the unknown profile Oct 19 06:34:24 tried multiple different occasions, when charging, when not, when low battery, when not, etc... Oct 19 06:34:41 check the /var/log/messages file for a message about batteries and a large negative percentage. if that is there, then it's the bug. Oct 19 06:37:57 so do a restart with the desired profile selected while off the charger, let it full boot then check the "/var/log/messages"? Oct 19 06:38:21 right now im not seeing it but ive been doing a lot of stuff on the phone since the last reboot Oct 19 06:38:45 you should see it immediately after boot Oct 19 06:38:59 you can delete the /var/log/messages file just before reboot to make it easier to find Oct 19 06:39:21 should i try a restart or a full shutdown and boot? Oct 19 06:39:23 and ok Oct 19 06:39:41 reboot Oct 19 06:39:57 luna restarts have nothing to do with the kernel Oct 19 06:40:02 deleted message and awaiting a reboot Oct 19 06:40:47 i was referring to a full shutdown (meaning the option for swapping batteries, totally kills phone with no boot) or if i should choose the restart option lol :) Oct 19 06:41:02 i choose restart Oct 19 06:41:52 with this bug, would i be able to force a chosen profile by editing a certain file? Oct 19 06:43:58 am i going to see this message closer to the top or the bottom? Oct 19 06:45:32 about the 10th and eleventh line up from the bottom of the messages file, is something about the luna manager not accessing the cpu share file Oct 19 06:46:26 i could novaterm and copy and paste the results for you to check over if that would be easier? Oct 19 06:51:20 Look in the Govnah thread on PreCentral for the exact text you are looking for. Oct 19 06:51:32 You choose profiles by selecting them in Govnah. Oct 19 06:51:52 that is the one and only way to choose a Govnah profile Oct 19 06:56:33 some reading to do... :( lol Oct 19 07:00:54 well im going to stay with the idea that it is a bug... and just except the fact that i will have to manually choose the profile every time, which really isnt such a bad thing cuz it a battery drainer anyways... Oct 19 07:01:02 thanks for your help tho :) Oct 19 07:06:22 xbonesx: you can always go back to the previous version of UberKernel until the bug is fixed Oct 19 07:06:46 how so? Oct 19 07:06:55 and what will the disadvantages be? Oct 19 07:08:01 check the changelog for what features are not there Oct 19 07:11:45 lol make sense, any you can think of off of you head that will be missed? or will even notice? and how would i get older versions? Oct 19 07:19:22 I can't take it, i have this upgrade burning up, can anyone tell me if the palm pre 2 will have a 5mp camera and be on sprint network? Oct 19 07:19:41 apparently it has a 5mp Oct 19 07:19:49 a picture was leaked Oct 19 07:20:09 http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/10/palm-pre-2-sample-photo-emerges/ Oct 19 07:20:24 i would assume that sprint gets the pre 2 too, since they don't have the pre plus Oct 19 07:21:10 was it legit tho? so, so we have 5mp, 1ghz, 512ram, flat screen(possible glass), no time frame on a release tho :( Oct 19 07:21:21 it seems legit Oct 19 07:21:54 rumours have pointed to a november release Oct 19 07:22:34 no kidding that early, holy shit ( sorry for lang.) i almost got a pixi today cuz it was free Oct 19 07:22:57 think they will offer it free or very cheap with a upgrade? Oct 19 07:22:58 rumours are rumours .. no announcements yet Oct 19 07:23:03 is that type of stuff typical? Oct 19 07:23:21 no announcements? Oct 19 07:23:35 right i know but is it typical that they do that? Oct 19 07:23:50 i would think so, to get their product out their Oct 19 07:23:50 apparently .. they announce when it's ready Oct 19 07:23:55 lol Oct 19 07:23:58 ok ok Oct 19 07:24:05 im excited man, can you tell Oct 19 07:24:15 its nothing big but at the same time it is Oct 19 07:25:24 yeah, i'm looking forward to a new device too Oct 19 07:27:13 its just going to suck if they release a whole new look and style for the webos phones in the middle of next year, ill have to wait til nov again lol Oct 19 07:40:15 could anyone tell me where the default ringtones are stored? Oct 19 07:42:07 never mind Oct 19 07:42:08 lol Oct 19 07:42:20 some simple searching always works Oct 19 12:43:07 swisstomcat: what aspect of Done! should I present at dev days? 5 minutes to discuss...what? Oct 19 12:43:42 haeffb: of course the german version ;) Oct 19 12:44:27 of course. But "there's a German version" takes 5 seconds. Need 4:55 more material! Oct 19 12:44:39 what' special about done? Oct 19 12:44:43 the sync? Oct 19 12:44:55 that's what I'm trying to decide. Oct 19 12:45:08 highly configurable. Perhaps overly so. Oct 19 12:47:30 but what would appeal to other devs? Oct 19 12:48:45 sugardave: feel free to chime in here as well... Oct 19 12:53:17 * haeffb off to work. bbl. Oct 19 13:07:02 haeffb: talk about how you used cloud services to create an app Oct 19 13:07:07 twice Oct 19 13:07:12 with noted as well Oct 19 13:07:37 coders love to hear about functionality that the dont have to code Oct 19 13:07:53 haeffb_pre: talk about how you used cloud services to create an app Oct 19 13:10:36 yeah, that sounds like a good pitch .. but only 5 minutes? Oct 19 13:11:38 whoa! Oct 19 13:11:39 webOS 2.0, Palm Pre 2 official. boom. http://www.precentral.net Oct 19 13:11:59 cool Oct 19 13:12:09 carriers? Oct 19 13:12:09 5mp camera Oct 19 13:12:35 SFR Oct 19 13:21:04 wow Oct 19 13:21:05 webOS 2.0 Press Release http://bit.ly/bSEYfC via @webOSdev Oct 19 13:21:10 release is imminent :) Oct 19 13:28:08 wow vpn... woo hoo Oct 19 13:28:19 BT keyboard :) Oct 19 13:28:22 yay Oct 19 13:28:33 seems like an embargo was lifted Oct 19 13:28:59 sweet! Oct 19 13:30:09 watch out for the engadget and precentral review .. who knows Oct 19 13:30:15 now that the cat is out of the bag Oct 19 13:30:25 need to run to france this friday Oct 19 13:30:33 oh wait, i'm in poland talking about webOS Oct 19 13:30:41 can you get me some bagettes while u r there? Oct 19 13:31:53 whoa! Skype coming to webOS on Verizon Oct 19 13:31:54 8 MP is sort of standard for tier 1 smartphones. wonder why they stopped at 5mp Oct 19 13:37:20 no Sprint?!?! Oct 19 13:37:52 haeffb_pre: doesnt seem so, at least so far. Oct 19 13:39:57 strange Oct 19 13:40:04 why NOT sprint Oct 19 13:40:19 and why no unlocked developer devices (UMTS) in europe Oct 19 13:40:48 they will come...but when? Oct 19 13:41:16 so...cloud services and sync? Oct 19 13:43:44 haeffb_pre: yes, the entire process. selecting a cloud services, integrating it into (hp) webos Oct 19 13:43:52 debugging processes Oct 19 13:44:18 how you managed data locally and remotely Oct 19 13:44:44 that should be 5 minutes easy. they may even have to pull u off the podium Oct 19 13:45:31 hehe Oct 19 13:45:35 why only 5 minutes, haeffb? Oct 19 13:46:25 I suspect it's to minimize exposure to speakers with unknown abilities... :) Oct 19 13:47:34 agreed Oct 19 13:47:58 lets bring in 4 random guys... Oct 19 13:48:17 personality disorder you mean? Oct 19 13:48:46 but make sure they don't bore the hell out of everybody Oct 19 13:50:05 in 5 minute intervals Oct 19 13:52:04 there's four of us in a 30 min session Oct 19 13:52:22 cool Oct 19 13:52:34 zhepree? palmflashcards? germboy? and you? Oct 19 13:52:54 yep Oct 19 13:53:27 cool Oct 19 13:53:30 "one of these things is not like the others..." Oct 19 13:53:44 i would talk to the other devs and see what they're covering Oct 19 13:53:51 so you don't cover the same topics Oct 19 13:54:43 done did Oct 19 13:59:38 u good with powerpoint? Oct 19 13:59:45 eek Oct 19 14:00:03 or some similar slide tool Oct 19 14:00:11 i did my latest presentation for front-trends with html (S5) Oct 19 14:00:15 make some slides, share then on the web Oct 19 14:00:22 them ^ Oct 19 14:00:26 yeah Oct 19 14:00:54 or just one slide with a QR code url Oct 19 14:01:16 or wait, cant do QR codes on the pre Oct 19 14:01:30 well at least the i/a phones can Oct 19 14:02:12 lets hope the pre2 has a better camera Oct 19 14:06:59 5mp Oct 19 14:07:12 same small screen Oct 19 14:08:04 i mean better in terms of focus Oct 19 14:08:14 for barcodes/qr-codes Oct 19 14:09:36 ah, but you dont have access to it yet anyway Oct 19 14:09:51 well, mojo wise Oct 19 14:11:38 true, Oct 19 14:11:50 QR code is an must-have these days Oct 19 14:31:35 morning chuqui! Oct 19 14:31:47 morning Oct 19 14:31:55 precentral: we have a pre-production Palm Pre 2 in-hand and have a full review of HP webOS 2.0 for you Oct 19 14:32:11 quite a boat-load that palm/hp dropped on us, chuqui :) Oct 19 14:32:33 busy morning Oct 19 14:33:11 any word on a unlocked UMTS developer pre 2 for us poor european developers? Oct 19 14:35:07 nope. nothing on that right now. Oct 19 14:39:54 Hi everybody Oct 19 14:43:16 hi robdor Oct 19 14:48:06 any news about webos2.0 updates for french pre "1" or pixi ? Oct 19 14:51:48 hey gutys Oct 19 14:51:59 does anyone know when webos will start to charge the $99 fee for devs again? Oct 19 14:52:39 yesterday, I think Oct 19 14:52:49 what do you mean? Oct 19 14:53:28 what do YOU mean? Oct 19 14:53:40 I registered for the palm dev program, and it was free Oct 19 14:53:45 uh huh Oct 19 14:53:51 They said the $99 fee was waived, but when does this get put back? Oct 19 14:54:01 how would I know? Oct 19 14:54:03 jamesderektate: I wouldn't lose sleep over the $99 fee coming back any time soon. Oct 19 14:54:20 Okay, but when we signed up... is it good for at least one year? Oct 19 14:54:31 And, will we be notified when it is brought back? Oct 19 14:54:44 nice rebranding, btw Oct 19 14:55:49 yes, if that changes devs will be notified. Oct 19 14:56:49 Great Oct 19 14:58:13 chuqui: copied you on an email, help me out :D Oct 19 14:59:46 morning, all Oct 19 14:59:57 Is precentral the largest online community for palm? Oct 19 15:00:01 morning Oct 19 15:00:17 sugardave: if it'll help, I'll tell him to say no faster.... Oct 19 15:00:35 dammit Oct 19 15:01:00 looks like i need to work on my updates here pretty soon Oct 19 15:01:07 or contacts may not work :/ Oct 19 15:01:14 dundundun Oct 19 15:01:19 jamesderektate: precentral.net, webosroundup.com, webosworld.com Oct 19 15:01:42 precentral has better forums Oct 19 15:01:51 stoked for pre 2 Oct 19 15:07:56 the new hp/palm banner doesn't fit well on some of the forum pages Oct 19 15:07:58 ooops Oct 19 15:09:55 pre 2 i dunno Oct 19 15:09:58 is it coming to sprint Oct 19 15:10:06 doesn't sound like it Oct 19 15:10:10 pretty lame Oct 19 15:10:11 and is it 200bux still Oct 19 15:10:20 great Oct 19 15:10:21 sprint is just Oct 19 15:10:24 android central Oct 19 15:12:21 webos 2.0 review!? Oct 19 15:12:23 is it out? Oct 19 15:13:00 to some, it would appear Oct 19 15:13:31 giiiiiiiirl Oct 19 15:14:00 worst-case I guess I could buy one....but I'm so cheap Oct 19 15:14:02 hmmm Oct 19 15:14:15 skype coming to webOS! Oct 19 15:14:17 ...on verizon. Oct 19 15:14:23 seriously? Oct 19 15:14:27 yeah, that blows, too Oct 19 15:14:32 this is like the one thing I've wanted Oct 19 15:14:34 for months Oct 19 15:15:07 android is ok Oct 19 15:15:17 but a lot of the apps can have permissions to read texts, that worries me Oct 19 15:15:22 if there's one thing I've learned....I need to really weigh becoming an early adopter of anything now Oct 19 15:15:34 lol Oct 19 15:15:40 early adoption only benefits when it's apple :( Oct 19 15:15:44 except for iphone 1 Oct 19 15:15:47 PS3 Oct 19 15:15:59 webos will be larger this time next year Oct 19 15:17:07 i waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant it Oct 19 15:17:12 pre 2 for sprint :( Oct 19 15:17:13 that depends on the marketing push Oct 19 15:17:19 skype for sprint :( Oct 19 15:17:26 hard to determine if verizon will push it like the droid Oct 19 15:17:45 Yeah, sprint users are screwwed Oct 19 15:17:50 esp since we bought it first Oct 19 15:18:01 :) Oct 19 15:18:19 16 months and counting Oct 19 15:18:32 _16_ Oct 19 15:18:36 MONTHS Oct 19 15:18:37 our device is the same as the device launched in January 2009 Oct 19 15:18:54 a year and 10 months old now Oct 19 15:19:05 January? I thought it didn't come until June Oct 19 15:19:06 22 Months Oct 19 15:19:07 get an evo Oct 19 15:19:24 It was showcased in january of 2009, we didnt get it until June 6th 2009 Oct 19 15:19:27 does anyone actually think mobile will be anything like desktop, where there's basically 1 winner: microsoft... Oct 19 15:19:36 it seems to me carriers will _never_ allow this Oct 19 15:19:40 I like windows phone 7 Oct 19 15:19:54 its developer tools are complete and usable Oct 19 15:19:59 yeah wp7 looks pretty sweet Oct 19 15:20:01 Bmyers: I saw an ad for an Incredible last night...makes me sad Oct 19 15:20:01 The emulator is bullet proof Oct 19 15:20:04 i don't think at&t will offer palm, iphone, and then the rest android ever. Oct 19 15:20:28 they'll always have to offer a bunch of operating systems, even samsung and lg feature phones Oct 19 15:20:30 we will always have an option in the smartphone market Oct 19 15:20:41 right Oct 19 15:20:41 no one will ever tie themself to one device Oct 19 15:20:44 android'll probably beat wp7 since it's easier to whore out Oct 19 15:20:48 and wp7 has like Oct 19 15:20:50 "standards" Oct 19 15:20:54 and "self respect" Oct 19 15:20:56 lol Oct 19 15:21:02 most apps on android are free Oct 19 15:21:11 things that cost $$ are free on android, which is nice.. Oct 19 15:21:12 Thats because you can return android apps Oct 19 15:21:26 exactly Oct 19 15:21:28 the demo window kills it Oct 19 15:21:29 All big developer houses are making their own app store Oct 19 15:21:42 I think the android market could die because of this over time Oct 19 15:21:43 yep, but most users wont know how to buy them Oct 19 15:21:59 i disagree Oct 19 15:22:01 Sure they will, you will see a big marketing campaign Oct 19 15:22:11 windows has so many free applications and utilities online Oct 19 15:22:20 Thats true Oct 19 15:22:22 thus, android is very similar to windows and will likely be the dominant mobile platform Oct 19 15:22:34 i expect about 50% marketshare+ Oct 19 15:23:13 I doubt it will stay that high Oct 19 15:23:39 Maybe for a while, but not for long Oct 19 15:23:49 what will replace it? Oct 19 15:24:02 Once the fact that its a cheap whore as torchie says wears off, people will get board with it Oct 19 15:24:21 * sugardave misplaced his crystal ball. Oct 19 15:25:01 Nothing will replace it, it will still be there, but wp7, ios, bberry (once they remake their os), webos Oct 19 15:25:07 will take more market share from them Oct 19 15:25:09 it will even out Oct 19 15:25:22 and then we forget Nokio/intel meego Oct 19 15:25:30 Nokia Oct 19 15:25:36 I agree Oct 19 15:25:36 * sugardave is waiting for OS/2 Smartphone edition. Oct 19 15:25:45 It is the best thing for consumers Oct 19 15:26:01 woo webOS 2.0 is getting hardware accelerated ui Oct 19 15:26:10 os2? you're showing your age sugardave Oct 19 15:26:16 mobile landscape will mirror the car landscape Oct 19 15:26:21 you have ford, chevy, toyota, etc Oct 19 15:26:26 All with huge consumer bases Oct 19 15:26:55 Android needs to get some market standards in place before it becomes a wasteland of garbage in the app store. Its so easy to get malware into android devices its funny. Oct 19 15:26:57 subaru = apple ? they give hugs at the dealerships Oct 19 15:26:59 iOS, webOS, and Android are all geared for apps, though... blackberry and several others not so much. Oct 19 15:27:02 I am glad they filter it out once in a while Oct 19 15:27:18 CTLAdvance: malware is why I have a pre and an iPhone Oct 19 15:28:03 I think Nokia will adopt Android Oct 19 15:28:10 I dont think so Oct 19 15:28:14 they would never Oct 19 15:28:23 hhmm. Oct 19 15:28:29 Thats why they are still pushing meego w/ intel Oct 19 15:28:34 I still think it's the carriers that will make the mobile landscape look like cars Oct 19 15:29:32 GM, Ford, and Toyota have about 55% US marketshare in cars... Oct 19 15:29:52 We have Android, iOS, webOS... 55% marketshare Oct 19 15:30:17 uh, check your stats Oct 19 15:30:17 im loving webos2.0, its purdy Oct 19 15:30:19 through RIm in there Oct 19 15:30:21 plus flash Oct 19 15:30:32 webos is less than 5% Oct 19 15:31:03 right Oct 19 15:31:14 I think its still less than the old winmo Oct 19 15:31:23 with ~10% Oct 19 15:31:37 i think windows phone 7 will fail Oct 19 15:31:47 it doesnt look that goo Oct 19 15:31:51 I think thats your fanboy in you saying that Oct 19 15:32:02 windows 7 will take all the corporate stuff as it always does Oct 19 15:32:03 define fail Oct 19 15:32:13 webos has failed too if you look at the marketshare :) Oct 19 15:32:13 wp7 looks greeeeeat Oct 19 15:32:26 Windows Phone 7 is already better geared towards enterprise than webOS is Oct 19 15:32:36 how so? Oct 19 15:32:46 only because enterprises are mostly ms shops Oct 19 15:32:53 essentially Oct 19 15:33:08 if nokia adopts android Oct 19 15:33:09 dead Oct 19 15:33:28 how well do web apps run on wp7 (i'm talking phonegap + jquery mobile/jo/whatever) Oct 19 15:33:40 is phonegap even out for wp7? Oct 19 15:33:40 heh... its ie Oct 19 15:33:48 stuff with canvas,svg,geolocation, etc. Oct 19 15:33:50 They dont yet, then again its not a web phone Oct 19 15:33:53 css3 transitions/animations Oct 19 15:33:54 i dont use phonegap for webos, it's not native and looks like crap Oct 19 15:34:14 i use phonegap for ios and android, but it's not able to access all the features. Oct 19 15:34:18 jamesderektate: phonegap doesn't do the GUI Oct 19 15:34:25 how should it look like crap Oct 19 15:35:14 * CTLAdvance thinks swisstomcat just called jamesderektates ui garbage Oct 19 15:35:20 not sure, i never got phonegap to properly work for webos Oct 19 15:35:22 and im glad i didnt Oct 19 15:35:24 ares is way better! Oct 19 15:35:50 phonegap is just the sensor and device data abstraction .. you still need a gui framework of some sort (or roll your own) Oct 19 15:36:46 yep Oct 19 15:38:28 i dont think phonegap ever got around to hardware api's Oct 19 15:38:44 not that there are any available to them Oct 19 15:38:48 http://docs.phonegap.com/ Oct 19 15:39:03 id rather just make it for the native Oct 19 15:39:11 Supported Platforms Oct 19 15:39:11 Android Oct 19 15:39:12 Blackberry Widgets (OS 5.0 and higher) Oct 19 15:39:12 iPhone Oct 19 15:39:12 what's native on webos? Oct 19 15:39:13 i like webos the best Oct 19 15:39:17 camera api Oct 19 15:40:19 sshhh, he's back Oct 19 15:41:59 rural mo not so great for cell phone aignal Oct 19 15:54:11 woah Oct 19 15:54:14 just found pixlr.com Oct 19 15:54:20 anyone know why some image links don't load in a webview? Oct 19 15:54:21 no need for photoshop anymore... this is insane. Oct 19 15:54:29 im at work and was using gimp, which blows Oct 19 15:54:39 pandora--: i've noticed larger images dont load in webview Oct 19 15:54:44 as of this time, i've never found a resolution Oct 19 15:56:18 They really need to update support for mojo features... we have gimped support for canvas still Oct 19 15:57:05 we can only hope for better canvas support in 2.0 Oct 19 15:59:41 Webos 2 Lois interesting. Just needs a different device and I am sold. Oct 19 15:59:46 Looks Oct 19 16:01:07 well if verizon gets the pre 2, then maybe sprint will get the slate Oct 19 16:02:33 don't forget the devices HP annouced for 2011 Oct 19 16:02:39 Yea I don't want another pre. Oct 19 16:02:40 s/devices/phones Oct 19 16:03:26 I do! Oct 19 16:04:08 Need a phone with a larger screen Oct 19 16:04:09 want Pre 2! on Sprint... Oct 19 16:04:30 i want an HP printer with boob and fart apps Oct 19 16:04:34 I need a slate on sprint or my next device will be a touch pro 7 Oct 19 16:04:52 need a phonr that fits in my pocket Oct 19 16:04:59 Typing on the pre also made my finger tips hurt after a while Oct 19 16:05:11 evo is fine for that haeffb_pre i have big pockets Oct 19 16:05:15 HP announced new phones for 2011 . don't you remember .. that's not the pre 2 they are talking about, i'm pretty sure Oct 19 16:05:45 evo is too big for me Oct 19 16:05:53 epic might work Oct 19 16:05:54 i'm still waiting for the Treo 9000 Oct 19 16:06:27 Yeah, they killed treo Oct 19 16:06:31 and winmo Oct 19 16:06:34 or perhaps Preo Oct 19 16:07:08 I have the epic 4g. Great phone. Oct 19 16:07:47 seriously Oct 19 16:07:49 pixlr is crazy! Oct 19 16:07:53 one less software i need now. Oct 19 16:07:58 I liked the idea of HP lawyers getting the Pilot name back Oct 19 16:08:02 no more office, no more photoshop Oct 19 16:08:23 ok james Oct 19 16:08:35 take that to the I<3webapps channel Oct 19 16:08:46 :-) Oct 19 16:09:04 It's like Ares Oct 19 16:09:35 oh? too bad... Oct 19 16:09:39 Ares, is ok for light work, but cant replace a decent IDE/editor Oct 19 16:09:55 yet Oct 19 16:10:25 i like turtles Oct 19 16:10:58 logo for webos? Oct 19 16:11:10 #turtles, please Oct 19 16:11:18 One thing I found about sounds in webos... if you press play, you need to rewind the sounds. Oct 19 16:11:24 HP used to make an iPod... so I wonder if that will somehow allow them to add iTunes syncing back in a way that won't get broken Oct 19 16:11:55 I just .stop() and .play() sounds Oct 19 16:11:58 no rewind required Oct 19 16:12:41 right, but if you want to play the sound again Oct 19 16:12:45 you have to exit and then relaunch app. Oct 19 16:13:04 you're doing it wrong, then Oct 19 16:13:28 I have a single .wav in Yule Log that plays, stops, then plays again Oct 19 16:14:18 Interesting Oct 19 16:14:50 so much news Oct 19 16:15:01 now, there's about a second pause between the stop and the start, but that's because I didn't take the time to use 2 audio objects and start playing the second at the right time Oct 19 16:15:11 pilot would be a sweet name Oct 19 16:15:40 an oversight that MIGHT be fixed in an as-yet-unfinished update to the best-selling holiday fireplace app on webOS Oct 19 16:15:44 you guys think a webOS PMP would be a good foot in the door? Oct 19 16:15:46 there's like Oct 19 16:15:51 no decent competitor to the ipod touch Oct 19 16:15:52 yeah they should bring graffiti back too Oct 19 16:17:34 torchie, I know a lot of people that replaced their old palm pilots with iPod touches :( Oct 19 16:17:40 :( Oct 19 16:17:58 yeah that's what one of my friends did Oct 19 16:18:01 and now he's got an iphone Oct 19 16:18:15 they need to beef up the pim apps Oct 19 16:18:27 maybe make it so that tasks tells you to do things before they're due Oct 19 16:18:30 they = palm | apple ? Oct 19 16:18:41 palm Oct 19 16:19:18 tasks needs to be tied into the calendar, with an AI Oct 19 16:19:21 * sugardave tries to figure out PiTiVi. "This may take a while." Oct 19 16:19:37 "Hey you've got nothing scheduled for now, why don't you work on this?" Oct 19 16:20:04 I used tasks all the time on my pilot, but in the 6 months I've had my pre I've only put in some test entries Oct 19 16:20:58 Loudergood, if palm did that they could market it to the parents of college students ;) Oct 19 16:21:57 Sprint bastards: http://www.precentral.net/palm-sprint-pre-2-ask-sprint Oct 19 16:22:40 let's do it Oct 19 16:22:46 SPRIIIIIIIIIIIINT Oct 19 16:22:59 YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY REFUSED US THE PRIVLEDGE Oct 19 16:23:10 OF RECEIVING THE PRE PLUS Oct 19 16:23:31 but now we have an ULTIMATUM Oct 19 16:23:36 Anyone saw the video with webos 2 on pre 2 Oct 19 16:23:46 either you bring us the specifications of the SUPER DEVICE Oct 19 16:24:31 that'd be a pretty cool name for the next phone Oct 19 16:24:34 The Device Oct 19 16:25:16 I cannot post to their wall, facebook fail Oct 19 16:25:22 sprint heard of the news Oct 19 16:25:46 and they'll just trash all of the emails with "pre 2" in the subject Oct 19 16:25:59 and they'll release 10 more samsung android phones Oct 19 16:26:09 thanks sprint Oct 19 16:26:18 thanks a lot Oct 19 16:26:24 Sprint already announced they are all in on android Oct 19 16:26:30 this doesnt surprise me Oct 19 16:26:34 :( Oct 19 16:26:46 which means palm may have to embrace... Oct 19 16:26:50 ...t-mobile Oct 19 16:27:01 heckofamove Oct 19 16:27:17 Sprint has almost all Android Oct 19 16:27:19 I think sprint will come around with a strong showing Oct 19 16:27:21 But not many use Sprint... Oct 19 16:27:32 strong showing of what Oct 19 16:27:33 more and Oct 19 16:27:36 more android? Oct 19 16:27:42 I say we take hostages and kill one a day until sprint launches pre 2.... PAAAAALLLLLMMMMMM Oct 19 16:27:49 ok maybe not that extreme Oct 19 16:27:52 SPRIIIIIIIIIINT Oct 19 16:28:17 where is the release my pre marketing team on this Oct 19 16:29:13 sprint better have the super device Oct 19 16:29:42 * RagingMind is waiting for a palmpad Oct 19 16:29:43 has anyone else's webOS facebook just been opening pages to the actual site with every click Oct 19 16:29:48 Anyone know how to make a countdown ticker for webos? Oct 19 16:29:59 Can I use the javascript that normally powers a countdown? Oct 19 16:30:37 Nevermind, I will use the time picker Oct 19 16:30:53 I would guess using a javascript date object and a setInterval timer would work Oct 19 16:31:32 Yes Oct 19 16:42:03 okay, I suck....how do you "become a fan" of a facebook page so you can write on the damn wall? Oct 19 16:56:01 um Oct 19 16:56:04 you "like" it Oct 19 17:00:22 hmm Oct 19 17:10:32 AHHHHHH! Oct 19 17:10:40 hp webOS 2.0 on teh my developer portal! Oct 19 17:10:44 Yes it is Oct 19 17:10:52 *tear* Oct 19 17:11:35 my excitement is majorly tempered by the insane decision by Sprint to not carry the new phone, though Oct 19 17:11:40 I am excite! Oct 19 17:15:18 its quite bad that Sprint wont carry the device Oct 19 17:15:34 which Oct 19 17:15:42 which US carrier will get it? Oct 19 17:15:44 pre 2 Oct 19 17:15:46 verizon Oct 19 17:15:53 bummer Oct 19 17:16:16 are you on sprint? Oct 19 17:16:18 when? Oct 19 17:16:30 * dohtem is back on T-Mobile :) Oct 19 17:16:33 we don't know when, exactly yet Oct 19 17:16:35 I think Oct 19 17:18:26 so is this NDA business over? Oct 19 17:19:34 dohtem: I don't think so, but I wouldn't know Oct 19 17:19:51 yeah it doesn't look like it Oct 19 17:20:27 be handy if there was an NDA friendly chat-room...hard to implement though Oct 19 17:22:17 Loudergood: I've seen that mentioned a few times...would be good, I think Oct 19 17:22:36 I'm hoping there's a flood of wiki stuff to webos101 once the NDA is off Oct 19 17:23:00 * Loudergood adds nda friendly wiki to the list ;) Oct 19 17:23:06 heh Oct 19 17:25:50 jamesderektate: we don't know for sure that sprint won't get it Oct 19 17:26:07 we only know that Verizon has been the only place it's been announced to go Oct 19 17:29:14 * haeffb_pre wonders if radio replacement from Pre is possible... Oct 19 17:29:30 halfhalo: I'm guardedly optimistic that yes Oct 19 17:29:32 Imagine if they did more ads with that ghostly pale lady from the old commercials Oct 19 17:29:37 heh Oct 19 17:29:45 er... haeffb_pre Oct 19 17:33:09 dohtem: get her a jersey shore spray tan and some snookie hair, instant success! Oct 19 17:33:23 lol Oct 19 17:33:31 haeffb_pre: I recall someone hacking their Pre to switch carriers. awhile ago Oct 19 17:34:22 yes, but Pre2 may have a different radio/configuration. Oct 19 17:39:32 anyone else feel like protesting to sprint that we will leave them for verizon if they don't put pre 2 on sprint? Oct 19 17:40:04 i would, but it wouldn't really matter Oct 19 17:41:18 they are kicking ass with the Evo. Dunno if they would care as much as we want them to Oct 19 17:41:55 screw droid, f'n limited OS's Oct 19 17:43:25 Sprint wont care if we say anything Oct 19 17:43:28 So if SFR gets the Pre 2 running 2.0 this Friday... When do US carriers get 2.0? Oct 19 17:43:44 Verizon is near future Oct 19 17:44:06 CTLAdvance: Sprint -would- care if a lot of people threatened to cancel their accounts over not getting the new webOS phones though, since they're still constantly losing customers and need everyone they can get Oct 19 17:44:17 oh huh, that's a Pre2 on the developer portal, too Oct 19 17:44:39 what things would we lose in the webos land if we were to switch to verizon? tethering, etc... Oct 19 17:44:43 (A friend of mine wanted to cancel a family plan with Sprint, and they ended up bending over backwards to drop a line and add a 40% discount just to get them to stay) Oct 19 17:44:46 SineOtter: the only people that will really care are a relatively small community of power users and developers Oct 19 17:44:49 xbonesx: working GPS lol Oct 19 17:44:51 SineOtter, not as many people will leave sprint, just webOS Oct 19 17:44:54 They know that Oct 19 17:45:03 only the fanboys will switch at this point Oct 19 17:45:05 xbonesx: but you get mobile hotspot :) Oct 19 17:45:18 exactly maik Oct 19 17:45:33 dohtem: and a mysterious bump up on your data billing per month with no explination :p Oct 19 17:45:40 sigh Oct 19 17:45:44 we're still fighting that :( Oct 19 17:46:19 didnt they settle with the FCC for millions on fradulent data charges Oct 19 17:46:22 for some reason they keep bumping the data from a 29$ plan which is normal to a 43$ plan Oct 19 17:47:34 and yeah, they settled, but the lame thing is if you got overcharged, you get a credit on your account for a whopping 6 dollars Oct 19 17:47:36 SineOtter: working gps? Oct 19 17:47:54 xbonesx: Verizon broke aGPS on webOS, so it's -slowwwwwwwwwwww- Oct 19 17:48:39 except when using vzw navigator, right Oct 19 17:48:45 oh... not to worried about that, more concerned about tethering Oct 19 17:48:50 side by side, my sprint Pixi will lock to my nearly exact location in about... 5 seconds, but her verizon Pre takes about 8 or 9 minutes to get past the "well you're somewhere in this 4 block area Oct 19 17:49:39 I wonder if the palm name will stay on anything Oct 19 17:49:42 not that it matters to me Oct 19 17:49:57 I don't care about the name so much as the quality of the software and hardware Oct 19 17:50:06 I think it'll stay on the hardware Oct 19 17:50:09 I just thought to myself, "I haven't said anything in IRC in a while" Oct 19 17:50:29 SineOtter: I would disagree with you Oct 19 17:50:56 hm? Oct 19 17:51:11 SineOtter: about the hardware, everything is becoming hp Oct 19 17:51:17 well I mean within reason: Palm Phones, HP WebOS. Oct 19 17:51:17 HP Touchstone Charging Dock Oct 19 17:51:28 Yeah, but I think Palm will just kind of become iPaq 2.0 Oct 19 17:51:31 it's called that on Palm's site Oct 19 17:51:34 alexfner: I see HP webOS now on the dev portal Oct 19 17:51:41 is true Oct 19 17:52:14 as in that it's an HP Charging Dock for your iPaq phone (except iPaq = Palm) Oct 19 17:52:24 that's absurd Oct 19 17:52:29 and would just confuse the consumer Oct 19 17:52:40 I'd say in a half a year it will all be hp by then Oct 19 17:52:46 do they still make iPaqs? Oct 19 17:52:58 they did, until they killed them off and bought Palm Oct 19 17:53:12 about time Oct 19 17:53:28 at least the phone iPaqs Oct 19 17:53:34 They still sell them from what I can see Oct 19 17:53:36 I think they might still have some PDA iPaqs kicking aroun Oct 19 17:54:18 chuqui: I implore you to fight to retain the simplicity of the palm developer portal as it transitions to the hp developer portal :) Oct 19 17:54:28 and these are all my words, not yours :) Oct 19 17:55:38 is the tethering free on verizon? Oct 19 17:57:49 anyone listen to this american life? Oct 19 17:58:24 yeah Oct 19 17:58:26 hell yeah Oct 19 17:58:40 * dohtem subscribes to their podcast Oct 19 17:58:42 wow, watching these precentral videos on this on a live device is kind of underwhelming Oct 19 17:58:54 on 2.0? Oct 19 17:58:57 yes Oct 19 17:59:11 Precentral has video of 2.0 on the preproduction pre 2 Oct 19 17:59:25 not really worth the wasted upgrade would if it were on sprint? Oct 19 17:59:52 dohtem: yeah, I am listening to the last 2 shows that I didn't get to hear right now Oct 19 18:00:25 I am so backed up. I have 20 + shows to listen to Oct 19 18:00:31 geeze! Oct 19 18:00:35 heh Oct 19 18:00:39 I dont know if it would be worth it Oct 19 18:00:56 if you like this american life, you should check out RadioLab Oct 19 18:01:15 Its not worth it if you base on hardware, so software is what needs to grab it Oct 19 18:05:50 dohtem: I have listened to radiolab :) Oct 19 18:06:30 any good podcasts you wanna recommend? :) Oct 19 18:08:21 you listened to the radiolab about the monkey that grew up with humans? Oct 19 18:09:58 ha! that was the first one I listened to. Oct 19 18:10:32 http://www.radiolab.org/2010/feb/19/lucy/ - this ? Oct 19 18:10:38 did you listen to the this american life/pro publica report about Magnitar? Oct 19 18:10:51 it was about the hedge fund magnitar Oct 19 18:11:05 yeah lucy Oct 19 18:11:06 CTLAdvance: 2.0 will likely run on existing HW Oct 19 18:11:08 good episode Oct 19 18:11:13 nope Oct 19 18:11:24 yeah per their release they will have doctors soon Oct 19 18:11:32 for VZW? Oct 19 18:11:32 2.0 better run on existing HW :B my Pixi needs Hybrid apps Oct 19 18:11:40 but, not sure if that is before or after verizon launches Oct 19 18:11:48 most likely a few months after Oct 19 18:12:07 per their news release Oct 19 18:12:11 CTLAdvance: where are you seeing that they'll have doctors soon? Oct 19 18:12:23 will 2.0 not be an OTA and be a tethered update only? Oct 19 18:12:24 It was on their news release if I am not mistaken Oct 19 18:12:25 alexfner: you hear the one about the kidnapped kids that some vigilante guy found in mexico? Oct 19 18:12:32 if not, then I am mistaken Oct 19 18:12:36 dohtem: yeah, a great episode Oct 19 18:12:37 let me reread it Oct 19 18:12:49 alexfner: listened to that twice... crazy Oct 19 18:13:00 dohtem: listening about how wall streeters are angry with the government when the government saved their asses Oct 19 18:13:16 dohtem: on this american life Oct 19 18:13:26 * dohtem takes his Zune out. Oct 19 18:14:30 zune! Oct 19 18:14:53 dohtem: the propublica/this american life report on magnitar explains CDOs, Credit default swaps, and how this hedge took advantage of the system Oct 19 18:15:09 chuqui: is Palms official position that we should contact Sprint re Pre 2? Oct 19 18:15:46 haeffb_pre: that's quite a pickle of a question to ask :D Oct 19 18:15:55 hey guys Oct 19 18:15:57 palm pre 2 Oct 19 18:15:58 CTLAdvance: skimming the release, I don't see any mention of it-But if you visit the softwareupdate page they mention in the release, it shows the Pre and Pixi on the side, so... Maybe? I don't know Oct 19 18:16:13 unlocked Pre 2 at a substantial discount! what is that? Oct 19 18:16:18 I searched for my "HP Emulator" then realized it's still called the "Palm Emulator" :D Oct 19 18:16:22 Yeah just looking that myself Oct 19 18:16:25 HEY DID ANYTHING HAPPEN TODAY? Oct 19 18:16:26 seems I was mistaken Oct 19 18:16:27 Nyceane! Oct 19 18:16:34 so looks like no love for us Oct 19 18:16:36 dohtem! Oct 19 18:16:45 alexfner: I'll listen to that one today Oct 19 18:16:45 webos 2.0 hot app! Oct 19 18:16:48 I could have swore I read that Oct 19 18:16:57 I must just want it too badly Oct 19 18:17:02 funkatron: yeah, oil futures are up Oct 19 18:17:08 I'm going to assume that since the 2.0 page shows the Pre and Pixi right there at the top, it's going to come to older hardware Oct 19 18:17:10 nice Oct 19 18:17:23 I think that's a good assumption, SineOtter Oct 19 18:17:25 but when, who knows! Oct 19 18:17:29 hopefully sooner rather than later Oct 19 18:17:34 alexfner: easy to ask...pickle to answer Oct 19 18:18:08 It's called HP webOS 2.0 now =_= Oct 19 18:18:10 whatever Oct 19 18:18:14 I'm going to contact sprint anyways and complain about it Oct 19 18:18:17 yeah the palm name is going out the window Oct 19 18:18:23 which you gotta be okay with Oct 19 18:18:26 since i need to contact them anyways because they set the wrong line as the primary :C Oct 19 18:18:26 or get out! Oct 19 18:18:26 hey, at least it's not called "Out of business webOS 2.0" Oct 19 18:18:28 :D Oct 19 18:18:33 is it gona be called hp pre 2 soon? Oct 19 18:18:36 funkatron: that's the werd Oct 19 18:18:41 from palm's facebook page: "Thanks for the feedback, everyone! We really appreciate it. Carriers in the United States determine which phones they offer their subscribers. If you'd like Sprint to carry a new Palm webOS phone, let them know. They have a contact page on their corporate website, and a fan page here on Facebook: Oct 19 18:18:43 http://www.sprint.com/contactus/ Oct 19 18:18:45 http://www.facebook.com/sprint" Oct 19 18:18:52 @chuq: Palm on Sprint Pre 2: Ask Sprint:  Not unsurprisingly, there's a bit of consternation among the webOS faithful tha... http://bit.ly/bUday6 Oct 19 18:18:56 They should keep palm... I wont be able to say lets check my palm any more Oct 19 18:18:58 no the hp vzw2015US Oct 19 18:19:08 now its let me check my headpalm Oct 19 18:19:08 that's for verizon Oct 19 18:19:10 for sprint Oct 19 18:19:17 it's called the HP SPR2015US Oct 19 18:19:19 is it gona support 4G network? Oct 19 18:19:33 for AT&T, it's called the HP ATT2015US Oct 19 18:19:50 ...well that joke was a flop Oct 19 18:19:58 fooled me Oct 19 18:20:01 I am not sure how many people actually think sprint will care Oct 19 18:20:14 if enough people ask they probably will Oct 19 18:20:22 I am sure they would be happy to sell you an evo or an epic Oct 19 18:20:27 but sales are what matters. Oct 19 18:20:32 if you cal cancellation they may even discount it Oct 19 18:20:51 they wont get a device for 10k people Oct 19 18:21:00 if they dont see it being sold Oct 19 18:21:11 to enough people Oct 19 18:21:15 CTLAdvance: well 10k signatures, every person represents 1 million people, so that's 10 MILLION people!?! Oct 19 18:21:30 yes, and 10 + 13 = 23 Oct 19 18:21:35 23 Oct 19 18:21:38 hahah Oct 19 18:21:43 (bad math) :D Oct 19 18:21:50 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/hp-debuts-palm-pre-2-room-for-four-in-the-smartphone-market/19030?tag=nl.e589 Oct 19 18:21:55 10,000 * 1million != 10million Oct 19 18:22:05 hey, as long as we can get a phone at very cheap price Oct 19 18:22:07 not sure if thats been posted here yet Oct 19 18:22:59 just looked in the webs Oct 19 18:23:04 everything's HP palm! Oct 19 18:23:09 Bmyers: useless commentary, he somehow compares mobile platforms to wireless carriers Oct 19 18:23:25 Bmyers: all the questions in that article will be answered in 2-5 years Oct 19 18:23:27 on par for zdnet then Oct 19 18:23:33 or 2-10 years Oct 19 18:23:35 heh Oct 19 18:23:37 yeah Oct 19 18:25:00 * haeffb_pre sent my email to Sprint. Oct 19 18:25:46 Will you be carrying new webOS phones or do I need to switch carriers? Oct 19 18:25:53 I would like to send an email to sprint, but if they had the pre 2 I would have to buy it at full price, and I can't afford it Oct 19 18:25:59 cause my contract is not near Oct 19 18:26:15 oil got my cables Oct 19 18:26:25 should email dan.hesse@sprint.com Oct 19 18:26:25 1.5f one seems to work going to plug it in now Oct 19 18:26:39 send it anyhow. tell them you will switch when contract up Oct 19 18:27:08 sprint is a lot cheaper than verizon per se Oct 19 18:27:19 they need to be flooded with emails TODAY Oct 19 18:27:22 a LOT cheaper Oct 19 18:27:36 our plan with 3 lines is about 40$ cheaper than a verizon plan with 2 lines Oct 19 18:27:37 it's sad Oct 19 18:27:39 someone make an email spammer app Oct 19 18:27:45 the DAY HP announces 2.0 Oct 19 18:27:52 and we can all load it and send 10000000 emails Oct 19 18:28:11 i want pre2 on sprint ! Oct 19 18:28:31 sprint better get the super device Oct 19 18:28:34 iWinRar: tell sprint Oct 19 18:28:41 ill tell them alright Oct 19 18:28:46 I've got 75 upgrade bux and some extra cash Oct 19 18:28:50 and my damned earpiece is broken Oct 19 18:28:52 torchie: tell sprint Oct 19 18:29:15 everybody: tell sprint Oct 19 18:29:23 how do i do this Oct 19 18:29:29 can i email Oct 19 18:29:37 dohtem: another this american life: in california you can sue under the americans with disabilities act for money, so this guy goes around and sues people to make a living. He doesn't have a job or anything except suing to make money Oct 19 18:29:39 they have the Internet Oct 19 18:30:29 you login to your sprint account...there's an email link at bottom Oct 19 18:30:31 oil 6 foot one works aswell with the phone and wall charger, no clue about touch stone but i figure it wouldl be fine. plus i got another wallcharger and orginal cable for free Oct 19 18:30:44 alexfner: yeah, I caught that one. A few businesses around me have actually been hit by that guy. He gets someone in a wheelchair he will "represent" and then goes around suing mom and pop stores. Oct 19 18:31:13 I commented on the Sprint facebook (tons ofpeople have apparently) and I'm emailing that Oct 19 18:31:14 oh not this guy is legitimately handicapped Oct 19 18:31:25 oh Oct 19 18:31:51 dohtem: maybe not, I am listening to it now :D Oct 19 18:32:06 dohtem oh you were right :D Oct 19 18:32:32 heh Oct 19 18:32:46 hey Oct 19 18:33:17 so if i have a phone, and i go get a new plan Oct 19 18:33:22 do i get discounts? Oct 19 18:33:42 are you in France? Oct 19 18:33:43 :) Oct 19 18:36:10 US Oct 19 18:36:14 email dan.hesse@sprint.com? Oct 19 18:36:22 precentral has been busy lol Oct 19 18:37:13 dan.hesse@sprint.com should be fine and what ever their contact us email is Oct 19 18:43:58 precentral is going nuts Oct 19 18:44:04 it's gonna reach maximum overdrive Oct 19 18:44:37 i think we should gather all sprint email addresses and send an email to all of them Oct 19 18:49:27 we need a sprint insider to give us a GAL list Oct 19 18:49:35 or GAL extract Oct 19 18:50:17 hi Oct 19 18:50:21 hello Oct 19 18:50:37 just joined, what you are talking about? Oct 19 18:50:53 a plan from the darkside? Oct 19 18:50:55 :) Oct 19 18:51:00 porn Oct 19 18:51:05 minecraft on webos Oct 19 18:51:06 i mean a way to spam sprint Oct 19 18:51:09 oh Oct 19 18:51:12 nm Oct 19 18:51:17 minecraft on webos ftw Oct 19 18:51:22 ^_^ Oct 19 18:51:33 howdy all Oct 19 18:51:36 doubt it would happen tho... cant even play on a netbook Oct 19 18:51:38 stupid java Oct 19 18:52:04 is mine craft comin to webos? Oct 19 18:52:09 would be sick Oct 19 18:52:11 so would doom Oct 19 18:52:15 only in my wettest dreams Oct 19 18:52:19 doom already on webos Oct 19 18:52:24 quake too, for that matter Oct 19 18:52:27 only in Mousey's wettest dreams Oct 19 18:52:38 * Mousey wahs Oct 19 18:54:16 ah ok so assumed right, iWinRar Oct 19 18:54:34 ah you are americans, nice, gotta small question: Oct 19 18:54:41 yes Oct 19 18:54:45 what is ths minecraft? Oct 19 18:54:48 " You may want to write about our project in your blog or on your website. " Oct 19 18:55:03 minecraft is the best sandbox game ever Oct 19 18:55:07 is this right, as a german i have problems with at/on /in Oct 19 18:55:08 because it is truely a sandbox game Oct 19 18:55:16 which project? Oct 19 18:55:38 iWinRar: is it well written english? Oct 19 18:56:11 iWinRar: a app about the status of the entrance door of the chaos computer club and connected lan clients. Oct 19 18:56:11 you may want to write about your project on your blog and/or webiste Oct 19 18:56:32 would be the way id word it Oct 19 18:56:38 website* Oct 19 18:56:41 heh, the CCC. That's the same one in the cuckoo book, right? Oct 19 18:57:04 the cult? Oct 19 18:57:24 doom on webos, really? Oct 19 18:57:25 where? Oct 19 18:57:26 got it - http://www.amazon.com/Cuckoos-Egg-Tracking-Computer-Espionage/dp/0743411463 Oct 19 18:57:35 ah Oct 19 18:57:37 read that years ago. Oct 19 18:57:42 i thought about cult of dead cow Oct 19 18:57:47 hackerspace in texas Oct 19 18:57:51 afaik Oct 19 18:57:55 okie dokie Oct 19 18:58:02 it's on google's search... Oct 19 18:58:43 doom was on webos in the 1st month Oct 19 18:58:48 yep, i see it Oct 19 18:58:50 not sure how good it was but it was there Oct 19 18:58:53 not in the store tho Oct 19 18:58:57 oh no Oct 19 18:59:27 dohtem: seems so, but i never read the book Oct 19 19:00:01 great read Oct 19 19:00:13 hallo leiru Oct 19 19:00:42 hey swiss Oct 19 19:02:50 iWinRar: thanks for helping. Oct 19 19:03:06 doom is on preware, i see it Oct 19 19:03:34 np Oct 19 19:08:22 Interesting Oct 19 19:08:29 Some people are reporting Ares-built apps not working in 1.4.0? Oct 19 19:08:31 hhmm Oct 19 19:08:39 hmm? Oct 19 19:08:42 I don't have a problem with 1.4.5, but some comments from the people buying them state they won't work Oct 19 19:08:52 I'm not sure what to do, since I can't tell the version number Oct 19 19:08:53 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Journal-Confirms-New-Verizon-15-Smartphone-Plan-110978 Oct 19 19:09:05 I set the minimum version compatbility to 1.4.0 Oct 19 19:11:21 Oh well Oct 19 19:11:46 dohtem: this is what makes this american life great, they pull you one way, and then pull you back to the other side Oct 19 19:12:26 dohtem: that story about the guy who uses the ADA rules in california to make money, then they highlight a woman and others who have suffered at the hands of people who remove accessability Oct 19 19:14:04 heyo Oct 19 19:14:43 hey there Oct 19 19:15:44 hey everybody! So what do you think about the palm pre 2, and more importantly webOS 2.0? Oct 19 19:15:56 webos 2.0 = yay Oct 19 19:16:02 pre 2 = who knows, we dont have one yet Oct 19 19:16:11 well Oct 19 19:16:19 pre 2 - awesome, but not the super device Oct 19 19:16:20 well, it says subsidized Oct 19 19:16:22 glass screen might be worth it IF it improves sensitivity Oct 19 19:16:24 i'd like a device Oct 19 19:16:31 not too keen on glass screen Oct 19 19:16:34 just something to shatter Oct 19 19:16:52 we'll see what the "substantial discount for qualified developers" entails Oct 19 19:17:18 also not on sprint Oct 19 19:17:24 if i can pick an unlocked phone up for ~250 i probably will Oct 19 19:17:26 also no front facing camera or gyroscope Oct 19 19:17:29 or unicorn blood Oct 19 19:18:04 I'm betting the dev phones will be more like $400 Oct 19 19:18:07 but I'm speculating Oct 19 19:18:13 Question... Just updated an app. Oct 19 19:18:17 The current version stays live, right? Oct 19 19:18:17 I think the palm pre 2 has a very rude concurrence... Galaxy S, iPhone 4 has better hardware! Oct 19 19:18:19 codeslaw: unfortunately the sensitivity issue is partly in the code, with the drag radius being hard coded Oct 19 19:18:27 And then the approved new version will replace the previous version? Oct 19 19:18:31 drag radius is one thing Oct 19 19:18:35 but yeah Oct 19 19:18:38 but overall poll frequency is another Oct 19 19:18:39 generally, the sensitivity is rubbish Oct 19 19:18:50 it is Oct 19 19:18:55 jamesderektate: yes Oct 19 19:18:57 so there is an issue with the sensitivity? Oct 19 19:19:04 Great Oct 19 19:19:10 codeslaw: the pre screen is relatively sensative Oct 19 19:19:12 I thought it was the drag radius + no hardware acceleration Oct 19 19:19:17 I am having more success with webos store than iOS store. Oct 19 19:19:22 it's a combination of things stacked on top of each other Oct 19 19:19:25 But I believe that is because there are more apps on iOS Oct 19 19:19:32 since angry birds is smooth as butter but choppy when you actually drag the view Oct 19 19:19:47 opps Oct 19 19:19:51 is the plastic overlay what caused sensitivity issues? :( Oct 19 19:19:55 compaired to plastic which will crack?? torchie? Oct 19 19:19:59 torchie: who knows Oct 19 19:19:59 just finished my @fronttrends presentation "you know webOS" ... made with HTML/CSS/Javascript Oct 19 19:20:01 all depends what kind of glass they use Oct 19 19:20:18 iwinrar - crack on the edges? Oct 19 19:20:32 swisstomcat: great. now finish mine! Oct 19 19:20:33 the touch interaction, be it a result of hardware or software, has NEVER been as smooth and buttery as an iphone Oct 19 19:20:33 the screen can crack aswell which it has done for some Oct 19 19:20:39 yeah Oct 19 19:20:44 it's a real frustration, I feel Oct 19 19:20:52 like when I hold a 2nd gen ipod touch it's like Oct 19 19:20:52 haeffb: i can give you the basic layout Oct 19 19:20:53 oh my god Oct 19 19:21:05 the flat screen i can see helping some things Oct 19 19:21:14 got my form-letter response back from Sprint Oct 19 19:21:15 codeslaw: how so? Oct 19 19:21:19 touch related i figure Oct 19 19:21:25 sugardave: go on... Oct 19 19:21:28 what did they sugar dave? Oct 19 19:21:32 oh, no. I need content, not layout... Oct 19 19:21:37 small but percievable latencies Oct 19 19:21:43 "Thank you for your interest in the Plam Pre 2. Oct 19 19:21:43 Since this device is not available to our customers, I am unable provide Oct 19 19:21:43 the details you requested. If Sprint offers it in the future, you will Oct 19 19:21:43 find product and pricing details on Sprint.com and in promotional Oct 19 19:21:43 information at our retail stores. We encourage you to watch news reports Oct 19 19:21:45 or monitor our web site to see if a change in availability occurs. Oct 19 19:21:48 Once again thank you for contacting Sprint." Oct 19 19:21:51 there's a orm letter? Oct 19 19:21:58 I just emailed dan.hesse from my pre :o Oct 19 19:21:59 sugardave: blah, blah Oct 19 19:22:02 drag radius plays a big role Oct 19 19:22:04 i think palm has done a marketing mistake with the palm pre 2... they should have skip this hardware and release the next one with a mature webOS 2.0 to create buzz... Oct 19 19:22:15 codeslaw: well I you're mostly talking about drag radius Oct 19 19:22:16 yeah Oct 19 19:22:22 haeffb: well, what are you going to talk about? Oct 19 19:22:23 but the "easing" used for dragging lists in webos makes it feel a little bit sluggish Oct 19 19:22:28 but check this Oct 19 19:22:31 like on the launcher pages, the perception is that it isn't as smooth Oct 19 19:22:31 I think that palm/sprint should just come out with the SUPER DEVICE Oct 19 19:22:36 release the specifications Oct 19 19:22:52 and this is due to the drag radius Oct 19 19:22:59 i think sprint needs the pre2 to hold people from going insane until the super device comes out Oct 19 19:22:59 if you swipe your finger across the screen on webos and draw a dot at every interval that it registers Oct 19 19:23:03 and do the same on an iphone Oct 19 19:23:10 if webOS doesnt get its act together by this time next year, it's over Oct 19 19:23:16 the launcher is so derpy choppy Oct 19 19:23:17 but the HP webOS devices should be legit Oct 19 19:23:23 the iphone registers like 40% more coordinates Oct 19 19:23:27 jamesderektate: that's just not accurate Oct 19 19:23:34 probably alpha blending + no hardware accel Oct 19 19:23:36 i agree Oct 19 19:23:36 why not? Oct 19 19:23:38 It has a chance to make an impact Oct 19 19:23:39 what about the tablet? Oct 19 19:23:39 this is not a 2 year war Oct 19 19:23:48 what about the printers? Oct 19 19:23:49 jamesderektate what do you mean its act together? Oct 19 19:23:56 it's not like mobile is suddenly going to stop being irrelevant Oct 19 19:24:04 it's going to grow immensely Oct 19 19:24:06 as in.. release more phones Oct 19 19:24:10 the problem isn't mobile becoming irrelevant Oct 19 19:24:14 the windows of opportunity is not closed yet ... the market is going to grow and grow Oct 19 19:24:18 window Oct 19 19:24:18 Palm needs like a 10% marketshare Oct 19 19:24:21 it's everyone and their mom defecting to android Oct 19 19:24:26 I went around manhattan (my home) and asked AT&T Oct 19 19:24:34 and it becoming the new windows Oct 19 19:24:37 they sell about 2 Palm Pres every 3-4 days Oct 19 19:24:58 so that is about 20 palm pres in midtown manahttan a week Oct 19 19:25:03 Not bad, but definitely not where we should be. Oct 19 19:25:09 true Oct 19 19:25:17 but many people don't have a smartphone yet, neither a tablet Oct 19 19:25:19 However, it's still BIG compared to crap feature phones Oct 19 19:25:22 Right, i agree Oct 19 19:25:24 or a printer with apps Oct 19 19:25:34 does anyone really want a printer with apps and crap Oct 19 19:25:36 I mean Oct 19 19:25:37 printers? Oct 19 19:25:40 why not? Oct 19 19:25:43 printers? Oct 19 19:25:47 i can see some apps for printers Oct 19 19:25:48 just doesn't seem like where the sex is Oct 19 19:26:06 of course not but you'll have the same app ecosystem for 3 types of devices Oct 19 19:26:08 oh... there's sex on a printer Oct 19 19:26:10 TRUST ME Oct 19 19:26:12 like the printer effort could be scrapped to use that R&D/cash on a tablet made of unicorn tears and moon stones Oct 19 19:26:43 +1 Oct 19 19:26:47 torchie: that's not the point, we've been over this hundreds of times. The point of webOS on printers is HP doesn't pay licensing to microsoft, and they can integrate their own ecosystem into the printers easier with complete control over the OS Oct 19 19:27:03 it makes sense for HP to replace their current touchscreen printer with a webos version Oct 19 19:27:13 hp has to pay microsoft on licensing for their printers? Oct 19 19:27:34 it's probably linux already but with a different, hp specific SDK Oct 19 19:27:39 doesn't it make sense to use webOS Oct 19 19:27:40 ? Oct 19 19:27:59 and as a developer, you can offer apps there too .. made with the same sdk as for phones,tablets Oct 19 19:28:20 I think the printers use a highly modified version of Windows CE or XP embedded Oct 19 19:28:21 the more places u can sell ur app the better Oct 19 19:28:24 but not soon Oct 19 19:28:24 windows CE Oct 19 19:28:38 their printers all use windows CE, for the most part Oct 19 19:28:45 i'm not sure devs will be exited for printers/toasters Oct 19 19:28:48 which they have to pay for Oct 19 19:28:50 yeah Oct 19 19:28:56 webOS fridge Oct 19 19:29:07 i want a webos toaster in which i can burn whatever image into the toast Oct 19 19:29:21 I want a webOS fridge where I can control the temperature from my webOS phone Oct 19 19:29:31 me toooooo Oct 19 19:29:51 how often do you want to change the temperature on your fridge Oct 19 19:29:57 i want a webos fridge in which i can lock the fridge from my phone Oct 19 19:30:31 a webos dishwasher where I can monitor the cleanliness of the dishes through an embedded camera streaming the video of the washing to me Oct 19 19:30:43 you'll see nothing but suds! Oct 19 19:30:44 even now the hp printers with touchscreen have apps Oct 19 19:30:56 e.g for printing coloring templates for kids Oct 19 19:31:00 directly on the printer Oct 19 19:31:08 i'm sure devs can come up with cool ideas Oct 19 19:31:10 connect the dots! Oct 19 19:31:19 as cool as the ideas are, I dunno man Oct 19 19:31:19 seeing how much ink you have on your printer Oct 19 19:31:21 from the store Oct 19 19:31:22 printers Oct 19 19:31:26 I do not think printers will get access to the application catalog Oct 19 19:31:29 so u know when u need more ink Oct 19 19:31:30 maybe a small subset Oct 19 19:31:35 they already do Oct 19 19:31:36 with mostly hp supplied applications Oct 19 19:31:44 why not? Oct 19 19:31:47 that you can pay for and download Oct 19 19:31:54 of course you only see the apps that are available for printers Oct 19 19:31:55 a gps system on the phone that if ur at the store it will tell you that u NEED ink or papaer Oct 19 19:31:59 that auto-subscribe, download and print the "men's magazine" of your choice idea is a good one Oct 19 19:32:01 so u dont have to make an extra trip Oct 19 19:32:02 doesn't make sense to have angry birds on your printer Oct 19 19:32:09 ...print Oct 19 19:32:11 a magazine Oct 19 19:32:20 print porn .. there you go! Oct 19 19:32:22 i want need for speed on my printer Oct 19 19:32:24 but Oct 19 19:32:27 we have the ipad now Oct 19 19:32:34 i dont have the ipad now Oct 19 19:32:38 so speak for yourself Oct 19 19:32:42 i don't have the ipad Oct 19 19:32:46 you know what I mean Oct 19 19:32:56 of course the tablet is much more interesting Oct 19 19:33:00 than the printer .. but still Oct 19 19:33:06 I want a webos in-car system Oct 19 19:33:08 iWinRar: the hole on the touchstone is too small for the cable i got from monoprice Oct 19 19:33:10 yes, tablet is what I really want to play with Oct 19 19:33:12 with all the finally-plausible lightweight tablets coming out, how often do we have to Oct 19 19:33:17 print out articles from the internet Oct 19 19:33:21 to take them with us Oct 19 19:33:27 oil: have to shave the plastic Oct 19 19:33:31 depends on the person Oct 19 19:33:39 some people still like to print out things Oct 19 19:33:43 oil the one i got seems like it would work, i got a mm or 2 from my phone to the cable Oct 19 19:33:52 I mean I did it in high school since I couldn't exactly have a computer out in class Oct 19 19:34:07 torchie: what if some guy doesn't want his wife to see his current copy of "Big 'Uns" on his tablet? Oct 19 19:34:58 if i had a touch stone id check but i dont Oct 19 19:35:00 sugardave, so she'd wind up finding the printed copy under the mattress instead? Oct 19 19:35:26 removing your copy of "big 'uns:" Oct 19 19:35:47 RagingMind: then he's just a moron Oct 19 19:36:00 (printed media) - take out zippo while nobody's around, light it on fire, hope nobody sees Oct 19 19:36:20 (digital media) - press delete Oct 19 19:37:06 GoML Software might have to get in the business of teaching wives how to find the porn in webOS Oct 19 19:37:09 hmmmm..... Oct 19 19:38:11 precentral sucks. can't start a thread in "homebrew apps" - want to post a picture that shows the error message, something like " you are not allowed " Oct 19 19:38:19 in the precentral feedback Oct 19 19:38:21 then... Oct 19 19:38:25 you need more posts Oct 19 19:38:27 To be able to post links or images your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 1 posts. Oct 19 19:38:28 or something Oct 19 19:38:30 gnaah Oct 19 19:39:29 *think* .oO( just write 10 spammy posts, but wheres the sense ) Oct 19 19:40:18 just find 10 homebrew apps you like or dislike and put a one-liner in their thread Oct 19 19:40:35 "Thanks!" or "Lame!" Oct 19 19:40:39 haha ya posting minimums are stupid Oct 19 19:40:58 cheap attempt at "qualifying" Oct 19 19:41:21 or the every popular app review... Oct 19 19:41:22 maybe they should make it so you can look at pictures without registering Oct 19 19:41:25 "First!!" Oct 19 19:42:51 second Oct 19 19:44:30 swisstomcat: whatever you write, I guess... Oct 19 19:44:46 SECOND! Oct 19 19:47:20 Okay, I found a way to play sounds without making a rewind button (even though it's convenient...) Oct 19 19:47:39 A simple loop to test whether the button has been pressed previously, and then an if/else to toggle on currentTime Oct 19 19:51:48 totally crappy Oct 19 19:52:24 i have to ask for developer access to homebrew apps Oct 19 19:52:57 oh, you want to add a new homebrew app? Yeah, you need the bit flipped on your account Oct 19 19:53:36 thought that would be easier. Oct 19 19:53:44 some kind of disappointed now :/ Oct 19 20:02:52 http://www.everythingpre.com/rumor-palm-pre-2-launch-scheduled-for-november-11th/2010/10/19/ - hmm. Oct 19 20:04:28 "The Liar Show" Oct 19 20:04:29 :/ Oct 19 20:04:38 wtf? Oct 19 20:04:40 the liar show? Oct 19 20:05:10 http://palm.regsvc.com/palmdevday Oct 19 20:05:18 the agenda for the 19th Oct 19 20:05:19 have any of you dealt with webview and the pageProperties object? Oct 19 20:05:23 I bring you something completely unrelated Oct 19 20:05:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rIguM71LQI Oct 19 20:05:51 oil do you have a dremel? Oct 19 20:06:09 if he does, I bet it's all oily Oct 19 20:06:17 and hard to hold Oct 19 20:06:17 probably lol Oct 19 20:06:19 what self-respecting geek doesn't? Oct 19 20:06:39 why dont u just get a few cables from monoprice and grind it down? Oct 19 20:06:49 sounds like a pain in the ass Oct 19 20:07:01 oil Oct 19 20:07:06 i hear you might be attending dev day Oct 19 20:07:09 i got the 24g the ends are pretty thick, and i dont know exactly how the touch stone gets plugged into Oct 19 20:07:11 i am Oct 19 20:07:13 poor college student self respecting geeks don't have dremels Oct 19 20:07:19 webosworld Oct 19 20:07:28 says you MIGHT be Oct 19 20:07:31 who do i believe? Oct 19 20:07:32 well i am Oct 19 20:07:47 thats what HE thinks! Oct 19 20:08:36 if i show up to an empty room, ill be very disappointed Oct 19 20:08:42 "We've secretly replaced oil with a new corn-based alternative. Let's see if anyone notices." Oct 19 20:08:46 now i ccan put preware on my phone now i got new cables Oct 19 20:08:46 heh, the liar show sounds so random Oct 19 20:08:51 i'm trying to decide if it's worth it for me Oct 19 20:09:00 with hotel and flight, prob around 700 bucks Oct 19 20:09:04 * oil will be there, rwhitby will be there Oct 19 20:09:24 the more rwhitby says "web-aws" the better it will be Oct 19 20:09:34 lol Oct 19 20:09:41 hah Oct 19 20:09:48 yes Oct 19 20:09:48 web-aws? Oct 19 20:09:51 yup no cable interupts with the new cable Oct 19 20:09:57 oh, got it Oct 19 20:10:04 dohtem, rwhitby is australiaan and they dont know how to speak :D Oct 19 20:10:38 I just figured it out Oct 19 20:10:40 he knows how to speakl Oct 19 20:10:40 haha Oct 19 20:10:44 its just wrong Oct 19 20:10:45 xD Oct 19 20:10:54 lol Oct 19 20:10:57 webaws is my pronunciation moving forward Oct 19 20:10:57 does he say beeta, too? Oct 19 20:11:06 yes Oct 19 20:11:08 lmao Oct 19 20:11:18 I have to keep from laughing everytime I go to London Oct 19 20:11:19 Aussies are cool Oct 19 20:11:29 of course, there will be the awkward half hour or so Oct 19 20:11:36 when meeting someone you've only known on the interwebs Oct 19 20:11:40 The English say pree-vacy Oct 19 20:11:44 drives me nuts Oct 19 20:11:46 nah, its not that long Oct 19 20:12:20 although the great equilizer is in n out Oct 19 20:12:21 oil: nows your chance.. in the first 30 seconds of meeting him, act like a lunatic! Oct 19 20:12:58 hehe Oct 19 20:13:15 the australian accent is funny Oct 19 20:13:17 swisstomcat: hallo Oct 19 20:13:22 dohtem are you assuming oil doesnt act like a lunatic irl normaly? Oct 19 20:13:32 GO NUTS! Oct 19 20:13:38 iWinRar: I know.. :( Oct 19 20:13:48 well, if i dont get my hair cut before i go ill look like cousin-it Oct 19 20:14:05 did you get your twitter account, oil? (DontBlameOil) Oct 19 20:14:07 its well past my shoulders right now xD Oct 19 20:14:10 lol, no Oct 19 20:14:28 dammit oil Oct 19 20:14:41 * sugardave blames oil for oil not getting a Twitter account. Oct 19 20:15:16 what's your email, oil? Oct 19 20:15:17 webos made me use twitter a lot for the first few weeks i got my twitter account Oct 19 20:15:28 better not be signing me up for twitter, lol Oct 19 20:15:38 swisstomcat: brandonvb@gmail Oct 19 20:15:39 * halfhalo is playing with http://registry.npmjs.org/ Oct 19 20:15:49 * oil may sign up later, idk Oct 19 20:15:53 gotta go back to work though, bbl Oct 19 20:16:03 work is over rated Oct 19 20:16:05 TWITTER IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO TALK TO PEOPLE REGARDING PICKING PEOPLE UP Oct 19 20:16:05 * Tibfib wants PRE 2 Oct 19 20:16:14 i want 2 pres Oct 19 20:17:05 2 Pre 2s Oct 19 20:17:15 oil: you're signed up :) Oct 19 20:17:20 HAHAHAHA Oct 19 20:17:26 did you sign up? Oct 19 20:17:36 sugardave totally lol Oct 19 20:17:57 i'll already pre-populate your friends list, oil Oct 19 20:18:10 hahahahahaha Oct 19 20:20:41 you already follow 10 high-profile people Oct 19 20:21:25 twitter.com/DontBlameOil Oct 19 20:23:16 wow, already have a spam follower Oct 19 20:24:15 Welcome to Twitter, @DontBlameOil :) /cc @Adora Oct 19 20:25:46 everyone follow him Oct 19 20:25:58 already did Oct 19 20:26:07 i didnt! Oct 19 20:26:16 let me log into one of my accounts... which account do i use... Oct 19 20:26:17 swisstomcat: make him follow me Oct 19 20:26:40 sugardave: i'll leave that to him Oct 19 20:26:53 fine :P Oct 19 20:28:29 halfhalo: I see a json file. what's that site for? Oct 19 20:28:34 node Oct 19 20:28:36 whatss in the new warthog? Oct 19 20:28:47 what speed is the new "update" Oct 19 20:33:47 omg is zhephree in this chat? Oct 19 20:34:02 it's OS/2 Smartphone edition :D Oct 19 20:34:09 http://twitpic.com/2z2wzw Oct 19 20:35:11 nice lol Oct 19 20:36:43 terrifying Oct 19 20:36:59 I remember installing OS/2 from like 80 floppy disks, it might have been warp 4, but I think it was 3 Oct 19 20:39:11 have you guys seen this ad? http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html why can't they just use this on tv? Oct 19 20:39:24 (click watch video on side bar) Oct 19 20:41:04 Tibfib: it sounds liek the CSI miami opener, but more generic, that's why Oct 19 20:41:13 and no one wants to be thinking about sunglasses Oct 19 20:41:26 it's better than all the other ads. Oct 19 20:41:50 I just smashed a fly on my window Oct 19 20:41:55 I completely ruined his/her life Oct 19 20:41:58 how terrible Oct 19 20:42:16 Grr... android irc client was hanging up on something saved in zncs buffer Oct 19 20:43:48 u should use wirc then Oct 19 20:44:04 I should Oct 19 20:44:12 Tibfib: cant see any vid link Oct 19 20:44:35 dohtem: tap the arrows to find the pre2 video Oct 19 20:45:26 thanks Oct 19 20:48:08 yikes. lots of negative comments on engadget post: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/19/palm-gets-official-with-webos-2-0-and-pre-2-hitting-france-on-f/#disqus_thread Oct 19 20:48:31 Yeah, well, engadget is full of slow people Oct 19 20:51:03 Tibfib: ouch,,, they are really hating it Oct 19 20:51:18 Yeah. they are Oct 19 20:51:45 Hate them back? Oct 19 20:52:18 Good plan Oct 19 20:52:41 wait Oct 19 20:52:43 Mine generally are Oct 19 20:52:47 they will bring forth the ban hammer Oct 19 20:52:53 so be carefull Oct 19 20:53:13 CTLAdvance: I don't comment on engadget. Oct 19 20:53:18 I can still hate them though. Oct 19 20:53:21 neither do i Oct 19 20:53:24 :] Oct 19 20:54:22 We need a website dedicated to comments against webos posts on engadget Oct 19 20:54:35 here is one from alyssa at 4pm Oct 19 20:54:36 _____________flatline_____________ Oct 19 20:54:48 in 20 seconds trash her comment Oct 19 20:55:04 they were generally positive when the 2.0 beta shots leaked. Oct 19 20:55:24 the only thing that's disappointing with the pre2 is the screen resolution. only thing. Oct 19 20:55:38 and screen size Oct 19 20:55:50 * Tibfib doesn't mind Oct 19 20:56:25 this poor Sprint tech support guy, he was unprepared for my bitching....now I'm on hold waiting for a supervisor Oct 19 20:56:33 The thing is, the hardware is no longer a good device for most people, in the US people seem to want bigger badder hard... ware Oct 19 20:56:33 lmao Oct 19 20:56:34 lol Oct 19 20:56:52 they have been brainwahed by the Evo and Droid X and Streak Oct 19 20:57:05 Those phones are way tooo big. Oct 19 20:57:06 and they will most likely continue that pattern Oct 19 20:57:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArVP6ZNkmqw&feature=youtu.be Oct 19 20:57:16 I saw a petite girl with an Evo that barely fits in her hand Oct 19 20:57:16 personally the 3.1" screen is horrible for me Oct 19 20:57:31 Yes, but she had a 4" screen Oct 19 20:57:37 hers was bigger than yours Oct 19 20:57:41 but that's what they are buying.. 4+ inches Oct 19 20:57:53 Mousey: lol, someone commented: "Why the screen have STRIPES?" Oct 19 20:57:59 ^_^ Oct 19 20:58:01 someone should tell them that's the new fad. Oct 19 20:58:07 hahaha Oct 19 20:58:10 You are officially inadequate, when there is bigger than yours Oct 19 20:58:22 heh Oct 19 20:59:13 if the pre kept the same shape and had a 4" screen (scaled) it would be awesome Oct 19 20:59:33 CTLAdvance: see: Dell Venus Pro Oct 19 20:59:41 Yes, thats my new work phone Oct 19 21:01:02 But still, I am hoping a slate comes with a 4" screen Oct 19 21:01:19 the "Manssion" or what ever weve called it Oct 19 21:04:14 I'm hoping for 3.7 Oct 19 21:04:29 I see mostly girls with evos, lol Oct 19 21:05:27 the super device better have Oct 19 21:05:29 a gyroscope Oct 19 21:05:31 like seriously Oct 19 21:06:07 dieter should see how many apps he can load max on his 2.0 pre2 Oct 19 21:06:30 super device should be milspec Oct 19 21:08:42 milspec? Oct 19 21:09:16 yeah Oct 19 21:09:20 wouldn't it be nice for things to not break Oct 19 21:09:22 Why haven't we seen the new catalog? Oct 19 21:09:26 Is it not done? Oct 19 21:09:35 how do you post on sprint's wall Oct 19 21:09:37 I don't see anything Oct 19 21:10:08 Or its a super secret new app catalog Oct 19 21:10:30 spam sprint Oct 19 21:10:36 new app catlog Oct 19 21:11:25 new app catalog made of unicorn blood and adamantium Oct 19 21:11:35 I can live with that Oct 19 21:12:17 torchie: you have to "like" the page first, then you can write on the wall Oct 19 21:12:22 oh i c Oct 19 21:12:25 it's dumb Oct 19 21:12:31 so really Oct 19 21:12:34 because right now I don't like Sprint Oct 19 21:12:35 this is just getting Sprint's page more likes Oct 19 21:12:40 yeah Oct 19 21:12:51 brilliant marketing maneuver Oct 19 21:12:51 morning Oct 19 21:13:00 like them post comment Oct 19 21:13:02 unlike them Oct 19 21:13:02 rwhitby: hello Oct 19 21:13:08 evening Oct 19 21:13:11 hey rwhitby Oct 19 21:14:20 iWinRar they will drop your premier account status if you just unlike them Oct 19 21:14:30 it needs to be less intrusive Oct 19 21:14:33 like Oct 19 21:14:34 engadget's review is pretty positive so far http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/19/webos-2-0-review/ Oct 19 21:14:37 its not you its me Oct 19 21:14:54 lol Oct 19 21:15:27 arrgh! Not Josh... that guy writes the longest reviews Oct 19 21:15:55 its funny how they can send engadget and precentral a device, but they cant make these available to people evangelising the platform... aka developers Oct 19 21:16:13 I just tried to make a stack on my 1.4.5 pre. sigh. Oct 19 21:16:19 maybe devs who have 10+ apps in the catalog, or who have a big name in homebrew Oct 19 21:16:34 lol Tibfib except all the comments Oct 19 21:16:38 Tibfib: did it work?! Oct 19 21:16:40 :) Oct 19 21:16:46 iWinRar: not there yet... :/ Oct 19 21:17:11 Stacks are a trivial enhancement Oct 19 21:17:22 CTLAdvance: let's drop it to 5+ apps :D Oct 19 21:17:28 lol Oct 19 21:17:30 ok Oct 19 21:17:31 I'm on the cusp Oct 19 21:17:42 i like stacks well enough, at least for the browser Oct 19 21:17:43 I have 14, I was going to say 20 Oct 19 21:17:47 heh Oct 19 21:17:51 imho it beats having tabs Oct 19 21:17:58 I have caused more than 5 apps, but they're not all released by me Oct 19 21:18:01 I have... 0 Oct 19 21:18:03 Nice - http://www.engadget.com/photos/webos-2-0-screenshots/#3483738 Oct 19 21:18:11 They could have focused on implementing many of the homebrew features/patches Oct 19 21:18:17 i picks up search engines as you browse the web Oct 19 21:18:17 but instead we got freakin stacks Oct 19 21:18:19 it* Oct 19 21:18:35 I bet 80% of the community doesnt ever have more than 1 or 2 apps open at once Oct 19 21:19:01 i do , i guess im in the other 20% lol Oct 19 21:19:19 I had many apps open Oct 19 21:20:46 liking my new 1.5ft cable for working with it pluged into my laptop and netbook and installing ipk's and preware and such Oct 19 21:21:14 CTLAdvance: care to complain more? Oct 19 21:21:23 i do Oct 19 21:21:33 no, not really complaining Oct 19 21:21:43 I am still happy with what we have, and glad to see it move forward Oct 19 21:21:47 "but instead we got freakin stacks" Oct 19 21:21:55 Sorry, thought you were complaining. Oct 19 21:22:00 ok I guess I was Oct 19 21:22:02 stacks is cool imho Oct 19 21:22:14 for web browser, twitter and facebook Oct 19 21:22:21 not sure what else could take advantage of it Oct 19 21:22:25 CTLAdvance: just messing with you :) Oct 19 21:22:27 I never said it wasnt cool Oct 19 21:22:30 :) Oct 19 21:22:51 web browser is what i want it for the most lol Oct 19 21:23:40 the adding ssearch based on the sites you go to could be nice Oct 19 21:24:01 man, I can't imagine the legal nightmare integrating homebrew patches into the main OS would be Oct 19 21:24:03 For me if I had an app that had multiple cards, I would preffer for them to be side by side, not stacked. Oct 19 21:24:12 but browser I could see easily Oct 19 21:24:22 so I guess it depends Oct 19 21:25:27 I am sure the could do it without much issue, they could simply reneg on their open source support and start targeting the community. I think they would be abliged to allow that to happen. Oct 19 21:25:34 add silicon that blocks patches etc Oct 19 21:25:43 blocks root access Oct 19 21:25:44 funkatron: what do you mean? Oct 19 21:25:59 hes talking about the open source licensing for the patches Oct 19 21:26:05 All the patches are licensed so Palm could take them easily Oct 19 21:26:05 no, not just that Oct 19 21:26:16 the indemnification aspects are way more problematic Oct 19 21:26:19 rwhitby set it up to work like that. Oct 19 21:26:29 and assuring they don't violate copyright Oct 19 21:27:27 like I said, they just need to start adding preassure to the community, I am sure they would hand over their ownership. Oct 19 21:27:28 rwhitby would be the one to talk about that, but I don't think it would be too big of a problem. plus, I'm sure palm wouldn't take code line for line Oct 19 21:27:59 there would always be some sort of homebrew community Oct 19 21:28:11 ownership not the issue Oct 19 21:28:15 indemnification is Oct 19 21:28:21 i doubt hp would want to be releasing its own ocing kernals lol Oct 19 21:28:21 probably would have to sign a CLA and such Oct 19 21:29:58 im just glad we are FINALLY getting flash :-/ heh Oct 19 21:31:05 I'm not that nuts about flash Oct 19 21:31:20 I mean Oct 19 21:31:23 i'll get to watch homestar runner on the go, that's p. cool Oct 19 21:32:03 lol Oct 19 21:32:56 flash games id like to keep my 7 year old brother entertained for a bit when he is annoying me when i watch him Oct 19 21:33:26 there are native games for that though Oct 19 21:33:44 yea but not a huge selection lol Oct 19 21:33:59 he likes angry birds but he tends to make me do all the levels :-/ Oct 19 21:34:03 and 99% of flash is designed with mouseover type stuff Oct 19 21:34:05 funkatron: patches are released with MIT license. Palm would of course need to review and indemnify any code themselves just like they do for any other line of the OS Oct 19 21:34:13 right Oct 19 21:34:27 that's my only point. but indemnification is a huge issue Oct 19 21:34:30 and a big, big job Oct 19 21:34:34 funkatron: so it's no different to writing the code themselves, except they didn't have to write it Oct 19 21:34:41 mmmm kinda Oct 19 21:34:41 funkatron: chuq can do it Oct 19 21:34:55 funkatron: they don't need to indemnify the original authors. Oct 19 21:34:58 sooo anyone have experience with webview here? Oct 19 21:35:03 i'm rackin mah brainz Oct 19 21:35:03 pandora--: a little Oct 19 21:35:11 pandora--: a little more than sugardave Oct 19 21:35:13 nothing too deep Oct 19 21:35:17 :) Oct 19 21:35:20 heh Oct 19 21:35:31 so, i'm opening a link with a target="_blank" type situation Oct 19 21:35:32 rwhitby: I suspect you'd hear some disagreement about that within lawyerly circles Oct 19 21:35:43 which sends the "createPage" event, rather than just opening it in the webview Oct 19 21:36:06 what's your question? Oct 19 21:36:09 where is my palm cast damn it lol Oct 19 21:36:10 funkatron: sure, lawyers will always try to make money. my point is that we used to best license for the job to specifically allow that inclusion Oct 19 21:36:11 and it provides some data in the event of that call, along with pageProperties. Oct 19 21:36:20 now ill have to figure out which of these webos twitter clients is the best :) Oct 19 21:36:25 funkatron: MIT license is actually better than public domain for palm to use them Oct 19 21:36:31 rwhitby: don't think I'm trying to argue with your license. I'm not -- at all. Oct 19 21:36:33 oilsworkn: are you on? Oct 19 21:36:37 my question: can i open those target links in a webview? or do i HAVE to open a browser window to do it? Oct 19 21:36:48 Tibfib: thanks to swisstomcat Oct 19 21:36:49 oilsworkn: I thought it would never happen? Oct 19 21:36:56 funkatron: gotcha. you're saying that even with the best possible license fit, lawyers will always try to make money :) Oct 19 21:36:57 oilsworkn: are you tweeting? lol Oct 19 21:37:00 I'm suggesting that the "Palm should have just integrated all these patches!" idea doesn't consider how much work that would be Oct 19 21:37:05 lol Oct 19 21:37:14 rwhitby: oh hell yes. not just Palm/HPs lawyers too Oct 19 21:37:15 heh Oct 19 21:37:20 Tibfib: make sense? Oct 19 21:37:23 I don't believe it Oct 19 21:37:27 funkatron: and yeah, nothing comes for free Oct 19 21:37:28 pandora--: what are you trying to do? Oct 19 21:37:31 work == legal work Oct 19 21:37:33 oh Oct 19 21:37:41 so far ive tweeted about the sandwich i had for lunch Oct 19 21:37:45 oilsworkn when i did twitter on my phone i really enjoyed ummm lol Oct 19 21:37:46 pandora--: just call a link open event. or something. Oct 19 21:37:58 funkatron: the new hire Ari has a lot of experience in that area though Oct 19 21:38:00 pandora--: lemme find it Oct 19 21:38:03 given how fucked software patents et al are in this country Oct 19 21:38:06 Tibfib: ok thanks Oct 19 21:38:21 ari? Oct 19 21:38:31 rwhitby: I hope it gets better. Oct 19 21:38:33 guy from maemo project at nokia Oct 19 21:38:37 Tibfib: regular links are fine, but target="_whatever" links i'm struggling with Oct 19 21:38:41 oh yea Oct 19 21:39:04 yes, his work on maemo would be useful Oct 19 21:39:08 pandora--: listen to the createPage event or whatever. Then call this.controller.get("webviewwidgetid").mojo.openURL("URL") Oct 19 21:39:31 oilsworkn i always liked tweetme Oct 19 21:39:33 oilsworkn: what's your twitter name? Oct 19 21:39:39 DontBlameOil Oct 19 21:39:45 yeah, but there is no "URL" in the event data for createPage Oct 19 21:39:45 * Tibfib likes spaz and twee2 Oct 19 21:39:48 sugardave: I am charitable :) I am just hoping that Sprint is holding out for Mansion and passing on Pre 2 Oct 19 21:39:53 spaz sucks Oct 19 21:40:01 * rwhitby using spaz and twee2 lately Oct 19 21:40:05 pandora--: you sure? Oct 19 21:40:06 radiofreejohn i dont see an issue of them having both Oct 19 21:40:17 pandora--: it HAS to be there somewhere Oct 19 21:40:21 radiofreejohn: that's fine with me IF they do that, but they need to mention it in some cryptic way that lets us know we're not forgotten :D Oct 19 21:40:22 i don't see an issue except they may feel the Pre 2 won't sell Oct 19 21:40:33 Tibfib: it's really weird, yeah. but if you pass it to the browser (proper browser app) it has some way to resolve it to a URL Oct 19 21:40:36 oh, radionegativenancy is back :) Oct 19 21:40:37 sugardave: we've been forgotten for like a year now... no reason to rush it :) Oct 19 21:40:37 then they should not get a big of a stock in Oct 19 21:40:42 Lol Oct 19 21:40:43 sugardave: and not just by Sprint, I mean Oct 19 21:40:46 haha Oct 19 21:40:48 true Oct 19 21:41:01 pandora--: log out the properties passed. it'll be there somewhere. Oct 19 21:41:09 if I ran Sprint, I would pass on the Pre 2 if I knew I could get exclusive on the 'next' one :P Oct 19 21:41:10 http://spaz.spreadshirt.com/spaz-sucks-buttons-A4958407/customize/color/1 Oct 19 21:41:11 * Tibfib is now following dontblameoil Oct 19 21:41:15 it would be sprints fault if they over stocked Oct 19 21:41:22 Tibfib: i've logged them, it's not there Oct 19 21:41:25 get less phones ordered and they wont have an issue Oct 19 21:41:33 * oilsworkn needs to go into the options and turn off email on follow thing thats for sure Oct 19 21:41:35 pandora--: bah! post on teh forums then. no clue Oct 19 21:41:38 iWinRar: fault... for being optimistic? You are right, but that still doesn't say anything negative about Sprint :) Oct 19 21:42:07 Tibfib: this is the entire event object : http://pastebin.com/seEU3KzP Oct 19 21:42:16 retarded Oct 19 21:42:19 at this point webos needs to increase the user share as is Oct 19 21:42:21 funkatron: nice, haha Oct 19 21:42:28 so more phones on more providers the better Oct 19 21:42:38 Tibfib: mmmmmmkay to the forums. thanks :) Oct 19 21:42:47 yay ups, my copy of new vegas is out for delivery :) Oct 19 21:42:55 is that out today? Oct 19 21:42:59 or just shipping today Oct 19 21:42:59 oilsworkn: got my CE earlier today Oct 19 21:43:00 Its awesome Oct 19 21:43:02 pandora--: do you have interrogateClicks on? Oct 19 21:43:07 Tibfib: it's strange, the event for a linkClicked event looks identical, but has the "url" property Oct 19 21:43:08 Played it at e3 Oct 19 21:43:10 people are already pirating the hell out of the game sadly oilsworkn Oct 19 21:43:10 out today Oct 19 21:43:13 cool Oct 19 21:43:17 I'm resisting playing because I have to fly to brookly for a conference tomorrow morning Oct 19 21:43:19 doubt I'll be able to get it since I didn't pre-buy Oct 19 21:43:20 radiofreejohn: yes, but it's little consolation since we won't get to know if they're doing it or not Oct 19 21:43:24 pandora--: do they have the same property? Oct 19 21:43:27 But waiting to pick it up on steam Oct 19 21:43:31 i put like 200+ hours into fallout3 Oct 19 21:43:32 Tibfib: yes I do, I'm handling all the clicks myself, but target clicks get the createPage event with "url" missing in the json Oct 19 21:43:32 pandora--: err, do they get launched at the same time? Oct 19 21:43:43 called. Oct 19 21:43:45 no, only one or the other is fired Oct 19 21:43:45 sugardave: yeah, true... but have you ever felt in the loop? :P Oct 19 21:44:01 Oil you got it for the 360? Oct 19 21:44:05 oh well, I'll still keep my fingers crossed Oct 19 21:44:06 pandora--: yeah, go to the forums. Sounds stupid. Oct 19 21:44:08 a linkClicked for normal links, and a createPage for a link that would (in a traditional browser) open a new window Oct 19 21:44:14 I can't really change providers if they don't step up though Oct 19 21:44:16 halfhalo: yes Oct 19 21:44:22 Nice Oct 19 21:44:24 hehe, no...I am so far out of the loop that I'm still at the back of the line to get on the coaster car Oct 19 21:44:31 * oilsworkn gamertag = oi1 Oct 19 21:44:48 I played the 360 version, but am picking it up for pc Oct 19 21:45:10 * rwhitby bbl Oct 19 21:45:12 hp with all it's branding on my palm developer center Oct 19 21:45:13 *sniff* Oct 19 21:45:24 yeah, mods/etc are nice im sure Oct 19 21:45:26 The new action wheel is nice Oct 19 21:45:27 Fallout 3 on PC had a ton of mod stuff, so I can see that Oct 19 21:45:28 i just prefer the console for gaming Oct 19 21:45:29 has the actual cpu been named? or just the clock speed? Oct 19 21:45:38 for the pre2 Oct 19 21:46:04 Eh, I'm a mouse and kb guy Oct 19 21:46:25 im a whatever works best for that device guy Oct 19 21:46:34 ive seen vegas getting bad reviews for being the same engine Oct 19 21:46:44 but i personally dont care Oct 19 21:46:48 ditto, the engine works Oct 19 21:46:49 oilsworkn: that's kind of stupid. Oct 19 21:46:50 it's definitely dated Oct 19 21:46:51 that means they got to spend a lot more time on story Oct 19 21:46:59 but they do good stuff with it Oct 19 21:47:01 and content Oct 19 21:47:06 has anyone tried to use a BT mouse on the Pre 2 yet? 8) Oct 19 21:47:07 didnt it use the same engine as oblivion? Oct 19 21:47:20 I think brink will be better than newvegas though Oct 19 21:47:24 id be more interesting in BT controlers Oct 19 21:47:27 So are the right bluetooth apis available to do BT gaming? Oct 19 21:47:29 that too Oct 19 21:47:57 * Tibfib wants to play monopoly in physics with the other iPod touch owners Oct 19 21:48:03 another thing to learn, bluetooth serial Oct 19 21:48:14 lol Oct 19 21:48:38 Its the fallout 3 engine, its always buggy Oct 19 21:48:42 that "hold the phone in the middle" bt controller always looks awesome Oct 19 21:48:53 is extended depth of field good or bad? Oct 19 21:48:55 * oilsworkn wants to use it with snes Oct 19 21:48:57 good! Oct 19 21:49:02 vgoo Oct 19 21:49:05 d Oct 19 21:49:15 anyone know the answer to my BT question? Oct 19 21:49:21 Nope Oct 19 21:49:24 Tibfib: I do not Oct 19 21:49:36 shucks Oct 19 21:49:45 * Tibfib hopes Oct 19 21:50:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM8AP5IHVLo - multitasking test on 2.0 Oct 19 21:51:44 by lifting it up he's messing up the boot time Oct 19 21:52:01 runs slower upside-down Oct 19 21:53:01 lol Oct 19 21:53:07 "Pre: Boots faster right side up" Oct 19 21:53:40 "you are holding it wrong." Oct 19 21:53:48 hehh Oct 19 21:54:02 who opens that many cards? man Oct 19 21:54:10 I mean, I am sure someone does Oct 19 21:54:29 oilsworkn this one http://www.ec21.com/product-details/MSI-Bluetooth-Gamepad-BGP-100--2962493.html ? Oct 19 21:54:48 yeah, thats the one Oct 19 21:54:59 does that work with the pre as is? Oct 19 21:55:00 dtzWill: make that work with snes on 2.0 as bt controller :) Oct 19 21:55:13 yes dtzWill do what oilsworkn said :D Oct 19 21:55:18 lol Oct 19 21:55:21 id get one if that worked with snes lol Oct 19 21:55:26 * oilsworkn too Oct 19 21:55:52 arg. when is palm going to improve the stock apps? emailll Oct 19 21:56:00 email is not so hot Oct 19 21:56:07 it's okay. but not hot Oct 19 21:56:11 Yeah. Probably worst part of webOS Oct 19 21:56:21 I dunno, the iPhone mail app sucked for a long time Oct 19 21:56:34 precentral says email is supposed to be faster on the new stuff Oct 19 21:56:47 faster. I want to archive my freaking gmail messages. Oct 19 21:56:47 but i dont think palm would get angry if we made our own mail client :) Oct 19 21:56:54 i like how webos deals with multi email addresses Oct 19 21:56:56 thats about it Oct 19 21:57:10 http://codeplusplus.blogspot.com/2007/07/mobile-gmail-api.html Oct 19 21:57:15 * Tibfib started an app Oct 19 21:57:17 but quit Oct 19 21:57:30 yeah Oct 19 21:57:39 email apps are a blood nightmare Oct 19 21:57:59 maybe do it homebrew only Oct 19 21:58:04 someone should make a patch to archive stuff in the email app Oct 19 21:58:08 so you can be on the private bus and use the same accounts/services that the current one does Oct 19 21:58:29 oilsworkn: nah, don't really want to. I would... Oct 19 21:58:32 unless the services are the main problem with it Oct 19 21:58:48 haha Oct 19 21:58:56 I have other apps to make Oct 19 21:58:57 i rarely send emails Oct 19 21:58:59 I want to make* Oct 19 21:59:04 its fine for viewing Oct 19 21:59:04 never really from the pre Oct 19 21:59:05 * Tibfib is off Oct 19 21:59:18 later Oct 19 21:59:19 i send emails once in a great while Oct 19 21:59:19 audi! Oct 19 21:59:23 oilsworkn: goood call. i can't wait to make that happen :D Oct 19 21:59:27 zomg bt controllers hahaha <3 Oct 19 21:59:29 usually with my mobile account only Oct 19 21:59:50 dtzWill id kiss you for it, wanted that controler to work for a while with an emulator lol Oct 19 21:59:56 lol Oct 19 22:00:07 hey you people should contribute junk to Spaz you want in there Oct 19 22:00:16 emulation on a touch screen seems like meh lol Oct 19 22:00:16 lol. well don't pucker up yet, need to get ahold of a 2.0 device to test/make it happen Oct 19 22:00:23 people are always like "HEY, SUPPORT MY FRUITY IMAGE UPLAODER SERVICE" Oct 19 22:00:26 but I don't use it Oct 19 22:00:35 iWinRar: personally, i agree. i use the keyboard exclusively for that reason :/. Oct 19 22:00:39 and then they're all like "I dunno how to program" Oct 19 22:00:56 the people are suffering Oct 19 22:01:00 yea i cant ue the keyboard id hit the wrong buttons all the time, well im sure id get used to it... but a proper game pad? hawt lol Oct 19 22:01:21 iWinRar: out of curiosity did you try configuring the keys? Oct 19 22:02:10 nah i dint i just use my netbook for emulation for now Oct 19 22:02:30 * oilsworkn just powered through Oct 19 22:02:31 lol Oct 19 22:02:31 this OC'd 1.4.5 vs Pre2 test needs to show Spaz Oct 19 22:02:36 with a snes to usb adap Oct 19 22:03:03 smart2joy or whatever it is Oct 19 22:04:25 i only really messed with the gba emu, iwas adding to the wiki a while back and then i got busy and forgot to do it and havnt done anything since Oct 19 22:05:11 iWinRar: kk. ty for what you did :). Oct 19 22:05:20 dtzWill: i would have tried to change the key configuration if it was able to be done in-app :) Oct 19 22:05:32 i was doing the running at 800mhz part i think i did like 10 or so games lol Oct 19 22:06:37 finally watching this video of the pre vs pre2 thing... Is it just a pre release dev Pre2? It's ATT :p Oct 19 22:07:06 yea i noticed it said att lol Oct 19 22:08:06 iWinRar: yeah you can do it in-app for both snes and vba ...for quite some time :). Oct 19 22:08:09 (fwiw) Oct 19 22:09:38 oh man is that Battlezone? D: Oct 19 22:10:06 snes run full speed on most games im guessing? Oct 19 22:13:09 iWinRar: yeppers. Oct 19 22:14:26 nice :D Oct 19 22:14:53 * oilsworkn cant find remapping options in snes Oct 19 22:14:56 maybe i have an old version though Oct 19 22:15:04 1.0.3 Oct 19 22:15:29 is there a quick way to get appID? Oct 19 22:15:36 oilsworkn: man i guess no one reads the help :( Oct 19 22:15:45 lol, Oct 19 22:15:49 just realizing that? Oct 19 22:15:56 oilsworkn: yeah i haven't made a nice gui for it, but in-game if you hit '=' or '?' then it'll walk you through binding them Oct 19 22:16:01 * oilsworkn looks at help Oct 19 22:16:09 'press what you want a to be', etc Oct 19 22:16:37 with a lil picture of the controller Oct 19 22:16:42 and the corresponding letters next to the buttons Oct 19 22:16:48 :) Oct 19 22:16:49 was easier than some button->text representation that a menu gui for it would require, especially if you consider international Oct 19 22:16:51 wait there is an help feature? :P Oct 19 22:16:51 Your a letter Oct 19 22:16:52 maik: Mojo.appInfo.id or AppInfo Oct 19 22:17:00 iWinRar: har har :D Oct 19 22:17:02 got it, thx Oct 19 22:17:19 i'm working on what we talked about earlier and writing some reusable routines Oct 19 22:17:37 oilsworkn: I expect you to entertain me in twitter to pay off the donation to "Send Oil Away" campaign. Oct 19 22:17:37 now i'm just hoping it works the way i think it should Oct 19 22:17:57 what are you eating for dinner? Oct 19 22:18:14 appInfo Oct 19 22:18:17 undecided as of yet Oct 19 22:18:29 NOT IN HERE!!! IN TWITTER!!! Oct 19 22:18:32 it is like 4-5 hours away though Oct 19 22:18:35 geeze! Oct 19 22:18:41 lol Oct 19 22:19:06 * haeffb contemplates visiting Dan Hesse's house tonight... Oct 19 22:19:15 Hah Oct 19 22:19:32 Ill bring the bricks! Oct 19 22:20:18 maik: sweet, I'll be happy to utilize your work for my own :D Oct 19 22:20:25 hehe Oct 19 22:20:34 FYI, I submitted an app update last night. It was published before noon PDT. Oct 19 22:20:39 what was "talked about earlier" ? Oct 19 22:20:43 haeffb: nice Oct 19 22:20:47 oilsworkn: seekrits Oct 19 22:21:02 nice haeffb Oct 19 22:21:24 * oilsworkn looks at #webos logs? Oct 19 22:21:30 Secrets are meant to be beaten out of people! Oct 19 22:21:32 oilsworkn: it's not there Oct 19 22:21:41 Lies Oct 19 22:21:45 halfhalo thanks for the tip :D Oct 19 22:21:54 Hah Oct 19 22:22:05 who wants to go to HP hq with me? Oct 19 22:22:07 * haeffb wonders why can't Sprint let Palm sell devices for them...and not worry about buying inventory. Oct 19 22:22:27 i need help beating some secrets out of them about the next super webos device and palm pad Oct 19 22:22:32 haeffb: yeah, that's a good question...isn't HP selling phones for other carriers already? Oct 19 22:22:52 yes. not sure who does the fulfillment, though. Oct 19 22:23:00 right Oct 19 22:23:23 haeffb: probably because sprint is really uptight about device activations Oct 19 22:23:23 also palm webos sounds better than hp webos Oct 19 22:23:40 * haeffb needs to stop procrastinating and learn how to update slqlite schema in app Oct 19 22:23:51 Whatever class is before my class is kickass Oct 19 22:23:52 in a scene is "this.controller" the scene controller or is it some overarching app/stage controller? Oct 19 22:23:53 unless they sold it to or it has a giant "sprint" stuck on it, they act like it doesn't exist Oct 19 22:24:00 About networking Oct 19 22:24:06 SineOt: Sprint can still go through their approval process. Oct 19 22:24:27 halfhalo: the way is shut Oct 19 22:24:34 watching better off ted Oct 19 22:24:37 Why Oct 19 22:24:43 too bad it was canceled, it was a funny show Oct 19 22:24:47 I'm hoping they're at least comms board compatible Oct 19 22:24:50 s/halfhalo/haeffb/ Oct 19 22:25:03 halfhalo: these aren't the droids you're looking for Oct 19 22:25:05 oilsworkn never watched it yet to be honest, just started the 1st episode Oct 19 22:25:13 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre-family.html "webOS 2.0 available in the coming months" Oct 19 22:25:15 Lol Oct 19 22:25:29 i was pretty sad when they canceled Better Off Ted Oct 19 22:25:40 maik: scene controller Oct 19 22:25:41 i hope the pre2 comes with webos2.0 Oct 19 22:25:42 it's one of those shows that really only caters to nerds like us, so i guess it was to be expected Oct 19 22:26:13 CBS picked up another show based on a twitter account, while stuff like Better Off Ted and Pushing Daisies get canned :C Oct 19 22:26:22 haeffb: thanks Oct 19 22:26:23 Lol Oct 19 22:26:25 in stage assistant, this.controller is stage controller. in app assistant... you get the picture Oct 19 22:26:32 maik: this refers to the function prototype of whatever function is currently in scope, unless you bind this Oct 19 22:26:33 the monologue ted would have with the camera was always great Oct 19 22:26:39 SineOt whats it called? Oct 19 22:26:45 reminded me of arrested development where the announcer guy would get into the action Oct 19 22:26:49 i loved pushing daisies lol Oct 19 22:26:57 sugardave!!!! Oct 19 22:27:02 haeffb!! Oct 19 22:27:14 not sure what it's called, but it's based on a twitter account where the guy tweets what he hears his upstairs neighbors say Oct 19 22:27:20 alexfner and I had this discussion a while back. this refers to the instance of the object, not the prototype. Oct 19 22:27:26 and it's like, how do you expect to turn that into something worth watching? Oct 19 22:27:35 its like "shhh dont tell steve" or something like that Oct 19 22:27:36 oh dammit, I got it backwards, then Oct 19 22:27:40 where the guys roomate is just batshit-crazy Oct 19 22:27:42 so if i want to do a serviceRequest in StageAssistant is there another method i should use? Oct 19 22:28:04 i acutally dont mind shit my dad says Oct 19 22:28:07 its kinda funny Oct 19 22:28:14 yeah, it's different in the stage controller Oct 19 22:28:20 shhh dont tell steve ive never heard of Oct 19 22:28:23 except they should have called it "shat my dad says" Oct 19 22:28:25 Mojo.Service.Request it looks like Oct 19 22:28:29 yep Oct 19 22:28:36 iWinRar: i dont know if thats the name, but it something like that Oct 19 22:28:38 oilsworkn: they picked up another one Oct 19 22:28:48 thats the one i was saying... lol Oct 19 22:28:52 http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/282851/two-more-twitter-feeds-make-it-tv Oct 19 22:28:55 i dun ben lernin Oct 19 22:28:57 so they have Shit my Dad Says, Shhh Don't Tell Steve, and this new one Oct 19 22:28:59 or you could get the sceneController of the active scene. Or any scene, really. Oct 19 22:29:07 oh Oct 19 22:29:10 maik: that's it, make it a var or it could die and screw you Oct 19 22:29:12 i didn't know they were doing it... again Oct 19 22:29:20 var request = Mojo.... Oct 19 22:29:22 "Dear Girls Above Me" apparently Oct 19 22:29:30 oilsworkn: they'll keep doing it as long as it makes money Oct 19 22:29:33 thanks, i was just debating whether i should do that Oct 19 22:29:33 next is "Dont Blame Oil" tv show Oct 19 22:29:42 maik: yes, you should Oct 19 22:29:45 lol Oct 19 22:29:53 Its would sell Oct 19 22:29:55 id totally watch that shit Oct 19 22:29:59 where people blame me Oct 19 22:30:06 ooh. I'd watch "Don't Blame Oil" just to see what goofy shit halfhalo says next. Oct 19 22:30:09 then i use funds intended for a conference to show up on their doorstep with a bat Oct 19 22:30:14 Lol Oct 19 22:30:17 haha Oct 19 22:30:24 mexican freetail or fruit? Oct 19 22:30:34 well, here goes nothing Oct 19 22:30:35 aluminum Oct 19 22:30:45 lol Oct 19 22:30:56 Bah, aluminum is crap for that stuff Oct 19 22:31:00 * sugardave cheers on maik. "goGoGO!" Oct 19 22:31:00 * haeffb watches maik disappear in a puff of smoke Oct 19 22:31:19 * halfhalo tapes it to sell on ppv Oct 19 22:31:31 * oilsworkn waits for the outcome then says "i saw it coming all along" Oct 19 22:31:57 Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'request' Oct 19 22:31:57 :( Oct 19 22:31:59 so, anyway, the link above says webOS 2.0 is coming to Sprint Pre "in the coming months" in case that hadn't yet been confirmed anywhere Oct 19 22:32:23 How bout them dodgers? Oct 19 22:32:25 haeffb i do wonder how it will run on a pre with 256 ramz tho Oct 19 22:32:28 i hope BETTER Oct 19 22:32:29 little R or big r? Oct 19 22:32:32 though i'm not sure what 'request' it's referring to, since i'm doing Mojo.Service.Request Oct 19 22:32:33 * oilsworkn saw it coming all along Oct 19 22:32:35 little r Oct 19 22:32:39 which is why it's confusing Oct 19 22:32:52 I have a feeling that "in the coming months" means "when it launches on Verizon" Oct 19 22:33:01 what is ? Oct 19 22:33:01 i have a sneaking suspicion it may be elsewhere Oct 19 22:33:03 which doesn't make much sense since SFR gets it in 3 days :T Oct 19 22:33:08 how the hell should i know Oct 19 22:33:10 maik: yeah, it's probably not that Oct 19 22:33:12 Lol Oct 19 22:33:16 you did Oct 19 22:33:23 something.something.request() Oct 19 22:33:25 ? Oct 19 22:33:31 i don't think so, tim Oct 19 22:33:35 new Mojo.Service.Request Oct 19 22:33:38 please hold Oct 19 22:33:42 oh bollocks Oct 19 22:33:48 oops Oct 19 22:33:49 thanks haeffb Oct 19 22:34:19 we have liftoff Oct 19 22:34:26 wooooosh! Oct 19 22:34:29 and...a successful log entry Oct 19 22:35:15 jhojho: it's been known for a while that Flash would never make it to the Pixi. :( Oct 19 22:35:17 so, yeah, I can buy a Sprint Pre directly from HP. Oct 19 22:35:56 well, "buy" is misleading. Be given a Sprint Pre by HP. Oct 19 22:38:53 how do i "buy" things like that? Oct 19 22:38:54 xD Oct 19 22:39:05 five fingers Oct 19 22:39:10 falling off the back of a truck Oct 19 22:39:14 lol Oct 19 22:39:15 white vans at the gas station Oct 19 22:39:16 etc XD Oct 19 22:39:25 what were the fingers doing in the back of hte truck at the gas station? Oct 19 22:39:33 sounds careless Oct 19 22:40:00 rifling through the totally sweet collection of dvds, car stereos, and discount meat products Oct 19 22:40:37 anyone saw the performance conference with pre 2 and pre Oct 19 22:40:44 Difference Oct 19 22:41:12 (seriously who would buy discounted meat products out of a van and why do I get offered them) Oct 19 22:41:40 * sugardave sold meat out of a freezer in the back of a truck for a short time. "That job sucks, let me tell you." Oct 19 22:42:18 I've bought fish out of the back of a truck before Oct 19 22:42:21 SineOt: lol Oct 19 22:42:29 oilsworkn: ehhhhh Oct 19 22:42:43 lol Oct 19 22:42:56 but oil lives close to the ocean Oct 19 22:42:58 fish kind of makes sense though, I mean like, you can catch it and have it on shore like that day Oct 19 22:43:05 chances are good that the product is decent Oct 19 22:43:07 eh Oct 19 22:43:12 its like 4 or 5 hours to the ocean Oct 19 22:43:23 that's closer than me Oct 19 22:43:25 :D Oct 19 22:43:27 steaks? where the hell are you going to get a cow, a butcher, and then put it on a can to sell Oct 19 22:43:30 but Oct 19 22:43:33 it was salmon Oct 19 22:43:35 out of the river Oct 19 22:43:36 it's like 30 minutes to the ocean :T Oct 19 22:43:46 I love salmon Oct 19 22:43:52 which is only like an hour or two from here Oct 19 22:44:18 yeah, it was good "back of the truck" salmon Oct 19 22:44:21 purchased from a native american Oct 19 22:44:38 since they're the only ones who can fish them out down there Oct 19 22:44:42 or something like that Oct 19 22:44:47 not they pull up beside you at a stop light, open the side door on a van without windows, and offer to sell you some steaks? lol Oct 19 22:45:15 noi Oct 19 22:45:16 no* Oct 19 22:45:18 not like that at all Oct 19 22:45:21 a friend knew the guy Oct 19 22:45:25 and we met him in a parking lot Oct 19 22:45:31 lol Oct 19 22:46:10 idk if i would buy steak out of a van while at a stoplight Oct 19 22:46:19 seafood? Oct 19 22:46:40 haeffb: it doesn't refer to either Oct 19 22:46:50 haeffb: didn't you read tim caswell's article on this!?! Oct 19 22:46:52 i saw a guy selling crab from his car trunk.. Oct 19 22:47:01 in phoenix.. Oct 19 22:47:02 rwhitby: so, assume I know nothing about the differences in cell transports (GSM, CDMA, etc.) because I don't....does this UMTS Pre 2 work on GSM and CDMA? Oct 19 22:47:15 around here we have all sorts of people selling fruit/seafood/etc from their vehicle on the side of the freeway Oct 19 22:47:25 getting ready to install the uberkernel for pixi, assuming I need govnah to control it? Oct 19 22:47:27 sometimes they even have little tables and signs Oct 19 22:47:27 sugardave: GSM, US 3G bands only Oct 19 22:47:36 rwhitby: bummer, thanks Oct 19 22:47:38 A UMTS Pre would only work on GSM. Even if it did work on CDMA, Sprint wouldn't let you activate it on their network anyways. Oct 19 22:47:54 yes, xbonesx Oct 19 22:48:24 speaking of Govnah: Is there anything that explains what the bars on "Time in State" are for? I'd assume it's a breakdown of how long the phone is spending at each possible CPU speed point. Oct 19 22:48:29 anything else I should be concerned about, battery percentage, etc...? Oct 19 22:48:37 SineOt: exactly Oct 19 22:48:51 that could probably do with a label ;o Oct 19 22:49:05 ehhhh Oct 19 22:49:18 the main scene of govnah is so sexy how it is though :) Oct 19 22:49:23 (or at least a sweet help overlay) Oct 19 22:49:34 haha Oct 19 22:51:21 alexfner: I think I very well may have. Oct 19 22:51:34 well, if i ever make my graphing code better, it will have stuff like that on the full-screen graph for it Oct 19 22:51:55 though, time_in_state will be a histogram Oct 19 22:51:59 not bars Oct 19 22:52:25 I thought I gleaned "this refers to the function that is currently in scope" Oct 19 22:52:30 from Crockford Oct 19 22:52:42 but I probably need to re-read that one Oct 19 22:56:20 "It acts as a reference to the context object, and as an object, you can get to it's properties through normal dot or bracket notation." Oct 19 22:57:01 so to me, that says it's the instance of the function. Oct 19 22:57:13 right Oct 19 22:57:18 * sugardave hijacks maik's thread. Oct 19 22:57:27 leave me alone! Oct 19 22:57:32 or i won't let you use my source Oct 19 22:57:35 heh Oct 19 22:57:39 haha Oct 19 22:57:43 it's not an outright hijacking Oct 19 22:57:51 but you got a free bump out of it :D Oct 19 22:58:11 heh Oct 19 22:58:13 * oilsworkn wonders what thread this is? Oct 19 22:58:24 this one: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=9416 Oct 19 22:58:52 anyone have any thoughts on the kernel for th pixi, working good? lack of problems? Oct 19 22:59:25 * oilsworkn has no pixi Oct 19 23:00:05 haeffb: so I should have not listened to you guys the other night and stuck with my thought on 'this' :D Oct 19 23:01:02 ugh, hateses the callbacksesesesess Oct 19 23:01:12 oil: lol @ quit message. Oct 19 23:01:24 haha Oct 19 23:01:26 maik, callbacks are your friend. Oct 19 23:01:35 indeed Oct 19 23:01:39 i never met a callback i liked Oct 19 23:01:41 sugardave: you should never listen to us guys. Oct 19 23:02:09 i'm always like "DUDE! I NEED YOUR DATA!" and it's all like "relax mannnnnn, i'll get it to you when i get to it, alright?" Oct 19 23:02:18 mellow Oct 19 23:02:26 Tommy Chong style Oct 19 23:02:45 nice lol Oct 19 23:03:51 nested callbacks never feel like a good idea Oct 19 23:04:02 don't do it that way Oct 19 23:04:38 make your handler function accept the response and pass it as a 'callback' argument to your async function to use in its success handler Oct 19 23:05:00 that way you can still 'nest' them, but it's way easier to manage Oct 19 23:05:13 erm Oct 19 23:05:17 pastebin? Oct 19 23:05:23 sure, give me a few Oct 19 23:05:42 k Oct 19 23:11:15 sugardave wanna stay at the YMCA with me? Oct 19 23:15:04 maik: damn, pastebin let me type all that shit and then errors with a 502 Oct 19 23:15:13 weak sauce Oct 19 23:15:13 iWinRar: um, no? Oct 19 23:15:22 lol Oct 19 23:15:36 be that way lol Oct 19 23:15:47 i think i deciphered what you meant though Oct 19 23:16:09 er what you said, rather Oct 19 23:16:36 maik: http://pastie.org/1234047 Oct 19 23:16:41 not the greatest example Oct 19 23:16:47 but should put you on the path Oct 19 23:18:04 oh i get it Oct 19 23:23:07 sugardave: u dont like the Y? Oct 19 23:33:52 sugardave: 101? Oct 19 23:34:13 haeffb: for what? Oct 19 23:34:32 Bmyers: I haven't been to the Y since I was small and used to swim there Oct 19 23:34:35 callback example Oct 19 23:35:01 haeffb: oh, sure...I'll think of something better unless you want to put that there :D Oct 19 23:35:25 better is good... Oct 19 23:35:30 heh, okay Oct 19 23:38:30 alright, people better start responding to that post, this is some confusing crap Oct 19 23:39:44 * sugardave plays the spaghetti western music which calls forth images of dusty ghost towns and tumbling tumbleweeds. Oct 19 23:39:45 maik: nothing in samples? Oct 19 23:40:02 samples you say Oct 19 23:40:09 whooowaaaweeeeoooooo... Oct 19 23:40:28 just a question, not an answer Oct 19 23:40:54 * maik makes the sounds of rustling through files Oct 19 23:41:23 i would say no Oct 19 23:42:08 I concur Oct 19 23:42:36 oh...uh oh Oct 19 23:42:42 right Oct 19 23:42:59 argh i used an ipod touch today Oct 19 23:43:09 did you wash afterward? Oct 19 23:43:50 well the pre felt disturbingly choppy in comparison Oct 19 23:44:12 yeah, but the touch can't make calls Oct 19 23:44:24 what a POS Oct 19 23:44:28 0 stars Oct 19 23:44:40 "cool phone" 0 stars Oct 20 00:16:12 hi all! Oct 20 00:16:22 * pandora-- waves Oct 20 00:16:26 hi Oct 20 00:16:32 touch can do skype and face2face Oct 20 00:16:32 hello Oct 20 00:18:47 hi JenP Oct 20 00:19:26 hi bmyers Oct 20 00:20:00 hows tricks Oct 20 00:20:46 sucky....work crisis Oct 20 00:21:23 i know what you mean. my boss is an ass.. Oct 20 00:21:52 my ass is boss Oct 20 00:21:59 at least if you quit your job you could get away from your boss Oct 20 00:22:02 LOL Oct 20 00:22:15 i'm stuck with me.. Oct 20 00:23:38 * Tibfib is excited for steep discount for dev device Oct 20 00:23:56 quantify "steep" Oct 20 00:24:06 yeah. Oct 20 00:24:38 I'm not buying the Pre2 I don't think Oct 20 00:26:55 it may be the only way I can get it Oct 20 00:26:59 * sugardave grumbles. Oct 20 00:27:49 whats the matter with the emu? Oct 20 00:27:58 sugardave: get... 2.0? Oct 20 00:28:09 emu won't do bt Oct 20 00:28:18 summatusmentis: no, the device Oct 20 00:28:42 sugardave: well... that's the only way to ever get the device right? purchasing it? Oct 20 00:29:15 well, the difference between upgrading on-contract and flat-out purchasing could be substantial Oct 20 00:29:20 mmm, eatin' time Oct 20 00:29:39 oh, yes, that part is true Oct 20 00:29:49 my point was, it's not enough of an upgrade for me to justify purchasing it Oct 20 00:29:54 as of now Oct 20 00:31:28 I can't buy the pre 2 Oct 20 00:31:30 it is not on my carrier Oct 20 00:31:33 >: Oct 20 00:33:26 what's your carrier? Oct 20 00:35:31 your mom? Oct 20 00:38:12 torchie: change your carrier Oct 20 00:38:33 well what if sprint is getting the super device Oct 20 00:39:49 just wait and see lol Oct 20 00:40:18 what if what if Oct 20 00:43:56 well I changed my carrier to sprint so I cld get the pre...id hate to have to do it again Oct 20 00:44:38 i can re-up in july on next yr. sprint might have an hp device by then Oct 20 00:46:38 what if i hp gives me a billion dollars :D Oct 20 00:48:42 what if carriers didnt matter any more? when cell phone service goes the way of the do-do bird and data is all you need to do voip and fring ? Oct 20 00:49:31 maybe you'd get service from the cable company wifi Oct 20 00:49:52 how about when direct-tv starts offering phones Oct 20 00:50:12 tv/phone/game devices Oct 20 00:51:00 Verizon would cost me another $40 per month. Oct 20 00:51:28 webOS TV with Skyp on wifi Oct 20 00:51:33 Skype Oct 20 00:51:40 exactly Oct 20 00:52:07 and Verizon doesn't offer service in my area. Oct 20 00:52:29 move your van to a different river Oct 20 00:52:45 where could you live that verizon doesnt have service? Oct 20 00:52:49 you're confusing me with someone who HAS a van Oct 20 00:52:54 63552 Oct 20 00:52:55 their like, every where Oct 20 00:53:21 no Verizon, no AT&T Oct 20 00:53:45 yeah, all I can get it verizon and att...and att wasn't here until they bought out the regional guys a year or so ago Oct 20 00:54:03 our regional guy is still going strong Oct 20 00:54:29 maybe I could get the unlocked device and use that on CharitonValley Oct 20 00:54:41 and pay $50 a month more Oct 20 00:55:00 Sprint is the only one that works at my house....I work from home 99.99% of the time Oct 20 00:55:26 fella's , move out of the stix Oct 20 00:55:55 bah. There are other benefits to being here beyond cellular service. Oct 20 00:56:07 outhouses ? Oct 20 00:56:17 dude, I'm hardly in the sticks Oct 20 00:56:44 how far from a walmart r u? Oct 20 00:56:46 10 minutes from downtown Austin...it's like there's a hole around this house where it never rains and cell phone service is a crapshoot Oct 20 00:56:52 3 miles Oct 20 00:57:23 harbor freight ? Oct 20 00:58:59 58.7 miles Oct 20 00:59:10 Twitter is fucking me Oct 20 00:59:13 OMG Oct 20 00:59:16 in da butt Oct 20 00:59:21 yes Oct 20 00:59:25 why? Oct 20 01:00:07 http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/6a16efa375532182 Oct 20 01:00:09 that Oct 20 01:00:11 basically Oct 20 01:00:20 JS numbers are limited to 53 bits Oct 20 01:00:33 they're introducing this 64bit ID system Oct 20 01:00:45 that's fine, but since they're sent as integers via JSON, we're fucked Oct 20 01:01:00 solution they wanna do is to tack on string versions in addition to all the ints Oct 20 01:01:15 this I think is bad. they should just go with strings across the board and bite the bullet Oct 20 01:01:27 ouch Oct 20 01:01:37 what's the purpose of the generated status id? Oct 20 01:01:52 well, it's a unique ID for all messages in their system Oct 20 01:02:01 understandably, they need them to scale Oct 20 01:02:10 gotcha Oct 20 01:02:37 why not strings as base64 chars? larger alphabet in fewer digit/chars Oct 20 01:02:40 *shrug* Oct 20 01:02:57 because they didn't think it through Oct 20 01:03:22 seriously, in that post, you can read how they JUST REALIZED it won't work with JS Oct 20 01:04:01 300 people work there, folks. Oct 20 01:28:24 I have a fairly... what I assume is a basic question. If I'm parsing xml that I get via ajax, is there an easy translator to convert it into a javascript structure? or is that left to the developer? Oct 20 01:29:11 well, there are some things like that Oct 20 01:29:27 but my experience has always been that they're kinda flakey Oct 20 01:30:08 this is a jQuery plugin to do it http://www.fyneworks.com/jquery/xml-to-json/ Oct 20 01:30:30 or this http://plugins.jquery.com/project/xmlObjectifier Oct 20 01:31:02 I bet most of the code is not jQ-specific; you could probably pull out the logic if you don't use jQuery Oct 20 01:41:48 I don't use jQuery, I'm just learning all this now Oct 20 01:41:48 I'd like to not have to parse the xml manually, if possible Oct 20 01:42:18 u was under the uimpression that webos 2.0 had document editing but it does not Oct 20 01:42:25 that is crazy Oct 20 01:45:00 When using SQL with a webOS DB, is there any way to put "null" values? I tried many things but still nothing worked so far. Oct 20 01:46:11 Spanska: blank text string will work? Oct 20 01:46:19 apparently not Oct 20 01:46:29 hmm, and null is no go? Oct 20 01:46:35 no Oct 20 01:46:44 what about not specifying that column Oct 20 01:46:47 on insert Oct 20 01:47:02 I want to do an update Oct 20 01:47:25 update to null? Oct 20 01:47:33 * halfhalo is trying to find a cheap hotel in nyc to see if he can do devdays Oct 20 01:47:43 I used this to set an empty string: var SQLNullEventArray = "UPDATE holidays SET eventid='' WHERE id=?"; Oct 20 01:48:06 halfhalo: what about NJ and taking the bus or metro to get to nyc? Oct 20 01:48:08 and it isn't updating eventid to blank? Oct 20 01:48:18 halfhalo: stay out of the city and learn the NYC public transit system Oct 20 01:48:21 no it's not, which is weird Oct 20 01:48:25 * halfhalo dunnos bout that Oct 20 01:48:33 are you sure it's getting run? Oct 20 01:48:42 Its not like LA has public transport or anything Oct 20 01:48:48 halfhalo: I don't either but there must be easy to find maps Oct 20 01:48:51 * halfhalo has been on the bus... twice Oct 20 01:48:56 :p Oct 20 01:48:56 there an app for that Oct 20 01:49:12 sugardave: quite confident, I guess I'll have to do some more testing then Oct 20 01:49:47 sugardave: I know the line right before the transaction call gets called because it's a line with console.log Oct 20 01:50:11 the issue is I will barely scratch up the cash to get there and back, not sure how much I will have for taxi's and public transport and food and stuff like that Oct 20 01:50:14 mostly the food Oct 20 01:50:51 hence why I am trying to find a cheap hotel someone else is staying at so I can bum a ride off them/follow them Oct 20 01:51:12 The joys of being without power :) Oct 20 01:51:46 its a catered event in NYC for $25 Oct 20 01:52:04 deep pockets to store the shrimp Oct 20 01:52:08 lol Oct 20 01:52:22 that still leaves the transport Oct 20 01:52:24 arg. someone convice me to pay $1000 to go to dev days. Oct 20 01:52:28 do it Oct 20 01:52:30 DOIT Oct 20 01:52:49 Palm: You better announce something aweseom Oct 20 01:52:53 lucky for me it's a train ride away Oct 20 01:52:57 and it better be awesome too! Oct 20 01:53:18 so i installed govnah and the pixi kernel but only had options for 600? Oct 20 01:53:27 sugardave: are there sleep functions? would that stop an async db called to run? Oct 20 01:53:29 thought its been OC'd to 900? Oct 20 01:53:34 xbonesx: the OC stuff is only in Warthog, not Uberkernel Oct 20 01:53:36 xbonesx --> see #webos-internals Oct 20 01:53:40 never been to nyc either.. Oct 20 01:54:17 Spanska: there are .defer() and setTimeout() functions, but I don't think they'll stop async calls Oct 20 01:54:19 me either...looks like it's going to cost me about $200 Oct 20 01:54:24 im loving the sprint facebook page lol Oct 20 01:54:38 halfhalo: if you've every been to paris, it's NOTHING like that.. Oct 20 01:54:48 never been there either Oct 20 01:54:57 * Tibfib 's been to paris Oct 20 01:54:58 prague ? Oct 20 01:55:02 nope Oct 20 01:55:07 Winnipeg? Oct 20 01:55:15 why the hell would I go there Oct 20 01:55:20 Dang! I can't decide to go or not. Oct 20 01:55:21 Chatham Islands? Oct 20 01:55:22 Sprint's "Contact Us" page said that if I want the Pre 2 I should buy a Pre :T Oct 20 01:55:53 SineOt: :O Oct 20 01:56:02 sugardave: stop picking places that your getting from rodtime Oct 20 01:56:06 you can get a pre cheap and overclock it to get the same performance as the pre 2 Oct 20 01:56:11 Azerbaijan? Oct 20 01:56:14 SineOt: i added "ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv6" and the "/all" feeds but there was no warthog??? Oct 20 01:56:34 i have a pre already. there is no way I would sign another contract for a pre 2 Oct 20 01:56:51 what's the difference between a Drawer and a Collapsible Divider? Oct 20 01:56:57 It's http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.5/ ;P Oct 20 01:57:05 summatusmentis: EVERYTHING! Oct 20 01:57:09 summatusmentis: more pain with collapsible dividers Oct 20 01:57:14 slightly less pain with drawers Oct 20 01:57:17 oh shit then what did i give that kid lol??? Oct 20 01:57:25 sry for the lang. :( Oct 20 01:57:54 sugardave: but functionally, they're pretty much the same? Oct 20 01:57:54 Dang, I wish I was rich. Oct 20 01:58:01 summatusmentis: almost Oct 20 01:58:16 summatusmentis: functionally similar in that they hide the contents inside/underneath them Oct 20 01:58:33 the hp wireless bundles are so luring, all the extra free stuff Oct 20 01:58:47 Tibfib: "almost" meaning what? Oct 20 01:58:52 slider case, car and wall charger with cover and touchstone Oct 20 01:59:12 summatusmentis: one thing is that Drawers are widgets but collapsible dividers are not Oct 20 01:59:18 summatusmentis: sugardave is right Oct 20 01:59:24 so Drawers get mojo methods, etc Oct 20 01:59:32 SineOt: so is the one i gave the kid a good kernel, i'd hate to see the kids phone take a crap? Oct 20 01:59:39 sugardave: which is where the "slightly less pain" comes from Oct 20 01:59:53 What did you give him? Uberkernel? Oct 20 01:59:54 collapsible dividers are major pains though. Oct 20 01:59:59 summatusmentis: you got it....I still don't like Drawers Oct 20 02:00:03 yesir Oct 20 02:00:13 collapsible dividers are major PITAs, yeah Oct 20 02:00:22 ok Oct 20 02:00:23 but they're nice when you get them working Oct 20 02:00:26 and his govnah worked to have a profile loaded on reboot, why is it that the pre doesnt? Oct 20 02:00:27 That's fine. Uberkernel just doesn't have the OC code in it yet that Warthog has Oct 20 02:01:13 I can't remember but I think one of the Palm examples for Drawers in Style Matters is using a Drawer underneath a collapsible divider Oct 20 02:01:29 that may be how they deal with the pain of showing hiding the contents of a collapsible divider Oct 20 02:02:16 but I can tell you that deciphering Drawers and collapsible divider examples from Style Matters is pretty daunting when you're new to javascript Oct 20 02:02:21 (it was for me, for sure) Oct 20 02:03:46 sugardave: it doesn't work with an empty Array object either... hmm Oct 20 02:04:05 Spanska: so is your onsuccess getting run? Oct 20 02:06:55 sugardave: yes Oct 20 02:08:04 if I'm parsing XML to construct a drawer/list, is there an append option to lists? I feel like I'm missing a connection between parsing XML and making that XML do something in the UI Oct 20 02:09:21 Spanska: weird, according to the sql docs "INSERT INTO table VALUES ('test', null)" should work, so then null would be valid in an UPDATE as well.... Oct 20 02:09:46 is it possible you're running this too fast, like before the record you're trying to modify hasn't finished it's onsuccess yet? Oct 20 02:10:06 *sqlite docs Oct 20 02:10:31 sugardave: do they mention the same about an UPDATE query? Oct 20 02:13:34 summatusmentis: pseudo-drawers ftw! Oct 20 02:14:55 summatusmentis: you can append to the lists items array... Oct 20 02:16:14 Spanska: how about cheating? Oct 20 02:16:53 INSERT OR REPLACE INTO table ..... and use the primary key of the record you want to set, but leave out the eventid column Oct 20 02:17:08 that MIGHT leave eventid null when it does the update Oct 20 02:17:14 or replace, sorry Oct 20 02:19:23 haeffb: but then how does the HTML stuff wirk? Oct 20 02:19:24 work* Oct 20 02:20:13 to update the list? Oct 20 02:20:21 summatusmentis: if you're using a dynamic list with item templates, then when you update it, it gets rendered automagically Oct 20 02:20:29 when you call .modelChanged(theModel); Oct 20 02:20:41 this.myListModel.items.push(newItemFromXML); Oct 20 02:20:50 this.controller.modelChanged(this.myListModel); Oct 20 02:21:17 hrm. Up until now I haven't had to worry about the models side of things Oct 20 02:21:37 you are using a list widget? Oct 20 02:21:54 I'm not using anything right now, still trying to wrap my brain around it Oct 20 02:21:59 ah. Oct 20 02:22:11 parse the XML into an array of objects Oct 20 02:22:31 whats the pixi's default cpu speeds? Oct 20 02:22:41 600MHz i believe Oct 20 02:22:52 oh come on 600? Oct 20 02:22:54 summatusmentis: as an aside, you should investigate the possibility of getting your ajax data to come in as JSON Oct 20 02:22:58 pre default clock is 500 Oct 20 02:23:06 pixi is 600 Oct 20 02:23:10 wow Oct 20 02:23:15 sugardave: afaik, that's not possible currently Oct 20 02:23:18 but it's arm11, not a8 Oct 20 02:23:22 summatusmentis: bummer Oct 20 02:23:35 a8 does 800mhz comfortably Oct 20 02:23:41 Pixi stock max is 600 Oct 20 02:23:50 wow Oct 20 02:23:59 but Warthog overclocks have it up to 768 right now Oct 20 02:24:11 the the set speed for the default values? Oct 20 02:24:17 pre stock cpu freq is 500mhz thats funny if they launched the pixi at 6 Oct 20 02:24:30 right... ? Oct 20 02:24:31 with the upper limits of the "STRONGEST OF THE STRONG" Pixis seeming to be 890mhz Oct 20 02:24:45 sugardave: I think I found the problem Oct 20 02:24:53 haeffb: so XML goes into an array, that array is part of the model, and updating that array ought to also update the view? Oct 20 02:24:56 Spanska: oh yeah? progress! Oct 20 02:24:57 xbonesx: I don't know what you're asking Oct 20 02:25:16 yes, except you have to do the modelChanged() Oct 20 02:25:17 if you look in govnah it gives you max and set Oct 20 02:25:21 sugardave: I'm updating the wrong row, now I have to figure out where I made a mistake Oct 20 02:25:29 sugardave: thanks for your help and ideas Oct 20 02:25:34 Spanska: oops! np Oct 20 02:25:39 there are also other list widget methods like noticeUpdatedItems(), but modelChanged will do Oct 20 02:25:44 haeffb: so I have to manually make the call to do it, but otherwise it should just work Oct 20 02:25:45 the palm default for pre is 500 set and 600 max Oct 20 02:25:50 yep Oct 20 02:25:54 ok, that's what I wasn't following Oct 20 02:25:55 I think Oct 20 02:26:09 are you sure its 600 max? Oct 20 02:26:11 xbonesx: default minimum is 122 or whatever, default max is 600 Oct 20 02:26:16 anyways Oct 20 02:26:17 CTLAdvance: Yes Oct 20 02:26:23 good to know thanks Oct 20 02:26:33 seriously the pixi came stock 600? Oct 20 02:26:37 yup Oct 20 02:26:46 and the pre-bs only got 500, wth Oct 20 02:26:55 different processor Oct 20 02:26:56 it's an older generation chip so even at stock 600 it's not as quick as the stock 500 in the Pre Oct 20 02:27:09 oh ok Oct 20 02:27:13 ~megahertz myth~ Oct 20 02:27:26 * xbonesx wipes his head thinking the pixi came stock faster Oct 20 02:27:56 it is stock faster if all you're going off of is the raw clock speed Oct 20 02:28:21 summatusmentis: http://www.webos101.com/List Oct 20 02:28:34 haeffb: thanks, I always forget about that site Oct 20 02:28:44 * sugardave gets the branding iron. Oct 20 02:28:50 the pixi is no slouch .. Oct 20 02:28:58 i think it has more memory bandwidth than the omap3 does .. Oct 20 02:29:01 no its not Oct 20 02:29:05 and the gpu is a monster too Oct 20 02:29:14 i kinda like the little guy Oct 20 02:29:20 yeah, it's not nearly as bad as I think a lot of people expected it to be Oct 20 02:29:24 especially now with 1.4.5 Oct 20 02:29:42 I will admit that when it shipped running 1.2.9 it was pretty miserable to use Oct 20 02:29:48 still a hardcore pre fan tho Oct 20 02:30:08 are you going to get a pre2 ? Oct 20 02:30:23 I want a Broadway/Pixi 2 XD Oct 20 02:30:38 sugardave: so, I'm gathering that this parsing XML is gonna bite Oct 20 02:30:38 i should have entered the webos mock up, and submitted a larger version of the pixi named pixi unleashed Oct 20 02:30:57 no, not switching carriers Oct 20 02:31:03 summatusmentis: it's not horrible if you're familiar with it...took me awhile to grok it Oct 20 02:31:05 i like sprint Oct 20 02:31:32 the last time (second time) I had to do any XML messing around I used xpath Oct 20 02:31:59 sugardave: I'm decidedly not familiar with it, so I really have to step through the entire document depth-first? Oct 20 02:32:11 first time I did more XML DOM stuff....xpath is better imo Oct 20 02:32:20 summatusmentis: not with xpath Oct 20 02:32:53 it's kind of funky but I knew what xpath was because of the product I work with for my job :D Oct 20 02:33:01 I've heard of xpath Oct 20 02:33:03 I've never used it Oct 20 02:33:13 xpath is kind of like regexp on steroids for xml nodes Oct 20 02:33:21 I'm worried I'm going to have lists of lists of lists Oct 20 02:33:24 * xbonesx is day dreaming of upcoming webos devices, hoping i dont have to wait til middle of next year Oct 20 02:33:56 I'd love to be able to turn xml into the structure provided, but using something WebOSy Oct 20 02:34:44 summatusmentis: so your ultimate goal should be to convert your xml nodes into objects that represent your list items Oct 20 02:36:33 is it cheaper to get the full xml representation and parse through it, or to make multiple, more specfic ajax calls? Oct 20 02:37:25 hmmm...that I don't know. I'd guess the former is cheaper, but it might depend on the size of the data Oct 20 02:39:13 summatusmentis: I have used an XMLtoJSON lib Oct 20 02:39:36 haeffb: is it usable? Oct 20 02:39:40 the one I have works if there are no attribs in the XML Oct 20 02:39:47 attribs? Oct 20 02:39:52 attributes Oct 20 02:40:03 oh, flags within the tags? Oct 20 02:40:08 yes Oct 20 02:40:32 so, depending on your structure, it may make things much easier. Oct 20 02:40:46 what does the XML look like? Oct 20 02:40:47 so whats new everyone? Oct 20 02:41:01 haeffb: d'you want a pastebin of it? Oct 20 02:41:40 sure Oct 20 02:42:26 http://pastebin.com/5TE6HkC2 Oct 20 02:43:10 mostly, the stuff I care about doesn't have attribs Oct 20 02:43:22 but some of them do, speifically the links to the PDF files Oct 20 02:44:02 ugh. Oct 20 02:44:07 xpath Oct 20 02:44:09 That's a whole lot of XML. Oct 20 02:44:16 screw xpath Oct 20 02:44:22 when you execute an xpath, it returns a snapshot of items Oct 20 02:44:30 send each file to halfhalo and let him send you JSON back Oct 20 02:44:33 and then you can build your list by iterating through the snapshit Oct 20 02:44:37 the pre is a toddlers toy Oct 20 02:44:39 snapshot Oct 20 02:44:40 SineOt: it's essentially a full dump Oct 20 02:44:44 * halfhalo has a node script for that Oct 20 02:44:58 halfhalo: I don't think his code uses node Oct 20 02:45:08 WELL WHOS FAULT IS THAT? Oct 20 02:45:12 it decidedly does not Oct 20 02:45:19 halfhalo: oil? Oct 20 02:45:24 node is something I find really cool, but don't really want to play with now Oct 20 02:45:25 nope Oct 20 02:45:31 ? Oct 20 02:45:49 oh yeah, oil, wirc killed my battery from 58% to 0% in 45 minutes! Oct 20 02:45:56 summatusmentis: http://www.terracoder.com/ Oct 20 02:45:58 I jave an example of converting PLIST files to JSON objects Oct 20 02:46:02 thats about average for wirc Oct 20 02:46:17 SineOt: low signal area? Oct 20 02:46:31 I mostly just wanted a reason to blame you for something :I Oct 20 02:47:35 lol Oct 20 02:47:36 haeffb: will it work if my nodes have attributes? Oct 20 02:47:58 not sure, that's not the one I used. Oct 20 02:48:17 http://www.thomasfrank.se/xml_to_json.html Oct 20 02:48:36 and that one will work, it just won't give you the attributes Oct 20 02:48:47 I need the attributes, ideally Oct 20 02:48:55 then try the first one? Oct 20 02:49:00 or look into xpath? Oct 20 02:49:36 yeah, I don't mean to keep hasing over the same options over and over again Oct 20 02:49:50 this app was coming along so easily before I hit this part :) Oct 20 02:50:33 summatusmentis: here is the example, it's the first time I used it, so can probably be improved a lot, but gives you an idea: http://pastebin.com/DhwH5cxS Oct 20 02:50:42 * halfhalo volunteers up an old verrsion of steamfriends for summatusmentis to take apart and learn from for xml Oct 20 02:51:49 halfhalo: there's enough stuff online that I think I'll be ok Oct 20 02:51:53 thanks for the offer though Oct 20 02:52:08 well, i do attributes and all that with no xpath Oct 20 02:52:30 what's wrong with it Oct 20 02:52:31 ? Oct 20 02:52:57 halfhalo: I'll take a link if nothing else, and decide from there Oct 20 02:52:57 summatusmentis: Actually, since this is your first time dealing with XML parse, I'd recommend do it by hand...you'll learn more that way. Oct 20 02:53:08 ouch Oct 20 02:53:09 haeffb: :( yeah yeah, I know Oct 20 02:53:12 I just don't want to Oct 20 02:53:26 ok. xmlObjectifier looks pretty good, then. Oct 20 02:54:41 I'll fight with this stuff for a while, thanks for all the help **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 20 02:59:56 2010