**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 26 03:00:10 2010 Oct 26 03:05:07 yes, the "lightning round" guys are all there. Oct 26 03:05:54 ah, good. Oct 26 03:06:59 man, rwhitby: you're going to have an insanely long flight, aren't you? Oct 26 03:07:45 a day+ Oct 26 03:08:05 27h'ish Oct 26 03:08:55 * oil is a few blocks south of "four points" Oct 26 03:09:08 27 hours, good lord :C Oct 26 03:09:21 assigned seating? Oct 26 03:10:35 not yet Oct 26 03:10:49 cattle class. I'm used to it. Oct 26 03:11:50 yeah, it's fine unless you end up getting those seats at the very back of the plane that don't recline :p Oct 26 03:14:12 doh. just saw the macbook air commercial. do they make a version that runs win7? Oct 26 03:14:28 they all run win7 P: Oct 26 03:18:20 JenP: yes, 77% :D Oct 26 03:18:31 sugardave that's great! Oct 26 03:18:42 and then I realized a picked the incorrect hotel when estimating, but that's okay Oct 26 03:18:48 lol Oct 26 03:18:50 I should have some app money coming between now and then :D Oct 26 03:20:59 JenP: are you going to be there? Oct 26 03:21:22 no Oct 26 03:21:39 so take lots of pictures for me Oct 26 03:22:00 I will, I'm bad at that Oct 26 03:24:57 pictures of what? Oct 26 03:25:37 naked pictures of you BMyers....sugardave's gonna be stalking you for me Oct 26 03:27:45 i think it's one of those no shirt , no shoes, no entry type events.. Oct 26 03:28:30 no shirt, no shoes, no free Palm Pre 2 Oct 26 03:28:38 (A) lol Oct 26 03:29:14 but I'm sure there will be mixer events too, those are more open Oct 26 03:31:20 haeffb: decide what you'll be presenting yet? Oct 26 03:34:50 cloud sync Oct 26 03:35:32 * halfhalo gives haeffb a high five Oct 26 03:35:53 * haeffb accepts high five and returns fist bump Oct 26 03:36:38 * halfhalo does cloud sync on a whole nother level though Oct 26 03:37:29 * CTLAdvance wishes we had mesh for webOS because that synced everything from my palm treo pro Oct 26 03:38:11 cloud sync on a whole 'nother level: ionosphere sync? Oct 26 03:38:14 cool haeffb : sounds solid Oct 26 03:38:22 yup Oct 26 03:38:26 meh. Oct 26 03:38:37 REST ftw Oct 26 03:39:20 CTLAdvance: mesh? Oct 26 03:39:31 not mesh networking, I assume Oct 26 03:39:41 no Oct 26 03:39:41 windows live mesh... ? Oct 26 03:39:44 yes Oct 26 03:39:48 ah Oct 26 03:39:54 live mesh is no more though Oct 26 03:41:03 Palm should really spend like 2 or 3 weeks and setup backup to save everything into the cloud so that we can access it from anywhere Oct 26 03:41:14 contacts, files on the usb drive, etc etc Oct 26 03:41:26 well more like a month or so Oct 26 03:41:42 :) Oct 26 03:41:47 I would love the option to be be able to sync my pre against any server I choose Oct 26 03:41:51 given the existance of a Pixi without Wifi, syncing USB to the cloud would take foreverrrrrrrrrr Oct 26 03:42:17 wel usb sync to computer with wifi to cloud wouldnt Oct 26 03:42:25 pixi over evdo would Oct 26 03:42:33 I already do that with Dropbox, etc ;P Oct 26 03:43:01 The thing is, Palm could integrate their backup more than dropbox could ever Oct 26 03:43:25 they could make it so you can control every aspect of the os remotely and all the files, sms, contacts etc Oct 26 03:43:32 hopefully its in the idea box Oct 26 03:43:42 kind of like the Jolicloud launcher Oct 26 03:43:48 yeah sort of Oct 26 03:43:51 or like kin Oct 26 03:43:52 (which is really cool if you've never played with it) Oct 26 03:44:03 or like the new sync for windows phone 7 Oct 26 03:44:33 I think android is fairly intigrated with google stuff, docs etc Oct 26 03:46:32 eh, to a degree. It's about as integrated as the Google Contacts sync is in webOS Oct 26 03:49:38 living on an evo right now i gotta say that google integration on the pre is pretty good Oct 26 03:52:54 I just wish the pre had more access to google's dogfood Oct 26 03:53:10 bah Oct 26 03:53:22 I wish it had more access to live/bing services Oct 26 03:53:24 :) Oct 26 03:53:25 the native google voice app was nice Oct 26 03:53:35 I am looking at this playbook Oct 26 03:53:39 and threaded conversations Oct 26 03:53:53 I wonder how palm will show different then this Oct 26 03:54:05 its such a webOS ripoff I cant stand it Oct 26 03:55:01 talk to you guys later...i've got to go run errands Oct 26 03:55:02 probably by not doing it like RIM has Oct 26 03:55:31 showing it behind pexiglass and running looped videos at the launch, then letting Adobe show off most of it, then letting your devs have the Simulator with... Nothing :Q Oct 26 03:55:35 rim seems to have done a good job with this tablet, cant wait until we see a hands on and its clocked at like 600mhz or something Oct 26 03:55:51 heh Oct 26 03:56:08 I think it'll be more that since it's a dual core 1GHZ, that the battery life will be like 3 hours Oct 26 03:56:23 (Notice: They haven't said a single thing about battery life at all since announcing it) Oct 26 04:01:48 I know it Oct 26 04:05:19 windows phone 7 already at 1000 apps. crazy Oct 26 04:35:26 everyone is using the tux penguin now for their app icons Oct 26 04:36:34 Hexley > Tux Oct 26 04:37:08 what is a hexley Oct 26 04:37:34 Darwin's platypus mascot Oct 26 04:37:37 http://www.hexley.com/ Oct 26 04:37:42 (I had to look it up) Oct 26 04:37:57 CTLAdvance: yeah, lots of tux on my launcher Oct 26 04:39:34 SineOt: does Hexley always wear the red hat? Oct 26 04:39:51 but not just wosint Oct 26 04:39:58 lots of others copying Oct 26 04:40:07 I dont like hexley Oct 26 04:40:19 tux pwns hexley Oct 26 04:41:07 * sugardav1 gets back from the airport. "So, what do you do when you have to pick up an unaccompanied minor and there are no TSA agents to screen you and get you through the closed security?" Oct 26 04:41:20 you try not to panic Oct 26 04:41:38 and REALLY RESIST the urge to yell at the opsec guys Oct 26 04:41:39 you wait outside of security checkpoint Oct 26 04:41:51 summatusmentis: most of the time yeah Oct 26 04:41:54 omg like Oct 26 04:42:05 * CTLAdvance thinks that the rent is too damn high Oct 26 04:43:11 * CTLAdvance thinks this guy is just to damn high Oct 26 05:00:48 what does tux have to do with flipping text? Oct 26 05:01:42 it's "hackerish" is my best guess Oct 26 05:01:52 and you know how them "hackers" love "loonix" Oct 26 05:02:58 ah, Gomez Industries seem to have a tux for all their apps Oct 26 05:03:04 X-ray thing too Oct 26 05:03:32 are all their stuff oss? Oct 26 05:04:42 X Ray glasses? Oct 26 05:04:50 * halfhalo wants a pair Oct 26 05:08:46 its probably some punk fresh out of college who was brainwashed by his prof. that linux is the future Oct 26 05:08:48 lol Oct 26 05:10:00 I don't feel like professors say that though Oct 26 05:10:12 thats because you have been brainwashed Oct 26 05:10:25 jk Oct 26 05:10:34 but I see a lot of them do it Oct 26 05:11:04 in europe the advertise phone apps that use the camera to take the clothes off people you point it at. Oct 26 05:11:31 I laughed when I saw this Oct 26 05:37:24 Hey, anyone know how to prevent a multiline textfield from growing out of control? Oct 26 05:37:47 LimitResize seems to have no effect and preventResize keeps it at one line. Oct 26 05:44:00 Roy-Pre101: that's strange, I think I had limitResize working in an app Oct 26 05:44:15 let me see the other attrs Oct 26 05:44:32 It looks like you must set max-height on the div Oct 26 05:44:35 I set height. Oct 26 05:44:50 You can specify a model property for max width. Oct 26 05:44:53 But not for height it seems Oct 26 05:45:19 crap, that didn't work either. Oct 26 05:45:49 Roy-Pre101: hmm, hang on a sec let me look at my css, too Oct 26 05:46:11 OK. Oct 26 05:47:04 Hmm, and autoFocus: false doesn't seem to be working. Ooooh, I know. It's the only widget. I need to tell it not to focus anything Oct 26 05:47:20 Need to remember how to do that. Oct 26 05:47:49 setInitialFocusedElemet(null) Oct 26 05:47:55 or something like that :D Oct 26 05:48:11 Ah. Oct 26 05:48:13 I'm still trying to figure out how I did this limiting or if I gave up, because I don't seem to have that in this code Oct 26 05:48:20 I changed the css on the wrong element. Oct 26 05:48:22 Trying again Oct 26 05:48:49 That fixes it. max-height is the key Oct 26 05:49:03 Although, it still goes below my edit field. Oct 26 05:49:07 max height Oct 26 05:49:13 but it's not too bad. Oct 26 05:49:31 I bet if I specified in ems it would work. Oct 26 05:49:55 I must have given up Oct 26 05:50:16 or I'm looking at the wrong project :D Oct 26 05:51:12 So weird. Oct 26 05:51:32 It's cutting off in the wrong place. Oct 26 05:58:17 The source for textfield talks about a 'shill' element. I wonder if they just didn't know how to spell 'shim'? Oct 26 05:58:58 shill could be accurate, if it's the hintText or something Oct 26 06:02:56 Hmm, could be! Oct 26 06:03:19 hello all Oct 26 06:03:34 I know I had it working, but ditched it because of Pixi screen height Oct 26 06:03:39 it ended up only giving one line Oct 26 06:03:51 since it was the bottom of the scene Oct 26 06:03:53 hi LoneStar99 Oct 26 06:04:56 Roy-Pre101: what about setting max-height and then messing around with the padding/margin for the "other" div that actually holds the text Oct 26 06:05:00 morning Oct 26 06:05:05 hi swisstomcat Oct 26 06:05:21 'morning swisstomcat Oct 26 06:05:24 still up? Oct 26 06:05:28 sugardave: I will probably play around with it more later. Oct 26 06:05:34 hi sugardave Oct 26 06:05:37 hi dkirker Oct 26 06:05:47 anod now I'm off to bed, night! :D Oct 26 06:05:54 night Oct 26 06:05:55 I need to make the size a little bigger so the text fits properly. Which is hard to do with variable size text, I think Oct 26 06:06:02 good night sugardave Oct 26 06:07:09 And I think it's about time for me to get some sleep, too Oct 26 06:07:55 No sleep for me... Oct 26 06:08:49 night roy-pre101 Oct 26 06:12:55 been away from webos for nearly a month =( Oct 26 06:13:12 emailed about the new Pre 2 device Oct 26 06:13:28 night sugardave Oct 26 06:14:15 can't really work on any webos stuff for another month Oct 26 06:14:22 swamped with web work Oct 26 06:15:21 hi everyone...another over night here for me Oct 26 06:15:29 too Oct 26 06:15:50 over night? Oct 26 06:15:56 its 2 am Oct 26 06:15:59 all nighter Oct 26 06:16:21 500 ideas and i can only work on one at a time Oct 26 06:16:30 drives me nuts Oct 26 06:16:40 whoolio: yeah hear that Oct 26 06:16:50 gonna pull a late night myself Oct 26 06:17:00 but on none webos stuff Oct 26 06:17:32 can't touch webos could for atleast a month, or else will not get clients work done Oct 26 06:17:47 webos could = webos code Oct 26 06:17:48 i cant' get work done in the day anymore Oct 26 06:18:03 i got a baby in the house Oct 26 06:18:16 whoolio: oh that will do it forsure Oct 26 06:18:42 yup Oct 26 06:18:46 whoolio: congrats Oct 26 06:19:00 thanks Oct 26 06:19:04 its 4 months now Oct 26 06:19:38 good morning Oct 26 06:19:45 good morning Oct 26 06:20:25 morning hotdp Oct 26 06:20:34 LoneStar99 long time no see? Oct 26 06:20:58 lonestar...are you in europe too? Oct 26 06:21:07 yeah was busy in San diego, partying, looking for an apartment, and stressing out Oct 26 06:21:28 And how did it go then? Oct 26 06:21:33 i guess that answered both of us...haha Oct 26 06:21:46 whoolio: in Mexico at a cousins house, getting work done so, I can go back to San Diego Oct 26 06:22:15 hotdp: it went well, but decided to go back once i get all my work done Oct 26 06:22:37 i meet to many people and do not get work done Oct 26 06:22:54 i see Oct 26 06:22:58 so no SD for you yet? Oct 26 06:23:48 yeah was there for like 3 weeks, and will go back once i get all my web work done for clients Oct 26 06:25:04 hotdp: i meet a girl from NYC, but will not be able to go to the Dev Days in NYC either =( Oct 26 06:25:40 hotdp: feel very behind with work, i am getting paid for work still not built... Oct 26 06:26:02 i meet = i met Oct 26 06:26:29 you want be in nyc :o Oct 26 06:28:01 hotdp: u still going? Oct 26 06:29:07 sure Oct 26 06:29:15 getting flight ticket today Oct 26 06:29:23 wow nice Oct 26 06:29:31 but if you cant you cant. Nothing todo about that Oct 26 06:29:33 but a shame Oct 26 06:29:52 hotdp: don't count me out yet... Oct 26 06:30:17 but like 40% i will go Oct 26 06:30:23 uhh Oct 26 06:32:35 how many people go to the dev days? Oct 26 06:33:37 u think it will be hundreds? Oct 26 06:34:27 hotdp: los angeles to NYC only $299 round trip Oct 26 06:34:45 whoolio there will be hundreds Oct 26 06:34:50 i think Oct 26 06:34:50 hmmm... will contact my friend tommara Oct 26 06:35:28 hotdp: don't count me out yet =) Oct 26 06:35:46 only main problem is I am in Mexico now Oct 26 06:35:52 I don't want you to use money you dont have :) Oct 26 06:36:04 yeah Oct 26 06:36:44 not really a money issue more, a work issue, Oct 26 06:37:06 oki Oct 26 06:37:09 let me know :) Oct 26 06:37:17 have like 3 clients right now expecting something soon Oct 26 06:39:21 that sounds nasty :) Oct 26 06:40:26 hotdp: will have one done in the next few days, but that will leave me with 2 more large projects Oct 26 06:40:51 hotdp: can't even touch webos, until i get this stuff done Oct 26 06:41:07 no bueno Oct 26 06:42:52 I didn't go to sleep. So, question: Oct 26 06:43:08 hello Roy-Pre101 Oct 26 06:43:15 I need to display some textfields for users to enter their username, e-mail address and an optional URL Oct 26 06:43:25 I was going to put them all in one groupbox. Oct 26 06:43:40 but it looks like Palm usually puts each textfield into a separate groupbox. Oct 26 06:43:46 Thoughts? Oct 26 06:43:58 Just use the hint text to say what the field is? Oct 26 06:44:15 hmm Oct 26 06:44:16 Roy-Pre101: let me see what i have done Oct 26 06:44:31 why not just one groupbox? Oct 26 06:44:56 The groupbox header gives you a chance to describe the text. >shrug< Oct 26 06:45:41 Roy-Pre101 if you make 1 group it should be "info.." Oct 26 06:45:48 yeah Oct 26 06:45:50 Its a design choice :) Oct 26 06:46:12 the groupbox header would be the general info, the textfield info the specific one Oct 26 06:46:15 Well, I do have a name for the group already. Oct 26 06:46:22 Roy-Pre101: http://pastebin.com/smAUNJJx Oct 26 06:47:02 swisstomcat any news from hp? Oct 26 06:47:10 nope Oct 26 06:47:17 not a word Oct 26 06:48:38 LoneStar99: Why the padding? Oct 26 06:50:31 Roy-Pre101: let me think Oct 26 06:53:40 Roy-Pre101: http://pastebin.com/xnfLUMMC Oct 26 06:54:21 swisstomcat...what news are u waiting on from hp Oct 26 06:54:34 a job :) Oct 26 06:54:45 hook me up if u get one! Oct 26 06:54:58 Roy-Pre101: i have my text fields in a box that is 270px wide and needed the text fields to looked centered Oct 26 06:54:58 u gave notice already right? Oct 26 06:55:11 swisstomcat: nice job in europe or us? Oct 26 06:55:56 not sure yet Oct 26 06:56:05 preferrably europe but us as well Oct 26 06:56:51 swisstomcat: nice good luck Oct 26 06:56:58 thx Oct 26 06:57:02 we'll see if it works out Oct 26 06:57:11 since i quit my day job Oct 26 06:57:32 ive been lookign for a job for a month...its rough..and im close to NYC Oct 26 06:57:52 whoolio does not sound good Oct 26 06:58:01 Pro tip: before copying and pasting some code over and over, remove the typos. Oct 26 06:58:02 what job are you seeking? Oct 26 06:58:12 Roy-Pre101 lol :) Oct 26 06:58:13 with ecommerce, insurance/finance industry, .net, iphone, ipad, ms SQL experience Oct 26 06:58:27 developer relations & support Oct 26 06:58:41 Roy-Pre101: does the html code have typos? Oct 26 06:58:57 i wish u luck swisstomcat Oct 26 06:59:04 you deserve it Oct 26 06:59:04 thank you Oct 26 06:59:19 LoneStar99: no, something else I was doing Oct 26 06:59:20 yeah we all wish swisstomcat great luck! Oct 26 06:59:24 maybe i should start a twitter storm ... #hireswisstomcat Oct 26 06:59:43 #palmswisstomcat Oct 26 06:59:48 well...tehre are 2 openings as of this past monday Oct 26 06:59:52 #hirepalmtomcat Oct 26 07:00:14 just start sending them things you woudl fix...im suire they'd appreciate that Oct 26 07:00:16 ;p; Oct 26 07:00:17 lol Oct 26 07:00:45 wow, bitten twice by the copy/paste typo thing. Oct 26 07:00:52 Time to sleep, apparently. Oct 26 07:01:07 Good night :) Oct 26 07:02:01 Whew, this textfield is really ugly on the image background. Oct 26 07:02:18 Would also be nice if a tap in the row selected the textfield. Oct 26 07:02:37 As the textfield is shorter than the group row Oct 26 07:03:48 Roy-Pre101: i had a hard time getting my text fields to finally look right Oct 26 07:05:32 I'll figure it out at some point, just not now. Oct 26 07:06:03 lets get t-shirts that say "hire swisstomcat" and where them to dev day Oct 26 07:06:28 hehe Oct 26 07:06:29 cool idea Oct 26 07:06:44 yeah Oct 26 07:06:44 with a qrcode that takes u to his site Oct 26 07:07:00 i applied to the one opening "developer relations engineer" Oct 26 07:07:09 heard nothing Oct 26 07:07:13 you would come to the us? Oct 26 07:07:17 yeah Oct 26 07:07:34 wrote to the GM/VP of HP's attach group (new home of Palm Developer Relations) ... nothing Oct 26 07:07:46 Bleh, the hint text is white on white. Oct 26 07:07:47 i'd prefer europe ... because they really need people here Oct 26 07:07:52 when the field is selected. Oct 26 07:09:41 ugh. And the text field extends beyond the edge of the groupbox. Oct 26 07:09:46 when selected. Oct 26 07:09:53 swisstincat..where are the jobs listed? Oct 26 07:09:56 Don't you think they could make things fit right? Oct 26 07:12:31 found ity Oct 26 07:12:31 never mind Oct 26 07:35:44 * rwhitby keeps wondering what a Hires Wisstom Cat looks like Oct 26 07:36:42 lol! Oct 26 07:42:02 hehe Oct 26 07:42:42 <[AD]Turbo> yo Oct 26 07:43:45 mornin' Oct 26 07:43:56 yo, wassup man Oct 26 07:46:26 <[AD]Turbo> nothing special ;) Oct 26 08:20:01 alright folks chat tommorrow have a great -day - or night Oct 26 08:20:38 night lonestar Oct 26 08:20:54 laters swisstomcat Oct 26 08:28:48 night everyone Oct 26 08:29:40 swisstomcat for president! Oct 26 08:29:57 hehe Oct 26 08:36:51 evenin everyone Oct 26 08:37:35 do any of you know how I can find some documentation on the BrowserServer program that runs behind the scenes of the webos browser? Oct 26 08:38:04 I guess it's a C++ app, and there's stuff going on that isn't documented in the webos webview widget docs Oct 26 08:38:28 BrowserServer anybody? :D Oct 26 08:44:42 :/ Oct 26 08:45:27 damn Oct 26 08:45:55 maybe you have to try dev forum? Oct 26 08:47:23 i have one dead thread about it Oct 26 08:47:34 no action there Oct 26 08:48:24 mornin' pandora Oct 26 08:48:40 #webos-internals? Oct 26 08:55:41 worth a shot Oct 26 08:55:49 though, maybe not at 1:51am... Oct 26 09:07:06 :) Oct 26 09:07:10 try in 8 hours Oct 26 09:15:04 yeah Oct 26 09:19:38 ok Oct 26 09:19:47 this qr code scanner sukcs Oct 26 09:20:02 the one on the ifail works better Oct 26 09:20:11 I'm going to write one that owrks like the ifphones one Oct 26 09:22:34 first we need a better camera Oct 26 09:24:20 yeah Oct 26 09:24:41 one which allows you to take a picture from closer than 3 feet Oct 26 09:24:57 need a pre 2 to test Oct 26 09:25:46 do we know if it has a 'real' lense in it? Oct 26 09:25:55 we know it's 5mp Oct 26 09:26:02 but, can it focus on something? Oct 26 09:26:48 no idea Oct 26 09:27:01 ask the endgadget/precentral people that have one :) Oct 26 09:28:57 ooooh yeah! Oct 26 09:29:01 that would be nice Oct 26 09:29:17 i really wish i could focus on the pre Oct 26 09:29:36 i think it can't? Oct 26 09:29:49 that's my guess as well Oct 26 09:29:58 otherwise they probably would have mentioned it Oct 26 09:30:04 i think i remember to have heard it, that the only change is the mp Oct 26 09:30:14 :( Oct 26 09:30:22 pre has a 5 year old camera Oct 26 09:30:30 pre 2 has a 4 year old camera Oct 26 09:30:33 yeeeeaayyyyyy Oct 26 09:33:03 hmm, working on a new logo: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/inorbit.png Oct 26 09:37:17 thats quite a lot of logo Oct 26 09:38:41 meaning? Oct 26 09:39:56 its large? Oct 26 09:40:25 oh .. yeahg Oct 26 09:40:34 it's supposed to go in front of a webpage Oct 26 10:12:31 good morning Oct 26 10:12:50 morning warpdesign Oct 26 12:29:03 DAMN hotels cost alot in NYC :S Oct 26 12:41:09 yeah no kidding Oct 26 12:41:19 yeah Oct 26 12:41:31 look outside of manhattan Oct 26 12:41:34 even the microhotels are $100 for a night Oct 26 12:41:50 Just published: "Introduction to webOS SDK Development, 5-part Tutorial Series" http://bit.ly/dqXXOu Oct 26 12:48:42 nice...now to get myself some free time to actually work on it... Oct 26 13:07:00 nobody is awake yet? i should have slept in Oct 26 13:07:19 actually getting caught up i see that adora has left hp palm? Oct 26 13:15:03 swisstomcat did you make the tuts with jquery mobile? Oct 26 13:15:35 no Oct 26 13:15:48 bmyers: really?!?! Oct 26 13:15:59 source? Oct 26 13:16:09 hotdp: look at the source link, it's a nettuts tutorial Oct 26 13:16:22 yer i saw it now :=) Oct 26 13:16:26 twiier and her blog Oct 26 13:16:35 twtr Oct 26 13:16:41 But i think it should be in a webview the buttoms in the bottom ruins it Oct 26 13:18:03 dammit! Oct 26 13:18:14 what's going on .. ben,dion,lisa .. who's next .. chuq? Oct 26 13:19:54 what's her blog? Oct 26 13:22:25 twitter.com/adora has nothing Oct 26 13:25:17 http://almaer.com/blog/setting-our-own-direction Oct 26 13:25:30 WHAAAT Oct 26 13:25:34 MAKE IT STOP Oct 26 13:25:58 maybe its not her but Dion Oct 26 13:26:01 Where is Adora? the ben.. is oold Oct 26 13:26:14 Ben and Dion is "old" news Oct 26 13:26:18 yeah Oct 26 13:26:22 4 days Oct 26 13:26:31 maybe i got it wrong there Oct 26 13:26:38 it's ben and dion leaving Oct 26 13:26:58 which kinda bad news too Oct 26 13:27:18 ok, promise not to write anything b4 my 2nd cup-o-joe next time Oct 26 13:27:25 hehe Oct 26 13:27:30 it will end soon since no one will be left.. Oct 26 13:27:32 i almost had a heart attack Oct 26 13:27:36 :) Oct 26 13:27:43 Dr.EVOL is speeading FUD trying to get us to switch to droid Oct 26 13:27:52 lol Oct 26 13:32:59 hahahahaha haeffb_pre well said Oct 26 13:35:35 sup fellas Oct 26 13:35:41 just put my phone into developer mode! Oct 26 13:35:47 not sure what the hell i'm gonna do with it Oct 26 13:36:19 lol Oct 26 13:36:34 Turn if back off again then? Oct 26 13:37:51 is it bad having it on? Oct 26 13:40:29 <[AD]Turbo> yes, it's a bad idea, the risk is to have the phone full of porno Oct 26 13:41:02 uh Oct 26 13:41:09 so enabling developer mode means i'll have porno Oct 26 13:41:33 how come its hard to get straight answeres out of anyone here? Oct 26 13:41:56 :) Oct 26 13:42:13 the reason to have it in dev mode is to use it for dev stuff Oct 26 13:42:20 having it for having it does not make sense Oct 26 13:42:21 define "dev stuff" Oct 26 13:42:33 WebOS quickinstall ect Oct 26 13:42:45 <[AD]Turbo> :) Oct 26 13:42:51 quickinstall of what Oct 26 13:43:11 i probably don't need this phone in dev mode, but i would like access to the linux system Oct 26 13:43:16 be able to SSH in or out Oct 26 13:43:48 i read something about 'preware' tools Oct 26 13:43:52 but i'm no tsure how to get them on my pixi Oct 26 13:44:41 Dev mode is for sending stuff over USB that is not normally avalible Oct 26 13:49:02 leku, in order to ssh in or out you will need the phone in dev mode. Oct 26 13:49:07 but that's simple enough Oct 26 13:49:54 cool Oct 26 13:49:57 Ok I have it in devmode Oct 26 13:50:14 so I guess I do need it for something, good deal Oct 26 13:50:23 what next? preware tools for the ssh client? Oct 26 13:52:32 http://install.preware.org Oct 26 13:58:06 thx Oct 26 13:59:28 leku: if you feel confident with the linux commandline, try this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_Commandline Oct 26 13:59:31 fastest way Oct 26 14:06:09 thanks swiss Oct 26 14:06:22 I'll have to wait until I get to a wifi network, my phone won't give me data up here in canada Oct 26 14:06:29 sprint did but not verizon Oct 26 14:09:37 oh Oct 26 14:11:23 this 24 hour delay for betas is UNACCEPTABLE Oct 26 14:15:09 delay? Oct 26 14:16:13 well, when you submit a beta app, now the site tells you to expect 24 hours before the update shows. It seems to actually take close to that, too Oct 26 14:23:36 this is pissing me off Oct 26 14:23:48 I created an adhoc network on my win7 laptop but my pixi can't conect to it Oct 26 14:24:00 it doesn't show u pin the network list either Oct 26 14:29:45 interetsing. My Pre can connect to wifi at work...even tho it's not supposed to be able to do so... Oct 26 14:31:43 or not Oct 26 14:32:59 lol Oct 26 14:33:06 i just want to "tether" it to my laptop Oct 26 14:33:09 so ic an get data services Oct 26 14:33:15 it should work Oct 26 14:34:48 funkatron: i don't think it's actually 24 hours Oct 26 14:34:57 any palm employees here? Oct 26 14:35:00 that's what we call a "reverse tether." using the USB to get internet service INTO the phone. Oct 26 14:35:08 now or ones that stop in? Oct 26 14:35:12 well, last time I submitted, it took nearly 24hr. *shrug* 8) Oct 26 14:35:17 Rick_work: i shouldn't have to use USB though Oct 26 14:35:22 Why not just install wifi router software onto the laptop and connect to that? Oct 26 14:35:28 um Oct 26 14:35:29 thats what i'm talking about Oct 26 14:35:33 you don't need to install anything though Oct 26 14:35:41 its inherent in windows back to XP days Oct 26 14:35:41 Palm employees stop in almost every day. Oct 26 14:35:43 ad-hoc networking Oct 26 14:36:02 does webos support ad-hoc networks? Oct 26 14:36:16 well i don't see how it would be able to differentiate between the two Oct 26 14:36:16 not out of the box. Oct 26 14:36:27 i didn't think they were different Oct 26 14:36:39 so you think I need some softwaer like 'connectify'? Oct 26 14:38:38 hm Oct 26 14:38:52 looks like if you have access to the shell you can do it Oct 26 14:39:34 you can. SSH tunnel. simple enough. Oct 26 14:40:11 yeah Oct 26 14:40:17 assuming I could talk to it Oct 26 14:40:26 I think there is some software for win7 that will actually turn it into a AP Oct 26 14:40:54 http://www.connectify.me/ Oct 26 14:41:26 there are a BUNCH of win7 compatible router packages. Oct 26 14:41:37 anything you recommend? Oct 26 14:43:56 * oil wonders when sugardave is going to book his flight for devdays Oct 26 14:50:14 too bad i forgot my usb cable at the hotel Oct 26 14:50:20 coulda done this reverse tether shite Oct 26 14:53:04 no wifi at the hotel? Oct 26 14:53:26 no wifi at the office Oct 26 14:53:42 i'm a consultant Oct 26 14:54:03 oh Oct 26 14:55:02 i'm roaming internatinoally with my sprint broadband card up in canada now Oct 26 14:55:13 i wish i could give them the bill too because it's going ot be high Oct 26 14:55:19 hehe Oct 26 14:56:31 fuck it Oct 26 14:56:44 i'm gonna go back and get it, their sql server is down anyways so I can't do shit Oct 26 14:57:21 it's really amazing how many customers pay us to sit around doing nothing for 250-300$ an hr Oct 26 14:57:47 brb Oct 26 15:22:00 so like Oct 26 15:22:09 totally Oct 26 15:22:27 is there a webOS app that will let me use my pre as a wifi router without paying AT&T for it? Oct 26 15:22:33 not that I would do such a thing. Oct 26 15:22:46 one would be in violation of his tos Oct 26 15:22:59 yes, this is a theoretical exercise Oct 26 15:23:11 but as it was explained to me, you need freetether, freetether-d service and the hotspot app Oct 26 15:24:47 very good to know Oct 26 15:25:00 not that you would install all of these Oct 26 15:25:31 wait, isnt the hot spot app already on att? Oct 26 15:25:51 what I said may not apply, im talking as a sprint user Oct 26 15:26:03 worth a shot though Oct 26 15:26:09 unless someone knows better Oct 26 15:26:20 sure Oct 26 15:27:53 I wonder if palm was granted a patent for the cards interface, I thought they were Oct 26 15:29:29 funkatron: there is http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspot Oct 26 15:29:37 but I can't figure out how to install it Oct 26 15:29:48 the app catalog refuses because of my carrier Oct 26 15:30:29 yeah Oct 26 15:30:33 no love for me either Oct 26 15:30:35 alas Oct 26 15:31:07 I guess I could SSH tunnel it Oct 26 15:31:20 just out of curiosity, but is it possible to download straight ipk files or are they always one-time download links? Oct 26 15:31:30 oil: soon, I'm moving money to my cc to book my hotel in a couple of days Oct 26 15:31:40 funkatron: ssh tunnel a socks proxy Oct 26 15:31:40 if you install an app like Preware, I think it will be the handler for .ipk files Oct 26 15:31:57 or Internalzzzzz Oct 26 15:32:19 funkatron: nope, I have preware Oct 26 15:32:29 it opens the app catalog when you try to install the hotspot app Oct 26 15:32:47 the palm links are specially handled by the app catalog Oct 26 15:32:53 same as the web and beta feeds Oct 26 15:33:14 ahh Oct 26 15:33:32 they're spatial Oct 26 15:35:25 hey guys Oct 26 15:35:30 got my usb cable Oct 26 15:35:37 i need to do the webos quickinstall thing now? Oct 26 15:35:46 to be able to install preware Oct 26 15:40:06 sugardave: reach 100% yet? Oct 26 15:40:29 not yet, 77% Oct 26 15:40:35 "close enough" to start booking Oct 26 15:42:11 what is this devdays? Oct 26 15:47:35 hey Oct 26 15:47:43 my buddy says you can overclock these phones Oct 26 15:48:58 hm Oct 26 15:49:29 crazy Oct 26 15:49:34 sounds dangerous Oct 26 15:51:17 leku: overclocking is possible, but you'd be better off googling for it Oct 26 15:52:11 yep Oct 26 15:52:13 reading now Oct 26 15:52:33 seems like it would just make the phone really hot and cut down on battery life Oct 26 15:53:45 seems like it, but it's quite the opposite Oct 26 15:53:57 does it make it more responsive? Oct 26 15:54:02 absolutely Oct 26 15:54:04 woah Oct 26 15:54:08 thats my only complaint Oct 26 15:54:15 1GHz is totally stable, that's twice the speed there, bucko Oct 26 15:54:25 with the pixi Oct 26 15:54:28 oh oh Oct 26 15:54:49 pixi plus Oct 26 15:55:05 i've not done any testing, but i've heard they released a stable OC kernel Oct 26 15:55:13 i don't have a pixi to play with Oct 26 15:55:16 cool Oct 26 15:55:21 i'll dig into it Oct 26 15:55:44 i need to get a dev environment up so i can start writing some apps Oct 26 16:10:28 Pre+ has been very very stable for me at 1Ghz with Uberkernel. Battery life is not great, though. I can accept that. Oct 26 16:10:43 Spaz is built for 1Ghz Oct 26 16:10:49 what is spaz? Oct 26 16:11:34 A crappy Twitter app Oct 26 16:11:39 is that why it's so slow? ;) Oct 26 16:11:40 heh Oct 26 16:11:52 a twitter app that needs 1ghz of cpu? Oct 26 16:11:57 seems suboptimal Oct 26 16:11:59 For greatness Oct 26 16:12:00 actually I love spaz...totally ignored twitter before that Oct 26 16:12:22 i'm over twitter Oct 26 16:12:45 I'll address that though: a Twitter app has to handle tons of data and do lots of UI manipulation Oct 26 16:12:57 tons of data? Oct 26 16:13:01 yep Oct 26 16:13:09 i bet the majority of it is in the overhead of SOAP Oct 26 16:13:12 or whatever API it uses Oct 26 16:13:15 uhhh. Oct 26 16:13:18 no. Oct 26 16:13:29 no? Oct 26 16:13:42 I havent had an issues with sprint pre at 1ghz Oct 26 16:13:55 no. Twitter's API is generally RESTful, and most apps use the JSON data version Oct 26 16:14:01 ah Oct 26 16:14:01 so very little overhead. Oct 26 16:14:03 nice Oct 26 16:14:05 although, I want to make a custom kernel so the lowest speed is 130mhz, not 500 Oct 26 16:14:16 the vast majority of overhead you get on a webOS app is DOM manipulation Oct 26 16:14:42 i see Oct 26 16:14:50 and I'll go out on a limb here and say that to handle DOM UIs, the Pre and Pixi aren't performant enough at stock speeds Oct 26 16:14:58 at 1Ghz, they smooth out a lot Oct 26 16:15:12 ok well Oct 26 16:15:18 i think you've made a good case for me to try out custom roms Oct 26 16:15:38 but yeah, lots of data: users who follow several hundred or thousand people, pulling lots of data Oct 26 16:15:38 last time i tried out custom roms was on my gf's g1 w/ android Oct 26 16:15:48 didn't go very well Oct 26 16:15:54 sorting that data, caching it, etc… it gets hairy Oct 26 16:16:07 webOS makes it super simple comparatively Oct 26 16:16:13 to Android, I mean Oct 26 16:16:20 the actual upgrade? Oct 26 16:16:46 Get Preware on your phone, install Uberkernel and Govnah, and you're golden Oct 26 16:16:53 right on Oct 26 16:17:03 well, hacking/patching. it is much, much easier on webOS devices Oct 26 16:17:09 i'll be doing that after lunch here Oct 26 16:17:12 bbiab Oct 26 16:17:12 word up! Oct 26 16:17:12 the only time I had an issue with overclocking was taking a long video...it got hot and the camera app stopped responding and wouldn't start up again until I let it cool off Oct 26 16:19:08 Yeah the camera app or even constant data usage makes it hot Oct 26 16:19:10 like wirc Oct 26 16:19:13 at 1ghz Oct 26 16:19:20 yeah it def will heat up Oct 26 16:19:37 Govnah seems pretty good at safeguarding so you won't melt your device, but… Oct 26 16:19:52 I've not really pushed it. just noticed the heat sometimes Oct 26 16:19:53 (and by govnah, he means uberkernel :) Oct 26 16:20:00 but the webOS overclock is a bit different than the roms for android from what I understand. Were not talking a totally different build Oct 26 16:20:01 oilsworkn would know better than me Oct 26 16:20:12 I wasn't sure which was actually doing the changing of speeds there Oct 26 16:20:20 all govnah does is display current values Oct 26 16:20:25 I am a high-level feller Oct 26 16:20:26 and send strings to the service to be written to files Oct 26 16:20:27 oils here, he keeps your slider sliding Oct 26 16:20:31 oilsworkn: gotcha Oct 26 16:20:51 the kernel is what changes the speed at the temp limit, etc Oct 26 16:20:54 govnah just lets you set it Oct 26 16:21:53 ay, I had* some Weird performance after undervolting my core.. 1) the entire desktop_space was put into a card (functioned within card tho) #2) my launcher Tabs *Always get rest to only Three Pages after luna&device reboot.. won't stick. .. any ideas? lol :) Oct 26 16:22:19 don't do that? Oct 26 16:22:21 8D Oct 26 16:23:08 haha.. yeah, go figure:) Oct 26 16:23:18 i mean, if you're undervolting to the point of crashing to find the limits, wackey stuff is bound to happen Oct 26 16:23:31 the desktop in a card was kinda cool tho lol Oct 26 16:23:43 could you swipe it away Oct 26 16:24:08 well, I've reset to defaults, but yeah i*was finding limits, but.. :) Oct 26 16:24:16 and that's how you turn off the phone ;) Oct 26 16:24:21 ctl: yes Oct 26 16:24:25 that would make for a cool rom swtcher, have a webos card, an android card, wp7 Oct 26 16:24:43 it would reappear via tapping the Home button on launch bar Oct 26 16:25:04 yea, was cool, took a screenshot :) Oct 26 16:26:46 it would even scroll pages while in mini-card mode :) Oct 26 16:27:01 undervolting is kind of the gamma rays of software Oct 26 16:27:09 sometimes you get cool stuff, like The Hulk Oct 26 16:27:37 the hulk? all green? or just pissy? lol Oct 26 16:27:46 supa strong! Oct 26 16:27:59 when he went emo he became the incredible sulk Oct 26 16:28:01 ahhh.. yea that part, haha Oct 26 16:28:08 lol shades Oct 26 16:28:48 * oilsworkn curses graphing stuff Oct 26 16:29:20 what's the default core v for 1ghz? 1462.5? Oct 26 16:29:44 * oilsworkn can look Oct 26 16:29:50 ty oils Oct 26 16:30:01 1462.5mV Oct 26 16:30:06 i don't like how the delete mail button is *RIGHT* next to the where the sms/screen notifcations pop up Oct 26 16:30:11 that's horrible placement Oct 26 16:30:12 ok, thanks Oct 26 16:30:28 shades: i've done that before Oct 26 16:30:38 done what? Oct 26 16:30:48 you're responsible for making those notifcations appear int hat spot? Oct 26 16:30:58 deleted an email when i meant to tap a notification Oct 26 16:31:02 I'll try reinstalling some stuff see if it shakes loose.. hehe :) Oct 26 16:34:52 lol, a bunch of our internal webapps have no favicon Oct 26 16:35:13 oh yeah Oct 26 16:35:16 that's the worst thing Oct 26 16:35:18 and chrome has decided to bring the "tux holding a screwdriver" icon from webosinternals wiki to all of them Oct 26 16:35:23 especially if it's an important email Oct 26 16:46:46 does anyone know if pdc guy are still in vacations? Oct 26 16:47:13 an email on vacation? Oct 26 16:47:36 Or do you mean chuq? Oct 26 16:47:40 yes Oct 26 16:48:24 i didn't remember the name Oct 26 16:48:34 I think if 1 person is on vacation, another one looks at the email Oct 26 16:48:43 if not there will be ALOT when chuq is back :D Oct 26 16:48:52 :D Oct 26 16:49:32 'cause i was accepted to pdc program Oct 26 16:49:35 I have also had other persons reply when sending email to pdc then chuq Oct 26 16:49:50 and they accepted me Oct 26 16:49:52 sorry Oct 26 16:50:23 :/ Oct 26 16:50:35 i send the e-mail accepting the license agreement Oct 26 16:50:53 but i'm still waiting to have acess to the private forum Oct 26 16:51:42 ramitos, be patient Oct 26 16:51:53 I guess he is the center point now and gets a million emails Oct 26 16:51:54 pdc? Oct 26 16:52:01 do you mean early access program? Oct 26 16:52:06 yes Oct 26 16:52:27 yer, chuq is very busy Oct 26 16:52:35 if he is on vacation he deserves it :D Oct 26 16:52:48 off course he deserves Oct 26 16:52:49 :) Oct 26 16:53:05 i hope he is far enough away where there is no wifis or 3gs Oct 26 16:53:14 yes Oct 26 16:53:26 people who works a lot with computers Oct 26 16:53:27 nothing sucks as much as working on vacation Oct 26 16:53:41 need some deep rest on vacations Oct 26 16:53:53 no internet :D Oct 26 16:53:55 oilsworkn i dont think so i have seen twitter action :P Oct 26 17:03:37 hotdp! Oct 26 17:06:11 * sugardave hates being at RealJob. Oct 26 17:06:53 re Oct 26 17:06:59 same Oct 26 17:07:15 * oilsworkn three Oct 26 17:07:24 hence, IRC! Oct 26 17:07:30 * halfhalo fours Oct 26 17:07:42 * oilsworkn inquires as to where sugardaves devday fund is Oct 26 17:08:18 * halfhalo is 75 away from going Oct 26 17:08:30 ! Oct 26 17:09:17 any palm guys on? Oct 26 17:10:45 oilsworkn: still at 77%, I believe Oct 26 17:11:11 $170 short of my goal, but like I said, I'll be booking my hotel in the next couple of daysw and use some "future" app money for the rest Oct 26 17:11:25 it's the Nyceane plan, just not as horrible Oct 26 17:12:23 lol Oct 26 17:12:25 eliza for webos Oct 26 17:12:34 * leku wonders if it is written in LISP Oct 26 17:13:50 * oilsworkn bets YuleLogHD will more then pay for the trip :) Oct 26 17:14:26 sugardave: you've already registered for the conference itself? Oct 26 17:14:53 yeah Oct 26 17:15:04 oilsworkn: there is a problem with Yule Log HD Oct 26 17:15:08 nanmely the HD part Oct 26 17:15:16 video is locked to VGA Oct 26 17:15:17 :s Oct 26 17:15:28 ah, dont let that stop you! Oct 26 17:15:31 heh Oct 26 17:15:54 I'll just re-loop the new video into a huger .gif Oct 26 17:16:24 UNLESS there's a way to really loop an .mp4 in the player, but I don't think there is Oct 26 17:16:36 http://i52.tinypic.com/oig8xs.png Oct 26 17:16:41 * oilsworkn shakes fist at sky Oct 26 17:17:05 lol Oct 26 17:17:22 sugardave Oct 26 17:17:32 Math.round(equation / 100) * 100 Oct 26 17:17:33 just use a timer set to match the video so you can restart it Oct 26 17:17:46 sugardave: its not that simple :/ Oct 26 17:17:48 if there isnt a video loop function implemented Oct 26 17:17:53 CTLAdvance: that's probably what I will do, and need it for the audio anyway if I go the .gif route Oct 26 17:18:10 for being a webOS they really havent implemented all of the standards Oct 26 17:18:17 oilsworkn: suck Oct 26 17:18:23 loop is default functionality of audio :/ Oct 26 17:18:23 * oilsworkn wishes he could gradient his canvases Oct 26 17:18:32 * CTLAdvance agrees with oil Oct 26 17:18:35 and getPixel (or whatever that method is) his other canvases! Oct 26 17:18:42 * CTLAdvance slips on oil spilled on the floor Oct 26 17:18:47 getImageData Oct 26 17:18:54 no Oct 26 17:19:01 oh pixel Oct 26 17:19:03 right Oct 26 17:19:07 to get the rgb of a pixel Oct 26 17:19:17 for a sexy color picker in wirc Oct 26 17:19:23 I would update all of my paint/draw apps Oct 26 17:19:29 if they implemented canvas properly Oct 26 17:19:36 "all"? Oct 26 17:19:53 the whole stable Oct 26 17:20:12 I'm going to Santiago, Chile next week Oct 26 17:20:23 you gonna go hang out in the mine? Oct 26 17:20:24 oh? Oct 26 17:20:29 lol Oct 26 17:20:32 Yes, all, I have Brush Stroke Pro, EZ Sketch, and I thought I had a 3rd and 4th but looks like I never released them Oct 26 17:20:34 "mine rides" Oct 26 17:20:37 lol Oct 26 17:20:39 mine rave Oct 26 17:20:44 i think it should be turned into a datacenter Oct 26 17:20:46 nah, no mining...got to train some business partners Oct 26 17:21:14 * oilsworkn at first gets a mental image of sugardave hitting them in the head with a model train Oct 26 17:21:28 lol Oct 26 17:22:10 which would totally be worth the trip Oct 26 17:22:13 then just turn around and leave Oct 26 17:22:27 "Idiotas!" Oct 26 17:23:10 you speak (insert nativa chilean language)? Oct 26 17:23:19 or they picked up english? Oct 26 17:23:21 uh, no Oct 26 17:23:28 they better know English Oct 26 17:23:31 lol Oct 26 17:23:36 nobody asked me if I was bi Oct 26 17:23:53 * oilsworkn refuses urge to make joke Oct 26 17:23:59 heh Oct 26 17:24:33 Nyceane! Oct 26 17:25:41 What hotels are people stayin on, on dev day? Oct 26 17:25:51 ramada Oct 26 17:26:43 I on The New Yorker Hotel Oct 26 17:26:51 Did not know what to take :s Oct 26 17:26:58 stay in ritz Oct 26 17:27:02 or grant hyatt Oct 26 17:27:38 * oilsworkn is in hampton Oct 26 17:27:41 I did not know what location to pick, but was told that you use the underground all the time Oct 26 17:28:02 hey Oct 26 17:28:08 i can't get the webos quick install to detect my device Oct 26 17:28:12 its plugged in and says its cahrging Oct 26 17:28:14 devmode! Oct 26 17:28:20 i thought i did that already Oct 26 17:28:22 Just wonna be close to some matinis from thuesday to friday Oct 26 17:28:24 do I need to do it everytime? Oct 26 17:28:26 um Oct 26 17:28:34 no, once its on it doesnt turn off Oct 26 17:28:37 leku you do it once Oct 26 17:28:38 weird Oct 26 17:28:45 are you sure you put it in dev mode? Oct 26 17:28:51 Have you choosen "just charge" ? Oct 26 17:28:51 um, do the "reload novacom" drivers thing in qi's menu? Oct 26 17:28:54 REALLY SURE? Oct 26 17:28:55 oh yeah Oct 26 17:28:57 did the contra code Oct 26 17:28:58 and i choose just charge Oct 26 17:29:05 I ahve tried that Oct 26 17:29:11 * sugardave tries to find some food. Oct 26 17:29:12 and a computer remboot helped Oct 26 17:29:15 so you put in that code and then plugged it in? Oct 26 17:29:18 sugardave good hunting Oct 26 17:29:22 it rebooted and all that yeah Oct 26 17:29:26 i just rebooted my laptop too Oct 26 17:29:26 you need to put in the code, click the icon, turn on dev mode and then reboot Oct 26 17:29:33 hmm Oct 26 17:29:42 i'll try the dev mode thing again Oct 26 17:29:56 you did reload novacom drivers thing? Oct 26 17:30:04 me? Oct 26 17:30:17 i think? Oct 26 17:30:21 me2 Oct 26 17:30:34 any of you? Oct 26 17:30:37 xD Oct 26 17:30:40 yeah devmode is on Oct 26 17:30:43 no idea waht novacom is Oct 26 17:30:50 hehehehehe Oct 26 17:30:53 its now quick install talks to your phone Oct 26 17:30:57 its in the doctor Oct 26 17:31:05 (which is why you need it to use quick install) Oct 26 17:31:06 i haven't run the webos doctor thing Oct 26 17:31:07 dundunDUN Oct 26 17:31:08 yeah Oct 26 17:31:09 have you tried changing the turn signal fluid? Oct 26 17:31:11 i'm using the quick install Oct 26 17:31:11 What day are people comming to NYC ? And is there a "must see thing" ? Oct 26 17:31:14 yes i did Oct 26 17:31:19 blinker fluid - CHECK Oct 26 17:31:29 and the windshield wiper fluid is good to go Oct 26 17:31:33 headlight wax? Oct 26 17:31:35 lol Oct 26 17:31:46 seriously though Oct 26 17:31:51 its in the menu or in the settings or something Oct 26 17:32:00 for the quickinstall? Oct 26 17:32:00 something like "reload novacom drivers" Oct 26 17:32:03 yeah Oct 26 17:32:13 don't see it Oct 26 17:32:26 i'm rebooting the phone Oct 26 17:32:35 hotdp: a must see thing in NYC? Why yes, it's the nekkid cowboy! Oct 26 17:32:57 nekkid cowboy? Oct 26 17:33:12 I plan on getting there around 4 Oct 26 17:33:16 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amberferrell/2820240864/ Oct 26 17:33:17 * oilsworkn gets there 18th @ 5pm-ish and leaves 21st @ noonish Oct 26 17:33:34 hotdp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Cowboy Oct 26 17:33:57 * hotdp is there d. 16 need to recover from huge jetlag Oct 26 17:34:01 have you guys see the hp envy spec? Oct 26 17:34:03 its not bad Oct 26 17:34:21 hotdp you're on the other side of the pond? Oct 26 17:34:28 Denmark Oct 26 17:34:31 ah Oct 26 17:34:34 Sucks for you! Oct 26 17:34:56 Nyceane: heard the Envy runs hot tho Oct 26 17:35:01 if the Naked Cowboy is the best thing to see... my trip gonna suck! Oct 26 17:35:12 lmao Oct 26 17:35:25 no device detected Oct 26 17:35:25 fuckk Oct 26 17:35:51 whats so great about the envy? Oct 26 17:35:51 I plan on sightseeing the 18th Oct 26 17:35:55 * oilsworkn suggests qi thread on precentral xD Oct 26 17:36:10 what kind halfhalo ? Oct 26 17:36:28 Stuff... Oct 26 17:36:30 * oilsworkn plans on getting off the plane, eating dinner, and passing out Oct 26 17:36:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Oct 26 17:36:36 i'm following that guide Oct 26 17:36:44 well that guide... Oct 26 17:36:56 what thread? Oct 26 17:37:20 Lol, really oil? its going to be lunch time for me when I get there Oct 26 17:37:47 How many people do you think will be there? How many where there the last years? Oct 26 17:37:51 yeah, i guess 5 over there is only 2pm for me Oct 26 17:37:52 you guys should take group pics Oct 26 17:38:05 lol Oct 26 17:38:21 Yup Oct 26 17:38:29 I want to put faces to these nicks that frustrate me on irc! Oct 26 17:38:52 lol Oct 26 17:38:52 hehe Oct 26 17:38:55 linkedin Oct 26 17:38:56 My plan is to just drink coke on the plane then get food after checking Oct 26 17:39:09 my plan is to get wasted before getting on the plane Oct 26 17:39:15 i can't be drunk on the plane Oct 26 17:39:18 or even drink on the plane anymore Oct 26 17:39:19 oilsworkn same plan for me Oct 26 17:39:24 oil has the right plan Oct 26 17:39:24 WHAT Oct 26 17:39:25 even 1 drink will make me sick Oct 26 17:39:30 works good on the long flight Oct 26 17:39:36 leku: how come? Oct 26 17:39:41 dunno, i fly a lot too Oct 26 17:39:46 and enjoy turbulance Oct 26 17:39:48 * oilsworkn bets he has fear of dieing in flaming fireball Oct 26 17:39:51 fuckin look forward to that Oct 26 17:39:54 haha Oct 26 17:39:57 hahahah Oct 26 17:40:03 as opposed to the non-flaming fireballs Oct 26 17:40:06 i get excited when i see the flight attendants sit down and buckle up Oct 26 17:40:09 which arent as scary Oct 26 17:40:11 * halfhalo is to young to drink Oct 26 17:40:18 poor poor halfhalo Oct 26 17:40:24 * dohtem usually enjoys a rum and coke at the expensive airport bar before takeoff Oct 26 17:40:37 "Do you want to make that a double for $2 more?" Oct 26 17:40:41 why yes! Oct 26 17:40:41 lol Oct 26 17:40:43 yes! Oct 26 17:40:43 lol Oct 26 17:40:47 s/2/6/ Oct 26 17:41:01 lol Oct 26 17:41:04 it's always $2 more for a dounle at airports Oct 26 17:41:10 * dohtem has done this a bit Oct 26 17:41:28 ah Oct 26 17:42:31 Oil, find a good place for food that Thursday, we can get all the internals people together for dinner Oct 26 17:43:11 i see Oct 26 17:43:14 maybe i am missing novacom Oct 26 17:44:43 lol Oct 26 17:44:47 yeah i think this is it Oct 26 17:44:51 * halfhalo would.. but he is on phone Oct 26 17:45:22 hey, dion is posting on Ajaxian again! Oct 26 17:45:45 yessssssss Oct 26 17:45:48 working Oct 26 17:45:52 halfhalo: the 18th? Oct 26 17:45:59 Yeahs Oct 26 17:46:04 i know rod lands at like 6 or 7 at JFK Oct 26 17:46:13 im 5 at the other one Oct 26 17:46:22 I dont think dion could support webOS anymore with its lack of CANVAS IMPLEMENTATION Oct 26 17:46:29 i have no clue about Rick_work Oct 26 17:46:31 I'm planning at 4 at newark Oct 26 17:46:41 CTLAdvance: hush! Oct 26 17:46:48 good idear flying into newark Oct 26 17:47:02 dont get shot Oct 26 17:47:05 flying into JFK is fine, flying out is the issue Oct 26 17:47:09 jfk sucks Oct 26 17:47:18 * sugardave will be missing the first day. Oct 26 17:47:25 Awww, why? Oct 26 17:47:32 and likely flying into, out of JFK Oct 26 17:47:33 it is a dangerous subway ride through the combat zone Oct 26 17:47:37 to get there or get out of there Oct 26 17:47:46 a taxi ride from manhattan takes 1-2hrs and costs 100$ Oct 26 17:47:48 halfhalo: RealJob Oct 26 17:47:54 Psh, fake it Oct 26 17:48:06 ah havent taken the subway from jfk Oct 26 17:48:15 drive to and from jfk when i fly from jkf Oct 26 17:48:21 I plan on tracking you guys down during the social mixer, though Oct 26 17:48:35 lol Oct 26 17:48:39 sugardave: redeye Oct 26 17:48:46 * oilsworkn will be the one on his laptop Oct 26 17:48:51 haha Oct 26 17:49:01 We need to all have I Blame Oil T-Shirts when we see him Oct 26 17:49:06 * halfhalo will qik from phone Oct 26 17:49:09 palm should have irc/forum nicks underneath real names on the badges Oct 26 17:49:09 lol Oct 26 17:49:12 hm Oct 26 17:49:22 will preware update the package list if the phone is not connected to a data network? Oct 26 17:49:24 * oilsworkn put company as webos internals and title as minister of awesomeness Oct 26 17:49:26 i have it connected via usb to my computer Oct 26 17:49:29 w/ internet Oct 26 17:49:30 * oilsworkn hopes both appear on his nametag Oct 26 17:49:31 And/or 4g hotspot Oct 26 17:49:32 dohtem: that is a good idea Oct 26 17:49:34 nice Oct 26 17:49:42 Oil did you say minister of oil disasters? Oct 26 17:49:49 or awesomeness right Oct 26 17:49:52 yeah Oct 26 17:49:54 CTLAdvance: He shills for BP part time Oct 26 17:49:55 like the whoiswho page Oct 26 17:50:16 oh I know we have that up on our new site, OILBlaize.com Oct 26 17:50:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WhoIsWho Oct 26 17:50:43 lol Oct 26 17:50:46 anyways Oct 26 17:50:51 lol Oct 26 17:50:51 where is the uberkernel? Oct 26 17:50:52 leku: it will "load" the package lists Oct 26 17:50:54 but not update Oct 26 17:50:56 without internets Oct 26 17:50:58 yeah thats what it looks like Oct 26 17:50:59 \\\ Oct 26 17:50:59 ok Oct 26 17:51:02 Name: Brandon VanBelle Oct 26 17:51:03 Responsibility: Minister of Awesomeness Oct 26 17:51:03 About Me: It's not my fault! Oct 26 17:51:03 Oct 26 17:51:09 see! Oct 26 17:51:12 it says right there! Oct 26 17:51:21 Thats a typo Oct 26 17:51:27 ill talk to rwhitby about that Oct 26 17:51:29 Heh Oct 26 17:51:30 lol Oct 26 17:51:42 i think i was supposed to take that page more serious then i did Oct 26 17:51:47 then it all went downhill Oct 26 17:51:52 Yup Oct 26 17:52:01 now its all your fault Oct 26 17:52:14 curses! Oct 26 17:52:22 Hah Oct 26 17:52:23 23 = oil Oct 26 17:52:34 15 + 8 = 23 = oil Oct 26 17:52:36 see Oct 26 17:53:40 oil, you should send me a picture and ill make a bobble head that says Oct 26 17:53:43 its not my fault Oct 26 17:53:48 lol Oct 26 17:53:55 need dropbear now Oct 26 17:54:15 The WebOS Internals Bobble Head should be in the catalog soon Oct 26 17:54:24 * oilsworkn doesn't want to be in bubblehead form Oct 26 17:54:28 Hmmm.. there's a 9am flight from lax... that means I have to leave... tomorrow in order to make it! Oct 26 17:54:53 wait, when is dev day? Oct 26 17:54:57 23 Oct 26 17:55:04 19-20 Oct 26 17:55:06 of november Oct 26 17:55:09 ah Oct 26 17:55:13 Yup Oct 26 17:55:18 But its lax Oct 26 17:55:22 I took halfhalo's comment seriously Oct 26 17:55:26 :) Oct 26 17:55:28 Lol Oct 26 17:55:30 halfhalo was making a joke about how slow and crappy lax is Oct 26 17:55:51 * oilsworkn has a 2 hour drive to seattle before his 6am flight leaves Oct 26 17:55:53 halfhalo: fly out of Burbank with southwest or jetblue Oct 26 17:55:58 Unless your first class Oct 26 17:56:03 Then its easy Oct 26 17:56:16 And all burbank flights have a layover Oct 26 17:56:18 <-- 1st class Oct 26 17:56:19 I checked Oct 26 17:56:37 halfhalo: yeah but it's a tiny airport. no hassle homie! Oct 26 17:56:51 Layover adds two hours Oct 26 17:56:59 * oilsworkn has layover in saltlake Oct 26 17:57:04 Haha Oct 26 17:57:06 Sucker Oct 26 17:57:10 lol Oct 26 17:57:19 gives me a chance to get the blood flowing to my legs again Oct 26 17:57:26 Actually, if I do go out of burbank so do i Oct 26 17:57:29 and crap in a bathroom that isn't in flight Oct 26 17:57:35 and pee in a stationary bathroom Oct 26 17:57:40 ha! Oct 26 17:57:41 exactly Oct 26 17:57:44 i've been flying these little regional jets lately Oct 26 17:57:50 you can't evne stand up to have a piss Oct 26 17:57:53 leku: death traps? Oct 26 17:58:00 aren't they all? Oct 26 17:58:03 No, that's delta Oct 26 17:58:08 <-- flies delta Oct 26 17:58:19 * halfhalo flies cheap Oct 26 17:58:24 <-- doesn't pay Oct 26 17:58:30 its like a coffin with a toilet and sink in it Oct 26 17:58:30 i'm not doing this for fun :) Oct 26 17:58:33 And/or first class to hawaii Oct 26 17:58:40 lmao oilsworkn Oct 26 17:58:46 pretty much Oct 26 17:58:51 and ornary flight attendants Oct 26 17:58:58 that make me take my fuckin bose headphones off Oct 26 17:59:11 i really don't understand the point of that Oct 26 17:59:15 Well, they ARE bose Oct 26 17:59:25 if my ipod/headphones were really going to cause interference with the plane, they wouldn't let me fucking have them on their period Oct 26 17:59:40 ?' Oct 26 17:59:47 s/their/there Oct 26 17:59:56 its so they get your undivided attention during takeoff/landing Oct 26 18:00:01 incase they need to convey important information Oct 26 18:00:04 And the crashes Oct 26 18:00:35 leku: http://www.travelaid.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/airbus_bluetooth_small.jpg Oct 26 18:00:41 and they dont let you use your phone, because who wants to sit 8 hours next to someone yaking on their phone the entire time Oct 26 18:00:49 i understand that part Oct 26 18:00:52 but the headphones part, no Oct 26 18:01:04 they don't ever convey anything important Oct 26 18:01:09 The want to charge you upb the ass fr their phne Oct 26 18:01:15 except how long your'e going to be sitting on the tarmac because they're putting in a new engine on the fly Oct 26 18:01:33 And have to wait for the glue to dry Oct 26 18:01:36 yep Oct 26 18:02:05 seriously tho Oct 26 18:02:10 i hacve my headphones on so I DONT have to hear them talk Oct 26 18:02:24 Shures ftw Oct 26 18:02:27 if the plane is gonna crash I'm pretty sure i'll be able to figure it out and find the exit Oct 26 18:02:50 not unless you are enjoying the precentral podcast! Oct 26 18:03:09 heh Oct 26 18:03:14 i will have to check that out Oct 26 18:03:27 i'm usually falling asleep to the perfect circle Oct 26 18:03:41 I plan on watching tv and reading te kindle Oct 26 18:04:18 Well, tv I moved to the phone Oct 26 18:04:47 * oilsworkn plans on reading a dead tree book Oct 26 18:04:54 halfhalo: But then you'll miss the hilarious episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond they run Oct 26 18:04:57 Bah Oct 26 18:05:49 Although.. phone with signal = hulu on ipad Oct 26 18:06:31 lol dohtem Oct 26 18:07:07 oh man Oct 26 18:07:23 i just installed dopewars, the quality of my life just improved by at least 0.3% Oct 26 18:09:30 heh, they still make that? Oct 26 18:09:44 I guess so Oct 26 18:09:44 I first played Dopewars on my Handspring Visor Oct 26 18:09:49 Lol Oct 26 18:11:00 i googled HP envy Oct 26 18:11:04 and the first few links are 404s Oct 26 18:11:05 very nice Oct 26 18:11:45 leku: This is why you turn off stuff when they ask - http://consumerist.com/2010/10/how-an-ipad-got-a-guy-placed-on-the-no-fly-list.html Oct 26 18:12:16 lol Oct 26 18:12:53 i do turn them off Oct 26 18:12:59 but only if they ask Oct 26 18:23:15 rehi Oct 26 18:24:45 http://gizmodo.com/5420641/can-my-ipod-make-this-airplane-explode Oct 26 18:29:16 evning swisstomcat Oct 26 18:33:53 Pie Oct 26 18:35:19 3.14? :) Oct 26 18:35:26 Apple Oct 26 18:35:38 crisp Oct 26 18:44:11 in an assistant, what is "this.controller" ? Oct 26 18:44:17 Mojo.Controller.AppController ? Oct 26 18:45:45 * oilsworkn thinks scene? Oct 26 18:46:01 well, unless its app-assistant Oct 26 18:46:04 Stage apparently Oct 26 18:46:05 or stage- Oct 26 18:48:56 can be app stage or scene Oct 26 18:49:34 is a property ot the assistant...? Oct 26 18:49:57 rehi Oct 26 18:50:02 that contains all the controller methods... ? Oct 26 18:50:27 re Oct 26 18:50:34 * haeffb_pre doesn't know the proper terms Oct 26 18:51:11 this.controller could be the app, stage, or scene assistant Oct 26 18:51:27 added to the assistant by the framework... Oct 26 18:51:28 hi Oct 26 18:52:03 oh narf, that would be why this.controller.pushScene doesn't work in a scene assistant. need this.controller.stageController.pushScene Oct 26 18:52:03 The Envy 17 is quite a big notebook Oct 26 18:52:40 right Oct 26 18:52:58 maik: you got it Oct 26 18:53:07 hi MetaView Oct 26 18:53:11 each of the three types of controller has different methods Oct 26 18:55:02 hallo metaview Oct 26 18:55:08 back Oct 26 18:55:12 front Oct 26 18:55:51 side Oct 26 18:56:37 Rick_work: when do you arrive in NYC for dev day? Oct 26 18:59:36 yes, this is important information Oct 26 18:59:43 Indeed Oct 26 18:59:50 * oilsworkn thinks we need #webos/#webos-internals pre-devday dinner on the 18th :) Oct 26 19:00:03 Yup Oct 26 19:00:11 won't arrive at LGA until 19:30 Oct 26 19:00:22 on thursday Oct 26 19:00:27 Fancy numbers! Oct 26 19:00:35 * oilsworkn attempts to convert time Oct 26 19:00:43 7:30 Oct 26 19:00:43 7:30 pm for those of you unable to count past 12 Oct 26 19:00:44 lol Oct 26 19:01:03 Hmm... still possible Oct 26 19:01:38 it would probably end up happening pretty late Oct 26 19:01:44 Yup Oct 26 19:01:50 since 7:30 + an hour or so to get to hotel/check in Oct 26 19:01:56 Yup Oct 26 19:02:07 then get to wherever we're eating Oct 26 19:02:17 Yup Oct 26 19:03:04 possile, and I'm planning on taking the supershuttle to the hotel. I might be able to JOIN you somewhere. Oct 26 19:03:10 The wiki for WebOS_Internals_PDK says that make stage has errors. Anybody been able to work around these issues? Oct 26 19:03:19 I'm in @ 2:30 Oct 26 19:04:05 what's a supershuttle? Oct 26 19:04:06 Planning a 4ish, oils 5ish, when's rwhitby? Oct 26 19:04:07 * oilsworkn is into newark at 5 Oct 26 19:04:25 probably going to hit up that one guy for a ride and wait around till 7 when he gets there Oct 26 19:04:38 Lol Oct 26 19:04:47 * halfhalo has shuttle to hotel Oct 26 19:04:49 super shuttle -> they give u a cape and you ride on the roof of the shuttle Oct 26 19:05:16 awesome Oct 26 19:05:34 yup, a red cape.... Oct 26 19:05:35 * oilsworkn doesn't know if his hotel has a shuttle Oct 26 19:05:42 * oilsworkn will probably call them this afternoon and ask Oct 26 19:05:42 you city fellers got fancy ways Oct 26 19:05:56 I know, right? Oct 26 19:06:02 rwhitby is 7ish i think at jfk Oct 26 19:06:10 Anybody have the WIDK running on Ubuntu 10.04? Oct 26 19:06:13 he said yesterday but i already forgot Oct 26 19:06:39 what hotel oil? Oct 26 19:07:09 kai_office: there is a post on the dev forum by Amaranth where he got it working on 10.10 Oct 26 19:07:09 hampton? Oct 26 19:07:17 I haven't tried it on 10.04 yet Oct 26 19:07:26 im like 5 blocks south of where rwhitby is at Oct 26 19:07:41 ok, if I have to update to 10.10 I'll do that then :) Happen to have a link for me? Or do I get to go searching? Oct 26 19:07:52 and I assume you're talkinga bout the Precentral.net forums? Oct 26 19:08:01 kai_office: no, developer.palm.com Oct 26 19:08:05 oh, ok Oct 26 19:08:08 and I don't have a lkink, sorry :D Oct 26 19:08:13 Rick_work: we should setup a wiki page for devdays talk/organization of schedules/etc Oct 26 19:08:20 Doit Oct 26 19:08:38 * oilsworkn would if he wasnt on his way out the door to get lunch Oct 26 19:08:42 Lol Oct 26 19:08:47 * oilsworkn brb Oct 26 19:08:50 10 minutes till class is out Oct 26 19:09:10 Sneaky sob.... Oct 26 19:12:16 sugardave: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=9039 I think I found it. Oct 26 19:12:31 hola amigos Oct 26 19:14:55 kai_office: that looks like the one :) Oct 26 19:16:03 * sugardave heads back home. Oct 26 19:16:36 hola lonestar Oct 26 19:20:48 howdy swisstomcat, and sugardave Oct 26 19:21:14 windows phone 7 already have bunch of apps? Oct 26 19:21:17 surprising -_- Oct 26 19:23:41 I would say that may be partly how easy visual studio makes it to write apps for wp7 Oct 26 19:25:03 evning LoneStar99 Oct 26 19:26:55 basically, they're just ports of windows mobile apps. Oct 26 19:26:59 No real work involved. Oct 26 19:27:14 actually they arent Oct 26 19:27:19 totally different back end Oct 26 19:27:23 maybe ports Oct 26 19:27:29 but its a total rewrite Oct 26 19:28:38 yer Oct 26 19:29:26 I have been tempted to rewrite my apps to wp7 because it it so easy. Oct 26 19:30:41 Visual Studio 2010 is so awesome, and the dev tools for it are bullet proof Oct 26 19:47:20 it would be nice to get a webOS plugin for 2010 Oct 26 19:47:28 like ares but better, and native Oct 26 19:47:40 be better for hybrid apps as well Oct 26 19:51:22 * oil looks at wiki... looks disapprovingly at halfhalo Oct 26 19:51:39 * halfhalo is busy making popcorn Oct 26 19:52:23 so there Oct 26 19:53:44 there is more to popcorn then "toss in microwave, hit 3 mins, press start"? Oct 26 19:54:01 whatever you do Oct 26 19:54:04 don't make popcorn at work Oct 26 19:54:06 or i'll come and find you Oct 26 19:54:14 lol Oct 26 19:54:36 * oil has never made popcorn at work Oct 26 19:54:55 good Oct 26 19:56:21 when people do, it fills the office with popcorn smell Oct 26 19:56:45 yeah it's fucking disgusting Oct 26 19:56:48 and should be punishable by death Oct 26 19:56:59 yum yum Oct 26 19:57:02 also leave your leftover fish at home too Oct 26 19:57:02 popcorn Oct 26 19:57:05 no one wants to smell taht shit either Oct 26 19:57:08 lol Oct 26 19:57:47 don't all arrays have a .length property? Oct 26 19:58:01 yes? Oct 26 19:58:04 couldn't i even do [ 'foo', 'bar' ].length ? Oct 26 19:58:06 all your arrays are belong to us Oct 26 19:58:16 MOV eip for great justice Oct 26 19:58:29 * maik kills something Oct 26 20:00:07 * halfhalo made popcorn at work Oct 26 20:01:11 * leku kills halo Oct 26 20:01:22 hah Oct 26 20:01:30 leku: don't get in the middle, just let maik take care of it Oct 26 20:01:36 I have boxes of it in my desk Oct 26 20:01:51 lol Oct 26 20:02:26 Good night everyone Oct 26 20:02:27 i dont see a wiki page oil! Oct 26 20:02:34 night hotdp Oct 26 20:02:34 i know Oct 26 20:02:45 www.webos-internals.org/popcorn/ Oct 26 20:02:49 ha ha Oct 26 20:03:19 * oil was sad when it 404d Oct 26 20:03:28 me too actually Oct 26 20:03:38 lol Oct 26 20:04:21 killed. Oct 26 20:04:25 * oil demands /popcorn/ is created Oct 26 20:04:35 20 bucks Oct 26 20:04:45 15 Oct 26 20:04:53 oh, the link is wrong Oct 26 20:04:56 it's http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Popcorn Oct 26 20:05:16 if i had $20 to give away, id send it to sugardave so he could get to devdays Oct 26 20:05:31 * halfhalo needs monies to! Oct 26 20:06:14 i am all that is man Oct 26 20:06:16 yay Oct 26 20:06:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Popcorn is pretty cool Oct 26 20:06:44 negative, ghostrider, the pattern is full Oct 26 20:07:24 so now we repurpose /popcorn for devdays stuff? Oct 26 20:07:29 xD Oct 26 20:07:33 why not Oct 26 20:07:48 i've already sent $20 to sugardave Oct 26 20:08:21 and $20 to oil Oct 26 20:08:34 :) Oct 26 20:08:47 sugardave and oil have to carry my luggage Oct 26 20:08:58 * oil refunds $20 Oct 26 20:09:13 lol Oct 26 20:09:17 lol Oct 26 20:32:48 Silly android eating up my battery Oct 26 20:38:02 let the 100,000 apps in the market console you :) Oct 26 20:38:18 Their all useless Oct 26 20:38:35 haha Oct 26 20:49:06 phew Oct 26 20:49:14 just finished a phone interview with salesforce :) Oct 26 20:49:39 to work for them? Oct 26 20:50:48 yeah, on their mobile dev team Oct 26 21:00:17 swisstomcat: cool Oct 26 21:00:24 want to move to US then? Oct 26 21:00:37 Us be awesome Oct 26 21:00:48 swisstomcat: cool, how did it go? Oct 26 21:01:00 MetaView: I saw a salesforce.com office in London Oct 26 21:07:29 stil far away from swizerland Oct 26 21:07:38 still no mountains :) Oct 26 21:08:15 has anyone else noticed a disparity between the number of downloads myappbox reports and the number of downloads palm reports? Oct 26 21:08:27 even though they're supposedly getting their numbers from palm Oct 26 21:13:31 halfhalo, I wouldn't say that they are all useless. i can name a few that are really good Oct 26 21:13:40 actually, the call came from vancouver, canada Oct 26 21:13:51 hard to say but i think it went pretty well Oct 26 21:14:23 swisstomcat: you had the phone interview today? Oct 26 21:14:47 maik: one is wih updates and reloads and one is unique downloads Oct 26 21:14:56 myappbox takes it fro mthe feeds Oct 26 21:14:57 swisstomcat: what's the time diff? Like 5 hours? Oct 26 21:15:02 like UberAppCat Oct 26 21:15:03 ohhh Oct 26 21:15:07 9 hours Oct 26 21:15:11 oh Oct 26 21:15:22 lonestar: yeah, just a few minutes ago Oct 26 21:15:23 Palm even only count paid/settled sales Oct 26 21:15:41 no matter what I do, un/reinstall apps, 'reset phone', pull battery/wait/restart. etc, my pre+ won't keep more than 3 screens, no matter I make 5, it resets to 3 (bunching all my icons together, cept the system/settings).. any ideas?? pls. thanks. :) Oct 26 21:17:11 swisstomcat: awesome, good luck! Oct 26 21:17:19 thanks Oct 26 21:17:27 no call from palm yet tho :( Oct 26 21:17:38 yea good luck swisstomcat ! :) Oct 26 21:19:36 with that, goodnight everyone Oct 26 21:19:53 l 8r Oct 26 21:20:39 re! Oct 26 21:20:49 had bouncer issues Oct 26 21:20:52 :/ Oct 26 21:21:36 ho hum.. back to reboot, hehe :) Oct 26 21:26:12 morning Oct 26 21:26:18 hi Oct 26 21:28:33 Mornin Oct 26 21:35:44 dont! Oct 26 21:35:54 he's tricking us with his aussie time warp! Oct 26 21:43:39 again? Oct 26 21:43:49 Yup Oct 26 21:46:49 heyy there peeps Oct 26 21:47:36 * pandora-- waves Oct 26 21:47:44 how ya doin mate Oct 26 21:47:52 hey, is there a way to destroy an object in js/prototype? Oct 26 21:48:04 couldn't help you there Oct 26 21:48:07 like "i'm done with you, go away, die, leave the dom, you're dead" Oct 26 21:48:40 popped in to hear some webos talk given that i'm thinking of getting a pixi plus Oct 26 21:49:07 if you can, I'd wait a few-ish months Oct 26 21:49:24 there are rumors that 6 WebOS devices will be released next year Oct 26 21:49:40 nice, is there any sort of a date attached to those? Oct 26 21:49:50 or more importantly prices :P Oct 26 21:50:00 none of the above Oct 26 21:50:32 http://www.precentral.net/foxconn-and-compal-contracted-5-6-palm-smartphones-2011-rumor Oct 26 21:50:34 lol, it's just i was thinknig of it as a second phone simply because it's pretty cheap Oct 26 21:50:39 fareal: i would definitely wait Oct 26 21:51:53 fareal: if pixi's went for cheaper on ebay, it might be worth looking into as an interim phone, but when I was looking (a couple weeks ago) they were ~$120 Oct 26 21:52:17 so i saw o2 are charging £100 for them Oct 26 21:52:24 although i don't realy need another phone Oct 26 21:52:34 i have a half dead iPhone 3G lying around Oct 26 21:52:37 and a Galaxy S Oct 26 21:52:57 honestly, I'd wait then Oct 26 21:53:17 this isn't gonna be easy for me :( Oct 26 21:53:29 I know the feeling Oct 26 21:53:36 I bought a pre from ebay, regardless of all the rumors Oct 26 21:54:06 how long ago? Oct 26 21:54:14 a week? maybe 2? Oct 26 21:54:35 grah, well i'm half between that and a kindle to buy atm Oct 26 21:54:39 I actually bought 2 non-functioning ones, and cobbled one together Oct 26 21:54:52 dell venue pro is above my budget atm Oct 26 21:55:23 the two phones for ~$80 was outside of my budget too, but, you know, it happens Oct 26 21:55:40 oh, I din't realize the venue pro was a vert slider Oct 26 21:56:21 yupp sexy as hell Oct 26 21:56:32 wp7 :( Oct 26 21:56:33 but palm seems my spiritual home Oct 26 21:56:45 wp7 looks nice if i'm honest Oct 26 21:56:52 bold and fast Oct 26 21:57:04 (and different from all the other sheep around us) Oct 26 21:57:09 I might just be jaded against MS in general Oct 26 21:57:37 i'm just pissed off at all those sheep getting bb's or iphones Oct 26 21:58:04 they annoy me, especially when they think their phone is better Oct 26 21:58:08 i'd like to use WP7 before i pass judgment on it. i hated 6/6.5 with a passion Oct 26 21:58:10 heh. I also really, really like that WebOS is open underneath Oct 26 21:58:14 and my phone is just a baf fake iphone Oct 26 21:58:15 i'm still in love with webOS Oct 26 21:58:21 maik: yeah, that's the rational way to do it ;) Oct 26 21:58:42 maik: i think we all hated 6.5 Oct 26 21:58:43 * Tibfib wants pre 2 w/ webos2 Oct 26 21:59:00 * halfhalo wants money for days Oct 26 21:59:00 Tibfib: I wanna see what new hardware is announced next year Oct 26 21:59:05 * fareal wants a souped up pixi Oct 26 21:59:09 Devdays* Oct 26 21:59:15 then we'll see about the pre2 Oct 26 21:59:20 * Tibfib wants free pre2 and nice new device on sprint next year Oct 26 21:59:45 I mean, if someone were giving me one for free, I'd use it :) Oct 26 22:00:09 unfortunately no-one is Oct 26 22:00:39 that's what youuuuuuuuuuuu think Oct 26 22:00:53 Tibfib: do you honestly have a reason to think someone is? Oct 26 22:01:00 cough devdays cough Oct 26 22:01:15 have they given out hardware at previous devdays? Oct 26 22:01:20 yes Oct 26 22:01:21 i'm on the other side of the pond Oct 26 22:01:31 Tibfib: orly? :( Oct 26 22:01:36 makes me wish I were going more now Oct 26 22:01:39 no time/money Oct 26 22:01:43 Heh Oct 26 22:01:45 pre plus to everyone there. Oct 26 22:01:45 * fareal signs up for devday Oct 26 22:01:54 Yup Oct 26 22:01:57 you have to go to get the phone...lol Oct 26 22:02:08 And my devdays pre plus became a sprint pre plus Oct 26 22:02:24 meh, i'll be needing gsm Oct 26 22:02:30 I'm just throwing my name out there for people who want to part with their pre+s after devdays >.> Oct 26 22:02:42 lol Oct 26 22:02:47 I'll gladly take hardware off your hands Oct 26 22:03:17 bah, this decision is starting to kill me... Oct 26 22:03:22 pixi plus or kindle Oct 26 22:03:27 ...or nothing :( Oct 26 22:03:36 fareal: honestly, if it were me, I'd go kindle and wait on new hardware Oct 26 22:03:52 well, actually, if it were me, I'd not get anything and pay tuition instead Oct 26 22:03:58 but, you know, whatever Oct 26 22:04:00 lol Oct 26 22:04:04 semantics really :) Oct 26 22:05:17 i'd buy a wp7 phone just for the hell of it if they weren't £400+ Oct 26 22:05:32 I like the way you think Oct 26 22:05:47 yupp, it's my crazy mentality Oct 26 22:05:57 ppl irl don't seem to understand it Oct 26 22:10:58 pandora--: did you get you object destruction answer? Oct 26 22:11:21 looks like its removeChild() Oct 26 22:11:23 or so Oct 26 22:11:24 ? Oct 26 22:11:38 it's: delete theThing; Oct 26 22:11:38 but I think it just marks it for gc, doesn't actually go away until the next gc is run Oct 26 22:11:42 unfortunately that crashes the emulator when you try it with a webview div :) Oct 26 22:11:54 pandora--: oh, I misread Oct 26 22:12:04 hrm, that's worth a shot Oct 26 22:12:07 i hadnt tried that Oct 26 22:12:11 I thought you meant js objects/vars Oct 26 22:12:43 I doubt it will help for DOM elements :D Oct 26 22:12:58 removeChild() should work, though :s Oct 26 22:14:06 should, yeah Oct 26 22:14:14 if i could do it without the emu restarting Oct 26 22:14:15 :) Oct 26 22:15:10 Anyone want to make 5 dollars per post, on my technology blog? Oct 26 22:16:28 RyanP: nah i have nigeria for scams Oct 26 22:16:40 and they pay more Oct 26 22:16:54 just the other day a Nigerian Ambassador offered me half of his families fortune Oct 26 22:18:26 http://toucharcade.com/2010/10/26/idos/ Oct 26 22:18:28 nice Oct 26 22:26:31 are there any other non US people in here? Oct 26 22:29:57 yes, but not me Oct 26 22:31:06 i wish i did drugs for a living Oct 26 22:31:55 how would that provide income exactly? Oct 26 22:32:06 if you did drugs in a glass room and let people watch, that might work Oct 26 22:32:09 i dunno drug testers make money Oct 26 22:32:14 i'm pretty sure you could actually get that job Oct 26 22:32:17 or that :dD Oct 26 22:33:33 its been super windy, this would be a great chance to break property :( Oct 26 22:34:01 my mind is going in freakin circles Oct 26 22:34:10 as is mine :D Oct 26 22:37:59 I totally did not fail my compsci midterm! Oct 26 22:38:39 Got a 70! Oct 26 22:40:52 going home. bye Oct 26 22:40:57 bye rick Oct 26 22:42:00 halfhalo: Parteh! Oct 26 22:42:04 yup Oct 26 22:42:25 Considering part of it was realated to scheme which I totally did not learn Oct 26 22:43:23 * dohtem toasts to halfhalo's laziness Oct 26 22:44:05 my lazyness knows no bounds Oct 26 22:44:20 not even spelling :) Oct 26 22:44:27 :p Oct 26 22:44:27 halfhalo's laziness is epic. Oct 26 22:44:42 dohtem: still no Nirvana API Oct 26 22:44:48 really? Oct 26 22:44:53 boo Oct 26 22:44:53 * haeffb starting to lose faith. Oct 26 22:45:02 fake it with css! Oct 26 22:45:35 any reason vi fails in novaterm with "can't read user input" ? Oct 26 22:45:41 its vi? Oct 26 22:45:50 vi is awesome Oct 26 22:46:04 novaterm is another story Oct 26 22:46:10 lol Oct 26 22:46:28 it is obviously not the fact there is no user input, since I DID use some kind of input device to type vi Oct 26 22:47:02 halfhalo: shun the non believer! Oct 26 22:47:04 shunnnnnnnn Oct 26 22:47:24 ohhh burrrrrrrrn Oct 26 22:47:32 it is definitely novaterm Oct 26 22:47:35 bummer Oct 26 22:47:38 lol Oct 26 22:54:22 http://www.youngentrepreneur.com/blog/100-top-entrepreneurs-who-succeeded-without-a-college-degree/ Oct 26 22:54:34 how is it everybody i know, or look up to, all dropped out of school Oct 26 22:54:35 =_= Oct 26 22:54:51 I dont feel that I fit in after knowing that I finished school -_- Oct 26 22:54:52 Nyceane: it's all about proportion Oct 26 22:55:14 0.00001% of people without college got to the top Oct 26 22:55:20 that list doesnt count the crackheads that died with needles in their arm Oct 26 22:55:20 yah, funny part is that I dont know anybody to look up to that actually completed school Oct 26 22:55:26 60% of people with college are just underneath Oct 26 22:55:26 they dropped out of school too Oct 26 22:56:04 there's a much higher risk when dropping out Oct 26 22:56:12 whoa - Andrew Carnegie... Elementary school dropout. Oct 26 22:56:21 anywany, coming close to midnight Oct 26 22:56:26 gnite guys, was fun Oct 26 22:56:28 i'll be back Oct 26 22:56:32 night fareal Oct 26 22:56:44 Nyceane: how goes it in SF Oct 26 22:56:49 this doesn't even include gates, jobs and zuckerberg Oct 26 22:57:00 i dont know yet, I'll find out next monday Oct 26 22:57:16 I changed job 5 times in 3 years after graduation Oct 26 22:57:22 lol Oct 26 22:57:26 how come? Oct 26 22:57:44 my personal career advances what the system can offer me Oct 26 22:57:50 faster than what Oct 26 22:58:23 i was being hired as a programmer at $38,000 right after college, being a LISP programmer Oct 26 22:58:44 that's pretty low Oct 26 22:58:46 ewww, lisp Oct 26 22:58:58 halfhalo: lol, didnt you just avoid scheme Oct 26 22:59:00 then corporate gave me a job doubling that Oct 26 22:59:04 can anyone tell me if this code is wrong? this.$.panel1.setShowing(true); Oct 26 22:59:04 so I quit after 3 weeks Oct 26 22:59:08 yes, but still Oct 26 22:59:15 same thing Oct 26 23:00:04 Nyceane: nice Oct 26 23:00:25 then I didnt like corporate, so i worked for a start up Oct 26 23:00:50 which they trained my skills and laid off entire team after we spent 2 month of 18 hour shifts everyday Oct 26 23:01:10 right after we finish the product, they lay us off, use some pakistanis to maintain our code Oct 26 23:01:21 ouch Oct 26 23:01:50 that really sucked -_-, so i work for a medium size company, but opportunities keep arriving and my next job pretty much allows me to do what i want Oct 26 23:02:01 execute my ideas, etc Oct 26 23:02:37 I dont fit into working for other people, I wouldnt hire someone like myself lol, too hard to keep me entertained... Oct 26 23:03:38 hulu plus + netflix solves alot of problems Oct 26 23:03:59 I love hulu =) Oct 26 23:04:14 so do I... Oct 26 23:04:17 "Rob Kalin, founder of Etsy. Flunked out of high school, enrolled in art school for a time, faked a student ID at MIT so he could take classes. His professors subsequently helped him get into NYU, they were so impressed." Oct 26 23:04:26 ^ now that's a good one Oct 26 23:04:47 lol Oct 26 23:04:54 halfhalo: do you use Hulu+ on the PC? Oct 26 23:04:59 yup Oct 26 23:05:12 * dohtem might try it. Oct 26 23:05:30 I want a boxee box or something first. So I can use it on the big screen Oct 26 23:05:41 I use it via the ps3 as well Oct 26 23:05:49 and ipad Oct 26 23:06:07 XBOX FOR LIFE! Oct 26 23:06:16 (until it red rings again) Oct 26 23:06:31 Thats in the family room Oct 26 23:07:21 I'm really curious how the jailbreak stuff for the AppleTV goes :o Oct 26 23:07:40 Because at 99$ it's the cheapest option for an app capable TV box Oct 26 23:07:53 I like Boxee, and 199 for the box it's a pretty good price point too Oct 26 23:08:11 A 299 Logitech Revue box costs like, 150$ less than the TV did so :T Oct 26 23:09:50 sounds like you've done your homework :) Oct 26 23:11:00 has the new apple tv been broken yet? Oct 26 23:14:50 yes Oct 26 23:15:24 it runs what's called "Lowtide" which is basically iOS, just... lacking a few things. Namely app launching! But there's been a lot of progress on getting that working and built in Oct 26 23:15:36 ooh.. Oct 26 23:15:39 * dohtem googles Oct 26 23:15:45 the first app is a weather app, I don't know if they've tried running App Store iOS stuff yet Oct 27 00:06:06 hi all Oct 27 00:06:41 hi Oct 27 00:06:53 any way to change the default highlight color on a pam-row ? is it a serious no-no if I have a gradient blue color like iphone table cell ? Oct 27 00:10:19 Guest31301: you have to override .palm-row.selected with your chosen border image Oct 27 00:11:26 oh cool, thanks Oct 27 00:11:30 stuck at 77% ? Oct 27 00:11:36 yeah Oct 27 00:13:22 lols Oct 27 00:15:46 $600 in two days ain't bad... Oct 27 00:16:04 you're not coming until Fri? Oct 27 00:16:08 yeah Oct 27 00:16:39 late? Oct 27 00:17:01 well, see, I haven't booked anything yet...I think I can get there at 5:30-ish local time Oct 27 00:17:23 I am currently experiencing major piss-off at one of my credit unions Oct 27 00:17:45 they failed to do the transfer to my other credit union I had set up today Oct 27 00:17:50 again Oct 27 00:17:59 this is the 3rd time this has happened Oct 27 00:18:06 lol Oct 27 00:18:22 unfortunately, since I was actually at work today, I didn't think to check on it Oct 27 00:18:27 and when I got home, it was too late Oct 27 00:19:11 so my carefully timed plan for getting the money I have squirreled away for emergency to my actual credit card balance before Friday got blowed up Oct 27 00:19:28 heh Oct 27 00:19:45 which is all to say, that I haven't been able to book either a hotel or flight yet :D Oct 27 00:38:50 neither have i.... Oct 27 00:42:46 Hey I don't suppose anyone here has an n900 as well? Oct 27 01:03:06 hey there party people Oct 27 01:06:18 howdy alex! Oct 27 01:20:13 party!!!! Oct 27 01:22:54 any HR people in here? Oct 27 01:23:02 got a question about "business casual" Oct 27 01:23:04 :D Oct 27 01:23:15 sure, what's up Oct 27 01:24:42 got an interview for an internship with a certain software company whose logo is a fruit, it says business casual Oct 27 01:24:45 I don't own business casual Oct 27 01:25:10 I actually just recently got rid of teh last of it Oct 27 01:25:29 so should I buy business casual or should I just go in plain clothes? Oct 27 01:25:42 buy buisness casual Oct 27 01:26:10 dang Oct 27 01:26:19 I thought software engineers didn't wear business casual Oct 27 01:26:24 so I got rid of it all Oct 27 01:26:34 and I laugh because I realize how ridiculous that all sounds Oct 27 01:26:39 alexfner: An interview with Apple? Oct 27 01:26:49 yeah Oct 27 01:27:09 it's in two days Oct 27 01:27:12 guess I gotta get to the mall Oct 27 01:27:17 tuxedo Oct 27 01:27:22 LOL Oct 27 01:27:32 "cuz that's how I roll" Oct 27 01:27:36 Business casual there would be either denim jeans or khaki pants and a polo shirt, at most, from what my experience there has been. Oct 27 01:28:03 yeah that's what i want to believe :) Oct 27 01:28:21 I was actually told to come to an internship interview in shorts. Oct 27 01:28:34 which interview? Oct 27 01:28:51 With Apple. I forget the team. Oct 27 01:29:02 oh interesting Oct 27 01:29:04 bis casual isn't that bad Oct 27 01:29:08 If in doubt Oct 27 01:29:17 they said "Shorts casual" Oct 27 01:29:19 Polo shirt, leather belt, slacks/nice jeans Oct 27 01:29:56 alexfner: Wait, they really did said "Shorts casual"? Oct 27 01:30:08 *did say Oct 27 01:30:08 dkirker: no ! ;p they said business casual Oct 27 01:30:16 nothing makes employees at disneyland more jumpy than wearing business casual :p Oct 27 01:30:30 alexfner: Ah, then I'd go with what SineOt said. Oct 27 01:30:33 *jumpy* ? Oct 27 01:30:51 alexfner: they all think you're management there because they screwed up Oct 27 01:30:58 heh Oct 27 01:31:11 shoulda saved all my clothes from catholic school Oct 27 01:31:26 in hind sight, getting rid of them immediately after graduation was a mistake :D Oct 27 01:31:51 well goot advice ircers Oct 27 01:32:12 many thanks to you Oct 27 01:32:18 good luck! Oct 27 01:32:19 tux!!! Oct 27 01:33:06 werd Oct 27 01:37:05 sweater vest is always a good choice Oct 27 01:37:15 and sport jacket Oct 27 01:38:36 heh Oct 27 01:38:40 I hope you are joking Oct 27 01:38:53 I get incredibly hot whenever I wear that many layers Oct 27 01:43:11 anyone here ever listen to Peter Bjorn and John? Oct 27 01:47:38 are they like Peter Paul and Mary? Oct 27 01:51:04 heh I don't think so Oct 27 01:51:10 how's the funds drive going sugardave Oct 27 01:51:32 stalled, but it should still get me there since I decided to dip into the hurricane fund Oct 27 01:52:10 and I should get it back with some app money around conference time, so yay Oct 27 01:52:44 sugardave: do ann update tweet and I'll RT it Oct 27 01:53:03 rwhitby: roger that :D Oct 27 01:53:26 We need something like this for printing from webOS Oct 27 01:53:27 http://www.brother-usa.com/VirData/Content/MPrint/ModelBrochure/Mprint5_101408.pdf Oct 27 01:53:32 ill RT as well ;p Oct 27 01:55:21 cool, done Oct 27 01:56:06 now with working link Oct 27 01:58:07 heh Oct 27 01:58:26 I just found out that I have been following the wrong sugar dave Oct 27 01:58:32 haha Oct 27 01:58:35 sugardave: based on previous experiences, some people reading my RT of your tweet will think that it refers to me :) Oct 27 01:58:40 yeah, somebody got it before me Oct 27 01:58:48 rwhitby: even better :D Oct 27 01:59:08 hey rwhitby Oct 27 01:59:13 hye Oct 27 01:59:24 the app didnt go in today Oct 27 01:59:28 :/ Oct 27 01:59:37 not sure what they are waiting on Oct 27 01:59:43 2 others did Oct 27 02:00:42 * rwhitby bbl - lunch Oct 27 02:02:37 CTLAdvance: different reviewers, I guess? Oct 27 02:02:45 yeah prob Oct 27 02:03:03 made a bobble for webos internals Oct 27 02:03:17 like a bobblehead thing? Oct 27 02:03:29 is it the wosi tux? Oct 27 02:03:29 Yep just like the rest of mine Oct 27 02:03:34 yes Oct 27 02:03:41 bobbleheads ftw Oct 27 02:03:43 lookup adora bobble Oct 27 02:03:43 ah, cool...is that the one that's not in yet? Oct 27 02:03:46 its free Oct 27 02:03:50 okay, I will Oct 27 02:04:02 yeah the wosi tux is not in yet Oct 27 02:04:08 bummer Oct 27 02:04:20 Adora, Obama, and bush are Oct 27 02:05:32 gah, I force shut down my desktop (for two reasons, one being im lazy and the other being it keeps it from auto booting at 9am each day), and now the damn kb won't go dark Oct 27 02:06:14 why is it auto booting Oct 27 02:06:38 because I told it to a while ago and haven't changed it back? Oct 27 02:07:20 mostly because I'm to lazy to go into the bios since the last nvidia bios update removed that paticular screen from the in windows bios management Oct 27 02:07:56 interesting bit of kit from Sony Ericcson: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/the-playstation-phone/ Oct 27 02:09:55 saw that Oct 27 02:10:10 I've never owned a PSP Oct 27 02:10:27 CTLAdvance: Adora bobble is hilarious :D Oct 27 02:10:50 lol you got it Oct 27 02:10:51 ? Oct 27 02:11:11 my dog is trying to dig to china through my bed Oct 27 02:11:11 yeah Oct 27 02:11:15 the reviews are funny Oct 27 02:11:23 I'm giving you 5 * Oct 27 02:11:32 people seem to like her ... uh Oct 27 02:11:39 Thank you sir Oct 27 02:16:11 hi all! Oct 27 02:16:45 hi JenP :D Oct 27 02:16:53 hey sugardave! Oct 27 02:17:02 CTLAdvance: yeah, the reviews are, um, interesting Oct 27 02:19:10 Sugar Daves review - I like the adora bubbles! WHOOT! 5*** Oct 27 02:19:23 im sending them an email to moderate the reviews Oct 27 02:22:09 Hows this look for a Bill Bobble Oct 27 02:22:10 http://politicalkudzu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bill-clinton-photograph.jpg Oct 27 02:25:32 yeah, and my wife agrees Oct 27 02:25:42 lol Oct 27 02:39:28 this vinyl cutting software is awesome, if you give it your media dimensions it will tell you how many you can fit tall/wide Oct 27 02:39:54 testing it with a little panda guy i just made at 3" tall, i could cut 550 and not even use half a roll of vinyl Oct 27 02:40:17 pandas :D Oct 27 02:42:24 welp bed time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 27 02:59:57 2010