**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 27 02:59:57 2010 Oct 27 03:55:24 hey everyone...does sound work in the emulator Oct 27 03:55:46 im reading that waves do...but do mp3s? Oct 27 04:04:39 I realized that I do own business casual, except shoes Oct 27 04:05:05 how I could have forgotten this information, I do not know, but at least I have found it once again Oct 27 04:45:23 Hmm - Voogle app, going through kandutech's own servers. Oct 27 04:45:32 Is http://www.kandutech.com/ really slow for anyone else? Oct 27 04:46:24 yes, but holy bandwidth Oct 27 04:46:35 1.539mb background image Oct 27 04:46:53 slow as in ~13 seconds to load Oct 27 05:41:25 Good morning Oct 27 05:41:39 Morning Oct 27 05:42:17 morning Oct 27 05:43:23 the two "night" people :) Oct 27 05:43:30 Still busy? Oct 27 05:44:09 was drinking tequila Oct 27 05:44:29 :S Oct 27 05:44:51 think palm is gonna send me a free palm pre Oct 27 05:44:59 why do you think so ? _D Oct 27 05:45:16 got an email Oct 27 05:45:23 Today? Oct 27 05:45:42 yeah but not pre 2 Oct 27 05:45:47 I was promised one, for a month ago Oct 27 05:45:57 still waiting for "next shipment" Oct 27 05:46:01 they are low in inventory Oct 27 05:46:03 LoneStar99: when did you send in the email? Oct 27 05:46:26 like a month or so ago Oct 27 05:47:33 LoneStar99: and you just now got the email? Huh.. I've been getting panicked about whether they even got my email and was about to resend, but didn't want to bother them Oct 27 05:47:52 well a follow up email Oct 27 05:48:35 i think HP is gonna gona blow the house away Oct 27 05:48:56 blow the house away? Oct 27 05:49:09 I am a little disapointed not getting one yet.. Oct 27 05:50:09 yeah, like but the army to get back what palm lost Oct 27 05:50:24 hehe Oct 27 05:50:36 btw. what tequila are you drinking? Oct 27 05:50:59 i have alot of confidence in HP|Palm Oct 27 05:51:13 don julio Oct 27 05:51:33 like a sipping drink Oct 27 05:51:44 in mexico now Oct 27 05:51:49 i now :) Oct 27 05:52:09 what don julio and is it anygood? Oct 27 05:52:14 gonna buy a pre 2 Oct 27 05:52:15 I need a new one. Oct 27 05:52:35 don julio is amonst the best tequilas Oct 27 05:53:23 but i see there is many different? Oct 27 05:53:29 I always wonder why so many people worry about HP/Palm. I usually take the position that unless I have any direct control over something, I tend not to worry about it and just take what comes. Whether I think HP/Palm is going to succeed or not, and expressing any opinions on that, is not going to affect the outcome. Oct 27 05:53:34 is it 100% algave? Oct 27 05:54:21 rwhitby i don't worry, i just complain about not getting my dev device :) Oct 27 05:55:00 Same with people who say "Palm has to do this, else I'm jumping ship". I mean, who cares if some individual is jumping ship or not. A big company only cares if 1000 people jump ship or not, and the 1000 people that affect market share are not the ones that post on forums. Oct 27 05:55:41 :) the "jump the ship" is ALWAYS a comment on P|C no matter what Oct 27 05:55:54 how about jumping the shark? Oct 27 05:56:42 they need to open up the voice api Oct 27 05:56:55 I'd prefer that those people *did* just jump ship, cause they certainly aren't helping to row ... Oct 27 05:57:10 * halfhalo rented a yatch for right now Oct 27 05:57:11 rwhitby: i agree Oct 27 05:57:16 rwhitby: I'd like them to be more honest, consistent and .. well, just generally better at communication. They dont have to wait for 1000 people to jump ship (probably already have) to fix these.. Oct 27 05:57:29 LoneStar99 what tequila from http://www.donjulio.com can you recomend? Oct 27 05:57:49 * oil_pre takes his ball and goes home xD Oct 27 05:58:14 ajay: many people incorrectly attribute inconsistency incorrectly because a company does not meet a fictitious date that some rumour on some tech site created. Oct 27 05:58:31 hmm - to many incorrectlys Oct 27 05:59:41 was drinking "reposado" Oct 27 06:00:10 if people just ignored all information until the formal press release from the company, they would have a completely different view of the consistency of the company. Oct 27 06:01:31 in san diego dank with homeless, with random folks at the end I ended at http://www.tower23hotel.com Oct 27 06:01:49 I wonder if the tsa would care if I brought an altoids USB charger on the plane... Oct 27 06:02:09 (and people would waste far less time arguing on forums about rumours and release dates too if they just waited for the press releases) Oct 27 06:02:48 at the end everyone has stories Oct 27 06:03:14 but going back to san diego as soon as my work is done Oct 27 06:04:03 roger Oct 27 06:05:31 got the bill today Oct 27 06:05:51 thats why you are getting drunk ? :D Oct 27 06:06:37 neah, it actually ws the beast thing i eve did, it made feel like a man again Oct 27 06:06:40 halfhalo: that's why I check luggage - to much elecronics for the carry-on Oct 27 06:07:17 tsa? Oct 27 06:07:30 Nah, it all fits in my backpack save for the camera case, which I dunno whether I'm bringing yet Oct 27 06:07:31 ok it is $1300 for 3 nights Oct 27 06:07:32 is that not something about personal information or something? Oct 27 06:07:56 Tsa is the transportation security administration Oct 27 06:08:20 of course lots of room service and drinkf Oct 27 06:08:29 drinks Oct 27 06:08:52 What does that mean halfhalo? I normally have laptop and stuff with my flight? Oct 27 06:09:21 going back for 2 nights when i go back Oct 27 06:09:43 Tsa are the people who run the airport security here in the USA Oct 27 06:09:54 i see Oct 27 06:10:07 So many questions they have when you wonna enter usa :s Oct 27 06:10:45 halfhalo: unless u have a gun, knife, or bomb the tsa won't say anything Oct 27 06:10:57 You should be fine, they will just ask you to pull the laptop out for scanning in the xray machine Oct 27 06:11:28 LoneStar99: Its an altoids tin with wires coming out of it... :p Oct 27 06:11:58 well that is a red flag Oct 27 06:12:03 lol Oct 27 06:12:19 just use duct tape Oct 27 06:12:33 then that is another red flag Oct 27 06:12:38 Hah Oct 27 06:13:01 what is wrong with your laptop Oct 27 06:13:13 I need a goodusb charger with two aa's as a power source Oct 27 06:13:22 so Oct 27 06:13:30 u will be alright Oct 27 06:14:32 they are looking for dudes with an android, taped to there belt Oct 27 06:15:04 Hah Oct 27 06:15:08 and they speak broken english Oct 27 06:15:23 Oh eneloops, is there nothing you can't do? Oct 27 06:15:44 I just say g'day to them in an aussie accent and they wave me through Oct 27 06:15:55 hahahahahaaha Oct 27 06:16:01 unless u have something to hide you will be alright Oct 27 06:16:23 Hah, flying out of Kauai they made me empty my backpack due to all the cords initial Oct 27 06:16:29 In it* Oct 27 06:16:32 so Oct 27 06:17:10 tell them to search, and feel free to search Oct 27 06:17:16 They also wen crazy since I had a rubber band in my pocket for the body scanning crap Oct 27 06:17:32 those boys are just bored in hawaii Oct 27 06:18:31 It was even slower than lax Oct 27 06:18:37 if u have nothing to hide, then dont be afraid Oct 27 06:18:59 smile and say thank you Oct 27 06:19:21 But that may have something to do with the fact that Lax has first class line cutting :p Oct 27 06:19:44 cuss i can tell u all a story about some sweds, but i leave it at this Oct 27 06:20:46 brb in 5 Oct 27 06:21:47 Oh, it looks like I won't have to pay for parking at lax either, going to drop my car off at my grandma's down the street Oct 27 06:22:45 Saves me like 50 dollars right there Oct 27 06:24:00 nice :) Oct 27 06:25:23 ASSUMING I have no exams that thursday I'm definitely going though Oct 27 06:26:37 we are talking nn Oct 27 06:26:39 nyc? Oct 27 06:26:49 Yup Oct 27 06:27:15 :) Oct 27 06:30:40 i am dangerous country Oct 27 06:31:53 you are? Oct 27 06:32:07 A whole country? Oct 27 06:32:17 accidentially? Oct 27 06:32:38 not militay trained here, but there are things that i have noticed that are not right Oct 27 06:32:55 the Lone Star Country Oct 27 06:33:05 mexico now Oct 27 06:34:11 Last time I was is Mexico I was... Six i think Oct 27 06:34:24 it is not the tequila, it is just plan weird Oct 27 06:34:52 my cousin talks to much shit Oct 27 06:35:26 damn there is hella peeps in #meego/#maemo.. i guess that platforms more popular than i thought?! Oct 27 06:36:08 fuck I do not meet my demise here Oct 27 06:36:20 LoneStar99 maybe it stime for bed? Oct 27 06:36:50 hotdp: it is the truth Oct 27 06:37:02 Can someone explain to me, whe my Palm Pre sometimes shutdown! and when i turn it on the clock and date is ALL wrong? Oct 27 06:37:19 gremlins Oct 27 06:37:39 Time gremlins strike again! Oct 27 06:37:41 that or homebrew. I always forget which. Oct 27 06:37:52 ah man not gremlins.. definitely DON't pour water on your phone, and don't feed it after midnight. Whatever you do! Oct 27 06:38:08 so you boys know I am in manzallio mexico Oct 27 06:38:49 Is that the drug running part of Mexico or the non murderous Mexico? Oct 27 06:39:13 the problem is my cousin runs his mouth Oct 27 06:40:25 not drug dealing part, but it is a part I should have come to Oct 27 06:43:46 dudes very serious If i come out of this I would be very stoked, I need to tlak to my cousin in the morning, if not I will leave within 48 hours Oct 27 06:44:13 :D Oct 27 06:46:24 Morning and so on Oct 27 06:46:32 yeah, i can not be here, he threqts everyone like shit Oct 27 06:46:49 :S Oct 27 06:46:49 I've been searching, looking and digging: is there a Google Voice app for Pre? Oct 27 06:47:00 teemu Oct 27 06:47:22 Nope Oct 27 06:47:23 believe i will take the first flight out Oct 27 06:47:31 teemu http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/10/voogle-to-bring-google-voice-back-to-webos/ Oct 27 06:47:39 LoneStar99 better be sage :) Oct 27 06:47:57 hotdp: what! I'm visiting that RIGHT NOW! Oct 27 06:48:07 hotdp Oct 27 06:48:22 save* Oct 27 06:48:22 hotdp: yeah fuck that Oct 27 06:48:47 http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Battery-Powered-Emergency-Flashlight/dp/B003M9Z5F6/ref=pd_cp_e_2 Oct 27 06:49:02 For less than 2 dollars you can't go wrong Oct 27 06:49:23 LOL! Oct 27 06:49:40 1½ $ ? Oct 27 06:49:46 that thing MUST explode Oct 27 06:50:12 hotdp: gah, you tease! ;^) Oct 27 06:51:43 hotdp: well that's good news (Voogle). Hopefully it's going to be available soon. Oct 27 06:53:00 :) Oct 27 06:54:51 alright brb gonna smoke a filterless cigarette Oct 27 06:55:05 Eh, it's 2 bucks, don't care if it explodes Oct 27 06:55:50 halfhalo http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23566 ? Oct 27 06:56:33 Nah, I want a aa powered one so I can swap em out with my cameras batteries Oct 27 06:56:43 i see Oct 27 06:57:18 There's a duracell one for 20 that I may get later on if this one works out Oct 27 06:58:28 http://www.dealextreme.com/ has so much "crap" Oct 27 06:58:47 Yeah.. Oct 27 06:59:00 supposed to wake 5 hrs from now Oct 27 06:59:09 darn it Oct 27 06:59:15 Lol Oct 27 07:00:58 ~250-300. not great. better than rs :) Oct 27 07:01:20 oops wrong channel :) Oct 27 07:01:47 halfh Oct 27 07:03:09 i think need 2 go asleep soon, all I know things are weird Oct 27 07:05:06 some smokers where within 2 feet of the door Oct 27 07:05:44 LoneStar99 good night :) Oct 27 07:06:17 will go to sleep in 1 hour Oct 27 07:13:19 hotdp: if i get the free device i will send to you Oct 27 07:18:37 man I just wrote a bunch of slides Oct 27 07:18:43 and I started to feel bummed about them Oct 27 07:18:49 and then I realized I was happy with them Oct 27 07:18:51 odd Oct 27 07:41:14 <[AD]Turbo> hi there Oct 27 07:41:29 hi Turbo Oct 27 07:41:40 <[AD]Turbo> hi hotdp Oct 27 07:47:09 sproutcore is so impressive Oct 27 07:47:14 and simple Oct 27 07:47:24 geebzsus Oct 27 07:47:31 alright I gotta get up in 4 hours Oct 27 07:47:34 good night Oct 27 07:50:51 i have a question/pop survey about a problem i'm having - want to see if i've got the right diagnosis Oct 27 07:51:32 i have an O2 Pre, which is no longer getting network time updated Oct 27 07:52:12 it seemed to start happening just after i installed the etc/fstab fix so that i could use wIRC Oct 27 07:52:33 anybody else had this problem, or seen reports? Oct 27 07:52:57 nope Oct 27 07:52:58 i don't seem to have that patch listed in Preware to uninstall it Oct 27 07:54:01 :/ might just have to try doctoring it, then Oct 27 08:41:56 k guess it's about g'nite! Oct 27 08:42:04 night :D Oct 27 09:18:49 good morning ! Oct 27 09:24:06 good morning warpdesign__ Oct 27 09:33:12 mornning Oct 27 09:33:31 LoneStar99 did yo not hit the bed? Oct 27 09:33:42 nope Oct 27 09:34:02 :) Oct 27 09:34:55 i have more energy than a nuclear reactor Oct 27 09:37:11 i am starting to fall to sleep Oct 27 09:37:21 but still awake Oct 27 09:38:24 :) Oct 27 09:38:51 about 4 months ago i wanted to die, know life not take me down Oct 27 09:39:20 know life will not get me Oct 27 09:41:01 life is short, and it will not take us, unless we think weak Oct 27 09:42:41 LoneStar99... Oct 27 09:42:50 yes sir Oct 27 09:42:57 You need some sleep mate Oct 27 09:43:21 no sleep, just more life Oct 27 09:43:37 hehe there will still be life when you wake again :) Oct 27 09:43:59 i do not sleep Oct 27 13:44:01 back Oct 27 13:55:35 For anyone with a Pixi, there's a testing feed version of UberKernel/Pixi which runs at 768MHz available. Oct 27 14:21:12 rwhitby still here? Oct 27 14:22:12 CTLAdvance: yep Oct 27 14:22:38 unless they do something funny, webOS internals bobble should be in your catalog Oct 27 14:23:31 ok, let me check that before updating the kernel on that device Oct 27 14:23:58 CTLAdvance: what's the redirect URL? Oct 27 14:24:16 just a moment Oct 27 14:24:38 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ctladvance.bobbleheadtux Oct 27 14:28:05 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/28894455502 Oct 27 14:29:07 :) Oct 27 14:29:29 sweet Oct 27 14:29:33 just retweeted Oct 27 14:50:05 hi Oct 27 14:50:55 hi MetaView Oct 27 15:23:28 morning Oct 27 15:23:54 morning sugardave Oct 27 15:23:59 morning sugardav1 Oct 27 15:24:08 oops Oct 27 15:24:12 new nick? Oct 27 15:24:15 ahh :) Oct 27 15:24:33 heh, no I must have lost my connection at some point Oct 27 15:24:37 what is progress on nyc? Oct 27 15:24:45 bouncer ftw Oct 27 15:25:00 79%, enough to start booking flights and hotel on Friday, I think Oct 27 15:25:10 :) Oct 27 15:25:16 sounds good Oct 27 15:25:21 stay at the ramada, then we can share a cab :p Oct 27 15:25:25 yeah, I'm excited Oct 27 15:25:37 halfhalo: which Ramada are you staying at? Oct 27 15:25:51 Jersey City Oct 27 15:25:54 I will be at newyorkerhotel.com Oct 27 15:26:14 hmmm Oct 27 15:29:02 hotdp: dang, that one is expensive :D Oct 27 15:29:41 i am rich :P Oct 27 15:29:48 heh Oct 27 15:29:49 haha.. no Oct 27 15:30:18 it was "recemended" on expidia Oct 27 15:30:41 Hotel + flight = 1272$ Oct 27 15:30:48 from tuestay to sunday Oct 27 15:30:56 thats not half bad Oct 27 15:31:02 ah, that is actually pretty good Oct 27 15:31:13 yer i also thought so Oct 27 15:31:42 i know its not a "crap" hotel.. but hope it is fine Oct 27 15:32:17 looks nice Oct 27 15:32:31 nicer than the Holland Motor Lodge :D Oct 27 15:32:37 :) Oct 27 15:34:23 Every hotel I looked at in nyc was 200+ a night... :/ Oct 27 15:34:50 Holiday Inn Express JFK is $125, but kind of far from Mercer street Oct 27 15:35:20 yeah, and taxis to/from jfk are more than 45 Oct 27 15:35:27 weak Oct 27 15:35:33 yup Oct 27 15:36:03 ramada= 20 for a taxi to nyc, free airport shuttle from newark, and 79 a night Oct 27 15:36:06 not to shabby Oct 27 15:36:12 I always look for offers at expedia, i some times save 50% Oct 27 16:10:20 I love how amazon second day shipping, waits until there is one day left, and then they ship everything overnight Oct 27 16:14:45 no opera love http://tantek.com/2010/300/b1/disable-java-now Oct 27 16:14:50 woops. wrong window Oct 27 16:53:11 Good Morning Chuqui Oct 27 16:53:29 Welcome Back! Oct 27 16:53:52 hey howdy. Oct 27 16:54:14 get any good pictures chuqui? Oct 27 16:54:19 super windy here today Oct 27 16:54:50 I had one good day of shooting in merced Oct 27 16:55:10 Can i ask what merced is? Oct 27 16:55:11 http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/5109132432/ Oct 27 16:55:21 nice Oct 27 16:55:52 http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/5109500596/ Oct 27 16:56:03 http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/5109501226/ Oct 27 16:56:12 some nice quality time with the sandhill cranes, which I love. Oct 27 16:58:17 nice chuq Oct 27 16:58:39 Ahh i see Oct 27 16:58:50 if you followed @chuq on twitter you would know of his adventures Oct 27 16:58:58 when you first said shooting, I thought you were there shooting birds with a gun -_- Oct 27 16:58:59 lol Oct 27 16:59:08 I follow chuqui ;) Oct 27 16:59:11 spent some time at monterey bay aquarium yesterday with Laurie. some interesting stuff from there I'm just starting to sort through. Oct 27 16:59:27 no. no guns. take only photos, leave only footprints Oct 27 17:01:32 chuqui are you the only one who looks at pdc? If, there must be alot of emails when you are not there for some time.. Oct 27 17:01:47 no. Oct 27 17:01:58 good :) Oct 27 17:02:09 we actually have brought on someone to help with the email, and there's now a few of us keeping an eye on things. Oct 27 17:02:18 good. Oct 27 17:02:23 gonna let me spend more time on some other things I've wanted to do. Oct 27 17:02:34 What is that ? ;) Oct 27 17:03:08 Do you have any information about the dev devices? (waiting on second shipment) Oct 27 17:03:27 "stuff" Oct 27 17:03:47 and no, no info on the dev devices. another group is handling those, and I'm a few hundred emails behind in my inbox. Oct 27 17:03:50 hehe ok, hope its _good_ stuff Oct 27 17:05:28 chuqui are you comming to NYC dev day? Oct 27 17:06:29 no, I'm not going to NYC. staying home and watching the fort. Oct 27 17:06:41 Ok :/ Oct 27 17:09:25 http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8167/ramfaild.png Oct 27 17:10:49 iwinrar Oct 27 17:10:50 lol Oct 27 17:10:54 I just fell off my chair Oct 27 17:11:18 lol Oct 27 17:11:32 and his tech level is set to high Oct 27 17:34:24 rwhitby have you heard about a EU UTMS Palm Pre 2? Oct 27 17:43:55 how do you run a curl or luna-send on palm://com.palm.systemservice/time? Oct 27 17:44:30 lucky rodgers people Oct 27 17:46:38 ? Oct 27 17:47:00 -d Oct 27 17:47:03 rogers Oct 27 17:47:04 pre2 Oct 27 18:09:32 chuqui: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27218077@N00/5108417912/ I really like this pano Oct 27 18:10:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKmh-0E5BjU i am addicted to this song Oct 27 18:11:09 I love that Flickr has large, which is 1024x124, and then Original which is 20565x2481. Why can't there be a middle :C Oct 27 18:13:22 that is odd Oct 27 18:13:32 and orginal is HUGE lol Oct 27 18:17:36 ah. this just posted: http://www.chuqui.com/2010/10/dawn-patrol/ Oct 27 18:19:18 some awesome pictures chuqui Oct 27 18:20:21 I love the Eastern Sierras, they're beautiful. Mono lake is an amazing, amazing place. Oct 27 18:23:06 I was planning to go to Eastern Sierra and Mono, but the storms cancelled those plans. word is Tioga may be closed for the season, three weeks earlier than norma. Oct 27 18:24:19 That's kind of surprising, yeah. We used to go up there in the Summer every year. Great area. That drive up 395 is a lot of fun. :9 Oct 27 18:31:34 Whats with all this HD hubub Oct 27 18:32:58 Hm? Oct 27 18:34:38 Is the pre 2pre 2 is same res isnt it? Oct 27 18:34:44 oy Oct 27 18:35:14 Yeah Oct 27 18:35:18 320x480 Oct 27 18:35:48 if that rumor is to beleived about Foxconn getting orders for more Palm devices though it's entirely possible that there's more phones/hardware in the pipeline that might have some interesting specs Oct 27 18:36:41 several people would have to be insane for there not to be Oct 27 18:37:27 well, it's common sense to assume that there's more devices, but if Foxconn is already taking orders for them then it means they're a lot closer to production (and being in people's hands) than might otherwise be assumed Oct 27 18:41:11 well christmas is a wise target for shiny new gadgets Oct 27 18:41:52 that'd be amazing: verizon gets the Pre2 in November like some rumors are saying, and Sprint gets the Pre HD in December? :P Oct 27 18:43:46 exclusive agreements make me a sad panda Oct 27 18:47:36 I think they put christmas to rest via the 2011 announcement Oct 27 18:48:13 I honestly dont expect anything until June of 2011, pre 2 seems like a stop gap to try and stem some of the bleeding Oct 27 19:47:48 wow the galazy tab has a speaker phone built in Oct 27 20:17:28 my pre+ all of a sudden won't keep my extra 'pages', no matter, removed them, patches, etc.. just resets to the stock 3, (rearranging all my icons:/ ) any suggestions of known issue/app/patches? Oct 27 20:18:14 hello Oct 27 20:18:21 hey Oct 27 20:18:38 just wondering if anyone here could help me with FilterLists Oct 27 20:18:56 ask you question, and stick around Oct 27 20:19:04 people will see/answer it as they get time Oct 27 20:19:19 I asked the question on the developer forums here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9540 Oct 27 20:19:29 had a fair amount of views, but only one response Oct 27 20:19:49 basically my list scrolls up, and the scroll top for the list is changed when the list first filters Oct 27 20:19:53 yeah, I saw that one...didn't respond because I don't know how to fix it :D Oct 27 20:20:06 lol :) Oct 27 20:20:30 I just don't understand why it would be doing that Oct 27 20:20:42 other filter lists in my app filter just fine Oct 27 20:20:58 could it be because in that particular scene I have multiple filter lists? Oct 27 20:21:22 I had other strangeness like that when I was trying to use 2 scrollers in one div and hiding/showing one or the other, but I could always scrollToTop with mine Oct 27 20:21:56 It was something like if I scrolled one of the lists, then showed the other scroller, that list was also scrolled Oct 27 20:21:59 never fixed it Oct 27 20:22:20 I just want it to not scroll Oct 27 20:22:33 I can scrollToTop, but it just doesn't look good when the list scrolls Oct 27 20:22:39 by itself that is Oct 27 20:22:45 you can make it do it without showing the animation Oct 27 20:27:12 now for some reason palm-install stopped working... Oct 27 20:28:55 progress....er Oct 27 20:29:49 heh Oct 27 20:30:12 can't remove apps on the phone either... Oct 27 20:30:17 gonna try a restart Oct 27 20:59:03 anyone here with a pixi? Oct 27 20:59:27 was wondering how nice the keyboard is, and what it's comparable to Oct 27 21:15:33 fareal: pixi keyboard is ok Oct 27 21:15:43 it is better than the pre one supposedly. Oct 27 21:15:49 I think it's pretty good Oct 27 21:15:53 I think it is better Oct 27 21:15:54 yeah, most poeple like it Oct 27 21:16:04 better than blackberry? Oct 27 21:16:10 the only other keyboard I have to compare it with is BB Curve, but I like how the Pre feels better Oct 27 21:16:17 maybe you can type faster on the Curve, idk Oct 27 21:16:33 so in your opinion pixi>pre>bb Oct 27 21:16:49 I like how the Pre/Pixi's keyboard is not as wide as the Curve's keyboard Oct 27 21:17:05 so my thumb doesn't have to travel so far to type Oct 27 21:17:15 I would agree with that @fareal Oct 27 21:17:36 wonderful, exactly what i wanted to hear Oct 27 21:17:48 lol Oct 27 21:18:02 I love palm =) Oct 27 21:18:07 palm is the best Oct 27 21:18:07 well, you might have a different feel for the keyboard than I do Oct 27 21:18:16 I would recommend testing them out at a local store Oct 27 21:18:20 i can't wait to hear the comments i get from people when they see it Oct 27 21:18:24 Sprint has the Pre and the Curve Oct 27 21:18:37 they call my galaxy s a 'fake iphone' Oct 27 21:18:50 will this be a 'fake blackberry'? Oct 27 21:19:35 if you want it to be Oct 27 21:19:35 no Pre/Pixi are nothing like Blackberry Oct 27 21:19:36 at all Oct 27 21:19:44 they are so much better Oct 27 21:19:59 i know, but these n00bs generalise shitloads Oct 27 21:20:07 my galaxy s is nothing like an iPhone 3G Oct 27 21:20:11 BB (besides the new one they are currently promoting) just look outdated Oct 27 21:20:23 Pre has a very nice look to it Oct 27 21:20:27 1ghz hummingbird with gpu, super amoled screen etc. Oct 27 21:20:28 Pixi too Oct 27 21:21:24 I think RIM made the right choice when they redesigned their new BB Oct 27 21:21:25 i don't think i'd buy a pre Oct 27 21:21:35 rsanchez_: the Torch? Oct 27 21:21:38 possibly a pre 2 Oct 27 21:21:40 it's the Torch? Oct 27 21:21:44 torch is shocking Oct 27 21:21:50 torch is the slider Oct 27 21:22:06 yeah slider + touchscreen Oct 27 21:22:20 at least in the commercials it doesn't look like something from 5 years ago Oct 27 21:22:24 like every other BB Oct 27 21:22:28 heh Oct 27 21:22:37 the os is though Oct 27 21:22:48 it uses BB OS 6 right? Oct 27 21:23:00 I thought that was supposed to look so much better than OS 5? Oct 27 21:23:19 yup OS 6.0 Oct 27 21:23:20 i didn't see all that much difference Oct 27 21:23:22 tbh Oct 27 21:23:28 never really been a big fan Oct 27 21:23:45 it is better... still dated compared to other offerings tho Oct 27 21:24:11 yeah seriously Oct 27 21:24:30 when I walked into a Sprint store a couple of weeks ago, the Pre and the BB were both the same price with a new contract Oct 27 21:24:34 the Pixi was free Oct 27 21:24:39 both look better than the Curve Oct 27 21:24:54 I think the choice would be easy for the average person Oct 27 21:25:18 except if they have the money to throw away on an EVO 4G, the phone that everyone seems to want nowadays Oct 27 21:25:27 nah, can;t afford a pre2, it's €450 Oct 27 21:25:42 rsanchez_: BBM is a big reason some people wont switch Oct 27 21:26:08 what is BBM anyway? Oct 27 21:26:17 serious question I never used it Oct 27 21:26:30 I know it's some sort of messenger app Oct 27 21:26:33 but what's so good about it Oct 27 21:26:38 BB to BB messaging Oct 27 21:26:43 free worldwide Oct 27 21:26:59 rsanchez_: im for bb Oct 27 21:27:04 no major deal Oct 27 21:27:20 does the App Catalog have any messaging apps? Oct 27 21:27:20 it was a big deal when text plans were pricey Oct 27 21:27:25 i've never understood the big deal either Oct 27 21:28:03 man the maemo forums are blowin up with their excitement about being able to run WebOS games! Oct 27 21:28:07 Here's a funny comment: "Can please some really help by giving step by step instructions on how to install webos to N900" Oct 27 21:29:25 you should reply "Obtain cash. Buy Palm Pre. Activate." Oct 27 21:29:37 did the Pre2 bring back the SD card? I wonder why Palm took it out.. Oct 27 21:30:03 maybe all the maemo guys can boost App Catalog sales... Oct 27 21:30:06 as far as i know it didnt/doesnt Oct 27 21:30:08 rather than having to metadoctor the phone to install a chroot, it could all be done on the SD card Oct 27 21:30:17 HPalm should see how they can take advantage of that Oct 27 21:30:38 meh, is that the only thing you would use an SD card for? Oct 27 21:30:47 I really don't see the point to having an SD card Oct 27 21:31:03 expandable/swapable storage Oct 27 21:31:14 btw was there any date other than 'coming months' for webos2? Oct 27 21:31:17 i can see it mainly because when the next palm phone comes out Oct 27 21:31:20 i switch cards Oct 27 21:31:23 and all is done Oct 27 21:31:32 fareal nope Oct 27 21:31:39 dammit Oct 27 21:31:47 I don't need expandable storage when I already have 16GB Oct 27 21:32:18 u wont to need to have to connect a pc to it Oct 27 21:32:25 transfer all the stuff u want off Oct 27 21:32:36 and then transfer it to another phone Oct 27 21:32:44 or pull out a card and slip it into another Oct 27 21:32:46 I only own one phone Oct 27 21:32:49 ima go option b Oct 27 21:32:53 dohtem: some balked at buying a Pre after finding this page http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Palm_Pre_privacy/ Oct 27 21:32:55 ur going to stick with that phone for life? Oct 27 21:33:05 I'm not going to have more than one phone at a time... Oct 27 21:33:06 and if that phone dies Oct 27 21:33:10 rsanchez_: You have 16GB free? I'm already half-empty Oct 27 21:33:19 ... Oct 27 21:33:21 how you going to get ur stuff back Oct 27 21:33:24 oh right u cant Oct 27 21:33:40 it's so easy to backup via USB dude Oct 27 21:33:50 plug it in, transfer, bam done Oct 27 21:33:54 Yeah backups on the pre aren't super easy.. Oct 27 21:34:12 I'm backing up all my photos right now Oct 27 21:34:17 super easy Oct 27 21:34:17 if u cant boot into usb mode? Oct 27 21:34:20 I guess if you're just doing /media/internal it's not so bad Oct 27 21:34:26 and that is still wasted time Oct 27 21:34:34 id rather be able to take it out, pop it into something else Oct 27 21:34:40 well what are you gonna be doing when you fill up your SD card? Oct 27 21:34:44 and be done with it, not waste time transfering everything Oct 27 21:34:47 pop it out, put it into your computer, transfer Oct 27 21:34:51 same thing you're doing with USB Oct 27 21:34:54 People complain because the iPhone has "only" 32 GB Oct 27 21:35:00 only with USB you take out the middleman Oct 27 21:35:18 and with USB u cant recover if your phone is bricked Oct 27 21:35:18 So nobody knows why they removed the SD? I wonder if it was Verizon-related Oct 27 21:35:21 but thats all good Oct 27 21:35:31 good luck bricking a Pre Oct 27 21:35:47 yeah. you don't brick pres. Oct 27 21:35:53 pres brick you? Oct 27 21:36:00 correct Oct 27 21:36:19 "I may have been living under a rock, but I have to ask: given the hardware and software similarities, how come the Pre is getting all this commercial development while the N900 virtually none? " Oct 27 21:36:52 so u only want to transfer stuff off when its full? Oct 27 21:36:55 ok :D Oct 27 21:37:08 ... Oct 27 21:37:12 no I backup periodically Oct 27 21:37:29 what's the first thing everyone does when they have taken a lot of photos on their camera? Oct 27 21:37:29 when it comes down to it if i got a replacement phone or a new phone ima want to go right to it Oct 27 21:37:32 put them on the computer Oct 27 21:37:33 funny, because I was excited about Fennec/Opera/Skype (etc?) that are on n900, but maybe they've actually got little of interest.. "The Palm Pre (and Pre2) has more users than the N900 ever will." someone says.. sure are a lot more people in #meego/#maemo tho Oct 27 21:37:33 not have to transfer Oct 27 21:37:36 that's what I do with my phone Oct 27 21:37:50 i send them to myself with out connecting it to a pc Oct 27 21:38:14 SD-card? Oct 27 21:38:14 so you don't want to waste an extra 5 minutes or so? Oct 27 21:38:29 I'd love to throw a ton of movies, music, audio/video podcasts Oct 27 21:38:49 if prefer not to waste any time that isnt needed Oct 27 21:38:51 I mean if that's really the only thing you need an SD card, to transfer to a new phone Oct 27 21:39:04 it's one time use Oct 27 21:39:06 Plus looking at my df results I have no ext partition with more than 30 MB free.. yikes! Oct 27 21:39:15 the other times you're gonna be using it like a USB anyway Oct 27 21:39:29 also works wonders for those who get loaner phones, who switch devices a lot Oct 27 21:39:32 has several uses Oct 27 21:39:35 usb mode, only one Oct 27 21:40:21 but i figure you go with your prefered method and ill hope palm goes with something that is standard in most phones and well... most devices these days Oct 27 21:40:26 the only time I ever needed an SD card was when I had a phone with only 70MB of on device memory Oct 27 21:40:59 I would use the SD-card, if the Pre had one Oct 27 21:41:09 it is specially useful for those who like music and dont really have a beta plan Oct 27 21:41:12 err data Oct 27 21:41:14 but they didn't add it because of design constraints... Oct 27 21:41:15 me too MetaView Oct 27 21:41:22 rsanchez_: So are you arguing that it shouldn't have one because you don't know what you'd do with all that space? Oct 27 21:41:31 so they say but they could add a sim card? Oct 27 21:41:32 hmmm Oct 27 21:41:40 is there any webos app for streaming music from my pc or something like spotify or mspot? Oct 27 21:41:43 Imagine, with an SD card you could automagically backup your phone<->SD card DAILY with no effort! Oct 27 21:41:47 you can still add music using USB-mode or Wifi and a ssh server Oct 27 21:42:04 ajay oh no not being able to backup with no effort Oct 27 21:42:07 I can backup my phone to the USB-partition... and? Oct 27 21:42:07 I don't need one because now I have enough space Oct 27 21:42:08 how dare they allow somethign like that Oct 27 21:42:09 MetaView: The original Pre did, afaik Oct 27 21:42:19 nope Oct 27 21:42:33 iWinRar: ?? Oct 27 21:42:39 there is no SD-card in any webos-device Oct 27 21:42:52 @Palm: jtablesession::Store Failed Oct 27 21:42:53 DB function failed with error number 1062 Oct 27 21:42:53 Duplicate entry '23250f85171853d712c239c7c31aba96' for key 'PRIMARY' SQL=INSERT INTO `jos_session` ( `session_id`,`time`,`username`,`gid`,`guest`,`client_id` ) VALUES ( '23250f85171853d712c239c7c31aba96','1288215334','','0','1','0' ) Oct 27 21:42:55 MetaView: oh! I thought that was one of the big changes from the Pre to Pre+. my mistake Oct 27 21:43:12 I'm oof to bed, g'night Oct 27 21:43:26 You're gonna be plugging your phone in to charge anyway, there's no extra effort to plug it in to your computer instead of the AC charger and putting your phone into USB mode Oct 27 21:43:42 ajay i was being facetious Oct 27 21:45:24 iWinRar: yeah i got the impression you were criticizing my comment Oct 27 21:46:12 MetaView: yeah guess you're right. there was a mini-furor about the lack of SD/miniSD Oct 27 21:46:37 i was kinda saying that the whole time... so no Oct 27 21:46:57 i think i'm gonna stick a picture of a pixi plus as my laptop background until i get one Oct 27 21:47:04 All my other phones had microSD... But I've never missed it with my Pixi. Oct 27 21:47:18 just to remind me of it's beauty Oct 27 21:47:37 They make sense when your phone has like, 70mb of memory available to you, but it's kind of moot when you've got 8/16GB just sitting there. Oct 27 21:47:56 SineOT: that's exactly what I think of SD cards Oct 27 21:48:08 they're a relic of a time when phones had no storage Oct 27 21:48:26 they're good for cameras that have no on-device storage Oct 27 21:48:32 and for phones that have only 70MB Oct 27 21:48:39 a phone with 8GB/16GB? Oct 27 21:48:44 why use SD? Oct 27 21:48:57 if you really, really need to be carrying around phone storage + 32GB microSDHC then well, you're like a super fringe case Oct 27 21:49:12 in fact I'm using my phone as a USB drive instead of carrying around an extra flash drive Oct 27 21:50:12 I still have a plain USB drive since I can just plug it in and be done with it, no need for a cable or to start USB mode, but for transferring movies and stuff I use my phone Oct 27 21:50:13 but I NEED to have all the TomTom maps loaded all the time! Oct 27 21:50:18 SineOt: what if I want to use my phone, not just to make calls, but maybe.. watch movies? music? etc? Oct 27 21:51:04 stream the music Oct 27 21:51:07 a 640x480 movie (and you're fooling yourself if you're bothering to put higher quality on there) will be like, what, 500? 600mb? Oct 27 21:51:15 rsanchez_: stream from where? Oct 27 21:51:24 there's Grooveshark Oct 27 21:51:36 you also have Pandora if you just want a radio app Oct 27 21:51:43 meh, i want something like spotify Oct 27 21:51:47 you can even stream regular radio if they post an internet stream Oct 27 21:51:54 or preferably audiogalaxy or mspot Oct 27 21:51:55 actually, let me check. I've got some iPod/Pre/Pixi formatted movies. Oct 27 21:52:11 meh, I think Grooveshark is better, but they actually do have a Spotify app if you're not in the US Oct 27 21:52:22 Yeah, 653mb. Oct 27 21:52:41 and why do you want to keep that movie on your phone after you're done watching it? Oct 27 21:52:51 it would be wasting space on an SD card too Oct 27 21:53:05 you just get extra space to waste with more movies on an SD card Oct 27 21:53:23 rsanchez_: waheey, that was exactly what i wanted Oct 27 21:53:27 <3 spotify Oct 27 21:53:38 and at random, I picked 24 hours of music at 256 AAC, and it takes up... 2GB. Oct 27 21:53:45 someone already mentioned -- not everyone has data connections. Oct 27 21:54:00 heh, i got a couple of 8 and 16gb ipods lying around for music Oct 27 21:54:08 My friend actually turned off the data connection on his Android phone recently. He didn't think it was worth the $30/mo Oct 27 21:54:19 grooveshark is cheaper than spotify anyway, no country restrictions either Oct 27 21:54:31 If you can tell me, straight faced, that you need more than say, 78 hours of music and 2 or 3 feature length movies at any given time Oct 27 21:54:59 ajay: he might have a point, I checked netstat and this month I used over 1GB of data on wifi, but only 37MB on 3G Oct 27 21:55:03 then you should probably just slightly alter your music habits (this is where smart playlists in iTunes come in handy) Oct 27 21:55:14 I'd rather spend $30 on a 16GB SD card Oct 27 21:55:21 rsanchez_: How'd you check that? Oct 27 21:55:23 Oh lord let me check how much data I've got on my Pixi Oct 27 21:55:43 ajay: Netstat app, you can get it on Preware Oct 27 21:56:21 yep, this month I have 1.1GB over wifi, 38.7MB over 3G Oct 27 21:56:30 SineOt: This originally started when I mentioned that I don't have space to do an X11 chroot Oct 27 21:56:51 ajay: how much space does that take? Oct 27 21:56:58 so I'm uh, 12 days into this billing cycle and I'm at 593MB over 3G :x Oct 27 21:57:05 i have this half month 300mb over 3G Oct 27 21:57:13 but i have streamed a podcast occasionally Oct 27 21:57:19 lol I don't have the patience to download 593MB worth of data over 3G Oct 27 21:57:20 I'm probably going to break 1GB by the end of the month Oct 27 21:57:30 unlmtd data! Oct 27 21:57:39 Sprint! Oct 27 21:57:45 giffgaff! Oct 27 21:57:49 most of it is more than likely due to using Slacker Plus as the radio in my car Oct 27 21:57:51 actually I'm gonna check my account on Sprint, see if that data is accurate Oct 27 21:58:42 huh, apparently I have a 150$ credit towards a new phone for some reason. Oct 27 21:59:04 i'll take that! Oct 27 21:59:17 chuqui: not going to dev day? I'm heartboroken. :( Oct 27 21:59:25 hmm, Sprint is telling me I used 160MB of data this month Oct 27 21:59:47 data whore! Oct 27 21:59:47 must be because I didn't install Netstat at the start of that billing period Oct 27 21:59:49 :) Oct 27 22:00:05 rwhitby: sorry. Just didn't make sense with everything I'm involved with. Oct 27 22:00:10 either way that's only 10% of my data consumption Oct 27 22:00:16 1GB over wifi Oct 27 22:00:36 downloading H.A.W.X. probably helped contribute to that number Oct 27 22:00:48 only $0.99, couldn't resist! Oct 27 22:00:49 how big is hawx? Oct 27 22:01:29 probably massive Oct 27 22:01:38 according to the patch that shows you app statistics in the app catalog, it's 209.59MB Oct 27 22:01:45 I don't know if that's accurate, but sounds accuratre Oct 27 22:01:49 60 is my bet Oct 27 22:02:06 Yeah, that sounds about right. Oct 27 22:02:37 does Palm compress an app before delivering it? Oct 27 22:04:55 .ipk is an ar of tar.gz Oct 27 22:05:00 alrighty, i'm gonna head off Oct 27 22:05:17 i know the .ipa (iphone apps) are just renamed .zips :P Oct 27 22:05:48 anyone here? Oct 27 22:05:58 just us chickens Oct 27 22:06:02 buck buck buck Oct 27 22:06:26 maybe that size that's showing in the catalog is uncompressed size then Oct 27 22:07:06 anyone wanna help me on trying to get my txt manager app to work? Oct 27 22:07:26 sure, what's it do Oct 27 22:07:57 its not working right. im not hearing the sounds that i configured for a user. i only hear the system sound Oct 27 22:08:31 nighty night Oct 27 22:09:04 chuqui: darn, I wanted to see the puppies Oct 27 22:09:50 sugardave: hows the total going? Oct 27 22:10:15 I'm at 79%, but a little love from my bank means I can book my stuff in a couple of hours Oct 27 22:10:20 sugardave: http://tailsmagazines.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/golden-retriever-puppies.jpg Oct 27 22:10:23 ca__: damn wish I could help! :( Oct 27 22:10:37 PUPPIES! Oct 27 22:10:43 chuqui: lol Oct 27 22:11:05 kittens are better~ Oct 27 22:11:19 SineOt: Everytime you masturbate, god kills a kitten Oct 27 22:11:23 I have spent the last 2 hours trolling repopular and have found a bunch of cool stuff Oct 27 22:11:29 chuqui: cuteness overload! Oct 27 22:12:02 that is a shitton of puppies! Oct 27 22:12:15 SineOt: what about a puppy and a kitten hugging? Oct 27 22:12:17 10 1/5 puppies Oct 27 22:12:19 metric or imperial shitton Oct 27 22:12:29 ajay: in some parts of the world, that's dinner with enough for leftovers! Oct 27 22:12:32 rsanchez_: I actually lied, otter pups are superior to everything Oct 27 22:12:45 dohtem: That's a lot of work just for dinner Oct 27 22:12:51 SineOt: puppy, kitten, and otter pup hugging? Oct 27 22:12:56 a dinner (depends how many leftovers) Oct 27 22:13:07 I think the world would explode at that point Oct 27 22:13:51 just look at these little guys :3 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/11/article-0-0985E710000005DC-950_634x477.jpg Oct 27 22:14:17 you're right, the world would explore Oct 27 22:14:19 explode* Oct 27 22:14:39 I thought you said otter pops Oct 27 22:15:14 hehehe.... railswizard rocks! Oct 27 22:16:59 Looks like some n900 users would like to know how to legally buy pre apps w/o a pre, i wonder if there's a way to help them Oct 27 22:17:17 Palm should really open the market to these guys Oct 27 22:17:37 they should release a Palm app catalog app for the n900! Oct 27 22:17:43 they should shouldn't they Oct 27 22:17:44 oh but then they'd have to support it, gah :) Oct 27 22:17:58 but it means more customers Oct 27 22:18:03 no-brainer Palm! Oct 27 22:18:29 so I'm guessing the App Catalog doesn't work on the n900... Oct 27 22:18:39 I would seriously doubt that Oct 27 22:18:41 it would work Oct 27 22:18:46 screw them. I dont buy a Pre and bitch it wont run iPhone games. Oct 27 22:18:56 rsanchez_: but the apps don't work out of the box Oct 27 22:19:02 apparently enough people did, hence the iPhone ports Oct 27 22:19:07 dohtem: screw palm? damn Oct 27 22:19:17 no the N900 guys Oct 27 22:19:41 dohtem: that's a good way to get them to pirate the apps Oct 27 22:19:47 can't we just combine app stores? Oct 27 22:20:12 how have they been running webOS games so far? were they purchasing them? Oct 27 22:20:19 rsanchez_: that'd be cool! Oct 27 22:20:39 dohtem: some are, some aren't, some would like to and don't know what to do Oct 27 22:20:42 is the n900 the one you use Qt to make apps? Oct 27 22:21:07 dude, they should buy a Pre or Pixi. End of story Oct 27 22:21:12 rsanchez_: Nokia bought Qt. But the apps don't all work out-of-the-box so .. Oct 27 22:21:28 dohtem: some of them are, there are many in the forum thread encouraging that, because "the pre is cheap" Oct 27 22:22:07 Qt can work on Pre, webOS apps can work on n900... Oct 27 22:22:13 only makes sense to combine app stores! Oct 27 22:22:26 damn sometimes drPodder stops my downloaded podcasts while playing and then deletes them. gah Oct 27 22:23:19 rsanchez_: They could in the future, but they'd have to sync up their softwares.. plus n900 doesn't have multitouch nor gesture area Oct 27 22:23:29 (by softwares i mean moreso libraries) Oct 27 22:23:38 and palm doesn't have X11 either Oct 27 22:24:00 but palm can have X11 Oct 27 22:24:19 they could just flag some software as multitouch only Oct 27 22:24:41 and gesture area only Oct 27 22:24:47 I love that multiple people commented on how its not possible for n900 to run WebOS apps, even AFTER the story broke Oct 27 22:25:45 plus this might be a temporary point in time that the stars are aligned Oct 27 22:26:11 Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have had Opera Mobile, Fennec, Skype, etc. a long time ago, but.. Oct 27 22:26:42 really this points to the fact that there's no reason the devs couldn't have recompiled their apps for the other platform Oct 27 22:26:43 the fact the n900 doesn't have multitouch boggles my mind :p Oct 27 22:26:55 SineOt: Android didn't have it for a long time either, iirc Oct 27 22:27:29 I want to know how to recompile Qt apps to work with Qt you get off prewar Oct 27 22:27:35 preware* Oct 27 22:27:37 a lot of them had the hardware for it, but it just wasn't activated in software for various reasons Oct 27 22:27:53 SineOt: ahh.. that makes sense now Oct 27 22:28:37 A few of them shipped in the US with multitouch disabled, but then had it enabled in Europe and Canada, for example. Oct 27 22:28:43 ha Oct 27 22:30:01 The Droid is probably the best example of that, in the US it had the multitouch disabled in software while the Milestone (the same phone, but for Europe and Canada) had it enabled :p Oct 27 22:32:33 did any carriers in the US even pick up the N900? Seems even dumber that a company like Motorola who was considered to be as good as dead before the Droid launch would ship the Milestone with multitouch in Europe, but Nokia... Didn't. Oct 27 22:33:44 hm, good question.. I wonder if we could get libflashplayer.so from webOS 2.0 and throw it on 1.4.5? Oct 27 22:35:13 but steve jobs says we should be moving beyond the era of browser plugins Oct 27 22:35:24 rsanchez_: oh. Sorry take that back then Oct 27 22:35:59 rsanchez_: I was listening to TWiT, and they were mentioning the policies of the new Mac app store -- and also pointing out how many of Apple's app violate those policies. I wonder if they will be banned from the app store.. ;^) Oct 27 22:36:13 i just want webos2.0 so bad Oct 27 22:36:20 well a new phone would be great too Oct 27 22:37:12 they don't need to be in the App Store to begin with, they come bundled from the start :p Oct 27 22:38:21 lol didn't some apple employee have an app in the app store even though it violated apple policy? Oct 27 22:38:21 SineOt: FinalCut Pro comes bundled with? Oct 27 22:39:08 if you think that the Mac App Store is going to be used for 999$ apps, well :I Oct 27 22:39:10 SineOt: Oh you were making a joke I guess, because Apple sells plenty of software titles. (or at least "Pro" versions) Oct 27 22:39:13 I don't really know what to tell you Oct 27 22:39:55 SineOt: Many assume they want to move away from being able to "sideload" apps, like they have on the iPhone Oct 27 22:41:16 you would only buy that useless $999 app to show people you have that kind of money to throw away anyway Oct 27 22:41:33 I see it more as, well, simple really. A second layer where Apple is able to regulate and get a cut for the dumb, little things that a new Mac User might be interested in. Games, a news reader, etc. There's a lot of reasons why I don't think it'd make much sense for them to go so far as to block sideloading apps Oct 27 22:41:36 rsanchez_: FinalCut Pro is useless? Oct 27 22:41:52 because doing that on the iPhone can be done because it's a phone, you aren't going to run stuff like AutoCAD on it Oct 27 22:41:54 lol I meant that useless app as in any generic app costing $999 Oct 27 22:42:02 SineOt: only time will tell.. Oct 27 22:42:05 to me it's more like Oct 27 22:42:11 like that one app a long time ago on the app store that cost $999 but did absolutely nothing Oct 27 22:42:18 There'll be a day when AutoCAD will come to SmartPhones, I'd bet Oct 27 22:42:34 rsanchez_: yeah I figured that's what you were referring to Oct 27 22:42:42 "we've hooked a lot of people that had never used an apple product with iphones and ipods, now we have a way that makes it that much easier for people to move into using an apple computer too" Oct 27 22:42:54 I'm sure apple would LOVE to get a 30% cut of all PhotoShop sales Oct 27 22:43:12 or at least steve jobs Oct 27 22:43:19 who wouldn't love to get that though, realistically? Oct 27 22:43:26 too bad Adobe won't give PhotoShop up Oct 27 22:43:32 and it won't give Flash up either Oct 27 22:43:36 eat it steve jobs! Oct 27 22:43:49 you'd be a pretty dumb business person to -not- want a 30% cut of something lucrative :p Oct 27 22:44:06 SineOt: That's what I'm saying Oct 27 22:44:22 rsanchez_: You did hear that MacOS isn't bundled with Flash anymore right? The writing's on the wall, Adobe! Oct 27 22:44:24 I'm saying that it's not something unique to Apple and the Mac App Store though Oct 27 22:44:59 yeah but webOS will be bundled with Flash, that's gonna help Adobe, isn't it? Oct 27 22:45:03 please... Oct 27 22:45:13 SineOt: But imagine.. if Jobs can control the platform like he has the iPhone.. Oct 27 22:45:47 rsanchez_: I was more meaning.. what if Jobs moves to App store only.. then he can _totally_ block Flash on the Mac. Not installing it by default is one step towards killing it Oct 27 22:45:47 oops, someone killed PreCentral forums. Oct 27 22:45:55 1,2,3 not it! Oct 27 22:46:06 ajay: I wasn't being totally serious Oct 27 22:46:29 jobs is just a bitter old man Oct 27 22:46:35 he was cooler when he was younger Oct 27 22:46:39 and much better looking Oct 27 22:46:52 eh, the flash thing they played off as making sure that people had the latest versions Oct 27 22:47:10 and there've been problems before where the shipping version was out of date and had huge security holes Oct 27 22:47:19 I think it was like 10.5.6 that shipped with that one Oct 27 22:47:32 rsanchez_: no he wasn't cooler Oct 27 22:47:46 SineOt: If only MacOS had some sort of software update mechanism builtin.. Oct 27 22:48:16 ajay: software update has never included third party software, so :p Oct 27 22:48:43 SineOt: sounds like an apple prob to me! Oct 27 22:49:11 If he's really worried about their security he'd offer to update them (the users) Oct 27 22:49:12 windows update doesn't show me flash player updates either! D:> Oct 27 22:49:18 steve jobs is way too dishonest Oct 27 22:49:25 SineOt: I've seen Flash-related updates in Windows update Oct 27 22:49:57 maybe even flash updates themselves.. not sure,I didn't look closely enough before hitting install Oct 27 22:51:22 flash doesn't update itself (which is really stupid but it's adobe) Oct 27 22:51:38 hey rather than me trying to get n900 Opera to work, we should just bug Opera!! Oct 27 22:52:21 I bugged them once at a conference in June.. Opera man was saying something like "it's upto HP.." I was all, "It's upto HP if Opera releases for WebOS?" Oct 27 22:52:22 and it should be Opera Mobile, not Opera Mini Oct 27 22:52:33 tried Opera Mini on a BB Curve once, and the experience was horrible Oct 27 22:52:38 I know what he meant, but .. really. Clearly I didn't affect him enough Oct 27 22:52:48 rsanchez_: I'd like both (looks like maemo has both) Oct 27 22:53:24 I think Mobile is definitely better than Mini Oct 27 22:53:29 what does Mini have that Mobile doesn't? Oct 27 22:53:41 rsanchez_: I didn't understand the diffs until I talked to him, but they have diff advantages Oct 27 22:53:53 Apple for ex allowed the Mini, but not Mobile (iirc) Oct 27 22:54:09 if only I could remember.. ;) Oct 27 22:54:31 Mobile is a full browser, Mini redirects everything through Opera's servers, converts it to basically images, and then sends the image to your phone. I think. Oct 27 22:54:34 the mini isn't technically a web browser is why it was allowed in, I forget what it is.. Oct 27 22:54:36 what does Opera have that the pre browser doesn't? Oct 27 22:54:54 rsanchez_: It's hot Oct 27 22:54:58 a big O icon Oct 27 22:55:03 It doesn't have webkit, but I'd call that more a detriment than a feature. :p Oct 27 22:55:06 besides the server-side compression Oct 27 22:55:22 SineOt: that's why I don't think we need Opera Oct 27 22:55:38 j/k.. I occasionally have trouble with web pages, and want to load them in another browser Oct 27 22:56:04 hm, that's something I'm curious about too. If 2.0 ships with a new version of webKit Oct 27 22:56:32 that's my major push, as I'd prob prefer a a Mojo browser to a (likely) PDK one Oct 27 22:56:40 whatever Opera has that the webOS browser doesn't... there's a patch for that Oct 27 22:57:04 rsanchez_: How pages just go blank when I'm trying to read them? Oct 27 22:57:39 patch it up! Oct 27 22:57:49 rsanchez_: sync to myOpera acct (so I can have the same settings on my desktop) Oct 27 22:57:53 rsanchez_: I'm asking Oct 27 22:58:08 tell me what patch and i'll d/l it now Oct 27 22:58:08 patch it up! Oct 27 22:58:26 lol that was more a call-to-action for you to patch it up Oct 27 22:58:48 and patch it up now I wanted those features yesterday Oct 27 22:58:50 j/k Oct 27 22:58:59 cook my dinner while you're at it Oct 27 23:00:44 blame it on oil Oct 27 23:01:03 riight Oct 27 23:01:06 :( Oct 27 23:01:29 lol Oct 27 23:01:37 howdy oil Oct 27 23:01:48 ooo opera has a virtual keyboard Oct 27 23:01:52 cook it with some oil Oct 27 23:02:03 (yeah I tried the preware one months ago, not so hot!) Oct 27 23:02:11 do not ever drink tequila, whiskey, beer, and rum in one night without eating Oct 27 23:02:18 yeah the preware one is pretty bug Oct 27 23:02:22 needs someone to patch it up! Oct 27 23:02:35 rsanchez_: go rsan go! Oct 27 23:03:08 Really? The preware one is pretty awesome Oct 27 23:03:13 I use it on my Pixi in landscape mode Oct 27 23:03:26 no bueno Oct 27 23:03:32 it was buggy for me Oct 27 23:04:02 later dudes Oct 27 23:04:23 ugh.. i wanna play with my cutter but my junk media wont arrive til tomorrow and i dont really wanna ruin the quality stuff Oct 27 23:04:56 opera has save page, FIND!, it's more customizable, privacy mgmt, kinetic scrolling, predive txt.. Oct 27 23:04:58 gah he left! Oct 27 23:05:03 ok I leave for lunch now/too.. Oct 27 23:05:04 ;^) Oct 27 23:05:18 there is an opera browser for webos? Oct 27 23:05:41 Since Opera runs on the n900 there's no reason not to push Opera to release one for WebOS Oct 27 23:06:09 rsan was asking me what benefits opera would have over the pre's browser, so I pulled up http://www.opera.com/mobile/features/ Oct 27 23:06:10 n900 nokia? Oct 27 23:06:12 I was wondering that lonestar Oct 27 23:06:27 They made it sound as if it was in preware Oct 27 23:07:21 since it was announced earlier today that the N900 can run webOS pdk apps, they have flooded this channel Oct 27 23:07:34 oh i see Oct 27 23:07:39 anyone know if dosbox or mame are avail for the pre? I don't see them in preware, and online seems to say they were done, not a where Oct 27 23:08:10 they are not Oct 27 23:08:21 http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/n900-can-run-unmodified-webos-games-what-can-your-linux-based-p/ - LoneStar99 Oct 27 23:08:43 yes I saw that Oct 27 23:09:14 snes, nes, gba ummm what else Oct 27 23:09:25 scummvm Oct 27 23:09:30 i think thats it? Oct 27 23:09:37 at least that are playable Oct 27 23:09:44 very interesting Oct 27 23:12:38 that the n900 folks can play you mean? there's a good list Oct 27 23:14:34 ?? Oct 27 23:16:02 as a webos fanboy, this enrages me - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=453770463894&set=a.443426443894.229311.108726828894 Oct 27 23:16:42 why? Oct 27 23:16:43 y? Oct 27 23:16:56 Odd thing to get enraged about. Oct 27 23:17:09 iWinRar: you mean which? Here's what the n900 has got working: http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/Game_Compatibility Oct 27 23:17:27 i guess I want my webOS tablet too :( Oct 27 23:17:29 maybe I misunderstood the thread. all the open source stuff they've prob already ported Oct 27 23:17:37 oh, meh Oct 27 23:18:24 Hmm, Opera has an office less than an office from Palm, and even closer to HP, hmm.. Oct 27 23:21:50 Heh there was a thread on how to get Opera Mini on WebOS (via classic) a few days ago Oct 27 23:23:48 ttfn Oct 28 00:17:03 It's quiet... Too quiet..... Oct 28 00:21:36 IT'S A TRAP. Oct 28 00:22:10 WEEEEE!!!!! Oct 28 00:37:08 hmmm Oct 28 00:37:56 dtzWill you think u will be able to get bluetooth controlers to work with snes emu and gba emu with webos 2.0? Oct 28 01:23:15 either someone is board over at hpalm Oct 28 01:23:23 or they're being active on facebook for a reason Oct 28 01:23:25 dumb: uninstalling Firefox prior to installing Chrome :p Oct 28 01:23:34 dawm: link? Oct 28 01:23:39 they've been doing it all day Oct 28 01:23:43 little games and what not Oct 28 01:23:45 heres one Oct 28 01:23:46 http://www.facebook.com/palm/posts/125093830880711 Oct 28 01:24:44 this one is related to 'prototypes' Oct 28 01:24:45 http://www.facebook.com/palm/posts/161630353868116 Oct 28 01:26:29 block of wood Oct 28 01:26:43 under the costume contest Oct 28 01:26:48 someone mentioned cloud hopper Oct 28 01:28:07 that's weird Oct 28 01:28:35 if you could link directly to comments i'd tweet about it to killinit Oct 28 01:28:55 well, rumors are saying that the Pre2 might end up on Verizon as early as the 11th Oct 28 01:35:27 sorry, killinit ? Oct 28 01:37:41 http://twitter.com/#!/KillinItLLC Oct 28 01:37:46 the developer of CloudHopper Oct 28 01:53:24 my poor Pixi touchstone back, peeling apart :c **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 28 02:59:57 2010