**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 28 02:59:57 2010 Oct 28 03:40:19 anyone working on a lacuna expanse client? Oct 28 06:51:30 quiet tonight Oct 28 06:51:57 everyone must have a killer app their working on Oct 28 07:15:05 good morning Oct 28 07:21:05 good morning Oct 28 07:29:33 morning folks Oct 28 07:30:05 interview with apple in the morning, I should really get to bed :D Oct 28 07:30:33 eh? Oct 28 07:38:48 'morning everyone Oct 28 07:39:24 <[AD]Turbo> hi there Oct 28 07:41:19 hi [AD]Turbo Oct 28 07:41:25 morning dkirker Oct 28 07:41:32 hi hotdp Oct 28 12:08:49 any news of new webOS devices? Oct 28 12:09:11 i see the contracts for the foxconn, but any real details? Oct 28 12:39:33 afternoon Oct 28 12:39:46 hey swisstomcat Oct 28 12:39:50 Was waiting for you Oct 28 12:39:55 hi hotdp Oct 28 12:40:00 really? Oct 28 12:40:17 Have some phonegab /jquerymmobile q you might know Oct 28 12:40:54 ready? Oct 28 13:08:57 gues not Oct 28 13:32:09 back Oct 28 13:32:19 skype interview Oct 28 13:32:34 uhh with ? Oct 28 13:32:39 uxebu Oct 28 13:33:25 oki :) Oct 28 13:33:27 ready ? Oct 28 14:04:29 ready or not Oct 28 14:04:43 Have you looked at offline data? Oct 28 14:08:30 Have to go now :( Oct 28 14:09:19 :( Oct 28 14:28:13 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9193538/Oracle_Google_directly_copied_our_Java_code?taxonomyId=17 Oct 28 14:28:25 bad droid Oct 28 14:34:53 Hopefully Big O can get an injunction in sales of android devices so we can get a leg up in the competition. Oct 28 14:35:06 lol Oct 28 14:36:30 We should be running ads like "Does your mobile phone run software that violates copyrights and patents of other companies? Droid Does" Oct 28 15:04:49 hello Oct 28 15:05:26 heya Oct 28 15:36:14 puh Oct 28 15:36:33 just finished an interview over skpe Oct 28 15:36:57 how did it go? Oct 28 15:37:03 again swisstomcat? Oct 28 15:37:07 yeah Oct 28 15:37:13 pretty good i think Oct 28 15:37:16 cool Oct 28 15:37:18 who this time? Oct 28 15:37:25 uxebu Oct 28 15:37:37 did you get my "offline content" message ? Oct 28 15:37:42 no? Oct 28 15:37:55 :s Oct 28 15:38:20 I would like to know if you have used "offline content" on phonegab(jquerymobile) Oct 28 15:38:43 oh wow, saurik is in here :O Oct 28 15:39:24 hotdp: yeah, i have Oct 28 15:39:33 hotdp: lawnchiar.js Oct 28 15:39:40 lawnchair.js Oct 28 15:40:29 oki i have read about that Oct 28 15:40:35 But what about pictures and stuff? Oct 28 15:42:38 hmm? Oct 28 15:42:44 what about them? Oct 28 15:43:42 There are some product information in json Oct 28 15:43:52 i can understand i can save the json object if there is not connectino Oct 28 15:44:01 But there is also a product image Oct 28 15:44:17 And i would also like to show that if there is not connection Oct 28 15:44:21 right Oct 28 15:44:31 store it as base64 Oct 28 15:44:38 encoded object Oct 28 15:50:05 i file? Oct 28 15:50:16 1* Oct 28 15:50:23 oh god the bas64! Oct 28 15:51:22 hotdp: they say it's possible to base64-encode an image and store it in sqlite and use it somehow Oct 28 15:52:10 :/ Oct 28 15:52:16 yeah Oct 28 15:52:46 I was hpoing for something very smart like jquery offline. So "if online fetch content online if not fetch content from "cache" Oct 28 15:52:46 could you store it in a database / or on the usb-partition? Oct 28 15:53:04 so i did not have to code alot Oct 28 15:59:56 there must be something smart Oct 28 16:00:04 * hotdp brb eating Oct 28 16:00:52 hi Oct 28 16:03:05 ohai! Oct 28 16:06:11 konbanwa! Oct 28 16:33:44 swisstomcat or sugardave don't know? Oct 28 16:43:19 waiting for airline confirmation, but I am now booked for NYC Oct 28 16:43:31 wht didn't I know? Oct 28 16:43:45 oh, no, I don't know :D Oct 28 16:44:35 summatusmentis how many % did you get until now? Oct 28 16:44:41 sugardave* Oct 28 16:45:09 got up to 79%, so added another ~$300 of my own Oct 28 16:46:25 I'm staying at some place called the Park South Hotel Oct 28 16:47:11 oh boy Oct 28 16:47:19 oh boy Oct 28 16:47:20 park south is a bad place Oct 28 16:47:45 im joking of course Oct 28 16:50:19 it looks alright :S Oct 28 16:50:20 :D Oct 28 16:51:29 summatusmentis what day are you there? Oct 28 16:51:51 DAMMIT Oct 28 16:51:56 sugardave* Oct 28 16:52:00 It looks good Oct 28 16:55:09 anyone here got a pre plus on sprint? Oct 28 16:55:19 i want ot try to get the level 2 tech to manually enter in the MEID Oct 28 16:55:31 instead of doing a commsboard swap Oct 28 16:58:02 I hope we get a browser upgrade soon Oct 28 16:58:16 http://www.expansys.com/palm-pre-2-205345/ Oct 28 16:59:39 what is expansys? Oct 28 17:00:33 dunno all i see is a EU version (qwerty) of Palm Pre 2 Oct 28 17:00:37 unlocked Oct 28 17:00:38 they are an unlocked retailer Oct 28 17:00:41 famous in europe Oct 28 17:00:42 thats all thats matter for me Oct 28 17:02:00 hi all Oct 28 17:02:14 hi one Oct 28 17:02:39 hey iWinRar Oct 28 17:02:46 sup? Oct 28 17:03:06 found some free time, working on porting iphone app to webOS Oct 28 17:05:06 watcha porting Oct 28 17:05:20 * oilsworkn wonders if sugardave has booked his flight/hotel yet :) Oct 28 17:05:29 http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=306621789&mt=8 Oct 28 17:05:31 oil: he has, just talked about it Oct 28 17:05:47 nice Oct 28 17:05:48 youre huffingtonpost.com? Oct 28 17:05:53 yup Oct 28 17:06:04 cool Oct 28 17:06:06 but that site sucks Oct 28 17:06:20 haha Oct 28 17:06:20 :/ Oct 28 17:06:52 :\ Oct 28 17:07:01 !! Oct 28 17:07:50 keith: some like it and some don't... there are new sections that might interest you Oct 28 17:09:14 swisstomcat i can not quit phonegap simulator :s Oct 28 17:20:22 Any phonegap users here? Oct 28 17:23:37 * oilsworkn is not Oct 28 17:27:24 * CTLAdvance has been thinking of using phonegap Oct 28 17:29:33 I am the new "phone developer go to guy" at work Oct 28 17:29:40 So i have to start using it at work Oct 28 17:34:26 hello friends Oct 28 17:34:40 have any of you had issues with your app seeming to lose data stored in cookies? Oct 28 17:34:54 like, the cookies seem to have been "wiped?" Oct 28 17:35:58 yes Oct 28 17:36:17 I switched to Depot a while back. Oct 28 17:36:22 oilsworkn: yep, waiting for final confirmation from the airlines Oct 28 17:36:37 hotdp: I'm arriving on Friday, but not in time for the pre-conference stuff Oct 28 17:36:59 ya know Oct 28 17:37:08 in time for the partay? Oct 28 17:37:09 I think the issue might be with this: Oct 28 17:37:17 "For example, cookie1 and cookie2 will look the same when trying to retrieve the value. This will be corrected in a future release of webOS." Oct 28 17:37:21 which is in the docs Oct 28 17:37:25 and is… depressing Oct 28 17:37:39 haeffb_pre: yeah, hopefully...I have an email in to see if they're going to shun me if I haven't registered in the morning Oct 28 17:38:00 yes, I think that was my issue as well. moving to Depot eliminated the problem Oct 28 17:38:50 funkatron: I have a depot example on 101 Oct 28 17:39:14 right. I think I was using depot before, but ditched it for speed/non-async Oct 28 17:39:20 * hotdp wonders if oilsworkn have booked his flight Oct 28 17:39:23 startup time is slow enough on Spaz Oct 28 17:39:51 i'll sign you in on Friday morn... Oct 28 17:40:31 oops, shouldn't post that in a logged channel... Oct 28 17:40:40 * halfhalo is going to make oil grab his grab bag stuff for him Oct 28 17:40:53 @palm, ignore that previous msg. Oct 28 17:41:01 Lol Oct 28 17:41:12 if you paste your password here, it shows up as ******* to us Oct 28 17:41:36 You mean hunter2? Oct 28 17:41:43 ;) Oct 28 17:41:45 Hmm... webOS Internals Bobble Head, I think so Oct 28 17:41:46 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ctladvance.bobbleheadtux Oct 28 17:41:47 haeffb_pre: that would be a good plan, but I only registered for Day 2 Oct 28 17:41:47 student1 Oct 28 17:42:07 "You mean *********?" Oct 28 17:42:08 register again... Oct 28 17:43:09 haeffb_pre: ah, no need...just got the okay to "show up" and give my name :D Oct 28 17:44:22 funkatron I had that issue with the cookies as well Oct 28 17:44:30 pain in the *************************************** Oct 28 17:44:31 CTLAdvance: ugh Oct 28 17:44:46 I think it is the prefix issue Oct 28 17:44:50 I havent used cookies since Oct 28 17:45:00 but we'll see Oct 28 17:45:08 Cookies are tasty Oct 28 17:45:10 sugardave are you only there for saturday to sunday? Oct 28 17:45:35 Make sure to get your webOS Internals Bobble, you will be greated with a great song as well Oct 28 17:45:36 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ctladvance.bobbleheadtux Oct 28 17:45:47 not sure why I am pushing it... its free :/ Oct 28 17:45:56 Lol Oct 28 17:46:41 hotdp: I'm getting there on Friday afternoon around 3 pm Oct 28 17:47:37 bbl Oct 28 17:50:01 steve hawkings voice?? lol Oct 28 17:50:15 word.. love it bobble tux Oct 28 17:50:41 ty Oct 28 17:51:18 hehe.. cool. :) Oct 28 17:54:01 would be cool to have that as a boot/logo, with the song as well.. eh :) would kick Oct 28 18:05:04 G' morning Oct 28 18:07:00 murnin Oct 28 18:07:40 what's new?! Oct 28 18:07:54 pie Oct 28 18:08:18 apple, right? ;) Oct 28 18:08:24 cherry Oct 28 18:08:32 ah.. hehe Oct 28 18:23:26 is it possible to have a footer view for the List widget ? Oct 28 18:24:15 rehi Oct 28 18:24:29 rehi swisstomcat Oct 28 18:24:58 rehi hotdp Oct 28 18:29:43 rehi? Oct 28 18:29:58 dohtem: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rehi ? Oct 28 18:30:17 * dohtem feels old Oct 28 18:30:30 footer view? Oct 28 18:31:06 lol Oct 28 18:31:31 Im not sure what to call it, but in iOS the table views can have a header and a footer - these are show even when there are no data in the list Oct 28 18:31:44 I guess its equivalent to html table's header Oct 28 18:33:18 oh, you want the last element of the list styled differently? Oct 28 18:33:33 Hrm, is novacomd known to not work on Linux 2.6.36 hosts? Oct 28 18:33:53 something like that, except the last element isn't part of the data model thats driving the list - Oct 28 18:34:14 hello swisstomcat. I see another tut on tuts+ :) Oct 28 18:34:25 yeah .. last one tho Oct 28 18:34:26 for now Oct 28 18:34:28 Hi there, I'm new owner of Pre Plus and so trying to develop my first simple apps. May I have some newbie questions? Oct 28 18:34:37 in essence I want to show a message that says "Showing xxx items" Oct 28 18:34:40 mercury: what distribution Oct 28 18:34:48 serych: go ahead Oct 28 18:34:49 swisstomcat: Ubuntu 10.10, amd64. Oct 28 18:35:05 mercury: should work .. i'm on 10.04 amd64 Oct 28 18:35:11 what are you seeing? Oct 28 18:35:22 According to the strace, it's looking at the right file off in /dev/bus/usb, but it's not finding the device. Oct 28 18:35:26 infiniteloop: add a final item to the list model before updating the widget Oct 28 18:35:52 mercury: i assume you installed the latest version of novacomd and for amd64? Oct 28 18:36:16 dohtem: thanks, I'll try, plus some formatter will do the trick Oct 28 18:36:18 1.0.56 Oct 28 18:36:19 swisstomcat: I think so, let me verify that a newer version hasn't arrived while I was not looking. Oct 28 18:36:37 sudo dpkg -i --force-architecture palm-novacom_1.0.56_amd64.deb Oct 28 18:36:38 infiniteloop: using css to change its appearance is easy. .last iirc Oct 28 18:36:49 serych: go ahead with your questions Oct 28 18:37:02 dohtem: cool Oct 28 18:38:37 swisstomcat: Yeah, I was on 1.0.51, installing 56 now. Oct 28 18:39:47 I'm trying to catch the event of taping wherever on the scene. How to do It? What is the ID of source of the event in Mojo.Event.listen? I tried to put all the scene contents into
but it seems that Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("some_name"),Mojo.Event.tap .... doesn't work. Oct 28 18:40:06 swisstomcat: novacom -l still returns nothing. Oct 28 18:40:11 swisstomcat: lsusb finds it though. Oct 28 18:40:16 hmm Oct 28 18:40:28 rebooooot Oct 28 18:40:59 Bus 002 Device 011: ID 0830:8002 Palm, Inc. Oct 28 18:41:02 Note, the USBDEVFS_IOCTL ioctl on the Palm device is returning ENOTTY, however I do not know if this is normal or not. (Shows up when I do a strace of novacomd) Oct 28 18:41:14 That's the one, same ID. Oct 28 18:41:38 does novacom -l show the emulator? Oct 28 18:41:48 Let me start the emulator. Oct 28 18:42:28 And.. The SDK seems to be improperly installed, as it can't find the device DVD image. Oct 28 18:42:39 * Mercury is just trying to Doctor another phone, but it's not finding his either. Oct 28 18:42:42 serych: try this FirstAssistant.prototype.onTap = function(event) { Oct 28 18:42:42 Mojo.Log.error("observed tap on: object>"+event.srcElement+" nodename>"+event.srcElement.nodeName+" id>"+event.srcElement.id); Oct 28 18:43:04 mercury: yeah, try reinstalling the sdk Oct 28 18:46:31 ... And the emulator requires virtualbox 3.0.x... Oct 28 18:47:36 um Oct 28 18:48:00 i'm running 3.2.6 Oct 28 18:48:07 I'm on 3.2.10. Oct 28 18:48:16 that should work too i think Oct 28 18:48:20 'Palm webOS Emulator requires a previous version of VirtualBox to be installed. Currently supported versions are 3.0.0 to 3.0.12.' Oct 28 18:48:30 that's odd Oct 28 18:48:31 swisstomcat: Do you have the 2.0 SDK? Oct 28 18:48:41 I'm on the 1.4.5 SDK. Oct 28 18:48:42 if i did i wouldn't be allowed to tell you Oct 28 18:48:59 i have the 1.4.5 sdk Oct 28 18:49:02 * Mercury didn't realize that the _having_ it was covered by the NDA. Oct 28 18:49:08 swisstomcat: This is, odd. Oct 28 18:49:12 yeah Oct 28 18:49:38 did you try palm-install on the command line? Oct 28 18:50:21 serych: did you try event.srcElement? Oct 28 18:50:24 Also doesn't see the phone. Oct 28 18:50:33 I'm really wondering if something's wrong with the kernel I'm running. Oct 28 18:50:34 but works otherwise? Oct 28 18:50:46 Does not find any devices. Oct 28 18:50:49 hmm Oct 28 18:50:57 swisstomcat did you have problems with "make" ? Oct 28 18:50:59 palm-emulator? how far do you get? Oct 28 18:51:07 hotdp: phonegap make? Oct 28 18:51:13 yer Oct 28 18:51:15 nah Oct 28 18:51:16 * Mercury starts the palm-emulator VM in vbox, ignores the palm-emulator command. Oct 28 18:51:24 it does not regonize the command? Oct 28 18:51:29 what problem, hotdp? Oct 28 18:51:32 hmm Oct 28 18:52:07 windows? Oct 28 18:52:21 swisstomcat: Alright, with it up that way, everything sees the emulator just fine. Oct 28 18:52:22 yer Oct 28 18:52:27 But still not the USB attached phone. Oct 28 18:52:32 hotdp: there's your problem ;) Oct 28 18:52:54 mercury: developer mode is enabled on the phone? Oct 28 18:53:19 swisstomcat come on.. Oct 28 18:53:35 that not fair Oct 28 18:53:49 Ah, it was not. But should that be needed to see that the phone exists? Oct 28 18:54:01 * Mercury thought that the doctor was supposed to work without that. Oct 28 18:54:04 * Mercury turns it on. Oct 28 18:54:08 mercury: for palm-install and the tools, yeah Oct 28 18:54:17 not needed for the doctor Oct 28 18:54:37 hotdp: looks like it needs cygwin Oct 28 18:54:42 http://phonegap.pbworks.com/Getting-Started-with-PhoneGap-Palm Oct 28 18:56:28 i have done all it says Oct 28 18:57:27 swisstomcat: Well, things see it now. Doing the other phone, verifying, and then seeing if the Doctor will see it now. Oct 28 18:57:45 mercury: the doctor should see it without the dev mode tho Oct 28 18:59:20 swisstomcat: Yeah, the doctor sees it, but only with dev mode on. Oct 28 18:59:26 strange Oct 28 18:59:29 Very. Oct 28 18:59:38 But at least I'm able to doctor this phone. Oct 28 18:59:41 yeah Oct 28 19:00:36 swisstomcat are you online tomorrow morning? Oct 28 19:00:43 maybe Oct 28 19:00:47 i'll be at work Oct 28 19:00:52 for once :) Oct 28 19:01:02 oki :) if you are you can maybe explain me stuff about the make Oct 28 19:01:22 never tested it on windows so far Oct 28 19:19:56 swisstomcat http://www.expansys.com/palm-pre-2-205345/ <-- seen? Oct 28 19:20:26 oh Oct 28 19:20:47 "This device is supplied network-unlocked" Oct 28 19:20:48 yay Oct 28 19:21:31 infiniteloop: take a look at the "last sync" message in Done or Noted...are you looking to do something like that? Oct 28 19:22:18 let me check Oct 28 19:23:24 * sugardave uses fixed header/footer divs and crams the scroller between them Oct 28 19:24:14 yer unlocked AND EU ready :D Oct 28 19:24:17 qwerty also Oct 28 19:24:18 how do you cram a scroller between div ? Im using the layout from the News app in the webos book - the list widget always scrolls away the header Oct 28 19:24:33 do you use qwertz in your country? Oct 28 19:24:59 yeah Oct 28 19:25:26 Isn't it weird that some companies act like webos does not exist? Amazon already showing kindle on windows 7 Oct 28 19:25:39 infiniteloop: well, I use one fixed position div set to to top, bottom, right, and left 0px....then I use absolute divs for header and footer, and set their top or bottom position where I want it Oct 28 19:25:56 renegaid: maybe amazon was paid to do the app Oct 28 19:25:58 <_azdak> hey yall Oct 28 19:26:05 then, I have a scroller wrapper div that I use with absolute positioning, then finally the scroller inside is set to height 100% Oct 28 19:26:29 thanx sugardave and haeffb_pre - this irc is the most helpful one, beats anything on iphone and android Oct 28 19:26:42 Palm should have considered that if that I the case Oct 28 19:27:16 sugardave is using a custom scroller widget...in place of the default scene scroller Oct 28 19:27:20 infiniteloop: it's because we get cookies Oct 28 19:27:37 infiniteloop: yes, this is my own scrolelr widget not the scene scroller Oct 28 19:27:44 and puppies Oct 28 19:27:57 all the puppies we can eat Oct 28 19:28:06 & cats. Oct 28 19:28:08 er...pet. Oct 28 19:28:14 puppies and cookies yummm.... Oct 28 19:28:20 eat cookies, pet puppies. Oct 28 19:28:21 mmmm caaats.. the other white meat. Oct 28 19:28:25 <_azdak> puppy cookies! Oct 28 19:28:27 <_azdak> delicious Oct 28 19:28:29 haha Oct 28 19:28:54 <_azdak> so here's a really weird error/bug/something I'm doing wrong: Oct 28 19:29:05 come to the dark side, we have cookies.. ;) Oct 28 19:30:08 * infiniteloop will do anything for cookies Oct 28 19:30:37 <_azdak> I've got a scene where you can push a scene from it, do some stuff, and then pop and return to the menu Oct 28 19:30:57 <_azdak> a different option from the original scene swaps a new scene Oct 28 19:31:48 <_azdak> but in-app, if you do menu > push (do some stuff) > pop, then swap, the swap scene's setup() and ready() are called *twice* Oct 28 19:32:02 <_azdak> anybody seen something like this? totally weird Oct 28 19:32:28 <_azdak> it doesn't happen if you just do the swapscene Oct 28 19:34:04 hmmm Oct 28 19:34:10 no, haven't seen that one :D Oct 28 19:35:11 looks like a complicated hip-hop dance move... hehe Oct 28 19:35:16 <_azdak> I found a message on the forums where some people have noticed situations where setup and ready are called twice, but nobody seemed to know why Oct 28 19:35:20 <_azdak> Ha! Oct 28 19:35:34 geek-pop. Oct 28 19:36:47 <_azdak> I just can't really figure out a reason that setup would ever be called twice- so odd Oct 28 19:41:10 the only time I ever saw something like that was when I was doing my scene push after the result of an Ajax request: push a button, make ajax request, response push scene. If you went back and pressed the button again, the scene would get pushed twice, if you went all the way back and pushed the button again, scene is pushed 3 times, etc. Oct 28 19:41:45 and I can't remember exactly how I fixed it, I think I had to destroy the var I had made for the ajax request...or something Oct 28 19:47:52 <_azdak> sugardave- hmmm. well, the pushed scene makes a whole slew of ajax requests, so mebbe I'll try killing the vars on deactivate Oct 28 19:49:03 <_azdak> though the swapscene isn't dependent on the ajax response, so I doubt it'll matter Oct 28 19:49:16 yeah, doesn't sound like that's what is happening to you Oct 28 19:50:01 Hey guys, I have a quick question Oct 28 19:50:28 can you use setupWidget only in the assistant's setup method? Oct 28 19:50:36 or can you use it whenever Oct 28 19:50:39 rsanchez_: anywhere Oct 28 19:51:04 but it makes sense to have it in setup Oct 28 19:51:15 it does but it was giving me problems in setup Oct 28 19:51:21 I'm setting up filterLists Oct 28 19:51:29 and this particular scene has four filter lists Oct 28 19:51:37 it's less buggy if only one is in the scene at a time Oct 28 19:52:29 yeah, the only time I wouldn't put it in setup is if I have to add a widget after the scene was set up Oct 28 19:52:45 so what I'm doing is loading them up dynamically like so: this.controller.get('listHolder').update("
"); this.controller.setupWidget('myFilterList', ) Oct 28 19:53:21 but when I do that, if I later try to do: this.controller.get('myFilterList').mojo.showAddItem(false)j Oct 28 19:53:33 it tells me that mojo is not a property Oct 28 19:53:38 ah Oct 28 19:53:42 you're missing one thing Oct 28 19:53:44 which leads me to believe that setupWidget didn't work Oct 28 19:53:54 oh what's that? Oct 28 19:54:00 after setupWidget on the new widget: this.controller.instantiateChildWidgets(document); Oct 28 19:54:13 oh let me try that Oct 28 19:55:16 I'm not sure what else you can use in place of document...perhaps the parent element id, but I always just use document Oct 28 19:56:10 hmm, document is not working, let's see if parent element id works Oct 28 19:56:21 hmm Oct 28 19:56:28 document should always work Oct 28 19:56:36 try parent element not element id Oct 28 19:57:39 rsanchez_: OH Oct 28 19:57:43 I think you have it backwards Oct 28 19:57:54 setupWidget, then add to DOM, then instantiateChildWidgets Oct 28 19:58:00 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1610 Oct 28 19:58:55 no, using instantiateChildWidgets with the element instead of document is working Oct 28 19:59:10 this.controller.isntantiateChildWidgets(this.controller.get('listHolder')) Oct 28 19:59:30 all good now, thanks a bunch! Oct 28 19:59:33 ah, interesting Oct 28 19:59:34 cool Oct 28 20:00:01 not saying that the other way doesn't work, but would rather keep it as it is Oct 28 20:02:00 yes, this resolves the problem I have here: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9540 Oct 28 20:02:30 progress! Oct 28 20:03:01 I guess filter lists don't like company in a scene Oct 28 20:31:32 hey guys, I have another quick question Oct 28 20:32:04 if I already have an app in the app catalog, and I want to push an update to the catalog, how long does it take from submitting the update to having the update in the app catalog? Oct 28 20:34:34 depends on the update type, but I think a full update is slightly less time than an initial submission Oct 28 20:37:06 2-3 days for the full update (for me usually) Oct 28 20:37:25 so if I submit an update on Friday, could I expect it to be up by Monday? Oct 28 20:38:50 no Oct 28 20:38:56 because they don't work on weekend Oct 28 20:38:57 s Oct 28 20:39:02 2-3 business days Oct 28 20:39:41 ok Oct 28 20:39:42 thanks Oct 28 20:40:32 good night everyone Oct 28 20:40:53 night swisstomcat Oct 28 20:45:52 my last few updates have been 1 business day. or less. Oct 28 20:46:08 hi all! Oct 28 20:46:17 haeffb_pre me2 Oct 28 20:46:20 hi JenP Oct 28 20:46:27 hiya Oct 28 20:49:23 maybe if all the soundboard and ebook apps didn't waste HP's time, app approvals would happen more quickly Oct 28 20:50:03 you would think so, but no Oct 28 20:52:30 i picked up an order i had sent to a walmart store, and the clerk guy was like 'i feel sad that you have that phone' when i pulled out my pre to look up the order info. then i explained that im an app developer and it makes me money, after i stated how much so far his jaw dropped but then he started to go on and on about how many apps are in the droid marketplace. he has a samsung moment.. Oct 28 20:53:13 First off, its wallmart Oct 28 20:53:26 haha Oct 28 20:53:27 second off, you should have hit him upside the head with your pre Oct 28 20:56:45 "i feel sad that you have that phone" - someone really said that? Oct 28 20:57:08 dawm you should have told him you feel sad he has that job Oct 28 20:57:13 lmao Oct 28 20:57:13 oh snap Oct 28 20:57:22 JenP: meow! Oct 28 20:57:48 yeah he said that his pre would overheat all the time and all he would use was facebook Oct 28 20:58:08 i didnt really pay much attention to him :P Oct 28 20:58:22 plus, the moment is no where near highend Oct 28 20:58:28 yeah i know Oct 28 20:59:11 then he started talking about his plan and whatnot and i told him that i got myself back into SERO and he was a little puzzled :P Oct 28 20:59:51 cause he has his weak droid and paying almost double what i do Oct 28 21:00:03 heh Oct 28 21:00:18 dave how much % u at? Oct 28 21:00:22 i havent checked today Oct 28 21:00:32 79%, but I'm all booked already Oct 28 21:00:40 it is official Oct 28 21:00:45 http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-lxdroid-peopleofwalmart-xxjt.aspx Oct 28 21:00:46 hp needs to buy a mobile advertising company, stat Oct 28 21:00:48 your preggers?? Oct 28 21:00:59 halfhalo: you better hope not Oct 28 21:01:09 lol Oct 28 21:03:55 lol that story is funny Oct 28 21:04:08 he actually felt sad for you Oct 28 21:14:52 http://player.microsoftpdc.com/Session/6f853fa2-06f6-45e5-ac25-18c31cc4ba32 Oct 28 21:15:15 is that the 2hr keynote? Oct 28 21:15:22 * dohtem doesnt have silverlight installed Oct 28 21:15:43 * CTLAdvance laughs at anyone who doesnt have silverlight installed, noob Oct 28 21:16:04 * halfhalo doesn't have it installed Oct 28 21:16:06 ON PURPOSE Oct 28 21:16:09 yes, showing some of the native apps for WP7. but I put it in the wrong window Oct 28 21:16:14 * dohtem hifives halfhalo Oct 28 21:16:24 oh snap Oct 28 21:16:27 :) Oct 28 21:16:34 :p Oct 28 21:17:08 wp7 is looking good, I can't lie Oct 28 21:17:19 the other brothas can't deny Oct 28 21:17:30 ok Oct 28 21:17:59 lol Oct 28 21:18:06 when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face. you get sprung! Oct 28 21:18:15 * dohtem breakdances Oct 28 21:18:19 heh Oct 28 21:18:37 lol @ 31:40 Oct 28 21:19:01 God... stupid laptop...making me mad Oct 28 21:19:15 throw it out of a window in a fit of rage! Oct 28 21:19:37 Its a thinkpad, that doesn't work Oct 28 21:19:50 lol, i remember those Oct 28 21:19:59 from like 5 years ago Oct 28 21:20:15 Lenovo still makes em Oct 28 21:20:28 they be awesome Oct 28 21:20:34 Goodo night Oct 28 21:20:48 i had an uncle who worked for ibm so we used to get those thinkpads because of the staff discount he got on them Oct 28 21:21:04 (still have that uncle :P ) Oct 28 21:22:43 I've always wanted an uncle like that Oct 28 21:22:52 I had an uncle who worked for taco bell, always got free tacos Oct 28 21:23:28 lol Oct 28 21:23:51 sometimes you need a taco more than you need a computer Oct 28 21:25:13 tacos can not deliver pornography and cat vids efficiently Oct 28 21:25:33 not yet Oct 28 21:25:41 edible amoled is next Oct 28 21:26:03 i remember all those dialup days Oct 28 21:26:11 that noise is legendary Oct 28 21:26:26 i should so make it my ringtone, it's sure to piss everyone off Oct 28 21:26:33 and after the beeping, "You've got mail!" Oct 28 21:26:41 haha Oct 28 21:26:56 * Loudergood still works for a dialup isp Oct 28 21:27:07 rofl Oct 28 21:27:09 lol Oct 28 21:27:29 I remember how the tones evolved as speeds improved Oct 28 21:27:34 thankfully we moved into the wisp business as well Oct 28 21:28:03 i wasn't allowed to use the internet because we were on prepay :( Oct 28 21:28:29 i used to run a bbs, so i heard that sound all the freaking time ;p Oct 28 21:28:38 still got my USR modem & box Oct 28 21:28:53 remember when your parents got mad when you didnt log off when you were done using the internet Oct 28 21:29:05 meh Oct 28 21:29:12 or how someone would pick up the phone and kick you off. Oct 28 21:29:13 i used to be logged into AOL for days back in the day Oct 28 21:30:30 are they still around btw? Oct 28 21:30:35 I hated how many CD's AOL would deliver through the mail Oct 28 21:30:52 I don't think AOL is an isp anymore, but they are definitely still around Oct 28 21:31:01 they are still a isp i believe Oct 28 21:31:20 but you can use it for free if you have your own provider (TCP/IP connection) Oct 28 21:32:19 I used to use AIM, but none of my friends use it anymor Oct 28 21:32:24 they all moved on facebook Oct 28 21:32:28 i know AIM still is. I sign on and see a part of my life from 6 years ago. Oct 28 21:32:30 I didn't know about the internet as soon a I should have, I spent a lot of time on bbs systems in the 80s Oct 28 21:32:33 that's the last thing I had to do with AOL Oct 28 21:32:42 google chat ftw! Oct 28 21:32:55 messenger ftw! Oct 28 21:34:03 nonono Oct 28 21:34:15 carrier pigeons ftw! Oct 28 21:34:24 morse code Oct 28 21:34:29 \/win Oct 28 21:34:30 I secont carrier pigeons! Oct 28 21:34:52 morning Oct 28 21:34:58 evening Oct 28 21:35:02 * Loudergood needs an acoustic coupler Oct 28 21:35:09 morning Oct 28 21:35:38 hello rwhitby Oct 28 21:35:50 I always wanted to learn how to make my NIC's connection light flash morse code messages Oct 28 21:36:19 strangest article title EVER Oct 28 21:36:20 http://cl.ly/31w8 Oct 28 21:37:21 http://t.co/XngeSpt - dont shake your baby because of Farmville! Oct 28 22:07:46 <_azdak> Ha! figured it out. Oct 28 22:07:57 <_azdak> only took 2 hours haha Oct 28 22:08:28 <_azdak> Hot tip: *don't* define listeners in .activate() Oct 28 22:08:28 <_azdak> hahahaha Oct 28 22:12:15 _azdak: I do it all the time :D you just have to stopListening in deactivate() Oct 28 22:12:45 <_azdak> Bah! that sounds like "logic" Oct 28 22:12:51 heh Oct 28 23:23:55 When I update my main-scene.html file and look at it with the Inspector, nothing changed. What could cause this? Oct 28 23:24:35 I think I found why... Oct 28 23:25:25 I should have known.. Oct 28 23:39:41 Does someone know what kind of event it is an SDL game receives upon multi touch input? The only thing I was able to find in the docs is that event.motion.which will tell me which finger, but I don't know the event type Oct 28 23:40:13 asking here and not in #sdl because this is palm patchwork Oct 28 23:40:26 (apparently at least ...) Oct 28 23:47:02 mh. probably just an SDL_Event Oct 29 00:25:02 So, my WebOS Internals session at DevDay has been extended to a 60min slot. Oct 29 00:25:16 very nice Oct 29 00:25:17 30 extra minutes for people to sleep through. Oct 29 00:25:51 The funny thing is that the guy who is organising the event (and doing a great job) didn't really know anything about homebrew. Oct 29 00:26:16 So when he learnt about patches and overclocking, he was pretty amazed. Oct 29 00:26:22 lol Oct 29 00:26:47 Half of the prep call I just had with him was explaining what homebrew is all about :) Oct 29 00:26:51 I'll be sure not to snore too loudly Oct 29 00:27:40 rwhitby that's _TOO_ funny. Oct 29 00:28:05 rick-home: sounds like there's about 130 or so people registered so far Oct 29 00:28:20 the room I'm in will take 117 max Oct 29 00:28:28 nice! Oct 29 00:28:37 ok, so we have to get there early Oct 29 00:28:38 got it Oct 29 00:28:44 but I will be in Track 2 as an alternative to the Learning webOS sessions. Oct 29 00:29:03 (on the Friday) Oct 29 00:29:08 oh thank ghod. The alternative was heckling in the Learning webOS sessions. Oct 29 00:29:22 now you can hecke in my session. Oct 29 00:29:27 lol Oct 29 00:29:40 * halfhalo will heckle in spirit Oct 29 00:29:41 "He did *not* do that himself. I did that bit!" Oct 29 00:30:33 halfhalo I thought you were going. what happened? Oct 29 00:30:36 Plan on it Rod. "The only reason homebrew is the success it has been is because Rod Whitby is too stubborn to settle for a blackberry." Oct 29 00:30:45 midterms :/ Oct 29 00:31:09 ohhhh Oct 29 00:31:49 We've settled on what langauge we're doing our .net development in from now on. Oct 29 00:32:22 c#? Oct 29 00:32:33 javascript? Oct 29 00:34:36 oil, no rwhitby no. We have been trying to figure out how to deal with subclassing, which javascript really doesn't support well, and we want a dynamicly typed language like Javascript is. and we want flexible parameter passing, where any missing parameters just default to false, instead of having to multiply define. Oct 29 00:34:54 rick-home: python? Oct 29 00:34:59 so, C# out 'cause of all three. Javascript out for 2 and 3... Oct 29 00:35:18 We looked long and hard at ironpython. Oct 29 00:35:26 ruby? Oct 29 00:35:36 visual basic? Oct 29 00:35:38 naaaa.. I like ruby but I can't convince anyone else in the company. Oct 29 00:35:42 Boo. Oct 29 00:35:50 fortran? Oct 29 00:35:58 rubyrubyruby! Oct 29 00:36:09 asm? Oct 29 00:36:09 http://boo.codehaus.org/ Oct 29 00:37:08 hi all Oct 29 00:37:36 hey, is anybody a successful CEO? Oct 29 00:37:56 halfhalo I would have gone with Ruby, really I would, but no one else on the team would go there. Python came real close Oct 29 00:38:07 php? Oct 29 00:38:09 define successful? -- you have at least two here, sort of. Oct 29 00:38:17 no oil, BOO. http://boo.codehaus.org/ Oct 29 00:38:21 oh Oct 29 00:38:28 i didn't realize the guessing portion was over :) Oct 29 00:38:41 lol Oct 29 00:38:46 rick-home, have sold a multi million dollar company Oct 29 00:38:51 hehehehe. Oct 29 00:39:12 Nyceane that's a pretty rigid definition of successful. The answer to that would be "no." Oct 29 00:39:23 =-| Oct 29 00:39:30 I need a CEO for my start up Oct 29 00:39:37 already have product built Oct 29 00:39:39 * halfhalo can fake it Oct 29 00:39:48 can't fake it in front of VCs -_- Oct 29 00:39:56 the hell I can't! Oct 29 00:40:19 Thats what bricks are for! Oct 29 00:40:40 :p Oct 29 00:42:49 Ahhhh... you have a working prototype Nyceane ? Oct 29 00:42:56 rick-home, yes Oct 29 00:43:19 rick-home, we have entire business plan out too, just need somebody to point us to the right directions Oct 29 00:48:49 Nyceane I would look at incubators at this point not VC's. Oct 29 00:49:23 You don't need to bring on a fancy ceo for a non-existant company, you need to take your working prototype to an incubator and let them help you bring it to market... Oct 29 00:49:48 Something like the Y Combinator folks. -- there are of course, many others, but they have the best track record I know of. Oct 29 00:50:14 Y Combinator gives you 18000 bucks and trying to claim 8% of the company Oct 29 00:50:16 that is freaking a lot Oct 29 00:50:31 I can get $18,000 consulting for 2 month... Oct 29 00:50:33 or less Oct 29 00:50:48 I dont want to give out that much equity for $18,000... Oct 29 00:50:53 hi all, Im generating Button widgets on the fly and sticking it into a horizontal Scroller widget. However listening to Mojo.Event.tap isn't working - http://snipt.org/lpgkh/Default/ Oct 29 00:51:42 Sure you can. But you can't get THEIR level of consulting for that, and you sure as hell can't get the level of CEO you're talking about for that. 8% is nothing if you succeed, and nothing if you fail. Oct 29 00:52:20 There are other incubators of course, but not with the kind of track record YC has. The issue is, nothing succeeds like success. Oct 29 00:53:13 my first 2 decals (personal use) http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs024.snc4/33561_1598988768480_1048858191_1736391_4156774_n.jpg Oct 29 00:53:26 Anyway, advice is what you pay for it, mine is free. Oct 29 00:54:45 rick-home, someone is already incubating me Oct 29 00:55:02 well then, good luck. Oct 29 00:55:07 I am moving to SF, and I get a full salary =) Oct 29 00:55:38 with YC I dont know if I can live for that little money... but I guess it's worth a shot Oct 29 00:55:50 hopefully, that person has connections in the business community to get you the folks you need. You're unlikely to do it on random IRC channels. Oct 29 00:56:16 you never know, some people might be just bored out of their mind after selling their start up Oct 29 00:56:35 people like that don't get bored, they have sixteen other ideas. Oct 29 00:57:08 after i sell my first start up Oct 29 00:57:29 i'll get bored for half year, cuz I won't want to use my brain at all Oct 29 00:58:02 rick-home: current talk outline: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DevDayNYC Oct 29 01:00:25 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/res/2024031306.html Oct 29 01:00:27 interesting =) Oct 29 01:01:17 rwhitby: nice Oct 29 01:13:50 ello there people of the sea Oct 29 01:14:32 eye are sea? Oct 29 01:16:36 eye Oct 29 01:19:51 * Tibfib is annoyed by ndas Oct 29 01:22:34 what's the best way to "return" a value when you can't use return itself? callbackfunc? Oct 29 01:22:47 hmm Oct 29 01:23:14 which language? Oct 29 01:23:25 javascript Oct 29 01:23:48 why can't you return a value? Oct 29 01:24:08 well basically, it's a function in a function, and it returns hte first level, but I don't know how to return it in the next level Oct 29 01:24:26 sounds messy Oct 29 01:24:29 that's all I have to contribute Oct 29 01:25:16 yeah. It might be an easy problem to solve, but I can't describe it well with the nda Oct 29 01:25:39 and I'm too impatient to use hte forums, and most likely it won't get answered there anyway Oct 29 01:31:04 * Tibfib doens't want to nest callbackfunctions. Oct 29 01:34:37 * Tibfib wishes he could spell. Oct 29 01:35:05 call back functions... Oct 29 01:48:05 http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kin_wp7_surl&docId=1000623751 Oct 29 01:48:13 almost like webos doesn't exist Oct 29 02:02:09 aren't their ebooks in a proprietary format? Oct 29 02:02:31 that or can't be parsed and/or displayed correctly with js Oct 29 02:02:41 maybe they will do a hybrid Oct 29 02:05:43 so the problem is webos then Oct 29 02:17:15 I have a weird bug, it seems like my List cannot have more than 20 items Oct 29 02:17:43 g'night folks, thanks for all your help , the app is looking good. Oct 29 02:18:48 I create an array and set my list model with set WidgetModel. Is that anything wrong with that? Oct 29 02:38:25 Spanska you need to set the limit on your list Oct 29 02:41:33 I'll have to look into that Oct 29 02:46:42 CTLAdvance|2: can I change attributes after the widget is created? Is there a function to do that? Oct 29 02:49:03 Deihmos -- preader can read and display kindle formatted files on the pre, but does not have the ability to buy from the kindle store. Oct 29 02:50:42 how is that possible when kindle books have drm Oct 29 02:55:19 Spanska: you cannot change attributes after its setup, only the model Oct 29 02:58:12 oil: except on textfields, where the hinttext can be changed. Oct 29 02:59:07 CTLAdvance|2: thanks for your advice, increasing renderLimit fixed my issue :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 29 02:59:57 2010