**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 31 02:59:58 2010
Oct 31 04:39:35 <Tibfib> dang. tweetjar is amazing
Oct 31 04:39:41 * Tibfib goes to bed.
Oct 31 04:39:42 <Tibfib> night all
Oct 31 04:47:30 <dkirker> 'night Tibfib
Oct 31 04:53:53 <JenP> hi all
Oct 31 04:55:21 <dkirker> hi JenP
Oct 31 04:55:41 <JenP> hiya dkirker. hows it going?
Oct 31 04:55:50 <Bmyers> shes baaack
Oct 31 04:56:02 <dkirker> Not bad. Not bad at all. Trying to do some late night coding. :)
Oct 31 04:56:13 <JenP> hey Bmyers
Oct 31 04:56:31 <Bmyers> hi JenP
Oct 31 04:56:37 <JenP> you're up late
Oct 31 04:57:10 <Bmyers> SNL rianna
Oct 31 04:57:19 <JenP> lol
Oct 31 04:57:35 <Bmyers> great show
Oct 31 04:57:52 <Bmyers> i think she is reading the phone book next. gonna start the dvr
Oct 31 04:58:01 <JenP> lol
Oct 31 04:58:34 <Bmyers> u get haeffb  all set with autocomplete
Oct 31 04:58:35 <Bmyers> ?
Oct 31 04:58:49 <JenP> lol yeah...uh...NO
Oct 31 05:01:25 <haeffb> "oh, I gotta brand new pair of roller skates..."
Oct 31 05:01:45 <JenP> hi haeffb
Oct 31 05:02:01 <Bmyers> roller skates is a code word for?
Oct 31 05:02:07 <haeffb> 'sup JenP ?
Oct 31 05:02:31 <haeffb> first, it's two words. second, it's not code for anything.
Oct 31 05:02:33 <JenP> not much trying to get motivated and code some
Oct 31 05:02:51 * haeffb did more coding today than I have in months. and that wasn't much.
Oct 31 05:02:59 <JenP> lol
Oct 31 05:06:08 <Bmyers> candygram
Oct 31 06:29:53 <rinku_kokiri> hei, anyone running a pixi?
Oct 31 08:46:03 <LoneStar99> i can break alot of code, but here not sure I can ever
Oct 31 09:12:36 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp
Oct 31 09:13:15 <hotdp> morning LoneStar99 :)
Oct 31 09:15:45 <LoneStar99> morning
Oct 31 09:16:08 <LoneStar99> i can't break this social code
Oct 31 09:17:31 <LoneStar99> ot maybe i do not care to break it
Oct 31 09:18:13 <hotdp> social code?
Oct 31 09:18:18 <hotdp> are you drinking again :D
Oct 31 09:22:25 <LoneStar99> i meet alot folks. and can break people code
Oct 31 09:22:52 <hotdp> I think you could breake mine :D
Oct 31 09:23:14 <LoneStar99> not really
Oct 31 09:25:22 <LoneStar99> it is just magic
Oct 31 09:25:52 <LoneStar99> but magic only works someimes
Oct 31 12:26:31 <jettero> I'm trying to find the assistant for another card... I'm trying things like Mojo.Controller.StageController.parentSceneAssistant(this) and Mojo.Controller.stageController.getAppController().getStageController(SceneName) but I'm getting a lotta undef...
Oct 31 12:26:54 <jettero> I suppose I could just make a global variable to store it in, but I'd rather figure out how to find it the right way...
Oct 31 12:43:17 <jettero> this seems to work, still wish I could find one by name though: Mojo.Controller.stageController.topScene();
Oct 31 15:13:49 <haeffb> New version of Noted! beta on PreCentral.
Oct 31 15:40:17 <haeffb> and source is available on github
Oct 31 15:40:25 <hotdp> roge
Oct 31 16:41:35 <JenP> hi all
Oct 31 16:41:45 <infiniteloop> hi JenP
Oct 31 16:42:17 <JenP> morning
Oct 31 16:48:41 <sugardave> good morning
Oct 31 16:49:05 <JenP> morning sugardave! happy halloween
Oct 31 16:49:28 <sugardave> happy halloween :D
Oct 31 17:07:00 <haeffb> spoooky in here
Oct 31 17:11:29 <hotdp> rSILIBCE
Oct 31 17:12:03 <solix> boo!
Oct 31 18:44:25 <tsheeeep> Hey I would like to have a calendar in my app and have seen other apps use the same ui. Is there a simple way to integrate it? I don't want to use the actual calendar app because the information is not really something that should go there
Oct 31 18:47:51 <solix> goosefraba..
Oct 31 18:59:08 <JenP> hi all
Oct 31 18:59:39 <versp> :)
Oct 31 19:01:50 <versp> haha "Halloween - The only day of the year when Paedophiles get free home delivery"
Oct 31 19:04:10 <solix> ick
Oct 31 19:05:16 <solix> I send my kids a trickertreat packing a 357.. lol
Oct 31 19:06:19 <versp> lol
Oct 31 19:06:28 <versp> didn't go along with them?
Oct 31 19:09:02 <solix> lol.. hell no, I never taught them how to aim.. hehehe ;)
Oct 31 19:10:02 <versp> haha
Oct 31 19:14:12 <nyceane> ello
Oct 31 19:14:14 <nyceane> =)
Oct 31 19:14:26 <nyceane> anybody got their laptop yet?
Oct 31 19:14:46 <hotdp> laptop?
Oct 31 19:16:45 <kesne> Hey all
Oct 31 19:16:54 <kesne> halfhalo: You around?
Oct 31 19:17:04 <hotdp> hey kesne
Oct 31 19:17:09 <kesne> Hey hotdp.
Oct 31 19:17:18 <kesne> hotdp: Who are you? Have we talked before?
Oct 31 19:17:39 <hotdp> hehe i don't remember ;)
Oct 31 19:17:49 <hotdp> mayeb
Oct 31 19:17:52 <hotdp> maybe*
Oct 31 19:17:54 <nyceane> HP Envy 17
Oct 31 19:18:00 <hotdp> i see
Oct 31 19:18:10 <kesne> I love the HP Envys
Oct 31 19:18:13 <kesne> LoneStar99!
Oct 31 19:19:18 <hotdp> evning LoneStar99, are you still drunk ? :)
Oct 31 19:19:24 <hotdp> nyceane for free?
Oct 31 19:19:35 <nyceane> yah, pdk app
Oct 31 19:19:53 <hotdp> woot if you made a pdk you got a laptop?
Oct 31 19:20:18 <nyceane> yah, the pdk hot apps
Oct 31 19:20:34 <hotdp> ahh i remember now :)
Oct 31 19:20:36 <nyceane> i m waiting for that laptop to play Civ 5 -_-
Oct 31 19:22:05 <kesne> Anybody here use APE?
Oct 31 19:22:18 * oil plays civ5 on his pc
Oct 31 19:22:45 <JenP> kesne!
Oct 31 19:22:50 <kesne> yes?
Oct 31 19:23:07 <JenP> hi
Oct 31 19:23:11 <halfhalo> whowhatnow
Oct 31 19:23:11 <kesne> hello!
Oct 31 19:23:15 <JenP> lol
Oct 31 19:23:17 <kesne> halfhalo!
Oct 31 19:23:19 * halfhalo plays civ5 on his BRAIN
Oct 31 19:23:34 * halfhalo gets low fps that way though
Oct 31 19:24:06 <JenP> did you see the pics of the tasty toon girls in costume?
Oct 31 19:25:14 <kesne> link?
Oct 31 19:25:21 <kesne> This is relevent to my interests.
Oct 31 19:25:32 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/0b58a2af-dbf1-46a8-a3a3-03763ca635be
Oct 31 19:25:40 <JenP> http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/6b34c761-58ba-4230-b4a5-249ca374afb0
Oct 31 19:26:37 <JenP> goto sinacism graphics on facebook I think he's got pics of the girls w/o weather
Oct 31 19:28:14 <LoneStar99> hotdp: not drunk now, but having a few beers to diffuse the hangover
Oct 31 19:28:26 <kesne> LoneStar99: you're an alcoholic
Oct 31 19:28:48 <LoneStar99> neah, I am a party animal
Oct 31 19:29:00 <hotdp> LoneStar99 that IS the only cure ;)
Oct 31 19:29:09 <kesne> Based on my Psych class, you are.
Oct 31 19:29:17 <LoneStar99> kesne: how u doing
Oct 31 19:29:21 <hotdp> L$("Good night")
Oct 31 19:30:17 <LoneStar99> kesne: the only way to determine anything is to live the life, then u can determine your situation
Oct 31 19:31:30 <kesne> I'm doing okay
Oct 31 19:31:34 <kesne> Just shut down KSo
Oct 31 19:31:40 <oil> lol
Oct 31 19:31:46 <kesne> Tibfib: ping
Oct 31 19:31:48 <kesne> oil: What?
Oct 31 19:32:32 * halfhalo slaps oil with an extremely large trout
Oct 31 19:33:34 <halfhalo> :p
Oct 31 19:36:38 <LoneStar99> be back later need to restart this freaking computer
Oct 31 19:38:01 <thomaschaaf> I am still looking for a way to have the month view from the calendar in my app
Oct 31 19:38:09 <thomaschaaf> and thought on how I could do that?
Oct 31 19:39:48 <kesne> look at the calendar app code, cross-app scene push
Oct 31 19:41:12 <thomaschaaf> kesne: this would probably be bad with copyright no?
Oct 31 19:41:23 <kesne> It'd be fine with that
Oct 31 19:41:25 <versp> http://whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/
Oct 31 19:50:42 <Tibfib> kesne: pong
Oct 31 19:50:56 <kesne> Tibfib: I hear you're doing stuff with APE?
Oct 31 19:51:04 <iWinRar> what are you making for dinner versp
Oct 31 19:51:05 <Tibfib> kesne: not yet, but going to
Oct 31 19:51:12 <kesne> hmm
Oct 31 19:51:16 <kesne> Have you started?
Oct 31 19:51:17 <Tibfib> I don't have it set up on my server yet...
Oct 31 19:51:22 <versp> erm, i don't think anything
Oct 31 19:51:31 <versp> i'm a big fan of some plain bread tbh
Oct 31 19:51:37 <kesne> Oh okay
Oct 31 19:51:58 <kesne> Done any on-device work though?
Oct 31 19:52:21 <kesne> A wrapper?
Oct 31 19:52:25 <kesne> That'd be swell xD
Oct 31 19:52:26 <Tibfib> nope, was going to get server up and running
Oct 31 19:52:51 <kesne> Alright
Oct 31 19:52:56 <kesne> Well I'm doing the same
Oct 31 19:52:57 <kesne> heh
Oct 31 19:53:05 <Tibfib> whatcha making?
Oct 31 19:53:11 <kesne> Villo
Oct 31 19:53:25 <Tibfib> and that is?
Oct 31 19:53:59 <kesne> KSO + Push + Open Source + JS Framework + User Profiles + Public + other stuff = Villo
Oct 31 19:54:27 <Tibfib> oh, that's what I thought...
Oct 31 19:54:29 <Tibfib> :P
Oct 31 19:54:34 <kesne> It's pretty magical
Oct 31 19:54:46 <Tibfib> using wordpress acounts still?
Oct 31 19:54:50 <kesne> Maybe
Oct 31 19:54:54 <kesne> Maybe not
Oct 31 19:54:59 <kesne> Havent decided
Oct 31 19:55:06 <kesne> If I do or don't isn't a huge deal
Oct 31 19:55:28 <Tibfib> well you'll have to migrate your old accounts
Oct 31 19:55:36 <Tibfib> or will it not be backwards compatible?
Oct 31 19:55:45 <kesne> It'll be backwards compatible
Oct 31 19:56:10 <kesne> If I do make a new account system, I'll keep the same data structure
Oct 31 19:57:54 <kesne> based on what I have done/planned, it's good stuff
Oct 31 19:59:23 <kesne> The webOS framework is nice too, villo.js, let's you throw that in and quickly do whatever you want.
Oct 31 19:59:36 <kesne> Cross-App messages, data, etc.
Oct 31 20:04:26 <LoneStar99> back damn emulator was going back it in time 3 minutes to shutdown then 5 then 10 then 16 weird
Oct 31 20:05:41 <Tibfib> kesne: do you use metrix?
Oct 31 20:05:54 <kesne> Right now yet
Oct 31 20:06:07 <Tibfib> ?
Oct 31 20:06:12 <kesne> Moving to an independent tracker soon though, just because of more flexibility.
Oct 31 20:06:14 <kesne> *yes
Oct 31 20:06:23 <Tibfib> oh, gotcha
Oct 31 20:06:31 <Tibfib> I think I'm going to try it out
Oct 31 20:06:36 <Tibfib> the async wrappers are nice
Oct 31 20:06:47 <Tibfib> although unrelated to metrix...lol
Oct 31 20:07:04 <LoneStar99> did the time change in the US?
Oct 31 20:07:37 <oil> LoneStar99: the time in the US changes every second
Oct 31 20:07:55 <Tibfib> lol
Oct 31 20:08:30 <LoneStar99> lol
Oct 31 20:08:44 <oil> i assume its the same everywhere :)
Oct 31 20:08:51 <LoneStar99> i mean like daylight savings time
Oct 31 20:09:25 <Tibfib> I don't think so
Oct 31 20:09:47 * Tibfib might have time-traveled,
Oct 31 20:09:48 <Tibfib>  not
Oct 31 20:09:49 <oil> next sunday
Oct 31 20:10:03 <Tibfib> not sure*
Oct 31 20:10:10 <oil> first sunday in november
Oct 31 20:10:34 <LoneStar99> oh ok
Oct 31 20:11:23 <LoneStar99> is there a world series game tonight?
Oct 31 20:11:24 * Tibfib thinks someone should bash.org that
Oct 31 20:12:19 <JenP> to disable a button do i need to do a this.controller.modelChanged?
Oct 31 20:12:27 <Tibfib> I think so
Oct 31 20:12:39 <Tibfib> I don't think there is a method
Oct 31 20:14:40 <LoneStar99> 8et game 4
Oct 31 20:14:46 <LoneStar99> est
Oct 31 21:00:24 <dohtem`> g'day mates!
Oct 31 21:04:17 <thomaschaaf> I have a list and want to add the following: Integerpicker Days until bla.. now the stupid list item makes the label not be vertically centered but at the bottom
Oct 31 21:11:26 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-10-31_2205.png this is retarded..
Oct 31 21:11:45 <dawm_> lol
Oct 31 21:12:48 <thomaschaaf> http://pastie.org/1262705
Oct 31 21:12:50 <thomaschaaf> the code :(
Oct 31 21:14:18 <thomaschaaf> would someone be so kind and help me with this styling problem?
Oct 31 21:30:02 * oil looks at screenshot, wonders what the app title is since its got arrows hiding it
Oct 31 21:31:42 <haeffb> add a <div class=label> wrapping the integer picker div?
Oct 31 21:32:03 <oil> integer pickers never play nice like the other widgets
Oct 31 21:32:14 * oil steers clear of them for that reason
Oct 31 21:32:53 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-10-31_2227.png amazing
Oct 31 21:33:05 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:33:08 <haeffb> much better!
Oct 31 21:33:34 <JenP> haeffb: what' the right way to disable a button when calling it from a .js outside your main assistant?
Oct 31 21:33:38 * haeffb looked at my app and it does the same thing. So apparently I never figured it out.
Oct 31 21:34:04 <JenP> this.BtnModel.disabled = false; returns undefined.
Oct 31 21:34:13 <haeffb> is the button in the active scene?
Oct 31 21:34:21 <JenP> yes
Oct 31 21:34:34 <JenP> do i need to do a property change or something?
Oct 31 21:34:41 <Tibfib> Mojo.Controller.getActiveStageController().activeScene().BtnModel.disabled
Oct 31 21:34:43 <haeffb> yes...I think so.
Oct 31 21:34:57 <oil> wow
Oct 31 21:35:01 <Tibfib> something close to that...
Oct 31 21:35:18 * oil usually simply passes his assistant to where its needed
Oct 31 21:35:19 <JenP> thanks Tibfib. i'll investigate
Oct 31 21:35:25 <Tibfib> it is probably different if you have a multi-stage app
Oct 31 21:35:34 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-10-31_2230.png I guess this is sort of good I added a div with title around it
Oct 31 21:35:34 <JenP> not multistaged
Oct 31 21:35:59 <thomaschaaf> not you know what I am working on ;)
Oct 31 21:36:02 <Tibfib> JenP: cool, it might be getStageController() then
Oct 31 21:36:02 <thomaschaaf> now
Oct 31 21:36:04 <haeffb> JenP: the best way would be to pass a callback from your scene assistant to whichever function in your other .js needs to disable the button
Oct 31 21:36:21 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:36:29 <Tibfib> The easiest thing would be to make a scene assistant function
Oct 31 21:36:34 <Tibfib> then call that function
Oct 31 21:36:35 <thomaschaaf> oil: what nice birthday presents I give :D
Oct 31 21:36:42 <oil> haha
Oct 31 21:36:55 <Tibfib> Mojo.Controller.getStageController().delegateToSceneAssistant("funcitonName")
Oct 31 21:36:59 <thomaschaaf> got my gf the phone and told her she gets one app..
Oct 31 21:37:01 <Tibfib> @ JenP
Oct 31 21:37:12 <JenP> thanks Tibfib I'll try it
Oct 31 21:37:34 <haeffb> but don't misspell functionName
Oct 31 21:37:39 <Tibfib> JenP: the controller docs have lots of good stuff
Oct 31 21:37:57 <JenP> i was looking thru them
Oct 31 21:38:03 <Tibfib> haeffb: yes, very important
Oct 31 21:39:12 <Tibfib> JenP: yeah, just saying there are nice things that can be used in .js files
Oct 31 21:39:16 <Tibfib> outside .js files
Oct 31 21:40:00 <JenP> um...kk?
Oct 31 21:40:11 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:40:28 <Tibfib> heh
Oct 31 21:41:00 * Tibfib bbiab
Oct 31 21:43:25 <JenP> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAV_1jBJB4&feature=player_embedded
Oct 31 21:43:38 <JenP> hopefully the neighbors liked michael jackson
Oct 31 21:44:43 <oil> i doubt it was blasting all night, lol, probably one of those radiotuner things for cars driving by
Oct 31 21:45:13 <JenP> lol my sister went to it...said it was fun
Oct 31 21:45:18 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:45:34 <oil> id hate to see their electricity bill
Oct 31 21:45:35 <JenP> to quote her "people get bored in riverside"
Oct 31 21:45:38 <JenP> nk!
Oct 31 21:46:06 <dohtem> heh.. their thriller lights come on and the whole neighborhood has a brownout
Oct 31 21:46:26 <JenP> lol
Oct 31 21:47:01 <JenP> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARwl8qWoGrQ&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=3UFsZngcLi8
Oct 31 21:47:12 <JenP> apparently something they do often LOL
Oct 31 21:50:17 <dohtem> thomaschaaf: is this an app to tell women when they are ovulating?
Oct 31 21:51:48 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:52:05 <thomaschaaf> dohtem: it tells them when their period is the ovulation was just because I can calculate that too
Oct 31 21:52:29 <thomaschaaf> you just say when you have it and it calculates the avarage time between them
Oct 31 21:52:33 <thomaschaaf> and then show it in a calendar
Oct 31 21:52:37 <dohtem> ah
Oct 31 21:52:46 <thomaschaaf> or notifies them..
Oct 31 21:52:57 <thomaschaaf> it's her present so she got to decide :D
Oct 31 21:53:02 <oil> then thomaschaaf sets it up to alert him
Oct 31 21:53:13 <JenP> LOL
Oct 31 21:53:18 <dohtem> and notify coworkers that so-and-so might be a pain in the as from the 12th to the 17th next month
Oct 31 21:53:18 <oil> hes on his way home and its like "don't forget to get some chocholate!"
Oct 31 21:53:33 <JenP> send's emergency text messages...
Oct 31 21:53:37 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:53:37 <thomaschaaf> yes.. I was thinking of a counterpart for guys as in.. well goo fucking have sex because biologically she wants you
Oct 31 21:53:49 <dohtem> heh
Oct 31 21:53:54 <oil> haha
Oct 31 21:53:57 <JenP> with adverts for condoms
Oct 31 21:54:02 <dohtem> lol
Oct 31 21:54:30 <thomaschaaf> JensP
Oct 31 21:54:33 <thomaschaaf> yes wait: :D
Oct 31 21:55:08 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-10-31_2250.png
Oct 31 21:55:13 <thomaschaaf> that was already in there :D
Oct 31 21:55:22 <dohtem> lol
Oct 31 21:55:30 <JenP> LOL
Oct 31 21:55:33 <dohtem> catholics frown upon condoms
Oct 31 21:55:41 <oil> for whatever reason
Oct 31 21:55:42 <dohtem> it ruins the sensation or something
Oct 31 21:56:09 <oil> clearly the bible states "thou shall not..."
Oct 31 21:56:10 <oil> lol
Oct 31 21:56:14 <dohtem> btw, this is a good use for dropbox.  Sharing screens.
Oct 31 21:56:23 * dohtem will try it next time
Oct 31 21:56:53 <thomaschaaf> + jing
Oct 31 21:56:56 <thomaschaaf> it's amazing!
Oct 31 21:56:59 <dohtem> jing?
Oct 31 21:57:04 <thomaschaaf> yea jing
Oct 31 21:57:11 <JenP> i love jing
Oct 31 21:57:34 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-10-31_2252.swf you can show everything
Oct 31 21:57:37 <thomaschaaf> send the link
Oct 31 21:57:41 <thomaschaaf> and it uploads in the background
Oct 31 21:58:26 <thomaschaaf> I have the shortcut ctrl+shift+1 setup for screen capture and then it lets me either make avideo or take a picture of the selected area
Oct 31 21:58:45 <thomaschaaf> and now the file is uploaded
Oct 31 21:58:56 <JenP> techsmith does such a great job with all their products
Oct 31 21:59:00 <dohtem> how do you take shots of the emulator? I do it the hard way (shot of the whole desktop, then edit in ps)
Oct 31 21:59:02 <thomaschaaf> and since I have 50 GB I can later look at that again..
Oct 31 21:59:15 <thomaschaaf> try jing ;)
Oct 31 21:59:24 <thomaschaaf> http://www.techsmith.com/jing/
Oct 31 21:59:26 <dohtem> k :)
Oct 31 21:59:28 <JenP> and jings really not that expensive
Oct 31 21:59:44 <thomaschaaf> I use the free version..
Oct 31 22:00:30 * oil used to use it
Oct 31 22:00:34 <dohtem> thomaschaaf; have your app turn scarlet red on "those days"
Oct 31 22:00:36 <oil> but really, it was updating like every month
Oct 31 22:00:41 <oil> and getting all sorts of emails from them
Oct 31 22:00:47 * oil is back to printscreen + mspaint now
Oct 31 22:00:59 * dohtem hifives oil
Oct 31 22:01:05 <thomaschaaf> not any more
Oct 31 22:01:05 <dohtem> old school like me
Oct 31 22:01:15 <thomaschaaf> they made the update process better :)
Oct 31 22:02:08 <oil> its just an app that does exactly what shift+printscreen does
Oct 31 22:02:21 <dohtem> and uploads automagically
Oct 31 22:02:23 <oil> my boss had it installed and like the default was f5
Oct 31 22:02:37 <dohtem> that's a bad default
Oct 31 22:02:40 <oil> so i would try to refresh the browser and jing was all "oh, you need me to screenshot this?"
Oct 31 22:02:45 <dohtem> lol
Oct 31 22:02:52 <oil> and im like, no jing, gtfo!
Oct 31 22:03:06 <thomaschaaf> I don't use the f5 functions way to much work to move hands.. ctrl +r is nicer
Oct 31 22:03:32 <dohtem> thats still refresh in most browsers
Oct 31 22:03:35 <thomaschaaf> and actually the default is "print"
Oct 31 22:03:50 <thomaschaaf> dohtem: I mean the hand position
Oct 31 22:03:57 <thomaschaaf> for f5 I have to actually pick up the hand
Oct 31 22:04:18 <thomaschaaf> there is no way for me to reach it without leaving my usual writing position
Oct 31 22:04:34 <oil> s/writing/typing/
Oct 31 22:04:46 * oil has no usual typing position
Oct 31 22:04:51 <oil> lol, i dont use "home-row"
Oct 31 22:05:23 <oil> probably because i taught myself how to type before anyone else tried to teach me
Oct 31 22:05:28 <oil> so i was screwed from the start
Oct 31 22:06:11 <oil> ok, time for food
Oct 31 22:06:16 <oil> bbl
Oct 31 22:06:29 <dohtem> he eats all day
Oct 31 22:06:36 <dohtem> whoops, he's still here :)
Oct 31 22:06:38 <oil> i woke up only a few hours ago
Oct 31 22:06:41 <dohtem> heh
Oct 31 22:06:44 <oil> this is technically breakfast
Oct 31 22:07:07 <dohtem> up partying late?
Oct 31 22:07:20 <oil> no, i just sleep in when i dont have to work
Oct 31 22:07:25 <thomaschaaf> I am trying to extend an html div is there a way to now update but append?
Oct 31 22:07:33 <oil> ok, bbl for real
Oct 31 22:19:42 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf: this.controller.get("divId").innerHTML += "content";
Oct 31 22:20:12 <thomaschaaf> how could I not have come to that solution :D
Oct 31 22:20:39 <Tibfib> no clue :)
Oct 31 22:24:28 <thomaschaaf> see you :) if you see "HerCalendar" at the End of next week in the calendar and are woundering why?! now you know :)
Oct 31 22:24:41 <thomaschaaf> free beta will be in app catalog via web ;)
Oct 31 22:24:55 <thomaschaaf> free earlier build
Oct 31 22:25:41 <thomaschaaf> G' night
Oct 31 22:58:18 <kesne> Takenobu
Oct 31 23:37:46 <Tibfib> gosh I hate css
Oct 31 23:37:52 <Tibfib> and html
Oct 31 23:43:12 <dkirker> Tibfib: :(
Oct 31 23:46:31 <oil> :/
Oct 31 23:53:04 <Tibfib> and I can't get the inspector to work...
Oct 31 23:58:16 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: what is wrong with the inspector?
Oct 31 23:58:24 <Tibfib> won't work.
Oct 31 23:58:46 <LoneStar99> you may have to restart your emulator
Oct 31 23:58:52 <Tibfib> shows "disconnected" no matter what
Oct 31 23:59:01 <dohtem> launch with -i
Oct 31 23:59:06 <Tibfib> yes.
Oct 31 23:59:10 <dohtem> hmm
Nov 01 00:00:18 <cxreg> what's the strategy for migrating to a new pre
Nov 01 00:00:22 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: did the inspector ever work for you?
Nov 01 00:00:48 <Tibfib> I'm just trying to get the subtitle in a palm-row to not be spaced 10 pixels below the title
Nov 01 00:00:56 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: pre latest sdk.
Nov 01 00:00:59 <Tibfib> it did
Nov 01 00:01:01 <LoneStar99> cxreg:  sell the old pre on ebay and pimp out the new pre 2
Nov 01 00:01:26 <Tibfib> cxreg: log into your profile! and that's it
Nov 01 00:02:00 <LoneStar99> i need to download the new sdk, still using x.0.477
Nov 01 00:02:05 <Tibfib> lol
Nov 01 00:02:11 <dohtem> nda
Nov 01 00:02:36 <LoneStar99> what is the latest? x.0.5xx?
Nov 01 00:02:43 <Tibfib> .4 still
Nov 01 00:02:55 <Tibfib> Anyone work wiht subtitles in palm rows?
Nov 01 00:03:36 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: is it more stable?
Nov 01 00:03:45 <Tibfib> nda
Nov 01 00:06:39 <Tibfib> it's like the there is an invisible div between my title and subtitle.
Nov 01 00:18:07 * Tibfib can't figure it out.
Nov 01 00:18:11 * Tibfib tries custom class
Nov 01 00:18:42 <Bmyers> inspector says what?
Nov 01 00:23:27 <Tibfib> wow. It might be my image
Nov 01 00:26:08 <Tibfib> maybe not.
Nov 01 00:28:29 <cxreg> Tibfib: will that migrate conversation history and all that stuff?
Nov 01 00:28:39 <Tibfib> nope
Nov 01 00:28:42 <cxreg> i'd like to get everything if i can
Nov 01 00:34:23 <Tibfib> haeffb: ping
Nov 01 00:36:55 <Tibfib> gosh. stupid palm default styles. I think that's why I hate css
Nov 01 00:37:20 <JenP> whats wrong Tibfib?
Nov 01 00:37:32 <Tibfib> Just having major issues with silly subtitles
Nov 01 00:37:42 <Tibfib> rolling my own classes and it is working fine.
Nov 01 00:38:14 <JenP> cool
Nov 01 00:38:17 <JenP> bbiab
Nov 01 00:48:03 <haeffb> Tibfib:
Nov 01 00:48:23 <Tibfib> haeffb: figured it out.
Nov 01 00:48:34 <Tibfib> "when hating css, abandon palm default styles"
Nov 01 00:48:46 <dohtem`> lol
Nov 01 00:49:15 <dohtem`> usually when I'm having trouble with css, I end up finding out I'm using the divs in the wrong order
Nov 01 00:54:29 <Tibfib> it's ALWAYS palm styles for me.
Nov 01 01:06:21 <dkirker> uuurrrggghhh!!! Why won't the command menu update when I tell it too?... grrr
Nov 01 01:13:22 <LoneStar99> dkirker: what u trying to do?
Nov 01 01:17:25 <summatusmentis> is there a way to replace the launcher icon on the quicklaunch bar with a different app?
Nov 01 01:17:31 <summatusmentis> I _never_ use that
Nov 01 01:18:35 <haeffb> not unless there's a patch... ?
Nov 01 01:19:08 <oil> i dont think there is a patch
Nov 01 01:22:13 <summatusmentis> I googled briefly, I was mostly wondering if people had heard of such a patch
Nov 01 01:22:54 <oil> ive never seen one
Nov 01 01:24:44 <oil> you can get rid of the entire quicklaunch bar
Nov 01 01:24:48 <oil> but not the launcher icon on it
Nov 01 01:25:10 <oil> i think some people cheat, and make its icon a transparent png
Nov 01 01:26:08 <JenP> oh cute we have tricker treaters
Nov 01 01:26:19 <oil> someone rang the doorbell
Nov 01 01:26:25 <oil> and i was all "who could that be?"
Nov 01 01:26:32 <oil> and answered the door and we have no candy
Nov 01 01:26:36 <halfhalo> crap.. forgot about those kids...
Nov 01 01:26:40 <oil> lol
Nov 01 01:26:58 <oil> but i found some to give them
Nov 01 01:27:03 <oil> then turned the porchlight off
Nov 01 01:27:09 <JenP> lol oh the dad was dressed up too
Nov 01 01:27:32 <JenP> you know guys there is nothing sexier then a guy being a great dad
Nov 01 01:27:34 <LoneStar99> halfhalo:  just give them canned foods
Nov 01 01:27:39 <LoneStar99> lol
Nov 01 01:27:44 <halfhalo> I have candy... but its mine
Nov 01 01:27:48 <oil> lol
Nov 01 01:28:13 <LoneStar99> no candy here, just veggies, and peanuts
Nov 01 01:28:34 <summatusmentis> oil: I don't want it hidden, I want to be able to put something else there
Nov 01 01:28:40 <oil> summatusmentis: yeah, you cant
Nov 01 01:28:47 <summatusmentis> right :(
Nov 01 01:29:08 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis: have you tried the inspector?
Nov 01 01:29:29 <oil> if it could be done, someone would have by now
Nov 01 01:29:42 <oil> lol
Nov 01 01:30:09 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: I have not
Nov 01 01:30:22 <summatusmentis> primarily because I don't know what that means
Nov 01 01:31:14 <LoneStar99> inspector allows, you to analyze css heirarchy with names etc
Nov 01 01:42:03 <anmar> Hello guys. I was on the palm website trying to figure out what version of the Kernel webOS 2.0 uses. Can you share that information with me?
Nov 01 01:43:36 <LoneStar99> anmar: i am sure we can't discuss 2.0 details, but have been away for a few weeks, so things might have changed
Nov 01 01:47:48 <LoneStar99> Erkan_Yilmaz__:  your name is croatian?
Nov 01 01:50:43 <rwhitby> anmar: that information is not public yet.  we're waiting for a webOS 2.0 doctor so that people can actually get to the command line of a Pre 2 and look.
Nov 01 01:51:24 <rwhitby> or alternatively, someone with a Pre 2 to tell us the USB Vendor and Product Ids so we an work on getting the open source precomd tool to talk to it and access the command line
Nov 01 01:52:08 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: we need to fly to france
Nov 01 01:56:32 <iWinRar> rwhitby should have made a pitstop lol
Nov 01 01:56:50 <rwhitby> iWinRar: I'm going the other direction
Nov 01 01:56:58 <iWinRar> oh, right :O
Nov 01 01:57:03 <halfhalo> EXCUSES
Nov 01 01:57:14 <iWinRar> hit up canada if rogers has it by then :D
Nov 01 01:59:06 <iWinRar> i might toss the telethon to the person who did the old one, have a friend moving in with her baby. and im pretty sure my left hand is messed up pretty bad, should see a doctor
Nov 01 01:59:24 <iWinRar> alcohol + slippery ground do not mix
Nov 01 02:00:21 <halfhalo> I swear If I get another call from my parents asking me to pick them and a few other people up this year I'm going to be pissed
Nov 01 02:00:54 <iWinRar> for what?
Nov 01 02:00:58 <iWinRar> or from what
Nov 01 02:01:22 <halfhalo> last holloween when my brother and their friends went trick or treating the parents walked behind them and had margaritas
Nov 01 02:01:25 <iWinRar> and i think my skull might be cracked a little bit, if i press around that area it hurts lime a sum of a witch
Nov 01 02:02:02 <rwhitby> iWinRar: the other guy said that he didn't have the time to run a telethon either
Nov 01 02:02:11 <rwhitby> iWinRar: but I'm sure someone will step up to the plate
Nov 01 02:02:39 <kesne> Time to go trick or treating!
Nov 01 02:02:45 <iWinRar> ill see if i can still do it. i should avoid whiskey
Nov 01 02:02:55 <rwhitby> I'm hoping that there might be a Pre 2 give-away at the NYC dev day
Nov 01 02:03:06 <iWinRar> good luck :D
Nov 01 02:07:10 <BigBiff_> greetings
Nov 01 02:07:38 <rwhitby> then I'm hoping that comms board swaps from Pre+ to Pre2 work, and that paid app catalog access can be retained for that swap
Nov 01 02:09:24 <iWinRar> wouldnt work from a cdma pre to a gsm pre im guessing?
Nov 01 02:09:30 <iWinRar> aka sprint pre to a pre 2?
Nov 01 02:10:01 <BigBiff_> haeffb, tell me some webos stories
Nov 01 02:11:00 <iWinRar> once apon a time palm made this kick ass OS called Palm webos, they had a lack of money and were losing market share so they sold to HP which then changed the name to HP Webos
Nov 01 02:14:22 <chronomex> hahaha <3
Nov 01 02:20:43 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: you going 2 dev days?
Nov 01 02:21:06 <rwhitby> LoneStar99: yep
Nov 01 02:21:59 <LoneStar99> cool
Nov 01 02:22:02 * oil too
Nov 01 02:22:30 <LoneStar99> damn everyone is going, may go, but last minute planning here
Nov 01 02:26:36 <LoneStar99> for some reason, i am thinking they will give pre 2 aways, but that is my guess
Nov 01 02:32:28 <rwhitby> it would be an ideal way to seed the developer community with webOS 2.0 ...
Nov 01 02:32:51 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 01 02:34:53 <iWinRar> does anyone have the numbers of how many people are going to be there total?
Nov 01 02:35:00 <iWinRar> i hope they can get as many people as pos
Nov 01 02:36:18 <oil> lots im sure
Nov 01 02:37:09 <dawm_> iWinRar, its webOS not webos not Webos.. webOS :)
Nov 01 02:37:56 <LoneStar99> im like 75% in
Nov 01 02:38:04 <oil> actually, its webaws
Nov 01 02:39:16 <dawm_> heh
Nov 01 02:39:31 <dawm_> Nova-Main, Nova-Babelfish, Arak
Nov 01 02:39:39 <LoneStar99> need to just analyze flights and hotels, but will look into it later this week
Nov 01 02:39:46 <dawm_> old entries tho, august, march and may
Nov 01 02:39:58 <iWinRar> yea dawm_ i know
Nov 01 02:47:16 <rwhitby> dawm_: Arak?
Nov 01 02:47:29 <dawm_> no idea
Nov 01 02:47:48 <dawm_> its too old and its on my old tracker which doesnt grab all info
Nov 01 02:48:04 <dawm_> i was just doing some DB maintenace and noticed
Nov 01 02:50:09 <dawm_> wow someone actually used my getsatisfaction page for support
Nov 01 02:50:30 <LoneStar99> dawm_: awesome
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