**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 01 02:59:57 2010 Nov 01 03:06:22 LoneStar99: Two scenes share a command bar. One of the scenes can be pushed ontop of the other scene. When the user does a back swipe, I want the command bar to be updated. I have tried calling setWidgetModel and modelChanged from the bottom scene's activate method, but that hasn't worked... Nov 01 03:16:29 dkirker: you wan the command bar to be updated with internal data or cloud data? Nov 01 03:29:03 Just got back Nov 01 03:29:07 from trick or treating Nov 01 03:29:15 ... Nov 01 03:29:34 what? Nov 01 03:30:05 how old are you, 10? Nov 01 03:30:10 jeesh, trick or treating Nov 01 03:30:29 Close, 16 :P Nov 01 03:30:33 lolol Nov 01 03:30:37 * halfhalo rests his case Nov 01 03:30:40 Real men trick or treat Nov 01 03:30:50 * oil didn't go trickortreating when he was 16 Nov 01 03:30:53 lulz Nov 01 03:31:03 I rest my case Nov 01 03:31:19 I went as the old spice guy Nov 01 03:31:21 If my airsoft gun was charged I would be on my roof shooting the candy bags of the annoying teenagers right now Nov 01 03:31:28 its a holiday for children Nov 01 03:31:33 not 16 year olds Nov 01 03:31:38 unless you consider yourself a child Nov 01 03:31:39 16 = child Nov 01 03:31:41 I do Nov 01 03:31:44 I watch spongebob Nov 01 03:31:51 so its really "real children trick or treat" Nov 01 03:32:17 It's a great way to pick up chicks Nov 01 03:32:22 you mean.. children Nov 01 03:32:23 stupid AEG and its battery Nov 01 03:57:38 do dee do Nov 01 03:57:59 kesne: did u get alot of candies? Nov 01 03:58:07 abosolutely Nov 01 03:58:09 any razor blades? Nov 01 03:58:13 lol Nov 01 03:58:37 if you start feeling weird, it was probably laced with acid Nov 01 03:59:12 any brownies? Nov 01 03:59:21 do not eat them Nov 01 03:59:40 http://yfrog.com/6zbeurj Nov 01 03:59:50 brownies are good 8) Nov 01 04:00:23 kesne: nice you look like a cleaner Nov 01 04:00:37 LoneStar99: It is internal data. Basically, all I am doing when the scene changes is changing which item on the command bar is selected. Nov 01 04:02:49 dkirker: i think i had a similar problem, wanted the command bar to display an arrow for pagination, when it was needed, but never really figured it out, or rather never took it further Nov 01 04:03:21 I would expect modelChanged to do the trick... Nov 01 04:04:24 dkirker: it may, but the app that uses the command menu will be killed soon... so not much help Nov 01 04:05:58 usually I make my own icons Nov 01 04:12:40 alright folks chat tommora, Nov 01 07:46:33 Good morning Nov 01 08:06:00 good morning hotdp Nov 01 08:06:19 dkirker anything new? Nov 01 08:07:23 hotdp: Not much. Just working on moVox. I spent a little too much time trying to get the command menu to submit to my will. I am giving up for now... Nov 01 08:10:21 i see Nov 01 08:14:24 Basically, scene1 and scene2 share a command bar. scene1 is always up and can push scene2 onto the stack. scene2 can be popped by a back swipe (or by pressing scene1's button on the command bar) and scene 1 is supposed to update the command bar when this happens, but I cannot figure out how. modelChanged and setWidgetModel don't work... Nov 01 08:14:44 hmm Nov 01 08:15:04 so scene 1 updates the bar on scene 2? Nov 01 08:17:09 Well, scene2 will draw the command bar itself. It is a common command bar (like the one here: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/palm_pre_webos_gdial_pro_ilike_concerts-540x403.jpg). Nov 01 08:17:38 But after the back swipe happens, scene1 (the dial pad) is supposed to set its icon as selected in its command bar. Nov 01 08:19:59 My goal is to keep my PDK plugin running in the dial pad scene (so swapping scenes, as I was doing, does not work). Nov 01 08:20:05 I see! Nov 01 08:20:11 Can' Nov 01 08:20:18 Can't you "hack" it Nov 01 08:20:32 That's what I am trying to do now. :/ Nov 01 08:20:33 And look in a cookie or something what is selected and then look in the cookie on atcivate? Nov 01 08:20:49 and select the commanD? Nov 01 08:21:43 Don't even need to use a cookie. Can just look at the topScene's name. But how would I force the command bar to update itself? That is the problem that I am having. Nov 01 08:22:00 i see Nov 01 08:22:06 I would have expected modelChanged to do so. Nov 01 08:22:16 so when you select the "new" command and modelchange nothing happens? Nov 01 08:22:21 ok Nov 01 08:23:27 have you looked at http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1931&view=previous Nov 01 08:23:55 but modelchange should work Nov 01 08:24:02 you dont get errors in log or something? Nov 01 08:24:08 I will look at that, thanks! Nov 01 08:24:14 nope, no errors :( Nov 01 08:24:21 very strange Nov 01 08:27:20 Yeah, I would expect this to work: Nov 01 08:27:29 globals.cmdMenuModel.items.toggleCmd = "do-goPhone"; Nov 01 08:27:29 this.controller.modelChanged(globals.cmdMenuModel); Nov 01 08:28:09 what does mojo.log(globals.cmdMenuModel.items.toggleCmd) tell you after it is set? Nov 01 08:28:31 let's find out! Nov 01 08:30:29 d0-goPhone, as I would expect it to be Nov 01 08:31:09 so it is set? Nov 01 08:31:09 do-goPhone Nov 01 08:31:12 yup Nov 01 08:32:00 this.controller.modelChanged(globals.cmdMenuModel, this); Nov 01 08:32:30 what about that? And do you set it in activate? Nov 01 08:32:51 http://books.google.dk/books?id=lFSyamqzXNUC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=command+menu+webos+modelchanged&source=bl&ots=h-vJo9GbCs&sig=330Ff0mI6IN2P3WsVAtDu9wuIWo&hl=en&ei=w3fOTKQCyJw6hL2RqwE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=command%20menu%20webos%20modelchanged&f=false Nov 01 08:33:36 yeah, I set it in activate Nov 01 08:33:43 let's try the this at the end Nov 01 08:35:33 I think that might have fixed another issue that I was having, but not the back swipe one... Nov 01 08:35:42 I wonder if there is something special about the back swipe Nov 01 08:36:11 what are you thinking on? If active is not run or? Nov 01 08:36:27 activate definitely gets run Nov 01 08:37:19 I'm just wondering if the back gesture does something that causes the modelChanged to be ineffective... Nov 01 08:37:20 so what are you thinking on ? Nov 01 08:37:27 ahh Nov 01 08:37:41 maybe... Let's try a timer Nov 01 08:37:58 it could be af posibility Nov 01 08:42:07 the backswipe is definitely doing something weird. The timer shows that if I tap the cmdMenu item to push scene2 then tap the cmdMenu button to pop scene2, it will change. But if I do a backswipe to pop scene2, the button does not change... Nov 01 08:42:17 * dkirker enters the twilight zone Nov 01 08:43:06 hmm Nov 01 08:43:48 I should probably check out the phone app's source code and see if I can find out where it handles that. Because it definitely changed the dialpad/call log button Nov 01 08:43:50 hmm don't know if there is a "fix" for that Nov 01 08:43:54 and a backswipe works Nov 01 08:44:19 What will you do? Nov 01 08:44:33 thanks for the help hotdp! Your help definitely got me thinking about it a bit differently. :) Nov 01 08:45:58 Hope you sovles it := Nov 01 08:46:05 thanks! Nov 01 09:01:32 heh... I should be doing homework... Nov 01 09:03:26 nah ;) Nov 01 15:58:05 good morning, afternoon, evening folks Nov 01 15:58:29 I'm getting a null pointer exception in libpurple adapter from a strcmp during jabber_presence_parse. I'm trying to find the culprit, and I thought it might be uberkernel (which I dont quite understand), but the problem persists *after* I remove all patches and applications, and after running emergency file verification. Nov 01 15:59:49 morning chuqui Nov 01 16:00:07 morning Nov 01 16:07:13 anyone know how to change password of IRC if I do not remember my original password? Nov 01 16:17:53 LoneStar99: you mean your nickserv password? there's a mechanism on freenode to reset/retreive (I forget which) your password through nickserv if you've provided an email address Nov 01 16:21:08 LoneStar99: I see /msg nickserv setpass - but that's for *after* you've received the password reset key from nickserv. I dont see the command to have the key emailed to you... Nov 01 16:22:36 sammy: ok, i will try sending myself an email from IRC Nov 01 16:22:41 thanks Nov 01 16:25:05 LoneStar99: try #help: 10:19 <+mquin> sammy: they'll need to ask for a password reset to be issued, then Nov 01 16:28:53 sammy thanks Nov 01 16:29:06 np. I thought nickserv could do it for you :P didn't knwo you needed a staffer Nov 01 16:29:17 I guess freenode's #help is better staffed than I remember it :) Nov 01 16:30:27 sammy: yeah they sent me a key Nov 01 16:30:33 or password reset thanks Nov 01 16:47:28 wow just noticed cuil.com is dead Nov 01 16:55:08 Hey guys Nov 01 17:02:20 Hey in SQLite I really need Dates and Datediff functions is that built in? Nov 01 17:04:39 Evning Nov 01 17:09:02 good evening hotdp Nov 01 17:17:41 LoneStar99 how are you? something new? Nov 01 17:18:07 nothing new, here working on a web project Nov 01 17:18:30 work work :) Nov 01 17:19:24 yeah, need to haul ass with this stuff, slacked off for like a month Nov 01 17:19:45 also want to build a new app, but can't until i finish this web stuff Nov 01 17:22:33 but work pays the bills Nov 01 17:49:04 * oilsworkn is excited for devdays Nov 01 17:49:21 * hotdp is also excited Nov 01 17:50:07 * oilsworkn wishes he could find highres images of new xbox dash so he can update his xbox app Nov 01 17:51:00 lol... updates.... Nov 01 17:51:20 it will happen Nov 01 17:51:29 heh... riiiight Nov 01 17:51:30 i will release an update to my first webos app Nov 01 17:51:37 after like a year or so Nov 01 17:52:06 i was working on it then there was all the "oh, new dash" so i waited for it to drop so i could emulate its look Nov 01 17:52:07 I'll believe it when I see it Nov 01 17:53:22 less pessimism, more helping oil find good screenshots Nov 01 17:53:40 no Nov 01 17:53:58 ;( Nov 01 17:55:18 :p Nov 01 17:57:05 at least the new way it moves will make my code easier Nov 01 17:57:13 sideways? Nov 01 17:57:43 well, before it had perspective to it, the things to the right were further away, to the left were closer Nov 01 17:57:54 now its flat, with the current one poped forward Nov 01 17:58:33 much easier to emulate Nov 01 17:58:45 in a scroller widget, lol Nov 01 17:59:30 sounds complicated Nov 01 18:00:16 lol Nov 01 18:00:32 well, right now its much more complicated then it will be when i update it for the new look Nov 01 18:01:33 suuuure Nov 01 18:02:02 there is simply no good screenshots Nov 01 18:02:10 anywhere on the internets Nov 01 18:02:18 Bull Nov 01 18:02:20 its the internets Nov 01 18:02:29 theres always screenshots somewhere Nov 01 18:02:34 its a barren wasteland Nov 01 18:06:30 grr.... I left colloquy open on another computer and now its messing up trillian Nov 01 18:10:10 * oilsworkn has no sympathy Nov 01 18:17:06 http://images.lazygamer.net/2010/10/IheartION.jpg is believe it or not the best one of that section ive found sofar... Nov 01 18:17:23 hi-res.. Nov 01 18:17:52 yeah, not very Nov 01 18:18:31 lol Nov 01 18:18:55 http://x.exophase.net/images/2010/07/dash3606.jpg Nov 01 18:18:56 is bigger Nov 01 18:19:05 but like, early beta inbetween old and new Nov 01 18:19:10 not quite right Nov 01 18:19:25 buy a 360 and make your own? Nov 01 18:19:37 i have one Nov 01 18:19:45 i have no way of getting a good picture from it though Nov 01 18:19:49 camera Nov 01 18:20:21 yeah, a camera doesn't help get a screenshot Nov 01 18:20:30 it will get me a very ugly picture of the screen though Nov 01 18:20:49 there is no "print screen" on xbox? Nov 01 18:20:50 * halfhalo has a tv tuner with component in for this type of stuffs Nov 01 18:21:24 no, lol Nov 01 18:21:32 and by that I mean its sitting on my shelf gathering dust Nov 01 18:21:57 * oilsworkn waits for halfhalo to fedex it Nov 01 18:25:26 * oilsworkn taps food Nov 01 18:25:28 foot* Nov 01 18:25:28 :/ Nov 01 18:25:29 * halfhalo would have to find it Nov 01 18:25:51 and the crazy adapter needed for component Nov 01 18:26:01 ... Nov 01 18:26:30 its one of those cwazy pchdtv5500's with a coax to component thingie Nov 01 18:28:25 * halfhalo knows of a laptop that does hdmi input Nov 01 18:29:10 it be cwazy Nov 01 18:29:44 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/xboxlive-fall-2010-dsc0459-rm-eng.jpg Nov 01 18:29:49 is bigger, but obviously a picture of a tv Nov 01 18:29:58 * oilsworkn can see scanlines Nov 01 18:30:27 THE SCAN LINES!!! THEY BURN Nov 01 19:18:39 :( ORDER BY doesn't work for sqlite?! Nov 01 19:26:02 how do you guys store dates in sqlite? Nov 01 19:27:30 as a datetime Nov 01 19:31:01 ORDER BY works for sqlite... Nov 01 19:31:13 or at least, in normal sqlite, I'm not sure about webos Nov 01 19:40:16 summatusmentis: yea just noticed that it was of course sorting 2010-10-10 before 2010-9-10 Nov 01 19:40:33 used a zeroPad function :) Nov 01 19:40:35 now it works Nov 01 19:40:40 :) Nov 01 19:41:01 simple 'reset phone/removing all user installed apps' fixed my webos desktop from constantly losing extra pages, & having the Desktop/Launcher screen from appearing as a CARD, hehe.. groovy idea tho. ;) Nov 01 19:42:16 make that into an app. & call it penacillin desktop. :) Nov 01 19:49:59 * oil thinks you should have taken a screenshot before fixing it Nov 01 19:52:00 * oil wants to see this "desktop/launcher" in a card thing Nov 01 19:52:38 * zhephree agrees with oil Nov 01 19:55:22 I did :) Nov 01 19:55:31 a couple.. Nov 01 19:56:34 what's the best way to send it to you? photobucket or direct? Nov 01 19:56:53 yeah post it on the internets Nov 01 19:56:56 photobucket so we can all see it :D Nov 01 19:57:06 zem INTERNETS! Nov 01 19:57:40 ok, gimmie a few, will up it & get it here.. bbiab Nov 01 20:11:14 http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww235/x1705/launcher_2010-26-10_121824.png Nov 01 20:11:22 is one Nov 01 20:12:44 http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/x1705/launcher_2010-26-10_121641.png Nov 01 20:14:01 http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/x1705/launcher_2010-25-10_235259.png Nov 01 20:14:51 oops, last two missing the 'ww235' path Nov 01 20:16:22 need it reposted, or do you got it? Nov 01 20:20:14 I just edit the url in browser, but the last one shows the tabspatch I use also.. it scrolled, changed pages, etc.. Nov 01 20:20:57 it would only appear by tapping the home/dock button, wouldn't come up via swipe.. Nov 01 20:23:21 someone suggested @ first mention that would be a good way to run multi (virtual) os's.. iOS, 7, & webOS.. :) overkill, but I can see potential if it can be duplicated* Nov 01 20:24:57 wait, so why was your launcher appearing as a cad? Nov 01 20:24:59 card* Nov 01 20:26:40 all of those links 404 for me Nov 01 20:27:04 http://s723.photobucket.com/albums/ww235/x1705/Palm Nov 01 20:27:24 sorry, just moved them to album, all in one. Nov 01 20:28:42 summatusmentis: dunno.. just an overclock/undervoltaged 'glitch' AFAIK Nov 01 20:29:24 that last link ok for you? I can upload them better when I get on my desktop, :/ Nov 01 20:30:40 I rarely* use photobucket, :) Nov 01 20:45:44 thanks Nov 01 20:46:36 np :) Nov 01 21:09:35 is the best option for a full-width view menu still calculating and specifying the width in the setup? Nov 01 21:10:31 hmm, can you not say 100%? Nov 01 21:11:00 if you just want a header, you can do the html one. but if you want the buttons, you'll probably have to calculate Nov 01 21:11:06 k Nov 01 21:43:39 what video formats can webos 1.4.5 play? Nov 01 21:53:27 Join Nov 01 21:55:08 Griffinx_: try again Nov 01 21:59:59 bump. Nov 01 23:21:24 is there a program out that used gps to store ur location so lets say when you get home and ur wifi will turn on or when you leave it shuts down...? Nov 01 23:21:46 no Nov 01 23:22:32 shoot... Nov 01 23:22:51 wait, maybe there is Nov 01 23:22:59 solix: that is weird Nov 01 23:23:08 its like the launcher was launched again as an app Nov 01 23:23:09 daltonj82: doesn't mode-switcher do that? Nov 01 23:23:14 it is isn't it :) Nov 01 23:23:23 @oil Nov 01 23:24:22 We dont have access to the adapter via api Nov 01 23:24:52 modeswitch works with local triggers, might be able to write something to help it, but I don't think it does that naturally Nov 01 23:27:10 @oil it semed to happen right after a undervolting of 1ghz. would there be any Dated logs/dumps I could look for via shell? Nov 01 23:27:34 well, weird stuff happens when you're pushing the limits Nov 01 23:27:44 it would be a nice patch/app ;) Nov 01 23:27:44 no need for a log, lol Nov 01 23:27:54 yeap Nov 01 23:28:03 you can move the launcher code to the applications folder and launch it like that Nov 01 23:28:03 heh Nov 01 23:28:18 but ive never seen it launch in a card when you dont do that Nov 01 23:28:30 I see.. Nov 01 23:33:02 so its a good idea then huh? Nov 01 23:34:11 I have no idea how to write a program or I would I have alot of ideas but go blank on writing them lol... Nov 01 23:36:10 you want ur phones wifi to come on automatically when ur home; ie in range? Nov 01 23:36:44 or vice versa? Nov 01 23:37:10 yes.. Nov 01 23:37:32 would save alot of battery Nov 01 23:37:50 use Mode Switcher. Note that GPS uses more battery than Wifi. Nov 01 23:40:00 I havnt used modeswitcher in a while, just had it start some apps on boot, but I know it had a lot of tweaking capabilites, ie; temps/battery/etc.. there is a app 'space alarm or alert' that notifies you when ur in a preset gps coordinate.. might see if that can be tied in some how. meh. Nov 01 23:42:11 easier, just create a shortcut to turn your wifi on.. & autoconnect.. but you'd still have to TAP an icon.. lol Nov 01 23:44:48 as far as location goes, BT is the most battery efficient, then Wifi, the GPS is the most battery hungy. Nov 01 23:46:16 get an RFID chip insalled in the pre :)) Nov 01 23:46:51 lol Nov 01 23:47:17 I'd put those things everywhere.. hehe Nov 01 23:48:35 brb gonna reboot Nov 01 23:49:08 yeah, but if you could BT would be best.. I've seen proximity uses with those before, but for pre/or how far, eh. :) Nov 01 23:50:23 heck you can turn your oven on from a phone now, why not your wifi huh! :) lol Nov 01 23:51:26 get a car touchstone, you wont care if wifi is on all the time Nov 01 23:51:46 :) good point Nov 01 23:51:47 I think 1bar of cell signal will probably eat battery faster Nov 01 23:52:27 pre needs a full solar backing.. my next DIY project ;) Nov 01 23:53:04 haha, actually I want a touchstone back for my nook Nov 01 23:53:23 put it on there in the morning when I take the pre off Nov 01 23:53:35 get a good flexible solar pad & jump it to the plug in.. now... just to figure out how.. haha Nov 01 23:54:36 would beat having a hand crank built in the side.. hehe Nov 01 23:55:05 * solix plays jack in the box sound.... Nov 01 23:56:20 reboot bbl Nov 02 02:41:07 Anyone know why a few updates ago my UberKernel failed to update? (rwhitby) I still can't install, it says it failed to verify. Nov 02 02:48:16 Roy-Pre101: dunno. Install the Palm recovery kernel, then install UberKernel Nov 02 02:48:55 Mmm Nov 02 02:48:59 Will try that. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 02 02:59:57 2010