**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 02 02:59:57 2010
Nov 02 03:01:37 <Roy-Pre101> Worked.  Strange how it happened.
Nov 02 03:14:56 <CTLAdvance|2> Anyone know if there are any issues with event.down on a tap event
Nov 02 03:15:03 <CTLAdvance|2> in 1.4.5
Nov 02 03:24:08 <CTLAdvance|2> Wow, I cant believe we cant use % with canvas
Nov 02 03:24:18 <CTLAdvance|2> as in width = 100%
Nov 02 03:44:45 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 02 03:46:03 <dkirker> hi JenP!
Nov 02 03:46:15 <JenP> hi dkirker! How are you?
Nov 02 03:46:26 <dkirker> Not too bad. Just doing homework. You?
Nov 02 03:51:15 <JenP> smiles...logging into work...to do more work...LOL
Nov 02 03:51:24 <JenP> what kind of homework?
Nov 02 03:53:37 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: What's up with this 8% doctor problem?
Nov 02 03:53:45 <dkirker> It is an interpreter for my programming languages class.
Nov 02 03:53:53 <dkirker> Hopefully this will be easy...
Nov 02 04:02:39 <JenP> i'm sure you'll do great
Nov 02 04:15:38 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: for some people, the doctor stops at 8% and the device reboots
Nov 02 04:15:52 <rwhitby> seems that it is caused by filesystem corruption on the USB flash area
Nov 02 04:16:25 <rwhitby> to fix it, you memboot, then activate the LVM, then mkdosfs /dev/store/media, then doctor and full erase to finish off.
Nov 02 04:42:48 <maik> can you have an errorDialog or showDialog with no scene up?  like firing it from the StageController ?
Nov 02 07:50:14 <hotdp> Good morning
Nov 02 07:53:25 <iWinRar>  mornin
Nov 02 08:06:33 <dkirker> good morning hotdp
Nov 02 08:06:37 <dkirker> and iWinRar
Nov 02 08:10:08 <iWinRar> actually its about time to sleep for me
Nov 02 08:10:38 <dkirker> same here
Nov 02 08:10:56 <dkirker> I need to wake up early and fill my ballot out
Nov 02 08:11:16 <iWinRar> yea i should prob do that too, tho since i moved i have no clue where im supposta go lol
Nov 02 08:11:48 <hotdp> Good night both :)
Nov 02 08:11:55 <iWinRar> night
Nov 02 08:11:57 <dkirker> iWinRar: This might be able to help you: http://www.vote411.org/pollfinder.php
Nov 02 08:12:05 <iWinRar> thanks
Nov 02 08:12:38 <dkirker> you're welcome!
Nov 02 08:13:44 <iWinRar> where i used to live it was litterly a stones throw away lol
Nov 02 08:15:25 <dkirker> There are two polling places near me. One around the block and the other on campus.
Nov 02 08:15:43 <dkirker> I'll be on campus, so I can just drop the ballot off there.
Nov 02 08:15:58 <iWinRar> need to vote out our current sheriff guy is a tool, the person running against him is one of his employees so instead of letting him campaign he sent him out for training
Nov 02 08:16:14 <dkirker> wtf
Nov 02 08:16:19 <iWinRar> yea lol
Nov 02 08:16:36 <iWinRar> guy has a lawsuit against the current one now lol
Nov 02 08:16:44 <dkirker> I would too
Nov 02 08:17:30 <iWinRar> so im pretty sure anyone who knows about that will be voting against the current one lol
Nov 02 08:17:53 <iWinRar> so i am pretty sure he did more harm then good with that stunt
Nov 02 08:19:22 <dkirker> sounds like it
Nov 02 08:19:32 <dkirker> alright, time for bed for me!
Nov 02 08:19:37 <dkirker> 'night
Nov 02 08:19:38 <iWinRar> same, night
Nov 02 08:44:43 <[AD]Turbo> hi all
Nov 02 08:45:25 <hotdp> morning [AD]Turbo
Nov 02 08:46:13 <[AD]Turbo> ciao hotdp
Nov 02 14:53:36 <hotdp> all that silence
Nov 02 14:54:09 <jamesderektate> hey guys
Nov 02 14:54:17 <jamesderektate> does palm send us a 1099 for taxes, or is that our job?
Nov 02 14:54:37 <hotdp> i am from EU so dont know what 1099 is
Nov 02 14:55:05 <jamesderektate> if you make over $600
Nov 02 14:55:18 <hotdp> I have made over 600$ ?
Nov 02 14:55:19 <jamesderektate> (us tax form)... although, im not sure. apple does it a different way and there is no 1099
Nov 02 15:14:26 <teemu> hms. Ok, totally off topic but is it good English to say: I'm sorry I missed your called yesterday, and I'm returning your call"?
Nov 02 15:14:38 <teemu> your call yesterday..
Nov 02 15:15:00 <hotdp> ;D
Nov 02 15:15:23 <hotdp> for app or personal ?
Nov 02 15:15:36 <CTLAdvance> can you set the z-Index of a canvas?
Nov 02 15:16:09 <teemu> hotdp: personal :)
Nov 02 15:17:05 <hotdp> whats wrong with that what your wrote?
Nov 02 15:18:21 <teemu> Hopefully nothing. I just wanted to make sure I'm not coming out as a crazy person
Nov 02 15:18:52 <hotdp> maybe, "when" will you return it?
Nov 02 15:18:55 <hotdp> now or later?
Nov 02 15:18:59 <teemu> I consider my self rather good in English, but for some reason that line has never crossed my mind
Nov 02 15:19:14 <teemu> heh, it's actually what you say when calling someone back
Nov 02 15:19:28 <teemu> So there's no reason, apparently, to say when..
Nov 02 15:19:44 <hotdp> and I'm returning your call"? <-- sounds stupid
Nov 02 15:19:59 <hotdp> what does i know :) i am not a teacher
Nov 02 15:21:31 <hotdp> bbl
Nov 02 16:03:07 <CTLAdvance> morning chuqui
Nov 02 16:03:18 <hotdp> Hey chuqui
Nov 02 16:03:18 <chuqui> morning!
Nov 02 16:03:32 <halfhalo> its to early for morning....
Nov 02 16:05:53 <hotdp> its 17:00 here, dark, rainy and cold. winter came early :(
Nov 02 16:09:07 <torchie> hey dawgs
Nov 02 16:23:44 <keith> high
Nov 02 16:24:31 <keith> san fran was awesome last night
Nov 02 16:24:40 <keith> but the media overhyped it with rioting
Nov 02 16:28:36 <torchie> what happened
Nov 02 16:29:54 <keith> sf won world series
Nov 02 16:30:34 <torchie> of baseball?
Nov 02 16:33:15 <keith> yes
Nov 02 16:33:49 <LoneStar99> morning all
Nov 02 16:47:07 <oilsworkn> :/
Nov 02 16:47:13 <CTLAdvance> wow
Nov 02 16:47:16 <CTLAdvance> http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/02/w3c-tests-html5-browser-compatibility-crowns-ie9-the-champ/
Nov 02 16:47:25 <oilsworkn> yeah
Nov 02 16:47:31 <CTLAdvance> Saweet
Nov 02 16:47:32 <oilsworkn> the end is near
Nov 02 16:47:44 <halfhalo> good times...
Nov 02 16:51:42 <LoneStar99> wow ie9...
Nov 02 17:00:53 <oilsworkn> halfhalo fell off the internets?
Nov 02 17:10:37 <rsanchez> hello
Nov 02 17:13:12 <rsanchez> I want to listen to a flick event and a tap event, but I don't want them to fire at the same time
Nov 02 17:13:42 <rsanchez> in my app when I get a flick event I often also get a tap event
Nov 02 17:13:53 <rsanchez> how can I get only the flick event
Nov 02 17:16:49 <maik> i don't know the exact answer, but depending on which event fires first you should be able to stop processing of further events
Nov 02 17:16:55 <maik> someone correct me if i'm wrong
Nov 02 17:20:07 <oilsworkn> event.stop() event.stopPropigation()? something like those or something
Nov 02 17:20:15 <oilsworkn> though, my experience with them, is that they dont always work, lol
Nov 02 17:22:53 <maik> i can't seem to get this spinner to start/stop/instantiate
Nov 02 17:36:54 <rsanchez> i added both stop and stopPropagation and the flick event triggers by itself
Nov 02 17:37:37 <rsanchez> one more question: how can I detect multitouch events, like when you pinch the browser to zoom in and out?
Nov 02 17:40:20 <maik> that i have no idea about.  sugardave might be able to lend some insight, not sure who else has played with it though i know others have
Nov 02 18:15:16 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: your tweet makes no sense
Nov 02 18:15:46 <hotdp> what did it say?
Nov 02 18:16:46 <oilsworkn> "Movies > Themes"
Nov 02 18:17:49 <oilsworkn> rsanchez: listen to the "gesturechange" event for the element
Nov 02 18:18:01 <oilsworkn> it gets a scale variable that is the ammount its been pinched
Nov 02 18:18:29 <rsanchez> oilsworkn: thanks I'll try that
Nov 02 18:22:35 <halfhalo> My tweets never make sense
Nov 02 18:22:54 <dohtem> good morning!
Nov 02 18:27:28 <rsanchez> so I should do something like: this.controller.listen(this.controller.get('element'), 'gesturechange', this.gestureChange.bind(this))
Nov 02 18:27:48 <oilsworkn> yeah
Nov 02 18:28:04 <oilsworkn> you may need gesturestart/gestureend also, but its been so long since i messed with that crap
Nov 02 18:30:34 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: thats a lie
Nov 02 18:30:37 <oilsworkn> some others make sense
Nov 02 18:31:06 * halfhalo is known to lie for no reason
Nov 02 18:32:30 <maik> is there a an easy way to get a list of scenes in a project?
Nov 02 18:32:52 <rsanchez> gah it looks like trying a gesture with those listeners is freezing my app
Nov 02 18:32:59 <dohtem> look at the sources,json ?
Nov 02 18:33:04 <halfhalo> Threaten it at gunpoint
Nov 02 18:33:08 <dohtem> sources.json*
Nov 02 18:33:36 <maik> i don't really want to go messing with files
Nov 02 18:33:38 <maik> at runtime
Nov 02 18:33:49 <maik> not a huge deal i guess
Nov 02 18:33:53 <rsanchez> it's in a Mojo object isn't it?
Nov 02 18:33:56 <rsanchez> forgot which one
Nov 02 18:39:31 <rsanchez> I think I was thinking about appinfo.json, accessed using Mojo.appInfo
Nov 02 18:39:46 <rsanchez> I don't know if there's one for sources, Mojo.sources isn't it
Nov 02 18:43:20 <rsanchez> oilsworkn: listening for those events causes my app to freeze when I try a pinch
Nov 02 18:43:42 <oilsworkn> thats no good
Nov 02 18:47:36 <maik> wow, i finally found a use for ++foo instead of foo++
Nov 02 18:48:09 <rsanchez> got it working now
Nov 02 18:48:50 <rsanchez> oilsworkn: thanks for the tip
Nov 02 18:49:51 <maik> does swapScene destroy the current scene?
Nov 02 18:50:28 <oilsworkn> yes
Nov 02 18:52:20 <maik> hooray
Nov 02 19:17:56 <swisstomcat> evening
Nov 02 19:29:53 <LoneStar99> good evening swisstomcat
Nov 02 19:30:24 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
Nov 02 19:36:58 <rsanchez> stupid javascript, why does 1-.9 = .0999999996
Nov 02 19:37:31 <rsanchez> I know why, just asking javascript why it's so dumb
Nov 02 19:38:34 <chronomex> rsanchez: blame IEEE :)
Nov 02 19:40:01 <oil> rsanchez: (typeof NaN) === "number"
Nov 02 19:41:35 <halfhalo> your NaN
Nov 02 19:42:01 <oil> true, (typeof oil) == "person"
Nov 02 19:42:16 <oil> lol
Nov 02 19:42:46 <halfhalo> damn...
Nov 02 19:43:08 <LoneStar99> if anyone wants to submit a press release for their mobile apps for free --> http://pressoid.com
Nov 02 19:43:53 <oil> why does the website look like its made in flash?
Nov 02 19:43:55 <oil> lol
Nov 02 19:44:16 <LoneStar99> oil, which site?
Nov 02 19:44:29 <oil> pressoid
Nov 02 19:44:56 <LoneStar99> no flash: html, php, js, css,
Nov 02 19:44:56 <oil> maybe its just hte ugly fade and not correctly placed "play" button, lol
Nov 02 19:45:03 <LoneStar99> oil
Nov 02 19:45:05 <LoneStar99> yeah
Nov 02 19:45:11 <oil> no, i know, it just looks like it
Nov 02 19:45:33 <LoneStar99> still need to make some fixes, but will continue with fixes later today
Nov 02 19:45:49 <LoneStar99> oil: what browser u using? safari?
Nov 02 19:45:58 <oil> chrome
Nov 02 19:46:54 <LoneStar99> k
Nov 02 19:59:02 <CTLAdvance> What is this pressoid
Nov 02 19:59:14 <CTLAdvance> does anything actually look at this
Nov 02 19:59:42 <oil> lol, idk
Nov 02 19:59:55 <rsanchez> can you get number key codes with Mojo.Char?
Nov 02 20:00:09 <rsanchez> like if someone pressed Orange+E to press 1
Nov 02 20:00:11 <CTLAdvance> lol
Nov 02 20:00:13 <CTLAdvance> who posted this
Nov 02 20:00:14 <CTLAdvance> http://pressoid.com/release/Oil_is_to_Blame_for_WebOS_issues/106456
Nov 02 20:00:23 <oil> damnet
Nov 02 20:00:25 <oil> probably halfhalo
Nov 02 20:00:29 <rsanchez> lol
Nov 02 20:01:29 * halfhalo didn't do it
Nov 02 20:02:28 <LoneStar99> oil being blamed for webos and world issues...
Nov 02 20:02:38 <oil> all the time
Nov 02 20:02:53 <LoneStar99> =(
Nov 02 20:03:03 <halfhalo> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nov 02 20:03:08 * halfhalo just looked at the page
Nov 02 20:03:18 <CTLAdvance> oy
Nov 02 20:03:30 <CTLAdvance> How do you submit something here
Nov 02 20:03:33 <CTLAdvance> all I see is search
Nov 02 20:04:11 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance:  black "submit" on the top right hand side
Nov 02 20:06:52 <CTLAdvance> yes yes I see that now
Nov 02 21:10:50 <maik> is it ok to switch between scenes with a viewMenu and swapScene ?
Nov 02 21:10:56 <maik> i get a bit of vertigo when i do it too fast
Nov 02 21:34:07 <swisstomcat> goodn8 everyone
Nov 02 21:38:22 <maik> good nate?
Nov 02 21:39:01 <CTLAdvance> incase you haven't seen oils press release
Nov 02 21:39:01 <CTLAdvance> http://pressoid.com/release/Oil_is_to_Blame_for_WebOS_issues/106456
Nov 02 21:41:46 <torchie> wut
Nov 02 21:42:55 <Loudergood> more like not enough Oil is to blame
Nov 02 22:02:03 <haeffb> maik: do you have a transition between scenes?
Nov 02 22:02:10 <maik> ya
Nov 02 22:02:14 <maik> the default thing
Nov 02 22:04:15 * haeffb blames oil for the Oil_is_to_Blame press release.
Nov 02 22:05:37 <maik> haeffb: would not having a transition appear to be more smooth?
Nov 02 22:05:47 <haeffb> I dunno.
Nov 02 22:05:50 <CTLAdvance> 17 people looked at that press release
Nov 02 22:05:53 <haeffb> I haven't really messed with them
Nov 02 22:06:11 <CTLAdvance> thats more people than who looked at the onen saying that pressoid relaunched
Nov 02 22:06:14 <haeffb> just wondering if adding/changing the transition might help with your vertigo issues.
Nov 02 22:06:15 <Bmyers> i read it somewhere else last week
Nov 02 22:06:15 <CTLAdvance> or equal to*
Nov 02 22:06:17 <haeffb> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1869
Nov 02 22:07:02 <maik> hmm
Nov 02 22:07:12 <CTLAdvance> lol
Nov 02 22:07:18 <CTLAdvance> someone posted another
Nov 02 22:07:28 <CTLAdvance> http://pressoid.com/release/CONFIRMED__Oil_is_the_reason_for_the_dalay_of_2_0/106457
Nov 02 22:09:03 <maik> good suggestion, haeffb, Mojo.Transition.none worked a treat
Nov 02 22:09:04 <maik> thanks
Nov 02 22:09:35 <maik> this.controller.swapScene({ transition: Mojo.Transition.none, name: 'foo' });
Nov 02 22:09:53 <haeffb> anytime I can help you to not do something, just let me know.
Nov 02 22:10:38 <maik> heh
Nov 02 22:18:38 <dohtem> CTLAdvance:  Sound like the PAALM! guy has a new angle to pursue.
Nov 02 22:18:41 <dohtem> sounds*
Nov 02 22:39:18 <Bmyers> make up your mind
Nov 02 22:45:02 <haeffb_> wait, what?
Nov 02 22:53:41 <maik> prototype's Ajax keeps track of cookies, right?
Nov 02 23:26:10 <maik> anyone know why when i click on a palm-row the thing grows to double its normal size while it's being tapped?
Nov 02 23:32:16 <maik> anyone know (who|what|where|when|why|how) i (click|type|push|pull|jump|crawl|fall|think) the (noun) (verbs) while (verbing) ?
Nov 02 23:32:21 <dohtem> the highlight?
Nov 02 23:32:24 <maik> ya
Nov 02 23:32:37 <dohtem> heh, I had that problem
Nov 02 23:32:45 <maik> when it's highlighted the row grows to twice its size and the text in the row moves inwards
Nov 02 23:32:54 <Mousey> man, i'm so adjective i verb nouns
Nov 02 23:32:57 <dohtem> are you using css to override the default list appearance?
Nov 02 23:33:15 <maik> i was, then i removed all of the styling and it appears to still do it
Nov 02 23:33:38 <maik> though i'm using a couple of spans inside the row, i don't think it should matter
Nov 02 23:33:39 * maik checks
Nov 02 23:35:22 <maik> i removed everything and just left:
Nov 02 23:35:25 <maik> <div class="palm-row" x-mojo-tap-highlight="momentary">
Nov 02 23:35:25 <maik>     foo
Nov 02 23:35:25 <maik> </div>
Nov 02 23:35:27 <maik> and it still does it
Nov 02 23:35:33 <dohtem> hmm
Nov 02 23:35:34 <maik> in item template
Nov 02 23:36:17 <dohtem> and your divs are in the order palm-row > palm-row-wrapper > title
Nov 02 23:36:18 <dohtem> ?
Nov 02 23:37:08 <maik> no, that's silly...
Nov 02 23:37:11 * maik shuffles
Nov 02 23:37:27 <dohtem> heh
Nov 02 23:37:41 <maik> *sigh* thanks
Nov 02 23:38:04 <dohtem> let me know if that works..
Nov 02 23:38:33 <maik> it did
Nov 02 23:38:59 <dohtem> cool
Nov 02 23:39:49 <dohtem> heh, I still have this as a comment in my css, "wierd behaviour when  x-mojo-tap-highlight="immediate" is added.  On touch, margin/padding sizes change."
Nov 02 23:40:02 <dohtem> that one bugged me for a while
Nov 02 23:41:23 <maik> heh
Nov 02 23:47:48 <oil> now there is another oil story on that site? lol
Nov 03 00:09:05 <aloysisgee> Can anyone suggest a good book to learn how to develop webOS applications?
Nov 03 00:09:53 <dohtem> Practical Palm Pre webOS Projects by Frank Zammetti
Nov 03 00:10:33 <dohtem> read the introductory chapters then skip right to the sample apps he walks you through.
Nov 03 00:10:58 <aloysisgee> Thanks dohtem
Nov 03 00:11:12 <dohtem> np
Nov 03 00:11:38 <infiniteloop> how about the Palm WebOS book ?
Nov 03 00:12:05 <dohtem> the o'reilly one?
Nov 03 00:12:14 <infiniteloop> yes
Nov 03 00:12:26 <maik> that's a good one as well
Nov 03 00:12:28 <dohtem> I got that from Dev Day but I didn't really like it.  It may work for others tho
Nov 03 00:12:34 <aloysisgee> I hear that book is riddled with errors though... Low ratings on Amazon
Nov 03 00:13:06 <aloysisgee> I keep trying to follow some online tutorials
Nov 03 00:13:12 <aloysisgee> no luck :(
Nov 03 00:14:31 <aloysisgee> Might go to the NY event this month
Nov 03 00:14:35 <SineOt> A lot of the books, from what I've seen... Are kind of outdated.
Nov 03 00:15:03 <SineOt> Even the Practical Palm Pre webOS Projects book got some docks on Amazon for having code that won't run on a 1.4.5 phone, from what I remember. :(
Nov 03 00:15:17 <dohtem> aloysisgee: you should.
Nov 03 00:16:08 <dohtem> SineOt: really?  I have packaged 2 projects from that book that ran just fine.
Nov 03 00:16:56 <dohtem> downloaded the code from Apress.com
Nov 03 00:17:52 <SineOt> okay, looking at it: the O'reilly book was the one that got knocked for having out of date code samples, not this one
Nov 03 00:18:11 <infiniteloop> I stumbled on the sample ref code - thats been a blessing, a better reference than any book
Nov 03 00:19:01 <SineOt> "this book was apparently written for a prerelease version of webOS, and some of the system method names and parameters are different from the actual release. Descriptions other critical methods and properties (such as public Scene Controller properties) are missing altogether."
Nov 03 00:19:50 <torchie> oyoyoy
Nov 03 00:20:53 <aloysisgee> I think that is why that book is outdated
Nov 03 00:20:59 <aloysisgee> I think they came out with another one though
Nov 03 00:35:34 <dohtem> ttyl
Nov 03 01:35:56 <solix> ? which app restores your contacts? 'save/restore' or 'pre backup utility'.. ?  I keep overwriting my contacts, & they end up ALL MiX -matched..
Nov 03 01:36:40 <solix> thanks.
Nov 03 01:39:19 <solix> I'm thinking it the 'save/restore' app.. I just don't want to have to do it all over .Again.. hehe :/
Nov 03 01:57:27 <infiniteloop> woohoo! found out about addClassName and removeClassName
Nov 03 02:02:48 * infiniteloop also found out about 9 patch image
Nov 03 02:15:53 <haeffb> toggleClassName
Nov 03 02:16:05 <infiniteloop> even better
Nov 03 02:17:08 <haeffb> http://www.prototypejs.org/api/element/toggleClassName
Nov 03 02:19:08 <infiniteloop> thanks haeffb
Nov 03 02:30:12 <rsanchez1> more people should start porting regular web apps to webos
Nov 03 02:30:31 <rsanchez1> it took me not even a day to port one of my old web apps
Nov 03 02:54:46 * haeffb has no regular web apps. :(
Nov 03 02:55:39 <Bmyers> poor haeffb
Nov 03 02:55:54 <CTLAdvance> who cares about webapps
Nov 03 02:56:01 <haeffb> hey, how do I transfer a domain from one host to another?
Nov 03 02:56:13 <Bmyers> change the dns
Nov 03 02:56:31 <haeffb> you say that like it's simple
Nov 03 02:56:46 <CTLAdvance> do you mean to go from freedomainshost.com to godaddy?
Nov 03 02:57:00 <CTLAdvance> or just change what is hosting the site
Nov 03 02:57:11 <haeffb> like from yahoo to justhost
Nov 03 02:57:37 <haeffb> domain is registered thru networksolutions
Nov 03 02:57:47 <haeffb> hosted on yahoo and want to move it
Nov 03 02:57:48 <CTLAdvance> and you want it through justhost
Nov 03 02:58:20 <CTLAdvance> yeah just go into your domain name on network solutions and do what bmyers said
Nov 03 02:58:26 <Bmyers> usually you handle that thru the new registrar
Nov 03 02:58:28 <CTLAdvance> change the dns to point at justhost
Nov 03 02:58:37 <halfhalo> Linode ftw
Nov 03 02:58:45 <CTLAdvance> Godaddy owns yopu all
Nov 03 02:58:51 <CTLAdvance> if only I could spell
Nov 03 02:59:02 <CTLAdvance> OIL!
Nov 03 02:59:05 <Bmyers> i do host my stuff at godaddy
Nov 03 02:59:17 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I like godadddy
Nov 03 02:59:24 <halfhalo> Ewwww, godaddy hosting sucks
Nov 03 02:59:37 <CTLAdvance> They dont offer as cheap a package but its uptime and performance is bulletproof
Nov 03 02:59:43 <CTLAdvance> or seems to be
Nov 03 02:59:51 <CTLAdvance> better than the others ive had
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